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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Goodcurbs on August 06, 2022, 04:16:25 PM
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I'm ordering these right now.
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I’m confused by that title
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Oh damn a wheel tested by people who don't have a bad thing to say about anyone/anything? Seems legit.
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Check the wheel thread……
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OP is referencing this vid. Hopefully spitfire steals the formula so I don't have to give Powell money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgWbL7FlbY
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Friend of mine bought some. I ordered a set because they were amazing when I tried his. Our local is all chewed up and crusty so I’ve been skating softer ( 95-99) wheels anyway. The only drawback is they don’t make noise when they slide. They ride soft and slide hard.
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I gonna wait for @giftedhater to tell me what to think
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My first set of wheels were Powell Peralta Crossbones in 1987 and I am happy to leave it there.
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how much do nine club autographs sell for?
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I bought some of the prototype pre-production wheels. They're good. I'm not going to replace all my Spit F4s with dragon wheels, but i'm glad I tried them. I'll probably keep a set in rotation in my quiver.
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I dude at the park was skating these the other day.
I tried his board briefly. It was a really smooth ride, but it was still easy to do powerslides.
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I’ll pass on anything that roger likes
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I’ll pass on anything that roger likes
Better give up them curbs, then.
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I like soft wheels and I like ground thats a bit rougher like asphalt, basically I'd rather just get bodied than slip out. But is what && says correct they slide more on ruf ground? Sounds like a shittier combo
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"Soft wheels don't slide"
If we're talking powerslides, that's not true. I've ridden wheels from Satori, Spitfire, Bones, OJ, and Powell in the 78 to 85 durometer range and they were all powerslideable. It's a way more resistant slide as compared to a hard wheel, but that's why I got them. I like bombing hills and don't like sliding out.
If we're talking noseslides, tailslides, or bluntslides on ledges that aren't caked in hella wax, I'll agree.
Soft wheels can slide on super waxed ledges on a hot day, but you'll be wishing you had a hard wheel that was made for that type of skating.
I was really hoping to see some nose or tailslides in the 9 Club testimonial video, but it was all board slides. The crooked grind was a good proof of concept, because soft wheels and crooked grinds don't really work. Andy Anderson has video that includes a tailslide, nose blunt slide, and some powerslides, which sold me on them actually sliding like a hard wheel:
https://youtu.be/z9h0oll-RZc?t=10
OJ makes a 92a wheel. A buddy of mine could make those things do any slide. I've been told Spitfire also used to make something in that range.
I'm currently riding some Powell 83a wheels around San Francisco. I feel a lot safer bombing hills on the Spitfire 80HDs because they are a lot less prone to sliding out at high speeds. But that limits the amount of tricks I can do at spots, which is a trade off. At times I've just carried a set of hard wheels with me and swapped em at the spot.
If I was pushing through rough flat streets to go skate a spot where I wanted to be able to do any trick, perhaps these Dragons would be a better fit.
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I blame my gear before my abilities any day of the week so I just copped a set
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cool can I have everyone’s abandoned spitfire wheels
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"Soft wheels don't slide"
If we're talking powerslides, that's not true. I've ridden wheels from Satori, Spitfire, Bones, OJ, and Powell in the 78 to 85 durometer range and they were all powerslideable. It's a way more resistant slide as compared to a hard wheel, but that's why I got them. I like bombing hills and don't like sliding out.
If we're talking noseslides, tailslides, or bluntslides on ledges that aren't caked in hella wax, I'll agree.
Soft wheels can slide on super waxed ledges on a hot day, but you'll be wishing you had a hard wheel that was made for that type of skating.
I was really hoping to see some nose or tailslides in the 9 Club testimonial video, but it was all board slides. The crooked grind was a good proof of concept, because soft wheels and crooked grinds don't really work. Andy Anderson has video that includes a tailslide, nose blunt slide, and some powerslides, which sold me on them actually sliding like a hard wheel:
https://youtu.be/z9h0oll-RZc?t=10
OJ makes a 92a wheel. A buddy of mine could make those things do any slide. I've been told Spitfire also used to make something in that range.
I'm currently riding some Powell 83a wheels around San Francisco. I feel a lot safer bombing hills on the Spitfire 80HDs because they are a lot less prone to sliding out at high speeds. But that limits the amount of tricks I can do at spots, which is a trade off. At times I've just carried a set of hard wheels with me and swapped em at the spot.
If I was pushing through rough flat streets to go skate a spot where I wanted to be able to do any trick, perhaps these Dragons would be a better fit.
If you are into bombing hills, have you tried downhill wheels made in more conventional shapes?
The grip well, but when you get them to slide, it’s a nice and controlled.
But you really have to sit back in the lawnchair to slide them properly
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Interesting. There should be a separate thread for these in shoes & gear. I can’t be bothered reading the wheels thread as I love my F4s so much.
I bought into the hype of the Bones Easy Streets and they were dog shit. Totally unpredictable. I hope these won’t be like that cuz I am interested in trying these out. Finland is rough as fuck so if these really work nicely they could indeed be a game changer.
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I'm not convinced on anything that a Tensor Mag enjoyer tries to pitch me
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OP is referencing this vid. Hopefully spitfire steals the formula so I don't have to give Powell money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgWbL7FlbY
Haha! George powell hasn’t and never will invent a damn thing that’s worth anything. The guy has a personality that’s far less interesting than a damp paper towel…back when I rode for them in the early and late 90’s I had the worst opportunity once of having to sit down with most of the team and listen to him tell us how the team and the brand was at its best that it’s been since the late 80’s…. it was 1994 when he sat us down to have this pep talk and I just wanted to laugh my ass off at his delusional insight… through out the 7/8 years that I rode for them I did hear that George designed some of their urethane formulas, but all of those wheel creations were terrible. Do any of you remember the powell B52 urethane formula? Well, it was garbage, the wheels were too hard and wouldn’t slide on lipslides, noseblunt slides or nose slides where your front wheels are pressing on the vertical wall of the ledge. So basically, the b52’s had all the disadvantages of hard wheels along with all the disadvantages of soft cruiser wheels. It was an amazing lose lose creation..
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this is not a paid advertisment. i repeat not a paid advertisment!
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For those who don't lurk the gear thread, wheel thread etc... here's my tldr take on these after skating them a bit and also some of the prototype versions:
They are soft, fast, and they powerslide very very well. There's some bark and screech too depending on the surface.
On waxed concrete, and some other surfaces, they lip/blunt/tail/noseslide just as good as a formula four.
However, they still have some of the drawbacks soft wheels have:
- They pitch you off more than a hard wheel if you wheelbite
- When you grind certain ledges/rails it drags more than a hard wheel, especially on crooked grinds
- Obviously they have less of the satisfying sound of a hard wheel
- They grip a bit and are harder to get into slappies with than a hard wheel
I'm honestly surprised Rog was doing feebles and crooked grinds so easily on those venice curbs without getting pitched. Would be curious to see a side by side comparison on those wheels vs f4s. Maybe they're icy as shit, or the right type of concrete. On one of the curbs and ledges I skate a lot, crooked grinds drag so much more than on f4s. Though that spot is really rough and dry to be fair.
They're a really great wheel, but will still come with some drawbacks vs a proper hard wheel. These drawbacks may or may not be a gamechanger depending on what you skate and what your priorities are. I'm keeping mine around for certain situations, but they're not going to be my go to wheel.
If you already skate soft ish wheels (95 and below), then these will hands down perform better than any of those. But if you're coming from a 99 or 101 f4, or stf or something like that, you may miss some of the attributes of the hard wheels... but also maybe not.
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OP is referencing this vid. Hopefully spitfire steals the formula so I don't have to give Powell money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgWbL7FlbY
Haha! George powell hasn’t and never will invent a damn thing that’s worth anything. The guy has a personality that’s far less interesting than a damp paper towel…back when I rode for them in the early and late 90’s I had the worst opportunity once of having to sit down with most of the team and listen to him tell us how the team and the brand was at its best that it’s been since the late 80’s…. it was 1994 when he sat us down to have this pep talk and I just wanted to laugh my ass off at his delusional insight… through out the 7/8 years that I rode for them I did hear that George designed some of their urethane formulas, but all of those wheel creations were terrible. Do any of you remember the powell B52 urethane formula? Well, it was garbage, the wheels were too hard and wouldn’t slide on lipslides, noseblunt slides or nose slides where your front wheels are pressing on the vertical wall of the ledge. So basically, the b52’s had all the disadvantages of hard wheels along with all the disadvantages of soft cruiser wheels. It was an amazing lose lose creation..
Scenic Drive had some decent skateboarding but there was definitely a corporate vibe to it.
Regarding Bones wheels, I am almost exclusively skating an old skool set up (Dane1) with Bones Rough Riders and I have to say the formula is really incredible and I have a set of these new dragon wheels on the way.
I don’t plan on sliding my wheels on ledges anymore. I’m just trying to take the edge off on my old bones.
BTW—I would have never even thought about buying Powell wheels in the 90s. Pretty sure every shop I went into only sold 53mm Spitfires which would flat spot immediately if you slid a trick in. Of all skate components wheel technology has really progressed the furthest.
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OP is referencing this vid. Hopefully spitfire steals the formula so I don't have to give Powell money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgWbL7FlbY
Haha! George powell hasn’t and never will invent a damn thing that’s worth anything. The guy has a personality that’s far less interesting than a damp paper towel…back when I rode for them in the early and late 90’s I had the worst opportunity once of having to sit down with most of the team and listen to him tell us how the team and the brand was at its best that it’s been since the late 80’s…. it was 1994 when he sat us down to have this pep talk and I just wanted to laugh my ass off at his delusional insight… through out the 7/8 years that I rode for them I did hear that George designed some of their urethane formulas, but all of those wheel creations were terrible. Do any of you remember the powell B52 urethane formula? Well, it was garbage, the wheels were too hard and wouldn’t slide on lipslides, noseblunt slides or nose slides where your front wheels are pressing on the vertical wall of the ledge. So basically, the b52’s had all the disadvantages of hard wheels along with all the disadvantages of soft cruiser wheels. It was an amazing lose lose creation..
Scenic Drive had some decent skateboarding but there was definitely a corporate vibe to it.
Regarding Bones wheels, I am almost exclusively skating an old skool set up (Dane1) with Bones Rough Riders and I have to say the formula is really incredible and I have a set of these new dragon wheels on the way.
I don’t plan on sliding my wheels on ledges anymore. I’m just trying to take the edge off on my old bones.
BTW—I would have never even thought about buying Powell wheels in the 90s. Pretty sure every shop I went into only sold 53mm Spitfires which would flat spot immediately if you slid a trick in. Of all skate components wheel technology has really progressed the furthest.
To be honest, I don’t know anything about powell’s urethane formulas or the quality of their urethane after 1997. But I know that before that time they had some pretty terrible ideas that they put out for the public to buy. I know that spitfire had some issues with thier urethane on and off for a decade or longer, so that might be the reason for the flat spotting.. companies obviously make mistakes from time to time.. for instance, from the age of 15, into my mid 20’s I rode only independentl trucks but that changed when back in 2003 independent had a problem with the axles on their trucks bending really easy and it was so bad that I had to switch to riding thunders.. when powell started producing the scenic drive video they didn’t really give anyone on the team any creative control over the video and how they put the video together. But Suburban diners was a 100% controlled and edited by the team at the time ( I didn’t really like either of those videos)….
Back in 1995 powell started an aggressive rollerblade wheel and bearings company called “BLOOD” they had a team and the whole nine, it was pretty fucking awful to say the least..
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And I have bought my first set of keyframes like two weeks ago... Havent put them on but I hope I can still enjoy them now.
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Why does Roger wear the same women's glasses George wore on Seinfeld?
Also I'd only ride them if they renamed them dragon these nutz
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https://youtu.be/TuCwvCvqyjU
Rogers glasses
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I’ll pass on anything that roger likes
Better give up them curbs, then.
You right fam, fuck it
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That video stinks of advertorial bullshit and makes me not wanna try them. Spitfire 97as are fuckin sick enough.
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We're going to shoot you talking, here have some gum
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What an exhaustive test in skating one super iced double sided curb that has shitty ground. Honestly these wheels are great on bad ground, they grip on lots of grinds and slides on normal ledges, and felt slow at a park.
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cool can I have everyone’s abandoned spitfire wheels
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I just got 2 sets.
both 54, one skinny, one wider
they really are all the hype.
soft, but slide. simple.
I will always have a board with f4 97d though.
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Yo if u watch the vid its so scripted its unbelievable that ppl fall for this shit, roger is such a scrawny ass lil nerd its sickening
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I get that everyone here hates the 9 Club and thinks Roger is a kook, and that's fine, I mostly agree, but everything he said about the wheels mirrors my own experience as a paying customer. They absolutely blow the 97a Spitfires out of the water, they reduce the fatigue on my aging back, they slide beautifully.
They are not my great wheel for brand new, glass-smooth skatepark cement, but for every other surface where I've used them, they're a huge improvement.
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soft wheels from my personal experience have always been too spongey for me, i like 2 feel out everything, the pavement is good feedback, and the feeling of ice skating around good concrete on spitfires is an unbeatable feeling
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As someone who is/becoming an old with a bad back I can't help but feel all these "my back doesn't hurt" comments are just trying to take advantage of me and my kind. I know youre just after some money, I'm not gonna fall in love with the hooters waitress.
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As someone who is/becoming an old with a bad back I can't help but feel all these "my back doesn't hurt" comments are just trying to take advantage of me and my kind. I know youre just after some money, I'm not gonna fall in love with the hooters waitress.
But she’s really into you, dude.
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I gonna wait for @giftedhater to tell me what to think
Ben degros
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#teamRictaClouds86D
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I gonna wait for @giftedhater to tell me what to think
Ben degros
He only reviews shorts now
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Wondering if they keep speed as well. Sometimes I like to skate the stf wheels because they seem to hold speed better than a softer wheel.
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I gonna wait for @giftedhater to tell me what to think
Ben degros
I’m gonna need to know if these wheels are dad or bro
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I gonna wait for @giftedhater to tell me what to think
Ben degros
I’m gonna need to know if these wheels are dad or bro
Ain't nothing bro about Powell
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Is he eating or chewing gum? Really fucking with my head watching that
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Im sure the wheels are good but that was the worst obviously paid advertisment ever. Cringe
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I just got 2 sets.
both 54, one skinny, one wider
they really are all the hype.
soft, but slide. simple.
I will always have a board with f4 97d though.
What do you see F4s doing better than these magic Dragon wheels?
I'm a diehard F4 user but I am super curious about these.... They are going to have to be really special to tempt me away from F4 99 and 97s.
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I don’t think Roger knows how to chew gum
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Whenever these come out in 50mm I’ll try them (so I think I’m good for a while)
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I gonna wait for @giftedhater to tell me what to think
Ben degros
Canadian shorts are measured in kilometers, eh.
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Back hurt? Getting tired after only 4 hours of skating? Grab a set of Powell Dragons yall
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Back hurt? Getting tired after only 4 hours of skating? Grab a set of Powell Dragons yall
4 hours of skateboarding is a lot but they just slappy so makes sense.
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Before the dragon I could only skate 45 mins before getting sore, now I skate 19 hours a day. I literally cannot stop skating. Someone please tell my family I’m sorry and I love them.
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Before the dragon I could only skate 45 mins before getting sore, now I skate 19 hours a day. I literally cannot stop skating. Someone please tell my family I’m sorry and I love them.
Lol
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I got a set of these and they fixed my prolapsed disc and I can now skate for 30 days straight! I eat one wheel a day and my penis has grown a dragons mouth.
They’re so quick on the ‘not paid a dime’ replies that I’m wondering what the payday is? Because no one does shit like that for free. Even the ‘hey random guy try these wheels I happen to have endless sets in my bag!” Is so cringey and suss.
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I got a set. What's so freaking odd about them is they slide better as the ground gets rougher. on smooth ground they remind me of 99a F4 wheels of the same shape. On rough chunky ground they roll like softer wheels but the slide is almost slick and oiley. I'm going to stick with them and I'll post some negative stuff later to fit in more.
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Kelly hart is kinda the Salacious Crumb of the 9 Club. I guess CRob is some kind of dumb C3PO mixed with Viv Fortuna
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I skated for like fifteen years and never gave a shit about wheel hardness because you either suck dick at skating or are good
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But what if I want to suck less dick? Like a smaller dick or fewer of them?
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It’s pretty easy to skate 6-8 hours when you never pop your board
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What if I want to suck 37 dicks?
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I remember reading/watching a G-Slides review and the reviewer mentioned that they slid fine for a bit then started behaving more like a typical cruiser wheel. I'm curious to see how if these new joints will keep the same slide as they break in
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What if I want to suck 37 dicks?
in a row?
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What if I want to suck 37 dicks?
With full conical 99a I usually stop at 30. Bad back y'know.
Will give Powell's a try and report back. Soft and slick might be the secret here.
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OP is referencing this vid. Hopefully spitfire steals the formula so I don't have to give Powell money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgWbL7FlbY
just stopping by to say that roger looks like he has bad breath and that this video is really weird
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#teamRictaClouds86D
#teamRictasupercrystal
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Viv Fortuna
I see you, and appreciate you.
Well played.
Thank you for your service to the bloards.
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I see you, and appreciate you.
Well played.
Thank you for your service to the bloards.
Haha thank you. It means a lot you got that. It’s why I like it here
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OP is referencing this vid. Hopefully spitfire steals the formula so I don't have to give Powell money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgWbL7FlbY
Haha! George powell hasn’t and never will invent a damn thing that’s worth anything. The guy has a personality that’s far less interesting than a damp paper towel…back when I rode for them in the early and late 90’s I had the worst opportunity once of having to sit down with most of the team and listen to him tell us how the team and the brand was at its best that it’s been since the late 80’s…. it was 1994 when he sat us down to have this pep talk and I just wanted to laugh my ass off at his delusional insight… through out the 7/8 years that I rode for them I did hear that George designed some of their urethane formulas, but all of those wheel creations were terrible. Do any of you remember the powell B52 urethane formula? Well, it was garbage, the wheels were too hard and wouldn’t slide on lipslides, noseblunt slides or nose slides where your front wheels are pressing on the vertical wall of the ledge. So basically, the b52’s had all the disadvantages of hard wheels along with all the disadvantages of soft cruiser wheels. It was an amazing lose lose creation..
But how do you feel about bonite?
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Is the new formula made in the USA?
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so yeah, paid advertisement and im not interested in bones, powell, or andy anderson.
but i am interested in what those wheels are claiming. im going to portugal soon and i read that you have to skate longer distances between spots on mosaics/cobblestone. instead of switching out soft cruisers and spitfire classics like I have when I know I'll be out all day, what are some other wheels to recommend for an easy ride on crusty surfaces that still have a decent control for normal street skating. I had a set of OJs that I kind of liked and I could still skate in, but when doing shit like backside 180 tricks, I felt I got caught on the last part of the rotation.
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Is the new formula made in the USA?
Seems like all their wheels are made in Ventura, CA.
And all the high-end stuff like the flight decks are still made there too.
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Is the new formula made in the USA?
Seems like all their wheels are made in Ventura, CA.
And all the high-end stuff like the flight decks are still made there too.
Definitely going to cop a set next first of the month. I been skating bones last two day anyway. V2 54 Mullen.
There’s been few wheels made that I don’t like. I try to use everything
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Is the new formula made in the USA?
Seems like all their wheels are made in Ventura, CA.
And all the high-end stuff like the flight decks are still made there too.
I wish Ace was made in Ventura
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cool can I have everyone’s abandoned spitfire wheels
update: wait hold up andy anderson skates these?!
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Is the new formula made in the USA?
Seems like all their wheels are made in Ventura, CA.
And all the high-end stuff like the flight decks are still made there too.
I wish Ace was made in Ventura
Me too. That would be the beez frickin kneez. Then I’d never need to buy and china crap.
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Damn no 58s or 60s What a bummer. I bet this formula isn’t going to be for very ramping. They won’t go higher than 56 which is almost the minimum for me.
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https://youtu.be/5KI2jkRDvow
I should be fuvking with these
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Is the new formula made in the USA?
Seems like all their wheels are made in Ventura, CA.
And all the high-end stuff like the flight decks are still made there too.
I wish Ace was made in Ventura
Your af1 is digging into my hip
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One of my buddies got a pair of blank sample wheels from frank recently. 58 conicals and they almost look like they’re glow in the dark but they aren’t. But ya basically the same as what all this dragon hype is about. He rides vert/combi type stuff and they work really well gripping slippery ass ground and still are able to slide. Maybe they are in cahoots because dragons spitfire.
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How many times does Roger say "fuckin'" or "fuck" in that review video?? It needs that counter meter in the corner like South Park did for how many times they said "shit".
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Is he eating or chewing gum? Really fucking with my head watching that
booger
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Is he eating or chewing gum? Really fucking with my head watching that
booger
Lol! Rog def eats his boogers. Wasn’t there a 9 club where he did that? Or was it a pimple?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs2kTGZKjRY&t=
32:50
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I'm going to get some of the 54mm soon, after fracturing my radial bone in my elbow from hitting a rock I'm over hard wheels except for smooth skate parks.
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Think that Viva la Bam money has dried up?
Now Roger is after that Powell Paper
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What if I want to suck 37 dicks?
This wins
Try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot
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Ben Degros should review them.
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Ben Degros should review them.
In Ben we Trust.
Seriously though, most trustworthy and unbiased reviewer in all of skateboarding.
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Kinda weird these are Powell wheels not bones. Would be like if new tech real wheels came out instead of Spitfires
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I have actually skated the formula before this one and those are the best wheels I've ever ridden, since I like to have only one board I skate daily and then also go to the park. I ordered 4 packs of them into Finland, they are 90a but have the same qualities as discussed. Prob don't slide that well as these new ones but I've been able to do tailslides on waxed copings.
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What if I want to suck 37 dicks?
or all 37 at the same time? messy
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I have actually skated the formula before this one and those are the best wheels I've ever ridden, since I like to have only one board I skate daily and then also go to the park. I ordered 4 packs of them into Finland, they are 90a but have the same qualities as discussed. Prob don't slide that well as these new ones but I've been able to do tailslides on waxed copings.
What are the 90a ones called and where are they sold? Cheers.
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This was just a really uncomfortable ad.
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Rog didnt even slide them. Thats like, the whole point.
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I have actually skated the formula before this one and those are the best wheels I've ever ridden, since I like to have only one board I skate daily and then also go to the park. I ordered 4 packs of them into Finland, they are 90a but have the same qualities as discussed. Prob don't slide that well as these new ones but I've been able to do tailslides on waxed copings.
What are the 90a ones called and where are they sold? Cheers.
They were these ones: https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-oval-dragon-skateboard-wheels-56mm-90a-4pk . Got it from an international reseller, don't remember anymore which one.
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Rog didnt even slide them. Thats like, the whole point.
He was too busy “rolling” and trying not to grind his teeth off.
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Finally watched this review. How the fuck is this guy claiming to skate a curb for 8 hours and then constantly crying about how busy he is?
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One of my buddies got a pair of blank sample wheels from frank recently. 58 conicals and they almost look like they’re glow in the dark but they aren’t. But ya basically the same as what all this dragon hype is about. He rides vert/combi type stuff and they work really well gripping slippery ass ground and still are able to slide. Maybe they are in cahoots because dragons spitfire.
frank as in frank gerwer? spitfire is working on their take on dragons?
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Authentic Andy Anderson is a pillar of sincerity in my head and yes yes I’m going to buy all the products he endorses . He skates probably everyday and basically does whatever he wants plus I’m sure he smokes weed from a vaporizer and sometimes drinks beer too with friends and such….. I always knew my wheels weren’t working. Stuck on the fourth formula they say…. We need 5 or 6 sometime guys. Actually nahhhh cause these new Powell wheels will guide you away from the cold grip of irony and you can actually slide away and it feel sketchy brah and the ground will be smooth and won’t shake your brain and give you gradual CTE. You might now want to scream inside after these wheels are on your board !
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Finally watched this review. How the fuck is this guy claiming to skate a curb for 8 hours and then constantly crying about how busy he is?
ahaha DAMN I thought the same
I haven't had sessions that long in 7-8 years cause of adult life, Im 33 now
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Oh damn a wheel tested by people who don't have a bad thing to say about anyone/anything? Seems legit.
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Not that they’re ere ever going to have a lot of success with average skaters by having && lead the promotion, but the nine club video probably SEVERELY set back potential sales. Which is sort of a bummer because the wheels are good.
The upside is, more for me when they go on sale
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What if I want to suck 37 dicks?
or all 37 at the same time? messy
Now you know where Morrissey got the name for the song Big Mouth Strikes again.
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Not that they’re ere ever going to have a lot of success with average skaters by having && lead the promotion, but the nine club video probably SEVERELY set back potential sales. Which is sort of a bummer because the wheels are good.
The upside is, more for me when they go on sale
I think Powell did a bit of research into who buys their stuff and how to market them. Most our customers are old so be sure to mention back pain and the rest are skate dorks who like youtubers especially the nine club.
Also an 8 hour session at one spot is fucking psycho behaviour
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will someone just film a powerslide in these dumb ass wheels i'm curious
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One of my buddies got a pair of blank sample wheels from frank recently. 58 conicals and they almost look like they’re glow in the dark but they aren’t. But ya basically the same as what all this dragon hype is about. He rides vert/combi type stuff and they work really well gripping slippery ass ground and still are able to slide. Maybe they are in cahoots because dragons spitfire.
frank as in frank gerwer? spitfire is working on their take on dragons?
He prolly gave him a set of the F4 97s.
They are glorious on chunky stuff, but I miss the spot on/low effort slide of the 99s.
They’re prolly the best “soft” wheels out right now.
I haven’t tried these dragon jawns out, so my “statistics” are (ahem: admittedly) skewed, but why would I need too? I’ve already got these F4 97s rolling and they’re more than adequate.
As an aside… I am of the mind that these F4s are not actually 97 duro. They feel more like a 93-95 to me.
Maybe they pulled a George Powell over at Deluxe & “reinvented the wheel” before the goofs over at Skate One did.
Late, as usual, Powell. ;)
Still waiting on that “reinvented” TKP park/street truck.
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Not that they’re ere ever going to have a lot of success with average skaters by having && lead the promotion, but the nine club video probably SEVERELY set back potential sales. Which is sort of a bummer because the wheels are good.
The upside is, more for me when they go on sale
Also an 8 hour session at one spot is fucking psycho behaviour
I've only ever met one person riding a flight deck. Mid-30s, getting back into skating after a long time, riding that crazy && shaped deck, skating the miniramp in full pads. He was stoked on it. He's probably a lot happier than all of us depraved internet sickos lol
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One of my buddies got a pair of blank sample wheels from frank recently. 58 conicals and they almost look like they’re glow in the dark but they aren’t. But ya basically the same as what all this dragon hype is about. He rides vert/combi type stuff and they work really well gripping slippery ass ground and still are able to slide. Maybe they are in cahoots because dragons spitfire.
frank as in frank gerwer? spitfire is working on their take on dragons?
They are glorious on chunky stuff, but I miss the spot on/low effort slide of the 99s.
They’re prolly the best “soft” wheels out right now.
I haven’t tried these dragon jawns out, so my “statistics” are (ahem: admittedly) skewed, but why would I need too? I’ve already got these F4 97s rolling and they’re more than adequate.
As an aside… I am of the mind that these F4s are not actually 97 duro. They feel more like a 93-95 to me.
Maybe they pulled a George Powell over at Deluxe & “reinvented the wheel” before the goofs over at Skate One did.
Late, as usual, Powell. ;)
Still waiting on that “reinvented” TKP park/street truck.
FWIW I was a huge and vocal proponent of the 97a Spitfire wheels until I got some of the promo 93s Powell wheels. These things are a gigantic improvement over the Spitfire, there's no question. I gave away my 97s after a week or two of skating the Dragons, because to me they were no longer useful.
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Rog didnt even slide them. Thats like, the whole point.
He was too busy “rolling” and trying not to grind his teeth off.
Is that what it was because the whole video creeped me out like I was going to end up in a cult of I didn't stop it when I did. I couldn't finish it. When the new guy showed up and they gave him a set I was out. Roger was definitely acting strange.
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I have a set of these right now. I have switched between Bones and Spits for years and am currently running Bones street tech formula V1 standards. They are the Formula 4 of Bones (and aren't the bright white wheels).
I'd say I haven't given the new formula a fair solid roll, but from what I have skated, they work great. It's a little odd to feel them so soft and smooth but still slide. I'll skate them some more and update the thread.
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One of my buddies got a pair of blank sample wheels from frank recently. 58 conicals and they almost look like they’re glow in the dark but they aren’t. But ya basically the same as what all this dragon hype is about. He rides vert/combi type stuff and they work really well gripping slippery ass ground and still are able to slide. Maybe they are in cahoots because dragons spitfire.
frank as in frank gerwer? spitfire is working on their take on dragons?
They are glorious on chunky stuff, but I miss the spot on/low effort slide of the 99s.
They’re prolly the best “soft” wheels out right now.
I haven’t tried these dragon jawns out, so my “statistics” are (ahem: admittedly) skewed, but why would I need too? I’ve already got these F4 97s rolling and they’re more than adequate.
As an aside… I am of the mind that these F4s are not actually 97 duro. They feel more like a 93-95 to me.
Maybe they pulled a George Powell over at Deluxe & “reinvented the wheel” before the goofs over at Skate One did.
Late, as usual, Powell. ;)
Still waiting on that “reinvented” TKP park/street truck.
The 97A F4 are still very much hard wheels. I guess it depends on where you live and what you skate. Here in Finland the 97A are IMO a huge improvement over the 99A but they’re still far from adequate for many rough ass spots or rolling around the city from spot to spot. If the new Powells sort that out and won’t suck otherwise I’m gonna be stoked. I’m not really excited to be riding Powell or Bones wheels but if the performance is there I can deal with it and hope that Spitfire comes out with a 92A F4 soon. :D
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Think that Viva la Bam money has dried up?
Now Roger is after that Powell Paper
Viva La Bam ended almost 20 years ago...
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Rog didnt even slide them. Thats like, the whole point.
He was too busy “rolling” and trying not to grind his teeth off.
Is that what it was because the whole video creeped me out like I was going to end up in a cult of I didn't stop it when I did. I couldn't finish it. When the new guy showed up and they gave him a set I was out. Roger was definitely acting strange.
i watched this video and was CREEPED OUT also! bunch of fucking CREEPS that's for sure. I couldn't finish it either. Made me literally vomit on the floor. these guys trying to let people know they like these wheels!? fucking disgusting cult-like behavior that is FOR SURE.
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I love the Slap message boards.
If I’m not indulging in the romanticism liberated by the imagination and unity of the global skate community feeling the exalted emotions and not completely repulsed by the very next post then it just wouldn’t be the Slap Forum.
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so yeah, paid advertisement and im not interested in bones, powell, or andy anderson.
but i am interested in what those wheels are claiming. im going to portugal soon and i read that you have to skate longer distances between spots on mosaics/cobblestone. instead of switching out soft cruisers and spitfire classics like I have when I know I'll be out all day, what are some other wheels to recommend for an easy ride on crusty surfaces that still have a decent control for normal street skating. I had a set of OJs that I kind of liked and I could still skate in, but when doing shit like backside 180 tricks, I felt I got caught on the last part of the rotation.
They might be the ones you already had, but I really like the super juice minis for a hood in between wheel
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I will wait for others to report. I haven't trusted Powell/Bones with anything since the Boneite debacle.
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so yeah, paid advertisement and im not interested in bones, powell, or andy anderson.
but i am interested in what those wheels are claiming. im going to portugal soon and i read that you have to skate longer distances between spots on mosaics/cobblestone. instead of switching out soft cruisers and spitfire classics like I have when I know I'll be out all day, what are some other wheels to recommend for an easy ride on crusty surfaces that still have a decent control for normal street skating. I had a set of OJs that I kind of liked and I could still skate in, but when doing shit like backside 180 tricks, I felt I got caught on the last part of the rotation.
While we’re on this subject what would euro pals recommend for Paris, going in October and then moving there permanently in the new year. I know it’s kinda old and rough but also more modern road and sidewalk wise depending where you are. Should I get cruiser board or just invest in an e bike ? I grew up in older southern cities so I’m used to shitty ground but I’m assuming this is next level crust
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so yeah, paid advertisement and im not interested in bones, powell, or andy anderson.
but i am interested in what those wheels are claiming. im going to portugal soon and i read that you have to skate longer distances between spots on mosaics/cobblestone. instead of switching out soft cruisers and spitfire classics like I have when I know I'll be out all day, what are some other wheels to recommend for an easy ride on crusty surfaces that still have a decent control for normal street skating. I had a set of OJs that I kind of liked and I could still skate in, but when doing shit like backside 180 tricks, I felt I got caught on the last part of the rotation.
While we’re on this subject what would euro pals recommend for Paris, going in October and then moving there permanently in the new year. I know it’s kinda old and rough but also more modern road and sidewalk wise depending where you are. Should I get cruiser board or just invest in an e bike ? I grew up in older southern cities so I’m used to shitty ground but I’m assuming this is next level crust
Get a good normal bike, then spray paint and sticker it, make it as ugly and fucked up looking as possible so nobody bothers to steal it, even though it's great.
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will someone just film a powerslide in these dumb ass wheels i'm curious
mee too, a soft wheel that wont flat spot for hill bombing speed checks sounds cool.
Just watched the video, a lot of what roger said was weird "this is like the krytonics revolution"?... ???
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will someone just film a powerslide in these dumb ass wheels i'm curious
mee too, a soft wheel that wont flat spot for hill bombing speed checks sounds cool.
Just watched the video, a lot of what roger said was weird "this is like the krytonics revolution"?... ???
Zach Doelling power sliding the 93a and 95a:
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU?t=406 (https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU?t=406)
Edit: Zach in the comments: "They should be out near September, also in a 97!"
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will someone just film a powerslide in these dumb ass wheels i'm curious
mee too, a soft wheel that wont flat spot for hill bombing speed checks sounds cool.
Just watched the video, a lot of what roger said was weird "this is like the krytonics revolution"?... ???
Agree it sounds overblown…
In case you’re wondering he’s referring to this
https://issuu.com/dwindledistribution/docs/concrete_wave_mag_11_13
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I will wait for others to report. I haven't trusted Powell/Bones with anything since the Boneite debacle.
Check the wheel thread in the gear category.
Feedback seems to be 90% positive, with the 10% being some questions about friction on very specific things like angle iron, how quiet they are, or if it’s worth giving up 97a Spits
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Oj Nomads Baby. Been on these for a min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr5P4EgE54k
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I've been skating off and on for 35 years.
Went through a gnar phase chucking myself off the tallest shit I could find, and later in life switched to tech skating when my knees couldn't handle the impact anymore.
I've owned wheels that range from the hottest new "revolutionary" formula to the cheapest house brand I could get my hands on.
Never flat-spotted a wheel. Not once in 35 years. And not 35 years of just cruising, I'm not mind-blowing by any stretch but I can hold my own in a heavy session.
What the fuck are y'all doing that this is such a huge, common issue?
Are there secret contests I've never heard about where y'all get together to see who can barge the gnarliest powerslide across 50 grit sandpaper?
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I've been skating off and on for 35 years.
Went through a gnar phase chucking myself off the tallest shit I could find, and later in life switched to tech skating when my knees couldn't handle the impact anymore.
I've owned wheels that range from the hottest new "revolutionary" formula to the cheapest house brand I could get my hands on.
Never flat-spotted a wheel. Not once in 35 years. And not 35 years of just cruising, I'm not mind-blowing by any stretch but I can hold my own in a heavy session.
What the fuck are y'all doing that this is such a huge, common issue?
Are there secret contests I've never heard about where y'all get together to see who can barge the gnarliest powerslide across 50 grit sandpaper?
You have impeccable technique, only skate perfect ground, have low standards for "holding your own in a heavy session", or have had good luck for 35 years.
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I've been skating off and on for 35 years.
Went through a gnar phase chucking myself off the tallest shit I could find, and later in life switched to tech skating when my knees couldn't handle the impact anymore.
I've owned wheels that range from the hottest new "revolutionary" formula to the cheapest house brand I could get my hands on.
Never flat-spotted a wheel. Not once in 35 years. And not 35 years of just cruising, I'm not mind-blowing by any stretch but I can hold my own in a heavy session.
What the fuck are y'all doing that this is such a huge, common issue?
Are there secret contests I've never heard about where y'all get together to see who can barge the gnarliest powerslide across 50 grit sandpaper?
I'm gonna go with "All of the above"
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It's such a well-made commercial that people think it isn't one.
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so yeah, paid advertisement and im not interested in bones, powell, or andy anderson.
but i am interested in what those wheels are claiming. im going to portugal soon and i read that you have to skate longer distances between spots on mosaics/cobblestone. instead of switching out soft cruisers and spitfire classics like I have when I know I'll be out all day, what are some other wheels to recommend for an easy ride on crusty surfaces that still have a decent control for normal street skating. I had a set of OJs that I kind of liked and I could still skate in, but when doing shit like backside 180 tricks, I felt I got caught on the last part of the rotation.
While we’re on this subject what would euro pals recommend for Paris, going in October and then moving there permanently in the new year. I know it’s kinda old and rough but also more modern road and sidewalk wise depending where you are. Should I get cruiser board or just invest in an e bike ? I grew up in older southern cities so I’m used to shitty ground but I’m assuming this is next level crust
oh man. overall Paris has smoother sidewalks than every city I've ever been to... Better rolling ground than LA, NYC, London, you name it! The streets themselves are a little rougher though. But IMO it's THE best city to roll around and cruise. so fuck a bike. Paris grey/blue bitumen is maybe the number 1 thing I miss since I've moved.
anyways considering feedback is 90% positive in the gear thread, as Cucktard said, and it's the same in the youtube comments, I'm gonna try these real soon. I live in Brussels now, the ground is rough here and I spend at least half of my skating time cruising, so these Dragons sound very interesting indeed...
Edit:
AllezJambon I've been seeing your user name for years but for some reason I only just understood now what it litterally translates to back in english haha....
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So people are stoked they powerslide for things like 360's on flat? Im confused
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So people are stoked they powerslide for things like 360's on flat? Im confused
Nose & tail slides, speed checks, and a bit of slide really helps transition stuff. Just more control.
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Who cares about this new formula, why is nobody talking about T-Bones II?
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Man rog seems kinda methy or he’s a 40 year old that dresses like a 20 year old hipster and don’t know how to chew gum.
This shit was cringey as fuck. Too much && seems like weirdos trying sell you on coming to church with them like the random “oh my they are so great ::weird forced laugh::” random guy that board slid so the wheels are not even sliding. Roof can fuck up those curbs and he had done some lengthy feebles but krooks seemed short. Idk. Too much drink the kool aid vibes. Seems like I need wait for 95-97a
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I've been skating off and on for 35 years.
Went through a gnar phase chucking myself off the tallest shit I could find, and later in life switched to tech skating when my knees couldn't handle the impact anymore.
I've owned wheels that range from the hottest new "revolutionary" formula to the cheapest house brand I could get my hands on.
Never flat-spotted a wheel. Not once in 35 years. And not 35 years of just cruising, I'm not mind-blowing by any stretch but I can hold my own in a heavy session.
What the fuck are y'all doing that this is such a huge, common issue?
Are there secret contests I've never heard about where y'all get together to see who can barge the gnarliest powerslide across 50 grit sandpaper?
Flatspots were super common in the early 90s (when wheels were tiny) and also early 2000s (when the EPA tightened up regulations on how urethane was poured). Under rotate a backside 180, hold that blunt slide a little long, hit a pebble in the bowl... good chance of a flatspot. Still happens these days even with SPF/ STF and F4s from time to time. I don't know many skaters worth their salt who have never flat-spotted a wheel.
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I've been skating off and on for 35 years.
Went through a gnar phase chucking myself off the tallest shit I could find, and later in life switched to tech skating when my knees couldn't handle the impact anymore.
I've owned wheels that range from the hottest new "revolutionary" formula to the cheapest house brand I could get my hands on.
Never flat-spotted a wheel. Not once in 35 years. And not 35 years of just cruising, I'm not mind-blowing by any stretch but I can hold my own in a heavy session.
What the fuck are y'all doing that this is such a huge, common issue?
Are there secret contests I've never heard about where y'all get together to see who can barge the gnarliest powerslide across 50 grit sandpaper?
Flatspots were super common in the early 90s (when wheels were tiny) and also early 2000s (when the EPA tightened up regulations on how urethane was poured). Under rotate a backside 180, hold that blunt slide a little long, hit a pebble in the bowl... good chance of a flatspot. Still happens these days even with SPF/ STF and F4s from time to time. I don't know many skaters worth their salt who have never flat-spotted a wheel.
I guess some people are just lucky. I think even in the 2010s (right up to formula 4s) wheels could get Flintstone'd pretty easy. I had a set of Chima f1s that I completely fucked one wheel literally first trick that was probably 2011ish
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Flintstone is was a way better term than flatspot. Thanks for the laugh @Mean salto
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those super plastic cored rictas in the early 2000's too. my friends literally became triangles (he did love a power slide back then though.) was enough to put me off ever buying them.
are ricta's any better nowadays?
not going to change up tho, these 99 f4's give me everything i need from a wheel.
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The only wheels I ever had flat spot were some shitty blank green shop wheels and it was cause i did a huge powerslide on rough ground down a massively steep hill in Japan. they were probably really soft too. I remember Darkstar were notorious for flatspot. I had shitty flip wheels before that might have flat spotted too actually. once i started getting Bones wheels I never had flat spots, and so far my OJs are holding up fine too.
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So people are stoked they powerslide for things like 360's on flat? Im confused
i would say you have LESS control unless the ramp is really sticky. Once I switched from STF over to these 95a OJs, i was way more confident on transition because I wasnt sliding all over the place. I felt like I had to place rock 180 so perfect otherwise i would slip out. I still get tons of slip with these but it actaully just helps slow me down the tiniest bit too so i dont die. I have only skated concrete, fiarly slippery quarters so far though, have not skated any wood with these wheels yet i dont think.
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Flatspots were super common in the early 90s (when wheels were tiny) and also early 2000s (when the EPA tightened up regulations on how urethane was poured). Under rotate a backside 180, hold that blunt slide a little long, hit a pebble in the bowl... good chance of a flatspot. Still happens these days even with SPF/ STF and F4s from time to time. I don't know many skaters worth their salt who have never flat-spotted a wheel.
Beats me, I guess I have just been lucky. I definitely have a tendency to skrrrt a few tricks here and there.
Great, now I'm gonna flat spot a wheel tomorrow I just know it...
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How many times does Roger say "fuckin'" or "fuck" in that review video?? It needs that counter meter in the corner like South Park did for how many times they said "shit".
That’s cuz he’s from the north east. We say fuckin or frickin before everything and end with kid.
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Finally watched this review. How the fuck is this guy claiming to skate a curb for 8 hours and then constantly crying about how busy he is?
Wants to do it more?
What’s more important than the sand gaps and curbs doe?
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I watched a few YouTuber videos on these.
The issue here is the sound like Corduroy pant legs rubbing together when they slide.
That and size. I know it’s easier to roll but bones needs to understand I be skateboarding bricks almost Exclusively because I’m a certified G.
Also I be bombing hills with 60 mm cracks and shit.
Fucking spit understands this. Bones thinks only free riders and very people want bigger than 56mm wheels.
If bones dropped a 60mm USA made wheel I’d never stop riding them.
Also they gotta make all black outfits illegal on Powell. That team is supposed to rock powder blue and salmon board shorts.
Also is thrasher beefing with Powell team. Seems to me the Powell guys hate thrasher and thrasher won’t run them since like 2012-13.
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I've been skating off and on for 35 years.
Went through a gnar phase chucking myself off the tallest shit I could find, and later in life switched to tech skating when my knees couldn't handle the impact anymore.
I've owned wheels that range from the hottest new "revolutionary" formula to the cheapest house brand I could get my hands on.
Never flat-spotted a wheel. Not once in 35 years. And not 35 years of just cruising, I'm not mind-blowing by any stretch but I can hold my own in a heavy session.
What the fuck are y'all doing that this is such a huge, common issue?
Are there secret contests I've never heard about where y'all get together to see who can barge the gnarliest powerslide across 50 grit sandpaper?
For real, once I bought some formula-4s and them shits flat spotted when trying to avoid some scooter kids...I think only other time my shit flat spots is when I slide to long on a hillbomb speed check...also shitty asphalt
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If it ain't broke don't Powell it.
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For those who don't want to read the wheels thread here is a summary:
-One poster that made an account <6 months ago who predominantly posts about wheels and seems to find negatives with every single wheel is responsible for 90% of the posts about them. Wouldn't be shocked if they were active on SkateOne.
-This poster constantly posts vague claims about their slides and grinds but recently admitted they haven't really grinded much on them.
-They are smoother and faster than harder wheels and yes, they can slide. It's a different slide- it makes a whizzing noise and feels "slick" and then catches as opposed to an F4 where you push through the slide and it has a linear response. You might like or hate it.
-On waxed objects they can grind and slide almost as well, but not quite. When they slow down they really slow down.
-They sound gummy. You may or may not care.
-They're slower on smooth ground especially at parks. They need more wax on angle iron style coping.
-There hasn't been a single objective review. I've attempted to compare them back to back, but even that is inconclusive. All YouTube reviews have some bias.
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For those who don't want to read the wheels thread here is a summary:
-One poster that made an account <6 months ago who predominantly posts about wheels and seems to find negatives with every single wheel is responsible for 90% of the posts about them. Wouldn't be shocked if they were active on SkateOne.
-This poster constantly posts vague claims about their slides and grinds but recently admitted they haven't really grinded much on them.
-They are smoother and faster than harder wheels and yes, they can slide. It's a different slide- it makes a whizzing noise and feels "slick" and then catches as opposed to an F4 where you push through the slide and it has a linear response. You might like or hate it.
-On waxed objects they can grind and slide almost as well, but not quite. When they slow down they really slow down.
-They sound gummy. You may or may not care.
-They're slower on smooth ground especially at parks. They need more wax on angle iron style coping.
-There hasn't been a single objective review. I've attempted to compare them back to back, but even that is inconclusive. All YouTube reviews have some bias.
I find your obsession with these wheels baffling. Some people here like them and prefer how they skate to the alternatives, yet you have been on a quest to disprove our admittedly completely subjective opinions about it. Can you not accept that there might exist preferences different from your own?
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I feel a bit like a boiled frog with the way my wheels have steadily gotten harder and harder over the last 15 or so years. Now I ride F4 99a, and I like them, but they're bad for my tinnitus, and if the ground isn't perfect, they stress me the fuck out. I could never go back to wheels that flatspot, but I welcome a softer wheel that will still allow tailslides. I will try the 90a and 93a joints.
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For those who don't want to read the wheels thread here is a summary:
-One poster that made an account <6 months ago who predominantly posts about wheels and seems to find negatives with every single wheel is responsible for 90% of the posts about them. Wouldn't be shocked if they were active on SkateOne.
-This poster constantly posts vague claims about their slides and grinds but recently admitted they haven't really grinded much on them.
-They are smoother and faster than harder wheels and yes, they can slide. It's a different slide- it makes a whizzing noise and feels "slick" and then catches as opposed to an F4 where you push through the slide and it has a linear response. You might like or hate it.
-On waxed objects they can grind and slide almost as well, but not quite. When they slow down they really slow down.
-They sound gummy. You may or may not care.
-They're slower on smooth ground especially at parks. They need more wax on angle iron style coping.
-There hasn't been a single objective review. I've attempted to compare them back to back, but even that is inconclusive. All YouTube reviews have some bias.
I find your obsession with these wheels baffling. Some people here like them and prefer how they skate to the alternatives, yet you have been on a quest to disprove our admittedly completely subjective opinions about it. Can you not accept that there might exist preferences different from your own?
That's why I said things like "you may or may not"...
Frankly how is it any different from one poster's quest to spam the product that they haven't tested. I totally get the appeal of these wheels. If I skated mostly bad ground with well waxed concrete they would be dope. If I commuted on a board they would be dope. I've said as much. What I hate is when someone that hasn't really even tested them is constantly making claims that they haven't tested and trying to drown out those that have spent a lot of time on them and haven't had the same conclusions.
Same thing with Royals. I was skeptical at first, tried them and liked them, but didn't love them. I've said many positive things about them after trying them and I can see cases where I'd prefer them, but I don't. It's not just me in the wheels thread that has come to some of the same conclusions.
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For those who don't want to read the wheels thread here is a summary:
-One poster that made an account <6 months ago who predominantly posts about wheels and seems to find negatives with every single wheel is responsible for 90% of the posts about them. Wouldn't be shocked if they were active on SkateOne.
-This poster constantly posts vague claims about their slides and grinds but recently admitted they haven't really grinded much on them.
-They are smoother and faster than harder wheels and yes, they can slide. It's a different slide- it makes a whizzing noise and feels "slick" and then catches as opposed to an F4 where you push through the slide and it has a linear response. You might like or hate it.
-On waxed objects they can grind and slide almost as well, but not quite. When they slow down they really slow down.
-They sound gummy. You may or may not care.
-They're slower on smooth ground especially at parks. They need more wax on angle iron style coping.
-There hasn't been a single objective review. I've attempted to compare them back to back, but even that is inconclusive. All YouTube reviews have some bias.
I find your obsession with these wheels baffling. Some people here like them and prefer how they skate to the alternatives, yet you have been on a quest to disprove our admittedly completely subjective opinions about it. Can you not accept that there might exist preferences different from your own?
That's why I said things like "you may or may not"...
Frankly how is it any different from one poster's quest to spam the product that they haven't tested. I totally get the appeal of these wheels. If I skated mostly bad ground with well waxed concrete they would be dope. If I commuted on a board they would be dope. I've said as much. What I hate is when someone that hasn't really even tested them is constantly making claims that they haven't tested and trying to drown out those that have spent a lot of time on them and haven't had the same conclusions.
Same thing with Royals. I was skeptical at first, tried them and liked them, but didn't love them. I've said many positive things about them after trying them and I can see cases where I'd prefer them, but I don't. It's not just me in the wheels thread that has come to some of the same conclusions.
This is completely different than your tenor and tone most of the time. You literally called me a “broken human being” because I said I skated the wheels for a whole session and I felt less fatigue than I had skating harder wheels.
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Sorry you took offense to that. I coulda been more diplomatic, but my general opinion is that many adults lack a decent physical base, which degrades as well get older and do desk work. Even people in decent cardiovascular shape can have strength deficiencies and vice versa which often get worse as we get older. I don't think a reduction in vibrations or slight reduction in pushes would really effect most people and it's probably a placebo unless the ground is rough.
In my own testing of these wheels I sometimes push less on rough ground, but if the ledge isn't perfectly waxed I don't grind as far. So then I push another time to compensate or have to push the grind harder and it all evens out.
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Sorry you took offense to that. I coulda been more diplomatic, but my general opinion is that many adults lack a decent physical base, which degrades as well get older and do desk work. Even people in decent cardiovascular shape can have strength deficiencies and vice versa which often get worse as we get older. I don't think a reduction in vibrations or slight reduction in pushes would really effect most people and it's probably a placebo unless the ground is rough.
In my own testing of these wheels I sometimes push less on rough ground, but if the ledge isn't perfectly waxed I don't grind as far. So then I push another time to compensate or have to push the grind harder and it all evens out.
damn this bums me out, im almost exclusively a ledge skater and just picked these up online on a whim over f4's
i guess im out $50
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Sorry you took offense to that. I coulda been more diplomatic, but my general opinion is that many adults lack a decent physical base, which degrades as well get older and do desk work. Even people in decent cardiovascular shape can have strength deficiencies and vice versa which often get worse as we get older. I don't think a reduction in vibrations or slight reduction in pushes would really effect most people and it's probably a placebo unless the ground is rough.
I live in the Pacific Northwest, so of course the ground is rough, and I’ve been making my opinion clear that these wheels improve skating over such surfaces. With the Dragons, I can even roll down my sidewalk with its decades-old exposed aggregate concrete - something I couldn’t do with 97a Spitfires. There are trade offs but I find them to be worth it.
It has nothing to do with my fitness (which, without sounding like I’m bragging, is very high) and everything to do with skating particularly rough ground at 42 years old.
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Sorry you took offense to that. I coulda been more diplomatic, but my general opinion is that many adults lack a decent physical base, which degrades as well get older and do desk work. Even people in decent cardiovascular shape can have strength deficiencies and vice versa which often get worse as we get older. I don't think a reduction in vibrations or slight reduction in pushes would really effect most people and it's probably a placebo unless the ground is rough.
In my own testing of these wheels I sometimes push less on rough ground, but if the ledge isn't perfectly waxed I don't grind as far. So then I push another time to compensate or have to push the grind harder and it all evens out.
damn this bums me out, im almost exclusively a ledge skater and just picked these up online on a whim over f4's
i guess im out $50
I got a little bit of drag early on doing crooked grinds, but eventually adjusted my technique slightly and approached a little faster and with more finesse. That said, they slid fine on the non-skatepark surfaces where I took them. Give them a shot before you decide you wasted $50.
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I see you, and appreciate you.
Well played.
Thank you for your service to the bloards.
Yeah, can’t unsee the Viv Fortuna thing, that’s wildly on point haha
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Sorry you took offense to that. I coulda been more diplomatic, but my general opinion is that many adults lack a decent physical base, which degrades as well get older and do desk work. Even people in decent cardiovascular shape can have strength deficiencies and vice versa which often get worse as we get older. I don't think a reduction in vibrations or slight reduction in pushes would really effect most people and it's probably a placebo unless the ground is rough.
In my own testing of these wheels I sometimes push less on rough ground, but if the ledge isn't perfectly waxed I don't grind as far. So then I push another time to compensate or have to push the grind harder and it all evens out.
damn this bums me out, im almost exclusively a ledge skater and just picked these up online on a whim over f4's
i guess im out $50
The issue I and a few others have found is mostly when the ledge doesn't have even wax or isn't smooth. When I rode them at my slappy spot this morning there are some spots where the wax isn't as good near the end. These grab more when that transition happens and at the very end of a slide. You can for sure adjust. It all depends on if you want to. I skate a lot of crusty asphalt and my driveway with my quarterpipe is exposed aggregate and I don't find the difference big enough to want to. Definitely test and decide for yourself.
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Sorry you took offense to that. I coulda been more diplomatic, but my general opinion is that many adults lack a decent physical base, which degrades as well get older and do desk work. Even people in decent cardiovascular shape can have strength deficiencies and vice versa which often get worse as we get older. I don't think a reduction in vibrations or slight reduction in pushes would really effect most people and it's probably a placebo unless the ground is rough.
In my own testing of these wheels I sometimes push less on rough ground, but if the ledge isn't perfectly waxed I don't grind as far. So then I push another time to compensate or have to push the grind harder and it all evens out.
damn this bums me out, im almost exclusively a ledge skater and just picked these up online on a whim over f4's
i guess im out $50
Same. Depends on what kind of ledges you skate. If its all waxed concrete ledges they'll be great. If the coping is metal, or you like doing blunts/lips on top of certain wood surfaces, or if you skate a lot of granite ledges, you'll have to learn to push certain tricks, grind less, or just get used to waxing it a lot more. Better than probably every other soft wheel, but very noticeable difference from f4s.
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Here’s the closest thing to a real review of wheel slide (back to back with other wheels) by someone who does a bunch of tricks, including slides and grinds.
He’s sponsored by Skate One, but you can see the slide for yourself. He says the 93a are a bit stickier on krooks, but that 95a are fine.
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
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Here’s the closest thing to a real review of wheel slide (back to back with other wheels) by someone who does a bunch of tricks, including slides and grinds.
He’s sponsored by Skate One, but you can see the slide for yourself. He says the 93a are a bit stickier on krooks, but that 95a are fine.
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
Keep in mind that every obstacle at an LA park is probably waxed to the nines, and that this guy is also stupidly good at skating
Obstacles that you may come across out in the streets and on less perfect terrain probably won't be as slick and perfect
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So it’s a sector 9 wheel?
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He says the 93a are a bit stickier on krooks, but that 95a are fine.
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
So, basically, these wheels are pretty much a remake of powell’s “B52 urethane” from back in 1990, just with a different wheel and urethane formula name.. at least that’s what it sounds like from the description of said wheels..
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Dragon these nuts
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Ive always said that wheels should have abilities like dicks, namely changing size and hardness depending on what you need at any given moment.
Let me know when someone comes up with Cock™ formula
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He says the 93a are a bit stickier on krooks, but that 95a are fine.
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
So, basically, these wheels are pretty much a remake of powell’s “B52 urethane” from back in 1990, just with a different wheel and urethane formula name.. at least that’s what it sounds like from the description of said wheels..
From what I understand (which isn’t actually anything, just speculation) I thought they were an update to ditchtech, which had a cult following
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He says the 93a are a bit stickier on krooks, but that 95a are fine.
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
So, basically, these wheels are pretty much a remake of powell’s “B52 urethane” from back in 1990, just with a different wheel and urethane formula name.. at least that’s what it sounds like from the description of said wheels..
From what I understand (which isn’t actually anything, just speculation) I thought they were an update to ditchtech, which had a cult following
I had two sets of Ditch Tech about a decade ago. First was soft but not ridiculously so, second was straight up “boingy” and sucked for anything besides cruising.
Powell describes Dragon formula as “high rebound” so maybe they’re similar.
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No way I'm giving that video a view.
I bought the pre-production wheels, 12 sets for $100 with same-day shipping. Gave a lot away to the locals. The ground around town and at the park is really rough and weathered, and these roll easily over it with a lot fewer pushes than Spits f4 97's. These "Dragons" (ugh) also last surprisingly long for such a soft wheel.
They do stick a bit more on tailslides, crooked grinds, and lipslides. It's worth adjusting to if you live in the snow belt. If I still lived in Cali with smoother concrete, I'd be riding 99a F4's, but for rural Ohio these are perfect. They powerslide easier on rougher ground than smooth stuff.
The name is stupid and the marketing is terrible, but they work for their intended purpose.
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I bought the pre-production wheels, 12 sets for $100 with same-day shipping.
Jesus, how do I cop?
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No way I'm giving that video a view.
I bought the pre-production wheels, 12 sets for $100 with same-day shipping. Gave a lot away to the locals. The ground around town and at the park is really rough and weathered, and these roll easily over it with a lot fewer pushes than Spits f4 97's. These "Dragons" (ugh) also last surprisingly long for such a soft wheel.
They do stick a bit more on tailslides, crooked grinds, and lipslides. It's worth adjusting to if you live in the snow belt. If I still lived in Cali with smoother concrete, I'd be riding 99a F4's, but for rural Ohio these are perfect. They powerslide easier on rougher ground than smooth stuff.
The name is stupid and the marketing is terrible, but they work for their intended purpose.
I’ve been trying to make this point for several days, inshallah anyone listens to you.
Everyone’s gotta air their ancient year old real or imaginary beefs with Powell, 9 Club, YouTube, etc.
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That Zach dude power slid and the screeching noise is an immediate no for me. I know I sound stubborn but is it worth skating longer if I'm just not psyched on the sensory experience while I'm doing it?
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buyer beware: just came in the mail for me today, they have a spitfire classic shape
i am utterly bummed out, even more than i was after reading the reviews on this thread. every online review showed the experimental wheel being shaped something like a conical full/more square
fuck my life
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No way I'm giving that video a view.
I bought the pre-production wheels, 12 sets for $100 with same-day shipping. Gave a lot away to the locals. The ground around town and at the park is really rough and weathered, and these roll easily over it with a lot fewer pushes than Spits f4 97's. These "Dragons" (ugh) also last surprisingly long for such a soft wheel.
They do stick a bit more on tailslides, crooked grinds, and lipslides. It's worth adjusting to if you live in the snow belt. If I still lived in Cali with smoother concrete, I'd be riding 99a F4's, but for rural Ohio these are perfect. They powerslide easier on rougher ground than smooth stuff.
The name is stupid and the marketing is terrible, but they work for their intended purpose.
Puff sold me on the wheels, and they definitely work as she said. I bought one pair of the pre-production and they sent me two sets, a 93a and a 90a. I've only ridden the 93a so far but they feel great.
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buyer beware: just came in the mail for me today, they have a spitfire classic shape
i am utterly bummed out, even more than i was after reading the reviews on this thread. every online review showed the experimental wheel being shaped something like a conical full/more square
fuck my life
There's multiple shapes as is to be expected from a wheel company launching a new formula... from a cursory glance at skate warehouse it seems the 52 are v1, the 54 are v4, and the 56 are v6 which is the bones version of conical full. I don't mean to come off like a dick but this seems less "buyer beware" and more "buyer was misinformed".
My honest advice would be post them in classified and see if someone who has the 56 want to trade. Or just try them with an open mind, you might like em. I'm a conical guy but I have a set of v4 easy streets and was surprised by how much I liked them.
I just broke my "no new gear" vow and ordered a set of the 54mm. I tried the 92/95 hybrid which were apparently an ancestor of this formula so I'm curious how these will feel. Might do a Bagley board and set em up on mag lights.
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buyer beware: just came in the mail for me today, they have a spitfire classic shape
i am utterly bummed out, even more than i was after reading the reviews on this thread. every online review showed the experimental wheel being shaped something like a conical full/more square
fuck my life
There's multiple shapes as is to be expected from a wheel company launching a new formula... from a cursory glance at skate warehouse it seems the 52 are v1, the 54 are v4, and the 56 are v6 which is the bones version of conical full. I don't mean to come off like a dick but this seems less "buyer beware" and more "buyer was misinformed".
My honest advice would be post them in classified and see if someone who has the 56 want to trade. Or just try them with an open mind, you might like em. I'm a conical guy but I have a set of v4 easy streets and was surprised by how much I liked them.
I just broke my "no new gear" vow and ordered a set of the 54mm. I tried the 92/95 hybrid which were apparently an ancestor of this formula so I'm curious how these will feel. Might do a Bagley board and set em up on mag lights.
i get you, but powell peralta doesnt really have the greatest information on their website. here is powell peralta's official link to buy them.
https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-green-dragon-skateboard-wheels-54mm-x-34mm-93a-4pk
the official website i linked has nowhere mentioned the v1/v4/v6 naming scheme that you mentioned. that's pretty ass of the damn official website not to have basic info like that. when i was buying them, i assumed that because the official website didn't have that info, that type of naming scheme even existed
54's are my size and 34 mm was the widest they had, so i thought it was good enough given all the reviews online were on the 52 mm and they looked like conical fulls and the official website i linked said that the 52s were 31 mm wide
i accept that i could have done more research, but i said buyer beware bc powell peralta didnt do a good job of informing the customers on their wheel shapes. either way idgaf, its all semantics, i just want one person not to make the same mistake as me and waste $50. but who knows, like you said, i might like it
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buyer beware: just came in the mail for me today, they have a spitfire classic shape
i am utterly bummed out, even more than i was after reading the reviews on this thread. every online review showed the experimental wheel being shaped something like a conical full/more square
fuck my life
There's multiple shapes as is to be expected from a wheel company launching a new formula... from a cursory glance at skate warehouse it seems the 52 are v1, the 54 are v4, and the 56 are v6 which is the bones version of conical full. I don't mean to come off like a dick but this seems less "buyer beware" and more "buyer was misinformed".
My honest advice would be post them in classified and see if someone who has the 56 want to trade. Or just try them with an open mind, you might like em. I'm a conical guy but I have a set of v4 easy streets and was surprised by how much I liked them.
I just broke my "no new gear" vow and ordered a set of the 54mm. I tried the 92/95 hybrid which were apparently an ancestor of this formula so I'm curious how these will feel. Might do a Bagley board and set em up on mag lights.
i get you, but powell peralta doesnt really have the greatest information on their website. here is powell peralta's official link to buy them.
https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-green-dragon-skateboard-wheels-54mm-x-34mm-93a-4pk
the official website i linked has nowhere mentioned the v1/v4/v6 naming scheme that you mentioned. that's pretty ass of the damn official website not to have basic info like that. when i was buying them, i assumed that because the official website didn't have that info, that type of naming scheme even existed
54's are my size and 34 mm was the widest they had, so i thought it was good enough given all the reviews online were on the 52 mm and they looked like conical fulls and the official website i linked said that the 52s were 31 mm wide
i accept that i could have done more research, but i said buyer beware bc powell peralta didnt do a good job of informing the customers on their wheel shapes. either way idgaf, its all semantics, i just want one person not to make the same mistake as me and waste $50. but who knows, like you said, i might like it
I have some barely skated 56s in some fat shape if you’re interested in trading.
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Is he eating or chewing gum? Really fucking with my head watching that
booger
Lol! Rog def eats his boogers. Wasn’t there a 9 club where he did that? Or was it a pimple?
ohh, pimple. my bad. i mixed this fool with ted cruz for sum reason
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Picked up some 52mm dragons and they're buttery smooth and slide just fine. I wen't back and forth between these and 99a F4s. The F4s slid a little better but the dragons were superior in every other way.
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No way I'm giving that video a view.
I bought the pre-production wheels, 12 sets for $100 with same-day shipping. Gave a lot away to the locals. The ground around town and at the park is really rough and weathered, and these roll easily over it with a lot fewer pushes than Spits f4 97's. These "Dragons" (ugh) also last surprisingly long for such a soft wheel.
They do stick a bit more on tailslides, crooked grinds, and lipslides. It's worth adjusting to if you live in the snow belt. If I still lived in Cali with smoother concrete, I'd be riding 99a F4's, but for rural Ohio these are perfect. They powerslide easier on rougher ground than smooth stuff.
The name is stupid and the marketing is terrible, but they work for their intended purpose.
I’ve been trying to make this point for several days, inshallah anyone listens to you.
Everyone’s gotta air their ancient year old real or imaginary beefs with Powell, 9 Club, YouTube, etc.
I've said the same thing in different wording and you often get upset about it. They're really good on rough ground and if you're not trying to slide far on ledges/coping that's not highly and evenly waxed.
I could care less about the Nein Club video. Roger comes off as a total weirdo, but the wheels are still the same and it might give them a bump in sales but in the long run will get a lot of people not to buy em too.
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So these are pretty okay wheels and some people might like them or not like them?
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Anyone hillbombed with these yet?
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I’ve flat spotted mad wheels over my 39 years.
Sounds like you on bricks forever and ever.
Nbs and 4 wheel slides is the culprit
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Do they stick on Tre flips?
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Picked up some 52mm dragons and they're buttery smooth and slide just fine. I wen't back and forth between these and 99a F4s. The F4s slid a little better but the dragons were superior in every other way.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52277664071_d30ea49da0_c.jpg)
I’ll wait for spitfires version. I refuse to chase the dragon.
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Anyone hillbombed with these yet?
Yea https://fb.watch/eQWX2wGFpf/
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Anyone hillbombed with these yet?
Yea https://fb.watch/eQWX2wGFpf/
0:43 damn son...any STF/F4 (or OJ, Ricta, Snot, Loophole, whatever the fuck) would most likely have been shredded/flatted or pitched his ass.
I'm still holding out for the 95/97s, a bit less smooth perhaps (yes we've all read your 23471362784 posts on them my dude, you like the 93s) but less drag on certain tricks (in comparison).
Fuck, I'll even set them up with maglites, quantums, and a flight deck just to spite everyone :P
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I got offered to try a set the other day and here are my thoughts. Never really rode soft wheels besides on filmer boards and coming from F4 99a.
-they roll smooth as hell and are fast as fuck. It was easier to skate the bowl on the 52mm set I had over my 56mm F4.
-they slide better then they should for how soft they feel but its nothing amazing. If you like doing stalls/slowed down grinds you'll probably like these. If you wanna hit the coping going fast as hell and lock in to a gnarly back smith across the bowl, probably not.
-flatground is fun with these. Theres like alittle rebound when you pop that feels good.
I will probably never buy these wheels but I can see where they would come in handy. These wheels would be perfect for skating crusty spots, indoor parks/metal ramps,backyard pools, or on a commuter board.
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Damn 9 Club is doing some super obvious sponsored advertising and SLAP rewards them with a 7 pages deep thread.
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https://youtu.be/hxL1psW9hDI
Dragon D babyy
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Damn 9 Club is doing some super obvious sponsored advertising and SLAP rewards them with a 7 pages deep thread.
If George Powell made a new formula we have all been wanting, then 7 page deep thread is warranted. I mean this is something no one has really made before.. Ive tried so many soft wheels, but those boards end up being cruisers because doing any kind of trick or slide on them feels awful.
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Damn 9 Club is doing some super obvious sponsored advertising and SLAP rewards them with a 7 pages deep thread.
If George Powell made a new formula we have all been wanting, then 7 page deep thread is warranted. I mean this is something no one has really made before.. Ive tried so many soft wheels, but those boards end up being cruisers because doing any kind of trick or slide on them feels awful.
People on slap just want to find any little thing they can criticize about the 9 Club. It’s honestly really annoying having most of our threads completely derailed after someone brings them up.
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I've been skating the 93a 54mm for a few days now coming from formula 4's. They really will roll over anything. Bricks, crust, cobblestone, nothing will faze you. They've already unlocked several spots for me, including one ledge spot which is perpetually littered with pea gravel and which you always needed a broom to be able to skate before. These just roll right over it. And on the ledges I have not noticed any stickiness. Angle iron ledges and smooth skatepark concrete was no problem either. They are really fast down hills, powerslides feel good, and just skating around generally I'd guess I have to push about half as much as on the f4's.
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In my opinion, both things can be true: the nine club guys are pretty much kooks and industry shills now, but the wheels are also good. I would recommend anyone who is curious, give them a shot and try it for yourself.
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My update... I skated them and made sure to slide them anywhere and everywhere, yes even power slides. They work great and are extremely fast on skatelite and concrete.
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Damn 9 Club is doing some super obvious sponsored advertising and SLAP rewards them with a 7 pages deep thread.
If George Powell made a new formula we have all been wanting, then 7 page deep thread is warranted. I mean this is something no one has really made before.. Ive tried so many soft wheels, but those boards end up being cruisers because doing any kind of trick or slide on them feels awful.
People on slap just want to find any little thing they can criticize about the 9 Club ANYTHING. It’s honestly really annoying having most of our threads completely derailed [because someone has a differing opinion].
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FB (gross) but no issues here with grinds and slides...also Team Maglight
https://fb.watch/eRnUgEsd9E/
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Damn 9 Club is doing some super obvious sponsored advertising and SLAP rewards them with a 7 pages deep thread.
If George Powell made a new formula we have all been wanting, then 7 page deep thread is warranted. I mean this is something no one has really made before.. Ive tried so many soft wheels, but those boards end up being cruisers because doing any kind of trick or slide on them feels awful.
People on slap just want to find any little thing they can criticize about the 9 Club ANYTHING. It’s honestly really annoying having most of our threads completely derailed [because someone has a differing opinion].
(https://i.imgflip.com/6ppst9.jpg)
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My real questions is do they sound like soft wheels? I can't stand that quietness that comes with soft wheels.
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My real questions is do they sound like soft wheels? I can't stand that quietness that comes with soft wheels.
From what I've seen/heard, yes they do sound like soft wheels. quiet
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My real questions is do they sound like soft wheels? I can't stand that quietness that comes with soft wheels.
From what I've seen/heard, yes they do sound like soft wheels. quiet
They definitely don't bark like F4's. They aren't totally silent but the noise is different.
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I've been skating the 93a 54mm for a few days now coming from formula 4's. They really will roll over anything. Bricks, crust, cobblestone, nothing will faze you. They've already unlocked several spots for me, including one ledge spot which is perpetually littered with pea gravel and which you always needed a broom to be able to skate before. These just roll right over it. And on the ledges I have not noticed any stickiness. Angle iron ledges and smooth skatepark concrete was no problem either. They are really fast down hills, powerslides feel good, and just skating around generally I'd guess I have to push about half as much as on the f4's.
thanks pal.
I’ve definitely made up my mind. I’m going to try.
I’m thinking I should hit up Powell like a human boy and ask for a set in 58mm.
People think these roll over everything I say skate my spots. You’re going to want to be over 56mm for sure.
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My real questions is do they sound like soft wheels? I can't stand that quietness that comes with soft wheels.
From what I've seen/heard, yes they do sound like soft wheels. quiet
They definitely don't bark like F4's. They aren't totally silent but the noise is different.
I find that there's no bark on skatepark cement, but there's a nice sound and feeling on rougher asphalt. But these really are not skatepark wheels - they'll work fine there, but using them this way is missing the point.
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I’m case any of you bozos haven’t copped yet, I did. What I learned so far:
1) How to 900 (better than before)
2) Popping my board up to catch it by the trucks before I walk into my local milk shake spot is WAY easier
3) Nollie front smiths are BUTTER
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I've been skating the 93a 54mm for a few days now coming from formula 4's. They really will roll over anything. Bricks, crust, cobblestone, nothing will faze you. They've already unlocked several spots for me, including one ledge spot which is perpetually littered with pea gravel and which you always needed a broom to be able to skate before. These just roll right over it. And on the ledges I have not noticed any stickiness. Angle iron ledges and smooth skatepark concrete was no problem either. They are really fast down hills, powerslides feel good, and just skating around generally I'd guess I have to push about half as much as on the f4's.
thanks pal.
I’ve definitely made up my mind. I’m going to try.
I’m thinking I should hit up Powell like a human boy and ask for a set in 58mm.
People think these roll over everything I say skate my spots. You’re going to want to be over 56mm for sure.
lol
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My real questions is do they sound like soft wheels? I can't stand that quietness that comes with soft wheels.
I'm with you. Seem like they would be perfect for a cruiser set up.
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These things saved my fucking life in the bowl last night. Somehow there was a fatass pebble in the bottom of the deepend and I rolled right over it. I woulda died on my spitty's. I will say my ankles, legs and spine have almost no fatigue now after a couple hours of skating. It really has changed how long I skate for and how I feel afterward. Skating the 52s. When you land off shit the impact feels greatly reduced as well.
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I’m case any of you bozos haven’t copped yet, I did. What I learned so far:
1) How to 900 (better than before)
2) Popping my board up to catch it by the trucks before I walk into my local milk shake spot is WAY easier
3) Nollie front smiths are BUTTER
Sounds like a must-cop situation. Will I also be able to ghettobird like French Joslin?
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If they are not better for powerslides than spitfire formula four I’m not interested.
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When’s the 101a version coming out?
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I actually just skated them and they’re weird. Probably not for someone like me with the pristine ground I have in my area but I could see them being a hit in more weathered areas.
They sound like fingernails on vinyl when you slide on smooth ground
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Not sure what to make of these. Couldn't do switch tres or Rick flip tailslides with these wheels.
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I’m case any of you bozos haven’t copped yet, I did. What I learned so far:
1) How to 900 (better than before)
2) Popping my board up to catch it by the trucks before I walk into my local milk shake spot is WAY easier
3) Nollie front smiths are BUTTER
Sounds like a must-cop situation. Will I also be able to ghettobird like French Joslin?
I don’t care what anyone says French Mini Joslin is doing front shuvs into all of those upgrades.
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https://youtu.be/Bfi5wkPcZsc here's my review. They are by far the best wheel I have ever skated. I am 44 in October and yes way easier on my feet. Krooked grinds feel amazing. I feel like they do got a little bark to em. It was way easier skating for longer period of time. These wheels are the truth.
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hill bomb test and that’s when we’ll come to a decision
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https://youtu.be/Bfi5wkPcZsc here's my review. They are by far the best wheel I have ever skated. I am 44 in October and yes way easier on my feet. Krooked grinds feel amazing. I feel like they do got a little bark to em. It was way easier skating for longer period of time. These wheels are the truth.
I feel like this is all true.
But looking at your clips I get a sense that there's some drag going on. Similar to what I've experienced. Obviously this is all just me guessing, as I don't know the curb, how you normally skate etc, but looks like those slappies would have gone a good amount further and maintained more momentum, but the wheels were kind of dragging on the top of the curb.
I feel like the sound is a good indicator. On both the fs 5050 slappy and the slappy crook, there are very brief moments where the sound goes quiet and there's no grind noise because the wheels drag a bit. Thats kind of what I've noticed with mine, and thats also when I feel the drag and notice some slowing down.
Obviously it still works, but doing the exact same thing with f4s I don't get that at all and it grinds wayyyyy quicker. If you're able to test them back to back with f4s it may give a clearer picture as to whats going on, because when I did that on my curbs, it was a very noticeable difference.
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i ordered some a couple of days ago and feel like a little kid again waiting for the newest skate video to show up at my door/at the skate shop. this is literally everything i need in a wheel from what i’ve been reading.
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https://youtu.be/Bfi5wkPcZsc here's my review. They are by far the best wheel I have ever skated. I am 44 in October and yes way easier on my feet. Krooked grinds feel amazing. I feel like they do got a little bark to em. It was way easier skating for longer period of time. These wheels are the truth.
I feel like this is all true.
But looking at your clips I get a sense that there's some drag going on. Similar to what I've experienced. Obviously this is all just me guessing, as I don't know the curb, how you normally skate etc, but looks like those slappies would have gone a good amount further and maintained more momentum, but the wheels were kind of dragging on the top of the curb.
I feel like the sound is a good indicator. On both the fs 5050 slappy and the slappy crook, there are very brief moments where the sound goes quiet and there's no grind noise because the wheels drag a bit. Thats kind of what I've noticed with mine, and thats also when I feel the drag and notice some slowing down.
Obviously it still works, but doing the exact same thing with f4s I don't get that at all and it grinds wayyyyy quicker. If you're able to test them back to back with f4s it may give a clearer picture as to whats going on, because when I did that on my curbs, it was a very noticeable difference.
Theres not much of a run up skating goofy so can't get much speed. I can't crook around this corner very good on f4s. Dragon Formula slide better than f4s. The 56 conicals make my 139 truck too narrow fit in top of the curb. I'll put them on the zip zinger. I'd like 56 in a classic radial shape or my trucks won't fit over the curb. That's what I need. But just grateful to get what's available. These dragons spit fire. They'll probably sell out so I'd get them before they're gone.
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Also the stuff you mention as drag, definitely don't mind the trade off for how they make my old feet feel. That's why I like the tennis courts cause the ground is soft. I just thought they'd be really sticky. They might not be for everyone. But for 40 year plus skaters they're gonna extend the session without a doubt. It makes skating funner. I always loved soft wheels. I didn't think it was possible to get them to slide.
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So these wheels are for tired old men who have bad feet and bad backs? I fit this demographic but this selling point is not very sexy.
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So these wheels are for tired old men who have bad feet and bad backs? I fit this demographic but this selling point is not very sexy.
just focus on the feet part and it is
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Also the stuff you mention as drag, definitely don't mind the trade off for how they make my old feet feel. That's why I like the tennis courts cause the ground is soft. I just thought they'd be really sticky. They might not be for everyone. But for 40 year plus skaters they're gonna extend the session without a doubt. It makes skating funner. I always loved soft wheels. I didn't think it was possible to get them to slide.
Shit, I think you’ve sold me on these! Anything to help my 45 year old body to skate a little more.
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https://youtu.be/Bfi5wkPcZsc here's my review. They are by far the best wheel I have ever skated. I am 44 in October and yes way easier on my feet. Krooked grinds feel amazing. I feel like they do got a little bark to em. It was way easier skating for longer period of time. These wheels are the truth.
I feel like this is all true.
But looking at your clips I get a sense that there's some drag going on. Similar to what I've experienced. Obviously this is all just me guessing, as I don't know the curb, how you normally skate etc, but looks like those slappies would have gone a good amount further and maintained more momentum, but the wheels were kind of dragging on the top of the curb.
I feel like the sound is a good indicator. On both the fs 5050 slappy and the slappy crook, there are very brief moments where the sound goes quiet and there's no grind noise because the wheels drag a bit. Thats kind of what I've noticed with mine, and thats also when I feel the drag and notice some slowing down.
Obviously it still works, but doing the exact same thing with f4s I don't get that at all and it grinds wayyyyy quicker. If you're able to test them back to back with f4s it may give a clearer picture as to whats going on, because when I did that on my curbs, it was a very noticeable difference.
“You’re lived experience is wrong, and let me tell you why….”
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Also the stuff you mention as drag, definitely don't mind the trade off for how they make my old feet feel. That's why I like the tennis courts cause the ground is soft. I just thought they'd be really sticky. They might not be for everyone. But for 40 year plus skaters they're gonna extend the session without a doubt. It makes skating funner. I always loved soft wheels. I didn't think it was possible to get them to slide.
Shit, I think you’ve sold me on these! Anything to help my 45 year old body to skate a little more.
On my zip zinger nano I bought some Powell bombers with bones swiss and I prefer my kid's cheap setup with skateone blanks and China bones. I think the difference is the bombers are 90a and the blanks are 85.
I bought 2 sets of dragons based on this thread. If they really skate like 85a and you can skate street with them I will be stoked.
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https://youtu.be/Bfi5wkPcZsc here's my review. They are by far the best wheel I have ever skated. I am 44 in October and yes way easier on my feet. Krooked grinds feel amazing. I feel like they do got a little bark to em. It was way easier skating for longer period of time. These wheels are the truth.
I feel like this is all true.
But looking at your clips I get a sense that there's some drag going on. Similar to what I've experienced. Obviously this is all just me guessing, as I don't know the curb, how you normally skate etc, but looks like those slappies would have gone a good amount further and maintained more momentum, but the wheels were kind of dragging on the top of the curb.
I feel like the sound is a good indicator. On both the fs 5050 slappy and the slappy crook, there are very brief moments where the sound goes quiet and there's no grind noise because the wheels drag a bit. Thats kind of what I've noticed with mine, and thats also when I feel the drag and notice some slowing down.
Obviously it still works, but doing the exact same thing with f4s I don't get that at all and it grinds wayyyyy quicker. If you're able to test them back to back with f4s it may give a clearer picture as to whats going on, because when I did that on my curbs, it was a very noticeable difference.
“You’re lived experience is wrong, and let me tell you why….”
Your** snarky comment makes no sense, and let me tell you why
Literally immediately validated with his lived experience about being easier on feet, having some bark, and being able to skate longer because thats what I noticed too
Just made an observation based on the sound and the look of the grind because it seemed similar to how mine felt and sounded when I slappied curbs (and that came with some very noticeable drag), and so made a guess about something that may be occurring
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I agree with those observations- same thing happens to me. I skate a curb spot with wax on top and they lip slide fine until the wax ends/gets patchy and then they grip big time. You can even hear the bark noise for a millisecond. In the wax they're fine and for me 50-50s are fine because the top of the curb is painted and formerly had lots of wax. The sides are dustier and my crooks are just like yours in this video where they quietly and rapidly slow down.
The speed is really good. I don't want to change wheels every session because I usually hit a park and slappy spot/angle iron box at my house in a sesh, but if the 95 don't grip quite as harsh on these tricks I would definitely ride them.
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I suckered myself into these to force me to skate in order to try them lol
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I suckered myself into these to force me to skate in order to try them lol
Thank God for the theragun and soft wheels an all guys 50 and up like sluggo. All I need now is some tate roskelly hard tires for My bmx. All the gnarly bmx pros chill here and good spot for flatland. They can slap curbs too but it fucks up your tires. I gotta get new tires for my Toyota Camry and want to build a monster truck next. Been talking about it forever. I got a buddy that will help me build it. It's 150 thousand dollars The guy that is going to help me build it is Jeff Strand and he used to drive the monster truck thunder Beast. I met him in a homeless shelter. There's several how to builds on YouTube. Son of gravedigger is probably the best. I don't see why skate teams don't have monster trucks. Or why people don't drive them everywhere. DC should have a monster truck. They probably do. I asked him about being too old to rebuild or drive and he insisted it was necessary to drive that thing til you die. Why isn't Jah in the monster energy monster truck? Just seems next level. A lot of one dimensional minded folks here. These Powell dragons are revolutionary, you'll just have to try them out. Not a gimmick.
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Experienced a weird issue today. After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.
The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight. I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.
I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously. I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.
Anyone else have this happen?
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Good gawd that feeble squeal lol ugh
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Good gawd that feeble squeal lol ugh
Let's hope Ben got that cheque!
Honestly, it's nothing we didn't already know, these are going to be great for crust and potentially open up a few spots (I already have a few that these wheels will open up a few tricks/obstacles).
I'm still set on skipping the 93s and shooting for both the 95/97s to test out.
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
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https://youtu.be/Bfi5wkPcZsc here's my review. They are by far the best wheel I have ever skated. I am 44 in October and yes way easier on my feet. Krooked grinds feel amazing. I feel like they do got a little bark to em. It was way easier skating for longer period of time. These wheels are the truth.
That slappy crooks was pretty decent…
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Weren't the Ricta Clouds supposed to be basically the same concept of a softish wheel that can slide like whatever happened to the hype around those?
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.
FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.
You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.
Please ‘chill the fuck out’.
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.
FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.
You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.
Please ‘chill the fuck out’.
Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.
Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.
FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.
You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.
Please ‘chill the fuck out’.
Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.
Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit
Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.
I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.
But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.
It comes off like you are taking it too personally. It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.
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I bet he got paid a ton of money for this. At least 50k is guess, maybe more.
I understand this was deleted so maybe this is unfair, but it's hilarious to suggest that someone like Ben whose typically videos get like ~30-50k views would be getting a $50,000 check from George Powell to review some wheels.
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I bet he got paid a ton of money for this. At least 50k is guess, maybe more.
I understand this was deleted so maybe this is unfair, but it's hilarious to suggest that someone like Ben whose typically videos get like ~30-50k views would be getting a $50,000 check from George Powell to review some wheels.
I heard he got like two bitcoins for the review
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Its difficult not to look into these wheels too much. I have some of the OJ Nomads (95a), I thought they were gonna shit miracles on the crusty uk ground i skate at a couple curb spots. On paper they seemed like the perfect duro but they felt hard and a bit slow. Still enjoy the Bones 100’s over them. Marketing can be a hell of a drug
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ITT - People desperate to not like a Powell product.
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Agree that there are some who know what they like, but i’d quite happily give them a go if they were easily available in England. Softer wheels are a nice addition as ground sucks here mostly. Haven’t rode Spitfire since 2001
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.
FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.
You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.
Please ‘chill the fuck out’.
Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.
Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit
Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.
I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.
But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.
It comes off like you are taking it too personally. It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.
It's not split, if you simply look at reviews by people not affiliated with Powell that have done grinds on various terrain it's pretty much accepted that they don't grind and slide as well in some scenarios and now Ben has extensively proven Powell's marketing to be inaccurate.
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.
FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.
You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.
Please ‘chill the fuck out’.
Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.
Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit
Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.
I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.
But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.
It comes off like you are taking it too personally. It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.
???? lmao
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It does validate the opinion myself and others have that they suck grinding on coping and some grinds.
Yes, they suck COMPARED TO A HARD WHEEL. No shit Sherlock.
They are not hard wheels. A more accurate comparison would be to compare them to soft wheels.
I’m interested in them, but I’ve no skin in this game.
I see people saying they are amazing on rough ground, meh oh smooth surfaces. Which seems completely fucking obvious.
You don’t make a 93a wheel to ride smooth surfaces.
So anyone expecting it to grind as smoothly as a 101a is a weirdo. You’re weird. Try grinding with a true 93a and tell me again if they stick as much.
But making a 93 wheel that can slide even close to a hard wheel is a major innovation. I have a lot of shit ground where I live, including about half the parks. Is they ride as advertised, it will let me ride more, for maybe even longer. That’s a bonus.
So stop trying to compare a soft wheel to a hard wheel. That’s not asking the right question.
Does this soft wheel ride better than other soft wheels is what I want to know. And Ben even said they stuck less on some grinds than 97a Spits. So that’s seems like a pretty amazing thing for a wheel 4a softer.
Yo chill the fuck out. I never said they should perform in all ways like a hard wheel. In fact, I was saying that they didn't and it was to be expected when like 2 or 3 posters kept trying to claim that they slid and grinded as good as a hard wheel. So basically I was saying what you would agree with but those of us that noted this kinda got talked over.
I’m tired of reading your personal vendetta about how much they ‘suck’ on certain grinds. It doesn’t come across as someone stating a case, you are being weird.
FUZZGNU too, but his weirdness at least comes from being (maybe a bit too overly) stoked on the wheels.
You seem just wanting to jam your ‘they suck at grinding’ hypothesis in, even in posts where the person grinding says they are fine. It’s weird.
Please ‘chill the fuck out’.
Dude lmao it’s not us claiming that we expected it to slide n grind like a 99 or 101. Powell literacy states that in their own advertising and many of us found that to not be the case in many situations.
Nobody is denying that these are a really good for a 93a but we’re literally just disputing Powell own claims that they act like a 99 or 101 for slides grinds n shit
Fair point that yes, Powell does market them like that. And from what everyone here has said, including the YouTube reviews, it’s split on if they really slide as well as Powell claims.
I haven’t tried them, and I believe the people (like you) that say they don’t grind as well in some surfaces.
But telling people who are riding them, and posting videos of them riding the wheels saying that they grind fine are wrong, or looking for excuses to bolster your argument is a bit overboard.
It comes off like you are taking it too personally. It’s weird. You don’t need to be so weird.
It's not split, if you simply look at reviews by people not affiliated with Powell that have done grinds on various terrain it's pretty much accepted that they don't grind and slide as well in some scenarios and now Ben has extensively proven Powell's marketing to be inaccurate.
Except they slide way better than f4s under the right circumstances. If the curbs waxed it goes and you have more control over the grind it doesn't slip out as bad. Manual are easier to maintain. Everything about these wheels are sick. If Powell's marketing is wrong, why do I think they slide so good. Theyre soft wheels. Soft wheels are not supposed to slide. These wheels live up to the hype. I thought they would be sticky. They're not.
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A little bit of tri flow on your wheels could prevent the brake noise on the round bar, but that sound is pretty sick. To hit a rail and make that horn sound would be dope
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sml. has been making something like the dragon formula for awhile, I'm super in Mike Arnold so remembered he was riding them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-YEM38j167/
I've tried a couple sets the sml 92a (I think they're called the Succulents) and they're pretty sick. If anyone want's the same kinda vibe but doesn't want bones maybe try the sml's?
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Skated these at my local and cringed when I slid. The sound they make is horrible. Sticking with my F4’s
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Man, one day I'm going to introduce revolutionary new tech that everybody either loves or hates. Or thinks is okay. I'm going to corner the marketplace of opinion.
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At some point, 90% of all decks sold used a game-changing new slick bottom technology.
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Man, one day I'm going to introduce revolutionary new tech that everybody either loves or hates. Or thinks is okay. I'm going to corner the marketplace of opinion.
You probably don't even have a lab jacket
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Man, one day I'm going to introduce revolutionary new tech that everybody either loves or hates. Or thinks is okay. I'm going to corner the marketplace of opinion.
I have denim overalls. That's way better. Lab jackets are cheap.
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Overalls are not a jacket. You can get chemical burns on your arms if you're not wearing a jacket, and I bet you don't have safety goggles either. Nobody ever designed anything wearing denim. You've got to be kidding! Maybe you meant duck canvas. Either way you need a lab jacket. It makes you look professional, and that's important, or nobody is going to take you seriously about cornering the marketplace of opinion.
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Dragons are amazing. They slide great! This is going to be the new standard if people can live with the sound. The sound is the only drawback.
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The sound they make during feebles on a rail in the Ben Degros video was so horrible. I'm not switching my F4s for these screeching demons.
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Overalls are not a jacket. You can get chemical burns on your arms if you're not wearing a jacket, and I bet you don't have safety goggles either. Nobody ever designed anything wearing denim. You've got to be kidding! Maybe you meant duck canvas. Either way you need a lab jacket. It makes you look professional, and that's important, or nobody is going to take you seriously about cornering the marketplace of opinion.
I'm already a third of the way there. I've got "hates it" just based on clothing and I haven't even gotten started. This is gonna be easy.
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Powell gives health insurance to its riders. That's some real shit so no reason to bag on the company even if it isn't the coolest.
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Powell gives health insurance to its riders. That's some real shit so no reason to bag on the company even if it isn't the coolest.
I'm guessing dental isn't covered
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Powell gives health insurance to its riders. That's some real shit so no reason to bag on the company even if it isn't the coolest.
They were until Dan Corrigan got on.
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Their marketing is working if there is a 9 page thread, probably twice as many pages in the wheel thread, and an additional thread in Shoes & Gear. Even if the feedback isn't 100% positive there probably hasn't been as much enthusiasm since Lurpivs.
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Their marketing is working if there is a 9 page thread, probably twice as many pages in the wheel thread, and an additional thread in Shoes & Gear. Even if the feedback isn't 100% positive there probably hasn't been as much enthusiasm since Lurpivs.
I think it was mainly Roj and that nine club affiliation video that got them over hyped…probably was un-intended SLAP wind up
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I randomly tried Orbs and that's all I've been on for a bit. They are a little softer 99a I think but slide and will not flat spot.
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To hit a rail and make that horn sound would be dope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfM6DFn_h58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfM6DFn_h58)
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The sound they make during feebles on a rail in the Ben Degros video was so horrible. I'm not switching my F4s for these screeching demons.
No one watching you thinks your screeches on spitfires are cool.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
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The sound they make during feebles on a rail in the Ben Degros video was so horrible. I'm not switching my F4s for these screeching demons.
No one watching you thinks your screeches on spitfires are cool.
That's fine. I won't hear their complaints over my Bluetooth speaker that's blasting 24/7 anyways.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
honestly it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the bones are their money
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
You are saying your opinion was what they based on how they would release these? I think not. I actually love bones wheels. I think they feel better than spitfires.
More likely why they powell released these was because they do not fit into the categories that Bones has right now (STF, SPF, ATF,), and this new formula is a different formula. It doesnt fit neatly whereas Powell has a variety of wheels and most of them fall into the "other category" type wheels. Or maybe George is just proud of this formula and wants them under his own name for starters. I'm sure Bones will get this formula at some point if they do well.
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honestly it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the bones are their money
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Would gnar if I could.
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I can’t wait to see a remarketed/redesigned mini logo truck to bring this place to its knees………
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
honestly it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the bones are their money
God dammit lol
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I can’t wait to see a remarketed/redesigned mini logo truck to bring this place to its knees………
I'm so excited for this. If those crazy ass Minilogo RKP trucks are good, this board is going nuclear
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In magnesium….skateboarding will never be the same.
The dragonskins were just as disruptive in the longboard scene two years ago…..
https://youtu.be/5KI2jkRDvow
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In magnesium….skateboarding will never be the same.
The dragonskins were just as disruptive in the longboard scene two years ago…..
https://youtu.be/5KI2jkRDvow
Truly the lamb skin condom of the longboarding wheel world.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
You are saying your opinion was what they based on how they would release these? I think not. I actually love bones wheels. I think they feel better than spitfires.
I think it's pretty obvious what I meant. No, I didn't literally mean my personal opinion is what they made the decision on. You would be the first person I've ever heard/seen say anything positive about Bones wheels in my entire life.
That being said, I bought a box of the prototypes and finally got around to trying them out today. They completely ate up red rock concrete and rolled over pebbles with ease. They seemed to grip pretty hard on masonite, but otherwise they slid pretty good. Idk how much of the performance is owed to them being 56 mm compared to my old f4's which are pretty worn down.
I'm a convert for now. It's so crusty here that shit like this is a real game changer. I can imagine it being great for stairs with cracks right in front of the set as well. If you live somewhere that has a nice smooth skatepark, I would probably stick with F4's and have a second setup with dragon's on for hitting street spots. Tomorrow, I will give these a more in depth test, it rained a bit today so I was a little limited in what I could try.
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sml. has been making something like the dragon formula for awhile, I'm super in Mike Arnold so remembered he was riding them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-YEM38j167/
I've tried a couple sets the sml 92a (I think they're called the Succulents) and they're pretty sick. If anyone want's the same kinda vibe but doesn't want bones maybe try the sml's?
I've been riding a set of these for so long and they rule because I live on the east coast where streets aren't too smooth. But personally I cannot get them to slide much at all, which is why I'm considering these Powells...but maybe wait for the 95a?
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
honestly it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the bones are their money
Your name's Billy too?
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sml. has been making something like the dragon formula for awhile, I'm super in Mike Arnold so remembered he was riding them.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-YEM38j167/
I've tried a couple sets the sml 92a (I think they're called the Succulents) and they're pretty sick. If anyone want's the same kinda vibe but doesn't want bones maybe try the sml's?
I've been riding a set of these for so long and they rule because I live on the east coast where streets aren't too smooth. But personally I cannot get them to slide much at all, which is why I'm considering these Powells...but maybe wait for the 95a?
I had the sml wheels and they are similar to the Powell wheels in ground contact feel. If you want more communication with the ground I would wait for the 95a or 97a. I think the Powell wheels are faster though, but it’s really hard to say. They are not that different…
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Just got mine in yesterday, did a quick test this morning and they're really good, super fast, better on rough ground, and I had no problem sliding on the rough ass ledges at this spot. There's a quick power slide in there and they sound like Bones wheels to me, so far I'm really into them. These are the 52mm's.
https://youtu.be/1ls3EDSETDk
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
You are saying your opinion was what they based on how they would release these? I think not. I actually love bones wheels. I think they feel better than spitfires.
More likely why they powell released these was because they do not fit into the categories that Bones has right now (STF, SPF, ATF,), and this new formula is a different formula. It doesnt fit neatly whereas Powell has a variety of wheels and most of them fall into the "other category" type wheels. Or maybe George is just proud of this formula and wants them under his own name for starters. I'm sure Bones will get this formula at some point if they do well.
i didnt know ATF were still a thing. in my mind, these were just a re-branded ATF. i am pretty sure that is what people who tested them early on were saying they were going to be like as well.
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Just got mine in yesterday, did a quick test this morning and they're really good, super fast, better on rough ground, and I had no problem sliding on the rough ass ledges at this spot. There's a quick power slide in there and they sound like Bones wheels to me, so far I'm really into them. These are the 52mm's.
https://youtu.be/1ls3EDSETDk
that ledge looks fun as hell
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I have literally nothing constructive to say because I will always ride spits… That being said, I would maybe consider potentially buying a pair if they didn’t have such a stupid fucking name.
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I have literally nothing constructive to say because I will always ride spits… That being said, I would maybe consider potentially buying a pair if they didn’t have such a stupid fucking name.
Right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
&& CONSTANTLY has phones and cameras pointed at him, and no one thought to have him NOT cut the promo in vertical??
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
Already bought them but now I’m double sold. Gold bless && and the big brain marketing at Powell
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
&& CONSTANTLY has phones and cameras pointed at him podcast appearances, and no one thought to have him NOT cut the promo in vertical get him a "dollar shave club" subscription??
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
"you're probably gonna want to have a pair of these in your backpa"
I can't help but wonder why the person that edited this chopped off the end of the sentence on every cut. Is it an artistic statement?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
Love how the last clip has no audio so you can't hear that screech.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
Apparently word on the rough streets is that these wheels are marketed to the old cunts that remember Powell when it was cool. Old bastards have cash and are now a large percentage of the skate market. Old bones, sore muscles, fat wallets and nostalgia help sell soft wheels. These formulas will creep into the bones line up eventually.
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I'll probably buy a set soon. I am an old kook who enjoys some && / Powell team. Also, my town and local park are just all crust rough ground so that's probably a better reason to check them out. I have never tried Spitfires either though so I should probably try the f4 out too... I never cared about wheels when I was younger. As long as they were hard and below 53 mm it was cool. Now I want 55-56 with a bit of give.
I might be a bit younger than the demographic they are marketing to but my first board was a Powell slick in the mid-'90s and I'm getting old enough that I'll buy into some hype that will help keep my soon to be old ass skating. Powell certainly wasn't cool when I started skating so I'm going to stick with the same clueless mindset that got me here in the first place.
Kind of want to wait for the higher durometer though
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I have literally nothing constructive to say because I will always ride spits… That being said, I would maybe consider potentially buying a pair if they didn’t have such a stupid fucking name.
It's dragon formula. Dragons spit fire. They are made with dragon blood, which is a lot harder to find than children's blood used in formula 4s and they actually do spit fire.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
Apparently word on the rough streets is that these wheels are marketed to the old cunts that remember Powell when it was cool. Old bastards have cash and are now a large percentage of the skate market. Old bones, sore muscles, fat wallets and nostalgia help sell soft wheels. These formulas will creep into the bones line up eventually.
Accurate
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
I can't help but wonder why the person that edited this chopped off the end of the sentence on every cut. Is it an artistic statement?
A pair?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
I can't help but wonder why the person that edited this chopped off the end of the sentence on every cut. Is it an artistic statement?
A pair?
Yeah, just in case you get weather and want to get some manuals done.
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
Apparently word on the rough streets is that these wheels are marketed to the old cunts that remember Powell when it was cool. Old bastards have cash and are now a large percentage of the skate market. Old bones, sore muscles, fat wallets and nostalgia help sell soft wheels. These formulas will creep into the bones line up eventually.
Imagine already being part of the dorkiest kind of skateboarder and then going Pinacle dweeb and being into Powell instead of Santa Cruz/oj/slimeballs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDgiWJ0d758
according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
I can't help but wonder why the person that edited this chopped off the end of the sentence on every cut. Is it an artistic statement?
A pair?
Yeah, just in case you get weather and want to get some manuals do.
This advert would not let you complete that senten
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why do you think these were marketed as Powell wheels and not Bones? Are they meant to be sold to an older crowd? Did Powell do wheels at all before? seemed like they always watned to keep Powell as the Board company and Bones as the wheel company, seems odd they decided to cannabalize now
My opinion on Bones wheels was pretty low and would have been pretty hard to convince me to ever buy a set again. I'm guessing that's why they released these under Powell.
Apparently word on the rough streets is that these wheels are marketed to the old cunts that remember Powell when it was cool. Old bastards have cash and are now a large percentage of the skate market. Old bones, sore muscles, fat wallets and nostalgia help sell soft wheels. These formulas will creep into the bones line up eventually.
I checked out Powell precisely because I was a Santa Cruz kid and hadn't ridden Powell before. I'll probably get a cool kids setup so I can understand that it doesn't make a difference to me. I just need to figure out what the coolest thing is.
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Just tried these (93a) out against filmer wheels 80a and regular spitfire 99a wheels.
Tried on smooth concrete and crusty streets. I slid on both surfaces easily and they sounded like normal barking wheels.
Filmer wheels, no vibrations, no slide.
Spitfire wheels, lots of vibrations, easy slides.
The Powell dragons had some vibrations and easy slides.
The dragons could easily be my new wheels for any terrain. I actually expected them to have less vibration but the vibration was still there. but they were also way quieter over the crusty streets compared to the spits. You could hear me a mile away on the spits. I did back to back comparisons on three different boards. These will easily open some spots for you that were too rough to skate before on regular hard wheels.
my rating: 4 out of 5 stars. If there was no vibration, it would have gotten 5 stars.
Like and don't forget to smash that subscribe button.
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I rode the Dragon today. My friend set some up and we went out in the street and started powersliding. I felt like they slid better than my 99a Spitfire’s. It’s a trip.
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Powell Peralta. its hard to see but yes bones was labeled this was back in the
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according to Powell, these wheels are great if you "live anywhere that gets weather".
any trick anywhere? do switch bs flip &&. ill be back next week
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Powell Peralta. its hard to see but yes bones was labeled this was back in the
sorry to interrupt your bath
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I was gifted a set of these wheels to try, normally I bounce between 97 and 99 F4’s.
Skated some serious crust and they over performed, really fun in those back alleys and made some stuff skateable that maybe wouldn’t have been before. They slid ok but on wallrides we’re a little grippy. On ledges they gripped more than they slid which is a bummer. I did some slappies and felt little resistance. My board felt kind of soggy though and my pop was a bit off.
I’m not normally a crust skater though so to make these my daily would be a stretch. They feel more cruiser wheel than standard too which I’m not a fan of.
I prefer the f4 97 in summation.
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I was gifted a set of these wheels to try, normally I bounce between 97 and 99 F4’s.
Skated some serious crust and they over performed, really fun in those back alleys and made some stuff skateable that maybe wouldn’t have been before. They slid ok but on wallrides we’re a little grippy. On ledges they gripped more than they slid which is a bummer. I did some slappies and felt little resistance. My board felt kind of soggy though and my pop was a bit off.
I’m not normally a crust skater though so to make these my daily would be a stretch. They feel more cruiser wheel than standard too which I’m not a fan of.
I prefer the f4 97 in summation.
A totally reasonable review? On MY slap? I don’t think so, get outta here buddy
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I was gifted a set of these wheels to try, normally I bounce between 97 and 99 F4’s.
Skated some serious crust and they over performed, really fun in those back alleys and made some stuff skateable that maybe wouldn’t have been before. They slid ok but on wallrides we’re a little grippy. On ledges they gripped more than they slid which is a bummer. I did some slappies and felt little resistance. My board felt kind of soggy though and my pop was a bit off.
I’m not normally a crust skater though so to make these my daily would be a stretch. They feel more cruiser wheel than standard too which I’m not a fan of.
I prefer the f4 97 in summation.
I got a set as well. A lot of the same to report, main negative was the pop feels slightly soggy/delayed. Other than that I found them to slide as well, if not better, for nose/tailslides and lipslides. What I'm trying to figure out is did the OG Powell wheels (Rat Bones etc) from the late 80's slide as well? I remember doing powerslides on them but was too little and new to skating to do any real tricks with them.
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I was gifted a set of these wheels to try, normally I bounce between 97 and 99 F4’s.
Skated some serious crust and they over performed, really fun in those back alleys and made some stuff skateable that maybe wouldn’t have been before. They slid ok but on wallrides we’re a little grippy. On ledges they gripped more than they slid which is a bummer. I did some slappies and felt little resistance. My board felt kind of soggy though and my pop was a bit off.
I’m not normally a crust skater though so to make these my daily would be a stretch. They feel more cruiser wheel than standard too which I’m not a fan of.
I prefer the f4 97 in summation.
I got a set as well. A lot of the same to report, main negative was the pop feels slightly soggy/delayed. Other than that I found them to slide as well, if not better, for nose/tailslides and lipslides. What I'm trying to figure out is did the OG Powell wheels (Rat Bones etc) from the late 80's slide as well? I remember doing powerslides on them but was too little and new to skating to do any real tricks with them.
at 97a i slid pretty good. i think it was my weight and the size of the whhel. Big wheel more speed. We would get driven up to NH and Maine to bomb hills by my friends father. Bomb next to his car. Then go canoeing. It was arround when Checkered Pig snowboards dropped. I remember them taking about that new brand. There was only one halfpipe at Sunday River. The LIt Halfpipe. I LAUNCHED the end into the woods switch lol on my first run. I survived obv.
anyway we had 4 wheel slide contest. Bones t bones slid the best at 97. Alva Hardones. Slid like perfect. Bullet 66s. Id sacrifice a nut for a set of 97a bullet 66s rn. Get a Fred Smith III deck and some new indy 4 reissues. Skate nothing but barriers and hills forever and ever.
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I got a set as well. A lot of the same to report, main negative was the pop feels slightly soggy/delayed.
I noticed this as well, I figured it was related to the size of wheel I was using(56mm). I think tomorrow I am going to switch back to F4's, but I will probably keep these in the quiver for when I really want to hit some street spots. Seriously, alot of the ground here is red rock pavement and is very hard to skate, but it's pretty much unlocked when I skate these.
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Anyone know where to get these in the UK? Can't find anything that isn't £70+ shipping from America
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Oh damn a wheel tested by people who don't have a bad thing to say about anyone/anything? Seems legit.
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Anyone know where to get these in the UK? Can't find anything that isn't £70+ shipping from America
they seem to be selling out pretty fast in most shops.
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Anyone know where to get these in the UK? Can't find anything that isn't £70+ shipping from America
they seem to be selling out pretty fast in most shops.
Not quite UK but closer
https://www.titus-shop.com/en/powell-peralta-wheel-dragons-93a-v1-standard-offwhite-0135710/
Out of interest do you have to pay any interest on items imported from Europe?
So if you bought them wheels from German would you have a charge ?
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Anyone know where to get these in the UK? Can't find anything that isn't £70+ shipping from America
they seem to be selling out pretty fast in most shops.
Not quite UK but closer
https://www.titus-shop.com/en/powell-peralta-wheel-dragons-93a-v1-standard-offwhite-0135710/
Out of interest do you have to pay any interest on items imported from Europe?
So if you bought them wheels from German would you have a charge ?
Cheers man, sold out already unfortunately.
I went through checkout out of curiosity and shipping to England has been bumped up to £25, same as shipping to Thailand. Rest of EU is about 5-9 euro. Brexit eh.
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from someone that will find a reason to hate on literally anything at all and will not ride anything other that spitfires, my friend got a set and they are really nice. only thing I wish were different is that he'd gotten a bigger size
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from someone that will find a reason to hate on literally anything at all and will not ride anything other that spitfires, my friend got a set and they are really nice. only thing I wish were different is that he'd gotten a bigger size
The 56 are conicals. A lot of people been wanting these in bigger sizes. Dragon blood is a lot harder to find than children's blood used in formula 4s.
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from someone that will find a reason to hate on literally anything at all and will not ride anything other that spitfires, my friend got a set and they are really nice. only thing I wish were different is that he'd gotten a bigger size
i'm 99% sure that you actually believe this
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well the fact they are sold out across the planet has to mean something... right?
or did that 9 club ad just push everyone over the edge ;D
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Just got a pair because I mostly skate the asphalt parking lot and curbs near my house- pretty stoked. They’re faster on asphalt (slower on cement). They slide fine. Honestly should have occurred to me a long time ago that always riding 101s wasn’t great for my joints
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from someone that will find a reason to hate on literally anything at all and will not ride anything other that spitfires, my friend got a set and they are really nice. only thing I wish were different is that he'd gotten a bigger size
that childrens blood fuckin works
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All these posts about them being sold out and shit made me just impulse buy them off of Parade World.
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All these posts about them being sold out and shit made me just impulse buy them off of Parade World.
Let us know how you like em. I'm still running my preproduction jawns with the hub, but I'm considering grabbing a set if there are labor day sales. The 52mm shape looks like a Spitfire classic shape which works for me.
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I rode the Dragon today. My friend set some up and we went out in the street and started powersliding. I felt like they slid better than my 99a Spitfire’s. It’s a trip.
On the custy crust we have here, I had the exact same experience.
They roll almost like filmer wheels, and they slide like 99a's or better.
This is my new street wheel fosho.
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I should have ordered but whatever. Ill find someone who dont like um and trade for some old spits. I got mad wheels that are fine. I skate bricks every day
I ordered some shoes and some green bushings from orchard
But yeah i got 58mm wheels. I can roll pretty good. Soft wheels when the salt hits the ground. :-[
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i want to try these but i cant in good conscience purchase something from powell
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All these posts about them being sold out and shit made me just impulse buy them off of Parade World.
Let us know how you like em. I'm still running my preproduction jawns with the hub, but I'm considering grabbing a set if there are labor day sales. The 52mm shape looks like a Spitfire classic shape which works for me.
Finally skated them today. I was so anxious to see how they would ride. After the first few pushes I loved how smooth they were, very similar to key frames (which is the wheel I originally wanted to replace with these). The moment I threw a small bs powerslide and saw they slid pretty much like F4 99s I was blown away. I skated huge distances today, and it was so easy and required way less effort thanks to these wheels.
Now Ive only skated them for a day so cant really give a full review but I really cant believe how good these wheels are.
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I was mainly looking for a wheel that can work as a cruiser/filmer wheel that can actually slide. I dont really feel like Ill be using these as a on my regular board that much but Im stoked that Ill actually be able to skate "normally" when Im on my filmer board.
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count me as another satisfied customer. I bought a set of 56 and I really liked them.
I wouldn't say they opened up new spots for me cause I always ride big wheels, 56 or 58.
But they do roll smoother and slide good. Did not notice any difference for tail or noseslides.
So I'll definitely buy another set when this one is done.
I tried them on street and in a park, they did well in both settings. But street is where they shine compared to other wheels.
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Finally had a few sessions on the wider 54mm dragons. I'd say they work as advertised, but that's not to say they don't have drawbacks. Main drawback is the grip on rails/ledges, the other two are more subjective, the sound is quiet, and they feel slightly bouncy.
Overall I'd say they do what they are intended to do and I will certainly keep them around for crusty spots.
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Can only find these in 54m in Europe q
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Can only find these in 54m in Europe q
titus and freedomskateshop.at got them all
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Finally got some 56mm in stock online at some Canadian shops. Think I will treat myself to a set for my birthday. Crust crust everywhere but still nothing good to skate.
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Finally had a few sessions on the wider 54mm dragons. I'd say they work as advertised, but that's not to say they don't have drawbacks. Main drawback is the grip on rails/ledges, the other two are more subjective, the sound is quiet, and they feel slightly bouncy.
Overall I'd say they do what they are intended to do and I will certainly keep them around for crusty spots.
These wheels are so polarizing cause I have to say my Powell dragons slide way better on ledges and rails then formula 4s, so they must have sent out some fakes or you're not waxing or doing something wrong. On curbs these slide twice as good as formula 4s.
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Finally had a few sessions on the wider 54mm dragons. I'd say they work as advertised, but that's not to say they don't have drawbacks. Main drawback is the grip on rails/ledges, the other two are more subjective, the sound is quiet, and they feel slightly bouncy.
Overall I'd say they do what they are intended to do and I will certainly keep them around for crusty spots.
do you have a partner? like a girlfriend/boyfriend?
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Finally had a few sessions on the wider 54mm dragons. I'd say they work as advertised, but that's not to say they don't have drawbacks. Main drawback is the grip on rails/ledges, the other two are more subjective, the sound is quiet, and they feel slightly bouncy.
Overall I'd say they do what they are intended to do and I will certainly keep them around for crusty spots.
cap
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i want those pj ladd versache wheels
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i want those pj ladd versache wheels
those look like a sonnenrad to me but i didn’t wanna make a thread. weird nazi rictas..
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https://youtu.be/9pvKoqLk3SY
I am drunk and this show in my feed ,btw i ride bones for life
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Can only find these in 54m in Europe q
titus and freedomskateshop.at got them all
Amazing thank you
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i want those pj ladd versache wheels
Hahahaha the SLAP ad banner wheels. They should have had a turban graphic that’d be so fire
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https://youtu.be/9pvKoqLk3SY
I am drunk and this show in my feed ,btw i ride bones for life
The shocking truth is that they're soft but slide.
flabbergasted. Rip my youtube algorithm
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These things really are cool. They do everything they claim to do.
The problem is I don't like how my board feels when it hits the ground. I don't like the bouncy feeling. And for some tricks the just don't feel satisfying
None the less I will stick with them for a good while because girlfriend just bought them for me.
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i got to try them finally i am pretty stoked on them. i like the way that f4 feels a bit better on a nice spot. i dont mind how dragons feel as an all around wheel, i have a setup i am going to put some on.
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i got to try them finally i am pretty stoked on them. i like the way that f4 feels a bit better on a nice spot. i dont mind how dragons feel as an all around wheel, i have a setup i am going to put some on.
I rode dragons for a couple months until my 52 were like 47s. They wore out a decent bit faster than F4 99A. Worst part about the dragons is how quiet they are. Maybe its just absence makes the heart grow fonder, but I've been loving hearing my wheels bark again.
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right. my friend was saying the same thing. they seem kinda "chalky" in that sense they just sorta melt away. but thats how you achieve this result that works like this. so it makes sense. yeah like i was getting by on the OJ 95a and it works i can still do everything, and dragons are definintely a huge improvement on that, but i just really like the way this f4 feels and really glad i got them. it is exactly what i want for most of my skating.