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Yeah, it's quite interesting how so many stories about criminal refugees in Germany and Austria are set in some small town or village, and then when they are investigated it turns out that they were made up. It's sad that this sort of fascist fear mongering still works today, when facts can be easily checked on the internet.
I dont know man?
Even the police cheif in Ostersund spoke out about it. And women being advised to stay off the streets at night because its become too dangerous.
What would the reasoning be for this type of fear mongering?
Alan is actually correct. That's exactly what's been happening in Germany for the past few months. Someone posts about refugees raping / molesting / beating / eating someone and then very likely others look into it and find out it didn't happen or the police denies the incident. I'm not saying this thing doesn't exist; it does (as Cologne proved), but I think it's far less of a problem than many believe. There's actually no serious statistic for an increase in rape in particular or crime in general in Germany.
All paranoia aside, all the German towns and cities I know (and I've lived in Germany for most of my life) are still really, really safe. And I mean safe as in I-don't-know-anyone-who-got-mugged-like-ever kinda safe.
Is this really any different in Sweden?
Swedish police covering up refugee crimes , filing them under a new secret code to prevent media finding out about it ?
No go zones in swedish ghettos where ambulances and fire department need armed police escort . And police wont go into and patrol unless they have a extra back up with them ?
Ghettos with 90% unemployment and less then 1 % Swedish born people
Ghettos with Sharia law enforcing patrols , Harassing muslims and none muslims to wear hajib and follow sharia law
Or what about that Australian 60 mins crew who were doing a report on integration / refugees in Sweden who went to a ghetto and got assaulted , pelted with rocks and needed a police escort
Don't get me wrong, but do you have any serious sources for that? I'm not saying you don't, but I'd like to see them. And The thing is that the exact same scenarios are depicted in German far-right internet posts (as Alan pointed out to you) and are debunked hours later. Just sayin'.
Just a general observation, some people in this thread are acting like Sweden is a war zone. Are we still talking about the Sweden that's top-tier for... well... almost everything? Like GDP, education, crime, health care, social security, you name it? No offense, but if you seriously think that things in Sweden are rough, you're completely out of your mind. Of all the places I've ever visited, G�teborg was by far the closest to the way things should be. If you haven't done so, I suggest you do a little bit of travelling or look at international comparison statistics... I know you're claiming that things went downhill ever since those refugees came in, but living in a country that took up 1,500,000 refugees in the past two years, I find that a little hard to believe. Believe it or not, but I have a hard time seeing an increase in crime over here. That's the perception of me and pretty much everyone I know in Germany. And as the article below indicates, the numbers speak the same language.
http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890However, sadly, that's not the case for all crimes. See article below:
http://www.dw.com/en/attacks-on-refugees-in-germany-double-in-three-months/a-18833991Note 1: DW (Deutsche Welle) is a serious, official news program. It's tough to find English-speaking articles on German domestic issues. Just trust me that various serious newspapers confirm this point of view.
Note 2: I'm not saying immigration is easy and without problems. It clearly is. I'm also not saying that immigrants aren't more likely to commit crimes than the "orignial population". However, these problems are a) more complex and b) not as impossible to solve as people on here pretend to believe.
Watch the German election going on now . You can see the far right coming into power again . This is Merkels own fult for bringing in all these refugees . All over Europe the Right is rising again .
I just want you to take a couple of things in to account. State elections happened in three states: Baden-Wuerttemberg, Rheinland-Pfalz and Sachsen-Anhalt. Here's the situation in each three:
Baden-Wuerttemberg: The green party won this election and will head the state government. The green party in general and their candidate in particular supported Merkel's immigration policy. Their victory can be seen as a little surprise, since they're not considered one of the two "major" parties. It's not a stretch to say that voters supported Merkel's immigration policy by voting green.
Rheinland-Pfalz: The social-democrats won this election. They did very, very badly in the two other elections. The candidate in Rheinland-Pfalz is clearly pro-immigration and supports Merkel. The federal head of the party is rather undecided. Many view this vote as an indication that voters supported a pro-Merkel social democrat and punished the party's general indecision in the two other states.
Sachsen-Anhalt: The conservatives (CDU / Merkel's party) and right-wing populists (AFD) came out as the two strongest parties. This election can be seen as a clear anti-immigration vote. Sachsen-Anhalt is an Easter German state. Eastern Germany in general and Sachsen-Anhalt in particular are a) economically weaker than West Germany, b) have only few immigrants, and c) have immense problems with right-wing extremism and racism. To a degree, it's to Germany what a Deep Southern state like Mississippi or Tennessee is to the US. In a nutshell, the political climate in Eastern Germany is completely different from West Germany. For obvious historical reasons...
And then here's the situation for two parties:
CDU / Merkel's party: This party is the clear overall loser of the election. There seem to be two reasons: a) A lot of traditional conservative voters don't agree with Merkel's policy and voted right-wing populists. b) This party has had its fair share of internal conflicts over Merkel's immigration policy. Some support it, other are outright against it. There's no coherence at all. Voters seem to have punished the party's general indecision.
AFD: This is the right-wing populist party. Yes, they're this election's clear winners. They're the only party that came up with a satisfactory result in all three states. They got more than 10% in RLP and BW (West Germany) and more about 25% in SA (Eastern Germany). There's been a right-wing backlash in Germany in the past few months (ever since Cologne) and this party contributed to this and benefitted from it at the same time. This is also a sign that a lot of conservative voters have moved to the right and are not happy with the conservative party and Merkel's lax immigration policy. You're completely right as far as this is concerned. However, keep in mind that minor parties of all colors have seen landslide successes in the past. Some of them (Piratenpartei, Schillpartei, to a degree also FDP) have vanished shortly after.
However, this doesn't represent Germany as a whole. In fact, it rather seems like Germany is really divided over the refugee debate right now. Divided means a lot of people - and we're talking about the clear majority over here - are in favor of taking up refugees. Some think Merkel should be a little tougher, others think immigration policies should be ever more liberal, but overall most people agree with her general outlook. This is my personal experience living in this country and communicating with people. This is also what 3/4 of voters voted for yesterday. Overall, people are backing Merkel and her immigration policy. The trouble is that she's heading the conservative party - a party that's clearly on the right side of the spectrum - a party that's "tough" on immigration. Her party and some of her voters are not too happy with her right now and that's why Merkel's in trouble. To sum this up, German society supports her, her own party doesn't.
Long story short, that's why your view is a little dramatic, even though I agree with its general tendency. Yes, there's been a backlash, but no, fascism isn't taking over Germany. And it's ridiculous to argue that one should have tough immigration laws to prevent racism.
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