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ACL going under the knife. Any rehab tips?
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1) Get your leg as straight as you can get it right away. I had mine done a couple of years ago and it's not totally straight. It doesn't affect my walking or skating, but it's something that I didn't do correctly during rehab / PT.
2) Keep your head up.
3) Share your Vicodin.
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Ive said it here before book called Pain free by Pete Egoscue, any thing from that dude will help alot. Stay on the bike, strech and ice as much as you can. Listen to your body if something else starts to hurt take it easy and give it time to heal. DONT SLACK ON PHYSICAL THERAPY!!!
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Got the surgery this past August. Just try hard to get everything back. walking & stuff. And it will all come to you. And vicodin wont hurt. Get Well..
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Got the surgery this past August. Just try hard to get everything back. walking & stuff. And it will all come to you. And vicodin wont hurt. Get Well..
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the most my physician will prescribe me is 800mg tablets of ibuprofen. how do i get hooked up. my knee is shot to shit.
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my grate uncle told me that if yu rub crack on it shuld be otay.
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DONT SLACK ON PHYSICAL THERAPY!!!
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Thanks for all the advice. I'm not too stressed about the surgery but definitely stressed about the rehab time. It's gonna be tough not being able to be mobile for awhile. I'm make sure to save some of my Vicodin for any of the Slap homies that need some.
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fuck vicatin. stay away from any pill that's not a vitamin or doesn't have any benefits beyond a couple hours. Get a bike and a good lock. I have a bike that I use to bike the paths by the river but want to do more with it so I'll probably get a good lock so I can do all my errands with it too. Fall in love with your bike and do lots of rehab when the time is right.
Ask your doctor what particular ones you can do alot, and do them a lot. Rehab is the most important thing. DON'T SKATE FOR A LONG TIME! YOU'LL BE THROWING OUT ALL THE REHAB TIME IF YOU HURT IT.
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No Vicodin... I did get a bunch of Percoset instead. My knee is the size of a melon right now.
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How's it feeling?
For my money, Percocet is just as good. No acetomenaphine / liver worries.
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How's it feeling?
For my money, Percocet is just as good. No acetomenaphine / liver worries.
Fuckin' pain control is good... Based on the docs recommendations I started taking Neuronton and Celebrex a few days prior to the surgery then Percoset after whenever I'm feeling it. Surgery's gnarly... I remember checking out stuff in the OR then the next thing I know I'm waking up. It felt like I had just closed my eyes for a minute but the whole ordeal took about 5 hours.
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Yeah, that how mine was. I was cracking jokes to the nurses about how cold the OR was and next thing you know, I'm waking up.
Just keep your head up. I know that I got better pretty quick. Meaning I was able to hobble around like right after surgery, which stoked me. But then it just seemed like it took forever to get to a spot where I wouldn't limp any longer, and that was really depressing for me.
I also made the mistake of buying myself a new complete a couple of months before I could skate as a motivational tool to hit the PT hard. Didn't really work out how I planned.
First day back, six months to the day I tore it, I went down to Sunnyvale. I did some ollies, some kickflips, got sunburned... it was one of the best days I've ever had.
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Yeah, that how mine was. I was cracking jokes to the nurses about how cold the OR was and next thing you know, I'm waking up.
Just keep your head up. I know that I got better pretty quick. Meaning I was able to hobble around like right after surgery, which stoked me. But then it just seemed like it took forever to get to a spot where I wouldn't limp any longer, and that was really depressing for me.
I also made the mistake of buying myself a new complete a couple of months before I could skate as a motivational tool to hit the PT hard. Didn't really work out how I planned.
First day back, six months to the day I tore it, I went down to Sunnyvale. I did some ollies, some kickflips, got sunburned... it was one of the best days I've ever had.
You're saying you hadn't ridden for 6 months? Holy shit. I was hoping I could at least roll around 2~3 months after the surgery day. I can already see the quad on the leg that I had the surgery on starting to soften up from lack of use. I've still got a little over 4 weeks of non-weight bearing on that leg so I've still got a ways to go. I need to check with the doc but I'm hoping to get on a stationary bike in about a week.
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Yeah. Six months. The PT tech told me it would be eight months to a year before I would feel totally comfortable with it.
I was on the stationary bike two weeks after surgery, but wasn't in a spot to be able to even think about rolling around for at least six months.
Everyone is different though. And it also depends on what you had done. I had my meniscus repaired instead of having it cut out, so that added some time to my rehab.
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Yeah. Six months. The PT tech told me it would be eight months to a year before I would feel totally comfortable with it.
I was on the stationary bike two weeks after surgery, but wasn't in a spot to be able to even think about rolling around for at least six months.
Everyone is different though. And it also depends on what you had done. I had my meniscus repaired instead of having it cut out, so that added some time to my rehab.
I pretty much had the works done... replaced my torn ACL with my hamstring, fixed my lateral meniscus, my medial meniscus was completely destroyed so they just cleaned out the debris, then patched up a hole in my cartiledge using micro fiber punctures. I think the surgeon said that my PCL was torn as well but didn't fix that. Yesterday was 2 weeks since surgery and I'm hoping to hit the stationary bike this weekend.
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I think this is the most important time as not the let atraphy(sp?) set in. I started rolling around after about 4 months but no real skating until about 6 or 7 months. The mental shit is the hardest part to overcome but with time it gets easier but just listen to your body if something starts to hurt just chill let it heal then get back to the PT. Waking up was the worst part for my the feeling of the morphine wearing off mad me feel like a strung out junkie or something. They gave me vics and 80mg oxys but i didnt take one, I went for the herbal approach...................well weed mostly. Keep your mind and body stong and stay up.
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No Booze - absolutely none. no smokes either.
Eat Right - lots of fruit and vegetables. no junk food or soft drinks. hydrate properly. go to the health food store for some advice.
Rehab - go to physio and listen to them. get a gym membership even though there are 'jocks' there. buy a bike and ride it
everywhere you go. you need to build muscle.
if you take those three seriously, you can be back in three months - STRONGER THAN YOU WERE BEFORE.
play the slack-ass cool guy, you'll come back weak and 20 pounds heavier, sometime around Dec/Jan08.
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Lot of good advice here. I was able to roll on mine somewhere between 2-3 months. I rolled on a fiming board so it stopped the temptation to try tricks. I think not having a set up waiting for you is a good option cause if it's there you'll get tempted, I know I would have anyway.
I was able to start skating flatland at around 6-7 months and now around 8 months later can do most things. I haven't tried stairs or anything yet, due to lingering minor pains.
Hesitation is a bitch when you come back. I was so shit scared every time I missed a trick. It's amazing and scary how often your board lands back under you when you miss a trick.
Good luck with it and stay positive. The time flies and you'll be back before you know it. Sounds cliché, but that's how it was for me anyway.
I think this is the most important time as not the let atraphy(sp?) set in. I started rolling around after about 4 months but no real skating until about 6 or 7 months. The mental shit is the hardest part to overcome but with time it gets easier but just listen to your body if something starts to hurt just chill let it heal then get back to the PT.Expand Quote
No Booze - absolutely none. no smokes either.
Eat Right - lots of fruit and vegetables. no junk food or soft drinks. hydrate properly. go to the health food store for some advice.
Rehab - go to physio and listen to them. get a gym membership even though there are 'jocks' there. buy a bike and ride it
everywhere you go. you need to build muscle.
if you take those three seriously, you can be back in three months - STRONGER THAN YOU WERE BEFORE.
play the slack-ass cool guy, you'll come back weak and 20 pounds heavier, sometime around Dec/Jan08.
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Yesterday was the 3 week mark since the surgery. The doc used some micro fracture technique on a hole in my cartiledge so I'm suppose to be non-weight bearing aka crutches for another 3 weeks to let the cartiledge time to rebuild. I hit the stationary bike this weekend for the first time and it was motivating being able to move my leg muscles. Once I'm off the crutches I start PT. It's tough... I wanna skate so bad... even if it's just carving around or pushing down the street.
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This thread makes me want to go see the doc. Been putting off this left knee pain that comes and goes for awhile (hyper ext.), but scared to see the doc and hear the results. I best man up if I wanna keep skating eh? fucking knives and needles and shit...
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This thread makes me want to go see the doc. Been putting off this left knee pain that comes and goes for awhile (hyper ext.), but scared to see the doc and hear the results. I best man up if I wanna keep skating eh? fucking knives and needles and shit...
That was my problem right there. I tore my ACL about 4 years ago and never saw the doc and just kept skating and reinjuring it. I didn't want to hear the bad news nor did I want to stop skating so I kept putting it off. The surgeon that did my ACL reconstruction said that if I had it done back then, my cartiledge and medial meniscus probably wouldn't have been so fucked up and the procedure would've been a standard ACL replacement and not an ACL, lateral meniscus, medial meniscus debris clean up, and microfracture thingy to fix the hole in my cartiledge. If you have insurance you should go see a doc and get an MRI. After that, you can decide what you want to do... wait or get it done.
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
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stay off the board till the doc says. I seen too many dudes work hard on therapy and blow it on one bail.
I hope the best for both of you.
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i broke my collar bone, and my 4th metacarpal and have pulled my acl and sprained my ankles numberous times. id say water and advil and rest. listen to the doctors but id say avoid surgery if at all possible for any injury.
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
Thanks. Yeah... it's been 5 weeks since surgery this past Wednesday. Not that I'm counting or anything....
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
what is the update good sir. i too will going under the knife.
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Good luck with it man - the main thing is that, as long as you take it easy whilst you're recovering, you will be skating again - as well as you ever have
I was really freaked out when I did mine 3 years ago - I snapped my ACL, tore my PCL and made some interesting shapes with the cartiledge; they rebuilt my ligaments using my hamstring and I have to admit I worried that I'd never skate again
I've been skating hard for the last year and a half (the rest was taken up by surgeries, rehab and learning to trust myself again)
People are right when they say that rehab and taking it easy are important - I found it the most frustrating time ever, but it has to be got through
(Just take care not to become an alcoholic etc - it's weird finding stuff to fill your time with when you can't move much and are used to skating a lot)
The main battle for me was psychological; once I got on my board I had to learn to trust the fact that my leg wasn't going to go again: it was hard o trust some flips etc at first (mainly in case I bailed) - but you have to force yourself and not let it beat you
I've never had a huge problem with it since - now and again it's a bit sore if I skate a few days in a row, but never too bad - and I can try everthing I did before (aside from very big drops - I still can't make myself risk doing them)
Good luck man - this whole thing will be a bad memory before you realise it
Oh - and to be honest the break (unintended) actually made me love skating more than I ever had before!!
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
what is the update good sir. i too will going under the knife.
Things are going good. My knee feels much more stable since the surgery. There's still a little bit of stiffness if I bend it back all the way. My muscles are slowly coming back. I'm at physical therapy twice a week and things are moving along. I feel like I could probably carve around at a park or push down the street but think it's best if I just wait a few more weeks. I don't know if you talked to your surgeon yet but I'd recommend talking to him about the benefits of regional anesthesia. My surgeon hooked me up with 50 percoset because he thought I'd be in tons of pain after the surgery but with regional, things weren't too bad at all immediately following the procedure. Do you know if you're going with a cadaver ACL or your hamstring?
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Good luck with it man - the main thing is that, as long as you take it easy whilst you're recovering, you will be skating again - as well as you ever have
I was really freaked out when I did mine 3 years ago - I snapped my ACL, tore my PCL and made some interesting shapes with the cartiledge; they rebuilt my ligaments using my hamstring and I have to admit I worried that I'd never skate again
I've been skating hard for the last year and a half (the rest was taken up by surgeries, rehab and learning to trust myself again)
People are right when they say that rehab and taking it easy are important - I found it the most frustrating time ever, but it has to be got through
(Just take care not to become an alcoholic etc - it's weird finding stuff to fill your time with when you can't move much and are used to skating a lot)
The main battle for me was psychological; once I got on my board I had to learn to trust the fact that my leg wasn't going to go again: it was hard o trust some flips etc at first (mainly in case I bailed) - but you have to force yourself and not let it beat you
I've never had a huge problem with it since - now and again it's a bit sore if I skate a few days in a row, but never too bad - and I can try everthing I did before (aside from very big drops - I still can't make myself risk doing them)
Good luck man - this whole thing will be a bad memory before you realise it
Oh - and to be honest the break (unintended) actually made me love skating more than I ever had before!!
All the stuff you said is on point. Especially that last sentence. This is the longest I've ever not been on a board and I feel like I've never wanted to skate as much as I do now.
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
what is the update good sir. i too will going under the knife.
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
what is the update good sir. i too will going under the knife.
ACL
Are they gonna replace your ACL with one from a cadaver or from your hamstring? The doc said the hamstring was strong but took a little longer to heal since they remove part of your hamstring but that's the one I went with.
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no word yet, had my MRI this week. ill know in my next appointment
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Math Professor, Hope it's going okay, S and D is on point with all of his tips.
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Math Professor, Hope it's going okay, S and D is on point with all of his tips.
Yeah... everything is going well so far. I went to my 3rd post op appointment and the Physicians Assistant said my muscles are strong. I'm still going to PT because it's still not 100%. I'm hoping to lose a bit of the beer gut I've gained over the last 12 weeks before I step back on the board to help ease back into it. I'm shooting to at least carve around in mid-to-late July just to get the feel of the board back. It seriously feel's like its been a long time...
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Math Professor, Hope it's going okay, S and D is on point with all of his tips.
Yeah... everything is going well so far. I went to my 3rd post op appointment and the Physicians Assistant said my muscles are strong. I'm still going to PT because it's still not 100%. I'm hoping to lose a bit of the beer gut I've gained over the last 12 weeks before I step back on the board to help ease back into it. I'm shooting to at least carve around in mid-to-late July just to get the feel of the board back. It seriously feel's like its been a long time...
Sounds good, hang in there.
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Thanks for the advice. I think I am going to try and stay off the board for awhile and get an MRI to see whats up. Hope your healing is going good.
what is the update good sir. i too will going under the knife.
ACL
that's what i did, the hamstring thing, it never healed properly and i've been dodging another surgery for about 3 years now. i need it, it's getting to be about that time.
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and as for muscle strengthening in the rehab/PT, i know it's gay, but ride a bike, it's one of the best things you can do.
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I chose the Dead Man Achilles route. When my surgeon told me that the hamstring route would take a little longer to heal, in an overall sense, that's all I had to hear.
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Math Professor, Hope it's going okay, S and D is on point with all of his tips.
Yeah... everything is going well so far. I went to my 3rd post op appointment and the Physicians Assistant said my muscles are strong. I'm still going to PT because it's still not 100%. I'm hoping to lose a bit of the beer gut I've gained over the last 12 weeks before I step back on the board to help ease back into it. I'm shooting to at least carve around in mid-to-late July just to get the feel of the board back. It seriously feel's like its been a long time...
I forgot about that one - yeah I was amazed at how much weight I put on when I couldn't skate - I continued to eat the way I did before I hurt myself and was pretty devastated when I realised how much weight skating burns off and that I'd have to stop eating all the crap I'd been able to get away with eating before!
It felt like ages for me too - but like I say I love skating more than ever thanks to that forced break; I'd never not skated even in the dark little wheels era and it felt so weird. I even wondered whether I'd ever be able to properly get on the board again - the mind can be good at playing tricks! And it made me realise that I get really bored when I can't ride my skateboard or find some other form of adrenaline-inducement; life seems dull when you're just sitting about!
It will be over soon enough though and it will all be a bad memory - just make sure you listen to your body the whole time and take it easy at first
Oh yeah at first my knee used to swell lots every time I skated, but with no pain; I used to worry about that - but that isn't anything serious (unless it feels "wrong") and died down every time; it was just a case of limiting how often I skated at first
Oh - and I'd strongly recommend wearing a knee gasket when you start skating again - feels awkward at first but it really does help it feel more solid!
Good luck :)
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Ahem haven't got the hang of that quoting business yet, sorry!
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skating some regular double set in late feb, foot slipped about an inch when i landed, knee just went sideways, felt all sorts of tearing. i have an HMO though and he wouldnt send me to an orthipedic doc saying that i was "young enough to where i wouldn't need surgery" even though im 21. did it in again last sunday, went to an orthipedic today, schedualed for an MRI next week. i heard him recording notes about me though and he was talking about possible tears of both the MCL and the ACL so thats going to be interesting. thanks for all these tips in here, its much appreciated.
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Mate, good luck!
I went through the same thing - they told me that I'd sprained it at first but of course it went again and then they finally took me seriously
You'll know better than any medic - if it feels "wrong" then make sure they check you out properly
And I hate to say it, but it is one of the few areas which does not heal itself as far as I'm aware - the muscles around the knee grow to compensate but the knee ligaments don't repair themselves: so that first guy may have given you some really bad advice..!
At least it's all fixable -ten or 15 years ago it wasn't so easy, so things could be worse!
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Keep your head up, man.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
Well when you head up to sac I will take you to a 30 flat 30 just to warm up...
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
Well when you head up to sac I will take you to a 30 flat 30 just to warm up...
I was hoping to warm up "Koston style" on the Roseville triple set.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
Yeah, Professor! That's sick, man.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
Sick man - just in time for the good bit of summer too! Seriously it's all good from here - even just being able to chill out with friends is amazing after a long time injured, let alone the feeling of skating again! It will probably swell a bit after the first few skates (or at least mine did) but that's perfectly normal and that will stop happening after a while!
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
Sick man - just in time for the good bit of summer too! Seriously it's all good from here - even just being able to chill out with friends is amazing after a long time injured, let alone the feeling of skating again! It will probably swell a bit after the first few skates (or at least mine did) but that's perfectly normal and that will stop happening after a while!
Yeah, it was swollen and it's still feelin' a little sore. I wanna go roll around again but don't wanna push it. I've been icing it down on a regular basis just to keep the swelling at a minimum. I just realized that I had a ton of cuss words in that last post. I guess I was feelin' a bit hyped on posting up that I rolled around.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
not trying to discourage you but chiiiiiiiiiil dude. Skating will only be fun and you'll think, "oh it doesn't hurt, I'll push it a little harder today". Not a good idea. I'd hit the bike up and do hecka exercises to strengthen it up. You don't want this to linger and if you do the right things now it won't ever be an issue again.
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I tore my meniscus last summer, and got surgery on june 22. I can walk fine now, and i did a couple of ollies around my house. Shits been fucking boring, easily my worst summer. I could have had a job but i had to go for surgery. My doctor said i gatta go swimming a lot. So im swimming, its easy but hella boring, and their is always shit in the pool. But it will all be worth it when i can back tail my box in a week or two.
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Good luck with it, and remember to be patient! Have you been out of skating since last summer? If so remember you'll lose muscle and muscle memory, so things will come back - but you won't be able to do everything straight away: it's easy to get stressy over that! I was injured for over 2 years solid and I'm still re-learning some of my old tricks. I just tried to think of myself as being lucky to skate again and to not have an ego over what level I skated at - it's weird scooting around relearning some basics when you're used to pushing yourself, but it's got to be done (and it was kind of refreshing to just be free to thrash aorund for a while rather than being expected to bust something out)
On the good side I've not had any problems in the 2 years since I've been skating, can do almost anything I did before and have learnt some new stuff to make up for the lost tricks, and really really enjoy skating now: I'm like a little kid when it's sunny out and I can go skate!!
Oh and, as a wiser man than me has mentioned above, using a bike really strengthens the leg as do the excercises the physio will have given you: I tried to come back way too soon when I first did mine and it went again just doing a switch boardslide on a tiny flatbar and pivoting out with my leg on the bad leg: if you do that then you'll have to go through the whole process again from the beginning!
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(Fuk, heres my story)
Yeh, welcome the new member(I'm fukkin with you)
I tore my ACL on November 12, 2006, didn't really know it was an ACL until I got an MRI at the end of March, went in for surgery April 5, 2007 on the hamstring graft program(I got pictures I'll post soon)I woke up halfway through the surgery, asked them(surgeons)how we were doing, they said, "Great!" and at that point they were just about done so we were bullshitting. After that I started PT going 3x a week. Fast forward to present, the doctors & therapist's are tremendously happy with my progress, I go to PT once a week now for another 2 months and I've even skated a little flatground yesterday :) :) :) :)but the party's kinda just getting started as I have to join a gym after I'm done with PT and will also have to wear a knee brace for about a year until the hamstring tendons fully grow back. My advice at this point is:
1. DO NOT skimp on the excercises(Leg raises, crabs, etc.)
2. DO NOT over excercise(yeh, I know)
3. DO NOT over ice, as you need a consistent flow of blood in that area
4. If you got a pool use it(when you come to that point)if not, join a gym that has one, if not, fuck it the YMCA...
5. Pay special attention to the Quad/ hamstring area as that where you'll most of the instability after you've healed to the point of being able to walk un-assisted.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
I had 2 ACL recons and researched the possible options until I almost lost my mind.
After everything, I personally think the cadaver ligament is the way to go, but a lot of it has to do with your doctor and what he specializes in. You have the fastest recovery time with a cadaver ligament, because you don't have to harvest ligaments from your own body. The only down side is getting used to the idea you got somebody else's parts in your leg or the 1 and a million chance that the ligament won't react well in your body.
All said, good luck and this thread has pretty much everything you need to know once you're out of surgery.
Peace.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
I had 2 ACL recons and researched the possible options until I almost lost my mind.
After everything, I personally think the cadaver ligament is the way to go, but a lot of it has to do with your doctor and what he specializes in. You have the fastest recovery time with a cadaver ligament, because you don't have to harvest ligaments from your own body. The only down side is getting used to the idea you got somebody else's parts in your leg or the 1 and a million chance that the ligament won't react well in your body.
All said, good luck and this thread has pretty much everything you need to know once you're out of surgery.
Peace.
2?!?!?!?!? You did 2 of these fukkers?!?!?!
/tips hat
//claps
So what is YOUR advice? Your the type I've been dying to here from...
At this point your the resident expert(hands down)and there is NO DOCTOR in the world that can give you insight as to how to recover effectively from this in skateboarding; baseball/ basketball/ football sure, but not skateboarding. If you would have any advice or input on some excercises/ stretches or routines that helped you that would be GREATLY appreciated.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
Good luck, dude.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
The meniscus I am not sure about, but my vote is for a hamstring graft. From what I understand cadaver grafts do not come back as strong as a hamstring graft, the upside is that yes, you'll be out and about quicker, but it doesn't per se heal faster; it's just that the quadricep doesn't need as much attention during the rehab process. With a hamstring graft the rehab takes a longer time but if your minds right and your doing what you gotta do it will be stronger overall(stronger than before even). Also, there is a slight risk of infection with a cadaver graft, but it's negligible(like 1 in 1,000,000). So basically your choices are be on your feet and skating in 3-6 months(cadaver, quicker recovery, moderate ACL strength) or in 6-8 months(hamstring, stronger ACL overall, tendons not restored fully for 1yr)
Choose your poison.
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h@rry_t3H_pImP,
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER!
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h@rry_t3H_pImP,
I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER!
Nah dikkhead it was last winter ;)
/I know you to
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
Good luck, dude.
good looks mikey! i'll let you know how it goes after the surg. mad computer time ahaha... fucking shit.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
The meniscus I am not sure about, but my vote is for a hamstring graft. From what I understand cadaver grafts do not come back as strong as a hamstring graft, the upside is that yes, you'll be out and about quicker, but it doesn't per se heal faster; it's just that the quadricep doesn't need as much attention during the rehab process. With a hamstring graft the rehab takes a longer time but if your minds right and your doing what you gotta do it will be stronger overall(stronger than before even). Also, there is a slight risk of infection with a cadaver graft, but it's negligible(like 1 in 1,000,000). So basically your choices are be on your feet and skating in 3-6 months(cadaver, quicker recovery, moderate ACL strength) or in 6-8 months(hamstring, stronger ACL overall, tendons not restored fully for 1yr)
Choose your poison.
h
Not backing what 'harry the pimp's' saying.
Unfortunutely, I've spent a lot of time dealing with this stuff and if the hamstring and the cadaver ligament (achilles tendon) are both done right the caver ligament patient will return to sport faster. (based on the simple fact that there is no trauma from the harvested hamstring) And again if done right, the cadaver is stronger than the hamstring due to the fact that the achilles is the strongest ligament in the body.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
Good luck, dude.
good looks mikey! i'll let you know how it goes after the surg. mad computer time ahaha... fucking shit.
Yo man, for what it's worth, I dug your footage in the Atmosphere video.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
The meniscus I am not sure about, but my vote is for a hamstring graft. From what I understand cadaver grafts do not come back as strong as a hamstring graft, the upside is that yes, you'll be out and about quicker, but it doesn't per se heal faster; it's just that the quadricep doesn't need as much attention during the rehab process. With a hamstring graft the rehab takes a longer time but if your minds right and your doing what you gotta do it will be stronger overall(stronger than before even). Also, there is a slight risk of infection with a cadaver graft, but it's negligible(like 1 in 1,000,000). So basically your choices are be on your feet and skating in 3-6 months(cadaver, quicker recovery, moderate ACL strength) or in 6-8 months(hamstring, stronger ACL overall, tendons not restored fully for 1yr)
Choose your poison.
h
Not backing what 'harry the pimp's' saying.
Unfortunutely, I've spent a lot of time dealing with this stuff and if the hamstring and the cadaver ligament (achilles tendon) are both done right the caver ligament patient will return to sport faster. (based on the simple fact that there is no trauma from the harvested hamstring) And again if done right, the cadaver is stronger than the hamstring due to the fact that the achilles is the strongest ligament in the body.
I ain't a doctor homey but...this was told to me by the the best orthopedic sports surgeon in NYC(literally)...what I did not know was that the achilles tendon is used in cadaver grafts so that does add merit to that approach(cadaver), had I known this I might have considered that option more than I did.
All the same, if you've gone through this 2x(God bless you...)any input would be greatly appreciated as to some excercise(s) or stuff that you did to help your recovery along; sharing is caring ;)
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
Good luck, dude.
good looks mikey! i'll let you know how it goes after the surg. mad computer time ahaha... fucking shit.
Yo man, for what it's worth, I dug your footage in the Atmosphere video.
hell yeah man! i'm glad you liked it. i wish berry had more shit. would've been nice to have. anyways i'm glad you liked it. yeah son!!
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
The meniscus I am not sure about, but my vote is for a hamstring graft. From what I understand cadaver grafts do not come back as strong as a hamstring graft, the upside is that yes, you'll be out and about quicker, but it doesn't per se heal faster; it's just that the quadricep doesn't need as much attention during the rehab process. With a hamstring graft the rehab takes a longer time but if your minds right and your doing what you gotta do it will be stronger overall(stronger than before even). Also, there is a slight risk of infection with a cadaver graft, but it's negligible(like 1 in 1,000,000). So basically your choices are be on your feet and skating in 3-6 months(cadaver, quicker recovery, moderate ACL strength) or in 6-8 months(hamstring, stronger ACL overall, tendons not restored fully for 1yr)
Choose your poison.
h
Not backing what 'harry the pimp's' saying.
Unfortunutely, I've spent a lot of time dealing with this stuff and if the hamstring and the cadaver ligament (achilles tendon) are both done right the caver ligament patient will return to sport faster. (based on the simple fact that there is no trauma from the harvested hamstring) And again if done right, the cadaver is stronger than the hamstring due to the fact that the achilles is the strongest ligament in the body.
I ain't a doctor homey but...this was told to me by the the best orthopedic sports surgeon in NYC(literally)...what I did not know was that the achilles tendon is used in cadaver grafts so that does add merit to that approach(cadaver), had I known this I might have considered that option more than I did.
All the same, if you've gone through this 2x(God bless you...)any input would be greatly appreciated as to some excercise(s) or stuff that you did to help your recovery along; sharing is caring ;)
h
I've found that all doctors have their specialties and their opinions, so if you definitely want to use a certain doctor, it's safest to go with what they suggest, cause that's what they'll do best. Regarding exercises, the first few pages have all the exercises and advice you could want. They're all consistent with what I've experienced. Let me know if I can help beyond that.
Peace.
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i guess my ACL's fully torn and my Meniscus is torn vertically. I have a surgery on August 8th.
I'm wondering though, I told the doctor I wanted the ligament from a cadaver or whatever, thats the better choice right? I thought thats what you guys agreed on on here but I'm not sure.
The meniscus I am not sure about, but my vote is for a hamstring graft. From what I understand cadaver grafts do not come back as strong as a hamstring graft, the upside is that yes, you'll be out and about quicker, but it doesn't per se heal faster; it's just that the quadricep doesn't need as much attention during the rehab process. With a hamstring graft the rehab takes a longer time but if your minds right and your doing what you gotta do it will be stronger overall(stronger than before even). Also, there is a slight risk of infection with a cadaver graft, but it's negligible(like 1 in 1,000,000). So basically your choices are be on your feet and skating in 3-6 months(cadaver, quicker recovery, moderate ACL strength) or in 6-8 months(hamstring, stronger ACL overall, tendons not restored fully for 1yr)
Choose your poison.
h
Not backing what 'harry the pimp's' saying.
Unfortunutely, I've spent a lot of time dealing with this stuff and if the hamstring and the cadaver ligament (achilles tendon) are both done right the caver ligament patient will return to sport faster. (based on the simple fact that there is no trauma from the harvested hamstring) And again if done right, the cadaver is stronger than the hamstring due to the fact that the achilles is the strongest ligament in the body.
I ain't a doctor homey but...this was told to me by the the best orthopedic sports surgeon in NYC(literally)...what I did not know was that the achilles tendon is used in cadaver grafts so that does add merit to that approach(cadaver), had I known this I might have considered that option more than I did.
All the same, if you've gone through this 2x(God bless you...)any input would be greatly appreciated as to some excercise(s) or stuff that you did to help your recovery along; sharing is caring ;)
h
I've found that all doctors have their specialties and their opinions, so if you definitely want to use a certain doctor, it's safest to go with what they suggest, cause that's what they'll do best. Regarding exercises, the first few pages have all the exercises and advice you could want. They're all consistent with what I've experienced. Let me know if I can help beyond that.
Peace.
Thanks fam.
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I got my surgery one year ago today. new ligamnet & cartlidge im skating fine but a bit hesitant on some tricks.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
not trying to discourage you but chiiiiiiiiiil dude. Skating will only be fun and you'll think, "oh it doesn't hurt, I'll push it a little harder today". Not a good idea. I'd hit the bike up and do hecka exercises to strengthen it up. You don't want this to linger and if you do the right things now it won't ever be an issue again.
no fucking shit, this is the truth- i'm sure that my choice to go and skate around while it was still swollen and not fully healed from surgery was a big factor in needing a 2nd and now a 3rd surgery.
fuck what JT says about "doing whatever you have to in moderation", what you have to do is heal the fuck up and getting out on your skateboard isn't going to help that. what a terrible fucking piece of advice, "chief", seriously...
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this topic is seriously bumming me out though, i've been putting this 3rd surgery off way too long. it's fucking time to do it again, hell, it's been time...i guess maybe this winter once i get a new HMO. fuck.
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the more i think about it, the more shocked and dismayed i am at JT's remarks about getting on the board before a knee surgery has healed. that's just absurd and ridiculous, whether just cruising or actually doing little ollies or tricks, it's a fucking recipe for disaster. a million things can happen to make you have to step off or onto your board a little funny and that's all it takes to tweak it and blow it back up again. and i don't want to hear that "whatever's good for your sanity" bullshit because although it's tough as hell to stay off a board for 6-12 months, the consequences of pushing the limit too far is just plain devastating- i mean, look at me. i'm about to be 3 deep in operations and i'm more of a jaded, cynical prick bastard with every passing month of limited skating and the pain i feel as a result.
it's just fucking stupid, that's all it boils down to. needing to get back on the board for "motivation" to make it through strengthening exercises and all the PT is pure horseshit, your motivation should be the same from the start- to heal up completely and get back to skating the same or better than you were when you got hurt.
i feel very strongly about this because i know i'm right. and i don't want anybody else to go through th same shit i went through, all due to being a dumbass like i was and like JT advises.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
not trying to discourage you but chiiiiiiiiiil dude. Skating will only be fun and you'll think, "oh it doesn't hurt, I'll push it a little harder today". Not a good idea. I'd hit the bike up and do hecka exercises to strengthen it up. You don't want this to linger and if you do the right things now it won't ever be an issue again.
no fucking shit, this is the truth- i'm sure that my choice to go and skate around while it was still swollen and not fully healed from surgery was a big factor in needing a 2nd and now a 3rd surgery.
fuck what JT says about "doing whatever you have to in moderation", what you have to do is heal the fuck up and getting out on your skateboard isn't going to help that. what a terrible fucking piece of advice, "chief", seriously...
I've been there and had 4 knee surgeries as well, I was talking about a stroll down the street to keep your spirits up, not jumping down stairs. And yeah, after it's not swelling with exercise, skating in moderation can help you. It all depends on what type of skating you do. I'm not talking about a few months out, but pumping around a skatepark at 5 or 6 months after a surgery that's recovering properly is good for your muscle response, where as jumping down stuff is like smoking dynamite. Some trainers even work this stuff into the exercise routine with pros after 4 and a 1/2 months.
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I disagree with half of what Sanch said on this one. I'd do wahtever you have to in moderation to keep your sanity. Sometimes a stroll can give you the inspiration you need to keep fighting those exercises.
Yeah but moderation in skating? Is it possible? I can't picture myself stopping an hour in and going "ok guys, gotta rest up the knee." I think hobbies will make time fly a little quicker. Not to sound like a coach but I think the nature of skating is just too unpredictable. One bad move and you could be done. If it's an ankle it's no biggie but a knee is something more serious, and does take a heck of a lot longer to heal. I saw some footage of York re-messing up his knee and it almost brought a tear to my eye to see that.
This is just my advise. I rarely in the past listened to what doctors said regarding how long to stay down but with the knee it's kind of in it's own class next to your cock and balls. Then again, you'd know more than me on the subject. Maybe it's just my fear of the acl injury.
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I think there are nuggets of truth in all the comments above to be honest.
The absolute key is to speak to your physio about what is happening, be frank and lay it all on the line - they will give you good advise about when it is safe to step back on a board.
My experience was pretty bad: I ruptured my ACL, tore my PCL and the cartiledge; the good old English health service spent a while trying to convince me there was no point having operations at all ("you won't be able to run, but we think you should take that route") but I refused to accept that and took private advice.All in all it took 2 years to have all the ops I needed to fix things, and then another year to heal enough to consider skating - the healing took longer because I had a lot done and because it had taken them so long to operate in the first place.
I found it quite traumatising - woke up in cold sweats from dreaming about doing it for a few months afterwards, and really had to think about things and take the decision that my long-term health was the most important thing: I want to be mobile when I'm old basically and that is more important than skating. But I defintiely took the view that I could not let it break me - that it was a random freak accident and unlikely to happen again if I wasn't stupid: once I'd been assured and re-assured by the physio that I would be able to skate again I forced myself to overcome my fears etc - I think I had to really, or risk being miserable and pretty inactive for the rest of my life - whereas now I live a totally normal, active life.
But the physio did say it would be ok to roll - just roll - a few months after the op. The main problem with me was phsychological - I was scared it would go again and that held me back a lot for a while which, in retrospect, was a good thing. I have to admit, like Sanch refers to, I got really frustrated not trying tricks etc and seeing everyone else skating normally, and found it easier to step away from all that until I could actually try to ollie etc (well nollie in my case for the first bit, as that put all the pressure on my good leg)
The other key is to be sensible about it and listen to your body very carefuly. I stepped things up very gradually - I didn't try any flip tricks for months because landing on an uneven surface with a healing knee is not a good move - and there's no way that would not have happened if I'd tried them. I didn't try block tricks or things like that either - not because I didn;t think I could do them, but because I didn't think I could handle the bails. It really is all about how you can handle *not* making the tricks - if you can't handle running properly or slipping out from something, then don't try things that involve that risk until you can handle it..
I found transition easier to skate at first - which seemed a bit weird as I was a street rat - because it is less hard physically; you can just slappy around and not put your body through the stress of ollieing etc. But again you should only skate a ramp if you can handle running out on a transition (and again running downhill is a frequent cause of ACL injuries due to hyperextensions etc, so be wise about it) - even when I could handle running I found myself just throwing myself onto random bits of my body to avoid runnign out: it was good comedy for anyone who skated with me!!
At the end of it, if you have good friends then they will laugh with you as you recover and that will take a lot of the stress out of it!
It is so easy to become jaded and bitter - I mean one minute you're used to skating all the time, being physically active and not even questioning it, the next you're practically housebound and unable to do even the basics: when I first started leaving the house it would take me 2 hours to make it to the video shop 100m away from my front door, and that is hard to handle.
I think the key there is to have, or develop, other interests or hobbies. I love writing (er hence the length of this post) and so wrote loads of stories etc as well as doing other random things (I did a few sensible things with my life like getting a house, which took up most of my time) - I swear it would have been worryingly easy to sit on the couch and just drink all day long to relieve the boredome: it was a bit of a scary insight into how easy it could be to just let go...
The good side though is that, if you are patient and see it all through then all will be well - my knee feels totally fine now and has done for quite some time (at this point it is two years since I started to do stuff again) and all hesitation has pretty much gone as I've proved to myself over time that it won't just randomly go again. I've got a refreshed perspective on skating and enjoy it so much now just because it so nearly got taken away from me - the only thing I don't skate is big drops as, frankly, I'm not paid to do that and have no motivation to risk hurting myself again - don;t let it get you down and all will definitely be well again!
I remember so clearly how I felt at the time; frustrated, scared I'd have a recurring injury, worried my life as I knew it had come to an end, not in a good way
BUT all my fears were pretty mch groundless, and I'm a stronger person from having gone through all of that
Hope this helps, and - sincerely - good luck!
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
not trying to discourage you but chiiiiiiiiiil dude. Skating will only be fun and you'll think, "oh it doesn't hurt, I'll push it a little harder today". Not a good idea. I'd hit the bike up and do hecka exercises to strengthen it up. You don't want this to linger and if you do the right things now it won't ever be an issue again.
no fucking shit, this is the truth- i'm sure that my choice to go and skate around while it was still swollen and not fully healed from surgery was a big factor in needing a 2nd and now a 3rd surgery.
fuck what JT says about "doing whatever you have to in moderation", what you have to do is heal the fuck up and getting out on your skateboard isn't going to help that. what a terrible fucking piece of advice, "chief", seriously...
I've been there and had 4 knee surgeries as well, I was talking about a stroll down the street to keep your spirits up, not jumping down stairs. And yeah, after it's not swelling with exercise, skating in moderation can help you. It all depends on what type of skating you do. I'm not talking about a few months out, but pumping around a skatepark at 5 or 6 months after a surgery that's recovering properly is good for your muscle response, where as jumping down stuff is like smoking dynamite. Some trainers even work this stuff into the exercise routine with pros after 4 and a 1/2 months.
who the hell's talking about "jumping down stuff"? i'm sure as fuck not. i know a guy who had an ACL surgery, spent 9 months in rehab and the first time he went back out on his board, still swollen and a little tender, he put his board down and stepped on it wrong as he started to push off and boom, shit blew up on him again and he had to go and get it all re-done. all because he stepped on his fucking board and got a wobble. i re-injured mine twice by some similar nonsense. the bottom line is that you don't HAVE to be jumping down stairs to make an off balance step or rotation which completely tears everything back apart.
what you're failing to realize/admit, "chief", is not only that you CAN re-fuck shit up w/ the lowest impact and most insignificant/mundane type of motions, but how completely EASY it is to do just that. it's so fucking easy!! you may run your skate companies like a militant concentration camp, and your riders may be fine with that, but for the sake of all us average joes here on the slap messageboard, please stop advising people with ACL/meniscus problems to go out and skate before their knees are completely healed. we like to skate and we don't have a paycheck coming in because of our skating...it's a little tougher to balance a major injury (not to mention a re-injury) w/ your work and personal life when your work and personal life don't revolve around the million dollar skateboarding businesses that you don't own...i mean, how much risk do you really want to advise people to take? don't we all take enough as it is, just being skaters? we should be advised by a "professional" to push the limits when it comes to healing our bodies as well? fuck, man.
if any of you idiots want to listen to old chief sitting bull(shit) here and go have a cruise while you got knee damage, be my guest, but please, remember to come in here and make a topic about it when you fuck up and are faced w/ having to get opened back up all over again and spend another 9-12 months hating life and doing the same shit you've been doing, or worse. it fucking sucks.
this topic is too depressing and now i'm getting angry reading this shit and reflecting on my own experiences with pushing the limits. fuck it, i'm no savior, anybody wanting to go against common sense and doctor's advice can make that choice and live w/ the consequences on their own.
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I found it quite traumatising - woke up in cold sweats from dreaming about doing it for a few months afterwards, and really had to think about things and take the decision that my long-term health was the most important thing: I want to be mobile when I'm old basically and that is more important than skating. But I defintiely took the view that I could not let it break me - that it was a random freak accident and unlikely to happen again if I wasn't stupid: once I'd been assured and re-assured by the physio that I would be able to skate again I forced myself to overcome my fears etc - I think I had to really, or risk being miserable and pretty inactive for the rest of my life - whereas now I live a totally normal, active life.
But the physio did say it would be ok to roll - just roll - a few months after the op. The main problem with me was phsychological - I was scared it would go again and that held me back a lot for a while which, in retrospect, was a good thing. I have to admit, like Sanch refers to, I got really frustrated not trying tricks etc and seeing everyone else skating normally, and found it easier to step away from all that until I could actually try to ollie etc (well nollie in my case for the first bit, as that put all the pressure on my good leg)
word to your first quoted paragraph, but as far as your physio saying it would be ok to roll...doctors know absolutely nothing about skateboarding, nor should they, and therefore they don't take into consideration the rough elements of what we do. rocks, cracks, sticks, wobbly trucks, traffic, people, fucking anything. there's so much variation in what you deal with from session to session of skating that a doctor is in absolutely no position to tell you that you should be partaking in an activity that is plain fucking dangerous in nature, let alone before you've had your proper healing time. ultimately YOU are the only one responsible for your own rehab, and a PT trainer/doc can only generalize and give you a little bit of guidance based upon the absence of any tears in MRI pictures, your range of motion in your leg/knee, and the basic patterns/tendencies of people w/ previous injuries of the same nature. for example, the reason you hear that you'll be out for 6-12 months w/ an ACL surgery is because that's GENERALLY how long it has taken everybody before you. does it mean that you won't take longer to heal? fuck no, because even though we have the same parts, everyone's body is different. you'll get discharged from PT having met your goals for range of motion and strengthening and what not, but they don't just tell you "ok you're good now, go and be the old you and get back into things"- they tell you that you've completed PT and that things may not be completely 100% yet and that ultimately YOU have to make the judgment call as to whether you can or can't do certain things (yet).
and besides, what does a damn doc give a shit if you go out and re-injure yourself? people tend to forget that american healthcare is a BUSINESS, just like everything else. obviously your doc isn't going to be advising you to go hurt yourself, but if you do, what does he really give a shit? it's your responsibility and your problem, and he'll still be there regardless to fix it for you all over again, and at a 5-figure cost at that. ****not to mention, riding a skateboard and pushing are absolutely NOT good ways to stretch and strengthen your knee and the muscles in your legs (riding a bicycle is hands down the best option).**** impact is the biggest thing you focus on steering away from after a knee surgery, and when a doc thinks about you going out on a skateboard for a cruise, he's thinking "oh ok, no impact, that seems alright" without always considering rotative motions that stress the cartilage/ligaments too much and result in (re-)tears.
all in all, it's seriously not a good fucking idea. the only real benefit to getting out and riding around on a board is that it provides a little psychological relief from being off the board so long (lets face it we all love to skate and always want to skate as soon as possible after injuries), but that's just fucking stupid if you're willing to risk perhaps everything just to get out and have a 15 minute cruise around the block that is going to do nothing to help you physically. you've been off the board for how many months now? you can't keep your eyes on the prize and focus for just a little bit longer to make it through the end?
i can't speak for anybody but myself, but i know that when i made that same selfish, impatient choice to get back out on the board, i didn't care about the risk at the time, i just wanted to be get back on my board. and look at me now. you need to realize how easy it is for you to do the same thing and then end up being me when it comes to this situation. shit ain't fun, i advise it to fucking nobody and i think anybody who does is a piece of shit.
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Greg
Not for nothing, I appreciate all your input but can we please keep this thread civil and on the subject of "Help". This has been a very constructive and insightful thread thus far and for the greater good of those seeking some perspective lets keep friendly and non-flammable. I'm not trying to stick up for anybody; but for real, if you wanna go beef with whoever thats cool, just do it in another thread is all I ask.
thanks,
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I'm getting fitted for a knee brace next week, if any of you guys have any insight as to one that is preferred or good please let me know.
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Greg
Not for nothing, I appreciate all your input but can we please keep this thread civil and on the subject of "Help". This has been a very constructive and insightful thread thus far and for the greater good of those seeking some perspective lets keep friendly and non-flammable. I'm not trying to stick up for anybody; but for real, if you wanna go beef with whoever thats cool, just do it in another thread is all I ask.
thanks,
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i'm not "beefing" here, i'm trying to make a few simple truths clear, that's all. i have a foul mouth and my own experiences reflect on the nature of this situation, so i speak from the heart. take it or leave it.
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and every knee brace i've ever had was a piece of shit.
i hate the video, but you ever seen hot chocolate? where mike york has his brace on and his knee still blows up when he slips out of that ss crooked grind? the bars/slots on the sides that are supposed to "stabilize" your knee are worthless when something like that happens.
if a knee brace makes you feel more secure, i say go for it (the ones w/ bars on the sides are the most heavy-duty), but don't expect it to actually help when shit happens. seriously.
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and actually i take offense to the fact that you would simply address me as a shit-starter in here, rather than focusing on the wealth of information that i've provided.
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I'm getting fitted for a knee brace next week, if any of you guys have any insight as to one that is preferred or good please let me know.
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I don't know too many brands - and they're probably different in the UK to where you are so all I can give is a couple of general tips;
Knee braces won't guarantee that nothing will happen again - basically if you seriously mess up then the brace won't make that much difference, but that's kind of obvious.
What the right one will do is give your knee a bit more support while it heals, and afterwards when you start skating again whilst some can warm up the ligaments etc whilst being worn, which can help make thinks more flexible
Don't go for anything with velcro straps or anything like that - I tried those and they really didn't work for me - and the velcro can lose grip after a while. I also got one once with a weird hole over the kneecap - that really sucked too and made it feel like my knee was trying to push through the hole
The one I used (and still use every time I go skating) is a neophrane (pleasue excuse my spelling and terminoloy - I'm soo tired) one - kind of like a thick lycra type thing that I slip over my lef. It warms it up, and there are no holes or straps: so it makes my knee feel pretty sturdy (maybe that's psychological nowdays but I'm not taking a chance)
It will never protect my knee in the event of a bad fall, but it does warm it up and makes it feel a bit tighter and more secure - so it's worked for me :)
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as far as your physio saying it would be ok to roll...doctors know absolutely nothing about skateboarding, nor should they, and therefore they don't take into consideration the rough elements of what we do. rocks, cracks, sticks, wobbly trucks, traffic, people, fucking anything. there's so much variation in what you deal with from session to session of skating that a doctor is in absolutely no position to tell you that you should be partaking in an activity that is plain fucking dangerous in nature, let alone before you've had your proper healing time. ultimately YOU are the only one responsible for your own rehab, and a PT trainer/doc can only generalize and give you a little bit of guidance based upon the absence of any tears in MRI pictures, your range of motion in your leg/knee, and the basic patterns/tendencies of people w/ previous injuries of the same nature.
and besides, what does a damn doc give a shit if you go out and re-injure yourself? people tend to forget that american healthcare is a BUSINESS
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First off, I'm sorry you're going through such a shit time and sincerely hope it all works out. To be honest I think everyone giving advice on here is approaching this thread with the same spirit, whether you agree with their advice or not - I respect anyone who'se had to deal with this shit.
I know and agree that doctors know absolutely nothing about skateboarding. What the physio did know, though, was how a recovering patients leg should behave - mine did plenty of test movements and manipulations and I waited for his say so before I did *anything* - basically when he said that my knee was pretty much back to the state of a normal knee I began considering skating a little: this was some considerable time after the operation. He did care whether I re-hurt myself simply because I'm in England, and so was lucky enough to have the state pay for my injury: so it would have been bad business sense to give me bad advice! I took skate mags, talked loads about it - basically tried to let him know how precarious it is in a bid to have the most informed advice possible
He had me running on a treadmill, jumping on a trampoline and things like that - basically showing that my knee could handle it and that I had to get over the mental side; again I did not skate until some time after this, but I did get pretty thoroughly checked out
When I skated, I did so really carefully and gingerly: again I took months to even try to ollie - I think I had the final op in June and did my first ollie in January - but even after that I gradually built it up over months and months (and probably didn't even try to ollie or skate properly again for a few months after that). Yeah it would have been completely stupid to try anything deemable as a trick for quite a while: I just scooted about a little.
And I agree - riding a bike is a very very good way to strengthen your knee - I rode my bike for months before getting back on a board
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
not trying to discourage you but chiiiiiiiiiil dude. Skating will only be fun and you'll think, "oh it doesn't hurt, I'll push it a little harder today". Not a good idea. I'd hit the bike up and do hecka exercises to strengthen it up. You don't want this to linger and if you do the right things now it won't ever be an issue again.
no fucking shit, this is the truth- i'm sure that my choice to go and skate around while it was still swollen and not fully healed from surgery was a big factor in needing a 2nd and now a 3rd surgery.
fuck what JT says about "doing whatever you have to in moderation", what you have to do is heal the fuck up and getting out on your skateboard isn't going to help that. what a terrible fucking piece of advice, "chief", seriously...
I've been there and had 4 knee surgeries as well, I was talking about a stroll down the street to keep your spirits up, not jumping down stairs. And yeah, after it's not swelling with exercise, skating in moderation can help you. It all depends on what type of skating you do. I'm not talking about a few months out, but pumping around a skatepark at 5 or 6 months after a surgery that's recovering properly is good for your muscle response, where as jumping down stuff is like smoking dynamite. Some trainers even work this stuff into the exercise routine with pros after 4 and a 1/2 months.
who the hell's talking about "jumping down stuff"? i'm sure as fuck not. i know a guy who had an ACL surgery, spent 9 months in rehab and the first time he went back out on his board, still swollen and a little tender, he put his board down and stepped on it wrong as he started to push off and boom, shit blew up on him again and he had to go and get it all re-done. all because he stepped on his fucking board and got a wobble. i re-injured mine twice by some similar nonsense. the bottom line is that you don't HAVE to be jumping down stairs to make an off balance step or rotation which completely tears everything back apart.
what you're failing to realize/admit, "chief", is not only that you CAN re-fuck shit up w/ the lowest impact and most insignificant/mundane type of motions, but how completely EASY it is to do just that. it's so fucking easy!! you may run your skate companies like a militant concentration camp, and your riders may be fine with that, but for the sake of all us average joes here on the slap messageboard, please stop advising people with ACL/meniscus problems to go out and skate before their knees are completely healed. we like to skate and we don't have a paycheck coming in because of our skating...it's a little tougher to balance a major injury (not to mention a re-injury) w/ your work and personal life when your work and personal life don't revolve around the million dollar skateboarding businesses that you don't own...i mean, how much risk do you really want to advise people to take? don't we all take enough as it is, just being skaters? we should be advised by a "professional" to push the limits when it comes to healing our bodies as well? fuck, man.
if any of you idiots want to listen to old chief sitting bull(shit) here and go have a cruise while you got knee damage, be my guest, but please, remember to come in here and make a topic about it when you fuck up and are faced w/ having to get opened back up all over again and spend another 9-12 months hating life and doing the same shit you've been doing, or worse. it fucking sucks.
this topic is too depressing and now i'm getting angry reading this shit and reflecting on my own experiences with pushing the limits. fuck it, i'm no savior, anybody wanting to go against common sense and doctor's advice can make that choice and live w/ the consequences on their own.
'Push the limits', is that what I said?
You're right about everything. You're totally right.
(especially about me running the companies like concentration camps!)
Stay off your board and go to Physical therapy for a year is good advice, but that's conservative and not necessary for everyone.
I think it all depends on the complexity of the injury, the surgery and how much has been invested into rehab.
No need to take your frustration out on me though, you act like what happened to you is my fault.
I was just speaking from my experiences, sorry yours are worse.
If it makes you that mad, I'll delete the first post and replace it with the quote below.
Maybe, it will at least cut down on your pointless insults.
"Stay off the board everybody and stay in rehab!"
-Jamie Thomas
Professional skateboarder
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hirstyrlk
+1 ;)
Woo! ;D
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Greg
I didn't say you were startin any shit, I just want to keep the conversation civil as this thread is now(opens envelope)TADA!
The only resource available on the internet that is conversing SPECIFICALLY about knee surgery and skateboarding; google "skateboarding and ACL" and see how much info you find...so if this is all ANYBODY has why convolute it with angry opinion about someones perspective. We're all in this together in some strange way, shape or form so lets build together and then maybe *just maybe* someone else can find info here that they can use to help them get through their own ordeal accordingly.
All the same, I apologize if I gave you the impression that I'm singling you out as a shit starter. I feel for you and wish you a successful OP and speedy recovery.
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Actually went skating around the hood yesterday evening for the first time in 16 weeks since the surgery. I just did some ollies and pushed around. I'm not heading to El Toro anytime soon that's for fuckin' sure. It felt fuckin' great being back on my board.
not trying to discourage you but chiiiiiiiiiil dude. Skating will only be fun and you'll think, "oh it doesn't hurt, I'll push it a little harder today". Not a good idea. I'd hit the bike up and do hecka exercises to strengthen it up. You don't want this to linger and if you do the right things now it won't ever be an issue again.
no fucking shit, this is the truth- i'm sure that my choice to go and skate around while it was still swollen and not fully healed from surgery was a big factor in needing a 2nd and now a 3rd surgery.
fuck what JT says about "doing whatever you have to in moderation", what you have to do is heal the fuck up and getting out on your skateboard isn't going to help that. what a terrible fucking piece of advice, "chief", seriously...
I've been there and had 4 knee surgeries as well, I was talking about a stroll down the street to keep your spirits up, not jumping down stairs. And yeah, after it's not swelling with exercise, skating in moderation can help you. It all depends on what type of skating you do. I'm not talking about a few months out, but pumping around a skatepark at 5 or 6 months after a surgery that's recovering properly is good for your muscle response, where as jumping down stuff is like smoking dynamite. Some trainers even work this stuff into the exercise routine with pros after 4 and a 1/2 months.
who the hell's talking about "jumping down stuff"? i'm sure as fuck not. i know a guy who had an ACL surgery, spent 9 months in rehab and the first time he went back out on his board, still swollen and a little tender, he put his board down and stepped on it wrong as he started to push off and boom, shit blew up on him again and he had to go and get it all re-done. all because he stepped on his fucking board and got a wobble. i re-injured mine twice by some similar nonsense. the bottom line is that you don't HAVE to be jumping down stairs to make an off balance step or rotation which completely tears everything back apart.
what you're failing to realize/admit, "chief", is not only that you CAN re-fuck shit up w/ the lowest impact and most insignificant/mundane type of motions, but how completely EASY it is to do just that. it's so fucking easy!! you may run your skate companies like a militant concentration camp, and your riders may be fine with that, but for the sake of all us average joes here on the slap messageboard, please stop advising people with ACL/meniscus problems to go out and skate before their knees are completely healed. we like to skate and we don't have a paycheck coming in because of our skating...it's a little tougher to balance a major injury (not to mention a re-injury) w/ your work and personal life when your work and personal life don't revolve around the million dollar skateboarding businesses that you don't own...i mean, how much risk do you really want to advise people to take? don't we all take enough as it is, just being skaters? we should be advised by a "professional" to push the limits when it comes to healing our bodies as well? fuck, man.
if any of you idiots want to listen to old chief sitting bull(shit) here and go have a cruise while you got knee damage, be my guest, but please, remember to come in here and make a topic about it when you fuck up and are faced w/ having to get opened back up all over again and spend another 9-12 months hating life and doing the same shit you've been doing, or worse. it fucking sucks.
this topic is too depressing and now i'm getting angry reading this shit and reflecting on my own experiences with pushing the limits. fuck it, i'm no savior, anybody wanting to go against common sense and doctor's advice can make that choice and live w/ the consequences on their own.
'Push the limits', is that what I said?
You're right about everything. You're totally right.
(especially about me running the companies like concentration camps!)
Stay off your board and go to Physical therapy for a year is good advice, but that's conservative and not necessary for everyone.
I think it all depends on the complexity of the injury, the surgery and how much has been invested into rehab.
No need to take your frustration out on me though, you act like what happened to you is my fault.
I was just speaking from my experiences, sorry yours are worse.
If it makes you that mad, I'll delete the first post and replace it with the quote below.
Maybe, it will at least cut down on your pointless insults.
"Stay off the board everybody and stay in rehab!"
-Jamie Thomas
Professional skateboarder
I think Jamie's right... not the sarcastic answer he gave above... but the one he mentioned earlier about rolling around in moderation. I think it's good physically to get your leg muscles back in shape and getting accustomed to standing and balancing on your board again. Hell, rolling around helps mentally too. Just the feeling of skating down the street makes you feel so damn good it does wonders for the psyche. It's up to how you feel and when you think the time is right.
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I just got home from the hospital, I had the surgery today. it's really not that bad. could be the drugs talking though. mmmm drugs....
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'Push the limits', is that what I said?
You're right about everything. You're totally right.
(especially about me running the companies like concentration camps!)
Stay off your board and go to Physical therapy for a year is good advice, but that's conservative and not necessary for everyone.
I think it all depends on the complexity of the injury, the surgery and how much has been invested into rehab.
No need to take your frustration out on me though, you act like what happened to you is my fault.
I was just speaking from my experiences, sorry yours are worse.
If it makes you that mad, I'll delete the first post and replace it with the quote below.
Maybe, it will at least cut down on your pointless insults.
"Stay off the board everybody and stay in rehab!"
-Jamie Thomas
Professional skateboarder
I think Jamie's right... not the sarcastic answer he gave above... but the one he mentioned earlier about rolling around in moderation. I think it's good physically to get your leg muscles back in shape and getting accustomed to standing and balancing on your board again. Hell, rolling around helps mentally too. Just the feeling of skating down the street makes you feel so damn good it does wonders for the psyche. It's up to how you feel and when you think the time is right.
For the record, my last post was half serious. I don't want anyone jacking themselves up because of me.
Greg took my few words and ran with it while venting in every direction, but regardless I want to encourage people to get well.
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I just got home from the hospital, I had the surgery today. it's really not that bad. could be the drugs talking though. mmmm drugs....
Take care man!
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I just got home from the hospital, I had the surgery today. it's really not that bad. could be the drugs talking though. mmmm drugs....
Keep your head up. Share your pills.
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hehehe.
Stay positive and be on a mission with your therapy. It's the most important thing you could do now. You got a lot of good advice from a lot of heads. Do what you feel is right and try to be patient.
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mikey, jamie, henry, good looks guys! its not as bad as i thought it would be to be honest. i'm actually really hyped, i'm glad it's gonna be sooner then later that i'll be able to skate again. and again, thanks for the support and advice. its helping alot.
and about the pill thing, vicadins always have hurt my stomach and made me wanna puke, so i got the doctor to give me some extra strength ones because thats cash money on the streets baby! i only had to take two during all today as well, its good times. i've already traded pills for packs of smokes and hooked some friends up. sharing is caring! or something like that.
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For the record, my last post was half serious. I don't want anyone jacking themselves up because of me.
Greg took my few words and ran with it while venting in every direction, but regardless I want to encourage people to get well.
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I think that's pretty clear to (almost) everyone whose followed this - and fair play for taking the time to give the benefit of your experiences (as with everyone on here)
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mikey, jamie, henry, good looks guys! its not as bad as i thought it would be to be honest. thats life. riding high in april, shot down in may haha.. but yeah, i'm actually really hyped, i'm glad it's gonna be sooner then later that i'll be able to skate again. and again, thanks for the support and advice. its helping alot.
and about the pill thing, vicadins always have hurt my stomach and made me wanna puke, so i got the doctor to give me some extra strength ones because thats cash money on the streets baby! i only had to take two during all today as well, its good times. i've already traded pills for packs of smokes and hooked some friends up. sharing is caring! or something like that.
Good for you - hang in there and all will be well
Personally I also tried not to take too many painkillers - I just preferred to listen to what my body was telling me; the last thing I wanted was to numb out the fact that I was doing something wrong!
& for now, prepare to become a film expert!!
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man, i take back all that stuff. it was definetly the drugs talking. i went to go to sleep last ngiht and puked up the pills as i was brushing my teeth. maybe didnt eat enough? that was like 3 o clock. here i am now. i dont think i slept longer than 10 minutes without waking up. so yeah, to sum it up, shit SUCKS, however good it was going, its now going as bad. shit is borrrrring!! arrrggg!!!
jamie want to hook up a mystery vid? haha! but seriously?
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man, i take back all that stuff. it was definetly the drugs talking. i went to go to sleep last ngiht and puked up the pills as i was brushing my teeth. maybe didnt eat enough? that was like 3 o clock. here i am now. i dont think i slept longer than 10 minutes without waking up. so yeah, to sum it up, shit SUCKS, however good it was going, its now going as bad. shit is borrrrring!! arrrggg!!!
jamie want to hook up a mystery vid? haha! but seriously?
Good luck fam ;)
I know it hurts like hell...its all for the promise of a better tomorrow(or a better 6 months)
Did they give you an ice machine and a continuous motion machine?
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thanks god! they gave me one of those ice things. its not to advanced of one though, but its doing the job. the thing that wraps around your knee hooks up to some water cooler looking thing and you have to drain/fill for a while. its working good though, doing the job.
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That's what I had. It did it's job, for sure.
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thanks god! they gave me one of those ice things. its not to advanced of one though, but its doing the job. the thing that wraps around your knee hooks up to some water cooler looking thing and you have to drain/fill for a while. its working good though, doing the job.
I'm all over those things, I wish the fukkers let me keep it :) I did ask them if I could and they said if I got $600+ I could(hence, the fukkers)
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yeah this one isnt to advanced, i'm pretty sure i get to keep it. the insurance didnt cover it but it was really cheap. kinda weird.
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i wasn't hurting that bad after surgery (although i was claiming to so that i could keep a steady variety of narcotics coming in), but the feelings of being more or less incapacitated do get to be monotonous. one thing i havent said yet that i thoroughly endorse is smoking weed. it's great for curing boredom.
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yeah this one isnt to advanced, i'm pretty sure i get to keep it. the insurance didnt cover it but it was really cheap. kinda weird.
What the's brand name?! I want that shit...this thing has amazing potential for ankle rolls. You roll your shit, come home, hook that shit up, and then roll your *other* shit. TADA!
word,
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This is similar to what I have.
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<b>Stand and Deliver</b>
:o
Must...have...need...
/How much you want for it
//No guns, no drugs
///J/k that shit's tight as hell!
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I actually forgot I had it, shit's up on a shelve in the garage.
I don't know if I want to sell it though.
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I got one of these to help shock the muscles back into shape... just like Bruce Lee. You can even use it to relieve sore muscles. This thing is pretty awesome.
(http://webideas.com/biofeedback/images/inselect.jpg)
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<b>Math Professor</b>
Jeezus H christ, a portable electro-stim machine :o Damn, you guys are ballers for real. ;D
Saaay, where do you live...
/That shits tight pt.2
//checks E-bay
///don't let me see you at the check-cashing..
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little update. i havnt needed pain pills for a few days, i can walk almost normally without any crutches or anything, and i've been shagging more then i did before my surgery. for some reason the ladies love a hurt man. so good! but yeah, the knee feels soooo much better than before surgery, im HYPED!! shit is niiiiiiiiiice!!!
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Cool - that's one thing I noticed straight away - that my knee felt "right" after surgery!
Forgot about the ladies part - yeah that is one real nice side-effect!!
Now comes the patience game - whatever you do, take it easy: you've years and years of skating ahead of you so there's no point risking that for the sake of a few months :)
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little update. i havnt needed pain pills for a few days, i can walk almost normally without any crutches or anything, and i've been shagging more then i did before my surgery. for some reason the ladies love a hurt man. so good! but yeah, the knee feels soooo much better than before surgery, im HYPED!! shit is niiiiiiiiiice!!!
Shag safely, 1 reach-around and it's over...
And you ain't really pimpin unless they're cookin too...
/hate on hate ;)
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Cool - that's one thing I noticed straight away - that my knee felt "right" after surgery!
Forgot about the ladies part - yeah that is one real nice side-effect!!
Now comes the patience game - whatever you do, take it easy: you've years and years of skating shagging ahead of you so there's no point risking that for the sake of a few months :)
/fixed that for ya
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Haha yeah looks better like that
Shagger for life yo!
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This is similar to what I have.
that is the same thing that the doctor prescribed me when i had ACL surgery. I wish I still had it. I was also on some crazy machine that bent your knee for you while you laid around and watched TV/ slept. It has been two years since my reconstruction surgery. I went with using a piece of my hamstring to rebuild with. I wish I had taken physical therapy a little more serious. They gave me a long list of good excercises. After a few weeks when the knee felt better, I stopped doing the recommended excercises. I have good motion on that leg, but it is not as good as my healthy knee. If I had stayed on the program longer, I would probably be better off today.
I cannot stress this enough. Riding a bicycle is the best excersise during your rehabilitation. After a good bike ride, I would seriously get stoked on my new knee.
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This is similar to what I have.
that is the same thing that the doctor prescribed me when i had ACL surgery. I wish I still had it. I was also on some crazy machine that bent your knee for you while you laid around and watched TV/ slept. It has been two years since my reconstruction surgery. I went with using a piece of my hamstring to rebuild with. I wish I had taken physical therapy a little more serious. They gave me a long list of good excercises. After a few weeks when the knee felt better, I stopped doing the recommended excercises. I have good motion on that leg, but it is not as good as my healthy knee. If I had stayed on the program longer, I would probably be better off today.
I cannot stress this enough. Riding a bicycle is the best excersise during your rehabilitation. After a good bike ride, I would seriously get stoked on my new knee.
You're talking about that CPM machine. I hated that damn thing. I had to keep my leg it that for 6 hours a day for 6 weeks. Riding a bike is definitely the best excercise. My doc told me to get on a bike as soon as I felt I could peddle.
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looks like i have a torn MCL. going to see orthopedic dude tomorrow. curious if anyone has had specifically just an MCL tear before? and how long it took to rehab... didn't want to start a new topic on this.. thanks in advance on any feedback. and i appreciate the feedback in the above . curious how you ACL guys are holding up
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All's good with mine - I've never really had a problem with mine since stepping back on a board, th!ough I've steered clear of big drops since hurting mine just in case; it hasn't stopped me doing anything else though - life is good!
I did my ACL and PCL - I don't know much about MCL's though I'd be careful if the "CL" stands for cruciate ligament as shit can get nasty if it is something that won't heal on its own (I don't think ligaments necessarily do) - so don't ignore any advice as I did that and it pretty much ended up crippling me for a couple of years
Hope it's going well anyway and good luck with it!
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looks like i have a torn MCL. going to see orthopedic dude tomorrow. curious if anyone has had specifically just an MCL tear before? and how long it took to rehab... didn't want to start a new topic on this.. thanks in advance on any feedback. and i appreciate the feedback in the above . curious how you ACL guys are holding up
i tore my MCL last April. I tore mine, but i didnt need surgery. I went on crutches for about 2 months, then went to a rotating knee brace that lets you bend your knee. All in all, i was fully recovered by the beginning of july.
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I have found out that my ACL and the cartilage in my knee is beyond fucked up. As it stands at the moment, I can walk without crutches but every step is something god awful. When sitting down in chair or whatever....I can barely lift my knee to make it straight. For some reason today though I was able to hop on a board and push with it switch. It felt good. I have zero pop and can't ollie or do anything at the moment though. I am not trying to make it worse. I realise that I'm 35 and my days on board are probably really numbered and that hurts by itself because skating is something I've put 23 years of my life into and still love it. That is also why I like to come here and stay on top of shit. Anyways, I hope everyone out there dealing with kind of junk can stay up and try to think positive. I try but it gets me down too. Take care fellas...
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Shit, sorry to hear that man. All I can say is that it is fixable, so get it sorted. If it isn't that easy due to medical bills, then I'd really toy with the idea of moving somewhere with free healthcare (eg canada?) for a bit, and then getting it fixed there. That's probably wayy too simplistic, but what I'm trying to say is that it really sounds like you need to get it fixed, and that there's no need to get down as you'll be on a board for years to come with no problems if you get it done
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Can you still skate if you tear your acl and just work out the muscles surrounding it?
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Can you still skate if you tear your acl and just work out the muscles surrounding it?
Short answer-no. The muscles might help keep your knee together, which is usually one of the ACL's jobs, but the pain will be unbearable whenever you try to do tricks. And the major problem is the ACL is very important with bending and straightening your leg as well as supporting it, so if you try to fuck around with it still torn, then you're going to mess up the cartilage/meniscus, as well as the other ligaments in your knee.
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so if i can do kickflips without any pain after a month of rest... maybe i didn't even tear my acl?
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If it's possible for you, go see a doc and get an MRI. I don't really know how insurance things work in the US but if that's in any way manageable for you, do it. Like oyolar said, you'll fuck things up even more if you keep skating with the torn ligament. Just not worth it in the long run.
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no insurance, not happening yet
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so if i can do kickflips without any pain after a month of rest... maybe i didn't even tear my acl?
That's hard to tell that happened to me too, but then one trick i landed wrong i completely made it worse after a month or so rest.
I just tore/really hurt my meniscus again i think, R.I.C.E for me. The first time it worked so i am hoping this time it'll work also.
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I have found out that my ACL and the cartilage in my knee is beyond fucked up. As it stands at the moment, I can walk without crutches but every step is something god awful. When sitting down in chair or whatever....I can barely lift my knee to make it straight. For some reason today though I was able to hop on a board and push with it switch. It felt good. I have zero pop and can't ollie or do anything at the moment though. I am not trying to make it worse. I realise that I'm 35 and my days on board are probably really numbered and that hurts by itself because skating is something I've put 23 years of my life into and still love it. That is also why I like to come here and stay on top of shit. Anyways, I hope everyone out there dealing with kind of junk can stay up and try to think positive. I try but it gets me down too. Take care fellas...
naw
im only one knee deep and still 21, but my pops has done two complete tears left knee two complete tears right before they even knew how to do the surgeries properly and hes 55 - plays competitive soccer, skis gnarly shit, etc etc.
get the surgery and ride the bike/swim/go to the gym and never ever stop. it sucks if youre someone like me who never did any of those things before surgery but it beats doing nothing.
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so if i can do kickflips without any pain after a month of rest... maybe i didn't even tear my acl?
If you can do shit like that, then no, you probably didn't tear it. Granted, I didn't exactly tear my ACL (I broke off the bone loop the ACL uses to hook onto the shin bone and then cut the other 2 ligaments), but I did a stationary ollie and was on the ground almost in tears. So doing anything with no pain sounds like a good sign to me. BUT, once you can, make sure to get it checked out so you don't screw yourself over in the long run.
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Thanks for the replies, hopefully I can find a way to get an affordable mri soon.
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I wouldn't advise you to keep an eye out for any corporate premesis with water or something similar on the floor, "slip" over and sue the shit out of them so that you get the scan done.. that would be unethical...
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ive torn my acl 3 times now and its been my experience that walking around and bending the knee feels fine after about two weeks after the injury (before the surgery). ive done a few tricks on a torn acl and no it doesnt always hurt but the thing is if you land on your bad leg even a little bit off center your knee will just buckle. it may not hurt but you cant really skate on a torn acl.
also, even if your acl doesnt turn out to be torn theres a good chance youve already weakened it and should probably be careful skating, maybe get a brace. its common for acl tears to happen in two incidents, one that weakens the tissue and then another that fully tears it.
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walking down stairs hurts
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i was watching that chris cole thign where he tries to 360 flip raul wallenburg 60 times or whatever and i was getting so stoked like "fuck this summer i am going to start skating stairs again and just jumping down it 100 times til i get it" and now i am hearing all this shit i am having 2nd thoughts about all that. i dont know if gnarly skating is really for me anymore. there is this crazy handrail by my house that only rollerbladers have done and i am super convinced i can 5050 it and im pretty sure no one has ever even thought about hitting it on a skateboard and it would be really rad. i am lucky i have hardly ever gotten hurt skating especially the last 5 years or so, but i think i have a lot better understanding of my ability level as well, but i think i have also been a lot more of a pussy too.
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i fell really awkwardly on my left leg with my knee locked and it just twisted and popped, the drop wasn't much taller than 5ft but my fat ass was enough to make me buckle
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sounds pretty much like exactly the kind of fall thats torn my acl every time, also every time ive gone to an orthopedist one of the first things they ask me is if i heard/felt a pop right when it happened or a little after.
its kind of hard to do to yourself, but the lachmans test is a pretty easy way to tell if you tore your acl or not. make sure your muscles n shit are relaxed, then basically just grab your thigh with one hand, above the knee, and your shin right below the knee cap with your other and apply pressure on each in opposite directions. if you can feel a considerable amount of give, like if you can move each part of your leg independently, then you probably tore something. im not sure if thats understandable but yeah whatever you did definitely does not sound good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfN-p-xZx24
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i tore my MCL early this year and heard a loud pop. you can get the pop from other ligaments too apparently. i felt lucky to get the MCL tear because i didn't need surgery . i joined a gym to recuperate my knee and now i feel like my legs and knees are better than ever .
for anyone reading this who hasn't had an injury i would strongly recommend stretching a lot. stay flexible . and, exercise your knees. you don't have to join a gym but having more muscle supporting your knees is a good thing - there are lots of exercises for that like stairs or bike etc..
i'm tempted to start doing yoga (especially after reading that Ramondetta interview. though it still seems kind of.. what's the word? gay
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been to the doc, he said that he couldn't tell for sure but that there was "some" play there, could be stretched and/or torn
p.s. yoga is def. one of the best things for you
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So I got an MRI, and its torn. Time to go under the knife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU5CYtvgc5E
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enjoy your pain meds and seriously dont try to skate before youre fully healed.
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dont try to skate before youre fully healed.
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Just got my reconstruction yesterday. Feels so good to finally know that I'll skate again.
edit: pic (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs183.ash2/44635_529382458177_202602065_31029264_3373873_n.jpg)
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Nice battle scar! Just be patient and you'll be rolling again - in fact you've GOT to roll again to get over the mental shit. Mine almost seems like a bad dream now - it doesn't hold me back at all aside from knowing I'll never be comping Reynolds on big sets. Hang in there man, the worst is over :)
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Nice battle scar! Just be patient and you'll be rolling again - in fact you've GOT to roll again to get over the mental shit. Mine almost seems like a bad dream now - it doesn't hold me back at all aside from knowing I'll never be comping Reynolds on big sets. Hang in there man, the worst is over :)
Thx for the encouragement, it's been 2'weeks and i can feel the strength slowly coming back. I should be back on board in no time! Cannot wait to grab a new deck and wheels to hit the streets.
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ACL going under the knife. Any rehab tips?
hit up cliff if you havnt already he knows his shit
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almost 3 months since the surgery, skating flat and it feels great
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almost 3 months since the surgery, skating flat and it feels great
word to your mother.
keep on the leg rehab exercises and stretch and stay limber
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Ok, here's my history.
Like 8 years ago I hurt my knee jumping some shit, after some weeks it got better and I started skating again, after some time I started feeling some pain in the same knee when I stepped the fucked leg at some kind of way.
After that, everything was smooth, skating almost everyday without any complain, 4 months ago I hurt it really bad doing a fucking boardslide in a stupid flatbar. Went to the doctor, got the MRI today and read it myself, there's a lot of fucked up shit there... next doctor appointment is in the end of this month.
Shit, I can't do any tricks because I feel my knee is kind of separate from my leg. Nothing hurts while walking though, unless I step my foot in some way, then I feel the sharp pain in my knee.
Let's see what doctor says when he sees the MRI. I am sure I will need surgery. I am 30 years old, it's been hella boring not to skate.
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Got my surgery done two weeks ago. Just started physiotherapy today. Hope get back skateing in 8 months or something. Stocked!
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Got my surgery done two weeks ago. Just started physiotherapy today. Hope get back skateing in 8 months or something. Stocked!
nice! i got my surgery 4 weeks ago on my acl, lateral and medial meniscus. still on crutches but i do my little exercises.
this shit is maddening and i dont know what im gonna do with myself for the next few months.
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Got my surgery done two weeks ago. Just started physiotherapy today. Hope get back skateing in 8 months or something. Stocked!
nice! i got my surgery 4 weeks ago on my acl, lateral and medial meniscus. still on crutches but i do my little exercises.
this shit is maddening and i dont know what im gonna do with myself for the next few months.
almost 3 weeks now, about to leave the crutch! Nothing hurts, PT two times a week. Daily exercises two times a day. I gotta say that the physiotherapy is the most important part of this shit.
Good luck bro!
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Got my surgery done two weeks ago. Just started physiotherapy today. Hope get back skateing in 8 months or something. Stocked!
nice! i got my surgery 4 weeks ago on my acl, lateral and medial meniscus. still on crutches but i do my little exercises.
this shit is maddening and i dont know what im gonna do with myself for the next few months.
almost 3 weeks now, about to leave the crutch! Nothing hurts, PT two times a week. Daily exercises two times a day. I gotta say that the physiotherapy is the most important part of this shit.
Good luck bro!
thanks dude! i am actually strolling around a bit without crutches now. the doctors gave me a shit ton more exercises to do so I'm feel in good about all this.
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3 weeks since my surgery, everything is going well.
Not a substitute for physio, but my surgeon gave me this link and I've found it very helpful.
info/ rehab tips for knee, shoulder, and achilles injuries:
http://banffsportmed.com/your-injury-2/