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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: goldfishboot on May 17, 2022, 02:27:34 PM
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she still took home almost 3 grand
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdqeekVMFBo/
check the tags, too. the comments are mostly pretty great but there's some real stinkers obv
EDIT: broken?
https://imgur.com/a/anGstuK
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Excited to see what an absolute car crash this thread becomes within the hour.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
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I’m guessing she thinks the trans skaters have physical advantages? No one’s stopping her from taking testosterone or HGH and getting absolutely jacked to crush the competition
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How to lose some sponsors and stop getting invited to contests.
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just have an open category. We always had those in surf contests. EZ problem to solve
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Where's all the contest skaters telling me how contest skateboarding was creating a more welcoming environment compared to street skating :o
I like street skateboarding where this shit isn't even a concern. Are you having fun? Are you cool? Awesome. Keep doing it.
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just have an open category. We always had those in surf contests. EZ problem to solve
Or Tampa. This woman is gonna tank her career over losing a contest, which no one should care about anyway, contests are dumb.
Edit- I take it back, this is a smart career move. She’s 27 so obviously going nowhere in skateboarding if this is first I’ve heard of her. But she’s not too old to start selling books to bigots.
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contest skaters lol
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oh hell
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lmao she tagged ben shapiro
and candace owens and that trans woman Blair White who seems to be friends with Alex Jones. GTFO
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https://skatenugg.com/red-bull-cornerstone-2021-full-series-recap/
https://youtu.be/6RXDf7Av9kQ
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
I am happy to hear your story because fuck football so anything that makes people hate it is good. I don’t want my taxes going to that shit.
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There's so many levels of kookness in her post I just cant... whining about coming second in a skate competition "because I should have won"... even that would have been strike one. Add in transfobia, that's already two. But tagging the biggest alt-right/conservative assholes with "please share my story", yeah, you are out.
Yeah skateboarding is for everyone, but you're not invited anymore, sorry.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
This is pretty dumb. Do they not have separate mens and womens events at every contest including the Olympics? I wonder why they don’t just have a free for all and whoever wins it wins it. I wonder how many people would say that’s unfair.
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lol she sour she lost
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
Of course, but if you had a sample of say 5,000 women and men and ran statistics for physicality (height/muscle-density/weight for example) there would be a clear significant difference between the sexes.
Anywho, I don't really care enough to get too far into this.
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Get better at skating, Taylor.
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If they were both in the same video rather than competing against one another there wouldn't be a fucking problem. We could just watch both parts and be like, "that was cool," give everyone a high-5, and fucking move on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPFz8Vnd7F4
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Nora would have bodied that contest regardless of gender, blaming trans people because you fucking suck at skating is insane. She is 27 and still slappies her boardslides and counts dropping in and carving 3 feet below coping as a clip. Its not about gender its about her being a hateful piece of shit. Theres plenty of dudes who suck at skateboarding and theres plenty of women who rip, other than slight difference in vertical jump height theres no observable factors into why a woman and a man couldn’t skate to the same ability both being placed in healthy environments for the same amount of time.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
I guarantee Alexis has a better kickflip than you.
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
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Alexis? Sablone? Oh yeah, she’d fuck my shit up. But anyway.
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lol she sour she lost
Like 6 months after the fact. Her self importance is pretty glaring.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
that isn't true btw
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
that isn't true btw
Perhaps it will eventually get to the point where such transitions are able to able to mimic the average male/female right down to the genome, I may very well be wrong there. But as far as I am aware, it's not yet at that point, but I'm open to being proven wrong.
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Random thought- Rayssa Leal is the best woman contest street skater in the world , trans women included. So I don’t think being trans is a sure way to be the best.
Actually I can’t think of a single trans woman I’d put money on to win against the current group of women skaters. I’m sure someone will come along but it’s definitely not the case right now.
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imagine bitching about getting beat in a contest and then tagging ben shapiro 💀💀💀💀💀
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Soooo are there any women in this thread or on this site who can offer their opinion?
It seems like a woman's opinion is a lot more important than a man's in this situation.
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She needs some wheelbite in the rain.
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Soooo are there any women in this thread or on this site who can offer their opinion?
It seems like a woman's opinion is a lot more important than a man's in this situation.
Sure, she should have tried harder and skated more if she wanted to win.
I peeped her Insta. Her style sucks, her trick selection is wack, and she has absolutely no pop. Makes me selfishly want to enter contests for money. But no, fuck that, that's wack.
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Random thought- Rayssa Leal is the best woman contest street skater in the world , trans women included. So I don’t think being trans is a sure way to be the best.
Actually I can’t think of a single trans woman I’d put money on to win against the current group of women skaters. I’m sure someone will come along but it’s definitely not the case right now.
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This girl sucks at skating and is expecting to win contests. She wouldnt place in the top 20. Shes just a conservative looking for shit to cry about and to get the views.
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Soooo are there any women in this thread or on this site who can offer their opinion?
It seems like a woman's opinion is a lot more important than a man's in this situation.
Sure, she should have tried harder and skated more if she wanted to win.
I peeped her Insta. Her style sucks, her trick selection is wack, and she has absolutely no pop. Makes me selfishly want to enter contests for money. But no, fuck that, that's wack.
Right on, thanks for responding.
I think this is good. For a while there, women have been held to mediocre standards as far as skating goes. It's nice to see that start to change. Bad skating should not be encouraged like it has been in the past few years.
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences. It’s delusional.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdBSHJTjWyz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= crazy to imagine this isnt really contest winning material here. kickflip at the end was insane!
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What about losing to this shredder ?
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences. It’s delusional.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
Ok ok the major problem with your argument is cherry picking like some of the only examples of women in skateboarding. The exceptions you mentioned don’t change the rule so your argument that you allude to (that women were always accepted in skateboarding) doesn’t work.
All money to QTBIPOC imo
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I like skateboarding because competition doesn't mean anything.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CPCOJnXHOtV/
She's the future of female skateboarding. She just needs to stand strong and get those pesky trans cheaters out of her way.
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I like skateboarding because competition doesn't mean anything.
Ha! Try telling that to my brother.
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
You’re contradicting yourself. If women could do anything then why would they have to worry about not being accepted?
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Random thought- Rayssa Leal is the best woman contest street skater in the world , trans women included. So I don’t think being trans is a sure way to be the best.
Actually I can’t think of a single trans woman I’d put money on to win against the current group of women skaters. I’m sure someone will come along but it’s definitely not the case right now.
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Soooo are there any women in this thread or on this site who can offer their opinion?
It seems like a woman's opinion is a lot more important than a man's in this situation.
Sure, she should have tried harder and skated more if she wanted to win.
I peeped her Insta. Her style sucks, her trick selection is wack, and she has absolutely no pop. Makes me selfishly want to enter contests for money. But no, fuck that, that's wack.
Thank you @PuffinMuffin.
Again, mother hugging FAX!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdBSHJTjWyz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= crazy to imagine this isnt really contest winning material here. kickflip at the end was insane!
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences. It’s delusional.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
Thank you. Too rational for Slap.
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Sometimes I love threads like this because I can truly see who's wack and who's chill.
I'll spell it out: Whoever this girl is, she's wack. And whoever is in here supporting her, you're wack.
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So if she had gotten first, would she still be posting all this?
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I like skateboarding because competition doesn't mean anything.
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yeah fuck this transphobic bitch
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences. It’s delusional.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
actually my g it is transphobic. the WOMAN she was competing against won it fair and square. she did tricks that were gnarlier, but it wasn’t like it was out of reach for taylor. i was there. She just didn’t land her shit or do tricks that would be scored as high.
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Nora would have bodied that contest regardless of gender, blaming trans people because you fucking suck at skating is insane. She is 27 and still slappies her boardslides and counts dropping in and carving 3 feet below coping as a clip. Its not about gender its about her being a hateful piece of shit. Theres plenty of dudes who suck at skateboarding and theres plenty of women who rip, other than slight difference in vertical jump height theres no observable factors into why a woman and a man couldn’t skate to the same ability both being placed in healthy environments for the same amount of time.
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Someone’s fishing for a Plan B sponsorship
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences. It’s delusional.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
Ok ok the major problem with your argument is cherry picking like some of the only examples of women in skateboarding. The exceptions you mentioned don’t change the rule so your argument that you allude to (that women were always accepted in skateboarding) doesn’t work.
All money to QTBIPOC imo
+1 on the cherry picking.
That's like saying just because Jackie Robinson played for the Dodgers in 1947 that the country was accepting of integrated sports and that any African American who didn't make it do the majors wasn't working hard enough or didn't want it bad enough. College sports in the South remained segregated until the 1960s.
"If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them." Nah that's on us.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
THIS , if you really wanna argue FAIRNESS, then you cant apply it to sports cause the whole point of competition sports is to Beat the other contenders , the logical solution is divide sports by weight class, and not gender but transphobes don't want to hear that
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences. It’s delusional.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
actually my g it is transphobic. the WOMAN she was competing against won it fair and square. she did tricks that were gnarlier, but it wasn’t like it was out of reach for taylor. i was there. She just didn’t land her shit or do tricks that would be scored as high.
Thanks for clarifying that. Those edits sucked, I couldn't really tell who was who.
My big issue with the whole thing is instead of keeping on skating and getting better for the next one, she has this big baby moment tagging all these conservative media personalities to what? To have them attack the girl that won? Tell their audiences to stop drinking Red Bull? Skateboarding has never been conventional no matter how popular it is now. The people holding the contest can set their own rules or have none at all, regardless of which side of the fence you're on with the topic.
In the description of the youtube video it was presented as, "Red Bull Cornerstone continues to unite the skaters and skate communities of the Midwest, showing love and support for the local parks and local scenes" Seems like they wanted to it to be an inclusive and friendly competition.
She came across as narrow minded and narcissistic in that post and made me side with fucking Red Bull of all things.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
THIS , if you really wanna argue FAIRNESS, then you cant apply it to sports cause the whole point of competition sports is to Beat the other contenders , the logical solution is divide sports by weight class, and not gender but transphobes don't want to hear that
Wasn't going to bother with this thread any longer as it's barely related to skating at this point, but pointing out that the biological sex you are born has an impact on your physical capibilites does not make one a transphobe.
Yeah, in a just and perfect world, a male and female of equivalent height/weight would on average perform equally well athletically, however it's just not the case. How do you think a male vs female boxer of the same weight division would go?
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It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
I'm thinking a lot more about the feelings of the girl that won right now. This 2nd place girl (Taylor) just tagged Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Matt Walsh, and their media outlets with a message directly encouraging them to share her post. If any of these tagged people or their outlets pick this up they're going to make the trans girl's life absolutely miserable to say the least - and just for skating well in a contest that happened almost half a year ago.
This girl Taylor is totally twisted for doing that. I'm really hoping her post dies on her page and doesn't make it anywhere that will cause damage or harm to the girl that won.
Whoever this girl is, she's wack. And whoever is in here supporting her, you're wack.
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Don’t do FUCK ALL during contest runs and maybe you’ll start winning, jock
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I won high ollie contest once, does this mean i'm a contest skater?
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
THIS , if you really wanna argue FAIRNESS, then you cant apply it to sports cause the whole point of competition sports is to Beat the other contenders , the logical solution is divide sports by weight class, and not gender but transphobes don't want to hear that
Wasn't going to bother with this thread any longer as it's barely related to skating at this point, but pointing out that the biological sex you are born has an impact on your physical capibilites does not make one a transphobe.
Yeah, in a just and perfect world, a male and female of equivalent height/weight would on average perform equally well athletically, however it's just not the case. How do you think a male vs female boxer of the same weight division would go?
cause those physical capabilities are not exclusive to ones gender , what you're stating is old and outdated science , we now understand a lot more about gender and sex and there are not that many differences when comparing men and women, there can be super buff women and there can be smaller men, humans come in a variety of shapes sizes colors and we now know, genders and sexes as well
and it would probably go the same as they are going now, if anything it might improve competition and make for some exciting fights, that's if you're really honest about wanting to have fair and competitive sports for both to be true there should be no segregation, and within weight classes skill will prevail regardless of gender
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
THIS , if you really wanna argue FAIRNESS, then you cant apply it to sports cause the whole point of competition sports is to Beat the other contenders , the logical solution is divide sports by weight class, and not gender but transphobes don't want to hear that
Wasn't going to bother with this thread any longer as it's barely related to skating at this point, but pointing out that the biological sex you are born has an impact on your physical capibilites does not make one a transphobe.
Yeah, in a just and perfect world, a male and female of equivalent height/weight would on average perform equally well athletically, however it's just not the case. How do you think a male vs female boxer of the same weight division would go?
cause those physical capabilities are not exclusive to ones gender , what you're stating is old and outdated science , we now understand a lot more about gender and sex and there are not that many differences when comparing men and women, there can be super buff women and there can be smaller men, humans come in a variety of shapes sizes colors and we now know, genders and sexes as well
and it would probably go the same as they are going now, if anything it might improve competition and make for some exciting fights, that's if you're really honest about wanting to have fair and competitive sports for both to be true there should be no segregation, and within weight classes skill will prevail regardless of gender
So males having thicker bone density, lung capacity, adrenaline levels to name just a few variables is no longer the case?
If there are differences in physical capabilities when it comes to genders in other species, what exactly makes humans so special that this wouldn't apply to us too?
Of course there are going to be outliers in both sexes, but they're the exception and not the rule.
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Excited to see what an absolute car crash this thread becomes within the hour.
LOL'ed at this.
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The only thing more cringe than being a competition skater is being a transphobic competition skater.
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In my experience men and women are different both physically and mentally. That said those differences have exceptions and via nature/nurture hormone levels and aptitude can fluctuate during development in both sexes.
Males grow out of females via an extra chromosome.
Hips and shoulders are two good physical examples differentiating men and women (the sexes have a completely different center of gravity).
The best example mentally that may impair women from competing with men in sport is men's seemingly natural ability of perceiving spacial relation (plumb/level/grade/tracking movement/etc).
The brain is rather plastic so anything can be perfected over time (though if second nature generally for one sex to have an advantage, progression may be slowed for the opposite sex).
Hips and shoulders are static so center of gravity will always be a thing.
Also muscle balance and potential to build/maintain muscle differs greatly between sexes (the fact women burn many calories ovulating could have something to do with it).
Just stating my understanding...
With a wide variety of genes, mentalities, drives, experiences and circumstances there will always be exceptions to generalities between sexes (some may be very rare hence gender division historically in sport/competition).
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lmao what a fuckin’ dweeb. scrolling through her posts man she’s dogshit. a zionist to top it all off. mark the calendars babes, KOTY came early
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lmao what a fuckin’ dweeb. scrolling through her posts man she’s dogshit. a zionist to top it all off. mark the calendars babes, KOTY came early
the comments on her instagram are killing me! "This isnt even a $3 run"
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I'm so happy that skateboarding is basicly a contest free activity and most of us don't have a mindset for that.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
THIS , if you really wanna argue FAIRNESS, then you cant apply it to sports cause the whole point of competition sports is to Beat the other contenders , the logical solution is divide sports by weight class, and not gender but transphobes don't want to hear that
Wasn't going to bother with this thread any longer as it's barely related to skating at this point, but pointing out that the biological sex you are born has an impact on your physical capibilites does not make one a transphobe.
Yeah, in a just and perfect world, a male and female of equivalent height/weight would on average perform equally well athletically, however it's just not the case. How do you think a male vs female boxer of the same weight division would go?
cause those physical capabilities are not exclusive to ones gender , what you're stating is old and outdated science , we now understand a lot more about gender and sex and there are not that many differences when comparing men and women, there can be super buff women and there can be smaller men, humans come in a variety of shapes sizes colors and we now know, genders and sexes as well
and it would probably go the same as they are going now, if anything it might improve competition and make for some exciting fights, that's if you're really honest about wanting to have fair and competitive sports for both to be true there should be no segregation, and within weight classes skill will prevail regardless of gender
Good lord what are teaching kids in school these days. Old and outdated science? Make for some exciting fights? Are you fucking kidding me buddy? Skill will prevail regardless of gender within a weight class? The mental gymnastics that you must do to arrive at this are staggering. Kook me all you like, but to think this is anywhere approaching the realities of the human body and how it applies to sports with regards to the different sexes is honestly just nonsensical.
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I'm thinking a lot more about the feelings of the girl that won right now. This 2nd place girl (Taylor) just tagged Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Matt Walsh, and their media outlets with a message directly encouraging them to share her post. If any of these tagged people or their outlets pick this up they're going to make the trans girl's life absolutely miserable to say the least - and just for skating well in a contest that happened almost half a year ago.
This girl Taylor is totally twisted for doing that. I'm really hoping her post dies on her page and doesn't make it anywhere that will cause damage or harm to the girl that won.
Yeah, this is the worst part of the whole thing. Tagging the lowest-of-the-low right wing culture warriors. If they did find interest in the story, the pitchfork mob will follow.
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How is she a contest skater? It looks like she just picked up the hobby a year ago. Clearly there is some decent cash in this for her so it's not all self-styled either. Rather than enjoying those rail flips for what they are she now feels she is not getting her due. Imagine that.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
We've had less than one generation of a period in skating where we have more than a handful of female skaters in the limelight and we already see a little girl is doing kf back smiths like this. I guarantee we are about to see a boom in progression.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdbejMrvUBC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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First- all human shoud have the same equal rights and chances in life. No matter the sex, skin color, passport or birth certificate.
But its obvious that there are different in the sex - me and my wife are different, my daughter and my son are different.
I can't see a problem in being different. This is the diversity of mankind. We are not all the same.
Love the LGBT movement today - its important that no one get discriminated / disadvantaged because of sex, and its a fact that this is the current situation for most of the LGBT humans in 99% of the world today.
Its a pleasure to see skateboarding become more female an more open minded in terms of LGBT community.
Growing up in the 90s in a city with one of the biggest LGBT communities globally - there was just 1 open gay skaterboarder. Rest was in silence / secret - I dont talk about professionals - I talk about free young people living there best life. This is a pity - and this changes slowly today.
About Skateboarding and you ability - you size / weight / power doenst really matter.
15 years old Bastien Salabanzi - was small and tiny - ruling the contest circus - unbeatable.
Rayssa Leal is right now in street contest skating the best female with 14 years and 4 feet something...
I am myself 6 feet and 190pounds - it doenst help my kick flip or 360 flip ability - most of the kids in my town and even some of the girls pop, flick and catch a better one then me.
There is no reason a girl coud not skate similar to a man, and there is no reason a girl / boy wich received a treatment
for gender reassignment have any advantage in a competitions against you.
Skateboarding is 10% feet and 90% mind game. Your advantage in muscle mass and testosterone level doesent matter.
Contest in general is a part of skateboarding - but if you get disappointed by your placement because someone received from the point of view of the judges more points then you - stop going there. Skateboarding Contest shoud be a place to meet people, having a good time and showing off you ability on a skateboard. I never care who won the contest. Can remember only one contest my favorite of the day have "won" the competitions. (Tampa Pro 2011)
Skateboarding is always about competing against your self - not against the skateboarder by your side.
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As a note, it may be good to make sure our criticisms of this person stay within the right framing.
Her pinging dipshits like Benny S. and Candy O. about this is less than ideal and shows a lack of willingness to have a conversation and instead it makes it look like she is trying to instigate some sort of culture war with her local Red Bull contest at the center of things. This poisons the well for sure.
An honest conversation between her and a feminist skateboarder/scholar would be way more interesting. Like, there is no way feminist skaters/scholars (and activists) haven't studied sport, competition, women, and trans athletes in a way that examines biology as well as inclusivity, identity, fairness, and other shit that is relevant.
I think competition is fucking dumb, but that allows me to side-step the controversy within this form of skateboarding, which is being promoted as the "great equalizer" for the jocks in skateboarding.
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
PEGGY OKI WAS LITERALLY A ZBOY IN THE 70s
There was literally a women skateboarding on the cover of LIfe magazine in the 60s.
Did you grow up in the 90s? Because the 90s were very much about women can do anything they want. If women didn’t want to deal with unaccepting people in skateboarding in the 90s then that’s on them. Unaccepting people didn’t stop Cara-Beth from shredding. Amy Caron, Alexis and Vanessa Torres grew up in the 90s and they killed it. Elissa is in one of the biggest video game franchises OF ALL TIME. Not to mention she is part of the PissDrunx who were the coolest mother fuckers for a decade. Acceptance be damned. How many men out there didn’t feel accepted at the skateparks and yet still persevered? How many times have you felt unaccepted at a shop or spot? Did it stop you from skateboarding? How many men skated in their shitty neighborhoods even though skateboarding was a “white boi” past time. Like I said, acceptance be damned.
You can support trans people and understand that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Why act like you’re blind to the differences? Who does that help? It’s not transphobic to recognize the differences.
There’s a reason there are men and women’s contest divisions in sports and skateboarding. They wouldn’t exist if it was an even playing field.
Feel free to kook me. I know you will. (Current rep: 121)
But nothing I said can be disputed.
And yes Every name I dropped has a better kick flip than me. No, that doesn’t devalue what I have said.
It’s baffling why people have to talk shit on the 2nd place girl’s style and trick selection as a way to justify ignoring her feelings.
actually my g it is transphobic. the WOMAN she was competing against won it fair and square. she did tricks that were gnarlier, but it wasn’t like it was out of reach for taylor. i was there. She just didn’t land her shit or do tricks that would be scored as high.
I said it’s not transphobic to recognize the difference in a male body and female body. (I’m leaving gender identity out of this.)
You’re saying it is transphobic.
So it’s transphobic to say a penis is different than a vagina?
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Cant wait for her part in CisWorld Skateboarding's new video "Alt-Right Foot Forward".
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Kook me but there Are physical differences between xx and xy or whatever you Wanna call it.
Its unfair to Trans people and non Trans People. There is no easy Solution to This modern problem but i Hope it gets figured out somehow, otherwise trans people get hate and non Trans people get offended. Everyone loses That way. And everybody loses their Shit about This Topic.
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Bryan Herman.
Life as a Bryan Herman is hard-flipped enough, amen
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Maybe it’s just me being a boomer, but if all this is true (and I honestly also think there will be an explosion in skill in the womens division), we should start not separating between men and women. However at the moment if it would really solely be based on skill the first 50 places would probably be men. Maybe with a few exceptions…
At least nobody could complain then.
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Ron Allen supporting her in the comments. Showing some intense kookiness and acting like he's a victim because people disagree with him
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Love all the kooks on here trying to make skateboarding sound like a sport where phyiscal 'doninance' and inherent genetics have any bearing whatsoever on how good someone can be. Louie Lopez and Nyjah have pencil thin calves. Tyshawn surprisingly scrawny. Shane Oneil a hobit. Dylan had no ass. Reynolds had forrest gump legs growing up. Bryan Herman. Gerths like Jamie Foy are winning Tampa Am while fitness guru Neen Williams is fighting hard just to maintain sponsorship. Steve Caballero was born with sculiosis for fucks sake and he has had the most successful pro shoe of all time AND won Skater of The Century back in 1999.
Skateboarding is a mental game, where pretty much anyone can do just about anything if they want it bad enough. If anything skateboarding selects for a less than athletic body.
Mental game where anyone can do anything they want it bad enough eh. No, just no. This is not how high level athletics works. And yes, skateboarding is an athletic activity regardless of what you think. More nonsense, and you call us kooks. Of course there’s a big mental element to it ,as there is in all sports. But it’s obv a physical activity. Yes there are many body types that can excel at it, similar to most other sports.
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Kook me but there Are physical differences between xx and xy or whatever you Wanna call it.
Its unfair to Trans people and non Trans People. There is no easy Solution to This modern problem but i Hope it gets figured out somehow, otherwise trans people get hate and non Trans people get offended. Everyone loses That way. And everybody loses their Shit about This Topic.
I agree with this.
Also, people are wrong saying skateboarding is just just a mental game just because the average skateboarder is not build like a power lifter, football player, swimmer, etc. Different sports use different muscles.
For a start some should read this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3761733/
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577
All in all those contest situation are not fair to the participant as you already said. In the future there will be more discussions about it, hopefully less heated and more solution-oriented.
Also, that statement of that girl was really embarrassing.
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lmao what a fuckin’ dweeb. scrolling through her posts man she’s dogshit. a zionist to top it all off. mark the calendars babes, KOTY came early
i hAvE bEeN sKaTeBoArDiNg fOr eLEvEn yEaRs
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Judging by her instagram videos, it boggles the mind that she could win $3000 in a contest. And then she whines about it.
She should suck it up, because she is getting a free ride as it is right now. Too bad she canceled herself.
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Judging by her instagram videos, it boggles the mind that she could win $3000 in a contest. And then she whines about it.
Some of the IG comments are too good:
"Imagine posting these wack Todd Falcon mini ramp tricks and then being so mad that you only won $2750 at the last contest that you go full transphobic Karen and demand to speak to the manager of Red Bull."
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I give it 5 years max before this ability of women's skating is completely erased from contest skating as a whole. X-games, Street League and Redbull will recalibrate their scoring system and I doubt this stuff will even be as much of a conversation. Women's skating is so exciting cause it hasn't plateaued yet.
I wish I could win a couple g's by coming 2nd in skate contests by being a beginner in my late 20s. And hey, if someone who'd been skating a lifetime longer than me won, I'd have to take that shit like everyone else.
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This is more offensive than her post about the contest tbh
if runs were 2 minutes she'd take up a third of her time just doing that sick primo stall to rock
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"The trans competitor who won took $1000 dollars in qualifiers, $3000 in finals, and $1000 in best trick. This totaled to $5000 of the prize money meant for the female athletes."
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"The trans competitor who won took $1000 dollars in qualifiers, $3000 in finals, and $1000 in best trick. This totaled to $5000 of the prize money meant for the female athletes."
really typed that out and hard posted
wow
Basically goes to show this is all about money to her. Same with most contest skaters. Nora literally said in her 9club she got more into skating when the idea of it replacing her job became possible. Contests attract the worst people to skateboarding
All contest skaters belong in gitmo strapped to a chair watching Neil blenders duel in Diablo 89 run with dmt being pumped in their veins
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ccvnib9jYwk/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y/
This is more offensive than her post about the contest tbh
When you stop for coffee so long the coffee gets cold
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Kook me but there Are physical differences between xx and xy or whatever you Wanna call it.
Its unfair to Trans people and non Trans People. There is no easy Solution to This modern problem but i Hope it gets figured out somehow, otherwise trans people get hate and non Trans people get offended. Everyone loses That way. And everybody loses their Shit about This Topic.
Fuck 'em
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She's better than me, but her Instagram is fucking awful. No swag, steeze, style. shame she even came 2nd. WACK.
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Nora for the win again. Her comment on the post:
noravexplora
this is disgusting, might want to completely rethink your path skateboarding… maybe it can bring you some compassion and community instead of money and what ever the fuck this terrible attitude you have is…….
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Sorry for the double post but wanted to add a screenshot
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Nora is on a warpath lately and I back it!
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Nora has been speaking dat truth....mad respect to her! I love seeing her stand up to egregious behavior in the skate industry.
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This kind of reaction is pretty inevitable in all sports. Warms my heart that the skate scene these days calls this ignorant shit out so hard. As a skater that came up in the 90's it gives me hope for the future to see how much more positive and open minded our culture has become.
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Nora V Defense League
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lmao she tagged ben shapiro
The first time I read your comment I read it as "ben degros" and laughed, now I'm really laughing.
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Nora coming through
hope this dork learns/grows from this
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Damn Ron Allen went full separate-but-equal segregationist. What an odd look in 2022.
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just have an open category. We always had those in surf contests. EZ problem to solve
Edit- I take it back, this is a smart career move. She’s 27 so obviously going nowhere in skateboarding if this is first I’ve heard of her. But she’s not too old to start selling books to bigots.
Yeah, this was far too cynical of a read. She’s going to have 7.5 minutes of fame in right wing circles for standing up to the “trans agenda” or something, which is nearly always the point of these types of things (and the reason why she tagged Ben fucking Shapino and other reactionary morons).
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If John Devine comments multiple times on your post you've either done something truly spectacular or done truly embarrassing.
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Why the fuck is someone throwing that much prize money at a beer league level skate contest? This Karen should stfu and be happy she somehow made $3k off her nonexistent talent. Also if you're born male and enter women's contests, you're being kind of a self centered asshole, but this really won't be an issue unless women's sports start getting dominated by trans women on pro level which is not likely to happen as there aren't very many trans women
on the flip side Chris Russell brutally going in plainly telling her she sucks, LOL
(https://i.ibb.co/FzQSFBp/IMG-9276.jpg)
Damn, always assumed Chris Russel as some Maga moron
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If John Devine comments multiple times on your post you've either done something truly spectacular or done truly embarrassing.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BhXhW_UH4Rc/?igshid=NWRhNmQxMjQ=
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So did nobody take a screenshot of the post that was obviously going to get deleted once there was any kind of backlash? I’m tryna hate on this transphobic bitch too but idk who it even was lmao
Also shout out the screenshots of Chris Russel and Nora’s comments, get bitter or get better kook.
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how high can u ollie
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Nora V Defense League
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This thread is now about hardcore music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7Bxp1UOJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHeUKeyM8DU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82INGk5-UQQ
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Imagine some dude making a post complaining that Leo took their prize money.
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So did nobody take a screenshot of the post that was obviously going to get deleted once there was any kind of backlash? I’m tryna hate on this transphobic bitch too but idk who it even was lmao
Also shout out the screenshots of Chris Russel and Nora’s comments, get bitter or get better kook.
Screenshot is in the first post..
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"The trans competitor who won took $1000 dollars in qualifiers, $3000 in finals, and $1000 in best trick. This totaled to $5000 of the prize money meant for the female athletes."
really typed that out and hard posted
wow
All contest skaters belong in gitmo strapped to a chair watching Neil blenders duel in Diablo 89 run with dmt being pumped in their veins
To be fair for a very long time the only way a woman could be a professional skater and actually get paid was through contests. I know Marisa dal santo talked about that on the bunt, pretty sure Alexis has brought it up too.
Hopefully we’re getting to a point where women get paid for skating non contests.
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43 guests…WELCOME TO SLAP.
we call out shit and drama in skateboarding like this on the reg. pull up a chair.
also fr 4000 comments on her post of mainly support. That’s fuckin sick. nora and chris russell calling her out. Hell yeah. That’s fuckin sick
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Imagine some dude making a post complaining that Leo took their prize money.
fr my first thought would be “good for leo”
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So did nobody take a screenshot of the post that was obviously going to get deleted once there was any kind of backlash? I’m tryna hate on this transphobic bitch too but idk who it even was lmao
Also shout out the screenshots of Chris Russel and Nora’s comments, get bitter or get better kook.
Screenshot is in the first post..
Ah thank you. I love how she says “I am sick of being bullied into silence” as if that’s not what trans people have been going through for decades lmao
These bigots are fucking delusional
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Taylor Silverman on Daily Wire Skateboards
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CXKQiNaFLnc/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/CXKQiNaFLnc/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
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Women were kept out of skateboarding for years because guys didn't want to share, wonder if skating had been accepting in the 80s and 90s if we wouldn't see women at the level you're describing. *yes I know women have always skated but you know what I mean.
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You guys can’t deny men are superior in skateboarding. Show me a woman that can pop her kick flips like Christian Maalouf or can Ollie like Reese Forbes. You can support the LGBTQIA+ movement while agreeing that there are differences between men and women. Just look at the Olympic scoring for skating. Ask Leo Baker to compete with the actual men at Tampa and we’ll see what’s up. It’s funny that we smashed the patriarchy by allowing men to dominate every single sport, including skateboarding. You know how disrespectful it is to someone like Elisa this crap is?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdbejMrvUBC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Japan and Brazil are gonna blow up. American women gotta catch up
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The people who honestly believe this woman is at the height of women's skateboarding are insane, and frankly insulting.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTukyC_Ld9p/
Fuck you all.
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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
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Imagine some dude making a post complaining that Leo took their prize money.
It’s funny though that all these armchair scientist dudes are like “you see men biologically have more muscles so trans women have an unfair advantage blah blah blah” but in the non-theoretical world probably the best trans skater is Leo, a trans man.
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Nora handled this, it's over
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
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Imagine some dude making a post complaining that Leo took their prize money.
Let's be honest here leo would never win
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Rayssa Leal is really fucking good at skateboarding. Wowee
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Rayssa Leal is really fucking good at skateboarding. Wowee
She is truly the future of women's skateboarding
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This is skateboarding
Free max b
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I personally do my best cyber bullying in the brisk early morning paired with a nice coffee and a pastry or crumpet of some sort.
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I hope that in the next few years competitive skating and "our" skating will part ways and be considered a different sport like longboarding or something like that. theres a fundamental difference in perspective and world view and it almost seems that a lot of those guys\girls that really care about being competitive would not even be skating if it wasnt mainstream and goal oriented. alot of local skaters that started in the last few years remind me of the guys that played football when i was a kid and used to pick on us skaters.
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If John Devine comments multiple times on your post you've either done something truly spectacular or done truly embarrassing.
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At the current level of female skating, how on earth is this lady winning 2nd place in any contest? She totally boned herself, now she’s gonna get $0. Also, right wing bullshit has no place in skating. If you grew up in the 80’s or 90’s conservatives called you a devil worshipper for riding a skateboard. Fuck those people.
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Some of the IG comments are too good:
"Imagine posting these wack Todd Falcon mini ramp tricks and then being so mad that you only won $2750 at the last contest that you go full transphobic Karen and demand to speak to the manager of Red Bull."
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Shhh everybody be quiet, Dwayne McMurray is trying to throw his two cents in.
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i'm a transphobic dork who got banned.
I think you’re in the wrong thread man, we’re talking about a woman entering a woman contest. ain’t no man here.
each one of has our opinions independent of this board, you’re just using that as an excuse to have a transphobic opinion, you bitch ass
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
A. Trans men can and do get pregnant and give birth (I'm guessing you just got the terminology mixed up but lol.)
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
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Of course she posts a photo with israeli flag with caption “home”… sheesh
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chris russell wins 5k for his comment
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Didn’t know we had a fucking debate Andy who deals in the marketplace of ideas over here Jesus fucking christ
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At the current level of female skating, how on earth is this lady winning 2nd place in any contest? She totally boned herself, now she’s gonna get $0. Also, right wing bullshit has no place in skating. If you grew up in the 80’s or 90’s conservatives called you a devil worshipper for riding a skateboard. Fuck those people.
I think while the other women are out there trying hard tricks to get a decent score and bailing some of them, she just does basic tricks that most people learn within a year of skateboarding (including stationary primos and other freestyle stuff kids tend to mess around with). There was a girl in the comments saying her runs were mostly flatground so I'm guessing she technically scores decent because she doesn't fall off the board. I'm speculating though after seeing that tampa run that was posted here, but I feel like I'm not too far off. They probably score it like a street league comp and she plays that to her advantage.
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this girl really is finished. the best part is that nobody even heard of her and so there's like 30,000 people who's only knowledge is that she's a ben shapiro stan kook
That kalamazoo slam clip is amazing. can't ollie two inches and slappy the rest of the way into a boardslide on a street handrail
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Males grow out of females via an extra chromosome.
If one were to have an extra chromosome they would be mentally handicapped. Or dead. Depending on the chromosome.
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What if her and the trans girl were at the same skill level? She’s just a sore loser. Other people commented and said she does the same shit when biological women smoke her too and that she’s called the cops on someone drinking a beer at a skatepark lol
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What if her and the trans girl were at the same skill level? She’s just a sore loser. Other people commented and said she does the same shit when biological women smoke her too and that she’s called the cops on someone drinking a beer at a skatepark lol
This is what we get by welcoming everybody into skateboarding. "Gatekeeping" is much more beneficial than detrimental.
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Random question: if I was stuck in a coma from 8-24 years of age and I woke up and wanted to compete against kids at the age I identified as (8 yo) would you advocate for me?
if you somehow woke up after spending 16 years in a coma you'd probably never walk again. you definitely wouldn't be skating at any sort of competitive level. so sure, compete however you'd like.
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Here's the trick the trans girl won the best trick with @3:47
A no pop nollie big down a barely waist high drop. If you can't beat that then you have no one else to blame but yourself lol
https://youtu.be/6RXDf7Av9kQ
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i don't know if mods are deleting transphobic posts super quickly but i think it would be nice if they let them stay up for a few minutes, if only so we know who to ignore going forward
Yes they are deleting them, but they’re not all transphobic in nature. The posts that I notice are missing were more inquisitive than transphobic.
I don’t think it’s right for mods to control the narrative. SLAP has always been the say what you feel message board and when you take that away it loses what made it special IMO.
I believe in free speech. You gotta take the bad if you want your opinion to be equally heard.
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Im just gonna troll and put this here to lighten the mood on this trans and feminist skateboarding debate.Panic! At the disco was my jam when I was in my emo/scene kid phase
http://youtube.com/shorts/LvyuTuPkh5A?feature=share
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What if her and the trans girl were at the same skill level? She’s just a sore loser. Other people commented and said she does the same shit when biological women smoke her too and that she’s called the cops on someone drinking a beer at a skatepark lol
This is what we get by welcoming everybody into skateboarding. "Gatekeeping" is much more beneficial than detrimental.
I’ve been saying this. Skateboarding is a crime and that’s the way I like it.
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bitch trippin over 5k
sorry but what do you expect from zionists
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
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Congratulations to the winner. More power to you.
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
Thats miss moron to you
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
You, Miss, Must be a moron.
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boom roasted
The classic: lets stereotype all skaters as SoCal skaters
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boom roasted
The classic: lets stereotype all skaters as SoCal skaters
Came here to post a screenshot of that. Either the mods are doing a great job of watching this thread of the maga choads can't figure out how to make a accounts.
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
there's recent research that proves Trans Men can lactate as well https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 so the "BIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES" are not as rigid as we once believed
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The hacker proud boys from virgina are infliltrating skateboarding with their government agenda (at least what I think, given that there was a thread about this a few years ago. Slap Pals, find it for me please, too lazy to dig up old posts) . Thats why you see those kooks here with negative reps or sometimes fake positive reps making this forum boards like lame ass 4chan and the delusional qanon
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 hope this shatters your world view
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I luv Nora.
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 hope this shatters your world view
Its Not about Point A.
Its the other two That Are cringe.
Lets call anyone who disagrees With me a transphobe and shit on other peoples opinion, or even better Sanction them if they dare to voice their opinion on the internet. Be Angry if People Are Different, While demanding That People who are different are beeing accepted how they Are/feel. It seems a bit irational and Hypocrite. But Then what do i know, shes probably 12.
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyways, the girl who posted the original insta message is following 0 people on insta. That’s always felt like some forced clout/self-obsession tip, so I’ll vote that she’s lame outside this scenario altogether.
Another aside: Don’t know shit about the contest scene, but does Lee Baker skate in contests? If so, I’m curious where (m or f), given that he’s probably the most prolific trans skater atm.
At least we can all be happy that none of this shit matters if you’re skating outside of contest settings.
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Its honestly refreshing to see the debate between world views and progressiveness within skateboarding. Lets continue to progressively change the narrative and accept other unbiased opinions that challenge our old-traditional beliefs. Didnt mean to make this some political debate, but thats why this forum exists. To challenge and back up facts and opinions based on personal beliefs and gatekeeping. Skateboarding does need a bit core street/legit gatekeeping as it always been a grassroots and word-of-mouth so-and-so documented this and that in transworld/thrasher/bigbrother/slap mags and videos and photos
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
thats a trans woman lactating, which is significant because it had previously only been cis women or trans men who could, just to clarify because it looks like there was a mix up
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 hope this shatters your world view
Its Not about Point A.
Its the other two That Are cringe.
WTF Makes me a transphobe exactly? Please elaborate. Have People lost their mind Here? Your blind hate pisses me off honestly.
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
Really not trying to take a stand here on the topic of lactating, my point is posting a Twitter link with text or a post in a skateboard forum means nothing.
Recent research shows, “Evidence for use of domperidone to augment lactation is not compelling.”
https://bjgp.org/content/67/662/408
My point here is that if you just go around posting stuff as fact, and then get disproved later, people will ignore you/your argument in its entirety.
Again, not saying the lactating does or does not occur, I don’t care, just saying posting a Twitter link of a video does fuck all. Holds the sane validity as an Alex Jones video about humanoid pigs.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Timcast
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Just found out recently that Tim Pool skates. Or skated at least. Saw an interview from a few weeks ago where he said for the last couple years he's been more into roller blading than skateboarding.
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Lmao who the fuck is Tim Pool
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^ News commentator that just parrots standard right wing talking points on youtube while claiming to be a true 'liberal'
I hate that Tim Pool used to be a competent skateboarder lol. Guess grifting turned out to be far more lucrative.
Love how this chick is just getting absolutely flamed lmao
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'Pros privately complaining about what's going on'.
Nothing is 'going on' besides this tic-tacking delusion on wheels, you opportunistic dork.
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
Really not trying to take a stand here on the topic of lactating, my point is posting a Twitter link with text or a post in a skateboard forum means nothing.
Recent research shows, “Evidence for use of domperidone to augment lactation is not compelling.”
https://bjgp.org/content/67/662/408
My point here is that if you just go around posting stuff as fact, and then get disproved later, people will ignore you/your argument in its entirety.
Again, not saying the lactating does or does not occur, I don’t care, just saying posting a Twitter link of a video does fuck all. Holds the sane validity as an Alex Jones video about humanoid pigs.
Wow, you pulled ONE study out of your asshole which says what you wish, congrats. I've literally been on the drug and lactated even though I wasn't preggo, and it's commonly known to induce lactation. But thank you mister internet man, I guess that wasn't milk coming out of my boobs. It was my stupid broad self drolling on my chest because I'm a woman and therefore in a perpetual state of hysteria. I need a man to explain to me how this didn't actually happen, thank you.
I totally don't care too, even though I just wrote all of this. So that makes two of us totally not caring, because we're both so cool and disaffected.
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
Really not trying to take a stand here on the topic of lactating, my point is posting a Twitter link with text or a post in a skateboard forum means nothing.
Recent research shows, “Evidence for use of domperidone to augment lactation is not compelling.”
https://bjgp.org/content/67/662/408
My point here is that if you just go around posting stuff as fact, and then get disproved later, people will ignore you/your argument in its entirety.
Again, not saying the lactating does or does not occur, I don’t care, just saying posting a Twitter link of a video does fuck all. Holds the sane validity as an Alex Jones video about humanoid pigs.
Initially read this as "Dompierredon"
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She’s a kook but she’s not wrong. We don’t hold women’s skateboarding to the same standards as men’s skateboarding because it would be unfair. Just like every other sport on the planet. Trans women have the same physiology as men and nothing will ever change that. Not hormones. Not surgery. Nothing. Call me transphobic or tell me who has a better kickflip than me (because that’s the only argument any of you have). But at the end of the day her point still stands
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
Really not trying to take a stand here on the topic of lactating, my point is posting a Twitter link with text or a post in a skateboard forum means nothing.
Recent research shows, “Evidence for use of domperidone to augment lactation is not compelling.”
https://bjgp.org/content/67/662/408
My point here is that if you just go around posting stuff as fact, and then get disproved later, people will ignore you/your argument in its entirety.
Again, not saying the lactating does or does not occur, I don’t care, just saying posting a Twitter link of a video does fuck all. Holds the sane validity as an Alex Jones video about humanoid pigs.
Wow, you pulled ONE study out of your asshole which says what you wish, congrats. I've literally been on the drug and lactated even though I wasn't preggo, and it's commonly known to induce lactation. But thank you mister internet man, I guess that wasn't milk coming out of my boobs. It was my stupid broad self drolling on my chest because I'm a woman and therefore in a perpetual state of hysteria. I need a man to explain to me how this didn't actually happen, thank you.
I totally don't care too, even though I just wrote all of this. So that makes two of us totally not caring, because we're both so cool and disaffected.
Maybe your experience is different and you’ve successfully lactated and breastfed kids. That’s great! Or maybe you haven’t. Either is fine.
I don’t care about *the drug* in question. My point is about posting Twitter links as research. The posted link just so happens to be about lactation. Twitter links to images with text is not research and will sway nobody. Someone reading the first result on Google scholar (the link I posted) will just dismiss you for the laziness. My point to the Twitter poster is that they should spend time citing more compelling evidence if their goal is to sway others. Spamming an image in a Twitter post, regardless of the subject of that post, won’t do anything.
I have no idea what you’re on about in the second-half of your response, lol. I’ll say that it definitely doesn’t come off as well-measured emotionally. The study actually doesn’t deny the claim as you seem to think it does, and I’m making zero claims as to the efficacy of (or your response to) the drug. Medical stuff sucks in general, so I sincerely hope you’ve gotten the desired effect from your treatment with zero side-effects.
Not sure what’s going on with your last few sentences there.
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Taylor wouldn’t have her ”problem” if the contest did not take place in a Western country.
Especially if it took place somewhere in the Middle East or China.
Thank goodness we live in the United States, which is more tolerant than most countries.
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do you think a male skater could ever successfully "juwanna mann" a women's skate comp
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do you think a male skater could ever successfully "juwanna mann" a women's skate comp
Ask Jordan Richter, I think he was planning to try. 😂
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Redbull has the golden oppurtunity to stand for something and ban this pos from future contests. Im sick and tired of 15 year olds who are so insecure that they fall into the right wing rabbithole and become edgelords. Free palestine
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Assholes here talkin like Leo Baker could beat Nyjah in street league.
The best woman skater as "Fadinha"..cant touch even the average male skater...its nature.
Its not a transphobic thing...
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Redbull has the golden oppurtunity to stand for something and ban this pos from future contests. Im sick and tired of 15 year olds who are so insecure that they fall into the right wing rabbithole and become edgelords. Free palestine
I don’t know that an LGBT community would fare very well in Palestine.
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Assholes here talkin like Leo Baker could beat Nyjah in street league.
The best woman skater as "Fadinha"..cant touch even the average male skater...its nature.
Its not a transphobic thing...
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It seems like women and men still cannot be inclusive and gender roles still negatively effect society. What happened to including non-binary folks in the picture more and taking an L for a contest, and then practicing more to try and win nextime rather than showing unnecessary sportmanship/sportswomenship? If we are using these pronouns correctly. And I am not being sarcastic, this is truly an issue that is so far-fetched and leads to violence and unnecessary hatred over misunderstood gender and lgtbqia+ concepts
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hey what's up my name is swithflip and here's some of the most willfully ignorant garbage you'll ever read on this website
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hey what's up my name is swithflip and here's some of the most willfully ignorant garbage you'll ever read on this website
To each their own gnarblade
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She is right... she has 10 percent testo of a trans...in sports its a fucking problem.
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Can a man breastfeed?
Google offers John Steinbeck's famous novel as reference to the subject matter but I felt the question needed further emphasis... Can a man breastfeed?
Luckily I found a single scientific article with a plainly worded abstract , click image to follow link
(https://i.postimg.cc/dtgSQpCR/milk.jpg) (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7462406/)
Fascinating stuff despite the controversy here.
Thankfully, Taylor's attempt to publicly press RedBull has incurred the "grapes of wrath" and will find this vintage aged like spoiled milk.
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I thought this article was informative. It's about the swimmer Lia Thomas and her performance pre and post transitioning, and the effects of HRT on someone's body.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lia-thomas-trans-swimmer-data-b2049615.html
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how many of you went skating today?
just curious!
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She is right... she has 10 percent testo of a trans...in sports its a fucking problem.
That is taken out of context. Sometimes transitioning women are still taking tons and tons of estrogen while skating. Id like to see cis men on tons of estrogen and transition women taking all the testosterone supplements and talk all that jazz about testosterone and being defensive. Most cis men and women do not understand the struggles transitioning and openly out and free trans and non-binary humans face
EDIT: The Owner and mods are fucking with my algorithm please regulate and ban all far-right groups from skateboarding please and thank you mods
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how many of you went skating today?
just curious!
I did. It was a lovely morning.
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how many of you went skating today?
just curious!
i was actually going to film a few things at a 12-stair near me, but i had to go to work
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I did. It was a lovely morning.
nice!!!me too!couple shinners because I tried switch Bigflips,but what ever!every day on the board and not only in front of a keyboard is a win!
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how many of you went skating today?
just curious!
Rained all morning, but it has been dry since noon and I'm off at 5. Gotta decide whether to ride or skate, though.
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how many of you went skating today?
just curious!
i was actually going to film a few things at a 12-stair near me, but i had to go to work
Skating a 12 stair before work??holy ...!
I miss being young!
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Ok here's an elegant solution for everyone. People that don't want to compete against trans skaters can have their own 'cissy heats' and then we pelt them with rocks
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She is right... she has 10 percent testo of a trans...in sports its a fucking problem.
then tell me how a little boy whose balls just dropped and has less testosterone and less muscle can compete against a 20 something year old man and still win?
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 hope this shatters your world view
Its Not about Point A.
Its the other two That Are cringe.
Lets call anyone who disagrees With me a transphobe and shit on other peoples opinion, or even better Sanction them if they dare to voice their opinion on the internet. Be Angry if People Are Different, While demanding That People who are different are beeing accepted how they Are/feel. It seems a bit irational and Hypocrite. But Then what do i know, shes probably 12.
you only get called a transphobe when you do transphobic shit, engage with what is being said to you and find allah brother
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyways, the girl who posted the original insta message is following 0 people on insta. That’s always felt like some forced clout/self-obsession tip, so I’ll vote that she’s lame outside this scenario altogether.
Another aside: Don’t know shit about the contest scene, but does Lee Baker skate in contests? If so, I’m curious where (m or f), given that he’s probably the most prolific trans skater atm.
At least we can all be happy that none of this shit matters if you’re skating outside of contest settings.
SPAMMING LMAO, 2 links
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 hope this shatters your world view
Its Not about Point A.
Its the other two That Are cringe.
WTF Makes me a transphobe exactly? Please elaborate. Have People lost their mind Here? Your blind hate pisses me off honestly.
imagine how trans people feel, when you invalidate their existence with your ignorant world view and intolerant rhetoric ?
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
Really not trying to take a stand here on the topic of lactating, my point is posting a Twitter link with text or a post in a skateboard forum means nothing.
Recent research shows, “Evidence for use of domperidone to augment lactation is not compelling.”
https://bjgp.org/content/67/662/408
My point here is that if you just go around posting stuff as fact, and then get disproved later, people will ignore you/your argument in its entirety.
Again, not saying the lactating does or does not occur, I don’t care, just saying posting a Twitter link of a video does fuck all. Holds the sane validity as an Alex Jones video about humanoid pigs.
Wow, you pulled ONE study out of your asshole which says what you wish, congrats. I've literally been on the drug and lactated even though I wasn't preggo, and it's commonly known to induce lactation. But thank you mister internet man, I guess that wasn't milk coming out of my boobs. It was my stupid broad self drolling on my chest because I'm a woman and therefore in a perpetual state of hysteria. I need a man to explain to me how this didn't actually happen, thank you.
I totally don't care too, even though I just wrote all of this. So that makes two of us totally not caring, because we're both so cool and disaffected.
Maybe your experience is different and you’ve successfully lactated and breastfed kids. That’s great! Or maybe you haven’t. Either is fine.
I don’t care about *the drug* in question. My point is about posting Twitter links as research. The posted link just so happens to be about lactation. Twitter links to images with text is not research and will sway nobody. Someone reading the first result on Google scholar (the link I posted) will just dismiss you for the laziness. My point to the Twitter poster is that they should spend time citing more compelling evidence if their goal is to sway others. Spamming an image in a Twitter post, regardless of the subject of that post, won’t do anything.
I have no idea what you’re on about in the second-half of your response, lol. I’ll say that it definitely doesn’t come off as well-measured emotionally. The study actually doesn’t deny the claim as you seem to think it does, and I’m making zero claims as to the efficacy of (or your response to) the drug. Medical stuff sucks in general, so I sincerely hope you’ve gotten the desired effect from your treatment with zero side-effects.
Not sure what’s going on with your last few sentences there.
so your point is only post relevant evidence and research when it backs your POV but not when it goes against yours, and if it's in favor of your argument then it's not ok to scrutinize it got it !
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just curious!
Ended up skating transition because it's just easier.
Also it just occured to me this second-place sourpuss is named Silver Man.
Punny drunk tonight. I'll see myself out.
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She is right... she has 10 percent testo of a trans...in sports its a fucking problem.
except hormone levels fluctuate in person to person and even in moment to moment, some cis men can have high estrogen and some cis women can have high test, it's variable and not exclusive to gender
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
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Will skateboard contests end up having a handicap system like golf? Have small town contests had too low of a skill level allowing inferior skaters to cash in? Should we be sending Rodil Jr to all local contests so that if you want the big bucks/deck the local shop couldn't sell, you have to really earn it? Should all competitors wear full body suits so judges can't tell who is who and no bias can creep in? Skateboarding contests and scoring them is nonsensical from the jump, fairness is not feasible and that is fine. If I was a judge for a best trick contest and the two best tricks were a kickflip down a double set and a double flip down the same set, I'm giving it to the kickflip. All of this is absurd, I just hope the skater that won doesn't end up getting flooded with hate from people who don't really care about skateboarding. Putting someone in the situation where they are potentially in the crosshairs of Ben Shapiro fans is so horrible.
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Ben Shapiro x Weck collab is imminent.
Hope skateboarding is ready for the most epic trolling yet!
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So all this time, Weck was the spammer that bombarded this forum with Marbie and anti-trans threads?
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Lol has weck watched any pro women contests in the last couple years? He’d fucking lose. What an idiot.
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i just want him to go away! :'(
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Holy shit how long has weck had this one in the holster?!
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What I have learned is that I need to start injecting testosterone so I can get better at skating immediately
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
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i just want him to go away! :'(
Seriously fuck that kook
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
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What I have learned is that I need to start injecting testosterone so I can get better at skating immediately
Thats why testo is considered dopping
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Just saw her IG. lol this girl would get stomped by the average 12 year old female skater in Japan. Wanna bitch about losing a contest? try skating better first.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
+1
“Women's and men's skateboarding are scored on the same scale“
https://www.si.com/olympics/2021/07/26/womens-skateboarding-tokyo-olympics-debut-momiji-nishiya
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What I have learned is that I need to start injecting testosterone so I can get better at skating immediately
Thats why testo is considered dopping
Hell if it makes me doper at skateboarding I'm all for it
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What I have learned is that I need to start injecting testosterone so I can get better at skating immediately
Thats why testo is considered dopping
Hell if it makes me doper at skateboarding I'm all for it
Why do you think Nyjila skated so bad in Olympics?! Dopping police.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
Really not trying to take a stand here on the topic of lactating, my point is posting a Twitter link with text or a post in a skateboard forum means nothing.
Recent research shows, “Evidence for use of domperidone to augment lactation is not compelling.”
https://bjgp.org/content/67/662/408
My point here is that if you just go around posting stuff as fact, and then get disproved later, people will ignore you/your argument in its entirety.
Again, not saying the lactating does or does not occur, I don’t care, just saying posting a Twitter link of a video does fuck all. Holds the sane validity as an Alex Jones video about humanoid pigs.
Wow, you pulled ONE study out of your asshole which says what you wish, congrats. I've literally been on the drug and lactated even though I wasn't preggo, and it's commonly known to induce lactation. But thank you mister internet man, I guess that wasn't milk coming out of my boobs. It was my stupid broad self drolling on my chest because I'm a woman and therefore in a perpetual state of hysteria. I need a man to explain to me how this didn't actually happen, thank you.
I totally don't care too, even though I just wrote all of this. So that makes two of us totally not caring, because we're both so cool and disaffected.
Maybe your experience is different and you’ve successfully lactated and breastfed kids. That’s great! Or maybe you haven’t. Either is fine.
I don’t care about *the drug* in question. My point is about posting Twitter links as research. The posted link just so happens to be about lactation. Twitter links to images with text is not research and will sway nobody. Someone reading the first result on Google scholar (the link I posted) will just dismiss you for the laziness. My point to the Twitter poster is that they should spend time citing more compelling evidence if their goal is to sway others. Spamming an image in a Twitter post, regardless of the subject of that post, won’t do anything.
I have no idea what you’re on about in the second-half of your response, lol. I’ll say that it definitely doesn’t come off as well-measured emotionally. The study actually doesn’t deny the claim as you seem to think it does, and I’m making zero claims as to the efficacy of (or your response to) the drug. Medical stuff sucks in general, so I sincerely hope you’ve gotten the desired effect from your treatment with zero side-effects.
Not sure what’s going on with your last few sentences there.
so your point is only post relevant evidence and research when it backs your POV but not when it goes against yours, and if it's in favor of your argument then it's not ok to scrutinize it got it !
What’s my POV? I’ve taken no stance here. I think you’re just misrepresenting things on purpose so you can dismiss them. FWIW fair strategy for a skateboarding message board.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
Did you know that the female contestants at the Olympics asked for scoring to be on the same scale?
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
It’s true for the Olympics, SLS, Dew Tour, X Games, Tampa…
Which contests did you have in mind when you said “You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different?”
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Oh what a POS
Reducing the potentially lifelong struggles of some people to become comfortable in their own skin to "putting on a dress" or "putting on a wig". I really can't fathom this type of ignorance.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
Solution to what?
You're talking as if men transitioning to become high-level women pros is an issue that happens regularly enough that it needs addressing. It isn't.
Since the problem exists only in your mind, the solution can probably be found there as well.
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Wait, weck is a complete and utter piece of shit?
But … but that seems so out of character for him
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What I have learned is that I need to start injecting testosterone so I can get better at skating immediately
Beebs is putting out the best footage now that he is 100% testosterone.
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I’m sure this dude is a complete fuckface, but isn’t this the actual correct response? Don’t like how X runs their Y… make your own Y. There’s the separate issue of what he’d likely use it as a soapbox for, but I mean, sure… go ahead.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
It’s true for the Olympics, SLS, Dew Tour, X Games, Tampa…
Which contests did you have in mind when you said “You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different?”
I think they say the scoring is the same but it still ends up different. It's not a concrete set score per trick etc so what can you do. There was an sls last year momiji did a bigflip front board on a little rail and scored better than men's tricks of similar difficulty on the legit handrail. It is what it is. It's just kinda the vibe of the contest as time goes on and ryassa and yumeka etc do harder and harder tricks the scoring can get more streamline across both divisions
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
Solution to what?
You're talking as if men transitioning to become high-level women pros is an issue that happens regularly enough that it needs addressing. It isn't.
Since the problem exists only in your mind, the solution can probably be found there as well.
It's called a hypothetical and it was related to the idea of having an all-gender heat rather than it being divided. Even granting that the scoring metrics is universal across the board, do you actually think mixing the mens and women would be an even playing field, are you that deluded?
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I’m sure this dude is a complete fuckface, but isn’t this the actual correct response? Don’t like how X runs their Y… make your own Y. There’s the separate issue of what he’d likely use it as a soapbox for, but I mean, sure… go ahead.
I don’t know what your response is supposed to mean. I posted that without any context. My real point was that that sounds lame as fuck.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
no dumbass they're just proving the Point YOU MADE wrong, lmao why are you so dense
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I’m sure this dude is a complete fuckface, but isn’t this the actual correct response? Don’t like how X runs their Y… make your own Y. There’s the separate issue of what he’d likely use it as a soapbox for, but I mean, sure… go ahead.
I don’t know what your response is supposed to mean. I posted that without any context. My real point was that that sounds lame as fuck.
Agreed on the lame as fuck. I guess my expectations for these folks are so low that I was pleasantly surprised when one of them at least talked about some course of action beyond antagonizing trans people or flaming redbull. I’d prefer if they didn’t do any of it, obv, but something other than the usual Karen/victim stance seemed less-worse. That’s all.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
Solution to what?
You're talking as if men transitioning to become high-level women pros is an issue that happens regularly enough that it needs addressing. It isn't.
Since the problem exists only in your mind, the solution can probably be found there as well.
It's called a hypothetical and it was related to the idea of having an all-gender heat rather than it being divided. Even granting that the scoring metrics is universal across the board, do you actually think mixing the mens and women would be an even playing field, are you that deluded?
So you invented a scenario that has never happened and is incredibly unlikely to ever happen to make a point about... mixing mens and womens competitive skateboarding I guess?
I'm not even sure what you're getting at – that if you don't think Nyjah will start identifying as a woman to win women's events, you think mixing divisions – a scenario that no-one is really advocating – will result in an even playing field?
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So aside from the IG reel, does anyone have a link to this Karen’s ‘winning run’? Because if the reel was it holy shit that’s sad. She’s going to be really disappointed when she’s consistently getting smoked by biological women. What will she cry about then? I’m sure she’ll come up with something though, they always do.
So for the trans vs bio reasoning, where does Mar Del stand in this? She ripped way harder than a lot of male pros of the time with a better style too boot. It’s about what you put into it. If you can’t see that then enjoy the view from behind.
Get bitter or get better. Well said Chris.
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
no dumbass they're just proving the Point YOU MADE wrong, lmao why are you so dense
By pointing out one competition where it was explicit that the women would be judged the same as the men?
I didn't actually watch or follow the Olympics, but from what I was reading they asked to be judged the same, so is it fair to assume that they would have scaled the scoring differently otherwise then proving my original assumption?
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The transphobic person has gained 2000+ followers since this topic started. What an utter shit show this world has become.
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how many of you went skating today?
just curious!
I did
I skated at a school with my son, it was fun and a nice time
PS down with transphobia, its lame and skateboarding doesn't need it
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The demand for duane peters boards has skyrocketed overnight
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Slap is amazing. Reverse snowflake-ism. Sounds like a dope trick tho.
I am certain that if Nyjah transitions this would be a different conversation. Hell, Nyjah competing in mens is already a problem because he’s a mutant.
this joke literally proves the point tho, Nyjah is objectively a good skater, so it's fair to assume in an all gender competition he would probably dominate, but not cause he's a cis man but cause he's just the better skater
You are aware that currently, the standards for which men and women are scored in skating is substantially different? If pros such as Nyjah became Nyjala and started competing in the women heats, you would either need to raise the maximum score for runs/tricks or be fine with the fact that she'd be getting constant 10s rendering it almost meaningless were more top male pros were to make such a transition too.
What's your solution to this exactly?
If the gender division were removed from comps, I fear that you would find it would discourage women from even entering.
You’re actually exactly wrong. Currently they are scored the same, and that caused a big controversy at the Olympics cuz the highest score in womens was like a 7 or something. It was probably the #1 topic of discussion regarding womens Olympic skating for weeks, so you must not know what you’re talking about at all.
That's far from being universal across the board, or are you suggesting that the Olympics is the authority on the subject after hosting skateboarding once?
no dumbass they're just proving the Point YOU MADE wrong, lmao why are you so dense
By pointing out one competition where it was explicit that the women would be judged the same as the men?
I didn't actually watch or follow the Olympics, but from what I was reading they asked to be judged the same, so is it fair to assume that they would have scaled the scoring differently otherwise then proving my original assumption?
Prettt sure all the comps leading to the Olympics (SLS, world championships, dew tour, etc) were all scored w the same scale for mens and wonens, so it’s not just Olympics, but I think it was new to the run up to the Olympics. And yes it was at the request of the women competing.
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The transphobic person has gained 2000+ followers since this topic started. What an utter shit show this world has become.
But has she gained sponsors?
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we need a gifted hater video on this
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we need a gifted hater video on this
He doesn't cover anything related to social/political/etc issues.
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Excited to see what an absolute car crash this thread becomes within the hour.
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So for the trans vs bio reasoning, where does Mar Del stand in this?
This ain’t an apple to apple comparison, so I don’t want to put words in our hellvenly saints’ mouth; but, she discussed mixing genders in contests:
Do you think contests should integrate men and women?
Before ever going to one I was like, “Fuck a girl’s contest.” I did think they should be integrated. Then I skated Tampa AM once. It wasn’t even as gnarly as it is today but skating that I thought I sucked compared to these dudes. I’m the blue collar skater who’s super simple. I would kickflip the stairs while everybody was switch tre flipping them.
Will we see a woman who can compete with a man? I would never be flat out, “No.” If I was asked that when I was 19, I would’ve been like, “Fuck yeah! Women can do everything men can do.” Now at 30 I’m beginning to realize I can’t ollie high anymore and I can’t do stuff 30 year-old guys can do. But that’s just me. I don’t want to sound like an asshole, but there’s this bro and testosterone culture. Men are like masochists. They like getting punched in the face and getting hurt. There’s more of a mental barrier in skateboarding with females. Guys have to be macho and can’t be pussies but it’s okay for a girl to be a pussy, so the barrier is set right there. But I’m not in contests anymore so I could kind of care less.
https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/12/05/happened-marisa-dal-santo/comment-page-7/ (https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/12/05/happened-marisa-dal-santo/comment-page-7/)
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Wouldn't be surprised if she goes on Tim Cast IRL next week. Perfect candidate for Pool's grift.
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we need a gifted hater video on this
He doesn't cover anything related to social/political/etc issues.
Isn’t that kinda lame? Wish we had more people who weren’t afraid of stepping outside the middle ground
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we need a gifted hater video on this
He doesn't cover anything related to social/political/etc issues.
Isn’t that kinda lame? Wish we had more people who weren’t afraid of stepping outside the middle ground
Especially when this Tim Pool guy is flexing his “23 years of skateboarding experience” to his 1.29 million subscribers.
And now Clay Travis’ Outkick the Coverage has picked up the story.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Outkick/status/1527117899298652160?cxt=HHwWgICy3e3otLEqAAAA
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clearly there are differences, trans men aren't having babies anytime soon. people need to stop being so quick with the slurs. competitive sports aren't my thing but can empathize with the frustrations of the trans and non-trans athletes here. clearly there's some growing pains for these things to figure out and i don't think either side being dicks is helpful.
B. I don't give a shit what whiny cis people think.
C. The only people being dicks here are transphobes.
You, sir, Must be a moron.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1526773125337305094 hope this shatters your world view
Its Not about Point A.
Its the other two That Are cringe.
WTF Makes me a transphobe exactly? Please elaborate. Have People lost their mind Here? Your blind hate pisses me off honestly.
Where and how do i invalidate their existence? How is my world view ignorant? Do you fuxking know me? Your Brain Must have failed you big Time. :o
let me Tell you one thing: hate does Not lead to good things, whether youre leftwing or rightwing Extremist. Just Look at history. Hope youre old enough soon so That they can teach you some things at School.
For my Own sanity im done With This Thead. And you should take a break aswell, because behaviour like yours does the case for acceptance of trans People no favour. Your emotions (hate) is your Driving force. Reminds me of people on the opposite side of the political spectrum, which is damn sad.
If you wanna live in a Echo chamber where only one opinion is valid Go Join a dictatorship or suck putins Balls. He also likes to call anyone who disagrees With him a nazi while becoming a fascist himself. Just like you Happen to do. Take care.
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Ryan Lay called Tim Pool a loser, so that's cool.
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Ryan Lay called Tim Pool a loser, so that's cool.
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alexis, transsender, arin, and that teenage brazilian girl would absolutely fuck any of our shit up so who the fuck cares
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Check useless wooden knowledge’s stories; you literally cannot make this shit up
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LMAO she really just salty like the ocean
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As G.I.M.S. said above....(posted screen shots for pals that don't use Instagram)
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As G.I.M.S. said above....(posted screen shots for pals that don't use Instagram)
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HAHAHAHAHA this is great. But I'm still wondering. What kinda contests are throwing more than a $1000 at her for barely being able to carve a bowl? Maybe I chose the wrong career path.
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I just woke up from a dream where mid-30s Nyjah transitioned into a woman specifically to beat Sky Brown at the Cariuma Skateboarding Olympics.
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I'd argue that she's not a transphobe. She seems to be just pro-women's-rights and seems to be upset that gender dysphoric man is winning prize money that was allocated for women athletes. It is a controversial topic but she's not arguing against the trans women's right to exist, or insulting her, she's just against her taking money from biological women.
Do you want inequity for women to accommodate trans athletes?
spare us all the "a male on estrogen supplements/ hormone therapy has the same body as a female" nonesense
Look, we've seen how she got second. No unfair advantage made that gold medal no pop nollie bigspin happen. Even if there were a point in principle, and it conceivably could become a thing contest organizers have to grapple with in future, that is clearly not the problem here. This 'girl' (grown woman of 27) is lucky to be humored as a contest skater at all, then goes and calls herself a 'professional athlete' as a pretext to rally alt-right outrage. Deluded at best, though it seems more like a case of bad faith entitlement.
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At least someone put on a show during the event, this girl is laaacking
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Whats the tour Ryan Lay talked about? Sounds dope.
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I'd argue that she's not a transphobe. She seems to be just pro-women's-rights and seems to be upset that gender dysphoric man is winning prize money that was allocated for women athletes. It is a controversial topic but she's not arguing against the trans women's right to exist, or insulting her, she's just against her taking money from biological women.
Do you want inequity for women to accommodate trans athletes?
spare us all the "a male on estrogen supplements/ hormone therapy has the same body as a female" nonesense
She seems to be more of an anyone else but herself phobe with her apparently dogging on other female skaters regardless of whether or not they're trans for winning against her. Fuck, she can't even be bothered to follow a single person on her instagram? Curious if she'll have the gall to show her face at the girls/LGBTQ skate jam in Chicago this year, I just realized she's gone in the past :o. Saw Marbie beat her at that event a few years ago and give the board she won to a little girl. I'd argue she's better at pushing women's skateboarding than Taylor.
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Are these competitions regulated by a governing body? Skateboarding USA? She's due for a blanket ban on entering any competition.
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I think banning would just make anyone who sides with her feel more sure about how they feel. Just let her continue to not be good enough to qualify for anything decent.
As far as them not following anyone on insta, did anyone follow them before their post? Maybe they unfollowed everyone to save them from potential backlash/collateral damage.
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The transphobic person has gained 2000+ followers since this topic started. What an utter shit show this world has become.
I'd argue that she's not a transphobe. She seems to be just pro-women's-rights and seems to be upset that gender dysphoric man is winning prize money that was allocated for women athletes. It is a controversial topic but she's not arguing against the trans women's right to exist, or insulting her, she's just against her taking money from biological women.
Do you want inequity for women to accommodate trans athletes?
spare us all the "a male on estrogen supplements/ hormone therapy has the same body as a female" nonesense
says the transphobe
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When someone said earlier in the thread that this was going to reach full culture war levels, I rolled my eyes. Fucking hell.
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JK Rolling??
More like JK Barely Rolling.
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Just here to say fuck this lady and fuck anyone that supports her. If it wasn’t for this post, she’d still be a nobody. This the most attention she’ll ever get and hopefully once the attention dies down, we can all forget about her and her dumbass views.
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The transphobic person has gained 2000+ followers since this topic started. What an utter shit show this world has become.
I'd argue that she's not a transphobe. She seems to be just pro-women's-rights and seems to be upset that gender dysphoric man is winning prize money that was allocated for women athletes. It is a controversial topic but she's not arguing against the trans women's right to exist, or insulting her, she's just against her taking money from biological women.
Do you want inequity for women to accommodate trans athletes?
spare us all the "a male on estrogen supplements/ hormone therapy has the same body as a female" nonesense
Tagging the most trollish culture warriors would suggest to me that she’s something less than pure of heart. For argument’s sake let’s say she’s not a transphobe. There’s some honest and respectful freedom from vs freedom to debate to be had in there somewhere (though this seems like a bad test case for it). The next most obvious explanation is that she’s just a competitive person (“person who likes to win” might be more apt if we’re being honest) and she wants to take measures to maximize the chances of her winning. And marginalizing (in the most non-pejorative sense of the word) trans people works towards that end. Maybe she’d happily session the park with them, lend a skate tool, or go out for ice cream afterwards. But when there’s money on the line… things are different. I’d be willing to bet that some percentage of the Ben Shapiros of the world are not transphobic, or racist, xenophobic, or whatever… but they are mediocre talents who’ve found a lucrative niche tossing other people under the bus for money and status. And with no moral compass they’ll do whatever it takes to keep it going. It’s the same path and the same outcome, and really, which is worse: actually believing it or being a mercenary? I’m honestly not sure. My point being, labeling or not labeling someone a “transphobe” is less productive than saying they’re doing some transphobic shit regardless of their intent.
Maybe this woman needs to be more open hearted and accepting like the vast majority of other folks in womens comps? Maybe Mens contest skaters need to be more open hearted and cool? Maybe marginalization and oppression, like skateboarding, aren’t things that are well suited to being scored and turned into a competition?
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
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i've got a bulletin for you...wrestling is not a team sport...when you're out there on the mat with another guy who is quicker and faster than you, there's not a whole hell of a lot a team can do for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXxUZW6GtkE
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
Don't get me wrong I think Silver Man is a salty transphobe but... why shouldn't one ask questions here? It's not even heated at all, unless I'm reading the room poorly.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
to be fair all he did is bring up some reasonable questions that nobody here has been able answer with out lashing out negatively and emotionally
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As G.I.M.S. said above....(posted screen shots for pals that don't use Instagram)
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imagine placing in a contest and being given a natural ply blank skateboard deck as a prize
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I saw a reply that said the woman who won Was a child. Specifically “half her age” don’t out the winner, because so far in haven’t seen the winner tagged, but is it true?
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
I agree. My wife and I had a nice discussion about this last night. The best word to describe how I feel about this is conflicted. Ultimately, I believe Taylor Silverman is in the right. Maybe her tagging of a potential lynch mob of transphobic people was a little over the top but I’m sure her emotions were running high.
I am trying to put this in the context of history. Even today, women are fighting for equal pay for equal work. They only got the right to vote across the whole United States in 1920. The proper way to introduce a married couple is still “Mr and Mrs. Insert-man’s-name-here”.
I wonder how the 1st place winner feels.
I (we?) would LOVE to hear from a transitioned woman about how they feel about this situation.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
to be fair all he did is bring up some reasonable questions that nobody here has been able answer with out lashing out negatively and emotionally
That's my point. He won't get the answers he seeks here, especially since some of them are highly unlikely hypotheticals that aren't relevant to the topic at hand, which is that a woman complained about another women being better than her in a contest.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
to be fair all he did is bring up some reasonable questions that nobody here has been able answer with out lashing out negatively and emotionally
I think Alan's response was pretty solid. The narrative around trans women competing in sports is pretty much entirely driven by right wing outrage, so stepping back and learning more about trans people's experiences in a less biased environment is definitely going to be more helpful than trying to put figure it out from a thread like this. The questions like "what if a man just registers as a woman to win" are baseless hypotheticals used to justify discrimination against trans people.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
to be fair all he did is bring up some reasonable questions that nobody here has been able answer with out lashing out negatively and emotionally
That's my point. He won't get the answers he seeks here, especially since some of them are highly unlikely hypotheticals that aren't relevant to the topic at hand, which is that a woman complained about another women being better than her in a contest.
“Answers” is an optimistic-bordering-on-impossible outcome for this issue in any venue. My reading of Sleazy’s comment was an attempt to change the tenor of the conversation to something more productive and rooted in good faith. I’m all for that. I get what you’re saying… that this is a “heated” discussion and generally rough and tumble format to have it in… but why does it have to be?
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I think banning would just make anyone who sides with her feel more sure about how they feel. Just let her continue to not be good enough to qualify for anything decent.
As far as them not following anyone on insta, did anyone follow them before their post? Maybe they unfollowed everyone to save them from potential backlash/collateral damage.
i followed her a few months ago and she wasn’t following anyone
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ok. so anyone who asks questions is driven by 'right wing outrage'
you realize how insane that is?
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Alan is correct.
The topic really isn't about "trans women in contests", especially when those arguments aren't in good faith at all. It's about a skateboarder complaining about losing a competition and calling all the worst shit heels to go after and harass another, marginalized, skateboarder and the people who organized the competition, so she would have her moment.
The fact that the person who won, is a trans woman and the way she presented herself and the words she used in her post, shows that she isn't acting because of "equality in contest" but from a point of hate, discrimination and prejudice.
The fact a dumb ass like Tim Poo is batting for her, shows she's not on the right side of things. And shit like that doesn't have a place in skateboarding.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
I agree. My wife and I had a nice discussion about this last night. The best word to describe how I feel about this is conflicted. Ultimately, I believe Taylor Silverman is in the right. Maybe her tagging of a potential lynch mob of transphobic people was a little over the top but I’m sure her emotions were running high.
I am trying to put this in the context of history. Even today, women are fighting for equal pay for equal work. They only got the right to vote across the whole United States in 1920. The proper way to introduce a married couple is still “Mr and Mrs. Insert-man’s-name-here”.
I wonder how the 1st place winner feels.
I (we?) would LOVE to hear from a transitioned woman about how they feel about this situation. For now, I’ll leave it at congratulations to Taylor Silverman on her 1st place win in the women’s competition.
no she isn't. she's a subpar skateboarder who's complaining that she only won $3k six months after the fact and attempting to create a controversy and go viral as a means to springboard a career as a reactionary. multiple people who seem to know her, or have experience with her, or judged the contest, have pointed out that she's been a sore loser in the past; that she's competed (and placed) in men's competitions and didn't seem to find any issue with that; and that the first place winner in this particular contest deserved the win. the fact that taylor tagged some of the most notorious talking heads on the far right should be an indication to everyone here that none of this is being approached or treated in good faith, and beyond the "politics" of this whole mess, demanding "acknowledgement for your win" is some of the absolute wackest shit imaginable - the kind of stuff austin seaholm got blacklisted for almost two decades ago. and anyone who's defending her, and by proxy all of this nonsense, is outing themselves as, at best, ignorant (but not beyond help or learning), and at worse, a bigot who should be ostracized from skateboarding going forward
"congratulations to Taylor Silverman on her 1st place win in the women’s competition" get the fuck outta here
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
I agree. My wife and I had a nice discussion about this last night. The best word to describe how I feel about this is conflicted. Ultimately, I believe Taylor Silverman is in the right. Maybe her tagging of a potential lynch mob of transphobic people was a little over the top but I’m sure her emotions were running high.
I am trying to put this in the context of history. Even today, women are fighting for equal pay for equal work. They only got the right to vote across the whole United States in 1920. The proper way to introduce a married couple is still “Mr and Mrs. Insert-man’s-name-here”.
I wonder how the 1st place winner feels.
I (we?) would LOVE to hear from a transitioned woman about how they feel about this situation. For now, I’ll leave it at congratulations to Taylor Silverman on her 1st place win in the women’s competition.
Trans woman here to kindly say your post sucks.
Tagging a bunch of reactionary media figures will at best lead to the winner being harassed, and has a real likelihood of inciting violence against her/other trans skaters.
Taylor competed against a better skater and lost, shit happens. By saying she's the real 1st place winner, you're denying that trans women are actually women (yes this is transphobic).
Can you explain the stuff you added for historical context? I fail to see its relevance to this
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ok. so anyone who asks questions is driven by 'right wing outrage'
you realize how insane that is?
That literally isn't what I said but go off ig
All the furor around trans women participating in sports isn't actually based in reality. There isn't some fucking agenda where we transition to dunk on cis women for money or glory or whatever. If your questions around trans identities are focused on whether or not it's acceptable for them to compete in women's sports, you are literally regurgitating reactionary talking points
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
to be fair all he did is bring up some reasonable questions that nobody here has been able answer with out lashing out negatively and emotionally
I do see what you and Alan are saying. Although you just gave a valid answer, so things seem to be working. But I guess a good faith discussion is more than this thing merits, seeing as it was born out of blatant bigotry.
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ok. so anyone who asks questions is driven by 'right wing outrage'
you realize how insane that is?
All the furor around trans women participating in sports isn't actually based in reality. There isn't some fucking agenda where we transition to dunk on cis women for money or glory or whatever. If your questions around trans identities are focused on whether or not it's acceptable for them to compete in women's sports, you are literally regurgitating reactionary talking points
i did not give you an opinion about anyone or the issue even
did this really happen or not? how is it not based in reality?
using logic to express curiosity about something is not a 'reactionary talking point'
just be nice to people it'll work better
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Imagine being a skateboarder who has only received any form of recognition for being a transphobic, bigoted, piece of shit. Instead of coverage in a core publication, you get coverage by republican news outlets. That is fucking embarrassing.
@NotTheCars Ive gnarred you and some other pals need to gnar you as well. Huge shout out to you.
In no fucking way is Taylor in the right. @dofrenzy you’re better than this, or at least I thought you were.
It is transphobic to deny the accomplishments of trans women. Period. Point blank.
It also bears noting that no amount of TERF rhetoric makes this any less transphobic or misogynistic. All her message accomplishes is reinforcing the patriarchal thought process that women aren’t as talented or athletically gifted. Which is absolute horse shit.
She tried to get Ben Shapiro’s attention. That should tell you the whole fucking story.
Trans women are women, and if you’re against trans rights, you’re against women’s rights. End of story.
She is a transphobic, sore loser.
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Alan is correct.
The topic really isn't about "trans women in contests", especially when those arguments aren't in good faith at all. It's about a skateboarder complaining about losing a competition and calling all the worst shit heels to go after and harass another, marginalized, skateboarder and the people who organized the competition, so she would have her moment.
The fact that the person who won, is a trans woman and the way she presented herself and the words she used in her post, shows that she isn't acting because of "equality in contest" but from a point of hate, discrimination and prejudice.
The fact a dumb ass like Tim Poo is batting for her, shows she's not on the right side of things. And shit like that doesn't have a place in skateboarding.
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Imagine being a skateboarder who has only received any form of recognition for being a transphobic, bigoted, peace of shit. Instead of coverage in a core publication, you get coverage by republican news outlets. That is fucking embarrassing.
@NotTheCars Ive gnarred you and some other pals need to gnar you as well. Huge shout out to you.
In no fucking way is Taylor in the right.
It is transphobic to deny the accomplishments of trans women. Period. Point blank.
It also bears noting that no amount of TERF rhetoric makes this any less transphobic or misogynistic. All her accomplishes is reinforcing the patriarchal thought process that women aren’t as talented or athletically gifted. Which is absolute horse shit.
She tried to get Ben Shapiro’s attention. That should tell you the whole fucking story.
If you’re against trans rights, you’re against women’s right. Period.
She is a transphobic, sore loser.
If you're a skater and you're trying to get Tim pool or Ben Shapiro to retweet your lame anti Trans crusade, then you are a total loser. Roller backpack energy to the max
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
I agree. My wife and I had a nice discussion about this last night. The best word to describe how I feel about this is conflicted. Ultimately, I believe Taylor Silverman is in the right. Maybe her tagging of a potential lynch mob of transphobic people was a little over the top but I’m sure her emotions were running high.
I am trying to put this in the context of history. Even today, women are fighting for equal pay for equal work. They only got the right to vote across the whole United States in 1920. The proper way to introduce a married couple is still “Mr and Mrs. Insert-man’s-name-here”.
I wonder how the 1st place winner feels.
I (we?) would LOVE to hear from a transitioned woman about how they feel about this situation.
just having a hard time understanding , so let me get this straight
all these women knowingly, and willingly entered the contest, right?
they were aware of who their competitors are, right?
the moment the contest started, everyone there accepted whatever the outcome was
bitching, moaning, trying to get your way after the fact is just ignorant and immature
taylor being transphobic is icing on the cake
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ok. so anyone who asks questions is driven by 'right wing outrage'
you realize how insane that is?
All the furor around trans women participating in sports isn't actually based in reality. There isn't some fucking agenda where we transition to dunk on cis women for money or glory or whatever. If your questions around trans identities are focused on whether or not it's acceptable for them to compete in women's sports, you are literally regurgitating reactionary talking points
i did not give you an opinion about anyone or the issue even
did this really happen or not? how is it not based in reality?
using logic to express curiosity about something is not a 'reactionary talking point'
just be nice to people it'll work better
Don’t tell a trans person to be nice. Just by existing they’re subjected to relentless violence and declared an enemy by the the vast majority of the population, they have every right to be angry.
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entitlement is truly the worst attitude one can have. everybody likes to bring up that #hellride jake phelps quote about it, and while its far too overused, it pertains to this situation
believing that skateboarding owes you anything, let alone money is kooky to start
putting down the person who rightfully beat you, desperately clinging to the hope you'll be the right-wing talking heads media darling for a couple hours is pathetic
previous stories about this person, such as calling the police to the skatepark on somebody drinking a beer, or bullying other girls within their skate scene show an aggressively privileged, cruel and out-of-touch mindset.
TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
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Would having a trans/gender fluid bracket that skaters could enter prevent all arguments here?
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Would having a trans/gender fluid bracket that skaters could enter prevent all arguments here?
Only as much as separate but equal solved this country’s racial issues. ;)
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Would having a trans/gender fluid bracket that skaters could enter prevent all arguments here?
Why not just separate contests based on sex and not gender? Anyways contest skating is reetarded . Who cares
Because to do so would further alienate trans athletes. Trans men are men. Trans women are women. And should be treated as such.
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ok. so anyone who asks questions is driven by 'right wing outrage'
you realize how insane that is?
All the furor around trans women participating in sports isn't actually based in reality. There isn't some fucking agenda where we transition to dunk on cis women for money or glory or whatever. If your questions around trans identities are focused on whether or not it's acceptable for them to compete in women's sports, you are literally regurgitating reactionary talking points
i did not give you an opinion about anyone or the issue even
did this really happen or not? how is it not based in reality?
using logic to express curiosity about something is not a 'reactionary talking point'
just be nice to people it'll work better
Don’t tell a trans person to be nice. Just by existing they’re subjected to relentless violence and declared an enemy by the the vast majority of the population, they have every right to be angry.
angry at me? for what?
i accept all people of different identities/race/gender and never gave a stance on this issue
so i am not sure how to respond
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As G.I.M.S. said above....(posted screen shots for pals that don't use Instagram)
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She placed second in a MEN'S contest. She called the cops on people drinking at her local. She's transphobic. She vibes out other women who skate. She's a contest skater yet she can't ollie up a curb. She tagged alt-right assholes with an "outrage" story.
No one on SLAP is actually going to bat for her. It's a ruse. They get off on enforcing the status quo because they themselves haven't accomplished anything in life.
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As G.I.M.S. said above....(posted screen shots for pals that don't use Instagram)
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She placed second in a MEN'S contest. She called the cops on people drinking at her local. She's transphobic. She vibes out other women who skate. She's a contest skater yet she can't ollie up a curb. She tagged alt-right assholes with an "outrage" story.
No one on SLAP is actually going to bat for her. It's a ruse. They get off on enforcing the status quo because they themselves haven't accomplished anything in life.
Wouui thats change my opinion about it. She really sucks.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
I agree. My wife and I had a nice discussion about this last night. The best word to describe how I feel about this is conflicted. Ultimately, I believe Taylor Silverman is in the right. Maybe her tagging of a potential lynch mob of transphobic people was a little over the top but I’m sure her emotions were running high.
I am trying to put this in the context of history. Even today, women are fighting for equal pay for equal work. They only got the right to vote across the whole United States in 1920. The proper way to introduce a married couple is still “Mr and Mrs. Insert-man’s-name-here”.
I wonder how the 1st place winner feels.
I (we?) would LOVE to hear from a transitioned woman about how they feel about this situation. For now, I’ll leave it at congratulations to Taylor Silverman on her 1st place win in the women’s competition.
Trans woman here to kindly say your post sucks.
Tagging a bunch of reactionary media figures will at best lead to the winner being harassed, and has a real likelihood of inciting violence against her/other trans skaters.
Taylor competed against a better skater and lost, shit happens. By saying she's the real 1st place winner, you're denying that trans women are actually women (yes this is transphobic).
Can you explain the stuff you added for historical context? I fail to see its relevance to this
I appreciate your response. I get it about the tagging of reactionary media figures and addressed it in my post. I am NOT going to pretend I have the right opinion or that I am “right”. I am simply participating in the conversation
I see you quoted my bit about congratulating Taylor for first place. That was inappropriate and I removed the comment before you posted your reply but you got to it first.
I have to admit that I don’t understand the word “woman”, so I looked it up in the dictionary (Merriam-Webster).I hope we can ALL appreciate that our languages are filled with gender bias and we probably do not have the correct terms to deal with this properly, but Since you stated that I am “denying that trans women are actually women” I looked it up. Let’s keep it simple. We’ll use the first definition in the dictionary:
noun
wom·an | \ ˈwu̇-mən , especially Southern ˈwō- , or ˈwə- \
plural women \ ˈwi-mən \
Definition
1a : an adult female person
adjective
fe·male | \ ˈfē-ˌmāl \
Definition (Entry 1 of 2)
1a(1) : of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs
So no, according to these definitions I think we can all agree that a trans woman is not a woman, unless of course I am missing something about transitioning that allows a a trans woman to produce eggs and carry babies.
But as I said, we are limited here by gender biased language and the fact that the word “woman” has multiple definitions, we could just use other definitions of the same word:
Woman
3 : distinctively feminine nature
Female
b : having a gender identity that is the opposite of male
So yes, according to these definitions I think we can all agree that a trans woman is a woman.
So, it seems our language has not evolved, except maybe by adding “different” definitions for the same word. I doubt that a 1950s dictionary said that a female is someone who identifies as a female.
So here we are, bound by language and gender bias. There is also the idea that there are more than 2 genders but we still are stuck with “man” and “woman” for the most part.
Also, please, accept my apology if I offended you in any way. I am still learning and I try to be compassionate and understanding as much as possible, but I also suffer from bias that has been programmed in me by society and language; this thread has certainly educated me a bit more.
Regarding historical context, women egg-bearing humans have been fighting for rights (not just equal rights, but also human rights) for….well forever it seems. My position is simply that it is unfair IF an egg-bearing individual enters a contest called “a contest for egg-bearers” and loses to a non-egg-bearing contestant.
But that is clearly not the case here; it was a women’s contest, and all the contestants were indeed women, so I concede that I am ultimately in the wrong here.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
I agree. My wife and I had a nice discussion about this last night. The best word to describe how I feel about this is conflicted. Ultimately, I believe Taylor Silverman is in the right. Maybe her tagging of a potential lynch mob of transphobic people was a little over the top but I’m sure her emotions were running high.
I am trying to put this in the context of history. Even today, women are fighting for equal pay for equal work. They only got the right to vote across the whole United States in 1920. The proper way to introduce a married couple is still “Mr and Mrs. Insert-man’s-name-here”.
I wonder how the 1st place winner feels.
I (we?) would LOVE to hear from a transitioned woman about how they feel about this situation. For now, I’ll leave it at congratulations to Taylor Silverman on her 1st place win in the women’s competition.
"congratulations to Taylor Silverman on her 1st place win in the women’s competition" get the fuck outta here
Thank you for the added context. I guess I got stuck on “women’s competition” and I regret saying that Taylor was “in the right”, but I also believe there is some validity to her claim. However, that validity was erased by her response (the specifics about this singular person are appalling and I neglected to drill down into the complete story).
I believe that I am not beyond help or learning, so hopefully you will still have me.
Edit - what the fuck, I’ll be that person (see I changed my first choice of word “guy” to “person”….we are truly limited by our language)…..anyway, my brother is a trans man, on T, double mastectomy, etc. I support all genders and gender identities and feel that the language we use needs to evolve beyond “man” and “woman”.
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dumb bitch
learn how to ollie and maybe you wont get dusted
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As G.I.M.S. said above....(posted screen shots for pals that don't use Instagram)
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She placed second in a MEN'S contest. She called the cops on people drinking at her local. She's transphobic. She vibes out other women who skate. She's a contest skater yet she can't ollie up a curb. She tagged alt-right assholes with an "outrage" story.
No one on SLAP is actually going to bat for her. It's a ruse. They get off on enforcing the status quo because they themselves haven't accomplished anything in life.
My local park, which is right next to a playground, is running out of warnings for cuntbags drinking and smoking at the skatepark despite many signs. Fuck them.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
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the skatepark is a designated misdemeanor zone
accept it, most cities have.
i’m going to smoke pcp somewhere publicly cause it sets off the alarms in my apartment, i might as well smoke it in this converted roller hockey rink and get to skate at the same time. i pay taxes too
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Whats the tour Ryan Lay talked about? Sounds dope.
The world of "contest skating" is profoundly strange to me.
Probably the NHS Roll of Their Own tour in the Pacific Northwest.
Nora, Marbie, Nicole Hause, Fabiana Delfino, Breana Geering, Samarria, Poe Pinson, Minna Stess, Suzy Heath and others. The PDX event was awesome. Very positive vibes with lots of younger skaters of all types.
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Imagine trying to call the manager of skateboarding because another woman is better at skateboarding than you, but instead you get the bald stock boy who listens to Joe rogan and low key smokes 2cb in the walk in fridge
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However you feel about this, one thing about skateboarding is we generally keep this shit in house , and have these discussion amongst ourselves. Corey Duffel N Word drama, Jason Jesse, Johan Stuckey, SF rape culture, etc. We kept that shit in house. Trying to reach out to right-wing outlets to bring unwarranted voices in the conversation from people who don’t know shit about skateboarding, don’t give a shit about skateboarding. and are arguing in bad faith is incredibly scummy behavior. This is shit that should get you permanently kooked in skateboarding, and any company that sponsors her after this should hold that L as well, but going by her shitty footage, I’m sure we don’t have to worry about her getting any legit sponsors.
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Whats the tour Ryan Lay talked about? Sounds dope.
The world of "contest skating" is profoundly strange to me.
Nora, Marbie, Nicole Hause, Fabiana Delfino, Breana Geering, Samarria, Poe Pinson, Minna Stess, Suzy Heath and others. The PDX event was awesome. Very positive vibes with lots of younger skaters of all types.
Nora and loads of them were posting about it on Instagram over the last week or so. Plus there is this, isn't the girl in question based in Michigan?
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Yeah, this is turning out to be obvious that this is some grifter shit that she planned and hoped would go viral (seems to be working, unfortunately)
Don’t get down on the negative comments, she’s being exposed as a dishonest moron, and exposing all the other idiots that agree with her.
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However you feel about this, one thing about skateboarding is we generally keep this shit in house , and have these discussion amongst ourselves. Corey Duffel N Word drama, Jason Jesse, Johan Stuckey, SF rape culture, etc. We kept that shit in house. Trying to reach out to right-wing outlets to bring unwarranted voices in the conversation from people who don’t know shit about skateboarding, don’t give a shit about skateboarding. and are arguing in bad faith is incredibly scummy behavior. This is shit that should get you permanently kooked in skateboarding, and any company that sponsors her after this should hold that L as well, but going by her shitty footage, I’m sure we don’t have to worry about her getting any legit sponsors.
This
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…I’m sure we don’t have to worry about her getting any legit sponsors.
On Colours Collectiv: confirmed.
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She tried to get Ben Shapiro’s attention. That should tell you the whole fucking story.
If you're a skater and you're trying to get Tim pool or Ben Shapiro to retweet your lame anti Trans crusade, then you are a total loser. Roller backpack energy to the max
this
EDIT also if I were her and saw weckingball's washed up ass supporting me in any way, I would take that as a very bad sign. literal 8th grade bully that never grew out of it. dude stands for absolutely nothing except things that will get him attention. basically if ben shapiro and weck are in your imaginary corner... it's time to think long and hard about your choices
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
This is a really commendable response, and I appreciate your willingness to listen to our points of view. It can be difficult and painful to examine our thoughts and biases the way you are, and I'm glad you're taking it to heart.
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147k subscribers…
https://youtu.be/wugUi-CeC5Q
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This is one of the biggest bummers in skateboarding in a long time. Her mass tagging of right wing mouth pieces and outlets is one of the most hateful, disingenuous and opportunistic things I've ever seen in this craft. It's cruel and shows an utter lack of compassion, because this sort of shit could cause serious harm to the person who bested her at that contest. This thread has been full of assholes but also a lot of support for trans people, proof of how much change still needs to come.
Anyways, this girl sucks at skating and I have never been one to say anyone sucks at skating, to be honest. She can't even scratch coping in a bowl, her kickflips are mobbed, and all she does is backside boardslides. All of this is truly besides the point however, which is that her heart is empty and corrupted.
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147k subscribers…
https://youtu.be/wugUi-CeC5Q
I hope this stupid shit doesn’t make FOX or I’ll have to have this dumbass conversation with my in-laws
Edit- like Bigeskatefase said- keep this shit in-house. Nothing more annoying than trying to explain a skate controversy to outsiders who already have an opinion despite not knowing anything
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This is one of the biggest bummers in skateboarding in a long time. Her mass tagging of right wing mouth pieces and outlets is one of the most hateful, disingenuous and opportunistic things I've ever seen in this craft. It's cruel and shows an utter lack of compassion, because this sort of shit could cause serious harm to the person who bested her at that contest. This thread has been full of assholes but also a lot of support for trans people, proof of how much change still needs to come.
Anyways, this girl sucks at skating and I have never been one to say anyone sucks at skating, to be honest. She can't even scratch coping in a bowl, her kickflips are mobbed, and all she does is backside boardslides. All of this is truly besides the point however, which is that her heart is empty and corrupted.
seriously. i don’t think i’ve been this angry about something in skateboarding in years
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147k subscribers…
https://youtu.be/wugUi-CeC5Q
Can't wait for all the videos of burning Red Bull cans.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
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sorry...had to look. Here we have the fine white supremacist specimen. The Punisher and American flag appropriations are the tell tale sings.
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More like Grifted Skater, amiright?
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one of the funniest things about Tim Pool picking up this pathetic transphobe's whining tirade is that she didn't even consider him to be a relevant enough right-wing commentator to tag him in the first place but he's the only one who actually responded lol fucking losers, both of them
went and checked out the girl who won's IG. she gets rad in the streets. Taylor should take some notes
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Gotta say these have been a big and validating two days for the “skateboarding is not a sport” and contest-hating crowd.
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
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1:53 and 49:32
https://youtu.be/2njANNOP_X4
one of the funniest things about Tim Pool picking up this pathetic transphobe's whining tirade is that she didn't even consider him to be a relevant enough right-wing commentator to tag him in the first place but he's the only one who actually responded lol fucking losers, both of them
went and checked out the girl who won's IG. she gets rad in the streets. Taylor should take some notes
https://youtu.be/Ie7qnFSpE_g
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Here we go....
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attn right wing dudes i will fade you if you start showing up to skate spaces and don’t keep that goofy shit to yourself
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All trans stuff aside:
If you watch this girl skate on her insta it’s clear she’s objectively bad. Like zero chance of entering any legit contest bad (can’t ollie up a curb, struggles to 50-50 a 2ft bowl).
I think this grifting is her best chance at making any name in skateboarding, and I think she knows that.
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
Cool slippery slope
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
this thread is about a woman who beat another woman in a contest. did you mean to keep this shit to yourself or maybe yell it at a passing car?
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If this is the man who is leading your crusade against wokeness, focus your whole life
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
Cool slippery slope
I triple dog dare you to humor him and answer the question.
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i guess it ends with some weeb working at google? shocking
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You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
That was definitely a bad move on my part. I am truly sorry for it. I fucked up big time, and although I might say I wish I never did that, if I had avoided responding here I would not have the understanding I have now. Many hours of my day have been consumed by thoughts about this thread, my own prejudices, my thinking, and my responses here.
Closed minds need to be kicked open sometimes, and you all have definitely gotten through. Not gonna pretend I am fully understanding yet but have plenty of food for thought. I love LGBTQIA and don’t care what people are, I just thought I would chime in on “man and woman” thing and completely missed the big picture, and the process has brought out some buried prejudices in me that I don’t like to admit and may never have been uncovered if not for this thread.
If, after all of this, you truly want me to fuck off, please say so, and I will fuck off. I do feel like I am experiencing some consequences for my words but you and others may feel that there should be a more tangible consequence, and if you do feel that way just say so. I don’t want to be here showing a clip of me doing an ollie (when I learn how I mean) if everybody is going to just see me as an anti-LGBTQIA. I simply am not that, I don’t believe that at all, but I do believe I have some programming and learned behavior that needs adjusting.
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White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
Cool slippery slope
I know a bunch of men with babies. They're called fathers. Pretty cool people. I got one myself actually. I recommend them.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
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White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
First off, this about a trans woman beating a cis woman.
The cis woman is upset that someone who was born with male qualities beat her in a contest that she felt should be for female born skateboarders.
If you believe trans woman are woman then cool. That’s what you believe. But the cis woman doesn’t see it that way. It shouldn’t be impossible for you to put yourself in her shoes and see things from her point of view.
A lot of people commenting on this are so concerned with not being viewed as transphobic that they don’t realize it is misogynistic to tell a ciswoman to “get better” to some one who is male born. That’s the type of rhetoric that was used against women before the 70s when cis women were trying to get equal distribution of funds in school sports.
There’s a lot of nuance to this situation and it’s disheartening to see very little recognition of that.
Second, this is a public forum where people can freely post their thoughts and questions… given that the mods don’t delete them.
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White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
First off, this about a trans woman beating a cis woman.
The cis woman is upset that someone who was born with male qualities beat her in a contest that she felt should be for female born skateboarders.
If you believe trans woman are woman then cool. That’s what you believe. But the cis woman doesn’t see it that way. It shouldn’t be impossible for you to put yourself in her shoes and see things from her point of view.
A lot of people commenting on this are so concerned with not being viewed as transphobic that they don’t realize it is misogynistic to tell a ciswoman to “get better” to some one who is male born. That’s the type of rhetoric that was used against women before the 70s when cis women were trying to get equal distribution of funds in school sports.
There’s a lot of nuance to this situation and it’s disheartening to see very little recognition of that.
Second, this is a public forum where people can freely post their thoughts and questions… given that the mods don’t delete them.
you reachin dawg
especially if she's entering contests, theres a standard she does not meet - why is that so hard for everyone to grasp?
ya'll should really be mad at whoever let her enter
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Inb4 some other low post buster who probably was talking shit on jessyka Bailey a month ago concern trolls about "female born skaters"
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
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+1 for open division contests. That's equality right?
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That was most definitely not very live laugh love of her.
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
First off, this about a trans woman beating a cis woman.
The cis woman is upset that someone who was born with male qualities beat her in a contest that she felt should be for female born skateboarders.
If you believe trans woman are woman then cool. That’s what you believe. But the cis woman doesn’t see it that way. It shouldn’t be impossible for you to put yourself in her shoes and see things from her point of view.
A lot of people commenting on this are so concerned with not being viewed as transphobic that they don’t realize it is misogynistic to tell a ciswoman to “get better” to some one who is male born. That’s the type of rhetoric that was used against women before the 70s when cis women were trying to get equal distribution of funds in school sports.
There’s a lot of nuance to this situation and it’s disheartening to see very little recognition of that.
Second, this is a public forum where people can freely post their thoughts and questions… given that the mods don’t delete them.
there's not nuance here, there's willful ignorance of the actual biology of trans people and the effects that hormones have on someone's body. I absolutely believe it's very important to see things from someone else's perspective, but I draw the line where that perspective is to deny a trans person their basic humanity
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
First off, this about a trans woman beating a cis woman.
The cis woman is upset that someone who was born with male qualities beat her in a contest that she felt should be for female born skateboarders.
If you believe trans woman are woman then cool. That’s what you believe. But the cis woman doesn’t see it that way. It shouldn’t be impossible for you to put yourself in her shoes and see things from her point of view.
Fact is, the red bull comp divisions weren't "assigned male at birth" and "assigned female at birth"
It was mens and womens divisions. Any reasonable interpretation of that, especially after seeing the actual contestant list (for you slow ones out there), would lead you to realize that these divisions refer to gender. Not the same thing chromosome makeup/biological sex. Doesn't matter that she felt like it should be for "female born skateboarders" or whatever the fuck. Now her salty transphobic ass is sicking the entire right wing media machine on the poor girl who won by skating better
Maybe she should take notes from her knight in shining armour/irritating speed talker Ben Shapiro, facts dont care about your feelings lol
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sooooo is it going to shift into open divisions or is each contest going to become specifically more sorted (shoe size division, calf size division, weight class, center of gravity division...) again, "cool slippery slope"
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We all must be vigilant against the Rowley to jk Rowling pipeline. Sidewalk TERFing
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
to be fair all he did is bring up some reasonable questions that nobody here has been able answer with out lashing out negatively and emotionally
That's my point. He won't get the answers he seeks here, especially since some of them are highly unlikely hypotheticals that aren't relevant to the topic at hand, which is that a woman complained about another women being better than her in a contest.
it's cause his questions are bad faith arguments that trans people and trans allys deal with all the time from... shocker ! TRANSPHOBES lol
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
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ok. so anyone who asks questions is driven by 'right wing outrage'
you realize how insane that is?
YES LOL that's why people react so "emotionally" to those questions , cause they are the same questions posed in bad faith by transphobes who are only trying to invalidate trans people . so when someone who maybe is more centrist or doesn't even know about the alt right use these sames bad faith arguments it's emotionally exhausting for trans people to continuously try to justify their existence over and over again. Trans people have a high suicide rate but it's greatly reduced if they have at least one friend or family member who is supportive, think about how insane that is
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
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Why not just separate contests based on sex and not gender? Anyways contest skating is reetarded . Who cares
Because to do so would further alienate trans athletes. Trans men are men. Trans women are women. And should be treated as such.
if fair and equal competition is the ACTUAL goal, than the solution is to separate competitions by weight , and not gender, then the BEST competitor wins, which btw is the Point of sports , someone wins others lose that's it
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
Great way to change someone's opinion. Dipshit.
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
Cool slippery slope
that white person would be seen as insane, especially since whiteness is a concept and race is more akin to culture, race is a concept introduced by WASPs but again that' is a BAD FAITH argument
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
Don't be vague. What exact physical advantages did the winner of the comp have over this Taylor May?
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
read the thread you illiterate transphobe, there is a lot of good info here for you to change your clearly uninformed opinion
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Fuck this right wing self martyrdom.
I'm not a corpo contest follower (I'm all about local comps though, as they're more like family reunions out here).
The winner is a woman. There's no way around it. Hell, it looks like Taylorterf has more muscle mass than the winner... she simply skates like she's a beginner.
Also this 100%:
However you feel about this, one thing about skateboarding is we generally keep this shit in house , and have these discussion amongst ourselves. Corey Duffel N Word drama, Jason Jesse, Johan Stuckey, SF rape culture, etc. We kept that shit in house. Trying to reach out to right-wing outlets to bring unwarranted voices in the conversation from people who don’t know shit about skateboarding, don’t give a shit about skateboarding. and are arguing in bad faith is incredibly scummy behavior. This is shit that should get you permanently kooked in skateboarding, and any company that sponsors her after this should hold that L as well, but going by her shitty footage, I’m sure we don’t have to worry about her getting any legit sponsors.
...I'm a Twitter junkie, and right now there are threads from people who would normally call the fucking cops on us acting as if they're an authority on skateboarding.
Fuck Tim Pool. That bitch still owes me a plane ticket so I can beat his ass at a game of skate.
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
Great way to change someone's opinion. Dipshit.
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I wasn't trying to change their opinion. I was insulting them. Do you need me to color a picture for you to understand?
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
Great way to change someone's opinion. Dipshit.
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why would anyone bother teaching someone who has specifically said they have no interest in learning?
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
Great way to change someone's opinion. Dipshit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/g0LSbn4y/IMG-3544.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I wasn't trying to change their opinion. I was insulting them. Do you need me to color a picture for you to understand?
Fair enough. This is whole thread is a shit show. Cheers.
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
Damn dude. Burst this debate wiiiddddeeee open with this scorcher! Thanks for chiming in, a lot to think about!!!!
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
Great way to change someone's opinion. Dipshit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/g0LSbn4y/IMG-3544.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
You seem to under the impression that this is a high school debate class. In the real world, No one gives a shit about your fucking ad hominem.
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Based on some of the posts within this thread (I refuse to read 13 pages of this shit) some of you think that a trans woman competing against a female is fair play. I understand that this chick is a kook and I know she went about this situation with absolutely no grace. Regardless, I believe that it is unfair for somebody with the physical advantages of a man to compete against a woman.
thanks for your input, captain dipshit. Really shaking the landscape of these 13 pages
Great way to change someone's opinion. Dipshit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/g0LSbn4y/IMG-3544.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Ad Hum on Deez Nuts you fucking bozo.
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes” are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
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It's so weird that she seems to be in it just for the money, no passion, no soul, no style, nothing.
She should be happy, that she made that much money with her "skills" and she is in absolutely no position to dictate who can or can't enter a competition.
As much as I hate energy drinks, I am team Red Bull in this particular case. And it's pretty rad to see Nora, Chris and Ryan Lay say something. For some reason, I never liked Chris but now I am a big fan. "Get bitter or get better."
Get over to the post you skating thread and see some shredding from the pals.
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
Cool slippery slope
Not sure if you’re serious or realize how bad/dumb the question is.
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It's so weird that she seems to be in it just for the money, no passion, no soul, no style, nothing.
She should be happy, that she made that much money with her "skills" and she is in absolutely no position to dictate who can or can't enter a competition.
As much as I hate energy drinks, I am team Red Bull in this particular case. And it's pretty rad to see Nora, Chris and Ryan Lay say something. For some reason, I never liked Chris but now I am a big fan. "Get bitter or get better."
Get over to the post you skating thread and see some shredding from the pals.
Maybe tagging Ben Shapiro is an attempt to leverage herself as some sort of XtReMe sPoRtZ version of Kaitlin Bennett on social media or something. If it's money she's after, god knows it's there. Plus lack of a soul is a pre-requisite.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
Yes, telling someone to fuck off for saying transphobic shit is making it about me. Like I said next time I’ll bring out the red carpet. I’m happy he’s willing to change but I don’t have to fucking root for him.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
I cant speak for all trans people of course, but I personally felt that frenzy was really giving this some thought
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
Okay but all the bald-shaming stuff kinda sucks.
- A bald doofus.
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Intellectual dishonesty seems to be progressive with most people replying in this thread. Is the next phase of this race?
White guy is now identifying as an Asian woman applying for a job at google. If people are afraid to say a man cannot have a baby, where does it end?
Cool slippery slope
I know a bunch of men with babies. They're called fathers. Pretty cool people. I got one myself actually. I recommend them.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
Yes, telling someone to fuck off for saying transphobic shit is making it about me. Like I said next time I’ll bring out the red carpet. I’m happy he’s willing to change but I don’t have to fucking root for him.
You could also just shut up.
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
Okay but all the bald-shaming stuff kinda sucks.
- A bald doofus.
Larry David says all bald men are his brothers so you have that. Pretty cool.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
Yes, telling someone to fuck off for saying transphobic shit is making it about me. Like I said next time I’ll bring out the red carpet. I’m happy he’s willing to change but I don’t have to fucking root for him.
You should actually root for him. Isn't his willingness to improve exactly the what society needs in order for positive change to happen?
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes” are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
yeah you're right, referring to the only jewish nation in the world as an "ethno-nationalist project", which is common phrase used by anti-semites, definitely isn't anti-semitic. As i said before, maybe don't call people out for being hateful and bigoted by using hateful and bigoted expressions... just a thought
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If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
holy shit ever chud in here just keeps going mask off and showing how little they actually know about progressive issues and human rights
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
As an anti-Zionist Jew, I assure you there’s nothing anti-Semitic about opposing the apartheid state of Israel. Equating Zionism with Jewishness is arguably inherently anti-Semitic, but that’s an uncharitable view and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
and a nice try at thinking! unfortunately, it's not for everyone
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
It’s literally an ethno-nationalist project. This isn’t controversial and is a source of pride for many Zionists, including my own family. It’s also an explicit part of Israeli law (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy).
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this board is filled with a bunch of kooky redditors. for 1. actual girl who got 2nd is definitely a kook, but 2. a trans woman is exactly that, a trans woman. not an actual woman. never will be an actual woman. the end. 8)
"this board is filled with redditors" *says the most redditor shit possible*
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this board is filled with a bunch of kooky redditors. for 1. actual girl who got 2nd is definitely a kook, but 2. a trans woman is exactly that, a trans woman. not an actual woman. never will be an actual woman. the end. 8)
damn dude! you gonna tell me to touch grass next? call me soy? make a joke about pronouns? maybe a "how dare you assume my gender!" jab since i used the word dude? there's no telling what this intellectual powerhouse has in store!
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You could also just shut up.
Personally, I give poopnutsupreme a pass because even though what I said wasn’t said with hate, it was hateful and hurtful. The fact that they haven’t come through with another “fuck off” is enough for me to believe they will tolerate my existence and I am grateful for that, all things considered…..
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I am going to trademark "Sidewalk Surfin' Terf" and makes tens of dollars on stickers and merch.
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However you feel about this, one thing about skateboarding is we generally keep this shit in house , and have these discussion amongst ourselves. Corey Duffel N Word drama, Jason Jesse, Johan Stuckey, SF rape culture, etc. We kept that shit in house. Trying to reach out to right-wing outlets to bring unwarranted voices in the conversation from people who don’t know shit about skateboarding, don’t give a shit about skateboarding. and are arguing in bad faith is incredibly scummy behavior. This is shit that should get you permanently kooked in skateboarding, and any company that sponsors her after this should hold that L as well, but going by her shitty footage, I’m sure we don’t have to worry about her getting any legit sponsors.
to hammer this home, I was cursed by the algorithm on that post and my fairly innocuous (but clearly negative) comment toward Taylor ended up getting well over 1000 likes - for well over 24 hours after leaving that comment, I was getting comments from burner insta accounts on my personal page calling me a pedophile and a groomer and to kill myself. These aren't people worth talking to, obviously, but it's what happens when right wing freaks get involved. Thanks, Taylor. She might not keep competing, but she could get a book deal! I wish her the worst.
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I was envisioning a situation such as the recent swimming competition scandal, but jesus once I saw that recap I have no idea how she imagines she deserves any money for the level of skating she's at. Fuck this person for real, for being trying to put others down and for trying to make this a political thing, should be kooked to oblivion.
I'm just trying to imagine myself competing in the open series of a contest only to be shown up by a 12 year old, and getting mad they're not in the 12 and under series. Might have to re-evaluate the level you're at with skateboarding. Fuck she really did receive money for what I saw was shitty fakie bigspin on a pyramid corner.
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
It’s literally an ethno-nationalist project. This isn’t controversial and is a source of pride for many Zionists, including my own family. It’s also an explicit part of Israeli law (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy).
You're missing the forest for the trees, calling someone a "zionist kook" is using the word zionist in a derogatory manner. And guess what zionist is code for??? There was no need to use the word zionist at all and it was used in a way to minimize and demean the chick even further. Defend the poster all you want, they were being anti-semetic. There is a massive difference between the academic and political term zionist and the way it was used in this situation
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
It’s literally an ethno-nationalist project. This isn’t controversial and is a source of pride for many Zionists, including my own family. It’s also an explicit part of Israeli law (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy).
It saddens me to report that the goys are once again at it.
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holy shit ever chud in here just keeps going mask off and showing how little they actually know about progressive issues and human rights
I'm not defending the anti-trans chick at all. I am calling out that using the word zionist to describe someone in a demeaning manner is anti-semitic, despite what you think
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If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
holy shit ever chud in here just keeps going mask off and showing how little they actually know about progressive issues and human rights
Get your Zionist anti-trans rhetoric out of here
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
It’s literally an ethno-nationalist project. This isn’t controversial and is a source of pride for many Zionists, including my own family. It’s also an explicit part of Israeli law (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy).
Nah dude you're trying to use accusations of anti semitism to obscure the political nature of Zionism as a movement. No other political ethno-nationalist movement gets that same grace. It would be absurd to defend south African apartheid by labeling criticism of that regime as anti Dutch. Just as absurd as people defending the open air prison camp that gaza has become for Palestinians who were unfortunate enough to be born in a hostile apartheid state
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
It’s literally an ethno-nationalist project. This isn’t controversial and is a source of pride for many Zionists, including my own family. It’s also an explicit part of Israeli law (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy).
Nah dude you're trying to use accusations of anti semitism to obscure the political nature of Zionism as a movement. No other political ethno-nationalist movement gets that same grace. It would be absurd to defend south African apartheid by labeling criticism of that regime as anti Dutch. Just as absurd as people defending the open air prison camp that gaza has become for Palestinians who were unfortunate enough to be born in a hostile apartheid state
What does Israel have to do with this specific controversy over trans rights? Why was the word zionist even brought up? And why use the term zionist kook when the word kook (or literally any other adjective preceding kook) would work just as well? That is the point I am trying to make, when you purposefully insert a word like that and use it in a derogatory sense it has nothing to do with the political issue of that land and everything to do with being hateful. So go ahead and ignore that key part of my argument all you want, but as a jew I get really tired of people using the valid political debate around israel as a guise for their anti-semitism
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I don't really want to wade into this sludge but it's made me think a little. I think it's fair to say that the level in women's skating is lower due to there having been such a smaller talent pool to draw from and so the chances of a woman reaching the same level as male pros have been much more unlikely. However, this is changing fast and I'm super hyped to see it. Whenever I go to the park now there are generally more girls of maybe 8-15 skating compared to boys and they do not fuck about, they are going for it! My friend is a skate teacher and it's very noticeable how much better the female students are than the male ones, they take it way more seriously, are way more "into" skating interns of watching videos/knowing tricks/dressing like a skater, learn faster and generally have way more balls too (no pun unintended). I can perhaps see why people have a prejudice towards trans women competing in combat sports (whether or not that is right isn't for me to say but I think the idea of someone who was once male striking a female is jarring to a lot of people) however it seems to me that in things like gymnastics/ice skating where you're just competing with your own agility etc and the talent pool of men and women is probably similar in number there doesn't seem to be much difference between the men and women and each gender have things they can do that the other can't. Perhaps one day we'll see fully mixed competition which would put an end to all this nonsense but even if we don't, I think the women's level will soon reach a point where a trans woman doesn't stick out. Even if we don't, fuck this transphobic bullshit, this is skateboarding. This woman is such a fucking kook, she should be more than grateful to ever have been given any money/spotlight for skating at her level and calling in the alt right is utterly heinous. Let her go play with the other grifters, there's no place for that nonsense here.
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
It’s literally an ethno-nationalist project. This isn’t controversial and is a source of pride for many Zionists, including my own family. It’s also an explicit part of Israeli law (https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy).
Nah dude you're trying to use accusations of anti semitism to obscure the political nature of Zionism as a movement. No other political ethno-nationalist movement gets that same grace. It would be absurd to defend south African apartheid by labeling criticism of that regime as anti Dutch. Just as absurd as people defending the open air prison camp that gaza has become for Palestinians who were unfortunate enough to be born in a hostile apartheid state
Here is a practical proposal to you. Discuss the basic facts of the oppression of the Palestinians by Israel as much as you can and going right down to the basics of the racism of everyday. Point out the obvious contradiction between what the majority of American Jews demand for themselves in the USA, and what they defend in Israel. Do not be intimidated in the struggle against racism and for human dignity, equality and freedom, by any demagoguery about peace and democracy, if they are used in the cause of discrimination, and perhaps the words of the prophet (Amos 5. 15) will come true; Hate the evil and love the good and establish judgment in the gate, it may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious to the remnant
of Joseph.
Alexander Cockburn
We're lumping that in because it's another discriminatory belief that she has. She is trying to incite a bunch of bad faith right wing outrage merchants to disrupt our culture and attack trans skaters. Just like she also supports the apartheid state of Israel. My criticism has nothing to do with anti semitism and is fully about the slow moving genocide the state of Israel has been waging against Palestinians for over fifty years
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
Yes, telling someone to fuck off for saying transphobic shit is making it about me. Like I said next time I’ll bring out the red carpet. I’m happy he’s willing to change but I don’t have to fucking root for him.
You could also just shut up.
he did dig his heels in initially. the timeline of events is: 1) dofrenzy comes in says hes not a transphobe but ultimately he agrees with Taylor and that she is the rightful winner. 2) then he gets called out on it, so 3) he makes another comment that simulatenously apologizes and also doubles down on the transphobic shit with giving dictionary definitions. 4) after getting called on that he's apologizing, claiming to have had this big revelation and learned a lot 5) then poopnuts says his apology doesnt absolve him and then 6) dofrezny says sorry again and says he'll leave if anyone wants him to. has he grown? i dunno. he sure wants us to think so, but then again he wanted us to think he's not transphobic in his first message and wanted us to think he was apologetic in his 2nd message. Then he comes in to say that he gives poopnuts a pass as if poopnuts is the one on trial here. if youre actually apologetic and learning "you could also just shut up"
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@dofrenzy some things are lost between generations- i got what you meant and you’re all good.
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
And there only citation provided here leads us to a BLOG from a feminist group, hardly a neutral source at that nor one that any proper researcher would ever include. Philosophy/sociology in particular are very broad and diverse fields with many competing frameworks, it's not exactly difficult to cherry pick one that's suited to your idealist beliefs and call it a day.
Unfortunately, given the "You're either with us or against us" mentality that's rife here, there isn't much room for rational discussion/inquiry.
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
And there only citation provided here leads us to a BLOG from a feminist group, hardly a neutral source at that nor one that any proper researcher would ever include. Philosophy/sociology in particular are very broad and diverse fields with many competing frameworks, it's not exactly difficult to cherry pick one that's suited to your idealist beliefs and call it a day.
Unfortunately, given the "You're either with us or against us" mentality that's rife here, there isn't much room for rational discussion/inquiry.
take it up with the debate pyramid dweeb, nobody is buying your shit
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
And there only citation provided here leads us to a BLOG from a feminist group, hardly a neutral source at that nor one that any proper researcher would ever include. Philosophy/sociology in particular are very broad and diverse fields with many competing frameworks, it's not exactly difficult to cherry pick one that's suited to your idealist beliefs and call it a day.
Unfortunately, given the "You're either with us or against us" mentality that's rife here, there isn't much room for rational discussion/inquiry.
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I like the maturely level of this conversation.
Good stuff people.
I have no doubt of the positive impact this is having on our skateboard community.
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You all deserve a Famous Stars and Straps timeout.
https://youtu.be/O3N1RefFb68 (https://youtu.be/O3N1RefFb68)
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
There is a Jewish state. Zionism is essentially nationalism.
It's why the Palestinians keep getting more and more occupied, and why African refugees are immediately put in prison.
Fuck off with the anti Semitism shit, it's a completely unrelated thing.
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Future sports caster for OAN right there.
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Who is princess Arby’s, and what did she do to hurt Wackingball’s feelings?
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Imagine bragging that you're talking to one of the worst exports of the country that took colonialism to the next level
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Who is princess Arby’s, and what did she do to hurt Wackingball’s feelings?
Marbie, and she existed
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
And there only citation provided here leads us to a BLOG from a feminist group, hardly a neutral source at that nor one that any proper researcher would ever include. Philosophy/sociology in particular are very broad and diverse fields with many competing frameworks, it's not exactly difficult to cherry pick one that's suited to your idealist beliefs and call it a day.
Unfortunately, given the "You're either with us or against us" mentality that's rife here, there isn't much room for rational discussion/inquiry.
The very same one that you've failed to go above the two bottom levels? At the very least, you're just reaffirming the whole "with us or against us" mob mentality bs going on here.
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the gender and sex binary (as opposed to a fluid spectrum, for example) have been debunked both scientifically and philosophically, hence why ppl that keep bringing up the “irrefutable differences” between the “two genders/sexes are getting called transphobic.
*WARNING* dweeb mode activated:
Scientifically, we now know through medical science that there are more options out there than XX and XY for our 23rd pair of chromosomes, and this is normal. Additionally, our cognitive behavior is not rigidly related to our sex at birth either, so bc of this, trying to assign a gender binary to a non-binary sexual spectrum leads to immediate failure (or contradiction).
When it comes to physical prowess, creating arbitrary pseudoscientific delineators of sex/gender performance have harmed the women’s liberation movement too, with the example of cis women with naturally high testosterone levels being prohibited from participating in certain high-level track and field events.
Yet the path of transition is a grueling one physically, emotionally, and socially. You CAN’T just wake up one day and “decide to put on a dress” and compete in women’s division—it takes a huge toll, not only bc of transition hormone therapy, which I’d argue diminishes your athletic ability. Under patriarchy, heteronormativity, and bio absolutism, a trans person’s existence is illegitimate. If anything, I would personally opine that, even besides the physical limitations that hormone therapy ensues, the social reality of living while trans is handicap enough for ppl to suggest they have an advantage or it should be “separate but equal” and then get mad at being called “transphobe”
Philosophically, not all opinions are equally true. Mao spoke in this sense of “contradictions” that could become antagonistic if those opinions could not coexist. In his Marxist-Leninist train of thought, he saw the main antagonist of the oppressed as the bourgeoisie, with the main antagonistic contradiction being class struggle and exploitation of the proletariat/peasant’s production power for accumulation of capital. Antagonistic contradictions NEED to be assessed empirically (material evidence, which shapes consciousness) to determine the better or truer one.
If we apply this framework to sex & gender absolutists’ opinions, it’s saying these ppl think there is a biological contradiction between cis women and trans women that is antagonistic and cannot coexist to achieve “women’s” freedom. However, women are not a monolith and there are plenty non-antagonistic contradictions in their lived realities, yet the unwavering contradiction to women’s liberation is the patriarchy (hand in hand with imperialism-capitalism) where the latter group will never benefit from the former’s liberation, hence collaboration is untenable. On the other hand, when ciswomen and transwomen recognize they have the same oppressor, it should become immediately clear that this contradiction is not antagonistic, as both cis and trans women will benefit from women’s liberation even if the specifics are different.
for more info, go to: https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/ (https://proletarianfeministresearchgroup.wordpress.com/)
TL;DR: cis women and trans women are different, but they share a common oppressor and common goal, hence biological absolutism (women are born not made) goes against the feminist objective of liberation from patriarchy, and really only serves the oppressor. The Zionist-TERF internet lady is not a feminist, and neither are those defending her, she’s just being a narcissistic and hypocritical opportunist.
edit: typo of “peasant” as “lease at”
And there only citation provided here leads us to a BLOG from a feminist group, hardly a neutral source at that nor one that any proper researcher would ever include. Philosophy/sociology in particular are very broad and diverse fields with many competing frameworks, it's not exactly difficult to cherry pick one that's suited to your idealist beliefs and call it a day.
Unfortunately, given the "You're either with us or against us" mentality that's rife here, there isn't much room for rational discussion/inquiry.
The very same one that you've failed to go above the two bottom levels? At the very least, you're just reaffirming the whole "with us or against us" mob mentality bs going on here.
is it as tiresome being you as it is interacting with you?
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Future sports caster for OAN right there.
you just know the only reason she's smiling is because she sees the bag within reach
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I’m curious what Taylor the transphobe expects to come from all this?
By showing her true colors, she’s out of the skate world in any meaningful way. I guess she joins the right wing troll network and grifts away with all those asshats?
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Who is princess Arby’s, and what did she do to hurt Wackingball’s feelings?
Ah, thank you kindly. What an ass. Whatever, Marbie seems like more fun to skate with than Weck.
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Imagine bragging that you're talking to one of the worst exports of the country that took colonialism to the next level
Grossss
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I see both sides to this. It's cool Tim Pool threw down money for her losing if he really did that. Credibility as a skater. But this is up to women and who is holding the contest. I would not care at all if a trans man entered whatever the Olympics male event. And I think WNBA ratings and attendance would increase if trans woman were allowed to play or if the sport got there. It's kinda up to the ladies to decide that collectively. I don't think anyone claims to have the answers but if you guys were talking about "in house" taking care of things. This board is a sanctimonious self loathing ipa drinking probably very white for the most part pontificating about what some 22 year old white girl posting on her insta while putting a target on anyone that skateboards back that never did anything to you. This is the worst place you could find anything relevant on this subject material. I think giving her money for losing is taking care of things in house until maybe a non inclusive organization comes around. People should be allowed to talk about things that are interesting. If I was from the Olympics committee and tasked to address this issue I think I'd be very disappointed with my time wasted. Only a guy that's a pretty decent skater gave her money. I don't know much about his opinions. He skates and looks after skaters. Skaters supporting skaters like the 9 club says. If I were from the Olympic committee that would be my take away. She didn't even know who he was I guess. There's a guy Dan Jansen. He's brain dead. The whole side of his head crumpled. He did this to a man that had a YouTube channel about fishing with over 2000 followers. Jesse viera left him dead on the sidewalk. This kid has the best selling board but not a single shop carries Pizza skateboards.how is that? More dead security guards, more spots to skate. That's why I can't ever get down with slap. False logic every time. How many herpes Yonnie has or jarne show me your tits to a 16 year old. Now it's theotis and all these brands share retail space with a kid that got away with at least leaving the scene of an accident involving severe traumatic injuries. He got lucky but also set a precedent that if you fuck someone up bad while skateboarding. It's ok. You can keep your board. You kill your filmer. Get a pass for that too. We don't need to protect women from trans athletes. We need to protect them from yonnie herpes. It's gotta stop! He's damaging the herd!
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
There is a Jewish state. Zionism is essentially nationalism.
It's why the Palestinians keep getting more and more occupied, and why African refugees are immediately put in prison.
Fuck off with the anti Semitism shit, it's a completely unrelated thing.
I agree, israel and zionism has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Literally nothing. The sore loser didn't bring up israel in their criticism of the winner, so why did the poster insist on using the word zionist as an extra insult when talking about her? I am not saying that everyone who is anti-israel is anti-semetic, but when you call someone that is obviously jewish a "zionist kook" for no fucking reason you are being anti-semetic. You want to call her an anti-trans kook, go ahead. That would make sense in this conversation. A butt hurt kook, that would also work to describe the situation. But i have yet to hear a valid explanation why her religion needs to be brought into this or why being pro-israel, or "zionist" makes someone a worse person, which is what the poster was implying when they made that comment?
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I’m curious what Taylor the transphobe expects to come from all this?
By showing her true colors, she’s out of the skate world in any meaningful way. I guess she joins the right wing troll network and grifts away with all those asshats?
Money. That's what she expects from this. It's been about getting paid since day one if you really look at it.
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I’m curious what Taylor the transphobe expects to come from all this?
By showing her true colors, she’s out of the skate world in any meaningful way. I guess she joins the right wing troll network and grifts away with all those asshats?
Money. That's what she expects from this. It's been about getting paid since day one if you really look at it.
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I’m curious what Taylor the transphobe expects to come from all this?
By showing her true colors, she’s out of the skate world in any meaningful way. I guess she joins the right wing troll network and grifts away with all those asshats?
Money. That's what she expects from this. It's been about getting paid since day one if you really look at it.
True. Besides her transphobia, she seemed most upset about losing that first place money.
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Wtf, Didn’t think she would resort to doing scenes
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Hopefully she is banned from all contests going forward, and her sponsors all drop her
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
There is a Jewish state. Zionism is essentially nationalism.
It's why the Palestinians keep getting more and more occupied, and why African refugees are immediately put in prison.
Fuck off with the anti Semitism shit, it's a completely unrelated thing.
Zionism = pro-Israel
pro-Israel = pro-military occupation of Palestine
pro-Israel = pro-forceful takeover of Palestine
pro-Israel = pro-apartheid in occupied Palestine
Zionism and zionists = bad!!!
No one is bringing religion into it bc none of these things have anything to do with being Jewish. Being Jewish is not a requirement for being Zionist. “Great White Replacement” fascists in the US can be Zionist bc “all people’s should return to their own land” (the irony tho lol) AND bc they’re anti-Semitic. Uncle fucking Sam is Zionist, and it’s not even a person
If we had seen “pro-life” posts on her account we would’ve called her an anti-choice kook. But, we saw plenty pro-Israel content, so she’s a Zionist kook. That make more sense?
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
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she’s fully embraced the kookiness of this. went full kook. brought in all these right wing people to give their opinion on something they know nothing about. she will never set foot in another skatepark again with that stupid ass green helmet without getting looks thrown at her.
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I’m curious what Taylor the transphobe expects to come from all this?
By showing her true colors, she’s out of the skate world in any meaningful way. I guess she joins the right wing troll network and grifts away with all those asshats?
she was there in the first place? entitled grifter is all she is. my puppy has more steez hiding from my skateboard
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I’m curious what Taylor the transphobe expects to come from all this?
By showing her true colors, she’s out of the skate world in any meaningful way. I guess she joins the right wing troll network and grifts away with all those asshats?
she was there in the first place? entitled grifter is all she is. my puppy has more steez hiding from my skateboard
I see that wording it like that implies she was meaningful to start with, which I don’t think she was. But, in an alternate reality where she wasn’t a transphobic kook, she could’ve built up her second place standings at regional Red Bull events into some kind of skate presence. Still a stretch based on her abilities, but it was a possibility.
My point was that as a skater I wouldn’t trade whatever little presence I have in skating to cash in on the right wing grift world. I’d much rather have skating. Shows she wasn’t much of a skater at all.
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she’s fully embraced the kookiness of this. went full kook. brought in all these right wing people to give their opinion on something they know nothing about. she will never set foot in another skatepark again with that stupid ass green helmet without getting looks thrown at her.
never go full kook
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Geez, it's not transphobic or bigoted at all to say that women have an XX chromosome and a uterus. If you don't have those, you're just not biologically a woman. Almost every medical doctor will tell you that.
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Geez, it's not transphobic or bigoted at all to say that women have an XX chromosome and a uterus. If you don't have those, you're just not biologically a woman. Almost every medical doctor will tell you that.
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
all 5 foot people vs all 6 foot people :) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
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This brings up a deeper question:
Will Trans people make more in the workforce than women?
Serious inquiry, no sarcasm intended
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No marks on the nose or tail. Narc
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TL;DR: taylor is a zionist kook and tim pool is bald
If you're going to call someone out for being anti-trans, maybe don't use anti-Semitic slurs
Zionism is a political project. It's not anti Semitic to criticize an ethno-nationalist project that has been operating an apartheid state for decades
Dale Sr. is absolutely correct. And Tim Pool is a bald rollerblader is probably more accurate.
There is a Jewish state. Zionism is essentially nationalism.
It's why the Palestinians keep getting more and more occupied, and why African refugees are immediately put in prison.
Fuck off with the anti Semitism shit, it's a completely unrelated thing.
Zionism = pro-Israel
pro-Israel = pro-military occupation of Palestine
pro-Israel = pro-forceful takeover of Palestine
pro-Israel = pro-apartheid in occupied Palestine
Zionism and zionists = bad!!!
No one is bringing religion into it bc none of these things have anything to do with being Jewish. Being Jewish is not a requirement for being Zionist. “Great White Replacement” fascists in the US can be Zionist bc “all people’s should return to their own land” (the irony tho lol) AND bc they’re anti-Semitic. Uncle fucking Sam is Zionist, and it’s not even a person
If we had seen “pro-life” posts on her account we would’ve called her an anti-choice kook. But, we saw plenty pro-Israel content, so she’s a Zionist kook. That make more sense?
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
This is one of the dumber arguments I've ever heard. You cannot separate Israel from the Jewish people and you cannot separate zionism from israel, which means that zionism and judaism are deeply linked. So go ahead and regurgitate anti-israel talking points, but understand that many many jews have a connection to israel and while they may not agree with the policies, when you equate pro-israel with bad people, you come across as anti-semetic.
And I'm done arguing about this, but I really hope you've actually done research on Hamas, the political party elected by the Palestinian people, because by supporting them you are supporting a governing body that is extremely homophobic and anti-trans
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Geez, it's not transphobic or bigoted at all to say that women have an XX chromosome and a uterus. If you don't have those, you're just not biologically a woman. Almost every medical doctor will tell you that.
There are more combinations of chromosomes than just XX and XY. Almost every medical doctor will tell you that.
Hysterectomies happen as well. Medical doctors perform them.
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This brings up a deeper question:
Will Trans people make more in the workforce than women?
Serious inquiry, no sarcasm intended
It has been illegal since the 60s to pay women less for the same job with the same skill. If anyone is paying less they can definitely get sued.
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Well, I'm amazed that the results of a Red Bull contest in the middle-of-nowhere is going to be at the center of some international cultural war.
I was in a Red Bull contest in Eastern Europe and I actually placed and got free shit even though my run sucked, because my friend told the organizer (who didn't know anything about skateboarding) to give me a spot at the podium. I wonder if Dateline will investigate this or if Netflix will make a docu-drama based off this event.
Honestly, this should be a conversation within skateboarding not some media circus. Or, if we are going to make it into big thing, I'd like to see Michael Sandel lead the conversation rather than some sensationalistic asshats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcL66zx_6No
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I had a lengthy conversation with a TERF in the comments of the thread.
And although I don’t agree with her conclusions, I can sympathize with how she got there.
Having to live under patriarchy can make you extremely sensitive to any male intrusion into the rare female-only safe spaces feminists have fought hard to create. I can understand after fighting patriarchy for so long, anything that seems like male colonization of female space sets off alarms. Which is what trans women looks like to them. Guys using their privilege to enter female spaces.
Of course, it necessarily ignores that trans women are generally and even more abused minority, and you would think that those feminists with their criticisms of hetro-normative patriarchy would find common cause with other victims of it.
To me, it’s very similar to how Zionists behave. Of course the Jewish people faced brutal discrimination and eradication, understandably desire a safe space free of that discrimination and you would think they would find common cause with other marginalized people like the Palestinians.
But to such closed hearts, the existence of Palestinians intrude into the ‘safe space’ , just as trans folk threaten female-only spaces. TERFs and Zionists both exclude other marginal communities under the justification of ‘protecting’ themselves, but in reality just promote discrimination against those marginalized communities, discrimination which often ends in violence and death.
But for both Zionists and TERFs, they are so inwardly concerned about their own in group they don’t seem able to feel compassion for anyone else.
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Damn. I took time to read this after posting some red meat in the Blake carpenter thread.
For which I am simply stoking the BS fire.
Thanks for taking time to explain this point of view. Never crossed my mind. I also learned what TERF is.
I can appreciate this. I’m not sure whether or not I agree with it all but in many ways it makes sense.
Like most things time helps gain tolerance and understanding. You meet individuals in your life that change your opinions about certain stereotypes etc. I’m not saying it’s right. Simply saying is people have to learn. And that takes time. It’s sucks to have to wait for society. We are also moving backwards with all the negative polarizing bullshit that’s being spread as well. People need to chill. . . And smoke more weed.
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Hopefully she is banned from all contests going forward, and her sponsors all drop her
Real talk, though; you don’t think she’s actually got any sponsors beyond, possibly, the local hardware store, do you?
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Gotta say these have been a big and validating two days for the “skateboarding is not a sport” and contest-hating crowd.
That's what I keep saying to myself. Let's go session. Everyone welcome. Fuck energy drinks and podiums. Clearly those are the arenas for jocks, kooks and bigots.
ps. Free Palestine.
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Anyone defending her cosigns on her freestyle lip tricks in bowls. You can’t have it both ways.
The skater who won that contest now has her name and photo included on news articles. I hope she’s doing alright in this, probably going to catch a lot of crazy alt right doxxing
Fuck, this shit is sad. I hope the girl that won stays safe and people support her. It appears she already deactivated her instagram. I hope Taylor stops getting invited to contests. To me, the articles still paint her as the asshole in this whether they meant to or not.
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Something else I find fascinating is where people are trying to draw the line on what is and isn't antisemitism surrounding her happening to be Jewish. Which if you're Jewish, there's some added fire to fuel the comments for or against her stance.
The Palestine/Israel conflict being thrown into this dumpster fire is a doozy, since commenting "Free Palestine" can be seen as antisemitic.
Whether you agree or disagree, I have no qualms. I am curious where people are drawing the line, since people throwing that around aren't targeting her, but are speaking politically on her page about the Palestine/Israel conflict because she happens to be Jewish.
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Something else I find fascinating is where people are trying to draw the line on what is and isn't antisemitism surrounding her happening to be Jewish. Which if you're Jewish, there's some added fire to fuel the comments for or against her stance.
The Palestine/Israel conflict being thrown into this dumpster fire is a doozy, since commenting "Free Palestine" can be seen as antisemitic.
Whether you agree or disagree, I have no qualms. I am curious where people are drawing the line, since people throwing that around aren't targeting her, but are speaking politically on her page about the Palestine/Israel conflict because she happens to be Jewish.
FREE PALESTINE is never antisemitic wtf lmao
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I'm not gonna trudge through 17 pages of horse shit to see if it's already been said but... Elissa Steamer used to enter Tampa contests competing against men. When I was young but skated a lot I thought she wasn't that good, and then I tried to find one thing I could do from a video part of hers I picked out and realized I couldn't do anything she did.
These fucking tiktok ig skater kids made skateboarding soft as fuck. I am fucking 33, I would need a week to get used to being back on a board after two years off, but if you gave me and her a month to film a part I would deliver and go for broke because I would have the drive to make a fool of a fool. Something these kids need to learn to do, to get motivated instead of crying about someone else making you a shitty skater.
If you think ANY team, from core skate companies to Redbull, wants to deal with a fucking complainer, you have no clue how the industry works.
The biggest sin in skateboarding is misrepresenting your skill level, especially towards someone else who hasn't treated you badly.
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boom roasted
As if there aren't pros who smoke crack or meth lol.
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Up late, about to hit the hay but worth noting.
Since 2004 you could compete in the Olympics with the gender you identify as if under hormone treatment for at least 2 years. It wasn't until last year, 2021, that a transgender athlete won gold, and it was a team sport, soccer.
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Something else I find fascinating is where people are trying to draw the line on what is and isn't antisemitism surrounding her happening to be Jewish. Which if you're Jewish, there's some added fire to fuel the comments for or against her stance.
The Palestine/Israel conflict being thrown into this dumpster fire is a doozy, since commenting "Free Palestine" can be seen as antisemitic.
Whether you agree or disagree, I have no qualms. I am curious where people are drawing the line, since people throwing that around aren't targeting her, but are speaking politically on her page about the Palestine/Israel conflict because she happens to be Jewish.
FREE PALESTINE is never antisemitic wtf lmao
Exactly my thoughts, but some people say otherwise on IG... albeit also defending Taylor, so there's some bias there, obviously.
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When we learn to hate everyone equally then the true healing can begin.
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When we learn to hate everyone equally then the true healing can begin.
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On a side note, perhaps the best way for "core" skating to deal with this would be to make sure any contest this kook enters in the future gets absolutely stacked with super good girl skaters to make sure she gets shown up, particularly if they're all about 10 so it throws cold water on her "physical advantage" arguments.
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gonna be a bitch when heather swanson decides to give skateboarding a go
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i thought she was gonna be good and then i watched her videos..... oh. as another female, i am embarrassed for her.
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Hey all, just want to revisit this so I can admit that my initial postings were based in utter ignorance and didn’t know what a trans woman is (in spite of me having a trans brother and in spite of me being supportive of LGBTQIA+). I cannot state strongly enough that I am NOT a transphobic person, but readily admit my ignorance.
So I educated myself a bit. As I understand it, a trans woman is someone who has transitioned…..wow, even after some research I am still not sure what words to use here; male, female, man, woman, sex, gender….all words that have been seemingly set in stone in the past certainly have been evolving in recent years to include what we now know is a very diverse biological and genetic spectrum. Please bear with me……and please help me understand anything I get wrong or am missing.
A trans woman is someone born as a male who has completely transitioned to living life as a female, including hormone therapy. The Olympics requires a trans athlete to be under hormone therapy for a minimum of 2 years before being allowed to compete.
There seems to be a clear distinction between “woman” and “female” too, where the word female seems to be genitalia specific and the word woman seems to describe feminine traits. One person who responded to The 2nd place winner pointed out that it was a “women’s” competition not a “female” (genitalia-based) competition.
Also learned:
TERF = Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist
Cis = on the side of (a Latin word or prefix, not an acronym)
Looking forward to a day of being slightly less ignorant about this.
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i don't get how people are so confident with these topics and insensitive to people being confused, taking pause, questioning, etc... there's a lot of tricky things that will likely pop up. is it naive or wrong to ask what it means to be a woman in the context of these events? is there some type of definition or qualification or is it simply a matter of someone saying they are a woman when they register? wouldn't that leave open competing in different events as different sexes on different days? would it even be possible to identify as both a man and a woman and compete in both events on the same day. if being both sexes isn't a thing, why not? if someone says they are both who's to say they aren't. if competing at different events as different sexes on different days shouldn't be allowed, why not? do the organizers of the events have any say in these matters being the ones who are creating the categories or is the concept of male and female now essentially unregulated.
there's so many things that can pop up around these evolving understandings of gender and identity and i really don't get why people are being complete a holes about this in both directions. what happened to talking about things in rational ways.
If you are confused and seek answers to these questions, asking them in the middle of a heated discussion might not be the best move. Instead, contact an LGBTQ advocacy group in your area and see if they can help you. I would be interested to find out what your opinion is after talking to them.
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
I appreciate your response but have to say that it lands a bit patronizing and self righteous on my end. I think the part that is tripping a lot of people up here is
In this particular case, however, there should be no confusion if you believe that trans women are women.
I think there's a difference between believing that trans women are women on a biological classification level and that trans women should be respected and treated as women and allowed to live their lives with dignity like everyone else. I don't know the terminology but maybe that's the difference between gender and gender identity. When it comes to sporting events, I'm pretty sure the classifications were created in a time when the biological differences were considering significant and necessary to level the playing field in sports or why else would it have been done? Maybe like most things that were decided a long time ago that was the wrong call. I have no idea as I have no horse in the race as a person who honestly doesn't give a shit about sports. I can honestly say I give way more of a shit about the trans struggle than competitive sports.
However, my previous point to the one you quoted was calling out to ideas like things being "helpful" to the trans cause. I think pushing hard on the concept that everyone has to accept in their mind that trans women are biologically the same as non-trans women seems unlikely to be helpful and in some ways is just impractical/impossible. If a body is found charred, isn't part of that analysis what the sex is? Surely the technician will need to think differently here and this would have to be an exception to the idea that biologically they are the same. I also feel it would be really helpful to this community if there was a definition on the table of what being a woman or man means, how it's qualified, etc... Maybe there is and I'm being ignorant and should take your advice and talk to the LGBTQ+ people. However I do know that there are a lot of well intentioned people who really don't understand what the new standards/rules/whatever it should be called are when it comes to gender and I'm pretty sure there's are a lot of people who are reading this in that boat. Every conversation seems like an opportunity to enlighten people to me but instead feels like anyone who asks questions is called transphobic. The whole thing is honestly really complex and new to most people and again this is why I don't get why people aren't more patient and less self righteous when discussing these topics.
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I just put myself in the 1st place winners shoes and I am gutted. I wish I had started with that. I 100% support her and her peers. I am one of those rational/logical people that wants everything to be zeroes and ones and I approached this topic with a dictionary. When I took an emotional peek at not only the topic but also the person(s) involved, it made me sad about my position here.
I did quickly edit out my congratulations to Taylor but some folks picked up on it.
Congratulations to the person who was judged 1st place by the people at the actual event. I just went to find that person’s name but evidently Taylor Silverman has been put in 1st place and there is only a 2nd placer, no 3rd.
I apologize, sincerely, if my statements offended anyone; I have been dealing with my own gender biases since my little sister came out as lesbian, ultimately becoming a trans man, and over literally decades I have been uncovering my own prejudices, bigotry, and frankly my complete lack of understanding. I feel enlightened by this discussion and I feel like my mind is a little more open at least.
You literally posted the dictionary definition of a women in response to others. I don’t care about your story, it doesn’t mean your transphobic remarks just wash away. Fuck off
Come on, dude. Scorching people who are legitimately trying and are willing to put it out there in the spirit of getting somewhere on all this ?
Oh sorry, next time I’ll bring out the red carpet.
God damn dude, your reaction would be warranted if he dug his heels in and said nothing and didn’t express the desire to learn and change.
All that you are accomplishing by throwing a shit fit like this is trying to make yourself look and feel superior by dunking on someone who has expressly admitted they were wrong and wants to improve.
Not to mention, a member of the trans community has recognized that he is willing to change and learn; as well as commended his response and seen he has taken this lesson to heart.
Stop making this issue about yourself, and see it for what it is: an opportunity where someone who needed education was receptive to it. That’s a small W in this massive trainwreck.
Yes, telling someone to fuck off for saying transphobic shit is making it about me. Like I said next time I’ll bring out the red carpet. I’m happy he’s willing to change but I don’t have to fucking root for him.
You could also just shut up.
he did dig his heels in initially. the timeline of events is: 1) dofrenzy comes in says hes not a transphobe but ultimately he agrees with Taylor and that she is the rightful winner. 2) then he gets called out on it, so 3) he makes another comment that simulatenously apologizes and also doubles down on the transphobic shit with giving dictionary definitions. 4) after getting called on that he's apologizing, claiming to have had this big revelation and learned a lot 5) then poopnuts says his apology doesnt absolve him and then 6) dofrezny says sorry again and says he'll leave if anyone wants him to. has he grown? i dunno. he sure wants us to think so, but then again he wanted us to think he's not transphobic in his first message and wanted us to think he was apologetic in his 2nd message. Then he comes in to say that he gives poopnuts a pass as if poopnuts is the one on trial here. if youre actually apologetic and learning "you could also just shut up"
Just wanted to say thank you for this, it meant a lot.
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I’m sure Palestinian insights regarding LGBT rights would be quite eye-opening for most on this board.
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I’m sure Palestinian insights regarding LGBT rights would be quite eye-opening for most on this board.
what? you think we're gonna find out that palestinians hate gay people and all of a sudden we're totally cool with genociding them? you can support more than one thing, dumbass
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I’m sure Palestinian insights regarding LGBT rights would be quite eye-opening for most on this board.
what? you think we're gonna find out that palestinians hate gay people and all of a sudden we're totally cool with genociding them? you can support more than one thing, dumbass
Right, just not with any sense of consistency 😂
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Jewish and right wing? Yikes. Is she a holocaust denier?
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Just stopping by to say that competitions are dumb. This lady is a total sports jock, I don't like jocks, bullies and hateful people. I don't like competitions. I skate because I need to get away from the bullshit, hatred and misery of this world or I would have jumped off a building long ago. Skate or die. :)
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I’m sure Palestinian insights regarding LGBT rights would be quite eye-opening for most on this board.
what? you think we're gonna find out that palestinians hate gay people and all of a sudden we're totally cool with genociding them? you can support more than one thing, dumbass
Right, just not with any sense of consistency 😂
I consistently support not genociding anyone and I consistently support not hating minorities. Believe it or not, this can mean supporting not genociding people who hate minorities. Hope this clears it up for you
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I’m sure Palestinian insights regarding LGBT rights would be quite eye-opening for most on this board.
what? you think we're gonna find out that palestinians hate gay people and all of a sudden we're totally cool with genociding them? you can support more than one thing, dumbass
Right, just not with any sense of consistency 😂
I consistently support not genociding anyone and I consistently support not hating minorities. Believe it or not, this can mean supporting not genociding people who hate minorities. Hope this clears it up for you
Good. Sounds like your heart’s in the right place. 🕊
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9nKFnFrw9o
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwstsxFJnp/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Similar event happened in surfing… the female pros are not happy about it.
(https://i.ibb.co/4VvkYFM/D4-F04073-D081-4360-B087-B379-B96-A13-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4VvkYFM)
(https://i.ibb.co/nz9HxYx/7-FB6-C344-6-B3-E-4-F4-E-926-E-BA2975-E8-B6-BB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nz9HxYx)
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Bethany Hamilton is the woman that was attacked by a shark and lost her arm and is still pro.
Keala Kennelly is pro surfing’s first openly lesbian and has multiple world titles.
Sage Ericsson is currently on the womens world tour
Victoria verga is on the womens longboard tour.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwstsxFJnp/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Similar event happened in surfing… the female pros are not happy about it.
(https://i.ibb.co/4VvkYFM/D4-F04073-D081-4360-B087-B379-B96-A13-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4VvkYFM)
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(https://i.ibb.co/WWpZB7x/1-D9-AE2-BE-25-AB-4-B01-803-A-A07-A126-EE4-DF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WWpZB7x)
Bethany Hamilton is the woman that was attacked by a shark and lost her arm and is still pro.
Keala Kennelly is pro surfing’s first openly lesbian and has multiple world titles.
Sage Ericsson is currently on the womens world tour
Victoria verga is on the womens longboard tour.
God's plan : getting tuned up by a shark
Not God's plan : being Trans and just wanting to surf dude
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the day i’m concerned with the opinions of white californians is the day i finally go rambo on the burger king
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the day i’m concerned with the opinions of white californians is the day i finally go rambo on the burger king
the one by forman mills gave me extra fries so don't go to that one pls thank you
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the day i’m concerned with the opinions of white californians is the day i finally go rambo on the burger king
the one by forman mills gave me extra fries so don't go to that one pls thank you
both of these comments are high points of this thread.
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women females have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
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To the person spamming that Twitter link: A Twitter post is about as far as you can get from, “recent research.” Posting it as such probably has the opposite effect of your intention.
Anyone with a cycle or taking estrogen can lactate even if they're not pregnant. There are a lot of hormone-mimicking drugs, one of them being domperidone, which is commonly prescribed for nausea and has lactation as a side effect. It's not a "recent" discovery or a cutting-edge treatment; it's basic biology.
That’s why Puff Daddy never stepped to Suge Knight, the Dom P had him bitchmade
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A page sharing her story a couple days ago called her a "professional skateboarder," which thankfully added some humor to how pathetic and fucked this whole "story" is.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdtXzAMpQ0Y/
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I took a course of Dompierridone and, as well as lactating, THIS happened to me!
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This is Dick L. Tikel, reporting live for 420 news from the site of a trainwreck.
What started as a lively, mostly-male, debate on what constitutes a woman, the thread has quickly devolved into what exactly is anti-sementism.
This Dick is red in the head as I attempt to swim through the arguments presented by trolls, hipoclits, mean-wellers, pro-trans, and every Slapper in between.
Both sides are bringing girthy ammo to the fight and there seems no to be no end in site as even surfing is being dragged into the discussion. It's anyone's guess how long before the winning camp erects its flag.
Who will convince the entire world that their version of reality is the correct one? Stay tooned.
This is Dick L. Tikel, signing of.
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If you too are anti-cementic, here's just the place for you:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=122135.0
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If you too are anti-cementic, here's just the place for you:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=122135.0
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aS a fEmAlE pRoFeSsIoNaL aThLeTe
Surfers revealing themselves as total kooks in the above post.
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Something else I find fascinating is where people are trying to draw the line on what is and isn't antisemitism surrounding her happening to be Jewish. Which if you're Jewish, there's some added fire to fuel the comments for or against her stance.
The Palestine/Israel conflict being thrown into this dumpster fire is a doozy, since commenting "Free Palestine" can be seen as antisemitic.
Whether you agree or disagree, I have no qualms. I am curious where people are drawing the line, since people throwing that around aren't targeting her, but are speaking politically on her page about the Palestine/Israel conflict because she happens to be Jewish.
First of all, absolutely fucking no one is just randomly bringing up Palestine because she "happens to be Jewish", it's because she's openly a fucking Zionist which inherently means she supports the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Second of all, it's never anti-Semitic to show support for Palestine and it's actually anti-Semitic to imply that all Jewish people are Zionists, because that's far from the truth.
The only reason that issue has been brought into this is because it's simply another example of this girl being openly problematic and holding discriminatory beliefs about another marginalized community. It's just a relevant as folks bringing up that she's called the cops on people drinking beer at a skatepark, or that she's complained about losing contests to other cis women in the past, or that she's been a dickhead to other cis women. Evidence of a pattern of being a piece of shit loser
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Hey all, just want to revisit this so I can admit that my initial postings were based in utter ignorance and didn’t know what a trans woman is (in spite of me having a trans brother and in spite of me being supportive of LGBTQIA+). I cannot state strongly enough that I am NOT a transphobic person, but readily admit my ignorance.
So I educated myself a bit. As I understand it, a trans woman is someone who has transitioned…..wow, even after some research I am still not sure what words to use here; male, female, man, woman, sex, gender….all words that have been seemingly set in stone in the past certainly have been evolving in recent years to include what we now know is a very diverse biological and genetic spectrum. Please bear with me……and please help me understand anything I get wrong or am missing.
A trans woman is someone born as a male who has completely transitioned to living life as a female, including hormone therapy. The Olympics requires a trans athlete to be under hormone therapy for a minimum of 2 years before being allowed to compete.
There seems to be a clear distinction between “woman” and “female” too, where the word female seems to be genitalia specific and the word woman seems to describe feminine traits. One person who responded to The 2nd place winner pointed out that it was a “women’s” competition not a “female” (genitalia-based) competition.
Also learned:
TERF = Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist
Cis = on the side of (a Latin word or prefix, not an acronym)
Looking forward to a day of being slightly less ignorant about this.
I appreciate this take and can relate.
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Up late, about to hit the hay but worth noting.
Since 2004 you could compete in the Olympics with the gender you identify as if under hormone treatment for at least 2 years. It wasn't until last year, 2021, that a transgender athlete won gold, and it was a team sport, soccer.
I didn't even make sense in my writing last night I was tired, so here it is laid out better:
Since 2004 athletes could compete in the Olympics with the gender you identify as, if you have been under hormone treatment for at least the previous 2 years. It wasn't until last year, 2021, that a transgender athlete won gold, and it was a team sport, soccer.
So 2004 is when you could start entering.
We've had 5 Summer Olympics in that time.
339 events each, Ill calculate at 300 just because some shit has been added, I dont know if stuff was taken away to balance, also just to throw the anti trans competitor crowd a bone in the stats.
300x5= 1,500 chances for someone to take gold in events since 2004.
It took 16 years for someone who is trans to get a gold, it happened at just this past games, for a team sport.
If its 1 out of 1500 that's a 0.0666666667% gold medal win rate for trans people. (Or for my Pro Wrestling homies, that's your chance of beating Scoot Steiner at Sacrifice)
If we wanted to go further and try to make it even more cautious on our calculations we can cut 1500 in half in case 750 are male versions of the contests, and 750 are female versions of the contests.
Since the consensus seems to be that it would be people born with a penis that would be the ones to transitioning to start dominating over women's events, we can do our calculations for just that scenario.
Even if it was 1 gold out of 750, that's still a gold medal win rate of 0.133333333% for trans people since they have been allowed to enter.
My numbers on events could be wrong because it's hard to find a clear list of number of events and how its divided. But we also slightly inflated the percentages when I counted 300 events instead of the reported 339 just to further give the anti crowd a break.
Thats pretty substantial to me.
Ill be honest I get it and I kind of dont. I get the idea of a 5'2" girl having to compete against a 6'1" person who has transitioned, feeling like its unfair. But competition isn't always divided into experience levels. I have assisted on a couple trail running events and have seen people of the same sex competing in the same event, where one has obviously better genetics (or PEDS) than the other, and that is already a huge difference in ability.
But also imagine in life, how your brain was wired when you were developing, you are essentially a woman trapped in a mans body. A lot of us saw that stuff even at a young age in school. A kid who looked male, or identified as male to everyone, but even their body movements and mannerisms are like a woman is in the brain controlling their behavior. Imagine having that feeling of being trapped in a body you wish was one that represented what you actually are wired as, and wishing your fucking body was different so you could live a normal life. Now you get on hormones to get as close to that as you can, it makes you loose strength, gain fat, its making you less athletic, and you still get shit.
I think what will happen is a breakthrough in hormone therapy that will cause someone to be able to transition to a degree much further than now, or maybe they will extend the amount of time you have to be on the therapy before competition. I'm not sure if the effect peaks at a certain point.
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women females have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women females have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
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LOL this is a troll, right? You do realize the new account that posted that was trying oh so hard to be really PC perfect and fucked up by calling natural born ladies women, rather than females. Thus undermining their creditability to knowledgably (and not emotionally) speak on the topic.
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdwstsxFJnp/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Similar event happened in surfing… the female pros are not happy about it.
(https://i.ibb.co/4VvkYFM/D4-F04073-D081-4360-B087-B379-B96-A13-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4VvkYFM)
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(https://i.ibb.co/WWpZB7x/1-D9-AE2-BE-25-AB-4-B01-803-A-A07-A126-EE4-DF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WWpZB7x)
Bethany Hamilton is the woman that was attacked by a shark and lost her arm and is still pro.
Keala Kennelly is pro surfing’s first openly lesbian and has multiple world titles.
Sage Ericsson is currently on the womens world tour
Victoria verga is on the womens longboard tour.
FUCK STAB. I called them on a trans joke on their IG a year or so ago and they acted like I was the bad guy. I don’t know what these women are thinking- it’s fucking long boarding - extra muscles aren’t that useful. And it’s shitty to throw some other people under the bus so you can bro down with the meatheads who run surfing. Basically fuck surf culture and the industry. Surfing is awesome but surfers are fucking lame.
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
WHEW! Roasted. Love that they used a still from some primo shit she did lol. Someone is offering to pay the difference lol.
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women females have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*80oWb_VBySaQIup7nitcDA.png)
LOL this is a troll, right? You do realize the new account that posted that was trying oh so hard to be really PC perfect and fucked up by calling natural born ladies women, rather than females. Thus undermining their creditability to knowledgably (and not emotionally) speak on the topic.
sorry, I should have said femoid
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
"“I’m proud of you for speaking up!” another sketboarder told her."
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
I liked this one - https://www.outkick.com/wokes-blast-skateboarder-taylor-silverman-for-speaking-out-against-transgender-competitor/
"Here’s how the tolerant left responded to her request to save women’s sports for biological women...
A blue checkmark wrote: “this is disgusting, might want to completely rethink your path skateboarding… maybe it can bring you some compassion and community instead of money and what ever the fuck this terrible attitude you have is…….“
That blue checkmark being Nora
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
Yeah. I feel like they should poll skaters before competition, and if they feel the way Taylor does, they have to compete in a separate division called sketboarding.
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nearly 20 pages in, and Sheriff Ed Tom Bell can't help but to wonder once again...
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Something else I find fascinating is where people are trying to draw the line on what is and isn't antisemitism surrounding her happening to be Jewish. Which if you're Jewish, there's some added fire to fuel the comments for or against her stance.
The Palestine/Israel conflict being thrown into this dumpster fire is a doozy, since commenting "Free Palestine" can be seen as antisemitic.
Whether you agree or disagree, I have no qualms. I am curious where people are drawing the line, since people throwing that around aren't targeting her, but are speaking politically on her page about the Palestine/Israel conflict because she happens to be Jewish.
First of all, absolutely fucking no one is just randomly bringing up Palestine because she "happens to be Jewish", it's because she's openly a fucking Zionist which inherently means she supports the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Second of all, it's never anti-Semitic to show support for Palestine and it's actually anti-Semitic to imply that all Jewish people are Zionists, because that's far from the truth.
The only reason that issue has been brought into this is because it's simply another example of this girl being openly problematic and holding discriminatory beliefs about another marginalized community. It's just a relevant as folks bringing up that she's called the cops on people drinking beer at a skatepark, or that she's complained about losing contests to other cis women in the past, or that she's been a dickhead to other cis women. Evidence of a pattern of being a piece of shit loser
I love how non-jews in this forum and elsewhere on the political left get to tell the jewish community what is and isn't anti-Semitic and offensive
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the day i’m concerned with the opinions of white californians is the day i finally go rambo on the burger king
the one by forman mills gave me extra fries so don't go to that one pls thank you
both of these comments are high points of this thread.
https://youtu.be/hlzm7-gvTRg
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
I liked this one - https://www.outkick.com/wokes-blast-skateboarder-taylor-silverman-for-speaking-out-against-transgender-competitor/
"Here’s how the tolerant left responded to her request to save women’s sports for biological women...
A blue checkmark wrote: “this is disgusting, might want to completely rethink your path skateboarding… maybe it can bring you some compassion and community instead of money and what ever the fuck this terrible attitude you have is…….“
That blue checkmark being Nora
Da purple transphobe eater
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
I liked this one - https://www.outkick.com/wokes-blast-skateboarder-taylor-silverman-for-speaking-out-against-transgender-competitor/
"Here’s how the tolerant left responded to her request to save women’s sports for biological women...
A blue checkmark wrote: “this is disgusting, might want to completely rethink your path skateboarding… maybe it can bring you some compassion and community instead of money and what ever the fuck this terrible attitude you have is…….“
That blue checkmark being Nora
That whole article is incredible.
The article is under the "Olympics" category, the title of the article categorizes anyone who disagrees with her as "Wokes," and the lack of checking out who the "blue checkmark" user was that you shared.
The first sentence is "Skateboarder Taylor Silverman refused to shut up and let a transgender skateboarder take prize money from her without a fight and now the tolerant left is lashing out with a barrage of disgusting hatred towards her for standing up for women’s sports," like this wasn't a contest from 2021 that no one remembers.
Hate to break it to them, but the "transgender skateboarder" took that prize money from her fair and square regardless how vocal she and the right gets, and unless Tim the Tool Man Pool actually pays her, that way too high payout she received from second place is all she's going to get aside from probably never competing again.
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women females have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*80oWb_VBySaQIup7nitcDA.png)
LOL this is a troll, right? You do realize the new account that posted that was trying oh so hard to be really PC perfect and fucked up by calling natural born ladies women, rather than females. Thus undermining their creditability to knowledgably (and not emotionally) speak on the topic.
sorry, I should have said femoid
Ignorance bears more ignorance.
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I love how non-jews in this forum and elsewhere on the political left get to tell the jewish community what is and isn't anti-Semitic and offensive
if you have not read it i think david baddiel's 2021 book would really resonate with you.
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
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this all comes off as such entitled whiny bullshit to me. like these athletes undergo potentially years of hormone therapy and surgery in order to transition, and after all that + putting in the work as athletes, these women females have the audacity to imply that it's somehow an advantage?
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*80oWb_VBySaQIup7nitcDA.png)
LOL this is a troll, right? You do realize the new account that posted that was trying oh so hard to be really PC perfect and fucked up by calling natural born ladies women, rather than females. Thus undermining their creditability to knowledgably (and not emotionally) speak on the topic.
sorry, I should have said femoid
Ignorance bears more ignorance.
okay socrates lol
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Maybe she lost the contest because she sucks ???
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Darren Harpers daughter > Taylor whatshername
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I love how non-jews in this forum and elsewhere on the political left get to tell the jewish community what is and isn't anti-Semitic and offensive
if you have not read it i think david baddiel's 2021 book would really resonate with you.
Maybe read Animal Farm also...
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I wish Christie dejesu would chime in ::)
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I wish Christie dejesu would chime in ::)
hell yea
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
And in a week no one will know and/or give a shit about her.
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The only Zion I give a fuck about is that one with the dope rave in The Matrix.
Or if Zion Williamson goes to the Knicks somehow.
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
I've never seen a current professional skateboarder with that kind of wear pattern on their deck.
Only graphics wear from dropping in. No nose or tail slide marks.
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Damn this girl really blew it
https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/
Only graphics wear from dropping in. No nose or tail slide marks.
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Yo... this chick is SO. BAD.
lmao
How on earth did she even come in second place? Must of been a seriously rinky dink ass contest. You You can find 12 year olds with deeper bags of tricks at just about any skate park in America.
Maybe I would cut her some slack if she was really trying to have a conversation about this, but she clearly isn't, because she tagged Ben Shapiro and all those other assholes in her post. That's just playing into all the tired culture war bullshit and trying to cozy up to the most annoying anti-trans ideologues in the world.
I get that not everyone is up to speed on contemporary gender politics, and I think we on the more so-called "progressive" side of it could probably do better to talk to people about it without being dismissive or condescending. But if someone is tagging all these right-wing dipshits you know they aren't actually open to hearing anything new.
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https://youtu.be/72OKr3KqWpY
piers morgan is talking to redbull to "work out how we resolve this issue" in skateboarding...sweet.
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Enough social commentary - let's see some chicks who rip!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbV7ehElrvg/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CbV7ehElrvg/)
I feel like an april Rayssa pro model would sell out hella fast. Wondering when that's gonna happen
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'World class athlete', Piers Morgan goes. Expedient assholes the lot of them.
And to make it more bizarre, she is kind of a dead ringer for a trans Ben Shapiro.
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
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https://youtu.be/72OKr3KqWpY
Yikes. He really has a way with words. "Women born to physically inferior bodies".
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Enough social commentary - let's see some chicks who rip!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbV7ehElrvg/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CbV7ehElrvg/)
I feel like an april Rayssa pro model would sell out hella fast. Wondering when that's gonna happen
Holy fuck
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Piers Morgan is made almost entirely out of pressed together slices of cooked ham, if you trace his ancestral lineage back far enough you reach a sort of boar like creature
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
Setting of all sorts of alt-right dog whistles here.
I’ll incite shit, and I thrive on hate too.
I have incited fights with bigoted pieces of shit. Who I fucking hate.
The difference is, our (the left) hatred is rooted in disgust at the oppression of others. Fueled by compassion and outrage. The rights hatred is rooted in the differences of others. Fueled by ignorance and zealousness.
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https://youtu.be/72OKr3KqWpY
Blantant transphobia aside it bugs me how she has her skateboard’s griptape touching against the couch.
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Blantant transphobia aside it bugs me how she has her skateboard’s griptape touching against the couch.
It's a pro athlete thing, you wouldn't understand.
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"world class skateboarder"
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
Setting of all sorts of alt-right dog whistles here.
I’ll incite shit, and I thrive on hate too.
I have incited fights with bigoted pieces of shit. Who I fucking hate.
The difference is, our (the left) hatred is rooted in disgust at the oppression of others. Fueled by compassion and outrage. The rights hatred is rooted in the differences of others. Fueled by ignorance and zealousness.
A righteous hatred, as it were.
Also…"world class skateboarder"
Fucking dying over here. It’s as if they haven’t bothered to look at any of her clips.
World class, my ass!
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
Pipe down, you little cornball.
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
go back to 4chan kook
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"They were not that successful when they competed against men, but once they come into women's..."
"It is a walk in the park isn't it?!"
This right here is the conservative emotional hitting point. The notion that natural hierarchies exist and any "liberal" interference destroys the top-down structure that society that God intended.
And, within their "natural" hierarchy, obviously all men are better than all women at any physical activity. Even if a trans woman receives hormone therapy, they are still naturally better than even the best cis women.
Finally, where the fuck are the people at the Olympics who scolded us about how great contest skateboarding was for inclusion? Fuck contests and fuck taking them seriously.
Go film a part and skate together rather than against each other.
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Go check out this TERF girl's IG and then compare it to the stuff Rayssa is doing, she has no right to bitch about losing a contest lmao https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
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Go check out this TERF girl's IG and then compare it to the stuff Rayssa is doing, she has no right to bitch about losing a contest lmao https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
‘buT iM a WORld cLaSs pRoFEsionAl skAtEbOrDEr…’
Hope KOTY keeps getting smoked on those 5 stair rails. I’ll watch those clips all day.
Side note: Congrats Rayssa on going pro and that back lip is heavy as hell.
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That back lip is incredible.
I dream of being able to back lip my tiny flatbar that I skate in my driveway like a fat 12 year old.
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The difference is, our (the left) hatred is rooted in disgust at the oppression of others. Fueled by compassion and outrage. The rights hatred is rooted in the differences of others. Fueled by ignorance and zealousness.
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I kinda started rooting for the Robots once I saw those dirty ravers.
The only Zion I give a fuck about is that one with the dope rave in The Matrix.
Or if Zion Williamson goes to the Knicks somehow.
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Piers Morgan is made almost entirely out of pressed together slices of cooked ham, if you trace his ancestral lineage back far enough you reach a sort of boar like creature
piers boargan
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https://youtu.be/gx8CuoJTOMk
Dumb data even posting about this. I'm honestly at a loss for words this Taylor chick sucks.
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Hilary shanks, mamaskate, this girl... mediocre white women are the worst thing to happen to skateboarding
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
lmao, ok
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This is a back in the day post so apologies
But when the fuck did skateboarders start taking themselves so seriously? Bringing money into all of it sucks. Yeah a few are better off but at what price? Piers fucking Morgan having a say? Fuck that.
Back in the day (told you) skateboarding was a refuge for a lot of damaged people (and plenty of non damaged people). It was us against the world, and if you rode a skateboard you were family - you either were a skateboarder or you weren’t,regardless. I loved the fact that it was properly inclusive - no isms.
Back in the day that young lady, who has probably had more than enough to deal with, would have been family. We’d have had her back and skateboarding would have been her safe space just as it was ours
Scroll forward and this shit is happening? Well the complainer doesn’t get it. She may ride a skateboard but she isn’t a skater. Disgusting
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
No need to argue with this angry mob ;) trying to discuss the topic gets you labeled a transphobe
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https://youtu.be/72OKr3KqWpY
Great now I feel sick
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Fuckin hell.. Piers Morgan.. the biggest sack of Tory&gammon shite ever. Imagine resorting to him.
Sad stuff.
Also Taylor you can’t compete with women cos your surname ends in man.
How about that?
Get fucked.
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Sad to see there's still so many pepethefrog-loving incel dumbass rightwing shitheads on this forum unafraid to spout their mental garbage. Fuck all of you who let that slide. I stand with those who oppose that even if they might go a little overboard, sometimes you just gotta hit a punching bag twice. Needed to be said. The fact that there's even a discussion about this topic on here instead of unified ridicule of this shit for brains Karen is embarrassing.
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She may ride a skateboard but she isn’t a skater. Disgusting
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it's absolutely fucked that gallagher had to turn off all her social media profiles apparently to protect herself, while this taylor whatshername now gets championed and funded by the worst talking heads and publications on the internet.
the whole thing gives me nausea. you can't make shit like this up.
i'm so sorry this happened to gallagher and i hope she has a good network around her to keep her safe and keep her morale up. it's gonna be tough now mentally to enter any competition, going public with footage or even just keeping any form of social media profile running.
another thing that becomes very clear is that right wingers have this strange super power that we need to figure out how to break, which is to thrive from hate. they incite hateful campaigns in the first place, then get a backlash, and then successfully victimize themselves and usually try everything to get paid along the way. great, now everytime this woman fails at a competition she will be compensated by her right wing simps. she's gonna be the right wings token anti woke skateboarding woman if her plan pans out. it's absolutely depressing.
Like the left don’t incite anything? Don’t thrive on their own hate? Victimize themselves? Bruh you sound fucking stupid.
go fuck yourself you bitchass motherfucker first of all
the left sometimes does the same shit, no doubt, but this chick uses the right wing media to make some sort of martyr of herself. if you support her then quit skating you bootlicking fuck.
Frank. You’re a fucking Bitch. Please read what you wrote and reread what you replied to me. Never said I support her. Just pointed out your claims about the “right”. I’ve never picked a side but I’m just pointing out your finger pointing of one side. See how quick you you were to start getting enraged? You are what is wrong with todays world and have proved it. You’re just as bad as this chick even though you think you’re doing some sort of fucking justice.
No need to argue with this angry mob ;) trying to discuss the topic gets you labeled a transphobe
i am a single person, not a mob and i dont need to discuss everything out with every other fuckwit like you or stoopididiot2.0. sometimes i just draw a line in the sand and thats that. im fine if you think i'm a dumb sjw leftist kook. if it's fuck you then the feeling is mutual.
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This is a back in the day post so apologies
But when the fuck did skateboarders start taking themselves so seriously? Bringing money into all of it sucks. Yeah a few are better off but at what price? Piers fucking Morgan having a say? Fuck that.
Back in the day (told you) skateboarding was a refuge for a lot of damaged people (and plenty of non damaged people). It was us against the world, and if you rode a skateboard you were family - you either were a skateboarder or you weren’t,regardless. I loved the fact that it was properly inclusive - no isms.
Back in the day that young lady, who has probably had more than enough to deal with, would have been family. We’d have had her back and skateboarding would have been her safe space just as it was ours
Scroll forward and this shit is happening? Well the complainer doesn’t get it. She may ride a skateboard but she isn’t a skater. Disgusting
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That piers morgan thing is disgusting. shame on them for using pictures of the woman who is being called out too.
taylor then goes to say this isn’t about the other skater. Bitch you are calling her out.
imagine losing a contest and then thinking it’s cause of biological differences when person is skinny as fuck and smaller than you.
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"there's an inarguable physical advantage"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
Thanks Rayssa for existing
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I kinda started rooting for the Robots once I saw those dirty ravers.
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The only Zion I give a fuck about is that one with the dope rave in The Matrix.
Or if Zion Williamson goes to the Knicks somehow.
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imagine losing a contest and then thinking it’s cause of biological differences when person is skinny as fuck and smaller than you. about it at all.
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Seems appropriate for KOTY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ANJ9b4gJHrg
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Seems appropriate for KOTY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ANJ9b4gJHrg
fuck'n a
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when the fuck did skateboarders start taking themselves so seriously? Bringing money into all of it sucks. Yeah a few are better off but at what price? Piers fucking Morgan having a say? Fuck that.
Real shit. This is a competitive sports issue, not a skateboarding issue. In a more ideal world skateboarding would be something else entirely. Getting dipshits like Morgan and Shapiro involved in skateboarding is about the same as calling cops on someone skating a street spot. Snitch shit. Even if you’re not down with supporting trans competitors you should be able to see why we don’t need political windbags getting involved in our sport.
… but you should also support trans competitors, imo, because they are sending the whole corporate competitive sports world into conniption fits. That’s kind of a good thing if you like skating more than competition. Fuck those corporate mfs
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Umm I don’t think this is a political issue. Silverman has valid point I think. Nora brought up something in her nine club about how a women’s brain once they hit puberty becomes hardwired to minimize risk and protect the body for the primal necessity of reproduction. Where born males brains don’t do this. In an activity like skateboarding it is hugely overcoming fear and risking physical injury so there in itself is an advantage to being born male in skateboarding. Not to mention the difference in bone density and muscle mass between biological males and females. Competition should be fair and I don’t agree with a born male competing against born females. A trans division wouldn’t be a bad idea but I’m not sure how trans people would feel about that. Murky issue… I hope people would think objectively and not so much politically about things like this.
Everyone should be able to express the way they feel inside ❤️
Yes we know about the bone density from the last 10 dudes that made the exact same comment as you.
Also we're quoting the nine club for our neural science now? That's great too, you're doing awesome.
I feel like this thread hasn't been about "skate news, skate gossip and general skate talk" for the last many pages and it should either be closed or put in general discussion?
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Umm I don’t think this is a political issue. Silverman has valid point I think. Nora brought up something in her nine club about how a women’s brain once they hit puberty becomes hardwired to minimize risk and protect the body for the primal necessity of reproduction. Where born males brains don’t do this. In an activity like skateboarding it is hugely overcoming fear and risking physical injury so there in itself is an advantage to being born male in skateboarding. Not to mention the difference in bone density and muscle mass between biological males and females. Competition should be fair and I don’t agree with a born male competing against born females. A trans division wouldn’t be a bad idea but I’m not sure how trans people would feel about that. Murky issue… I hope people would think objectively and not so much politically about things like this.
Everyone should be able to express the way they feel inside ❤️
there is no real fairness in competition sports. people of all body types and genetics compete against eachother. some professionals get extensive training and funding while others dont. it's a lie that competitive sports are absolutely fair.
also im male but im small and skinny. im shorter than most women and probably weaker than most woman that train in any way. most males are naturally taller and more muscular than me.
would i have grounds to complain about my contest placement if i straight suck at skating. after all it's not fair...
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Umm I don’t think this is a political issue. Silverman has valid point I think. Nora brought up something in her nine club about how a women’s brain once they hit puberty becomes hardwired to minimize risk and protect the body for the primal necessity of reproduction. Where born males brains don’t do this. In an activity like skateboarding it is hugely overcoming fear and risking physical injury so there in itself is an advantage to being born male in skateboarding. Not to mention the difference in bone density and muscle mass between biological males and females. Competition should be fair and I don’t agree with a born male competing against born females. A trans division wouldn’t be a bad idea but I’m not sure how trans people would feel about that. Murky issue… I hope people would think objectively and not so much politically about things like this.
Everyone should be able to express the way they feel inside ❤️
You have a lot to learn, I feel like. It’s definitely become a political issue and citing things you learned on Nine Club like it’s science and twisting Nora’s words around to make her comments seem to support an anti-trans argument is beyond tone deaf. Just because you dont have a strong stance on an issue and feel it’s murky doesnt mean you get to invalidate all the other opinions in this thread to the contrary. Even suggesting Silverman’s stance isnt completely self serving and an act of public shaming of their trans competitor (who she unwillingly thrust into the limelight with this whole charade) is ludicrous. Why does everyone think this competition is a big issue? Why does competition need to be 100 percent fair? Should it take into account how many resources each rider has had access to, how long theyve competed, their weight too? Gender isnt something completely decided at birth, and if Taylor wasnt down with this she shouldnt have competed. She is the only one who cared about this issue in skating altogether up til this point, and its because it directly impacted her pocket book. She is so in the wrong here, to suggest otherwise is actually blasphemous. Competition should be about putting our society’s ideals on display. Including acceptance of trans competitors as the genders they assign themselves.
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let’s not bring blasphemy into it as religion is the one thing slap debate club has managed to not discuss in this thread
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Did these gobshites defending her see the post that she placed second in a men's competition (amateur or some bullshit) ? This is nothing more that a desperate 15mins to fame. The average 16 year old girl around here is a thousand times better than this clown.
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let’s not bring blasphemy into it as religion is the one thing slap debate club has managed to not discuss in this thread
Ooooh… Did you miss the anti Zionist/anti Semetic debate that took up a good few pages? ;)
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Umm I don’t think this is a political issue. Silverman has valid point I think. Nora brought up something in her nine club about how a women’s brain once they hit puberty becomes hardwired to minimize risk and protect the body for the primal necessity of reproduction. Where born males brains don’t do this. In an activity like skateboarding it is hugely overcoming fear and risking physical injury so there in itself is an advantage to being born male in skateboarding. Not to mention the difference in bone density and muscle mass between biological males and females. Competition should be fair and I don’t agree with a born male competing against born females. A trans division wouldn’t be a bad idea but I’m not sure how trans people would feel about that. Murky issue… I hope people would think objectively and not so much politically about things like this.
Everyone should be able to express the way they feel inside ❤️
I want to be done here but now feel some responsibility to respond to this.
As it turns out, this thread is NOT about what you think it is about (which is what I thought it was about initially also).
I already took a similar position as you, and basically started the same way, with “ummmm, I think…..”. There is actually a much more serious and complicated issue here than male-born athletes competing in women’s sporting events, and the differences between male and female. Someone else tried steering me away from my talking points also but I was too ignorant to heed the warning at the time.
EDIT - Did you thoughtfully read all 20+ pages of this thread? If you had, I don’t think you would be making the statement you are making. I do appreciate your closing remark though; THAT is what this thread is about.
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conflating palestinian statehood with religion is gross, don’t wink at me
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Umm I don’t think this is a political issue. Silverman has valid point I think. Nora brought up something in her nine club about how a women’s brain once they hit puberty becomes hardwired to minimize risk and protect the body for the primal necessity of reproduction. Where born males brains don’t do this. In an activity like skateboarding it is hugely overcoming fear and risking physical injury so there in itself is an advantage to being born male in skateboarding. Not to mention the difference in bone density and muscle mass between biological males and females. Competition should be fair and I don’t agree with a born male competing against born females. A trans division wouldn’t be a bad idea but I’m not sure how trans people would feel about that. Murky issue… I hope people would think objectively and not so much politically about things like this.
Everyone should be able to express the way they feel inside ❤️
I might be reaching here and this doesn't go into specifics but this article talks about, while not necessarily being a perfect example of a woman's brain, trans women tend to have a brain structure more similar to their experienced gender than a typical mans.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/#:~:text=Male%20and%20female%20brains%20are,similar%20to%20their%20experienced%20gender.
You're also quoting Nora who was the first big pro to speak up against the person complaining...
As for the physical stuff:
Trans women have larger frames, which are now being powered by reduced muscle mass and reduced aerobic capacity, and that can lead to disadvantages in things like quickness, recovery endurance, and things that might not be quite as obvious as seeing somebody bigger.
https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20210715/do-trans-women-athletes-have-advantages
This doesn't come across advantageous to me. As for bone density, does that really matter when the girl that's complaining was the only one on the podium wearing full pads in a street based contest? Or when the biggest obstacle is like a 3 flat 3? Feel free to take all of this with a grain of salt, I don't consider skateboarding a sport.
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"there's an inarguable physical advantage"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
Thanks Rayssa for existing
You realize there is no difference between boys and girls hormonally until after puberty right? The hormones ,(testosterone), that affect physical differences occur after puberty. So maybe all contests should occur before puberty hits so it’s even huh?
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why not put everyone together in the same contests and see how many people get upset they can’t win anything that we’re previously winning often with the separation. There is no solution and this post should self destruct
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Women’s pro tennis handled this shit in the 70’s…….boy have we come along way…
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You know someone has a really good point when they need ben shapiro, tim pool and piers morgan to back it up
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let’s not bring blasphemy into it as religion is the one thing slap debate club has managed to not discuss in this thread
conflating palestinian statehood with religion is gross, don’t wink at me
Regardless of your take on Palestinian statehood, about which I took NO position at any time, I am of the opinion that Judaism and Islam are both still religions (last tim I checked) and bringing topics like Israeli Zionist policies, Muslim views on LGBTQ+ people, and things of this nature into the convo constitute discussion, at least in part, of religion, and/or aspects there of.
Apologies if that led to confusion.
Have another wink, by the way. ;)
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only if you have 0 understanding of state power, statecraft, and the historical events of the last 120-150 years i guess. leave it to some white californian to reduce it to “jews and muslims don’t like each other”. leave the winks to clever people big dog
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only if you have 0 understanding of state power, statecraft, and the historical events of the last 120-150 years i guess. leave it to some white californian to reduce it to “jews and muslims don’t like each other”. leave the winks to clever people big dog
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Where's all the contest skaters telling me how contest skateboarding was creating a more welcoming environment compared to street skating :o
I like street skateboarding where this shit isn't even a concern. Are you having fun? Are you cool? Awesome. Keep doing it.
bigtime
contest skaters lol
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I don't want to further pile on this woman but damn her take is trash, just like her skating.
Standing in primo position for 5 minutes adjusting your feet only to flip down to some lame disaster or whatever on a 4ft quarter? No thanks.
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Nora shared this in her stories on insta
https://anthonypappalardo.substack.com/p/goddamn-it-lets-talk-about-taylor?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct
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Always enjoy reading his stuff.
Not sure why him and the Gifted Haters of this world treat Slap like Voldemort. They're obviously on here a bunch. It seems to me a lot of us here are in their camp (in this case anyway), too. Oh well.
Did a search but couldn't find a Slap Forum Appreciation thread. A little masturbatory perhaps. But I've been here well over fifteen years. Big part of the culture and I really like this place.
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Always enjoy reading his stuff.
Not sure why him and the Gifted Haters of this world treat Slap like Voldemort. They're obviously on here a bunch. It seems to me a lot of us here are in their camp (in this case anyway), too. Oh well.
Did a search but couldn't find a Slap Forum Appreciation thread. A little masturbatory perhaps. But I've been here well over fifteen years. Big part of the culture and I really like this place.
That thread you are looking for definitely exists here, or at least it did. I think about it a lot. Will post it here if I can find it.
EDIT: Et voilà: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=111403.0
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She is in the right, this is turning into Idiocracy. Men and women are built different biologically, there is no changing that. A biological male entered a biological female contest and won unfairly. I completely understand why she is upset and its crazy that she is getting backlash and being called transphobic. There seems to be enough trans in skating/sports now to where they can have their own category. Also if men and women are built the same physically then why are no trans men in any men's professional sports? There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though, I bet all those actual girls who have worked hard there whole life and don't want to have to take performance enhancing drugs to win are pissed off but have to stay silent due to the idiotic drama and backlash that could come from speaking out.
You'll be canceled here for ths.
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She is in the right, this is turning into Idiocracy. Men and women are built different biologically, there is no changing that. A biological male entered a biological female contest and won unfairly. I completely understand why she is upset and its crazy that she is getting backlash and being called transphobic. There seems to be enough trans in skating/sports now to where they can have their own category. Also if men and women are built the same physically then why are no trans men in any men's professional sports? There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though, I bet all those actual girls who have worked hard there whole life and don't want to have to take performance enhancing drugs to win are pissed off but have to stay silent due to the idiotic drama and backlash that could come from speaking out.
Shut the fuck up
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She is in the right, this is turning into Idiocracy. Men and women are built different biologically, there is no changing that. A biological male entered a biological female contest and won unfairly. I completely understand why she is upset and its crazy that she is getting backlash and being called transphobic. There seems to be enough trans in skating/sports now to where they can have their own category. Also if men and women are built the same physically then why are no trans men in any men's professional sports? There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though, I bet all those actual girls who have worked hard there whole life and don't want to have to take performance enhancing drugs to win are pissed off but have to stay silent due to the idiotic drama and backlash that could come from speaking out.
Can we get with the program and let women speak for themselves instead of assuming for them? I'm sure they would appreciate it a lot more than people like you and Taylor throwing trans people under the bus for literally existing and entering a contest that they qualify for.
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She is in the right, this is turning into Idiocracy. Men and women are built different biologically, there is no changing that. A biological male entered a biological female contest and won unfairly. I completely understand why she is upset and its crazy that she is getting backlash and being called transphobic. There seems to be enough trans in skating/sports now to where they can have their own category. Also if men and women are built the same physically then why are no trans men in any men's professional sports? There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though, I bet all those actual girls who have worked hard there whole life and don't want to have to take performance enhancing drugs to win are pissed off but have to stay silent due to the idiotic drama and backlash that could come from speaking out.
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She is in the right, this is turning into Idiocracy. Men and women are built different biologically, there is no changing that. A biological male entered a biological female contest and won unfairly. I completely understand why she is upset and its crazy that she is getting backlash and being called transphobic. There seems to be enough trans in skating/sports now to where they can have their own category. Also if men and women are built the same physically then why are no trans men in any men's professional sports? There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though, I bet all those actual girls who have worked hard there whole life and don't want to have to take performance enhancing drugs to win are pissed off but have to stay silent due to the idiotic drama and backlash that could come from speaking out.
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She is in the right, this is turning into Idiocracy. Men and women are built different biologically, there is no changing that. A biological male entered a biological female contest and won unfairly. I completely understand why she is upset and its crazy that she is getting backlash and being called transphobic. There seems to be enough trans in skating/sports now to where they can have their own category. Also if men and women are built the same physically then why are no trans men in any men's professional sports? There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though, I bet all those actual girls who have worked hard there whole life and don't want to have to take performance enhancing drugs to win are pissed off but have to stay silent due to the idiotic drama and backlash that could come from speaking out.
You trolls need to write more entertaining stuff at least
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There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though…
I’m gonna need some citations here.
Please name any sporting category where more than one trans woman occupies a top 10 position in (current, OR past) standings.
I’ll be waiting over here for your response while you frantically search the internet in vain for any shred of evidence that this matters in a consequential way.
Beyond depriving a sore loser of her unearned prize money, that is.
Still here. Find anything yet?
Hmmm… that’s what I thought.
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Nora shared this in her stories on insta
https://anthonypappalardo.substack.com/p/goddamn-it-lets-talk-about-taylor?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct
This passage got me thinking:
Lastly, some people suggested a ridiculous solution for Taylor’s plight. That proposition was to segregate skateboarding further and have a “Trans Division.” Not only is that extremely problematic—I’m thinking of the Negro Leagues in baseball that lasted into the 1950s as one example—and further alienates and dehumanizes the trans community.
Is this a commonly held belief? I’ll be honest, Ive always thought a trans division could be a solution to this whole conundrum. I’ve avoided voicing it however because I don’t think it’s really my place to say. I could do without contest skating in general and mostly I think trans people deserve to make their own call on this issue. They don’t need my ass weighing in.
But here I am weighing in anyway: the key to me would be that a trans division only works, at least on the big budget sports level, if trans athletes are actually on board, and able to steer it themselves, and most crucially, getting comparable support from sponsors etc. That’s a tall ass order these days, however, since corporate sponsors talk a big game about diversity but I don’t think they really mean it. The obvious answer, again, is “fuck competitive skateboarding”… but don’t trans skaters deserve equal opportunities to make careers out of being contest kooks?
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Always enjoy reading his stuff.
Not sure why him and the Gifted Haters of this world treat Slap like Voldemort. They're obviously on here a bunch. It seems to me a lot of us here are in their camp (in this case anyway), too. Oh well.
Did a search but couldn't find a Slap Forum Appreciation thread. A little masturbatory perhaps. But I've been here well over fifteen years. Big part of the culture and I really like this place.
That thread you are looking for definitely exists here, or at least it did. I think about it a lot. Will post it here if I can find it.
EDIT: Et voilà: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=111403.0
Ah, right you are. Thanks!
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
Very well said. Respect.
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Yeah I appreciate the insight, thanks. Would still be curious to hear what more trans athletes think. Sometimes people in marginalized groups actually prefer to have a space of their own. One really sad aspect of all this is that there is so much anti trans hatred and hysteria out there that it prevents a lot of trans people from feeling safe speaking up for themselves. Like how the woman who got first in this comp had to go private. That shit sucks.
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Yeah I appreciate the insight, thanks. Would still be curious to hear what more trans athletes think. Sometimes people in marginalized groups actually prefer to have a space of their own. One really sad aspect of all this is that there is so much anti trans hatred and hysteria out there that it prevents a lot of trans people from feeling safe speaking up for themselves. Like how the woman who got first in this comp had to go private. That shit sucks.
Having separate events for trans people would just reify the transphobic idea that we aren't real men or women. I stand by my suggestion from earlier:
Ok here's an elegant solution for everyone. People that don't want to compete against trans skaters can have their own 'cissy heats' and then we pelt them with rocks
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This isn’t that hard of a conversation. She did less cool shit, it doesn’t have to do with “men being biologically better” at sports. If I entered a contest with Rayessa I’d get stomped despite skating longer than she’s been alive. It comes down to skill and the work you put in, Taylor hasn’t put in the work she thinks she has and for that gets second place for her basic run with a spattering of tricks your dad from the 80s would get hyped on
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Plus, Lia Thomas placed dead last in her final race. There’s clearly not that much of a biological advantage.
If Rayssa or Nishiya Momiji competed in that same contest, this thread wouldn’t exist because Taylor and 1st place would’ve gotten smoked.
It’d be interesting to see how this competitive conundrum with trans athletes plays out in non-Western countries. Right now, it looks like it’s mainly a Western thing. I couldn’t imagine most Asian countries and definitely not any Middle Eastern countries making concessions, but I could be wrong.
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I think we have all reached a consensus that Taylor whatever absolutely sucks at skating and is a wingnut Karen kook.
These threads always turn into a discussion about the underlying "principles" or whatever and a bunch of people arguing about thought experiments ("what if x happened") or hypothetical scenarios and I don't even know if that's productive at all. Honestly, I have been on the wrong side of these discussions in the past (being that dude that's like "hmmmmmm i'm not sure, lets dig into this") and I seriously regret even putting that negative energy onto the boards and stoking these types of threads, because i feel like it's a bunch of straight dudes talking about it and it must be pretty patronizing and abrasive to read if you're an actual trans or queer person.
But one things for sure: this Taylor situation does not deserve another sentence written about it honestly and if this thread was locked and never spoken about it again, damn i'd be hyped. she sucks and is the absolute worst possible scenario and non-issue to be discussing due to her shit attitude and horrible skating.
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There are plenty trans women in women sports dominating though…
Please name any sporting category where more than one trans woman occupies a top 10 position in (current, OR past) standings.
Do not shoot the messenger:
Bloomfield High School transgender athlete Terry Miller, second from left, wins the final of the 55-meter dash over transgender athlete Andraya Yearwood, far left, and other runners in the Connecticut girls Class S indoor track meet at Hillhouse High School in New Haven, Conn., on Feb. 7, 2019
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna758 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna758)
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ffs piers fucking morgan. I am outraged.
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This isn’t that hard of a conversation. She did less cool shit, it doesn’t have to do with “men being biologically better” at sports. If I entered a contest with Rayessa I’d get stomped despite skating longer than she’s been alive. It comes down to skill and the work you put in, Taylor hasn’t put in the work she thinks she has and for that gets second place for her basic run with a spattering of tricks your dad from the 80s would get hyped on
Agree with 99% of this. I’m from the 80s and definitely not hyped on her tricks at all.
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Imma dingus who thinks there are no trans men in any men's professional sports, and I simp for content skaters. Notice me Tim Pool, uwu
https://www.thechrismosier.com/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/schuyler-bailar-transgender-swimmer-pride/
https://www.them.us/story/first-trans-pro-boxer-patricio-cacahuate-manuel-espn-interview
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Yeah I appreciate the insight, thanks. Would still be curious to hear what more trans athletes think. Sometimes people in marginalized groups actually prefer to have a space of their own. One really sad aspect of all this is that there is so much anti trans hatred and hysteria out there that it prevents a lot of trans people from feeling safe speaking up for themselves. Like how the woman who got first in this comp had to go private. That shit sucks.
Having separate events for trans people would just reify the transphobic idea that we aren't real men or women. I stand by my suggestion from earlier:
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Ok here's an elegant solution for everyone. People that don't want to compete against trans skaters can have their own 'cissy heats' and then we pelt them with rocks
Makes sense to me. Appreciate the response, hope I haven’t been bumming anyone out (unless they’re bigots… then I hope I totally bum em out ;D )
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This isn’t that hard of a conversation. She did less cool shit, it doesn’t have to do with “men being biologically better” at sports. If I entered a contest with Rayessa I’d get stomped despite skating longer than she’s been alive. It comes down to skill and the work you put in, Taylor hasn’t put in the work she thinks she has and for that gets second place for her basic run with a spattering of tricks your dad from the 80s would get hyped on
A lot of young guys go to H 16 and do shit just for the gram. If any amateur or joe do a back lip in 16, nobody give a fuck.
Skate is more complex than do hard shit. Style, trick selection, speed, clothes all these things counts. Self compare with Rayssa is a shit argument. I can compare Rayssa with Letucia and others girls...she is the best.
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When was the last time you made a huge fuss?
For me, twas the third grade spelling bee. I really wanted to win the match. I trained hard (AKA read the list of possible words, a lot). The first round was easy. Mrs. Thomas asking for words like "went" and "that". Mere child's play. Round 2, more of the same.it came down to me and Elizabeth "the Brain" Meyer. My baseball buds were cheering me on - I thought it was in the bag. Mrs Thomas gives me a word - sentence. "S E N T E N C E, sentence" I exclaimed only to get a "sit down please ". "What? I spelled it right". "No, you said S E N T E N S E", she says. "No, I didn't!". Even Elizabeth (who faced certain doom) backed me up on my reaction. The whole class did. Mrs. Thomas stood firm on her action. My first taste of injustice in this cruel world.
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When was the last time you made a huge fuss?
For me, twas the third grade spelling bee. I really wanted to win the match. I trained hard (AKA read the list of possible words, a lot). The first round was easy. Mrs. Thomas asking for words like "went" and "that". Mere child's play. Round 2, more of the same.it came down to me and Elizabeth "the Brain" Meyer. My baseball buds were cheering me on - I thought it was in the bag. Mrs Thomas gives me a word - sentence. "S E N T E N C E, sentence" I exclaimed only to get a "sit down please ". "What? I spelled it right". "No, you said S E N T E N S E", she says. "No, I didn't!". Even Elizabeth (who faced certain doom) backed me up on my reaction. The whole class did. Mrs. Thomas stood firm on her action. My first taste of injustice in this cruel world.
Thanks for the laughs pal. You wrote that awesome.
And I am sorry, if that story makes you sad or feel uncomfortable, but it is a good story.
Stay strong out there.
The last time I made a semi huge fuss, was last week.
I got a letter from the police in my post box.
Apparently, a cop saw me, that I didn't stop my car long enough at a stop sign and had to pay 10 bucks as penalty.
But it was like 2 in the morning and I didn't see any cops around. And I always stop at stop signs, but maybe just 2 seconds to short. But no way, there was a cop around me.
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We should test skaters for energy drinks and thc before entering contests as well
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This isn’t that hard of a conversation. She did less cool shit, it doesn’t have to do with “men being biologically better” at sports. If I entered a contest with Rayessa I’d get stomped despite skating longer than she’s been alive. It comes down to skill and the work you put in, Taylor hasn’t put in the work she thinks she has and for that gets second place for her basic run with a spattering of tricks your dad from the 80s would get hyped on
A lot of young guys go to H 16 and do shit just for the gram. If any amateur or joe do a back lip in 16, nobody give a fuck.
Skate is more complex than do hard shit. Style, trick selection, speed, clothes all these things counts. Self compare with Rayssa is a shit argument. I can compare Rayssa with Letucia and others girls...she is the best.
I don’t understand your point. Is it that style matters, because obviously, but also her style is also atrocious in comparison with any girl skater so if they were judging the contest for style and skill she should have been dead last
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Anthony Pappalardo wrote a very good article on this that is worth a read.
https://anthonypappalardo.substack.com/p/goddamn-it-lets-talk-about-taylor?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct
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to an extent i agree that in strength-based sports there should be a separate category for trans athletes.
but having gone on that girl's instagram, she's kind of dogshit at skating. no idea how she even got second
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to an extent i agree that in strength-based sports there should be a separate category for trans athletes.
but having gone on that girl's instagram, she's kind of dogshit at skating. no idea how she even got second
Why?
What is a strength based sport? Do you mean combat sports?
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
amen.
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I learned from the Pappallardo article that Red Bull has a senior sports manager named Erich Dummer.
I wonder why the “women can’t really skate like men can because they’re weaker” thing (which is always implied whenever the trans “problem” pops up) is still being discussed while in another thread on the same page a 14 year old girl back lips a 16 stair handrail, various girls of similar age do fat 540s in bowls, and tiny eight year old boys do handrail NBDs. Debate over.
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I learned from the Pappallardo article that Red Bull has a senior sports manager named Erich Dummer.
I wonder why the “women can’t really skate like men can because they’re weaker” thing (which is always implied whenever the trans “problem” pops up) is still being discussed while in another thread on the same page a 14 year old girl back lips a 16 stair handrail, various girls of similar age do fat 540s in bowls, and tiny eight year old boys do handrail NBDs. Debate over.
Because dumb. This threads gone 20+ pages more than necessary.
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to an extent i agree that in strength-based sports there should be a separate category for trans athletes.
but having gone on that girl's instagram, she's kind of dogshit at skating. no idea how she even got second
do explain
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I learned from the Pappallardo article that Red Bull has a senior sports manager named Erich Dummer.
I wonder why the “women can’t really skate like men can because they’re weaker” thing (which is always implied whenever the trans “problem” pops up) is still being discussed while in another thread on the same page a 14 year old girl back lips a 16 stair handrail, various girls of similar age do fat 540s in bowls, and tiny eight year old boys do handrail NBDs. Debate over.
When in the history of debates, arguments, or conversations has saying "debate over" ever actually ended a debate, argument, or conversation? It's just going to piss people off and make them dig in to their position.
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the thing about skating is whoever is having the most fun (with the lowest bone density) wins 8)
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OK, lady, you win. No trans people are allowed to compete in anything, ever.
Oh, and the official Red Bull Genital Inspectors will need you to drop your trousers before they'll let you skate. Standard procedure.
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I learned from the Pappallardo article that Red Bull has a senior sports manager named Erich Dummer.
I wonder why the “women can’t really skate like men can because they’re weaker” thing (which is always implied whenever the trans “problem” pops up) is still being discussed while in another thread on the same page a 14 year old girl back lips a 16 stair handrail, various girls of similar age do fat 540s in bowls, and tiny eight year old boys do handrail NBDs. Debate over.
I think the reason why the level of skating is higher for men, is because there are probably 50 times as many male skaters as there are female skaters.
This is a similar problem in chess, people assume female chess players are just not as good, when really its just the natural result of VASTLY more dudes playing the game, making up a bigger pool of talent to pull from.
I expect as more skaters of the other gender get into it, that gap will diminish.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
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Pants size division would be kind of sick though.
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How can we expect Venture riders and Ace riders to compete against each other for chrissakes?
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Pants size division would be kind of sick though.
They need to add a new section: Street, Park, Huckers - just huge drops people can ollie off of.
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Pants size division would be kind of sick though.
They need to add a new section: Street, Park, Huckers - just huge drops people can ollie off of.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
Knew this comment was coming and would be a gigantic reach with twisting everything I said unto some other shit. Again, let's keep virtue signaling and ignore the elephant in the room. This chick complaining is the worst again the setting of competition places limitations and restrictions that give it structure. I'm for the Tampa pro/am style where it's everybody myself.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
I’m not even gonna touch the original point about gender divisions or whatever, I’m just gonna point out that plenty of sports already have weight classes and other divisions beyond gender classes. I would be unironically psyched to watch comps divided into like height and weight classes. I wanna see who becomes boss of the lanky squad, as well as who is the dopest Thicc King/Queen
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
Knew this comment was coming and would be a gigantic reach with twisting everything I said unto some other shit. Again, let's keep virtue signaling and ignore the elephant in the room. This chick complaining is the worst again the setting of competition places limitations and restrictions that give it structure. I'm for the Tampa pro/am style where it's everybody myself.
If you’re trying to have a real conversation stop saying “virtue signaling”. “You all are fake” is not a good opener.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
Knew this comment was coming and would be a gigantic reach with twisting everything I said unto some other shit. Again, let's keep virtue signaling and ignore the elephant in the room. This chick complaining is the worst again the setting of competition places limitations and restrictions that give it structure. I'm for the Tampa pro/am style where it's everybody myself.
I had a real conversation and some facetious ass response followed.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
Knew this comment was coming and would be a gigantic reach with twisting everything I said unto some other shit. Again, let's keep virtue signaling and ignore the elephant in the room. This chick complaining is the worst again the setting of competition places limitations and restrictions that give it structure. I'm for the Tampa pro/am style where it's everybody myself.
I had a real conversation and some facetious ass response followed.
What is the implication of your comment? Like cool okay I'll stop virtue signalling (whatever that means), so now propose a solution that doesn't involve completely needlessly segregating individuals from the competition due to an advantage that you can't actually prove exists.
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"trans division" thing seems to just reinforce the idea that trans people aren't ~real~ women/men/etc. Also feel like a person shouldn't have to out themselves as trans just because some fucking dweebs don't want to lose to them. It's all just weird othering bs. The solution is that if someone is afraid that a trans person might smoke them in a comp - the transphobe can sit the fuck out.
That's basically what they did with alternative skateboarding in X games. Individuals with special needs still doing their thing and competing. A lot of people are making way more out of this than it really is. Everybody is a "real" person. Nobody isn't saying that there's a reason why cisgender adult men pop their tricks higher versus female counterparts. If we can put the virtue signaling on hold for 2 seconds a lot of the bullshit would subside. Everybody is welcome to enjoy and congregate in skateboarding but competition is where more rules and restrictions involved.
You're right. I suggest we have separate divisions not just for dividing cis and trans people, but also for height, weight, shoe size, hair length, deck size, years you've been skating, the number of boards you can ollie, maybe even a division where everyone that has the same best trick can compete against each other. We need to have rules and restrictions like you said. How good you are is irrelevant. We have to make sure it's a completely level playing field for every skateboarder because we don't want to have someone who can pop higher than someone else being called out online by someone with less pop.
Knew this comment was coming and would be a gigantic reach with twisting everything I said unto some other shit. Again, let's keep virtue signaling and ignore the elephant in the room. This chick complaining is the worst again the setting of competition places limitations and restrictions that give it structure. I'm for the Tampa pro/am style where it's everybody myself.
I had a real conversation and some facetious ass response followed.
You said “virtue signaling” twice already. No one is gonna take you seriously if you talk that way.
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to an extent i agree that in strength-based sports there should be a separate category for trans athletes.
but having gone on that girl's instagram, she's kind of dogshit at skating. no idea how she even got second
Why?
What is a strength based sport? Do you mean combat sports?
i haven't researched this so i may be completely wrong, feel free to educate me if that's the case.
combat sports definitely apply, as do weightlifting, sprint/endurance running, etc. i have nothing against trans people of any kind, but it's undeniable that there are biological differences regardless of identity; someone biologically male is likely to be physically stronger, have a bulkier 'build', and be able to build muscle faster.
this of course IS irrelevant to skating contests, though it differs in other fields.
please don't mistake my opinion for transphobia, as i am merely going off what feels reasonable with minimal knowledge
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There shouldn’t even be gender/sex based divisions in skate comps anyways
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People are so dumb to post stuff like this. There was no good outcome. Should have realistically thought "Is red bull going to take away prize money and ban trans competitors from entering womens?" I think that was a MASSIVE stretch to think that actually would have happened. Just think things through for like 10 seconds and you could come to that conclusion.
Men are more competitive than women at high levels is kind of why it seems like Men have this Advantage in skating. In Street Fighter, we dont have different men and womens divisions, but there are a few female players who rise above and compete with some of the best men. Also, there is a French Soul Caliber player Kayane who has proved she is even better than most men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayane#:~:text=Marie%2DLaure%20Norindr%20(born%2017,been%20playing%20competitively%20since%202001.
I have also read about Scrabble tournaments. Generally women are much better than men in language skills, but men still seem to dominate scrabble tournaments for the most part just because I think there are more degenerate men out there who are willing to sink the time into something so hard to out-do the next mans. That is ultimtaely what competitive environments boil down to. There will alwys be salt when money is involved thats why a lot of people choose not to get invovled. look at all the bigotry and racism created as a result. and to think on the flip side i wonder how stoked that trans skater was when she won that contest and now for it all to be soured by salt.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdy30iLlKBB/
Something similar happened in surfing recently.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdy30iLlKBB/
Something similar happened in surfing recently.
Wonder how he got that black eye. Also 666 likes ahhhhh scary
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Kinda think it should be down to the woman to decide, who competes in their divisions, not guys... what do most girls think about it?
Anyway, all I actually know is that Taylor Silverman deserves wheelbite in the rain and nothing more. She is almost the polar opposite of a skateboarder.
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It’d be interesting to see how this would play out in the WNBA. If a full Juwanna Mann scenario actually happened, would people be cool with it or would they cry foul?
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and call this a far-fetched hypothetical.
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Complaining to Piers Morgan about a local contest result is what skateboarding is about.
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It’d be interesting to see how this would play out in the WNBA. If a full Juwanna Mann scenario actually happened, would people be cool with it or would they cry foul?
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Since we’re doing dumb hypotheticals let’s discuss. The man considering this I assume be able to look up median salary for the two leagues- median salary in the WNBA is around $120k with the highest paid making around double that. We’ll just ignore endorsements since I don’t think any company wants to be endorsed by someone doing this.
By contrast the median salary in the NBA is $4 million. So Juwanna Man’s best option is to be a scrub in the NBA, if they can. If they can’t, I would guess that playing international ball is better- salary is competitive with the WNBA and they might get some extra endorsement money.
But say they’re not good enough for either option- is WNBA so much worse than men’s basketball that a scrub who can’t make more than a couple hundred thousand in international ball is gonna dominate womens just on account of gender? I doubt that.
So Juwanna Man is gonna be a running joke worldwide for the privilege of making some not incredible salary in the WNBA. It’s a wonder why no one has tried this yet.
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By contrast the median salary in the NBA is $4 million. So Juwanna Man’s best option is to be a scrub in the NBA, if they can. If they can’t, I would guess that playing international ball is better- salary is competitive with the WNBA and they might get some extra endorsement money.
But say they’re not good enough for either option- is WNBA so much worse than men’s basketball that a scrub who can’t make more than a couple hundred thousand in international ball is gonna dominate womens just on account of gender? I doubt that.
So Juwanna Man is gonna be a running joke worldwide for the privilege of making some not incredible salary in the WNBA. It’s a wonder why no one has tried this yet.
For the record, women’s hoops has always been far more fundamentally-sound and I’ve never known females to be turned away from pickup games if they can ball. The playing field, to me, is level there.
Sure they might not be catching as many lobs, but women’s hoops is more of a basketball purist’s game.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8CEs0FI0J0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8CEs0FI0J0
just reinforces that taylor knew who she was up against, competed anyway, lost, then complained.
dumb
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please don't mistake my opinion for transphobia, as i am merely going off what feels reasonable with minimal knowledge
I don't think you're a transphobe, i was asking those questions to illustrate my point. There are very clear reasons why we have separate leagues, and none of them have to do with trans people.
People can say that all women are women as much as they want, and people can identify as whatever they want, but none of that changes or affects the reasons that we separated the leagues in the first place. It just sucks that people can't be more honest about these things.
People perceive this as trans people just trying to get easy wins/money, but i dont think its like that at all. I feel like its just them trying to be who they identify as, and assimilate into that gender. I don't think anyone would care if a trans man was trying to compete in mens sports. How many trans men are able to compete at higher levels in mens sports?
This Taylor Chick does kinda seem like a kook though. Tim Pool is a fucking turbo kook. He seems like the type of guy to ride his trucks with like 6 threads showing.
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Okay now y'all are just beating a dead Mikey.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8CEs0FI0J0
So she went from, "I can't speak for anyone else" to all of a sudden she talked to "hundreds of people in the skate community" and 100% of them agreed? Riiiiiiiight ::)
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Heckride in the Holy Land!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CdBSHJTjWyz/?hl=en
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Went to faux news wondering if she'd be on there and yup...
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/female-skateboarder-trans-competitor-future-daughters
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Went to faux news wondering if she'd be on there and yup...
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/female-skateboarder-trans-competitor-future-daughters
“Silverman discussed the discomfort and fear of being blackballed that she’s been dealing with since speaking out”
Yeah, when you don’t even have a shop sponsor at 27, being blackballed by the industry definitely seems like the thing you should be worried about
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Man. Bringing this “problem” to sensationalist news outlets that find content to feed into their predetermined narrative isn’t a way to have a discussion.
Silverman brought this discussion to Instagram, where people are having the discussion. She opened the discussion up to that public forum and is upset It’s not going her way. All for what a measly sum of money.
The interviewer keeps saying that we can’t even have a discussion but there is a discussion happening. Not just what you want to hear. The interviewer sort of avoids having an opinion on the matter by focusing on the issues of a free discussion. Man this chick is a kook. Calling skateboarding a sport and discussing the issue on national news chains that have nothing to do with skateboarding is a huge low. Real thick headed and seems ready to die on her hill as she reiterates her point and doesn’t seem open to any sort of information that doesn’t favor her talking point.
She went on some weird shit about her children (what does that have to do with anything) The hundreds of skaters that agree. Some other wild stuff was said holy shit.
Edit: what was up with the smear campaign comment? That sounded sort of paranoid. She also brought this to the attention of mass media. Weird ass conservative outlets too.
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Is there any footage of female skaters doing tricks over picnic tables on flat?
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Is there any footage of female skaters doing tricks over picnic tables on flat?
Not sure but here’s a 14 year old back lipping Hollywood 16. Of course there are capabilities of different people, sizes, shapes. The girl currently parading around her woes is just an awful skater getting found out. A dying breed, her side hustle being swiped by a trans person should be the least of her worries. Soon she’ll be avoiding 9 year old girls at the skatepark asking her for games of s.k.a.t.e because they know she’s easy prey. It sucks to feel dated and untalented but that’s just skating for most people after their late 20s.
http://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Man. Bringing this “problem” to sensationalist news outlets that find content to feed into their predetermined narrative isn’t a way to have a discussion.
Silverman brought this discussion to Instagram, where people are having the discussion. She opened the discussion up to that public forum and is upset It’s not going her way. All for what a measly sum of money.
The interviewer keeps saying that we can’t even have a discussion but there is a discussion happening. Not just what you want to hear. The interviewer sort of avoids having an opinion on the matter by focusing on the issues of a free discussion. Man this chick is a kook. Calling skateboarding a sport and discussing the issue on national news chains that have nothing to do with skateboarding is a huge low. Real thick headed and seems ready to die on her hill as she reiterates her point and doesn’t seem open to any sort of information that doesn’t favor her talking point.
She went on some weird shit about her children (what does that have to do with anything) The hundreds of skaters that agree. Some other wild stuff was said holy shit.
Edit: what was up with the smear campaign comment? That sounded sort of paranoid. She also brought this to the attention of mass media. Weird ass conservative outlets too.
Yup, delusions of grandeur
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Haven’t been following this thread but it’s fascinating watching an instagram skater rise from average 3k to 15k follower Alt Right media darling in a week. Gotta wonder if she’ll be addicted to the fame and branch out to more insanity hot takes to stay relevant or will fade back to obscurity after the 15 minutes and continue being an extremely mediocre skater
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Haven’t been following this thread but it’s fascinating watching an instagram skater rise from average 3k to 15k follower Alt Right media darling in a week. Gotta wonder if she’ll be addicted to the fame and branch out to more insanity hot takes to stay relevant or will fade back to obscurity after the 15 minutes and continue being an extremely mediocre skater
she's gotten basically no attention from any "core" skate brand so I'd imagine she's going to fade into obscurity as far as the skateboarding world is concerned. maybe she competes in some dumb contest funded by tim pool and ben shapiro called like The Skeptical Skateboard Competition and steven crowder interviews all the skaters
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She can fuck off with that Anne Frank quote. Everyone she tagged in her OG post and got to back her up would've been the ones supporting concentration camps.
I doubt any "core" brand would fuck with her now regardless of her lack of skill.
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Haven’t been following this thread but it’s fascinating watching an instagram skater rise from average 3k to 15k follower Alt Right media darling in a week. Gotta wonder if she’ll be addicted to the fame and branch out to more insanity hot takes to stay relevant or will fade back to obscurity after the 15 minutes and continue being an extremely mediocre skater
Good question.
In terms of the present, she said in her “Dont @ Me” interview with Dan Dakich she has a week full of podcasts and YouTube collaborations ahead.
Maybe she’s Nine Club’s next guest?
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Is there any footage of female skaters doing tricks over picnic tables on flat?
Soon, fucker
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I’m still waiting for somebody that knows what they’re talking about to speak up.
I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
Taylor’s path and right wing media really aren’t the resources that are useful for finding an answer that Taylor supposedly seeks. As piers Morgan has said, women are inferior physically and Taylor nods and agrees to perpetuate her beliefs. Seems like tory hierarchical bullshit. Seems kinda shitty that Red Bull is dodging the issue instead of standing up for trans women as well. They can tell her no.
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I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-nPVCgcqOM
This is an interesting listen if you have the time. It may answer some of your questions. It's about sports not skateboarding though.
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http://youtu.be/C6zjYulF7V0
Rad.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Cdy30iLlKBB/
Something similar happened in surfing recently.
I can’t wait this this mentality is gone. The don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Congratulations to the woman who won that surf contest.
Congratulations Sasha
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I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-nPVCgcqOM
This is an interesting listen if you have the time. It may answer some of your questions. It's about sports not skateboarding though.
Cool thanks. I’ll give it a listen
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Is there any footage of female skaters doing tricks over picnic tables on flat?
This comment has big Gipper energy
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=92642.0
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Pls kook me harder daddy! ;) Must be your Daily Routine haha
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I feel bad that she is this delusional, I hope she gets the help she needs.
slikk slikk
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Nora for insta SOTY
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"My situation of broadcasting my grievances about LGBT people existing in my world on TV for the whole world to see and getting lots of positive attention from lots of right-wing neo-fascist media is EXACTLY the same as a little girl hiding inside her home hoping no one would find her as a right-wing/fascist party killed people similar to her and LGBT people. Anne I know exactly how you felt. Thank God for people like Piers Morgan and Alex Jones and Steve Bannon."
I've been reluctant to mention this but the Anne Frank quote is bothersome.
She has born-again vibes written all over her and her IG seems like it was groomed to present a simple narrative "good religious woman just wants to enjoy sport" as she gets her life back on track post-chest tattoo and cocaine fueled craziness.
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https://youtu.be/2ATrvUQYUHw
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https://youtu.be/2ATrvUQYUHw
I got 1 sec in, saw prageru logo, and left.
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Queen shit
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Could see her on Nice Club.
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Not sure but here’s a 14 year old back lipping Hollywood 16. Of course there are capabilities of different people, sizes, shapes. The girl currently parading around her woes is just an awful skater getting found out. A dying breed, her side hustle being swiped by a trans person should be the least of her worries. Soon she’ll be avoiding 9 year old girls at the skatepark asking her for games of s.k.a.t.e because they know she’s easy prey. It sucks to feel dated and untalented but that’s just skating for most people after their late 20s.
http://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
That is gnarly. I am not a fan of watching skate contests, but I did watch the Olympics, and I definitely thought watching the young girls huck and get gnarly was way more entertaining than the mens skating.
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Soon, fucker
I was just asking an honest question bud. I can’t recall seeing any tricks, but I might have missed it. It would be sick to see Alexis popping a proper kick flip over one.
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The only cool thing about the Olympics was that Alexis was there.
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someone mentioned they wanted to see gifted hater make a video on this, and while he probably won't, he mentioned it in his new video @ 6:03
https://youtu.be/ovDXibq5nNs?t=363
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Not sure but here’s a 14 year old back lipping Hollywood 16. Of course there are capabilities of different people, sizes, shapes. The girl currently parading around her woes is just an awful skater getting found out. A dying breed, her side hustle being swiped by a trans person should be the least of her worries. Soon she’ll be avoiding 9 year old girls at the skatepark asking her for games of s.k.a.t.e because they know she’s easy prey. It sucks to feel dated and untalented but that’s just skating for most people after their late 20s.
http://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
That is gnarly. I am not a fan of watching skate contests, but I did watch the Olympics, and I definitely thought watching the young girls huck and get gnarly was way more entertaining than the mens skating.
man i found the olympics to be a bummer for this exact reason. watching a bunch of little kids get broke off jumping down stairs is not my idea of great sports tv.
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Is there any footage of female skaters doing tricks over picnic tables on flat?
Not sure but here’s a 14 year old back lipping Hollywood 16. Of course there are capabilities of different people, sizes, shapes. The girl currently parading around her woes is just an awful skater getting found out. A dying breed, her side hustle being swiped by a trans person should be the least of her worries. Soon she’ll be avoiding 9 year old girls at the skatepark asking her for games of s.k.a.t.e because they know she’s easy prey. It sucks to feel dated and untalented but that’s just skating for most people after their late 20s.
http://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
That is gnarly. I am not a fan of watching skate contests, but I did watch the Olympics, and I definitely thought watching the young girls huck and get gnarly was way more entertaining than the mens skating.
Don't mind comps really but also wasn't into the Olympics. Couldn't not wonder when it crosses the line and is just child labour/child endangerment
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7n878/female-skateboarder-becomes-right-wing-hero-after-losing-to-woman-getting-very-upset-on-instagram
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7n878/female-skateboarder-becomes-right-wing-hero-after-losing-to-woman-getting-very-upset-on-instagram
This was well written. Writer is non-binary so that perspective was useful, and it was nice hearing from female voices in the midwest contest scene commenting too.
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My grandmother was 16 when she was forced by nazi’s to do labour and gave one of the cc prisoners who worked there a piece of butter. She got caught, her teeth got beaten out and she got send to Bergen Belsen. My Grandmother and Anne Frank were there at the same time, got both typhoid fever but my grandmother survived barely .. she couldn’t remember the brits freeing the survivors.
Anyway, fuck you.
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The Kook Of The Year candidates line-up is stacked this year.
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Not sure but here’s a 14 year old back lipping Hollywood 16. Of course there are capabilities of different people, sizes, shapes. The girl currently parading around her woes is just an awful skater getting found out. A dying breed, her side hustle being swiped by a trans person should be the least of her worries. Soon she’ll be avoiding 9 year old girls at the skatepark asking her for games of s.k.a.t.e because they know she’s easy prey. It sucks to feel dated and untalented but that’s just skating for most people after their late 20s.
http://www.instagram.com/reel/CdzQNtEguvQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
That is gnarly. I am not a fan of watching skate contests, but I did watch the Olympics, and I definitely thought watching the young girls huck and get gnarly was way more entertaining than the mens skating.
Oh I also agree with all of this. Especially when they mentioned that one of the girls used to train in another Olympic sport but was then moved to skateboard training by her country.
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I'm sure this comment of mine will go on the slap message board so here is goes: Why is it that almost every skateboarder that starts posting on social media looses all their beautiful dignity?
There are rare exceptions to this fact.
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I'm sure this comment of mine will go on the slap message board so here is goes: Why is it that almost every skateboarder that starts posting on social media looses all their beautiful dignity?
There are rare exceptions to this fact.
It’s got to be some self righteous validation/affirmation that people like him need so badly. Maybe they got it while they were still relevant and now this is their way of getting without being relevant? Or they’ve just been kooks their entire life and social media has allowed them to make it known to the world.
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https://youtu.be/V7ITmbS6Dio
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https://youtu.be/V7ITmbS6Dio
i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
Just watch it if you really wanna know. What are you scared of?
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
I scrolled through her Twitter real quick and it's... interesting. Looks like she supports Taylor, and is more general anti trans and cis women competing together. Internalized transphobia/misogyny has to be rough on the psyche
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
Just watch it if you really wanna know. What are you scared of?
it's not that i'm scared, i'm just not that much into listening to taylor talking about not getting enough money for an hour
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
that's funny, we have a liberal-conservative party in poland that's very much against lgbtq rights and they used to bring up an unknown character called "gay friend" and talk about how "gay friend" hates all lgbtq activists and their "propaganda", equality marches etc. because they bring unwanted attention. of course nobody ever heard from "gay friend" directly, it's always quotes. maybe sara is that gay friend
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
Just watch it if you really wanna know. What are you scared of?
it's not that i'm scared, i'm just not that much into listening to taylor talking about not getting enough money for an hour
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
that's funny, we have a liberal-conservative party in poland that's very much against lgbtq rights and they used to bring up an unknown character called "gay friend" and talk about how "gay friend" hates all lgbtq activists and their "propaganda", equality marches etc. because they bring unwanted attention. of course nobody ever heard from "gay friend" directly, it's always quotes. maybe sara is that gay friend
Here in America we say “I’m not a racist all the black guys at work like me”.
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
Just watch it if you really wanna know. What are you scared of?
it's not that i'm scared, i'm just not that much into listening to taylor talking about not getting enough money for an hour
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
that's funny, we have a liberal-conservative party in poland that's very much against lgbtq rights and they used to bring up an unknown character called "gay friend" and talk about how "gay friend" hates all lgbtq activists and their "propaganda", equality marches etc. because they bring unwanted attention. of course nobody ever heard from "gay friend" directly, it's always quotes. maybe sara is that gay friend
This sort of thing actually pains me, I can't imagine disavowing the queer community in hopes of being respected by conservatives for being "one of the good ones." And that respect isn't real! She's acting as a mouthpiece for a movement that would call her a pedophile and incite violence against her if she were less willing to debase herself for reactionary rage clicks
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30511 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30511) This is where all this transphobia leads.
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
Just watch it if you really wanna know. What are you scared of?
it's not that i'm scared, i'm just not that much into listening to taylor talking about not getting enough money for an hour
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i'm not gonna watch that, but the person speaking with taylor is a trans woman from what i've read on her yt channel, does she support taylor's point of view or no?
that's funny, we have a liberal-conservative party in poland that's very much against lgbtq rights and they used to bring up an unknown character called "gay friend" and talk about how "gay friend" hates all lgbtq activists and their "propaganda", equality marches etc. because they bring unwanted attention. of course nobody ever heard from "gay friend" directly, it's always quotes. maybe sara is that gay friend
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30511 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30511) This is where all this transphobia leads.
that was my first thought, i shouldn't really be speaking on that matter but i feel like if sara truly felt that she was a woman, shouldn't she want to be treated like and put in the same categories as biological women? i'd love to be proved wrong but to me it looks like all that stuff is a cheap attempt at getting some kind of notoriety, and an extremely selfish attempt at that because she's throwing other trans women under the bus and separating them from biological women just to get on some conservative asshole's podcast or some shit like that. it's fucking weird.
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Ronnie Creager has entered the chat... in the comments of the latest QSTOP10
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Ronnie Creager has entered the chat... in the comments of the latest QSTOP10
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Don't think that's actually Creager. He's got his own account with the same name.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ronniecreager
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Taylor I know your dumb ass is reading this right now because I know you love the attention, so here's a message to you: get fucked.
I cannot believe someone could be ignorant and blind enough to compare this situation to the Holocaust in any way, shape, or form.
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I’m still waiting for somebody that knows what they’re talking about to speak up.
I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
Taylor’s path and right wing media really aren’t the resources that are useful for finding an answer that Taylor supposedly seeks. As piers Morgan has said, women are inferior physically and Taylor nods and agrees to perpetuate her beliefs. Seems like tory hierarchical bullshit. Seems kinda shitty that Red Bull is dodging the issue instead of standing up for trans women as well. They can tell her no.
Howdy! Don't know if you're still looking for viewpoints, I'm very late to this entire thread. I'm a queer female skater with a degree in neuroscience. I love talking about this stuff and I agree, women are the core focus here so we should listen to them primarily. I haven't read all 20+ pages of this thread but I'm sure many have shared supportive opinions and also some transphobic and TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) "rhetoric."
This absolute c-word 's behavior is completely embarrassing, the epitome of cringetopia, and deeply transphobic. She's a disgusting human and she deserves all the backlash she receives. I think I recall this person's name bc Andy Anderson has reposted some of her shit. Unfortunate. Otherwise she's a nobody, at least to most people in the scene. Now she seems to be a far-right darling that will hopefully be used and discarded in due time.
The VICE article somebody posted recently was fantastic. Worded well and pretty good journalism on behalf of the skate community. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in as a woman and see if anyone had any particular questions.
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Didn’t realize this had reached 26 pages but LOL^ when fucking Newsmax has your back you know you’ve officially graduated to POS status
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Didn’t realize this had reached 26 pages but LOL^ when fucking Newsmax has your back you know you’ve officially graduated to POS status
Funny your name is dilbert cause the creator scott Adams has gone full blown right winger
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-nPVCgcqOM
This is an interesting listen if you have the time. It may answer some of your questions. It's about sports not skateboarding though.
I gave this a listen while cooking/eating dinner. pretty interesting story. demonstrates how murky quantifying a gender can be for real. some dimensions I wouldn't have thought about too like testosterone levels. seems like biological sex isn't the end all be all, as many people claim.
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I’m still waiting for somebody that knows what they’re talking about to speak up.
I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
Taylor’s path and right wing media really aren’t the resources that are useful for finding an answer that Taylor supposedly seeks. As piers Morgan has said, women are inferior physically and Taylor nods and agrees to perpetuate her beliefs. Seems like tory hierarchical bullshit. Seems kinda shitty that Red Bull is dodging the issue instead of standing up for trans women as well. They can tell her no.
Howdy! Don't know if you're still looking for viewpoints, I'm very late to this entire thread. I'm a queer female skater with a degree in neuroscience. I love talking about this stuff and I agree, women are the core focus here so we should listen to them primarily. I haven't read all 20+ pages of this thread but I'm sure many have shared supportive opinions and also some transphobic and TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) "rhetoric."
This absolute c-word 's behavior is completely embarrassing, the epitome of cringetopia, and deeply transphobic. She's a disgusting human and she deserves all the backlash she receives. I think I recall this person's name bc Andy Anderson has reposted some of her shit. Unfortunate. Otherwise she's a nobody, at least to most people in the scene. Now she seems to be a far-right darling that will hopefully be used and discarded in due time.
The VICE article somebody posted recently was fantastic. Worded well and pretty good journalism on behalf of the skate community. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in as a woman and see if anyone had any particular questions.
Hey what's up. glad to see you in this thread. Since you're in the sciences, what do you know about gender and physical performance? seems like TERF Taylor is running her campaign upon the premise that biological women are weaker physically therefore should compete only amongst themselves. I instantly thought of other abled skaters and that little person skater from Spain that kicks ass at skating. like dude has full pop and a lot of flick. Tons of different bodies in skating too. So is physiological makeup really a distinguishing factor? Seems like Silverman is running her whole campaign on that premise as fact when it really seems it is not that way.
That Sara Higdon interview is one of the least sensational appearances TERF Taylor has made although the hostess still reaffirms and doesn't challenge Silverman's narrative or ask any really interesting questions. I can see Taylor reaching out to Sara as an attempt to say "hey, I have trans people on my side!" even though I feel like the majority of queer, gender non-conforming, trans people I know or have met are not libertarians or support this racist, patriarchal country. It's also worth noting these are two white women talking to each other and I'm not sure if they're inclusive feminists or feminists at all. It's interesting to see the word "woke" being used as a catch all for talking points that are all very complex and nuanced. Using the word "woke" abstracts all these concepts further by lumping them together which is nonsensical then dismissing them all at once under "woke" instead of actually engaging with the material. This demonstrates their inability to give a shit and sympathize with other people. I can see a Trans woman fitting into a conservative worldview. There still is the appeal to authority (boot licking) and belief in a natural hierarchy (man, woman, kid, dog, etc.), just the role of whoever has transitioned changes. Also Sara is ex-military, did some quick search of who she is, explains a lot. Wonder if she's a libertarian getting sweet government healthcare for life. Once again, Taylor is finding media outlets that just kiss her ass and don't actually have any sort of discussion other than an elaboration of what happened from Taylor's view. She's slinging her argument under this bogus belief in biological differences which no host has engaged with that topic at all, they just accept it as fact. Taylor is totally the twitter outrage du jour for conservative media and a this point we're just watching her go through this media circus and best we can do is watch her go through these absurd hoops and skyrocket into kookdem because as demonstrated seems like Taylor doesn't give a shit about listening to anyone that doesn't agree with her or other skaters. I think the question she has is valid, her feelings are valid, but it's a two way street. Gotta listen to others as well. as demonstrated the way Taylor is going about it is horrible and loaded with subtle discrimination/micro-aggressions (but micro aggressions are woke fake news!)
Taylor's choice of media to speak to, along with her acceptance of showing up on these types of shows gives insight into her world view. Looks like she's an asshole conservative that skates. (yes, you're an asshole when the things you do bring suffering upon others both individually and as a group, I'm sure the girl that beat her in the comp is stressed out and I hope she's ok. Being alive is can be difficult enough for trans people). I liked how she mentioned people making fun of her, as if skaters don't dissect everyone's kits and pants lol where the fuck you been Taylor.
I'm still surprised Red Bull hasn't said shit. You think they'd at least have some resources to send out some copy pasta we stand with trans people statement or someone that handles PR as a global brand. Red Bull can even just ban silverman because she's not the one hosting and making the competitions but maybe all the rednecks that drink that sugary crap will get pissed off. As pride month approaches let's get stoked for all these corporations that want to profit off of queer culture when convenient.
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I'm still surprised Red Bull hasn't said shit. You think they'd at least have some resources to send out some copy pasta we stand with trans people statement or someone that handles PR as a global brand. Red Bull can even just ban silverman because she's not the one hosting and making the competitions but maybe all the rednecks that drink that sugary crap will get pissed off. As pride month approaches let's get stoked for all these corporations that want to profit off of queer culture when convenient.
This is where I’m at too. Disappointing they havent made any comments whatsoever. Red Bull is sitting on the fence. It’s clear they only stand for their bottom line.
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I'm still surprised Red Bull hasn't said shit. You think they'd at least have some resources to send out some copy pasta we stand with trans people statement or someone that handles PR as a global brand. Red Bull can even just ban silverman because she's not the one hosting and making the competitions but maybe all the rednecks that drink that sugary crap will get pissed off. As pride month approaches let's get stoked for all these corporations that want to profit off of queer culture when convenient.
This is where I’m at too. Disappointing they havent made any comments whatsoever. Red Bull is sitting on the fence. It’s clear they only stand for their bottom line.
Dietrich Mateschitz would probably support that girl, so that's why there won't be a statement.
Red bull has been controversial for a long time.
https://m.dw.com/en/rb-leipzig-red-bull-ceo-dietrich-mateschitz-and-politics-its-complicated/a-50208315
https://www.thefader.com/2017/04/24/red-bull-ceo-launching-right-wing-news-breitbart-trump
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Howdy! Don't know if you're still looking for viewpoints, I'm very late to this entire thread. I'm a queer female skater with a degree in neuroscience. I love talking about this stuff and I agree, women are the core focus here so we should listen to them primarily. I haven't read all 20+ pages of this thread but I'm sure many have shared supportive opinions and also some transphobic and TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) "rhetoric."
This absolute c-word 's behavior is completely embarrassing, the epitome of cringetopia, and deeply transphobic. She's a disgusting human and she deserves all the backlash she receives. I think I recall this person's name bc Andy Anderson has reposted some of her shit. Unfortunate. Otherwise she's a nobody, at least to most people in the scene. Now she seems to be a far-right darling that will hopefully be used and discarded in due time.
The VICE article somebody posted recently was fantastic. Worded well and pretty good journalism on behalf of the skate community. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in as a woman and see if anyone had any particular questions.
Wait what?! Andy Anderson of all people supports her and her opinions?!
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I think she means she recognized the girl’s name because && shared some clips of here a while back.
As far as I know, he’s a pretty inclusive guy, I don’t think he’d be down for this.
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Saw this on Bill Maher the other day. Seems like opinions aren’t just divided along political lines anymore, with notable liberal/dem comedians opening up the discussion.
Thoughts?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBzfUj5zsg
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I wouldn't call Maher a liberal, just a rich old white guy who's afraid of change.
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Saw this on Bill Maher the other day. Seems like opinions aren’t just divided along political lines anymore, with notable liberal/dem comedians opening up the discussion.
Thoughts?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBzfUj5zsg
Thoughts? Who the fuck willingly watches Bill Maher?! There’s literally 100 better alternatives in the genre
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Saw this on Bill Maher the other day. Seems like opinions aren’t just divided along political lines anymore, with notable liberal/dem comedians opening up the discussion.
Thoughts?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBzfUj5zsg
Dad joke galore. Cringe though that clip is, the medical practice of diagnosing and treating children is fraught with difficulty. Boomer Bill here crassly equates gender dysphoria with playing cowboys and princesses. But it's true that in science this (indeed, any) discussion is ongoing.
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I wouldn't call Maher a liberal, just a rich old white guy who's afraid of change.
Perhaps. I was just making the distinction that he isn’t conservative or republican. More accurately he’s more a libertarian that donates to and supports the democrats.
Thoughts? Who the fuck willingly watches Bill Maher?! There’s literally 100 better alternatives in the genre
Yeah, I’m not a big fan either, but that wasn’t my point.
I wasn’t saying I agree or disagree with Bill Maher, I was just pointing out the recent increase in well known non-conservative comedians using material around identity politics.
Bill Maher show has been on for 20yrs (probably 10yrs on HBO), and we’ve seen recent Netflix specials from Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais, which have reach due to their hugely popular in the ratings.
Obviously, not everyone is happy about this. But it certainly stirs up debate, even here on Slap.
https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2022/5/28/why-transphobic-comics-maher-gervais-chapelle-are-unfunny-dinosaurs
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Haha i knew this dude was gonna be posted next. Sorry but acaster is even less funny than maher
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its very unfair! for all competitive sports. biological males grow larger bonea, more muscle mass and and produce more power even with the hormone supressors. people say shes complaining about the money but the money is just way to calculate what she and other competitors wouldve gained. let alone sponsors and other recognition.
You figure the sponsors would be lining up outside her door, had she just taken first, eh?
If she dedicated an eighth of the time/effort she expended appearing on talk shows to skating, she might actually have a fighting chance, but instead, we have THIS shit show.
Thanks, Taylor.
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Haha i knew this dude was gonna be posted next. Sorry but acaster is even less funny than maher
It's 2022 no standup is funny. It's just theatre dorks saying things they already know people will agree with. Gervais had the exact material his crowd wants and gets the predicted "outraged" reaction from the opposite side. Comedians on the other side do the exact same thing. Covid should of shown them all they weren't actually needed. Just make an actual show or at least skits.
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Haha i knew this dude was gonna be posted next. Sorry but acaster is even less funny than maher
That’s a profoundly dumb take
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
Actually reading you type “This Thing of Ours” makes want to burn my whole quiver to the ground and never skate again.
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
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Just learned this fool Bobby is getting paid 1.9 million a year until 2035 even tho he hasn’t played again in 20 years. Must be nice
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You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
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Bonea
Aruba, Bonea, ooh, I wanna take ya
Bermuda, Bahama, come on pretty mama
Key Largo, Montego
Baby, why don't we go Bonea
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
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You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
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Skateboarding is not a crime.
Or it is. Kinda prefer that it is
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
I barely post as it is now poosey
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
You say that like it’s a bad thing. 8)
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tough situation no men around to blame
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This is beautiful and confirms for me that James Acaster is my favorite comedian ever
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I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-nPVCgcqOM
This is an interesting listen if you have the time. It may answer some of your questions. It's about sports not skateboarding though.
I gave this a listen while cooking/eating dinner. pretty interesting story. demonstrates how murky quantifying a gender can be for real. some dimensions I wouldn't have thought about too like testosterone levels. seems like biological sex isn't the end all be all, as many people claim.
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I’m still waiting for somebody that knows what they’re talking about to speak up.
I want to hear more women. Not male news anchors. Male internet commentators (i know. Me included) I wonder what someone that’s familiar with feminism and gender studies has to say. Skateboarders aren’t really the educated type for these complex questions as demonstrated in this thread.
Taylor’s path and right wing media really aren’t the resources that are useful for finding an answer that Taylor supposedly seeks. As piers Morgan has said, women are inferior physically and Taylor nods and agrees to perpetuate her beliefs. Seems like tory hierarchical bullshit. Seems kinda shitty that Red Bull is dodging the issue instead of standing up for trans women as well. They can tell her no.
Howdy! Don't know if you're still looking for viewpoints, I'm very late to this entire thread. I'm a queer female skater with a degree in neuroscience. I love talking about this stuff and I agree, women are the core focus here so we should listen to them primarily. I haven't read all 20+ pages of this thread but I'm sure many have shared supportive opinions and also some transphobic and TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) "rhetoric."
This absolute c-word 's behavior is completely embarrassing, the epitome of cringetopia, and deeply transphobic. She's a disgusting human and she deserves all the backlash she receives. I think I recall this person's name bc Andy Anderson has reposted some of her shit. Unfortunate. Otherwise she's a nobody, at least to most people in the scene. Now she seems to be a far-right darling that will hopefully be used and discarded in due time.
The VICE article somebody posted recently was fantastic. Worded well and pretty good journalism on behalf of the skate community. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in as a woman and see if anyone had any particular questions.
Hey what's up. glad to see you in this thread. Since you're in the sciences, what do you know about gender and physical performance? seems like TERF Taylor is running her campaign upon the premise that biological women are weaker physically therefore should compete only amongst themselves. I instantly thought of other abled skaters and that little person skater from Spain that kicks ass at skating. like dude has full pop and a lot of flick. Tons of different bodies in skating too. So is physiological makeup really a distinguishing factor? Seems like Silverman is running her whole campaign on that premise as fact when it really seems it is not that way.
That Sara Higdon interview is one of the least sensational appearances TERF Taylor has made although the hostess still reaffirms and doesn't challenge Silverman's narrative or ask any really interesting questions. I can see Taylor reaching out to Sara as an attempt to say "hey, I have trans people on my side!" even though I feel like the majority of queer, gender non-conforming, trans people I know or have met are not libertarians or support this racist, patriarchal country. It's also worth noting these are two white women talking to each other and I'm not sure if they're inclusive feminists or feminists at all. It's interesting to see the word "woke" being used as a catch all for talking points that are all very complex and nuanced. Using the word "woke" abstracts all these concepts further by lumping them together which is nonsensical then dismissing them all at once under "woke" instead of actually engaging with the material. This demonstrates their inability to give a shit and sympathize with other people. I can see a Trans woman fitting into a conservative worldview. There still is the appeal to authority (boot licking) and belief in a natural hierarchy (man, woman, kid, dog, etc.), just the role of whoever has transitioned changes. Also Sara is ex-military, did some quick search of who she is, explains a lot. Wonder if she's a libertarian getting sweet government healthcare for life. Once again, Taylor is finding media outlets that just kiss her ass and don't actually have any sort of discussion other than an elaboration of what happened from Taylor's view. She's slinging her argument under this bogus belief in biological differences which no host has engaged with that topic at all, they just accept it as fact. Taylor is totally the twitter outrage du jour for conservative media and a this point we're just watching her go through this media circus and best we can do is watch her go through these absurd hoops and skyrocket into kookdem because as demonstrated seems like Taylor doesn't give a shit about listening to anyone that doesn't agree with her or other skaters. I think the question she has is valid, her feelings are valid, but it's a two way street. Gotta listen to others as well. as demonstrated the way Taylor is going about it is horrible and loaded with subtle discrimination/micro-aggressions (but micro aggressions are woke fake news!)
Taylor's choice of media to speak to, along with her acceptance of showing up on these types of shows gives insight into her world view. Looks like she's an asshole conservative that skates. (yes, you're an asshole when the things you do bring suffering upon others both individually and as a group, I'm sure the girl that beat her in the comp is stressed out and I hope she's ok. Being alive is can be difficult enough for trans people). I liked how she mentioned people making fun of her, as if skaters don't dissect everyone's kits and pants lol where the fuck you been Taylor.
I'm still surprised Red Bull hasn't said shit. You think they'd at least have some resources to send out some copy pasta we stand with trans people statement or someone that handles PR as a global brand. Red Bull can even just ban silverman because she's not the one hosting and making the competitions but maybe all the rednecks that drink that sugary crap will get pissed off. As pride month approaches let's get stoked for all these corporations that want to profit off of queer culture when convenient.
Yeah I do know a bit about physiological and physical differences between the sexes. Hormones, as we all know, have great influence on athletic performance and potential. Fun fact: the hormonal cycle in males is 24 hours, in females around 28-29 days. Interestingly enough, a lot of societal "rules" and behaviors we do are kind of rooted in the 24 hour cycle - we start work at the same time in the morning and end in the early evening every day for 5 or 6 days - this is because males have an outburst of energy in the morning and continue to hold their focus in the afternoons, every day. Females don't have this luxury.
But on the other hand, hormones can be fickle and can change concentration by a number of outside stimuli, like caffeine, lack of sleep, environment, diet, drugs, etc etc so I think it's really really hard to pin performance on strictly biological factors. Every human body is totally different like you said, and our metabolisms are totally different, our behaviors, our hygiene, our personal healthiness. The kind of skating we each do is different, and requires different skill sets! I don't understand how this fact isn't blatantly obvious to her and clearly it dismantles her entire argument.
I think she's peddling a completely flawed and hateful argument. It's laughable that anyone would give this serious merit. Unfortunately, the egregious white supremacy in this country emboldens these kind of people to whine and cry publically. The far-right gives them a media platform, and she's just standing in an echo chamber right now. It's exactly like you said in the rest of your post - she's talking about this shit with people who think exactly like her, so it's just stroking their egos and making them feel like they're absolutely right.
And yeah I only remembered this girl's name bc Andy Anderson reposts all kinds of freestyle clips on his stories and he happened to repost some of this bitch. I am starting to have less and less respect for him, between his chumminess with the Braille Scientology bros, and shouting out this sad excuse of a human.
Please know I've never met a single woman skateboarder that comes even close to this witch, she seems like a really pathetic person. Hope the trash takes itself out.
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You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch.
Hellride brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You need to stop fronting like you’re in the mob or part of the antihero/phelps crew. It’s lame as fuck and everyone except the kooks will agree
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Everyone please consider buying products and apparel from There, Unity, Glue, Violet, Meow, Krux or other brands that publicly and proudly support trans, queer, and otherwise marginalized skateboarder groups. Consider donating money or time to Skate Like A Girl, Skateistan, or other organizations that are actively working to encourage skateboarding to be more inclusive and open to everyone.
Posting trans-supportive and progressive comments on SLAP and social media is great, but consider taking the next step toward ensuring the financial success of queer skaters and the brands that navigate a lot of hate to support them.
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Everyone please consider buying products and apparel from There, Unity, Glue, Violet, Meow, Krux or other brands that publicly and proudly support trans, queer, and otherwise marginalized skateboarder groups. Consider donating money or time to Skate Like A Girl, Skateistan, or other organizations that are actively working to encourage skateboarding to be more inclusive and open to everyone.
Posting trans-supportive and progressive comments on SLAP and social media is great, but consider taking the next step toward ensuring the financial success of queer skaters and the brands that navigate a lot of hate to support them.
Adding Double Down Zine to that list.
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch.
Hellride brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You need to stop fronting like you’re in the mob or part of the antihero/phelps crew. It’s lame as fuck and everyone except the kooks will agree
i applaud you for being able to see the screen through the tears big dog, you’ll get through it
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch.
Hellride brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You need to stop fronting like you’re in the mob or part of the antihero/phelps crew. It’s lame as fuck and everyone except the kooks will agree
i applaud you for being able to see the screen through the tears big dog, you’ll get through it
No one’s crying dawg, you said some lame shit and I let you know how lame it was 8)
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch.
Hellride brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You need to stop fronting like you’re in the mob or part of the antihero/phelps crew. It’s lame as fuck and everyone except the kooks will agree
i applaud you for being able to see the screen through the tears big dog, you’ll get through it
No one’s crying dawg, you said some lame shit and I let you know how lame it was 8)
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch.
Hellride brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You need to stop fronting like you’re in the mob or part of the antihero/phelps crew. It’s lame as fuck and everyone except the kooks will agree
i applaud you for being able to see the screen through the tears big dog, you’ll get through it
No one’s crying dawg, you said some lame shit and I let you know how lame it was 8)
i’m not gonna lose sleep over the opinions of an unmarried skateboard collector but i’m glad you got the self esteem boost you needed my man
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch
how can you come into a thread on the topic of inclusivity and say shit like this... embarrassing.
also, i don’t understand why anyone digs into anyone for having a lot of skate shit, regardless of how much they skate these people keep skaters paid and shops open, and are doing something they enjoy.
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Everyone please consider buying products and apparel from There, Unity, Glue, Violet, Meow, Krux or other brands that publicly and proudly support trans, queer, and otherwise marginalized skateboarder groups. Consider donating money or time to Skate Like A Girl, Skateistan, or other organizations that are actively working to encourage skateboarding to be more inclusive and open to everyone.
Posting trans-supportive and progressive comments on SLAP and social media is great, but consider taking the next step toward ensuring the financial success of queer skaters and the brands that navigate a lot of hate to support them.
i agree with your statement but there’s no fucking way in hell i could put that marbie krux shirt on my body
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i see quite a few focused barely skated decks in this girls future- no one bringing this stupid right wing grifter media machine near This Thing Of Ours should get off lightly
You don’t actually say that to people in real life right?
if i say i do will you promise to quit skating and posting here
too busy building your quiver of boards to stare at and never skate
The only people that hate on my quiver have vaginas. My mom, my girlfriend, and you bitch
how can you come into a thread on the topic of inclusivity and say shit like this... embarrassing.
also, i don’t understand why anyone digs into anyone for having a lot of skate shit, regardless of how much they skate these people keep skaters paid and shops open, and are doing something they enjoy.
What a strange conversation, both fucking kooks
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Everyone please consider buying products and apparel from There, Unity, Glue, Violet, Meow, Krux or other brands that publicly and proudly support trans, queer, and otherwise marginalized skateboarder groups. Consider donating money or time to Skate Like A Girl, Skateistan, or other organizations that are actively working to encourage skateboarding to be more inclusive and open to everyone.
Posting trans-supportive and progressive comments on SLAP and social media is great, but consider taking the next step toward ensuring the financial success of queer skaters and the brands that navigate a lot of hate to support them.
Very secure-in-your-own-masculinity of you to say that
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Everyone please consider buying products and apparel from There, Unity, Glue, Violet, Meow, Krux or other brands that publicly and proudly support trans, queer, and otherwise marginalized skateboarder groups. Consider donating money or time to Skate Like A Girl, Skateistan, or other organizations that are actively working to encourage skateboarding to be more inclusive and open to everyone.
Posting trans-supportive and progressive comments on SLAP and social media is great, but consider taking the next step toward ensuring the financial success of queer skaters and the brands that navigate a lot of hate to support them.
Very secure-in-your-own-masculinity of you to say that
i don’t care about “masculinity” or any of that, i’m just talking about the graphic on the shirt. it’s a krux shirt and it’s hideous
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my grand pappy didnt die face down in the mud for me to wear a krux marbie shirt
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I would wear a Marbie shirt but not a krux shirt.
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Also do you think non pals think I’m being a pos bigot when I say krux is some kook shit.
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I would wear a Marbie shirt but not a krux shirt.
I’ve been under the impression that it’s blasphemous to wear soft goods from skate companies you would not buy hard goods from.
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Everyone please consider buying products and apparel from There, Unity, Glue, Violet, Meow, Krux or other brands that publicly and proudly support trans, queer, and otherwise marginalized skateboarder groups. Consider donating money or time to Skate Like A Girl, Skateistan, or other organizations that are actively working to encourage skateboarding to be more inclusive and open to everyone.
Posting trans-supportive and progressive comments on SLAP and social media is great, but consider taking the next step toward ensuring the financial success of queer skaters and the brands that navigate a lot of hate to support them.
Maybe I live in a bubble, but I don’t see brands having to navigate a lot of hate to support skaters that aren’t straight dudes. BA on Anti-Hero/Ace, Alexis on AllTimers/Thunder, Leo on Spitfire/Indy, Samara on Enjoi/Thunder, Elissa on Thunder/Baker; I don’t remember anyone on here being nothing but super psyched for all these skaters. Anyways, I support your sentiments in backing companies that back skaters you support. It’s a tough sell with Krux, though. They can’t even give those trucks away! ;D
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I would wear a Marbie shirt but not a krux shirt.
I’ve been under the impression that it’s blasphemous to wear soft goods from skate companies you would not buy hard goods from.
This is a rule of thumb, imho.
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I don't get the hate on Krux, can someone please educate me? I skated K4s and now K5s and think they're fine. Good turn and seems like just the right weight for my setups. I'm not really a gear nut though so I don't have much knowledge in the truck department. I mainly bought their trucks to support their talented team full of riders I really enjoy watching.
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I have a Marbie Krux sweatshirt. I liked the graphic. I also have never ridden Krux and have no idea if they’re good.
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Yeah I don't think the graphic is bad either, hence why I assumed @versacekid420 's hate was coming from elsewhere. Kinda reminds me of the Unity graphics, I like em.
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wearing skate soft goods is cringe imo
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wearing skate soft goods is cringe imo
In many cases, I agree. Excepting Element T's, of course.
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Marbie Krux stuff are by far their best looking clothes & the only design they make that's even slightly cool
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
I feel like this might have been covered here a bit, but while I agree with most of what you’re saying, it seems like you’re somewhat intent on trying to oppease people like Taylor Silverman… to which I’d ask, why does she need to be catered to at all? It seems like such a small subsect of people who are actually bothered by the way this random Red Bull contest was conducted. Some of the other women competing in her series actually thought Taylor was scored too highly for her freestyle-adjacent tricks. What about Taylor Silverman’s story makes us think we need to do a deeper dive on best practices? Maybe she should just shut her mouth and skate.
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
I think the problem is in catering to people who only scream that things are unfair when they get slapped by a trans athlete, and don't make a peep when trans athletes lose. mtf trans people lose muscle mass through transition, ftm trans people take synthesized testosterone, something people might know better as anabolic steroids. it's hard to imagine anyone trying to make the argument that a BiOlOgIcAl WoMaN should compete against others not taking anabolic steroids. there was an mtf weightlifter in this last olympics or the one prior that people were making a fuss over who placed like 20th, it's really only a problem for these people when they're on the losing end, and even then it's just a cover for a more generalized transphobia
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
Why was "biological woman" in the regular spongebob meme font?
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
Why was "biological woman" in the regular spongebob meme font?
as in how a transphobe might refer to an ftm trans person, the point i was trying to get at is that most often people complain about "biological males" competing against cis women but the inverse hardly ever seems to come up. little clunky on my wording
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
Why was "biological woman" in the regular spongebob meme font?
Ah i see
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objective scientific look
No such thing
Sorry dude
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I still just think it's ridiculous to believe that there will ever be enough trans people competing in high-level sports to justify the outrage. Hit me up when women's street league is being completely dominated by trans women and I'll admit I'm wrong, but it's just not going to happen. The amount of trauma you have to submit yourself to to transition in this country doesn't seem worth it for $5000 and a redbull trophy
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Been following this for a sec, but still, the funniest part about this whole thing is that this girl thinks she deserves a couple thousand dollars more than what she was paid for her skating abilities
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She should be happy since she got paid a couple thousand dollars (well)over her skating abilities.
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Yeah I don't think the graphic is bad either, hence why I assumed @versacekid420 's hate was coming from elsewhere. Kinda reminds me of the Unity graphics, I like em.
all subjective just not something i looked at and got hyped on. plus i don’t skate krux so i would never buy a krux shirt. not everything is as deep as it seems
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Now imagine you are someone like Mami Tezuka, you place first and then this little fucker places second. Would you feel like it would be fair to give thousands of dollars to such a weak performance, while the first place got just a bit more?
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
I feel like this might have been covered here a bit, but while I agree with most of what you’re saying, it seems like you’re somewhat intent on trying to oppease people like Taylor Silverman… to which I’d ask, why does she need to be catered to at all? It seems like such a small subsect of people who are actually bothered by the way this random Red Bull contest was conducted. Some of the other women competing in her series actually thought Taylor was scored too highly for her freestyle-adjacent tricks. What about Taylor Silverman’s story makes us think we need to do a deeper dive on best practices? Maybe she should just shut her mouth and skate.
What the fuck is this useless ass comment? These people are potentially trying to make careers out of skateboarding. A Red Bull contest isn't the same as some backyard contest with no prize money.
You're accepting that science is telling us there are unfair advantages, but we should just ignore science? Are you some Evangelist Christian?
I can't fucking fathom your "do nothing" response after acknowledging the science.
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Apologies if this was already posted, but it's a pretty good video overview of the situation. It shows some brief clips from the actual contest in question, and cites slap as well. What surprises me is that apparently this contest actually took place nearly half a year ago, and the skill level, between 1st and 2nd place -- based on the available footage -- really doesn't look worlds apart from what I was expecting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx8CuoJTOMk
Around 4:50 this guy gets into guidelines for the UK sports council who tried to tackle the issue/complications of trans-athletes competing in sports. They determine that there is an unfair advantage, and that it's just a matter of what to prioritize. He has a lot of different videos which go over similar situations of Trans-athletes in sports, and mostly takes an objective scientific look into things. He seems to view it as an impasse, in where the carry over advantages of a male-to-female trans-athlete can't be negated, but also acknowledges that it sucks and is unfortunate for trans-athletes who identify with a certain sex and want to be equal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZA0wHr5Goo
-Idk, it's a tough situation. Because, as most people would hopefully agree on: the goal is inclusivity. Yet how do we accommodate both parties involved when it can potentially conflict with competitive fairness. In the Redbull situation I don't really see how the testosterone exposure of Gallagher being a biological male, carried her with a win over Taylor; cause its not like she was doing gnarly skating that would equate to high level or maybe even intermediate men's skating.
It doesn't really seem like there is a clear-cut solution in trans-athletes competing without undercutting women who might feel the same way that Silverman does. Conversely, if we separate trans-athletes from competing in women's sports, then it defeats the purpose of inclusivity as well, which is undesirable. And how do you do it all without possibly feeding into anti-trans sentiments? Hard to say where to go.
I feel like this might have been covered here a bit, but while I agree with most of what you’re saying, it seems like you’re somewhat intent on trying to oppease people like Taylor Silverman… to which I’d ask, why does she need to be catered to at all? It seems like such a small subsect of people who are actually bothered by the way this random Red Bull contest was conducted. Some of the other women competing in her series actually thought Taylor was scored too highly for her freestyle-adjacent tricks. What about Taylor Silverman’s story makes us think we need to do a deeper dive on best practices? Maybe she should just shut her mouth and skate.
What the fuck is this useless ass comment? These people are potentially trying to make careers out of skateboarding. A Red Bull contest isn't the same as some backyard contest with no prize money.
You're accepting that science is telling us there are unfair advantages, but we should just ignore science? Are you some Evangelist Christian?
I can't fucking fathom your "do nothing" response after acknowledging the science.
There is literally nothing to do because this isn't actually a problem
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
these are the most important parts and very well said. it's sort of "whataboutism" when folks in this thread focus on transgender physicality. that is not the core issue here. the issue is TRANSPHOBIA! the issue is this silly xenophobic girl waited around 6 months to be vocal about her perceived inequality, when there is video and social media proof that she seem very content with her placement at the time of the event.
again, as I said in my previous post, the science is there but it's very grey. this is very normal. individual bodies are not the same, we cannot with certainty determine if one athlete is the same as another. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO? competition would be so boring! it would never work in skateboarding! like many others have said, it's a very creative and diverse sport, so there is hardly justification to be this scrutinizing. we have to embrace the diversity of skate athletes because the sport itself demands diversity.
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
these are the most important parts and very well said. it's sort of "whataboutism" when folks in this thread focus on transgender physicality. that is not the core issue here. the issue is TRANSPHOBIA! the issue is this silly xenophobic girl waited around 6 months to be vocal about her perceived inequality, when there is video and social media proof that she seem very content with her placement at the time of the event.
again, as I said in my previous post, the science is there but it's very grey. this is very normal. individual bodies are not the same, we cannot with certainty determine if one athlete is the same as another. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO? competition would be so boring! it would never work in skateboarding! like many others have said, it's a very creative and diverse sport, so there is hardly justification to be this scrutinizing. we have to embrace the diversity of skate athletes because the sport itself demands diversity.
“...creative and diverse sport...”
“...skate athletes and the sport itself...”
That may be the most triggering statements in this whole thread!!! Do you even skate?? Narc? 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98k05_bM2e4
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
these are the most important parts and very well said. it's sort of "whataboutism" when folks in this thread focus on transgender physicality. that is not the core issue here. the issue is TRANSPHOBIA! the issue is this silly xenophobic girl waited around 6 months to be vocal about her perceived inequality, when there is video and social media proof that she seem very content with her placement at the time of the event.
again, as I said in my previous post, the science is there but it's very grey. this is very normal. individual bodies are not the same, we cannot with certainty determine if one athlete is the same as another. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO? competition would be so boring! it would never work in skateboarding! like many others have said, it's a very creative and diverse sport, so there is hardly justification to be this scrutinizing. we have to embrace the diversity of skate athletes because the sport itself demands diversity.
“...creative and diverse sport...”
“...skate athletes and the sport itself...”
Said no skateboader ever. Do you even skate?? Narc? 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98k05_bM2e4
I think/hope this is in jest but I honestly don't know. we're talking about contests so I used the word "sport", apologies for all those I offended lmao. sigh...
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
these are the most important parts and very well said. it's sort of "whataboutism" when folks in this thread focus on transgender physicality. that is not the core issue here. the issue is TRANSPHOBIA! the issue is this silly xenophobic girl waited around 6 months to be vocal about her perceived inequality, when there is video and social media proof that she seem very content with her placement at the time of the event.
again, as I said in my previous post, the science is there but it's very grey. this is very normal. individual bodies are not the same, we cannot with certainty determine if one athlete is the same as another. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO? competition would be so boring! it would never work in skateboarding! like many others have said, it's a very creative and diverse sport, so there is hardly justification to be this scrutinizing. we have to embrace the diversity of skate athletes because the sport itself demands diversity.
“...creative and diverse sport...”
“...skate athletes and the sport itself...”
Said no skateboader ever. Do you even skate?? Narc? 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98k05_bM2e4
I think/hope this is in jest but I honestly don't know. we're talking about contests so I used the word "sport", apologies for all those I offended lmao. sigh...
1. Yes, it’s in jest.
2. Skateboarding is not a sport.
Even when it’s a contest, competition, event; it’s still not a sport. So saying; “it’s a very diverse and creative sport” and “the sport itself” when referring to skateboarding is wrong.
I’m sorry to call you out on this, but we need to protect...
This Thing Of Ours
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What the fuck is this useless ass comment? These people are potentially trying to make careers out of skateboarding. A Red Bull contest isn't the same as some backyard contest with no prize money.
Imagine thinking that a objectively bad, 27 year old, transphobe skater is going to make a career out of skating from placing in a regional Red Bull contest. Lol
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I still just think it's ridiculous to believe that there will ever be enough trans people competing in high-level sports to justify the outrage. Hit me up when women's street league is being completely dominated by trans women and I'll admit I'm wrong, but it's just not going to happen. The amount of trauma you have to submit yourself to to transition in this country doesn't seem worth it for $5000 and a redbull trophy
It really highlights the way these people's minds work because they always bring up bad faith arguments like "tfw Mike Tyson puts on a wig and becomes womenz boxing champion 😂😂😂" and it shows that they completely don't understand Trans issues. They just think Trans people just are looking for ways to cheat and get ahead, because that's how they operate, when in reality most Trans people just want to be left alone or not noticed at all and operate like a normal member of society.
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
Yeah, perhaps its indirectly humoring her, but it's still a relevant point of the conversation. I'm also just thinking more about the wider conversation/conflict that arises from trans peoples competing in sports. Beyond just this case. Of course, inclusivity and making every participant feel important is definitely the goal. I'm just acknowledging the complications of the whole situation (or ones like it) and not just totally dismissing the potential objections that can arise from the position of the biological female. As I've alluded to, it's tricky to do without being Pidgeon-holed into a trans-phobic/exclusivity role. It's hard to judge in this particular instance with Taylor, because it's not really high level skate competition in where there is conspicuous differences between the two ladies performances (that can be attributed to biological makeup). I don't think Gallagher was unfit to compete as a woman; Her standard of skating looks like something achievable for Taylor. It even appeared in the dumbdata video that Taylor placed first in a men's competition at some point prior to the finals, which obfuscates her argument that she was robbed. I don't have any solutions exactly. But how do you assuage the concerns of someone like Taylor across all sports? The tension is going to continue to be there. I don't know. It does seem like a lose-lose situation. However, I agree that prioritizing inclusion is worth a lot.
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
Yeah, perhaps its indirectly humoring her, but it's still a relevant point of the conversation. I'm also just thinking more about the wider conversation/conflict that arises from trans peoples competing in sports. Beyond just this case. Of course, inclusivity and making every participant feel important is definitely the goal. I'm just acknowledging the complications of the whole situation (or ones like it) and not just totally dismissing the potential objections that can arise from the position of the biological female. As I've alluded to, it's tricky to do without being Pidgeon-holed into a trans-phobic/exclusivity role. It's hard to judge in this particular instance with Taylor, because it's not really high level skate competition in where there is conspicuous differences between the two ladies performances (that can be attributed to biological makeup). I don't think Gallagher was unfit to compete as a woman; Her standard of skating looks like something achievable for Taylor. It even appeared in the dumbdata video that Taylor placed first in a men's competition at some point prior to the finals, which obfuscates her argument that she was robbed. I don't have any solutions exactly. But how do you assuage the concerns of someone like Taylor across all sports? The tension is going to continue to be there. I don't know. It does seem like a lose-lose situation. However, I agree that prioritizing inclusion is worth a lot.
I feel like you're close to a breakthrough here. It gets easy if you accept that trans women are women and that Taylor's grievances are made in bad faith.
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Not sure what you mean by appease people like Taylor: people willing to take an objective look at it, or those who use it to perpetuate trans exclusiveness? I hope not the latter. The objective nature of the biological differences between biological women and trans-women are undeniable by science, however I don't really feel that Taylor is justified in saying that she lost simply because it was against a trans-woman. I mostly say this considering that the level of skating was a bit low; From what available clips there were of both competitors, Gallagher's clips look in line with the ability of a lot of women's skating that I've seen.
But I'm mostly just learning, myself. I think using skating to judge scenarios/complications of trans-women in women's sports is kind of a poor benchmark. It kind of makes more sense in other sports where athletic qualities are more apparent up front, like whose the fastest or strongest. Skating can only guide those facets so much, because it is a creative sport in where those qualities don't always matter. I think some women have the case to say it can cross the line of competitive fairness. But it's like, how do you do it without disrespecting supporters of the trans-community and fueling already existing trans-phobia (which is what we don't want). I really don't know what the solutions are that can accommodate everyone. I'm certainly not on the side of, "get em out of here... have them make their own division!" It just seems tricky to balance inclusivity and fairness with such a situation. I mean, it's a story that's going to keep coming up in all different avenues of sports. This was just one instance.
It’s been said it in this thread before but why does competition have to be perfectly fair? Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages, gender aside. My point is that in breaking down “biological male” vs “biological female” you’re humoring someone who’s completely exploited the conversation. Perhaps without realizing it youre sort of taking Taylor’s side (or at least doing what she’d like you to) by asking if her competitor, by holding some perceived advantage, is in fact less of a woman than she is and somehow potentially unfit to compete as such. I find her sentiments offensive, and no amount of “science” will undo my belief that this isn’t an actual issue in skating (or most sport for that matter). Only a skater realizing they’ll never “make it” would take this leap to bring this to light. In case this isn’t resonating, I’ll phrase it like this. I’d rather take this stance and let one more LGBT skater feel included and important than question the ethics of competition in anyway and give a single skater pause about how they fit into things
Yeah, perhaps its indirectly humoring her, but it's still a relevant point of the conversation. I'm also just thinking more about the wider conversation/conflict that arises from trans peoples competing in sports. Beyond just this case. Of course, inclusivity and making every participant feel important is definitely the goal. I'm just acknowledging the complications of the whole situation (or ones like it) and not just totally dismissing the potential objections that can arise from the position of the biological female. As I've alluded to, it's tricky to do without being Pidgeon-holed into a trans-phobic/exclusivity role. It's hard to judge in this particular instance with Taylor, because it's not really high level skate competition in where there is conspicuous differences between the two ladies performances (that can be attributed to biological makeup). I don't think Gallagher was unfit to compete as a woman; Her standard of skating looks like something achievable for Taylor. It even appeared in the dumbdata video that Taylor placed first in a men's competition at some point prior to the finals, which obfuscates her argument that she was robbed. I don't have any solutions exactly. But how do you assuage the concerns of someone like Taylor across all sports? The tension is going to continue to be there. I don't know. It does seem like a lose-lose situation. However, I agree that prioritizing inclusion is worth a lot.
I feel like you're close to a breakthrough here. It gets easy if you accept that trans women are women and that Taylor's grievances are made in bad faith.
Bingo, she doesn't care about skateboarding or the sanctity of women skating beyond how it affects her and how much she makes at contests. She's a culture vulture and she doesn't even adopt our culture well or convincingly
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Alright. I'm getting kind of tired of this thread, tbh. "Accept a transwoman as a woman... almost there, bud!" I mean, duh. Hence my language of referring to Gallagher as a woman, and consistently appealing to inclusiveness, while wallowing in the complexity of the opposition. Which is something that everyone will have to continue to reckon with and break down in order to make gains over the presence of trans people in all different types of community. I do also disagree with Taylor's position.
Anyways, I found a pretty good interview conducted by sports writer Dave Zirin, who does a pretty amazing job at covering the intersection between sports and politics. He interviews a transgender Olympian on the struggles of trans-peoples in sports. As someone still learning, he does a pretty good job at pointing out the lay-of-the-land in terms of the enduring struggle trans people face, and have faced. He makes reference to what he sees as a cheap argument of "inclusivity vs fairness", which I admittedly thought was important (and probably still has some merit; but maybe easier to judge somehow on a case by case basis), but he loosely refers to statistics that reveal that trans people in sports don't do much better than their cisgender counterparts (the article didn't name or link to said data, but I'll take their word for it). I read somewhere else that trans men have some success in sports as well, which is cool. I think he hits the nail on the head pretty well with what I think some of you were attempting to do, and not just simply urging acceptance. It's a good read. I think we can all learn from it.
My posts were partly just about pointing out the impasse people have over the physiological parameters, and wondering how to get past it. I think everyone is more worried about the social parameters behind it, which is understandable, as I also want everyone to feel safe and included. I mean it's a complex and sensitive issue, so... yeah.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/interview-chris-mosier/
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My posts were partly just about pointing out the impasse people have over the physiological parameters, and wondering how to get past it. I think everyone is more worried about the social parameters behind it, which is understandable, as I also want everyone to feel safe and included. I mean it's a complex and sensitive issue, so... yeah.
I mean, there's a name for these people, and they're the only ones hung up on this issue. Not sure accommodating them would help the matter. Anyway, good luck with figuring this out for yourself.
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My posts were partly just about pointing out the impasse people have over the physiological parameters, and wondering how to get past it. I think everyone is more worried about the social parameters behind it, which is understandable, as I also want everyone to feel safe and included. I mean it's a complex and sensitive issue, so... yeah.
I mean, there's a name for these people, and they're the only ones hung up on this issue. Not sure accommodating them would help the matter. Anyway, good luck with figuring this out for yourself.
Women? Biologists?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zetS51I0WwU
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Not just happening in skating, happening across the board with a lot of competitive sports. It is kinda unfair since people/genders are built differently naturally, thus why we have women's and mens sports separately. Of course there is the rare exception but I’m sure every one will be offended I said that.
Yeah, in my city there was a youth football team that had a trans somoan player, like we're talking about someone who was 6ft and bulky, would have proved to be a challenge even if they were playing on a mens team for their age group. Some people like to blabber on how sexes are equal and all that PC bullshit, but there are clear genetic differences that no amount of hormone therapy or w/e will ever be able to correct.
There are differences in the same sex too. Are we going to start letting a 5 foot person start saying a 6 foot guy is unfair because he can dunk? You play the hand you are dealt.
THIS , if you really wanna argue FAIRNESS, then you cant apply it to sports cause the whole point of competition sports is to Beat the other contenders , the logical solution is divide sports by weight class, and not gender but transphobes don't want to hear that
Wasn't going to bother with this thread any longer as it's barely related to skating at this point, but pointing out that the biological sex you are born has an impact on your physical capibilites does not make one a transphobe.
Yeah, in a just and perfect world, a male and female of equivalent height/weight would on average perform equally well athletically, however it's just not the case. How do you think a male vs female boxer of the same weight division would go?
cause those physical capabilities are not exclusive to ones gender , what you're stating is old and outdated science , we now understand a lot more about gender and sex and there are not that many differences when comparing men and women, there can be super buff women and there can be smaller men, humans come in a variety of shapes sizes colors and we now know, genders and sexes as well
and it would probably go the same as they are going now, if anything it might improve competition and make for some exciting fights, that's if you're really honest about wanting to have fair and competitive sports for both to be true there should be no segregation, and within weight classes skill will prevail regardless of gender
if there is no difference , then how come in the olympics girls were getting much lower scores than men
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Before this is locked up, I want to post this photo of Tommy Guerrero congratulating my friend, Jamie Reyes on beating out everyone in her age division and getting sponsored by Real as a result.
https://www.instagram.com/p/28rYbPI_Ea/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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that's a nice bookend. locking