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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.

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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.

Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.

[FunnyBunny]

Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.

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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.

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Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.

this getting them to slide everywhere is nonsense. dragons are good for what they are, but the hyperbole around them is too much.

[Frank and Fred]

Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

Intriguing.

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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.

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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.

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Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.

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this getting them to slide everywhere is nonsense. dragons are good for what they are, but the hyperbole around them is too much.

I didn't claim to get them slide everywhere, but in most places. I ride them myself so I'm not pointing at someone elses opinion and experiences about them.

[Uncle Flea]

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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.

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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.

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Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.

Nah I agree. The dragons slide like WTF! WOW. I'm just regular ole Spit man.

My heart is made of f4.

Bones late 80s 95-97 is made of God cum tho. A pal told me it's like that because urethane is like better over time. Like wine I guess. I don't drank like ever tho.

I'm an acid man

[FunnyBunny]

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Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

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Intriguing.

Okay found it……I may be reaching here but at 2:35:45 he says he’s got something comparable, and cracks a smile.  So Spitfire dragon-like formula confirmed.

https://youtu.be/NV1yRnyohbM?si=23lPRgeFJmy8R95B

[Uncle Flea]

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Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

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Intriguing.

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Okay found it……I may be reaching here but at 2:35:45 he says he’s got something comparable, and cracks a smile.  So Spitfire dragon-like formula confirmed.

https://youtu.be/NV1yRnyohbM?si=23lPRgeFJmy8R95B

I wonder what the secret is? It's definitely something to do with the glossy ness

I bet it's Satori additives from their genius attempts.

I wish more than anything that olive oil shit worked out for at least bushings.

We're all going to get cancer in California someday.

[Xen]

Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

Except he didn't mention spitfire at all? Reaching....Just because he rides 99a spits doesn't mean the wheels he's talking about are spits...however, we can only hope/I hope you are right.

Bones late 80s 95-97 is made of God cum tho. A pal told me it's like that because urethane is like better over time. Like wine I guess.

For the most part, all 'good' 97a wheels back then were amazing because the urethane was petroleum based: OJ street razors and Slimeballs (rat bones, vision blurrs too) were the best modern wheel shapes until spit came along - literally no one ever complained about a 97a wheel not being able to slide (tho 95a pretty much sucked) as they all slid and slid better than what we have today the caveat here is they also wore down/coned super fucking fast by today's standards.

We had this hill near a curb/manny spot and we always did powerslide comps (because powerslides were a thing and shit rarely flatspotted) to see who could go the farthest, you could get 10' plus if you could hold them; F4 spits are closest you can get to how the old wheels felt, no joke, but the slide isn't even close to old wheels.

[Frank and Fred]

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Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

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Except he didn't mention spitfire at all? Reaching....Just because he rides 99a spits doesn't mean the wheels he's talking about are spits...however, we can only hope/I hope you are right.

Yeah but he talked a lot about being a product advisor for DLX and working with Jim T. I'd say there's good chance.

[Uncle Flea]

https://youtu.be/yC2NqzGN-vk?si=db2UJsN2yyiLuRit

The Dad Bloard weighed a bunch of wheels.

Went exactly as my feet thought

Ogs are lighter than Conicals.

I wanna see tabs vs classics now pretty badly

Everyone loves the OGs. It's the god shape.

[rawbertson.]

It would be amazing if they called them like Leviathans or some sort of fire breathing mythical beast that slays dragons 
when crob / roger offered the dragons, ben was kinda like "im good" lol

[typeischeap]

Everyone loves the OGs. It's the god shape.

I'm not everyone but they effectively cured my wheel madness. Or maybe trying every shape last year did that, lol.

[munchbox]

dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?

[tzhangdox]

dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?

Quite square, more so than a conical. My only gripe. If they rounded out the lip more like a radial and decreased the riding surface (so its more like a bones v5) I'd be so hyped

[Rick Trapasso]

dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?

Been a while since i've held some but iirc they almost appear to be beveled on the inside edge then it sort of smooths out towards the outside edge

pretty decent up close pics here

https://thepremierstore.com/products/formula-four-99-og-classic-58mm?variant=32355535061057&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2018-09-29&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA1-6sBhAoEiwArqlGPnWxnptRqf0YLZa0u6HgBuQ_OYNsyxGB8FV9Wj3U_hGMTUGxhT7YdhoCxCQQAvD_BwE

[Xen]

Do they not make the OG classics in 101? Might have to just dip for 101 conicals or STF 103 V5s.

[Mbrimson88]

Do they not make the OG classics in 101? Might have to just dip for 101 conicals or STF 103 V5s.

No, just the original formula and the Formula Four 99s.

dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?

When I saw them in person, they were thinner overall than I first thought and a little more square than almost anything else besides Tablets from the Spitfire wheel range.

Then when I skated some, they skated well and I didn't have any issues, so although I thought they might have been a bit too square, they worked well.

Once they wore down some, they did get very sharp on the edge, but I am used to angle grinding the edges to round them off some more.  Might not quite be something most people could see as an easy alternative to Conical Full, or even just normal Conical shaped wheels, but they are quite popular and people like the graphic on them too, the swirl indented rather than on the whole face of the wheel or the smaller black ring on the other side with the info on them.

Funny how a graphic can sell a wheel so well in some cases.

[Frank and Fred]

Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

[tzhangdox]

Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

Relatively slim profile with a wide contact patch, cutaway in the middle so a little lighter.

For me I mostly like the swirl graphic that doesnt fade because of the cutaway. Personally would prefer a more rounded lip like a radial or something at the expense of less riding surface. Its not my favourite shape but its good

[moonordie]

Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

In my case skating came little easier to me. Lock in was great and the overall feel was amazing.

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Relatively slim profile with a wide contact patch, cutaway in the middle so a little lighter.

For me I mostly like the swirl graphic that doesnt fade because of the cutaway. Personally would prefer a more rounded lip like a radial or something at the expense of less riding surface. Its not my favourite shape but its good

what is your favorite shape?

[flintstagram]

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In my case skating came little easier to me. Lock in was great and the overall feel was amazing.

Word. They just feel good. They look cool and they lock in well, and for whatever reason all of my tricks just feel better. Probably because they’re a hair lighter than conical fulls. I don’t like hollow trucks because they feel weird, but a slightly lighter wheel than confull feels good.

[intendedreceivers]

Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

Best way I can describe it is they’re a very stable-feeling wheel, lots of ground contact, lots of leverage to turn, but lighter than most wheels that give you those things. I feel like the square-ish profile locks in nicely and gives good feedback.

[Frank and Fred]

Nice. I can never commit to one shape. For years I did not really care so much about wheel shape but these days, I go back and fore way too much. Flip tricks are def better on classics but I like a  wider contact patch for the terrain up here in the PNW. Square wheels like Conical Fulls and OG Classics are great on transition but in bigger sizes are more prone to wheel bite and sluggish flips. Currently on some Locks ins which are a nice compromise but I really like rotating wheels as they wear. I have radials in the pile also, in the quest for a good all rounder.

My fav wheel of the last decade was actually a set of 58mm classics I took down to about 50mm. So essentially a Classic full by the time they were 54mm. Great shape as they wore.

[Xen]

Man, they used to drop massive amounts of pro wheels way back:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irnsuperior.com%2Fcatalog%2Fcatalog%2Fsf-spring15-drop2.pdf&psig=AOvVaw05Epq3G9njhmu_7PTh4TJh&ust=1704918387260000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCJCo-4mS0YMDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAS

[munchbox]

classic full sizing for anyone interested
or future search purposes


seems like the available equivalent is the normal radials

[Mbrimson88]

classic full sizing for anyone interested
or future search purposes


seems like the available equivalent is the normal radials

* Sorry if this sounds like a whinge - not meant to be, just information to share.



I had posted about this before, mainly because it is something I am a little bit OCD about, but I find it a bit annoying they have never fixed the charts and everything say the same thing, that Classic Full wheels are barely wider than the normal Classic wheels, which in fact for the 56 and 58 mm sizes is not true, as I have lots of both and really used to only ride the 56 mm Classic Full wheels on my normal board, with the 58 mm on bigger setups. 

They are closer to / wider than the Conical Full overall widths in those bigger sizes.


That said, this is a post from a while back:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4002140#msg4002140


 If you were looking for anything 54 mm or under, they are not that different, but 56 mm and 58 mm Classic Full wheels are a lot wider overall, as per the pics from the wheel listings.

I prefer the 56 mm size more as a transition / all rounder, but the smaller ones are good for small street / tech stuff, in the same way normal Classic 54 mm wear down a mm or two and widen out nicely.


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.

[Uncle Flea]

Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

It's main benefit is the graphic.

That black line is perfection. I think it's on the lock in. Definitely something similar. I had to let a homie know more than once that they're skating them backwards cuz they wanted the fresh graphic out.

The og spiral is the best version of the spiral too. I feel the same as ba. The classic spiral is too big. I can't grind 50% of it off fast enough.

Performance wise

They have a large contact patch and they are light
I think it's the third lightest shape. After classic and tabs. I assume the tabs.

They have a rounded edge it stays rounded for at least 5mm.  Flipping the board is easy with 58mm ogs. Easier than with 54 radial fulls. Wheels are really close in shape but it's noticeable.

The 58mm og is hands down the best shape in skatebloarding.
 I imagine because it's shaped similar to slime balls. That wheel was so sick.

The radial is my second favorite. I believe because the OG is basically a radial that weighs less cuz of the side cuts.

Classic 3rd after it's nice and warn down.

Og is perfect for the duration of the wheel.

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It's main benefit is the graphic.

Dude's got a point, unintrusive and doesn't scrape off after 1 session.