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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Still Tippin on May 17, 2016, 09:13:16 AM
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/17/mike-carroll-on-the-future-of-crailtap/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/17/mike-carroll-on-the-future-of-crailtap/)
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Shots fired. Crail had a amazing run. Sad time in skateboard industry.
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Wow, no sugar coating how he feels on MJ.
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
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yea it would be better if there were no repercussions for being a shifty hypocrite that lies to your longtime friends
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:'(
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What are you gonna do with that upcoming Marc Johnson Lakai product? What does a company usually do when this sort of thing happens?
Send it all to his fucking house, COD with a fucking strap on, and no vaseline. Well what we�re gonna do now, first things first, I�m gonna kick him off Chocolate. I�m not gonna text him, so he can read this or someone can tell him. Maybe he�s already quit in his mind, who knows. Marc, is kicked off of Chocolate as of right now. We�ll deal with whatever we have to deal with.
Damn son
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Am I the only person that would expect this from MJ? Amazing skater but loyalty isn't his strong point
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There's two sides to every story, but if it's true that MJ straight up lied to Carroll like that, he's a fucking arsehole. Let's see if Marc responds.
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
He has some immunity because he's been a legend forever? Fuck that. the fact that he just lied the day before is bullshit, dodging texts and calls. Man up Marc.
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Damn, that sours me on MJ. He's one of my favorites but for him to treat his friends of 10+ years like that is so underhanded and shady. MJ gonna have to find a new board sponsor and hope they disregard everything Mike just said. And the passion in his words makes it seem like his lying as always been an issue
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Holy fuck, that was a great interview. He did not pull any punches.
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Damn.. I really can't wait to hear what MJ has to say about his side of the story. He went from one of the most respected guys in skateboarding to one of the shadiest with the way he handled his exit from Lakai.
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Damn. This is the heaviest interview in a very long time. Wow.
Two all time legends. Pretty hard to read.
Guess we're never going to get that extra MJ part edited to Chemical Brothers?
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maybe carroll can CGI a bunch of dicks into the footage or something
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yea it would be better if there were no repercussions for being a shifty hypocrite that lies to your longtime friends
Let's be clear, if this thing went down the way MC puts it, that was a shitty move on MJ's part. No need to discuss this.
However, calling out a longtime friend and a longtime A-class employee in public is even more lame. At least in my book.
At the end of the day, we have two grown-ass men acting like immature teenagers.
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the first thing to cross my mind after reading that ,was if jerry's gonna stay on choc or not ?!?!
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I feel bad for Jerry it seems like Marc was his connection to chocolate and now he is gone
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Page keeps crashing on me, I'm guessing everyone in the industry is reading this right now. Anybody care to copy and paste the juicy bits?
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At the end of the day, we have two grown-ass men acting like immature teenagers.
And at the end of the day skateboarding is a wooden toy for children, right?
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I can't wait for two days after the MJ interview when someone chops out all the unnecessary rambling horse shit from his responses.
Petty, sure, but pretty hilarious that Carroll kicked him off chocolate via a jenkem interview. A new precedent has been set.
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oh my god....is this for real? that was fucking savage....when's the follow up jenkem interview with marc??
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
He has some immunity because he's been a legend forever? Fuck that. the fact that he just lied the day before is bullshit, dodging texts and calls. Man up Marc.
No. That has little to do with it. I think it's lame to call out people on the internet like that. I mean MJ just found out he's kicked off Chocolate via an interview on the internet.
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Bitch move by MJ and Mike Carroll has every right to call him out. More calling out is needed in the skate Industry.
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Jenkem traffic overload, site down
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Need a new board. Gonna buy a Mike Carroll after this
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
He has some immunity because he's been a legend forever? Fuck that. the fact that he just lied the day before is bullshit, dodging texts and calls. Man up Marc.
No. That has little to do with it. I think it's lame to call out people on the internet like that. I mean MJ just found out he's kicked off Chocolate via an interview on the internet.
But quitting in a video announcement is cool?
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the man who souled the world 2: carroll edition
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Best interview ever. Backing MC.
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
He has some immunity because he's been a legend forever? Fuck that. the fact that he just lied the day before is bullshit, dodging texts and calls. Man up Marc.
No. That has little to do with it. I think it's lame to call out people on the internet like that. I mean MJ just found out he's kicked off Chocolate via an interview on the internet.
And Carroll had to find out MJ was officially on addidas by other people telling him they announced it at the Away Days premiere..
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Best thing Carroll has put out since Modus Operandi
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
He has some immunity because he's been a legend forever? Fuck that. the fact that he just lied the day before is bullshit, dodging texts and calls. Man up Marc.
No. That has little to do with it. I think it's lame to call out people on the internet like that. I mean MJ just found out he's kicked off Chocolate via an interview on the internet.
But quitting in a video announcement is cool?
No, I said it wasn't.
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First off, that interview was awesome.
I would've never guessed it went down like that in a million years. It sucks to hear that someone you look up to and admire, in the skateboard world, would come off as such an, I don't know, back stabbing asshole. Then again, he's only human, and humans make dumb decisions based on self preservation. I'd be willing to bet he (Marc) is now wishing it didn't go down this way. The fact that Crailtap doesn't use contracts and relies solely on handshake agreements, it'd just be common courtesy to at least give them a heads up as to what's going on. I knew, before reading this, that him leaving Lakai was going to be the nail in the coffin for his stay on Chocolate. Wouldn't have imagined it would have gone down like this though.
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Fucking insanity.
Honestly, kind of ill to see MJ getting shot down like that.
Dude rips but comes off as such a pompous asshole.
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This interview: SLAP's Mana fully restored (http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/d/d6/HealthBar.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124062254)
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Respect for Carroll. It seems he was really bummed on cutting MJ's pay and even went the extra mile to help him transition to Adidas as long as he could still help out the Crail camp for a little longer. I've been looking at the comments here about MJ being a hypocrite and wishfully thinking that the Crailtap guys screwed him over somehow which led to him renege on his stance of big corporate brands and bounce to Adidas. Sadly, this seems to not be the case.
I don't think Carroll would call out MJ like this if this weren't true.
There's two sides to every story, so I'm eager to hear how MJ will respond, but man that's some sketchy shit MJ pulled.
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damn, already off the teampage. Where do you think he will end up?
Donkey punch
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Mike Carroll is the fucking best.
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What gets me is him calling him a pathological liar. As in has this always been an issue with MJ that we wouldn't know about since we don't know him personally. Like they've been dealing with his lies for years but disregard based on his talent and marketability. Either way this is an all around bummer. I wish they'd of touched on Biebel and his departure from lakai and whether or not he did it with class or not. This is all a bummer for crailtap either way.
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Oh boy... that's some heavy stuff.
In my opinion, no matter what MJ did, I think it's really lame to call him out like that.
He has some immunity because he's been a legend forever? Fuck that. the fact that he just lied the day before is bullshit, dodging texts and calls. Man up Marc.
No. That has little to do with it. I think it's lame to call out people on the internet like that. I mean MJ just found out he's kicked off Chocolate via an interview on the internet.
And Carroll had to find out MJ was officially on addidas by other people telling him they announced it at the Away Days premiere..
Again, I didn't say that was cool at all. Quite the opposite. I just think it's not cool to tell the whole world about it either.
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Someone copy paste interview. Website is down
Skateboarding always likes to refer to itself as one big family. No matter how many billions of dollars the industry makes, we want to see company owners and riders bosses and employees relate like brothers (and sisters). Its a mindset that stems from skateboardings earliest ancestors, but one of the later advocates of this value system is Mike Carroll. As co-founder of Girl skateboards and Lakai footwear, few skaters have embodied the skater-run imperative better than Carroll, and few skaters have performed more stylishly on a board as well.
But, with the combination of big brands and outside money coming in at a time when our favorite skaters are aging into retirement, that family mentality seems to eroding. Its impossible not to notice the rapid changes. In an ironic twist it seems skateboarders have created an industry too valuable for them to solely run anymore.
Carrolls companies have not been spared from this hostile environment. Gino, Mariano and Koston all dipped from Girl and Chocolate earlier this year, and now Marc Johnson, formerly of Lakai, was just announced as a new rider for Adidas. We heard the MJ news on Saturday morning, and before we could even process the ramifications we got a surprise call from Mike Carroll himself wanting to go on record about whats happening at Lakai and what the future of the Crail camp entails.
photo: ben colen
photo: ben colen
Youve had a lot of team changes and internal changes recently at Girl and Lakai. Is there anything going on that we should know, or is it just coincidence and timing?
I can only speculate what peoples reasons were. I think it just comes down to 40 year old men making grown man decisions. People tend to forget, especially when youre 15 or 25 and the only thing you have to think about is skating and you dont have to think about anything else except rent and utility bills. These guys have houses and children and wives to think about. If they wanted to learn job skills outside of skateboarding, thats something that they maybe could have got here but theres a different culture that isnt handed down from working at a skateboard company, that 17 and 19 year olds started.
After Koston and Guy left I expected a bigger announcement or something than just the mellow Instagram post you guys put out. Were there any other plans?
Yeah, that was unfortunate. Eric definitely deserved more celebration than just that Instagram post. He has done so much for so many years for that to happen like that. Theres a lot more behind why it had to go down like that.. It wasnt Erics fault and it wasnt really our fault. Some announcements started moving quicker than we were being told and we just had to go ahead and do the quick post that we did unfortunately. But Ive got nothing bad to say about them, and hopefully they have nothing to say about us.
Since Guy and Koston left, have you run into them at Biebels park and is it an awkward ex-girlfiend thing?
[Laughs] You know what, I go there all the time and theyre never there so I went there once when they were there, but no, it wasnt an awkward ex-girlfriend thing. The decisions are a lot different at this age when you have children and are providing for a family. If someone wants to bounce, theres no reason to hold them into it, but thats kind of something that has bit us in the ass a little bit. Weve always had a thing where we dont have contracts.
But I think when Brian [Anderson] and Alex [Olson] left, that made us kind of think twice about that because we just asked them to chill for a second so we could sell off some stuff but, you know, Alex just wanted to get it done and talk about it a little too quick.
Thats cool you never did contracts with your riders.
For Girl and Chocolate we never had contracts, but with Lakai we always have. I think thats gonna probably change pretty soon, just because obviously weve noticed that nothing lasts forever So it was always just a handshake thing. If youre not down for anything, then you can bounce, just give us the courtesy, stuff like that. That was one thing that we tried to do, but it doesnt work in this day and age.
photo: ben colen
photo: ben colen
What are Girl and Lakai up to, are you guys doing any new videos?
Were working on a Lakai video. The Lakai dudes have been traveling, so that will be the next bigger project. Federico [Vitetta] has been filming a lot, Daniel Wheatley has been filming a lot. I think Meza is helping us with doing a couple of the rough cuts right now, so he probably might be editing the video. But yeah, Federico and Wheatley are pretty much the main dudes.
Is Mike Mo skating again? I know he got hurt badly.
Yeah, hes starting to skate. He can do a couple tricks, but his foot isnt 100% yet, so its pretty gnarly. Id be going insane if I was him, dealing with what hes dealt with. I think he stretched his nerve or something when he twisted his knee. He stretched his nerve, so his foot was basically paralyzed. Its called drop foot. He would wear a brace that had a spring in it that lifts his toes up when he wants. So like if he was just standing there and just picked up his foot his foot would just dangle like you could take a razor blade to it and he wouldnt even feel it.
Hs just itching to skate and when you see him he does shit so proper and in the state that hes in it just gets me stoked for him. Whatever Im feeling hes feeling times a million probably. I just know hes a fucking skate rat, thats just all he wants to do his whole life.
Do you know if Mike Mo ever faced repercussions for getting in an accident with those kids?
I think driving that golf cart, the repercussions, whether deserved or not happened to him. Not being able to skate this long, thats probably one of the worst repercussions you could probably get. And on the bright side nobody else got hurt at his responsibility.
photo: ben colen
photo: ben colen
Who has the best selling Girl board right now?
Me
Yeah. [Laughs] What about Malto?
Yeah, of course me the kids love 40 year olds. Nah, Im kidding. I dont know. I think it fluctuates, but I think its probably Jereme Rogers, because we are still secretly selling J Casanova collab boards.
Apparently the infamous Crailtap park is gone? What happened?
We got rid of the park because we had another off-site warehouse that carried Fourstar and Lakai and it just got to the point where it didnt make sense to have that second warehouse. So we consolidated and brought everything in under the same site. But I think were gonna try to make room within the next year so we can put a park back.
Theres been rumors for a while that Marc Johnson was going to leave Lakai.. then he really did leave to Adidas. What happened?
The rumors have been around for years. They have been hitting Marc up for years. He was courteous enough years ago to let us know they offered him something, and we were able to match it at that time. It was all good. I dont think it was something he wanted to do at the time, he wanted to stay on Lakai.
Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some peoples pay, him being included. But he was understanding and we talked about it.
Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again. For years he was greatly paid and we did our best to not touch him at all. Even throughout the financial struggles, we didnt make any pay cuts to him while other ones were going down. He was highly protected when it came to that stuff, but it came to a point where there was nowhere else to cut.
We had to reduce pay and I just told him, you know what, this sucks. Youve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldnt feel comfortable asking you to stick around. We talked for a while, and I knew he was going to go skate for them. Everybody started talking about the rumors again, but it was a mutual thing and fully respectful. It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, You should probably take a better offer, because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy. Hes almost 40 years old, I think at this age you should go get yours. And if he was gonna stay on, I didnt want him to be resentful for the decision.
I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while. But I knew it was asking for a lot. But thats what hes getting paid for Then I heard more rumors and I hit him up for a couple of days and he wasnt responding so I had to be blunt. I was like, Hey, Ive been hearing these rumors that you are about to be announced at the Away Days premiere. Whats the deal with this? I thought he was going to be on the team through at least the summer or July.
Then he finally got back to me, but was just like, No, theres no announcement who would say that? So I asked him again, Theres no announcement tomorrow? Hes like, No. Then the next day, the night of the premiere I just get a text, Marc was just announced in the video. I was just like that is insane. Last night on the phone he said nothing was happening.
He could have called me, he could have talked to me, and said thats a little too long to wait and keep quiet, because of certain agreements pending, or whatever. Were friends, lets talk about it. Or if its not a friend thing, lets get the lawyers to talk about it.
photo: nick zegel
photo: nick zegel
Did you guys work it out? Are you guys talking now?
His only response was, Did you read the agreement? insinuating that there was something wrong with it. Besides that he hasnt responded to me. He wont respond to me. He lied straight to my face. He told me nothing was going to happen. I would have done anything to make that agreement what he wanted. It was just like for him to boldly lie to me on the phone. It was so disrespectful. It was disrespectful to the team, it ruined their night, its fucked up the team has to find out that way. You think you have a relationship with someone
Just to be clear, you told him to go take other offers though So you arent mad at him leaving, you are bummed that he didnt give you more time?
Im mad that he told me, point blank the night before the premiere, that there would be no announcements and that he would talk to his lawyer and wed figure all that out. All the people that work hard for him, that design his shoes, the salespeople, production people, the team everybody that works for Lakai was there and for them to show up to the premiere and get blindsided like that We didnt do anything to him to deserve that. For them to find out that way? It just makes us look like fucking idiots, because this dude is a pathological liar. He couldnt be man enough to tell me straight up.
The night before the premiere, when Marc and I talked, he couldve told me I would have been mad but at least he wouldve been honest and I couldve called the team and told them instead of them finding out like that. He recently had things come up personally and I respect his privacy and distance. Im just truly disappointed how he went about this. Im curious to see what he has to say for himself. I cant wait to see what type of lie he is going to say to justify his action.
IT JUST MAKES US LOOK LIKE FUCKING IDIOTS, BECAUSE THIS DUDE IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
What are you gonna do with that upcoming Marc Johnson Lakai product? What does a company usually do when this sort of thing happens?
Send it all to his fucking house, COD with a fucking strap on, and no vaseline. Well what were gonna do now, first things first, Im gonna kick him off Chocolate. Im not gonna text him, so he can read this or someone can tell him. Maybe hes already quit in his mind, who knows. Marc, is kicked off of Chocolate as of right now. Well deal with whatever we have to deal with. Shoe wise we have a lot of shoe production in the works Normally when this happens to companies wed usually take legal action, but thats something we think is not in our character to do. But Im starting to consider it, but thats not really on the top of our priority list.
Uhh, Is there any way you guys can figure it out or he can make it up to you in your mind?
I thought we had a pretty good relationship. But now that we dont have a working relationship, period, I dont see why well come across each other. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Theres somewhat of a good dude in there, but when he becomes the liar guy and cant count on him for anything Hes an amazing skateboarder, dont get me wrong, hes seriously one of the best skateboarders ever, but there comes a time, amazing skateboarder or not, if you arent a truthful person I dont fuck with anyone that isnt truthful.
photo: ben colen
photo: ben colen
I have a funny theory I wanted to share with you.
Oh yeah? I have one too. 20 year theory.
Oh yeah? Whats that?
I have a 20-year theory. When we started celebrating 20 years of Girl, Brian [Anderson] and Alex [Olson] quit. When we started celebrating 20 years of Chocolate, Gino [Iannucci] quit. No good things happen at 20 years.
So the moral is, just cut your company off at 19, before the curse starts?
Yeah, I would say that. I think thats the best company policy to have. Just an exit plan at 19 years. [Laughs]
Or skip that year and dont mention it and just go from 19 to 21
Yeah like elevator floors. 20 is the new 13
photo: ben colen
photo: ben colen
Well heres the funny theory I read online that big shoe companies in skateboarding are backing these small independent board brands to flood the hardgood market so brands like yours [Crailtap] or Dwindle [before Fallen went out of business] have to spend their time and resources worrying about their declining board sales rather than paying attention to their shoe brands [Lakai].
[Laughs] I think theyre gnarly enough to think like that because, I forget who was telling me, but they worked at one of those big shoe companies, and they have their 5 year plan meetings and there is a part of that to figure out who to take out. Whats their strategy. Like How are we going to fuckin get this company out of our way? And they just focus in on specific companies, its so gnarly dude. But I think skating is rad because youve got Real, FA, Creature theres so many different companies and they MAKE skateboarding, and these other companies that want to take out companies Its like dude, you exist already, you dont need to take these companies down. You dont need every single skater, but whatever.
Did I tell you about how fuckin regular that dude Kaspar is? Remember with Karsten [Kleppan], when we put out the intro to Lakai video part and then a week later Karsten got on Nike? Its just like, what the fuck. And then that dude Kaspar hit up Sam [Lakai's Team Manager] and was like, I know that Karstens off of Lakai now, but we want to get him off of Element. We want to get him on a cool company, would you guys be down to sponsor him for Girl? Its like, are you that regular? You really think that thats cool? We were super stoked Karsten Kleppan was on Lakai. We just put out an intro part with him but he basically just bounced, and then that dude Kaspar was trying to get him on Girl like whatever dude, fuck that. That Kaspar dude is a kook.
I almost feel like you guys got targeted
[Laughs] Id like to think that someone made a master plan, like ok, this is how were going to take out Fourstar, Lakai, Girl and Chocolate. Im just kidding. Well I mean, we are targeted because we put a lot of thought into the guys we have on our team, and the guys we hire. They are sick and what we do is sick so thats why they target us. They want our formula, fool. [laughs]
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boy, jenkem is making a name for itself airing all the dirty laundry as it happens in the industry. was pretty funny that they didn't even reference MJ's prior jenkem interview where he bashed on what he's doing right now. can't wait to see if he'll have a rebuttal. i wouldn't be surprised if Carroll has some dirt on his hands too...
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What gets me is him calling him a pathological liar. As in has this always been an issue with MJ that we wouldn't know about since we don't know him personally. Like they've been dealing with his lies for years but disregard based on his talent and marketability. Either way this is an all around bummer. I wish they'd of touched on Biebel and his departure from lakai and whether or not he did it with class or not. This is all a bummer for crailtap either way.
Beibel is still on Girl. I'd say that things are good with Crail and him.
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Holy damn!
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Mike Carroll is the fucking man.
I wonder what Jerry thinks of all this? Marc is already off the Chocolate team page, so that wasn't a joke.
So shitty for all the Lakai employees and team riders to be at a premier and be blindsided like that. Mike is sticking up for his people, which I respect.
Also I found it interesting that Lakai was able to match an Adidas offer.
Marc of friends.
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name off the site now, it was on when the interview was posted.
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What gets me is him calling him a pathological liar. As in has this always been an issue with MJ that we wouldn't know about since we don't know him personally. Like they've been dealing with his lies for years but disregard based on his talent and marketability. Either way this is an all around bummer. I wish they'd of touched on Biebel and his departure from lakai and whether or not he did it with class or not. This is all a bummer for crailtap either way.
I guess since Carroll or Crailtap hasn't said anything, I guess it was done respectfully and (somewhat) mutually.
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Crail shoulda waited and had Owen Wilson announce MJ was of Chocolate at the next Away Days premier
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Mike Carroll is the fucking man. Really sucks because MJ is one of my all time favorite pros as well, but Carroll probably is #1.
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damn, already off the teampage. Where do you think he will end up?
Clearly not Friendship
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biebel on primitive
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Carroll broke the Internet.
Has anyone seen Mj in adidas yet? There has been footage of daewon. I would love it if this is all a massive crailtap prank. I just don't see why he would quit at the start of a new season when his shoes are half the catalog.
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Carroll broke the Internet.
Has anyone seen Mj in adidas yet? There has been footage of daewon. I would love it if this is all a massive crailtap prank. I just don't see why he would quit at the start of a new season when his shoes are half the catalog.
What are you regular?
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He didnt really go into detail about what the future holds for crailtap other than a Lakai vid in the works. Was hoping hed clear the air on the rumors of fourstar closing its doors. But im guessing that means everything will be good still in the crail camp other than the MJ thing??
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part of me really thinks this is all an joke
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nothing like leaving your already struggling shoe company with who knows how many hundreds of thousands of dollars of almost worthless product
they just started making the cupsole versions of his shit too
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What gets me is him calling him a pathological liar. As in has this always been an issue with MJ that we wouldn't know about since we don't know him personally. Like they've been dealing with his lies for years but disregard based on his talent and marketability.
Most people disregarded it at the time, but I think Ty Evans said something similar in a recent interview...
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On the one hand, I respect a strong "no spoilers" policy...
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Carroll mentions that MJ had some personal stuff come up lately. Anyone else think MJ fell off the wagon and is in a very bad place?
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part of me really thinks this is all an joke
the most elaborate, unfunny joke ever.
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Damn that's intense too.
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Carroll mentions that MJ had some personal stuff come up lately. Anyone else think MJ fell off the wagon and is in a very bad place?
he's used that excuse one too many times.
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Jerry pointed out in an interview that Marc always leaves a board company shortly after he gets on. I honestly didn't think it was going to be the case this time.
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Carroll mentions that MJ had some personal stuff come up lately. Anyone else think MJ fell off the wagon and is in a very bad place?
Wouldn't be surprising, especially since that typo-ridden Instagram post from Chocolate said he disappears and lies regularly.
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What gets me is him calling him a pathological liar. As in has this always been an issue with MJ that we wouldn't know about since we don't know him personally. Like they've been dealing with his lies for years but disregard based on his talent and marketability. Either way this is an all around bummer. I wish they'd of touched on Biebel and his departure from lakai and whether or not he did it with class or not. This is all a bummer for crailtap either way.
Beibel is still on Girl. I'd say that things are good with Crail and him.
Biebel will eventually leave. At this point with Marc off, I can see him starting his own company. Hell, Diamond might as well start a brand with how they are becoming.
This is like watching an ex girlfriend leave for another man (pun intended). This is crazy and I am sure a lot of this was a misunderstanding but man if I know one thing, never fucking lie to anyone cause that is just the last straw. I can't imagine Adidas (since Adidas is seen as this nice corporate company) was pushing Marc to get on ASAP, so I am sure Marc was just fed up with things and said fuck it.
Some rad shit would be Marc going back to Enjoi.
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MJ was lurking with Blondie McCoy at the NYC premiere. Hah, that is still very funny to me.
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All I know is this is a sad day for skateboarding. MJ has always been one of my favorites, partially because he always sounded so honest in interviews, not just cause he rips... But now this is making me rethink what I thought I knew about him.
I wasn't stoked on him going to Adidas, but I could deal with it... but the way this all went down just bums me out.
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Jenkem is like TMZ of skateboarding.
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I'm curious how Carroll feels about Guy, he really only mentions how Eric deserved more in the question about those two leaving Girl.
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Jerry pointed out in an interview that Marc always leaves a board company shortly after he gets on. I honestly didn't think it was going to be the case this time.
Being on chocolate for over a decade is not a short time, and he didn't leave. He got kicked off, so what's your point?
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Jerry pointed out in an interview that Marc always leaves a board company shortly after he gets on. I honestly didn't think it was going to be the case this time.
Being on chocolate for over a decade is not a short time, and he didn't leave. He got kicked off, so what's your point?
After Jerry gets on, Marc leaves... Jesus Christ...
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You know it's drama, but
it sound real good.
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What gets me is him calling him a pathological liar. As in has this always been an issue with MJ that we wouldn't know about since we don't know him personally. Like they've been dealing with his lies for years but disregard based on his talent and marketability. Either way this is an all around bummer. I wish they'd of touched on Biebel and his departure from lakai and whether or not he did it with class or not. This is all a bummer for crailtap either way.
Beibel is still on Girl. I'd say that things are good with Crail and him.
Biebel will eventually leave. At this point with Marc off, I can see him starting his own company. Hell, Diamond might as well start a brand with how they are becoming.
This is like watching an ex girlfriend leave for another man (pun intended). This is crazy and I am sure a lot of this was a misunderstanding but man if I know one thing, never fucking lie to anyone cause that is just the last straw. I can't imagine Adidas (since Adidas is seen as this nice corporate company) was pushing Marc to get on ASAP, so I am sure Marc was just fed up with things and said fuck it.
Some rad shit would be Marc going back to Enjoi.
Or Biebel back to Expedition
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Part of me thinks kids won't care about what shoes a 40 year old man wears, but this makes me sick.
Looks like adidas pulled a fast one on us and really is just another Nike SB.
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That interview was like the vogue battle death drop move of interviews.
Best Drag Queen Entrance EVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrW0kySM6CE#)
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Jenkem is like TMZ of skateboarding.
Ride Channel disagrees. Jenkem at least has quotes from the horses mouth. Fucking Ride Channel can't wait to copy and paste their article into their website saying they had breaking news.
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A raging alcoholic who falls off the wagon can end up in a really bad place really fast. Normally the alcoholism keeps getting worse even when the person isn't drinking. When they go back they often drink at the new, higher level and their body isn't ready for it and the person can die. My mom is in AA and mentioned this to me after a few people she knew in the program fell off and died.
Yeah, what MJ did is lame, but it isn't that big of a deal if it is a precursor to his personal life falling apart or worse. Honestly, I'm more concerned about what is happening to MJ 's personal life than MC having a tough time selling shoes.
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Carroll mentions that MJ had some personal stuff come up lately. Anyone else think MJ fell off the wagon and is in a very bad place?
he's used that excuse one too many times.
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Jenkem is like TMZ of skateboarding.
Ride Channel disagrees. Jenkem at least has quotes from the horses mouth. Fucking Ride Channel can't wait to copy and paste their article into their website saying they had breaking news.
Ha already up.
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I love MJ but that sounds like the most Marc Johnson way to leave a company. Im backing Carroll 100% However idk what Jerry Hsu is going to do
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Jenkem is like TMZ of skateboarding.
Ride Channel disagrees. Jenkem at least has quotes from the horses mouth. Fucking Ride Channel can't wait to copy and paste their article into their website saying they had breaking news.
yeah this couldn't be further from accurate. jenkem is good shit. ride channel is garbage. if they hired me their title blocks may actually be worth reading.
marc johnson just got kicked off chocolate
no more christmas carroll's for marc.
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Yeah I dunno, the first skate video I ever saw was modus, and the first part that got me psyched (and still does) was mjs, if all this is true, and it very well may be, then I can't hold marc johnson to a high standard in skateboarding as I have all these years. Oh well, I Just hope crailtap has a plan for survival
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also im suprised how many people are viewing this thread
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I'm curious how Carroll feels about Guy, he really only mentions how Eric deserved more in the question about those two leaving Girl.
I was also curious about this.
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Jenkem is like TMZ of skateboarding.
Ride Channel disagrees. Jenkem at least has quotes from the horses mouth. Fucking Ride Channel can't wait to copy and paste their article into their website saying they had breaking news.
There goes Ali Wong's 15 minutes of skateboard fame
Ha already up.
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Hah!
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MC Talking about what that Kasper dude did at the end of the interview almost confirms what Sporting-company apologists keep denying. The shoe companies are powerful enough now to be trading dudes between board companies because a marketing guy in a cubicle has drawn up an "image plan strategy" for a "hot new prospect" or some bullshit like that.
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Quote from: ungzilla on Today at 09:18:45 AM
they just started making the cupsole versions of his shit too
was really considering trying those too...
just wait till this summer and hit up buyskateshoes.com , they'll be dirt cheap.
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Jenkem is like TMZ of skateboarding.
Ride Channel disagrees. Jenkem at least has quotes from the horses mouth. Fucking Ride Channel can't wait to copy and paste their article into their website saying they had breaking news.
yeah this couldn't be further from accurate. jenkem is good shit. ride channel is garbage. if they hired me their title blocks may actually be worth reading.
marc johnson just got kicked off chocolate
no more christmas carroll's for marc.
Marc Johnson really Fudged up this time
Chocolate melts Marc off the team amid scandal
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mj is skateboarding so bojack horseman now.
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Oh yeah? Whats that?
I have a 20-year theory. When we started celebrating 20 years of Girl, Brian [Anderson] and Alex [Olson] quit. When we started celebrating 20 years of Chocolate, Gino [Iannucci] quit. No good things happen at 20 years.
This answer makes me think that the Fourstar rumor must be true. Fourstar was founded in 1996 ...
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also im suprised how many people are viewing this thread
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However idk what Jerry Hsu is going to do
Drop an incredible part in Emerica - Made 2 and keep skating for chocolate because he has nothing to do with this?
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Jenkem traffic overload, site down
slap is struggling too.
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MJ is worshiped but everyone is that's being thrown out the window because when Mike Carroll speaks people listen. You see Carroll was there forming the sport, as soon as that ground work was laid down a year later along shows up marc johnson on the scene. Carrols an OG and MJ is a robot in comparison.
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I'm curious how Carroll feels about Guy, he really only mentions how Eric deserved more in the question about those two leaving Girl.
I was also curious about this.
Well Guy did drop off for like a decade and in that time Koston was the best street skater. The face of Girl was Rick, Carroll and Koston - I think it reflects that rather than diminishing Guy
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called the mc interview and marc getting kicked off a week ago but of course i don't know anything...
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called the mc interview and marc getting kicked off a week ago but of course i don't know anything...
Here's some attention. Happy?
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*the night before away days*
mike: "marc, they're not announcing that you're on adidas tomorrow at the premier, right?"
marc: "goodbye horses."
mike: "haha very funny, you'll stick it out with us until july right?"
marc: "goodbye horses."
mike: "okay dude, you're gonna honor our deal right?"
marc: "goodbye horses."
mike: "okay i'm gonna hope this works out, enjoy the video dude, see ya later."
marc: "goodbye..........horses."
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called the mc interview and marc getting kicked off a week ago but of course i don't know anything...
Here's some attention. Happy?
yay! thanks!
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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.
Oh man, that made me laugh.:)
Funny, reflecting over the last 30 years, it occurs to me that watching money enter skateboarding has been like watching cancer moving through the body. This crailtap shit feels like we just lost a major limb.
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This page took 3 minutes to load. Insane.
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On the one hand, I respect a strong "no spoilers" policy...
hahahaha. perfect.
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What a gnarly interview. I like how some people are saying how shitty it is for Carrol to do this, but probably love the 90's World days of Rocco taking over.
I don't doubt that theory of these big brands trying to take people out. That's how these corporate companies are run for the most part.
I think I'll be buying a Girl or Chocolate soon. Haha.
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Ol Dirty Carroll likes it raw.
I really thought it was progressing into a 'best wishes' type of send off and it then turned into the Red Wedding.
Spectacular.
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This page took 3 minutes to load. Insane.
A testament to how many people don't lurk and don't care about what we say here.
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ride channel next week
"you won't believe what MJ and BA did with the strap-on Carroll sent!"
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Ride Channel is probably taking most of the server space
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Ol Dirty Carroll likes it raw.
I really thought it was progressing into a 'best wishes' type of send off and it then turned into the Red Wedding.
Spectacular.
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To all the industry people lurking here:
Hi,
My name is GAY and I just found out I'm losing my job. I'm good at washing dishes and/or cleaning grout. I'm a sound engineer by trade, but I'm willing to do anything...and I do mean ANYTHING, for a living.
Please hit me up if you have any openings at your company.
Core brands only please.
GAY
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While everyone from Crail is in here think we could get a run of these as a throwback of sorts in an upcoming season:
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll245/okcomputer23/lakai-sky-high-black-white-suede-ltd_zpsuvpepanw.jpg)
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When routine bites hard,
And ambitions are low.
And resentment rides high,
But emotions won't grow.
And we're changing our ways, taking different roads.
Then Marc, Marc will tear us apart again.
Marc, Marc will tear us apart again.
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While everyone from Crail is in here think we could get a run of these as a throwback of sorts in an upcoming season:
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll245/okcomputer23/lakai-sky-high-black-white-suede-ltd_zpsuvpepanw.jpg)
These too please (http://assets2.routeone.co.uk/media/productimages/x/62/42/62429_b.jpg)
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also im suprised how many people are viewing this thread
sshhhhh...we're reading
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2016 is officially the year corporate sports brands like Nike and Adidas are destroying skateboarding industry and ruining people relationships and friendships.
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Always been an MJ fan, always been an even bigger Carroll fan.
Dudes saying how Carroll came out about this are soft. It's like your parents never taught you as a kid, "If someone hits you, hit them back." Carroll has ALWAYS been one to be real as fuck and speak his mind and more importantly the truth on anything like this.
Psyched as of now there is no confirmation on any of these brands going under, I'm a fan of them all even though I am guilty of never buying the boards. Always looking for older fourstar shirts, copped a chocolate tee when they did the collab with Humidity Skateshop in New Orleans. Girl's new projection series is really good looking. And lakai's NEW models look solid despite losing Scott Johnston.
That's another thing, I'm sure Scott and Kelly leaving was a huge contributor for MJ leaving.
It's also cool that Carroll went to Jenkem with the news first, especially since they just did that collab lakai shoe with MJ.
I've always hated seeing the formal press releases about skaters leaving companies. I'm sure 9 times out of 10 the average skateboarder doesn't even read them anyway. It's not in skateboarding's nature to be so formal about shit, it's just not natural. That's why I'm psyched on how Carroll handled this and I'm also psyched on how Joey Pepper left Exp1.
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2016 is officially the year corporate sports brands like Nike and Adidas are destroying skateboarding industry and ruining people relationships and friendships.
Now that you mention it...
What a fresh idea. You should start a thread about it.
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Good to hear about another lakai video. Without Ty there to ruin it with his new style of filming, it might actually be good... Also they should put Tony Hawk on... Somehow.
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in this case, sounds like marc ruined his own relationship with crail... why would you lie about something, knowing full well the truth will come out the next day? i find it very hard to believe he had no clue adidas was going to announce him in the video.
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Ride Channel is probably taking most of the server space
HAHAHAHA. True.
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Carroll already cost MJ some Adidas shoes sales.
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We all know there are two sides to every story. So far we've only gotten one. I'm sure Carrol and Crailtap are no saints in this either. I highly doubt that 4 (now 5) of their most respected pros would just bounce all within the last year if everything there was on the up and up, so i think you all should reserve your judgement.
I started skating in 88, so i have a serious reverence for anything Carrol/Howard/Crailtap in general, so this sucks to hear. He blasts MJ for supposedly lying about being announced at the premier, but no one seems to remember that he did the exact same thing to Rocco/Mullen/Ternasky when they stole their entire team to start Girl? How is one cool, and the other not? The birth of your entire business is based on the same lies and backstabbing.
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I just realized. Marc will probably join Eric and Guy on whatever board company they bring out. Hell, if Biebel left Girl and joined, it'd be all the skaters that put in work in that skate park they own. That'd be one hell of a team though.
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The article SHOULD have been titled "Mike Carroll on the future of MJ", since it was clearly about MJ, and not about the future of Crailtap in any way, shape or form. Except the mention of a Lakai vid, but we all know how many years they say that for.
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Meza maybe editing the Lakai video 8)
i bet Carroll only took the interview so he could kick MJ off like that.
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I just realized. Marc will probably join Eric and Guy on whatever board company they bring out. Hell, if Biebel left Girl and joined, it'd be all the skaters that put in work in that skate park they own. That'd be one hell of a team though.
Bitch 2.0
Bastard Skateboards, maybe?
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Carroll already cost MJ some Adidas shoes sales.
Would Marc even get a pro model? I can see him getting colorways in the near future.
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
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Wonder if we're at the point where Adidas's PR team is drafting up a response...
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
Both Converse and New Balance do.
Converse has 4 short ones that are waxed though, and they don't kick you out on weekends.
I've been kicked out at New Balance twice.
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Man, what a big deal...
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We all know there are two sides to every story. So far we've only gotten one. I'm sure Carrol and Crailtap are no saints in this either. I highly doubt that 4 (now 5) of their most respected pros would just bounce all within the last year if everything there was on the up and up, so i think you all should reserve your judgement.
I started skating in 88, so i have a serious reverence for anything Carrol/Howard/Crailtap in general, so this sucks to hear. He blasts MJ for supposedly lying about being announced at the premier, but no one seems to remember that he did the exact same thing to Rocco/Mullen/Ternasky when they stole their entire team to start Girl? How is one cool, and the other not? The birth of your entire business is based on the same lies and backstabbing.
One was the actions of a teenage dickhead. the other, a 40 year old man with the mentality of a teenage dickhead.
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A little off-topic, but it's pretty messed up when you think about it, that the only way a skater own company can leave the industry in a respectable fashion is by filling for bankruptcy. Any other way will earn you the sell out status.
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So, is that lost Ty Evans part coming out now?
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I just realized. Marc will probably join Eric and Guy on whatever board company they bring out. Hell, if Biebel left Girl and joined, it'd be all the skaters that put in work in that skate park they own. That'd be one hell of a team though.
Bitch 2.0
Bastard Skateboards, maybe?
Woman Skateboards and Candy Skateboards would be hilarious.
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Carroll already cost MJ some Adidas shoes sales.
Seems like most folks were generally indifferent to their presence in skateboarding, or even leaning toward a favorable perception. Seems like lately though they've had a series of bad PR moments that have put them in a bad light with all of the other big corporate brands. I don't like what they're doing and I don't like this move by MJ...but hey, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Mike Carroll forever.
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So, is that lost Ty Evans part coming out now?
It was already released. It came out on a DVD with the Sheckler part that was floating around here a couple years ago.
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�Are people REALLY comparing Marc's situation to the girl guys lying to Rocco? �-That's such a corny and an over simplified take on this..
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I really thought it was progressing into a 'best wishes' type of send off and it then turned into the Red Wedding.
Adidas sends their regards.
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Cleaned up the format a little so you guys can actually read this.
Skateboarding always likes to refer to itself as one big family. No matter how many billions of dollars the industry makes, we want to see company owners and riders bosses and employees relate like brothers (and sisters). It's a mindset that stems from skateboarding's earliest ancestors, but one of the later advocates of this value system is Mike Carroll. As co-founder of Girl skateboards and Lakai footwear, few skaters have embodied the skater-run imperative better than Carroll, and few skaters have performed more stylishly on a board as well.
But, with the combination of big brands and outside money coming in at a time when our favorite skaters are aging into retirement, that family mentality seems to eroding. It's impossible not to notice the rapid changes. In an ironic twist it seems skateboarders have created an industry too valuable for them to solely run anymore.
Carroll's companies have not been spared from this hostile environment. Gino, Mariano and Koston all dipped from Girl and Chocolate earlier this year, and now Marc Johnson, formerly of Lakai, was just announced as a new rider for Adidas. We heard the MJ news on Saturday morning, and before we could even process the ramifications we got a surprise call from Mike Carroll himself wanting to go on record about what's happening at Lakai and what the future of the Crail camp entails.
You've had a lot of team changes and internal changes recently at Girl and Lakai. Is there anything going on that we should know, or is it just coincidence and timing?
I can only speculate what people's reasons were. I think it just comes down to 40 year old men making grown man decisions. People tend to forget, especially when you're 15 or 25 and the only thing you have to think about is skating and you don't have to think about anything else except rent and utility bills. These guys have houses and children and wives to think about. If they wanted to learn job skills outside of skateboarding, that's something that they maybe could have got here but there's a different culture that isn't handed down from working at a skateboard company, that 17 and 19 year olds started.
After Koston and Guy left I expected a bigger announcement or something than just the mellow Instagram post you guys put out. Were there any other plans?
Yeah, that was unfortunate. Eric definitely deserved more celebration than just that Instagram post. He has done so much for so many years for that to happen like that. There's a lot more behind why it had to go down like that.. It wasn't Eric's fault and it wasn't really our fault. Some announcements started moving quicker than we were being told and we just had to go ahead and do the quick post that we did unfortunately. But I've got nothing bad to say about them, and hopefully they have nothing to say about us.
Since Guy and Koston left, have you run into them at Biebel's park and is it an awkward ex-girlfiend thing?
[Laughs] You know what, I go there all the time and they're never there so, I went there once when they were there, but no, it wasn't an awkward ex-girlfriend thing. The decisions are a lot different at this age when you have children and are providing for a family. If someone wants to bounce, there's no reason to hold them into it, but that's kind of something that has bit us in the ass a little bit. We�ve always had a thing where we don't have contracts.
But I think when Brian [Anderson] and Alex [Olson] left, that made us kind of think twice about that because we just asked them to chill for a second so we could sell off some stuff but, you know, Alex just wanted to get it done and talk about it a little too quick.
That's cool you never did contracts with your riders.
For Girl and Chocolate we never had contracts, but with Lakai we always have. I think that�s gonna probably change pretty soon, just because obviously we�ve noticed that nothing lasts forever� So it was always just a handshake thing. If you�re not down for anything, then you can bounce, just give us the courtesy, stuff like that. That was one thing that we tried to do, but it doesn�t work in this day and age.
What are Girl and Lakai up to, are you guys doing any new videos?
We�re working on a Lakai video. The Lakai dudes have been traveling, so that will be the next bigger project. Federico [Vitetta] has been filming a lot, Daniel Wheatley has been filming a lot. I think Meza is helping us with doing a couple of the rough cuts right now, so he probably might be editing the video. But yeah, Federico and Wheatley are pretty much the main dudes.
Is Mike Mo skating again? I know he got hurt badly.
Yeah, he�s starting to skate. He can do a couple tricks, but his foot isn�t 100% yet, so it�s pretty gnarly. I�d be going insane if I was him, dealing with what he�s dealt with. I think he stretched his nerve or something when he twisted his knee. He stretched his nerve, so his foot was basically paralyzed. It�s called drop foot. He would wear a brace that had a spring in it that lifts his toes up when he wants. So like if he was just standing there and just picked up his foot his foot would just dangle� like you could take a razor blade to it and he wouldn�t even feel it.
H�s just itching to skate and when you see him he does shit so proper and in the state that he�s in� it just gets me stoked for him. Whatever I�m feeling he�s feeling times a million probably. I just know he�s a fucking skate rat, that�s just all he wants to do his whole life.
Do you know if Mike Mo ever faced repercussions for getting in an accident with those kids?
I think driving that golf cart, the repercussions, whether deserved or not happened to him. Not being able to skate this long, that�s probably one of the worst repercussions you could probably get. And on the bright side nobody else got hurt at his responsibility.
Who has the best selling Girl board right now?
Me�
Yeah. [Laughs] What about Malto?
Yeah, of course me� the kids love 40 year olds. Nah, I�m kidding. I don�t know. I think it fluctuates, but I think it�s probably Jereme Rogers, because we are still secretly selling J Casanova collab boards.
Apparently the infamous Crailtap park is gone? What happened?
We got rid of the park because we had another off-site warehouse that carried Fourstar and Lakai and it just got to the point where it didn�t make sense to have that second warehouse. So we consolidated and brought everything in under the same site. But I think we�re gonna try to make room within the next year so we can put a park back.
There�s been rumors for a while that Marc Johnson was going to leave Lakai.. then he really did leave to Adidas. What happened?
The rumors have been around for years. They have been hitting Marc up for years. He was courteous enough years ago to let us know they offered him something, and we were able to match it at that time. It was all good. I don�t think it was something he wanted to do at the time, he wanted to stay on Lakai.
Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some people�s pay, him being included. But he was understanding and we talked about it.
Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again. For years he was greatly paid and we did our best to not touch him at all. Even throughout the financial struggles, we didn�t make any pay cuts to him while other ones were going down. He was highly protected when it came to that stuff, but it came to a point where there was nowhere else to cut.
We had to reduce pay and I just told him, you know what, this sucks. You�ve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldn�t feel comfortable asking you to stick around. We talked for a while, and I knew he was going to go skate for them. Everybody started talking about the rumors again, but it was a mutual thing and fully respectful. It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, �You should probably take a better offer,� because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy. He�s almost 40 years old, I think at this age you should go get yours. And if he was gonna stay on, I didn�t want him to be resentful for the decision.
I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while. But I knew it was asking for a lot. But� that�s what he�s getting paid for� Then I heard more rumors and I hit him up for a couple of days and he wasn�t responding so I had to be blunt. I was like, �Hey, I�ve been hearing these rumors that you are about to be announced at the Away Days premiere. What�s the deal with this?� I thought he was going to be on the team through at least the summer or July.
Then he finally got back to me, but was just like, �No, there�s no announcement� who would say that?� So I asked him again, �There�s no announcement tomorrow?� He�s like, �No.� Then the next day, the night of the premiere I just get a text, �Marc was just announced in the video.� I was just like� that is insane. Last night on the phone he said nothing was happening.
He could have called me, he could have talked to me, and said that�s a little too long to wait and keep quiet, because of certain agreements pending, or whatever. We�re friends, lets talk about it. Or if it�s not a friend thing, let�s get the lawyers to talk about it.
Did you guys work it out? Are you guys talking now?
His only response was, �Did you read the agreement?� insinuating that there was something wrong with it. Besides that he hasn�t responded to me. He won�t respond to me. He lied straight to my face. He told me nothing was going to happen. I would have done anything to make that agreement what he wanted. It was just like� for him to boldly lie to me on the phone. It was so disrespectful. It was disrespectful to the team, it ruined their night, it�s fucked up the team has to find out that way. You think you have a relationship with someone�
Just to be clear, you told him to go take other offers though� So you aren�t mad at him leaving, you are bummed that he didn�t give you more time?
I�m mad that he told me, point blank the night before the premiere, that there would be no announcements and that he would talk to his lawyer and we�d figure all that out. All the people that work hard for him, that design his shoes, the salespeople, production people, the team � everybody that works for Lakai was there and for them to show up to the premiere and get blindsided like that� We didn�t do anything to him to deserve that. For them to find out that way? It just makes us look like fucking idiots, because this dude is a pathological liar. He couldn�t be man enough to tell me straight up.
The night before the premiere, when Marc and I talked, he could�ve told me� I would have been mad but at least he would�ve been honest and I could�ve called the team and told them instead of them finding out like that. He recently had things come up personally and I respect his privacy and distance. I�m just truly disappointed how he went about this. I�m curious to see what he has to say for himself. I can�t wait to see what type of lie he is going to say to justify his action.
�IT JUST MAKES US LOOK LIKE FUCKING IDIOTS, BECAUSE THIS DUDE IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.�
What are you gonna do with that upcoming Marc Johnson Lakai product? What does a company usually do when this sort of thing happens?
Send it all to his fucking house, COD with a fucking strap on, and no vaseline. Well what we�re gonna do now, first things first, I�m gonna kick him off Chocolate. I�m not gonna text him, so he can read this or someone can tell him. Maybe he�s already quit in his mind, who knows. Marc, is kicked off of Chocolate as of right now. We�ll deal with whatever we have to deal with. Shoe wise� we have a lot of shoe production in the works� Normally when this happens to companies we�d usually take legal action, but that�s something we think is not in our character to do. But I�m starting to consider it, but that�s not really on the top of our priority list.
Uhh, Is there any way you guys can figure it out or he can make it up to you in your mind?
I thought we had a pretty good relationship. But now that we don�t have a working relationship, period, I don�t see why we�ll come across each other. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. There�s somewhat of a good dude in there, but when he becomes the liar guy and can�t count on him for anything� He�s an amazing skateboarder, don�t get me wrong, he�s seriously one of the best skateboarders ever, but there comes a time, amazing skateboarder or not, if you aren�t a truthful person� I don�t fuck with anyone that isn�t truthful.
I have a funny theory I wanted to share with you.
Oh yeah? I have one too. 20 year theory.
Oh yeah? What�s that?
I have a 20-year theory. When we started celebrating 20 years of Girl, Brian [Anderson] and Alex [Olson] quit. When we started celebrating 20 years of Chocolate, Gino [Iannucci] quit. No good things happen at 20 years.
So the moral is, just cut your company off at 19, before the curse starts?
Yeah, I would say that. I think that�s the best company policy to have. Just an exit plan at 19 years. [Laughs]
Or skip that year and don�t mention it and just go from 19 to 21�
Yeah like elevator floors. 20 is the new 13�
Well here�s the funny theory I read online � that big shoe companies in skateboarding are backing these small independent board brands to flood the hardgood market so brands like yours [Crailtap] or Dwindle [before Fallen went out of business] have to spend their time and resources worrying about their declining board sales rather than paying attention to their shoe brands [Lakai].
[Laughs] I think they�re gnarly enough to think like that because, I forget who was telling me, but they worked at one of those big shoe companies, and they have their 5 year plan meetings and there is a part of that to figure out who to take out. What�s their �strategy�. Like �How are we going to fuckin� get this company out of our way?� And they just focus in on specific companies, it�s so gnarly dude. But I think skating is rad because you�ve got Real, FA, Creature� there�s so many different companies and they MAKE skateboarding, and these other companies that want to take out companies� It�s like dude, you exist already, you don�t need to take these companies down. You don�t need every single skater, but whatever.
Did I tell you about how fuckin� regular that dude Kaspar is? Remember with Karsten [Kleppan], when we put out the intro to Lakai video part and then a week later Karsten got on Nike? It�s just like, what the fuck. And then that dude Kaspar hit up Sam [Lakai's Team Manager] and was like, �I know that Karsten�s off of Lakai now, but we want to get him off of Element. We want to get him on a cool company, would you guys be down to sponsor him for Girl?� It�s like, are you that regular? You really think that that�s cool? We were super stoked Karsten Kleppan was on Lakai. We just put out an intro part with him but he basically just bounced, and then that dude Kaspar was trying to get him on Girl� like whatever dude, fuck that. That Kaspar dude is a kook.
I almost feel like you guys got targeted�
[Laughs] I�d like to think that� someone made a master plan, like ok, this is how we�re going to take out Fourstar, Lakai, Girl and Chocolate. I�m just kidding. Well I mean, we are targeted because we put a lot of thought into the guys we have on our team, and the guys we hire. They are sick and what we do is sick so that�s why they target us. They want our formula, fool. [laughs]
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Carroll already cost MJ some Adidas shoes sales.
Would Marc even get a pro model? I can see him getting colorways in the near future.
Not getting the MJ Adidas food will do nothing considering people will just go out and buy a Sucui shoe or a Busenitz one. Regardless, it all goes back into their paychecks.
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Fuckkkkk if I have to get boards at like Dick's or a Sport's Authority in the future, I'm gonna be bummed as fuck.
Money is the root of all evil
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We all know there are two sides to every story. �So far we've only gotten one. �I'm sure Carrol and Crailtap are no saints in this either. �I highly doubt that 4 (now 5) of their most respected pros would just bounce all within the last year if everything there was on the up and up, so i think you all should reserve your judgement. �
I started skating in 88, so i have a serious reverence for anything Carrol/Howard/Crailtap in general, so this sucks to hear. �He blasts MJ for supposedly lying about being announced at the premier, but no one seems to remember that he did the exact same thing to Rocco/Mullen/Ternasky when they stole their entire team to start Girl? �How is one cool, and the other not? �The birth of your entire business is based on the same lies and backstabbing. �
I don't blame MJ for doing what he did. You're only as cool with Carroll as you are convenient to him (apparently). To me it looks like MJ was doing his share and Carroll just kept wanting more. I mean come on, this entire interview was pretty fucking harsh. I mean it's no wonder MJ kept being in the video a fucking secret. If he was up front with dude (Carroll) he would've just attacked him publicly sooner. NTM it's not like Carroll hasn't fucked over people on his own before. He's a narcissistic asshole, and he should take a hard look in the mirror before he gets too wrapped up vilifying whoever bails on him next.
Even all that aside, crailtap's boards are fucking trash, their stupid overly cinematic videos were all fucking corny, and their ads were all just as goofy.
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true.
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
Adidas' HQ has signs that say "Skate at your own risk."
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Fuckkkkk if I have to get boards at like Dick's or a Sport's Authority in the future, I'm gonna be bummed as fuck.
Money is the root of all evil
http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Dew-MD-3108-Skateboard/dp/B00KS60NG2 (http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Dew-MD-3108-Skateboard/dp/B00KS60NG2)
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true, but let's not act like Crailtap is the victim and/or martyr here either.
Or maybe their cash crunch wouldn't have happened if they didn't put out such shitty products
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This is all only making the possibility of Reynolds leaving Emerica to Adidas more believable for some reason.
Reynolds please don't leave Emerica!!!!
But in the end you'll do what's best for you I just hope its done with hopefully no bad blood.
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true, but let's not act like Crailtap is the victim and/or martyr here either.
yeah, i love seeing those posts.
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true, but let's not act like Crailtap is the victim and/or martyr here either.
Or maybe their cash crunch wouldn't have happened� if they didn't put out such shitty products
it's insane that i see this shitty product comment on here almost daily, but in the set ups thread people praise PS wood. PS is such garbage, crail boards are fine, obviously nothing can compare to generator but i like crail wood.
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Chocolate already took down that silly ig post
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This is all only making the possibility of Reynolds leaving Emerica to Adidas more believable for some reason.
Reynolds please don't leave Emerica!!!!
But in the end you'll do what's best for you I just hope its done with hopefully no bad blood.
Let's hope this never happens
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We all know there are two sides to every story. �So far we've only gotten one. �I'm sure Carrol and Crailtap are no saints in this either. �I highly doubt that 4 (now 5) of their most respected pros would just bounce all within the last year if everything there was on the up and up, so i think you all should reserve your judgement. �
I started skating in 88, so i have a serious reverence for anything Carrol/Howard/Crailtap in general, so this sucks to hear. �He blasts MJ for supposedly lying about being announced at the premier, but no one seems to remember that he did the exact same thing to Rocco/Mullen/Ternasky when they stole their entire team to start Girl? �How is one cool, and the other not? �The birth of your entire business is based on the same lies and backstabbing. �
I don't blame MJ for doing what he did. �You're only as cool with Carroll as you are convenient to him (apparently). To me it looks like MJ was doing his share and Carroll just kept wanting more. I mean come on, this entire interview was pretty fucking harsh. I mean it's no wonder MJ kept being in the video a fucking secret. If he was up front with dude (Carroll) he would've just attacked him publicly sooner. NTM it's not like Carroll hasn't fucked over people on his own before. He's a narcissistic asshole, and he should take a hard look in the mirror before he gets too wrapped up vilifying whoever bails on him next.
Even all that aside, crailtap's boards are fucking trash, their stupid overly cinematic videos were all fucking corny, and their ads were all just as goofy.
Did you even read the interview? Carroll said that he was trying to work with MJ on making the departure from Lakai an easy one. He also said that while other riders were taking paycuts, Crail was protecting MJ's salary. And the Rocco comparison doesn't really hold any weight, Carroll said in that Weekend Buzz that if Rocco found out, he would have done everything he could to stop Girl from starting up.
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damn, MC is a fuckin boss. the thought did occur to me how fucked up it would be if carroll and rick found out at the away days premier. I thought that would've been ridiculous, but turns out that wasn't a far departure from how it did go down.
i was super stoked to hear that meza might be the main editor for their next vid. he definitely has a knack for puttin down the good vibes.
my next shoe purchase will be lakais or sure. If anyone at Lakai is reading this, can you push out some more low key designs? I get brand awareness is important, but i'm not totally down with rocking huge flares on my feet. No offense. That being said, I'm between copping a pair Staples or Riley Hawks.
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true, but let's not act like Crailtap is the victim and/or martyr here either.
Or maybe their cash crunch wouldn't have happened� if they didn't put out such shitty products
it's insane that i see this shitty product comment on here almost daily, but in the set ups thread people praise PS wood. �PS is such garbage, crail boards are fine, obviously nothing can compare to generator but i like crail wood.
It's all opinion. I've jbeen skating FA/Hockey since last summer without any problems. In 17 years I've bought one Girl deck and it was so bad I never even tried one again. Not saying I haven't had bad PS Stix decks either, but the problem with Crails decks (to me) is that they don't even look skateable, the shape, the glue, the concave, it all just looks like prefab or something.
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We all know there are two sides to every story. �So far we've only gotten one. �I'm sure Carrol and Crailtap are no saints in this either. �I highly doubt that 4 (now 5) of their most respected pros would just bounce all within the last year if everything there was on the up and up, so i think you all should reserve your judgement. �
I started skating in 88, so i have a serious reverence for anything Carrol/Howard/Crailtap in general, so this sucks to hear. �He blasts MJ for supposedly lying about being announced at the premier, but no one seems to remember that he did the exact same thing to Rocco/Mullen/Ternasky when they stole their entire team to start Girl? �How is one cool, and the other not? �The birth of your entire business is based on the same lies and backstabbing. �
I don't blame MJ for doing what he did. �You're only as cool with Carroll as you are convenient to him (apparently). To me it looks like MJ was doing his share and Carroll just kept wanting more. I mean come on, this entire interview was pretty fucking harsh. I mean it's no wonder MJ kept being in the video a fucking secret. If he was up front with dude (Carroll) he would've just attacked him publicly sooner. NTM it's not like Carroll hasn't fucked over people on his own before. He's a narcissistic asshole, and he should take a hard look in the mirror before he gets too wrapped up vilifying whoever bails on him next.
Even all that aside, crailtap's boards are fucking trash, their stupid overly cinematic videos were all fucking corny, and their ads were all just as goofy.
Did you even read the interview? Carroll said that he was trying to work with MJ on making the departure from Lakai an easy one. He also said that while other riders were taking paycuts, Crail was protecting MJ's salary. And the Rocco comparison doesn't really hold any weight, Carroll said in that Weekend Buzz that if Rocco found out, he would have done everything he could to stop Girl from starting up.
All this after MJ took multiple paycuts. Carroll should just be grateful that it lasted as long as it did and then let it go. Instead here he is going public with it. And for what? It just comes off like a bitch move.
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true, but let's not act like Crailtap is the victim and/or martyr here either.
Or maybe their cash crunch wouldn't have happened� if they didn't put out such shitty products
it's insane that i see this shitty product comment on here almost daily, but in the set ups thread people praise PS wood. �PS is such garbage, crail boards are fine, obviously nothing can compare to generator but i like crail wood.
It's all opinion. I've jbeen skating FA/Hockey since last summer without any problems. In 17 years I've bought one Girl deck and it was so bad I never even tried one again. Not saying I haven't had bad PS Stix decks either, but the problem with Crails decks (to me) is that they don't even look skateable, the shape, the glue, the concave, it all just looks like prefab or something.
You must have missed it we had a good old fashioned SP Stix bashing not too long ago. Some of us shit on them so hard their competitors gave us* stuff.
*me
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realest interview in recent memory.
Jenkem CLEARLY leaning against predetorial practices by big shoes being savage, but has their entire site wrapped in adidas ads/branding and their post on 5/3 was an MJ mix.
conflict of interest, conflict of taste.
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Reading comprehension, dude.
MJ did not get pay cuts, in fact he was matched the amount that Adidas offered him by Lakai. Eventually, MC realized they could not afford that and told MJ that they were gonna hvae to cut his pay and if he wanted to accept another offer it would be cool, to just let them work it out.
Also hard to base your opinion off what is apparently one board over the course of 17 years.
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I've always hated seeing the formal press releases about skaters leaving companies. I'm sure 9 times out of 10 the average skateboarder doesn't even read them anyway. It's not in skateboarding's nature to be so formal about shit, it's just not natural.
That's because nobody wants to burn bridges over personal stuff.
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All this after MJ took multiple paycuts. Carroll should just be grateful that it lasted as long as it did and then let it go. Instead here he is going public with it. And for what? It just comes off like a bitch move.
Reading comprehension, dude.
MJ did not get pay cuts, in fact he was matched the amount that Adidas offered him by Lakai. Eventually, MC realized they could not afford that and told MJ that they were gonna hvae to cut his pay and if he wanted to accept another offer it would be cool, to just let them work it out.
Also hard to base your opinion off what is apparently one board over the course of 17 years.
brxksjfhgioakjbgs, meet doomstation
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One COULD argue that MJ's thinking was "wait, so you want ME to take a pay cut, and not go forward with a lucrative offer, so YOU can make MORE money off of my shoe??"
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302 guests viewing at time of writing. Fuck off you Slap tourists. Where were you when Lil Shmatty got kicked of DGK?
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Hearty LOL at comparing this to the creation of Girl. Can someone explain the logic in this?
Also the lack of reading comprehension in this thread is off the charts!
Bravo, gents. Proud to call you my brethren.
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This is all only making the possibility of Reynolds leaving Emerica to Adidas more believable for some reason.
Reynolds please don't leave Emerica!!!!
But in the end you'll do what's best for you I just hope its done with hopefully no bad blood.
As we've seen from this MJ/MC stuff these are pretty fluid situations. Reynolds did post this pic/ad for MADE last night, so, at the moment he still seems on board (publicly speaking).
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFfCa2KIvDx/?taken-by=andrewreynolds&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFfCa2KIvDx/?taken-by=andrewreynolds&hl=en)
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Reading comprehension, dude.
MJ did not get pay cuts, in fact he was matched the amount that Adidas offered him by Lakai. Eventually, MC realized they could not afford that and told MJ that they were gonna hvae to cut his pay and if he wanted to accept another offer it would be cool, to just let them work it out.
Also hard to base your opinion off what is apparently one board over the course of 17 years.
"Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some people�s pay, him being included. But he was understanding and we talked about it."
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there's no way they're paying these guys every month and sending them on trips all over without a contract oh we're just a handshake company haha
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Hearty LOL at comparing this to the creation of Girl. Can someone explain the logic in this?
Also the lack of reading comprehension in this thread is off the charts!
Bravo, gents. Proud to call you my brethren.
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It's an internet forum. Settle down.
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One COULD argue that MJ's thinking was "wait, so you want ME to take a pay cut, and not go forward with a lucrative offer, so YOU can make MORE money off of my shoe??"
Sure. But isn't Carroll saying that they agreed to a timeline that MJ then ignored? Also, wouldn't MJ still get royalties off of his Lakai shoe during this agreed upon period. Also, if you want to leave on good terms, MJ wouldn't stick Lakai with a bunch of inventory that they will have to eat. They just released the Jenkem colorway a few weeks ago.
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Cherry picking a single quote out of a whole paragraph I see.
They have been hitting Marc up for years. He was courteous enough years ago to let us know they offered him something, and we were able to match it at that time. It was all good. I dont think it was something he wanted to do at the time, he wanted to stay on Lakai.
Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some peoples pay, him being included. But he was understanding and we talked about it.
Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again. For years he was greatly paid and we did our best to not touch him at all. Even throughout the financial struggles, we didnt make any pay cuts to him while other ones were going down. He was highly protected when it came to that stuff, but it came to a point where there was nowhere else to cut.
We had to reduce pay and I just told him, you know what, this sucks. Youve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldnt feel comfortable asking you to stick around. We talked for a while, and I knew he was going to go skate for them. Everybody started talking about the rumors again, but it was a mutual thing and fully respectful. It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, You should probably take a better offer, because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy. Hes almost 40 years old, I think at this age you should go get yours. And if he was gonna stay on, I didnt want him to be resentful for the decision.
I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while.
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Is this MJ's response?
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One COULD argue that MJ's thinking was "wait, so you want ME to take a pay cut, and not go forward with a lucrative offer, so YOU can make MORE money off of my shoe??"
Sure. But isn't Carroll saying that they agreed to a timeline that MJ then ignored? Also, wouldn't MJ still get royalties off of his Lakai shoe during this agreed upon period. Also, if you want to leave on good terms, MJ wouldn't stick Lakai with a bunch of inventory that they will have to eat. They just released the Jenkem colorway a few weeks ago.
he alluded to the fact that he sent an agreement to MJ, but clearly MJ didn't send it back or agree to it. And I was just playing devil's advocate.
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I think Girl, Chocolate decks, and pairs of Lakai's are in my future.
I keep seeing these type of posts, which no offense, are hilariously dumb. It takes all this drama for you to start supporting Crailtap with your dollar again? Where was all this financial support the last 5 years for Crailtap? Maybe they wouldn't be in such a cash crunch if you always put your money where your mouth is.
Like Augustmoon posted, MC gave one side of the story and it's an odd coincidence that 3 big names with a shoe are gone from Lakai and (now) 3 big names are gone from the board brands. Not saying MJ doesn't have his own issues, which I have always believed to be true.
MC admitted they had to cut peoples pay. I'm sure that was a massive contributor to why these 3 big names left.
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What are you gonna do with that upcoming Marc Johnson Lakai product? What does a company usually do when this sort of thing happens?
Send it all to his fucking house, COD with a fucking strap on, and no vaseline. Well what we�re gonna do now, first things first, I�m gonna kick him off Chocolate. I�m not gonna text him, so he can read this or someone can tell him. Maybe he�s already quit in his mind, who knows. Marc, is kicked off of Chocolate as of right now. We�ll deal with whatever we have to deal with. Shoe wise� we have a lot of shoe production in the works� Normally when this happens to companies we�d usually take legal action, but that�s something we think is not in our character to do. But I�m starting to consider it, but that�s not really on the top of our priority list.
I'll buy some shoes from you Marc. I just really want to hear what Marc has to say about all this, I'm sure its not as black and white as Carroll makes it out to be.
Also what was the IG post that Chocolate already removed?
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MC Talking about what that Kasper dude did at the end of the interview almost confirms what Sporting-company apologists keep denying. The shoe companies are powerful enough now to be trading dudes between board companies because a marketing guy in a cubicle has drawn up an "image plan strategy" for a "hot new prospect" or some bullshit like that.
THIIIIIIIIIISSSS!!!
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They have been hitting Marc up for years. He was courteous enough years ago to let us know they offered him something, and we were able to match it at that time. It was all good. I don�t think it was something he wanted to do at the time, he wanted to stay on Lakai.
Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some people�s pay, him being included. But he was understanding and we talked about it.
Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again. For years he was greatly paid and we did our best to not touch him at all. Even throughout the financial struggles, we didn�t make any pay cuts to him while other ones were going down. He was highly protected when it came to that stuff, but it came to a point where there was nowhere else to cut.
We had to reduce pay and I just told him, you know what, this sucks. You�ve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldn�t feel comfortable asking you to stick around. We talked for a while, and I knew he was going to go skate for them. Everybody started talking about the rumors again, but it was a mutual thing and fully respectful. It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, �You should probably take a better offer,� because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy. He�s almost 40 years old, I think at this age you should go get yours. And if he was gonna stay on, I didn�t want him to be resentful for the decision.
I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while.
Buddy, I only needed to "cherrypick' the part you claimed wasn't in there.
Look, he wanted more money so he got more money, they asked if he'd take a paycut and he did, and then he wasn't happy so he split.
But the point is that he did take a paycut or at least agreed to one.
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Mike Carroll SOTY 2016.
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imagine all the financial information and Lakai emails/communications that will be available to the public if Crail sues MJ ... does California have an electronic docket? or am I going to have to pay someone to make a ton of copies?
MJ's lawyer had better ask for that lost Ty part in discovery!!!
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/6/65/Lionel-Hutz.png/revision/latest?cb=20140627201527)
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I love the Gonz and Busenitz, but no more Adidas shoes for me.
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MJ on Krooked ?!
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Look, brwxstl, you are responding as though Mike Carroll is pissed and/or bitter that MJ left for adidas. Reading the interview that isn't the case. No one is blaming MJ for wanting to go out and get a better deal. Mike Carroll said, You�ve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldn�t feel comfortable asking you to stick around.
The problem is the way MJ executed his departure. So I could totally see why Mike Carroll would be fucking pissed.
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Is this MJ's response?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/4k73et.png)
^This dude's either been drinking or he's not nearly as clever as he thinks he is. I wish I could give Mike Carroll a big ol hug, pat him on the back, get him a double scoop ice cream cone and tell him it's gonna be okay. Mike's crail goons must be finna take him to the clubhouse. "You bout to get yo shit fully flared FORREAL Marc..."
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Carroll seems jelly. They should fight.
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
This is the best comment. 100% this.
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Meh, it is what it is.
Just gonna sit back and enjoy the drama
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
How many times were you invited to skate the Crail park? Just sayin
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carrolls respone is about as legit as his smith grinds
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6ere79z3Q1qajt3mo1_1280.jpg)
i think a departure by lakai and the crail camp from skateboarindg will be the final straw on the mass sporting goods companys taking over skateboarding.
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on a positive note...
"I am stoked to have Yonnie on the squad. He's got an original style. Someone you want to roll the streets with" -Rickk Howard
(https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/13256925_811349905663346_1552795075_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI1MjQzNzYxMzcyNzU0NjI4NA%3D%3D.2)
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Is this MJ's response?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/4k73et.png)
Obviously not since that photo was posted 5 days ago. But I was gonna post that as a perfect example of why I could never understand why anyone thought MJ was funny or cool. So painfully lame. Definitely one of the most amazing skaters ever, but the dude's an idiot. Making a corny ass face and dumb voice every time the camera's pointed at him. "Hey watch me smoke cigs and check out how smart my books are." How many times can you pretend you're rowing a boat on your skateboard?
He's a fraction funnier than Jimmy Carlin, which is a severely insulting statement.
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
Ha, got me dude. Never.
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imagine all the financial information and Lakai emails/communications that will be available to the public if Crail sues MJ ... does California have an electronic docket? or am I going to have to pay someone to make a ton of copies? ��
MJ's lawyer had better ask for that lost Ty part in discovery!!!
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/6/65/Lionel-Hutz.png/revision/latest?cb=20140627201527)
I can't speak for Cali but typically discovery items are only posted on the ecf if they are attached to a filing that gets posted on the ecf. Also it would be dumb to sue mj alone (although even if there was no contract there is a detrimental reliance claim). You go for the deeper pockets- in this case adidas for a tortious interference claim. Which would also bring out the far more interesting adidas emails about mj and a good timeline about what happened when.
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I have so much to say on this topic, but I'll try and keep it limited.
1) Mike Carroll is such an important part of skating. I don't think a lot of people understand (1) his importance to developing modern street skating and (2) how important the formation of Girl Skateboards/Crailtap was to the aesthetic that so many skaters pretend to care about. They made modern street skating and made it about skater values.
(2) I think people undervalue how important Girl Skateboards/Crailtap was to solidifying/creating peoples' careers. Yes, people like Marc Johnson, Alex Olson and Guy Mariano and so forth are very talented skaters. But there are a lot of talented skaters. What often separates star caliber skaters from others is there sponsors. In particular, the board company you rode for - and videos you were able to skate in - in the 1990s-2000s was the most important signifier of your marketability. It is what made these riders such big targets for the masses and targets for the big shoe companies. It was the platform. In MJ's case, it made him "cool" in skate parlance. I don't think some of the younger folks realize that Marc was always a very talented skater but that his move to chocolate/lakai is what made him "skate cool."
(3) Crailtap, more than any other company, has given its riders so much leeway to fuckup and do their own thing. Gino and Guy had substance abuse issues and were off their boards for years. Crailtap allowed them to come back and stay relevant. To lesser extent, Marc was also afforded the opportunity to fuck up (drinking) and stay on the program. A lot of other companies would have been quick to drop these guys. And in the case of Gino and Guy, as much as you and I may love them, when you dont skate for 5 years, most employers dont stick by you, and without that platform, you are just a great, former skate star. Even if you get second tier sponsors, it all starts to unravel.
(4) Carroll has always been very reserved. For him to pop off like this likely means that MJ just fucked up - big time. It sounds like Carroll was very cool with letting him transition to Adidas but wanted to do it in an appropriate way to keep the company - that supported Marc when he was drinking in the woods - rolling. Marc, for whatever reason, blew him completely off. Again, Carroll does not blast people like this on purpose. It's clear that MJ was a piece of shit.
(5) Carroll is an OG and SF/Daly City street kid. He's not gonna take this shit. For all the people bitching about "you shouldnt air this out in public," fuck you. Carroll not only got this guy on crail, gave him a platform, but then was totally willing to help him transition to Adidas. Did MJ keep "private?" Fuck no, he changed shoe sponsors on the big screen at the biggest video premier of the year. Basically, after all those years, he straight up lied to Carrroll and ducked him. Carroll, unlike MJ, is not an egomaniac or self-important; he's a stand up dude who's track record in skating and business speaks much louder than MJs mouth.
(6) While there may be a lot of reasons people have left, at least for the big shoe guys, its clear money was the big factor. This is not hard to see. Olson's reasons for leaving the brand were a bit different, as he has alluded to.
I ride with Carroll.
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I love the Gonz and Busenitz, but no more Adidas shoes for me.
I dont see the connection between Adidas and MJ not sticking to his words. The bad character here is MJ and not adidas. If he told lakai "hey, i'm sorry but i cant delay the departure since they want to annouce me on the away days premiere" all would be cool, but he choose to lie about it and thats lame. Blame him.
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I love the Gonz and Busenitz, but no more Adidas shoes for me.
I dont see the connection between Adidas and MJ not sticking to his words. The bad character here is MJ and not adidas. If he told lakai "hey, i'm sorry but i cant delay the departure since they want to annouce me on the away days premiere" all would be cool, but he choose to lie about it and thats lame. Blame him.
What if we brought up that adidas is a nazi company who made the boots for the Wehrmacht? Would that help?
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Damn MC letting out some of that old EMB.
I back him and his straight forwardness... these are weird times in skateboarding.
I go to these newer parks in the Suburbs and I see 2 different kinds of skateboarders- a small handful of good homies skating, and then these Sport-Check looking dudes fucking training away... all padded up and Niked out it's just odd to me. Either way it's not going to stop me from how I skate or why I skate... I just find it fucking odd... hope the best for the Crailcamp.
lol at Carroll calling the Nike dude a straight up kook hahahhahahahaha
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I love the Gonz and Busenitz, but no more Adidas shoes for me.
I dont see the connection between Adidas and MJ not sticking to his words. The bad character here is MJ and not adidas. If he told lakai "hey, i'm sorry but i cant delay the departure since they want to annouce me on the away days premiere" all would be cool, but he choose to lie about it and thats lame. Blame him.
What if we brought up that adidas is a nazi company who made the boots for the Wehrmacht? Would that help?
at least those nazi's were looking sharp, shoutout Hugo Boss
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I don't know how to feel about bigger companies and marketing. I've always been into the design and aesthetic of Adidas and really like the blazers but now what? I feel bad for these companies and I've seen my family's small businesses suffer from large companies so it just makes me hesitate now.
Any suggestions? I really like the Leo's and I'm really liking the HUF 2's.
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Is this MJ's response?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/4k73et.png)
Obviously not since that photo was posted 5 days ago
The premier was five days ago. And it sounds like there was drama leading right up this post.
Either way, I agree with your assessment of his comedy.
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Damn MC letting out some of that old EMB.
I back him and his straight forwardness... these are weird times in skateboarding.
I go to these newer parks in the Suburbs and I see 2 different kinds of skateboarders- a small handful of good homies skating, and then these Sport-Check looking dudes fucking training away... all padded up and Niked out it's just odd to me. Either way it's not going to stop me from how I skate or why I skate... I just find it fucking odd... hope the best for the Crailcamp.
lol at Carroll calling the Nike dude a straight up kook hahahhahahahaha
He could skate back in the day though. Not that it excuses his current kookdom
https://vimeo.com/4678681
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lol at Carroll calling the Nike dude a straight up kook hahahhahahahaha
Haha for real. Obviously the MC/MJ 'beef' is the story here, but let's not forget this part. Dude definitely sounds like a kook. I'd be interested if there were more stories along this line - I'm sure there are plenty.
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I love the Gonz and Busenitz, but no more Adidas shoes for me.
I dont see the connection between Adidas and MJ not sticking to his words. The bad character here is MJ and not adidas. If he told lakai "hey, i'm sorry but i cant delay the departure since they want to annouce me on the away days premiere" all would be cool, but he choose to lie about it and thats lame. Blame him.
What if we brought up that adidas is a nazi company who made the boots for the Wehrmacht? Would that help?
Do you know that adidas wasnt the first 3 stripe brand in existence? The first one was Karhu, a finnish shoe company with 100 years of history. They sold the 3 stripes branding in the 50's for some whisky bottles, a thousand of dollars and a hand shake. Is this relevant to this conversation? No, neither your statement.
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Also, does anyone have screen cap of that deleted chocolate insta post?
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no mention of Altamont Capital Partners?
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what if in the interview, carroll gave mark like a two weeks notice about him getting kicked off, just to back up his "gentleman's" ideals n shit in regards to no contracts and giving him notice about the lakai/adidas transformation. i completely agree, marc decision was fucking dumb and he is a huge backstabber, but carroll could have set a precedent with this two weeks notice thing lol. either way, kicking him off today or in a while still is whats best, just something i thought about.
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Are we ever going to get a decent explanation on the Kookston and Guy departure?
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Is this MJ's response?
(http://i68.tinypic.com/4k73et.png)
Obviously not since that photo was posted 5 days ago. But I was gonna post that as a perfect example of why I could never understand why anyone thought MJ was funny or cool. So painfully lame. Definitely one of the most amazing skaters ever, but the dude's an idiot. Making a corny ass face and dumb voice every time the camera's pointed at him. "Hey watch me smoke cigs and check out how smart my books are." How many times can you pretend you're rowing a boat on your skateboard?
He's a fraction funnier than Jimmy Carlin, which is a severely insulting statement.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Also, holy crap there are a lot of people watching this thread/forum at this moment.
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On the one hand, I respect a strong "no spoilers" policy...
Just hoping this comment gets the attention it deserves haha.
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THIS, right here. Yonnie is a savage and deserves the shine.
on a positive note...
"I am stoked to have Yonnie on the squad. He's got an original style. Someone you want to roll the streets with" -Rickk Howard
(https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/13256925_811349905663346_1552795075_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI1MjQzNzYxMzcyNzU0NjI4NA%3D%3D.2)
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It's like your two dads getting gay divorced.
Sad.
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I love the Gonz and Busenitz, but no more Adidas shoes for me.
I dont see the connection between Adidas and MJ not sticking to his words. The bad character here is MJ and not adidas. If he told lakai "hey, i'm sorry but i cant delay the departure since they want to annouce me on the away days premiere" all would be cool, but he choose to lie about it and thats lame. Blame him.
Adidas put it in the video with MJ's approval. Gonz and Busenitz are tainted by association.
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Chocolate deleted that post from their instagram.
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i'm not worried, i think guy, koston, mj, and carroll will all get back together the time avengers 3 comes around
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I think people forget that marc johnson is a chronic alcoholic and that being shady and losing friends is just part of price.
also carroll can you please kick raven off chocolate as well
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Once on the internet, always on the internet.
(http://i.imgur.com/KwiWUif.png?1)
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So basically they have to throw away all their MJ products (boards, shoes and so on) which is most likely costing Crailtap a lot of money. Maybe the nail in the coffin?
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So basically they have to throw away all their MJ products (boards, shoes and so on) which is most likely costing Crailtap a lot of money. Maybe the nail in the coffin?
not even close.
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THIS, right here. Yonnie is a savage and deserves the shine.
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on a positive note...
"I am stoked to have Yonnie on the squad. He's got an original style. Someone you want to roll the streets with" -Rickk Howard
About time. When are they going to announce him on Chocolate too?
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Skateboarding hasn't been this lit since Keelan got exposed as a child predator.
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I would still buy the MJ Lakai shoe if I knew the cash would all go to MC etc and not MJ.
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can't wait for the crailtap epicly latr'd to come out in 2025 that ought to shed some more light on all this!
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Carroll needs to come out saying that sales of Lakai MJ's will only be benefitting crailtap. I can get behind some pairs for that
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Carroll needs to come out saying that sales of Lakai MJ's will only be benefitting crailtap. I can get behind some pairs for that
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Marc skated to the "Animals - Don't let me be Misunderstood" in his most recent "part". Was published in March. He already knew back then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2LYu9fmuA
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I have so much to say on this topic, but I'll try and keep it limited.
(4) Carroll has always been very reserved. For him to pop off like this likely means that MJ just fucked up - big time. It sounds like Carroll was very cool with letting him transition to Adidas but wanted to do it in an appropriate way to keep the company - that supported Marc when he was drinking in the woods - rolling. Marc, for whatever reason, blew him completely off. Again, Carroll does not blast people like this on purpose. It's clear that MJ was a piece of shit.
Didn't want to quote everything, but basically all of Labor's post. Over the years I've heard several stories from people in that circle of the industry about MJ just being a total dick and lousy person in general, dating all the way back to the Enjoi days.
Carroll and Howard are two of the best in so many ways. Nothing but respect for those guys. I do wonder how much Altamont's involvement has influenced recent events though. It seems many big changes have occurred since they came around.
I skated no other shoe than Lakais from 2002-2010. Looking forward to picking up a pair of the re-released Staples. Excited to see what Crailtap has in store for the future.
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i'm not worried, i think guy, koston, mj, and carroll will all get back together the time avengers 3 comes around
Captain Carroll: Civil War
Team Carroll or Team Johnson
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Welcome 306 guests and lurkers.
Slap rules.
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Carroll is the fucking man.
Skateboarding needs more of this shit at the moment...
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(http://i.imgur.com/DQFoCKz.jpg)
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;D ho ho holy shit ^
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fucking dyingggggggggggggggggggg. oh my god.
excellent delivery!
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there's maaaadd people viewing this thread right now
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Carroll is clearly on the right side of this one. People said something in this thread along the lines of "they lost 3 other riders, something must be going wrong!" Yeah, they couldn't compete with a company like Nike or Adidas in the first place, and as time goes on their position grows comparatively worse. Carroll pretty much said that in the interview. What makes it clear that at minimum MJ did something special to piss them off is that not a negative word was said about Guy or Koston leaving. In fact, didn't Girl even put an old photo of Koston on IG with the caption "thanks for the memories" or something?
There's a right and a wrong way to quit a company, and MJ clearly chose the wrong way.
Its lame, and Adidas is fucking shitty, and Marc did a shitty thing....but let's be real, next time he releases a part, I guarantee nobody says "I would have watched it, but fuck him for quitting Lakai."
Basically, I'm on Team Nerd in this debate and "hate" Marc Johnson....until he releases more footage which I will certainly want to watch.
Out of curiousity, anybody else planning on going to the adidas premiere in SF this weekend rocking Chocolate or Lakai gear? It would be so rad if the crowd was full of those logos. It would be a great way to send a subtle message as a community that shady shit like that isn't appreciated.
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Carroll is clearly on the right side of this one. People said something in this thread along the lines of "they lost 3 other riders, something must be going wrong!" Yeah, they couldn't compete with a company like Nike or Adidas in the first place, and as time goes on their position grows comparatively worse. Carroll pretty much said that in the interview. What makes it clear that at minimum MJ did something special to piss them off is that not a negative word was said about Guy or Koston leaving. In fact, didn't Girl even put an old photo of Koston on IG with the caption "thanks for the memories" or something?
There's a right and a wrong way to quit a company, and MJ clearly chose the wrong way.
Its lame, and Adidas is fucking shitty, and Marc did a shitty thing....but let's be real, next time he releases a part, I guarantee nobody says "I would have watched it, but fuck him for quitting Lakai."
Basically, I'm on Team Nerd in this debate and "hate" Marc Johnson....until he releases more footage which I will certainly want to watch.
Out of curiousity, anybody else planning on going to the adidas premiere in SF this weekend rocking Chocolate or Lakai gear? It would be so rad if the crowd was full of those logos. It would be a great way to send a subtle message as a community that shady shit like that isn't appreciated.
is mj at every premiere?
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Carroll is clearly on the right side of this one. People said something in this thread along the lines of "they lost 3 other riders, something must be going wrong!" Yeah, they couldn't compete with a company like Nike or Adidas in the first place, and as time goes on their position grows comparatively worse. Carroll pretty much said that in the interview. What makes it clear that at minimum MJ did something special to piss them off is that not a negative word was said about Guy or Koston leaving. In fact, didn't Girl even put an old photo of Koston on IG with the caption "thanks for the memories" or something?
There's a right and a wrong way to quit a company, and MJ clearly chose the wrong way.
Its lame, and Adidas is fucking shitty, and Marc did a shitty thing....but let's be real, next time he releases a part, I guarantee nobody says "I would have watched it, but fuck him for quitting Lakai."
Basically, I'm on Team Nerd in this debate and "hate" Marc Johnson....until he releases more footage which I will certainly want to watch.
Out of curiousity, anybody else planning on going to the adidas premiere in SF this weekend rocking Chocolate or Lakai gear? It would be so rad if the crowd was full of those logos. It would be a great way to send a subtle message as a community that shady shit like that isn't appreciated.
is mj at every premiere?
After this? I bet he isn't. I BET YOU AREN'T MARC.
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Iceman, I have said it before, but really...you are the best at photoshop. Gnar'd.
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Hahaha, holy shit Iceman!
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All of these changes are for the best.
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Carroll is clearly on the right side of this one. People said something in this thread along the lines of "they lost 3 other riders, something must be going wrong!" Yeah, they couldn't compete with a company like Nike or Adidas in the first place, and as time goes on their position grows comparatively worse. Carroll pretty much said that in the interview. What makes it clear that at minimum MJ did something special to piss them off is that not a negative word was said about Guy or Koston leaving. In fact, didn't Girl even put an old photo of Koston on IG with the caption "thanks for the memories" or something?
There's a right and a wrong way to quit a company, and MJ clearly chose the wrong way.
Its lame, and Adidas is fucking shitty, and Marc did a shitty thing....but let's be real, next time he releases a part, I guarantee nobody says "I would have watched it, but fuck him for quitting Lakai."
Basically, I'm on Team Nerd in this debate and "hate" Marc Johnson....until he releases more footage which I will certainly want to watch.
Out of curiousity, anybody else planning on going to the adidas premiere in SF this weekend rocking Chocolate or Lakai gear? It would be so rad if the crowd was full of those logos. It would be a great way to send a subtle message as a community that shady shit like that isn't appreciated.
is mj at every premiere?
message to adidas, not MJ.
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welcome to flavour country
the july embargo of marcs departure must have been agreed in order for lakai to sell and
ship a certain amount of shoes to make marcs new model profitable
mike never really went full business in his interview saying how much money crailtap
was going to lose after just releasing a pro model for a skater that doesnt ride for their company
mike bounced from dc after seeing a bad shoe design with his name on it
but marc bounced from lakai after they made and produced the damn shoe
as if crailtap have that kinda money to lose in the first place
also in line with the story about karsten's manager trying to get him on girl
didnt marc try and get on quasi not too long ago, would that be some manger
trying to overhaul marcs look into something edgier and more cool
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I say fuck him and I am not watching it for the way he quit Lakai. At a certain point shit has to stop.
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I love all of the Adidas shoes I've skated over the last 5 or 6 years. I wonder if Adidas strong armed MJ into bouncing early to be a part of the video, or if MJ just gave zero F's? I'm definitely siding with #teamcarroll on this one but will continue to skate Adidas. I really love Crailtap's shapes too, but after breaking 2 of them within a week around @2010, I won't be giving them my hard earned money unless they miraculously change it up to a decent woodshop.
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I'll hold off on forming an opinion until Monica chimes in
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(http://i.imgur.com/DQFoCKz.jpg)
Slayed.
I can't wait to pirate Away Days.
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mike bounced from dc after seeing a bad shoe design with his name on it
he also bounced from Vans after they produced a shitload of shoes with his name on it as well. because someone didn't say hi to him at a tradeshow if i remember correctly.
90% of you crying over this have spent the better part of the last 7 years talking shit on crailtap's quality incessantly on this message board. what do you think is more damaging to the company, badmouthing their products en masse, or one of their team riders choosing to wear a different kind of shoes?
guess what. your idols aren't what you think they are. as i said earlier, this is one side of a story, i'm sure there is plenty more to this that we're not yet privy to, so maybe you all should put away your pitchforks for a minute.
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The one pair of Adidas I bought ripped apart easily and almost immediately, then I used them to mow the lawn and then I tossed them. The only pair of Nike's are now the ones I use to mow the lawn at least they hold together.
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mike bounced from dc after seeing a bad shoe design with his name on it
he also bounced from Vans after they produced a shitload of shoes with his name on it as well. �because someone didn't say hi to him at a tradeshow if i remember correctly.
90% of you crying over this have spent the better part of the last 7 years talking shit on crailtap's quality incessantly on this message board. �what do you think is more damaging to the company, badmouthing their products en masse, or one of their team riders choosing to wear a different kind of shoes?
guess what. �your idols aren't what you think they are. �as i said earlier, this is one side of a story, i'm sure there is plenty more to this that we're not yet privy to, so maybe you all should put away your pitchforks for a minute. �
suck butts
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Ahahah man so funny. I really hope Carroll sees this.
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you can't post as much as you have in this thread and claim everybody else is crying.
lol, what was that, my second post? wtf are you talking about?
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mike bounced from dc after seeing a bad shoe design with his name on it
he also bounced from Vans after they produced a shitload of shoes with his name on it as well. because someone didn't say hi to him at a tradeshow if i remember correctly.
90% of you crying over this have spent the better part of the last 7 years talking shit on crailtap's quality incessantly on this message board. what do you think is more damaging to the company, badmouthing their products en masse, or one of their team riders choosing to wear a different kind of shoes?
guess what. your idols aren't what you think they are. as i said earlier, this is one side of a story, i'm sure there is plenty more to this that we're not yet privy to, so maybe you all should put away your pitchforks for a minute.
the mike carroll vans were so dope.
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I would still buy the MJ Lakai shoe if I knew the cash would all go to MC etc and not MJ.
Pretty sure if they have a ton of his shoe in production they will continue without his name on the shoe. This has happened before elsewhere.
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I would still buy the MJ Lakai shoe if I knew the cash would all go to MC etc and not MJ.
Maybe that can be NeckEar's next shoe when Enerica finally runs out of MJs
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That Pshop is epic. Nice one Iceman.
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Completely siding with Carroll here. The way he spoke amicably regarding Koston suggests that MJ really acted in poor taste here.
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Jesus, I went to work and this shit blew up!
Carroll is a g. A complete g. I was actually debating giving lakai another chance after seeing the mj's all throughout gx1000... I guess I still will if they come out
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Its probably been said in this thread and multiple others but MJ is drinking again which would explain his bitter split from Crailtap. Those dudes took him to rehab and during Stay Flared he was only drinking not skating the demos.
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about 250+ people are lurking this page right now this is insane...
All looking to peep some of that bomb photoshop we just got hit with. SLAP photoshop reached new heights.
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So basically they have to throw away all their MJ products (boards, shoes and so on) which is most likely costing Crailtap a lot of money. Maybe the nail in the coffin?
The Shoes will probaly end up going the route of Marshalls and Ross, so if you actually like Lakais you will be able to find some MJs for $25-30 soon. Boards could go a few different routes, sometimes you send them back to the woodshop and have them paint over them and put a new heat transfer on, a lot deck companies now have a heat transfer machine in house and a lot of boards transfer by pre orders. So potentially they may only have a few hundred MJ boards pre graphiced, a lot of companies end up giving those boards out to flow riders and am guys and jsut have them ride all those up. Your supposed to pay even x riders for every board with their name on it so when companies are bitter they find a way to dump that product for free and take it off taxes, thats why when PRod quit they gave a away like 2000 of his boards in contest. Im sure the main kid that one that is sitting on 200 or so unskated 7.5 Prod Girl Decks. If you quit a company without them being able to sell their old product first the new company is responsible to purchase all that product, i read a Hawk thing that said all of his OG Birdhouse boards were repainted and screened Willy Santos boards they had to buy off of G&S cuz he didnt quit correctly.
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Does anyone remember when MJ quit Emerica how shittly he did it? He was still under contract so he couldn't say he quit but he's in every 411 skating in blatant Nikes and Adidas, yet because similar production stuff and contract issues Emerica still had to pretend he was on the company.
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I really wonder what Jerry Hsu thinks about all this madness...
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I really wonder what Jerry Hsu thinks about all this madness...
I kinda feel bad for him. I wonder if he'll bail now. Marc was probably a big reason why he got on Chocolate and wanted to be there
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Good job Mike, respect
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Will this fizzle out and die or will it be the start of something big? Or am I just high and paranoid?
More photochops!
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I was just looking on Ebay for an MJ deck, but the graphics are all regular especially the Beavis and Butthead one. That about sums up all of this.
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you're welcome everyone
oh shit!
I feel like I've really grown to know the locals of this site so I decided to make an account hook you guys up while this is still on my friends channel
how exactly did he get the video? I thought it wasn't available until the 29th.
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you're welcome everyone
oh shit!
I feel like I've really grown to know the locals of this site so I decided to make an account hook you guys up while this is still on my friends channel
My nigg
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Major props for that. Now someone rip it and upload it for download.
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http://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)
skate warehouse is already on it... 33.33 for MJ's
I have a feeling the Jerry MJ this is a very nostalgic friendship, I have them myself... great friends for years and years, but those were years and years ago. Jerry is not getting tattoo's with MJ, but with Spanky. Also Jerry knowing Marc well, it may not be such a surprise to him... I'm just guessing of course. I like Jerry on Chocolate and I hope that relationships stays healthy.
I still have a good amount of crail tap questions I would like answers too, not that I deserve them, but I'm sure you all feel the same... A Rick Howard interview about all the other things would be great.
Skateboarding just gets more and more interesting that is for sure.
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I really wonder what Jerry Hsu thinks about all this madness...
I kinda feel bad for him. I wonder if he'll bail now. Marc was probably a big reason why he got on Chocolate and wanted to be there
Same here seems like a tough spot. I'd stay if I were him he's fucking killing it right now I also feel he's somewhat surpassed MJ in terms of the level of quality and frequency of his footage/photos.
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Whether or not you like any of the Crailtap companies or Carroll or MJ, I think the big takeaway from this interview is how fucking lame it is for Big Corporate Shoes to be telling riders what boards to skate and what sponsors are "cool" and who to hang out with.
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Does anyone remember when MJ quit Emerica how shittly he did it? He was still under contract so he couldn't say he quit but he's in every 411 skating in blatant Nikes and Adidas, yet because similar production stuff and contract issues Emerica still had to pretend he was on the company.
He was doing that on A-Team too
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Whether or not you like any of the Crailtap companies or Carroll or MJ, I think the big takeaway from this interview is how fucking lame it is for Big Corporate Shoes to be telling riders what boards to skate and what sponsors are "cool" and who to hang out with.
Well, to be fair in the Lucas Puig interview he said Adidas encouraged skaters to put on t's of their own companies and did not have them all blown out in Adidas gear.
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Slap in general right now feels like when you have a sick low key house party and it just goes viral and a bunch of random guests show up and basically you can't even move around the house it's so packed. The site keeps getting all slow.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=o2Ztus1-cbw
you're welcome everyone
fuck yes. thank you.
gonna watch now!
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Look, brwxstl, you are responding as though Mike Carroll is pissed and/or bitter that MJ left for adidas. Reading the interview that isn't the case. No one is blaming MJ for wanting to go out and get a better deal. Mike Carroll said, You�ve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldn�t feel comfortable asking you to stick around.
The problem is the way MJ executed his departure. So I could totally see why Mike Carroll would be fucking pissed.
Exactly,those shoes in production and shipping,have been pre-booked sales for several seasons, that forecasted revenue has been spent, commissions paid etc, Marc Johnson is a piece of shit
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Did anyone see Brink's insta? Care to comment, Brink?
https://instagram.com/p/BFfkJWSG7_N/
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Did anyone see Brink's insta? Care to comment, Brink?
https://instagram.com/p/BFfkJWSG7_N/ (https://instagram.com/p/BFfkJWSG7_N/)
He has been commenting
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Did anyone see Brink's insta? Care to comment, Brink?
https://instagram.com/p/BFfkJWSG7_N/ (https://instagram.com/p/BFfkJWSG7_N/)
He has been commenting
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Guns N' Roses-Civil War w/Lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1fHxPY3TJo#)
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Mike Carroll Plan B Virtual Reality 1993 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxTdgnF8GEo#)
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threads weird to me
so no one else reading this can relate to having your pay cut several times while having much larger offers at the tail end of your career and leaving for the bigger offer? clearly mj's offer was contingent on timing with the away days video and either way carrol was going to be pissed so not much to gain on that front. i've never in my life not lied to my current employer\client when getting ready to jump to a new employer\client. that's just not how it works, lying is part of career\negotiating. you find your next gig, hand in your two weeks and bounce. carrol also said that mj held out for ages, turning down larger offers. it feels to me like like mj kept it business but carrol is making it personal. not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
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Guys like Brink are all-in on having a job in the skate industry. Did y'all think he would bite the hand that feeds?
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Did anyone see Brink's insta? Care to comment, Brink?
https://instagram.com/p/BFfkJWSG7_N/
Brink on Nike
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pretty sure Brink's comment was a shot at Expedition
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Brink advocating for consumer sovereignty. ::)
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imagine all the financial information and Lakai emails/communications that will be available to the public if Crail sues MJ ... does California have an electronic docket? or am I going to have to pay someone to make a ton of copies? ��
MJ's lawyer had better ask for that lost Ty part in discovery!!!
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I can't speak for Cali but typically discovery items are only posted on the ecf if they are attached to a filing that gets posted on the ecf. Also it would be dumb to sue mj alone (although even if there was no contract there is a detrimental reliance claim). You go for the deeper pockets- in this case adidas for a tortious interference claim. Which would also bring out the far more interesting adidas emails about mj and a good timeline about what happened when.
arg. didnt even think of that...gonna have to wait til summary judgment.
oooh. what about a counterclaim against chocolate for retaliatory discharge based on one's god given right to wear the shoes of one's choice? maybe whistleblower? did MJ see something he shouldnt have on the crail couch? chocolate already engaged in some spoliation deleting that IG post.
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brink is just looking at this for what it is. how you going to cut one of your top performers pay over and over and not expect them to jump. it's a bad business decision.
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Someone copy paste interview. Website is down
I'm not sure if it's only me but Jenkem almost NEVER works when I use Chrome. I use some other browser and it loads no problem.
Anyone else have this issue?
P.S. Mike is the man!
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did no one notice that the new adidas video has been posted in this thread
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threads weird to me
so no one else reading this can relate to having your pay cut several times while having much larger offers at the tail end of your career and leaving for the bigger offer? clearly mj's offer was contingent on timing with the away days video and either way carrol was going to be pissed so not much to gain on that front. i've never in my life not lied to my current employer\client when getting ready to jump to a new employer\client. that's just not how it works, lying is part of career\negotiating. you find your next gig, hand in your two weeks and bounce. carrol also said that mj held out for ages, turning down larger offers. it feels to me like like mj kept it business but carrol is making it personal. not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
1.) you said hand in your two weeks, you dont just peace out the day before, if you did peace out then you onviously font have respect for the employer, which is why MC is mad is because he was disrespected.
2.) your boss is most likely not a long time friend of yours
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did no one notice that the new adidas video has been posted in this thread
Of course. No spoilers but you're safe to go pee during Lem's part.
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Maybe people weren't trying to shout it out loud so that and of the 200 lurkers who may be affiliated with it don't try and shit it down
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Brink's instagram post was made 21 hours ago...Carroll's interview was posted like 8 hours ago...
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not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
Hah. This is not a PHD comment here.
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threads weird to me
so no one else reading this can relate to having your pay cut several times while having much larger offers at the tail end of your career and leaving for the bigger offer? clearly mj's offer was contingent on timing with the away days video and either way carrol was going to be pissed so not much to gain on that front. i've never in my life not lied to my current employer\client when getting ready to jump to a new employer\client. that's just not how it works, lying is part of career\negotiating. you find your next gig, hand in your two weeks and bounce. carrol also said that mj held out for ages, turning down larger offers. it feels to me like like mj kept it business but carrol is making it personal. not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
1.) you said hand in your two weeks, you dont just peace out the day before, if you did peace out then you onviously font have respect for the employer, which is why MC is mad is because he was disrespected.
2.) your boss is most likely not a long time friend of yours
1) that's fair and blind siding them at the premier was probably wrong but it felt like mike was putting a lot of pressure on something that mj couldn't actually do and we haven't heard his side. do you really think he was a pathological lier but they kept him around so long and got so butt hurt when he left?
2) also fair but everyone knows friends and business doesn't mix. it's a mistake to assume that friendship will overrule finances for a family man.
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threads weird to me
so no one else reading this can relate to having your pay cut several times while having much larger offers at the tail end of your career and leaving for the bigger offer? clearly mj's offer was contingent on timing with the away days video and either way carrol was going to be pissed so not much to gain on that front. i've never in my life not lied to my current employer\client when getting ready to jump to a new employer\client. that's just not how it works, lying is part of career\negotiating. you find your next gig, hand in your two weeks and bounce. carrol also said that mj held out for ages, turning down larger offers. it feels to me like like mj kept it business but carrol is making it personal. not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
I said this earlier. They're just gonna tell you that your reading comprehension sucks, that MJ's an alcoholic, and that Carroll is a really nice guy.
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"Fuck the industry bitch im in these streets"-Waka Flockaa
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brink is just looking at this for what it is. how you going to cut one of your top performers pay over and over and not expect them to jump. it's a bad business decision.
They didn't cut his pay, everyone else's did for a while, then when Marc was looking at getting his pay cut for the first time he swallowed his integrity, went back on his word and bounced.
Did you even read it?
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1.) Meza will probably be editing the next Lakai video
2.) Going to watch Fully Flared and try and act like it's still 2007
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oh shit!
I feel like I've really grown to know the locals of this site so I decided to make an account hook you guys up while this is still on my friends channel
Someone promote this guy to pal status already
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Brink's post is super weird, I'm not a fan of the majority of memes anyway. Good point it could be about exp-1...man MJ lying to his face is the worst! He's the top paid employee and fucked his company over like that? If it was the other way around and Lakai firing him out of the blue for no reason, MJ would be livid!
I completely understand Carroll's response thinking about the position I'm in currently. I personally happen to be doing extremely well for the company I work for (not my salary but performance) and even if I gave them my 2 week notice they would be devastated. If I just bounced with no notice they would be heated, especially bouncing to a competitor in the same industry and have my hiring be announced to the same industry on a grand scale at some event party, with my co-workers present and them not knowing.
A move like that will haunt you for a long time, possibly forever. For sure it will tarnish your reputation and image in the industry and people will doubt you and not trust you. Carroll should send the wolves...I can't see MJ on any board company honestly. I can't believe he lied like that the night before the premier with the entire staff and team riders there. That was fucking dark, pathological liar is a pretty good description, what a psycho...his long ass hard on cigarette pack artwork exemplifies it.
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Just finished and some random thoughts:
- Lucas's skating is so different from Fully Flared. Little to no combos. Love the Pet Shop Boys song.
- I like TX but hate Troy Ave.
- Gonz's fillers were nice. Had a Nike Krooked vibe.
- Sucui's song made me want to go to sleep but he got footage all over the world. He definitely has that Habitat around the world part.
- Nak and Jake had a good part. Kind of had that Beebs and Wilson vibe. A lot of power. Jake friggin ollie a meter machine.
- Nestor had a very Nestor part if that makes sense. Good skating though.
- Miles kid is good. A lot of big stuff and ledges.
- Lem was pretty boring. Definitely not the same level as his Diagonal part.
- The short Daewon and MJ session is like tarnished as hell but they actually look rad in Adidas.
- Durrant and Navarro part was an odd favorite of mine cause I like Public Enemy songs in skate videos but it was super short.
- Majerus is that really young good skater not real vibe for the old guys.
- Tyshawn had that breakout rookie part that I thought Nak was going to have. Ender was rad.
- Silas had dope part too. He skates everything as well. Good spots too. No real LA stuff.
- Busenitz had my favorite part but I am biased. Just love how he skates. Hopping all over the place. Does;t matter the city. He's just the best.
For whatever reason, this vid did not flow right. I guess it just shows how everyone is different and skates different. Music was just like not motivating and just went from trap to some mellow shit.
Overall.....it seemed like one long as vid. A little too long for me. But props again for the Youtube link. Saved me from going to the premiere this weekend.
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Im shopping for track pants with matching adidas now. Fuck lakai.
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Well, I'd say Suciu is recovered all right. Holy fucking crap.
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MJ being a kook again? But ... but, that just seems so out of character for him ::)
The end is nigh my brethren, the end is nigh...
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tearin up a little
Year In Pictures 2005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRokO7GeTDI#)
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whoever said the skateboarding world is full of nice guys? it's ALWAYS been full of dickheads and assholes, since the very beginning. that's not the reason many people oppose the big corporate takeover. we just don't want to go to modell's to buy our skate shit and have it taken over by organized sports culture. people who keep turning this into a moral dilemma about skater's incomes and treatment of skaters and sweatshops and all that other stuff just don't fucking get it and are unnecessarily complicating the issue. this is a war. pick a side. there's no real good guy.
but then again, people with fickle loyalties who easily cave to trends wouldn't get it, I guess.
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is SOTY busenitz's to lose?
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whoever said the skateboarding world is full of nice guys? it's ALWAYS been full of dickheads and assholes, since the very beginning.
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is SOTY busenitz's to lose?
He got Snoop's endorsement.
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I see you, fam...
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Ya know, we haven't had irrefutable proof that MJ knew he'd be announced in the video and that he blatantly lied to MC's face the night before it premiered. (Although I don't believe that for a second but just saying)
I like the part where this discussion has dissected into two commentaries on the video and MJ being lame.
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So does everyone on Adidas have to look like they just came back from a five set tennis match with those short shorts above the knees and then go skate?
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Isn't it crazy that just a year ago Stay Flared happened, which was suppose to be this big tour that was suppose to unite 2 "core" brands together simply "because we can" and everyone was hyped because it showed that these brand ain't going anywhere anytime soon. In one year now we are talking who will be next to go to the 3 stripes or the swoosh from both teams.
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Major props for that. Now someone rip it and upload it for download.
it's downloading right now, shits gonna be lit
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Isn't it crazy that just a year ago Stay Flared happened, which was suppose to be this big tour that was suppose to unite 2 "core" brands together simply "because we can" and everyone was hyped because it showed that these brand ain't going anywhere anytime soon. In one year now we are talking who will be next to go to the 3 stripes or the swoosh from both teams.
Granted, when there's smoke there's fire re: Reynolds, but so far Emerica has stayed intact
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
I can look into this.
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of course the german gets the last part.
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I bet Nike and Adidas have skate stopped ledges at their headquarters.
I can look into this.
Converse's Boston HQ has some 'stopped ledges :D
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i see carroll's chesthairs lurking here
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Adidas video post:
The benny/chewy intro with the rotating camera reminded me of this in fully flared for some reason
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Just got home from work, went on Slap, read the Jenkem interview: my thoughts -
I feel no pity for Crailtap, a company that invested actual money and produced product for the Trunk Boyz. Let's read those two words again - Trunk Boyz. Something you would associate with Metal Mulisha.
Pretty Sweet was and I stand by this, one of the worst skate videos I have even seen.
MC should have stayed silent instead of bitching about this on Jenkem.com. Are kidding me Mike? Fuckin sit down with Marc and Rick at some coffee shop and talk about it like men and homies.
Scott Johnston left the Lakai art department for Adidas. I'm bummed that MJ got kicked off Chocolate like this. I'm officially done caring about Crailtap, no, I was done with Crailtap after Pretty Sweet.
What about all of the other shit with this company in recent years. Why stop here Mike, reveal more, all of the other bullshit. You call Karsten a kook, you know what some kooky shit is, running a company that sets such high expectations that no one can live up to. Being on Girl or Chocolate is mecca, it's god like, get the fuck out of here.
I grew up watching mouse and Chocolate Tour, I watched those tapes over and over. I was actually happy and content in my own life that Marc Johnson was with Chocolate, I know that seems weird, but cosmically MJ on Chocolate was harmony.
Bye Crailtap, you're unrealistic goals and super star skateboarders and paycuts and other industry bullshit is insignificant to just getting on your board and having a good day.
Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
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Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
I don't think anyone is questioning his ability on the plank with four wheels (carroll included)
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reading all 12 pages paid off
thanks for that link, and of course the opinions
this is the last time i take more than a day off from slap
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Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
I don't think anyone is questioning his ability on the plank with four wheels (carroll included)
Rightfully so, just got to vent you know.
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Just got home from work, went on Slap, read the Jenkem interview: my thoughts -
I feel no pity for Crailtap, a company that invested actual money and produced product for the Trunk Boyz. Let's read those two words again - Trunk Boyz. Something you would associate with Metal Mulisha.
Pretty Sweet was and I stand by this, one of the worst skate videos I have even seen.
MC should have stayed silent instead of bitching about this on Jenkem.com. Are kidding me Mike? Fuckin sit down with Marc and Rick at some coffee shop and talk about it like men and homies.
Scott Johnston left the Lakai art department for Adidas. I'm bummed that MJ got kicked off Chocolate like this. I'm officially done caring about Crailtap, no, I was done with Crailtap after Pretty Sweet.
What about all of the other shit with this company in recent years. Why stop here Mike, reveal more, all of the other bullshit. You call Karsten a kook, you know what some kooky shit is, running a company that sets such high expectations that no one can live up to. Being on Girl or Chocolate is mecca, it's god like, get the fuck out of here.
I grew up watching mouse and Chocolate Tour, I watched those tapes over and over. I was actually happy and content in my own life that Marc Johnson was with Chocolate, I know that seems weird, but cosmically MJ on Chocolate was harmony.
Bye Crailtap, you're unrealistic goals and super star skateboarders and paycuts and other industry bullshit is insignificant to just getting on your board and having a good day.
Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
Yeah, it does sound like you're just biased for Marc against all of the other prevailing information, including Marc's holier than thou/self-important posturing in Jenkem just a few years prior. I think the point of the MC interview is that they couldnt handle it over coffee. Marc Johnson did not return calls and lied, and then jumped ship.
But thanks for stopping by.
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welcome to flavour country
the july embargo of marcs departure must have been agreed in order for lakai to sell and
ship a certain amount of shoes to make marcs new model profitable
mike never really went full business in his interview saying how much money crailtap
was going to lose after just releasing a pro model for a skater that doesnt ride for their company
mike bounced from dc after seeing a bad shoe design with his name on it
but marc bounced from lakai after they made and produced the damn shoe
as if crailtap have that kinda money to lose in the first place
also in line with the story about karsten's manager trying to get him on girl
didnt marc try and get on quasi not too long ago, would that be some manger
trying to overhaul marcs look into something edgier and more cool. Where do you get that from? Marc trying to get on quasi?
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MC should have stayed silent instead of bitching about this on Jenkem.com. Are kidding me Mike? Fuckin sit down with Marc and Rick at some coffee shop and talk about it like men and homies.
They were... and then Marc fucked them. Then Mike tried to contact him and Marc ignores him.
Scott Johnston left the Lakai art department for Adidas. I'm bummed that MJ got kicked off Chocolate like this.
Scott left, Koston left, Guy Left, yet he isn't bad mouthing them, hmm.... Also Marc already made the choice to not be on Chocolate anymore when he decided to fuck them over.
You call Karsten a kook
He didn't. He called Kasper at Nike a kook for wanting to get Karsten on Girl instead of Element after they stole him after a week on Lakai.
Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
Surprise, he's a hypocrite and apparently a lying asshole. But that doesn't mean you have to hate his skating.
Man I can't wait to hear MJ try and explain all this. If he doesn't say anything at this point then it really must be as bad as it sounds.
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Just got home from work, went on Slap, read the Jenkem interview: my thoughts -
I feel no pity for Crailtap, a company that invested actual money and produced product for the Trunk Boyz. Let's read those two words again - Trunk Boyz. Something you would associate with Metal Mulisha.
Pretty Sweet was and I stand by this, one of the worst skate videos I have even seen.
MC should have stayed silent instead of bitching about this on Jenkem.com. Are kidding me Mike? Fuckin sit down with Marc and Rick at some coffee shop and talk about it like men and homies. �
Scott Johnston left the Lakai art department for Adidas. I'm bummed that MJ got kicked off Chocolate like this. I'm officially done caring about Crailtap, no, I was done with Crailtap after Pretty Sweet.
What about all of the other shit with this company in recent years. Why stop here Mike, reveal more, all of the other bullshit. You call Karsten a kook, you know what some kooky shit is, running a company that sets such high expectations that no one can live up to. �Being on Girl or Chocolate is mecca, it's god like, get the fuck out of here.
I grew up watching mouse and Chocolate Tour, I watched those tapes over and over. I was actually happy and content in my own life that Marc Johnson was with Chocolate, I know that seems weird, but cosmically MJ on Chocolate was harmony.
Bye Crailtap, you're unrealistic goals and super star skateboarders and paycuts and other industry bullshit is insignificant to just getting on your board and having a good day.
Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
He never said anything bad about Karsten, he was calling out Kaspar at nike for trying to get Karsten on Girl right after he left Lakai for Nike.
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Silas Baxter Neal had my favorite part. Dude is somehow underrated. So well rounded, it's ridiculous. Skating to the Pixies was bonus points.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
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So now that I am over the shock at how raw that interview was (and finished my grad work), I want to chime in some more...
-The biggest interview in God knows how long was on Jenkem...let that sink in.
-Cant wait to read the unnecessarily convoluted boil the ocean post about this article.
-I'm not going to pass judgement until I hear what MJ has to say. If it was something Adidas snuck in there he is in a hard place, he can't just say "yeah Adidas fucked that up" right when he is getting on. For all we know there was a weird part of the agreement that just didn't sit right with MJ, who the fuck knows. I just can't roll with the hive mentality that MJ is suddenly the biggest kook ever based on an angry rant of a millionaire businessman.
-That said, if everything Carroll said is the whole truth, MJ gotta man up, apologize for it, and move on.
-Speaking of which, what company is going to touch him? Whatever Guy and Koston has cooking up? or Quasi? Skate Mental?
- This also makes me want to revisit the Ty Evans / MJ pretty sweet beef, maybe there were more truth bombs in there than we thought.
- When did Lucas Puig get so buff?
-Blondey McCoy rips, but doesn't he seem like a one-off 'Regular Show' Character?
- The only person who has ever properly skated to Snoop Dogg was Furby in the Deathwish video. Editors always wanna play his Death Row or Neptunes stuff, when his songs on No Limit are probably his most obscure and skate video worthy.
- The mini Palace promo BODIED Away Days
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
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When it comes to Marc's reasons for leaving Lakai (and joining adidas, which now has the highest percentage of "Marks" per capita), he plainly isn't concerned with the backlash. The understanding is that people will come to their own conclusions, with the simplest explanation being overwhelmingly popular (the ubiquitous "money talks" popping up on the message boards) and so rudimentary that it highlights how truly ignorant the commentators are. "You know what? Don't make a judgment until you really understand the facts about why somebody would leave a company they were with for fifteen-twenty years," Marc says. "Maybe do a little digging. 'Cause it's a good thing."
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busenitz, SBN, and Suciu were my favourite parts.
also, my sig.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
The girlfriend-from-hell analogy rings true for Marc, and he gets a little more specific. "At some point the bullshit wears thin. You've got ideas, and when you outrun the company and you've got all these ideas and the company can't keep up? It's ridiculous," Marc says. "You just talk to somebody who's willing to do these projects, [someone] who is progressive."
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- This also makes me want to revisit the Ty Evans / MJ pretty sweet beef, maybe there were more truth bombs in there than we think.
anyone have a link to that stuff? particularly what ty said about mj.
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Silas Baxter Neal had my favorite part. Dude is somehow underrated. So well rounded, it's ridiculous. Skating to the Pixies was bonus points.
Damn right, his part was really good.
Also isn't it funny that Kaspar at Nike is looking to put Karsten on another team instead of Element, and where does he end up?
Not helping those rumours of Skate Mental being Nike affiliated much.
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Done with Daewon too. He should not be exempt from the shade.
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-Blondey McCoy rips, but doesn't he seem like a one-off 'Regular Show' Character?
He seemed like the skateboarding embodiment of Spuds from Trainspotting.
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Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
The girlfriend-from-hell analogy rings true for Marc, and he gets a little more specific. "At some point the bullshit wears thin. You've got ideas, and when you outrun the company and you've got all these ideas and the company can't keep up? It's ridiculous," Marc says. "You just talk to somebody who's willing to do these projects, [someone] who is progressive."
What. A . Fucking. Kook.
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If someone can remember Ty's account name on slap, you could probably find it that way. He was on here defending the angry mob on his role on Pretty Sweet, basically blaming the editing on Feds, complaining about MJ (ironic since I think his Pretty Sweet part is both of their best work), chimed in a little bit on how unreliable Pops was, etc.
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Can somebody give a medal to whoever selected the music for away days. Perfume Genius was perfect for alec majerus.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
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When it comes to Marc's reasons for leaving Lakai (and joining adidas, which now has the highest percentage of "Marks" per capita), he plainly isn't concerned with the backlash. The understanding is that people will come to their own conclusions, with the simplest explanation being overwhelmingly popular (the ubiquitous "money talks" popping up on the message boards) and so rudimentary that it highlights how truly ignorant the commentators are. "You know what? Don't make a judgment until you really understand the facts about why somebody would leave a company they were with for fifteen-twenty years," Marc says. "Maybe do a little digging. 'Cause it's a good thing."
Well Mike dug up some stuff... What do you have to say now Marc?
That other quote is pretty funny not even knowing the context. "I'm just a real ideas man. I really hate it when companies can't keep up with my great ideas. Errrg, why can't they understand my great ideas? So ridiculous. These big companies I hated on for years just seem to get me. They are so progressive."
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^Yah Silias is ridiculous, stylish, completely well rounded, but I'm part of the majority that doesn't care either. Can't put a finger on it.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
Heated:
When it comes to Marc's reasons for leaving Lakai (and joining adidas, which now has the highest percentage of "Marks" per capita), he plainly isn't concerned with the backlash. The understanding is that people will come to their own conclusions, with the simplest explanation being overwhelmingly popular (the ubiquitous "money talks" popping up on the message boards) and so rudimentary that it highlights how truly ignorant the commentators are. "You know what? Don't make a judgment until you really understand the facts about why somebody would leave a company they were with for fifteen-twenty years," Marc says. "Maybe do a little digging. 'Cause it's a good thing."
Well Mike dug up some stuff... What do you have to say now Marc?
Yep, my thoughts exactly. It's hilarious that he's saying that people need to do their research as if people not in the skate industry can find out what's going on behind the scenes with 5 minutes of Googling.
Also, I guess we are at that point where official responses and press releases are getting released when people change teams. That TSM piece is the most "corporate standard" piece I could have thought to write while trying too hard not to make that obvious. Notice how there was no by-line? It is exactly something that Berra would approve or push people to put out.
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That Skateboard Mag article is nothing, but an Adidas advertisement. MJ looks even worse now.
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Also Miles skating to Skepta was such a good choice.
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If the back 40 is a representation of his "ideas" unleashed then maybe he needs to keep his ideas to himself. Maybe its not so much that Lakai didn't give him the opportunity to make some of his ideas a reality and instead its that maybe your ideas suck Marc.....maybe its that. Also i wonder how long Adidas was coming after him since Carroll said years, i remember having the Marc Johnson 3 shoe and how it almost looked like an adidas campus shoe with the 2 stripes on the side.
(http://i.imgur.com/cy2nyko.jpg?1)
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busenitz, SBN, and Suciu were my favourite parts.
also, my sig.
God damn
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If the back 40 is a representation of his "ideas" unleashed then maybe he needs to keep his ideas to himself. Maybe its not so much that Lakai didn't give him the opportunity to make some of his ideas a reality and instead its that maybe your ideas suck Marc.....maybe its that. Also i wonder how long Adidas was coming after him since Carroll said years, i remember having the Marc Johnson 3 shoe and how it almost looked like an adidas campus shoe with the 2 stripes on the side.
(http://i.imgur.com/cy2nyko.jpg?1)
When MJ 2 lakai first came out, even the stripes were thin to resemble adidas, later models had the bigger stripe pattern. (photo above)
(https://floatingsinkingship.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/lakaimj2.jpg)
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Nestor Judkins is alternate timeline Clark Hassler where he takes his meds.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
Heated:
When it comes to Marc's reasons for leaving Lakai (and joining adidas, which now has the highest percentage of "Marks" per capita), he plainly isn't concerned with the backlash. The understanding is that people will come to their own conclusions, with the simplest explanation being overwhelmingly popular (the ubiquitous "money talks" popping up on the message boards) and so rudimentary that it highlights how truly ignorant the commentators are. "You know what? Don't make a judgment until you really understand the facts about why somebody would leave a company they were with for fifteen-twenty years," Marc says. "Maybe do a little digging. 'Cause it's a good thing."
Well Mike dug up some stuff... What do you have to say now Marc?
Yep, my thoughts exactly.� It's hilarious that he's saying that people need to do their research as if people not in the skate industry can find out what's going on behind the scenes with 5 minutes of Googling.
Also, I guess we are at that point where official responses and press releases are getting released when people change teams.� That TSM piece is the most "corporate standard" piece I could have thought to write while trying too hard not to make that obvious.� Notice how there was no by-line?� It is exactly something that Berra would approve or push people to put out.
Exactly. One reason I come to these boards is to try to get a pebble of truth about what is happening in the skate industry. I parse through the unreliable comments and take some stock in what posters who are reliable or seem to know what they are talking about say. Even those, I take with a grain of salt. If Marc wanted to explain his reasons explicitly, I wouldn't have to do any of this. I'd love to be able to research the reasons he left and get objective, reliable information, but I can't.
I think one of the reasons people come to this board is because so much is in the dark with skating. It's not even common knowledge how much an average skater makes a year, which is actually sort of crazy. I can't really even think of a field where this information is so tightly controlled. Especially one that produces so many public figures. Skaters are also incredibly opaque about things in interviews. So, people that are really into skating speculate, makes complete sense.
I think it's awesome how straightforward Mike Carroll was about all of this. I hope Marc Johnson does the same thing.
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There's always a chance that MJ didnt know (about the announcement) until the day after he talked to Mike. Or what if his telephone wires were getting crossed or something and that's y he missed mikes calls. :o :o :o :o :o :o
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If Marc hasn't fell off the wagon recently (as hinted) he definitely has after today.
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GNARLY!!!! Almost slept on slap today. Glad I decided to lurk.
Anyhow, I thought Mike was going to talk about the current state of affairs and not focus in on people, MJ in particular. The Jenkem article just left me wanting to know more about his thoughts on the crailtap state affairs following Fully Flare to present. So many riders started getting poached right away and it hasn't stopped since.
We need to know about Biebel and Guy (Him not even acknowledging Guy after Jenkem clearly addresses Guy and Koston is quite suspicious).
MJ, you are one of my favorite skaters. I never thought any of your skits or your back40 vignettes were funny, however, I look forward to watching you in the next Palace, Almost, or Enjoy video in the near future. I also stopped following the back40 months ago. Just thought to let you know, in case you are reading this.........
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mj is a bitch for being so boldly against sports companies then riding for one. pretty weak.
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Weird times we're living in. Lose my job, girlfriends dad gets divorced, girlfriends brother goes on a rampage, trump might be president, the dopest company of my childhood is imploding, and MJ is on a huge sports company and done broke my heart. When will this end?
Still trying to get over Koston being a fucking kook.
Fuuuuuhhhhhhhhh.
Video was good though.
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Let's not forget.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8koo3R9Nu60 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8koo3R9Nu60)
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Et Tu Brute?
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"The girlfriend-from-hell analogy rings true for Marc, and he gets a little more specific. "At some point the bullshit wears thin. You've got ideas, and when you outrun the company and you've got all these ideas and the company can't keep up? It's ridiculous," Marc says. "You just talk to somebody who's willing to do these projects, [someone] who is progressive."
He's going to be so happy to be unshackled from the ridged bounds of Lakai to the laid back homie vibe of the adidas where he will be free to guide the ship.
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Damn that TSM "interview" sounded like some Adidas guy wrote a press release to try to cover their asses. This is a legit shitshow.
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Done with Daewon too. He should not be exempt from the shade.
You take that back >:( Daewon gets a full pass imo
Here's why: dude never ran his mouth about corpo shoe companies, always let his skating do the talking, is modest as they come AND was loyal as FUCK to some wack-arse sponsors for 15+ years (is he still on tensor?). Daewon is THE contender for G.O.A.T; dude should make millions based on his insta clips alone. Get that scrilla Dae, you've earned it 5 times over!
When MJ 2 lakai first came out, even the stripes were thin to resemble adidas, later models had the bigger stripe pattern. (photo above)
(https://floatingsinkingship.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/lakaimj2.jpg)
That was until adidas threatened a law suit against lakai. #irony
Look, we all know Marc has liked the adidas aesthetic, and even skated in them throughout most of his parts, for as long as most of us can remember and that is fine. I mean I love Drake Jones as much as the next person! BUT there's a way to go about this, especially with people friends who backed him and his skating for so long.
Anyway, he can say what he likes about the whole fiasco, I doubt anyone will take him seriously after this recent turn of events.
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Haven't posted in over 2 1/2 years but this gets the old retirement post out.
Holy fuck. Carroll beasted that interview, one of the most savage interviews in memory. Extremely shady of MJ if it all went down how MC said. Interested to see a followup interview.
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Ahahah man so funny. I really hope Carroll sees this.
So, who is going to post it on IG and tag Marc? Shit is too funny!
Also, I'm interested to see where he ends up board sponsorwis. Kookston and Guy's new project (if it ever happens)?
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I guess Jerry Hsu will be off Chocolate soon aswell then
Maple , A team , Enjoi ,and now Chocolate
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Marc's quotes in that little adidas piece are irrelevant to this ordeal. It's not THAT he left, it's HOW he left.
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Ahahah man so funny. I really hope Carroll sees this.
So, who is going to post it on IG and tag Marc? Shit is too funny!
Also, I'm interested to see where he ends up board sponsorwis. Kookston and Guy's new project (if it ever happens)?
This seems like a job for Toby.
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holy, what interesting times.
my thoughts (who fucking cares):
1: Mike Carroll is the reason anybody gets to have a skateboarding career throughout their 40s.
2: MJ is a fucking out of towner KOOK.
all in all, here's my last observation ...
WAY TO FUCKING GO GROWN ASS MEN, nice industry you've created for yourselves.
Oh, and to Adidas - I happily stole your shit.
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Who cares, MJ and Daewon are over the hill. Like Manchester United trying to buy Ibrahimovic, clawing a bit of dying talent and credibility to an otherwise boring mega corp, let em cash out I say. Also Marc Johnson being dumb as a post is no surprise either I don't think he's the skate prophet some profess him to be.
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If Carroll calls you out for being a kook you better believe it.
Bringing back that old EMB vibe.
Always have and always will back Crailtap.
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he's off the team page:
http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/ (http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/)
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MJ and Daewon are over the hill.
Pity both of them are actually still progressing though (with Daewon headed to become fucking Yoda at this point) ;)
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For the Karsten part of the interview, here is a mega rough translation from this article: http://www.playboard.no/karsten-kleppan-har-fatt-ny-skosponsor (http://www.playboard.no/karsten-kleppan-har-fatt-ny-skosponsor)
Q: Why did you change from Lakai to Nike SB?
A: Bla bla it'sstupid to change sponsor when you're supposed to film a Lakai part, but the communication with the Lakai USA dudes wasn't on point and I wasn't really satisfied with that and bummed because of it. They put me on the AM team and all of that, but when Nike came with the offer they did I just couldn't say no. I've been skating for Lakai for a couple of years and sometimes you need a change.
I remember when he put out that Lakai part, and got on the team. He had no idea if he was officially on the EU team or the USA team. I have no idea how long it took for them to actually break a deal with him, but Mike Carroll posted a clip from his part way before he knew anything (that he was willing to share with friends anyway...).
I like Carroll, but he seems like ones of those guys that get really, really fucking pissed when someones changes from one of his sponsors.. I remember him even deleting the Karsten welcome clip off his Insta when Karsten left for Nike...
*as a note, this is how I remember it and not probably 100% accurate.
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Haven't posted in over 2 1/2 years but this gets the old retirement post out.
Holy fuck. Carroll beasted that interview, one of the most savage interviews in memory. Extremely shady of MJ if it all went down how MC said. Interested to see a followup interview.
It does hurt seeing Lakai and crailtap struggling
Same here - I had a hard time figuring out how to login...
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Marc's quotes in that little adidas piece are irrelevant to this ordeal. It's not THAT he left, it's HOW he left.
^^^
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he's off the team page:
http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/ (http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/)
That's odd, wonder if anything happened?
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Does Anyone else find it a bit suspicious that the same day Carroll publicly goes after MJ for announcing his leaving in Away Days, the video gets leaked here on the forum? Just saying I bet someone at Crailtap got the homie link .....
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he's off the team page:
http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/ (http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/)
That's odd, wonder if anything happened?
you must be kidding.
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Who cares, MJ and Daewon are over the hill. Like Manchester United trying to buy Ibrahimovic, clawing a bit of dying talent and credibility to an otherwise boring mega corp, let em cash out I say. Also Marc Johnson being dumb as a post is no surprise either I don't think he's the skate prophet some profess him to be.
MJ's been one of my favorites for a very, very long time, but dude has def gotten caught up in some stupid shit over the years. I remember some weird conspiracy theory shit at one point, and don't even get me started on his sense of humor (mostly via The Back Forty) over the past year or two...
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For the Karsten part of the interview, here is a mega rough translation from this article: http://www.playboard.no/karsten-kleppan-har-fatt-ny-skosponsor (http://www.playboard.no/karsten-kleppan-har-fatt-ny-skosponsor)
Q: Why did you change from Lakai to Nike SB?
A: Bla bla it'sstupid to change sponsor when you're supposed to film a Lakai part, but the communication with the Lakai USA dudes wasn't on point and I wasn't really satisfied with that and bummed because of it. They put me on the AM team and all of that, but when Nike came with the offer they did I just couldn't say no. I've been skating for Lakai for a couple of years and sometimes you need a change.
I remember when he put out that Lakai part, and got on the team. He had no idea if he was officially on the EU team or the USA team. I have no idea how long it took for them to actually break a deal with him, but Mike Carroll posted a clip from his part way before he knew anything (that he was willing to share with friends anyway...).
I like Carroll, but he seems like ones of those guys that get really, really fucking pissed when someones changes from one of his sponsors.. I remember him even deleting the Karsten welcome clip off his Insta when Karsten left for Nike...
*as a note, this is how I remember it and not probably 100% accurate.
I could see that being the case, because he put a lot of time into these guys just to see them get bought out, thats valid. That's too bad the communication wasnt good, im not saying Carroll was perfect, but deleting the karsten welcome clip when he quits for Nike a week later is 100% reasonable.
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he's off the team page:
http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/ (http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/)
That's odd, wonder if anything happened?
you must be kidding.
Slap of sarcasm.
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(P)lease (M)ake my day with the adidas link ::)
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Aaaaand the YouTube link is down.
PM me for DL links...
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Holy sssshit Carroll is a G! For those of who saying it was uncalled for.. Imagine spending months and months organizing for a product release just to have your rider instantly leave, leaving you with tons of product with a name printed on it of someone who doesn't even ride for you anymore, it's instantly obsolete.
Carroll handled that shit like a real boss, no respect has to be given after you've been fucked over. I'm going to buy crailtap product now.
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If you consider anything Carroll said bullshit, then think about how any lie on his part would open crailtap up to a slander/defamation of character/wrongful termination lawsuit.
Any job I've ever had would fire me if I cut off communication or got caught lying to my boss like that.
I'm sure adidas will let him slide if silence and/or lies is his mode of communication...
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mj fishing goldfish upriver,please dont let him be misunderstood,what a kook.
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Ahahah man so funny. I really hope Carroll sees this.
So, who is going to post it on IG and tag Marc? Shit is too funny!
Also, I'm interested to see where he ends up board sponsorwis. Kookston and Guy's new project (if it ever happens)?
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It's odd that of all people this went right over Brink's head. This entire thread has nothing to do with what is on their feet. Why do you think people aren't bagging on Daewon?
Maybe Brink has something against Carroll/Crail?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg.html)
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It's odd that of all people this went right over Brink's head. This entire thread has nothing to do with what is on their feet. Why do you think people aren't bagging on Daewon?
Maybe Brink has something against Carroll/Crail?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg.html)
i think there are two possibilities, one he isn't talking about this thread/MC's Jenkem article and it is more about other online shit where both are getting heat, not sure if there is much of that, or alternatively he is a bit of an industry shill.
I mean if you read the article it is clear it wasn't about him leaving, according to that article MC basically suggested he do it, now if there is more to it and Brink knows he should either spill it or not make posts that appear to completely miss the point, who knows.
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It's odd that of all people this went right over Brink's head. This entire thread has nothing to do with what is on their feet. Why do you think people aren't bagging on Daewon?
Maybe Brink has something against Carroll/Crail?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg.html)
i think there are two possibilities, one he isn't talking about this thread/MC's Jenkem article and it is more about other online shit where both are getting heat, not sure if there is much of that, or alternatively he is a bit of an industry shill.
I mean if you read the article it is clear it wasn't about him leaving, according to that article MC basically suggested he do it, now if there is more to it and Brink knows he should either spill it or not make posts that appear to completely miss the point, who knows.
Anyone hating on Daewon for making this move is a complete fucking pleb.
Daewon has paid his dues 2 lifetimes over with his less than stellar sponsorship history, and has a squeaky clean history with the words that come out his mouth.
MJ on the other hand.... Meh
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It's odd that of all people this went right over Brink's head. This entire thread has nothing to do with what is on their feet. Why do you think people aren't bagging on Daewon?
Maybe Brink has something against Carroll/Crail?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/brink_zpshajwjnkv.jpg.html)
Ride Channel article prediction:
Robert Brink speaks out on skate footwear and 90's pop punk
Brink 182
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I understand both sides here. Honestly Carroll has every right to feel betrayed and upset, however was Marc not also betrayed or put in a bad position? I think we can all agree that Marc would've liked to stay with Lakai but you can only take so many pay cuts without feeling taken advantage of or resentment. Marc has not slowed down not in the least, he had a 3 song part for fully flared at age 35 and the guy is almost 40 now and skating everyday, does he not deserve better? Sure he shouldn't have lied but of course this was out of his hands. Adidas obviously made a big invenstment in Marc and Daewon along with Away Days, not announcing them in this video would've been downright stupid and Adidas isn't stupid. I bet Marc was just too ashamed and embarrassed to let Mike down because they are/were friends and he just couldn't bring himself to do it. We've all had weak points if we are being honest with ourselves. Carroll for sure is upset and I get it but Crailtap has been bleeding riders for the last year BIG riders too and ones that have been around forever. Something is going on over there and it's easy to just feel sorry for Mike and Rick but this is the real world, adults have commitments and as I pointed out before for guys like Marc and Guy who haven't slowed down in the least bit why should their pay be decreased? Why should deals be made behind their backs? They've been loyal and have given these brands their all, do they not deserve more than that? Was Mike and Rick completely honest and open with Eric and Guy? I doubt it or things wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
I'm giving Marc a pass on this. Is it s shitty situation? Absolutely and I'm just Marc would agree. Is it harder to run a company with all these other brands moving in? Sure, but so is going out and skating every day at 30 let alone 40.
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I understand both sides here. Honestly Carroll has every right to feel betrayed and upset, however was Marc not also betrayed or put in a bad position? I think we can all agree that Marc would've liked to stay with Lakai but you can only take so many pay cuts without feeling taken advantage of or resentment. Marc has not slowed down not in the least, he had a 3 song part for fully flared at age 35 and the guy is almost 40 now and skating everyday, does he not deserve better? Sure he shouldn't have lied but of course this was out of his hands. Adidas obviously made a big invenstment in Marc and Daewon along with Away Days, not announcing them in this video would've been downright stupid and Adidas isn't stupid. I bet Marc was just too ashamed and embarrassed to let Mike down because they are/were friends and he just couldn't bring himself to do it. We've all had weak points if we are being honest with ourselves. Carroll for sure is upset and I get it but Crailtap has been bleeding riders for the last year BIG riders too and ones that have been around forever. Something is going on over there and it's easy to just feel sorry for Mike and Rick but this is the real world, adults have commitments and as I pointed out before for guys like Marc and Guy who haven't slowed down in the least bit why should their pay be decreased? Why should deals be made behind their backs? They've been loyal and have given these brands their all, do they not deserve more than that? Was Mike and Rick completely honest and open with Eric and Guy? I doubt it or things wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
I'm giving Marc a pass on this. Is it s shitty situation? Absolutely and I'm just Marc would agree. Is it harder to run a company with all these other brands moving in? Sure, but so is going out and skating every day at 30 let alone 40.
Reading comprehension is indeed through the floor today, let's clarify the collective opinion as it stands:
1. MJ moving to adidas is fine by most, even if he did talk shit in a Jenkem interview a few years ago. Carroll even supported that decision.
2. MJ failing to communicate with Mike Carroll and then outright lying to him the night before the announcement is a total dick move.
Point 2 is what everyone is throwing shade at MJ for, not the fact that he went to adidas...
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Does Anyone else find it a bit suspicious that the same day Carroll publicly goes after MJ for announcing his leaving in Away Days, the video gets leaked here on the forum? Just saying I bet someone at Crailtap got the homie link .....
Very likely considering once they saw Adidas has Busenitz skating to fucking SNOOP DOGG that crailtap knew the video would be a good weapon in this war. Almost ruined his part. Also that Blondie WANKA.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
Vid was long as all hell and could of been comfortably cut into two videos. That said, holy shit Lucas, Busenitz and Silas BN absolutely killed it!
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I'm up at 5 in the morning after a dream where I was reading this thread, which I think it's hilarious. I guess the notion that queers love drama really IS true.
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I understand both sides here. Honestly Carroll has every right to feel betrayed and upset, however was Marc not also betrayed or put in a bad position? I think we can all agree that Marc would've liked to stay with Lakai but you can only take so many pay cuts without feeling taken advantage of or resentment. Marc has not slowed down not in the least, he had a 3 song part for fully flared at age 35 and the guy is almost 40 now and skating everyday, does he not deserve better? Sure he shouldn't have lied but of course this was out of his hands. Adidas obviously made a big invenstment in Marc and Daewon along with Away Days, not announcing them in this video would've been downright stupid and Adidas isn't stupid. I bet Marc was just too ashamed and embarrassed to let Mike down because they are/were friends and he just couldn't bring himself to do it. We've all had weak points if we are being honest with ourselves. Carroll for sure is upset and I get it but Crailtap has been bleeding riders for the last year BIG riders too and ones that have been around forever. Something is going on over there and it's easy to just feel sorry for Mike and Rick but this is the real world, adults have commitments and as I pointed out before for guys like Marc and Guy who haven't slowed down in the least bit why should their pay be decreased? Why should deals be made behind their backs? They've been loyal and have given these brands their all, do they not deserve more than that? Was Mike and Rick completely honest and open with Eric and Guy? I doubt it or things wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
I'm giving Marc a pass on this. Is it s shitty situation? Absolutely and I'm just Marc would agree. Is it harder to run a company with all these other brands moving in? Sure, but so is going out and skating every day at 30 let alone 40.
Adults do have commitments in both friendship and business. MJ it seems didn't respect the business side of things, the truth got out and now he looks like a kook who didnt have the respect to tell not just his friend but his boss what was really going on. That's poor ethics in my book. MJ is still one of the best skaters alive, him going to Adidas is all good as well, cash them checks while you still can, but he is kinda a coward and brought this on himself. If he would have sorted out his lakai contact or even got the people at Adidas to contact Mike then none of this would have happened...the lack of respecting commitments to business brought this on.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
Huge cringe at the beyond shameless plug in the closing statement.
"Before passing judgment on anyone's decisions, maybe you should try walking a mile in their shoes. (adidas hyperlink)"
For those that don't get why Marc is getting more heat over Daewon, it's not that difficult to understand. Daewon put a lot of time and effort into DVS. Probably more than the owners. Does anyone know who runs shit over there anymore? I don't think anyone cares about the owners of DVS. No offense to their riders.
Lakai definitely isn't the same as when they started either, but Rick and Mike have obviously done a lot to back their guys as long as possible. Marc definitely gave a lot of himself to both Chocolate and Lakai. Rick and Mike gave him a home at Chocolate when he was stressing over board companies. They supported him in getting sober. They both supported each other for a long ass time. To depart from that relationship should be done gracefully and with respect to each party, if it meant anything to either of them. Sounds like it meant something to Mike. Sounds like MJ cared more about himself.
Sad to see it end that way. Puts a bit of a tarnish on MJ's reputation. And Crailtap takes another hit.
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realest interview in recent memory.
Jenkem CLEARLY leaning against predetorial practices by big shoes being savage, but has their entire site wrapped in adidas ads/branding and their post on 5/3 was an MJ mix.
conflict of interest, conflict of taste.
no, just different shit-different day
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busenitz, SBN, and Suciu were my favourite parts.
also, my sig.
This one got leaked a while back. Remember there was that clip of some news report and Silas was in the background filming this line...
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
this does hint at the same issues that brink has been hinting at but the issue is that its just hinting at it. don't tell me to do any digging because MC didn't. he came out and said his side outright and gave supporting examples. its just like with 'ether' or 'hit em up.' don't hint, don't beat around the bush, don't leave it to conjecture- if you have something to say, say it. I understand brink not wanting to come out and say anything because its not really his place to say it (although i would love to see him just go all out). MJ has never been afraid to go all out so why stop now.
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What mj did is awful. Girl and chocolate may have been loyal to a fault, but I'll take loyalty over self centered greed any day!
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Away Days was kind of a snoozer. I don't know, maybe it was the saturation of the rip, but it was just... boring. Sucks too, because I haven't been this pumped for a video for ages.
Also, Marc Johnson seems like an awful person to work with.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
this does hint at the same issues that brink has been hinting at but the issue is that its just hinting at it. don't tell me to do any digging because MC didn't. he came out and said his side outright and gave supporting examples. its just like with 'ether' or 'hit em up.' don't hint, don't beat around the bush, don't leave it to conjecture- if you have something to say, say it. I understand brink not wanting to come out and say anything because its not really his place to say it (although i would love to see him just go all out). MJ has never been afraid to go all out so why stop now.
Everyone is going to pick sides on this debacle, but when it comes to "winning" the fight, Carroll is in the lead. Quick to react, AND providing examples.
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I can see Carroll's Interview as an Intervention.
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What I think the big shoe companies are missing is that all of these dudes who are pushing or over 40 sell shoes based on their reputation and legacy to guys who are over 30.
Once you lose that respect, the guys over 30 stop supporting you and nobody in their teens and early twenties give a fuck what MJ did when they were in elementary school.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
this does hint at the same issues that brink has been hinting at but the issue is that its just hinting at it. �don't tell me to do any digging because MC didn't. he came out and said his side outright and gave supporting examples. its just like with 'ether' or 'hit em up.' don't hint, don't beat around the bush, don't leave it to conjecture- if you have something to say, say it. I understand brink not wanting to come out and say anything because its not really his place to say it (although i would love to see him just go all out). �MJ has never been afraid to go all out so why stop now. �
Everyone is going to pick sides on this debacle, but when it comes to "winning" the fight, Carroll is in the lead. Quick to react, AND providing examples.
Hope MC waits 4 days and if he doesn't hear anything drops another.
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What I think the big shoe companies are missing is that all of these dudes who are pushing or over 40 sell shoes based on their reputation and legacy to guys who are over 30.
Once you lose that respect, the guys over 30 stop supporting you and nobody in their teens and early twenties give a fuck what MJ did when they were in elementary school.
This is a great point. I wonder what the average age of the posters in this thread is.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin.
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. the skating deserved better.
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Two things:
(1) Is Brink really backing MJ on this? It's fine to support him skating for Big Company Footwear (MJs words). I dont think many people are complaining about that. In fact, Mike Carroll himself supported him moving on. The real problem is that he fucked over Mike Carroll and Lakai, who supported him through his problems and basically gave him his cool card in skating. I dont think people realize how important getting on Chocolate (and Lakai) was to legitimating Marc. If he had say ridden for a dwindle company and Etnies, he would have not gotten the same acclaim. Carroll's story seems pretty clear, and the fact that he has never once aired out a team rider who quit (pops, olson, puig, koston, prod, jereme, guy, mikemo, biebel, cairo etc.) tells you that this was some backstabbing. Carroll's credibility in skateboarding is more than just his talent, MJs aint.
(2) My god. The reading comprehension here. People keep saying 'man, I get MJs side, I mean he needs the extra cash.' Did you read the interview? Carroll supported the decision. He asked that, after they just gave him a shoe and supported his insanity for 15 years, that he hold off four a few months so they could move his shoe and help keep Lakai in a good spot. If Marc wanted to quit, he shouldnt have supported rolling out a new shoe. And Carroll was open to less than that; all he wanted was for MJ to be straight up - tell the fucking truth. Dude lied to him and had his departure announced at a video premier. If people cant understand the business side of losing your number 1 pro who has a bunch of product in waiting maybe some business skills are needed. But if you cant understand the lies, well, thats on you.
Finally, and this is pure speculation. But Marc Johnson is a delusional, egotistical, narcissist. The kind that rants and raves about Big Shoe Company only to ride from them. The type that misquotes a lot of literature and science and spouts inane theories to sound bright. When Carroll called him a pathological liar and said (via insta) they wouldnt have to deal with his disappearing anymore; it's my guess that theyve been putting up with his shady shit for years. Good on Carroll for saying fuck you. If you're gonna burn a bridge dont expect people to be quiet. Skateboarding needs more open talk
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Can't wait to see all the forward thinking initiatives that MJ will be implementing as a rookie employee of a $20 billion dollar corporation that he couldn't get done at his friends' company!!!
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I thought it was pretty well established that MJ is a piece of shit off the board, Especially with relationships. Blowing off his kids birthday so he can be on a bender. Absentee father, constant complainer, difficult. None of this is surprising.
He's one of my all time favorites on the board though. Carroll is an all time GOAT on and off the stuntwood.
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Anyone hating on Daewon for making this move is a complete fucking pleb. Daewon has paid his dues 2 lifetimes over with his less than stellar sponsorship history, and has a squeaky clean history with the words that come out his mouth.
I could think of a more descriptive word but pleb will do just fine. If you are hating on Daewon for this move you're an idiot, that also hates skateboarding. This guy has given everything for multiple decades, and stayed in a relationship (DVS) through the good times and the really bad times. Going even FURTHER back than that, he could've bounced from World when everyone else is did but stayed loyal to Rodney through thick and thin. Go back and read Daewon's Chromeball. http://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/2013/07/chrome-ball-interview-59-daewon-song.html (http://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/2013/07/chrome-ball-interview-59-daewon-song.html)
The point is this guy deserves EVERYTHING that skateboarding can give him. You're an absolute clueless asshole if you are hating on him for the move to Adidas, and enjoying the fruits of multiple decades worth of relevant work. And whoever the dope was that said he's "washed up", well something so stupid doesn't even deserved to be acknowledged but I'm sure you'll be as big of a success in whatever your chosen field is for multiple decades as Dae has been in skateboarding.
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Finally, and this is pure speculationfact. But Marc Johnson is a delusional, egotistical, narcissist. The kind that rants and raves about Big Shoe Company only to ride from them. The type that misquotes a lot of literature and science and spouts inane theories to sound bright. When Carroll called him a pathological liar and said (via insta) they wouldnt have to deal with his disappearing anymore; it's my guess that theyve been putting up with his shady shit for years. Good on Carroll for saying fuck you. If you're gonna burn a bridge dont expect people to be quiet. Skateboarding needs more open talk
fixed that for you.
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Is there a possibility that Marc's new contract stated that his move to Adidas would be announced in Away Days and that he wasn't allowed to tell anyone about it under any circumstances? Maybe if it'd got out via a pre-emptive Crailtap post (or even in an interview with Carroll after the premiere), he might've really pissed off his new sponsor and faced some heavy repercussions?
I don't wanna make excuses for the dude because, regardless, there has to have been a better way to handle the situation than this. He seems like hard fucking work sometimes.
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Is there a possibility that Marc's new contract stated that his move to Adidas would be announced in Away Days and that he wasn't allowed to tell anyone about it under any circumstances? Maybe if it'd got out via a pre-emptive Crailtap post (or even in an interview with Carroll after the premiere), he might've really pissed off his new sponsor and faced some heavy repercussions?
I don't wanna make excuses for the dude because, regardless, there has to have been a better way to handle the situation than this. He seems like hard fucking work sometimes.
Nah... pretty sure he's just a dickhead.
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Away Days was kind of a snoozer. I don't know, maybe it was the saturation of the rip, but it was just... boring. Sucks too, because I haven't been this pumped for a video for ages.
MJ problems aside, the video was amazing, idk what you're talking about. Puig, Suciu, Nak/Jake, Tyshawn, Palace section... there's very few skippable moments in there. Maybe just some of the euros and ams but even those are still heavy.
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How wouldn't Marc know they were gonna introduce him in the video? If a company is filming a video and you go out and film tricks with them what do you think is gonna happen?
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I understand both sides here. Honestly Carroll has every right to feel betrayed and upset, however was Marc not also betrayed or put in a bad position? I think we can all agree that Marc would've liked to stay with Lakai but you can only take so many pay cuts without feeling taken advantage of or resentment. Marc has not slowed down not in the least, he had a 3 song part for fully flared at age 35 and the guy is almost 40 now and skating everyday, does he not deserve better? Sure he shouldn't have lied but of course this was out of his hands. Adidas obviously made a big invenstment in Marc and Daewon along with Away Days, not announcing them in this video would've been downright stupid and Adidas isn't stupid. I bet Marc was just too ashamed and embarrassed to let Mike down because they are/were friends and he just couldn't bring himself to do it. We've all had weak points if we are being honest with ourselves. Carroll for sure is upset and I get it but Crailtap has been bleeding riders for the last year BIG riders too and ones that have been around forever. Something is going on over there and it's easy to just feel sorry for Mike and Rick but this is the real world, adults have commitments and as I pointed out before for guys like Marc and Guy who haven't slowed down in the least bit why should their pay be decreased? Why should deals be made behind their backs? They've been loyal and have given these brands their all, do they not deserve more than that? Was Mike and Rick completely honest and open with Eric and Guy? I doubt it or things wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
I'm giving Marc a pass on this. Is it s shitty situation? Absolutely and I'm just Marc would agree. Is it harder to run a company with all these other brands moving in? Sure, but so is going out and skating every day at 30 let alone 40.
Reading comprehension is indeed through the floor today, let's clarify the collective opinion as it stands:
1. MJ moving to adidas is fine by most, even if he did talk shit in a Jenkem interview a few years ago. Carroll even supported that decision.
2. MJ failing to communicate with Mike Carroll and then outright lying to him the night before the announcement is a total dick move.
Point 2 is what everyone is throwing shade at MJ for, not the fact that he went to adidas...
half of part one and all of part two are my reasons for having a sour opinion on the mj move.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. � sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. �
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. � the skating deserved better. �
Bowie and Nany Sinatra are both pretty expensive. I'd imagine Pet Shop Boys are too, which is why you haven't heard them in as many things as you'd expect. I don't remember much of the rest of the soundtrack but I know for sure Sinatra and Bowie aren't cheap.
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Bill really fucked those 2 bump to bar tricks Tyshawn did with the super close filming.
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Is there a possibility that Marc's new contract stated that his move to Adidas would be announced in Away Days and that he wasn't allowed to tell anyone about it under any circumstances? Maybe if it'd got out via a pre-emptive Crailtap post (or even in an interview with Carroll after the premiere), he might've really pissed off his new sponsor and faced some heavy repercussions?
I don't wanna make excuses for the dude because, regardless, there has to have been a better way to handle the situation than this. He seems like hard fucking work sometimes.
Maybe? But I would really doubt that's the case seeing as how it wouldn't behoove Adidas to do that if Marc is still under contract with a different company and has a termination contract pending. I could see them having the stipulation of not doing a general/public release but it wouldn't make sense to put themselves in that situation regarding possible breach of contract with Lakai. Unless their legal team just doesn't care.
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what i think is weird is why lakai would still be producing MJ pro shoes when they knew that he would be leaving in the very near future? it makes no sense to give a guy another pro shoe and have it drop in the spring if they planned on him leaving in the summer.
overall, im bummed on MJ's lying and lack of communication. hes been my favorite skater basically forever.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. � sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. �
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. � the skating deserved better. �
Bowie and Nany Sinatra are both pretty expensive. I'd imagine Pet Shop Boys are too, which is why you haven't heard them in as many things as you'd expect. I don't remember much of the rest of the soundtrack but I know for sure Sinatra and Bowie aren't cheap.
if that's the case. pet shop boys and Sinatra were worth the $$$.
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I'm late to the party, but you sir, are a literal artist.
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what i think is weird is why lakai would still be producing MJ pro shoes when they knew that he would be leaving in the very near future? it makes no sense to give a guy another pro shoe and have it drop in the spring if they planned on him leaving in the summer.
overall, im bummed on MJ's lying and lack of communication. hes been my favorite skater basically forever.
Hail Mary Mallon - Whales (Official Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQrdKtPJxI0#)
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what i think is weird is why lakai would still be producing MJ pro shoes when they knew that he would be leaving in the very near future? it makes no sense to give a guy another pro shoe and have it drop in the spring if they planned on him leaving in the summer.
the impression i get is that mc & lakai didn't have any idea until very recently (days, weeks), whereas the mj shoe planning would have happened earlier this year or even late last year.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. �� sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. ��
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. �� the skating deserved better. ��
Bowie and Nany Sinatra are both pretty expensive. I'd imagine Pet Shop Boys are too, which is why you haven't heard them in as many things as you'd expect. I don't remember much of the rest of the soundtrack but I know for sure Sinatra and Bowie aren't cheap.
if that's the case. pet shop boys and Sinatra were worth the $$$.
Lucas' part was worth every penny.
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Reiterating some points here but holy shit that TSM article was just awful. No byline? No shit, it was probably written by some computer program at adidas that just spits pr things like that out. Or Steve Berra.
Also, this
What I think the big shoe companies are missing is that all of these dudes who are pushing or over 40 sell shoes based on their reputation and legacy to guys who are over 30.�
Once you lose that respect, the guys over 30 stop supporting you and nobody in their teens and early twenties give a fuck what MJ did when they were in elementary school.
Not sure how much weight we can actually carry but it's an interesting thought. I haven't bought lakais in awhile but I see some Staples in my near future.
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what i think is weird is why lakai would still be producing MJ pro shoes when they knew that he would be leaving in the very near future? it makes no sense to give a guy another pro shoe and have it drop in the spring if they planned on him leaving in the summer.
overall, im bummed on MJ's lying and lack of communication. hes been my favorite skater basically forever.
Brands put together line sheets 2 seasons ahead to pre shop what retailers want to buy, booking just ended for holiday 16 last week actually.
MJ does have one of Lakai's best selling models as well, so I don't blame them for trying to stretch that out as well.
In reality they could prob switch the branding and box details and change the name of the shoe to something witty.
Sellout low and high?
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The way people reacts to the MC interview reminds me of the whole Tas Pappas movie debacle. People started swinging wildy then and it turned out there wasn't much substance to what Tas were claiming. I'm not saying that MC is an delusional aussie but there might be more to this than we know.
Anyway. MC should be happy. Haven't heard anyone talking about buying Lakai's since Fully Flared. The free marketing they get out of this is huge. It also seems to strengthen their image as a core brand. Almost as if it was planned.
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Finally, and this is pure speculation. But Marc Johnson is a delusional, egotistical, narcissist. The kind that rants and raves about Big Shoe Company only to ride from them. The type that misquotes a lot of literature and science and spouts inane theories to sound bright. When Carroll called him a pathological liar and said (via insta) they wouldnt have to deal with his disappearing anymore; it's my guess that theyve been putting up with his shady shit for years. Good on Carroll for saying fuck you. If you're gonna burn a bridge dont expect people to be quiet. Skateboarding needs more open talk
I thought it was pretty well established that MJ is a piece of shit off the board, Especially with relationships. Blowing off his kids birthday so he can be on a bender. Absentee father, constant complainer, difficult. None of this is surprising.
He's one of my all time favorites on the board though. Carroll is an all time GOAT on and off the stuntwood.
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In reality they could prob switch the branding and box details and change the name of the shoe to something witty.
Sellout low and high?
The Pathological?
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
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Can't wait to see all the forward thinking initiatives that MJ will be implementing as a rookie employee of a $20 billion dollar corporation that he couldn't get done at his friends' company!!!
Exactly. MJ has always been a favorite of mine since Maple but he hasn't had a good idea in his head since he left Enjoi. Him acting like this was some kind of creative difference only validates MC's position that he's a liar.
Of course it was about the money, any adult would understand that and there's nothing wrong with it. All these older legends deserve to have a piece before they're done. Just don't be a fucking kook about it Marc!
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I love skateboard drama
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Skateboarders are idiots.
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
..probably not gonna happen like that. If anything the big corpos will fund enterprising pro's board companies. Just like in the early 90s..
people forget that's how companies like Toy Machine got their start. Brad Dorfman.
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Call me next time your employer reduces your pay twice, you put in 2 weeks, then get asked to stick around for a bit longer to train your replacement.
Sticking around through the lean times is one thing if you are an owner, quite another as an employee.
MJ was paid reasonably well I'm sure, but when you have to slash people's pay, don't be surprised if they lose loyalty.
Asking him to stick around a bit longer and a bit longer and a bit longer. When does it end? Oh, just after Away Days... Just after Summer... Just until we can clear enough shoes out...
And we all know Lakai has been PUMPING those MJ's for a few months marketing-wise, and it felt like they were trying to clear them out to anyone who was paying attention.
If MJ is leaving (and according to Mike, they knew) then you can't expect to orchestrate his exit to your whims, and use your supposed friendship to lord over him and prevent him from being announced when Adidas just spent a ton of money producing this video and bringing these guys onto the team.
Marc was probably sick of jumping through the hoops, dealing with lawyers and agreements in the first place, and basically showed them right where to stick it in the most Marc Johnson way possible.
People are quick to hop on Carroll's nuts, but isn't sticking skate shops with a bunch of outdated MJ shoes nobody will want just as bad?
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Skateboarders are idiots.
Yeah but they're our idiots <3
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MJ be like
(http://s32.postimg.org/y3a4v83yd/MJ_LAKAI_EXIT.gif) (http://postimage.org/)
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This is fizzling out waay too quick. I was counting on MJ logging in and slinging some mud then MC coming back at him. Full on catfight. But no, 16 pages of the same crap. I can't get jiggy w/this shit!
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threads weird to me
so no one else reading this can relate to having your pay cut several times while having much larger offers at the tail end of your career and leaving for the bigger offer? clearly mj's offer was contingent on timing with the away days video and either way carrol was going to be pissed so not much to gain on that front. i've never in my life not lied to my current employer\client when getting ready to jump to a new employer\client. that's just not how it works, lying is part of career\negotiating. you find your next gig, hand in your two weeks and bounce. carrol also said that mj held out for ages, turning down larger offers. it feels to me like like mj kept it business but carrol is making it personal. not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
I said this earlier. They're just gonna tell you that your reading comprehension sucks, that MJ's an alcoholic, and that Carroll is a really nice guy.
"Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some peoples pay, him being included"
"Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again."
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
lmao you guys are too much
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Call me next time your employer reduces your pay twice, you put in 2 weeks, then get asked to stick around for a bit longer to train your replacement.
Sticking around through the lean times is one thing if you are an owner, quite another as an employee.
MJ was paid reasonably well I'm sure, but when you have to slash people's pay, don't be surprised if they lose loyalty.
Asking him to stick around a bit longer and a bit longer and a bit longer. When does it end? Oh, just after Away Days... Just after Summer... Just until we can clear enough shoes out...
And we all know Lakai has been PUMPING those MJ's for a few months marketing-wise, and it felt like they were trying to clear them out to anyone who was paying attention.
If MJ is leaving (and according to Mike, they knew) then you can't expect to orchestrate his exit to your whims, and use your supposed friendship to lord over him and prevent him from being announced when Adidas just spent a ton of money producing this video and bringing these guys onto the team.
Marc was probably sick of jumping through the hoops, dealing with lawyers and agreements in the first place, and basically showed them right where to stick it in the most Marc Johnson way possible.
People are quick to hop on Carroll's nuts, but isn't sticking skate shops with a bunch of outdated MJ shoes nobody will want just as bad?
Call me the next time you plan to quit from an employer that is your friend but still plan on being employed by another entity under your friend's business. Or don't, I don't really care.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. � sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. �
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. � the skating deserved better. �
Bowie and Nany Sinatra are both pretty expensive. I'd imagine Pet Shop Boys are too, which is why you haven't heard them in as many things as you'd expect. I don't remember much of the rest of the soundtrack but I know for sure Sinatra and Bowie aren't cheap.
Is that pronounced "nay-nay"?
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Do you think he has to be careful in his response now that he's under Adidas? God damnit Marc, fucking reply already. .
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wow, he called him a pathological liar. still cant tell if this is some kind of elaborate joke or not, never heard or seen mike carroll go off on someone like this ever.
marc johnson back to enjoi? does hsu stay or go?
its definitely a little different if half your shoe line is based on one dudes name, cant not side with carroll on this. total bitch move on mj when he knows what its gonna do to everyone at lakai.
daewon definitely deserves a pass because he stuck with DVS even when it was a huge detriment to his career. DVS sucks and its getting suckier, let the man live.
personally, i think its a good thing that crailtap doesnt have as much power as it used to because it lets everyone else have a chance to be "skate cool". i think it shows a deficiency in thinking if being on a certain company is what makes someone tolerable or not and not their body of work.
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. � sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. �
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. � the skating deserved better. �
Bowie and Nany Sinatra are both pretty expensive. I'd imagine Pet Shop Boys are too, which is why you haven't heard them in as many things as you'd expect. I don't remember much of the rest of the soundtrack but I know for sure Sinatra and Bowie aren't cheap.
Is that pronounced "nay-nay"?
It's actually pronounced "Nay-Nee" which is stupid but it's not my name so what do I know
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Skateboarders are idiots.
You don't have to be an idiot to skateboard, but it sure helps
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. � sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. �
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. � the skating deserved better. �
Bowie and Nany Sinatra are both pretty expensive. I'd imagine Pet Shop Boys are too, which is why you haven't heard them in as many things as you'd expect. I don't remember much of the rest of the soundtrack but I know for sure Sinatra and Bowie aren't cheap.
Is that pronounced "nay-nay"?
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Also, I'm interested to see where he ends up board sponsorwis. Kookston and Guy's new project (if it ever happens)?
this has to be on every page, at least once
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Two things:
(1) Is Brink really backing MJ on this? It's fine to support him skating for Big Company Footwear (MJs words). I dont think many people are complaining about that. In fact, Mike Carroll himself supported him moving on. The real problem is that he fucked over Mike Carroll and Lakai, who supported him through his problems and basically gave him his cool card in skating. I dont think people realize how important getting on Chocolate (and Lakai) was to legitimating Marc. If he had say ridden for a dwindle company and Etnies, he would have not gotten the same acclaim. Carroll's story seems pretty clear, and the fact that he has never once aired out a team rider who quit (pops, olson, puig, koston, prod, jereme, guy, mikemo, biebel, cairo etc.) tells you that this was some backstabbing. Carroll's credibility in skateboarding is more than just his talent, MJs aint.
(2) My god. The reading comprehension here. People keep saying 'man, I get MJs side, I mean he needs the extra cash.' Did you read the interview? Carroll supported the decision. He asked that, after they just gave him a shoe and supported his insanity for 15 years, that he hold off four a few months so they could move his shoe and help keep Lakai in a good spot. If Marc wanted to quit, he shouldnt have supported rolling out a new shoe. And Carroll was open to less than that; all he wanted was for MJ to be straight up - tell the fucking truth. Dude lied to him and had his departure announced at a video premier. If people cant understand the business side of losing your number 1 pro who has a bunch of product in waiting maybe some business skills are needed. But if you cant understand the lies, well, thats on you.
Finally, and this is pure speculation. But Marc Johnson is a delusional, egotistical, narcissist. The kind that rants and raves about Big Shoe Company only to ride from them. The type that misquotes a lot of literature and science and spouts inane theories to sound bright. When Carroll called him a pathological liar and said (via insta) they wouldnt have to deal with his disappearing anymore; it's my guess that theyve been putting up with his shady shit for years. Good on Carroll for saying fuck you. If you're gonna burn a bridge dont expect people to be quiet. Skateboarding needs more open talk
This was perfect. ^^^
Stuart Gomez should be ashamed of himself. What an awful fucking article. I'm not trying to confuse written skateboard media as anything but shameless PR for it's articles subjects/advertisers but this embarrassing.
The understanding is that people will come to their own conclusions, with the simplest explanation being overwhelmingly popular (the ubiquitous "money talks" popping up on the message boards) and so rudimentary that it highlights how truly ignorant the commentators are.
Don't pick and choose what people are pissed about and report that as the overall consensus. Fuck off.
Marc Johnson hit home for a lot of people with his comments in the 2013 Jenkem article. Personally I don't hate Nike, I hate how they have fucked some skateshops. Skateshops are the heartbeat of a legit scene. If shops do it right, they can grow and foster skateboarding better than any stupid pro or skate brand. Pros are the rock band, the Brand is the tour shirt company. They inspire us to take up skating and they show what is possible. That's it. The shops hook the good kids up. They local good kids inspire the new comers in person. Shops run the local contests and events. They give discounts on gear to needy kids. They allow kids to meet and hang and share skateboarding in their business. When Nike, Adidas, and whoever else starts to fuck with these institutions, I take exception on Skateboarding's behalf.
Marc also took this exception and he definitely got points from me. But big whoop right? Doesn't change my life. It's nice to have a touch of validation from someone that can make a difference. His statement of 'I would not skate for big company footwear' was cute but had an almost ominous, prophetic feel to it. He wants to change his mind, cool. NOT EVERY IS MAD THAT HE CHANGED HIS MIND. I don't care about the shoes one wears so much as the companies treatment of skateshops.
Do any of us know what really goes on between Crail and it's riders? Certainly not. Did Marc take paycuts then watch as the ownership sold the company off? Yes. Did he get bitter as they protected some of their earned equity? Maybe. Maybe, the Crail owners sold out to save a sinking ship. They took the risk by starting their own deal. They should reap the rewards of that.
It's really hard to get on to Girl/Chocolate. For starters, most up and comers would beg to get on. They have the pick of the litter. Secondly, once you are on Girl/Chocolate you are on for at least a decade or longer. Maybe that's why so many kids are get tangled into their 'flow limbo'. From the outside looking in, it seems as though once Rick and Mike think it's a go, they are down for the serious long haul. What other company would put up with Daniel Castillo's output? Gino and Guy are legends but they went years and years and years without doing shit. They move wood but they would move a whole lot more if they actually worked. I'd love to get Rick Howard drunk and listen to him talk about the irresponsible bullshit that he had to deal with. And it seems as though they dealt with a ton of Marc's as well.
Gino was going to bolt before the Chocolate 20th anniversary marketing campaign. They asked him to wait for that to be over and he did. I'm sure they wanted him to stay but when he did leave, no one MFed him out the door because they came to an agreement. Carroll wanted the same for Marc's departure and Marc blew it. Now MJ and Big Company Footwear shills like Stuart Gomez are trying to spin into a narrative where Marc is an under-utilized visionary and is a victim of unfair industry practices.
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor cuz he's hungryyy. and the only way to feed him is to skate for a corporation for a little bit of money
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Nike and Adidas had skate shoes in the 90's
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so no one else reading this can relate to having your pay cut several times while having much larger offers at the tail end of your career and leaving for the bigger offer? clearly mj's offer was contingent on timing with the away days video and either way carrol was going to be pissed so not much to gain on that front. i've never in my life not lied to my current employer\client when getting ready to jump to a new employer\client. that's just not how it works, lying is part of career\negotiating. you find your next gig, hand in your two weeks and bounce. carrol also said that mj held out for ages, turning down larger offers. it feels to me like like mj kept it business but carrol is making it personal. not giving riders contracts is something crail does for their self interest, not the riders.
I said this earlier. They're just gonna tell you that your reading comprehension sucks, that MJ's an alcoholic, and that Carroll is a really nice guy.
"Financially, as everyone knows, in recent years, it has been rough. We had to do some things financially and rearrange and lower some people�s pay, him being included"�
"Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again."
So we are going to go back to reading comprehension 101. First, Carroll did say they have contracts for Lakai, not for boards. So that is a misreading. And Second, Carroll encouraged him to leave because he recognized that they could not pay a skater of Marc's caliber as much as they used to. Carroll acknowledges the pay cuts, thats why he was cool with him leaving. �Carroll's problem was not that MJ left (he encouraged him to look at other offers because of the pay cuts!), its that MJ went ghost when they were trying to terminate the deal while ensuring that crail could unload goods appropriately, Marc did was no respond and when he did respond, he lied. Straight to his face.
The reason this matter is that they released his shoe and have a lot of his product being built on orders that cannot be undone just because Skater Dude A does not want to ride for the brand anymore, or because he wants to be in Away Days. When someone has helped you for 15 years, you dont just fuck them on a big order when you are the top pro. By way of example, when Gino left (as he mentions in his interview), Rickk asked him to hold off on announcing because the 20 year thing was going on and probably because of some boards. And you know what Gino did, he held off. Because he probably respect Mike and Rickk and knows that no other company would have baby sat his mood swings, substance issues and other shit. He did not fuck them and did not lie. �The same cannot be said for MJ.
MJ is gonna regret how he fucked over Lakai and Mike Carroll at the end of the day. No one blames (or at least I dont) for going to Adidas. But this is a bad look. We've never seen Carroll tell someone publicly to fuck off and get off the company. The interview was probably a little whimsical, but Megan Bmore commented on his insta backing it. You can be sure Rickk is cool with it too. Those people have a lot or respect in skateboarding and have given careers and livelihoods to a lot of people, MJ included. Notice that Guy, Koston, BA, Olson etc didnt get this treatment? MJ did something extra special.
He's gonna regret fucking over probably the most respected skateboarder/business person in the game. I would.
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
Nah dude this is always a fun way to go out
Half Baked: Scarface quits his job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIqeXSYc8nE#)
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Nike and Adidas had skate shoes in the 90's
fuck you, you clearly weren't there. Nike made skate shoes for about 3 minutes in the late 90's after THPS and the x-games. They didn't put much effort in and didn't last. Their original foray into skate shoes was after the late 90's boom started. Sit down, shut up, stop acting like you know about shit you didn't experience when people who actually were around are present.
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Unless he was talking about Exp/Joey Pepper.
Man, righteous indignation really gets your little gipper hard
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Nike and Adidas had skate shoes in the 90's
I hate to get into name calling or establishing street cred but I've been skating since 87 so don't make assumptions based on a scant amount of information. I didn't say Nike's foray into skate shoes was a successful venture. I was addressing your previous statement about Nike not wanting to invest in skate shoes during your precious "90's." They clearly invested and it didn't work. Tried again with Savier and that didn't work and then Dunks. The rest is history.
So are you just going to just move the goal post with your argument. You talked about the 90's and I gave you a 90's example. But now you mean the early 90's not the late 90's. Make a clearer point and there won't be any needs for "fuck you's" and "I lived it" bragging
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. � sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. �
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. � the skating deserved better. �
Besides Busenitz's second song, Bowie, and Nestor ripping to "Your Silent Face", by New Order, the soundtrack to the video was rather terrible.
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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash
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I never had any qualms with adidas until now...
And really, it's more of me being skeptical, as I really never found them to be as ruthless as Nike. I'm starting to wonder though, especially with all this talk of a $10,000 minimum, and Johnson making the move in eratic fashion, one that may really be detrimental to him.
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Remember Marc's time on Emerica...getting paid to travel the world and film and skate demos in Nikes. Let that SINK in... dude definitely has a knack for burning bridges.
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Nike and Adidas had skate shoes in the 90's
*sigh* Relax, tough guy.
Nike wasn't there? OK.... Converse, Simple, Puma, and Pomy were though.
The dude made a validate point. Mainstream brands have made skate shoes before. The only difference this time around was that the majority of core brands were all too busy making shoes for BMX dudes, bros, and mall kids to notice their own market being taken over....Meanwhile the other brands that never left skateboarding were too comfortable getting rich off generic vulc shoes to bother taking Nike and Adidas seriously.
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Remember Marc's time on Emerica...getting paid to travel the world and film and skate demos in Nikes. Let that SINK in... dude definitely has a knack for burning bridges.
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and filmed in adidas before his second emerica shoe came out
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Nike and Adidas had skate shoes in the 90's
*sigh* Relax, tough guy.
Nike wasn't there? OK.... Converse, Simple, Puma, and Pomy were though.
The dude made a validate point. Mainstream brands have made skate shoes before. The only difference this time around was that the majority of core brands were all too busy making shoes for BMX dudes, bros, and mall kids to notice their own market being taken over....Meanwhile the other brands that never left skateboarding were too comfortable getting rich off generic vulc shoes to bother taking Nike and Adidas seriously.
to be fair adidas always took care of mark Gonzales...
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Remember Marc's time on Emerica...getting paid to travel the world and film and skate demos in Nikes. Let that SINK in... dude definitely has a knack for burning bridges.
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and filmed in adidas before his second emerica shoe came out
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor cuz he's hungryyy. and the only way to feed him is to skate for a corporation for a little bit of money
mawfugga quoting City High!!!
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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash
I think his opinion would be that his post was from two days ago and is most likely about Kayo's implosion
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Goddamn this thread is fucking LIT. I definitely like Mike a more now just for doing this. The only way I could see this going well for MJ is if Adidas totally surprised him and he had no idea, but even then you'd think he'd have called Mike or something so fuck Marc. The crail ship has slowly been sinking pretty much since Koston flipped to Nike and this isn't helping shit at all. Also, fuck all those big ass corporations in skateboarding.
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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash
I think his opinion would be that his post was from two days ago and is most likely about Kayo's implosion
He's talking about his post after that one, which specifically talks about marc and daewon.
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash
REKT, YOU HEAR THAT BRINK!?!?
(http://www.professionalacademy.com/media/images-news/the-end-of-the-old-syllabus-is-near.jpg)
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Carroll > the guy who reads teenagers facebook questions on the "buzz"
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being passive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
I'm an OC lib thank you very much and chill ad hominem argument by the way
The speculation went that Exp weren't paying their riders for something like 6 months. Assuming he's under contract, this doesn't count as wrong?
And I think that guy is the Nike designer
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Fuck Jerry is 150% gonna be off too. This leaves Koston, Guy, Marc, Jerry? Could this have been a plan?
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
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Jerry isn't going anywhere because he's not a backstabbing asshole and Crail certainly isn't going to fuck him over just because his friend is a pompous dillweed.
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
Thank you for clarifying. I hate it when morons use the phrase "passive aggressive" incorrectly.
And I didn't call you the OC right winger, I called Brink that. However, if you are all about that "hooray big business taking out small business" mindset, then don't call yourself liberal.
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Goddamn this thread is fucking LIT. I definitely like Mike a more now just for doing this. The only way I could see this going well for MJ is if Adidas totally surprised him and he had no idea, but even then you'd think he'd have called Mike or something so fuck Marc. The crail ship has slowly been sinking pretty much since Koston flipped to Nike and this isn't helping shit at all. Also, fuck all those big ass corporations in skateboarding.
I would say that the 08-09 consumer mindset to buy quality american made products hurt crailtap more than anything.
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100% proof that the earth is flat like a disk realife grand theft auto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rK6GTzx7HY&feature=youtu.be#)
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
And I didn't call you the OC right winger, I called Brink that. However, if you are all about that "hooray big business taking out small business"� mindset, then don't call yourself liberal.
Nice try, dude. It said "passive aggressive' the whole time. Hence why it isn't edited.
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he's off the team page:
http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/ (http://chocolateskateboards.com/team/)
That's odd, wonder if anything happened?
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor cuz he's hungryyy. and the only way to feed him is to skate for a corporation for a little bit of money
MJ of wagon
Nestor Judkins is alternate timeline Clark Hassler where he takes his meds.
Et Tu Brute?
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Worst posts in this this thread:
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?action=profile&u=1613&sa=showPosts (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?action=profile&u=1613&sa=showPosts)
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Adidas probably spent more on music rights for this video than most brands do on their team/staffing.
I think it was the complete opposite. ��sounded like most were taken from the music licensing discount bin. ��
hopefully quartersnacks does another Busenitz re-edit. ��the skating deserved better. ��
Besides Busenitz's second song, Bowie, and Nestor ripping to "Your Silent Face", by New Order, the soundtrack to the video was rather terrible.
The Pixies and James Brown are not terrible.
They could have dug deeper on those two songs but the ones used were far from terrible.
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
And I didn't call you the OC right winger, I called Brink that. However, if you are all about that "hooray big business taking out small business"� mindset, then don't call yourself liberal.
Nice try, dude. It said "passive aggressive' the whole time. Hence why it isn't edited.
Stupid dipshit, no kidding it said passive aggressive. Please explain to me how calling you a "stupid dipshit" and other insults is passive in any way. I'll give you a clue, its not. I'm not being passive aggressive towards your stupidity, I'm being just plain aggressive
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being passive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
i would call that aggressive aggressive or regular aggressive at the very least
edit: oops i see this has been covered ad infinitum
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This is a wonderful video part.
Classics: Marc Johnson "Seven Steps To Heaven" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0UKS8vrDQ#)
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Personally, I blame capitalism. When we, the proletariat, rise as one and seize the means of production, only then can we ensure our favorite skate jesters from our childhood stay friends
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I never had any qualms with adidas until now...
And really, it's more of me being skeptical, as I really never found them to be as ruthless as Nike. I'm starting to wonder though, especially with all this talk of a $10,000 minimum, and Johnson making the move in eratic fashion, one that may really be detrimental to him.
A $10,000 minimum is pretty low though... You can hit that easy by getting a full size run of a couple different models. I think they just want their retailers to carry more than one model. Which is reasonable, they don't want customers coming into adidas dealers and being bummed they only carry the Buzenitz Pro. Pretty much every brand, both hardgoods and softgoods, has minimums.
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brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
The whole I'm talking through you instead of directly to you thing is pretty passive. You're on one hell of a roll right now, partner.
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adidas and Nike don't even need official skate programs. The original All Stars and Dunks were fine to skate in. They dumb dumbs for wasting all that time and money on us when we would buy their stuff regardless of a skate-specific shoe.
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What is this shit about being a dick when you quit a job being normal? No it fucking isn't. I've quit jobs before, and I make sure to do it right. Any ADULT actually respects their employer for employing them, and understands that if you quit wrong, that reputation may follow you. That's why people give two weeks and its rare to hear about people flipping out when they leave a job. No, you don't act like an asshole when you quit, in fact, I'd argue that is the time you are the NICEST to your soon-to-be-former boss. That's what I have always done, and they've always written me recommendations on the way out.
And BRINK- Seriously? Is fucking adidas paying you or something? "Sometimes companies go out of business because they didn't work hard enough." Yeah, and sometimes a ton of businesses go bankrupt at once as a result of a shift in the market. I've read your writing and seen your interviews, so I KNOW you aren't stupid enough to think that suddenly all of these legendary companies gave up, got lazy, or whatever excuse you want to give.
The fact is, huge companies invaded, bought out big riders with their huge capital, used their name recognition to take any new customers, and used economies of scale to their advantage in expanding. The smaller companies, you know, the ones who actually made skate shit back when we skated in the 90's and companies like Nike didn't think we were worth the investment, they have trouble competing with all of those things.
Again, I think you understand that. I think even if the details aren't there, that you know that its not just companies getting lame and that something bigger is happening. I think you get some kickbacks from adidas, because I refuse to believe you are naive enough not to understand market trends vs. a company getting lazy.
MJ can get his money, we don't have to approve.
The whole fucking industry is bought out. Don't trust any paid opinons on NIke/Adidas/Cons
Nike and Adidas had skate shoes in the 90's
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Can we kick all the "guests" off the forum so the site can not be slow af?
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http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/)
Skateboard mag article behind Daewon and Marc's reasoning for joining adidas
That is exactly the kind of article I would expect from a website/magazine that is owned by the owner of the berrics.
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the Slap hive mind has spoken.
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The 150+ "guest viewing this page" are 90% industry people that likely have ever even heard of the Slap Forum...
I miss when skateboarding was like this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpRGY0hVO4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpRGY0hVO4k#)
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Remember Marc's time on Emerica...getting paid to travel the world and film and skate demos in Nikes. Let that SINK in... dude definitely has a knack for burning bridges.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/10BcOvofzlwOY0/giphy.gif)
Whoa, Swanston St looks so different.
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I don't know why everyone thinks Jerry is going to leave so soon. He was on enjoi for a long time after Marc left.
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Marc, I think if you could get Edward Sebastian up and running and bring Tito Larue and the Shampoo Lounge back the locs would forget all about this.
http://www.crailtap.com/c3/shampoolounge140.html (http://www.crailtap.com/c3/shampoolounge140.html)
http://www.crailtap.com/c3/shampoolounge.html (http://www.crailtap.com/c3/shampoolounge.html)
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Nothing against Carroll at all. One of my fav skaters of all time and had a blast with him on Buzz and spoke to him a bunch after I'm not for against adidas, Nike, Lakai, etc. Don't even take a paycheck from a skate brand ... Just a few bucks for Buzz here and there. It's just shocking and sad to me how negative people got after hearing one side of a story. My Daewon/MJ post was just to focus on their skateboarding. My post before that was a general thought to consider about who you support by purchasing their products. It's just sucky seeing so much hate towards amazing skaters from so many people who may not entirely know what they are talking about and anything I put out there is basically referring to that. - Brink
I feel like Carroll probably has a lot of right to be upset. From his telling, it seems pretty shitty. I trust Mike Carroll's history in skateboarding. If we are all missing something, I am happy to here more.
But Carroll's history gives him a lot earned credibility. If comes out swinging maybe he has reason. If you have info as to why hes wrong, feel free to share.
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The 150+ "guest viewing this page" are 90% industry people that likely have ever even heard of the Slap Forum...
I miss when skateboarding was like this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpRGY0hVO4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpRGY0hVO4k#)
Wow... timewarp back to '96. I still think of skateboarding like this... but I know it isn't.
Gotta wonder what prompted Marc to post up in Sunnyvale of all places....
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Nothing against Carroll at all. One of my fav skaters of all time and had a blast with him on Buzz and spoke to him a bunch after I'm not for against adidas, Nike, Lakai, etc. Don't even take a paycheck from a skate brand ... Just a few bucks for Buzz here and there. It's just shocking and sad to me how negative people got after hearing one side of a story. My Daewon/MJ post was just to focus on their skateboarding. My post before that was a general thought to consider about who you support by purchasing their products. It's just sucky seeing so much hate towards amazing skaters from so many people who may not entirely know what they are talking about and anything I put out there is basically referring to that. - Brink
I don't think people need to be reminded to buy what they like. It may be sucky, but it is what it is. Regardless of what really went down, a lot of peoples' opinions of marc have took a turn for the worse. Marc and Adidas have every right to try to change that opinion...or not. whatever.
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My Daewon/MJ post was just to focus on their skateboarding. My post before that was a general thought to consider about who you support by purchasing their products. It's just sucky seeing so much hate towards amazing skaters from so many people who may not entirely know what they are talking about and anything I put out there is basically referring to that. - Brink
It's hard for me to separate the skating from the person or in this case, the 'personality' (since i don't know Marc). They become inextricably linked, especially when we are talking about legend status skateboarders.
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I hope MJ is staying off the internet for a while. All this cyber bullying is really shitty. You don't know if he is suffering from depression or other mental disorders. This is the kind of shit that can cause people to KILL THEMSELVES.
What Carroll did is more scummy.
I understand you can be angry but as an adult, you should have some self control. He is being a pissed off fucking baby. MJ has been a a superb brand ambassador for the crail camp for years. Let the man have some peace.
People get lied to and manipulated every day you can deal with it personally, or you can be a scumbag.
This is 100% the equivalent to extremly shitty dudes who post revenge porn.
I still like Caroll, but he fucked up.
I'm ordering an MJ Choco board right now.
(http://i.imgur.com/s3A3sVQ.png)
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I'm with Carroll on this one! People that duck you and lie are the worst!
Currently having a similar situation with a friend(also an alcoholic)that owes me a fair bit of cash. Been avoiding my calls and not answering my texts when all he had to do was phone me or meet me and say "I'm sorry man but I don't have the cash but I'll do my best to have it by X date".
Just be a man
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Call me next time your employer reduces your pay twice, you put in 2 weeks, then get asked to stick around for a bit longer to train your replacement.
Sticking around through the lean times is one thing if you are an owner, quite another as an employee.
MJ was paid reasonably well I'm sure, but when you have to slash people's pay, don't be surprised if they lose loyalty.
Asking him to stick around a bit longer and a bit longer and a bit longer. When does it end? Oh, just after Away Days... Just after Summer... Just until we can clear enough shoes out...
ive been hearing things along these lines so many times in this thread...
1. mike clearly said that mj was immune from paycuts until one at the very end
2. When does it end? It ends at the precise moment stated on the termination agreement that mj agreed to.
3. how do you not understand that putting in your two weeks at a restaurant and having hundreds of thousands of dollars of product made with your name on it(and subsequent marketing campaign) and then dipping before they can sell the product ARE IN NO WAY THE SAME FUCKING THING
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A little off topic, but glad it was Jenkem of all sites to come out with this. Hope all that visitor traffic (as well as the traffic Slap has encountered) increases their ad revenue in some way.
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Carroll has a ton of cred. But don't Daewon and MJ too? I dunno, just being hypothetical
mj's skating yes. mj as a person, no. mj has left his friends hanging many times. this is what, the third time he's got jerry on and then bailed immediately?
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To give Carroll credit, I still think it could have been handled better. I don't speak for every business practice out there but if this shit went down in corporate spaces, best believe lawsuits are set to go. I know people go to competitors all the time but it has to be treated with respect on both parties. In my office, about 4 employees all left to go to a competitor (I do insurance) and they are all currently being sued by our company. So it's definitely not out of line for Carroll to be upset. I think the only thing that may be fucked up is we live in this social media world and MJ is going to hear shit about this for a while. Seeing how he isn't a social media hound, I think he can deal with this and be okay. �
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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash
Well, Yankee Candle already exists and my brand has yet to launch. I'm coming in to their space. And yes, at some point, Yankee Candle was NOTHING, like my brand is now. And they worked their way to being massive and have stayed there. I don't neccesarily think they have a great product but that doesn't mean they didn't earn their space or work their asses off to stay there. Good for them. Maybe one day I'll earn it too and I'll send you all free candles if I do 😉
I'd rather buy your candles anyway, Brink. Much better to support a candle maker owned candle company than the soulless corpo giant of Yankee Candle
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Nothing against Carroll at all. One of my fav skaters of all time and had a blast with him on Buzz and spoke to him a bunch after I'm not for against adidas, Nike, Lakai, etc. Don't even take a paycheck from a skate brand ... Just a few bucks for Buzz here and there. It's just shocking and sad to me how negative people got after hearing one side of a story. My Daewon/MJ post was just to focus on their skateboarding. My post before that was a general thought to consider about who you support by purchasing their products. It's just sucky seeing so much hate towards amazing skaters from so many people who may not entirely know what they are talking about and anything I put out there is basically referring to that. - Brink
I didn't say to buy what you like. Although I agree with that. I said to consider who you support and why. I just spent 2 months interviewing Alva, Rowley, Van Doren, Cab and more for a Vans article coming out soon ... They didn't start as a skate brand, for example, and they corporately owned and amazing for skateboarding. That is my point. It's not neccesarily about how they started or who owns them, but what they are doing now, you know? I worked for core brands that did gross things as well, that I would never encourage skaters to support. So everything isn't always what it seems. I didn't work at Crail and have nothing bad to say. Like everyone else I have been a fan for decades. But I'm also not a fan of internet bullying or uninformed trash talking (did it myself back in the day, guilty as charged, but changed) so I try to get people to consider other perspectives. And no, it's not my place to share info and stories about situations that aren't mine. So clearly I stay in my lane there. And to someone else's point ... Yes ... Carroll has a ton of cred. But don't Daewon and MJ too? I dunno, just being hypothetical
I dont think MJ has the credibility that Carroll has. My opinion, I guess. But Carroll has a long history of building and maintaining probably the most important skate brand (also the dopest person on a board). Marc Johnson great skater.
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Nothing against Carroll at all. One of my fav skaters of all time and had a blast with him on Buzz and spoke to him a bunch after I'm not for against adidas, Nike, Lakai, etc. Don't even take a paycheck from a skate brand ... Just a few bucks for Buzz here and there. It's just shocking and sad to me how negative people got after hearing one side of a story. My Daewon/MJ post was just to focus on their skateboarding. My post before that was a general thought to consider about who you support by purchasing their products. It's just sucky seeing so much hate towards amazing skaters from so many people who may not entirely know what they are talking about and anything I put out there is basically referring to that. - Brink
I didn't say to buy what you like. Although I agree with that. I said to consider who you support and why. I just spent 2 months interviewing Alva, Rowley, Van Doren, Cab and more for a Vans article coming out soon ... They didn't start as a skate brand, for example, and they corporately owned and amazing for skateboarding. That is my point. It's not neccesarily about how they started or who owns them, but what they are doing now, you know? I worked for core brands that did gross things as well, that I would never encourage skaters to support. So everything isn't always what it seems. I didn't work at Crail and have nothing bad to say. Like everyone else I have been a fan for decades. But I'm also not a fan of internet bullying or uninformed trash talking (did it myself back in the day, guilty as charged, but changed) so I try to get people to consider other perspectives. And no, it's not my place to share info and stories about situations that aren't mine. So clearly I stay in my lane there. And to someone else's point ... Yes ... Carroll has a ton of cred. But don't Daewon and MJ too? I dunno, just being hypothetical
That's fair. I did oversimplify your statement.
And I agree, talking shit on anyone's perceived actions is not fair considering only few people know how things actually go down. That being said, I can't help not being stoked on MJ right now.
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I didn't say to buy what you like. Although I agree with that. I said to consider who you support and why. I just spent 2 months interviewing Alva, Rowley, Van Doren, Cab and more for a Vans article coming out soon ... They didn't start as a skate brand, for example, and they corporately owned and amazing for skateboarding. That is my point. It's not neccesarily about how they started or who owns them, but what they are doing now, you know? I worked for core brands that did gross things as well, that I would never encourage skaters to support. So everything isn't always what it seems. I didn't work at Crail and have nothing bad to say. Like everyone else I have been a fan for decades. But I'm also not a fan of internet bullying or uninformed trash talking (did it myself back in the day, guilty as charged, but changed) so I try to get people to consider other perspectives. And no, it's not my place to share info and stories about situations that aren't mine. So clearly I stay in my lane there. And to someone else's point ... Yes ... Carroll has a ton of cred. But don't Daewon and MJ too? I dunno, just being hypothetical
Vans is positively different than Adidas, Nike/Cons, NB, etc. because they didn't buy their way into skateboarding and snake riders from skater-owned brands left and right with cash and cash only. Skateboarding itself adopted Vans into our culture on our terms and they have supported skating for decades now, through ups and downs. Are they a corporation that has other interests than skating? Absolutely, yes. But to compare them to other corporate companies is a straight up lark. We adopted Vans, they didn't buy us.
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WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR LOCAL "SKATE-SHOP" IN 2-5 YEARS. AND SEE NOTHING BUT BOARDS WITH EITHER A BIG SWOOSH ON THEM OR 3 STRIPES.
Seriously I think it's gonna happen. Once they kill of all these brands they will be able to produce boards at a cheaper price for the same quality any board company ever could but with much larger quantities and less cost. All pro's will have an apparel, shoe, and deck deal with the same sport brand. Large paychecks for pro's but no diversity. Gonna be weirddddd.
What would you do if your son was at home, crying all alone on the bedroom floor cuz he's hungryyy. and the only way to feed him is to skate for a corporation for a little bit of money
And now Daewon's gone, somewhere skatin rocks now,
Flip in and out of trees now,
He's still got a job now,
So for you this is just a good time
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I didn't say to buy what you like. Although I agree with that. I said to consider who you support and why. I just spent 2 months interviewing Alva, Rowley, Van Doren, Cab and more for a Vans article coming out soon ... They didn't start as a skate brand, for example, and they corporately owned and amazing for skateboarding. That is my point. It's not neccesarily about how they started or who owns them, but what they are doing now, you know? I worked for core brands that did gross things as well, that I would never encourage skaters to support. So everything isn't always what it seems. I didn't work at Crail and have nothing bad to say. Like everyone else I have been a fan for decades. But I'm also not a fan of internet bullying or uninformed trash talking (did it myself back in the day, guilty as charged, but changed) so I try to get people to consider other perspectives. And no, it's not my place to share info and stories about situations that aren't mine. So clearly I stay in my lane there. And to someone else's point ... Yes ... Carroll has a ton of cred. But don't Daewon and MJ too? I dunno, just being hypothetical
Vans is positively different than Adidas, Nike/Cons, NB, etc. because they didn't buy their way into skateboarding and snake riders from skater-owned brands left and right with cash and cash only. Skateboarding itself adopted Vans into our culture on our terms and they have supported skating for decades now, through ups and downs. Are they a corporation that has other interests than skating? Absolutely, yes. But to compare them to other corporate companies is a straight up lark. We adopted Vans, they didn't buy us.
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Yo yankee candles kick ass tho
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Yo yankee candles kick ass tho
nah nah...it's all about those Voluspa yo
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brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
The whole I'm talking through you instead of directly to you thing is pretty passive. You're on one hell of a roll right now, partner.
If I was being passive aggressive I would say something insulting in a way in a subtle, almost hidden way. If I said, "gee, you sure are one smart child!" That would be passive aggressive. Sounds like I am being complimentary, but since you aren't a child, when you think it through, you realize I'm calling you a stupid adult. I'm sending an aggressive message in a passive way.
When I talk about you, I aggressively send an aggressive message about you being a moron.
And Brink- the whole "may not know entirely what they are talking about" line is so lame. Can you clear anything up? If not, its just a lame way of saying "only the opinions of insiders are valid." Ironically, the skateboard buying market is made up of more than just "insiders" so maybe we should consider the opinion of the market as valid?
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devil's advocate...
but Jenkem's MJ original "bad sports" interview could be seen as a puff-piece for Lakai as well. Of course when he's skating their shoes he's gonna say, I wouldn't skate anything corpo. ever. because that's the sales-pitch that's successfully getting people to buy "core shoes". also, of course Jenkem is gonna fuel Carroll's fire against MJ as they have a shoe with Lakai at the moment. Jenkem actually owes a ton to MJ for giving them basically "the interview" that legitimized them as a skate site. the Berrics, errr skatemag, article definitely reads like an advertiser-paid article (duh. all of the skatemag reads/is written/is bought this way since the takeover)... but then, in a way, so do the Jenkem interviews.
EDIT: also don't look past my motivation in trying to fuel the fire of this thread so we can get some more juicy posts outside of fights with gipper, grammar errors, and discussions about candles
also, I'm just going to add that at the time, it didn't appear that MJ needed Chocolate when he got on... I remember it being quite the opposite as in, "whoa. chocolate got MJ!? finally, they are doing something again!" hence, the chocolate ad has the title, "power moves". it's not as if MJ was a nobody before Chocolate. he had one of the best shoes of all time on Emerica. put out some of the best parts of all time with Maple, 5, his 411 part, tiltmode, modus... think whatever about his personal life/character based on the allegations by Carroll, but don't try to lessen the actual impact on skating MJ had prior to joining Chocolate.
plus...everything Heritage said about Daewon.
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devil's advocate...
but Jenkem's MJ original "bad sports" interview could be seen as a puff-piece for Lakai as well. Of course when he's skating their shoes he's gonna say, I wouldn't skate anything corpo. ever. because that's the sales-pitch that's successfully getting people to buy "core shoes". also, of course Jenkem is gonna fuel Carroll's fire against MJ as they have a shoe with Lakai at the moment. Jenkem actually owes a ton to MJ for giving them basically "the interview" that legitimized them as a skate site. the Berrics, errr skatemag, article definitely reads like an advertiser-paid article (duh. all of the skatemag reads/is written/is bought this way since the takeover)... but then, in a way, so do the Jenkem interviews.
"fueling the fire against MJ" had nothing to do with the carroll interview. his interview was in the works for a good bit before the adidas announcement came out of nowhere and blindsided carroll and everyone else. it was a follow up topic that couldn't be ignored/
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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?
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I wonder what Brink's opinion would be if Yankee Candle comes in and pushes his business out of the marketplace using their power over candle retailers and surplus of cash
Well, Yankee Candle already exists and my brand has yet to launch. I'm coming in to their space. And yes, at some point, Yankee Candle was NOTHING, like my brand is now. And they worked their way to being massive and have stayed there. I don't neccesarily think they have a great product but that doesn't mean they didn't earn their space or work their asses off to stay there. Good for them. Maybe one day I'll earn it too and I'll send you all free candles if I do 😉
I'd rather buy your candles anyway, Brink. Much better to support a candle maker owned candle company than the soulless corpo giant of Yankee Candle
Awfully sweet of you 😘 And if you bought Yankee Candles and liked them, I wouldn't judge. Just make sure they are soy and not polluting your air 😂
I literally went to your etsy store to put my money where my mouth was but you don't have any candles for sale. Now I don't know what's real anymore :-\
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Call me next time your employer reduces your pay twice, you put in 2 weeks, then get asked to stick around for a bit longer to train your replacement.
Sticking around through the lean times is one thing if you are an owner, quite another as an employee.
MJ was paid reasonably well I'm sure, but when you have to slash people's pay, don't be surprised if they lose loyalty.
Asking him to stick around a bit longer and a bit longer and a bit longer. When does it end? Oh, just after Away Days... Just after Summer... Just until we can clear enough shoes out...
ive been hearing things along these lines so many times in this thread...
1. mike clearly said that mj was immune from paycuts until one at the very end
2. When does it end? It ends at the precise moment stated on the termination agreement that mj agreed to.
3. how do you not understand that putting in your two weeks at a restaurant and having hundreds of thousands of dollars of product made with your name on it(and subsequent marketing campaign) and then dipping before they can sell the product ARE IN NO WAY THE SAME FUCKING THING
1. From the interview- �"Then recently, we had to make more financial decisions and he was going to be affected again."
He left before the 2nd pay cut took place. �
2. Doesn't sound like he signed the termination agreement, so your point is moot.
I'm guessing Altamont Capital has access to some pretty good lawyers who know how to write a termination agreement that is 100% to their liking, complete with rubber dildo. If they are demanding a 6 mo. no compete so they can clear out inventory, YET pay him his newly reduced rate during that time, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves too.
3. Your right, they are different. But if Adidas has been chasing him for years and you know you are eventually going to lose him, why continue to invest in him? To keep him happy? If he has been a liar all this time, why did you try to hold onto him so bad?
Did anyone really think Crail/Lakai was going to be able to hold onto MJ after losing Gino, Koston, Guy and Biebel?
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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?
You're probably busting my balls but I'll throw this out there for fun. There was a time when I questioned it. Not because anything ever happened between another man and I, but because for so long I was kinda bullied and insulted about it, going all the way back back to grade school. So I thought, "Maybe I'm the last to know?" I tend to watch MILF porn and I have never actually thought about it but I imagine if I were gay, I would prefer a large penis on a man? Shit, why not? I have had a gay thought, which made me realize ai wasn't gay, and that's the thought or making out with a dude and how it isn't appealing to me ...
Aren't most porn milfs younger than you?
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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?
You're probably busting my balls but I'll throw this out there for fun. There was a time when I questioned it. Not because anything ever happened between another man and I, but because for so long I was kinda bullied and insulted about it, going all the way back back to grade school. So I thought, "Maybe I'm the last to know?" I tend to watch MILF porn and I have never actually thought about it but I imagine if I were gay, I would prefer a large penis on a man? Shit, why not? I have had a gay thought, which made me realize ai wasn't gay, and that's the thought or making out with a dude and how it isn't appealing to me ...
I will accept that answer. And yeah, big cocks all the way.
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Damn! It's still going nuts in here, 20 page thread incoming.
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Where is ISUCK for his opinions on this. I'd like to hear just cause he sort of went through this with Trevor Colden and him having pro boards for Mystery only to leave to go to Skate Mental. Didn't he have tons of stock left as well and that is where that $30K check came from? MJ should pay Carroll out.
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2. Doesn't sound like he signed the termination agreement, so your point is moot.
I'm guessing Altamont Capital has access to some pretty good lawyers who know how to write a termination agreement that is 100% to their liking, complete with rubber dildo. If they are demanding a 6 mo. no compete so they can clear out inventory, YET pay him his newly reduced rate during that time, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves too.
Well if everything Carroll say's is correct then why didn't MJ say something?
Mike mentioned several times during the interview that he told MJ he was open to change anything in the termination agreement "I would have done anything to make that agreement what he wanted." and "I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything".
You don't grease the wheel that doesn't squeak. If MJ didn't like the way something was shaking out he's an adult and should speak up. Sounds like Carroll gave him multiple chances to voice any concerns he had regarding the agreement and it fell on deaf ears.
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MJ looks like he's doing just fine....
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brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
Being aggressive aggressive on the internet is really your thing isn't it?
The whole I'm talking through you instead of directly to you thing is pretty passive. You're on one hell of a roll right now, partner.
If I was being passive aggressive I would say something insulting in a way in a subtle, almost hidden way. If I said, "gee, you sure are one smart child!" That would be passive aggressive. Sounds like I am being complimentary, but since you aren't a child, when you think it through, you realize I'm calling you a stupid adult. I'm sending an aggressive message in a passive way.
When I talk about you, I aggressively send an aggressive message about you being a moron.
And Brink- the whole "may not know entirely what they are talking about" line is so lame. Can you clear anything up? If not, its just a lame way of saying "only the opinions of insiders are valid." Ironically, the skateboard buying market is made up of more than just "insiders" so maybe we should consider the opinion of the market as valid?
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This feels like 2016 BradJolina moment for SLAP. Good from MJ for having the balls to say "Fuck you" in the biggest way to his long standing sponsor in the most dynamic fashion. Good for MC for having the balls and rebuttal to say "Fuck you" in the biggest way to his long standing riding in the most surprising way. Sometimes skating needs this type of shit to move it forward and keep things from going stale. Glad to see some people still appreciate a good throw down and back stabbing. C'mon ya'll love it and you know it.
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For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
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all we are is dust in the wind, have fun with skateboarding and love your families.
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Something I haven't seen said yet, maybe I missed it, is that mj was obviously still under contract with Lakai and Carroll was being a good dude and letting him out of it so he could go get more money. All he asked was that he be able to get the already made product out and not have his other employees blindsided and their work in designing and promoting Marc flushed down the shitter as a blindside in front of their faces. So shame on mj for allowing that to happen and fucking over someone who was trying to do right by him.
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Brink love your work over the years, but tell me, is eating ass better than drinking piss?
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Something I haven't seen said yet, maybe I missed it, is that mj was obviously still under contract with Lakai and Carroll was being a good dude and letting him out of it so he could go get more money. All he asked was that he be able to get the already made product out and not have his other employees blindsided and their work in designing and promoting Marc flushed down the shitter as a blindside in front of their faces. So shame on mj for allowing that to happen and fucking over someone who was trying to do right by him.
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Hey brink, I know you say your not gay, but have you ever had a gay thought? Do you ever watch shemale porn? Would you rather suck a small or big dick?
You're probably busting my balls but I'll throw this out there for fun. There was a time when I questioned it. Not because anything ever happened between another man and I, but because for so long I was kinda bullied and insulted about it, going all the way back back to grade school. So I thought, "Maybe I'm the last to know?" I tend to watch MILF porn and I have never actually thought about it but I imagine if I were gay, I would prefer a large penis on a man? Shit, why not? I have had a gay thought, which made me realize ai wasn't gay, and that's the thought or making out with a dude and how it isn't appealing to me ...
I will accept that answer. And yeah, big cocks all the way.
Hi Brink, I'm sure you don't remember this but this thread reminded me of this exchange.
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Man, I wish you guys had more transparency into the inner workings of the skate industry ...
Never forget MJ's Jenkem interview ...
He said what needs to be said, but with class. To your point ... not dropping names. You don't have to believe or trust it. But that doesn't mean he isn't right. Or isn't providing an insider view and perspective of truth.
I know I've personally explained to people or friend to avoid something ... let's just say a chick they like. You don't always want to give a whole list of info and negativity and facts. You just go, "Hey man, I dunno, she's kinda bad news." They can then do what they will with that info.
Buy what you like. Because no company is exempt from doing something that would make you go, "Man, FUCK THAT COMPANY." And I think that is important enough information to know, without someone like MJ or me going into a whole slew of facts and name dropping.
I'm not trying to cool guy anything or back any company or slam any company. I'm just trying to add some perspective to make people consider multiple angles. I enjoy that part of any topic/discussion/etc.
Why bother replying at all if your still gonna industry cool guy us?
Yeah Brink, quit talking in circles.
I'm not trying to come at you or anything but just wanted to see if you think there is anything in the quotes above that has changed due to the events discussed in this thread or if it all still reads true? I've never met you but I like what I have seen and read of you so I'm not shit stirring just interested in your opinions. And yeah big cocks all the way, who would want a small cock in their mouth?
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.
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For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.
It was a total lifestyle commercial. Dennis and Silas riding in a car that is clearly not theres, picks up Daewon and then ride to a school where you happen to see MJ. It felt so unnatural.
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.
If you think Nike is popular because of the quality of their product and their image and not unlimited capitol, you're delusional. And I disagree with you about Lakai. I think they've added some of their most unique riders in the last several years.
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Has MJ spoke on this at all yet? This thread is way too hard to follow.
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Has MJ spoke on this at all yet? This thread is way too hard to follow.
probs too shitfaced.
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i see lots of talk lumping adidas into nike/cons/NB/etc saying that they swooped in and bought up all the best riders, y'all realize that adidas has been in it since the late 90's, initially supporting gonz, matt beach, lance mountain, etc? they've earned there spot based on that alone, in my opinion. no huge marketing campaign, just low key supporting dope dudes. i mean yeah, the shoes were shit back then, but it's not like they came in for a cash grab and dipped. they've been in it almost as long as lakai has. i still would rather support lakai, and do, but people are getting it twisted.
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So is it not obvious that Adidas will probably buy all of the lakai back stock so that Marc doesn't get sued?
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So is it not obvious that Adidas will probably buy all of the lakai back stock so that Marc doesn't get sued?
http://garagedayscollection.com/ (http://garagedayscollection.com/)
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Glad we're on the same page. Y'all are crazy. We are talking about candles and my sexuality in a Carroll/MJ thread of the century. I'm outta this one but ya'll know how to get in touch with me one on one if you like ... 👍🏻
Yooo
For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.
It was an introduction to the team, not a showcase of their skating...
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So is it not obvious that Adidas will probably buy all of the lakai back stock so that Marc doesn't get sued?
http://garagedayscollection.com/ (http://garagedayscollection.com/)
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what was the point of that
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So what I'm taking from this is that Brink knows more about this than we do, inferred so in his original post about mj and daewon, and then came on here and back pedaled.
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i see lots of talk lumping adidas into nike/cons/NB/etc saying that they swooped in and bought up all the best riders, y'all realize that adidas has been in it since the late 90's, initially supporting gonz, matt beach, lance mountain, etc? they've earned there spot based on that alone, in my opinion. no huge marketing campaign, just low key supporting dope dudes. i mean yeah, the shoes were shit back then, but it's not like they came in for a cash grab and dipped. they've been in it almost as long as lakai has. i still would rather support lakai, and do, but people are getting it twisted.
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Something I haven't seen said yet, maybe I missed it, is that mj was obviously still under contract with Lakai and Carroll was being a good dude and letting him out of it so he could go get more money. All he asked was that he be able to get the already made product out and not have his other employees blindsided and their work in designing and promoting Marc flushed down the shitter as a blindside in front of their faces. So shame on mj for allowing that to happen and fucking over someone who was trying to do right by him.
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Has MJ spoke on this at all yet? This thread is way too hard to follow.
probs too shitfaced.
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So what I'm taking from this is that Brink knows more about this than we do, inferred so in his original post about mj and daewon, and then came on here and back pedaled.�
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.
If you think Nike is popular because of the quality of their product and their image and not unlimited capitol, you're delusional. And I disagree with you about Lakai. I think they've added some of their most unique riders in the last several years.
people are often oblivious to the marketing angle...
tons of money goes into making a brand just come across as relatable... i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Nike's marketing budget, alone, overshadows Lakai's net worth.
the deeper a company's pockets, the better they can create, hone and communicate that message from nothing in order to manipulate their target market's perception of their brand.
I wouldn't be surprised either. But even if you have unlimited money to throw at marketing, you still have to market a good idea for it to be successful. It doesn't cost money to come up with good ideas and strategies. I think the first person on nike was Prod if im not mistaken, right before his prime, that was a good choice to portray how nike would be accepted. By kids who would have worn nike but didnt think they could because other skateboarders would make fun of you, then it blew up from there. Adidas on the other hand took a more underground and skate based approach, which is why most people like adidas, even if they hate nike. Bottom line, ideas dont cost money.
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.
If you think Nike is popular because of the quality of their product and their image and not unlimited capitol, you're delusional. And I disagree with you about Lakai. I think they've added some of their most unique riders in the last several years.
people are often oblivious to the marketing angle...
tons of money goes into making a brand just come across as relatable... i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Nike's marketing budget, alone, overshadows Lakai's net worth.
the deeper a company's pockets, the better they can create, hone and communicate that message from nothing in order to manipulate their target market's perception of their brand.
I wouldn't be surprised either. But even if you have unlimited money to throw at marketing, you still have to market a good idea for it to be successful. It doesn't cost money to come up with good ideas and strategies. I think the first person on nike was Prod if im not mistaken, right before his prime, that was a good choice to portray how nike would be accepted. By kids who would have worn nike but didnt think they could because other skateboarders would make fun of you, then it blew up from there. Adidas on the other hand took a more underground and skate based approach, which is why most people like adidas, even if they hate nike. Bottom line, ideas dont cost money.
Nike's 2015 marketing budget was $2.4 Billion. So yes, a few dollars more than Lakai is worth
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So what I'm taking from this is that Brink knows more about this than we do, inferred so in his original post about mj and daewon, and then came on here and back pedaled.�
Brink only ever says he knows more than we do.
haha didn't he do the same shit with the Chase screwdriver incident?
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For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.
It was an introduction to the team, not a showcase of their skating...
Which exactly what makes the section so pointless. Why put news in the middle of your video? The section will have zero value after a few weeks. And MJ did all of this just to appear in a part of the video that will only be skipped on repeat views? Good lord.
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i'm not worried, i think guy, koston, mj, and carroll will all get back together the time avengers 3 comes around
Captain Carroll: Civil War
Team Carroll or Team Johnson
It's like Adidas showed footage of Marc killing MC's parents or some shit..
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.
If you think Nike is popular because of the quality of their product and their image and not unlimited capitol, you're delusional. And I disagree with you about Lakai. I think they've added some of their most unique riders in the last several years.
people are often oblivious to the marketing angle...
tons of money goes into making a brand just come across as relatable... i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Nike's marketing budget, alone, overshadows Lakai's net worth.
the deeper a company's pockets, the better they can create, hone and communicate that message from nothing in order to manipulate their target market's perception of their brand.
I wouldn't be surprised either. But even if you have unlimited money to throw at marketing, you still have to market a good idea for it to be successful. It doesn't cost money to come up with good ideas and strategies. I think the first person on nike was Prod if im not mistaken, right before his prime, that was a good choice to portray how nike would be accepted. By kids who would have worn nike but didnt think they could because other skateboarders would make fun of you, then it blew up from there. Adidas on the other hand took a more underground and skate based approach, which is why most people like adidas, even if they hate nike. Bottom line, ideas dont cost money.
1.) Numerous companies and studies have proven that marketing/branding can and will override ideas/products.
2.) Good ideas and strategies often do cost a lot of money. That's why there are consulting firms worth so much. Even if you don't spend money on new ideas/strategies, executing them effectively, developing and testing new technology, and a myriad of other things do cost money. And the more money you have, the better you are able to do all of those things, which often then means you'll get much more in return.
3.) PRod was definitely NOT the first person on Nike. They had an established team well before they signed him. And all of those guys were underground and respected skaters. Gip has talked about how this plan and strategy was super deliberate to allow them to get into skating and get respected before launching a big campaign. If anything, signing PRod was their first "power move." And they actually signed him like right at the start of his prime: he had just released his Yeah, Right! part, was the talk of skating, was about to get a pro model on eS, so him signing to Nike was a big deal. Partly because he stood out as their first non-underground signing.
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For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.
It was an introduction to the team, not a showcase of their skating...
Which exactly what makes the section so pointless. Why put news in the middle of your video? The section will have zero value after a few weeks. And MJ did all of this just to appear in a part of the video that will only be skipped on repeat views? Good lord.
Yes, thank you. I guess the section serves as a sort of bookmark in time, where every time we see it we're reminded of hipocrysy and betrayal. Good work Adidas!
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Glad we're on the same page. Y'all are crazy. We are talking about candles and my sexuality in a Carroll/MJ thread of the century. I'm outta this one but ya'll know how to get in touch with me one on one if you like ... 👍🏻
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For all the double crossing and lies about the announcement, I was rather disappointed in the delivery in the video. I could understand if the little section introducing Daewon and Marc led to a shared part, but one or two tricks each? Completely unnecessary, could have lived without that long drawn out and disappointing section altogether.
It was an introduction to the team, not a showcase of their skating...
Haha ... The gay stuff ... It never ends.
Even though you skirted away from the shemale question with finesse, I respect you saying you would rather suck a big cock. It takes a man to say that. Respect Brink. Respect.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
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So what I'm taking from this is that Brink knows more about this than we do, inferred so in his original post about mj and daewon, and then came on here and back pedaled.�
Brink only ever says he knows more than we do.
haha didn't he do the same shit with the Chase screwdriver incident? �
No backpedaling ... At least I don't think so. And I may or may not know more than some people here. Not the point. It's just not my place to tell other people's stories. That's just respect. No one owes anyone any information. I like to come here and try and offer some insight and have a laugh or even defend myself when I can. But I can't speak of other people's business or things I don't know are fact or know firsthand. And that's basically what I have spoken up about regarding this whole issue. For the record. I had opportunities to go interview for Nike. Never did. Had an adidas interview a few years back, didn't get the job. Ran a skate shop in NJ for 7 years and never carried Nike Dunks or adidas or anything. I just like skateboarding. Regardless of who people ride for. You want me to talk a bunch of trash or something? Just not my thing these days. I've been quite public about some horrible experiences at Sole Tech and DC way back that opened my eyes to lots of grossness, core or not. Now that it's behind me I'm tired of hating skateboarding so I opted to try to just be more positive a few years ago instead of critical. And maybe try to change some percecptions along the way based on what I know. You dont have to agree or believe me. I just want to enjoy it these days, do my show, write a little ... And not working for any skate brands has been awesome actually. I fully get where some of you are at. Man if the Slap boards and social media existed when I was in my gossip hayday I woulda been all over it. These days I'm just old and want to enjoy the fortunate position I'm in.
All I ever really see from you is "you don't know the whole story." Which implies that you do know the whole story. Doing so gets you a whole lot of attention when in reality you haven't given anything. People assume you know whats going on because of your industry connections. But my guess is you just like to stoke the fire while stroking your ego and not really knowing whats going on.
But hey, that's just my two cents.
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Brink, I tend to always agree with you on most issues, but I think it's a cop out to say you're not for or against Nike/Adidas. I don't think you can be nuetral on the issue. For someone like Lakai to put time, effort and money into getting someone like Karsten on, have them film a killer video part and then Nike just swoops in and offers them a lot more money than Lakai can match is the worst. How can you not think that mentality as a whole is ok for the skateboarding world? Sure you can blame it on capitalism or whatever, but I know you're a skate rat too and I think the whole MJ topic has been one more dagger in the heart for people who grew up in a preNike world and see what it's become. And to compare Vans to Nike is nowhere near the same. As you said, it's not as important to me how they started, but how they are responding to the skate world at the moment, and Nike is a coming in like a fucking storm trying to dominate the industry. Shit sucks.
Welcome to real life, shit like this has been happening before nike and adidas came on the scene. Aside from any personal beef, lakai has been stale for years. They're keeping a formula that worked 5 years ago and not keeping up with what the consumer wants. What is lakai's image? They make skate shoes? They're for normal people? Thats not gonna fly in 2016. People are eating up nike and adidas because they make a good product and keep improving theyre product and image, thats why there successful, there keeping up with the market. Not because their goal is to dominate skateboarding.
If you think Nike is popular because of the quality of their product and their image and not unlimited capitol, you're delusional. And I disagree with you about Lakai. I think they've added some of their most unique riders in the last several years.
people are often oblivious to the marketing angle...
tons of money goes into making a brand just come across as relatable... i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Nike's marketing budget, alone, overshadows Lakai's net worth.
the deeper a company's pockets, the better they can create, hone and communicate that message from nothing in order to manipulate their target market's perception of their brand.
I wouldn't be surprised either. But even if you have unlimited money to throw at marketing, you still have to market a good idea for it to be successful. It doesn't cost money to come up with good ideas and strategies. I think the first person on nike was Prod if im not mistaken, right before his prime, that was a good choice to portray how nike would be accepted. By kids who would have worn nike but didnt think they could because other skateboarders would make fun of you, then it blew up from there. Adidas on the other hand took a more underground and skate based approach, which is why most people like adidas, even if they hate nike. Bottom line, ideas dont cost money.
1.) Numerous companies and studies have proven that marketing/branding can and will override ideas/products.
2.) Good ideas and strategies often do cost a lot of money. That's why there are consulting firms worth so much. Even if you don't spend money on new ideas/strategies, executing them effectively, developing and testing new technology, and a myriad of other things do cost money. And the more money you have, the better you are able to do all of those things, which often then means you'll get much more in return.
3.) PRod was definitely NOT the first person on Nike. They had an established team well before they signed him. And all of those guys were underground and respected skaters. Gip has talked about how this plan and strategy was super deliberate to allow them to get into skating and get respected before launching a big campaign. If anything, signing PRod was their first "power move." And they actually signed him like right at the start of his prime: he had just released his Yeah, Right! part, was the talk of skating, was about to get a pro model on eS, so him signing to Nike was a big deal. Partly because he stood out as their first non-underground signing.
this is exactly it.
underestimating, or flippantly ignoring the marketing angle is stupid as fuck.
it's a huge factor, a huge expense, because it works.
nikesb's marketing team has been analyzing skateboarders since their first failed attempt to penetrate this market, with nothing more than the objective of making you all feel like it's finally okay to rep their products.
adidas is in the same boat in that they also employ an army of strategists with the very same objective.
essentially, built into the overhead of that shoe, beyond shareholder profit margins, are salaries of people who do nothing but scheme on ways of manipulating your perceptions, and also scheme on other brands that don't mesh with the vibe that THEY want skateboarding to become.
i get it. they make a nice shoe. sure. but if you're really sold on the idea that their shoes are far superior to other brands [brands that don't fuck around like this] you've been wilfully drinking their ejaculate, and you've convinced yourself that it's actually a freshly pulled pint.
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Two of the three workplaces I quit with no notice have hired me back, so you can lightly toast a bridge. This is more like a fully burnt bridge, kind of like MJ took a dump on the floor on the way out. Pretty rad. Still backing Carroll until I hear the whole story.
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its curtains for crailtap, thats it. wish it didn't go down like this
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The Skateboard Mag posted a response (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/) from both of them yesterday.
"You know what? Don't make a judgment until you really understand the facts about why somebody would leave a company they were with for fifteen-twenty years," Marc says. "Maybe do a little digging. 'Cause it's a good thing."
"Daewon offers some clarity for those averse to digging, an illustration to help keep the haters in check: "People don't know what was happening internally� It's like being in a relationship with a girl. 'Oh, I see her all the time. She's so nice, she's so sweet.' Yeah, but you don't know the real her."
Marc agrees, "Yup."
Daewon: "When you wind up breaking up, they think you're crazy. They're getting the exterior of her, they're not getting what's really inside."
The girlfriend-from-hell analogy rings true for Marc, and he gets a little more specific. "At some point the bullshit wears thin. You've got ideas, and when you outrun the company and you've got all these ideas and the company can't keep up? It's ridiculous," Marc says. "You just talk to somebody who's willing to do these projects, [someone] who is progressive.""
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
I got a feeling gipper will have a stronger response to this than I'll be able to. But I have a hard time buying this argument in full. I'm all about capitalism rewarding the best and hardest working among us. But it's not that simple. It's like saying that CEO's who's salary has increased 300+ times in the last 20 years while workers salaries have remained stagnant has happened only because those CEO's are working 300+ times harder and are 300+ times smarter than the workers, as opposed to say, them being in a position of power to influence the rules of the game in their favor. Does hard work make a difference between who stays and who goes? Absolutely. Are there other factors in play? Definitely. And in the case of corpo shoe companies, I got a feeling it's a lot of the 'other factors' that are making the difference.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
I have to side with Brink here. You're a total moron if you don't see the business comparison here. RadioShack is a business that used to be super powerful and is now failing, just like these skate companies. Both businesses, a lot of comparisons can be made there.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
I got a feeling gipper will have a stronger response to this than I'll be able to. But I have a hard time buying this argument in full. I'm all about capitalism rewarding the best and hardest working among us. But it's not that simple. It's like saying that CEO's who's salary has increased 300+ times in the last 20 years while workers salaries have remained stagnant has happened only because those CEO's are working 300+ times harder and are 300+ times smarter than the workers, as opposed to say, them being in a position of power to influence the rules of the game in their favor. Does hard work make a difference between who stays and who goes? Absolutely. Are there other factors in play? Definitely. And in the case of corpo shoe companies, I got a feeling it's a lot of the 'other factors' that are making the difference.
I'm sure you are correct. I was just explaining what someone asked based on what I have seen where I have worked in skate. I'm pretty sure its understood that I don't mean what I'm saying applies to "everything and everyone." At least I hope that's understood.
Yes, understood. Always appreciate your comments. *thumbs up emoji*
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
This thread has gone full tin-foil-hat. Never thought I'd see the day when we'd have Marc Johnson of all people burned in effigy. Shuddering to think how you all are going to react when they announce Reynolds
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
Haha never said a word about Best Buy. And it was just a random example of someone I recently read was going bankrupt to illustrate what I was trying to say. Insert any brand's name that was at the top and isn't around anymore and so often it's the case. That's all. Jeez ....
I dunno why im going in on this but...they are not the same. Radio Shack had some management failures but the reason they went out of business was focusing on cell phones (product niche) and online competition (think Amazon). In effect, they went out of business primarily because the means of purchase (online v brick and mortar) changed and product niche. Lakai makes shoes and so does nike. This is not about product or different means of purchase. This is about scale, size and access to capital. The two are really not good comparisons.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
I disagree with that comparison. The technology of skateboarding has essentially stayed the same. Its not like 1990 when suddenly popsicle boards, small wheels, and street pros became the standard. The difference today is that new powerful players are taking over the market. I think this is more like when Wal-mart comes into a small town and puts all of the small businesses out of business. They are larger, start off with more open accounts, and can afford a larger overhead and lower prices. The price issue is a serious one, as they get accused of predatory pricing- pricing goods below market price and at a loss when they come into a new town until the competition is gone, at which point they jack the prices up. Nike may not do that with pricing, but they definitely have already abandoned a lot of policies they had to keep in place before they had a hold on the market, with the most obvious example being their availability at any shoe store these days, instead of their original promise of just being in skate shops. In the end, people are left with less choices of businesses and the economies of entire communities become dependent on the low wage jobs and cheap products Wal-mart creates. That could easily happen to skating- skater owned brands, which may be full of lame owners, go out of business, skate shoes get less popular in the mainstream, and boom, we're back to going to footlocker and trying to find the shoe that looks most like it might skate well.
Put simply, competition is a HUGE part of business, of course other competitors relate to whether you succeed of fail, and team sports is really mostly just conditioning to ease people into capitalism and militarism (ok, that last part is more hypothesis than proven fact)
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
This thread has gone full tin-foil-hat. �Never thought I'd see the day when we'd have Marc Johnson of all people burned in effigy. �Shuddering to think how you all are going to react when they announce Reynolds
Reynolds wouldn't get half of this response because he'd probably do it with more class.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
This thread has gone full tin-foil-hat. �Never thought I'd see the day when we'd have Marc Johnson of all people burned in effigy. �Shuddering to think how you all are going to react when they announce Reynolds
Hopefully the world will explode before then and we will all be dead.
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Shuddering to think how you all are going to react when they announce Reynolds
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So what I'm taking from this is that Brink knows more about this than we do, inferred so in his original post about mj and daewon, and then came on here and back pedaled.�
Brink only ever says he knows more than we do.
haha didn't he do the same shit with the Chase screwdriver incident? �
No backpedaling ... At least I don't think so. And I may or may not know more than some people here. Not the point. It's just not my place to tell other people's stories. That's just respect. No one owes anyone any information. I like to come here and try and offer some insight and have a laugh or even defend myself when I can. But I can't speak of other people's business or things I don't know are fact or know firsthand. And that's basically what I have spoken up about regarding this whole issue. For the record. I had opportunities to go interview for Nike. Never did. Had an adidas interview a few years back, didn't get the job. Ran a skate shop in NJ for 7 years and never carried Nike Dunks or adidas or anything. I just like skateboarding. Regardless of who people ride for. You want me to talk a bunch of trash or something? Just not my thing these days. I've been quite public about some horrible experiences at Sole Tech and DC way back that opened my eyes to lots of grossness, core or not. Now that it's behind me I'm tired of hating skateboarding so I opted to try to just be more positive a few years ago instead of critical. And maybe try to change some percecptions along the way based on what I know. You dont have to agree or believe me. I just want to enjoy it these days, do my show, write a little ... And not working for any skate brands has been awesome actually. I fully get where some of you are at. Man if the Slap boards and social media existed when I was in my gossip hayday I woulda been all over it. These days I'm just old and want to enjoy the fortunate position I'm in.
Maybe not, but I know that if I was a professional skateboarder I would certainly care about what others (consumers) thought of me. If a large part of my livelihood came from people buying product with my name on it and giving a shit about what I do, I wouldn't try and be a cool guy because I'm on the "inside", which is heavily the impression I got with that Skateboard Mag article. If there really is more to the story, I would be eager to clear the air. But with such a big company backing Marc, maybe that's not necessary.
And I'm not saying anybody owes it to us to humor the pond of silly rumors, but I don't think this falls under that category. We're talking about one of the most influential professional skateboarders and entrepreneurs speaking out against a problem that's been being discussed for years. I think it's pretty fair to hold that to at least some valid regard. There's a big difference between being a "hater" and being critical about an industry that's important to you. At the end of the day we the consumers are what's pumping life into skateboarding, and our take on things absolutely matters. Sure, nobody owes us any explanations, but apathy sure won't earn my dollar.
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yeah, the response of "dig deeper for yourself" in an interview where he is supposed to be clearing the air is weak at best. Perhaps there is good reasoning, but that didn't convince me that there is. I mean, considering the fact that he is responding to an interview where he was openly called a back stabbing unreliable compulsive liar, its not like he has any reason to hold back the story if they genuinely did him dirty.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
Haha never said a word about Best Buy. And it was just a random example of someone I recently read was going bankrupt to illustrate what I was trying to say. Insert any brand's name that was at the top and isn't around anymore and so often it's the case. That's all. Jeez ....
I dunno why im going in on this but...they are not the same. Radio Shack had some management failures but the reason they went out of business was focusing on cell phones (product niche) and online competition (think Amazon). In effect, they went out of business primarily because the means of purchase (online v brick and mortar) changed and product niche. Lakai makes shoes and so does nike. This is not about product or different means of purchase. This is about scale, size and access to capital. The two are really not good comparisons.
It's not just about that though. It comes down to their business strategy. Certain small companies are still striving because they made smart business decisions and positioned themselves well in the market. Look at Huf, the smallest & newest shoe company out, yet their shoes are killing it in most shops. My local told me between clothing and shoes they order more Huf than Nike, which is crazy (because Huf has success on the shoe wall and the clothing sells well).
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Shuddering to think how you all are going to react when they announce Reynolds
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Shuddering to think how you all are going to react when they announce Reynolds
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Until December The Boss is safe at home.
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Why bail after Made 2 ? Fun thing that Beagle have a deal with adidas for the past what...ten years ?
I think we can keep Reynolds out of this equation until december.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
I have to side with Brink here. You're a total moron if you don't see the business comparison here. RadioShack is a business that used to be super powerful and is now failing, just like these skate companies. Both businesses, a lot of comparisons can be made there.
OOHHHHHH that's the comparison? Silly me! Of course, they're both BUSINESSES! Duh!
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
I have to side with Brink here. You're a total moron if you don't see the business comparison here. RadioShack is a business that used to be super powerful and is now failing, just like these skate companies. Both businesses, a lot of comparisons can be made there.
OOHHHHHH that's the comparison? Silly me! Of course, they're both BUSINESSES! Duh!
Please consider suicide.
Every industry is comparable on certain levels. The best way to learn about business is studying companies that have succeeded and failed, there are lots of things that Crail could learn from RadioShack.
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How many pages ago did it turn into this shit show? This one had a pretty good run before it turned into a bunch of homeless guys yelling at birds.
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How many pages ago did it turn into this shit show? This one had a pretty good run before it turned into a bunch of homeless guys Brink yelling at birds.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
I have to side with Brink here. You're a total moron if you don't see the business comparison here. RadioShack is a business that used to be super powerful and is now failing, just like these skate companies. Both businesses, a lot of comparisons can be made there.
OOHHHHHH that's the comparison? Silly me! Of course, they're both BUSINESSES! Duh!
Please consider suicide.
Every industry is comparable on certain levels. The best way to learn about business is studying companies that have succeeded and failed, there are lots of things that Crail could learn from RadioShack.
This is just like the Uber vs taxi drivers thats been going on my country. Uber came and stolen almost all their costumers because they have a better/cheaper service than taxis... What taxi drivers do? Modernize themselves and try to offer a competitive option? No, they go and make protests against uber saying its iligal and beat uber drivers when they see one. If you loose your job for someone that does it better, you should consider that the problem is in you and not in the person that stolen your job.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
Haha never said a word about Best Buy. And it was just a random example of someone I recently read was going bankrupt to illustrate what I was trying to say. Insert any brand's name that was at the top and isn't around anymore and so often it's the case. That's all. Jeez ....
I dunno why im going in on this but...they are not the same. Radio Shack had some management failures but the reason they went out of business was focusing on cell phones (product niche) and online competition (think Amazon). In effect, they went out of business primarily because the means of purchase (online v brick and mortar) changed and product niche. Lakai makes shoes and so does nike. This is not about product or different means of purchase. This is about scale, size and access to capital. The two are really not good comparisons.
It's not just about that though. It comes down to their business strategy. Certain small companies are still striving because they made smart business decisions and positioned themselves well in the market. Look at Huf, the smallest & newest shoe company out, yet their shoes are killing it in most shops. My local told me between clothing and shoes they order more Huf than Nike, which is crazy (because Huf has success on the shoe wall and the clothing sells well).
Huf got lucky off of weed socks, but also is actually owned by altamont capital or something.
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Can we all just take a moment to appreciate what just went down, in regards to the Jenkem interview?
- Marc Johnson (allegedly) made a shitty life decision by not being upfront and honest about his intentions
- Mike Carroll, when hit with the news, immediately goes on record and not only defames his former friend and employee, but he IN THE INTERVIEW fires him from the Chocolate team
Can you imagine any other sport or business where this happens? The Rocco comparisons are spot on, and I love it. Skateboarding is great
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Can we all just take a moment to appreciate what just went down, in regards to the Jenkem interview?
- Marc Johnson (allegedly) made a shitty life decision by not being upfront and honest about his intentions
- Mike Carroll, when hit with the news, immediately goes on record and not only defames his former friend and employee, but he IN THE INTERVIEW fires him from the Chocolate team
Can you imagine any other sport or business where this happens? The Rocco comparisons are spot on, and I love it. Skateboarding is great
The Crail guys learnt from the BEST.
Rocco might have been a slight cunt, well major one actually, but fuck me if the World camp wasn't the freshest shit for years. Those motherfuckers changed skating. Made it fresh and proper, they made the rules.
Getting on any World company back in the day was like being made in the Mafia.
And Rocco was behind all of it.
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IDGAF about any of this but I hope Emerica re-issues the Marc Johnson 1's again. Also I hope I can find a pair on eBay for a reasonable price someday :'(
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So what I'm taking from this is that Brink knows more about this than we do, inferred so in his original post about mj and daewon, and then came on here and back pedaled.�
Brink only ever says he knows more than we do.
haha didn't he do the same shit with the Chase screwdriver incident? �
No backpedaling ... At least I don't think so. And I may or may not know more than some people here. Not the point. It's just not my place to tell other people's stories. That's just respect. No one owes anyone any information. I like to come here and try and offer some insight and have a laugh or even defend myself when I can. But I can't speak of other people's business or things I don't know are fact or know firsthand. And that's basically what I have spoken up about regarding this whole issue. For the record. I had opportunities to go interview for Nike. Never did. Had an adidas interview a few years back, didn't get the job. Ran a skate shop in NJ for 7 years and never carried Nike Dunks or adidas or anything. I just like skateboarding. Regardless of who people ride for. You want me to talk a bunch of trash or something? Just not my thing these days. I've been quite public about some horrible experiences at Sole Tech and DC way back that opened my eyes to lots of grossness, core or not. Now that it's behind me I'm tired of hating skateboarding so I opted to try to just be more positive a few years ago instead of critical. And maybe try to change some percecptions along the way based on what I know. You dont have to agree or believe me. I just want to enjoy it these days, do my show, write a little ... And not working for any skate brands has been awesome actually. I fully get where some of you are at. Man if the Slap boards and social media existed when I was in my gossip hayday I woulda been all over it. These days I'm just old and want to enjoy the fortunate position I'm in.
All I ever really see from you is "you don't know the whole story." Which implies that you do know the whole story. Doing so gets you a whole lot of attention when in reality you haven't given anything. People assume you know whats going on because of your industry connections. But my guess is you just like to stoke the fire while stroking your ego and not really knowing whats going on.
But hey, that's just my two cents.
I'd never in my life claim to know the whole story on anything that didn't directly involve me. You can assume I'm "implying" whatever you want and if you are looking for conspiracies I'm sure you'll think you have found em. But I'm sitting here telling you what I meant. And no, that's not "all you ever hear from me." But it's a totally normal concept ... From the beginning of time ... "You don't know the whole story so maybe there's more." It applies to all of us.
Addendum: which part of all this is actually a stroke to the ego?
Holy shit it's the total opposite man! Haha. It's abuse!
Addendum #2 I DID definitely come on here and say that in regards to some shit about "Nike shutting down Emerica WITS in Mexico at some skatepark. Cuz it sounded odd to me. I didn't say much more. And when Reynolds was on Buzz I asked him directly and he said that ot nver happened. Pretty sure it's in the edit.
The part where people hang off of your words because of some perceived insider info. If someone witnesses something fucked up and says, "Damn that's fucked up!" it's easy to say "you don't know the whole story". But because of your background in the industry, people are going to assume you know something when you mention "the whole story". They get in this fuss, "what Brink, what? Tell us pleaseeee", while you then pull the "not my business" card. It just seems like a cop-out or a cover-up for not really knowing anything, while making people think you're some industry insider that people hit up when shit goes down. Whether this is conscious to you or not, to me it looks like someone who just likes the attention. If you're intention really is to provide insight or provoke a new strain of thought you might be better off posting anonymously, rather than as a known figure who "can't say anything".
I don't know you, so I won't pretend that I know what you do/don't know or what your intentions are behind your keyboard. These are just my thoughts of your perception on SLAP.
And sorry, when I said "All I ever really see" I should have said "All I ever really notice."
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too much business talk not enough talk about how bad MJ's recent bender was.
1 handle over 3 days? 2 days? narcotics too? drinking at 7am to even out? DUI all over the place just not getting caught? does beer even count as alcoholic units anymore?
come on folks much juicier shit than business strategy.
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The Skateboard Mag posted a response (http://theskateboardmag.com/earned-stripes-daewon-song-and-marc-johnson-join-adidas-skateboarding/) from both of them yesterday.
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"You know what? Don't make a judgment until you really understand the facts about why somebody would leave a company they were with for fifteen-twenty years," Marc says. "Maybe do a little digging. 'Cause it's a good thing."
"Daewon offers some clarity for those averse to digging, an illustration to help keep the haters in check: "People don't know what was happening internally� It's like being in a relationship with a girl. 'Oh, I see her all the time. She's so nice, she's so sweet.' Yeah, but you don't know the real her."
Marc agrees, "Yup."
Daewon: "When you wind up breaking up, they think you're crazy. They're getting the exterior of her, they're not getting what's really inside."
The girlfriend-from-hell analogy rings true for Marc, and he gets a little more specific. "At some point the bullshit wears thin. You've got ideas, and when you outrun the company and you've got all these ideas and the company can't keep up? It's ridiculous," Marc says. "You just talk to somebody who's willing to do these projects, [someone] who is progressive.""
Yeah, we've talked about this a lot and pretty much all decided it was worthless PR copy that didn't address or explain anything of worth. And again, no one is talking shit on Daewon, despite what they like to say to try and detract from the discussion on MJ.
someone just argued their way to PAL status!
Congrats Brink!
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too much business talk not enough talk about how bad MJ's recent bender was.
1 handle over 3 days? 2 days? narcotics too? drinking at 7am to even out? DUI all over the place just not getting caught? does beer even count as alcoholic units anymore?
come on folks much juicier shit than business strategy.
This is lame. Wishing substanace abuse on former addicts is dumb. MJ seeems like a jag. But I dont wish relapse on anyone.
Time to get this thread back on topic: MC (crail) vs MJ (Big Shoe Company, in MJs words).
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Jerry hsu on baker. So tight. Confirmed.
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I'll just say it again. Happy that MJ is on a team that he likes and is getting paid. Unhappy on the way he left Lakai according to Carroll. Waiting for MJ's take but that'll probably only happen on the 29th. Either way I'm probably gonna buy a chocolate board or a pair of Lakai's in the future. I don't hate Adidas, always thought they entered the skate industry a better way than nike. Also Tired of these industry heads thinking that we're just pissed off at big companies for no reason besides them being popular.
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Just so we know (and even though it's been said on every.single.page so far):
no one is talking shit on Daewon
Also, should we all swoop on MJ's Lakai models to show our support?
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Rob " captain save a pro " brink
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Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we don’t get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
Looks like there'll be a follow up interview with Marc on Jenkem at some point.
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Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we dont get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
Looks like there'll be a follow up interview with Marc on Jenkem at some point.
the moment we've all been waiting for...
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Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we don�t get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
Looks like there'll be a follow up interview with Marc on Jenkem at some point.
Cairo Foster on Adidas
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Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we dont get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
Looks like there'll be a follow up interview with Marc on Jenkem at some point.
I am willing to bet $100 he makes even more of a kook of himself....
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
I have to side with Brink here. You're a total moron if you don't see the business comparison here. RadioShack is a business that used to be super powerful and is now failing, just like these skate companies. Both businesses, a lot of comparisons can be made there.
OOHHHHHH that's the comparison? Silly me! Of course, they're both BUSINESSES! Duh!
Please consider suicide.
Every industry is comparable on certain levels. The best way to learn about business is studying companies that have succeeded and failed, there are lots of things that Crail could learn from RadioShack.
This is just like the Uber vs taxi drivers thats been going on my country. Uber came and stolen almost all their costumers because they have a better/cheaper service than taxis... What taxi drivers do? Modernize themselves and try to offer a competitive option? No, they go and make protests against uber saying its iligal and beat uber drivers when they see one. If you loose your job for someone that does it better, you should consider that the problem is in you and not in the person that stolen your job.
I get what you're saying, but I think the situation is not as cut and dry. When it comes to the uber debate I think one of the main qualms taxi companies have with uber is the fact that taxi services have to get permits and essentially have to deal with regulations at city and state level while uber (who is essentially providing the same service) is trying to bypass regulation by claiming they are not a taxi service (ride sharing) and their divers are not employees but "independent contractors". Also if you're going to bring "better job" into it. Know that companies like uber are screwing over their own drivers, and essentially trying to flood the market with drivers as a way to increase their presence.
So how do you tie it into skateboarding? Big companies offer lucrative contracts to marketable skaters until they ultimately get a grip on the market and don't necessarily need to use any pros to sell items, but rather the pros become dependent on them to potentially earn a living. And thus there is no completion. This is all spectlulation and remains to be seen.
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Did you know that Adidas pay Manchester United 150 Million Dollarydoos a season to wear their kits. I wonder how much cash they give guys like MJ? Maybe they just pay him in compliments and grain alcohol.
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righteous indignation? there was no moral element to what I said. I simply explained how ridiculous it is to not look at the overall market trend and to blame individual companies during a market shift based on facts, not moral opinions. The Joey Pepper thing works the same. I'm not saying Joey did something wrong by leaving, but the idea that Expedition or Lakai did something wrong, were lazy, or any other individual blaming in the current climate is naive AT BEST, but I doubt the driver is naivety.
Are you one of those OC republicans that blame the poor for being poor, and think every rich person works hardest? You gonna vote Trump and blame "lazy mexicans" for working too hard and stealing your job? Because really, its the same logic, just brought to the skate industry.
And I swear to god, if you try to pull that "I'm part of the industry and know things you don't" shit without actually saying what you know....I won't do anything, but I also will think you are full of shit.
brwxstl or whatever his name is is either a troll or a moron, and doesn't deserve a response to his stupid failed response
you's uses big words's.
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Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we don�t get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
Looks like there'll be a follow up interview with Marc on Jenkem at some point.
I am willing to bet $100 he makes even more of a kook of himself....
Nah dude, Marc is an absolute fucking genius, he understands things on a level that the rest of us just can't... Im sure he'll sort all of this out for us in a clear, concise, level-headed fashion, I'm sure if it.
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too much business talk not enough talk about how bad MJ's recent bender was.
1 handle over 3 days?� 2 days?� narcotics too?� drinking at 7am to even out?� DUI all over the place just not getting caught?� �does beer even count as alcoholic units anymore?�
come on folks much juicier shit than business strategy.�
This is lame. Wishing substanace abuse on former addicts is dumb. MJ seeems like a jag. But I dont wish relapse on anyone.
Time to get this thread back on topic: MC (crail) vs MJ (Big Shoe Company, in MJs words).
To be fair there are a few sources on MJ drinking again. Him included.
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Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we don�t get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
Looks like there'll be a follow up interview with Marc on Jenkem at some point.
I am willing to bet $100 he makes even more of a kook of himself....
Even if he doesn't (highly unlikely), whose word are we going to take at this point in time? Carroll's or MJ's?
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The thing is Radio Shack has more in common with Adidas than Radio Shack has in common with Crailtap. Lol that even sounds funny writing that out. Radio Shack and Adidas are both household names lol. That comparison makes no sense.
So Radio Shack in their prime was like Crailtap in their prime in their respected industries? Where does Adidas fit in?
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Lol put it this way when they were filming for Mouse they probably shopped at Radio Shack.
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The Boss is all about 3's...
adidas has 3 stripes...
I ate 3 sliders for dinner...
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My guess is those investors were and are putting the squeeze on that Lakai Girl budget cause they want a return on their investment. Guys with no contracts are easy to push out, money men don't care. Prime example would be taken from Daewon's comments about the guys at DVS. Something along the lines of, he didn't know anyone and they didn't know what they were doing.
The fact that those guys can still remain relevant is something to be said. Seeing friends for so long have it out with each other in the media or on social media is pure comedy. It creates what we have here....
I would like to see this hit 30 pages by Friday.
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welp the hype is dying down. See ya everybody, back to my shitposting
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Too bad one of SLAP's all time favorite lines is Mike Carroll's opening line in Modus.
Mike Carroll & Jacob Rosenberg: The Library Line, Trick Names, Ternasky! Weekend Buzz ep. 108 pt. 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPdpcfcc6Lw#)
Mike Carroll & Jacob Rosenberg: Plan B Pressure, Fist Fight, Blind footy! Weekend Buzz ep. 108 pt. 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZJT0DevBA#)
Mike Carroll & Jacob Rosenberg: Beastie Boys, Misled Youth, Lupus! Weekend Buzz ep. 108 pt. 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogX_M7aOrc#)
411vm THEME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5vcoP8oNhw#)
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/17/mike-carroll-on-the-future-of-crailtap/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/17/mike-carroll-on-the-future-of-crailtap/)
Where's MJ's interview? Oh that's right he doesn't have one
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Brink may think that Yankee candle is cool and they should do their own thing while he tries his but it would only be comparative to skate shoes if Yankee candle saw him as a threat to their business and used their vastly superior wealth to run him out of business just to remove the competition. Nike, Adidas, etc. aren't winning because they make the best product and core brands are just fucking up or just not getting the market they created. Nike and Adidas entered the skate market by emulating the strategies that the core brands they are now trying to eliminate set years before. Not really like Radioshack...
When no real skate shoe companies exist the big brands will have little reason to do all the things that are expected of skate brands today. If they don't see tours, videos, improvements in tech, or even having a team as a legitimate way to increase revenue then they won't do it anymore. Why wold they continue doing what we've expected from all the core brands if they aren't even around anymore? They would own the market and can then make their own rules. It would not be very consumer friendly to say the least. This is a huge problem with capitalism. Its great to think anyone can make a company but if a bigger company wants to take you out they will. Buy you out, or just bully you till you quit. You could do everything right but that may just be what makes you a target. All these big mergers too, they remove options for the consumer. They want the closest thing to a monopoly they can legally get away with.
Adidas and Nike don't want to just coexist with the skate shoe brands. They want them gone. This is what was different with skate shoe brands before. No company was as disproportionately wealthier than the other like they are now. Vox and Adidas are obviously on two very different levels. Things will only get worse. Skateboarding is a small market overall. If they think they can get away with something they will try. Adidas had to of known what MJ's situation was with Lakai and yet they still thought announcing MJ was fine. Even if MJ was fine with it they shouldn't have been. But they don't care. They will buy all the old MJ stock, burn it, and laugh because they made one more nail in one more core skate shoe brand's coffin.
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I just want to know what you mean by essentially saying OG companies are going out of business because they aren't any good suddenly.
So Alien Workshop, Zero, and Girl have suddenly become poorly managed? You don't have to tell stories or take sides, but that seems like a ridiculous oversimplification of the current skateboard market.
Respect on the Nike decisions though...
It is simplified of course. But it's just common sense. You think Radio Shack is going bankrupt because they are making killer decisions and adapting to the marketplace and have the best people In place and all that stuff? No one can stay on top or in the game forever. That's not even an insult. It's really challenging. I'm starting my own little brand and who knows what kind of chaos is in store for me. Or success. Or both. I may fail more miserably than anyone has. But it'll be my fault and my fault only if I do. Not a bigger candle company's fault. I quit team sports when I was a kid after maybe 10 years because I was sick of relying on others for success ... Or blaming them for failure. I'd rather do my own thing and try it my way and take the blame for failing if I do.
Holy shit, comparing skate companies to RadioShack and Best Buy? Do you really views skate companies no differently than any other consumer brand? Do you think board companies should all view each other primarily as *competitors* to be taken out? Shouldnt that poisonous Ayn Rand capitalist mentality be alien to skateboarding? If you view Nike as Netflix to crailtap's Blockbuster and see no difference between them... well, that is tragically horrible.
Haha never said a word about Best Buy. And it was just a random example of someone I recently read was going bankrupt to illustrate what I was trying to say. Insert any brand's name that was at the top and isn't around anymore and so often it's the case. That's all. Jeez ....
I dunno why im going in on this but...they are not the same. Radio Shack had some management failures but the reason they went out of business was focusing on cell phones (product niche) and online competition (think Amazon). In effect, they went out of business primarily because the means of purchase (online v brick and mortar) changed and product niche. Lakai makes shoes and so does nike. This is not about product or different means of purchase. This is about scale, size and access to capital. The two are really not good comparisons.
Radio Shack = Crailtap
management failures = management failures = shitty product (China wood, and shitty shoes for far too long) among other things
cell phones = Trunk Boys and TY
Amazon = ebay, or SPOT or anyone else
Brick and mortar = Zumiez ? because I didn't see them helping out many small shops lately
Crail used to be huge (size) then they got in bed with Altamont (access to capital, maybe)
I think it's a close enough comparison.
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yeah he's too busy filming 10 minute video parts to sit around and talk about himself
We get it, you love MJ.
MJ loves talking about himself is the joke
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I hope that this drama plus MJ maybe drinking again inspires more bullshit content for the back 40. Remember the months of teasers for that lame ass video about the ramp keeper? SNOOZER
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I think adidas must be so pissed this is happening, they had been avoiding a fair bit of the corpo hate that Nike was the main lightning rod for and now they are right in the focus at the exact moment their first full length video is released. There will no doubt be some questions being asked at HQ.
The other thing that gets me is the the intro section of Daewon & MJ is completely out of place in a video like this. As someone else commented, either have a part or don't have them at all, intro them at the premiere maybe.
To me a full length video like this is supposed to be about a snapshot of time, this is our crew, this is what they have done in the aesthetic of our brand. Introducing riders with a token trick is like having an ad break in the middle with current colorways and RRP prices.
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They will buy all the old MJ stock, burn it, and laugh because they made one more nail in one more core skate shoe brand's coffin.
Bingo that is what will happen...Unless the skate shops act viciously with these rumors of the annual 10k contract...skate shops have to shut em out, then the corpos will go online and it all depends on if the consumers bite that shit...if the sponsored pro's support it then we're fucked.
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Carroll is a legend and probably my favorite skater of all time. He's usually a great interview, and he cut straight to the chase here. What MJ did is beyond shady if MC is to be believed. I wonder where MJ will land or if he'll start his own thing, I don't think there is any chance he goes to a dwindle brand. Personally, I think it would be hilarious if he ended up on a board brand owned by a corporation, such as Element. Realistically, I could easily see him on Krooked, considering he rides for other DLX brands. But man, Crailtap is just losing riders at an insane rate, and haven't put anyone on outside of Jerry. BA, Olson, Gino, Koston, Guy, and MJ all in 3 year span. Starting to wonder how long Kenny Anderson and Jerry stick around.
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I think adidas must be so pissed this is happening, they had been avoiding a fair bit of the corpo hate that Nike was the main lightning rod for and now they are right in the focus at the exact moment their first full length video is released. There will no doubt be some questions being asked at HQ.
The other thing that gets me is the the intro section of Daewon & MJ is completely out of place in a video like this. As someone else commented, either have a part or don't have them at all, intro them at the premiere maybe.
To me a full length video like this is supposed to be about a snapshot of time, this is our crew, this is what they have done in the aesthetic of our brand. Introducing riders with a token trick is like having an ad break in the middle with current colorways and RRP prices.
The fact that the section was titled "Introducing..." really gave it a web-clip vibe.
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Had to get my two cents in as well... With all the info we have now, it seems like MJ has fucked up big time. Although wasn't Guy's last shoe also rebranded as a team model after he left? Did he stick Lakai as well? Speaking generally though, I think Crail's situation was really well described by Pontus in his "last interview". Long quote but worth reading:
What about the company cycle. Like how Powell was hot then they became not hot, H-Street and World came and were hot, then they both burned out, then Girl and Stereo came and so on. That cycle from this amazing creative seed blossoming into a business and then eventually it becomes a mall brand seems to be inevitable. Will Polar be the same?
Its an evil circle I can tell you that much. Its always the same. It starts like, Hey, theres this cool new brand. Its small. Its underground. Its run by these cool guys and we love it because we cant get a hold of it. Like when World (Industries) first started it was exactly like that. And then all of a sudden theres all this demand and then that brings hype and then slowly the companies get their shit together. They get their business model together, the production, the distribution, and everything. And then, of course, when a companies growing, the companys costs are also growing so its like, Oh shit, now we have to widen our distribution channels to make enough money to supply the riders, team, video production, ads, and all of those things that you have to do. And then all of a sudden people look at it and are like, Well, its kind of big now. I dont know. Its not cool anymore. And then all of the sudden they lose some of that support and all of a sudden its like, Well, we dont have the core support anymore but we have this massive company with all these bills. So you widen the channels more and more and more.
Until you get to Flameboy territory.
(Laughs.) Yeah. So theres always that balance; you have to keep it small and tightnot blow it out but at the same time you have to some how keep it sustainable. Because small and tight is not really sustainable for very long. Eventually you have to pay the team. Eventually you have to pay your artists. Eventually you have to pay for the music in the videos. Eventually you have to pay the filmer. Thats when it gets tricky.
At the end of the day too, skateboarding is a youth culture rebellion thing too. The new kids coming in want to knock over what the older people before them built.
Yeah. Its all inevitable. Its a challenge. Now weve been around for almost four years and people are still excited about what we do. Thats great. But its a challenge to be able to keep going without becoming stale. The real trickwhen people know your next move, when people know what youre going to dothen youre dead. People will have no interest in it anymore because they can calculate every move this or that brand is going to do. Its not exciting that way. Its about how good of a chess player you are and how much you can surprise people.
I thought (Alien) Workshop was a good example of that. It just had the best possible roots and creative vibe, artwork, everything, and slowly even that became formulaic and kids dont feel it the way we did when we saw Memory Screen (1991).
Yeah. Exactly. You become kind of like a prisoner of your own art. Like, I created this thing and people love it. Now Im stuck with it. You have to sort of paint the same painting for the rest of your life. You almost have to kill your own art to move on, but the next thing you do might not necessarily be received as well as the first idea was.
If you got to that point with Polar, where you knew that you either had to start shrinking it to keep it authentic and exciting or just let it become blown outwould you kill your own art so to speak?
I dont know. I think for me I do this company for the main reason that I want it to be relative in the skateboard culture. When kids start to feel like were not doing cool shit and theyre not hyped on it then Im not hyped on it. I definitely dont want to do this just because its a job and I need to pay the bills. Just putting a bunch of graphics on a board and shipping it out and thats it. I dont want it to just be a big machine. I still want people every time they watch a video we have made to be like, Whoa, that was something else. We havent seen that before. But of course, there is a limit to how much one person can do. Theres a limit to how much one artist can do. As far as the riders too, theres a limit to how much effect they can have. After a certain number of video parts its hard to keep making exciting new ones. But I think ten years is a good life span for a company. I think after that its time for other people with fresh ideas and fresh energy to take over. I think its a natural cycle. Its like the music industry or any other culture where there is a mix of creativity and business. There is a time for new people with young ideas to come in and be the new pioneers shaping the future of skateboarding. I accept that. I grew up in skateboarding and Ive seen those cycles. Im not planning on holding on to this just because. If I feel like our shit is old and I cant be relative, then thats it. Id rather shut down the company than wash it out.
The whole interview is worth a read I think. What's most interesting to me is how Polar exists largely because of corporate shoe money, but at the same time, embodies so much of what everyone thinks of as the spirit of "core skateboarding" (whatever that is). So few actual brands in skateboarding have stayed in business for a long time and remain as popular today as they ever were. Vans, Independent, Spitfire... anything else? It might be unrealistic to expect companies, regardless of how popular or legendary, to be permanent fixtures. "Skate and Destroy", "Skateboarding doesn't owe you shit. It owes you wheelbite in the rain. You owe skateboarding" doo doo doo. Girl's demise means space for Polar/Palace/FA/Welcome etc to succeed. Nike and Adidas will be uncool again too as they inevitably continue to blow themselves out... it's the evil circle.
The big corporations have definitely eaten Crailtap's lunch and it'd be stupid to believe otherwise. They've also been unlucky losing riders for various reasons... Malto hasn't had nearly as much coverage since his injury, Mike Mo is still recovering from his (and both those guys should have been "the next ones" for Girl), Olson/BA did their own things, Karsten and lots of others "of" Lakai. But I think it's also safe to say that Mike and Rickk haven't been the best "chess players" (as Pontus uses the term). Did Royal ever actually need to exist? Did Girl/Fourstar ever really do anything to fight their reputation for poor quality or offer bigger/steeper concaved boards? Hasn't the world seen enough Girl logo boards/Chocolate script logo boards? Was their video direction overdone and financially unsustainable (especially given how amazing the "crew" videos have been recently: Dime, GX1000, Sabotage, Static etc)? Weren't there other people worthy of a board since CK1?
Tl;dr = It sucks to see Crailtap (and MJ) go out like this but nothing lasts forever and we both know hearts can change
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I feel no pity for Crailtap, a company that invested actual money and produced product for the Trunk Boyz. Let's read those two words again - Trunk Boyz. Something you would associate with Metal Mulisha.
Pretty Sweet was and I stand by this, one of the worst skate videos I have even seen.
MC should have stayed silent instead of bitching about this on Jenkem.com. Are kidding me Mike? Fuckin sit down with Marc and Rick at some coffee shop and talk about it like men and homies.
Scott Johnston left the Lakai art department for Adidas. I'm bummed that MJ got kicked off Chocolate like this. I'm officially done caring about Crailtap, no, I was done with Crailtap after Pretty Sweet.
What about all of the other shit with this company in recent years. Why stop here Mike, reveal more, all of the other bullshit. You call Karsten a kook, you know what some kooky shit is, running a company that sets such high expectations that no one can live up to. Being on Girl or Chocolate is mecca, it's god like, get the fuck out of here.
I grew up watching mouse and Chocolate Tour, I watched those tapes over and over. I was actually happy and content in my own life that Marc Johnson was with Chocolate, I know that seems weird, but cosmically MJ on Chocolate was harmony.
Bye Crailtap, you're unrealistic goals and super star skateboarders and paycuts and other industry bullshit is insignificant to just getting on your board and having a good day.
Maybe I'm biased to Marc, he's always been my favorite skateboarder.
apparently he tried to but mj wouldn't answer the phone. also, that thing with cons having skatestopped ledges at their hq's...fucking pityfull. this alone should be a reason for every skater to not buy cons again. fucking sellout pussies
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We could probably condense this thread to 4 pages max if people actually read, and understood, the Jenkem interview
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We could probably condense this thread to 4 pages max if people actually read, and understood, the Jenkem interview
Same could be said for most 10+ pagers if Gip never got involved
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Thread is done.
Brink, always a pleasure. As for the all of the lurking industry heads, dust has cleared, go crunch some numbers or something.
On a more important note, California Primary June 7th.
Invisible Limits - Love Will Tear Us Apart (Joy Division Cover) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmUikfHk6JI#)
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Brink may think that Yankee candle is cool and they should do their own thing while he tries his but it would only be comparative to skate shoes if Yankee candle saw him as a threat to their business and used their vastly superior wealth to run him out of business just to remove the competition. Nike, Adidas, etc. aren't winning because they make the best product and core brands are just fucking up or just not getting the market they created. Nike and Adidas entered the skate market by emulating the strategies that the core brands they are now trying to eliminate set years before. Not really like Radioshack...
When no real skate shoe companies exist the big brands will have little reason to do all the things that are expected of skate brands today. If they don't see tours, videos, improvements in tech, or even having a team as a legitimate way to increase revenue then they won't do it anymore. Why wold they continue doing what we've expected from all the core brands if they aren't even around anymore? They would own the market and can then make their own rules. It would not be very consumer friendly to say the least. This is a huge problem with capitalism. Its great to think anyone can make a company but if a bigger company wants to take you out they will. Buy you out, or just bully you till you quit. You could do everything right but that may just be what makes you a target. All these big mergers too, they remove options for the consumer. They want the closest thing to a monopoly they can legally get away with.
Adidas and Nike don't want to just coexist with the skate shoe brands. They want them gone. This is what was different with skate shoe brands before. No company was as disproportionately wealthier than the other like they are now. Vox and Adidas are obviously on two very different levels. Things will only get worse. Skateboarding is a small market overall. If they think they can get away with something they will try. Adidas had to of known what MJ's situation was with Lakai and yet they still thought announcing MJ was fine. Even if MJ was fine with it they shouldn't have been. But they don't care. They will buy all the old MJ stock, burn it, and laugh because they made one more nail in one more core skate shoe brand's coffin.
Nailed it. The sporting brands will eventually homogenise skateboarding like every other mainstream sport. It makes their marketing budget go further and it makes it easier to market to non-participant consumers; the real end-goal...
Anyone who thinks sporting goods brands won't make hardware needs to talk to the guys at TaylorMade...
Our challenge is to deal with these guys but force them to promote individuality rather than jock/pack mentality...
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what has rob brink ever done to progress skateboarding? would you take gary rodgers opinion seriously?
Rob Brink is a tourist. A lame, media tourist who rides real skateboarders as if they were just a commodity and not a person.
Yo brink! I will never pay attention to anything you do, or purchase any of the things you represent. Sorry Tony.
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Damn.
Carroll's interview got me so fucking hyped to skate. After "fun" montages, no complies, 90's gear, cuffed dickies with chucks, murdered lobsters, it finally feels like something is happening. I see good things outta this. Fuck it. Let the older dudes get paid, let MJ get called out for a shady move. Big Money and small companies. I support the latter.
Also, Al Davis on chocolate would be fucking rad.
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Radio Shack was tight when they carried real products... stuff that was hard to find like resistors, connectors, and relays. It was real niche.
It went to shit when they turned into a cel phone and generic electronics store.
Now i do what everyone else does thats wants or needs niche products. Shop online.
Shame though.. i really liked going there and looking for whatever i needed. There is a similarity in skateshops these days.
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Rick tweeted this:
(http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?action=dlattach&topic=91029.0&attach=12978&image)
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lakai should get a rider with the MJ initials and sell those MJ's as being his introductionary pro model shoe.
but who?
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lakai should get a rider with the MJ initials and sell those MJ's as being his introductionary pro model shoe.
but who?
or they could wait another 3 years to release the shoes, put some glitter shit on them and sell them as michael jackson tribute shoes.
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Rick tweeted this:
Oh he's one of them? A shame.
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I completely agree with the Pontus interview quotes. I think the sports shoe brands are just taking advantage of how stale the skate footwear market is. Look at all the terrible skate footwear brands- Osiris, Circa, DVS, Etnies, Globe, Fallen- how the fuck have any of these stale ass brands remained in existence? It's sad that their demise means people of jobs and without sponsors but really even by existing they are clogging the marketplace with garbage. Of course customers are going to choose Nike or Adidas if the alternate choice is Osiris or DVS.
If the skateboarding industry wants to curtail the spread of Adidas and Nike, the easiest way to do so would be to start some new cool footwear brands to put some fresh energy into what is an essentially haggard marketplace.
Vans and Emerica get a pass obviously.
This saga is doing bad things to my eyes. Last night I read pages 1-14 and tonight 14-23.
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lakai should get a rider with the MJ initials and sell those MJ's as being his introductionary pro model shoe.
but who?
pffft Michael Jordan obviously, take that corpo shoe megacorps.
But seriously i've been saying it for a while, crailtap has been top heavy for a minute, look at the guys they have lost, koston, BA, Guy, GINO, MJ are all pushing 40. Ironically AO is probably their biggest loss, as he was more in his prime and actually connected to the skateboard buying demographic. The fact Malto and Mo both got serious fucked up just made it worse in losing the street league and botb kids.
Guy and MJ were still producing, but when 2/3 or 3/4 of your crew is close to or over 40 its no surprise the kids aren't connecting. If anything it is probably loyalty to a fault.
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Rick tweeted this:
Well we know who one of those 100+ guests browsing this topic was
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lakai should get a rider with the MJ initials and sell those MJ's as being his introductionary pro model shoe.
but who?
Mick Jensen
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damn 14 pages of catching up and the only notable thing is that jenkem man had coffee with marc
lakai mj's on amazon for as low as $13 yesterday
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Had to get my two cents in as well... With all the info we have now, it seems like MJ has fucked up big time. Although wasn't Guy's last shoe also rebranded as a team model after he left? Did he stick Lakai as well? Speaking generally though, I think Crail's situation was really well described by Pontus in his "last interview". Long quote but worth reading:
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What about the company cycle. Like how Powell was hot then they became not hot, H-Street and World came and were hot, then they both burned out, then Girl and Stereo came and so on. That cycle from this amazing creative seed blossoming into a business and then eventually it becomes a mall brand seems to be inevitable. Will Polar be the same?
It�s an evil circle I can tell you that much. It�s always the same. It starts like, �Hey, there�s this cool new brand. It�s small. It�s underground. It�s run by these cool guys and we love it because we can�t get a hold of it.� Like when World (Industries) first started it was exactly like that. And then all of a sudden there�s all this demand and then that brings hype and then slowly the companies get their shit together. They get their business model together, the production, the distribution, and everything. And then, of course, when a companies growing, the company�s costs are also growing so it�s like, �Oh shit, now we have to widen our distribution channels to make enough money to supply the riders, team, video production, ads, and all of those things that you have to do. And then all of a sudden people look at it and are like, �Well, it�s kind of big now. I don�t know. It�s not cool anymore.� And then all of the sudden they lose some of that support and all of a sudden it�s like, �Well, we don�t have the core support anymore but we have this massive company with all these bills.� So you widen the channels more and more and more.
Until you get to Flameboy territory.
(Laughs.) Yeah. So there�s always that balance; you have to keep it small and tight�not blow it out but at the same time you have to some how keep it sustainable. Because small and tight is not really sustainable for very long. Eventually you have to pay the team. Eventually you have to pay your artists. Eventually you have to pay for the music in the videos. Eventually you have to pay the filmer. That�s when it gets tricky.
At the end of the day too, skateboarding is a youth culture rebellion thing too. The new kids coming in want to knock over what the older people before them built.
Yeah. It�s all inevitable. It�s a challenge. Now we�ve been around for almost four years and people are still excited about what we do. That�s great. But it�s a challenge to be able to keep going without becoming stale. The real trick�when people know your next move, when people know what you�re going to do�then you�re dead. People will have no interest in it anymore because they can calculate every move this or that brand is going to do. It�s not exciting that way. It�s about how good of a chess player you are and how much you can surprise people.
I thought (Alien) Workshop was a good example of that. It just had the best possible roots and creative vibe, artwork, everything, and slowly even that became formulaic and kids don�t feel it the way we did when we saw Memory Screen (1991).
Yeah. Exactly. You become kind of like a prisoner of your own art. Like, �I created this thing and people love it. Now I�m stuck with it.� You have to sort of paint the same painting for the rest of your life. You almost have to kill your own art to move on, but the next thing you do might not necessarily be received as well as the first idea was.
If you got to that point with Polar, where you knew that you either had to start shrinking it to keep it authentic and exciting or just let it become blown out�would you kill your own art so to speak?
I don�t know. I think for me I do this company for the main reason that I want it to be relative in the skateboard culture. When kids start to feel like we�re not doing cool shit and they�re not hyped on it then I�m not hyped on it. I definitely don�t want to do this just because it�s a job and I need to pay the bills. Just putting a bunch of graphics on a board and shipping it out and that�s it. I don�t want it to just be a big machine. I still want people every time they watch a video we have made to be like, �Whoa, that was something else. We haven�t seen that before.� But of course, there is a limit to how much one person can do. There�s a limit to how much one artist can do. As far as the riders too, there�s a limit to how much effect they can have. After a certain number of video parts it�s hard to keep making exciting new ones. But I think ten years is a good life span for a company. I think after that it�s time for other people with fresh ideas and fresh energy to take over. I think it�s a natural cycle. It�s like the music industry or any other culture where there is a mix of creativity and business. There is a time for new people with young ideas to come in and be the new pioneers shaping the future of skateboarding. I accept that. I grew up in skateboarding and I�ve seen those cycles. I�m not planning on holding on to this just because. If I feel like our shit is old and I can�t be relative, then that�s it. I�d rather shut down the company than wash it out.
The whole interview is worth a read I think. What's most interesting to me is how Polar exists largely because of corporate shoe money, but at the same time, embodies so much of what everyone thinks of as the spirit of "core skateboarding" (whatever that is). So few actual brands in skateboarding have stayed in business for a long time and remain as popular today as they ever were. Vans, Independent, Spitfire... anything else? It might be unrealistic to expect companies, regardless of how popular or legendary, to be permanent fixtures. "Skate and Destroy", "Skateboarding doesn't owe you shit. It owes you wheelbite in the rain. You owe skateboarding" doo doo doo. Girl's demise means space for Polar/Palace/FA/Welcome etc to succeed. Nike and Adidas will be uncool again too as they inevitably continue to blow themselves out... it's the evil circle.�
The big corporations have definitely eaten Crailtap's lunch and it'd be stupid to believe otherwise. They've also been unlucky losing riders for various reasons... Malto hasn't had nearly as much coverage since his injury, Mike Mo is still recovering from his (and both those guys should have been "the next ones" for Girl), Olson/BA did their own things, Karsten and lots of others "of" Lakai. But I think it's also safe to say that Mike and Rickk haven't been the best "chess players" (as Pontus uses the term). Did Royal ever actually need to exist? Did Girl/Fourstar ever really do anything to fight their reputation for poor quality or offer bigger/steeper concaved boards? Hasn't the world seen enough Girl logo boards/Chocolate script logo boards? Was their video direction overdone and financially unsustainable (especially given how amazing the "crew" videos have been recently: Dime, GX1000, Sabotage, Static etc)? Weren't there other people worthy of a board since CK1?
Tl;dr = It sucks to see Crailtap (and MJ) go out like this but nothing lasts forever and we both know hearts can change
the name polar is an abbreviation for polarise - polar was created by mike and abibas in order to polarise the skate industry and close down smaller brands
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
They really prefaced the shit out of that interview. "...consider where both these legends of skateboarding are coming from. Their perspectives just may have you singing a different tune."
DON'T YOU DARE BE MEAN DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?
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what a complete waste of 8 minutes. absolutely no information in that video at all
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
'Guys sorry but we left our high school sweethearts for these smoking hot models, but don't know them so you wouldn't understand!'
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
'Guys sorry but we left our high school sweethearts for these smoking hot models, but don't know them so you wouldn't understand!'
Bummer to see Marc is drinking again.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
'Guys sorry but we left our high school sweethearts for these smoking hot models, but don't know them so you wouldn't understand!'
:D SO ACCURATE!
I shouldn't judge a book by its cover but MJ's face/behaviour look like an alcoholic/addict face (kinda remind me of my uncle).
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The only one who really explained anything was Daewon, and as mentioned numerous times nobody is really mad that he switched.
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Yeah MJ is definitely back to using something...yikes
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
"Everyone Is Now Dumber" - Billy Madison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c#)
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I could picture an adidas rep behind the camera while they were filming that giving them thumbs up's to show approval or thumbs down's to show disapproval after everything they said.
If we see a brand new expensive ass fun box or hubba installed at the berrics in a week with an adidas decal printed on it, we now know why.
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So glad they finally found a sponsor progressive enough for their avant-garde projects. Can't wait to see it.
This fine line of doublespeak from Daewon pretty much sums it up:
'I did it for me, no selfish reasons.'
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
that's... how magazine ads... work?
skateboarding has been run on 'idol worship' since forever. that's why companies release videos, put ads out, send dudes on tours. the entire concept of sponsoring a team is based on this 'athlete-company relationship' model. we share that with corporate, big sport sponsorship ventures. sure it's 'core-er', and deals sometimes happen in handshakes rather than contracts (which is ridiculous but hey), but it's the same thing.
that's why crailtap held up these older dudes with less footy (and guy), because they'd built up such a status from their pasts that they could sell boards/shoes/tshirts with less coverage (obviously not enough).
skateboarding is a business. sure, the guys behind these companies look out for the state of our hobby and support it, but they need money and they make it sponsoring younger men who do incredible and dangerous feats that wow us and push us to buy their product.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
They both sounded exactly like my crazy uncle when he became a born again christian.
toward the tail end of that I think the drugs really kicked in for Marc. he sounded exactly like this -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcRJ_HCWWTw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcRJ_HCWWTw#)
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
I find it amazing that pro skateboarders don't understand that they are supported by the ones that follow them. I'm sure there are a lot of unsubstantiated critiques and hate. That's the nature of the internet. But to just write all of it off as uninformed noise is pure denial.
Pro skaters are selling their image and all of the brands associated with that image to the public. The public has every right to have an opinion on it. All those social media comments and forum posts is free market research. You're fucking tapped in directly to your consumers and fan base. You can fight it, you can ignore it, you can reason with it, you can do whatever. It's amazing what some pro skaters choose to do with that feedback.
I liked MJ's image for a long time, but this transition has really changed that for me. Sure MC is guilty of calling MJ out in the Jenkem interview. And MJ is guilty of trashing Lakai in that "raw" interview. It's a shame MJ had to go out like that. To me, MJ looks great on a skateboard, but he comes off as an annoying bitch. I suppose he's always been like that, and it was an entertaining spectacle. But that's really lame to trash the guys that have had your back and supported you for 15 years.
I've quit jobs before. And you don't quit a company cause you love it. But regardless, I left respectfully and never trashed talked them when I was asked by other firms why I was leaving. And I can confidently say that I was never as close to my boss as MJ was.
For the record, I have no problems with Daewon or Adidas.
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Yeah MJ is definitely back to using something...yikes
I hope not...otherwise its more than likely that we'll see him like this again.
(http://skateboarding.ru/video/img43_178.JPG)
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"Progressive projects."
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Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I would grow to dislike Marc Johnson AND Eric Koston
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.�
skateboarding has been run on 'idol worship' since forever. that's why companies release videos, put ads out, send dudes on tours. the entire concept of sponsoring a team is based on this 'athlete-company relationship' model. we share that with corporate, big sport sponsorship ventures. sure it's 'core-er', and deals sometimes happen in handshakes rather than contracts (which is ridiculous but hey), but it's the same thing.
that's why crailtap held up these older dudes with less footy (and guy), because they'd built up such a status from their pasts that they could sell boards/shoes/tshirts with less coverage (obviously not enough).
skateboarding is a business. sure, the guys behind these companies look out for the state of our hobby and support it, but they need money and they make it sponsoring younger men who do incredible and dangerous feats that wow us and push us to buy their product.
I believe in having skateboard idols. But I don't believe it's our responsibility to worry about their welfare, and I don't judge them for what life decisions they make. That's up to them. I think of skateboarding as a whole, not in terms of individual pros. The more that power and influence becomes concentrated in the hands of a few large companies, the staler skateboarding will get. One of the major engines of evolution in skateboarding has been its chaotic and unpredictable culture, in addition to the act of skating itself. Take that away and what you're left with is a cultureless and soulless "sport" whose image is controlled for mass consumption. And for most of its history, skaters have understood skateboarding is something you pursue at your own risk and without expectation of any financial reward. Money and being admired were bonuses for people who were good at it.
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"Progressive projects."
If his "progressive projects" are anything like the backforty, it's gonna be bland, not really fun, trying too hard but in no way progressive, and I'd understand why Lakai didn't listen to his progressive propositions...
Somebody should do a gif from 7.03 to 7.05 when MJ does the doodoodoo thing...
It's pathetic... The company your working with is strugglin' and you make fun of its economical difficulties? A class act
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For the record, I have no problems with Daewon or Adidas.
they repeatedly tried to poach a rider and then when it finally succeeded they announced him while he was still under contract with lakai and stuck lakai with a ton of unmarketable product. fuck adidas. i can't believe marc is really buying that we want to support all generations thing and not seeing that it is just a way to buy a legacy they weren't actually around for.
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For the record, I have no problems with Daewon or Adidas.
they repeatedly tried to poach a rider and then when it finally succeeded they announced him while he was still under contract with lakai and stuck lakai with a ton of unmarketable product. fuck adidas. i can't believe marc is really buying that we want to support all generations thing and not seeing that it is just a way to buy a legacy they weren't actually around for.
At this point the only thing MJ is buying is alcohol and maybe drugs (or at least that's what my uncle would do with adidas money).
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That video of them being interviewed reeked of Berrics style seriousness. Darwin deserves to stack as much money as possible, he's probably the most unproblematic fave of all time. Never in the ten years I've been skating have I ever seen someone irl skating in DVSs, not even when Skatemore came out. Marc on the other hand looks strung out
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before all attention leaves this thread.
Lakai - please follow the format of Traffic - Moving in Traffic and put out a video with the only full parts being Carroll and Howard(or even just one full part shared of them skating downtown LA together), with everyone else sprinkled in a montage-middle. have Meza edit it. please make hard copies.
something with the vibe of this
Crailtap - A Nice Little Wednesday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwHNoam4_VI#)
Chocolate: Please do something similar with Kenny Anderson and Jerry...with a Yonnie part in the middle.
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Darwin deserves to stack as much money as possible, he's probably the most unproblematic fave of all time.
unproblematic? don't forget that Jenkem interview with those effin creationists claiming Darwin was such a dickweed before he bounced for the Galapagos.
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/91f11f02d9961f1c26969ace329c2203/tumblr_mksol9K87c1qayk6mo1_500.gif)
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
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Wow, Marc really does not look good. That's pretty fucked. Genuinely looks to be in the tail end of a serious bender and/or very ill. Brutal. Made me uncomfortable to see him like that. Carroll wasn't lying when he said he was going through some "personal issues".
Obviously what MJ did is fucked, but after seeing that video I kind of feel bad for him. He looks like he's in need of some serious help. Unstable/relapsed + so much public hate + a huge bump in pay could turn out to be deadly for someone in his position? Yikes.
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Pro skaters are selling their image and all of the brands associated with that image to the public. The public has every right to have an opinion on it. All those social media comments and forum posts is free market research. You're fucking tapped in directly to your consumers and fan base. You can fight it, you can ignore it, you can reason with it, you can do whatever. It's amazing what some pro skaters choose to do with that feedback.
I liked MJ's image for a long time, but this transition has really changed that for me. Sure MC is guilty of calling MJ out in the Jenkem interview. And MJ is guilty of trashing Lakai in that "raw" interview. It's a shame MJ had to go out like that. To me, MJ looks great on a skateboard, but he comes off as an annoying bitch. I suppose he's always been like that, and it was an entertaining spectacle. But that's really lame to trash the guys that have had your back and supported you for 15 years.
I've quit jobs before. And you don't quit a company cause you love it. But regardless, I left respectfully and never trashed talked them when I was asked by other firms why I was leaving. And I can confidently say that I was never as close to my boss as MJ was.
For the record, I have no problems with Daewon or Adidas.
Nope, pros tell their fans what to think, and if the fans try to complain, just remember, those fans aren't part of the industry! They don't know what goes on behind the scenes! They need to buy what the industry tells them and shut the fuck up, because despite representing 100% of the market, their opinions don't count.
Brink and Sinclair know this, why can't the rest of you fucking idiots get that through your heads?!?!
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the� problem with Michael Jordan?
His dad was murdered in the mid 90's and he (obviously) took it very hard.
Other than that he seems to have had a pretty great life?
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If it were Nike.....MJ and Carroll would get a pass.....
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
Hitler mustache.
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
Magic Johnson...
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
(http://static.highsnobiety.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/05210756/crying-jordan-photographer-viral-meme-00.jpg)
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/18/photo-recap-adidas-away-days-nyc-premiere/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/18/photo-recap-adidas-away-days-nyc-premiere/)
Marc was at the premiere, which was awesome and unexpected because I feel like we don�t get to see him much outside of California. I met up with him at a Starbucks in Midtown for coffee earlier in the day to catch up on things and also give him a heads up on the Carroll interview that was coming out. Of course, we talked for a while and we are still talking about getting his voice and other viewpoints out there.
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Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I would grow to dislike Marc Johnson AND Eric Koston
This...sigh.
Also: how much is Adidas paying TSM for these fucking things?! That latest video was ridiculously inane, such a blatant commercial. Apparently "the Raw Interview" means "neither said anything worthwhile, so we couldn't even edit it into something worth watching so fuck it".
Also also: MJ has such hatred for the broader skate-buying community...no wonder it's being returned now. Quite the contrast with Daewon's overwhelming positivity and generous attitude toward his fans, and how that's reflected in a general positive response to his move.
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
Ask Chamillionaire
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Wow, Marc really does not look good. That's pretty fucked. Genuinely looks to be in the tail end of a serious bender and/or very ill. Brutal. Made me uncomfortable to see him like that. Carroll wasn't lying when he said he was going through some "personal issues".
Obviously what MJ did is fucked, but after seeing that video I kind of feel bad for him. He looks like he's in need of some serious help. Unstable/relapsed + so much public hate + a huge bump in pay could turn out to be deadly for someone in his position? Yikes.
Maybe he shouldn't have another drink or blow another line.
Maybe he should learn to fucking think and grow a fucking spine.
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Wow, Marc really does not look good. That's pretty fucked. Genuinely looks to be in the tail end of a serious bender and/or very ill. Brutal. Made me uncomfortable to see him like that. Carroll wasn't lying when he said he was going through some "personal issues".
Obviously what MJ did is fucked, but after seeing that video I kind of feel bad for him. He looks like he's in need of some serious help. Unstable/relapsed + so much public hate + a huge bump in pay could turn out to be deadly for someone in his position? Yikes.
Maybe he should learn to fucking think and grow a fucking spine.
Hahahaha!
Bingo. ;)
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For the record, I have no problems with Daewon or Adidas.
they repeatedly tried to poach a rider and then when it finally succeeded they announced him while he was still under contract with lakai and stuck lakai with a ton of unmarketable product. fuck adidas. i can't believe marc is really buying that we want to support all generations thing and not seeing that it is just a way to buy a legacy they weren't actually around for.
I have a feeling that Marc is responsible for the shit show we're witnessing now. Sure Adidas probably strong armed him with money, but every individual is responsible for their own decisions. Marc was aware of how it was gonna go down. I'm sure he understood his terms with Adidas and I'm sure he understood his terms with Lakai. He took the selfish way out and turned his back on his former employer to satisfy his wants.
I hope Marc is ok, but it looks like he is not in a good state of mind. Hopefully he has close ones that can get him help if he needs it.
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Certainly in time people will want to see more Marc footage..
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with the berrics merger, the adidas corpo pr statement, and now a dae & mj filibuster video, i'd say boycott the skateboard mag, but no one cares about them anyway.
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TSM is wack and their
coverage PR statements stink like Dove Mens products.
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
You're arguing from ignorance, shifting the burden of proof, and your claim takes moral high ground as if consumerism was based on a set of morals. Just because a person is wearing Janoskis doesn't mean they're a sap. Some of the people who wear them are definitely victims (as you'd say) to marketing, but others just like the shoe and want quality for their money.
Also, I have no clue wtf point you're trying to make with that last sentence, bud.
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its really not that complicated - marc johnson is an alcoholic
he does shady things, thats part of the deal
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wait, do people realize that TSM video is just the raw video of their statements that have already been in print, right? This is not a new/different vid.
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If it were Nike.....MJ and Carroll would get a pass.....
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
marc's attempts at justifying his hypocrisy in the face of all this criticism are cringe-worthy.
like his 'you deserve it' comments to daewon, seemed like he was fishing for dae to say the same about him
dude is a mess, and even though he's trying to hide it by being boisterous and trying to come across as excited about all this, you can see it in his eyes.
he knows he fucked up, and now he's worried about how he's going to remedy this situation, and judging by that clip, he's got nothing and will spend the next while fabricating some bullshit along with some Adidas PR spin doctors.
In many people's eyes, though he'll always be considered among the best, he just fucked his reputation for good.
sure, we'll all be looking forward to watching the guy skate... but i think this whole affair will be following dude around for the rest of his career.
and yeah rick, i'm an anonymous internet person making comments about some bullshit... i really don't see how or why you'd insinuate that this is a problem.
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
Ask Chamillionaire
Ask N.O.R.E
michael jordan said fuck rap at a def jam party. Actually thats pretty funny
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/03/nore-michael-jordan-dissed-rappers (http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/03/nore-michael-jordan-dissed-rappers)
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"You guys know this much and your opinion also counts for this much. Please buy my shoe, it's a good thing." -MJ
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The greatest trick the Industry ever pulled was convincing the world to support skater-owned.
Why do we prefer to be fucked over by our own?
Who made it up? Rocco? H-street?
How come a rider who quits a sponsor is a bigger let down to our community than it was when that company moved production to China?
Why does it matter where boards are produced?
Etc...
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
Does alcoholism cause the meth mouth thing? Hope MJ is okay and/or gets help if he needs it.
I agree that the video was a little hard to watch.
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and yeah rick, i'm an anonymous internet person making comments about some bullshit... i really don't see how or why you'd insinuate that this is a problem.
because voiced opinions in the industry are tightly controlled, while the anonymity of slap eludes their suppression of speech.
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The greatest trick the Industry ever pulled was convincing the world to support skater-owned.
Why do we prefer to be fucked over by our own?
Who made it up? Rocco? H-street?
How come a rider who quits a sponsor is a bigger let down to our community than it was when that company moved production to China?
Why does it matter where boards are produced?
Etc...
There's a lot of reasons to support skater owned. What most young kids see in skateboarding is from the companies/videos they see, and if those are controlled by nike with a "just do it" campaign and emphasis on street league the culture of skateboarding would change vastly. You're an idiot for not realizing this.
Skateboarding in my eyes has always been a physical activity, but more of an art form and culture combined. If corporations decide that this idea is not profitable enough and push it toward the competitive side there will be a lot of unwanted changes in the industry.
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with the berrics merger, the adidas corpo pr statement, and now a dae & mj filibuster video, i'd say boycott the skateboard mag, but no one cares about them anyway.
Do you know what a filibuster is?
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.�
You're arguing from ignorance, shifting the burden of proof, and your claim takes moral high ground as if consumerism was based on a set of morals. Just because a person is wearing Janoskis doesn't mean they're a sap. Some of the people who wear them are definitely victims (as you'd say) to marketing, but others just like the shoe and want quality for their money.
Also, I have no clue wtf point you're trying to make with that last sentence, bud.
your post doesn't make sense to me. but I do take issue with the moralizing part. I'm not that worried about the moral aspect of this. I'm thinking of what skateboarding will look like in the future. if big companies have cornered the market, it will be like other sports where it's pure athletic spectacle designed to draw crowds and make money and nothing more. if it remains in skaters' hands, it will be whatever it wants to be. I'm not saying skaters are angels or that skater-owned companies are really nice employers.
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New Carroll footage here
Girl & Chocolate in Mexico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VhUdDJWO9U#)
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The greatest trick the Industry ever pulled was convincing the world to support skater-owned.
Why do we prefer to be fucked over by our own?
Who made it up? Rocco? H-street?
How come a rider who quits a sponsor is a bigger let down to our community than it was when that company moved production to China?
Why does it matter where boards are produced?
Etc...
There's a lot of reasons to support skater owned. What most young kids see in skateboarding is from the companies/videos they see, and if those are controlled by nike with a "just do it" campaign and emphasis on street league the culture of skateboarding would change vastly. You're an idiot for not realizing this.
Skateboarding in my eyes has always been a physical activity, but more of an art form and culture combined. If corporations decide that this idea is not profitable enough and push it toward the competitive side there will be a lot of unwanted changes in the industry.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
(http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1F.mkIXXXXXcVXpXXq6xXFXXXl/8-Color-Baby-Led-Shoe-Children-Shoes-With-Light-Up-Sneakers-For-Boys-Girls-Glow-Luminous.jpg)
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That MC backlip was too tight! Manchild got some good steez. Good to see McCrank also!
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The greatest trick the Industry ever pulled was convincing the world to support skater-owned.
Why do we prefer to be fucked over by our own?
Who made it up? Rocco? H-street?
How come a rider who quits a sponsor is a bigger let down to our community than it was when that company moved production to China?
Why does it matter where boards are produced?
Etc...
There's a lot of reasons to support skater owned. What most young kids see in skateboarding is from the companies/videos they see, and if those are controlled by nike with a "just do it" campaign and emphasis on street league the culture of skateboarding would change vastly. You're an idiot for not realizing this.
Skateboarding in my eyes has always been a physical activity, but more of an art form and culture combined. If corporations decide that this idea is not profitable enough and push it toward the competitive side there will be a lot of unwanted changes in the industry.
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The greatest trick the Industry ever pulled was convincing the world to support skater-owned.
Why do we prefer to be fucked over by our own?
Who made it up? Rocco? H-street?
How come a rider who quits a sponsor is a bigger let down to our community than it was when that company moved production to China?
Why does it matter where boards are produced?
Etc...
There's a lot of reasons to support skater owned. What most young kids see in skateboarding is from the companies/videos they see, and if those are controlled by nike with a "just do it" campaign and emphasis on street league the culture of skateboarding would change vastly. You're an idiot for not realizing this.
Skateboarding in my eyes has always been a physical activity, but more of an art form and culture combined. If corporations decide that this idea is not profitable enough and push it toward the competitive side there will be a lot of unwanted changes in the industry.
So you are saying that the kids dressed in capenter overalls and riding welcome boards are more creative than the ones sporting monster beanies and riding plan b boards? Creativity is not about letting anyone else tell you who to be. You're an idiot for not realizing this.
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
Wads of cash
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with the berrics merger, the adidas corpo pr statement, and now a dae & mj filibuster video, i'd say boycott the skateboard mag, but no one cares about them anyway.
pretty sure its a double meat burger at DQ.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
labor, I get what you're saying but I've worked places where things started to go to shit, and it was pretty apparent. When you start to see the behind the scenes people leave, and your other co-workers, you try to hang on as long as you can. But at what point are you staying just out of loyalty and at what point are you just like "fuck this, i'm dragging myself down by trying to hang on and be part of something that is being run into the ground". Now I'm NOT saying you torch the people/company on the way out, but it can play on you mentally until you finally just separate yourself from it. And it doesn't always end well. I mean, look at all the people that left. CLEARLY there's some gnarly behind the scenes shit that's going on.
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have you guys ever seen a meth head? �he doesn't look like one at all. �he's just aging.
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Seems petty to call up Jenkem to essentially put out a piss and moan interview and stoop to a level they spent an entire interview decrying.
Basing a multi-million dollar shoe company and skate company off of the handshakes of your bros really isn't the path to longevity. You either have contracts and sue when they're not enforced, or don't. Talking shit on the sidelines about how they could sue if they wanted to is the same attitude as any little kid that loses a fight and then says "I wasn't even trying..."
:'(
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with the berrics merger, the adidas corpo pr statement, and now a dae & mj filibuster video, i'd say boycott the skateboard mag, but no one cares about them anyway.
now THATS funny...
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Seems petty to call up Jenkem to essentially put out a piss and moan interview and stoop to a level they spent an entire interview decrying.
Basing a multi-million dollar shoe company and skate company off of the handshakes of your bros really isn't the path to longevity. You either have contracts and sue when they're not enforced, or don't. Talking shit on the sidelines about how they could sue if they wanted to is the same attitude as any little kid that loses a fight and then says "I wasn't even trying..."
:'(
and he shouldn't have dressed so slutty right
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As the evidence mounts that MJ appears to be off the wagon, this all starts to feel more & more depressing. Carroll slagging a longtime friend & brand ambassador on his way out...? MJ drunk & selling out? Brink & the rest of the media playing spin control? This toxic shit isn't what Girl started off being about, & it sure as fuck has nothing to do with skateboarding.
Remember when these guys were young & skated everyday & no one was making any money? Seems everyone involved in this trainwreck is a long way from that "First Love."
Sucks. And it's not helping my mood that Guy Clark just died.
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have you guys ever seen a meth head? �he doesn't look like one at all. �he's just aging.
Not at all implying he is on meth or any other drug, just he looks different physically. Like something may be going on. This interview is from less than 9 months ago, looks much healthier, and even the way he's speaking is different. I don't think he aged that much in 9 months. Anyway, I hope he's okay whatever is going on. Huge MJ fan :'(
Classic Covers: Marc Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiBJCiPBzuk#)
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Seems petty to call up Jenkem to essentially put out a piss and moan interview and stoop to a level they spent an entire interview decrying.
Basing a multi-million dollar shoe company and skate company off of the handshakes of your bros really isn't the path to longevity. You either have contracts and sue when they're not enforced, or don't. Talking shit on the sidelines about how they could sue if they wanted to is the same attitude as any little kid that loses a fight and then says "I wasn't even trying..."
:'(
But fuck Jamie Thomas, right?
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
Does alcoholism cause the meth mouth thing? Hope MJ is okay and/or gets help if he needs it.
I agree that the video was a little hard to watch.
Marc smokes like a goddamn chimney and has for a really long time. That's why he looks the way he looks.
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27 pages deep and people are still coming in all hot and not understanding that Carroll isn't mad at Marc for leaving Lakai....
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
Wads of cash
I don't get why you're defending Lakai so hard. Yea sure MJ should have left in a better way. Aren't you from labor shop? I checked your site and you guys sell Nike, Vans, Adidas, Converse, New Balance and Huf. Just like all the other outraged people on here, how many of you guys actually own shoes from a "core" brand? Everyone on here is probably wearing Converse and Vans anyways...
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
Does alcoholism cause the meth mouth thing? Hope MJ is okay and/or gets help if he needs it.
I agree that the video was a little hard to watch.
Marc smokes like a goddamn chimney and has for a really long time. That's why he looks the way he looks.
but like NickDagger said, in that interview from 9 months ago, he looks like he's always looked. You don't smoke for 20 years and look like that and then randomly in 9 months age 12 years.
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
(http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1F.mkIXXXXXcVXpXXq6xXFXXXl/8-Color-Baby-Led-Shoe-Children-Shoes-With-Light-Up-Sneakers-For-Boys-Girls-Glow-Luminous.jpg)
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The new MJ samples
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
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The new MJ samples
Stash Pockets
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
Wads of cash
I don't get why you're defending Lakai so hard. Yea sure MJ should have left in a better way. Aren't you from labor shop? I checked your site and you guys sell Nike, Vans, Adidas, Converse, New Balance and Huf. Just like all the other outraged people on here, how many of you guys actually own shoes from a "core" brand? Everyone on here is probably wearing Converse and Vans anyways...
I dont work for Labor and I live in a different city, but whatevs.
Im riding for Mike Carroll and Lakai because I've been a fan of what they have been doing for years and that they decided to cut ties with the people who were turning skating into some jock shit (Ternasky, Plan B, DC) and started their own platform. A platform that provided careers to a bunch of people who would might otherwise be out of skating because of their actions on and off the board (Mariano, Gino, MJ, AO etc). For a lot of these people it made sense to leave - hell, I back MJ leaving; he should get some cash before he's too old. But I think Rickk, Mike, and Megan deserve a lot more respect from these people and from skateboarding than they are getting.
And as far as MJ goes, Carroll's story sounds pretty straight up: MJ lied to him and fucked him over as he's trying to keep a struggling company afloat. He asked Marc to ease the transition and, hell, even if he couldnt do that, he asked him a straight up man question: are you quitting and showing up in a video where a bunch of your current teammates are going to see you on a different team. Carroll said he asked for a simple answer, and after years of working together MJ couldnt provide an answer. Fuck even if riding for crailtap became the worst thing in the world, then just pick up the phone and say, 'yeah, I am gonna be in the Adidas video. Sorry. Nothing I can do about it.' But whatever problems crail has - and they look real - these people left because of cash. Dont kid yourself. It's a legitimate reason to leave but lets not pretend that all of a sudden Mike Carroll and Rick Howard - who all of these people, MJ included - say are great became horrible humans in a 6 month span. What happened is the pocket book got smaller. Again, a legitimate reason to leave, but doesnt mean you shit on anyone.
I've been a fan of Crail forever. I have no reason to care about Marc Johnson. Seriously, he's a good skater but doesnt really embody anything I care about. Straight up. He's just another good skateboarder, but kind of strikes me as the self-important type who would rail against corporate skate companies a year ago (basically telling everyone who rides for them to fuck off) only to show up riding for them. That's fine. And maybe he had a whole bunch of non-financial, legitimate reasons for leaving. But until I hear them, I have more trust in Mike Carroll and his 20+ years of credibility than Marc Johnson. I just do. Maybe you dont. Cool. Difference of opinion.
I'm down for Mike Carroll, and Im happy that a bunch of other people sound like they are too. Thats my story.
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On paper it seemed like Marc wanted Lakai to keep up with his own project ideas but in the video that quote was geared toward DVS and not being able to keep pace with Daewon.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
I'm as big of a Carroll fan as I am a MJ fan, and want nothing more than for Lakai/Girl/Chocolate to return to greatness.
Mostly just playing devil's advocate here, there are two sides to every story, especially a long-term employment relationship and negotiation that ruins a friendship. More so, when the company is crumbling apart.
If you think backwards, each of those dudes leaving got progressively less orchestrated, and less surprising. Gino was the first domino, somehow forget to add him to the list, thanks for bringing him up.
A colorway may be different than a signature shoe, but the fact that they were releasing it as a Biebel and had to change it at the last minute likely means he left with short notice.
Also, like Biebel and Guy, Marc had all his eggs in the crail basket, so the pay cuts probably hurt more than they did for Gino and Koston.
Instead of dumping all this hate on Marc Johnson, we should be talking about the last few questions, and how show companies are using their influence to define what is "cool", encouraging riders to change sponsors, especially if those sponsors have their own shoe brand.
Sponsoring the right people was move number 1, and Nike started with dudes like Gino and Richard Mulder, BA, and eventually Koston to gain a foothold. They rotted crail from the inside out, poaching riders, 1 at a time, until Marc was the only one left for Adidas to pull a Nike and finish them off.
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Watching that raw interview left me with a strange feeling. You can tell Daewon is pretty levelheaded and calm. Marc, however, sounded outright drunk. I remember him as more eloquent (or less stupid-sounding). He looked more agitated and sweaty than Daewon too.
This is like when you know you rub an old oil lamp and a genie appears and grants you a wish and you wish for a lot of money and then your family dies and you receive your inheritance and insurance.
This is what is happening here. Adidas FINALLY got Marc Johnson, but a drunk one. Marc gets a big check but loses family.
How tragic.
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Marc's always struck me as a pretty strange, disillusioned and probably clinically depressed dude, but he looked FUCKED UP in that interview. Knowing plenty of people who have been addicts, I can't say that Marc is relapsing or just stressed, but he looks seriously unwell there.
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The initials MJ are cursed:
Michael Jordan
Marc Johnson
Michael Jackson
I could go on forever about cursed MJs but I think with those three names you can see that death and destruction as well as disease and downtroddenness are the only things that happen to someone with those initials.
You've been warned.
What's the problem with Michael Jordan?
There are speculations that his gambling debts are what got his father killed.
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Watching that raw interview left me with a strange feeling. You can tell Daewon is pretty levelheaded and calm. Marc, however, sounded outright drunk. I remember him as more eloquent (or less stupid-sounding). He looked more agitated and sweaty than Daewon too.
This is like when you know you rub an old oil lamp and a genie appears and grants you a wish and you wish for a lot of money and then your family dies and you receive your inheritance and insurance.
This is what is happening here. Adidas FINALLY got Marc Johnson, but a drunk one. Marc gets a big check but loses family.
How tragic.
Agreed. Daewon: calm, cool, collected, and well spoken. Cant say anything like that about ramblin old man Marc.
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. A platform that provided careers to a bunch of people who would might otherwise be out of skating because of their actions on and off the board (Mariano, Gino, MJ, AO etc).
now ur talking out of ur ass. maybe mariano, but the rest of em would've been fine.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
Mostly just playing devil's advocate here, there are two sides to every story, especially a long-term employment relationship and negotiation that ruins a friendship. More so, when the company is crumbling apart.
If you think backwards, each of those dudes leaving got progressively less orchestrated, and less surprising. Gino was the first domino, somehow forget to add him to the list, thanks for bringing him up.
A colorway may be different than a signature shoe, but the fact that they were releasing it as a Biebel and had to change it at the last minute likely means he left with short notice.
Also, like Biebel and Guy, Marc had all his eggs in the crail basket, so the pay cuts probably hurt more than they did for Gino and Koston.
Instead of dumping all this hate on Marc Johnson, we should be talking about the last few questions, and how show companies are using their influence to define what is "cool", encouraging riders to change sponsors, especially if those sponsors have their own shoe brand.
Sponsoring the right people was move number 1, and Nike started with dudes like Gino and Richard Mulder, BA, and eventually Koston to gain a foothold. They rotted crail from the inside out, poaching riders, 1 at a time, until Marc was the only one left for Adidas to pull a Nike and finish them off.
i don't think koston did much in my opinion. Grabbing P-rod early on did it. He had a big influence on kids during that time and had people getting rid of their es and white tees for sb's and white tees. koston is just OG and a sneaker head so naturally he would of ended up over there anyways
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For the reading comprehension impaired: It's not that MJ left Lakai, it's how he left Lakai. Simple as that.
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Marc and Daewon look like they were about to cry.
Marc looks like stimulant psychosis and alcohol.
Seemed like they had guns on them to say that shit, unsettling video.
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For the reading comprehension impaired: It's not that MJ left Lakai, it's how he left Lakai. Simple as that.
I don't get it, what do you mean???
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. A platform that provided careers to a bunch of people who would might otherwise be out of skating because of their actions on and off the board (Mariano, Gino, MJ, AO etc).
now ur talking out of ur ass. maybe mariano, but the rest of em would've been fine.
Oh, this guy.
Look:
Gino didnt skate forever and hasnt filmed forever. Usually you dont get paid to rider for the most prestigous board company if you dont fulfill those things.
Alex Olson, who is probably my current favorite pro, didnt skate for long periods as a very young pro (which he's admitted) and had to get a talking to from Vans about getting his act together and I believe a pay cut. he refused to wear his companies clothes and, as they discuss in his epicly laterd, be a huge pain in the ass compared to you're average young rider. Hell, he had this probablem with a bunch of other companies prior to crailtap. he's admitted it.
MJ was super on the ball with skate stuff but was off dealing with his demons and fighting with the videographer. Probably not worthy of getting kicked off, but still a lot to handle.
Pappalardo: I mean, he eventually got the boot. But most companies dont pay you to not skate or produce for their biggest video (Pretty Sweet). I understand why he probably thought it was cool because so many Girl/Chocolate riders have taken a lax route to coverage. But Pappalardo had a nice ride before getting canned.
Mariano: I think we all get that one. If you really think most major companies let riders take 5-7 years off, pay for their sobriety, and then let them resume as full-paid pro on all of their brands...
In fact, in that Chocolate documentary they all discuss how Crail is the most lenient company. And I think thats great. I love all of these guys and Im glad they stand by their riders. It is much better too keep amazing riders through ups and downs than churn through to the hottest Am.
But if you think other companies are as lenient as crailtap, you are fool of shit. Listen to what there own riders say. Fuck they even say it in the documentary.
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Watching that raw interview left me with a strange feeling. You can tell Daewon is pretty levelheaded and calm. Marc, however, sounded outright drunk. I remember him as more eloquent (or less stupid-sounding). He looked more agitated and sweaty than Daewon too.
This is like when you know you rub an old oil lamp and a genie appears and grants you a wish and you wish for a lot of money and then your family dies and you receive your inheritance and insurance.
This is what is happening here. Adidas FINALLY got Marc Johnson, but a drunk one. Marc gets a big check but loses family.
How tragic.
I totally fooled the genie and just asked it to kill my whole family.
Who's laughing now, genie?
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It just dawned on me, Sheckler skates for Etnies and MJ skates for "Big Company Footwear"?!?! Donald Trump is the presidential nominee for a major political party?!?!
This is a crazy mixed up world we live in!!!
And for those with shitty comprehension, still not mad at Marc getting paid, just sucks that he acted like a coward. From the looks of it, MC and Philip Morris have placed an aging spell on him anyway. He may not be around long to enjoy those fat paychecks. Drink some water homie, you're lookin' haggard. Good news is if he ever buries the hatchet and gets back on Chocolate, Spike won't have to dress him up in one of those old man outfits anymore.
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I love the skate industry drama as much as everyone else here but I thought I'd take this opportunity while all eyes are on this thread and break it up a little by leaving this here.
http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=91073.0#msg2497255 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=91073.0#msg2497255)
Head over to the link and check out one of the times Slap has done good amongst all the noise and remember a guy that couldn't care less what shoes some pro wears because he was too busy loving skateboarding. Rusty Berrings roll forever. Brink, if you're still lurking you might want to use one of the media outlets you know to give this a little shine.
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Im stil confused by the McCrank tweet. Why does the anonyminity of a messageboard dilute the message? It's not our fault you decided to play skateboards for a living and pros shouldnt be so soft about this type of shit
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and also ...after watching that video, it looks and sounds like MJ has been up for a few days
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Rick McCrank @McCranker May 8
Step moms are moms too, if you have one let her know you're great full!!
If you have a stepmom, let her know you're doing well when your tummy is full.
I love McCrank and he always struck me as a really smart guy, so I got a chuckle out of his Twitter grammar on that one.
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Im stil confused by the McCrank tweet. Why does the anonyminity of a messageboard dilute the message? It's not our fault you decided to play skateboards for a living and pros shouldnt be so soft about this type of shit
maybe he's next in line to go corporate so he's trying to take the edge off a bit.
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they repeatedly tried to poach a rider and then when it finally succeeded they announced him while he was still under contract with lakai and stuck lakai with a ton of unmarketable product. fuck adidas. i can't believe marc is really buying that we want to support all generations thing and not seeing that it is just a way to buy a legacy they weren't actually around for.
This is an oversimplification and just plain wrong. Sorry. If I am leaving company X to take a job company Z, while I'm still employed, it's on ME to give notice and work out transition plans from my previous company. This isn't on Adidas. MJ could have avoided a LOT of this heat by just being up front and he didn't. He's kooked himself out and that video/interview/whatever-the-fuck didn't help his case at all. He looked like he'd been smokin' foils.
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Crail Couch with Marc Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9FwYgNUAIw&app=desktop#)
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The whole situation sucks. I hate how the money has taken over and dictates the way things happen. I can understand where both sides are coming from but MJ should have just come clean instead of lying to cover himself. Very shady. Adidas was probably trying to push him for that video announcement and he was caught in between big money and a lakai contract/friendship. Shitty situation, I am very displeased with the skate industry as of lately. Most everything is going/has been corporate nowadays. YOU are supporting the man in one way or another despite how core you think your consumption is. Hell even Vans had products in Footlocker and Olympia Sports before all other skate shoe brands.
If MJ ever has a pro model on adidas I can't imagine it would sell too well after this whole fiasco.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
labor, I get what you're saying but I've worked places where things started to go to shit, and it was pretty apparent. When you start to see the behind the scenes people leave, and your other co-workers, you try to hang on as long as you can. But at what point are you staying just out of loyalty and at what point are you just like "fuck this, i'm dragging myself down by trying to hang on and be part of something that is being run into the ground". Now I'm NOT saying you torch the people/company on the way out, but it can play on you mentally until you finally just separate yourself from it. And it doesn't always end well. I mean, look at all the people that left. CLEARLY there's some gnarly behind the scenes shit that's going on.
YEAH what he said
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That's a really brutal watch right now. Damn.
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why do i have a feeling crailtap isn't the only thing that might be dead in the next couple of years?
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Im stil confused by the McCrank tweet. Why does the anonyminity of a messageboard dilute the message? It's not our fault you decided to play skateboards for a living and pros shouldnt be so soft about this type of shit
maybe he's next in line to go corporate so he's trying to take the edge off a bit.
Ding Ding! Makes perfect sense, he's aging, not producing as much, has a family etc. I just wish these pros understood that any reasonable person isn't going to be mad at that... unless you're a backstabbing prick about it. Yes it would be nice if they used some of that corpo money and put it back into skateboarding. That said, the last thing we need is another 10,000 little board companies. I love Guy but I don't have much faith in whatever he cookin up with Kookston. Just come correct with the footy goddammit and don't make ugly ass shoes that cost $150.
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WTF are these supposed projects??!! Seriously just stop beating around the bush and say what you gotta say, Carroll put it all on the table and you should too.
Crazy how completely different Daewon and Marc's approach is, watching MJ fall like this is like watching the Lance Armstrong controversy unfold. I think everyone's getting it right though by siding with Daewon and not MJ.
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He looked bad in that @nyskateboarding pic and that video was worse. He really looks like he's relapsed and stressed by the way he's talking and his body language. He's really skinny too compared to the pics that have been out since he got sober.
I hope whoever is around him is doing their best to reign him in and get help ASAP. A lot of addicts aren't good at coping with major stress and instability after they get sober. All I'm saying is Marc doesn't look well and all of this hateful talk could lead to some horrible ending if he is aware of it. The level of hate some people here are expressing over a sponsor change and some money is disgusting.
This isn't a perfect comparison, but let me at least get this off my chest. A couple days ago a close friend's younger brother passed away after turning back to booze and pills following a brain surgery for a tumor because he couldn't deal with the pain. He had gotten married a month ago. Two weeks later she left because his drinking and behavior was unbearable. They found him and he'd been dead for 24-36 hours. Right now they are running a toxicology test and his brain is in a lab for some kind of neurological testing because the autopsy didn't show any obvious sign of death. My friend told me his mom and his brother's wife are inconsolable basket cases. This is the kind of thing that happens to a lot of relapsed addicts.
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why do i have a feeling crailtap isn't the only thing that might be dead in the next couple of years?
MJ of Meth?
stoked for daewon in every way. MJ is a bummer in every way except his skateboarding.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
labor, I get what you're saying but I've worked places where things started to go to shit, and it was pretty apparent. When you start to see the behind the scenes people leave, and your other co-workers, you try to hang on as long as you can. But at what point are you staying just out of loyalty and at what point are you just like "fuck this, i'm dragging myself down by trying to hang on and be part of something that is being run into the ground". Now I'm NOT saying you torch the people/company on the way out, but it can play on you mentally until you finally just separate yourself from it. And it doesn't always end well. I mean, look at all the people that left. CLEARLY there's some gnarly behind the scenes shit that's going on.
YEAH what he said
riiiiight... clearly, behind the scenes, adidas and nike can afford to pay their team higher wages.
other than that, nothing is clearly going on behind the scenes... that doesn't mean there isn't something going on, just that it's not clear, as you say.
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That was a pretty harsh interview to watch only because Marc shows the physical appearance of someone going through manic episodes, substance abuse or an alarming lack of rest. It felt like he couldn't even get his point, if he even had one, across. I'm not just saying this because he's been one of my favorite skateboarders since the tilt mode days but I just genuinely hope he gets help cause it seems like he needs it.
Daewon is a sweetheart.
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
labor, I get what you're saying but I've worked places where things started to go to shit, and it was pretty apparent. When you start to see the behind the scenes people leave, and your other co-workers, you try to hang on as long as you can. But at what point are you staying just out of loyalty and at what point are you just like "fuck this, i'm dragging myself down by trying to hang on and be part of something that is being run into the ground". Now I'm NOT saying you torch the people/company on the way out, but it can play on you mentally until you finally just separate yourself from it. And it doesn't always end well. I mean, look at all the people that left. CLEARLY there's some gnarly behind the scenes shit that's going on.
YEAH what he said
riiiiight... clearly, behind the scenes, adidas and nike can afford to pay their team higher wages.
other than that, nothing is clearly going on behind the scenes... that doesn't mean there isn't something going on, just that it's not clear, as you say.
what, you wanna play fuckin semantics here? yup, nothing going on, just some of the biggest names in skateboarding all leaving the SAME distribution company. You see Trujillo, or Chima or anyone from Deluxe in a mass exodus to Nike? Or any other companies with a mass exodus like from the Crail camp? Maybe you remember a little situation with DNA distribution? Do you even know what DNA was? Yeah, people leaving AWS because as you may recall, the ship sank after investment from an outside source and a lack of confidence in the new investors, while losing the family feel it always had. sound familiar in the slightest? keep trolling me, i'll keep kooking you.
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This whole situation really sucks as fans of both MC and MJ. I understand that there is shit going on internally we don't know about, but from a business perspective, MJ fucked up. Mike said that lakai riders have always had contracts, so I am assuming there is a clause in there that if MJ breaks the contract he can be held liable for any of his product lakai is sitting on. Going from all the ads I have seen for the MJ model and the upcoming colorways, lakai is most likely sitting on a lot of MJ product. Dude probably shouldn't keep poking the bear and just shut his mouth. Mike said he didn't want to get lawyers involved because that's not what they are about, but hes legally within his right to. Again, this is assuming this in in the contract, but isn't this what happened to Trevor Colden with zero, this should be common in skateboarding contracts.
Yeah, Marc looks rough. I hope its just from stress, but his rambling really didnt help. I also fully back Daewon and his decision, he needs a company that can support his projects.
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Mike carroll sounds like a cry baby who made bad business decisions and now going on the offensive cause his brands aren't "cool" anymore. its actually making me think MC is a bitch for contacting jenkem just to trash marc.
Yes there is loyalty issues but mike and rick cashed out already and are rich while telling marc "don't take that other contract until we sell all your shoes but by the way we cutting your pay too"....
In the interview he mentioned marc responded saying "did you read the contract?" implying it was a slap in the face
A business isn't just about Mike, Rick or MJ. What MJ did affects all employees and riders over at the Crailtap camp. Basically, Marc is responsible for an even greater loss of profit, which now they're probably going to have to cut in places to make up. Mike Carrol may have made bad business decisions, but MJ made a bad ethical decision. It's not just Rick and Mike who gets affected the worst, I'd say other team riders would have to cover the cost as well, and that's not cool.
Fuck, I can only imagine the repercussions for pulling a stunt like this over at Adidas or Nike. Imagine having thousands of Adidas/Nike shoes and product ready to be sold, and just dipping on the company. Law suits and industry mayhem is all I can see.
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Man will we ever see the day when one of those new Nike/Adidas "acquisitions" will just flat out admit that they wanted the money? Creative endeavors my ass
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
labor, I get what you're saying but I've worked places where things started to go to shit, and it was pretty apparent. When you start to see the behind the scenes people leave, and your other co-workers, you try to hang on as long as you can. But at what point are you staying just out of loyalty and at what point are you just like "fuck this, i'm dragging myself down by trying to hang on and be part of something that is being run into the ground". Now I'm NOT saying you torch the people/company on the way out, but it can play on you mentally until you finally just separate yourself from it. And it doesn't always end well. I mean, look at all the people that left. CLEARLY there's some gnarly behind the scenes shit that's going on.
YEAH what he said
riiiiight... clearly, behind the scenes, adidas and nike can afford to pay their team higher wages.
other than that, nothing is clearly going on behind the scenes... that doesn't mean there isn't something going on, just that it's not clear, as you say.
what, you wanna play fuckin semantics here? yup, nothing going on, just some of the biggest names in skateboarding all leaving the SAME distribution company. You see Trujillo, or Chima or anyone from Deluxe in a mass exodus to Nike? Or any other companies with a mass exodus like from the Crail camp? Maybe you remember a little situation with DNA distribution? Do you even know what DNA was? Yeah, people leaving AWS because as you may recall, the ship sank after investment from an outside source and a lack of confidence in the new investors, while losing the family feel it always had. sound familiar in the slightest? keep trolling me, i'll keep kooking you.
got your hackles up, but i'm not trolling shit here. what i'm saying is right now, money is making plays in skateboarding, and crail has the most *accessible* branding, with the greatest market overlap and evidently, the most potential to directly compete.
so when you say this is clearly the result of behind the scenes shit, i don't doubt that it is, but i do doubt that it's strictly an internal issue.
corporate skateboarding has nothing to fear from other camps, as they likely don't feel threatened by brands and teams that don't try to perpetuate an image that overlaps with their own intentions.
crail has always had a more broadly marketable thing going on, so to me, it's no surprise that whatever poaching might be going on behind the scenes would be directed at their camp first.
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I feel like Adidas has lost more from acquiring MJ, than gained anything.
If they hadn't brought MJ into their team, this whole debacle never would have happened. People would just be discussing Away Days and sharing "Fuck Nike" sentiments as usual, and the world would have ignored the corporate side of Adidas and moved on.
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Everyone just going to forget about the time Chocolate tried to shoot MJ in the back?
http://youtu.be/JJ_IW6l_hOo?t=143 (http://youtu.be/JJ_IW6l_hOo?t=143)
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Kelly Bird: gone
Scott Johnston: gone
Guy: gone
Koston: gone
Biebel: gone (left right as his Staple colorway was being released)
and now
Marc Johnson: gone
But it is all Marc Johnson's fault cause Mike Carroll said so!
Did anyone expect anything different when they took the money from Altamont?
Planning a clean exit for Marc from Lakai = Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It sucks, but nothing is forever.
Except it seems like those guys all went out in a managed way that didnt blindside Crail, with open communication and a sit down. Marc, if you believe MCs story, just simply lied about it. Also a colorway is different than a signature shoe.
I get what you are saying, but it looks like MJ bounced, lied and didnt handle it. As has been said before, when other people left, they tried to do it on a manageable schedule. Like Gino, who quit but waited to announce later so that Crail could handle its shit. Carroll says hes fine with MJ leaving; its that MJ lied to him and didnt properly negotiate a separation agreement.
Im guessing you are huge Marc Johnson fan. Sorry, bud. He's gonna let you down!
labor, I get what you're saying but I've worked places where things started to go to shit, and it was pretty apparent. When you start to see the behind the scenes people leave, and your other co-workers, you try to hang on as long as you can. But at what point are you staying just out of loyalty and at what point are you just like "fuck this, i'm dragging myself down by trying to hang on and be part of something that is being run into the ground". Now I'm NOT saying you torch the people/company on the way out, but it can play on you mentally until you finally just separate yourself from it. And it doesn't always end well. I mean, look at all the people that left. CLEARLY there's some gnarly behind the scenes shit that's going on.
YEAH what he said
riiiiight... clearly, behind the scenes, adidas and nike can afford to pay their team higher wages.
other than that, nothing is clearly going on behind the scenes... that doesn't mean there isn't something going on, just that it's not clear, as you say.
what, you wanna play fuckin semantics here? yup, nothing going on, just some of the biggest names in skateboarding all leaving the SAME distribution company. You see Trujillo, or Chima or anyone from Deluxe in a mass exodus to Nike? Or any other companies with a mass exodus like from the Crail camp? Maybe you remember a little situation with DNA distribution? Do you even know what DNA was? Yeah, people leaving AWS because as you may recall, the ship sank after investment from an outside source and a lack of confidence in the new investors, while losing the family feel it always had. sound familiar in the slightest? keep trolling me, i'll keep kooking you.
got your hackles up, but i'm not trolling shit here. what i'm saying is right now, money is making plays in skateboarding, and crail has the most *accessible* branding, with the greatest market overlap and evidently, the most potential to directly compete.
so when you say this is clearly the result of behind the scenes shit, i don't doubt that it is, but i do doubt that it's strictly an internal issue.
corporate skateboarding has nothing to fear from other camps, as they likely don't feel threatened by brands and teams that don't try to perpetuate an image that overlaps with their own intentions.
crail has always had a more broadly marketable thing going on, so to me, it's no surprise that whatever poaching might be going on behind the scenes would be directed at their camp first.
OK, I hear ya. Didn't mean to lay into you. PERSONALLY, I don't think that that anything is being directed at their camp. I think there's instability there, which MC pretty much admits too, and as a result, the older dudes are more susceptible to outside offers. Also, I don't doubt that a few of them actively looked elsewhere for a more stable sponsor be it boards or shoes. A lot of team changes that go down is because people talk. "I heard dude A is bummed on his board sponsor" and with more established people in the industry going to bigger companies (Scuba, Sinclair, Bird, Johnston), they can use their influence of knowing these dudes on a personal level, and swaying their decisions to leave where they are at. I HIGHLY doubt some no name suit from Adidas was the one to call Marc and Daewon. Someone they know was mediating that, or bringing both parties to the able, at least in the initial stages.
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Whoa... MJ looks cooked in that interview. Crazy.
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Marc Johnson looks ate the fuck up!
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28 pages deep and people are still coming in all hot and not understanding that Carroll isn't mad at Marc for leaving Lakai....
THIS!
Also, "Darwin" :D
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that interview was absolutely crazy. daewon rambling on way too long about nothing that needs to be explained and mj obviously fubar. looks like they cut the video right before he was about to hit awkward gas pedal. hope his bros, family or new sponser can get him help if he needs it
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Damn my nigga maybe take your beanie off if you're sweating that hard
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LAKAI FULLY FLARED, FULLY GIRL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5KJeBKDHA#)
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What the fuck was that TSM video? The worst damage control idea from the worst PR guy ever? It wasn't much of a positive promotional piece.
It's like a weird form of sec flagellation over the "right to sell out." I mean, I don't begrudge those guys doing what they feel they need to be doing (ok, I do a little) but it was just a goofy way to explain themselves. I mean, just say you have house payments and no profession besides skateboarding and I understand.
STILL WONDERING WHAT ALL THESE "PROJECTS" ARE!!?!
Hoverboards? Shoes with spurs to help you heelflip? Outreach programs? Videos that you could have done anywhere?
Can't wait.
BTW, didn't really get the alkie/junkie vibe - dude's just thin and old (I can relate).
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With Marc and all of his projects that Carroll/Lakai "couldn't" do it was probably more like this. Marc being SUPER passionate about what he feels is a good idea and Carroll just laughing like, "haha! This fool cannot ACTUALLY think that's a good and/or funny idea?!"
This gif is most likely a perfect representaion of an average business meeting where Marc shares his great new idea with Carroll.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/7b6f45996eae87f8edd11c9f3cdac4cf/tumblr_mw61uqNCfs1qzhyxdo1_400.gif)
PS. I still love and back whatever the fuck MJ decides to do
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What the fuck was that TSM video? The worst damage control idea from the worst PR guy ever? It wasn't much of a positive promotional piece.
It's like a weird form of sec flagellation over the "right to sell out." I mean, I don't begrudge those guys doing what they feel they need to be doing (ok, I do a little) but it was just a goofy way to explain themselves. I mean, just say you have house payments and no profession besides skateboarding and I understand.
STILL WONDERING WHAT ALL THESE "PROJECTS" ARE!!?!
Hoverboards? Shoes with spurs to help you heelflip? Outreach programs? Videos that you could have done anywhere?
Can't wait.
BTW, didn't really get the alkie/junkie vibe - dude's just thin and old (I can relate).
You wanna talk projects?? How about Space heel flips, making how describing numbers through color gradient and figuring out how to vibe tre flips like "fuck you" when you're walking down the sidewalk... And that's just the tip of the berg my dude, you don't know the whole story or what's really going on behind scenes k
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That was a pretty harsh interview to watch only because Marc shows the physical appearance of someone going through manic episodes, substance abuse or an alarming lack of rest. It felt like he couldn't even get his point, if he even had one, across. I'm not just saying this because he's been one of my favorite skateboarders since the tilt mode days but I just genuinely hope he gets help cause it seems like he needs it.
Daewon is a sweetheart.
Was going to say, he comes across as Bi-Polar/Manic in that interview. It was harsh, but that interview was a mess, and shouldn't of been put up.
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So was the TSM interview was recorded after MC went in?
To me in that interview it seems as Daewon was really trying to justify a position no reasonable person would argue with, DVS aren't doing anything & aren't run by skateboarders any more, not only that he never went on anti sport shoe rants to begin with.
MJ seems to be supporting him and justifying Daewon's decision, while sounding like their situations are identical. I just can't believe they would do that interview after MC's article and not address the main point of how he left. The whole thing is bizarre and adidas must be wondering what type of shit show they have signed up for.
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Man will we ever see the day when one of those new Nike/Adidas "acquisitions" will just flat out admit that they wanted the money? Creative endeavors my ass
Seriously!!!
"I want to get paid to ride a skateboard and if people are going to offer me large amounts of money I'm going to take it so I'll have enough money to live when I can no longer skate at a level where people will pay me."
That's the only explanation you need...and it doesn't even need explaining.
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Seriously!!!
"I want to get paid to ride a skateboard and if people are going to offer me large amounts of money I'm going to take it so I'll have enough money to live when I can no longer skate at a level where people will pay me."
That's the only explanation you need...and it doesn't even need explaining.
Yeah we will understand.... They trying too hard to justify what they do, The video and that " earned stripes" article just make carrols point stronger, I dont remember any pro changing sponsors with all this repercution, always we said "he left because he wanted more money" and thats it... I think adidas are regreting in some point what they just did....
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So was the TSM interview was recorded after MC went in?
To me in that interview it seems as Daewon was really trying to justify a position no reasonable person would argue with, DVS aren't doing anything & aren't run by skateboarders any more, not only that he never went on anti sport shoe rants to begin with.
MJ seems to be supporting him and justifying Daewon's decision, while sounding like their situations are identical. I just can't believe they would do that interview after MC's article and not address the main point of how he left. The whole thing is bizarre and adidas must be wondering what type of shit show they have signed up for.
no, it was recorded at the nyc premiere
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
Translation: Hi we are a hurting skateboarding magazine. Thrasher is kicking our ass. Need clicks. Thanks.
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http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
Translation: Hi we are a hurting skateboarding magazine. Thrasher is kicking our ass. Need clicks. Thanks.
And ride channel get all those clicks that TSM needs.
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Care About Natural Skateboarding?
Original Maneuvers?
Even Our Narrative Exists Predominately Metaphysically.
Marc's Excellent Tricks Have Embodied Legendary Innovation.
No Kidding.
Though Outlandish, Always Whiny?
Adidas Yields Destruction.
Adidas, You Suck.
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This is not going to end well...
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People asking what projects adidas is doing ?
they just released a 1 hour video , the whole team regularly goes on trips and they constantly put up shorter videos of the team and different riders
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On another note, hopefully Marc can battle his demons and come out on top. As he alluded to on the crail couch and as many have said here, alcoholism is very serious and can be a life threatening disease. While it was a shitbag thing for him to do (that sort of moment can have a very negative effect on the crail/Lakai staff, especially if things were already negative in their office), I wish him nothing but strength to overcome his troubles within.
Side note: Some of those guests that were viewing the thread are just slappers who don't bother to log in while at the office ;D
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
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Man will we ever see the day when one of those new Nike/Adidas "acquisitions" will just flat out admit that they wanted the money? Creative endeavors my ass
Pretty sure when Chet got on Nike he said it was like they offered him 'a winning lottery ticket' or something, and he couldn't say no. It took the pressure off paying bills etc and let him get more stuck into his 'art'. He said in his Jenkem interview that Nike saved his ass. I guess it's a different situation to these two, but he was pretty straight up about it.
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The fact that Daewon is two years older than Marc makes me want to quit drinking.
(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
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I don't think Daewon is too hyped...he says he is and it's the next step in his life an he's excited...but at the same time he says I understand and respect the other perspective, "it's debatable". It's not like theres pure stoke...there's drama...he's also upset at the take over at DVS. I don't know about Marc's thing with the company couldn't keep up with me, I had all these projects, and they're cutting my pay. Well except for the last part. Way too vague, sounds like bullshit. I also got the feeling the camera was mostly on Daewon the whole time because MJ was so awkward.
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The fact that Daewon is two years older than Marc makes me want to quit drinking.
(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
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Idk how to post photos.. https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/janky858/27124451305/
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Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
That would definitely be a factor as well, but that's not to take away from Daewon's gift of good looks. He reminds me of this episode of Eerie Indiana a long time ago where this family slept in tupperware containers and only aged at half the rate of other people.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/)
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What do you guys think the super crazy ideas were that mj had that lakai couldn't keep up with? They must have been super crazy.
Wads of cash
I don't get why you're defending Lakai so hard. Yea sure MJ should have left in a better way. Aren't you from labor shop? I checked your site and you guys sell Nike, Vans, Adidas, Converse, New Balance and Huf. Just like all the other outraged people on here, how many of you guys actually own shoes from a "core" brand? Everyone on here is probably wearing Converse and Vans anyways...
been skating for 30+ years. never wore a pair of cons or nike in my life, even when not skating. i owned a pair of gazelles in 1995. thats it. and for the idiots who diss skater owned, FUCK YOU, you are either a stupid troll or a rollerblader
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What the fuck was that TSM video? The worst damage control idea from the worst PR guy ever? It wasn't much of a positive promotional piece.
It's like a weird form of sec flagellation over the "right to sell out." I mean, I don't begrudge those guys doing what they feel they need to be doing (ok, I do a little) but it was just a goofy way to explain themselves. I mean, just say you have house payments and no profession besides skateboarding and I understand.
STILL WONDERING WHAT ALL THESE "PROJECTS" ARE!!?!
Hoverboards? Shoes with spurs to help you heelflip? Outreach programs? Videos that you could have done anywhere?
Can't wait.
BTW, didn't really get the alkie/junkie vibe - dude's just thin and old (I can relate).
^really? it tripped me out a bit. maybe not super trashed but i felt like something in his ways was off. if you watch older interviews he talks differnt, gestures different and can make a point. here he reminds me of myself the last time i tried making a point at 2 in the morning after 12 pints of beer where in the middle of the sentence i forget why i started to even talk because i knew i was not capable of making a point anymore.
and someone posted a link of that thrasher cover mini interview from nine months ago. he looks like he aged 9 years in nine months!
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
well said
they are better shoes.
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Remember a while back when MJ had an article in a mag telling people never to eat honey because it contained bee antibodies that would destroy your immune system?!!! Hahaha, fuck, no scientific facts, just complete horse shit oozing from his mouth
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Idk how to post photos.. https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/janky858/27124451305/
Got you fam
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7380/27124451305_8b9a957155.jpg)
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The fact that Daewon is two years older than Marc makes me want to quit drinking.
(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
the two shittest beanies in skateboarding
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(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
the two shittest beanies in skateboarding
I don't understand how it's ok for two guys around 40 years old to wear beanies in spring and indoors ? You guys are bald? Get over it.
The beanie thing indoors has to stop after some age. You guys are 40, at this point it's getting creepy.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/8/82/Mr.Burns_as_Jimbo.png/revision/latest?cb=20150801043321)
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
well said
they are better shoes.
i may be alone on this but i genuinely don't like them at all. there are two different issues on the two brands. for nikes, i think they are like boots, with soles that are very thick in relation to the upper and i am hating the fact that their shoes look like runners. for adidas, the extremely high achille's support that they tend to do causes tendonitis on me. i have been skating the dc coles and the dvs chicos for the last few years with absolutely no issues
edit. i dont wanna turn this almost adidas thread into a nike thread
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(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
the two shittest beanies in skateboarding
The beanie thing indoors has to stop after some age. You guys are 40, at this point it's getting creepy.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/8/82/Mr.Burns_as_Jimbo.png/revision/latest?cb=20150801043321)
Fuck me, that's gold.
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54 and ain't stopping.
(http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2014/12/The-Edge.jpg)
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Remember a while back when MJ had an article in a mag telling people never to eat honey because it contained bee antibodies that would destroy your immune system?!!! Hahaha, fuck, no scientific facts, just complete horse shit oozing from his mouth
That was wack. He said something like, "Honey is one of the worst things you can put into your body." He always comes off like some pseudo intellectual that read some books but didn't graduate high school. Amazing skateboarder though. Between his look and the incoherent points, I got some type of drug/stimulant vibe from that interview. C'mon Marc, you're better than that. I you're going to get that Adidas check, please get yourself on track and put out a killer welcome part.
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Isn't he bff's with Jerry.. That's a d!ck move, make him feel awkward af. Jerry stay on Choco and say fvck off MJ.
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Remember a while back when MJ had an article in a mag telling people never to eat honey because it contained bee antibodies that would destroy your immune system?!!! Hahaha, fuck, no scientific facts, just complete horse shit oozing from his mouth
OK someone link this interview for me, I haven't heard that before and it sounds full blown person.
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http://theridechannel.com/news/2016/05/marc-johnson-yeah-right (http://theridechannel.com/news/2016/05/marc-johnson-yeah-right)
Thought this to be in a but of bad taste
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No fair comparing a 40 yo asian face to 40 yo white face. Some myth making happening here. - The narrative; "Chocolate supported Marc when they should/could have fired him." Totally fuck off . -hes got !0 min video parts!!
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Isn't he bff's with Jerry.. That's a d!ck move, make him feel awkward af. Jerry stay on Choco and say fvck off MJ.
what
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Fire sale
(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
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^^^BWAHAHAH.....
That's gold Jerry! Gold!
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^^^^^^^Brilliant^^^^^^^
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^^ hahahahaha amazing.
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Also, I'm interested to see where he ends up board sponsorwis. Kookston and Guy's new project (if it ever happens)?
this has to be on every page, at least once
it's a shame that it was back on page 17
props to iceman
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If I'd known this was how it was gonna turn out, I would've never done that kickflip.
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If I'd known this was how it was gonna turn out, I would've never done that kickflip.
I laughed ... have a gnar
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The fact that Daewon is two years older than Marc makes me want to quit drinking.
(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
the two shittest beanies in skateboarding
Tom Asta is commander in chief of the shitty beanie brigade.
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The fact that Daewon is two years older than Marc makes me want to quit drinking.
(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
the two shittest beanies in skateboarding
Tom Asta Billy Marks is commander in chief of the shitty beanie brigade.
Mostly cuz he wore one at his wedding
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marc has a prescription beanie. he's bald and on antibiotics for his adult acne and it makes him sensitive to the sun. he just does not want to burn.
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If I'd known this was how it was gonna turn out, I would've never done that kickflip.
I laughed ... have a gnar
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Remember a while back when MJ had an article in a mag telling people never to eat honey because it contained bee antibodies that would destroy your immune system?!!! Hahaha, fuck, no scientific facts, just complete horse shit oozing from his mouth
OK someone link this interview for me, I haven't heard that before and it sounds full blown person.
I don't think it was a full-blown interview. If I'm remembering correctly, it's from an early issue of TSM, when they used to have people write small little articles/lists/blurbs to fill the front half of each issue. He was like sharing his top "health tips" because he was super into eating healthy at the time. I think the logic was like "You're not supposed to give honey to babies (which is actually true), so why is it ok for adults to eat it?"
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Remember a while back when MJ had an article in a mag telling people never to eat honey because it contained bee antibodies that would destroy your immune system?!!! Hahaha, fuck, no scientific facts, just complete horse shit oozing from his mouth
OK someone link this interview for me, I haven't heard that before and it sounds full blown person.
I don't think it was a full-blown interview. If I'm remembering correctly, it's from an early issue of TSM, when they used to have people write small little articles/lists/blurbs to fill the front half of each issue. He was like sharing his top "health tips" because he was super into eating healthy at the time. I think the logic was like "You're not supposed to give honey to babies (which is actually true), so why is it ok for adults to eat it?"
Honey can definitely be bad for young kids
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
well said
they are better shoes.
i may be alone on this but i genuinely don't like them at all. there are two different issues on the two brands. for nikes, i think they are like boots, with soles that are very thick in relation to the upper and i am hating the fact that their shoes look like runners. for adidas, the extremely high achille's support that they tend to do causes tendonitis on me. i have been skating the dc coles and the dvs chicos for the last few years with absolutely no issues
edit. i dont wanna turn this almost adidas thread into a nike thread
I skated Adidas Chewy Cannons once, they were pretty good, I liked 'em. Skated Dunks back in I think 2010 when I was a little gromlet kook. Hated them, went back to my old shoes. As for the whole coreness shit. I'm totally down with that, I mean yeah corporations tend to make better shoes because they have more money to put into research and shit; but the short of it is that they put smaller shoe companies (Fallen, eS until recently) and small skate shops out of business. That's the short answer, not really gonna get into it since I don't wanna divert the thread. eliteskater08 Skate Speech posted a interesting video on the subject the other day, can't link it right now thanks to the network firewall, I'll try a bit later.
EDIT: Found it
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/)
You wont belive but I remember that episode.
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My take is Carrolls pissed because they were going to unload a bunch of shoes to shops, knowing full well the "press release" or whatever that MJ was leaving within 2 months. Then those shops "core" or mall stores are stuck with the shit they have to put on the sale rack. Hey at least Crailtap isn't sitting on a bunch of dead stock though right? MJ definitely didn't handle this right, however they knew he was gone for bigger money, and blasted every website and shop to unload what they knew would be worthless inventory once the Adidas thing came to light. Fuck the shops though, feel bad for us for going into production on a shoe we knew wouldn't be around, running a ton of ads pushing you all to buy them, so we're all good over here when you're stuck with the product you can't even sell at what you bought it for. Just my opinion.
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As other people have noted, those shops' orders and Lakai's production of his shoes aren't happening within those extra two or three months that Carroll asked for. They happened 6+ months ago. So it makes sense to ask him to stay so they can help move that cycle and both shops and Crail could recoup at least some of the production, shipping, and storing costs.
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Remember a while back when MJ had an article in a mag telling people never to eat honey because it contained bee antibodies that would destroy your immune system?!!! Hahaha, fuck, no scientific facts, just complete horse shit oozing from his mouth
OK someone link this interview for me, I haven't heard that before and it sounds full blown person.
I don't think it was a full-blown interview. If I'm remembering correctly, it's from an early issue of TSM, when they used to have people write small little articles/lists/blurbs to fill the front half of each issue. �He was like sharing his top "health tips" because he was super into eating healthy at the time. I think the logic was like "You're not supposed to give honey to babies (which is actually true), so why is it ok for adults to eat it?"
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totally. symptoms may include; sharp pounding in the rectum and psychological problems.
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
well said
they are better shoes.
i may be alone on this but i genuinely don't like them at all. there are two different issues on the two brands. for nikes, i think they are like boots, with soles that are very thick in relation to the upper and i am hating the fact that their shoes look like runners. for adidas, the extremely high achille's support that they tend to do causes tendonitis on me. i have been skating the dc coles and the dvs chicos for the last few years with absolutely no issues
edit. i dont wanna turn this almost adidas thread into a nike thread
eliteskater08 Skate Speech posted a interesting video on the subject the other day, can't link it right now thanks to the network firewall, I'll try a bit later.
EDIT: Found it
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
The only interesting thing about Skate Speech is his shitty facial hair.
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them? They're filming for a fucking video that's probably gonna take another three years to come out.
If your company has been going downhill for almost a decade then it's time to try some new approaches. Could be a hit or a miss, but it's better than just slowly dying while hoping that somehow miraculously people are gonna get stoked on your brand again.
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What a nut riding goober. Who needs that turd to summarize the Internet for them?
Ace Ventura - Loser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kz7YUdy-Cg#)
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keep swallowing nike's sperm and addidas's fresh turds, you fucking kooks. tastes good, don't it? and you won't stop until you have their dicks permanently implanted in your asses, because "these sneakers look fresh. I feel like I'm michael jordan on a skateboard."
Dude how old are you? Having genuine concern over the coreness of a shoe brand is so fucking childish.
and falling into idol worship created by clever marketing is not childish? it's the definition of childish. adults don't wear fancy sneakers that look cool because they saw a really cool ad with their favorite athlete doing something awesome.
well said
they are better shoes.
i may be alone on this but i genuinely don't like them at all. there are two different issues on the two brands. for nikes, i think they are like boots, with soles that are very thick in relation to the upper and i am hating the fact that their shoes look like runners. for adidas, the extremely high achille's support that they tend to do causes tendonitis on me. i have been skating the dc coles and the dvs chicos for the last few years with absolutely no issues
edit. i dont wanna turn this almost adidas thread into a nike thread
eliteskater08 Skate Speech posted a interesting video on the subject the other day, can't link it right now thanks to the network firewall, I'll try a bit later.
EDIT: Found it
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
The only interesting thing about Skate Speech is his shitty facial hair.
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them?
To be fair, I wouldn't be accepting advice on how to run a company from an alcoholic who has evidently (this is a word that means that there is evidence behind this statement, for those of you who have poor reading comprehension) fallen off of the wagon.
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The fact that Daewon is two years older than Marc makes me want to quit drinking.
(http://i.imgur.com/hz4pT7T.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/9tzJTbE.jpg)
Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
the two shittest beanies in skateboarding
Tom Asta Billy Marks is commander in chief of the shitty beanie brigade.
Mostly cuz he wore one at his wedding
lol
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o1kJPRaT--M/Tjn7QO8dNOI/AAAAAAAAAPg/ncmIatOfMhE/s1600/IMG_7243.jpg)
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Billy Marks married Monica Gellar?
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(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them? They're filming for a fucking video that's probably gonna take another three years to come out
Lakai as a company hasn't been up to much, sure, but their riders are all pretty productive and killing it. for whatever reason, that doesn't have the same effect for their brand as someone who's skating consistently and putting shit out that's branded for Nike or adidas. of course they would benefit from more random webclips like most other companies do, but that's just not the crailtap way. they're about the full lengths that blow everything else out of the water. that to me is the biggest way they've "failed to adapt" to the current market and probably a big reason of why they're not doing so well, aside from the altamont partnership. there's less visibility of them as a brand, which is what is essential these days. it doesn't even have to be so in your face, just anything. you also have to consider how much smaller their team is compared to these giants, so that's a reason why they seem to have less going on...
as far as product, the staple and the new soccer looking sillho that they're putting out are both great looking shoes, but needed the right type of promotional backing.
adidas' shoes are really not that far ahead of the curve in terms of technology and comfort comparatively. the og adi-ease is a floppy POS after a few sessions (havent tried the updated one but doubt its much better), the same with the seeley, the matchcourt was a classic brought in solely for the purposes of staying on trend and isn't particularly comfortable or durable, the silas SLR was a fresh looking shoe but took forever to break in and gave me achilles tendon problems. i could go on but i'll digress. the only shoe i tried from them so far that i wanted another pair of was the OG lucas because it was durable due to the sprintskin under the suede, and it never flopped out on me. if we're talking corpo shoe cos that are actually doing "progressive" things when it comes to footwear product only, nike has them beat by a mile.
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And what happens to Nike's "progressive" shoes? They generally get dropped after a season or two.
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And what happens to Nike's "progressive" shoes? They generally get dropped after a season or two.
yup true, they fuck up on that a lot but they're always doing something new in replacement. koston 3 is a great shoe. haven't tried the new bruin but the one before it was amazing, i'm sure it's only improved with the hyperfeel sole.
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I was at the shop today. The MJ's have a sew on label as the only MJ-specific branding. If Lakai can't sell the shoes with the label for some legal reason cut the damn things off and marker over MJ's name on the box. They can still sell the damn shoes. After Yonnie's GX part those shoes should get some traction.
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I was at the shop today. The MJ's have a sew on label as the only MJ-specific branding. If Lakai can't sell the shoes with the label for some legal reason cut the damn things off and marker over MJ's name on the box. They can still sell the damn shoes. After Yonnie's GX part those shoes should get some traction.
So you are proposing a professional business cut off a label and use marker to replace the preexisting emblem? And try and sell it? How old are you?
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Did you read the Jenkem interview the owner of Lakai gave? How old is he? Cut the label off and sell the shoes so you don't lose money. It's not rocket surgery.
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i have a feeling Carroll is holding back some information that could potentially end marc's career
i also have a feeling that marc will pull a billy rohan in the near future
pray for both billy and marc
i'm not joking/trolling
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Aite so the shit beanies mt Rushmore is mj daewon and tom asta, can we all agree?
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it's not rocket surgery
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Aite so the shit beanies mt Rushmore is mj daewon and tom asta, can we all agree?
Put Trevor Colden up on there too. Don't chisel off the acne tho...
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Aite so the shit beanies mt Rushmore is mj daewon and tom asta, can we all agree?
(http://s32.postimg.org/k6bwz5xj9/image.jpg)
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Shit, I was gonna add Billy Marks and Chris Haslam, but Adam Dyet might have both of those dudes beat.
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them?
To be fair, I wouldn't be accepting advice on how to run a company from an alcoholic who has evidently (this is a word that means that there is evidence behind this statement, for those of you who have poor reading comprehension) fallen off of the wagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wx77L9_D84
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Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/)
You wont belive but I remember that episode.
That's awesome! Coincidentally, I am driving through Indiana right now, and there are definitely some weird places out here. Michigan City, Indiana feels like the Bombay Beach of the midwest.
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Shit, I was gonna add Billy Marks and Chris Haslam, but Adam Dyet might have both of those dudes beat.
Nah, I'll +1 to Marks on Beanies Rushmore. Tying the knot wearing a beanie on is dedication. If Marks is buried in a casket, he'll have his beanie on.
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i have a feeling Carroll is holding back some information that could potentially end marc's career
i also have a feeling that marc will pull a billy rohan in the near future
pray for both billy and marc
i'm not joking/trolling
Billy's doing well right now. But a prayer in his direction never hurts.
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I think the real shame here is the shift of focus from what I'm hearing is an amazing video from Adidas.
All that hard work from the team getting sidelined.
That new Boil The Ocean piece makes sense, especially points 1-4. Points 5-10 feel like a movie I've seen before and want to see again.
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MJ looks cooked in that interview. I also didn't really understand any of his points, like he speaks in non sequiturs but really passionately like he's mega pissed up. I feel bad for Daewon, he just got rango'd into this and he seems really lovely.
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one of marc's favorite authors is bukowski
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Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/)
You wont belive but I remember that episode.
Eerie Indiana was the bomb. I watched the whole thing a while ago. Nostalgia is a good thing. Talking about good things from Eerie Indiana...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9b/4e/33/9b4e335df2b29491b162553038e7339b.jpg)
(http://www.idallev.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hot-nikki-cox-photos.jpg)
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Only one user and six guests viewing this thread. Ah, the hype is finally starting to die down.
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Shit, I was gonna add Billy Marks and Chris Haslam, but Adam Dyet might have both of those dudes beat.
Nah, I'll +1 to Marks on Beanies Rushmore. Tying the knot wearing a beanie on is dedication. If Marks is buried in a casket, he'll have his beanie on.
i meant to put billy in my mt rushmore post but was typing on my phone. mt rushmore is daewon, mj, asta, billy marks
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childstarlets.com :-[
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them?
To be fair, I wouldn't be accepting advice on how to run a company from an alcoholic who has evidently (this is a word that means that there is evidence behind this statement, for those of you who have poor reading comprehension) fallen off of the wagon.
Yeah I wouldn't take anything seriously from that MJ in the video, let alone give him creative control over the marketing of my company, but I can kinda understand his frustration when they're constantly doing paycuts, yet not trying to re-invent themselves in any way
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My god.
Did Marc hibernate in a food dehydrator? What the fuck happened to him?
Pretty concerned for the man.
"we die at 40, those of us who didn't die at 20, we betray ourselves."
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"we die at 40, those of us who didn't die at 20, we betray ourselves."
Is that quote from Jonas Mekas?
Also speculating on Marc's personal stuff is pretty lame.
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Also speculating on Marc's personal stuff is pretty lame.
Based on what we know, it's pretty clear that he was infected with asperger's just like Poppalardo.
I think the real shame here is the shift of focus from what I'm hearing is an amazing video from Adidas.
All that hard work from the team getting sidelined.
They have no one to blame but the marketing team who decided they needed to put that terrible intro clip into the video.
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Fire sale
(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
hahaha wow.
also though I can't help but notice the imagery in the banner, is that silhouette doing a frontside heelflip over a teepee? is the owner of that shop native? this whole thing is weird
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Also speculating on Marc's personal stuff is pretty lame.
Based on what we know, it's pretty clear that he was infected with asperger's just like Poppalardo.
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I think the real shame here is the shift of focus from what I'm hearing is an amazing video from Adidas.
All that hard work from the team getting sidelined.
They have no one to blame but the marketing team who decided they needed to put that terrible intro clip into the video.
On the personal stuff, have you not been on Slap before? The amount of speculation over Antwuan, Pops, Wenning, PJ etc could fill a phone book.
As for the intro clip, its was truly dumb and detracted from the video. If they wanted to put them in the video, do something subtle like what Nike did introducing Mariano with a clip in Koston's part. Don't do some school yard montage/ Daewon being driven around.
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also though I can't help but notice the imagery in the banner, is that silhouette doing a frontside heelflip over a teepee? is the owner of that shop native? this whole thing is weird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHv2dIM3t9I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHv2dIM3t9I#)
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I'll be praying to some fictional-being to get Marc back on Enjoi.
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I wonder how a 2017 KOTR would be with Lakai x Emerica, Adidas and Nike...
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I wonder what Marc's big ideas for projects were that he just couldn't do with Lakai?
I would be very surprised if we see any type of project at all come from Marc Johnson via Adidas.
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I wonder what Marc's big ideas for projects were that he just couldn't do with Lakai?
I would be very surprised if we see any type of project at all come from Marc Johnson via Adidas.
Adidas X crown molding & stainless steel kitchenware
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I wonder what Marc's big ideas for projects were that he just couldn't do with Lakai?
I would be very surprised if we see any type of project at all come from Marc Johnson via Adidas.
Adidas x wigs and funny voices
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them?
To be fair, I wouldn't be accepting advice on how to run a company from an alcoholic who has evidently (this is a word that means that there is evidence behind this statement, for those of you who have poor reading comprehension) fallen off of the wagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wx77L9_D84
Trust me when I was writing that sentence I was definitely thinking of Seinfeld. In fact most times I'm doing anything I'm thinking of Seinfeld.
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I was eating at a food truck sitting at the table in Marfa Texas yesterday and who was sitting next to me but none other then Brian Lotti... This actual topic came up and he said he loves Rick and Mike but those guys are "millionaires" and he thinks they are being a bit petty... He also said he didn't read carrolls interview though
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daewon gets no hate, dude is a saint.
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I'm still laughing that I saw the adidas video on pornhub
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I wonder what Marc's big ideas for projects were that he just couldn't do with Lakai?
I would be very surprised if we see any type of project at all come from Marc Johnson via Adidas.
Adidas x wigs and funny voices
Hahahahahaha. Seriously, this is about all we are going to get...maybe mixed with writing some dumb shit on cardboard and flipping crayons. He needs to follow Daewons example....and just shut the fuck up and skate.
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I was lurking Brink's IG and Brink is really adamant Marc has a side to his story that we'll all be, "of course!" when Marc explains his side. If he ever does...Marc seems like the type of guy where we aren't cool enough to know and we'll never hear. At this point I'm getting the gist MC is telling the truth and I'm sure Adidas will pay Crailtap all their losses suffered from breaking the Lakai contract. Maybe MJ's contract was already over and he never signed the termination agreement per the Jenkem interview. Which could be the other side of the story I'm just speculating. So then it's really all about MJ lying to MC on the phone about being welcomed at the Away Days premier.
Complete BS speculation but maybe since MJ started Enjoi, MJ could have been a little control freak and power tripper at Crail wanting to push his "enjoi ideas" onto Crail and Crail wasn't digging it...thus relationship started to unfold. Only think I can think of with his special projects claim he made in TSM interview. Maybe they could never agree, couldn't compromise, and then cutting their pay at the same time. Probably pretty frustrating. At the same time for MC to be so brutal in that Jenkem interview means it's actually pretty damn serious. Honestly it does sound like a situation where us internet people really have no clue. MJ needs to give the details, and maybe he never will because he's like that or because he will ruin his career.
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This should clear up any confusion on whats going on right now in skateboarding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjB6r-HDDI0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjB6r-HDDI0)
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marc's biggest idea that he couldn't do while suffering pay reductions from lakai:
(http://i.imgur.com/WR6neAa.png)
but now that he's got that adidas money:
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This should clear up any confusion on whats going on right now in skateboarding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjB6r-HDDI0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjB6r-HDDI0)
Garth on Reebok is sick though. They're so progressive. They're backing his new version of the SuckCut.
People Only Do Things Because They Get Paid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9FUgzAJun4#)
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Are you on Drugs? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpMZ7uE0tmc#)
#Teamdogdrugs.
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I agree that MJ's ''I've got ideas and Lakai can't keep up with them'' sounds very douchey, but what has Lakai done in the recent years to try to get people more excited about them?
To be fair, I wouldn't be accepting advice on how to run a company from an alcoholic who has evidently (this is a word that means that there is evidence behind this statement, for those of you who have poor reading comprehension) fallen off of the wagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wx77L9_D84
Trust me when I was writing that sentence I was definitely thinking of Seinfeld. In fact most times I'm doing anything I'm thinking of Seinfeld.
Holy shit me too, I'm constantly making Seinfeld references and can recognize immediately most of the time in a split second when one applies, as it did here when I skimmed this page and saw the phrase "falling off the wagon ".
I'm forever working Seinfeld quotes into everyday conversation even with younger people who have no idea what the fuck Seinfeld even is.
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lol omg sameee
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I was lurking Brink's IG and Brink is really adamant Marc has a side to his story that we'll all be, "of course!" when Marc explains his side.
Yeah, well he said that about Chase-the screwdriver-Gabor too so I wouldn't hold my breath ::)
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I was lurking Brink's IG and Brink is really adamant Marc has a side to his story that we'll all be, "of course!" when Marc explains his side.
Yeah, well he said that about Chase-the screwdriver-Gabor too so I wouldn't hold my breath ::)
"If only you guys knew the whole story"
-Brinks epitaph
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Is that quote from Jonas Mekas?
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Yes. Threw that in for the Slap cinephiles. Iircl someone had a sig from Daises. shout out.
As far as the personal stuff goes, look at the man. All the speculations are written in his melted face. So much love for MJ and his skating, even met him and chatted on a few occasions, but you can't deny the dude is going through something. Don't know what it is but I think it may have affected his choice with the Adidas deal.
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"If only you guys knew the whole story"
-Brinks epitaph
^^ lol
2 weeks since mj blindsided mc. if there was a legitimate reason for fucking crail over, especially with the shitstorm it created, it would have been aired already. but mj and big shoe company haven't been able to offer anything other than trying to move the goal posts. that just makes mc's take seem even more credible. i think brink is just trying to stay in the industry's good graces. he's full of it.
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When someone spits false facts about one, normally one will deny the allegations. In this case, MJ hasn't spoken out against MC's interview.
The individualistic side of skateboarding exists in everyone from the kid on the corner learning how to roll to the highest paid pros. You don't need to be a part of a team to participate the activity. However, being honest with your fellow comrades is something not to be taken lightly, especially when your relationship spans many years.
Communication breakdown.
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After revisiting the Grosso videos after his Weekend Buzz, seeing the changes in skateboarding (SLS b2b Primitive hyoe), connecting the dots with Kris Markovitch, this kind of shit happened and is still happening all the time in skatboarding.
As I now stare at my Adidas with a bit of jadedness
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"If only you guys knew the whole story"
-Brinks epitaph
haha for some reason after watching the hateful 8 last night I found this really funny
I hope Spike is really involved in whatever the next big project is and writes an actual movie like the first 3 videos. That really needs to fucking happen. Especially if that guy won academy awards with Her and Where the Wild Things are, this shit is just unacceptable.
i think brink is just trying to stay in the industry's good graces. he's full of it.
Obviously...that kinda tripped me out seeing a few posts about this.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFsQc_giYl4/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFsQc_giYl4/)
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Im starting to think it was the old catch 22 for MJ. I'm sure Adidas swore him to secrecy to save the surprise. If he'd have told MC the night before then the whole world would have known on MC's insta and it would have blown it. Then we'd have a situation where it would be MC lying to him on the phone by saying, "just be honest man I won't tell anyone". And you all know damn well that MC most likely would have been pissed and blown it up regardless what he says now. He should have just never answered the phone but he was destined to be either the "dodgy bitch" or the "pathological liar". Thats my guess. I love both of these guys but have a hard time believing MC wouldn't have been pissed either way and ruined the surprise out of spite. It's human nature really.
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This needs to be on every page
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Gonna have to back brink a bit.
Do you really think it's that far fetched that there's shit you guys don't know?
Maybe shit that Marc doesn't feel the need to air?
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On another note, what about old drop foot Capaldi? Doesn't sound like he's anywhere near making a full recovery. Heavy shit.
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Gonna have to back brink a bit.
Do you really think it's that far fetched that there's shit you guys don't know?
Maybe shit that Marc doesn't feel the need to air?
Like what? It's more plausible to me that MJ was going through Cocaine Psychosis and saying crazy shit than it is that he's some tortured and misunderstood skate footwear visionary.
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Gonna have to back brink a bit.
Do you really think it's that far fetched that there's shit you guys don't know?
Maybe shit that Marc doesn't feel the need to air?
I guarantee there is shit we don't know; but saying things like "If only you guys knew the whole story" and things along those lines is very condescending but also obvious. Of course there is shit we don't know about the situation. However, if no one says anything then we are going to just guess that what Carroll said is pretty spot on. No one is going to tell us the full story if MJ still comes out looking like a jackass in the end anyway though. So to say we just don't know the whole story is complete bullshit if no one still wants to actually give the whole story.
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No one is going to tell us the full story if MJ still comes out looking like a jackass in the end
this is why i suspect mj hasn't come back at mc: his 'full story' doesn't justify the back stab.
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Gonna have to back brink a bit.
Do you really think it's that far fetched that there's shit you guys don't know?
Maybe shit that Marc doesn't feel the need to air?
Like what? It's more plausible to me that MJ was going through Cocaine Psychosis and saying crazy shit than it is that he's some tortured and misunderstood skate footwear visionary.
MJ for SOTY 2020
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Gonna have to back brink a bit.
Do you really think it's that far fetched that there's shit you guys don't know?
Maybe shit that Marc doesn't feel the need to air?
Like what? It's more plausible to me that MJ was going through Cocaine Psychosis and saying crazy shit than it is that he's some tortured and misunderstood skate footwear visionary.
My boy works at crail and said the MC interview is exactly how it went down, no exagerrations.
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So MC calls MJ(god it feels so stupid typing initials but anyway) the night before and MJ says yeah man sorry Adidas really wanted this to be part of the premier there's nothing I can do about it. It's part of my new contract and I really need this $$ for my family. So then MC says ,"OK man, no prob, thanks for being honest" Yeah Right!(no pun intended lol!). MC would have stewed for 10 to 20 minutes and then thought of the most hateful, shitty way to dis MJ AND ruin the surprise on his Insta. You guys know thats true whether you want to admit it or not. It's easy as hell to say, "if he just told the truth I would have accepted it and been cool about it" after the fact. Like I said I'm not choosing sides but I'm also not going to jump on some bandwagon when I don't know all the facts either. Kook away!
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Gonna have to back brink a bit.
Do you really think it's that far fetched that there's shit you guys don't know?
Maybe shit that Marc doesn't feel the need to air?
Like what? It's more plausible to me that MJ was going through Cocaine Psychosis and saying crazy shit than it is that he's some tortured and misunderstood skate footwear visionary.
My boy works at crail and said the MC interview is exactly how it went down, no exagerrations.
"ya boy" needs his job. WTF? do you think he would say?
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So MC calls MJ(god it feels so stupid typing initials but anyway) the night before and MJ says yeah man sorry Adidas really wanted this to be part of the premier there's nothing I can do about it. It's part of my new contract and I really need this $$ for my family. So then MC says ,"OK man, no prob, thanks for being honest" Yeah Right!(no pun intended lol!).
Well he did mention that he still would have been angry but you know, comprehension skills and all that jazz...
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Wait, Marc isn't 'Mj' anymore. The girl guys dubbed him that when he got on their jocky-joke-themed team. So really its just Marc Johnson again. I love the individual riders and the earlier vids but Girls shit got stale for me pretty early in the game as they cultivated their 'sense of humor' in the ad campaigns and tour footy. Just to keep it real tho, sure chocolate was a a fresh look for Marc but he certainly wasn't a "kook" as someone in the thread here went so far as to say. He was killing it forever actually and was just in a life slump rite before he got on chocolate. But I wouldn't say kook. Was Jerry a kook to till he got on chocolate?
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Finally saw Away Days. I was under the impression that they just threw that "welcome to the team" thing during the credits, not half way through the fucking video with Busenitz driving a god damn Buick. The Crail guys had to sit through the last half of that thing fucking pissed Hahahaha.
Marc knew.
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
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Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/)
You wont belive but I remember that episode.
I think about that episode all the time
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So MC calls MJ(god it feels so stupid typing initials but anyway) the night before and MJ says yeah man sorry Adidas really wanted this to be part of the premier there's nothing I can do about it. It's part of my new contract and I really need this $$ for my family. So then MC says ,"OK man, no prob, thanks for being honest" Yeah Right!(no pun intended lol!). MC would have stewed for 10 to 20 minutes and then thought of the most hateful, shitty way to dis MJ AND ruin the surprise on his Insta. You guys know thats true whether you want to admit it or not. It's easy as hell to say, "if he just told the truth I would have accepted it and been cool about it" after the fact. Like I said I'm not choosing sides but I'm also not going to jump on some bandwagon when I don't know all the facts either. Kook away!
Let's stop right here with this "would" nonsense. If MJ knew, he should have told Carroll. If Carroll went on to leak the info that's on him and we could have a different discussion.
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
Greg Carroll, oh man "If you only knew the whole story."
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Fire sale
(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
hahaha wow.
also though I can't help but notice the imagery in the banner, is that silhouette doing a frontside heelflip over a teepee? is the owner of that shop native? this whole thing is weird
its form a great, skater owned/operated shop in England. the owner is white but his good friend is indian
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"If only you guys knew the whole story"
-Brinks epitaph
haha for some reason after watching the hateful 8 last night I found this really funny
I hope Spike is really involved in whatever the next big project is and writes an actual movie like the first 3 videos. That really needs to fucking happen. Especially if that guy won academy awards with Her and Where the Wild Things are, this shit is just unacceptable.
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i think brink is just trying to stay in the industry's good graces. he's full of it.
Obviously...that kinda tripped me out seeing a few posts about this.
I couldn't agree more. Having Spike behind a new video project would go a long way to restoring Girl/Chocolate/Lakai as a creative force in skateboarding.
Imagine a series of smaller vids a'la Emerica and Nike featuring parts from the Crail camp that formed a larger narrative.
Revisit the forest skating with a skater lost in the forest and having to find his way.
Anyway...
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(http://i.imgur.com/DQFoCKz.jpg)
true, as i also said before.
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I don't know about MC but there has to be some kind of kookery in behind the scenes. People were leaving before MJ left too remember? Carroll got all that money from selling out to investors and now he's butt hurt about everything going to shithole. I don't know how you'd feel if everybody else having to take pay cuts while your buddy just got millions coming from that investment company? MJ maybe didn't come out the best way but the real blame is on crailtap doing a shity job keeping their assets happy.
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So MC calls MJ(god it feels so stupid typing initials but anyway) the night before and MJ says yeah man sorry Adidas really wanted this to be part of the premier there's nothing I can do about it. It's part of my new contract and I really need this $$ for my family. So then MC says ,"OK man, no prob, thanks for being honest" Yeah Right!(no pun intended lol!). MC would have stewed for 10 to 20 minutes and then thought of the most hateful, shitty way to dis MJ AND ruin the surprise on his Insta. You guys know thats true whether you want to admit it or not. It's easy as hell to say, "if he just told the truth I would have accepted it and been cool about it" after the fact. Like I said I'm not choosing sides but I'm also not going to jump on some bandwagon when I don't know all the facts either. Kook away!
Oh you mean like, "Rocco WOULD have shut us down" or " Rocco WOULD have kept our footage"? That type of "would"?
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Do some sort of cross promotional thingwith all all the Marc Johnson product with Greg Carrolls Go Fund Me. Hand scratch shit out and see if Eric will let you stash em behind the counter at the Canteena.
I'm half joking about some stuff
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
Congratulations you have gone full TMZ bitch mode
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hahahahahahaaaaa ;D
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all i've gathered in the past 11 pages is that someone's sig says that a video of ashlynn brooke or lisa ann on pornhub isn't good enough for him
and i'm going to go back and watch wayne's world again
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Fire sale
(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
hahaha wow.
also though I can't help but notice the imagery in the banner, is that silhouette doing a frontside heelflip over a teepee? is the owner of that shop native? this whole thing is weird
its form a great, skater owned/operated shop in England. the owner is white but his good friend is indian
i'm gonna let you think about this
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Fire sale
(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
hahaha wow.
also though I can't help but notice the imagery in the banner, is that silhouette doing a frontside heelflip over a teepee? is the owner of that shop native? this whole thing is weird
its form a great, skater owned/operated shop in England. the owner is white but his good friend is indian
i'm gonna let you think about this
(http://thechap.co.uk/content/images/indian-tache2.jpg)
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Doesn't MJ also smoke cigs heavily?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0569394/)
You wont belive but I remember that episode.
Northwest Indiana is Chicago before it's Indiana. And everything northeast of that has more of a Michigan vibe than anything. Draw a line across the state starting at Benton County. That's where everything gets it's own feel.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/14kcn2.gif) (https://imgflip.com/gif/14kcn2)
;D
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
Truly spoken like someone who's never had to deal with family who are unstable fuck-ups/drug addicts/mentally ill. Not saying Greg Carroll is all of these things but if you know anything about the dude, he's def some of them. Do you honestly believe MC would abandon his brother, who basically raised him, with no history there? You don't know shit.
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Fuck man....Marc has lost his fucking mind. This is really sad.
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How long do you give it before those Instagram posts get deleted?
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the shit stirring continues. wonder if this means that jenkem will put out their interview with MJ today...
but most of all I wonder when theyre gonna put that fucking Bunker Down review back up
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
It's getting juicy again boys. Get your Michael Jackson popcorn gifs ready. Who do you think Marc is about to call?
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O lawd
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Uh oh, Marc Johnson threatens to start a company. Can't wait to watch him build something and then quit once it gets too tough.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Marc is already drunk? It's only a little after 9am on the West Coast. I'm just gonna hope he's having a late night in Tokyo.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Marc is already drunk? It's only a little after 9am on the West Coast. I'm just gonna hope he's having a late night in Tokyo.
Ha, was about to say, you know somebody's fucked up when they post 3 times in 15 minutes.
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god damnit marc fucking stop please PLEASE
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
It's getting juicy again boys. Get your Michael Jackson popcorn gifs ready. Who do you think Marc is about to call?
Hopefully his AA sponsor
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It's like when you break up with a GF and everybody goes crazy and insults the other when a couple weeks before everything was perfect.
Fuck those 40 year old guys not being able to deal their things properly, yet I'm gonna get some popcorn
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You're right, bruh. I didn't have to stage an intervention with my alcoholic mother who my father was about to divorce. After being home for a week and seeing her drinking at all hours of the day I decided I had to confront her. I heard her get up and chug a glass of wine at 4 AM then again at 6 AM before going to work. When she got home she was shaking all over after not having a drink for 8 hours while at work. I held her hand while she poured a glass of wine because she couldn't form a coherent thought. After she calmed down I begged her to get treatment and she promised her crying child that she'd get straight on her own (futile I know but you can't force someone to quit).
Three months later my dad called me to tell me my mom was in the mental ward of the local hospital under sedation for a month while she detoxed. She collapsed after she didn't have a drink for 36 hours and he refused to go buy her more wine. After that she was in physical therapy for another month to relearn how to walk and be able to take care of herself. Next was 28 days at a rehab clinic to get right with why she became an alcoholic. The last picture I have of my father is the morning he took her to Gainesville after Christmas for rehab. A year later he was diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma. A year later he passed away. She's going to be 6 years sober with no relapses this Thanksgiving.
You're right I don't know what happened between MC and GC but your dumb to assume I never experienced family tragedy and worked through it.
And MJ, man, MJ!
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
Truly spoken like someone who's never had to deal with family who are unstable fuck-ups/drug addicts/mentally ill. Not saying Greg Carroll is all of these things but if you know anything about the dude, he's def some of them. Do you honestly believe MC would abandon his brother, who basically raised him, with no history there? You don't know shit.
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Man the fuck up, an issue like this needs a fight to settle matter.
Just slap the shit outta each other because you know neither one can fight like a man.
Ikobrakai this shit
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I don't know about MC but there has to be some kind of kookery in behind the scenes. People were leaving before MJ left too remember? Carroll got all that money from selling out to investors and now he's butt hurt about everything going to shithole. I don't know how you'd feel if everybody else having to� take pay cuts while your buddy just got millions coming from that investment company? MJ maybe didn't� come out the best way but the real blame is on crailtap doing a shity job keeping their assets happy.
Its highly doubtful from everything we've seen that Carroll, Howard, Spike and Megan pocket the cash. Its most likely the money was put in to try to stabilize the brand. I did find it interesting though that when Carroll talked about Guy and Erik leaving, he specifically mentioned Koston by name as a guy they should of thanked more (understandably, what he made them from 1997 to 2003 was probably insane), and remained quiet on Guy (while thanking him, but not bashing him). Did find it interesting him saying hopefully they have nothing bad to say about us. Have a feeling what Crailtap sold was shares in the company, increasing its overall value, and wasn't a cashout, thereby reducing the other guys Fourstar shares. Sort of interested to see how Jerry, KA and Roberts play this, as they seem to be the riders closest to Marc, and if they actually did fuck him over would be the ones most likely to leave (Particularly Jerry or KA who have shoe money and can easily find a new sponsor).
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What's the word for:
Burning bridges/digging graves/being a belligerent entitled douche?
Because he was being a dick online *before* this shit. Until we "hear the whole story", I will wonder why MC didn't dump his ass sooner.
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Skateboarding...so SASSY right now!
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Sooo, are those his forward thinking projects?
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Props for dealing with that and props to your mom for staying sober. Both of my parents were addicts and alcoholics. I've done the interventions, treatments, DUIs, jailtime and all that bullshit as well. It worked for one and not the other.
My point is, imagine if your mom never got sober. Imagine a family member who continues to fuck up, lie, steal and all the other shit that comes along with it. Are you never allowed to cut the cord? Just because they're family you have to allow them to continuously fuck you over and negatively impact your life? You've been through it, why judge someone else then? Not everyone gets resolution.
If MJ is in a full blown relapse, hopefully he gets his shit together before he fucks his kids up.
You're right, bruh. I didn't have to stage an intervention with my alcoholic mother who my father was about to divorce. After being home for a week and seeing her drinking at all hours of the day I decided I had to confront her. I heard her get up and chug a glass of wine at 4 AM then again at 6 AM before going to work. When she got home she was shaking all over after not having a drink for 8 hours while at work. I held her hand while she poured a glass of wine because she couldn't form a coherent thought. After she calmed down I begged her to get treatment and she promised her crying child that she'd get straight on her own (futile I know but you can't force someone to quit).
Three months later my dad called me to tell me my mom was in the mental ward of the local hospital under sedation for a month while she detoxed. She collapsed after she didn't have a drink for 36 hours and he refused to go buy her more wine. After that she was in physical therapy for another month to relearn how to walk and be able to take care of herself. Next was 28 days at a rehab clinic to get right with why she became an alcoholic. �The last picture I have of my father is the morning he took her to Gainesville after Christmas for rehab. A year later he was diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma. A year later he passed away. She's going to be 6 years sober with no relapses this Thanksgiving.
You're right I don't know what happened between MC and GC but your dumb to assume I never experienced family tragedy and worked through it.
And MJ, man, MJ!
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
Truly spoken like someone who's never had to deal with family who are unstable fuck-ups/drug addicts/mentally ill. �Not saying Greg Carroll is all of these things but if you know anything about the dude, he's def some of them. �Do you honestly believe MC would abandon his brother, who basically raised him, with no history there? �You don't know shit.
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So when Carroll confronted Marc about all of this, he sent Carroll a text that said, "Did you read the agreement?" If Marc does respond to all of this properly, I wonder if he'll explain that further. Or maybe it doesn't even matter given how the whole situation played out.
The sad thing is that Carroll always steadily backed Marc. Like Marc's first Chocolate ad posted earlier. Then in a Slap interview he said Marc was one of his favourites b/c he could make the weirdest trick look sick. And then how he saved Marc's lost part on his computer, and how they were cool in Fully Flared and Jerry's welcome clip, and so on.
Hope this situation ends gracefully, these are two major heroes butting heads. And:
If MJ is in a full blown relapse, hopefully he gets his shit together before he fucks his kids up.
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I see your point and agree. Thanks for setting me straight. Props back at you. :)
Props for dealing with that and props to your mom for staying sober. Both of my parents were addicts and alcoholics. I've done the interventions, treatments, DUIs, jailtime and all that bullshit as well. It worked for one and not the other.
My point is, imagine if your mom never got sober. Imagine a family member who continues to fuck up, lie, steal and all the other shit that comes along with it. Are you never allowed to cut the cord? Just because they're family you have to allow them to continuously fuck you over and negatively impact your life? You've been through it, why judge someone else then? Not everyone gets resolution.
If MJ is in a full blown relapse, hopefully he gets his shit together before he fucks his kids up.
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You're right, bruh. I didn't have to stage an intervention with my alcoholic mother who my father was about to divorce. After being home for a week and seeing her drinking at all hours of the day I decided I had to confront her. I heard her get up and chug a glass of wine at 4 AM then again at 6 AM before going to work. When she got home she was shaking all over after not having a drink for 8 hours while at work. I held her hand while she poured a glass of wine because she couldn't form a coherent thought. After she calmed down I begged her to get treatment and she promised her crying child that she'd get straight on her own (futile I know but you can't force someone to quit).
Three months later my dad called me to tell me my mom was in the mental ward of the local hospital under sedation for a month while she detoxed. She collapsed after she didn't have a drink for 36 hours and he refused to go buy her more wine. After that she was in physical therapy for another month to relearn how to walk and be able to take care of herself. Next was 28 days at a rehab clinic to get right with why she became an alcoholic. �The last picture I have of my father is the morning he took her to Gainesville after Christmas for rehab. A year later he was diagnosed with stage 4 lymphoma. A year later he passed away. She's going to be 6 years sober with no relapses this Thanksgiving.
You're right I don't know what happened between MC and GC but your dumb to assume I never experienced family tragedy and worked through it.
And MJ, man, MJ!
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Just thought of something. Are we really supposed to take the word of a guy who, last time I checked, abandoned his older brother during a time of personal and financial crisis? Anyone remember the whole Greg Carroll thing from last year? That doesn't ring "family" to me.
Truly spoken like someone who's never had to deal with family who are unstable fuck-ups/drug addicts/mentally ill. �Not saying Greg Carroll is all of these things but if you know anything about the dude, he's def some of them. �Do you honestly believe MC would abandon his brother, who basically raised him, with no history there? �You don't know shit.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Hahaha fuuuck! Looking through the comments, Marc is responding and seems like he's drunk. Calling out random kids.
In other news, Marc and his lady bought new bikes yesterday!
He does not look good.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Marc is already drunk? �It's only a little after 9am on the West Coast. �I'm just gonna hope he's having a late night in Tokyo.
You posted at 8:30 am west coast time.... so it was probably posted at 8 am.
Early morning repeated posts about how he's going to get his revenge makes it sound like he is in a rough position.
Thanks for your fucking meddling Adidas! We all love the fact that Marc Johnson is going through a relapse that is causing his complete self-destruction as a result of you signing him.
Adidas is such a shit brand.
This is seriously depressing.
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Honest question.
Where was it ever said/confirmed MJ is an alcoholic?
I rememeber him saying he drank pretty heavely during or after fully flared, but I dont recall anything else???
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Honest question.
Where was it ever said/confirmed MJ is an alcoholic?
I rememeber him saying he drank pretty heavely during or after fully flared, but I dont recall anything else???
He has confirmed that he is an alcoholic in recovery. All of the relapse noise is unconfirmed.
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Someone screen cap/post any of marc's comments on insta before they're deleted. Some of us are trying to work over here!
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true, as i also said before.
i'm gonna quote this to the top page.
this is still the most popular thread on slap. still over 40 registered users and over 55 guests lurking
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Honest question.
Where was it ever said/confirmed MJ is an alcoholic?
I rememeber him saying he drank pretty heavely during or after fully flared, but I dont recall anything else???
Where?
Shitty buzz if thats the case.
Imo both parties are acting like little bitches. Im not on either side, love em both
Just wish they would handle this shit like grown ass men
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Hahaha fuuuck! Looking through the comments, Marc is responding and seems like he's drunk. Calling out random kids.
In other news, Marc and his lady bought new bikes yesterday!
He does not look good.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes)
I didnt see him call out any kids?
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fuck marc johnson. i didn't really care either way before this, but this is just sad. trying to make a joke out of it to cover up the fact that he's a fucking kook.
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Honest question.
Where was it ever said/confirmed MJ is an alcoholic?
I rememeber him saying he drank pretty heavely during or after fully flared, but I dont recall anything else???
Where?
Shitty buzz if thats the case.
Imo both parties are acting like little bitches. Im not on either side, love em both
Just wish they would handle this shit like grown ass men
Lock thread. Ship to Classic Slap. Sit and wait for the response on Jenkem.
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I feel like we may need to pump the brakes a bit. It'd be a shame if Marc is having some kind of episode. His connection with social media may have an unhealthy affect on his current state of mind, especially if he's not stable. Before spitting out MJ hate (direct or indirect), it may be a good idea to stop and think about how it could possibly damage the situation even further.
I think we've all thought the highest of Marc at one time or another and only want to see him return to greatness on and off the board. Hopefully, he has someone close to him that can recognize if he does need help.
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That picture of him with the bike makes me sad, but his gf is hot.
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Nail in the coffin for MJ. He's always struck me as super odd. This confirms it.
For him to talk shit on Mike Carroll's work on a skateboard is just dumb. I know a lot of younger guys wont get it, but Mike Carroll was the premier street skate at street skatings most pivotal transformation. He's put out an endless number of parts, probably has the best style and trick selection, and is one of the true ambassadors for skating. I think he has a much better career than MJ. MJ is clearly lasting a bit more but Carroll got Lupus and is focusing on being a company owner. Carroll>MJ.
A couple of stray thoughts:
-Carroll has tons of respect in the industry. If you'll notice lots of real skaters commented on his insta post (york, brophy, nuge etc). People are down for carroll.
-If MJ does come out with a "tell-all interview" it will probably be a bunch of bullshit lies. His whole career is filled with being a great skater who kind of blows it (emerica, enjoi) and jumps to other companies, or one who gets on a soapbox (Big Shoe Company's are bad!) that he cant stand on. I dont think Carroll (with the seeming support of Rickk, Megan and others) is lying when he says MJ is a pathological liar who is prone to disappearing.
If he's seriously dealing with a relapse (and I dont want to diagnose here), I wish him the best. Alcoholism is a mother fucker. Here's to being all right. But those repeated lashing out posts look like someone who is on his own trip.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Hahaha fuuuck! Looking through the comments, Marc is responding and seems like he's drunk. Calling out random kids.
In other news, Marc and his lady bought new bikes yesterday!
He does not look good.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes)
I didnt see him call out any kids?
HE ISNT WEARING ADIDAS IN THAT PICTURE
CONFIRMED MARC OF ADIDAS ON LOAFER
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
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Honest question.
Where was it ever said/confirmed MJ is an alcoholic?
I rememeber him saying he drank pretty heavely during or after fully flared, but I dont recall anything else???
Where?
Shitty buzz if thats the case.
Imo both parties are acting like little bitches. Im not on either side, love em both
Just wish they would handle this shit like grown ass men
Its talked about in his epicly later'd, you don't go 100% sober for that long without having some issues. I just wonder who he's talking about starting a company with all the people they've fucked over. The only people I can really think of them fucking over are Plan B and DC, which was justifiable. The only former rider I can think of who talked shit on them was Jereme Rogers, who seems to of forgiven/is cool with them again. I remember hearing rumblings that Stevie and P-Rod quit over disputed board sales, but neither has said anything like that on record and both speak very highly of Rick and Mike.
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https://instagram.com/p/BFwjrujOf93/ (https://instagram.com/p/BFwjrujOf93/)
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https://instagram.com/p/BFwjrujOf93/ (https://instagram.com/p/BFwjrujOf93/)
hahaha, says the guy who left Lakai to work for Nike!!!
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
Without claiming Marc is drinking again, I'd say the only people who say alcoholism isn't a big problem either are drunks or have never had to deal with them.
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
completely agree... even light alcoholism can be a serious issue
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hahaha, says the guy who left Lakai to work for Nike!!!
This a shot at MJ, Carrol or both?
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
completely agree... even light alcoholism can be a serious issue
Yeah, totally. I think a lot of young people who are still in the innocent skater pile mode think its what they are doing. That kind of drinking is way different. The weekend warrior party style thing is not what we are talking about.
When we are talking alcoholism, the shakes, waking up early to drink before work, not being able to hold a job, stealing shit, finding anyway to get alcohol in you're blood - being dangerously addicted to alcohol. Its way gnarlier than cokem and when its bad it is really bad.
MJs talked a good deal about his alcoholism. I have no idea what his current situation is and probably neither does anyone. But for people like that, and I've known too many, you cant drink. Period. You are sober or you are a run away train.
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Wouldn't look into Bird's IG post too much. It was from the Onion today: http://www.theonion.com/article/report-nobody-fucking-cares-52974 (http://www.theonion.com/article/report-nobody-fucking-cares-52974)
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
Dustin Dollin for example
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwT75IEaLl/)
Sorry I been away.... Just figuring out my next video part
Because we all know Mike Carroll can't....
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwU7rrkaOR/)
I'm gonna call everyone who's ever had a bad experience with you-know-who... And we're gonna start a company
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFwVYBykaPV/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
You want, Mike... Youre gonna get it.
Hahaha fuuuck! Looking through the comments, Marc is responding and seems like he's drunk. Calling out random kids.
In other news, Marc and his lady bought new bikes yesterday!
He does not look good.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFuu43ZHZoG/?taken-by=metropolisbikes)
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
As a bad alcoholic, I must say your totally wrong. It's a physical n mental addiction that is only cured by benzos or alcohol. My life is miserable from this shit. Drinking isn't a glorified thing ya know.
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Skateboarding is fucking crazy now days
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I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore, but, going off on social media is never a good look.
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damn...
(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
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damn...
(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
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Fuuuuuuhhck
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I feel like we're all just getting punked with this drama.
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damn...
(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
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Now we're just making fun of Marc's appearance...
If dude needs help, hope he gets help.
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(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
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Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
Dustin Dollin for example
I never got why people were backing Dustin so hard over that shit. Considering his crew, you'd think he of all people would get that it doesn't work for everybody. Even if sobriety isn't for him, why would you shit on the life choice of a bunch of your close friends? Unless your the worst dude in the room like Kutter said. Yeah some people get annoying and preachy and start thinking everyone should be sober too but does he really think Reynolds et al are worshiping "false gods" or whatever regular shit he said.
Too much dr phil shit going on in here. Yeah marc looks like shit and is probably drinking or whatever but that doesn't mean he's about to pull some amy winehouse type shit. Even in those fully flared years ok he might have been an obnoxious drunk idiot but i don't see how it could be THAT outta hand and still skating at that level
That's the thing, plenty of people are functioning alcoholics. It's no secret that booze/drugs can help some peoples skating up to a certain point. If those people are addicts though it's gonna affect their lives way before it starts to take a physical toll.
Fucking up relationships, like lying straight to your friend even though you know you'll be caught the next day. Just as an example.
WHATEVER, ENOUGH OF THAT SHIT!!! MORE PHOTOSHOPS!!! MORE DICKS!!!
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I hassled MJ on insta for his cat pics. I called him 🐱👵🏻 and got a rise out of him. Sorry MJ it was all in fun. 😘
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ULAs_xUc_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ULAs_xUc_I#)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFw72PiEaE9/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFw72PiEaE9/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/06/jenkem-mix-48-marc-johnsons-hangover-mix/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/05/06/jenkem-mix-48-marc-johnsons-hangover-mix/)
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yooo marc johnson your hat fell on the FLOOOOOOOORR
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WHATEVER, ENOUGH OF THAT SHIT!!! MORE PHOTOSHOPS!!! MORE DICKS!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/yUZFPXO.jpg)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ULAs_xUc_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ULAs_xUc_I#)
Can Wenning join whatever Marc starts? I feel he's the closest thing we could find in skateboarding to Bobandy.
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Witty and subtle insults! What an ideas man! ::)
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I don't know....MJ just looks like a 40 year old. Not everyone can age gracefully. Imagine if he grew out his hair. Dude would look 50.
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how does adidas tolerate this ???
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I don't know....MJ just looks like a 40 year old. Not everyone can age gracefully. Imagine if he grew out his hair. Dude would look 50.
I'm sure smoking 3 packs a day doesn't help much either
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I think attacking MJ for his appearance is low. We're running off of a cliff with mere speculation. His actions online don't do him any justice, including that abomination of an interview with Daewon, but still. If he's in a dark place, I wouldn't want to contribute to fueling his fire.
Sincerely,
A sensitive boy.
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I don't know....MJ just looks like a 40 year old. Not everyone can age gracefully. Imagine if he grew out his hair. Dude would look 50.
I'm sure smoking 3 packs a day doesn't help much either
exactly and he's still in shape/athletic and not all bloated and puffy
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Aw... After Marc's Instagram 'meltdown' this morning I'm beginning to suspect this is all fake. Dammit, it was so entertaining for a minute.
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Would love to hear other pros, insiders opinions on the situation. There's more than we know/speculate
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yo that j-lay x adidas collab is fire
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Aw... After Marc's Instagram 'meltdown' this morning I'm beginning to suspect this is all fake. Dammit, it was so entertaining for a minute.
I don't think it's fake though. I couldn't see adidas being down for it, and there really are catalogs through the summer that have colorways of mj's shoe.
But then again crazier things have happened. I hope it's real as fuq
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I don't know....MJ just looks like a 40 year old. Not everyone can age gracefully. Imagine if he grew out his hair. Dude would look 50.
I'm sure smoking 3 packs a day doesn't help much either
I think anyone that can still jump off the ground at his age is in decent shape. MJ is not a bad looking 40 year old.
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You think Marc would be eternally grateful to everyone at Crailtap for allowing him to have a three song ender part 95% comprised of gutter climbing from boardslides into other tricks...
oh fuck off if youre really going to shit on that part. you back pops too, dont you?
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http://boiltheocean.wordpress.com/ (http://boiltheocean.wordpress.com/) "...Adidas employees and Marc Johnson package up the Lakai shoes and donate them, along with a matching quantity of Adidas skate shoes, to Skateistan, Cuba Skate, Skate for Change and similar charities promoting skating in risky and impoverished nations...after locating the semi, Mike Carroll pulls it around to the heavy ion collider and stuffs a rag into its fuel tank, Marc Johnson lighting it with a cigarette. Rick Howard grabs the bag with the $45 in skatepark funds..."
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WHATEVER, ENOUGH OF THAT SHIT!!! MORE PHOTOSHOPS!!! MORE DICKS!!!
This looks like every other pic of MJ.
*edit: never mind, I see it now. You airbrushed the wrinkles out.
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damn, i would have expected them to have busenitz like drift around going 80mph like need for speed, would have been more fitting.
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You think Marc would be eternally grateful to everyone at Crailtap for allowing him to have a three song ender part 95% comprised of gutter climbing from boardslides into other tricks...
oh fuck off if youre really going to shit on that part. you back pops too, dont you?
Yes and Yes. That part was dated 6 months after it came out. you see anyone doing that pop to decker then climb up into other tricks bullshit anymore? no, because it looks shit and is kind of cheating.
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pop to decker
So skater!
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You think Marc would be eternally grateful to everyone at Crailtap for allowing him to have a three song ender part 95% comprised of gutter climbing from boardslides into other tricks...
oh fuck off if youre really going to shit on that part. you back pops too, dont you?
Yes and Yes. That part was dated 6 months after it came out. you see anyone doing that pop to decker then climb up into other tricks bullshit anymore? no, because it looks shit and is kind of cheating.
At least half of that part is cutting room floor shit. 50-50 late flips and pressure flips? Cannonballs? Tricks over a three-foot-long flat gap? More than one nollie back 360? Stalls? Manual back lips? Fedoras? Also, fuck you for making me rewatch that part to count all of the filler.
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How much of the current output of most pros do you support? Most pros are putting out B-roll level footage on a regular basis via insta and other avenues and still do not have the level of innovation MJ does in that part. And the fedora? Yeah, its corny, but just wait a few years and see how large the pile of corny crap your favorite pros are currently producing is. It will be huge. It always is.
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i thought the cannonball clip was pretty good
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damn...
(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/gillberg_2997.jpg)
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I don't know....MJ just looks like a 40 year old. Not everyone can age gracefully. Imagine if he grew out his hair. Dude would look 50.
He's also ridiculously lean, a condition which at that age tends to produce a gaunt physiognomy.
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I was not expecting to see such immature posts on IG by Marc Johnson, holy shit...feels like he's about to come on here, that would be interesting.
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I wonder if MJ has read this entire thread
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I was not expecting to see such immature posts on IG by Marc Johnson, holy shit...feels like he's about to come on here, that would be interesting.
MJ is Tracer confirmed
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If MJ is Tracer, he actually is a genius.
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I was not expecting to see such immature posts on IG by Marc Johnson
you weren't? :D
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Fuck the haters, they are just a bunch of jealous idiots.
🙌🏻
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Fuck the haters, they are just a bunch of jealous idiots.
🙌🏻
shut up you little bitch
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Mike Carroll Modus Operandi - TransWorld SKATEboarding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rClvsvINLU#)
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This needs to be on every page
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damn...
(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
Pulp - Help The Aged (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bZjKC0EaY0#)
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i know it has nothing to do with anything but it s still kind of funny that they put that in... he s pushing up to the spot in black 'no names' then does the trick in the 3 stripes...
(http://s33.postimg.org/ux357khvf/rtzu.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ux357khvf/)
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Full members: spends too much time talking shit on the forums because you weren't good enough to make a career in skateboarding, bitter and jealous.
I like Mike too, he's a great skateboarder and probably a really nice guy.
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You think Marc would be eternally grateful to everyone at Crailtap for allowing him to have a three song ender part 95% comprised of gutter climbing from boardslides into other tricks...
oh fuck off if youre really going to shit on that part. you back pops too, dont you?
Yes and Yes. That part was dated 6 months after it came out. you see anyone doing that pop to decker then climb up into other tricks bullshit anymore? no, because it looks shit and is kind of cheating.
Damn, dudes are hating on his Fully Flared part now? Shit's crazy B
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No one is "too good" for Chocolate. Also, why insult a "full member" when you're posting on the message board too. Lurking is no better than participating. Glad you finally came out of the "Slap Closet" to enlightenment us with some bullshit post.
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Seriously, fuck off if you're hating on Marc Johnson's Fully Flared part.
I get the hate for him at the moment but, fuck.
but fuck.
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Fire sale
(http://i.imgur.com/tWoRwvv.jpg)
hahaha wow.
also though I can't help but notice the imagery in the banner, is that silhouette doing a frontside heelflip over a teepee? is the owner of that shop native? this whole thing is weird
its form a great, skater owned/operated shop in England. the owner is white but his good friend is indian
i'm gonna let you think about this
hahaha 100%
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I don't know what I dislike more in 2016: the current state of skateboarding or the use of social media?
also, as an over-40 dude myself, I'd just like to say I'm glad of my south american genes. A lot of white people age like shit and I freak out pretty often on facebook when I see pictures of old classmates.
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Jerry should organise an intervention. MJ's Instagram is getting intense.
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Dicky3000 is Marc Johnson, confirmed.
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Another MJ thread. Rad
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MJ on adidas is kind of weird
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what do u guys think about big corporations invading skateboarding? nobody ever talks about that on here =/
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i love that scene in the beauty and the beast epicly later'd where robbie russo accidentally calls mike carroll marc johnson (@ 2:28)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEsMyAVhDaU?t=2m28s
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He deserves to be on A-team again
no one deserves that
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what do u guys think about big corporations invading skateboarding? nobody ever talks about that on here =/
someone got the idea to put skateboarding in the Olympics. Imagine all those "thletes" wearing nothing but adidas and nike( and probably some DC ) being broadcasted worldwide.
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The Shove-it noseslide heard around the world.
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He deserves to be on A-team again
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I don't feel like the decisions the girl/chocolate guys/girls have been doing lately will increase sales...? Rather other way around I would say
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He deserves to be on a team again
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Do you guys think Marc has any info that could put crail under for good? Just playing devil's advocate
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"Marc Johnson, you have always been too good for Chocolate"
troll thread moved and merged into this one?
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damn...
(http://i.imgur.com/AvJk6gj.jpg)
Looks like Addidas sent him for a chemical peel and some botox after reading this thread.
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At it early again:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyr5_ZEaLF/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyr5_ZEaLF/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
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At it early again:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyr5_ZEaLF/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyr5_ZEaLF/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
and this proves... that he wakes up early?
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I report. You decide.
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Yeah its one thing for him to be posting weird rants against Carroll. But the idea that he's posting on the internet early in the morning is bad is...weird. He gets up early? He's been traveling internationally? Ok
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I report. You decide.
Ha
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Yes and yes. That part was dated 6 months after it came out. you see anyone doing that pop to decker then climb up into other tricks bullshit anymore? no, because it looks shit and is kind of cheating.
I always love it anytime I see Spanly do some sort of variation...
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At it early again:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyr5_ZEaLF/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyr5_ZEaLF/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
That fs shove down the three stair is probably my favorite front shove of all time, even to this day.
Also, what I wouldnt do to find a curb-hubba like the one he did the half cab 5050 down. I'd skate nothing but that for a month straight probably, but sadly there are none around here, at least none I can find. If anyone knows of one in the Vegas area holla atcha boi.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyyPc4kaLw/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFyyPc4kaLw/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
(http://i.imgur.com/N64qwwY.jpg)
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Dont you guys see ? MJ is doing a Dark Knight !
"He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight." - Lt. James Gordon
All of this is giving sympathy to Mike and Crailtap . People will buy the shoes and the boards now . People will back it now that they have their villain
He is taking the hate so people will start backing Crailtap again. MJ is BATMAN !
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MJ is BATMAN !
I think he's more of a Harvey Dent
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MJ is jesus with more balls.
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I feel like with all this drama and mess between them the last MJ Lakai shoe would be a collectors item and sales would be through the roof. Can you imagine 10, 20 years from now saying, "yeah I got some original MJ Lakais, last run still in the box foo!"
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have you seen this?
it's this time again.
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I miss Chappelle's Show.
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Man....would be so funny to see MJ back on Enjoi only to have Jerry over on Chocolate. I feel like the only person he would hang out with there is MJ or Chico, and I guess Kenny. Bizarre.
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Welcome to flavour country...
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Man....would be so funny to see MJ back on Enjoi only to have Jerry over on Chocolate. I feel like the only person he would hang out with there is MJ or Chico, and I guess Kenny. Bizarre.
I think he hangs out with some of the Girl guys like Rickk and Mike. Jerry's been LA based for awhile, so its not like he was always hanging out with Enjoi dudes who are mostly in San Jose.
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i know it has nothing to do with anything but it s still kind of funny that they put that in... he s pushing up to the spot in black 'no names' then does the trick in the 3 stripes...
(http://s33.postimg.org/ux357khvf/rtzu.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ux357khvf/)
This is the "Han shot first" of skateboarding. Shoes CGI'd on?
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i know it has nothing to do with anything but it s still kind of funny that they put that in... he s pushing up to the spot in black 'no names' then does the trick in the 3 stripes...
(http://s33.postimg.org/ux357khvf/rtzu.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ux357khvf/)
Nah that'd be way more trouble than it's worth. He just was wearing black shoes in one shot and adidas in another.
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I cannot abide continuity errors in my skate videos.
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I cannot abide continuity errors in my skate videos.
Mike Mo's Nollie Heel in Fully Flared must drive you insane.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFzPx0rkaF8/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFzPx0rkaF8/?taken-by=marcjohnson&hl=en)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qbgln1c.jpg)
Bill Burr was in that sketch folks ...crazy
Isn't Cairo is the TM for Adidas...going back to Enjoi is most likely possible.
Desiigner - Panda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ONTXHS2mM#)
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Bill Burr was in that sketch folks ...crazy
Isn't Cairo is the TM for Adidas...going back to Enjoi is most likely possible.
Desiigner - Panda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ONTXHS2mM#)
Haha, he had a few appearances in Chappelle show, another was as the a cop in the if they treated Corporate criminals like black drug dealers. It was rumored (but pretty sure debunked), that the white guy who was laughing too hard at Chappelle's racial jokes (that made him uncomfortable and quit/go to africa) was Burr.
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Yeah wasn't Bill. Bill is married to a black woman actually.
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Goddamn someone get MJ committed.
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(http://s33.postimg.org/rd5q7yfcv/flatcirc.jpg)
Ha!
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Yeah wasn't Bill. Bill is married to a black woman actually.
Yeah, don't know if he was dating her at the time, and the marriage is recent. Funniest stand up around right now though. Him and Doug Standhope are by far my favorite out of the guys doing netflix specials.
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Ironic, since I'd say MJ is Rick James in that sketch (though I'm sure he thinks of himself as Charlie Murphy)...
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Ironic, since I'd say MJ is Rick James in that sketch (though I'm sure he thinks of himself as Charlie Murphy)...
Someone's instagram handle is "Mel Gibson's Feathered Ass Hair"
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Bill Burr was in that sketch folks ...crazy
Isn't Cairo is the TM for Adidas...going back to Enjoi is most likely possible.
Desiigner - Panda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ONTXHS2mM#)
lol "yea it was crazy your honor and then his wife threw her tits in my hand"
Yea he said that wasn't him on the Opie and Anthony show
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
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Yes! Now I'm going to read everything Marc Johnson says in the voice of Matthew Mcconaughey. Everything just got so much better!
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
The NYC premier was before the Carroll shit storm. I do think its funny that its probably the most negative big move in some time, specially when 2 top veteran pros make the same move and there are 2 completely different reactions to them. Daewon has always reeked positive vibes and deserves the positive reaction while Mj always acted like you were too dumb to understand whats going on in his delusional 12 year old brain. Newsflash MJ, reading few Charles Bukowski books doesn't make you smarter than the skateboarding world.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
The NYC premier was before the Carroll shit storm. I do think its funny that its probably the most negative big move in some time, specially when 2 top veteran pros make the same move and there are 2 completely different reactions to them. Daewon has always reeked positive vibes and deserves the positive reaction while Mj always acted like you were too dumb to understand whats going on in his delusional 12 year old brain. Newsflash MJ, reading few Charles Bukowski books doesn't make you smarter than the skateboarding world.
Oh that's even more interesting maybe they canceled his ticket to SK and he's crying like a little bitch over it. He's got the ex-girlfriend break up on social media thing going on instead of being happy with his new life. He posted a picture of the owners of Girl for crying out loud.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
Obviously this is just a thought I pulled out of my ass, but I would find it hard to believe that Adidas isn't doing everything in their power to have Marc take down these weird videos and he's just not responding to them. As big and corporate of a company as Adidas is, there's no way they're just sitting back and letting him dig himself a deeper hole.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
Obviously this is just a thought I pulled out of my ass, but I would find it hard to believe that Adidas isn't doing everything in their power to have Marc take down these weird videos and he's just not responding to them. As big and corporate of a company as Adidas is, there's no way they're just sitting back and letting him dig himself a deeper hole.
That is unless he's kicked off already
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
Obviously this is just a thought I pulled out of my ass, but I would find it hard to believe that Adidas isn't doing everything in their power to have Marc take down these weird videos and he's just not responding to them. As big and corporate of a company as Adidas is, there's no way they're just sitting back and letting him dig himself a deeper hole.
That is unless he's kicked off already
I'm thinking MJ must have signed a solid contract with Adidas so he just does't care right now.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Maybe it's because Daewon is Asian (yes, I know he's not Korean) and believe it or not adi may only have so much money budgeted to promote this vid and sending MJ to Korea wasn't part of it?
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
Obviously this is just a thought I pulled out of my ass, but I would find it hard to believe that Adidas isn't doing everything in their power to have Marc take down these weird videos and he's just not responding to them. As big and corporate of a company as Adidas is, there's no way they're just sitting back and letting him dig himself a deeper hole.
That is unless he's kicked off already
MJ back on Emerica. Confirmed.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Maybe it's because Daewon is Asian (yes, I know he's not Korean) and believe it or not adi may only have so much money budgeted to promote this vid and sending MJ to Korea wasn't part of it?
He was born in Seoul...
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Who you backing in a fist fight between Carroll and MJ?
MJ
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Yeah wasn't Bill. Bill is married to a black woman actually.
Love Bill & Standhope, pretty sure it was a Slap post that put me on to Bill Burr's pod cast, I owe someone a beer for it.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
Anyone know who their TM/Skaters high up in the brand? Feel someone like Scuba (TM for Nike) would of known that putting in that intro clip would of been a bad idea. Nike's casual intro of Guy in the Koston part, was a much better way, than that weird two minute clip of driving Daewon around and having the "Introducing Part." That and the whole Snoop coaching, and telling someone to skate faster like "Den Den" (Busenitz) seemed so forced like it was put in by a marketing department, not an editor or any person with a skate background. Crailtap Pretty Sweet and Yeah right are different cuz u know its Spike behind it. The whole video seems off even with amazing skating, thought I need to see it in better quality.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
i know paul shier's a TM
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
you got it man. this whole affair is basically just cracks in the faade. up to now, their marketing team was doing well putting on a for skaters vibe... now they've kinda blown it and mj's sweet nuthins on Instagram aren't helping.
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MJ
Fred Gall
Greg Carroll.....
https://youtu.be/0qYoWV1meZg (https://youtu.be/0qYoWV1meZg)
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I know there's a way to work MJ into this I'm just too lazy to do it
True Detective: The truth about Rust. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8TfVzbxGQ#)
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The lost Carroll part?
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Maybe it's because Daewon is Asian (yes, I know he's not Korean) and believe it or not adi may only have so much money budgeted to promote this vid and sending MJ to Korea wasn't part of it?
He was born in Seoul...
I thought he was Filipino. My bad.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Forget Marc Johnson's deception and general shittiness, Adidas is probably wincing at this whole ordeal too. Adidas skateboarding was - up until the night of the premier - a brand that gained acceptance through slowly building its team, putting out enjoyable free content, and listening to its customers. Then in one moment it was gone; they were now a giant entity swooping up A-List skaters because they can.
They lost a fan in me as a result, that's for sure.
Obviously this is just a thought I pulled out of my ass, but I would find it hard to believe that Adidas isn't doing everything in their power to have Marc take down these weird videos and he's just not responding to them. As big and corporate of a company as Adidas is, there's no way they're just sitting back and letting him dig himself a deeper hole.
That is unless he's kicked off already
I'm thinking MJ must have signed a solid contract with Adidas so he just does't care right now.
I would think so too, but MJ is a pompous asshole...I would think he'd be flaunting adidas out the ass but he's not...he fell off yo, he's fucking up.
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Put it this way...Adidas flew Daewon Song out to South Korea to promote Away Days and Marc Johnson went and bought a fix gear with his chick near North Hollywood. That's fucking hilarious. Shit must have hit the fan after Mike Carroll's Jenkem interview. There is no doubt with his recent posts not a single one promoting Adidas. Well they did fly him out to the NYC premier, but they didn't immediately fly him overseas like they did for Daewon.
Maybe it's because Daewon is Asian (yes, I know he's not Korean) and believe it or not adi may only have so much money budgeted to promote this vid and sending MJ to Korea wasn't part of it?
He was born in Seoul...
I thought he was Filipino. My bad.
The name alone screams, "I'm not Filipino."
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Nike and Adidas are here to help skateboarding realize it's time to submit to a new order, and guys like Marc Johnson, Brink, and Sinclair have all finally dropped their egos and realized this is the age of selling out. Because of this they will all benefit from the fruits that this beast has to offer, and in time Guys like Carrol will wish they saw things differently, especially when their starving and start killing each other over the last drop of breast milk from the only pregnant chick in the FEMA prisoner camps that await us.
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Nike and Adidas are here to help skateboarding realize it's time to submit to a new order, and guys like Marc Johnson, Brink, and Sinclair have all finally dropped their egos and realized this is the age of selling out. Because of this they will all benefit from the fruits that this beast has to offer, and in time Guys like Carrol will wish they saw things differently, especially when their starving and start killing each other over the last drop of breast milk from the only pregnant chick in the FEMA prisoner camps that await us.
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Nike and Adidas are here to help skateboarding realize it's time to submit to a new order, and guys like Marc Johnson, Brink, and Sinclair have all finally dropped their egos and realized this is the age of selling out. Because of this they will all benefit from the fruits that this beast has to offer, and in time Guys like Carrol will wish they saw things differently, especially when their starving and start killing each other over the last drop of breast milk from the only pregnant chick in the FEMA prisoner camps that await us.
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I was thinking the same thing...I wonder if MJ has made about six newbie accounts on here and is drunk somewhere, stirring the pot...
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Nike and Adidas are here to help skateboarding realize it's time to submit to a new order, and guys like Marc Johnson, Brink, and Sinclair have all finally dropped their egos and realized this is the age of selling out. Because of this they will all benefit from the fruits that this beast has to offer, and in time Guys like Carrol will wish they saw things differently, especially when their starving and start killing each other over the last drop of breast milk from the only pregnant chick in the FEMA prisoner camps that await us.
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I was thinking the same thing...I wonder if MJ has made about six newbie accounts on here and is drunk somewhere, stirring the pot...
So wait? Working a relatively minor Nike or Adidas job will save people from a FEMA death camp. I doubt its MJ but I wish it was. It sounds like some deluded thing he would read then talk about.
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Marc Johnson, Rob Brink, and Mike Sinclair. Please keep repeating to yourselves the aforementioned until you get the joke.
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nothing is over until WE say it is!!!
ANIMAL HOUSE Bluto's Germans Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zc0BI7T1LA#)
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Off Slap a few days.
Thread almost doubles in size.
Still nothing of substance to come of this situation.
Let me add to the circular discussion:
Hurry up with the rebuttal MJ, your corny ass Instagram's aren't cutting it...
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using a r Kelly song was probably the worst decision. Damn i wished he had thought that through.
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using a r Kelly song was probably the worst decision. Damn i wished he had thought that through.
He thinks he's on some tortured genius shit, "like i really relate to what he's saying man."
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
"Marc, not only were you wearing Lakais in that, but there was a giant lakai logo dashing across the background multiple times. Didn't you build like a bunch of shit at your house that you could have just filmed something really quick? God damnit, Marc. Use your bald head." Herbert Hainer, Global Chief Executive Officer
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
whats weird about that is when they first got that warehouse space, there was giant logos for all their sponsors (Girl/Choc/Lakai/Spitfire, etc.) and in any of the newer stuff, you can see all the logos are gone, except maybe the Spitfire one. If you look behind that faux brick bank thing, you can see where the chocolate "chunk" logo was. But that was gone a while back.
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Marc is kooking it so hard, just stop already. Am i the only one that noticed that he is skating in dickies in that last clip?
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
whats weird about that is when they first got that warehouse space, there was giant logos for all their sponsors (Girl/Choc/Lakai/Spitfire, etc.) and in any of the newer stuff, you can see all the logos are gone, except maybe the Spitfire one. �If you look behind that faux brick bank thing, you can see where the chocolate "chunk" logo was. �But that was gone a while back. �
Owner disagreements? I mean, AVE owns space too. You can assume that the sponsors have contributed some funds to the park in exchange for those giant logos. Maybe they just couldn't figure out how to make everyone's sponsors happy. I'd say behind the ledge is prime logo real estate as you'll get the most visibility. Maybe they just got rid of them to not conflict. It's not like AVE films anything there anyways though.
Funny enough, I've heard there's some owner beef. Like, AVE and those guys will leave if Biebel shows up I guess. FA dudes skate there super late at night. While Biebs crew usually takes the day shift. Kinda stupid, you'd think they would all be cool with each other since they all pay rent.
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Marc is kooking it so hard, just stop already. Am i the only one that noticed that he is skating in dickies in that last clip?
Doesn't everyone skate in dickies?
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Marc is kooking it so hard, just stop already. Am i the only one that noticed that he is skating in dickies in that last clip?
Doesn't everyone skate in dickies?
I dont believe they should if they are getting paid by a clothing sponsor to wear their shit (Matix). I remember when Biebel got kicked of Matix for wearing a Diamond t-shirt. Then again this is Marc fucking Johnson, the guys that was skating in Nikes in an Emerica demo.
It be in typical Marc humor for him to skate Lakai's while now finally being sponsored by Adidas.
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
whats weird about that is when they first got that warehouse space, there was giant logos for all their sponsors (Girl/Choc/Lakai/Spitfire, etc.) and in any of the newer stuff, you can see all the logos are gone, except maybe the Spitfire one. �If you look behind that faux brick bank thing, you can see where the chocolate "chunk" logo was. �But that was gone a while back. �
Owner disagreements? I mean, AVE owns space too. You can assume that the sponsors have contributed some funds to the park in exchange for those giant logos. Maybe they just couldn't figure out how to make everyone's sponsors happy. I'd say behind the ledge is prime logo real estate as you'll get the most visibility. Maybe they just got rid of them to not conflict. It's not like AVE films anything there anyways though.
Funny enough, I've heard there's some owner beef. Like, AVE and those guys will leave if Biebel shows up I guess. FA dudes skate there super late at night. While Biebs crew usually takes the day shift. Kinda stupid, you'd think they would all be cool with each other since they all pay rent.
Has anyone heard anything about this? Everything I have read is that Biebel is pretty well liked by all, not that I would know.
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
whats weird about that is when they first got that warehouse space, there was giant logos for all their sponsors (Girl/Choc/Lakai/Spitfire, etc.) and in any of the newer stuff, you can see all the logos are gone, except maybe the Spitfire one. �If you look behind that faux brick bank thing, you can see where the chocolate "chunk" logo was. �But that was gone a while back. �
Owner disagreements? I mean, AVE owns space too. You can assume that the sponsors have contributed some funds to the park in exchange for those giant logos. Maybe they just couldn't figure out how to make everyone's sponsors happy. I'd say behind the ledge is prime logo real estate as you'll get the most visibility. Maybe they just got rid of them to not conflict. It's not like AVE films anything there anyways though.
Funny enough, I've heard there's some owner beef. Like, AVE and those guys will leave if Biebel shows up I guess. FA dudes skate there super late at night. While Biebs crew usually takes the day shift. Kinda stupid, you'd think they would all be cool with each other since they all pay rent.
Has anyone heard anything about this? Everything I have read is that Biebel is pretty well liked by all, not that I would know.
Sounds like made up bullshit to me. All I know is they had the Analog logo in there and changed it to say Anal after they went under. Maybe they got tired of fucking putting up shit and then taking it down right after because everyone there is changing sponsors every other day.
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Holy shitty titties I go out of town for a little over a week and come back to a massive 40 page thread and a crazy Carroll interview.
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Holy shitty titties I go out of town for a little over a week and come back to a massive 40 page thread and a crazy Carroll interview.
Let this be a lesson to you, good sir.
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I really am not enjoying seeing MJ this way and the whole thing is a bummer. but I will say that after reading the adidas had been trying to get MJ for years, watching it immediately blow up into a PR nightmare once they finally signed him is pretty delightful.
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speculation on who he'll have the interview come out with? i'd love to say jenkem but i bet adidas HQ will get him more money from a bigger outlet like thrasher or transworld or something. although i feel like phelps would back carroll over MJ, so maybe just TWS.
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Some cringe-y observations made and wild conclusions being drawn..
this could be SLAPs epitaph.
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=although i feel like phelps would back carroll over MJ, =
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
"Marc, not only were you wearing Lakais in that, but there was a giant lakai logo dashing across the background multiple times. Didn't you build like a bunch of shit at your house that you could have just filmed something really quick? God damnit, Marc. Use your bald head." Herbert Hainer, Global Chief Executive Officer
Its funny cause its true :D
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speculation on who he'll have the interview come out with? i'd love to say jenkem but i bet adidas HQ will get him more money from a bigger outlet like thrasher or transworld or something. although i feel like phelps would back carroll over MJ, so maybe just TWS.
It would probably make the most sense with Jenkem--they seem to have a connection with Marc, it's where he did the initial interview that somewhat spurred one part of the issue, they published MC's interview so it makes sense to have the response in the same venue, and Jenkem spoke to Marc when he was in NYC for the premiere there and gave him a heads up on the Carroll interview. It just doesn't see my o make sense that he would address it elsewhere and then probably have to talk around the source.
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speculation on who he'll have the interview come out with? i'd love to say jenkem but i bet adidas HQ will get him more money from a bigger outlet like thrasher or transworld or something. although i feel like phelps would back carroll over MJ, so maybe just TWS.
It would probably make the most sense with Jenkem--they seem to have a connection with Marc, it's where he did the initial interview that somewhat spurred one part of the issue, they published MC's interview so it makes sense to have the response in the same venue, and Jenkem spoke to Marc when he was in NYC for the premiere there and gave him a heads up on the Carroll interview. It just doesn't see my o make sense that he would address it elsewhere and then probably have to talk around the source.
Adidas probably doesn't even want an interview addressing it, so they probably don't care about the platform. My guess if it is addressed it is done with Jenkem. This has made Adidas look really bad, most people ignored the shady aspects of them for years to bash Nike, and now the week and half since their premire they are catching more heat than ever.
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speculation on who he'll have the interview come out with? i'd love to say jenkem but i bet adidas HQ will get him more money from a bigger outlet like thrasher or transworld or something. although i feel like phelps would back carroll over MJ, so maybe just TWS.
It would probably make the most sense with Jenkem--they seem to have a connection with Marc, it's where he did the initial interview that somewhat spurred one part of the issue, they published MC's interview so it makes sense to have the response in the same venue, and Jenkem spoke to Marc when he was in NYC for the premiere there and gave him a heads up on the Carroll interview. It just doesn't see my o make sense that he would address it elsewhere and then probably have to talk around the source.
It didn't though, it just made MJ look bad. All Adidas did was sign a new rider, which they did. MJ was the one who dealt with it poorly.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
not until the puigs come out
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
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I bought the white leather Busenitz because I refuse to let the politics of the skateboard industry to interfere with me being fly as fuck at all times.
Edit. I bought them last Wednesday
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It didn't though, it just made MJ look bad. All Adidas did was sign a new rider, which they did. MJ was the one who dealt with it poorly.
i wonder how that went at adidas. they had to know he was under contract already? did marc tell them he got out of it which he hadn't? did they tell him it didn't matter and their lawyers would handle the complications?
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
yep. busenitz mid. they are simply marvelous.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Never been a fan of their shoes and never will. Poorly made in my opinion. I mean if you compare them to Nike I don't think they're even in the same ball park. My friends flow for them and his are always getting blown out in the worst way. This whole MJ vs MC debate is just another reason why I will never had them over my money.
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I'd recommend Vans over Nike or adidas. Can't see why real skaters ever bought Nikes (or adidas for that matter) can't fathom it.
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Because vans are poorly made shit bags and adidas and Nike can be found on sale easily
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
yep. busenitz mid. they are simply marvelous.
Haven't tried those yet but definitely want to eventually. Also thinking of half sizing down and giving the silas another go
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
I recently bought the Adidas x Altimers track jacket right before the Daewon and MJ news. Haven't bought a pair of shoes ....yet. I'm considering it but skate wise I'm still stuck on the Emerica Figgys and thinking of either getting the Hsu's or Reynolds cupsoles next.
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Because vans are poorly made shit bags and adidas and Nike can be found on sale easily
vans gas heritage but are owned by a big mega corp too. sole tech is one of the only independent larger skate footwear companies.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
yep. busenitz mid. they are simply marvelous.
Haven't tried those yet but definitely want to eventually. Also thinking of half sizing down and giving the silas another go
went half size down for the buz mids. fit perfect. move fast because they already got the axe. no more.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Never been a fan of their shoes and never will. Poorly made in my opinion. I mean if you compare them to Nike I don't think they're even in the same ball park. My friends flow for them and his are always getting blown out in the worst way. This whole MJ vs MC debate is just another reason why I will never had them over my money.
for what its worth, luca's first pro shoe on adidas was hands down the best shoe ive ever skated and i wish they never stopped making it. durable as hell and feather light.
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Never been a fan of their shoes and never will. Poorly made in my opinion. I mean if you compare them to Nike I don't think they're even in the same ball park.
As someone who's skated multiple pairs of different models of each, I can tell you you're definitely wrong on that.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
yep. busenitz mid.� they are simply marvelous.�
Haven't tried those yet but definitely want to eventually.� Also thinking of half sizing down and giving the silas another go
went half size down for the buz mids. fit perfect. move fast because they already got the axe. no more.
Fuck ... already!!!
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Never been a fan of their shoes and never will. Poorly made in my opinion. I mean if you compare them to Nike I don't think they're even in the same ball park. My friends flow for them and his are always getting blown out in the worst way. This whole MJ vs MC debate is just another reason why I will never had them over my money.
for what its worth, luca's first pro shoe on adidas was hands down the best shoe ive ever skated and i wish they never stopped making it. durable as hell and feather light.
Yeah, I had 3 pairs of them. Great fucking shoe. Looking forward to seeing what he puts out next.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
Lol. You all are really ridiculous.
Did all of you boycot vans when their star rider broke his back and instead of covering his costs they had him begging online for donations to help with transport back to the US? I found that much more egregious than any corpo shoe co moves, but maybe I'm just out of touch.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
Lol. You all are really ridiculous.
Did all of you boycot vans when their star rider broke his back and instead of covering his costs they had him begging online for donations to help with transport back to the US? I found that much more egregious than any corpo shoe co moves, but maybe I'm just out of touch.
Fuck Vans too.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
Lol. You all are really ridiculous.
Did all of you boycot vans when their star rider broke his back and instead of covering his costs they had him begging online for donations to help with transport back to the US? I found that much more egregious than any corpo shoe co moves, but maybe I'm just out of touch.
Fuck Vans too.
Why don't you get in touch with Cards and see if he agrees? Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
Lol. You all are really ridiculous.
Did all of you boycot vans when their star rider broke his back and instead of covering his costs they had him begging online for donations to help with transport back to the US? I found that much more egregious than any corpo shoe co moves, but maybe I'm just out of touch.
Fuck Vans too.
Why don't you get in touch with Cards and see if he agrees? Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
I agree with you about Cards, but on the other hand, talking shit about what you don't know is kinda the premise of this whole message board, for better or worse.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
Lol. You all are really ridiculous.
Did all of you boycot vans when their star rider broke his back and instead of covering his costs they had him begging online for donations to help with transport back to the US? I found that much more egregious than any corpo shoe co moves, but maybe I'm just out of touch.
Fuck Vans too.
Why don't you get in touch with Cards and see if he agrees? Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
I agree with you about Cards, but on the other hand, talking shit about what you don't know is kinda the premise of this whole message board, for better or worse.
Yeah, I should really know better. 41 pages deep too.
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
Fuck no. Anyone who wears 11.5 and is shopping for the classics (OG Lucas White, Black, and black/white, OG Boozentits Red, OG Silas Aluminum, All the Nestor Adiease, and German Boozentits ADV. Some are like new, some are skated) Hit me up. I'm selling my whole archive. I would prefer a bulk sale before I go to ebay individually.
Lol. You all are really ridiculous.
Did all of you boycot vans when their star rider broke his back and instead of covering his costs they had him begging online for donations to help with transport back to the US? I found that much more egregious than any corpo shoe co moves, but maybe I'm just out of touch.
Fuck Vans too.
Why don't you get in touch with Cards and see if he agrees? Don't talk shit about what you don't know.
I agree with you about Cards, but on the other hand, talking shit about what you don't know is kinda the premise of this whole message board, for better or worse.
Yeah, I should really know better. 41 pages deep too.
Fuck Vans for discontinuing the gel insoles. Fuck adidas for constantly discontinuing the best shoes and running a shitty premiere where I got treated like an asshole by their idiotic event staff. Then this fiasco happened.
And I will talk shit about whatever fucking company I want to. I wear Nike and New Balance because they work for me. Every Lakai I've owned so far has been defective, despite me trying to sincerely support them for years. The new models look sick though.
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Fuck Adidas for making Gipper all upset
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Fuck Adidas for making Gipper all upset
Id be fuckin pissed too if I skated all the way to the premier only to realize my vehicle was parked outside the event.
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Fuck Adidas for making Gipper all upset
Id be fuckin pissed too if I skated all the way to the premier only to realize my vehicle was parked outside the event.
(http://www.nickgrossman.is/wp-content/uploads/dude-wheres-my-car.jpg)
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
yep. busenitz mid.� they are simply marvelous.�
Haven't tried those yet but definitely want to eventually.� Also thinking of half sizing down and giving the silas another go
went half size down for the buz mids. fit perfect. move fast because they already got the axe. no more.
That's laughable. Adidas needs to atleast give the shoes that they take a little risk on the design more than season or two to gain some traction. Too many great shoes vanish. We all better hop on the new lucas before its dropped by next summer.
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I loved the OG Lucas but didn't anyone else find once the stitching around the toe cap wore it blew out easily, apart from that I loved them, fit and weight wise.
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Did anyone notice that we're talking about Busenitz's and Puig's shoes AND THOSE TWO LEFT DVS AND LAKAI FOR ADIDAS!!!
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Did anyone notice that we're talking about Busenitz's and Puig's shoes AND THOSE TWO LEFT DVS AND LAKAI FOR ADIDAS!!!
Yeah but they sold out before it wasn't cool to sell out. 8)
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Did anyone notice that we're talking about Busenitz's and Puig's shoes AND THOSE TWO LEFT DVS AND LAKAI FOR ADIDAS!!!
I personally can't wait for the MJ 3 stripe model.
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You sneakerhead fanboys are the lamest people ever. You guys the type to match sneakers with a suit at a wedding and think its acceptable because they are expensive? Adult men drooling over sneakers is pathetic. "I can't wait for the new adidas MJ's!" YOU HAVEN'T EVEN FUCKING SEEN THEM YOU DORKS
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Fuck Adidas for making Gipper all upset
Id be fuckin pissed too if I skated all the way to the premier only to realize my vehicle was parked outside the event.
I'll be real, both of these comments made me laugh.
Remember when Vans dropped cards after being injured and not skating at a pro level for a decade? Me neither.
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Honestly, I dont know who Mike Carroll thinks he is.
Yeah, MJ lied. He's read more books than Carroll. I'm sure he didnt felt like behaving normally and saying politely to Carroll something like: I'm leaving your company, I have an offer I cant refuse. You can imagine two ways Carrolll woulda reacted: faking coolness while he finishes his beer, or acting strangely and hurt MJ in a psychotic way.
An employee backing out in a disrespectful way, and all Carroll does is talk shit about him in the press, mumble about how he will sue him, act like a raging CEO, and overall jeopardize, sink and destroy his companies, declaring bankrupcy and depict them as a failure.
I have to speak the truth now. Crailtap boards break so fucking easily. Lakais look like cheap as fuck shoes, like shopping mall shoes. Hell, nobody recognizes the brand, I'd rather wear janoskis and look like a jock. Girl t-shirts are obviously bought by pretentious rich kids.
I dont know if I'm finished yet, but I dont want to talk about this shit anymore. I feel like I'm hating, even though I'm obviously am.
Who would tell me it's so easy to influence skateboarding in a meaningful way. You just have to appear to not have an education and be above everything.
I hope Mike Carroll dies.
I hope MJ gets over himself.
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Honestly, I dont know who Mike Carroll thinks he is.
Yeah, MJ lied. He's read more books than Carroll. I'm sure he didnt felt like behaving normally and saying politely to Carroll something like: I'm leaving your company, I have an offer I cant refuse. You can imagine two ways Carrolll woulda reacted: faking coolness while he finishes his beer, or acting strangely and hurt MJ in a psychotic way.
An employee backing out in a disrespectful way, and all Carroll does is talk shit about him in the press, mumble about how he will sue him, act like a raging CEO, and overall jeopardize, sink and destroy his companies, declaring bankrupcy and depict them as a failure.
I have to speak the truth now. Crailtap boards break so fucking easily. Lakais look like cheap as fuck shoes, like shopping mall shoes. Hell, nobody recognizes the brand, I'd rather wear janoskis and look like a jock. Girl t-shirts are obviously bought by pretentious rich kids.
I dont know if I'm finished yet, but I dont want to talk about this shit anymore. I feel like I'm hating, even though I'm obviously am.
Who would tell me it's so easy to influence skateboarding in a meaningful way. You just have to appear to not have an education and be above everything.
I hope Mike Carroll dies.
I hope MJ gets over himself.
MJ smart confirmed.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
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Oh didn't know that about vans (thanks). I guess I'll find out what "sole tech" is and buy them. I like the dressier looking skate shoes.
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Did anyone notice that we're talking about Busenitz's and Puig's shoes AND THOSE TWO LEFT DVS AND LAKAI FOR ADIDAS!!!
I personally can't wait for the MJ 3 stripe model.
Weren't the MJ2 or 3 cease and desisted by Adidas for being a Superstar clone?
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
its just pointless drama, in my first post in the thread I even said that after this is all over, everybody is still going to be excited for new footage from both of them.
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
(http://i.imgur.com/XrTnbar.jpg?1)
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Lakais look like cheap as fuck shoes, like shopping mall shoes. Hell, nobody recognizes the brand, I'd rather wear janoskis and look like a jock.
I found this very ironic. I distinctly remember wanting skate shoes when I was in my early teens. The ones where nobody recognized the brand, so I would not look like the shopping mall kids.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
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Marc Johnson stood on Mike Carroll's shoulders. If what he and the rest of EMB were doing didn't happen, there would be no Marc Johnson, and that's not an insult to Marc at all. You can basically substitute every tech skater since then's name with Marc's in that sentence and it would still be true.
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Lakais look like cheap as fuck shoes, like shopping mall shoes. Hell, nobody recognizes the brand, I'd rather wear janoskis and look like a jock.
I found this very ironic. I distinctly remember wanting skate shoes when I was in my early teens. The ones where nobody recognized the brand, so I would not look like the shopping mall kids.
Kids used to make funny of my "shitty k-mart shoes" in high school....they were DC's. Ironically, these days I'm sure the type of kids who made fun of me rock DC gear.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
regular logic but... I'm pretty sure Carroll has done handrail stuff Marc couldn't do. Also, I would defy Marc to do a japan air unironically
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Yep. The white/green Away Days AdiEase just out of support of Dae. No bullshitting. And the Suciu ADV.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
I doubt it, all you have seen is what Mike wishes to put out there, I have seen him back in the day at a Emb and Pier 7 doing loads of tricks he never put out. They are both incredible and Carroll can do whatever he wants on a board, watch him skate a mini ramp
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Who needs Marc when you got the Birdman?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0nHSMM_69w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0nHSMM_69w#)
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
I doubt it, all you have seen is what Mike wishes to put out there, I have seen him back in the day at a Emb and Pier 7 doing loads of tricks he never put out. They are both incredible and Carroll can do whatever he wants on a board, watch him skate a mini ramp
Same can be said footage wise for MJ.
Id love to see MC mini ramp footage though, for sure.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
I doubt it, all you have seen is what Mike wishes to put out there, I have seen him back in the day at a Emb and Pier 7 doing loads of tricks he never put out. They are both incredible and Carroll can do whatever he wants on a board, watch him skate a mini ramp
Same can be said footage wise for MJ.
Id love to see MC mini ramp footage though, for sure.
3:45 :-*
Cheese And Crackers Friends Part [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW76m-Kr-OQ#)
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
I doubt it, all you have seen is what Mike wishes to put out there, I have seen him back in the day at a Emb and Pier 7 doing loads of tricks he never put out. They are both incredible and Carroll can do whatever he wants on a board, watch him skate a mini ramp
Same can be said footage wise for MJ.
Id love to see MC mini ramp footage though, for sure.
3:45 :-*
Cheese And Crackers Friends Part [HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW76m-Kr-OQ#)
I remember that footy, that salad is very nice!
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Well yeah MC is more influential than MJ. MC was involved in the heaviest generation of skaters who moved the industry forward on the DIY/SaD ethos and opened the flood gates of wildly creative approaches to all terrain. They burned the rule book. Sadly they would eventually write one and become the stagnant industry they reinvented. By hey, skateboarding is bigger than any one person or company and is in its way a Phoenix.
MJ came up in an awkward time when skating was SD/TWS based and all content was controlled by a bunch of turds reminiscent of the '80s.
I love both dudes for what they have contributed, and I will ride or die for MJ, but if anyone tries to say MC takes a back seat they are going to get a punch in the nose.
We will never really know the whole story about why/how this shit went down. And who really cares? I assume there was a ton of equally terrible shit that happened while MC and company were establishing girl and crailtap that we never heard of. No one is innocent so stop grooming whatever golden calf you think you're backing.
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Yeah but MC doesnt got shit on gino right?😂😂😂
Anyhow, love em both. Both influence me, just at different times
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it's this time again.
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I knew this thread would eventually turn to who is a "better" skater,which is regular. That said- Marc Johnson is an all-time great. All-time. But Mike Carroll is an undeniable legend, a pillar of skateboarding and honestly right behind the Gonz and Natas in terms of influencing modern street. It's not even close. He's top 5 ever, while MJ is probably somewhere near 15.
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Matt hensley, jason lee, mike vallely, ray barbee, frankie hill, tommy guerrero, rodney mullen, eric koston, salmon agah, henry sanchez just to name a few.
Neither MC or MJ are in the top 5 imo
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has anyone bought a pair of adidas since all this news came out?
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Yeah but MC doesnt got shit on gino right?😂😂😂
Anyhow, love em both. Both influence me, just at different times
You're an idiot.
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Only guys from Carroll's era or peers who are as influential as him are Koston, Daewon and Guy, could probably put Henry Sanchez in the mix but his career ended way before those dudes, but Pack Of Lies changed shit. MJ is sick, but I wouldn't put him close to Carroll on influence. While I think the list was sort of stupid, when Transworld did there 30 and listed the top 30 most influential, it had some really dumb shit (Like Stevie Williams on it, over guys like MJ, Rick Howard, etc), it is telling.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
Ha. This is so dumb. Marc Johnson is a good skateboarder. Mike Carroll is an icon who influenced most of his peers.
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Haha don't let one poster tell you Marc Johnson is more legendary than Mike Carroll. Cmon players
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
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Matt hensley, jason lee, mike vallely, ray barbee, frankie hill, tommy guerrero, rodney mullen, eric koston, salmon agah, henry sanchez just to name a few.
Neither MC or MJ are in the top 5 imo
Classics: Mark Gonzales (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozwYf4AdhI8#)
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Honestly, I dont know who Mike Carroll thinks he is.
Yeah, MJ lied. He's read more books than Carroll. I'm sure he didnt felt like behaving normally and saying politely to Carroll something like: I'm leaving your company, I have an offer I cant refuse. You can imagine two ways Carrolll woulda reacted: faking coolness while he finishes his beer, or acting strangely and hurt MJ in a psychotic way.
An employee backing out in a disrespectful way, and all Carroll does is talk shit about him in the press, mumble about how he will sue him, act like a raging CEO, and overall jeopardize, sink and destroy his companies, declaring bankrupcy and depict them as a failure.
I have to speak the truth now. Crailtap boards break so fucking easily. Lakais look like cheap as fuck shoes, like shopping mall shoes. Hell, nobody recognizes the brand, I'd rather wear janoskis and look like a jock. Girl t-shirts are obviously bought by pretentious rich kids.
I dont know if I'm finished yet, but I dont want to talk about this shit anymore. I feel like I'm hating, even though I'm obviously am.
Who would tell me it's so easy to influence skateboarding in a meaningful way. You just have to appear to not have an education and be above everything.
I hope Mike Carroll dies.
I hope MJ gets over himself.
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Honestly, I dont know who Mike Carroll thinks he is.
Yeah, MJ lied. He's read more books than Carroll. I'm sure he didnt felt like behaving normally and saying politely to Carroll something like: I'm leaving your company, I have an offer I cant refuse. You can imagine two ways Carrolll woulda reacted: faking coolness while he finishes his beer, or acting strangely and hurt MJ in a psychotic way.
An employee backing out in a disrespectful way, and all Carroll does is talk shit about him in the press, mumble about how he will sue him, act like a raging CEO, and overall jeopardize, sink and destroy his companies, declaring bankrupcy and depict them as a failure.
I have to speak the truth now. Crailtap boards break so fucking easily. Lakais look like cheap as fuck shoes, like shopping mall shoes. Hell, nobody recognizes the brand, I'd rather wear janoskis and look like a jock. Girl t-shirts are obviously bought by pretentious rich kids.
I dont know if I'm finished yet, but I dont want to talk about this shit anymore. I feel like I'm hating, even though I'm obviously am.
Who would tell me it's so easy to influence skateboarding in a meaningful way. You just have to appear to not have an education and be above everything.
I hope Mike Carroll dies.
I hope MJ gets over himself.
Yeah to all of this. Just not in such a hostile way.
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Who Mike Carroll thinks he is?
1994 SOTY
Prince of EMB
God of style
Or maybe that's just who everybody else thinks he is
Still an asshole however.
And it can be argued MJ is just as influencial in skateboarding as MC
MJ is without a doubt the better skateboarder, and has a timeless style as well.
Either way this doesnt really affect any of us in the grand scale of things ao why do we give a collective ahit is beyond me???
And MJ as influential as Mike Carroll? NEVER.
I like both of their skating, and assume both are probably assholes, but Mike Carroll is God.
MJ and MC are bothe very influencial. Either way whatever.
Im more stoked on MJ footage than MC, but I understand its vice versa for many.
Just out of curiousity. At both skaters peak, what MC trick do you think MJ could not do?
Not that that means much but I know a shitload of MJ tricks MC could never do.
Anyhow, I wish I could frontside flip that bench in golfish exactly how MC did it, fuckin beautiful
THPS logic
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
That would be cool to see!
And what the fuck is thps logic?
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
That would be cool to see!
And what the fuck is thps logic?
You haven't seen Questionable?
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
That would be cool to see!
And what the fuck is thps logic?
You haven't seen Questionable?
Of course! Just not for a long fuckin time
Ill have to rewatch it, I honestly dont remember MC skating vert in there
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
That would be cool to see!
And what the fuck is thps logic?
I guess just thinking of tricks in terms of their face value in judging influence. In reference to the point about MC not being able to do some of MJs tricks.
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
That would be cool to see!
And what the fuck is thps logic?
You haven't seen Questionable?
Of course! Just not for a long fuckin time
Ill have to rewatch it, I honestly dont remember MC skating vert in there
Mike Carroll - Questionable (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjtbkhLVRA8#)
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Ah I can see why it slipped my mind. Its cool and all but its nothing crazy.
My fav carroll footage is virtual reality and goldfish. Modus is badass too
Thanks for posting that up! I miss those days of skating
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I've seen footage of Carroll skating vert pretty damned well too
That would be cool to see!
And what the fuck is thps logic?
around 98 or 2000, I saw Carroll mess around on the vert ramp at the Lausanne contest. effortless back smith with no pads is the one trick I remember vividly. blew my mind at the time, cause I thought street guys only skated street.
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Slap can sometimes be a sad place. You guys are taking this whole thing way too seriously. We're not debating America's foreign policy or the AIDS crisis in Africa. This whole thread is just about two dudes who gave us amazing parts, and also gave alot to the culture, but are now taking their personnal issues pubicly, in a very immature way. For them, it means their whole lives, but for us, it should just be some wooden toy entertainment. Your lives are worth more than being spent writting 5000 words over bullshit.
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Slap can sometimes be a sad place. You guys are taking this whole thing way too seriously. We're not debating America's foreign policy or the AIDS crisis in Africa. This whole thread is just about two dudes who gave us amazing parts, and also gave alot to the culture, but are now taking their personnal issues pubicly, in a very immature way. For them, it means their whole lives, but for us, it should just be some wooden toy entertainment. Your lives are worth more than being spent writting 5000 words over bullshit.
True. But only one of them had their shoe reissued by supreme so....
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Carroll and his buddies invented modern street skating and then about a year or 2 later Marc Johnson showed up with his huge level of perfection and tech. But he didn't invent anything or inspire an entire cultrure like Mike Carroll and co. It's easy for all these late grads to think that Mike Carroll and Marc Johnson are peers. (they are not)
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Who needs Marc when you got the Birdman?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0nHSMM_69w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0nHSMM_69w#)
*I think they are lakai's
I can't believe neither of them thought to try to push off and just Ollie. Did the concept of just trying to roll at all not occur to them? Looked fun as hell though...
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Although the companies are struggling at the moment you have to give Carroll credit for his contributions as a business owner. All of his brands are one point were very successful and influential, he was focused on managing these brands while all MJs job was to focus on actual skateboarding. MJ left enjoi because running a company takes a lot of work and is stressful. Carroll employed MJ for years and paid him, the least MJ could have done was tell him that he was dipping. Pretty much everyone has left Crailtap and there has never been anything like this.
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after the MC interview and a 32 page deep thread - nothing about the FUTURE of Crailtap - i am disappointed.
Hopefully it means more footage from Mike Carroll, Jerry Hsu, Vincent Alvarez, and Rick McCrank,
then i am pretty fine with the loss of AO, BA, Koston, Gino, MJ and Guy.
Crailtap is still stacked with legends - focus on getting same cool kids, proper footage and good products.
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
Which one would you rather fight though?
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
Which one would you rather fight though?
His wife for sure.
Matt hensley, jason lee, mike vallely, ray barbee, frankie hill, tommy guerrero, rodney mullen, eric koston, salmon agah, henry sanchez just to name a few.
Neither MC or MJ are in the top 5 imo
(http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/uploads/2014/09/weaselface_fish-630x648.jpg)
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^if you mean Marc he seems like the most dangerous in a fight, or did you mean Mike Carroll's wife. Mike prolly has his sex shit planned out and doesn't just come at people jerking off from behind, unannounced.
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I bought the white leather Busenitz because I refuse to let the politics of the skateboard industry to interfere with me being fly as fuck at all times.
Permission to use that line in the future?
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Mike Carrol and Marc Johnson wish they could have half the career and mimic the style ,bag of tricks, accent and locks that Adelmo Jr has and that mother fucker will never be the Breeze.
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Carroll is in my top 5 above Wilt Chamberlain. His career stats are good but I rank him below Alfred Hitchcock in terms of influence. For me Julien Stranger is better than Jimi Hendrix, quite a controversial opinion I know, I've never seen them in person but I looked up their performances on YouTube. Where do you guys put Fred Gall in your Top 100 All-time?
If you ask me, Muhammad Ali at his prime is WAY BETTER than antilock brakes.
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Mike Carrol and Marc Johnson wish they could have half the career and mimic the style ,bag of tricks, accent and locks that Adelmo Jr has and that mother fucker will never be the Breeze.
Could somebody photoshop this please?
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
Seriously is this real? It has been mentioned on SLAP before that Carroll lets other dudes fuck his wife but I just can't believe any normal person would do that.
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
You're obviously very young.:)
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Carroll looked rad since H-Street days. Even at that young age he looked proper. Dude was born to roll.
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Damn Adidas now fucking with nor cal ...keep that shit to so cal... >:(
in regards to beef..spike can always bail the$$$$
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
You're obviously very young.:)
Carroll's not a fan of contracts
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
You're obviously very young.:)
Carroll's not a fan of contracts
Mrs. Carroll might get banged by other dudes, but as MJ discovered, the only person who fucks Mr. Carroll is Mrs. Carroll.
Pulp Fiction Best Scene - Does He Look Like a Bitch? [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_-wndK57Ls#)
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
You're obviously very young.:)
Carroll's not a fan of contracts
Mrs. Carroll might get banged by other dudes, but as MJ discovered, the only person who fucks Mr. Carroll is Mrs. Carroll.
Pulp Fiction Best Scene - Does He Look Like a Bitch? [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_-wndK57Ls#)
GOLD. ;)
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I dunno if this has been posted already, but I ain't about to go through 40+ pages of bull shit to see.
Wife fucking aside, MJ aint got shit on this
Mike Carroll Modus Operandi - TransWorld SKATEboarding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rClvsvINLU)
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I dunno if this has been posted already, but I ain't about to go through 40+ pages of bull shit to see.
Wife fucking aside, MJ aint got shit on this
Mike Carroll Modus Operandi - TransWorld SKATEboarding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rClvsvINLU)
OH WOW IVE NEVER SEEN THAT.
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I dunno if this has been posted already, but I ain't about to go through 40+ pages of bull shit to see.
Wife fucking aside, MJ aint got shit on this
Mike Carroll Modus Operandi - TransWorld SKATEboarding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rClvsvINLU)
OH WOW IVE NEVER SEEN THAT.
I'm going to accept this sarcasm considering i'm the new guy and really have no choice.
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I dunno if this has been posted already, but I ain't about to go through 40+ pages of bull shit to see.
Wife fucking aside, MJ aint got shit on this
Mike Carroll Modus Operandi - TransWorld SKATEboarding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rClvsvINLU)
OH WOW IVE NEVER SEEN THAT.
I'm going to accept this sarcasm considering i'm the new guy and really have no choice.
Also, Marc opens the video with no slouch of a part
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I dunno if this has been posted already, but I ain't about to go through 40+ pages of bull shit to see.
Wife fucking aside, MJ aint got shit on this
Mike Carroll Modus Operandi - TransWorld SKATEboarding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rClvsvINLU)
OH WOW IVE NEVER SEEN THAT.
I'm going to accept this sarcasm considering i'm the new guy and really have no choice.
Also, Marc opens the video with no slouch of a part
Marc's part doesn't make me wanna go skate and fuck bitches, Carroll's does.
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I like you. Partially because of your opinion, and partially because my girlfriend likes to have sex with her glasses on. God knows if I had to blow me, I'd take my fucking glasses off to make that ugly troll of a dick as blurry as possible, but she's a trooper.
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I like you. Partially because of your opinion, and partially because my girlfriend likes to have sex with her glasses on. God knows if I had to blow me, I'd take my fucking glasses off to make that ugly troll of a dick as blurry as possible, but she's a trooper.
She specifically likes sex with glasses on, or she just always wears glasses so she doesn't take them off? Either way... cool.
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I like you. Partially because of your opinion, and partially because my girlfriend likes to have sex with her glasses on. God knows if I had to blow me, I'd take my fucking glasses off to make that ugly troll of a dick as blurry as possible, but she's a trooper.
She specifically likes sex with glasses on, or she just always wears glasses so she doesn't take them off? Either way... cool.
I personally wear them just to make sure I'm going in the right orifice. I'm blind as a bat without them. :-*
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it's this time again.
Didn't see this on the newest page. Gotta stay the course on this one.
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I like you. Partially because of your opinion, and partially because my girlfriend likes to have sex with her glasses on. God knows if I had to blow me, I'd take my fucking glasses off to make that ugly troll of a dick as blurry as possible, but she's a trooper.
She specifically likes sex with glasses on, or she just always wears glasses so she doesn't take them off? Either way... cool.
Usually wears glasses, kinda keeps them on the way some people keep on their socks, gets into it, doesn't have time/motivation to remove them and put them somewhere.
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Apparently, this is the instagram of that fucker MC called out
https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/ (https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/)
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Apparently, this is the instagram of that fucker MC called out
https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/ (https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/)
You're going to have to be more specific.
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You're going to have to be more specific.
...in his Jenkem interview
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The nike guy who tried to get Karsten on girl or whatever after they poached him from lakai.
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Oh that guy. I thought maybe there was some new Carroll vs the world beef out there. You give him a follow or what?
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Carroll's pretty cool.
Until you fuck his wife while he jerks off behind you.
You're obviously very young.:)
Carroll's not a fan of contracts
Mrs. Carroll might get banged by other dudes, but as MJ discovered, the only person who fucks Mr. Carroll is Mrs. Carroll.
Pulp Fiction Best Scene - Does He Look Like a Bitch? [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_-wndK57Ls#)
GOLD. ;)
Yep. Gnar'd.
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Apparently, this is the instagram of that fucker MC called out
https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/ (https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/)
Mother fucker has his gram on private
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I like you. Partially because of your opinion, and partially because my girlfriend likes to have sex with her glasses on. God knows if I had to blow me, I'd take my fucking glasses off to make that ugly troll of a dick as blurry as possible, but she's a trooper.
She specifically likes sex with glasses on, or she just always wears glasses so she doesn't take them off? Either way... cool.
I personally wear them just to make sure I'm going in the right orifice. I'm blind as a bat without them. :-*
There's a wrong orifice?
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Was there really anything mentioned on the future of Crailtap other than the fact that MJ won't be a part of it?
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Carroll looked rad since H-Street days. Even at that young age he looked proper. Dude was born to roll.
damn straight!
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MC's part was sick but I loved Marc's part in Modus as well.
Marc Johnson "Modus Operandi" (2000) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfN4IQdy6o#)
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/25/adidas-to-sell-robot-made-shoes-from-2017 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/25/adidas-to-sell-robot-made-shoes-from-2017)
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I feel like this should be my next deck
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Apparently, this is the instagram of that fucker MC called out
https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/ (https://www.instagram.com/kspr030/)
Mother fucker has his gram on private
He is the TM for Nike SB Europe.
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MC's part was sick but I loved Marc's part in Modus as well.
Marc Johnson "Modus Operandi" (2000) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfN4IQdy6o#)
Good part of course and its rad that they're in the same video but Mike Carroll did THE BEST LINE OF ALL TIME, period.
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False. Altho that line is top five all-time. Best line of all time is found in this part. Take your pick:
PJ Ladd Wonderful Horrible Life 2.0 - DVD version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxxmmG2bcY#)
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False. Altho that line is top five all-time. Best line of all time is found in this part. Take your pick:
PJ Ladd Wonderful Horrible Life 2.0 - DVD version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWxxmmG2bcY#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwiklLoKCY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwiklLoKCY#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD-onmHUNlo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD-onmHUNlo#)
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PJ is up there for sure but personally, as an old person I choose Carroll.
The Mikemo line is really good too, harder for sure but not as memorable or iconic.
Stevie line is rad but if he didn't grab his nuts I wouldn't remember this at all but that is a goddamn crazy switch heelflip.
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BAs 3 up 3 down line in Yeah Right is the best line...dude was doing 2012 shit in 2002-2003.
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We should have a best lines thread...Carroll had some sick lines in Goldfish too...EMB and Love Park have some legendary lines...Dill's line in Photosynthesis when he walks down the stairs and ollies the set. Koston in Menikmati had a bunch of sick lines. Arto in Sorry, Gonz every line, Ronnie Creager has tons, Tom Penny every mini ramp clip, a few sick lines in Life in the Fast Lane and Menikmati, AO's ender line in Swoosh, I feel like Busenitz had some sick lines in Skate More. I'm drawing a blank but I know there are some gnar ones in the old Toy vids, welcome to and jump off a building. It would be interesting to form a top 10 list. This classic line also comes to mind:
Ricky Oyola - Philly Metrospective (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSZnZwbDV3I#)
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Its all subjective but my favorite line ever is jeremy wrays opener in second hand smoke
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We should have a best lines thread...Carroll had some sick lines in Goldfish too...EMB and Love Park have some legendary lines...Dill's line in Photosynthesis when he walks down the stairs and ollies the set. Koston in Menikmati had a bunch of sick lines. Arto in Sorry, Gonz every line, Ronnie Creager has tons, Tom Penny every mini ramp clip, a few sick lines in Life in the Fast Lane and Menikmati, AO's ender line in Swoosh, I feel like Busenitz had some sick lines in Skate More. I'm drawing a blank but I know there are some gnar ones in the old Toy vids, welcome to and jump off a building. It would be interesting to form a top 10 list. This classic line also comes to mind:
Ricky Oyola - Philly Metrospective (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSZnZwbDV3I#)
This also blew my mind
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Any best line thread isn't anywhere close to complete without a mention of Gino's Chocolate Tour line. Personally I'll lean to Carroll followed y this. Like any discussion about art, you can never definitively say one thing is the best of all time, all you can say the discussion isn't complete til you acknowledge this for example, any best film discussion hasn't come close to looking at everything if Lawrence of Arabia or Citizen Kane hasn't been mentioned.
Gino Iannucci Chocolate Tour HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzQUekFFyE#)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUHc6mvmHk/?taken-by=girlskateboards (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUHc6mvmHk/?taken-by=girlskateboards)
and 3:37
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsuBjEhmYc&feature=youtu.be&t=3m37s#)
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Gino's line in Chocolate Tour for sure was going to mention that, also Guy's line in Mouse at LA High where he does the switch pop shuv noseslide.
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Im geeking out watching some old video parts tonight.
MJ wears quite abit of adidas shoes in man down. Doesnt mean shit, just an observation.
Also carrolls first line in goldfish is fuckin beautiful
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUHc6mvmHk/?taken-by=girlskateboards (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUHc6mvmHk/?taken-by=girlskateboards)
Holy shit this mccrank line. I could watch that all day
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Wow, goldfish was 93'
In 96' trilogy dropped, so did maple sevens steps to heaven.
Ronnie creager and marc johnson were fuckin up everything.
Watch the MJ part, its waaay ahead of its time
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Whatch his on the crail couch and his epicly later'd
Marc is a fuckin mess.
Still love his skating though
Hilarious him talking about leaving jerry at maple, leaving jerry at enjoi, now he left him at chocolate
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Let's not forget Lavar's line at the end of his Trilogy part.
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Holy shit this mccrank line. I could watch that all day
Not good enough to make it into pretty sweet tho.
Apparently.
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Wow, goldfish was 93'
In 96' trilogy dropped, so did maple sevens steps to heaven.
Ronnie creager and marc johnson were fuckin up everything.
Watch the MJ part, its waaay ahead of its time
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Whatch his on the crail couch and his epicly later'd
Marc is a fuckin mess.
Still love his skating though
Hilarious him talking about leaving jerry at maple, leaving jerry at enjoi, now he left him at chocolate
He was kicked off chocolate, different than leaving
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"you know how everybody's got footy? I was thinking let's give half the pro roster like 2 tricks apiece"
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Why not ?!
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The board looks fine. A little flat but these days Im just rolling around.
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Any best line thread isn't anywhere close to complete without a mention of Gino's Chocolate Tour line. Personally I'll lean to Carroll followed y this. Like any discussion about art, you can never definitively say one thing is the best of all time, all you can say the discussion isn't complete til you acknowledge this for example, any best film discussion hasn't come close to looking at everything if Lawrence of Arabia or Citizen Kane hasn't been mentioned.
Gino Iannucci Chocolate Tour HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzQUekFFyE#)
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I like the one at 3:36 because it's Andrew Reynolds doing a switch hardflip. The whole line is just light and easy and fun.
Andrew Reynolds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Mg72AME7c#)
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Any best line thread isn't anywhere close to complete without a mention of Gino's Chocolate Tour line. Personally I'll lean to Carroll followed y this. Like any discussion about art, you can never definitively say one thing is the best of all time, all you can say the discussion isn't complete til you acknowledge this for example, any best film discussion hasn't come close to looking at everything if Lawrence of Arabia or Citizen Kane hasn't been mentioned.
Gino Iannucci Chocolate Tour HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzQUekFFyE#)
Which line?
Most likely the nollie bs 180 heel flip off the stairs, sw fs 180, push, back tail...
What happened to MJ's other side of the story? Getting some cool guy vibes going on...too cool to share I guess...
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Let's not forget Lavar's line at the end of his Trilogy part.
I think you mean 20 shot sequence
Lavar Mcbride - 20 Shot Sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO51HdH1CU#)
My votes:
Busenitz last line in this, the most underrated line ever I think- for the record he's going down Gough street, the same hill everybody trips out on Sean Young bombing in the rain in fucktards. That's a serious fucking hill just to ride down, and he's hitting ledges, doing flip tricks, he even does a 180 in the middle and cruises the hill switch for a minute. Just look at how quickly the ledge he noseslides goes from knee high to overhead. He doesn't get brought up enough for how he skates hills.
DVS Skate More - Zered Bassett and Dennis Busenitz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRy2EhOgXj0#)
Daewon's second line in Love Child that's like 20 tricks long and he pretty much redid 20 years later:
New Daewon Song Footage " Love Child Part " DVS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkAlYdnA_SE#)
Stevie's first line in the Reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAAWsTeR1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAAWsTeR1s)
Pretty much any line Wenning does at Love in this, and that one line at those new york wooden coped ledges with the nollie back nosegrind 180
Alien Workshop - Photosynthesis - Habitat - Brian Wenning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvT-_o-iACE#)
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Any best line thread isn't anywhere close to complete without a mention of Gino's Chocolate Tour line. Personally I'll lean to Carroll followed y this. Like any discussion about art, you can never definitively say one thing is the best of all time, all you can say the discussion isn't complete til you acknowledge this for example, any best film discussion hasn't come close to looking at everything if Lawrence of Arabia or Citizen Kane hasn't been mentioned.
Gino Iannucci Chocolate Tour HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utzQUekFFyE#)
Which line?
Most likely the nollie bs 180 heel flip off the stairs, sw fs 180, push, back tail...
What happened to MJ's other side of the story? Getting some cool guy vibes going on...too cool to share I guess...
Yeah, its the Ollie up the stairs, Nollie bs heel, sw fs 180, back tail. While only being a minute and 20 seconds, that is a top 10 part for me and defines style.
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Everyone knows Jereme Rogers has the heaviest lines of all time.
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Carroll is in my top 5 above Wilt Chamberlain. His career stats are good but I rank him below Alfred Hitchcock in terms of influence. For me Julien Stranger is better than Jimi Hendrix, quite a controversial opinion I know, I've never seen them in person but I looked up their performances on YouTube. Where do you guys put Fred Gall in your Top 100 All-time?
it depends if he is right in front of me or not when i have to answer
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Someone said it already but Jeremy Wray's line in Second Hand Smoke gets my vote.
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Personal favorite at 3:08
411 Flip Industry (1995) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os1VShnHSas&t=3m8s#)
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2:19(and like 20 other lines throughout):
Dennis Busenitz Since Day One (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li4_V0_CRKA#)
3:10:
Justin strubing's part in That's Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRUwsb6P8g#)
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Personal favorite at 3:08
411 Flip Industry (1995) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os1VShnHSas&t=3m8s#)
I was thinking of that spot for sure someone had a best line there and low and behold it's Tom Penny. He's a legend. This should be a thread already because we need Brink's rebuttal and MJ's side of the story...you know calling Mike Carroll a liar. Come on with it we don't got all day. I want to hear the cool guys talk.
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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrai8NODRvA#)
2:20
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really felt that this whole ordeal could have gone smoother. Whose the Dr.Phil of skateboarding to help with Mike and MJ?
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Because the search to find one resulted in a thread full of clips of amazing lines, asshole. We all know there is no quantitative way to measure best line, moron.
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really felt that this whole ordeal could have gone smoother. Whose the Dr.Phil of skateboarding to help with Mike and MJ?
Maybe The Illusion. "And how does that make you feel Marc?"
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Gip, I had forgotten about that booze line. Its fuckin beyond heavy.
And that tom penny line has always been a favorite. The backtail is the icing on the cake but that mach 10 perfect kickflip is what got me.
Also the penny line reminds me of the line wes kremer did with the gap out switch krook 180 and the mach 10 frontside flip(pretty sure that line was penny inspired)
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
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Let's not forget Lavar's line at the end of his Trilogy part.
Lavar Mcbride - 20 Shot Sequence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKO51HdH1CU#)
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really felt that this whole ordeal could have gone smoother. Whose the Dr.Phil of skateboarding to help with Mike and MJ?
"Marc I have one question. Wheres dad? where was he in all this?"
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OK guys, now we will film you talking about how happy you are to ride for the company and how good the product is, aaaaaaaand ACTION.
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
awww, are you okay? I didn't mean to make you cry...I swear...
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Come on man theres no point with the name calling -i expressed a pretty medium view point. Your just a weird dude getting off, if your getting tough like that online. Chill out Ronald Guy!!
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
Jesus Christ dude why are you such an asshole? I actually felt bad for you when you got your information exposed by Sinclair but what goes around comes around. I can't help but feel that you probably have such a miserable life so you take it out on random people on the internet.
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
Jesus Christ dude why are you such an asshole? I actually felt bad for you when you got your information exposed by Sinclair but what goes around comes around. I can't help but feel that you probably have such a miserable life so you take it out on random people on the internet.
maybe he just has tourette and youre making fun of him :(
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
I'm digging your new, more direct approach to trolling.
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You guys sure cry about Gip a lot.
i really hope that "gip" is actually the ghost ronald reagan
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
Jesus Christ dude why are you such an asshole? I actually felt bad for you when you got your information exposed by Sinclair but what goes around comes around. I can't help but feel that you probably have such a miserable life so you take it out on random people on the internet.
maybe he just has tourette and youre making fun of him :(
The tourette comment was hilarious. :D
And I didnt cry but I dont get why the fucking hate. I never ever talk like that to anybody but well...thats just me. You are you so I get it; thats your thing here.
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Trendwatch: It's looking like Gip is no longer the people's hero. We live in a post-sizzle-plate world folks.
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
Jesus Christ dude why are you such an asshole? I actually felt bad for you when you got your information exposed by Sinclair but what goes around comes around. I can't help but feel that you probably have such a miserable life so you take it out on random people on the internet.
That's exactly why he does it. This thread would be like ten pages shorter if dude wasn't on here belittling everybody.
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Yeah, while art is subjective, Carroll's Modus library line is basically the fucking Louvre.
Plenty of other examples of course, but this one cannot be fucked with. The fact it even comes up so often in these types of discussions, and is never debated (people throw others in the mix, but no one disagrees on this line being all-fucking-time,) probably goes someway to suggesting it might really be the finest 5 tricks ever performed on a skateboard.
Good skateboarding is about tricks, great skateboarding is about spots.
Performing the perfect tricks for the spot, flawlessly and with flavor is the benchmark for which all other skateboarding maneuvers should be judged.
The fact his brain even realized he could skate the spot that way, is a whole other topic of conversation.
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alright, here we go!
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Yeah, while art is subjective, Carroll's Modus library line is basically the fucking Louvre.
That doesn't make sense but you tried so there's that.
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one of the raddest lines in recent memory
Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
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that no push penny line is my all time favorite. I was so blown away the first time I saw it.
this line at 3:20 is also pretty tight.
Bobby Worrest Get Familar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFv4yUW1s7E#)
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Yeah, while art is subjective, Carroll's Modus library line is basically the fucking Louvre.
That doesn't make sense but you tried so there's that.
i think he meant it's like a collection of beautiful tricks.
i'd rather watch either of Arto's crooked grind lines from Sorry any day though personally.
different strokes for different shafts or whatever.
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
That is sick as fuck and you can tell by his shirt he put in some work for it. I guess I sort of understand some of the hate towards this guy but you can't deny his skills on a plank.
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwwmxxZaRM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwwmxxZaRM#)
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
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idk about best but i always think of this one
https://youtu.be/yTsdi8FiCS0
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idk about best but i always think of this one�
https://youtu.be/yTsdi8FiCS0
Damn, completely forgot about that part.
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idk about best but i always think of this one�
https://youtu.be/yTsdi8FiCS0
Thats a heavy line
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Ronnie Creager Menikmati (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BindlDsqqw)
Every single line in that part is sick.
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Nate Broussard - Static III ( high quality ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQlzFARUzs#)
Nate's line at 3:33 is a good one. Style.
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Sauce isn't important for BBQ
But it's very important in skateboard lines
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Are there any older slap posters who have actually smoked crack with MC back in the day? Let me know free max b
HAHAHA THATS OUR PETE! FREE MAX B HAHA
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it's this time again.
We're slipping.
Can we get back to our regularly scheduled programming?
Notable absence of presence on MJ's Insta still.
Hmmmm...
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
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Nate Broussard - Static III ( high quality ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQlzFARUzs#)
Nate's line at 3:33 is a good one. Style.
Never got the last trick in that line. Does he miss a kickflip 5-0? Is it a kickflip manny? What's going on there?
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Nate Broussard - Static III ( high quality ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQlzFARUzs#)
Nate's line at 3:33 is a good one. Style.
Never got the last trick in that line. Does he miss a kickflip 5-0? Is it a kickflip manny? What's going on there?
He miss the kickflip 5-0 a does a kickflip 50-50 (he slighlty touch the curb with the front truck then raise the front truck to end up doing a short 5-0)
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
I can't imagine a better feeling than having 35-second sex with Jessica Biel while locked into a good boardslide.
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
I can't imagine a better feeling than having 35-second sex with Jessica Biel while locked into a good boardslide.
Imagine being totally naked except socks and shoes, hit the boardslide full boner about to cum, bust your load halfway down when the waxy boardslide sound is at its peak, then the rest of way down you have the calm relief good feel of cumming, then light a cigarette after you land. I honestly cant imagine a better feeling.
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
I can't imagine a better feeling than having 35-second sex with Jessica Biel while locked into a good boardslide.
Imagine being totally naked except socks and shoes, hit the boardslide full boner about to cum, bust your load halfway down when the waxy boardslide sound is at its peak, then the rest of way down you have the calm relief good feel of cumming, then light a cigarette after you land. I honestly cant imagine a better feeling.
at no point did you mention jessica biel. so essentially you just jerked off while boardsliding?
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
I can't imagine a better feeling than having 35-second sex with Jessica Biel while locked into a good boardslide.
Imagine being totally naked except socks and shoes, hit the boardslide full boner about to cum, bust your load halfway down when the waxy boardslide sound is at its peak, then the rest of way down you have the calm relief good feel of cumming, then light a cigarette after you land. I honestly cant imagine a better feeling.
at no point did you mention jessica biel. so essentially you just jerked off while boardsliding?
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
I can't imagine a better feeling than having 35-second sex with Jessica Biel while locked into a good boardslide.
Imagine being totally naked except socks and shoes, hit the boardslide full boner about to cum, bust your load halfway down when the waxy boardslide sound is at its peak, then the rest of way down you have the calm relief good feel of cumming, then light a cigarette after you land. I honestly cant imagine a better feeling.
at no point did you mention jessica biel. so essentially you just jerked off while boardsliding?
LOL - well the logistics of a jerk-off boardslide are more plausible...
actually fucking jessica biel while boardsliding would be more like a lebowski dream sequence... and if that's the case, why limit it to 35 seconds?
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
It's probably the best feeling in the wolrd.
better than having sex with Jessica Biel?
I can't imagine a better feeling than having 35-second sex with Jessica Biel while locked into a good boardslide.
Imagine being totally naked except socks and shoes, hit the boardslide full boner about to cum, bust your load halfway down when the waxy boardslide sound is at its peak, then the rest of way down you have the calm relief good feel of cumming, then light a cigarette after you land. I honestly cant imagine a better feeling.
at no point did you mention jessica biel. so essentially you just jerked off while boardsliding?
LOL - well the logistics of a jerk-off boardslide are more plausible...
actually fucking jessica biel while boardsliding would be more like a lebowski dream sequence... and if that's the case, why limit it to 35 seconds?
jerk off boardslide slip out would be a hillarious vine clip.
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
Jesus Christ dude why are you such an asshole? I actually felt bad for you when you got your information exposed by Sinclair but what goes around comes around. I can't help but feel that you probably have such a miserable life so you take it out on random people on the internet.
That's exactly why he does it. This thread would be like ten pages shorter if dude wasn't on here belittling everybody.
you guys are a bunch of whiny ass hypocrites. You sit here talking shit and lurking a shit talking thread all day, and the second people talk about you, you cry and whine like the unconscious morons you are. You don't want to see people say mean things about other people? Go somewhere besides slap, and stop talking shit yourself.
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Nate Broussard - Static III ( high quality ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aQlzFARUzs#)
Nate's line at 3:33 is a good one. Style.
Never got the last trick in that line. Does he miss a kickflip 5-0? Is it a kickflip manny? What's going on there?
Looks to me like misses a 50 too and rides right on the edge of the ledge...
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Dude you are the asshole; like a big one. Why the big words big boy ?! All the shit you post about the Adidas premier make you look like a fucking joke.
The thread full of amazing lines is rad and is good to look at all those legends but skateboarding is one of the most subjective things ever. We all know that, moron.
Jesus Christ dude why are you such an asshole? I actually felt bad for you when you got your information exposed by Sinclair but what goes around comes around. I can't help but feel that you probably have such a miserable life so you take it out on random people on the internet.
That's exactly why he does it. This thread would be like ten pages shorter if dude wasn't on here belittling everybody.
I think you mean unconscionable.
I don't think people object to shit talking, but you your unique brand of being twaughty (a haughty twat) just kind of kills the buzz when people are debating something and you go insult the person for not agreeing with you. I'm sure none of us have that thin of skin that we can't handle it, it's just annoying when you're the only one who has to Pesci out all the time
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Firing Line: Jordan Hoffart. Wolrd Record Boardslide? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ5hmPA9hdc#)
i wonder what life is like when you spend 35 seconds in a boardslide
probably something like this:
Malice in Wonderland - Animation - Vince Collins & Miwako (1982) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZkA7rbZuQ#)
skip to :44
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Well then my fave would be (other then the penny one) would be the frontside nollie and then switch pop shuv over the gap by Puleo.
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
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Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
stupid fucker committed a serious crime and sucks at rapping. Hopefully he can't release more shitty tracks from prison where he belongs.
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
Solid laugh...
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My kid was watching dinosaur videos on youtube and this guy's video was recommended off to the right. Unless he's Iceman, he boosted the delivery photoshop and gave no credit... Don't bother watching the video, just some hillbilly rambling about shit people already covered on Slap.
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
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doesn't that dude have a account on slap? i think i saw that name on here recently.
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My kid was watching dinosaur videos on youtube and this guy's video was recommended off to the right. Unless he's Iceman, he boosted the delivery photoshop and gave no credit... Don't bother watching the video, just some hillbilly rambling about shit people already covered on Slap.
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
I hope Iceman finds him... and puts him on ice.
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(http://i.imgur.com/DQFoCKz.jpg)
it's this time again.
We're slipping.
Can we get back to our regularly scheduled programming?
Notable absence of presence on MJ's Insta still.
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My kid was watching dinosaur videos on youtube and this guy's video was recommended off to the right. Unless he's Iceman, he boosted the delivery photoshop and gave no credit... Don't bother watching the video, just some hillbilly rambling about shit people already covered on Slap.
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
I hope Iceman finds him... and puts him on ice.
yeah hunt him down ice
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
Confirmed- Xtal is not Wavy.
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
What happened to Pete from Slap?
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
What happened to Pete from Slap?
Pete of of slap on slap
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(http://i.imgur.com/DQFoCKz.jpg)
it's this time again.
We're slipping.
Can we get back to our regularly scheduled programming?
Notable absence of presence on MJ's Insta still.
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My kid was watching dinosaur videos on youtube and this guy's video was recommended off to the right. Unless he's Iceman, he boosted the delivery photoshop and gave no credit... Don't bother watching the video, just some hillbilly rambling about shit people already covered on Slap.
Marc Johnson and Daewon Song on Adidas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_0e0lZvodo#)
I hope Iceman finds him... and puts him on ice.
yeah hunt him down ice
yeah, cater his party, Ice.
(please get that reference)
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yeah, cater his party, Ice.
(please get that reference)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/0/0e/2x04_Good_Grief_(18).png/revision/latest?cb=20121126043139)
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doesn't that dude have a account on slap? i think i saw that name on here recently.
He lurks and pulls all the info for his "show" like he's some industry insider but then posts this on his insta...
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/12599332_922765494471769_1051431267_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE3MTg4NTc0NzIxNzkyODQ1Mw%3D%3D.2)
instagram.com/skatespeechh
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^ That guy has that small town bone structure I've talked about. His facial hair growth patterns also show there were likely some close relationships in his family at some point.
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^ That guy has that small town bone structure I've talked about. His facial hair growth patterns also show there were likely some close relationships in his family at some point.
Ehh, hes a fag, but I dont get that from him. I know what your talking about though, Ive discussed this at length with friends. Round these parts its blonde bitches with fat faces and pig noses.
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Dear SLAP, shut the fuck up about max b. That dude fuckin sucks.
Dear Xtal. Shut the fuck up about max b. you fuckin suck. FREE MAX B.
Yo, Max B should definitely be in jail for that shit. But... Free Max B!
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yeah, cater his party, Ice.
(please get that reference)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/0/0e/2x04_Good_Grief_(18).png/revision/latest?cb=20121126043139)
Shut the fuck up, he wasn't talking to you.
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
^ Ban please.
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yeah, cater his party, Ice.
(please get that reference)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/0/0e/2x04_Good_Grief_(18).png/revision/latest?cb=20121126043139)
:o :-*
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
^ Ban please.
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doesn't that dude have a account on slap? i think i saw that name on here recently.
He lurks and pulls all the info for his "show" like he's some industry insider but then posts this on his insta...
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/12599332_922765494471769_1051431267_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE3MTg4NTc0NzIxNzkyODQ1Mw%3D%3D.2)
instagram.com/skatespeechh
damn he's a bigger faggot then i am
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yeah, cater his party, Ice.
(please get that reference)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/arresteddevelopment/images/0/0e/2x04_Good_Grief_(18).png/revision/latest?cb=20121126043139)
You okay gipper? You seem extra snippy lately. I love you, Dr. President, just checking 😘
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doesn't that dude have a account on slap? i think i saw that name on here recently.
He lurks and pulls all the info for his "show" like he's some industry insider but then posts this on his insta...
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/12599332_922765494471769_1051431267_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE3MTg4NTc0NzIxNzkyODQ1Mw%3D%3D.2)
instagram.com/skatespeechh
Don't be so hard on yourself bro
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
^ Ban please.
yeah ban me you fuckin sissies. Can't handle a different opinion.
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doesn't that dude have a account on slap? i think i saw that name on here recently.
He lurks and pulls all the info for his "show" like he's some industry insider but then posts this on his insta...
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/12599332_922765494471769_1051431267_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE3MTg4NTc0NzIxNzkyODQ1Mw%3D%3D.2)
instagram.com/skatespeechh
Probably the biggest by the looks of things...
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I never knew Marc was ginger. This explains everything
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that kid is wack af. my account doesn't necessarily need a mention, but he should have credited slap. good find nallid.
atiba i guess i'm either too old or too out of the loop to get the reference. :'(
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
I fuck dick riders. Like your Mom. FREE MAX B
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
I fuck dick riders. Like your Mom. FREE MAX B
mom jokes. I just can't compete with your rapier wit
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Just ride the wave
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I fuck dick riders. Like your Mom. FREE MAX B
Neither could your mom!
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
I fuck dick riders. Like your Mom. FREE MAX B
(http://i65.tinypic.com/5dscuc.jpg)
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Fuck max b and all the dick riders
I fuck dick riders. Like your Mom. FREE MAX B
(http://i65.tinypic.com/5dscuc.jpg)
Relax copernicus. Wasn't that clever either.
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bullshit. that was the peak of mount cleverdom.
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He's just jealous of your rapey wit
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i got a idea for a photoshop but i think it's too gnarly
EDIT: while i was looking for some good photoshop pics i almost roasted marc for publishing a book but it's a different mj and google fucked up
(http://i.imgur.com/6GecQ5s.png)
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let it fly
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i got a idea for a photoshop but i think it's too gnarly
EDIT: while i was looking for some good photoshop pics i almost roasted marc for publishing a book but it's a different mj and google fucked up
(http://i.imgur.com/6GecQ5s.png)
There is no such thing on here, trust me... I have seen a two headed girl...
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^^ what asakusa said. this is slap after all...
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adidas just told marc to post some skating because he's getting too carried away i bet.
so he posted some old footage from biebels park with no caption.
complete with giant lakai logo.
"Marc, not only were you wearing Lakais in that, but there was a giant lakai logo dashing across the background multiple times. Didn't you build like a bunch of shit at your house that you could have just filmed something really quick? God damnit, Marc. Use your bald head." Herbert Hainer, Global Chief Executive Officer
Update: Marc deleted that clip off his instagram of biebels park. Wonder if Adidas people did get mad about it after all?
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no free lunches buddy, corporate check, corporate rules.
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After all this bullshit, I kind of felt like supporting Lakai.
Funnily enough, I ended up buying a pair of MJ XLK's as they looked fairly stylish and had a reasonably unoffensive design. The money still goes to Lakai I figured.
Turns out the jokes on me. The shoes are narrow, the soles too hard and they are generally uncomfortable.
These are the third pair of Lakais I have bought in my 15 years as a skateboarder (I would say almost exactly one pair every 5 years). All have been a letdown. Guess I won't make that mistake a fourth time... or will I?
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Just got myself a few pairz o lakaiz. Mannnnchester
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After all this bullshit, I kind of felt like supporting Lakai.
Funnily enough, I ended up buying a pair of MJ XLK's as they looked fairly stylish and had a reasonably unoffensive design. The money still goes to Lakai I figured.
Turns out the jokes on me. The shoes are narrow, the soles too hard and they are generally uncomfortable.
These are the third pair of Lakais I have bought in my 15 years as a skateboarder (I would say almost exactly one pair every 5 years). All have been a letdown. Guess I won't make that mistake a fourth time... or will I?
in future could you please try to make your posts less suspensful?
this is a messageboard not a fucking rollercoaster ride. thanks.
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+1
for real man, I've seen a dude with two dicks, some dude that had a box for his cum along with other shit on this forum already. give us the fucking photoshop and stop being a pussy
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After all this bullshit, I kind of felt like supporting Lakai.
Funnily enough, I ended up buying a pair of MJ XLK's as they looked fairly stylish and had a reasonably unoffensive design. The money still goes to Lakai I figured.
Turns out the jokes on me. The shoes are narrow, the soles too hard and they are generally uncomfortable.
These are the third pair of Lakais I have bought in my 15 years as a skateboarder (I would say almost exactly one pair every 5 years). All have been a letdown. Guess I won't make that mistake a fourth time... or will I?
sounds like legit reasons to buy shoes.
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After all this bullshit, I kind of felt like supporting Lakai.
Funnily enough, I ended up buying a pair of MJ XLK's as they looked fairly stylish and had a reasonably unoffensive design. The money still goes to Lakai I figured.
Turns out the jokes on me. The shoes are narrow, the soles too hard and they are generally uncomfortable.
These are the third pair of Lakais I have bought in my 15 years as a skateboarder (I would say almost exactly one pair every 5 years). All have been a letdown. Guess I won't make that mistake a fourth time... or will I?
sounds like legit reasons to buy shoes.
reasonably unoffensive in 2016? you mean you aren't attracted to shirts that say FUCK in huge letters or weed leaves?
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+1
Yeah dude don't be a pussy. I once photoshopped a picture of a german shepherd fucking another Slapper to try and get him to focus. It's all good.
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After all this bullshit, I kind of felt like supporting Lakai.
Funnily enough, I ended up buying a pair of MJ XLK's as they looked fairly stylish and had a reasonably unoffensive design. The money still goes to Lakai I figured.
Turns out the jokes on me. The shoes are narrow, the soles too hard and they are generally uncomfortable.
These are the third pair of Lakais I have bought in my 15 years as a skateboarder (I would say almost exactly one pair every 5 years). All have been a letdown. Guess I won't make that mistake a fourth time... or will I?
this is a messageboard not a fucking rollercoaster ride. thanks.
This reply is fucking hilarious.
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After all this bullshit, I kind of felt like supporting Lakai.
Funnily enough, I ended up buying a pair of MJ XLK's as they looked fairly stylish and had a reasonably unoffensive design. The money still goes to Lakai I figured.
Turns out the jokes on me. The shoes are narrow, the soles too hard and they are generally uncomfortable.
These are the third pair of Lakais I have bought in my 15 years as a skateboarder (I would say almost exactly one pair every 5 years). All have been a letdown. Guess I won't make that mistake a fourth time... or will I?
this is a messageboard not a fucking rollercoaster ride. thanks.
This reply is fucking hilarious.
co-sign
well done.
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We still haven't cracked 50?
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Marc Johnson Sponsor Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647MyGgzTKQ#) this must have been posted but I cant tell based on slaps busted ass interface. holy shit.
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it's this time again.
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Marc Johnson Sponsor Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647MyGgzTKQ#) this must have been posted but I cant tell based on slaps busted ass interface. holy shit.
It was cool seeing those Shorty's Steve Olson clips in there
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Marc Johnson Sponsor Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647MyGgzTKQ#) this must have been posted but I cant tell based on slaps busted ass interface. holy shit.
It was cool seeing those Shorty's Steve Olson clips in there
that dancer at 2:42 looks like koston
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that made my day. Ah the days of skating curbs and gas stations.
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Prediction: MJ turns The Back 40 into a board company with KA, Hsu and Chris Roberts
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Prediction: MJ turns The Back 40 into a board company with KA, Hsu and Chris Roberts
Was there ever a skit that anyone was hyped on? Or did they only do the game show thing?
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Prediction: MJ turns The Back 40 into a board company with KA, Hsu and Chris Roberts
Was there ever a skit that anyone was hyped on? Or did they only do the game show thing?
mj and chris roberts did a podcast thing that lasted two episodes, that could have been better but it was in the right direction
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I'm guessing there's now little to no chance of MJ's Bag of Suck part ever seeing the light of day from Carroll's hard drive
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So almost a month since the interview and still absolutely nothing from Marc? has he even been seen in public since the interview? He ran out of witty sarcastic remarks?
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Did anybody bring up how Mike Carroll started Girl ? that he told nobody at Plan B or dwindle and just rolled out to a contest with the girl tshirts and girl boards ? with riders from different companies and Plan B not really telling anybody about them quitting ?
or did I remember it wrong
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Did anybody bring up how Mike Carroll started Girl ? that he told nobody at Plan B or dwindle and just rolled out to a contest with the girl tshirts and girl boards ? with riders from different companies and Plan B not really telling anybody about them quitting ?
or did I remember it wrong
Yeah, they also brought up how they were teenagers at the time and Rocco would have done the same thing, not 40 year olds who railed against sports shoe companies only to backflip on it and lie to their supposed friends, or something like that.
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Maybe Marc's plethora of ideas is too much for even him.
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Maybe Marc's plethora of ideas is too much for even him.
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or did I remember it wrong
Yeah, they also brought up how they were teenagers at the time and Rocco would have done the same thing, not 40 year olds who railed against sports shoe companies only to backflip on it and lie to their supposed friends, or something like that.
C'mon Monty, get with the program.
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So Marc's response is basically the same as Danny Way's new Plan B part then?
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3 weeks no IG updates.
MJ on a bender, confirmed.
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Did anybody bring up how Mike Carroll started Girl ? that he told nobody at Plan B or dwindle and just rolled out to a contest with the girl tshirts and girl boards ? with riders from different companies and Plan B not really telling anybody about them quitting ?
or did I remember it wrong
Yeah, they also brought up how they were teenagers at the time and Rocco would have done the same thing, not 40 year olds who railed against sports shoe companies only to backflip on it and lie to their supposed friends, or something like that.
C'mon Monty, get with the program.
Never ! , Ill never conform !
(http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/w550h500/public/wallpapers/dont-tread-on-me-d76.jpg?itok=7lM0IBrF)
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So Marc's response is basically the same as Danny Way's new Plan B part then?
GNAR'D
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Marc will be skating to this song for his swan song part
Depeche Mode - Everything Counts (Remastered Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t-gK-9EIq4#)
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So there isn't gonna be an update huh?
(Unless you count the witty Instagramming of pro wrestling clips and Dave Chappelle stand up as a rebuttal, Marc has remained way too damn quiet about it.
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The handshake seals the contract
From the contract there's no turning back
The turning point of a career
In Korea being insincere
The holiday was fun-packed
The contract, still intact
The grabbing hands grab all they can
All for themselves - after all
The grabbing hands grab all they can
All for themselves - after all
It's a competitive world
Everything counts in large amounts
The graph on the wall
Tells the story of it all
Picture it now see just how
The lies and deceit gained a little more power
Confidence - taken in
By a suntan and a grin
The grabbing hands grab all they can
All for themselves - after all
The grabbing hands grab all they can
All for themselves - after all
It's a competitive world
Everything counts in large amounts
The grabbing hands grab all they can
Everything counts in large amounts
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Maybe he's out filming his intro to Adidas part
( this was a joke btw )
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So there isn't gonna be an update huh?
(Unless you count the witty Instagramming of pro wrestling clips and Dave Chappelle stand up as a rebuttal, Marc has remained way too damn quiet about it.
it probably it went down exactly as carroll said and mj has no rebuttal. he probably wised up and decided to keep his mouth shut.
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Maybe Marc's plethora of ideas is too much for even him.
Marc's been pleth'd!
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Marc will be skating to this song for his swan song part
Depeche Mode - Everything Counts (Remastered Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t-gK-9EIq4#)
Too good. Luckily he's on a progressive company that can keep up with these kind of ideas.
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Maybe Marc's plethora of ideas is too much for even him.
If you can think it....you can pretty much do it on a skateboard.
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Lakai is hyping the fuck out of that Fremont shoe, but giving nothing to the Flaco. Kinda fucked up.
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Lakai is hyping the fuck out of that Fremont shoe, but giving nothing to the Flaco. Kinda fucked up.
are they even out yet? Im sure they are going to post a lot more about it when it gets released...
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are they even out yet? Im sure they are going to post a lot more about it when it gets released...
Next month.
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Lakai is hyping the fuck out of that Fremont shoe, but giving nothing to the Flaco. Kinda fucked up.
That's Waco-Flaco-Flame-Tastic!
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just this
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it's this time again.
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↑must.be.on.every.page :D
(https://i.imgflip.com/16685a.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/16685a)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)
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Why not...
Classics: Marc Johnson "Seven Steps To Heaven" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0UKS8vrDQ#)
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Vague but interesting imput from Lucas about this in his Hypebeast itw http://hypebeast.com/2016/6/lucas-puig-skate-culture-premiere-adv-interview (http://hypebeast.com/2016/6/lucas-puig-skate-culture-premiere-adv-interview)
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^^ thanks for bringing something new to the thread. never heard anyone say they have bills to pay before.
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That interview was neither vague of interesting
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
So what? Driving a nice car doesnt mean you're rich. We like to think so, but any moron with different priorities and bad financial judgement can take on a car payment.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
lease....500$ a month bro. It doesn't take a rich man to drive nice cars. good credit and 500-1000$ a month gets you just about any car under 100,000$
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
Carroll has said in a couple interviews that he only leases his cars so he'll always have a new one.
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Add some other luxury purchases, and then they are more busy about their own purchases than running the company. Of course I don't know the full situation, but I don't think crailtap is doing very well now.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
In the 90s Lockwood era of Los Angeles both Mike and Rick would pull up in an Audi.
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KOTR was also filmed over a year ago.
it would be sick if whoever at vice was editing the show didn't know about the MJ debacle and there's some footage of them meeting up and having a good time (i.e. MJ lands skateboard trick and carroll hugs him)
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
that is still a lot of money, lease or not
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
A7, the choice of crooked bastards everywhere.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
that is still a lot of money, lease or not
Could be a company car and sticking it just a little more to their riders by financing the lease with their board/shoe/bearing/hello kitty collab money
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
that is still a lot of money, lease or not
Could be a company car and sticking it just a little more to their riders by financing the lease with their board/shoe/bearing/hello kitty collab money
Nah, those guys can afford an A7. It's not really that expensive for what they do. I mean Crailtap pulled in a lot of money, they were on top for a long time. I'm sure their bank accounts reflect that. I don't know where Rickk resides but Mike lives in a pretty expensive West Hollywood/Fairfax neighborhood where you can't find a house for under 1.5 million.
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Have you seen the cars parked outside Biebel's warehouse, shouldn't be too odd a company owner can afford a decent car
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I think it's safe to say Mike and Rick are financially set for life.
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I think it's safe to say Mike and Rick are financially set for life.
Both for sure are set for life. Shecks of checks anytime soon ?! ;D
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the way the skater-owned companies owners bitch about everything you'd think they're anything but set for life. remember getz and his car obsession ... a good car on a lease only means that you are doing good now, the future is unknown
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
A7, the choice of crooked bastards everywhere.
one of my favorite hobbies outside of skating is cutting people off who drive audi's.
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Don't get it twisted, Mike and Rick are both pretty rich...Girl was without question the most popular board company from 93-08.
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These guys have owned a very successful board company, a clothing line, and a shoe brand, they should be able to afford an A7. I remember seeing a profile written about Corey Kennedy when he just turned pro by some local newspaper saying he was making a 100 g's a year, and this was prior to Pretty Sweet. If a guy they just turned pro is making 100 g's a year, then these guys should be able to afford an A7. I'm sure the deals guys like Marc, Guy and Biebel were on just weren't sustainable anymore/ I'm sure these guys are downsizing expenses in there own lives but I doubt at this point in there lives they were willing to take out another mortgage, to pump needed money in to Crailtap when they could sell off shares to investors.
Here's the article.
http://archive.heraldnet.com/article/20110802/SPORTS/110809979 (http://archive.heraldnet.com/article/20110802/SPORTS/110809979)
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These guys have owned a very successful board company, a clothing line, and a shoe brand, they should be able to afford an A7. I remember seeing a profile written about Corey Kennedy when he just turned pro by some local newspaper saying he was making a 100 g's a year, and this was prior to Pretty Sweet. If a guy they just turned pro is making 100 g's a year, then these guys should be able to afford an A7. I'm sure the deals guys like Marc, Guy and Biebel were on just weren't sustainable anymore/ I'm sure these guys are downsizing expenses in there own lives but I doubt at this point in there lives they were willing to take out another mortgage, to pump needed money in to Crailtap when they could sell off shares to investors.
Here's the article.
http://archive.heraldnet.com/article/20110802/SPORTS/110809979 (http://archive.heraldnet.com/article/20110802/SPORTS/110809979)
I'm sure 80% of that salary of his was because of Nike not Crailtap.
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I am sure Spike Jonze will pull any of them out of poverty.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
In the 90s Lockwood era of Los Angeles both Mike and Rick would pull up in an Audi.
During that era I picture Mike still up in SF and everybody who went to lockwood pulling up in a Civic, because for some reason that was the cool guy car at the time.
There's a huge amount of space between "wealthy enough to be able to afford nice things" and "rich enough to compete with adidas"
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They could have also rented it because they were gonna be on TV.
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people still talking about this? fuck
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These guys have owned a very successful board company, a clothing line, and a shoe brand, they should be able to afford an A7. I remember seeing a profile written about Corey Kennedy when he just turned pro by some local newspaper saying he was making a 100 g's a year, and this was prior to Pretty Sweet. If a guy they just turned pro is making 100 g's a year, then these guys should be able to afford an A7. I'm sure the deals guys like Marc, Guy and Biebel were on just weren't sustainable anymore/ I'm sure these guys are downsizing expenses in there own lives but I doubt at this point in there lives they were willing to take out another mortgage, to pump needed money in to Crailtap when they could sell off shares to investors.
Here's the article.
http://archive.heraldnet.com/article/20110802/SPORTS/110809979 (http://archive.heraldnet.com/article/20110802/SPORTS/110809979)
I'm sure 80% of that salary of his was because of Nike not Crailtap.
Oh, I know that, but if that what shoe companies are paying Am's, you gotta think Carroll and Rickk who sold arguably the most popular brands for years, and Lakai was quite successful for awhile that they can still afford a luxury like an A7.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
In the 90s Lockwood era of Los Angeles both Mike and Rick would pull up in an Audi.
There's a huge amount of space between "wealthy enough to be able to afford nice things" and "rich enough to compete with adidas"
Idealhandmades quote about the A-Wing being the Honda Civic of the Rebel Alliance still makes me laugh!
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
In the 90s Lockwood era of Los Angeles both Mike and Rick would pull up in an Audi.
There's a huge amount of space between "wealthy enough to be able to afford nice things" and "rich enough to compete with adidas"
When they first came out to LA and they filmed Goldfish (92/93), yes on the civic. After Paco and right before Mouse (95/96) however, both those dudes were pushing Audi
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Ah yes, the hard hitting questions about the pros' cars.
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Audi is a 100% skater owned company.
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I heard Brezinski is sponsored by Audi.
Props to that tho.
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http://www.backfortybeer.com (http://www.backfortybeer.com)
I saw some of these beers while shopping for some liquid refreshment. Will the real backforty stand up?
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What's the one thing all these bitter guys have in common...the one thing?
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What's the one thing all these bitter guys have in common...the one thing?
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What's the one thing all these bitter guys have in common...the one thing?
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Stalked his insta yesterday, he hasn't posted shit in a minute (and conveniently deleted all of his recent "jab" posts where it looked like he was gunna make a rebuttal but actually didn't). Still thinking about buying a pair of his lakais though ;)
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Stalked his insta yesterday, he hasn't posted shit in a minute (and conveniently deleted all of his recent "jab" posts where it looked like he was gunna make a rebuttal but actually didn't). Still thinking about buying a pair of his lakais though ;)
Do it. That shoe is so good. According to recent instagram posts, even Carroll is still skating them.
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Stalked his insta yesterday, he hasn't posted shit in a minute (and conveniently deleted all of his recent "jab" posts where it looked like he was gunna make a rebuttal but actually didn't). Still thinking about buying a pair of his lakais though ;)
I'm down (to support Carrol)! http://lakai.com/shop/mj-black-brown-16sp.html (http://lakai.com/shop/mj-black-brown-16sp.html) look dope and have the griffin outsole. Just gotta burn through a few pairs of shoes I've currently got on rotation.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
that is still a lot of money, lease or not
Could be a company car and sticking it just a little more to their riders by financing the lease with their board/shoe/bearing/hello kitty collab money
Nah, those guys can afford an A7. It's not really that expensive for what they do. I mean Crailtap pulled in a lot of money, they were on top for a long time. I'm sure their bank accounts reflect that. I don't know where Rickk resides but Mike lives in a pretty expensive West Hollywood/Fairfax neighborhood where you can't find a house for under 1.5 million.
AVE lives in Hancock Park, where homes are $2million and up.
Driving an A7 doesn't mean shit. Everyone in LA has a German car.
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Just noticed watching the last KOTR episode Rickk and Mike rolling up in a fresh Audi A7. Dudes are doing well. Here in Europe you'll see high level bankers, well paid sportsmen and crooks riding those.
Fuck me! I didn't know Priuses and Teslas were German!!!
that is still a lot of money, lease or not
Could be a company car and sticking it just a little more to their riders by financing the lease with their board/shoe/bearing/hello kitty collab money
Nah, those guys can afford an A7. It's not really that expensive for what they do. I mean Crailtap pulled in a lot of money, they were on top for a long time. I'm sure their bank accounts reflect that. I don't know where Rickk resides but Mike lives in a pretty expensive West Hollywood/Fairfax neighborhood where you can't find a house for under 1.5 million.
AVE lives in Hancock Park, where homes are $2million and up.
Driving an A7 doesn't mean shit. Everyone in LA has a German car.
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This clip is cool ! 8)
CCS Spotlight - Lakai Walkthrough with Rick Howard & Mike Carroll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Mu0M3sNf4#)
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Is there any word on MJ's new board company? I thought he said something about starting a company with everyone that's been fucked over by Crailtap. It's not on Instagram anymore.
how could you take that seriously
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It really wouldn't surprise me if we never see Marc again. He caused such a negative uproar that he's pretty much blacklisted. Adidas will wait out his contract, it won't be renewed and that'll be it. Maybe he'll get a job telling people about the danger of eating honey... :D
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^a couple of years ago I wouldn't have agreed with this but the way the industry is now that could happen. But if he put out a groundbreaking part you never know cause people would want to see that. (I'm feeling an amount of "fuck you never liked your ass anyway" sentiment toward marc, pretty funny)
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If layers are now involved Marc may have been advised to keep his mouth shut?
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If layers are now involved Marc may have been advised to keep his mouth shut?
Leashed and muzzled for sure
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He finally Updated his Instagram!, to invite everyone to Pizzanista Long beach. Any Long beach locals get a chance to see him?
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the only thing that we should be worried about at that pizzanista event is Kenny A, his wife and that amazing pizza they came up with <3
Marc would go on and on about how it's important to support local free-range organic butchers and then turn around use generic walmart salami because the indy butchers didn't have the capacity to allow him to be truly "creative" with his pizza recipe ::)
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Came across this, posted 3 weeks ago by Matix, nothing to do with Adidas at all but he crawled out from under his rock at least...doens't look like he's wearing the 3 tripe so this could be old:
NINE-TO-FIVE : MARC JOHNSON on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/172587208)
Found this on google from the Ride Channel at 5:45 Louie says it's cool if Marc or Jerry ever wanted to return to Enjoi they could
The enjoi Team | Ask Skate Warehouse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY29nhaHkt8#)
This is all really weak...he actually never responded back to Carroll.
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the only thing that we should be worried about at that pizzanista event is Kenny A, his wife and that amazing pizza they came up with <3
Marc would go on and on about how it's important to support local free-range organic butchers and then turn around use generic walmart salami because the indy butchers didn't have the capacity to allow him to be truly "creative" with his pizza recipe ::)
8) 8) 8) hell yeah
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NINE-TO-FIVE : MARC JOHNSON on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/172587208)
seems like the type of guy who could talk for hours and not say a goddamn thing
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figured this belonged here
NINE-TO-FIVE : MARC JOHNSON on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/172587208)
seems like the type of guy who could talk for hours and not say a goddamn thing
Just skate. No more talking.
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NINE-TO-FIVE : MARC JOHNSON on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/172587208)
seems like the type of guy who could talk for hours and not say a goddamn thing
Just skate. No more talking.
for real. mj will probably always be my favorite skater but i dont ever need to hear him try to get insightful about skating ever again.
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Man, if someone I loved fell off the wagon & started making questionable decisions while looking as haunted & unhealthy as MJ has suddenly started looking, I'd hope they'd get more compassion than Slap is showing him right now. The alcoholic arm steeze is even back, for chrissake... our dude needs help.
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Man, if someone I loved fell off the wagon & started making questionable decisions while looking as haunted & unhealthy as MJ has suddenly started looking, I'd hope they'd get more compassion than Slap is showing him right now. The alcoholic arm steeze is even back, for chrissake... our dude needs help.
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did i just watch an MJ part that didn't have a single flip trick in it?!?! weird.
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I think i can go the rest of my life without hearing Marc talk ever again, how many times is he going to keep patting himself on the back.
Just Shut up and Skate!
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MJ on RDS confirmed.
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You guys remember his thrasher interview? - Mark has this full persona that he's been running for years but I think its lost it's heart and it's essence . So you get 'mark-shell' for the interview. ^That skating was not the 'good side' of what he has to offer.
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It'd be oddly rad if Marc just went awol and signed with all these bogus sponsors like RDS and what not. Like also get on Moutain Dew and just be the total opposite person that we all perceived him to be. At least he'd get fucking paid for all of it.
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he's looking kinda haggard for a 39 year old, looks like he's of his daily mud treatments
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It might help if he grew out his pony tail and strapped it super tight, to pull his face together a bit.
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did i just watch an MJ part that didn't have a single flip trick in it?!?! weird.
seemed more like one ad worthy trick and a bunch of warm ups to me. wouldn't call it a part.
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It might help if he grew out his pony tail and strapped it super tight, to pull his face together a bit.
Ahahahaha, the Croydon facelift.
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Marc Speaks!
After a couple of kids started arguing in his comments initially started by one of them calling him a sellout.
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Marc Speaks!
After a couple of kids started arguing in his comments initially started by one of them calling him a sellout.
(http://i.imgur.com/H0ErRLB.jpg)pt>
Interesting. I am surprised they "asked him to leave" when Carroll seemed pretty heated they were going to have to sit on his shoes because he left with no notice. Based on Marc's track record I'm not buying it. He may have been asked to leave Chocolate after leaving Lakai but highly doubt they asked him to leave Lakai after producing another run of his shoes
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I don't know, think about it. If you were asked to leave a sponsor (or find another sponsor), but then they asked that you NOT leave until they sell all your shoes, I can see where you'd be a bit pissed and have the motivation to just up and leave on your own terms.
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I don't know, think about it. If you were asked to leave a sponsor (or find another sponsor), but then they asked that you NOT leave until they sell all your shoes, I can see where you'd be a bit pissed and have the motivation to just up and leave on your own terms.
Agreed. Imagine if a job did that to you. "Yeah, so we want you to find another job but we want you to stay so we can make a little more money off of you with your product."
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Marc Speaks!
After a couple of kids started arguing in his comments initially started by one of them calling him a sellout.
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Interesting. I am surprised they "asked him to leave" when Carroll seemed pretty heated they were going to have to sit on his shoes because he left with no notice. Based on Marc's track record I'm not buying it. He may have been asked to leave Chocolate after leaving Lakai but highly doubt they asked him to leave Lakai after producing another run of his shoes
They could not re-new his contract, they wanted to sell off remaining orders before he announced he left. Marc instead decided to not tell them about Adidas, and was announced when they had a shitload of his product remaining. No one is really in the clear here, if Lakai knew they couldn't afford to keep him, they shouldn't of ordered more of his shoes, then tried to get him to stay without a contract. Marc should of just outright told them he was going to Adidas, and he couldn't wait. Neither party looks good.
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MC 4ever
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I don't know, think about it. If you were asked to leave a sponsor (or find another sponsor), but then they asked that you NOT leave until they sell all your shoes, I can see where you'd be a bit pissed and have the motivation to just up and leave on your own terms.
Agreed. Imagine if a job did that to you. "Yeah, so we want you to find another job but we want you to stay so we can make a little more money off of you with your product."
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Highly doubt MC asked their biggest name pro to leave
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The best thing about all this shit, is that Rick and Mike have been out on tours, seemingly doing what they should be doing, skating.
Thanks Marc!
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The best thing about all this shit, is that Rick and Mike have been out on tours, seemingly doing what they should be doing, skating.
Thanks Marc!
I don't think you know the whole story. After all, Marc's whole life has been a video part. We'll just have to wait and see.
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The best thing about all this shit, is that Rick and Mike have been out on tours, seemingly doing what they should be doing, skating.
Thanks Marc!
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Asking him to leave? Carroll never said that in the jenkem interview I just reread it the other day. Carroll knew Marc was getting offers for years, Lakai matched the offer once before but recently after going through more financial troubles Lakai said we need to cut more pay and we understand at your age if you got more opportunity elsewhere go for it. That's a big difference than what Marc just said.
Reread the jenkem interview again Carroll was specific about how Marc was asked to be phased out of Lakai and how Marc blatantly lied to Carroll. Marc's recent revelation doesn't show a new side of the story it just proves he's a lie in ass hole and Carroll was telling the truth.
Bullshit Adidas is paying Marc less...That's either a lie too or Adidas just cut his pay or changed his contract due to all the recent cluster fuck drama Marc started.
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"At some point the bullshit wears thin. You've got ideas, and when you outrun the company and you've got all these ideas and the company can't keep up? It's ridiculous," Marc says. "You just talk to somebody who's willing to do these projects, [someone] who is progressive."
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Highly doubt MC asked their biggest name pro to leave
MC didn't ask him leave, but suggested that he leave for his own good...
"It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, You should probably take a better offer, because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy."
I guess in MJ's mind that equates to being asked to leave.
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MC didn't ask him leave, but suggested that he leave for his own good...
"It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, You should probably take a better offer, because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy."
I guess in MJ's mind that equates to being asked to leave.
as i understand it he was given an out, implied that he wouldn't take it, then took it anyway without saying anything... letting everyone who has been backing him, his team, get blindsided by some shit... the outright loss of a mate, in a way.
for all his posturing like he's some kind of evolved human or whatever, that's pretty shitty handling of a situation that (by the sounds of it) could've been well handled rather easily...
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MC didn't ask him leave, but suggested that he leave for his own good...
"It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, �You should probably take a better offer,� because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy."
I guess in MJ's mind that equates to being asked to leave.
as i understand it he was given an out, implied that he wouldn't take it, then took it anyway without saying anything... letting everyone who has been backing him, his team, get blindsided by some shit... the outright loss of a mate, in a way.
for all his posturing like he's some kind of evolved human or whatever, that's pretty shitty handling of a situation that (by the sounds of it) could've been well handled rather easily...
I had a friend who idolised MJ, half read a few whacky books based on pseudo-science mumbo jumbo and started rattling off the ideas as his own (while smoking copious amounts of weed).
He ended up losing absolutely everything and had a short stay in a nuthouse.
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i just wanna know what boards he's riding
I hope MJ ends somehow on Krooked !
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Get the band back together!
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Remember those old A-Team ad contests? It was like $1,000 bucks if you filmed the same trick in the sequence (same height, length, etc.). I believe you couldn't be sponsored. My memory retains so much useless information, I even remember the tricks...
MJ - Switch nosegrind 180 kickflip out
Rodney - Nosemanual 360 flip out
Mayhew - Kickflip nosegrind kickflip out
Thomas - Fakie hardflip, late 180 on a bank (fakie ghetto bird?)
Don't remember Gershons even though he was one of my favorite skaters back then.
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Correction: Rodney did a halfcab crook varial heel out.
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Remember those old A-Team ad contests? � It was like $1,000 bucks if you filmed the same trick in the sequence (same height, length, etc.). � I believe you couldn't be sponsored. � My memory retains so much useless information, I even remember the tricks...
MJ - Switch nosegrind 180 kickflip out
Rodney - Nosemanual 360 flip out
Mayhew - Kickflip nosegrind kickflip out
Thomas - Fakie hardflip, late 180 on a bank (fakie ghetto bird?)
Don't remember Gershons even though he was one of my favorite skaters back then.
Gershon's was that Ron Allen Yoshi Oboyashi one foot ollie thing, i think it was over a pyramid. Someone asked him about in an interview and he said he just wanted to do something totally different
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Cobracole Inc came up via that contest (partly).
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MC didn't ask him leave, but suggested that he leave for his own good...
"It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, �You should probably take a better offer,� because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy."
I guess in MJ's mind that equates to being asked to leave.
as i understand it he was given an out, implied that he wouldn't take it, then took it anyway without saying anything... letting everyone who has been backing him, his team, get blindsided by some shit... the outright loss of a mate, in a way.
You guys, MJ clearly said it's not about the money. What happened was that MJ came to Carroll with a bunch of ideas and Carroll was like "well we just can't keep up", maybe you should find someone more progressive. MJ's ideas outran the company and the bullshit wore thin.
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Cobracole Inc came up via that contest (partly).
think he did MJ's trick.
I think I read he won initially, but then didn't receive the money, since he was on flow for another World company at the time
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Remember those old A-Team ad contests? � It was like $1,000 bucks if you filmed the same trick in the sequence (same height, length, etc.). � I believe you couldn't be sponsored. � My memory retains so much useless information, I even remember the tricks...
MJ - Switch nosegrind 180 kickflip out
Rodney - Nosemanual 360 flip out
Mayhew - Kickflip nosegrind kickflip out
Thomas - Fakie hardflip, late 180 on a bank (fakie ghetto bird?)
Don't remember Gershons even though he was one of my favorite skaters back then.
Found it:
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr9l8pO0Yt1qa1zmoo1_500.png)
Gershon will always be one of my favorites, super underrated.
He skated our park (from the ad above) randomly for like a month straight, never saying a word, just destroying it, then disappeared and never came back. Him and MJ used to show up in separate Civics, MJ in a black one and Gershon a white one, it was rad.
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Chris Cole did Rodney's first trick, the nose manual nollie 3 flip out, then when they found out he was sponsored Rodney did the half cab crook varial heel. Don't think anyone came through on that, though.
I remember Marc's trick was labeled wrong, too. They either said it was regs when it was switch, or vice versa.
Gershon thought the contest was stupid and tried to make it fun with his. No one attempted it, and I think he got the money hah.
A-Team was a weird company.
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Correction: Rodney did a halfcab crook varial heel out.
I believe you mean 'The Shane Heyl'
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I believe Danny Garcia also did one of those tricks but was denied the prize money because he was on flow from menace at the time
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Remember those old A-Team ad contests? � It was like $1,000 bucks if you filmed the same trick in the sequence (same height, length, etc.). � I believe you couldn't be sponsored. � My memory retains so much useless information, I even remember the tricks...
MJ - Switch nosegrind 180 kickflip out
Rodney - Nosemanual 360 flip out
Mayhew - Kickflip nosegrind kickflip out
Thomas - Fakie hardflip, late 180 on a bank (fakie ghetto bird?)
Don't remember Gershons even though he was one of my favorite skaters back then.
Found it:
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Gershon will always be one of my favorites, super underrated.
He skated our park (from the ad above) randomly for like a month straight, never saying a word, just destroying it, then disappeared and never came back. Him and MJ used to show up in separate Civics, MJ in a black one and Gershon a white one, it was rad.
Did anyone catch in the GX video that Jake Johnson did this over a rail in japan, it was super quick and not really film in the best way to see it, a lot of people probably just thought it was a no comply
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I believe Danny Garcia also did one of those tricks but was denied the prize money because he was on flow from menace at the time
I think it was some company called Shaolin or something, a really small company, but also remember this
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It might help if he grew out his pony tail and strapped it super tight, to pull his face together a bit.
hahaha also popular in the welsh valleys
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Surprised at how much Marc is speaking in the comments, maybe that interview is finally coming.
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why do so many insta users have such stupid names? who would answer to somebody calling themselves hippy stank
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If only they had a more respectable name, like MexicanSpaniard
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why do so many insta users have such stupid names? who would answer to somebody calling themselves hippy stank
Hey my grandmother was called Hippy Stank and she came from a long line of proud Stanks.
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If only they had a more respectable name, like MexicanSpaniard
typical white scared of hispanicals coloradian
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If the story is so cut and dry according to Marc, I don't understand what the hold up is, unless he is holding out for Thrasher or another magazine. Is he pissed at Jenkem? If I was him I would've done the interview ASAP and we would all be done talking about this.
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I think Marc should just hold his comments.
I think he feels there is no need to further tarnish Girl/Crail.
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If the story is so cut and dry according to Marc, I don't understand what the hold up is, unless he is holding out for Thrasher or another magazine. Is he pissed at Jenkem? If I was him I would've done the interview ASAP and we would all be done talking about this.
Let's be real about it, we know why. He needs time to formulate a way out of this and make himself look better. MJ has been one of my favorite skaters since Maple but the dude is obviously full of shit.
Do I think Carroll's version of events is the "whole story" la Brink? No, of course not. But come on, Marc's been quiet to not further tarnish Crail? I'm sure he'd love people to think that.
In a real way he should just shut up and skate. Every time he addresses the situation he looks like a kook. I'd love to hear Kenny Anderson's take on this.
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Thing is, Carroll has never been one to hold his tongue. He speaks candidly with no bullshit. He wouldn't have willing put MJ on blast unless it were true. Shit, he could be sued for slander if it weren't considering the repercussions for any future endeavors that come MJ's way as far as sponsors go.
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MJ's keeps tweaking his story. I don't think he's trustworthy here. If someone blew me up like MC did MJ, and I had the avenues to respond, I would have done that the next fucking day. Instead of giving an interview to a skate mag, he's responding to his IG followers. Marc's got egg on his face and he doesn't know how to deal with it.
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MJ's keeps tweaking his story. I don't think he's trustworthy here. If someone blew me up like MC did MJ, and I had the avenues to respond, I would have done that the next fucking day. Instead of giving an interview to a skate mag, he's responding to his IG followers. Marc's got egg on his face and he doesn't know how to deal with it.
He did with Daewon Song and he didn't say anything while Daewon talked about his situation.
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maybe he's working on an actual interview with photos of himself doing tricks on his skateboard. that can take some time.
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maybe he's working on an actual interview with photos of himself doing tricks on his skateboard. that can take some time.
MJ skating? That'll be the day!
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Bruh. He did a 13 min part
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Marc is still drunk thinking he is on chocolate still ,he has s happy as hell.
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Maybe is off topic, IDK, or someone said it before and im to lazy tu read a whole 55 pages threads... But someone knows the reason why MJ is skating with nikes in that Australian tour with emerica in that old ON VIDEO. Always wondered that, he had the same problems with emerica back in the day, wanted to piss them off?.... Is always MJ a douche? Do the same when he breaks up.?
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Near the end of his time on emerica, wasn't it that he was pretty pissed that he and some others were busting their asses really hard but all the shine was going to Reynolds/Ellington/Greco even though they were super wasted, late to everything, and not skating for the whole tour? MJ left early or something like that.
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Maybe is off topic, IDK, or someone said it before and im to lazy tu read a whole 55 pages threads... But someone knows the reason why MJ is skating with nikes in that Australian tour with emerica in that old ON VIDEO. Always wondered that, he had the same problems with emerica back in the day, wanted to piss them off?.... Is always MJ a douche? Do the same when he breaks up.?
I think part of it was he hated the MJ 2 shoe but i think there was a bunch of other stuff.
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legend has it that emerica wanted him to skate more rails.
es wanted Creager to do the same.
es dropped its whole team and pretended to go under... just to come back even less inspired and without a team
soletech was one of the original to give mall shops deeper discounts than skate shops
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I think part of it was he hated the MJ 2 shoe but i think there was a bunch of other stuff.
Cry me a river :'( that shoe was dope.
The reason is ... wait for it ... it was just marc being marc.
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Maybe is off topic, IDK, or someone said it before and im to lazy tu read a whole 55 pages threads... But someone knows the reason why MJ is skating with nikes in that Australian tour with emerica in that old ON VIDEO.� Always wondered that, he had the same problems with emerica back in the day, wanted to piss them off?.... Is always MJ a douche? Do the same when he breaks up.?
He was wearing cortez' which were chillers/runners. Just like how you've seen him wear cons in chocolate commercials and Jerry wearing cons at video premieres. They're not forced to wear their sponsor's shoe when they're not seriously skating. Even reynolds would wear vans casually. You think Emerica would let them put that in the on video if they didn't want him wearing those?
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legend has it that emerica wanted him to skate more rails.
es wanted Creager to do the same.
es dropped its whole team and pretended to go under... just to come back even less inspired and without a team
soletech was one of the original to give mall shops deeper discounts than skate shops
This was the reason he was skating in Cortez on that tour. Sole tech were trying to push them to skate bigger shit at that time because that what was popular, kids wanted to see, or whatever. Creager has talked about it in interviews in the past and I'm pretty sure Johnson has as well. I believe he was just on that tour to fill out his "contractual obligation" to Emerica,and soon after dipped to Lakai, Another Mike Carroll Power Move". Then once he was on soon produced an Addidas Campus rip off model that was popular as shit. Guess it was kind of his fuck you to a Sole Tech at the time, you know I'm leaving, I have to do this tour, but I'm not wearing your product.
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Wasn't l33geek was involved in that?
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I love how he tries to sound so smart on that post when the the thing is fake
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Thought I'd post this: way way back in this thread, someone was heckling mj for an article where he talked about bees (July 2007, skateboard mag)...
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anyone ever try the speeding ticket extension one? i would just always show up in court and about 50% of the time the officer wouldnt show up. the times they did show up, the points got dropped and all i had to do was pay.
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anyone ever try the speeding ticket extension one? i would just always show up in court and about 50% of the time the officer wouldnt show up. the times they did show up, the points got dropped and all i had to do was pay.
Better odds for me, I think 5/5 my last tickets the officer didn't show so they were dropped w/no fines.
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anyone ever try the speeding ticket extension one? i would just always show up in court and about 50% of the time the officer wouldnt show up. the times they did show up, the points got dropped and all i had to do was pay.
I tried that one but they only let you extend it once. Then after that you gotta get lucky the cop don't show up. The way the budgets are looking these cops are showing up
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hes alive
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
also new page...
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nice! would love to see that bigspin pivot fakie while MOVING!
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Yeah what a bum ? ::).
edit: I can't wait until the Carrol-MJ pic becomes quoted so many times that it makes it's own page then it just get copied over and over until the site crashes.
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hes alive
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
also new page...
I hear what you're saying and I got you fam...
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it's this time again.
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hes alive
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
also new page...
*wipes brow*
I'm sure glad he made the move to adidas otherwise I'm almost certain we wouldn't have seen such a creative project like this ::)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
also new page...
*wipes brow*
I'm sure glad he made the move to adidas otherwise I'm almost certain we wouldn't have seen such a creative project like this ::)
i wonder if he used that tri pod angle because someone filming him would have hindered his creativeness to get that bank trick :o
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHUX18AVqo/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
also new page...
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I'm sure glad he made the move to adidas otherwise I'm almost certain we wouldn't have seen such a creative project like this ::)
I'll never look at banks the same way again.. This type of art might scare some people, ruffle feathers etc.. But that's what an artist does, dares to soar to godlike heights, to break the chains of perception and temporality.
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heres a new one https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
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heres a new one https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
Lol: "I'm gonna see u in real life and hug u so hard u can't stop me"
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That shit was so cheesy it might has well be nachos
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Lol: "I'm gonna see u in real life and hug u so hard u can't stop me"
haha mj 5ever
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ADIDAS PITCH ROOM: EPISODE 1
Marc: So.. picture a tripod shot..black and white..and theres a kicker and a picnic table. theres a lounge type song..dodo bird imagery..then a limp penis..
adidas brand guy: that sound pretty progressive..
Marc: I know.
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Stoked that MJ uses the same "I have no friends" camera angles I do.
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Marc is soooo "edgy" ::)
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Stoked that MJ uses the same "I have no friends" camera angles I do.
Hahah! Yeah, we are just like MJ!
Makes me kind of sad to think he might just be going to the park in the middle of the night by himself.
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Stoked that MJ uses the same "I have no friends" camera angles I do.
Makes me kind of sad to think he might just be going to the park in the middle of the night by himself.
I wish I could go to the park in the middle of the night by myself.
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Marc is soooo "edgy" ::)
That last clip was pretty "creative" though, I can see why he needed to leave lakai
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All of that shit in the last clip for a non make?
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C'mon Tobey even if it WAS a make it's not worth it
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heres a new one https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
Lol: "I'm gonna see u in real life and hug u so hard u can't stop me"
Plot twist https://www.instagram.com/_otherness/ (https://www.instagram.com/_otherness/)
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heres a new one https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson (https://www.instagram.com/p/BKP2WK2g2Fd/?taken-by=marcjohnson)
Lol: "I'm gonna see u in real life and hug u so hard u can't stop me"
Plot twist https://www.instagram.com/_otherness/ (https://www.instagram.com/_otherness/)
Holy crap he's loosing it. Thinks he's Tyler Durden now.
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His beautifully smooth technical skateboarding is Tyler Durden and the rest of his personality is The Narrator
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Do MJ and Mike Carroll make sure the other isn't at Biebel's park when they go there??
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Marc is soooo "edgy" ::)
He's like a first year film student at a liberal arts college.
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Dodo birds = progression cuz, like, they went extinct. So, like, there's, like, juxtaposition there. It's, like, a metaphor for the human condition. We're, like, poisoning our bodies with honey.
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Dodo birds = progression cuz, like, they went extinct. So, like, there's, like, juxtaposition there. It's, like, a metaphor for the human condition. We're, like, poisoning our bodies with honey.
jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams
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Do MJ and Mike Carroll make sure the other isn't at Biebel's park when they go there??
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seems like marc got rejected from the 18
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seems like marc got rejected from the 18
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Sonofabitch, I was backing him this whole time.. Too much salt.
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So he is mad that people prefer camping during skate trips? then put a hotel phone in a new shoe(I hope)
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4 month anniversary guys
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What exactly has the Crail camp done since this?
Still, no date for the Lakai video.
Put Yonnie on Lakia in a very rushed and reactionary way.
No additions to either Chocolate or Girl.
Put's out more bull shit collab shoes.
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What exactly has the Crail camp done since this?
Still, no date for the Lakai video.
Put Yonnie on Lakia in a very rushed and reactionary way.
No additions to either Chocolate or Girl.
Put's out more bull shit collab shoes.
I still don't buy they're products
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(http://i.imgur.com/4ysxk1y.jpg)
That wine bottle there... hahaha
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What exactly has the Crail camp done since this?
Still, no date for the Lakai video.
Put Yonnie on Lakia in a very rushed and reactionary way.
No additions to either Chocolate or Girl.
Put's out more bull shit collab shoes.
supposed to be October
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You guys know MJ was screwed out of money(royalties) from Lakai for over a year? He could've easily sued and bankrupt the brand, but didn't. Instead he just found a new sponsor who would actually pay him what they are supposed to.
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MJ, I would like you way more if you weren't so pretentious, and if you didn't say things only to back out about them entirely. This is my message to you.
Now go forth, pals, and relay it to him. Namaste.
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You guys know MJ was screwed out of money(royalties) from Lakai for over a year? He could've easily sued and bankrupt the brand, but didn't. Instead he just found a new sponsor who would actually pay him what they are supposed to.
Source?
Further details?
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You guys know MJ was screwed out of money(royalties) from Lakai for over a year? He could've easily sued and bankrupt the brand, but didn't. Instead he just found a new sponsor who would actually pay him what they are supposed to.
Yeah, I think its probably a stretch to say if this allegation is true he would bankrupt the company. Lawsuits of royalty payments are difficult, they almost always settle if there is real injury, and MJ would only really be able to sue for what he was owed for the alleged 1 year loss of royalty payments. Which I would guess is much less than crailtap going bankrupt.
But more fundamentally, that is fucked if he lost royalty payments.
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is crailtap REALLY doing as bad as we think? ive been watching carrols dog fly around the world first class on instagram this past week. i think theyre doing just fine over there.
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is crailtap REALLY doing as bad as we think? ive been watching carrols dog fly around the world first class on instagram this past week. i think theyre doing just fine over there.
Someone out there is still buying their boards.
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Girl is probably the second or third biggest board co., they're not going away anytime soon unless rick or mike jump ship
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seems like marc got rejected from the 18
(http://i.imgur.com/c6zKwBQ.png)
That's a hot take right there. Finally someone has the balls to offer up some real talk.
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not Adidas related but something about his board sponsor maybe
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Girl is probably the second or third biggest board co., they're not going away anytime soon unless rick or mike jump ship
lol, no where near it
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What exactly has the Crail camp done since this?
Still, no date for the Lakai video.
Put Yonnie on Lakia in a very rushed and reactionary way.
No additions to either Chocolate or Girl.
Put's out more bull shit collab shoes.
Where is the trailer?
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Girl is probably the second or third biggest board co., they're not going away anytime soon unless rick or mike jump ship
lol, no where near it
Point is moot anyway. Lehman brothers was one of the biggest and oldest investment firms on Wall St. before it collapsed. Big companies get involved in big deals, and when overhead is huge, they can collapse just as easily as any sized company
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
I have no opinion as to the truth of it, but Malto is smart/business minded enough to honor contracts. He wouldn't leave Mike and Rick with a warehouse full of unsellable boards.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
no need to be a dick about it, just relaying to you guys what I've heard. that's what slap is for isn't it?
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
no need to be a dick about it, just relaying to you guys what I've heard. that's what slap is for isn't it?
You were literally just making fun of me because you thought i followed Malto on instagram. Also nobody gives a shit that you're friends with the berrics skateboards employee
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
no need to be a dick about it, just relaying to you guys what I've heard. that's what slap is for isn't it?
You were literally just making fun of me because you thought i followed Malto on instagram. Also nobody gives a shit that you're friends with the berrics skateboards employee
didn't realize I was bragging haha. have a bad day skating that ledge tobey?
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
no need to be a dick about it, just relaying to you guys what I've heard. that's what slap is for isn't it?
You were literally just making fun of me because you thought i followed Malto on instagram. Also nobody gives a shit that you're friends with the berrics skateboards employee
didn't realize I was bragging haha. have a bad day skating that ledge tobey?
No it was raining so i went to this park and played Pokemon go for like an hour after class. Took over 2 gyms so its been a good day
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
no need to be a dick about it, just relaying to you guys what I've heard. that's what slap is for isn't it?
You were literally just making fun of me because you thought i followed Malto on instagram. Also nobody gives a shit that you're friends with the berrics skateboards employee
didn't realize I was bragging haha. have a bad day skating that ledge tobey?
No it was raining so i went to this park and played Pokemon go for like an hour after class. Took over 2 gyms so its been a good day
sounds nice, I'm glad your days going good :-)
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
supposedly they're putting them both on, no clue why it has to take fucking years though. and malto is on sovrn now. is that not known information?
Its not known information because its not true
I don't really give a shit about either but yeah it is. so is jack fardell randomly.
If he was on now why would he tag girl skateboards in his last photo that he posted 8 hours ago? Did he just get on these past 8 hours?
haha why do you follow him on instagram. maybe I shouldn't be saying this on here then but an unnamed employee of sovrn told me that a few weeks ago. I know they're putting out a nick matthews and nate greenwood welcome part so I'm guessing that's when they'll announce who's actually on. rumors man....los angeles is funny.
I don't follow malto on instagram, ever hear of the search function? Also Maltos cool so i wouldn't give a fuck if i did follow him
no need to be a dick about it, just relaying to you guys what I've heard. that's what slap is for isn't it?
You were literally just making fun of me because you thought i followed Malto on instagram. Also nobody gives a shit that you're friends with the berrics skateboards employee
didn't realize I was bragging haha. have a bad day skating that ledge tobey?
No it was raining so i went to this park and played Pokemon go for like an hour after class. Took over 2 gyms so its been a good day
"Yeah...get hungry on it gurl" Sean Malto
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
He's been pro for Traffic since Static IV/V.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
You must be living under a rock because he's been getting Chocolate boards for at least the past year.
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seems like marc got rejected from the 18
(http://i.imgur.com/c6zKwBQ.png)
Honestly, I don't even get his beef here. Way to be edgy and criptic though brah ;D
At this point his "response" is about as likely as D. Way's new Plan B part
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
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seems like marc got rejected from the 18
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At this point his "response" is about as likely as D. Way's new Plan B part
Marc's whole IG game is a video part, man.
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Crailtap has a few younger guys they're flowing, Neils Bennett Simon Bannerot Zach Saraceno, who seem like they are going to be the "future" of the team. All with really good styles unlike Malto.
If they don't put Giorgio Villone fully on girl and Yonnie fully on Chocolate they're fucking blowing it. Also whats up with this lakai video? never seen a single trailer or ad for it.
You must be living under a rock because he's been getting Chocolate boards for at least the past year.
Nah, but I don't have an Instagram, and don't really notice unless footage has slow motion. The only reason I thought he was still on was because I saw a Traffic board with his name on it last week, at full price.
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New hour long interview
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1083756324992918&id=250207351681157
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New hour long interview
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1083756324992918&id=250207351681157
i said it once and i'll say it again, i've seen 60 year olds that look better than marc, cigarettes are a bitch
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I don't think I have it in me to listen to MJ yak for an hour--can we get a cliffnotes version?
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An hour? No way.
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i listened to the whole thing at work. it was kinda painful. there was some cool shit, but nothing about what we all wanna hear: Marc's rebuttal. there was some weird shit where he's talking about how the world has changed and blah, blah, blah, IG/FB vids and they touched on the Clint Walker example. And then after marc talks about sitting on footage for year and now everything is straight to the internet and all that, they ask if people can still put out a full length vid and have the impact that Fully Flared had, etc. And Daewon says yes, and MJ looks like he's going to explode. it was kind of weird. other than that, a lot of Rodney praise, talking about trick progression over time, demos.
Overall, not too informative, but not bad background noise for work.
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An hour? No way.
On Facebook player too
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i listened to the whole thing at work. it was kinda painful. there was some cool shit, but nothing about what we all wanna hear: Marc's rebuttal. there was some weird shit where he's talking about how the world has changed and blah, blah, blah, IG/FB vids and they touched on the Clint Walker example. And then after marc talks about sitting on footage for year and now everything is straight to the internet and all that, they ask if people can still put out a full length vid and have the impact that Fully Flared had, etc. And Daewon says yes, and MJ looks like he's going to explode. it was kind of weird. other than that, a lot of Rodney praise, talking about trick progression over time, demos.
Overall, not too informative, but not bad background noise for work.
Thank you.
And of course a full length can still have an impact...maybe even more so these days since web only parts are so common that a full length becomes a noteworthy event now.
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I'm 20 minutes in & it's totally worth the listen. Lots of good skate nerd talk so far, including Daewon talking about how the fuck he does some of his wacky shit. Audio sucks but in headphones I can make everything out.
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Cigarettes, not even once.
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I watched five minutes of it and it's really boring, so to save you from the first 5 minutes here's a recap. Not quotes, but I tried to use as much of Marc's language as I could remember:
Marc isn't "technically" working on anything right now. He's working everyday on skateboarding stuff that doesn't involve actually riding a skateboard, but as far as filming skateboarding, he's not doing that. He says something about starting to think about what he wants to do for an Adidas introduction thing.
Someone asks if he's looking at board companies to ride for. After lots of pausing and stuttering, Marc says he's more focused on what he wants to do for photos and videos; he's checking out songs and making notes about stuff.
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
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Marc Johnson could disappear and not say a thing and this would be so much more enjoyable.
MJ you are done and no one cares about anything you have to say.
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Marc Johnson could disappear and not say a thing and this would be so much more enjoyable.
MJ you are done and no one cares about anything you have to say.
59 page slap thread says otherwise.
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I skated a Hsu board recently and was lovely. Flow it to a hommie and hes doing switch big spins on that bae these days. BTW Vincent is the king of Crailtap.
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Pretty Sweet Full Skate Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSsSctpS9Sk#)
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Aside from sound quality this was a good interview don't know why people are hating on it. I'm sure everyone wants MJs rebutal to Carroll and I'm sure eventually it will be out. Regardless, this shit was alright. On a side note I do find it funny as hell people get so butt hurt over this whole "fiasco" when basically Carroll did the same thing to Vans, Plan B, and DC.
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On a side note I do find it funny as hell people get so butt hurt over this whole "fiasco" when basically Carroll did the same thing to Vans, Plan B, and DC.
quite crazy how people here lack basic reading & understanding skills.
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On a side note I do find it funny as hell people get so butt hurt over this whole "fiasco" when basically Carroll did the same thing to Vans, Plan B, and DC.
quite crazy how people here lack basic reading & understanding skills.
Its insane that no one knows the full story yet guys
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On a side note I do find it funny as hell people get so butt hurt over this whole "fiasco" when basically Carroll did the same thing to Vans, Plan B, and DC.
quite crazy how people here lack basic reading & understanding skills.
Its insane that no one knows the full story yet guys
I see what you did there
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That was actually one of the best skate interviews I've seen lately. They actually talked about SKATEBOARDING which is so rare for skate media these days. Loved hearing MJ, Spencer & Daewon just shooting the shit about skateboarding, spots. etc.
Loved this from Daewon after having a bunch of wood left over from a project: "I realized: I'm lazy. I'm not gonna build anything. I'm just gonna skate this pile of wood."
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How the fuck do you posi?! This is amazing lol.
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Has this been pulled out of the vault yet? Wonder if this was Marc's progressive idea?
(http://www.crailtap.com/c3/newrandoms/zissouManchester.jpg)
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Hmm
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLcsJoegwTT/?taken-by=jacksonpilz (https://www.instagram.com/p/BLcsJoegwTT/?taken-by=jacksonpilz)
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Hmm
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLcsJoegwTT/?taken-by=jacksonpilz (https://www.instagram.com/p/BLcsJoegwTT/?taken-by=jacksonpilz)
that's the only thing that would make sense in this crazy mixed up world.
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Has this been pulled out of the vault yet? Wonder if this was Marc's progressive idea?
(http://www.crailtap.com/c3/newrandoms/zissouManchester.jpg)
He's in Adidas now, so maybe a Royal Tennenbaum's collab could be done.
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Has this been pulled out of the vault yet? Wonder if this was Marc's progressive idea?
(http://www.crailtap.com/c3/newrandoms/zissouManchester.jpg)
that looks like the best shoe I've ever seen in my life
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So who is the elusive third pro on the three stripes then?
People have been saying Reynolds but personally I don't think any of us could deal with that...
JT is in Japan atm which seems a bit fishy because there was an adidas event on in Tokyo to celebrate Dennis being on the three stripes for 10 years now ??? ??? I could actually see the cheif going to adidas ttyt
Sorry to take this thread of topic but I doubt we'll ever see any sort of rebuttal* from marc
*vague and psuedo-intellectual posts on instagram don't count as actual rebuttals
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So who is the elusive third pro on the three stripes then?
People have been saying Reynolds but personally I don't think any of us could deal with that...
JT is in Japan atm which seems a bit fishy because there was an adidas event on in Tokyo to celebrate Dennis being on the three stripes for 10 years now ??? ??? I could actually see the cheif going to adidas ttyt
Sorry to take this thread of topic but I doubt we'll ever see any sort of rebuttal* from marc
*vague and psuedo-intellectual posts on instagram don't count as actual rebuttals
The rebuttal is going to be out on Playboy via Brink the same day D-Way part breaks the web with his new moves. Rumor is Cole is of and MJ is on... ::)
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
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That was actually one of the best skate interviews I've seen lately. They actually talked about SKATEBOARDING which is so rare for skate media these days. Loved hearing MJ, Spencer & Daewon just shooting the shit about skateboarding, spots. etc.
Loved this from Daewon after having a bunch of wood left over from a project: "I realized: I'm lazy. I'm not gonna build anything. I'm just gonna skate this pile of wood."
At halfway through : this interview is great.
Daewon is funny as fuck everytime he opens his mouth.
Gou Miyagi speaks way better English then I thought he would.
The first 5 minutes from MJ alone was some of the best cringiest shit I've ever seen.
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
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Gou Miyagi speaks way better English then I thought he would.
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
a couple of tricks in a team montage is not a full part
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
a couple of tricks in a team montage is not a full part
heard pj's next part will be called batb 10
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
a couple of tricks in a team montage is not a full part
he just needs to film some more moves and it's good as done
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
a couple of tricks in a team montage is not a full part
Just another three and a half minutes and we're good
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
a couple of tricks in a team montage is not a full part
Just another three and a half minutes and we're good
yeah i heard he's been filming some really long fast SF lines so it should fill in the part rather well, i heard it was gonna be a 420 exclusive thrasher part along with antwuans comeback part
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Pops and Gino are working on something together, thats a fact. Maybe is a shared part but word on the street is that the project is more like a lifestyle-blogger website but I cant confirm. They have a producer whos some guy that on the past invested on vegan restaurants on Soho so is going to be classy NY AF for sure. Cant wait...
Also:
New Page: 60
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Let me guess, Popps and PJ are dropping full-length parts too yeah?
Actually PJ is dropping a part for New Balance sometime soon.
I bet he is.
a couple of tricks in a team montage is not a full part
Just another three and a half minutes and we're good
I don't know this or that about Antwuan, but I know the guy who has been filming PJ in SF, and he's showed me some of the lines. Not quite as tech as the old PJ stuff, but still plenty of flips in and out with the complete control at high speed we all fell in love with in his WHL part. Its going to be epic.
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Do you know who the vid is for? Is it a NB vid or is it just a personal part that's being released? It's weird how he pretty much only releases footage through NB vids, and ZERO for Plan B.
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Lot of forward thinking...glad Adidas can keep up with MJs innovations.
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Lot of forward thinking...glad Adidas can keep up with MJs innovations.
IKR?! He saw another shoe they already had and changed the colour of it.
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Wait, you guys actually understand what this is about? It's way too abstract for me. Marc is definitely on a higher plain of existence. No wonder Lakai couldn't handle his genius.
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I'm just glad Adidas gives him all this room and freedom for his projects he always wanted to do but just couldn't on Lakai. I also like all the latest footage he puts on his Insta. It's like an endless stream of gnarly street footage.
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those shoes are gross...the color/stripes/midtop/toe cap combo is just killing me
whats up with that Carroll text in the add...more shots fired at Crail?
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successful trolling +1 watson
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glad he's finally paired up with a company who will truly allow him to follow his vision. Genius
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Lot of forward thinking...glad Adidas can keep up with MJs innovations.
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MJ will probably retire before he gets a shoe
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MJ will probably pitch his creative ideas to shark tank and get funded before he gets a shoe
it's a joke btw
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Just wanted to see this on the front page again.
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This shit's been a wild ride. Also this was the first thread where I really noticed the reading comprehension level of SLAP slipping, hard.
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I think if you're a fan of the crail camp, this is going to end up being the best thing for them. Seems like Rick and Mike have been in front of the camera a lot more since this fiascos.
Too bad the Lakai video didn't come out in October like it was supposed to.
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It's been 178 days and we are still waiting for the other side of the story.
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They started the interview 170 days ago, Marc is still on the second question though. The recording device ran out of memory on day 13, but Marc just won't stop.
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It's been 178 days and we are still waiting for the other side of the story.
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It's been 178 days and we are still waiting for the other side of the story.
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+1 for making me laugh this morning.
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grandpa/homer grandpa/homer grandpa/homer
"don't play with their faces.."
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+1 for making me laugh this morning.
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
Just cuz. #neverforget
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Rebuttal sure is taking its pretty sweet time
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oh boy...
I can see them exploring the matter lightly, possibly just a "what do you have planned or what have you been up to with Adidas kind off thing", or just not at all. Conflict off interest.
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They'll probably beat around the bush for most of it and then Marc will say some loud pseudo-intellectual statement that impresses Kelly despite not actually meaning anything.
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Something tells me they wont ask what everyone wants to ask or he'll give the same bullshit response about "projects". Somebody needs to just straight up ask him, and get this over with. The only thing i can think about now every time i see anything related to Marc is what a lying hypocrite he is. Maybe people are scared of him or something, Like when Brink refused to ask Markovich about the Jeremy Wray Wallenberg incident that everyone was waiting for them to ask.
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Like when Brink refused to ask Markovich about the Jeremy Wray Wallenberg incident that everyone was waiting for them to ask.
something tells me you just don't know the whole story! ;)
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I can see them exploring the matter lightly, possibly just a "what do you have planned or what have you been up to with Adidas kind off thing", or just not at all. Conflict off interest.
WTF kind of still frame is that? He looks crazy...this is going to be lame...I bet it's going to be another typical MJ interview, except this time it's who he likes in skating right now which is all he's been vocal about for the past year since lying to Carroll about quitting Lakai and having everyone find out at the Adidas premier.
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It'd be cool if MJ was just straightforward about it and said "you know what? I messed up. I lied. What I did was super lame, and for that I apologize". But i have a feeling he isn't going to say any of that and is gonna just keep dodging addressing the issue (because he knows he's in the wrong and doesn't want to admit it or because the powers that be over at adidas are refusing to let him do so because it'd make adidas look bad and be bad for business) or make up some excuse about why he was in the right for what he did.
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I'll bet they spend an exorbitant amount of time discussing his new hat company.
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It's going down for real 🎶🎶
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I'll bet they spend an exorbitant amount of time discussing his new hat company.
a hat company is all fine and dandy but $40? really?
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OH yes. Can't wait for tomorrow.
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I'll bet they spend an exorbitant amount of time discussing his new hat company.
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On Shetler's podcast Marc talked about how he and Reynolds started the company just to give hats away for free/super cheap and thought that was sick. Actually got kind of excited when I heard they were for sale to the public until I saw those prices. :/
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August 2016: 3 calls and a day at the cafe, 5 & 1/2 hours of tape and a 110 page/43,000 word interview transcription. After you enjoy his @thenineclubshow episode this evening, you've got even more @marcjohnson to look forward to in the near future ... 😉 #workingonit #onehellofanedit #gimmeaminuteortwo #likeafinewine #sorrycandlesgotintheway #SOTY #onceaSOTYalwaysaSOTY #2017yearoftheMJ #marcjohnson #mj
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August 2016: 3 calls and a day at the cafe, 5 & 1/2 hours of tape and a 110 page/43,000 word interview transcription. After you enjoy his @thenineclubshow episode this evening, you've got even more @marcjohnson to look forward to in the near future ... 😉 #workingonit #onehellofanedit #gimmeaminuteortwo #likeafinewine #sorrycandlesgotintheway #SOTY #onceaSOTYalwaysaSOTY #2017yearoftheMJ #marcjohnson
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Fuck!!! hope he doesn't make an 8 min edit out of all this.
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August 2016: 3 calls and a day at the cafe, 5 & 1/2 hours of tape and a 110 page/43,000 word interview transcription. After you enjoy his @thenineclubshow episode this evening, you've got even more @marcjohnson to look forward to in the near future ... 😉 #workingonit #onehellofanedit #gimmeaminuteortwo #likeafinewine #sorrycandlesgotintheway #SOTY #onceaSOTYalwaysaSOTY #2017yearoftheMJ #marcjohnson #mj
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This thread is going to hit 100 pages easy
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brink really is coming through with the whole story
Hope so. I like The Nine Club, it's really entertaining but it's all real nice, they never get into anything too serious. It's more like chatting among friends and that's their thing.
I have high hopes of this Brink's piece, though.
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skateboarding wise - nothing else i am interested in.
He is IMO on Mckay, Way, Berra, Lee Status.
But hey surprise me - get all in, in the name
of the three stripes...
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He's got his support group (Ave and Guy) and is doing well in AA, so I hear.
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I hope my love for Carroll isn't tarnished by Brink's interview :'(
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Not sure why it's not on their YouTube but here it is:
http://www.thenineclub.com/the-nine-club-show-podcast/36-marc-johnson/2/19/2017 (http://www.thenineclub.com/the-nine-club-show-podcast/36-marc-johnson/2/19/2017)
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1 hour and 41 minutes.
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I hope my love for Carroll isn't tarnished by Brink's interview :'(
I don't see how it would. Carroll told the truth even though it made his company look like shit, like not being able to pay riders and constantly making his top pros take pay cuts. He even told Marc to take the deal. Marc just ignored his good friend and boss at that time and was completely selfish and acting dumb as fuck. Like how would you not know you were going to be announced in the away days video when you filmed tricks for it? Marc fucked up and is an alcoholic so i wouldn't be surprised if he starts believing his own lies, hell i did that �
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maybe it was his way of getting back at lakai for all the years he spent filming for fully flared.
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Not sure why it's not on their YouTube but here it is:
http://www.thenineclub.com/the-nine-club-show-podcast/36-marc-johnson/2/19/2017 (http://www.thenineclub.com/the-nine-club-show-podcast/36-marc-johnson/2/19/2017)
it just popped up.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-uUSSf1gAw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-uUSSf1gAw#)
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1:21:22 is where the wohle issue is adressed
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My 2 cents:
- Mike Carroll/Lakai shouldn't expect their riders to stay when they are not getting paid what they are supposed to, at a time Nike/Adidas/Converse/New Balance has the funding to treat any skaters like a king.
- MJ was probably too overwhelmed with adult issues (alcohol, death of his mothers, debts) and probably some grudge to be able to negociate/talk peacefully with Lakai.
Skateboarding business is not what was it once was, and people running brand should understand that product quality is nowadays as important as marketing output.
In a perfect world MJ will be welcomed back on chocolate.
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[NPR Hushed Voice] - Yeah. Totally. Wow. Right, right, right.
Who's that dipshit in the middle? "Skate shoe companies make shitty shoes, Nike, Adidas and Converse make good shoes, I'm a fucking cocksucking fuckface space waster." Fuck him.
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I posted this in the actual Nine Club thread but I'm gonna double dip.
It was a decent interview and I'm glad he finally addressed it, but nothing was really answered that we didn't already know. We know that he was asked to wait for his announcement, and we sorta have to assume that he agreed because otherwise why would Carroll wait until after the premiere to kick him off Chocolate and go off about it?
I don't really fault him for switching if things are really going poorly at Crailtap, but the whole controversy is how he went about it and this doesn't really answer any of it.
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What I took from it was that he had a definite timeline as to when he would become a free agent (I think he said five months), so when the company that he was hoping to ride for at the end of that time asked for him to film tricks for a video, that had been three years in the making, he said yes to solidify that deal. If his leaving Lakai was as inevitable as was stated then I don't see it as that much of a problem. However, five months is a lifetime on the internet and it was equally inevitable that there would be backlash.
In summation; I have always liked his backside 360's, I have never found him particularly funny, and I am no more or less likely to buy addidas or lakai as a result of this whole debacle (not a nike reference).
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[NPR Hushed Voice] - Yeah. Totally. Wow. Right, right, right.
Who's that dipshit in the middle? "Skate shoe companies make shitty shoes, Nike, Adidas and Converse make good shoes, I'm a fucking cocksucking fuckface space waster." Fuck him.
The one time i want Kelly to push the button was just to see his reaction to that statement
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My 2 cents:
- Mike Carroll/Lakai shouldn't expect their riders to stay when they are not getting paid what they are supposed to, at a time Nike/Adidas/Converse/New Balance has the funding to treat any skaters like a king.
- MJ was probably too overwhelmed with adult issues (alcohol, death of his mothers, debts) and probably some grudge to be able to negociate/talk peacefully with Lakai.
Skateboarding business is not what was it once was, and people running brand should understand that product quality is nowadays as important as marketing output.
In a perfect world MJ will be welcomed back on chocolate.
I understand, but people keep making this mistake. Everything was already apparently peaceful, with MC even telling Marc to take the deal with Adidas. It was gonna be a smooth transition in which a friend was looking after a friend. People keep assuming that it was hard for Marc to be upfront about the situation, but it was a mutual agreement. The problem here is the whole introduction to the team thing in Away Days; in this case all Marc had to do was be straightforward with MC so he could negotiate with Adidas all the MJ shoes left in stock. Honesty would've been the key, and even with all the problems Marc had, the fact is he is an adult. It cannot be excused that he just blatantly acted shady knowing the backlash this would cause. Another inexcusable aspect of this issue is the legality of the whole thing, everybody has problems, but the law doesn't care about your problems. He breached his contract with Lakai, that is a fact.
This could have all been solved through honest conversations, he could've talked to MC and talked to Adidas to reach a happy medium in which both parts weren't harmed. In which both parts reached a consensus and thus all would be good.
I keep questioning if people really read that Jenkem interview or if they even understood it, shit blows my mind. People keep assuming and speculating shit when it's all there. MC called it and MJ still hasn't responded shit, which makes me believe that there is no "whole story". I think Marc's answer is just gonna be a lot of shit from the past: "He did this to this rider, he was shady in this situation. etc." In which case it is now irrelevant (but interesting) since we all make mistakes and what matters is that we evolve for the better.
But hey, maybe I just don't know the whole story ;)
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and that is the whole issue. He stated himself in the 9club interview, Away Days Premiere was at May 12th and that he was filming the tricks for his introduction on May 8th knowing that he will be in it.
Here is the part of MC interview that illustrates why people might think that MJ was the asshole...
"[...]We had to reduce pay and I just told him, you know what, this sucks. You?ve been in this for fucking years, putting your all into it, blood, sweat and tears and I wouldn?t feel comfortable asking you to stick around. We talked for a while, and I knew he was going to go skate for them. Everybody started talking about the rumors again, but it was a mutual thing and fully respectful. It was a sad moment. It sucked for me to have to tell him that, and to have to say, ?You should probably take a better offer,? because these motherfuckers are coming at you all crazy. He?s almost 40 years old, I think at this age you should go get yours. And if he was gonna stay on, I didn?t want him to be resentful for the decision.
I sent him a termination agreement over a month ago and in that agreement we asked him to hold off a while from announcing because we had our product and the agreement was to protect us and the production. But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while. But I knew it was asking for a lot. But? that?s what he?s getting paid for? Then I heard more rumors and I hit him up for a couple of days and he wasn?t responding so I had to be blunt. I was like, ?Hey, I?ve been hearing these rumors that you are about to be announced at the Away Days premiere. What?s the deal with this?? I thought he was going to be on the team through at least the summer or July.
Then he finally got back to me, but was just like, ?No, there?s no announcement? who would say that?? So I asked him again, ?There?s no announcement tomorrow?? He?s like, ?No.? Then the next day, the night of the premiere I just get a text, ?Marc was just announced in the video.? I was just like? that is insane. Last night on the phone he said nothing was happening. [...]"
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I really identify with MJ these days (since I am also occasionally an unnecessarily shady asshole).
He isn't saying much, cause IMO deep down he feels bad about it. Anytime I ignored someone like that or avoided an issue, I was just too cowardly to fess up to my actions.
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It's probably good for everyone to move on from this. But it's interesting that Marc hated the business side of Enjoi, getting upset with his friends about productivity and all. It doesn't seem like he could really refute what was out there but was kinda using his mother's passing as cover for his decision. That very well may be what happened. He's said before that his family life was pretty dysfunctional. This event may have unearthed some long ignored issues that triggered a fuck you approach to his present day stress.
The same may be true for Carroll. His company of over 20 years is being dismantled, in part, by these shoe companies. The owners of Crail have made money off of their riders, the riders have made money as members of that team. There is probably volumes of instances where their riders have piled out and kept their status on the team. Guy, Gino, Keenan, Marc etc. So, when Mike is not getting answers to a rumor that he thinks is gong to damage his brand, from a friend and legendary skater, he snaps. That Jenkem article was a statement to Nike and Adidas as much as it was about Marc.
And the part were Roger says that people are sick of shitty shoes, thus being the reason why kids are buying Nike, Adidas, and Converse, is utter bullshit. The kids buy what pros ride. That's why the pros get money from any company. Really lost a lot of respect for that dude. But I guess if you want to work in the industry, those are your new overlords. And they will exact a tribute. Enter Brink's MJ interview...
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If they didn't, Lakai should have still paid Marc while he was waiting for the Adidas announcement/unloading MJ Lakai shoes.
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Im pretty sure there are a lot of people who are unhappy with the quality of Lakai shoes...just the other day people were talking about how poor the quality of 4star shit is...never skated a pair so im not sure myself
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Remember that part when Marc says Lakai breached contract, dicked with his money, then gave him the run around when he started asking questions....
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Remember that part when Marc says Lakai breached contract, dicked with his money, then gave him the run around when he started asking questions....
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Remember that part when Marc says Lakai breached contract, dicked with his money, then gave him the run around when he started asking questions....
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If the contract includes that, yeah.
sounds like either it was in his contract that Crailtap can cut pay or they did it with the intent of removing him from the roster
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August 2016: 3 calls and a day at the cafe, 5 & 1/2 hours of tape and a 110 page/43,000 word interview transcription. After you enjoy his @thenineclubshow episode this evening, you've got even more @marcjohnson to look forward to in the near future ... 😉 #workingonit #onehellofanedit #gimmeaminuteortwo #likeafinewine #sorrycandlesgotintheway #SOTY #onceaSOTYalwaysaSOTY #2017yearoftheMJ #marcjohnson #mj
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Well, that's how you learn who your real friends are.
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The ball is in Girls court. Intro Brophy already and quit trying to lean on the new guys personalities. They don't have personalities.
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I feel like Adidas is the probable real villain here. I don't think its been brought up but what if part of his contract with Adidas was that he couldn't tell anyone about the announcement? Maybe they wanted it to be a surprise and knew that even if MJ only told MC 24 hours in advanced it would give MC plenty of time to put it on blast via Insta or whatever. I may have said this before(long thread)but if that's the case it pretty much boils down to picking the best of 2 shitty choices: a)Tell MC and piss off my new employer...or b)lie to MC and piss off the guy who cut my pay and told me to find another sponser.
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What I'm getting out of all this is that: Marc is saying he got pay cuts to the point of getting a new sponsor and they want to pay him so he's going to do good by them. And i owe you nothing at this point because im not getting paid. Mike is saying "can you not get paid well for 5 more months so my company can finish making money off your name?" And then getting his version of events out asap.
In any event, it's two adults looking out for themselves and it's in the public eye. Tmz style. I wish Marc would have addressed not talking about being announced but whatever. I still like both of their skating. And none of this effects my choices on gear.
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What I'm getting out of all this is that: Marc is saying he got pay cuts to the point of getting a new sponsor and they want to pay him so he's going to do good by them. And i owe you nothing at this point because im not getting paid. Mike is saying "can you not get paid well for 5 more months so my company can finish making money off your name?" And then getting his version of events out asap.
In any event, it's two adults looking out for themselves and it's in the public eye. Tmz style. I wish Marc would have addressed not talking about being announced but whatever. I still like both of their skating. And none of this effects my choices on gear.
marc got pay cuts to the point of lakai feeling bad and them agreeing to release him so he could find more gainful employment. they didnt have to do that. they were trying to the best for him they could. the deal was let lakai finish what they've already committed to and they'll continue paying marc like they had been for the remainder of his time there. they even said the terms of that could be negotiated and marc just blew them off and lied. he was upset about his pay and other life issues and decided that justified burning a bridge. from all the information available, lakai was trying to do the best it could for both of them, including letting marc out of his contact so he could get more money which they didn't have to do. no one is even saying he shouldn't have filmed tricks for the video, it's just that he lied, broke contract, and put lakai in a tough spot when they were trying for him.
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exactly -- people keep muddling all this, when carroll said plainly in the Jenkem article that the beef was over MJ apparently lying about being in the Adidas vid/timing of being announced on the team ... not MJ going to Adidas, which Carroll says he encouraged MJ to do
big up to Crob and 9 club for being the first to actually get MJ to speak on all of this after so long, but either they didn't want to push MJ on it that much or they weren't clear what the real beef was, maybe both
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ever date that super hot chick that's incredible in bed but dramatic as fuck? that's marc.
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And i owe you nothing at this point because im not getting paid. Mike is saying "can you not get paid well for 5 more months so my company can finish making money off your name?"
But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while. But I knew it was asking for a lot. But that's what he's getting paid for?
MC said that MJ was getting paid. MJ says that's not true. He said, she said.
Also, Carroll was trying not so much to make money but to not lose his ass on a bunch of MJ shoes, that after his Adidas announcement, will be worthless.
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So where is the Brink interview?
Also:
Aaron Meza
Biebel
Gino
JB Gillet
Jeff Mikut
Kelly Bird
Koston
Mariano
MJ
Nick Jensen
Scott Johnston
all left one or several Crailtap brands, in the last two years (you can add BA and Alex Olson, if you count 4/5 years). That's quite a heavy team.
I don't know how bad are the issues at Crailtap, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lakai dies soon.
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It doesn't seem like he could really refute what was out there but was kinda using his mother's passing as cover for his decision.
If there is anything that bothers me most about the internet, it's people asserting assumptions about things they know nothing about.
There is no reason to assume that something as devastating as losing a loved one wouldn't effect someone as much as it did.
Having an opinion on someones style, trick choice, sponsor hopping etc is fine.
Theorizing about using the loss of a loved one to hide behind their actions is pretty low.
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
Well I don't think MC would have had an interview saying he was gonna sodomize MJ no vaseline had it happened this way.
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It doesn't seem like he could really refute what was out there but was kinda using his mother's passing as cover for his decision.
There is no reason to assume that something as devastating as losing a loved one wouldn't effect someone as much as it did.
Having an opinion on someones style, trick choice, sponsor hopping etc is fine.
Theorizing about using the loss of a loved one to hide behind their actions is pretty low.
Maybe 'passing as cover' was a bit strong but Marc did say that it affected his thinking at the time. I didn't say that was for certain either.
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
This. People wonder about his sponsor situation? Just like I said above, if you're a shady asshole, people will avoid you.
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Remember when Carroll called MJ an alcoholic, liar and a bunch of other shit?
Why would Lakai be stupid enough to get stuck holding a ton of inventory of a drunk liars pro shoe right at the same time they quit paying him?
Bad business move after bad business move. Marc was basically the last to leave right after a bunch of long time riders had quit.
Sounds to me like Carroll took all of his frustrations out unfairly on Marc, and Marc is terrible at sticking up for himself. The story about the friend he moved to CA and to SJ with at the beginning of the 9 club is pretty telling.
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
This. People wonder about his sponsor situation? Just like I said above, if you're a shady asshole, people will avoid you.
Damn, looks like he's not getting on Zimmerman Skateboards anytime soon.
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And i owe you nothing at this point because im not getting paid. Mike is saying "can you not get paid well for 5 more months so my company can finish making money off your name?"
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But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while. But I knew it was asking for a lot. But that's what he's getting paid for?
MC said that MJ was getting paid. MJ says that's not true. He said, she said.
Also, Carroll was trying not so much to make money but to not lose his ass on a bunch of MJ shoes, that after his Adidas announcement, will be worthless.
Yet it's ok for Marc to lose his ass? And that shoe is still in their line, renamed.
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ever date that super hot chick that's incredible in bed but dramatic as fuck? that's marc.
Good call. I think the first interview I read with him was that Thrasher from say 2000 or 2001 with 30 ish interviews and I was thinking "this guy thinks he's real deep/smart/special ... but he can skate hella good". His epicly later'd didn't change my mind either. For a guy that talks a lot, he sure doesn't say much. As I get older too, watching guys around my age that seem to believe their own hype/importance ... kinda of sucks to see
Again though, I'll watch him skate always. His personality I don't really care about. A lot of pros seem like kooks the more you learn about them. Certain ones like Gonz's or Julien etc. Seem cool as ice though
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
This. People wonder about his sponsor situation? Just like I said above, if you're a shady asshole, people will avoid you.
Damn, looks like he's not getting on Zimmerman Skateboards anytime soon.
I would still pay and send the guy boards. Shady assholes can be trustworthy, once they're done screwing over the people closest to them.
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And i owe you nothing at this point because im not getting paid. Mike is saying "can you not get paid well for 5 more months so my company can finish making money off your name?"
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But I told him I was open to talk about the agreement and change anything. We asked him to keep it on the low for a while. But I knew it was asking for a lot. But that's what he's getting paid for?
MC said that MJ was getting paid. MJ says that's not true. He said, she said.
Also, Carroll was trying not so much to make money but to not lose his ass on a bunch of MJ shoes, that after his Adidas announcement, will be worthless.
I said pretty clearly before that Lakai should have paid him during the waiting period.
And if they had to alter that shoe to keep it in their line, that costs money.
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And the part were Roger says that people are sick of shitty shoes, thus being the reason why kids are buying Nike, Adidas, and Converse, is utter bullshit. The kids buy what pros ride. That's why the pros get money from any company.
maybe initially but after going through product people want something worth the money. even kids, theres a legitimate quality argument when it comes to crailtap products not meeting the mark. i dont enjoy feeling suckered into buying shitty stuff. if lakai goes out of business it wont be because mj left them hanging with product by going to adidas.
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
It matters because MC said something to the effect of, "if he'd just been honest and told me like a man I would have been pissed but I would have understood"(very loose paraphrasing) and I just don't think that's true. I think if MJ had took his call earlier in the week and been upfront about it then everyone and their brother would have known before the premier. It also matters because no one seems to factor in that Adidas could very well said, "if you let this out of the bag then the deals off" or there could have been something in his new contract giving them rights to the announcement of their new team rider. He's not going to put his new employer on blast and say, "they made me do this shitty!" It doesn't really matter at this point I'm just not the type to judge someone once and for all when I have no real idea of all the details. Just playing devils advocate that's all
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And the part were Roger says that people are sick of shitty shoes, thus being the reason why kids are buying Nike, Adidas, and Converse, is utter bullshit. The kids buy what pros ride. That's why the pros get money from any company.
maybe initially but after going through product people want something worth the money. even kids, theres a legitimate quality argument when it comes to crailtap products not meeting the mark. i dont enjoy feeling suckered into buying shitty stuff. if lakai goes out of business it wont be because mj left them hanging with product by going to adidas.
If Lakai was making 85 dollar high quality vulc shoes, nobody would buy them.
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And the part were Roger says that people are sick of shitty shoes, thus being the reason why kids are buying Nike, Adidas, and Converse, is utter bullshit. The kids buy what pros ride. That's why the pros get money from any company.
maybe initially but after going through product people want something worth the money. even kids, theres a legitimate quality argument when it comes to crailtap products not meeting the mark. i dont enjoy feeling suckered into buying shitty stuff. if lakai goes out of business it wont be because mj left them hanging with product by going to adidas.
Seriously all of crailtaps products are shit. Anytime my friends bought a girl board they instantly regret it because they break in a week. I even got a girl board board like 2 years ago and it broke on a flatground trick in less than a week. I still wanted to try and support them so i decided to give some Lakais a chance. Every pair i bought would be torn up to the point you cant skate in them in about 2 weeks. Hell they have just as good quality as Vox but their shoes were like 40 dollars. I really don't feel bad at anyone at Crailtap if it goes under, they are overpricing pieces of shit and calling it skateboards and shoes
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And the part were Roger says that people are sick of shitty shoes, thus being the reason why kids are buying Nike, Adidas, and Converse, is utter bullshit. The kids buy what pros ride. That's why the pros get money from any company.
maybe initially but after going through product people want something worth the money. even kids, theres a legitimate quality argument when it comes to crailtap products not meeting the mark. i dont enjoy feeling suckered into buying shitty stuff. if lakai goes out of business it wont be because mj left them hanging with product by going to adidas.
Maybe Lakai has had issues. Haven't had a pair in awhile. But I've worn them all the brands and I've never noticed a consistent quality issue with Sole Tech or Vans. Every manufacturer spits out lemons from time to time.
http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2014/10/nike_pulls_lebron_12_from_mark.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/index.ssf/2014/10/nike_pulls_lebron_12_from_mark.html)
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
well "he would have been a dick if i had not been a dick" is not an excuse for being a dick.
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how come they didn't bring up his interviews with jenkem or him on the shetler show where he bashes big corporate companies
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how come they didn't bring up his interviews with jenkem or him on the shetler show where he bashes big corporate companies
do you go to your friends and bring up shit from the past that they did or said to make them feel stupid? do you do it on a platform that reaches thousands of viewers?
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Anyone who disses MJ hasn't been in the shape he's been in.
Talking about getting delirious tremors from alcohol withdrawal? Who gives a fuck about lakai or adidas? I'm right in that shit right now, and I'm a bigger MJ fan than ever, that motherfucker is a tough dude.
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It wasn't easy, but i'm just glad we finally sorted all of this out.
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
why does that hypothetical scenario even matter? it would have turned out way better for marc had he done that instead of trying to justify him being a blatant liar and bridge burner. you don't think it's weird he still doesn't have a new board sponsor when he's made it clear he needs $$$? maybe it has something to do with him being a shitty person?
well "he would have been a dick if i had not been a dick" is not an excuse for being a dick.
well if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle... ;)
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount), so did a few other riders. No one got the shade thrown at them how MJ did, but at the same time MJ put more into Lakai than anyone else on that team HANDS DOWN. He obviously didn't want to leave Lakai, but was forced to because they weren't paying him. Would you show up to a job that payed you here and there and not for the amount you had agreed on?
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I think majority of everyone in this thread are backing MJ on Adidas. Sure people would have gave him a little shit about cause he said he would never ride for a big corporate shoe sponsor but that would have easily died down. Carroll told the dude to go to Adidas. Everyone on here is thinking MJ is a shitty person because the way he dealt with the whole thing, not that he just went to Adidas. Do you really think Carroll would kick of one of his best selling pros on chocolate just because he left lakai but didn't kick of Biebel when he left lakai? He didn't even kick of Koston when he left or Guy. MJ handled the whole situation like a cunt and thats the only reason people are pissed about if they are pissed in this thread
Also lets be real here, im sure the checks weren't like fucking minimum wage. Everyone gets greedy and thats fine just don't act like you're the innocent person in all this
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount)
look how koston went about it though. he got a lakai send off video and everything. the problem is not that mj left (he was even encouraged to by mc), it's how he left and i bet that's been said probably 100x in this thread.
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Bottom line for me personally is if my employer sends me a short check with no forewarning and then I call to ask about it and get the run around(ie.-"I'll check on it and call you back")and never hear back from anyone then the gloves are off and I don't owe that person shit. To send an employee a paycheck that's not the correct amount like, "maybe he won't notice" is about as shitty as it gets. That's MJ's version of how it all started. Could be lying I suppose. Like I said I love both these guys as skaters but neither strike me as particularly "quality" human beings.
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Marc is off Chocolate bye bye no room on Quasi for homophobic idiots.. for real dude you need to choose your words wisely
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount)
look how koston went about it though. he got a lakai send off video and everything. the problem is not that mj left (he was even encouraged to by mc), it's how he left and i bet that's been said probably 100x in this thread.
Podium was at fault here, not Lakai. From what was implied, Podium was not paying pro shoe royalties honestly.
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount)
look how koston went about it though. he got a lakai send off video and everything. the problem is not that mj left (he was even encouraged to by mc), it's how he left and i bet that's been said probably 100x in this thread.
If someone isn't paying you, than they don't get to dictate what you do.
You don't owe them an orchestrated exit.
Also, Koston left early. MJ was basically the last to leave, and had all his chips at Crail, and doesn't own any companies. Koston is an empire.
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount)
look how koston went about it though. he got a lakai send off video and everything. the problem is not that mj left (he was even encouraged to by mc), it's how he left and i bet that's been said probably 100x in this thread.
You don't owe them an orchestrated exit.
Also, Koston left early. MJ was basically the last to leave, and had all his chips at Crail, and doesn't own any companies. Koston is an empire.
This, but there is still this mysterious contract stipulation that say they can decrease the compensation at anytime...I know as a hourly employee this happened to me often without notification, never happened in salary situations, and have never seen that in my contract negotiations.
Why anyone would sign an agreement that says the main party can cut compensation at anytime without notice
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount)
look how koston went about it though. he got a lakai send off video and everything. the problem is not that mj left (he was even encouraged to by mc), it's how he left and i bet that's been said probably 100x in this thread.
You don't owe them an orchestrated exit.
Also, Koston left early. MJ was basically the last to leave, and had all his chips at Crail, and doesn't own any companies. Koston is an empire.
receiving a pay cut (or two even) does not equate to not being paid or breach of contract.
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Fully backing MJ. Koston jumped ship in the middle of his contract after getting fucked over by Lakai (them not being able to pay him his contract amount)
look how koston went about it though. he got a lakai send off video and everything. the problem is not that mj left (he was even encouraged to by mc), it's how he left and i bet that's been said probably 100x in this thread.
You don't owe them an orchestrated exit.
Also, Koston left early. MJ was basically the last to leave, and had all his chips at Crail, and doesn't own any companies. Koston is an empire.
receiving a pay cut (or two even) does not equate to not being paid or breach of contract.
You have seen the contract and pay stubs?
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Holy shit 63 pages of arguing over who was right based mostly on speculation, and arguments about what would have happened if one person had acted differently. This is more pointless than arguing about religion.
Can we just all agree the dude is painfully unfunny. "Hey I'm on a show, look how crazy I'm wearing my hat! Oh wait let me make a funny voice and face in case you guys don't get how funny I am yet!"
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Holy shit 63 pages of arguing over who was right based mostly on speculation, and arguments about what would have happened if one person had acted differently. This is more pointless than arguing about religion.
Can we just all agree the dude is painfully unfunny. "Hey I'm on a show, look how crazy I'm wearing my hat! Oh wait let me make a funny voice and face in case you guys don't get how funny I am yet!"
If you add the 5 pages of MJ on the 9 club in Photos/Videos, we are technically at 68 pages
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wonder if Marc asked any companies if he could get on and they said, "naaa"..
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Holy crap finally just finished it. I do not like that guy. I was listening to it as I worked and only watching it occasionally. Okay, stupid hat.... oh wait he's wearing a different hat now, ok...... oh he has a wig on and no shirt now? What the hell is going on?
But more to the point his version of the story didn't seem believable to me. Of course in any disagreement each side is gonna spice their's up, but the way he made it seem like "Okay we can't pay you, you should get a new fucking sponsor" like they kicked him off rather than let him pursue a better deal. Then he says "I gave 15 years of my life putting the interests of both those companies ahead of my health, my life, even my son." You could also look at that as giving 15 years of your life into your career, not a grand sacrifice to companies that you've chosen to ride for and represent.
Also strange how he doesn't once say Carrol, Lakai, or Chocolate's name in the whole rant. Seems like a guilty thing to do.
Edit: Also love Roger but was pretty bummed on him blatantly claiming "Skate shoe companies makes shitty shoes. Adidas, Nike, and Converse make great shoes." I wonder how Carroll feels about this episode.
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Roger is the truth his encyclopedic knowledge of the industry impresses not only me but Jake Johnson, gilbert and Nate Jones
We're both going to rehab in april
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
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Holy crap finally just finished it. I do not like that guy. I was listening to it as I worked and only watching it occasionally. Okay, stupid hat.... oh wait he's wearing a different hat now, ok...... oh he has a wig on and no shirt now? What the hell is going on?
But more to the point his version of the story didn't seem believable to me. Of course in any disagreement each side is gonna spice their's up, but the way he made it seem like "Okay we can't pay you, you should get a new fucking sponsor" like they kicked him off rather than let him pursue a better deal. Then he says "I gave 15 years of my life putting the interests of both those companies ahead of my health, my life, even my son." You could also look at that as giving 15 years of your life into your career, not a grand sacrifice to companies that you've chosen to ride for and represent.
Also strange how he doesn't once say Carrol, Lakai, or Chocolate's name in the whole rant. Seems like a guilty thing to do.
You just don't know the whole story yet.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
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I'm still a huge fan of both MJ and Mike Carroll regardless of all this drama.
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Roger is the truth his encyclopedic knowledge of the industry impresses not only me but Jake Johnson, gilbert and Nate Jones
We're both going to rehab in april
where did this come from?
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Can we just all agree the dude is painfully unfunny. "Hey I'm on a show, look how crazy I'm wearing my hat! Oh wait let me make a funny voice and face in case you guys don't get how funny I am yet!"
Kelly seemed to find him hilarious.
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I'm still a huge fan of both MJ and Mike Carroll regardless of all this drama.
Me too, buddy.
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Can we just all agree the dude is painfully unfunny. "Hey I'm on a show, look how crazy I'm wearing my hat! Oh wait let me make a funny voice and face in case you guys don't get how funny I am yet!"
Kelly seemed to find him hilarious.
Yeah, I don't know if I'm getting older but I don't find Marc funny at all, it's pretty cringe-worthy and try hard, especially the end with the shirtless wig thing. I guess it's a product of being in your own skate bubble for 25 years. What 40 year olds act like that? I also found Gerwers 9 club excruciating. If you watch it, Gerwer tries to relieve his nervousness by acting like a clown, its painful....
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the nervousness is the act and the clown is the real gerwer.
Primal Fear (9/9) Movie CLIP - Good For You, Marty (1996) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbaW0HZ_Qy8#)
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Can we just all agree the dude is painfully unfunny. "Hey I'm on a show, look how crazy I'm wearing my hat! Oh wait let me make a funny voice and face in case you guys don't get how funny I am yet!"
Kelly seemed to find him hilarious.
Yeah, I don't know if I'm getting older but I don't find Marc funny at all, it's pretty cringe-worthy and try hard, especially the end with the shirtless wig thing. I guess it's a product of being in your own skate bubble for 25 years. What 40 year olds act like that? I also found Gerwers 9 club excruciating. If you watch it, Gerwer tries to relieve his nervousness by acting like a clown, its painful....
You're a hypercritical dweeb my dude keep posting nonsense like this and I will ban you from this forum
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But more to the point his version of the story didn't seem believable to me.
he admits to getting checks but says he's not being paid in the same story. doesn't add up at all
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Thought it was weird too, especially since they had Don Brown on the show a few months back and the fact that Kelly is TM for eS...
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So who thinks, if MJ had told him, "yeah man they're announcing it at the premier tomorrow. Sorry I had to do it but they're my new employers", MC would have said, "oh ok well that sucks but thanks for being honest"..... I like both these guys but I honestly can't see it playing out that way. In no scenario I can come up with in my mind would Carroll not be pissed and fire Marc from Chocolate
Well I don't think MC would have had an interview saying he was gonna sodomize MJ no vaseline had it happened this way.
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
Just cuz. #neverforget
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I had a pair of the McCrank Vegan shoe and they held up great, any quality feedback on their current shoes?
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So did Marc really get the no from Quasi? I admire his skating, but would've loved to see his reaction after getting rejected.
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I got bored after an hour so I never even made it to the end. Then I rewatched the Louie Barletta one. He's way funnier, way more interesting, and way more down. Big ups to MJ for starting enjoi, but it's really better without him on. MJ's whole career has a lot of fucking people over in it, just the kind of guy he is.
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I can just feel the mania pouring out of Marc. He is entertaining to a certain point but just seems like an exhausting human to be around.
He seems to get a bit too preachy sometimes. I can definitely see a manic depressive personality in Marc.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
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Just figured I'd throw this here.
Brophy is finishing up his welcome to Girl vid
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Marc has done more podcasts that skating since he got on
DAEWON has been doing a whole shit ton of skating and he didn't even shout out his own birthday.
That's it. Buy scumco boards and on sale shoes
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I can just feel the mania pouring out of Marc. He is entertaining to a certain point but just seems like an exhausting human to be around.
He seems to get a bit too preachy sometimes. I can definitely see a manic depressive personality in Marc.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
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Edit: Also love Roger but was pretty bummed on him blatantly claiming "Skate shoe companies makes shitty shoes. Adidas, Nike, and Converse make great shoes." I wonder how Carroll feels about this episode.
Thought it was weird too, especially since they had Don Brown on the show a few months back and the fact that Kelly is TM for eS...
This was a cringe moment for sure. Guessing he had that comment prepared in a means to make marc feel comfortable. Either way, it's complete bullshit.
I've had Vans, Emerica, Adidas, etc in the past 5 years without any noticeable quality difference in any.
Honestly what seems to make skate shoes last the longest is if you get some durable material, like leather or mid top shoes(half cabs, hsus, etc).
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I can just feel the mania pouring out of Marc. He is entertaining to a certain point but just seems like an exhausting human to be around.
He seems to get a bit too preachy sometimes. I can definitely see a manic depressive personality in Marc.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
I wish you both the best ... went through all the way to my foot in a few hours with just ollies ???
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I can just feel the mania pouring out of Marc. He is entertaining to a certain point but just seems like an exhausting human to be around.
He seems to get a bit too preachy sometimes. I can definitely see a manic depressive personality in Marc.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
I wish you both the best ... went through all the way to my foot in a few hours with just ollies ???
No bueno!! I'm about to shoegoo the main stitching seam hopefully that will help. The first Gilberts were straight up bombproof, I used to hike and skate in them everyday and they lasted just under a year. That wafflecup shit is the truth, I can't see why Vans doesn't use it in all of their skate shoes. (Possibly a marketing scheme to sell more shoes if they fall apart faster.) The thing I've found with any skate shoe is that either the toe or the sole wears out first, some have durable toes and weak soles, or vise vera. Some wear out fast, others it takes time. It's a shame that there aren't many shoes out there that hold up well. When it takes a long time to completely destroy the shoe and eventually the sole and the toe wear out around the same time, to me; that constitutes a damn good shoe.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
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they make shitty shoes
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
I wish you both the best ... went through all the way to my foot in a few hours with just ollies ???
No bueno!! I'm about to shoegoo the main stitching seam hopefully that will help. The first Gilberts were straight up bombproof, I used to hike and skate in them everyday and they lasted just under a year. That wafflecup shit is the truth, I can't see why Vans doesn't use it in all of their skate shoes. (Possibly a marketing scheme to sell more shoes if they fall apart faster.) The thing I've found with any skate shoe is that either the toe or the sole wears out first, some have durable toes and weak soles, or vise vera. Some wear out fast, others it takes time. It's a shame that there aren't many shoes out there that hold up well. When it takes a long time to completely destroy the shoe and eventually the sole and the toe wear out around the same time, to me; that constitutes a damn good shoe.
How is this even possible, i skate only few days a week and my shoes are completely dead after 2 months,always, and i skate only cupsoles...
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
I wish you both the best ... went through all the way to my foot in a few hours with just ollies ???
No bueno!! I'm about to shoegoo the main stitching seam hopefully that will help. The first Gilberts were straight up bombproof, I used to hike and skate in them everyday and they lasted just under a year. That wafflecup shit is the truth, I can't see why Vans doesn't use it in all of their skate shoes. (Possibly a marketing scheme to sell more shoes if they fall apart faster.) The thing I've found with any skate shoe is that either the toe or the sole wears out first, some have durable toes and weak soles, or vise vera. Some wear out fast, others it takes time. It's a shame that there aren't many shoes out there that hold up well. When it takes a long time to completely destroy the shoe and eventually the sole and the toe wear out around the same time, to me; that constitutes a damn good shoe.
Cruising around town still counts as skating everyday, the things fucking lasted tho
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems foolish to be taking anyone's side in the matter. We're missing a concise timeline of events, and most importantly we're completely unaware of the details of the contract that MJ signed. If you don't know all of that, then you're arbitrarily arguing over grown men with communication problems that should have handled their business behind closed doors and away from the public.
I will say that it was a mistake for MC to reveal what he did in that Jenkem interview, and it seems as if no one taught him that the loudest person in the room ends up being the weakest person in the room.
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anyone saying skate companies don't make quality shoes, what the fuck were you rockin before 2004? the emerica MJ-1s were great, and I bought literally 11 pairs in a row of the Lakai MJ-2s. also I don't watch the 9 club, who is this Roger fella?
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roger is a fucking filmer he is also an alcoholic very nice guy we were getting fucked up at Black the other night, Heath kept giving us free shots of Old Crow, i made a mistake that night
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That comment that Roger made seriously bums me out, not so much that he said it, but that so many people will believe it as gospel without finding out for themselves. Say what you want about their quality in the past. I've honestly been skating only Lakais for over a year, aside from one pair of Emericas, and I haven't had any complaints. Oh well. Try them out.
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Roger is usually the only dude drinking. I do enjoy the show, but sometimes they spend 15 minutes talking about a 35 year old's first shop sponsor.
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That comment that Roger made seriously bums me out, not so much that he said it, but that so many people will believe it as gospel without finding out for themselves. Say what you want about their quality in the past. I've honestly been skating only Lakais for over a year, aside from one pair of Emericas, and I haven't had any complaints. Oh well. Try them out.
Someone in the YouTube comments section was arguing with Roger over the fact that the ?s SLB mids and the Chuck Taylor Highs retail for The same price, and that the SLB will outlast and outperform the Chucks. He didn't have much to say after that the last I checked...
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That comment that Roger made seriously bums me out, not so much that he said it, but that so many people will believe it as gospel without finding out for themselves. Say what you want about their quality in the past. I've honestly been skating only Lakais for over a year, aside from one pair of Emericas, and I haven't had any complaints. Oh well. Try them out.
Someone in the YouTube comments section was arguing with Roger over the fact that the ?s SLB mids and the Chuck Taylor Highs retail for The same price, and that the SLB will outlast and outperform the Chucks. He didn't have much to say after that the last I checked...
The SLB probably is better for skateboarding than the Chucks, not because Don Brown skates/ed or whatever but because Chuck Taylors are trash for skateboarding. Kook me if you want, but that shit is all marketing/trendiness.
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Roger....on the quality of skate shoes.....please explain vans.......
He said skate shoe companies make shitty shoes.
Vans is the fuckin top of the list
Ive had some good durable vans but then again Ive had ones that just fall apart right off the bat, anything with wafflecup construction and/or the duracap will hold together pretty nicely, the rest are trash.
I just got a pair of the Chima Pros so we'll see how these go.
Im heavily considering these as my next shoe
I wish you both the best ... went through all the way to my foot in a few hours with just ollies ???
The Chima's were the worst, most painful shoes i have ever worn. They have never really broken in and i only wear them for work.
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I'm close to 40 years old and girl was right there with me for most of my skate years.
Love the shapes and hope they stick around for a long time.
As for Lakais - Riley model is absolute sick. Best shoe I ever skated and lasts a long time.
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MJ was at Black tonight drinking coke skate Talk Bob kept buying him whiskey shots.. he gave them away.. also Heath told me that Boosh and Jerry had a lil blow but I decided to nurse a St Archer... Fun night overall, Roger was shitfaced he took an Uber home puked in the backseat this happens often he offered to clean it up the driver just told him to sober up and move on
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The last pair of Lakai's I had were the Guy Mariano Models, And they felt like I was wearing 2 Left SHoes...Atleast sk8ing Vans, Nikes Etc, Are consistent with the comfort/feel ETc. Finding them at clearance prices makes sense to me.
I think Roger B. was mostly aiming his commennt towards Lakai, And not towards all SK8er owned Shoe companies (Specially with MJ & Kelly being next to him)....A heat of the Moment type comment.
Royal is Crap (Backwards set up Fury's Turn better), 4Star is/was Crap (BEst Team and Dope Look, But Total Shit quality control!!) Lakai was dope at one point, & has turned into XJ900 STatus.
Its definitely a slippery slope, With C-rob, Still riding for Chocolate....I give him/them props (NIneClub), For even bringing up that Subject!!
in the Long Run....They all get Publicity & there wasn't any Low Blows
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MJ was at Black tonight drinking coke skate Talk Bob kept buying him whiskey shots.. he gave them away.. also Heath told me that Boosh and Jerry had a lil blow but I decided to nurse a St Archer... Fun night overall, Roger was shitfaced he took an Uber home puked in the backseat this happens often he offered to clean it up the driver just told him to sober up and move on
Dude you're seriously the least funny dude that has ever been on SLAP and you just try so hard to be funny
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I'm a Carroll & MJ fan for life . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfN4IQdy6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfN4IQdy6o) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJouJOKcGq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJouJOKcGq8) Two of the best to ever do it .
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MJ was at Black tonight drinking coke skate Talk Bob kept buying him whiskey shots.. he gave them away.. also Heath told me that Boosh and Jerry had a lil blow but I decided to nurse a St Archer... Fun night overall, Roger was shitfaced he took an Uber home puked in the backseat this happens often he offered to clean it up the driver just told him to sober up and move on
Dude you're seriously the least funny dude that has ever been on SLAP and you just try so hard to be funny
Honestly this response is the funniest thing I've read on SLAP lmao are you a person?
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MJ was at Black tonight drinking coke skate Talk Bob kept buying him whiskey shots.. he gave them away.. also Heath told me that Boosh and Jerry had a lil blow but I decided to nurse a St Archer... Fun night overall, Roger was shitfaced he took an Uber home puked in the backseat this happens often he offered to clean it up the driver just told him to sober up and move on
Dude you're seriously the least funny dude that has ever been on SLAP and you just try so hard to be funny
Honestly this response is the funniest thing I've read on SLAP lmao are you a person?
Whatever you say purple hair
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
Just cuz. #neverforget
We missed two pages!
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^^^ if someone edits their posts on the last two pages we can save this.
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Wayyyyy too progressive for Lakai.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwWr9a2JVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwWr9a2JVo#)
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Did he forget to take his medication?
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^ the fuck was that?!?!
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Wayyyyy too progressive for Lakai.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwWr9a2JVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwWr9a2JVo#)
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That was so progressive i forgot to laugh.
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Marc of reality, confirmed on reality tv
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If that adidas logo hadn't popped up at the end I would've... not actually done anything but you get where I'm going. Concerned. I'd be concerned.
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That was brutal, just stay in hiding Marc.
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does that mean video part tomorrow???????????
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Just because you have ideas doesn't mean they're any good.
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Wayyyyy too progressive for Lakai.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwWr9a2JVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwWr9a2JVo#)
Ahah came to post the exact same thing. How could Lakai possibly keep up with his ideas?
Dude is like a corny hack comedian.
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does that mean video part tomorrow???????????
yes u fuckin' idiot
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does that mean video part tomorrow???????????
yes u fuckin' idiot
Thats what i thought but if you go to the youtube page it says episodes start this Friday......
I really hope its just a part and not this cringey shit
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does that mean video part tomorrow???????????
yes u fuckin' idiot
Thats what i thought but if you go to the youtube page it says episodes start this Friday......
I really hope its just a part and not this cringey shit
what day is today? ???
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
Just cuz. #neverforget
We missed two pages!
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From a text I received a few hours ago: "Buffalo denied my Lakais saying they're looking for skater shoes"
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Anyone know how to rip this video from computer? http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
I've been trying the standard sites but can't get it. I would love to edit MJ talking about his big ideas intertwined with that new Adidas clip ahaha
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does that mean video part tomorrow???????????
Hahahahaha... no.
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Anyone know how to rip this video from computer? http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
I've been trying the standard sites but can't get it. I would love to edit MJ talking about his big ideas intertwined with that new Adidas clip ahaha
Right click this and Save link as: http://cf.c.ooyala.com/dpc2lsMzE6XVFLQnNTqQRKCf7IY1LQVv/DOcJ-FxaFrRg4gtDEwOjEzYzowazumG4?_=x16m0jnsu6nhsh478pvi (http://cf.c.ooyala.com/dpc2lsMzE6XVFLQnNTqQRKCf7IY1LQVv/DOcJ-FxaFrRg4gtDEwOjEzYzowazumG4?_=x16m0jnsu6nhsh478pvi)
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Anyone know how to rip this video from computer? http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/ (http://theskateboardmag.com/daewon-and-mj-the-raw-interview/)
I've been trying the standard sites but can't get it. I would love to edit MJ talking about his big ideas intertwined with that new Adidas clip ahaha
Fuck yes, just downloaded. A gnar for you, thank you.
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Skateboarders sure are a confused bunch of people
Adidas and Nike both are super corpo. Yet Adidas does not get half the hate that nike gets. Sure they market themselves abit different but they are pretty much the same thing. A big company with big money that have used sweatshops and many other "bad" methods to get shit done. Adidas even has old Nazi ties
dennis busenitz and silas baxter-neal are loved for many things including speaking out against energy drink sponsors. Yet most people have no problem for them skating for one of the biggest companies in the world
So many skaters here are working jobs they do not like, even hate. But they do it so they can pay the bills and feed themselves and their family, yet they have a problem with a skater taking sponsors. The fact that you like Lakai better then Adidas means MJ should not switch companies so he can pay his bills and feed his family. His sponsors have pretty much 0 effect on your lives and 100% effect on MJs life
Its ridiculous that people loved MJ though his whole carer and now that he has Adidas shoes on his feet people are hating and pretending they will not watch his next part.
So many of our favourite low key pros who have skated for smaller brands like Traffic have had to retire and get a real job sometimes 10 years before they would have to retire because they needed to pay bills and not starve to death. We maybe missed out on 5 parts from each of those amazing pros. Yet people hate on sponsors that are giving skaters a opportunity to do their job and skate
Every time a pro or AM goes out and skates they can get a horrible injury that ends their carer. Sometimes bullshit like Mike Mo happens and they get hurt fucking around. Most companies usually dump them pretty fast. No health insurance or any back up plan to help them out.
Or they get lucky and retire at age 30+ ? maybe 40 ?
And then what go out and find a job when you are 45 ? with no highschool or college degree and no work experience ? Better get that cash from as many sponsors that you can so your kids can go to college
I really like adidas shoes and I dont think MJ has made a part that I havent loved. Great style and trick selection. Dude could be sponsored by freakin fishing equipment and amazon and I would not care
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MJ is one of my favorite skaters and I'm super excited to watch this part.
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WOW. you are a ruler - that's amazing.
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hahah ;D
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Monty, monty, did you read the first 58 pages before you posted this?
No one cares that marc is on adidas, it's the way he quit lakai that people have a problem with.
to think it probably took you just as long to make that post as it took watson to make that incredible video.. tsk tsk
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I think it's funny how many people are so willing to back what Mike Carroll did to Marc Johnson, even though if they had the same thing happen to them, they would have probably left Lakai even sooner than Marc did. Think about it. You are working a job one day, and out of nowhere, you notice that your pay has been substantially reduced without warning. You call the company to ask about the reduction and they give you an answer: "Wow, that's weird, we don't know what happened, we will look into that," but they never call you back. Then it happens again, until finally, you get on the phone with your boss and he tells you that he has to cut your pay again. Then he proceeds to tell you to find new employment, but to wait an extra 5-7 months before you start your next job so that your old employer can make more money off you. If I was in Marc's shoes, I would have started looking for another shoe sponsor as soon as my pay was reduced with no explanation or warning. I don't blame any of these pros that decide to take on mainstream and large corporate sponsors. You have to pay the bills somehow and as another poster has said previously "There is no such thing as selling out, when you have mouths to feed." Could have Marc handled the situation better? Yes. But as Crailtap has continued to push inferior products and practice shady business moves; you ultimately reap what you sew.
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I think it's funny how many people are so willing to back what Mike Carroll did to Marc Johnson, even though if they had the same thing happen to them, they would have probably left Lakai even sooner than Marc did. Think about it. You are working a job one day, and out of nowhere, you notice that your pay has been substantially reduced without warning. You call the company to ask about the reduction and they give you an answer: "Wow, that's weird, we don't know what happened, we will look into that," but they never call you back. Then it happens again, until finally, you get on the phone with your boss and he tells you that he has to cut your pay again. Then he proceeds to tell you to find new employment, but to wait an extra 5-7 months before you start your next job so that your old employer can make more money off you. If I was in Marc's shoes, I would have started looking for another shoe sponsor as soon as my pay was reduced with no explanation or warning. I don't blame any of these pros that decide to take on mainstream and large corporate sponsors. You have to pay the bills somehow and as another poster has said previously "There is no such thing as selling out, when you have mouths to feed." Could have Marc handled the situation better? Yes. But as Crailtap has continued to push inferior products and practice shady business moves; you ultimately reap what you sew.
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I think it's funny how many people are so willing to back what Mike Carroll did to Marc Johnson, even though if they had the same thing happen to them, they would have probably left Lakai even sooner than Marc did. Think about it. You are working a job one day, and out of nowhere, you notice that your pay has been substantially reduced without warning. You call the company to ask about the reduction and they give you an answer: "Wow, that's weird, we don't know what happened, we will look into that," but they never call you back. Then it happens again, until finally, you get on the phone with your boss and he tells you that he has to cut your pay again. Then he proceeds to tell you to find new employment, but to wait an extra 5-7 months before you start your next job so that your old employer can make more money off you. If I was in Marc's shoes, I would have started looking for another shoe sponsor as soon as my pay was reduced with no explanation or warning. I don't blame any of these pros that decide to take on mainstream and large corporate sponsors. You have to pay the bills somehow and as another poster has said previously "There is no such thing as selling out, when you have mouths to feed." Could have Marc handled the situation better? Yes. But as Crailtap has continued to push inferior products and practice shady business moves; you ultimately reap what you sew.
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I think it's funny how many people are so willing to back what Mike Carroll did to Marc Johnson, even though if they had the same thing happen to them, they would have probably left Lakai even sooner than Marc did. Think about it. You are working a job one day, and out of nowhere, you notice that your pay has been substantially reduced without warning. You call the company to ask about the reduction and they give you an answer: "Wow, that's weird, we don't know what happened, we will look into that," but they never call you back. Then it happens again, until finally, you get on the phone with your boss and he tells you that he has to cut your pay again. Then he proceeds to tell you to find new employment, but to wait an extra 5-7 months before you start your next job so that your old employer can make more money off you. If I was in Marc's shoes, I would have started looking for another shoe sponsor as soon as my pay was reduced with no explanation or warning. I don't blame any of these pros that decide to take on mainstream and large corporate sponsors. You have to pay the bills somehow and as another poster has said previously "There is no such thing as selling out, when you have mouths to feed." Could have Marc handled the situation better? Yes. But as Crailtap has continued to push inferior products and practice shady business moves; you ultimately reap what you sew.
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you suck homegrown and clearly didn't watch watsons video
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Clearly MJs move to adidas has nothing to do with ideas, clearly. I just wished skaters would just be straight up about it and just say it was for the money. MJ has always has great parts but he's also always come across as an arrogant douche. I will always love a MJ part but will never go back and see an MJ interview.
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I think it's funny how many people are so willing to back what Mike Carroll did to Marc Johnson, even though if they had the same thing happen to them, they would have probably left Lakai even sooner than Marc did. Think about it. You are working a job one day, and out of nowhere, you notice that your pay has been substantially reduced without warning. You call the company to ask about the reduction and they give you an answer: "Wow, that's weird, we don't know what happened, we will look into that," but they never call you back. Then it happens again, until finally, you get on the phone with your boss and he tells you that he has to cut your pay again. Then he proceeds to tell you to find new employment, but to wait an extra 5-7 months before you start your next job so that your old employer can make more money off you. If I was in Marc's shoes, I would have started looking for another shoe sponsor as soon as my pay was reduced with no explanation or warning. I don't blame any of these pros that decide to take on mainstream and large corporate sponsors. You have to pay the bills somehow and as another poster has said previously "There is no such thing as selling out, when you have mouths to feed." Could have Marc handled the situation better? Yes. But as Crailtap has continued to push inferior products and practice shady business moves; you ultimately reap what you sew.
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you suck homegrown and clearly didn't watch watsons video
I saw it and I didn't really care for it lol
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Man I really wish that Adidas paid me to post. Seriously.
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JOOSED!
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There should be double-gnar buttons for this type of shit.
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There should be double-gnar buttons for this type of shit.
I will be coming back tomorrow for this very reason.
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There should be double-gnar buttons for this type of shit.
I will be coming back tomorrow for this very reason.
Bullshit. Don't deny that you're here everyday for no good reason anyways...
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There should be double-gnar buttons for this type of shit.
I will be coming back tomorrow for this very reason.
Bullshit. Don't deny that you're here everyday for no good reason anyways...
Merry christmas to you too big guy, I am feeling generous today.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BR_ay7VjkHc/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BR_ay7VjkHc/)
There should be double-gnar buttons for this type of shit.
I will be coming back tomorrow for this very reason.
Bullshit. Don't deny that you're here everyday for no good reason anyways...
Merry christmas to you too big guy, I am feeling generous today.
gnared and started following that shit was good
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Holy shit Watson ;D
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Done.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BR_ay7VjkHc/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BR_ay7VjkHc/)
I nearly choked on my food when I saw this.
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it's this time again.
new page i guess
Just cuz. #neverforget
We missed two pages!
gotta keep that floating on the latest page.
also well done watson. hahahaha amazing.
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I think it's funny how many people are so willing to back what Mike Carroll did to Marc Johnson, even though if they had the same thing happen to them, they would have probably left Lakai even sooner than Marc did. Think about it. You are working a job one day, and out of nowhere, you notice that your pay has been substantially reduced without warning. You call the company to ask about the reduction and they give you an answer: "Wow, that's weird, we don't know what happened, we will look into that," but they never call you back. Then it happens again, until finally, you get on the phone with your boss and he tells you that he has to cut your pay again. Then he proceeds to tell you to find new employment, but to wait an extra 5-7 months before you start your next job so that your old employer can make more money off you. If I was in Marc's shoes, I would have started looking for another shoe sponsor as soon as my pay was reduced with no explanation or warning. I don't blame any of these pros that decide to take on mainstream and large corporate sponsors. You have to pay the bills somehow and as another poster has said previously "There is no such thing as selling out, when you have mouths to feed." Could have Marc handled the situation better? Yes. But as Crailtap has continued to push inferior products and practice shady business moves; you ultimately reap what you sew.
totally feel like i read this before on page 42 or some shit
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Where is the video? Friday is almost a wrap.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ#)
3 minutes and basically one trick
EDIT: So um yeah with that video im fully on team Mike
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ#)
3 minutes and basically one trick
holy shit :-X
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ#)
3 minutes and basically one trick
holy shit? :-X
Proper lost the plot.
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that was fucking terrible and really hard to get through
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Wow. Somebody at Adidas got payed to do that....
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that was fucking terrible and really hard to get through
i felt sad for the brand after seeing that
Wow. Somebody at Adidas payed Marc to do that....
yea
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The most quotable video since Virtual Reality.
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this may seem like a rude question but why is adidas even bothering to promote marc johnson? i know he's paid his dues and all but it's 2017 and mark suciu is speaking french and eating pussy*
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suciu is too busy reading kierkegaard or some bullshit
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On the board MJ may be my favorite of all time but holy shit that was fucking terrible.
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Damn that was the saddest fucking thing I've ever seen
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Maybe this was his idea all along. Make something so bad that adidas looks dumb and kids will buy different shoes.
Could Marc really be an evil genius?
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Maybe this was his idea all along. Make something so bad that adidas looks dumb and kids will buy different shoes.
Could Marc really be an evil genius?
haha, he changed the system from the inside!
hats off you baldheaded seditionist! you tyler durden of low impact rippery. and he did it w/out sacrificing his freedom like that martyr mark rogowski.
i'm reminded of that palanhiuk book diary. fair play, marc and fair dinkum!
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that was the saddest fucking thing I've ever seen
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If MJ isn't careful this could end up being one of the most spectacular kookouts in skate history.
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Very regressive vid there
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The funny thing is, this totally seems like a commercial Lakai would have made. So maybe they couldn't keep up with his ideas after all.
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Goddamn that sucked
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The funny thing is, this totally seems like a commercial Lakai would have made. So maybe they couldn't keep up with his ideas after all.
I really hope that he pitched this to Lakai and got denied because they thought that it was too dumb, and a waste of money.
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Honestly, I was expecting worse. At least he was playing to his goofy side and not his insufferable pseudo intellectual crap.
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it's this time again.
also well done watson. hahahaha amazing.
this thread's far from dead.
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The funny thing is, this totally seems like a commercial Lakai would have made. So maybe they couldn't keep up with his ideas after all.
I really hope that he pitched this to Lakai and got denied because they thought that it was too dumb, and a waste of money.
Probably didn't have that big corporate budget to mock up cereal boxes.
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I feel like at any age I feel like either giving or receiving the pitch "On Your Marc! Cause, you know, Marc Johnson!" would sound insufferably awful. At age 14, 21, 28, 40... whatever demographic you are... this is just SO pathetic. I might have given it a pass at age 7.
Shit made those Look Who's Talking movies look like top tier entertainment.
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hats off to mj for making the worst video of the year so watson could make the best video of the year.
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The funny thing is, this totally seems like a commercial Lakai would have made. So maybe they couldn't keep up with his ideas after all.
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Marc Johnson been publicly crying since hot chocolate tour. You get paid to skateboard ya fuckin pussy. I don't understand anybody crying about anything if they don't have to work a real job and can pay rent/ eat well to fuck around on their skateboards. Some of y'all really gotta step the pad and grow up. Free Max b fuck MJ
PS carrol used to smoke wild crills so that's wassup MJ grew up smokin dick
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Monty, monty, did you read the first 58 pages before you posted this?
No one cares that marc is on adidas, it's the way he quit lakai that people have a problem with.
to think it probably took you just as long to make that post as it took watson to make that incredible video.. tsk tsk
Nah I didnt read all of it, I followed the start though . But if you want you can tell me the %'s that were against him going to adidas , the ones that think hes a hypocrit and the ones that have a problem with how he quit
This reminds me of the thread that is somewhere on slap about shitty jobs and how hilarious/shitty/best ways people quit . I bet if somebody diggs that thread up and goes through it we can find the same people who quit jobs in shitty ways and still came here to blast MJ for it
MJ might not have left in the best way but he might have been rushed to it to pay bills or out of fear to get kicked off and not getting anything and so on
And Carroll is not without blame here either. Sure people have gotten kicked off crailtap in shitty ways and with not much explained to them . And just because somebody quit in a shit way does not mean you have to kick him off in a shit way (through a interview) . Take the high road dude . Be the better man
And it takes me about 2-5 mins to write something like that or this . I got that time to spare
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HAPPY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE CARROLL JENKEM INTERVIEW!
Still patiently awaiting that MJ rebuttal interview (not that half assed one he already gave on Nine Club but the one he was supposedly working on with Brink). Any day now.....
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This is the closest we'll get to a rebuttal methinks
adidas Skateboarding /// On Your Marc MJ x Matchcourt Mid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9TSkhSOBRQ#)
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I don't really give a fuck about a rebuttal anymore and I don't think most skaters do either. I"m more curious what is going on with his board situation
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I got another Crail board yesterday, Mike Mo. Going full Crailtap.
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MJ doesn't need a board sponsor and honestly I'd be surprised if he gets one. not because he isn't one of the most talented to step on board but because he's a PR liability and who else will pick him up? actually fuckin NUMBERS will probably throw him a bone now that I think about it. make the crail divorce final.
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suciu is too busy reading kierkegaard or not complaining about having responsibilities as a grown man, while watching neckbeard edits of Leonard Susskind so he can parrot some nonsense he doesn't understand about string theory to the Adidas team members who barely speak Englishor some bullshit
There we go.
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I got another Crail board yesterday, Mike Mo. Going full Crailtap.
I've been riding an Elijah Berle and its cool
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Hey Mike I really want to watch The Flare tonight. I even made pop-corn. Please ! 8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB6ycbgUwAAp5x6.jpg)
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Hey Mike I really want to watch The Flare tonight. I even made pop-corn. Please ! 8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB6ycbgUwAAp5x6.jpg)
There is no random thread Mikey... there can only be one.
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"Co-Starring"
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I think he's doing The Nine Club next. Let's hope he answers shit.
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Oh rly? That would be pretty tight.
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am I still asleep/drunk, I don't see McCranks name on there
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am I still asleep/drunk, I don't see McCranks name on there
I thought the same thing. When I saw "Rick" on the sock, I thought, "Fuck, no Howard, but at least we get some Crankers." Then I saw the poster with the, "Co-starring." I guess stoked, but not stoked?
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Holy shit!!!! Carroll on the nine club tomorrow!!
(http://i.imgur.com/6pZ7aVP.png)
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yeah, it's doubtful he'll get asked about it tho and even if he does I doubt they'll dig too hard...
prove me wrong though crob, prove me wrong
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yeah, it's doubtful he'll get asked about it tho and even if he does I doubt they'll dig too hard...
prove me wrong though crob, prove me wrong
I thought the same on the MJ episode and they delivered more than I was expecting. There's no way after that they don't bring it up, but we'll see.
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anyone else find the 9club interview boring? felt like they just talked about his time skating before girl way too much. no real interesting questions. love most of the 9club episodes but this one was pretty disappointing. especially since carroll doesn't do too many video interviews :(
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anyone else find the 9club interview boring? felt like they just talked about his time skating before girl way too much. no real interesting questions. love most of the 9club episodes but this one was pretty disappointing. especially since carroll doesn't do too many video interviews :(
Nope,because it's fucking Mike Carroll!
He's the best!!!
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anyone else find the 9club interview boring? felt like they just talked about his time skating before girl way too much. no real interesting questions. love most of the 9club episodes but this one was pretty disappointing. especially since carroll doesn't do too many video interviews :(
Nope,because it's fucking Mike Carroll!
He's the best!!!
mike carroll fuckin rules but them talking about emb stories for an hour sucks ass. most of those stories have been beaten dead. maybe i just know too much about the guy already but interviews where you learn nothing new about the subject are garbage.
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Well pals I have to say this was my favorite 9club episode. Mike Carroll talking about the good ol days was so cool. And I really like the chemistry between he and Chris Roberts; give me a warm feeling that wasnt ruined talking about the whole Marc Johnson fiasco. Its pretty clear to the world what happened and seems like hes over that. To be honest I was more surprised he talked about his family drama growing-up and the relationship in those days with his brother because its something super personal.
Hes gonna be a favorite of mine forever. King Carroll !
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Both sides gave their perspective on that situation, no need to keep dragging it...
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Both sides gave their perspective on that situation, no need to keep dragging it...
But this is slap.
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Both sides gave their perspective on that situation, no need to keep dragging it...
This. What more could we know?
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anyone else find the 9club interview boring? felt like they just talked about his time skating before girl way too much. no real interesting questions. love most of the 9club episodes but this one was pretty disappointing. especially since carroll doesn't do too many video interviews :(
Nope,because it's fucking Mike Carroll!
He's the best!!!
mike carroll fuckin rules but them talking about emb stories for an hour sucks ass. most of those stories have been beaten dead. maybe i just know too much about the guy already but interviews where you learn nothing new about the subject are garbage.
Sure a lot was already told in his EL,but not everything!
You knew that EMB was the crew and not the spot for example?come on!
Or all the trick nerdery they talked about,the way he's doing his hardflip in the Modus Line(always very interesting to me when pros talk about
Tricks/Trick names,nbd's,abd's what ever).
Carroll is such a legend i just want to listen to him and some of his old storys.
I think the old EMB/plan b/hokus/early girl days is the interesting part.
No need to hear him talk about FF (everything about it was told in the final flare),or even about
MJ.he's done with this dude and the story,so why talk about it?!
That was one of my favorite episodes!!!
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anyone else find the 9club interview boring? felt like they just talked about his time skating before girl way too much. no real interesting questions. love most of the 9club episodes but this one was pretty disappointing. especially since carroll doesn't do too many video interviews :(
Nope,because it's fucking Mike Carroll!
He's the best!!!
mike carroll fuckin rules but them talking about emb stories for an hour sucks ass. most of those stories have been beaten dead. maybe i just know too much about the guy already but interviews where you learn nothing new about the subject are garbage.
Sure a lot was already told in his EL,but not everything!
You knew that EMB was the crew and not the spot for example?come on!
Or all the trick nerdery they talked about,the way he's doing his hardflip in the Modus Line(always very interesting to me when pros talk about
Tricks/Trick names,nbd's,abd's what ever).
Carroll is such a legend i just want to listen to him and some of his old storys.
I think the old EMB/plan b/hokus/early girl days is the interesting part.
No need to hear him talk about FF (everything about it was told in the final flare),or even about
MJ.he's done with this dude and the story,so why talk about it?!
That was one of my favorite episodes!!!
shit i must have hyped it up too much when i saw it. dont really know what i was expecting. always found mike to be one of the best skaters ever on the board, off the board he seems like such a distinctive character. guess i was hoping to hear more of mikes views on life and his weird humor. could really care less about the whole mj debacle or FF vid. also i did know that emb was a crew. and he has talked about the modus line in other vids. im glad you enjoyed it just wish someone else did the interview so more of mikes character couldve shown through. chris roberts is a solid interviewer, but i feel like carroll is way more savage, while roberts is more quirky.
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as the owner of girl and someone who is known to party hard i would expect him to have some of the craziest and funniest stories ever. felt like the episode was really tame. everyone saying they love the episode is making me feel like i missed something. might have to listen again tomorrow at work
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anyone else find the 9club interview boring? felt like they just talked about his time skating before girl way too much. no real interesting questions. love most of the 9club episodes but this one was pretty disappointing. especially since carroll doesn't do too many video interviews :(
Nope,because it's fucking Mike Carroll!
He's the best!!!
mike carroll fuckin rules but them talking about emb stories for an hour sucks ass. most of those stories have been beaten dead. maybe i just know too much about the guy already but interviews where you learn nothing new about the subject are garbage.
Sure a lot was already told in his EL,but not everything!
You knew that EMB was the crew and not the spot for example?come on!
Or all the trick nerdery they talked about,the way he's doing his hardflip in the Modus Line(always very interesting to me when pros talk about
Tricks/Trick names,nbd's,abd's what ever).
Carroll is such a legend i just want to listen to him and some of his old storys.
I think the old EMB/plan b/hokus/early girl days is the interesting part.
No need to hear him talk about FF (everything about it was told in the final flare),or even about
MJ.he's done with this dude and the story,so why talk about it?!
That was one of my favorite episodes!!!
shit i must have hyped it up too much when i saw it. dont really know what i was expecting. always found mike to be one of the best skaters ever on the board, off the board he seems like such a distinctive character. guess i was hoping to hear more of mikes views on life and his weird humor. could really care less about the whole mj debacle or FF vid. also i did know that emb was a crew. and he has talked about the modus line in other vids. im glad you enjoyed it just wish someone else did the interview so more of mikes character couldve shown through. chris roberts is a solid interviewer, but i feel like carroll is way more savage, while roberts is more quirky.
Maybe he wasn't drunk,or drunk enough!i also think it has something to do with the
Fact that he's crobs boss idk!
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lol! didnt think of that!
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as the owner of girl and someone who is known to party hard i would expect him to have some of the craziest and funniest stories ever. felt like the episode was really tame. everyone saying they love the episode is making me feel like i missed something. might have to listen again tomorrow at work
It sucked. I love the nine club, but this episode was mostly about already been told stories (abts ?) which made it boring af.
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as the owner of girl and someone who is known to party hard i would expect him to have some of the craziest and funniest stories ever. felt like the episode was really tame. everyone saying they love the episode is making me feel like i missed something. might have to listen again tomorrow at work
It sucked. I love the nine club, but this episode was mostly about already been told stories (abts ?) which made it boring af.
shit thats exactly what im saying. i thought this one would be fuckin comedy, this episode had a lot of potential but definitely didn't deliver. one i really liked was steve olson episode, that dude is hilarious. that story about how he met the other steve olson and he asked if he liked cookies and he said "yeah.....do you got any milk?" shit had me dying. his comedic timing is on point
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as the owner of girl and someone who is known to party hard i would expect him to have some of the craziest and funniest stories ever. felt like the episode was really tame. everyone saying they love the episode is making me feel like i missed something. might have to listen again tomorrow at work
It sucked. I love the nine club, but this episode was mostly about already been told stories (abts ?) which made it boring af.
shit thats exactly what im saying. i thought this one would be fuckin comedy, this episode had a lot of potential but definitely didn't deliver. one i really liked was steve olson episode, that dude is hilarious. that story about how he met the other steve olson and he asked if he liked cookies and he said "yeah.....do you got any milk?" shit had me dying. his comedic timing is on point
''Let's talk about how girl started... '' Who the fuck is watching this shit without knowing the basic story behind crailtap ??
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as the owner of girl and someone who is known to party hard i would expect him to have some of the craziest and funniest stories ever. felt like the episode was really tame. everyone saying they love the episode is making me feel like i missed something. might have to listen again tomorrow at work
It sucked. I love the nine club, but this episode was mostly about already been told stories (abts ?) which made it boring af.
shit thats exactly what im saying. i thought this one would be fuckin comedy, this episode had a lot of potential but definitely didn't deliver. one i really liked was steve olson episode, that dude is hilarious. that story about how he met the other steve olson and he asked if he liked cookies and he said "yeah.....do you got any milk?" shit had me dying. his comedic timing is on point
''Let's talk about how girl started... '' Who the fuck is watching this shit without knowing the basic story behind crailtap ??
exactly. mike has already had an epicly laterd and a chromeball. multiple other docs about his companies and fellow teammates. i feel like that time period before girl has been in so many different videos, magazines, and books. it was kinda cool hearing them talk about different trick names but come on! this is MC! that should not be the highlight of the show! as much as i really like chris roberts but sometimes i wish there was maybe another cohost that dgaf, who was just funny and talk about crazy elicit shit! thats the kind of stuff i like. the whole "so where are you from and how did you start skating?" is always the worst part of any interview. but none the less im still excited for future episodes.
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Full disclosure: I skated a Mike Carroll girl deck around 5-6 years ago. In other news, anyone else notice he looked kind of "off" in the Nine Club interview, at least in the beginning. His face looked like all weird and his eyes were bloodshot and like bleary. Didn't seem very lucid. I enjoyed the interview tho, especially the story about the pro contest where he didn't get top 10 and all that.
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Full disclosure: I skated a Mike Carroll girl deck around 5-6 years ago. In other news, anyone else notice he looked kind of "off" in the Nine Club interview, at least in the beginning. His face looked like all weird and his eyes were bloodshot and like bleary. Didn't seem very lucid. I enjoyed the interview tho, especially the story about the pro contest where he didn't get top 10 and all that.
Maybe he was on weed smoke possibly?
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Full disclosure: I skated a Mike Carroll girl deck around 5-6 years ago. In other news, anyone else notice he looked kind of "off" in the Nine Club interview, at least in the beginning. His face looked like all weird and his eyes were bloodshot and like bleary. Didn't seem very lucid. I enjoyed the interview tho, especially the story about the pro contest where he didn't get top 10 and all that.
I haven't checked the interview yet, but Mike has always seemed a bit spacey to me. Not in a bad way, just super chill.
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One time carrol came into dqm years ago introduced himself then took a condom out of his pocket and proceeded to blow it up over his head Yeah then said peace and dipped. Savage for sure free max b
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Doesn't he have a disease or something? might be the meds, then again he had that oxy graphic?
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Full disclosure: I skated a Mike Carroll girl deck around 5-6 years ago. In other news, anyone else notice he looked kind of "off" in the Nine Club interview, at least in the beginning. His face looked like all weird and his eyes were bloodshot and like bleary. Didn't seem very lucid. I enjoyed the interview tho, especially the story about the pro contest where he didn't get top 10 and all that.
Doesn't he have a disease or something? might be the meds, then again he had that oxy graphic?
He had lupus awhile back. There is a mysterious flesh bubble behind one of his ears. Aside from that I'm not sure.
I think he's spacey because he's a fucking legendary ninja and they're all in a different state of consciousness. "Higher planes and curves."
Also hope he got that difficult trick he was battling, which Elijah Berle mentioned in an interview not long ago.
Best f/s flip I've ever seen in a video, over the SF library gap in The Chocolate Tour.
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MC is on opiates and drinks alot.
He's a really weird dood. Like really fuckin weird. It's actually surprising he's functional. He's also got really bad anxiety issues the past 10 years or so.
Skate legend for sure, but he is like the Michael Jackson of skateboarding
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MC is on opiates and drinks alot.
He's a really weird dood. Like really fuckin weird. It's actually surprising he's functional. He's also got really bad anxiety issues the past 10 years or so.
Skate legend for sure, but he is like the Michael Jackson of skateboarding
source?
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MC is on opiates and drinks alot.
He's a really weird dood. Like really fuckin weird. It's actually surprising he's functional. He's also got really bad anxiety issues the past 10 years or so.
Skate legend for sure, but he is like the Michael Jackson of skateboarding
Ha. Fuck you and your need to talk shit.
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^^^he either has lupus or not...it's a lifelong disease...but he did seem a little off.
MC is on opiates and drinks alot.
He's a really weird dood. Like really fuckin weird. It's actually surprising he's functional. He's also got really bad anxiety issues the past 10 years or so.
Skate legend for sure, but he is like the Michael Jackson of skateboarding
I've heard this too. Lupus can be extremely painful and it's common for lupus patients to be prescribed painpills. Lupus is fucked and can drain every ounce of life out of you and if he does have it it's impressive he still skates at all. I had a cousin who killed himself because of the pain and issues he had to deal with and didn't want to live the rest of his life that way. So if MC does have Lupus props to him for pushing on through it like a G.
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I've taken care of some people with Lupus. One woman was maybe 60 and had the hands of someone with rheumatoid arthritis. Her hands were almost non-functional. I hope MC has it under control because it can be debilitating.
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Mike Carroll & Jacob Rosenberg: Beastie Boys, Misled Youth, Lupus! Weekend Buzz ep. 108 pt. 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogX_M7aOrc#)
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MC is on opiates and drinks alot.
He's a really weird dood. Like really fuckin weird. It's actually surprising he's functional. He's also got really bad anxiety issues the past 10 years or so.
Skate legend for sure, but he is like the Michael Jackson of skateboarding
Ha. Fuck you and your need to talk shit.
Im not talking shit
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^^^he either has lupus or not...it's a lifelong disease...but he did seem a little off.
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MC is on opiates and drinks alot.
He's a really weird dood. Like really fuckin weird. It's actually surprising he's functional. He's also got really bad anxiety issues the past 10 years or so.
Skate legend for sure, but he is like the Michael Jackson of skateboarding
Lupus sucks, I've got family and friends who have it... J Dilla my favorite producer died from it in 2006. At his funeral his mom told a story about how when he was sick and near death he would hallucinate and said Ol' Dirty Bastard called him on the phone and he spoke to him. Erykah Badu made a song about it...
Erykah Badu - 'Telephone' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9WcP5j_6YU#)