Tokyo banning BLM in olympics (USA skateboarding)

[culdesac]

She's a co-founder of BLM, not a "leader" or a "manager."  Also, based on the clip from the Marc Lamont Hill show (he said the critique came from the left) and the NY Post reporting, it is not just rightwingers that have an issue.

From the post article:

Hawk Newsome, the head of Black Lives Matter Greater New York City, which is not affiliated with Khan-Cullors’ Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, called for “an independent investigation” to find out how the global network spends its money.

“If you go around calling yourself a socialist, you have to ask how much of her own personal money is going to charitable causes,” he said. “It’s really sad because it makes people doubt the validity of the movement and overlook the fact that it’s the people that carry this movement.”

Newsome said, “We need black firms and black accountants to go in there and find out where the money is going.”

[cucktard]

I agree with all that.

And my takeaway is “be wary of anyone who calls themselves a ‘trained Marxist’”

[jakeumms]

Also wanna say really excellent redirection of the conversation. We are no longer talking about whether or not the Olympics is blowing it by not allowing BLM related speech and are now talking about if it's cool that "trained Marxists" participate in the capitalist structure they were born into.

For the record, NY Post is owned by the Murdochs and is about as unbiased as Fox News. As far as that Youtube clip, even after doing a web search I don't know who Qing Dynasty News is, but I do know that the news that they have uploaded to that account is all conservatively slanted and that particular video from early last month had 33 total views. If it walks and talks like a disinfo account...

[culdesac]

People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
 
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.

I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.

[eraserheadfuckers]

fuck the olympics. no one should support that shit. all they do is demand millions from city's to build up a ton of infrastructure that is ALWAYS abandoned. They do a ton of extra policing too and sweep out all the undesirables from nearby.

[lazer69]

People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
 
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.

I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.

the problem is bringing to light things that are unfavorable to the narrative.

[S.]

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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
 
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.

I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.

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the problem is bringing to light things that are unfavorable to the narrative.

I wouldn‘t cook you. But: why do you care so much if someone is a trained Marxist? Or if a trained Marxist owns capital or real estate? Do you know what Marxism is or are you only using it as a word to discredit the person and the cause?

The things you write may be 100 percent correct, but they are still Fox News style activism. You are trying to discredit a political movement, by trying to prove that the leaders are 1. dangerous, because Marxist=dangerous radical 2. they are hypocrites, because according to your standards they are not Marxist enough.
If you dislike BLM, why don’t you Engage with its ideas and reason against those?

By the way I think it is good news the leaders have read some Marx. To me it shows they may be able to grasp issues of inequality and economic discrimination on a deeper level.

[culdesac]

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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
 
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.

I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.

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the problem is bringing to light things that are unfavorable to the narrative.

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I wouldn‘t cook you. But: why do you care so much if someone is a trained Marxist? Or if a trained Marxist owns capital or real estate? Do you know what Marxism is or are you only using it as a word to discredit the person and the cause?

The things you write may be 100 percent correct, but they are still Fox News style activism. You are trying to discredit a political movement, by trying to prove that the leaders are 1. dangerous, because Marxist=dangerous radical 2. they are hypocrites, because according to your standards they are not Marxist enough.
If you dislike BLM, why don’t you Engage with its ideas and reason against those?

By the way I think it is good news the leaders have read some Marx. To me it shows they may be able to grasp issues of inequality and economic discrimination on a deeper level.

I actually agree with jakeumms that we should let the discussion return to the IOC's ruling. As far as I can tell BLM has done a great job getting their message out already and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask the athletes to keep the olympics free of politically related clothing and protests.

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People asked for links and links were provided. If you have information that refutes the reporting in The New York Post or Patrisse Cullors referring to herself and BLM co-founder Alicia Garza as “trained marxists,” I’d be curious to see it.
 
As far as the uploader of the clip, I have no clue who Qing Dynasty News is, but they posted the clip from her interview with Marc Lamont Hill where she addressed the controversy.

I do find it interesting that I’ve been kooked multiple times now and yet I have not posted anything factually incorrect, have not called anyone names, or argued for one ideological side over another.

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the problem is bringing to light things that are unfavorable to the narrative.

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I wouldn‘t cook you. But: why do you care so much if someone is a trained Marxist? Or if a trained Marxist owns capital or real estate? Do you know what Marxism is or are you only using it as a word to discredit the person and the cause?

The things you write may be 100 percent correct, but they are still Fox News style activism. You are trying to discredit a political movement, by trying to prove that the leaders are 1. dangerous, because Marxist=dangerous radical 2. they are hypocrites, because according to your standards they are not Marxist enough.
If you dislike BLM, why don’t you Engage with its ideas and reason against those?

By the way I think it is good news the leaders have read some Marx. To me it shows they may be able to grasp issues of inequality and economic discrimination on a deeper level.

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I actually agree with jakeumms that we should let the discussion return to the IOC's ruling. As far as I can tell BLM has done a great job getting their message out already and it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask the athletes to keep the olympics free of politically related clothing and protests.

I agree! Fuck the olympics! I hope athletes will find a way to do it anyways. Should be difficult to completely shut out free speech during live broadcasts.

[urbneathme]

Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.

[DaleSr]

I'm sorry but i really don't care if Patrisse says she's "a trained Marxist" and owns a lot of real estate. If she wants to become a landlord or do whatever she wants to do with the property, then who cares. It has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of a movement, not an organization. Patrisse should be called out, because what she did is super sketchy. Anyone who uses a social movement to siphon off money and cash out is pretty morally bankrupt. But she didn't "start" the struggle of black Americans against oppression. She's just a current figure, albeit a fraudulent one, in the long history of fighting this country's white supremacy

[culdesac]

Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.

Just call me a racist. That's clearly the implication you're making. But if your argument is that my posts on here citing factually correct information about Patrisse Cullors is trying to undermine the validity of words then I think you've got a pretty weak case.

Like I said, I think we'd be better served at this point to return to the original topic.

[urbneathme]

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Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.

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Just call me a racist. That's clearly the implication you're making. But if your argument is that my posts on here citing factually correct information about Patrisse Cullors is trying to undermine the validity of words then I think you've got a pretty weak case.

Like I said, I think we'd be better served at this point to return to the original topic.

okay. to be clear, i think unequivocally you’re a racist. i think anyone looking to undermine a racial equality movement for any reason is a racist. that seems fairly obvious to me. i would just hope that you have a shred of decency somewhere within you to figure out why the idea of black lives mattering upsets you so deeply. if your issue was someone using a social movement for personal gain, especially nefarious personal gain, i would be totally on board with you. that’s clearly not the case. i hope you look deep down and figure out why you think the lives of black people don’t matter. racism is an vital thing to confront in yourself. i really hope you do it.

[culdesac]

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Matter. really consider that your problem is with one or more of three words. Black. Lives. Matter. really, really investigate why you have enough of a problem with one of those three words to dedicate days of your life to writing on a skateboard message board to try to undermine the words Black. Lives. Matter. i hope you do some soul searching to see why those three words upset you so much.

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Just call me a racist. That's clearly the implication you're making. But if your argument is that my posts on here citing factually correct information about Patrisse Cullors is trying to undermine the validity of words then I think you've got a pretty weak case.

Like I said, I think we'd be better served at this point to return to the original topic.

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okay. to be clear, i think unequivocally you’re a racist. i think anyone looking to undermine a racial equality movement for any reason is a racist. that seems fairly obvious to me. i would just hope that you have a shred of decency somewhere within you to figure out why the idea of black lives mattering upsets you so deeply. if your issue was someone using a social movement for personal gain, especially nefarious personal gain, i would be totally on board with you. that’s clearly not the case. i hope you look deep down and figure out why you think the lives of black people don’t matter. racism is an vital thing to confront in yourself. i really hope you do it.

When did I say the lives of black people don't matter? You've jumped to your own conclusions and are now arguing on behalf of your logical leap.

[baaaaaaguette]

Congrats you turned this thread in a instagram comment section

[Hevonen]

I'm fine with no organized political messaging in sports. There's like 200 countries so if everyone starts bringing politics into it it'll get real messy. Would also quickly turn into athletes getting payed, pressured or forced to promote some political agenda they might not even care about. If you're passionate enough about a cause then shout it out in the finals on live TV and take the fine

[culdesac]

Congrats you turned this thread in a instagram comment section

I've said multiple times we should return to the topic at hand and I'll say it a third time now. I think Hevonen makes some great points and agree with him.

[S.]

I'm fine with no organized political messaging in sports. There's like 200 countries so if everyone starts bringing politics into it it'll get real messy. Would also quickly turn into athletes getting payed, pressured or forced to promote some political agenda they might not even care about. If you're passionate enough about a cause then shout it out in the finals on live TV and take the fine

The problem is that large sporting events are always used for political means. For example The host countries in the past few years have very much used the Olympic Games to improve their image and to downplay political problems. Remember the games in China? Remember the Sochi winter games? The Olympic Games in Nazi Germany?

There are a lot of codes an rules in place already for a lot of countries national teams. Iran for example does not acknowledge Israel. Since for them Israel is not a state they don‘t let their athletes compete against Israelis. If a matchup is about to happen in Judo or wrestling for example their athletes have to avoid it by losing the previous match on purpose or by dropping out.
I am also pretty sure it is not possible to be openly gay as a member of the Russian team.

If the US forbids its team members to talk about issues of race isn‘t that also deeply political?

[shenmue16]

IOC did not ban BLM, it was never allowed. Political messages have never been allowed. This isn't something new and the majority of people complaining about this don't even remember the Black Power fist at the '68 Olympics.
I am a Winter Olympic kind of guy but I frankly couldn't care less about them not allowing BLM or knees to be taken. It's just drawing eye rolls at this point. Focus on sports.

[Matthew_James]

Leave it to the MSM to fuck a story up just to turn it into clickbait...

[Skimper]

Fuck Tokyo and the Olympics no ones gonna watch that shit

[NorthShore]

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I'm fine with no organized political messaging in sports. There's like 200 countries so if everyone starts bringing politics into it it'll get real messy. Would also quickly turn into athletes getting payed, pressured or forced to promote some political agenda they might not even care about. If you're passionate enough about a cause then shout it out in the finals on live TV and take the fine

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The problem is that large sporting events are always used for political means. For example The host countries in the past few years have very much used the Olympic Games to improve their image and to downplay political problems. Remember the games in China? Remember the Sochi winter games? The Olympic Games in Nazi Germany?

There are a lot of codes an rules in place already for a lot of countries national teams. Iran for example does not acknowledge Israel. Since for them Israel is not a state they don‘t let their athletes compete against Israelis. If a matchup is about to happen in Judo or wrestling for example their athletes have to avoid it by losing the previous match on purpose or by dropping out.
I am also pretty sure it is not possible to be openly gay as a member of the Russian team.

If the US forbids its team members to talk about issues of race isn‘t that also deeply political?

Great points you made here, was going to say the same about the Russian and 1936 Olympics.

The Olympics have a tradition of 'staying out of politics' forever, yet let themselves be hijacked by regimes and oppressive states.

One thing that's dope about the Olympics is that athletes from any country and backgrounds can get together and compete peacefully and see who's best at sports. Until the US whoops everyone at basketball!

[TheLurper]

^^as a skateboarder there is nothing I enjoy more than competition, seeing who is the best at winning at sport, and performing for people who don't know how to do the activity they're watching.



Most Japanese citizens don't want the stupid ass Olympics this year. The IOC needs to disband and they need to put this whole event in the sky.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/10/tokyo-olympics-poll-shows-60-of-japanese-people-want-games-cancelled

Edit:
Doctors aren't backing it either.
Cancel The Olympics, Says Tokyo Doctors Association https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/18/997864248/cancel-the-olympics-says-tokyo-doctors-association?sc=18&f=1001