Strobeck and The shirts off thing

[ChuckRamone]

Strobeck will go down in history for illuminating the importance of nipples to skateboarding. He's a visionary.

[jakeumms]

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Theres a meme goin on about this.
Whats up with that besides de obvious?

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Fuck Strokeback, all my homies hate Strokeback.

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Since he's posing in this photo as Tom of Finland/Cruising/Leather Stud, would this be considered Gayface?

Been calling comedians in fat suits Fatface for years so yeah I think you're on it

[Stab n Kill]

Buncha confused puritanical sissies… in my day sex was healthy and cool, sleeze was progressive and revolutionary because it felt good and made reactionaries squirm. Pedophilia is one thing but harmless homoeroticism (not to mention just plain old body-positivity) is quite another. Hourly moral panics on a skate forum is a very bad cultural omen… we’re doomed (at least until gen-A deconstructs ‘woke’ and swings the pendulum back again) this place is culturally regressive, turn on, tune in, drop out… or cancel and be canceled until you’re in diapers, your choice.

I assume you’re pretty awkward under the sheets…and that your partners find those moments to be quite strange, calculated, passionless and rather unsexy…..sorry for being mean….Also, this rant is just an assumption. I could be dead wrong…you might be a hunk, for all I know..

[frontsideNECKTIE]

Yeah yeah yeah right wing this left wing that

take your shirt off and do a nollie flip or you're not going in the video

[Yonnycage]

Pedo-conspiratorial hysteria is just more scatalogical residue of twisted, paranoid right-wing demonology… Satanic cabals, human sacrifice, child sex trafficking, ritual murder, cannibalism, sinister amoral behavior, obscene plots, corruption and immorality practiced by demonic liberal elites, decadent artists, immoral libertines, aging skate filmers, punkers, rappers, radicals and revolutionaries, commies, homos, weirdos, immigrants, enemies of the state, etc… just more evidence of the rot growing in the American social structure… blah, blah, c’mon boys, how long u gonna fall for this puritanical reactionary QAnon bullshit, it’s a dumbing-down, a means of control i tell ya.

Obviously there are red lines, pedophiles really exist but measured judgement and critical thinking are skills worth developing. Pluralism, nonconformity and novel unfamiliar difference (like cross-generational friendships, confusing gender norms, topless male teenagers oh my!) free expression, free thinking, free speech and uncensored art are incredible cultural achievements, things worth preserving and fighting for, especially when some of it makes us uncomfortable. This is the price and promise of freedom.

Teenage aesthetics can be beautiful, poetic, sublime and worthy of artistic attention (just like any other aspect of human life) and can easily be revelatory and sincerely non-exploitative, ie necessary but not sufficient for pedophilia. Let’s stop the slippery slide into paranoia, anti-naturalism, censorship and totalitarianism. A healthy society is an open society, progress demands freedom, moral courage, experimentation, risk-taking, radical openness and tolerance, uncomfortable feelings/ideas, challenges to social norms and historical/cultural assumptions, etc… without the constant threat of cancellation, social shame (and/or violence).

it’s sad, the vibe around here nowadays reminds me of high school, only a very limited group of acceptable ideas/attitudes are tolerated by the socially dominant alphas (primitive bullies) who enforce strict conformity to the sacred slap shibboleths. This is pernicious, regressive conservatism by any definition.

What in the fuck

[skate_or_dingus]

Scatalogical residue?
We talking shit mist hear bud? That stuff is really bad for your health.

[fergus]

Damn I’m gay and I don’t see strobeck videos as being homo erotic or at all sexual (except in the vaguest sense that anything can be viewed as sexual depending on the observer). It’s strange to me that so many straight guys see a dude with his shirt off and go into hysteria because I don’t know any homos who feel this way about his edits it’s literally only straight dudes that freak out about it/even see it as anything sexual.

It’s especially odd to me especially because there’s plenty of footage of pros signing women’s breasts, women flashing in tour videos, pros talking about hooking up with women at demos and nobody questions their age or the intentions of the brand/filmer/pro etc.

Not saying it’s impossible that you’re all right about strobeck. If that’s the case that’s awful. I can’t help but think these comments say much more about the lens of the person making the comment more than they do the intentions of strobeck.

I do wish he’d zoom out a bit. He films some amazing skating and sometimes it’s hard to tell what’s going on

Why was this post deleted? I thought there was some good points here and things I had never considered before.

[yghartsyrt]

Yeah - Strobeck‘s filming got old over the last 10 years, but it’s equally tiring to hear the same discussion over and over again.

Regarding the shirtless boys things - I don’t see it as problematic as a lot of you do. Maybe it’s a US/Euro difference thing. It’s a cheap vehicle of transporting innocence, youth, endless summers of joy and fun. The last big summer of our final Highschool year. And an Hommage to Larry Clark/Kids, since that movie played a big role in how skateboarding as a youth culture was established in the main stream. Probably a little bit of trying to be transgressive, too. More in that direction.
And regarding the legal side of things, maybe someone with more insight can chime in, but I’d assume that since the kids are minors, that they’d need their parents’ consent and the material being published.

[botefdunn]

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Damn I’m gay and I don’t see strobeck videos as being homo erotic or at all sexual (except in the vaguest sense that anything can be viewed as sexual depending on the observer). It’s strange to me that so many straight guys see a dude with his shirt off and go into hysteria because I don’t know any homos who feel this way about his edits it’s literally only straight dudes that freak out about it/even see it as anything sexual.

It’s especially odd to me especially because there’s plenty of footage of pros signing women’s breasts, women flashing in tour videos, pros talking about hooking up with women at demos and nobody questions their age or the intentions of the brand/filmer/pro etc.

Not saying it’s impossible that you’re all right about strobeck. If that’s the case that’s awful. I can’t help but think these comments say much more about the lens of the person making the comment more than they do the intentions of strobeck.

I do wish he’d zoom out a bit. He films some amazing skating and sometimes it’s hard to tell what’s going on

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Why was this post deleted? I thought there was some good points here and things I had never considered before.

Agreed. But are you sure he didn't just delete it himself? I do that sometimes.

I don't like my shirts getting all sweaty and sticky, so I pretty much take my shirt of every time I skate when it's hot or humid. It's amazing the amount I get yelled at from passing cars, always a jocky dude yelling "put your shirt on." I'm kinda skinny and I figure they are projecting their own shame about not being big enough, but I just couldn't give less of a shit.
That said, I try to always put a shirt on if I'm going to film, because I like the way clothes move and I think the footage looks better, barring exceptions.

Bill's stuff just looks life typical fashion photography to me, which is highly sexualized and plays with a lot of unhealthy tropes if you want to get into it. But  it's so common in advertising and pop culture that I don't really associate it with him personally or notice it particularly in his stuff.

Here's my second favourite pet shop boys video. It's directed by Bruce Weber, a famous fashion photographer who I see as an archetype for the type of stuff fat Bill references

[ChuckRamone]

He should call his next video aureolamaxxing

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

What does Strobeck and people who film porn have in common?
They both like zooming in on the face during the finale

[Allen.]

Ok I think we’re all thinking about this too much.

Strobeck is just a weird fucking dork who happened to film some cool shit just competently enough (love the ass shot on that Kalis Tre flip dumbass) up until everyone started gassing his involvement on some important videos around 2010 and then he really started believing that he was the reason Photo and Mind Field and cherry was so great, and started dressing up in clothes that don’t fit like he’s some community college fine arts professor.

Shout out to Bill saying Stefan is like pac-man.

[Aerozzmith]

Sometime watching a Bill vid it struck me that Beagle has become the Stanley Kubrick of skate filmers at this point. I never expected some of the greatest footage of the last 10 years to be reduced to shoelaces and wild cuts. BHAD2 is fully off the hook though.

[MtnDoucheBag]

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I look good without a shirt but skating without a shirt is cornball.

love strobeck and he can do no wrong though

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What

I think he was kidding, or just hasn’t paid any attention to what he’s done after Photosynthesis.

[hardflip_easy]

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I look good without a shirt but skating without a shirt is cornball.

love strobeck and he can do no wrong though

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The angle was chosen so the wire wasn't visible. Skate magic like clark hasslers ender

what wire? (seriously)

[skate_or_dingus]

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I look good without a shirt but skating without a shirt is cornball.

love strobeck and he can do no wrong though

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The angle was chosen so the wire wasn't visible. Skate magic like clark hasslers ender

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what wire? (seriously)

 There was no wire. Clark's planet needed him.
 Note: Clark Hassler died on the way back to his home planet.

[Septa Bus]

as long as there are stupid people, strokebeck, suprem, friggin cool, and whatever minimalist brand ur newly graduated cooper union homie has will prosper. good for them for duping ppl for almost blank t shirts and borderline pedo videos and making a buck off it too. how long until he gets the dan schneider treatment

[Democratic Republic Of Mongo]

Gatekeepers choosing young people for a rare precious opportunity of a skate career. What could go wrong?

[Uncle Flea]

I hate skatebloarding with clothes on.

[mj23]

Pedo-conspiratorial hysteria is just more scatalogical residue of twisted, paranoid right-wing demonology… Satanic cabals, human sacrifice, child sex trafficking, ritual murder, cannibalism, sinister amoral behavior, obscene plots, corruption and immorality practiced by demonic liberal elites, decadent artists, immoral libertines, aging skate filmers, punkers, rappers, radicals and revolutionaries, commies, homos, weirdos, immigrants, enemies of the state, etc… just more evidence of the rot growing in the American social structure… blah, blah, c’mon boys, how long u gonna fall for this puritanical reactionary QAnon bullshit, it’s a dumbing-down, a means of control i tell ya.

Obviously there are red lines, pedophiles really exist but measured judgement and critical thinking are skills worth developing. Pluralism, nonconformity and novel unfamiliar difference (like cross-generational friendships, confusing gender norms, topless male teenagers oh my!) free expression, free thinking, free speech and uncensored art are incredible cultural achievements, things worth preserving and fighting for, especially when some of it makes us uncomfortable. This is the price and promise of freedom.

Teenage aesthetics can be beautiful, poetic, sublime and worthy of artistic attention (just like any other aspect of human life) and can easily be revelatory and sincerely non-exploitative, ie necessary but not sufficient for pedophilia. Let’s stop the slippery slide into paranoia, anti-naturalism, censorship and totalitarianism. A healthy society is an open society, progress demands freedom, moral courage, experimentation, risk-taking, radical openness and tolerance, uncomfortable feelings/ideas, challenges to social norms and historical/cultural assumptions, etc… without the constant threat of cancellation, social shame (and/or violence).

it’s sad, the vibe around here nowadays reminds me of high school, only a very limited group of acceptable ideas/attitudes are tolerated by the socially dominant alphas (primitive bullies) who enforce strict conformity to the sacred slap shibboleths. This is pernicious, regressive conservatism by any definition.

[Watson]

Regarding the shirtless boys things - I don’t see it as problematic as a lot of you do.

I don't find the whole thing problematic at all. Just weird.

I'm 46 and have been filming skating most of my life starting with my first video in 1998 and am actually finishing up a full length right now. I also manage the skateshop here so have friends and sometimes skate with people in their early 20s.

But if I were hanging out with them in an apartment filming them while they smoke weed with their shirts off that would just be fucking weird. Bill is one year younger than me.

I get that it's an aesthetic he's going for that he probably gets paid quite well for by Supreme because Supreme wants the edgy shit but if he's a true artist (which I'm assuming he believes he is), he should be able to make art without relying on weird shit like that.

Then again I am married and own a house in the middle of Canada so what can I say about a dude in New York getting paid by Supreme to hang out and film people half his age smoking weed with their shirts off?

[Ricky Vaughn]

I take my shirt off when on Slap in case some of you can see me

[jakeumms]

[A Not At All Naughty Chemist]

I wonder if he always has the heat turned way up

[Allen.]

This guy has a better hairline than bill

[yghartsyrt]

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Regarding the shirtless boys things - I don’t see it as problematic as a lot of you do.

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I don't find the whole thing problematic at all. Just weird.

I'm 46 and have been filming skating most of my life starting with my first video in 1998 and am actually finishing up a full length right now. I also manage the skateshop here so have friends and sometimes skate with people in their early 20s.

But if I were hanging out with them in an apartment filming them while they smoke weed with their shirts off that would just be fucking weird. Bill is one year younger than me.

I get that it's an aesthetic he's going for that he probably gets paid quite well for by Supreme because Supreme wants the edgy shit but if he's a true artist (which I'm assuming he believes he is), he should be able to make art without relying on weird shit like that.

Then again I am married and own a house in the middle of Canada so what can I say about a dude in New York getting paid by Supreme to hang out and film people half his age smoking weed with their shirts off?

Fully agree with you here

[benboardbreaker]

slap's nipple gate. i must say i don't have strong opinions on this matter. but i prefer watching skaters with a shirt on. call me old fashion 

[No Wave Comply]

Supreme needs to make one of those t-shirts with a pair of women's breasts (giving the illusion of nudity), but use an Italian teen grom's hairless chest instead; they could call it the "Roosterhawk."

A little somethin' for all the Never Nude/Gymnophobic hypebeats and team riders.

[Ninj2]

What if the person fat bill is filming just take the shirt  off and bill never asked them to ? I know. Beebs filmed that crazy shit of people beating people in the streets and instead of sending it to  anti hero for a cut in a montage video he just posted it on the gram and looked very swoll and got cancels. Beebs brought back the shirtless street vibes. That whole thing with how the skate world treat verbs don’t sit right. How the fuck you gonna side with wreckball? Of all the lame people to do cool shit he is the guy. I would never do that dudes acid. Never.

[GAY]

are we ready to talk about billiam being on ozempic?

unless he's battling an illness. then in that case i'll delete this post

Bill gone full fatty 2 flatty