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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: modern life is war on January 21, 2023, 09:03:20 PM
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Brands like Bullet, Mini Logo, Industrial, Compound (zumiez house brand), CCS' house brand, etc. Price is usually around $10-15 per truck
Who here has tried any of them as an adult and what were your experiences?
I have personally ridden bullet trucks. My experience was that out of the box I had to grind down 3/16 of the kingpin because it caught on the coping and replace the stock bushings but once I did that they were decent and basically felt exactly the same as a pair of indys i had on a different set up. They looked hideous but performed fine.
Some of the other cheap brands look identical to indys, for example https://www.zumiez.com/compound-polished-silver-5-75-skateboard-truck.html or https://socalskateshop.com/Industrial-IV-575-Trucks-Raw-Raw.html
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Here's my contribution to the thread.
(https://i.ibb.co/vBtNXHM/DSC03661.jpg)
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Why even bother with this stuff when you can find a used pair of Indy’s / Thunder / Ace for $25 all day? There’s also killer deals out there on new gear if you can be patient. For instance, I just got two pairs of new Indys for $30 a set a month or two ago, and one of those sets was hollows.
I suppose you could come back and say that the Zumiez fake Indys are just as good as the real thing. And I’ll laugh just as hard as I do at the people that claim that an Epiphone is just as good as a Gibson.
Edited to note that I’ll make a caveat for Mini Logo. Never tried them but I’ve heard good things. But I don’t understand why somebody would want to ride Bullet or Zumiez trucks to save a couple bucks. Assuming trucks last the average skater a year, you can’t save up an extra dollar a month to buy some quality trucks to do something that brings you joy and that you love? Just seems weird to me.
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Why even bother with this stuff when you can find a used pair of Indy’s / Thunder / Ace for $25 all day? There’s also killer deals out there on new gear if you can be patient. For instance, I just got two pairs of new Indys for $30 a set a month or two ago, and one of those sets was hollows.
I suppose you could come back and say that the Zumiez fake Indys are just as good as the real thing. And I’ll laugh just as hard as I do at the people that claim that an Epiphone is just as good as a Gibson.
Modern Epi’s have dramatically increased in quality in the last 10 years. Huge leap from the decade prior, just thought I’d point that out.
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I have a set of Mini Logo 8.38. Overall I find them great to skate and was pleasantly suprised by how good they are.
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Mini logo on riser pads all day.
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I’ll cut cost on every part of my board except for the trucks. It’s just not worth it.
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Here's my contribution to the thread.
Props for the Khiro bushings.
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Why even bother with this stuff when you can find a used pair of Indy’s / Thunder / Ace for $25 all day? There’s also killer deals out there on new gear if you can be patient. For instance, I just got two pairs of new Indys for $30 a set a month or two ago, and one of those sets was hollows.
I suppose you could come back and say that the Zumiez fake Indys are just as good as the real thing. And I’ll laugh just as hard as I do at the people that claim that an Epiphone is just as good as a Gibson.
I'm just curious. The bullet trucks surprised me with how adequate they were. I've never tried the Zumiez fake indys but I'm pretty curious to do so, just to see how they compare to the real deal.
I'm wondering if there isn't an expired patent on an earlier stage of indys that allows all these companies to completely copy them.
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All I know is that anyone here will break a pair of tensor alloy trucks if you actually tried to put them through their paces. But fuck dwindle anyway.
In skated “core” trucks for like 2 years. I think they’re a TGM brand of budget trucks. I’ve never seen them anywhere else except for the skateshop I got them from in like 2006. They were fine. But the baseplate eventually broke into pieces. But that was after a while of teenage abuse.
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/500x659/products/6807/80776/raw-5-blk-1__03074.1579286447.jpg?c=2)
Currently they make hollows that look like Indys
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/500x659/products/43463/86145/raw-black-h-52-1__53894.1590066981.gif?c=2)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/500x659/products/43463/86148/raw-black-h-52-4__37135.1590066981.gif?c=2)
*update with pics, I would rate them as not bad, but also over it's been over a decade.
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I would try cheap trucks as tools to try out different heights, dims, and weight for making experimental setups on the cheap, but they don’t have those specs available. Just the width. Tactics has some listed but their height measurement isn’t always correct.
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Mini logos are great. A little low for my taste, but risers negate that. Great turn, nice grind. Totally fine for being in rotation with other big name trucks.
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I’ll cut cost on every part of my board except for the trucks. It’s just not worth it.
Why the trucks?
For me, as far as cost saving goes, i'd cut cost on trucks waaayy before i try to skate a flimsy cheap deck or some super plastic feeling wheels
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Mini logos are great. A little low for my taste, but risers negate that. Great turn, nice grind. Totally fine for being in rotation with other big name trucks.
I've got pair setup now with 1/16 ACE risers, great truck if you want to shave costs or just want a low, light, wide truck that turns and grinds great.
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Why even bother with this stuff when you can find a used pair of Indy’s / Thunder / Ace for $25 all day? There’s also killer deals out there on new gear if you can be patient. For instance, I just got two pairs of new Indys for $30 a set a month or two ago, and one of those sets was hollows.
I suppose you could come back and say that the Zumiez fake Indys are just as good as the real thing. And I’ll laugh just as hard as I do at the people that claim that an Epiphone is just as good as a Gibson.
I'm just curious. The bullet trucks surprised me with how adequate they were. I've never tried the Zumiez fake indys but I'm pretty curious to do so, just to see how they compare to the real deal.
I'm wondering if there isn't an expired patent on an earlier stage of indys that allows all these companies to completely copy them.
I have a couple indy clones. Industrial has been making them for ages, but the compound ones from zumiez are as close to 1:1 as you'll find except the bushings suck. The weight is even pretty close and I had to mark the hangers because otherwise they were basically impossible to differentiate from the spare 144 hangers I have. The industrials feel lighter and have decent bushings but the pair I have are painted and grind weird. The compounds feel pretty much identical to me if you replace the bushings and lube the pivot cups.
There is the caveat that I don't really skate indy standards very often, so I'm probably not going to pick up on the tiny nuances that someone who skates them as their go-to would.
And yes, mini logos are great. I don't care that they're the lamest looking trucks ever and their poster boy is considered the prodigal kook by a large portion of the skate world, they skate really great. Low, light, and very responsive. I kind of want them to make magnesium ones and watch the purists heads just explode with rage.
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Mini logos are regarded as the best "cheap" trucks around these parts. I've never owned a pair but ive ridden around on them for a few minutes and can say they def feel better than any other budget brand ive stepped on
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Just for fun to add to this- Xenia trucks that used to be on alien completes were not that bad in terms of basic durability especially if stock bushings replaced with bones and rounded like mini logos. Alien Workshop branded trucks on current completes (at least my sons 7.5 spectrum complete) actually turny for a kid board, but not the same quality. For reference I generally skate Indys with stock indy bushings.
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my friend has a setup with bullets. I can skate fine on them, but the turning does feel like shit. they seem to be lasting. if someone said that was all i had to ride for the rest of my life i could definintely make due with them.
on my kids boards there are the tensors bceause they are enjoi completes. i was a bit nervous to evne stand on those without bending the axles. they seem inferior to the bullets in every way.
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i never had them but i love the industrial logo.
(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/M/industrial-skateboard-trucks-logo.png)
i've always heard that they were the best budget trucks but from what i hear mini-logos are that now? i actually skated around on the mini-logos and they turn very well. i didn't do any grinds though i just cruised.
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Currently they make hollows that look like Indys
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/500x659/products/43463/86145/raw-black-h-52-1__53894.1590066981.gif?c=2)
Slappy trucks
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I bought the high end globe complete with gold tensor alloys with hollow pins for like 45 euro because I'm curious and it was a steal.
I might bring that next time I go skate.
https://eu.globebrand.com/products/g2-on-the-brink-shelter
Shit, they're mag too?
Tensor Hollow Kingpin Trucks
Made in premium Aluminium and magnesium to produce the best quality skateboard truck on the market. All Tensor trucks feature Grade-8 kingpins and high-rebound urethane bushings. Tensor Magnesium trucks are 20% lighter than Aluminium with the same smooth grind. And they’re guaranteed for life.
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Got some CCS trucks when I got into skateboarding last year and they’re okay. But the jump in quality between them and a truck $25 more expensive is HUGE. So only kids and total newcomers should buy them. Anyone who cares enough to join Slap is already too far gone and should know better 😂
Sure someone in the gear madness thread would gladly give you a pair of quality trucks for free lol
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Got some CCS trucks when I got into skateboarding last year and they’re okay. But the jump in quality between them and a truck $25 more expensive is HUGE. So only kids and total newcomers should buy them. Anyone who cares enough to join Slap is already too far gone and should know better 😂
Sure someone in the gear madness thread would gladly give you a pair of quality trucks for free lol
I'm not surprised the ccs house brand sucks. I used to get their clothes and boards when I was a teenager and they sucked too.
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I bought the high end globe complete with gold tensor alloys with hollow pins for like 45 euro because I'm curious and it was a steal.
I might bring that next time I go skate.
https://eu.globebrand.com/products/g2-on-the-brink-shelter
Shit, they're mag too?
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Tensor Hollow Kingpin Trucks
Made in premium Aluminium and magnesium to produce the best quality skateboard truck on the market. All Tensor trucks feature Grade-8 kingpins and high-rebound urethane bushings. Tensor Magnesium trucks are 20% lighter than Aluminium with the same smooth grind. And they’re guaranteed for life.
description on right says tensor alloy trucks.
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Why even bother with this stuff when you can find a used pair of Indy’s / Thunder / Ace for $25 all day? There’s also killer deals out there on new gear if you can be patient. For instance, I just got two pairs of new Indys for $30 a set a month or two ago, and one of those sets was hollows.
I suppose you could come back and say that the Zumiez fake Indys are just as good as the real thing. And I’ll laugh just as hard as I do at the people that claim that an Epiphone is just as good as a Gibson.
Edited to note that I’ll make a caveat for Mini Logo. Never tried them but I’ve heard good things. But I don’t understand why somebody would want to ride Bullet or Zumiez trucks to save a couple bucks. Assuming trucks last the average skater a year, you can’t save up an extra dollar a month to buy some quality trucks to do something that brings you joy and that you love? Just seems weird to me.
You really can get on eBay depop or some other reselling site and find any of the top of the line trucks right now for much cheaper. I just scope them all on a pretty regular basis and grab any particularly good deals when I feel like changing things up. For some reason decks and wheels are never much cheaper than MSRP but trucks are frequently.
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Why even bother with this stuff when you can find a used pair of Indy’s / Thunder / Ace for $25 all day? There’s also killer deals out there on new gear if you can be patient. For instance, I just got two pairs of new Indys for $30 a set a month or two ago, and one of those sets was hollows.
I suppose you could come back and say that the Zumiez fake Indys are just as good as the real thing. And I’ll laugh just as hard as I do at the people that claim that an Epiphone is just as good as a Gibson.
Edited to note that I’ll make a caveat for Mini Logo. Never tried them but I’ve heard good things. But I don’t understand why somebody would want to ride Bullet or Zumiez trucks to save a couple bucks. Assuming trucks last the average skater a year, you can’t save up an extra dollar a month to buy some quality trucks to do something that brings you joy and that you love? Just seems weird to me.
You really can get on eBay depop or some other reselling site and find any of the top of the line trucks right now for much cheaper. I just scope them all on a pretty regular basis and grab any particularly good deals when I feel like changing things up. For some reason decks and wheels are never much cheaper than MSRP but trucks are frequently.
You can go to most online retailers and buy them for dirt cheap. Skate Warehouse has (had? maybe they're gone) Indy Mids for $35, Zumies has Ventures for $25, etc.
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I’ll cut cost on every part of my board except for the trucks. It’s just not worth it.
Why the trucks?
For me, as far as cost saving goes, i'd cut cost on trucks waaayy before i try to skate a flimsy cheap deck or some super plastic feeling wheels
Trucks generally last the longest so I want some I can trust. I like my grooves and my worn in bushings and the feeling of consistency from board to board. Most of the legit companies tend to have price point equipment that is close to or the same quality as their regularly priced products. With the exception of trucks. I suppose say Minilogo trucks might be acceptable but buying a set of whatever other off brand truck is most likely a waste of money. At the end of the day did you save $10- $20 buying the off brand truck or did you waste $30 and now you’ve got to buy something else because your axle is bent/ slipped/ baseplate broken /etc. Those things happen to name brand trucks too but not near as often.
A price point name brand deck with cheap bearings in price point name brand wheels with Thunder/ Indy/ Venture/ etc will typically be more dependable than some blank truck, even if some of those blank trucks are made by the big distros.
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Just to back up others points, you can find name brand trucks being blown out all the time so you don't have to commit to months of misery if you're trying to save some bucks. The big hook up is Zumiez sales online. They routinely blow out standard Ventures, Aces and usually the goony Thunder colorways at $30ish a pair with free shipping. Maybe snag some Mini-Logos for now and keep your eye out for those deals.
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https://sopdistribution.com/collections/trucks/products/blacksmith-low-raw-polished
I got these on a whim during a sale but haven't set them up yet, and low trucks above 8.0 were hard to find prior to Ace AF1 Low. These are 1.75" (44.45mm) which are even lower than Tensor Lows (46mm).
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no
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https://sopdistribution.com/collections/trucks/products/blacksmith-low-raw-polished
I got these on a whim during a sale but haven't set them up yet, and low trucks above 8.0 were hard to find prior to Ace AF1 Low. These are 1.75" (44.45mm) which are even lower than Tensor Lows (46mm).
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you....
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Just to back up others points, you can find name brand trucks being blown out all the time so you don't have to commit to months of misery if you're trying to save some bucks. The big hook up is Zumiez sales online. They routinely blow out standard Ventures, Aces and usually the goony Thunder colorways at $30ish a pair with free shipping. Maybe snag some Mini-Logos for now and keep your eye out for those deals.
Just to be clear i'm not even in the market for new trucks right now, I have a couple of sets of second hand indys to go through before i buy a new pair. I'm just curious, especially since so many of them look like fake indys and i don't imagine that skate truck manufacturing is so complicated that indy is really going to be that far above industrial or whatever. I'd like to see for myself one day.
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Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
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https://sopdistribution.com/collections/trucks/products/blacksmith-low-raw-polished
I got these on a whim during a sale but haven't set them up yet, and low trucks above 8.0 were hard to find prior to Ace AF1 Low. These are 1.75" (44.45mm) which are even lower than Tensor Lows (46mm).
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you....
It was around the yoke area that sits into the pivot cup... Told me a little lube there stops it from squealing...
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Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
Venture and Thunder are made right here in the good 'ol US of A partner
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Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
Venture and Thunder are made right here in the good 'ol US of A partner
*most thunder and venture are USA made
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isnt made in USA kinda synonymous with assembled in USA these days?
kinda like how food in my local store can say product of Australia while using fruit from overseas or some shit.
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Got some CCS trucks when I got into skateboarding last year and they’re okay. But the jump in quality between them and a truck $25 more expensive is HUGE. So only kids and total newcomers should buy them. Anyone who cares enough to join Slap is already too far gone and should know better 😂
Sure someone in the gear madness thread would gladly give you a pair of quality trucks for free lol
I'm not surprised the ccs house brand sucks. I used to get their clothes and boards when I was a teenager and they sucked too.
They're literally just bullets with a ccs stamp.
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https://sopdistribution.com/collections/trucks/products/blacksmith-low-raw-polished
I got these on a whim during a sale but haven't set them up yet, and low trucks above 8.0 were hard to find prior to Ace AF1 Low. These are 1.75" (44.45mm) which are even lower than Tensor Lows (46mm).
those shits look like they have negative kingpin clearance. the trucks on old darkstar completes were like that
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https://sopdistribution.com/collections/trucks/products/blacksmith-low-raw-polished
I got these on a whim during a sale but haven't set them up yet, and low trucks above 8.0 were hard to find prior to Ace AF1 Low. These are 1.75" (44.45mm) which are even lower than Tensor Lows (46mm).
those shits look like they have negative kingpin clearance. the trucks on old darkstar completes were like that
I've got a pair of those too, the kingpin does indeed stick out over the hanger. Apart from this huge drawback they're perfectly fine trucks. I've got them on my car setup to bust out for unexpected flatground sessions, and they work great for that, but I've never done a single grind on them.
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Here's another contribution... Ruckus lows. I wanna say they're 49mm but I don't honestly remember. Aside from similarly awful kp clearance, they have tensor-esque plastic-y bushings and turn so poorly you'll be longing for krux k5s.
(https://i.ibb.co/q1ghDmk/IMG-20230126-063033.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q1ghDmk)
I also posted a thread in classifieds a while back with some of my weird/cheap trucks and other oddball gear (like an 8.25 x 31 shaped deck from Watson lam).
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Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
Just because something comes from the same factory doesn’t mean it’s made with the same quality materials. It’s not a one for one, stamp a different name on it type of thing. The price is marked up to cover the cost of materials. Most of the time the price point items are marked up at a higher margin than the regular priced truck. It’s called a loss leader. In the end though, cheap trucks = even cheaper metal.
Also, I wasn’t “clowning “ your thread, I offered an educated example for why I personally wouldn’t ride off brand trucks.
Life’s too short to ride cheap metal.
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Not as cheap as mini logos are here in europe, but polster trucks deserve to be mentioned. I'd say they're the cheapest ultrahigh quality trucks (made in germany). They look and turn like thunders, but have a wb closer to venture.
The polster titaniums cost as much as standard thunders. And they're amazing. Even lighter than titanium thunders.
Edit: I don't actually know if they're still made in germany. It doesn't say that anywhere on the website. I can only say they look and function exactly the same as they always did.
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Just to back up others points, you can find name brand trucks being blown out all the time so you don't have to commit to months of misery if you're trying to save some bucks. The big hook up is Zumiez sales online. They routinely blow out standard Ventures, Aces and usually the goony Thunder colorways at $30ish a pair with free shipping. Maybe snag some Mini-Logos for now and keep your eye out for those deals.
Fuck Zumiez, they dont even sponsor skateboarders. If you HAVE to buy from a big retailer at least try to make it one that actually sponsors skaters. CCS and Skatewarehouse. Always try an actual shop first, it usually takes more effort but often times you can find similar deals from legit shops. At the very least check cowtown and SPOT first.
Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
You're a clown if you think any of these trucks aside from mini logos are halfway decent. Get real dude.
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0146/2317/8809/products/BLACKSMITHSIZECHART5.5_bd47dd40-a33e-406b-8fc3-2ac6fb434981_631x254.jpg?v=1631894244)
Excellent clearance AND a rocker...
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0146/2317/8809/products/BLACKSMITHSIZECHART5.5_bd47dd40-a33e-406b-8fc3-2ac6fb434981_631x254.jpg?v=1631894244)
Excellent clearance AND a rocker...
what a waste of resources
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0146/2317/8809/products/BLACKSMITHSIZECHART5.5_bd47dd40-a33e-406b-8fc3-2ac6fb434981_631x254.jpg?v=1631894244)
Excellent clearance AND a rocker...
what a waste of resources
The rocker prevents you from grinding on the kingpin, genius by design
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/metal-silver-hollow-5-5-skateboard-trucks
I skated these while on holiday in Australia, $25 for a holiday complete. Not horrible, turned like a Venture.
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0146/2317/8809/products/BLACKSMITHSIZECHART5.5_bd47dd40-a33e-406b-8fc3-2ac6fb434981_631x254.jpg?v=1631894244)
Excellent clearance AND a rocker...
what a waste of resources
The rocker prevents you from grinding on the kingpin, genius by design
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/metal-silver-hollow-5-5-skateboard-trucks
I skated these while on holiday in Australia, $25 for a holiday complete. Not horrible, turned like a Venture.
Ventures have a pretty horrible turn lol
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Just to back up others points, you can find name brand trucks being blown out all the time so you don't have to commit to months of misery if you're trying to save some bucks. The big hook up is Zumiez sales online. They routinely blow out standard Ventures, Aces and usually the goony Thunder colorways at $30ish a pair with free shipping. Maybe snag some Mini-Logos for now and keep your eye out for those deals.
Fuck Zumiez, they dont even sponsor skateboarders. If you HAVE to buy from a big retailer at least try to make it one that actually sponsors skaters. CCS and Skatewarehouse. Always try an actual shop first, it usually takes more effort but often times you can find similar deals from legit shops. At the very least check cowtown and SPOT first.
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Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
You're a clown if you think any of these trucks aside from mini logos are halfway decent. Get real dude.
I'll get real.
You can 100% find off brands or clones that perform almost identically to the name brand trucks. It's not rocket surgery, they're using off the shelf alloys and with modern modeling and casting tech you can easily "steal" any design or geometry you want if that's your thing. As far as qc/quality.. There's plenty of solid trucks that come out of the same foundries and factories (theeve, destructo, gk, film etc), so much like wood and wheels you're mostly paying for a brand name/reputation.
... And that's fine. Those trucks that command a premium invested in R&D and all the marketing and sponsorship to build that reputation. Theres absolutely a reason they command a higher price, it's just usually not that they're objectively higher quality than lower priced ones.
I've skated basically every major truck and a sizable part of the obscure ones from the past 20 years. There's plenty of solid cheap trucks out there, but you just don't see them that much and most people are like you and have made a false equivalency between price and quality so they never try them. To put it another way, if I launched the Ace classic today at the $40 price point but didn't have an industry insider behind it, a killer team, and an ad campaign then you probably wouldn't buy it and assume it sucked.
There's absolutely plenty of garbage cheap and no name trucks, but there's good ones (beyond mini logos) as well and you're being naive if you think otherwise. Wasn't this place absolutely losing its collective mind over how great Royals are a few months ago?
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Just to back up others points, you can find name brand trucks being blown out all the time so you don't have to commit to months of misery if you're trying to save some bucks. The big hook up is Zumiez sales online. They routinely blow out standard Ventures, Aces and usually the goony Thunder colorways at $30ish a pair with free shipping. Maybe snag some Mini-Logos for now and keep your eye out for those deals.
Fuck Zumiez, they dont even sponsor skateboarders. If you HAVE to buy from a big retailer at least try to make it one that actually sponsors skaters. CCS and Skatewarehouse. Always try an actual shop first, it usually takes more effort but often times you can find similar deals from legit shops. At the very least check cowtown and SPOT first.
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Also anyone clowning on this thread is a muppet
'omg i can't believe you would not buy from core brand A that produces it's shit in the same chinese factory as non-core brand B but marks up the price by $20'
You're a clown if you think any of these trucks aside from mini logos are halfway decent. Get real dude.
I'll get real.
You can 100% find off brands or clones that perform almost identically to the name brand trucks. It's not rocket surgery, they're using off the shelf alloys and with modern modeling and casting tech you can easily "steal" any design or geometry you want if that's your thing. As far as qc/quality.. There's plenty of solid trucks that come out of the same foundries and factories (theeve, destructo, gk, film etc), so much like wood and wheels you're mostly paying for a brand name/reputation.
... And that's fine. Those trucks that command a premium invested in R&D and all the marketing and sponsorship to build that reputation. Theres absolutely a reason they command a higher price, it's just usually not that they're objectively higher quality than lower priced ones.
I've skated basically every major truck and a sizable part of the obscure ones from the past 20 years. There's plenty of solid cheap trucks out there, but you just don't see them that much and most people are like you and have made a false equivalency between price and quality so they never try them. To put it another way, if I launched the Ace classic today at the $40 price point but didn't have an industry insider behind it, a killer team, and an ad campaign then you probably wouldn't buy it and assume it sucked.
There's absolutely plenty of garbage cheap and no name trucks, but there's good ones (beyond mini logos) as well and you're being naive if you think otherwise. Wasn't this place absolutely losing its collective mind over how great Royals are a few months ago?
I was going to bring up R&D but you beat me to it, that's def an important difference.
And as far as royal goes, they may not be one of the big 4 but they have a long history and WAY more R&D when compared to these other brands.
Also, grind kings suck lol.
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I wanted to bump this thread to say that since riding a pair of independent trucks again, I can say that Bullet trucks are actually very inferior. This might come as a shock to you guys. I'd somehow forgotten what it was like to ride indys so my judgement was clouded. Sorry to anyone who might have gone out and bought bullet trucks because of this thread.
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I wanted to bump this thread to say that since riding a pair of independent trucks again, I can say that Bullet trucks are actually very inferior. This might come as a shock to you guys. I'd somehow forgotten what it was like to ride indys so my judgement was clouded. Sorry to anyone who might have gone out and bought bullet trucks because of this thread.
Trust me, this might be the farthest from "shocking" that something could actually be.
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At least you admitted your mistake.
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isnt made in USA kinda synonymous with assembled in USA these days?
kinda like how food in my local store can say product of Australia while using fruit from overseas or some shit.
nah cause if you lie you could get sued
This is from the FTC
Under the FTC's Enforcement Policy Statement on U.S. Origin Claims, a marketer can only make an unqualified claim that a product is of U.S. origin if such product is “all or virtually all made in the United States.” Federal Trade Commission, “Made in USA” and Other U.S. Origin Claims, 62 Fed
What are the penalties for Made in USA?
"The new rule codifies a broader range of remedies by the FTC, including the ability to seek redress, damages, penalties, and other relief from those who lie about a Made in USA label. It will enable the Commission for the first time to seek civil penalties of up to $43,280 per violation of the rule"