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Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« on: November 02, 2020, 02:58:53 PM »
I've been noticing this more often than not on deck dimensions. It seems most 8.38/8.375/8.3 decks are usually over 32" in length, but 8.5 decks from the same companies almost always have the 8.5's at a shorter length like 31.87 or so.

The new DLX drop has the following dimensions across 3 different team series:

Real Oval/Bold/Flowers 8.38 x 32.25 x 14.5wb
Real Oval/Bold/Flowers 8.5 x 31.85 x 14.25wb

You'd think that a slightly narrower deck would have a slightly narrower wheelbase and length, not an increased one.

It's not just DLX shapes, I've seen Baker and other companies all follow suit. 8.38 is my favorite width, but it almost always comes with too long of a wheelbase for what it should be

Is board madness just driving me crazy? Are the woodshops crazy? please discuss.




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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2020, 03:34:25 PM »
No idea...but DLX and some other groups are going crazy AF recenlty...NHS too, just saw an 8x33 with a 14.5" WB ...seriously, who the fuck is riding that?

Maybe they are byproducts of fucked up runs?
« Last Edit: November 02, 2020, 04:59:29 PM by Xen »

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2020, 03:35:16 PM »
I was wondering the same thing recently. I just ordered my first 8.5 a few days ago, with the intention of going wider and still keeping it under 32. That process was not as easy as I thought it would be. I really wanted to try 8.75, but that shit gets even crazier.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2020, 04:26:31 PM »
No kidding. Krooked did this with Sablone's guest model. I measured the 8.25" in real life an it was spot on. Shouldn't the specs be the other way around??


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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2020, 04:58:08 PM »
The 8.5 seem to be the right idea of shape... slightly wider board which has more mass, obviously weighs more so they cut down the board a bit to make up for that and it doesn’t feel like you’re riding a surfboard

Maybe has to do with the original moulds? Maybe 8.38s came from a larger size like 8.7 and got cut down and kept the same wheelbase?

Any woodshop guys on here?

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2020, 06:20:00 PM »
I used to ride smaller shorter boards and although they felt fine, more recently I have been loving the 8.38s because it has the 14.5 wheelbase and slightly longer 32.25 board, but I don't find it to be any less in the width really compared to 8.5 as well as being very easily available (before covid) and being taller I find the longer boards just work better.

In saying that too, I ride a lot of DLX wood, and have had and seen a lot of the 8.5 boards which always used to be 14.38 wheelbase and 32.25 long (same length) so still good, but when I had a blue eagle, the shorter 8.5 x 31.85 with 14.25 wb version, it just didn't work for me as it felt too short.

Most of the boards mentioned are from BBS woodshop so they are the same specs, but I know from talking to a lot of others over the years, they say if boards kept going up in width, wheelbase and length, many would be out of proportion.

The sizing up of this is the Antihero eagle series, which I think works well in going up through cream 8.6, white 8.75 and the orange eagle, at 9 x 33+ with 15 wheelbase, it is perfect for the big dudes who want big boards, but most others who try it think it is way too long.

Also there seem to be many skaters who want shorter wheelbases on wider boards (especially on here), so there is increasing interest in these wider but stubby boards coming out nowdays.

I have found another BBS wood board at 8.5 x 32.7 with 14.5 wheelbase which is excellent, but I am not so keen on the company and usually sand off the graphics before riding them.

Sizes and shapes have been fairly constant for a long time, but many companies choose to run with only a few of a great many existing sizes and shapes for certain runs of boards, even more so now with covid.


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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2020, 06:31:53 PM »
I remember there being some sort of mathematical reason Schmitt said about wheelbase to width having to be certain way
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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2020, 06:35:03 PM »
Magenta have some 8.38's x 31.75 with a 14" wheelbase

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2020, 06:49:02 PM »
https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2020, 07:01:56 PM »
https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?

Chiming in to say this shape is amazing!! Basically feels like Blue Eagle but longer.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2020, 09:58:47 PM »
Looking back over some old catalog specs and it is interesting in 2016 most of the 8.5 decks were around 32.5 long (one having a 14.75 wheelbase).

This is around the same time as the FULL shape was pretty big, so they were longer, stayed wide and had a longer wheelbase overall, but more recently they are doing the FULL SE which is the "Short edition" of the same boards.

The 8.38 x 32.25 size was still constant though.

https://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/img/ah/ah-summer-16-desktop-07.jpg

https://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/img/rs/19-deouble-dip-oval-desktop.jpg


The 8.4 x 32 was also there, I just noticed

https://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/img/ah/ah-summer-16-desktop-03.jpg


Fun looking through all these


https://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/ah.html

https://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/rs.html

https://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/krkd.html

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2020, 10:47:22 PM »
No idea...but DLX and some other groups are going crazy AF recenlty...NHS too, just saw an 8x33 with a 14.5" WB ...seriously, who the fuck is riding that?

Maybe they are byproducts of fucked up runs?

I just don't know man. Seems like SLAPs the one going crazy. I'm currently skating a krooked 8.06 full at 14.44wb and its amazing, its long sure but very very functional. With thunders the longer WB turn is on point.

Before i skated it i was reading on here that it was going to be a mess and an 8 with a close to 14.5wb is crazy but in all truth you the ones crazy. Loving the shape. Will i get another one, nah, i like to mix it up and have a stack different sizes to go through.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2020, 11:47:28 PM »
I've been noticing this more often than not on deck dimensions. It seems most 8.38/8.375/8.3 decks are usually over 32" in length, but 8.5 decks from the same companies almost always have the 8.5's at a shorter length like 31.87 or so.

The new DLX drop has the following dimensions across 3 different team series:

Real Oval/Bold/Flowers 8.38 x 32.25 x 14.5wb
Real Oval/Bold/Flowers 8.5 x 31.85 x 14.25wb

You'd think that a slightly narrower deck would have a slightly narrower wheelbase and length, not an increased one.

It's not just DLX shapes, I've seen Baker and other companies all follow suit. 8.38 is my favorite width, but it almost always comes with too long of a wheelbase for what it should be

Is board madness just driving me crazy? Are the woodshops crazy? please discuss.

This has been the deal with DLX but definitely news if other brands are copying.

The dems of DLX's 8.5 are comparable to FA's 8.5

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2020, 01:41:20 AM »
My theory is that the standard is to go up and down the WB length as you go from one end to the other in width/lengths. Now, with that, sometimes an 8.1, 8.25 or 8.38 can get a longer WB because it's either an experimental shape/WB model or that size's mold has tail and nose lengths that are longer/shorter then normal, therefore the longer WB


But idk, I'm not as well versed in the specs, aside from knowing the ones I like. Lol
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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2020, 09:16:30 AM »
Magenta have some 8.38's x 31.75 with a 14" wheelbase

BRB!!! Been looking for this!! Bless you. haha


Anyone know where I can find these? Google is no help.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2020, 09:19:44 AM »
Sizes and shapes have been fairly constant for a long time, but many companies choose to run with only a few of a great many existing sizes and shapes for certain runs of boards, even more so now with covid.

This makes a lot of sense. I know DLX does the smaller wheelbase models but covid has 'em focusing on what sells best or what's readily available I'm sure

https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?

I'll had my eye on it for sure, just haven't got one yet because of the graphics

I like the FA decks but they're usually 15 bucks more than others up here in Canada

I have a Magenta grinder but never tried a deck..

Is there a differace between the blue eagle and navy eagle? I keep seeing two different dimensions for that deck. Some are 32.25 and others are 31.8, which makes me think they did two runs and I cant be sure of which one Im getting

Im having the same problem with the Real Bold 8.5. Ive seen both 32.25 with 14.5 wheelbase and a 31.8 version. Most Canadian shops I'd buy from never display sizing online
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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2020, 09:25:38 AM »
8.38" is a special size made for tall people who want a little more wheelbase and just a little bit more width than the now-standard 8.25". Just about everything in skating is made for short people so just let us have something for once.  ::)

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2020, 09:40:00 AM »
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Magenta have some 8.38's x 31.75 with a 14" wheelbase
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BRB!!! Been looking for this!! Bless you. haha


Anyone know where I can find these? Google is no help.

https://www.noteshop.co.uk/products/magenta-zebra-deck-8-375

They're listed as 8.375. I didn't scour the net too much but here's one on a UK site.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2020, 09:56:17 AM »
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Magenta have some 8.38's x 31.75 with a 14" wheelbase
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BRB!!! Been looking for this!! Bless you. haha


Anyone know where I can find these? Google is no help.
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https://www.noteshop.co.uk/products/magenta-zebra-deck-8-375

They're listed as 8.375. I didn't scour the net too much but here's one on a UK site.

Thanks! They are sold out currently. I didn't think it would be so hard to find them. The size and the brand. haha

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2020, 09:59:41 AM »
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Magenta have some 8.38's x 31.75 with a 14" wheelbase
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BRB!!! Been looking for this!! Bless you. haha


Anyone know where I can find these? Google is no help.
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https://www.noteshop.co.uk/products/magenta-zebra-deck-8-375

They're listed as 8.375. I didn't scour the net too much but here's one on a UK site.
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Thanks! They are sold out currently. I didn't think it would be so hard to find them. The size and the brand. haha

They use the same dimensions for other boards too. Maybe message them directly?

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2020, 10:20:24 AM »
8.38" is a special size made for tall people who want a little more wheelbase and just a little bit more width than the now-standard 8.25". Just about everything in skating is made for short people so just let us have something for once.  ::)

Ok this actually makes the most sense. I am a tall guy too but recently went down to a Crail 8.25 from 8.5/8.38s and found the shorter wheelbase (14") made flip tricks much easier for me. So im keen to stay on a shorter wheelbase/length

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2020, 12:17:52 PM »
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https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?
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Chiming in to say this shape is amazing!! Basically feels like Blue Eagle but longer.

Echoing this. The 8.4 Kanfoush is the best shape I've ridden. I've been trying to find a shop that has multiples so I can stock up.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2020, 01:34:46 PM »
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https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?
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Chiming in to say this shape is amazing!! Basically feels like Blue Eagle but longer.
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Echoing this. The 8.4 Kanfoush is the best shape I've ridden. I've been trying to find a shop that has multiples so I can stock up.

I think this will become more common and most likely see at least one in this size from every DLX drop, but I think there might be another run or three of the current decks too, given they have sold out in an flash across most places I know.
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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2020, 01:50:40 PM »
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Sizes and shapes have been fairly constant for a long time, but many companies choose to run with only a few of a great many existing sizes and shapes for certain runs of boards, even more so now with covid.
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This makes a lot of sense. I know DLX does the smaller wheelbase models but covid has 'em focusing on what sells best or what's readily available I'm sure

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https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?
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I'll had my eye on it for sure, just haven't got one yet because of the graphics

I like the FA decks but they're usually 15 bucks more than others up here in Canada

I have a Magenta grinder but never tried a deck..

Is there a differace between the blue eagle and navy eagle? I keep seeing two different dimensions for that deck. Some are 32.25 and others are 31.8, which makes me think they did two runs and I cant be sure of which one Im getting

Im having the same problem with the Real Bold 8.5. Ive seen both 32.25 with 14.5 wheelbase and a 31.8 version. Most Canadian shops I'd buy from never display sizing online

Re blue /navy eagle (same board), they are all the shorter size, but because the longer size was standard for so long with every other deck they are probably just putting 8.5 x 32.25 on the info as I think a lot of places don't really know or look into it that much.

Real bold looks to be the same short dimensions, as are almost if not completely all the 8.5 decks from the current run, the only one not is the FULL version.

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/anti-hero-classic-eagle-8-5-skateboard-deck.html

I have had similar issues, but now really go more by the specs from the DLXSF.COM site (then click on the individual brand) or somewhere I know has the correct specs, even if it is not a shop I can buy from, at least they have the info correct.  Two in Australia are OCD and Basement Skate and Conflict Skates in the UK is very comprehensive with specs.

https://www.dlxsf.com/

Search by wheelbase for the 14.0 inch:

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/shop/decks.html?wheelbase=660

Or deck width:

https://www.basementskate.com.au/skateboards/8-3-to-8-49-inch/

https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/

« Last Edit: November 03, 2020, 02:07:40 PM by Mbrimson88 »
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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2020, 02:08:30 PM »
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Sizes and shapes have been fairly constant for a long time, but many companies choose to run with only a few of a great many existing sizes and shapes for certain runs of boards, even more so now with covid.
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This makes a lot of sense. I know DLX does the smaller wheelbase models but covid has 'em focusing on what sells best or what's readily available I'm sure

Expand Quote
https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring20/ah-sp20-d3-04.jpg

This is a fairly common shape now 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb on the Kanfoush.

Are you after that or shorter?
[close]

I'll had my eye on it for sure, just haven't got one yet because of the graphics

I like the FA decks but they're usually 15 bucks more than others up here in Canada

I have a Magenta grinder but never tried a deck..

Is there a differace between the blue eagle and navy eagle? I keep seeing two different dimensions for that deck. Some are 32.25 and others are 31.8, which makes me think they did two runs and I cant be sure of which one Im getting

Im having the same problem with the Real Bold 8.5. Ive seen both 32.25 with 14.5 wheelbase and a 31.8 version. Most Canadian shops I'd buy from never display sizing online
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Re blue /navy eagle (same board), they are all the shorter size, but because the longer size was standard for so long with every other deck they are probably just putting 8.5 x 32.25 on the info as I think a lot of places don't really know or look into it that much.

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/anti-hero-classic-eagle-8-5-skateboard-deck.html

I have had similar issues, but now really go more by the specs from the DLXSF.COM site (then click on the individual brand) or somewhere I know has the correct specs, even if it is not a shop I can buy from, at least they have the info correct.  Two in Australia are OCD and Basement Skate and Conflict Skates in the UK is very comprehensive with specs.


Search by wheelbase for the 14.0 inch:

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/shop/decks.html?wheelbase=660

Or deck width:

https://www.basementskate.com.au/skateboards/8-3-to-8-49-inch/

https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/

Awesome, thank you for all your help! Navy Eagle looking like a real good option for sure

I somehow convinced myself that the Real BOLD 8.5 came in a 32.25 length a few drops ago but just checked and it's always been 31.8, across drops 2,3 and 4.

Probably going with one of those two

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2020, 02:29:28 PM »
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Magenta have some 8.38's x 31.75 with a 14" wheelbase
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BRB!!! Been looking for this!! Bless you. haha


Anyone know where I can find these? Google is no help.
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https://www.noteshop.co.uk/products/magenta-zebra-deck-8-375

They're listed as 8.375. I didn't scour the net too much but here's one on a UK site.
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Thanks! They are sold out currently. I didn't think it would be so hard to find them. The size and the brand. haha

Once you find the size you like, the search option for the graphic or name of the rider is often much better to find more of them, as almost all places will not list the size, but they will almost all have something like MAGENTA ZEBRA in the name.

From looking around, it does seem like they are out of stock in all the places that show up, so most likely between the covid shortage and old runs, you might be out of luck with this one.

If the contact them directly doesn't give you anything, the woodshop thread and the skills and knowledge of a few others might help you locate something of that size and dimensions.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108595.660
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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2020, 02:53:29 PM »
I'm pretty tall (6'6) and I think the current specs of the dlx 8.5 are great. Good balance of roomy width with responsive length. The dlx 8.38s if you compare them directly with the 8.5s there is not really any noticeable difference in width. I might even dare to say that they could be skated interchangeably depending what wheelbase and length you wanted rather than width.

If you're looking for a deck to split the difference the polar 8.5 shape is 32.125 long and 14.5 wheelbase.   


Also I think it would be cool if the dlx 8.6 shape came with a shorter wheelbase maybe like 14.38 and a 32.2 length.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2020, 03:07:49 PM »
8.38" is a special size made for tall people who want a little more wheelbase and just a little bit more width than the now-standard 8.25". Just about everything in skating is made for short people so just let us have something for once.  ::)

i definitely feel this when people complain about any board with a WB longer than 14.25. like practically all boards have a 14 or 14.25 inch WB, you already have infinite choice.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2020, 03:57:48 PM »
One other thing to note, not always the case but most people I think would prefer a shorter wheelbase on street, but people who ride transition, or bigger stuff prefer a longer wheelbase.

I am in the longer wheelbase category because I am more a ramp / bowl skater, although I do skate everything a bit and I have found decker smith tricks work best on longer wheelbases, but as a street setup, the two DLX 8.4 with the 14.25 wheelbase decks I rode were perfect for everything, as they had the normal tail, not the shorter tail, as boards with 31.85 size do.  It is not much, but I could really feel the difference in tail length.

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Re: Why are 8.38's longer than 8.5's?
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2020, 07:44:31 AM »
I found an AVE FA deck that's 8.38 x 31.75" 14.18" wheel base. Going to try this out in the meantime. Less than 1/16" off on each side for the WB ...I think I can manage. The madness isn't that bad I hope. ???   And I've always wanted to try out an FA deck.