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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: pinkbananastatus on August 21, 2018, 05:02:05 PM
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/08/21/my-experiences-in-skateboarding/
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yo if anyone cares, that lgbt girls skate group that outlawed straight males at their local park have since quit skateboarding and have all become djs.
edit* where the fuck can i get that "pussys get smoked" board. that will look great on my wall.
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The fact that all the images that went with that article were all recent was a real fucking bummer. Man those Thank You board graphics ARE awful. First time I'm seeing them.
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sad ass article and sadder thinking about how many dudes will roll their eyes if they bother reading it in the first place.
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The fact that all the images that went with that article were all recent was a real fucking bummer. Man those Thank You board graphics ARE awful. First time I'm seeing them.
I had a chuckle that the there was an Enjoi banner at the top and side of the page while I was reading it when there was a photo of one of their products in the article.
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
Negativity and shit talk is a very different thing to sexual harassment and assault!!!
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
Oh man, you've got a long way to go. There's a thing called the patriarchy. Learn about it. I can guarantee that our experiences of negativity / harassment as men pale in comparison to what women experience on a daily basis.
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sad ass article and sadder thinking about how many dudes will roll their eyes if they bother reading it in the first place.
nopes gotta pancake ass confirmed.
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Good article. It's sad that it's really like that.
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Sad article, but very much believable. Enjoi has had a lot of jabs at women over the years and I am a little ashamed now that I enjoied them so much.
I used to hold skateboarders in high regard, but I know we are the same cesspool or average horribleness as much as any sausage-fest group activity. The average young age does not help, either.
On a more positive note, skateboarders should be more like this guy: https://www.today.com/kindness/teenage-boy-skate-park-moms-letter-goes-viral-t51816
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Great stuff in here.. Would be a good time for us humans to start treating each others equally.. I don't see what's the point of arguing with her points.. Just don't be a shit head and think what you say before you say it the should not be hard..
Also if this article upsets/triggers/umads' you, you're part of the problem
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
read the instagram comments on basically any viralish video of a girl skating and tell me the shit is equal
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I'm part of the problem and proud of it. Don't understand why anyone should get a pass just because they have a pussy.
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
did you read the article?
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I'm from a time where if you were enough of a weirdo to have found skateboarding and taken your licks you were in, skin colour, gender, haircut, whatever.
Issues come from groups of males left alone with a lack of female influence on their environment, it changes behaviour, not just skateboarders but any group of "lads". The more insular and singular the demographic the more likely to be prejudiced to anything outside that norm.
As progressive as we like to think we are, operating outside social convention and being rule breakers, the similarity in attitude to females is on a par with a amateur local soccer team's drunken stag doo to Magaluf.
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
100% virgin, confirmed.
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To all the girl skaters out there - super glad you are doing the damn thang but best believe every guy skater had to take a massive amount of shit too. I would say 90 percent of talk at the park is shit talk, so don't act like you experienced negativity because you are female. You experienced negativity because you are human.
I'm part of the problem and proud of it. Don't understand why anyone should get a pass just because they have a pussy.
Let me just grab your hand and put it straight down my pants and on my dick. Just shit talking right?
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I'm part of the problem and proud of it. Don't understand why anyone should get a pass just because they have a pussy.
care to elaborate on that?
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Good article.
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The idea that EVERY male skateboarder acts correctly to female skateboarders is regular, it may be a only a handful (at best) people crossing boundaries. But I've never seen or heard of a guy skateboarder sexually harassed by a girl skateboarder. But I have heard a fair share of guys more than overstepping boundaries to girl skateboarders, and some pretty disgusting shit. Not just 'negative' park talk.
It happens, you're not a saint because you own a skateboard. You're a fucking idiot if you think girl skateboarders are immune from shit because they're in 'Club Skateboarder'
Skateboarding as much as you may hate it is the same as other hobbies or passions and other parts of society, to believe there's not sexism/homophobia/racism in skateboarding is beyond deluded.
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Hey guys, regardless of “how it was” when you grew up, times have changed. I’ll also guess you all are embellishing. I started in the early 90s in a populated skate city and it just wasn’t as bad as everyone says.
American culture has changed. You can wax poetic all you want but know that you lost the culture war.
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She's saying that you don't have to censor yourself but understand that your words and actions have different meanings to the people who have to hear them. Intentions only go so far.
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It's almost as if most skaters are piles of shit
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It's almost as if they don't have to be.
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I’ve seen more groups a girl skaters ganged up than guys these days, and it’s tight.
Those same guys talkin shit are gonna be mackin on you quick .
For everyone turning this into what skateboarding was/is, y’all need to stop
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There's a difference from making fun of someone's fit or how they land tricks to creepin and being a perv. It's sort of the same thing as going to the gym, you're skating as is the girl(s) there,and that's the main focus. Plus, if being a shithead to a girl is your method of getting action you might want to re up your game.
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What’s wrong with the Daewon board ?
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I'm part of the problem and proud of it. Don't understand why anyone should get a pass just because they have a pussy.
Sticking with the topic on hand, what kind of pass do female skaters get?
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I imagine this sort of shit happens when you have teenagers and the opposite sex around though
Really I assume it’s kinda across all sports like the olympics village is not full of sex,innuendo and as grabbing.. so really I don’t think the skateboard is the problem
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That was a pretty good read. Obviously she was super conscious of towing the line between calling shit out that she's experienced and trying not to come off over-zealous and finger pointy - which is probably hard to do. I think she did good and it's a worthwhile read for our culture. I'm only (only?) 32 and only ever saw a couple of girls skate growing up. It's amazing how quickly the scene has seemed to grow the past few years. To me, it's one of the most exciting thing about skateboarding right now.
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I imagine this sort of shit happens when you have teenagers and the opposite sex around though
Really I assume it’s kinda across all sports like the olympics village is not full of sex,innuendo and as grabbing.. so really I don’t think the skateboard is the problem
I missed the part where she blamed the skateboard. Not sure 'everybody else does it too' is a good excuse. In fact, I started skating in large part because it was something everybody else was not doing. I like skateboarding being different than mainstream culture, and this is a place where we could stand to be a lot more different
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If your response to this is "well I got hazed when I started skating so I should have the right to haze others" then quit and go pledge a frat. Probably more up your alley.
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Is that the same Claire in the comments?
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I imagine this sort of shit happens when you have teenagers and the opposite sex around though
Really I assume it’s kinda across all sports like the olympics village is not full of sex,innuendo and as grabbing.. so really I don’t think the skateboard is the problem
this is definitely not limited to teenagers.
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I imagine this sort of shit happens when you have teenagers and the opposite sex around though
Really I assume it’s kinda across all sports like the olympics village is not full of sex,innuendo and as grabbing.. so really I don’t think the skateboard is the problem
Count it
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It's almost as if most skaters are piles of shit
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perversion amongst skateboarders is definitely an issue. just click over to the two felons thread and read all the disgusting vile comments that you guys are posting and laughing about regarding the guys lovely beautiful wife. y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. horrible piggish behavior i say. shame on you.
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perversion amongst skateboarders is definitely an issue. just click over to the two felons thread and read all the disgusting vile comments that you guys are posting and laughing about regarding the guys lovely beautiful wife. y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. horrible piggish behavior i say. shame on you.
Can't wait to kook you.
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I like skateboarding being different than mainstream culture
lol
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perversion amongst skateboarders is definitely an issue. just click over to the two felons thread and read all the disgusting vile comments that you guys are posting and laughing about regarding the guys lovely beautiful wife. y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. horrible piggish behavior i say. shame on you.
Can't wait to kook you.
my guy, if thats what you got to look forward to in your sad meaningful pathetic life then i truly feel sorry for you and may god have mercy on your soul. hoeboy
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i don't recall any stories like this from any of the female pros. i'm not calling this girl a liar but i wonder if she's really skating. i feel like skaters are more shyly awkward around a girl ripper than any kind of macho, alpha bullshit. that and we're often too self absorbed in landing whatever we're trying than to try to holler at girls.
can we get a girl to chime in?
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perversion amongst skateboarders is definitely an issue. just click over to the two felons thread and read all the disgusting vile comments that you guys are posting and laughing about regarding the guys lovely beautiful wife. y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. horrible piggish behavior i say. shame on you.
Can't wait to kook you.
my guy, if thats what you got to look forward to in your sad meaningful pathetic life then i truly feel sorry for you and may god have mercy on your soul. hoeboy
How vain. That was a cry for someone to kook me.
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i don't recall any stories like this from any of the female pros. i'm not calling this girl a liar but i wonder if she's really skating. i feel like skaters are more shyly awkward around a girl ripper than any kind of macho, alpha bullshit. that and we're often too self absorbed in landing whatever we're trying than to try to holler at girls.
can we get a girl to chime in?
this is exactly the type of response that has so many females posting here.
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perversion amongst skateboarders is definitely an issue. just click over to the two felons thread and read all the disgusting vile comments that you guys are posting and laughing about regarding the guys lovely beautiful wife. y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. horrible piggish behavior i say. shame on you.
Somewhere in your childhood a person may have told you that you were funny. But they were wrong. This "edgy" stuff was played out in 2009. I suppose that doesn't matter to a career fucking loser like you, but hey, keep defending nazis/WP bros, fucking dogs, and trolling the internet. Quite a life you made for yourself.
Here I'll make your next post for you, lardass: "What? I just thought that it was important to factually blah blah blah". SO FRESH!
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i don't recall any stories like this from any of the female pros. i'm not calling this girl a liar but i wonder if she's really skating. i feel like skaters are more shyly awkward around a girl ripper than any kind of macho, alpha bullshit. that and we're often too self absorbed in landing whatever we're trying than to try to holler at girls.
can we get a girl to chime in?
Imagine being this fucking dense.
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perversion amongst skateboarders is definitely an issue. just click over to the two felons thread and read all the disgusting vile comments that you guys are posting and laughing about regarding the guys lovely beautiful wife. y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. horrible piggish behavior i say. shame on you.
Somewhere in your childhood a person may have told you that you were funny. But they were wrong. This "edgy" stuff was played out in 2009. I suppose that doesn't matter to a career fucking loser like you, but hey, keep defending nazis/WP bros, fucking dogs, and trolling the internet. Quite a life you made for yourself.
Here I'll make your next post for you, lardass: "What? I just thought that it was important to factually blah blah blah". SO FRESH!
this fuckin guy! i like this fuckin guy right here!
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Side note: are the those the first images of thank you skate boards? Did jenkem just randomly leak them for the sake of the argument in this article? Cause that’s cool.
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sad ass article and sadder thinking about how many dudes will roll their eyes if they bother reading it in the first place.
nopes gotta pancake ass confirmed.
Flapjacks just like momma used to make
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Similar things would happen if she were playing football or any other male dominated sport, its just like lord of the flies, if you get a group of boys together in one place they can become animals, this is why the army recruits young men. Also, obviously attempts to be taken advantage of are by no means cool, but some of this comes with the territory, and to a certain degree will always be apart of skateboarding and life. Its obviously awesome more and more girls are into skateboarding and we want them to be as comfortable as possible, there are certian things abut a group of guys hanging out and there being 1 or 2 girls around that will never change, ever seen little giants? Having said that...
Her taking jabs at enjoi because of the tags on their shirt? that shit is funny. Those board graphics, they are what they are, the only reason it isn't marketed that way is because woman and men are different and if someone made boards glorifying female sexuality with dicks they wouldn't be purchased because its a male dominated sport and it wouldn't be a smart marketing move on their behalf to do that. But using the enjoi shirt as an example is no different than someone censoring a comedian because they thought a joke was poor taste.
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i don't recall any stories like this from any of the female pros. i'm not calling this girl a liar but i wonder if she's really skating. i feel like skaters are more shyly awkward around a girl ripper than any kind of macho, alpha bullshit. that and we're often too self absorbed in landing whatever we're trying than to try to holler at girls.
can we get a girl to chime in?
this is exactly the type of response that has so many females posting here.
This is exactly the type of response that someone who recently "focused" would make.
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"For those of you who will dismiss my frustration as oversensitivity: I envy you. I envy the fact that you don’t have to think about what it feels like to have your self-worth chained to your sex, and that you will never know that feeling."
Every single human on the planet has their self-worth chained to their sex, and not just chicks who skate. Are you a suitable mate is a biological question that faces every man and woman. It sounds like you are an attractive chick and men wanna bang you. you are lucky because not every woman has that luxury. There are plenty of incels that are women. Being of the fairer sex your beauty or lack there of is instinctually noticed by men.
what makes us humans and not animals is the ability to control our carnal desires. I agree that men shouldnt grab your sweet ass until invited but there is no way in hell you are gonna stop the inner desire to do so.
Im confused why this behavior is a skateboarding issue when its present in every other cultural scene also. men wanna fuck chicks. some men are creeps about. choose your men carefully ladies.
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I'm from a time where if you were enough of a weirdo to have found skateboarding and taken your licks you were in, skin colour, gender, haircut, whatever.
no such 'time' has ever existed.
either you're willfully ignorant to the fact that bigotry in skating has always been around and used to be worse, or you're pretending as if you were part of some wholesome egalitarian version of skating that has never happened.
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It’s not a ‘skateboarding issue’, as in its only happening to skating, it’s an issue within skateboarding.
Now that skating is finally experiencing an sizable influx of female skaters, we as skaters have two choices.
We can stick to our old ‘boys club’ mentality where we treat girls dismissively and sexually, or we can open up and discriminate against them in the spirit of equality, hazing all beginners like irritating, poseurish children regardless of gender, orientation, or background.
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yes this is a problem outside skateboarding but that doesnt mean there is nothing that can be done about it. the point is skateboarding doesnt have to be like this. its funny how many people on this thread are saying this is what happens when there are only 1 or 2 females in a group of males yet not addressing why maybe there is only 1 or 2 females in the group. this article is talking about what its like to be a female right now in skateboarding and the least guys can do is hear what they are saying and maybe think twice about whether or not their behaviors are preventing different peoples from getting involved rather than dismissing their experiences out right.
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Half of the responses here are so infuriating it's absurd. Especially because the author already addressed all of your points in her article.
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We can stick to our old ‘boys club’ mentality where we treat girls dismissively and sexually, or we can open up and discriminate against them in the spirit of equality, hazing all beginners like irritating, poseurish children regardless of gender, orientation, or background.
never felt the need to haze anyone, fellow skaters least of all. why do you?
could it be cover for your insecurities?
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These threads get interesting because you realize that some of the regular posters on here are full idiots.
Half of you people criticizing her didnt even read the article, just skimmed it and came here to complain about how her hardships make you feel threatened because you have an advantage in this world. As said before assault and sexual harassment are much different than when I got clowned on for wearing lizard king stance socks.
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Half of the responses here are so infuriating it's absurd. Especially because the author already addressed all of your points in her article.
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i don't recall any stories like this from any of the female pros. i'm not calling this girl a liar but i wonder if she's really skating. i feel like skaters are more shyly awkward around a girl ripper than any kind of macho, alpha bullshit. that and we're often too self absorbed in landing whatever we're trying than to try to holler at girls.
can we get a girl to chime in?
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Half of the responses here are so infuriating it's absurd. Especially because the author already addressed all of your points in her article.
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i don't recall any stories like this from any of the female pros. i'm not calling this girl a liar but i wonder if she's really skating. i feel like skaters are more shyly awkward around a girl ripper than any kind of macho, alpha bullshit. that and we're often too self absorbed in landing whatever we're trying than to try to holler at girls.
can we get a girl to chime in?
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Half of the responses here are so infuriating it's absurd. Especially because the author already addressed all of your points in her article.
We all know girls don't SLAP.
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We can stick to our old ‘boys club’ mentality where we treat girls dismissively and sexually, or we can open up and discriminate against them in the spirit of equality, hazing all beginners like irritating, poseurish children regardless of gender, orientation, or background.
never felt the need to haze anyone, fellow skaters least of all. why do you?
could it be cover for your insecurities?
Could be.
More likely it was meant as a joke that went over your head
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People who do or say that kind of stuff to girls are pieces of shit, skateboard or no.
I've never perceived skateboarding as particularly fostering that kind of behaviour myself, always thought about it more along the lines that Reynolds described somewhere recently (said he would let Stella hang with skaters because its the healthiest youth culture he can think of for a girl), but now that I think about it I'm not too surprised that this kind of shit should be going on. I would expect other male skaters to sort a guy out if he does this shit at a local park, bummer to hear that's apparently not always the case.
Good article.
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I'm from a time where if you were enough of a weirdo to have found skateboarding and taken your licks you were in, skin colour, gender, haircut, whatever.
no such 'time' has ever existed.
either you're willfully ignorant to the fact that bigotry in skating has always been around and used to be worse, or you're pretending as if you were part of some wholesome egalitarian version of skating that has never happened.
You obviously have a better memory of my childhood than I do, you are right thought I maybe overstepped the line mentioning haircuts.
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To be fair, there were Asians and women in the original z-boys scene.
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uhhhh... yeah, just like all the parks i go too
on the harassment side the one story where she shared details about an encounter felt more to me about a problem with partying culture than skateboard situations. if you are going to a hotel at night, wasted to meet friend you are going to an obvious heavy partying situation at that point, not a skateboarding one. and i'm not sure how going meet some people at a hotel at night with a guy wasted seems like a safe thing for a girl to do. pretty sure most guys would have a problem with their girlfriend\wife if they told them these were the choices they made that got them into an awkward situation because most guys would tell their girl "what the hell where you thinking?". and how does an uber not make more sense than going to sleep in the hotel room of a guy that just lied to get you into the hotel room and you two are both wasted.
her points about objectification in skating are spot on and relatable for me. i'd be pretty annoyed if i went in a skate shop with my daughter and there were boards with vag's on them hanging on the wall and flyers talking about sluts. i used to hate those hubba ads, that shit was so cheesy and now that i have a daughter it would also be embarrassing in a different way.
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so like you cant fathom a situation where a guy skater is drunk and gets to crash with another skater in the crew? why should a women skater not expect to be able to do the same thing without sexual advances?
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so like you cant fathom a situation where a guy skater is drunk and gets to crash with another skater in the crew? why should a women skater not expect to be able to do the same thing without sexual advances?
because the guy skater doesnt want to fuck the other guy skater, he wants to fuck the woman skater. you know biology. Men will try to get laid. this isnt the work place and sexual advances occur. asking is one thing, touching with out permission is another thing. she can say no and they can move on. if that doesnt work she should find a new crew.
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so like you cant fathom a situation where a guy skater is drunk and gets to crash with another skater in the crew? why should a women skater not expect to be able to do the same thing without sexual advances?
Are you a sharktits account too?
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There’s nothing wrong with cuddling the homie after a heavy sesh
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uhhhh... yeah, just like all the parks i go too
on the harassment side the one story where she shared details about an encounter felt more to me about a problem with partying culture than skateboard situations. if you are going to a hotel at night, wasted to meet friend you are going to an obvious heavy partying situation at that point, not a skateboarding one. and i'm not sure how going meet some people at a hotel at night with a guy wasted seems like a safe thing for a girl to do. pretty sure most guys would have a problem with their girlfriend\wife if they told them these were the choices they made that got them into an awkward situation because most guys would tell their girl "what the hell where you thinking?". and how does an uber not make more sense than going to sleep in the hotel room of a guy that just lied to get you into the hotel room and you two are both wasted.
Yeah, I can't imagine why a purposefully exaggerated image meant to illustrate how a female skater feels in a skatepark wouldn't resonate with a middle aged man...
Your second paragraph is straight up victim blaming. It's a problem with skateboard culture because she was with skaters, who often like to think of themselves as more open-minded and better than other people while her story shows that's not always the case. And she also was explicitly clear about how she didn't want to hook up with this guy and he didn't respect that. That's not her fault - that's his. She should be able to get wasted with her friends at a party, clearly not give consent, and pass out with the expectation that her wishes will be listened to. I'd expect the same if I crashed with my straigh or gay male friends or with my female friends. To say that she was in the wrong or could have done more is straight up victim blaming and is gross.
Also, I wasn't aware that women are supposed to make decisions based on what their (hypothetical) husband/boyfriend would think.
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so like you cant fathom a situation where a guy skater is drunk and gets to crash with another skater in the crew? why should a women skater not expect to be able to do the same thing without sexual advances?
lol
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uhhhh... yeah, just like all the parks i go too
on the harassment side the one story where she shared details about an encounter felt more to me about a problem with partying culture than skateboard situations. if you are going to a hotel at night, wasted to meet friend you are going to an obvious heavy partying situation at that point, not a skateboarding one. and i'm not sure how going meet some people at a hotel at night with a guy wasted seems like a safe thing for a girl to do. pretty sure most guys would have a problem with their girlfriend\wife if they told them these were the choices they made that got them into an awkward situation because most guys would tell their girl "what the hell where you thinking?". and how does an uber not make more sense than going to sleep in the hotel room of a guy that just lied to get you into the hotel room and you two are both wasted.
Yeah, I can't imagine why a purposefully exaggerated image meant to illustrate how a female skater feels in a skatepark wouldn't resonate with a middle aged man...
Your second paragraph is straight up victim blaming. It's a problem with skateboard culture because she was with skaters, who often like to think of themselves as more open-minded and better than other people while her story shows that's not always the case. And she also was explicitly clear about how she didn't want to hook up with this guy and he didn't respect that. That's not her fault - that's his. She should be able to get wasted with her friends at a party, clearly not give consent, and pass out with the expectation that her wishes will be listened to. I'd expect the same if I crashed with my straight or gay male friends or with my female friends. To say that she was in the wrong or could have done more is straight up victim blaming and is gross.
Also, I wasn't aware that women are supposed to make decisions based on what their (hypothetical) husband/boyfriend would think.
you can use whatever pejoratives you like but i'm just talking about how easy it could have been to avoid that situation not saying that the guy wasn't clearly in the wrong and a scumbag rapist in training. if you don't think that staying in a hotel room with a guy who obviously lied to get you their drunk is a bad decision making, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
but my actual point was that this girl didn't end up in this situation because of being in skateboard culture. she did so because she was getting involved in a partying culture and not exactly playing a safe hand there. if she was playing soccer with a bunch of guys and decided to go out drinking in a hotel room with them after same type thing could just as easily end up happening there.
if some guy grabbed her ass at a skatepark or when she goes into a skate shop there are posters with slut written on them then that's an embarrassing part of our culture that we should all take a hard look at.
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We can stick to our old ‘boys club’ mentality where we treat girls dismissively and sexually, or we can open up and discriminate against them in the spirit of equality, hazing all beginners like irritating, poseurish children regardless of gender, orientation, or background.
never felt the need to haze anyone, fellow skaters least of all. why do you?
could it be cover for your insecurities?
Could be.
More likely it was meant as a joke that went over your head
aw, so sorry my guy. i see the hilarity now. nice one homes.
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but my actual point was that this girl didn't end up in this situation because of being in skateboard culture. she did so because she was getting involved in a partying culture and not exactly playing a safe hand there. if she was playing soccer with a bunch of guys and decided to go out drinking in a hotel room with them after same type thing could just as easily end up happening there.
Get what you trying to say but it's not a good look to lecture the girl for getting sexually assaulted.
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but my actual point was that this girl didn't end up in this situation because of being in skateboard culture. she did so because she was getting involved in a partying culture and not exactly playing a safe hand there. if she was playing soccer with a bunch of guys and decided to go out drinking in a hotel room with them after same type thing could just as easily end up happening there.
understood and good rule of thumb but this ins't a conversation with her and i don't see it as a lecturing situation. this is a conversation with others about an article she wrote and had published on a widely read skate media claiming that her sexual assault had something to do with the bro vibe of skate culture when really it seems to have a lot more to do with her sharing an interest in partying with these people than sharing and interest in skating. she is putting that incident out there to be a part of this exact kind of conversation. if she didn't want it discussed then she probably shouldn't have put it out there in such a critical way on this kind of platform.
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I really don't think she's arguing that she had those experiences because of skateboarding, but rather illustrating that these experiences exist within skateboarding - despite how welcoming, counter-culture, or egalitarian as skateboarding pretends to be or is marketed as. And it's a point that needs to be made. People are still more upset that skateboarding will be in the olympics and cry that it's not a sport, but still celebrate, ignore, or undermine the jock shit she describes.
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if you can't be around females without grabbing their tits or ass or throw sexual slurs at them then you are a 100% shitty person- skateboarding or not skateboarding.
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So nothing on those thank you boards?
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I've never perceived skateboarding as particularly fostering that kind of behaviour myself, always thought about it more along the lines that Reynolds described somewhere recently (said he would let Stella hang with skaters because its the healthiest youth culture he can think of for a girl)
You've probably just learned to turn a blind eye to the misogyny in skateboarding. It's normalized (among male skateboarders). I mean, we are posting in a forum that has a thread called "Skateboarders' Weiner Wallets".
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I've never perceived skateboarding as particularly fostering that kind of behaviour myself, always thought about it more along the lines that Reynolds described somewhere recently (said he would let Stella hang with skaters because its the healthiest youth culture he can think of for a girl)
You've probably just learned to turn a blind eye to the misogyny in skateboarding. It's normalized (among male skateboarders). I mean, we are posting in a forum that has a thread called "Skateboarders' Weiner Wallets".
This. You get desensitized to it, but skating still celebrates caveman thinking. If anything, I remember female skaters being thought of as "one of the guys". If you were good enough at skating, we stopped seeing you as a female.. Which is just as bad methinks.
I don't know. Skateboarding on a whole celebrates arrested development and "immaturity". That's what we've always liked about it, but it brings with it lots of offensive behaviour.
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There are also other dynamics at play with female skateboarders. Attractive girl skaters probably have vastly different experiences compared to unattractive ones, as well as perceived straight vs. gay. The very few times I've seen attractive beginner female skateboarders, I couldn't help but think they're slaloming through cocks all day.
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There are also other dynamics at play with female skateboarders. Attractive girl skaters probably have vastly different experiences compared to unattractive ones, as well as perceived straight vs. gay. The very few times I've seen attractive beginner female skateboarders, I couldn't help but think they're slaloming through cocks all day.
mens and womens giant cock slalom 2020
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Dude OR chick never get wasted and go to a hotel and stay over. Never know what crazy shit can happen it's just a precaution.
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Many of the responses in here demonstrate the disconnect that many male skaters have to the realities that women face in skate culture. Going so far as to say what women should or shouldn't do without acknowledging what men should or shouldn't do. From what I've seen, in skating and elsewhere, the level of awareness and compassion toward sexual harassment/assault has grown exponentially in the last ten years and even the most well meaning dudes from an older era aren't grasping the full gravity of what this article is addressing.
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Go away, this is mine, I do this to get away from you.
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Many of the responses in here demonstrate the disconnect that many male skaters have to the realities that women face in skate culture. Going so far as to say what women should or shouldn't do without acknowledging what men should or shouldn't do. From what I've seen, in skating and elsewhere, the level of awareness and compassion toward sexual harassment/assault has grown exponentially in the last ten years and even the most well meaning dudes from an older era aren't grasping the full gravity of what this article is addressing.
So even the most "aware" older dudes still aren't "getting it" eh? What hope do us neanderthals have? We're doomed to a life of raping and harassing women..
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There are also other dynamics at play with female skateboarders. Attractive girl skaters probably have vastly different experiences compared to unattractive ones, as well as perceived straight vs. gay. The very few times I've seen attractive beginner female skateboarders, I couldn't help but think they're slaloming through cocks all day.
That's probably because you're a piece of shit who doesn't think of women as anything but sex objects.
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Similar things would happen if she were playing football or any other male dominated sport, its just like lord of the flies, if you get a group of boys together in one place they can become animals, this is why the army recruits young men. Also, obviously attempts to be taken advantage of are by no means cool, but some of this comes with the territory, and to a certain degree will always be apart of skateboarding and life. Its obviously awesome more and more girls are into skateboarding and we want them to be as comfortable as possible, there are certian things abut a group of guys hanging out and there being 1 or 2 girls around that will never change, ever seen little giants? Having said that...
Her taking jabs at enjoi because of the tags on their shirt? that shit is funny. Those board graphics, they are what they are, the only reason it isn't marketed that way is because woman and men are different and if someone made boards glorifying female sexuality with dicks they wouldn't be purchased because its a male dominated sport and it wouldn't be a smart marketing move on their behalf to do that. But using the enjoi shirt as an example is no different than someone censoring a comedian because they thought a joke was poor taste.
FYI There is no "her" taking jabs at Enjoi. The images in the article were selected and inserted by Jenkem staff. My guess is they are supposed to be evidence for the second hand embarrassment we all should be feeling.
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If a girl skates her ass off everyone will respect her. Fact. I wonder if the writer actually skates.
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If a girl skates her ass off everyone will respect her. Fact. I wonder if the writer actually skates.
You are missing the point. At least you have a lot of company.
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If a girl skates her ass off everyone will respect her. Fact. I wonder if the writer actually skates.
In reverse, is it ok to not be respectful if someone doesn't skate their ass off?
I liked reading the article. "We" as men should rather be fighting for equality than being ashamed.
Over the last few years I have endured some "mild" sexual harassment (e.g. ass-grabbing) from both male and female colleagues and strangers in non-skating contexts and it felt terrible. I can only imagine what women have to endure on a daily basis. So fuck off everyone that justifies this kind of misbehaviour!
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I did notice Thrasher didn't have the make out challenge on KOTR this year...
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The number of people in this thread are entirely missing the point of this article, only proves her point further. Jesus Christ, it shouldn't be that hard to just accept the fact that there's still way more sexism in skateboarding than we'd like to admit.
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and you might be missing the point the posters in here are making which should be equally deserving of being heard. i didn't read anyone saying there wasn't sexism in skateboarding. the points being made were
1) going meet a guy at a hotel room drunk isn't a skating culture problem
2) people wondering if she actually skates or is a girl who likes hanging out at the skate park
why is it every time there is a topic that is debatable on here people start acting like only one perspective matters and start playing pc police looking for violations that allow dismissing the other persons pov because they are morally inferior.
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http://youtu.be/11MJ0P1MXw4?t=11m13s (http://youtu.be/11MJ0P1MXw4?t=11m13s)
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and you might be missing the point the posters in here are making which should be equally deserving of being heard. i didn't read anyone saying there wasn't sexism in skateboarding. the points being made were
1) going meet a guy at a hotel room drunk isn't a skating culture problem
2) people wondering if she actually skates or is a girl who likes hanging out at the skate park
why is it every time there is a topic that is debatable on here people start acting like only one perspective matters and start playing pc police looking for violations that allow dismissing the other persons pov because they are morally inferior.
this is one of the most dire symptoms of the hoeboy virus
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If a girl skates her ass off everyone will respect her. Fact. I wonder if the writer actually skates.
In reverse, is it ok to not be respectful if someone doesn't skate their ass off?
If I don't really know the person it's whatever. But once I get to know someone I will absolutely talk shit. "Woooow another boardslide! Omigosh!" I think it pushes people to progress?
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and you might be missing the point the posters in here are making which should be equally deserving of being heard. i didn't read anyone saying there wasn't sexism in skateboarding. the points being made were
1) going meet a guy at a hotel room drunk isn't a skating culture problem
2) people wondering if she actually skates or is a girl who likes hanging out at the skate park
why is it every time there is a topic that is debatable on here people start acting like only one perspective matters and start playing pc police looking for violations that allow dismissing the other persons pov because they are morally inferior.
this is one of the most dire symptoms of the hoeboy virus
Uh that’s the exact thing I’m talking about. The name calling and pejoratives just shut down what could be enlightening conversations.
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and you might be missing the point the posters in here are making which should be equally deserving of being heard. i didn't read anyone saying there wasn't sexism in skateboarding. the points being made were
1) going meet a guy at a hotel room drunk isn't a skating culture problem
2) people wondering if she actually skates or is a girl who likes hanging out at the skate park
why is it every time there is a topic that is debatable on here people start acting like only one perspective matters and start playing pc police looking for violations that allow dismissing the other persons pov because they are morally inferior.
Most of the posters in here aren't making points that need to be heard actually - they're handwaving away and ignoring her experiences, which is a common occurrence for plenty of women whenever they try to bring light to their toxic experiences with men in a variety of situations and spaces. What exactly do you think needs to be debated about her experiences with sexism and objectification by skaters and by the skateboard industry?
But to address your two points:
1.) As she's writing about this particular experience for a skate site, I feel like it's fair to assume that the guy in question at the party was a skater. But if not, she mentions a story of getting her nipples pinched at a contest - a context that is explicitly about skating. And she mentions lesser situations, where male skaters assume she wants to sleep with them because she's hanging out with them or is assumed to have fucked a bunch of male pros because she is a female skater. All of these are examples of sexism and misogyny and all of them are directly tied to skaters and skating culture.
1a.) Let's say that the guy at the hotel wasn't a skater - does it mean that skaters and skating are blameless and pure? Or are you implying that because non-skating culture and people are messed up, it somehow gives skaters and skating a pass?
2.) This is addressed by the author in the article as to why it's offensive: "...I’ll be asked whose girlfriend I am over and over again both at the park and at events––a question at best prodding my relationship status, at worst assuming my right to be somewhere is only earned through my relationship to a man."
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Great response. Would gnar
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Also, Sleazy, since you and other posters have claimed that this is PC culture run amok yet again, I'll (re)direct you to this comment from the article (and ignore the fact that most complaints about "PC culture" are really people saying "I have to stop being an asshole"):
"This isn’t about PC culture taking over. This isn’t about “the patriarchy.” This is about basic human decency. If you think that politics have no part in skateboarding, that everyone should just shut up and go skate: skateboarding has always been political and will continue to be. Skateboarding is not exempt from the pitfalls of sexism or power corruption. We don’t get to dust off our hands and walk away from the discussion; if anything, we’ve only just started.
I’m not asking for skateboarders to exemplify some impossible pinnacle of human morality. I want to stress my experiences so that you can learn from them and better understand what it feels like to be a woman in this specific world. While the path to equality may seem daunting, there are easy ways to push forward.
You can lead by example: by treating others with kindness and egalitarianism. Think about what you are saying before you speak, and call things out when they don’t sit right with you. This doesn’t mean you have to be fearful of everything you say, it’s rather the opposite. This is an opportunity to use the weight that your words and actions carry for the better. You have power and agency. Use it."
As myself and numerous other posters have said, Linnea has done a really good job of anticipating potential responses to her article and its objective and addressing them in advance. So have the people complaining about her and her piece actually read the article with any degree of care?
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you make great points but are arguing with yourself here a bit or aren't reading and responding to things that me and others are posting.
in the post that you immediately replied to i said
i didn't read anyone saying there wasn't sexism in skateboarding.
so i'm not sure i get why you are banging the drum so hard that folks are arguing that this doesn't happen or that it's not bad that it does happen. and in my original post i also said
(http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Skate-Women-Perspective-1.jpg)
uhhhh... yeah, just like all the parks i go too
on the harassment side the one story where she shared details about an encounter felt more to me about a problem with partying culture than skateboard situations. if you are going to a hotel at night, wasted to meet friend you are going to an obvious heavy partying situation at that point, not a skateboarding one. and i'm not sure how going meet some people at a hotel at night with a guy wasted seems like a safe thing for a girl to do. pretty sure most guys would have a problem with their girlfriend\wife if they told them these were the choices they made that got them into an awkward situation because most guys would tell their girl "what the hell where you thinking?". and how does an uber not make more sense than going to sleep in the hotel room of a guy that just lied to get you into the hotel room and you two are both wasted.
her points about objectification in skating are spot on and relatable for me. i'd be pretty annoyed if i went in a skate shop with my daughter and there were boards with vag's on them hanging on the wall and flyers talking about sluts. i used to hate those hubba ads, that shit was so cheesy and now that i have a daughter it would also be embarrassing in a different way.
however, just because she is making some good points and calling out real problems doesn't mean that everything in her article is relatable to everyone everywhere or that nothing in the article can be questioned. asking if she actually skates and questioning how going out partying has anything to do with skating both seem like valid questions to me. and just because you question one aspect of what someone is saying doesn't mean you completely disagree with them or that you don't agree with most of what they are saying. we don't have to simplify everything into an all or none situation. a few people raised a few questions. no one is saying there isn't sexism in skateboarding, or at least i missed it if someone did.
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asking if she actually skates and questioning how going out partying has anything to do with skating both seem like valid questions to me.
How is that even remotely relevant in context of the issue she is raising? However, she explicitly states that she loves skateboarding. I doubt anyone would even ask this question if the author was a dude. This is part of the problem. Female skateboarders have to face a ridiculous amount of doubt, suspicion, scorn, and worse. They do not have the privilege of experiencing skateboarding as a safe haven.
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asking if she actually skates and questioning how going out partying has anything to do with skating both seem like valid questions to me.
How is that even remotely relevant in context of the issue she is raising? However, she explicitly states that she loves skateboarding. I doubt anyone would even ask this question if the author was a dude. This is part of the problem. Female skateboarders have to face a ridiculous amount of doubt, suspicion, scorn, and worse. They do not have the privilege of experiencing skateboarding as a safe haven.
i've asked people on here if they skate. i heard a bunch of this lady's criticsims in real life recently but ya know what? she didn't skate. she goes 'i don't wanna be treated like a girl but i don't wanna be treated like one of the guys'.
make up your mind.
she wants us to be flirty or some shit but not really? idk.
but she used my board and could barely push, damn sure wasn't in the realm of ripping.
if we treat her w/ respect then it's lowering the bar and anyone's a skater by putting on a thrasher shirt.
that said, i'd never disrespect anyone who's legit going for it. if you're trying, you're a skater.
if homegirl rips then her thesis has validity.
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There are also other dynamics at play with female skateboarders. Attractive girl skaters probably have vastly different experiences compared to unattractive ones, as well as perceived straight vs. gay. The very few times I've seen attractive beginner female skateboarders, I couldn't help but think they're slaloming through cocks all day.
That's probably because you're a piece of shit who doesn't think of women as anything but sex objects.
Your mother's a piece of shit. I am recalling a specific incident in which I observed a female beginner trying to skate at Venice Skatepark while other guys constantly approached her with inane smalltalk. No one said anything ostensibly out of line or made lewd remarks behind her back. I just wonder if a 19 year old male beginner were to show up there, would ten people interrupt him, as he's struggling to stay in a straight line for more than five feet, and ask how long he's been skating? Maybe the girl is not being sexually harassed per se (in fact, they seemed overly helpful), however, her skateboarding experience will be considerably different based on her gender (amongst other factors).
We can also look at our own industry to see how physical attractiveness can lead to million dollar contracts while someone who paid her dues since PJ Ladd's Wonderful, Horrible, Life relies and contest earnings to eke out a living.
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We can also look at our own industry to see how physical attractiveness can lead to million dollar contracts while someone who paid her dues since PJ Ladd's Wonderful, Horrible, Life relies and contest earnings to eke out a living.
for real though, the fact that the best known female skater does shit like this is definitely not helping
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There are also other dynamics at play with female skateboarders. Attractive girl skaters probably have vastly different experiences compared to unattractive ones, as well as perceived straight vs. gay. The very few times I've seen attractive beginner female skateboarders, I couldn't help but think they're slaloming through cocks all day.
That's probably because you're a piece of shit who doesn't think of women as anything but sex objects.
Your mother's a piece of shit. I am recalling a specific incident in which I observed a female beginner trying to skate at Venice Skatepark while other guys constantly approached her with inane smalltalk. No one said anything ostensibly out of line or made lewd remarks behind her back. I just wonder if a 19 year old male beginner were to show up there, would ten people interrupt him, as he's struggling to stay in a straight line for more than five feet, and ask how long he's been skating? Maybe the girl is not being sexually harassed per se (in fact, they seemed overly helpful), however, her skateboarding experience will be considerably different based on her gender (amongst other factors).
We can also look at our own industry to see how physical attractiveness can lead to million dollar contracts while someone who paid her dues since PJ Ladd's Wonderful, Horrible, Life relies and contest earnings to eke out a living.
Ah sorry man. I totally misread your original post and overreacted. I apologize.
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We can also look at our own industry to see how physical attractiveness can lead to million dollar contracts while someone who paid her dues since PJ Ladd's Wonderful, Horrible, Life relies and contest earnings to eke out a living.
for real though, the fact that the best known female skater does shit like this is definitely not helping
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2015/0706/mag_body_Bufoni01_RW_1296x864.jpg&h=640)
Probably doesn't help but I guess she's completely allowed to own her sexuality/public image and its subsequent presentation. That presents another issue in and of itself though because yes, it's good that girls like Leticia are able to use skateboarding to get the money that they deserve but at the same time it can send of the message that it's okay think of a female skater as a sex symbol first and a skateboarder second.
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Putting that Leticia photo in context, it was from ESPN "The Body" issue which has male and female athletes posing nude, for the most part trying to give a depiction of what an athlete's body looks like. It wasn't like a Maxim shoot or something. If anything it's more offensive because it pushes the "skateboarders are athletes" Olympics narrative.
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Putting that Leticia photo in context, it was from ESPN "The Body" issue which has male and female athletes posing nude, for the most part trying to give a depiction of what an athlete's body looks like. It wasn't like a Maxim shoot or something. If anything it's more offensive because it pushes the "skateboarders are athletes" Olympics narrative.
you're completely right. But then again this, which is kinda like a maxim shoot, also exists;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTTDStXa_6Q
article was v good and I'd hate to be a girl in skateboarding,
to be part of a group of homies and still have to endure shit like that...
hope time and more girls in skateboarding will change this cause apparently some skaters fail to see the problem :/
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Putting that Leticia photo in context, it was from ESPN "The Body" issue which has male and female athletes posing nude, for the most part trying to give a depiction of what an athlete's body looks like. It wasn't like a Maxim shoot or something. If anything it's more offensive because it pushes the "skateboarders are athletes" Olympics narrative.
you're completely right. But then again this, which is kinda like a maxim shoot, also exists;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTTDStXa_6Q
article was v good and I'd hate to be a girl in skateboarding,
to be part of a group of homies and still have to endure shit like that...
hope time and more girls in skateboarding will change this cause apparently some skaters fail to see the problem :/
Blame Leticia's agent
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cant blame her shes just a girl
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
take a time out until 50% of women have started shredding bullets.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
jesus, this is the funniest thing ive read on slap in a while
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Aren't people who skateboard actually one of the smallest minorities ever? Like there's only 1,000 of us in the world.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
there needs to be 50% women on garbage trucks. and oil drilling. and sumo wrestling. and prison inmates.
i'm all for more women in skating but to think we need 50% is asinine.
no fucking quotas, no forced skating, let people gravitate to what they want to.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
A) that's your problem not ours. i don't really care who does or does not skate. if 3 million women started skateboarding tomorrow i would still skate with the same 2-6 people. the only thing that would change is my spots would probably get blown out. I am cool with women skating but i don't see it as a "problem" that they are underrepresented in what really boils down to an asinine hobby. its not like we are talking about impact professions.
b) risk tolerance and aversion are pretty well studied fields. whether its biological or cultural or whatever there is a divide. there are outliers and counter arguments but there is a body of work that says men are generally risk tolerant and women are generally risk averse. so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
c) you (and others) are getting so fucking far from the article. maybe im being egocentric but its really more about men than women (i feel safe saying its not about women at all, its about how men treated one woman). more representation is not going to solve the issue, it would probably exacerbate it. its the guys that have to fucking settle down and call each other out for being jackasses at best, fucking creeps at worst.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
A) that's your problem not ours. i don't really care who does or does not skate. if 3 million women started skateboarding tomorrow i would still skate with the same 2-6 people. the only thing that would change is my spots would probably get blown out. I am cool with women skating but i don't see it as a "problem" that they are underrepresented in what really boils down to an asinine hobby. its not like we are talking about impact professions.
b) risk tolerance and aversion are pretty well studied fields. whether its biological or cultural or whatever there is a divide. there are outliers and counter arguments but there is a body of work that says men are generally risk tolerant and women are generally risk averse. so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
c) you (and others) are getting so fucking far from the article. maybe im being egocentric but its really more about men than women (i feel safe saying its not about women at all, its about how men treated one woman). more representation is not going to solve the issue, it would probably exacerbate it. its the guys that have to fucking settle down and call each other out for being jackasses at best, fucking creeps at worst.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
A) that's your problem not ours. i don't really care who does or does not skate. if 3 million women started skateboarding tomorrow i would still skate with the same 2-6 people. the only thing that would change is my spots would probably get blown out. I am cool with women skating but i don't see it as a "problem" that they are underrepresented in what really boils down to an asinine hobby. its not like we are talking about impact professions.
b) risk tolerance and aversion are pretty well studied fields. whether its biological or cultural or whatever there is a divide. there are outliers and counter arguments but there is a body of work that says men are generally risk tolerant and women are generally risk averse. so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
c) you (and others) are getting so fucking far from the article. maybe im being egocentric but its really more about men than women (i feel safe saying its not about women at all, its about how men treated one woman). more representation is not going to solve the issue, it would probably exacerbate it. its the guys that have to fucking settle down and call each other out for being jackasses at best, fucking creeps at worst.
I met a colleague of mine son (13) one day whilst trying to get paid, and he was leaving with a skate, showed him some tricks and he calls me up to help progress his skating. One day he asks to skate at the local park, some of his friends (the same age), had no filter. It was fun correcting the shit out of his friend (also 13-14) everytime he spoke about girls, sex, parents being at the park, etc.
I think the kid I was chilling with was glad someone put him in his place and he did shut up.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
that's what im saying tho, we need a massive cultural shift
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
that's what im saying tho, we need a massive cultural shift
Why though? If anyone doesn't want to skate, we don't need to push them into it.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
that's what im saying tho, we need a massive cultural shift
honestly 90 percent of skateboarders are severely pussy deprived and its been that way from the beginning. the dude who's gets the most pussy is in a sense looked down upon, nyjah. skateboarding culture has suffered the worst case of blue balls of any sport out there. a cultural shift of this nature is completely impossible. perversion is a virus my friend and its not going away.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
that's what im saying tho, we need a massive cultural shift
Why though? If anyone doesn't want to skate, we don't need to push them into it.
Making a cultural shift so that more women feel comfortable skating and within skating isn't the same thing as pushing them to do it.
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It goes beyond skating, and to raising gentlemen and non creeps. Pervs make the regular dude that can contain himself look bad,and we're all assholes in a female's eyes with that. I see skate crews with a token girl that's occasionally the girlfriend of one of the dudes and she is respected. It's a shame that it can't be the same respect by others at the park or spot.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Why is that funny?
Unless there's something biological that pushes women away from skateboarding, there's no acceptable reason for half of the population to be so poorly represented in our culture.
so without a massive cultural shift-- its unlikely you would get balance in a high risk activity.
that's what im saying tho, we need a massive cultural shift
Yes, this will surely be achieved by posting on slap.
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I’m gonna be honest. I don’t really care.
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as long as skateboarding is majority male, we have a problem.
Now that's like being a bit sexualist then, innit.
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I thought about it some more. I mean, I'd probably try to fuck her too. I kind of like that there's not a ton of women in skateboarding, keeps me focused. My office is like 50/50 men and women, and I've thought about fucking every one of those beasts.
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asking if she actually skates and questioning how going out partying has anything to do with skating both seem like valid questions to me.
How is that even remotely relevant in context of the issue she is raising? However, she explicitly states that she loves skateboarding. I doubt anyone would even ask this question if the author was a dude. This is part of the problem. Female skateboarders have to face a ridiculous amount of doubt, suspicion, scorn, and worse. They do not have the privilege of experiencing skateboarding as a safe haven.
make up your mind.
she wants us to be flirty or some shit but not really? idk.
but she used my board and could barely push, damn sure wasn't in the realm of ripping.
if we treat her w/ respect then it's lowering the bar and anyone's a skater by putting on a thrasher shirt.
that said, i'd never disrespect anyone who's legit going for it. if you're trying, you're a skater.
if homegirl rips then her thesis has validity.
i think she meant "i don't wanna be treated like a girl" = don't hit on me or try to pick me up and "but i don't wanna be treated like one of the guys" = tone down the grossness and general misogyny, as some of us can tend to get when were around all dudes for too long, which happens a lot in skating.
i could be totally wrong, but i don't think "flirty or some shit but not really?" was what she was trying to convey with that one of the guys, but not totally statement.
Don't you lower the bar for your homies and other non-pros/ams/flowmen in general? as long as they do something thats sick for them, don't you get stoked on it? Also, if someone's that much of a novice to skating that theyre learning to push then its hard to tell how committed they'll end up being to skating and how "ripping" they'll become. I agree that you shouldn't be given special treatment to learn how to push in the middle of a crowded park or spot, but i don't think theres anything wrong with helping out or encouraging a grom, girl or guy.
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asking if she actually skates and questioning how going out partying has anything to do with skating both seem like valid questions to me.
How is that even remotely relevant in context of the issue she is raising? However, she explicitly states that she loves skateboarding. I doubt anyone would even ask this question if the author was a dude. This is part of the problem. Female skateboarders have to face a ridiculous amount of doubt, suspicion, scorn, and worse. They do not have the privilege of experiencing skateboarding as a safe haven.
make up your mind.
she wants us to be flirty or some shit but not really? idk.
but she used my board and could barely push, damn sure wasn't in the realm of ripping.
if we treat her w/ respect then it's lowering the bar and anyone's a skater by putting on a thrasher shirt.
that said, i'd never disrespect anyone who's legit going for it. if you're trying, you're a skater.
if homegirl rips then her thesis has validity.
i think she meant "i don't wanna be treated like a girl" = don't hit on me or try to pick me up and "but i don't wanna be treated like one of the guys" = tone down the grossness and general misogyny, as some of us can tend to get when were around all dudes for too long, which happens a lot in skating.
i could be totally wrong, but i don't think "flirty or some shit but not really?" was what she was trying to convey with that one of the guys, but not totally statement.
Don't you lower the bar for your homies and other non-pros/ams/flowmen in general? as long as they do something thats sick for them, don't you get stoked on it? Also, if someone's that much of a novice to skating that theyre learning to push then its hard to tell how committed they'll end up being to skating and how "ripping" they'll become. I agree that you shouldn't be given special treatment to learn how to push in the middle of a crowded park or spot, but i don't think theres anything wrong with helping out or encouraging a grom, girl or guy.
i meant lowering the bar as in 'you're a skater because you bought a thrasher shirt' or something equally facile.
maybe you're right but she wasn't articulating herself, it was obnoxious. to me, it was jewish american princess throwing her weight around because she's used to people kowtowing to her. skating ain't like that, you gotta participate.
she sort of pushed around a bit on my board at the DIY. didn't try ollies, didn't try shove its. didn't push for very long. to me that's not enough to come to the table and speak.
if she could ollie moving or boardslide a curb, at the very least she'd put in the work and gotten the scabs and i'd respect her as a skater and by extension, her opinion.
idk the girl in the article so maybe i'm projecting but it was synchonicity how they both came out the same time.
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she definitely isnt trying to speak to shit head lost causes like you dude.
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That Enjoi tag is a joke, making fun of sexism. Similar to how they say faraway children make their clothing.
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It's almost as if most skaters are piles of shit