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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: flintstagram on February 25, 2022, 08:05:45 AM
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I’ve always wondered, in an industry where companies borrow lots of ideas from other companies, if a board brand discontinues a shape, is another board company allowed to pick it up and/or get the mold?
For example, if Baker/Deathwish abandons a shape, can another company that also uses BBS to manufacture their boards scoop up that particular mold? Is there a process involved in negotiating that? Is it fair game, or considered a dick move?
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The shape that Provost uses for his boards on Creature is just a rip off of the Baker 8.475 shape, except with just a few millimeters shaved off or added here n there. The shape of the nose and tail, wheelbase, and the concave pretty much matches the Baker 8.475 shape to a T.
Also, I know Theotis’ shape for Baker is just a rip off of a Krooked shape, he’s stated this in interviews before.
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Isn't there a guy Mariano shape that every company made a version of for years
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Isn't there a guy Mariano shape that every company made a version of for years
Yeah, his 7.5" Girl shape, originally PS-pressed. Louie Barletta uses it for his personal Enjoi boards.
The Anti-Hero huffer shape is another one. Girl has their woodshop press them as the Phawt shape, but I've seen at least one other small brand do BBS-pressed huffers.
The big-nosed square shape that FA/Hockey, Quasi, etc. use is an AWS shape. I think the first time I ever saw one was maybe 2008/9-ish and it was an early Dylan pro board.
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I wish there was a version of those old girl shapes, readily available (guy, sheffey being my favorites).
Also with some slightly scaled up versions were in play.
I wouldn’t rush to ride a creature board, but bakers b16 is harder to find, and to me that was their best shape. I am vaguely aware that times and tastes change.
Anyone have an opinion on the phawt vs huffer? Had the huffer several times, and it’s sick. Haven’t tried it with ace 55 classics, which are now the only appropriate sized trucks I have.
Interesting topic thanks for starting and contributing
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I wish there was a version of those old girl shapes, readily available (guy, sheffey being my favorites).
Also with some slightly scaled up versions were in play.
I wouldn’t rush to ride a creature board, but bakers b16 is harder to find, and to me that was their best shape. I am vaguely aware that times and tastes change.
Anyone have an opinion on the phawt vs huffer? Had the huffer several times, and it’s sick. Haven’t tried it with ace 55 classics, which are now the only appropriate sized trucks I have.
Interesting topic thanks for starting and contributing
I think that maybe Kelly Hart based his visit shape off of the old girl boards, but I could be remembering that wrong.
I really want to see someone make Jamie Fly’s old shape again (not the twin tail). I’ve got a pile of them currently, but one of these days I’m going to run out, and it’s going to be sad. In the meantime I’m still looking for a suitable replacement while running through what’s I’ve got. I just picked up a Creature stump to try out. I think it’s the closest I’ve found so far.
Maybe I need to start campaigning to every company that uses bbs to get someone to start using the Foy85 shape.
Glad I brought it up, because I’ve been sitting on this topic for awhile. Thanks everybody. Let’s keep it going!
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What’s the foy85? He had a wide short one that I wanted to try and never saw.
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What’s the foy85? He had a wide short one that I wanted to try and never saw.
It’s 8.5x31.75, 14.25 wb, it’s my favorite. I’ve purchased a lot of them, 33 to be exact.
If you can find the Deathwish paisley script deck, it’s that size. Where are you located? There are a few shops that still shows them online, some in the U.S., some outside.
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33!
So so so sick.
I am so envious of this level of consistency. I am heading out the door to go skate, I’m taking at least 2 setups. One is a 7.75 with small wheels and small low trucks, the other is over 9, big trucks, big wheels. I was just lusting over some shaped boards that are so whimsical, I can only imagine they make skating more difficult. And skating is already so difficult for me.
Hearing someone ride the same stuff, seems so rad. I could, in theory, do the same. But I’m apparently opposed on cellular level to just chilling out and doing it.
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Right on. I think it’s rad that you can jump to different setups and not be bothered by it. I’m worried I’m a bit too stuck in my ways, and it’s going to come back to bite me eventually.
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I think Axel Crusher used to ride a Heroin egg board and just covered them in Toy stickers before Toy literally just recreated the shape for him.
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I think Axel Crusher used to ride a Heroin egg board and just covered them in Toy stickers before Toy literally just recreated the shape for him.
Yeah, I have a Axel on ice and I'm 90% sure its the same shape. It is even on BBS wood which is an anomaly for Toy Machine.
Primitive also uses the shape for Franky's board.
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Chico has a barnyard up for sale now
When Shane O’Neil started April, he took the primitive 8.25 shape with him. At least something very similar. Now the primitive 8.25 has changed (6.5 tail) and the April still has the long one
I feel like the business and co shapes were probably really good
10 years ago someone on here said one of the welcome boards was the same shape as the Jason Lee American icons. The welcome was ps stix though, so even though technically the shape could be the same, but the mold would make it feel different.
Jason adams punk point has been on a few shapes I think.
Didn’t nyjah take his shape from element for disorder?
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Right on. I think it’s rad that you can jump to different setups and not be bothered by it. I’m worried I’m a bit too stuck in my ways, and it’s going to come back to bite me eventually.
There are the two opposites with this, but on the one hand I like to have something weird and new to test out on a semi regular basis, but I will always go back to my current tried and tested shape and buy as many of them as I can (within reason) as long as that shape is still currently being made - BBS 8.38 or 8.5 with 14.5 wb boards.
If it stopped, I do know I have a couple of slightly different shapes as backups so I would not be left without my usual comfortable ride. That said, I don't know exactly how many boards I currently have of the current specific shape I like, but there are a few boxes.
When I rode the black eagle in 8.12 I still had over ten of them new in shrink when I finally thought I should move up to 8.38 or 8.5 permanently, but there are people I know who like them, so I am slowly passing them on as needed.
As to shapes and specific measurements, everything in skateboarding seems to be a lot more fluid, in that anyone and everyone can pretty much copy anything that someone else has and do it themselves, with minimal or no accountability.
As already stated, quite a few riders of one brand / team take a liking to another brand's board shape, so their own brand more often than not will get one of those boards, copy it to be produced by their own woodshop or even use the same woodshop it comes from and do their own board on said shape.
I would think that it would depend on who had the presses and the shape details, but even that has changed from having a solid wood shape to use as a guide, to now having everything completely digital / computer controlled.
Even some shaped boards for certain brands can be left undrilled or the wheelbase changed for another brand, but I think for the specific brands like Welcome or Polar, their shapes are very much their own so PS Stix and now BBS would not have free license to use those shapes for another brand unless there was some agreement between them.
Another woodshop straight up copying a shape from someone else would leave little to no recourse, unless something had been trademarked, or copywrite or patent filed, but I have never heard of this happening. That is not to say that someone has not or would not try to claim something, but I just don't think it is worth the trouble.
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Didn’t nyjah take his shape from element for disorder?
I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure he raped a drunk girl.
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I think Axel Crusher used to ride a Heroin egg board and just covered them in Toy stickers before Toy literally just recreated the shape for him.
Yeah, I have a Axel on ice and I'm 90% sure its the same shape. It is even on BBS wood which is an anomaly for Toy Machine.
Primitive also uses the shape for Franky's board.
Yeah I’m almost positive that Axel is on heroin shaped toy board.
Just like the huffer and the Phawt.
I also have a theory that Black Label used the huffer as a template to create the Reuter egg. It is the same shape just shaved of 0.18 of width and reduced a little over a quarter inch of wheelbase.
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Fascinating thread. Always wondered if there was exclusive rights/trademarking/IP to certain shapes etc. and/or if it’s the wood shop that owns the shape. It’s especially wild to leave one company and just start your own with the exact same shape—definitely can’t do that in most other industries lol
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Fascinating thread. Always wondered if there was exclusive rights/trademarking/IP to certain shapes etc. and/or if it’s the wood shop that owns the shape. It’s especially wild to leave one company and just start your own with the exact same shape—definitely can’t do that in most other industries lol
I remember an interview with one of the guys that started Welcome, and he talked about how he had to pay PS Stix to create new/proprietary shapes and that they were exclusive to Welcome. Obviously the Welcome shapes are much more unique than some of the more subtle popsicle differences we're talking about here. but it was def a thing he talked about ("owning" the shapes)
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
Oh shit! I don’t know! I’m going to have to look into that for sure! I know deluxe has a shape that’s similar, but didn’t think they had the same shape.
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How about across brands under one distro?
I could’ve sworn an almost 8.5 is not the same as an enjoi but reading specs on pretty accurate sites makes me think otherwise now
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
Oh shit! I don’t know! I’m going to have to look into that for sure! I know deluxe has a shape that’s similar, but didn’t think they had the same shape.
Those dimensions are just about the same as the 8.5 shorty they do in all their brands, pretty common shape. Might help you a bit in the future to check it out.
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How about across brands under one distro?
I could’ve sworn an almost 8.5 is not the same as an enjoi but reading specs on pretty accurate sites makes me think otherwise now
I recall some places have thousands of shapes, which seems ridiculous, but I guess when they are all CAD based now, people can do what they like on a whim and change this a bit or that a lot, the end result being another dozen shapes right there and then to add to the list.
It seems there are fairly generic shapes for many products, but there are also some more specific shapes for specific brands under the one distro as well, even if it does seem like they might be almost the same as another existing shape too.
Do we also include different presses, so different concave in the equation too, eg with Dwindle I see more mellow concave options on Enjoi pro boards, be it mellow concave steep kicks than on the cheaper Darkstar boards, which are mostly full concave steep kicks. I can't remember what the most recent Almost was, but I think it was mellow concave too.
I know with some other boards, not just BBS, but with them certain shapes are only done on mellow molds, certain other shapes are only done on steeper molds too, some even just for the specific board or team rider's pro model as well.
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Always heard someone literally stole the double vision mold from vision to create the Barnyard deck
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Love this shape. Feels like it was made to use with Venture HIs
When Shane O’Neil started April, he took the primitive 8.25 shape with him. At least something very similar. Now the primitive 8.25 has changed (6.5 tail) and the April still has the long one
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
Oh shit! I don’t know! I’m going to have to look into that for sure! I know deluxe has a shape that’s similar, but didn’t think they had the same shape.
Those dimensions are just about the same as the 8.5 shorty they do in all their brands, pretty common shape. Might help you a bit in the future to check it out.
You’re right, they are super close. I’ve skated a Real that was this shape a few years ago, but the concave was a little steeper on the real than the Deathwish, and the nose and tail are the slightest bit different. I acknowledge how insanely nitpicky this is. I’m a mess.
Is there any difference in concave or shape of noses and tails between real/krooked/antihero?
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
Oh shit! I don’t know! I’m going to have to look into that for sure! I know deluxe has a shape that’s similar, but didn’t think they had the same shape.
Those dimensions are just about the same as the 8.5 shorty they do in all their brands, pretty common shape. Might help you a bit in the future to check it out.
You’re right, they are super close. I’ve skated a Real that was this shape a few years ago, but the concave was a little steeper on the real than the Deathwish, and the nose and tail are the slightest bit different. I acknowledge how insanely nitpicky this is. I’m a mess.
Is there any difference in concave or shape of noses and tails between real/krooked/antihero?
Same boards regardless, but you might find there are significant differences between I to IV in the concave.
If you hadn't had the talk about the different number in the press, I is the top so steeper concave and IV is the bottom which is more mellow concave.
If you prefer more mellow, you want to look for boards that have IV on the top between the front bolts, but there have still been some funny ones depending on which press, eg some are super mellow and others are more normal, regardless of the number on top.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
Oh shit! I don’t know! I’m going to have to look into that for sure! I know deluxe has a shape that’s similar, but didn’t think they had the same shape.
Those dimensions are just about the same as the 8.5 shorty they do in all their brands, pretty common shape.
Might help you a bit in the future to check it out.
I definitely agree with this.
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Passport spade shape is pretty much a polar surf jr. With minor tweaks.
Didn’t dill steal all his ideas/ shapes from old Adrenalin boards?
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I wish there was a version of those old girl shapes, readily available (guy, sheffey being my favorites).
Also with some slightly scaled up versions were in play.
There’s a boutique wood shop on insta, the guy who runs it is meticulous about shapes, and specializes in custom shapes, especially older ones (he has a ton of stencils) and can size them up digitally to get the exact specs you want.
https://instagram.com/pretty_rad?utm_medium=copy_link
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I wish there was a version of those old girl shapes, readily available (guy, sheffey being my favorites).
Also with some slightly scaled up versions were in play.
There’s a boutique wood shop on insta, the guy who runs it is meticulous about shapes, and specializes in custom shapes, especially older ones (he has a ton of stencils) and can size them up digitally to get the exact specs you want.
https://instagram.com/pretty_rad?utm_medium=copy_link
After skating a Jason Lee reissue a few years back and feeling the board to be too flat and the nose feeling short. I may finally get the chance to skate that dream board. I just got the chills.
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The World double kick board was a Vision shape. Me and my friend each had one and they were boss. Had the World one also. I think that was 1989
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The World double kick board was a Vision shape. Me and my friend each had one and they were boss. Had the World one also. I think that was 1989
I remember seeing the vision double kick, in the wild, before I saw the barnyard shape, and always thought the vision came out first. The vision board that I remember looked like two tails tho, more extreme than the barnyard shape. I remember scoffing, somewhat, from a distance.
The barnyard looked super dope. The graphic, the whole shit. Much like then, I’d lust after a board, then go to the shop to get said item, and last second audible and buy something completely different.
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I wish there was a version of those old girl shapes, readily available (guy, sheffey being my favorites).
Also with some slightly scaled up versions were in play.
There’s a boutique wood shop on insta, the guy who runs it is meticulous about shapes, and specializes in custom shapes, especially older ones (he has a ton of stencils) and can size them up digitally to get the exact specs you want.
https://instagram.com/pretty_rad?utm_medium=copy_link
This is so fucking sick! Definitely going to hit him up and ask some questions. Thanks, dude!
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
That super shovel nose…was that a Dylan board? I vaguely remember the shapes being more square than the girl/choco stuff, and AWS boards were for sure steeper. Strangely, I cannot remember much about shapes, unless they were really out there (I’ve blathered on and on about the sheffey toy soldier shape/tail, for instance). I’d guess right before minefield on the big big noses. Stuff kinda changed, in my mind, around 2010. I have the old tws buyers guide from that year and the setups are wild: lots of 7.6” trucks in 8”+ boards. Like the opposite of 1994 when people were skating 8” trucks on 7.5” boards. Anyways. I’d guess those shapes came into play around then.
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Isn't there a guy Mariano shape that every company made a version of for years
Yeah, his 7.5" Girl shape, originally PS-pressed. Louie Barletta uses it for his personal Enjoi boards.
Are these the pro models available for sale (8.25 x 32 x 14.25 / 8.5 x 32.1 x 14.25) for a custom shape only he rides?
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Isn't there a guy Mariano shape that every company made a version of for years
Yeah, his 7.5" Girl shape, originally PS-pressed. Louie Barletta uses it for his personal Enjoi boards.
Are these the pro models available for sale (8.25 x 32 x 14.25 / 8.5 x 32.1 x 14.25) for a custom shape only he rides?
They look like the standard sizes out right now.
Louie was still on a really tiny board last time he was out here (which was a while back now) but I know we were amazed to see it - definitely under 8, maybe bigger than 7.5 but I think he said he had to set up a wider board as they didn't have his in stock before he left or something.
Sorry that probably didn't help at all though.
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
I don't recall seeing any PS Stix squared off boards, or at least not in the square shapes they have now, but maybe three to five years ago when they were on BBS there were both the square and the regular shapes available, of which I got in quite a few and was curious that there were some advertised as the same, but they were clearly different.
One was the normal 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.38 wb and the other a square kick 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.2 wb - set them both up and really liked the normal one but couldn't skate the square one, short wheelbase and super long kicks, so passed that one on to someone else.
Now three years later and the square one is the only one that is coming out, going by recent stock drops.
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@rocklobster its a 7.5" shape, no idea if it's regular production.
@ok @LebowskisRug the first time I ever had a square AWS was like 2008, it was a Dylan board. Not as pronounced as they are today but it looked insane to me at the time.
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@rocklobster its a 7.5" shape, no idea if it's regular production.
@ok @LebowskisRug the first time I ever had a square AWS was like 2008, it was a Dylan board. Not as pronounced as they are today but it looked insane to me at the time.
Pretty sure the Louie shape is not production.
Re AWS: 2008 sounds right on. The boards on FA, more so in the beginning, seemed to me to have a lot of the properties of smaller boards (short length, short wb), on slightly larger shapes. Which makes sense, as Dill and AVE are not big, and skated boards that were maybe 7.75 for a long ass time.
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In probably my first sign of madness I learned switch heels on the Kalis Love deck. Some older dude asked to skate it at the park and broke it. I begged my Mom to drive me to 3 different shops in the area to find one. We found one and I used all my money to buy 2 others. Don’t think I’ve had them as good since.
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
I don't recall seeing any PS Stix squared off boards, or at least not in the square shapes they have now, but maybe three to five years ago when they were on BBS there were both the square and the regular shapes available, of which I got in quite a few and was curious that there were some advertised as the same, but they were clearly different.
One was the normal 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.38 wb and the other a square kick 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.2 wb - set them both up and really liked the normal one but couldn't skate the square one, short wheelbase and super long kicks, so passed that one on to someone else.
Now three years later and the square one is the only one that is coming out, going by recent stock drops.
Do really long nose/tails help with larger wheels?
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
I don't recall seeing any PS Stix squared off boards, or at least not in the square shapes they have now, but maybe three to five years ago when they were on BBS there were both the square and the regular shapes available, of which I got in quite a few and was curious that there were some advertised as the same, but they were clearly different.
One was the normal 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.38 wb and the other a square kick 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.2 wb - set them both up and really liked the normal one but couldn't skate the square one, short wheelbase and super long kicks, so passed that one on to someone else.
Now three years later and the square one is the only one that is coming out, going by recent stock drops.
Do really long nose/tails help with larger wheels?
that sounds intersting- mind i am in europe......i skated a habitat and a rasa libre board waaaay back in like 2006. the habitat kerry getz was kinda pointy and i remember the rasa board feeling hella weird. Back then i was not looking at shapes/ sizes but the nose was def steeper on that one.
back in 2014 i skated the first habitat board (PS/ Mexico made) since then. after that i got my local to order more boards in my size and to be PS/ BBS/ Mexico made as i was in that previleged position- Usually you get lots of china made boards for the european market!
Anyway- al the boards from 2014 on were either PS or BBS (later on like 2016/ 2017) but still mostly square as fuck nose, sort WB.....after that been riding FA/ Hockey but i felt like nose and tail kicks were too steep for my liking compared to the alien/ Habitat boards i skated a few years before. their shapes changed too though over time
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
That super shovel nose…was that a Dylan board? I vaguely remember the shapes being more square than the girl/choco stuff, and AWS boards were for sure steeper. Strangely, I cannot remember much about shapes, unless they were really out there (I’ve blathered on and on about the sheffey toy soldier shape/tail, for instance). I’d guess right before minefield on the big big noses. Stuff kinda changed, in my mind, around 2010. I have the old tws buyers guide from that year and the setups are wild: lots of 7.6” trucks in 8”+ boards. Like the opposite of 1994 when people were skating 8” trucks on 7.5” boards. Anyways. I’d guess those shapes came into play around then.
I think the FA shape is based of Gilbert’s Workshop shape.. I remember reading somewhere Dill asking if he could use that shape.
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Isn't there a guy Mariano shape that every company made a version of for years
Yeah, his 7.5" Girl shape, originally PS-pressed. Louie Barletta uses it for his personal Enjoi boards.
Are these the pro models available for sale (8.25 x 32 x 14.25 / 8.5 x 32.1 x 14.25) for a custom shape only he rides?
They look like the standard sizes out right now.
Louie was still on a really tiny board last time he was out here (which was a while back now) but I know we were amazed to see it - definitely under 8, maybe bigger than 7.5 but I think he said he had to set up a wider board as they didn't have his in stock before he left or something.
Sorry that probably didn't help at all though.
I think on one of his nine club interviews, Louie said he’s still on a 7.5 deck, slightly under 31” in length (no clue about WB). His instagram shows wobbly loose Krux K5 and 50mm pig wheels.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
I thought the Foy shape was shorter, 31.5”. Am I tripping?
I do want a short 8.5.
The best board I’ve had recently, was a ps glue 8.5, 14.25, maybe 32” ish. So so good.
Anyways I like short boards.
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Then you’ll love the DLX 8.5 with the 14.25. It’s 31.8 and they have a half dozen graphics every drop and it’s always a price point size.
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Austyn said hes been riding the same shape for years and a few different companies.
Does it count if you steal the shape from yourself?
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Then you’ll love the DLX 8.5 with the 14.25. It’s 31.8 and they have a half dozen graphics every drop and it’s always a price point size.
Noticed some price point 8.5s are more of a mix between the 8.25 and 8.38 shape. 8.5x32.18x14.38. Something to keep in mind. They have a grimple price point with those dims on their site.
https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/
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I remember Louie saying in some interview that he skated a 7.3. Might remember wrong but I do remember being surprised that it was smaller than what is available anywhere really.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
I thought the Foy shape was shorter, 31.5”. Am I tripping?
I do want a short 8.5.
The best board I’ve had recently, was a ps glue 8.5, 14.25, maybe 32” ish. So so good.
Anyways I like short boards.
They have always claimed it’s 31.75, but if you measure across the top tip to tip with a tight line (not touching the board except tip of nose and tip of tail), it’s 31.5. Deathwish has always called it 31.75 though.
I realize I’m not a good enough skateboarder to be that picky, but god damn it feels so perfect to me. It’s all I want to skate. Makes me sad to know I’m going to have to most likely move on at some point.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
I thought the Foy shape was shorter, 31.5”. Am I tripping?
I do want a short 8.5.
The best board I’ve had recently, was a ps glue 8.5, 14.25, maybe 32” ish. So so good.
Anyways I like short boards.
They have always claimed it’s 31.75, but if you measure across the top tip to tip with a tight line (not touching the board except tip of nose and tip of tail), it’s 31.5. Deathwish has always called it 31.75 though.
I realize I’m not a good enough skateboarder to be that picky, but god damn it feels so perfect to me. It’s all I want to skate. Makes me sad to know I’m going to have to most likely move on at some point.
The DLX 8.5x31.8 measures 31.625 if measured the same way. Both measure correctly (per specs) if you use a slack line across the top.
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I forget where he said it but Louie mentioned once that his shape is in production, just as a one of the "first push" kids completes.
EDIT: it was bothering me so I found it
https://youtu.be/AAHErMoTJ6Q?t=2242
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
Blue eagle is 8.5" x 31.8" with a 14.25" wb. You could probably go between that and the B16 without noticing, since the difference in length and width between them is so small (8.475"x31.875"? Fuck off) that it just seems almost like a way to distinguish the B16 from other shapes with the same dimensions.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
Blue eagle is 8.5" x 31.8" with a 14.25" wb. You could probably go between that and the B16 without noticing, since the difference in length and width between them is so small (8.475"x31.875"? Fuck off) that it just seems almost like a way to distinguish the B16 from other shapes with the same dimensions.
Dimension wise those are very similar.
Shape wise, noticeable difference, to me. (Caveat it’s been a long ass time since I had either). I liked the b16 a lot more: pointy, flat, shorter tail, bigger nose (not steep, just longer than the tail by a bit). B16 has some taper so smaller trucks can go on that, makes sense as those dudes were running that for a minute. This is all from my cooked memory tho so.
But yeah, both shapes are dope.
Now I want to try one of those 14” wb eagles.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
Blue eagle is 8.5" x 31.8" with a 14.25" wb. You could probably go between that and the B16 without noticing, since the difference in length and width between them is so small (8.475"x31.875"? Fuck off) that it just seems almost like a way to distinguish the B16 from other shapes with the same dimensions.
Dimension wise those are very similar.
Shape wise, noticeable difference, to me. (Caveat it’s been a long ass time since I had either). I liked the b16 a lot more: pointy, flat, shorter tail, bigger nose (not steep, just longer than the tail by a bit). B16 has some taper so smaller trucks can go on that, makes sense as those dudes were running that for a minute. This is all from my cooked memory tho so.
But yeah, both shapes are dope.
Now I want to try one of those 14” wb eagles.
I got one of the 14" eagles and am both stoked and apprehensive about trying it. Stoked because it could hypothetically take a good thing (the refined, classic blue eagle shape) and make something about it better (easier flip tricks, better turning with Ventures), but it could also fuck me up a bit now that I've gotten so accustomed to my current main squeeze. I might set it up this weekend and just get it over with.
I've been on blue eagles for a minute and they definitely have some taper, especially noticeable towards the tail, but you're right, the B16 is noticeably more tapered in the kicks. Even considering that, I've been looking for III's and IV's, and to me those and the Baker OG mellow concave feel super similar; IV's even feel slightly flatter than the mellow Baker boards. If I can't find a blue eagle next time I'm looking I'd definitely swap one out for a B16 over something else with similar dimensions, because even if I don't prefer them aesthetically, I skate better on a board with tapered kicks. (Goddamn you, 90s shapes I learned on.) But it just comes down to personal preference at that point.
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Isn’t the Foy shape just the Anti Hero blue eagle?
They’re similar but the Foy 8.5 has a 14.25 WB whereas the Anti Hero has a 14.38 if I’m not mistaken.
Blue eagle is 8.5" x 31.8" with a 14.25" wb. You could probably go between that and the B16 without noticing, since the difference in length and width between them is so small (8.475"x31.875"? Fuck off) that it just seems almost like a way to distinguish the B16 from other shapes with the same dimensions.
Dimension wise those are very similar.
Shape wise, noticeable difference, to me. (Caveat it’s been a long ass time since I had either). I liked the b16 a lot more: pointy, flat, shorter tail, bigger nose (not steep, just longer than the tail by a bit). B16 has some taper so smaller trucks can go on that, makes sense as those dudes were running that for a minute. This is all from my cooked memory tho so.
But yeah, both shapes are dope.
Now I want to try one of those 14” wb eagles.
I got one of the 14" eagles and am both stoked and apprehensive about trying it. Stoked because it could hypothetically take a good thing (the refined, classic blue eagle shape) and make something about it better (easier flip tricks, better turning with Ventures), but it could also fuck me up a bit now that I've gotten so accustomed to my current main squeeze. I might set it up this weekend and just get it over with.
I've been on blue eagles for a minute and they definitely have some taper, especially noticeable towards the tail, but you're right, the B16 is noticeably more tapered in the kicks. Even considering that, I've been looking for III's and IV's, and to me those and the Baker OG mellow concave feel super similar; IV's even feel slightly flatter than the mellow Baker boards. If I can't find a blue eagle next time I'm looking I'd definitely swap one out for a B16 over something else with similar dimensions, because even if I don't prefer them aesthetically, I skate better on a board with tapered kicks. (Goddamn you, 90s shapes I learned on.) But it just comes down to personal preference at that point.
I completely agree.
Well, I actually like the look of tapered, when on on it looking down. Just looks like the era I was most comfortable.
Been kinda bummed, b16s have been less frequently at the shops, baker seems to put out less on that shape these days. Which is wild cuz it’s real versatile. Must not sell tho. The FA shape effect.
Good to know the blue eagle is an acceptable stand in. Obviously the pandemic gear shit sucked, but my bbs boards from the last few years have been bogus. I want to stress that I am an idiot, that is not good at skating, and is willing to put into print that I totally believe that Krookeds have the best wood, followed by anti hero, last place real. I fucking have not had a real I liked in 20 plus years. It’s all the same wood isn’t it? I swear tho. Anyways, my last few AHs were wonky, felt undercooked. Light, but soggy. The main advantage of bbs stuff to me was that companies I liked/and that the locals stocked, used them, and that the bbs stuff lasted longer.
As I’ve gotten older and weirder I don’t care about durability and am thus totally cool with spinning the ps stix roulette wheel of: ‘will this one suck to the point where I question continuing to skate, or be the best board I can remember having’.
Totally want to hear about this 14” wb one because Imma wb pervert and hard like ventures.
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Just a heads up. I just found out SkateDeluxe takes a picture of every deck that shows off the concave, looks like SkateWarehouse too:
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en
https://www.skatewarehouse.com
Man, this makes shopping for decks online so much easier. SkateDeluxe even have nose and tail measurements.
Does anyone know of any other sites that show the concave with consistency? This could really help with threads like this.
I'm really liking the way this Hopps deck dips before the nose and tail. Big old 7 inch nose too. (https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/KTAcQPcfYNPMP5rOUm6iwaii7lU=/fit-in/420x490/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/156575-2-Hopps-xLaborBarrier85.jpg)
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/hopps-x-labor-barrier-8-5-skateboard-deck-black-white_p156575?eav=234%2C233%2C951-954&cPath=42&brand_id=640,618
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Maybe the wrong thread to ask, but when did Alien start doing square shovel noses and stuff? I remember them being steeper than Girl and shit, but nothing close to the old Element decks I had.
I don't recall seeing any PS Stix squared off boards, or at least not in the square shapes they have now, but maybe three to five years ago when they were on BBS there were both the square and the regular shapes available, of which I got in quite a few and was curious that there were some advertised as the same, but they were clearly different.
One was the normal 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.38 wb and the other a square kick 8.5 x 32.25 with 14.2 wb - set them both up and really liked the normal one but couldn't skate the square one, short wheelbase and super long kicks, so passed that one on to someone else.
Now three years later and the square one is the only one that is coming out, going by recent stock drops.
Do really long nose/tails help with larger wheels?
We were without internet and phone services for a bit there.
Back now though.
Re that shape and larger wheels - a guy I know who is now on his third 8.5 square with short wheelbase went up from 54 to 56 mm wheels and said he could go even larger with the shape of those boards, as it works really well for him. This is a guy who can skate a ledge, a ramp, a pool, pretty much anything, so go figure, but it makes sense with how the board is set up.
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Does anyone know of any other sites that show the concave with consistency?
Maybe the most comprehensive deck info:
https://r-fskate.com/shopbrand/deck/
I have tried to compile as much info in the Woodshop thread too, but I just added your post as well.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.0