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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: FS_Overcrook on October 27, 2020, 09:02:02 AM
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Sorry if this has already been posted. Feel free to bump if it’s already a topic.
Almost half the shops I follow on social media posted account cancellation letters in their stories. Anyone else see this? I tried to link one but it was too hi res to let me.
Just figured it was noteworthy since I saw at least 10 shops get one last night.
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Maybe they are closing those accounts because those shops don’t pay on time or something?
Prolly Adidas own fault if the shop can’t pay, if they are sending them models they don’t want or can’t move.
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Maybe they are closing those accounts because those shops don’t pay on time or something?
Prolly Adidas own fault if the shop can’t pay, if they are sending them models they don’t want or can’t move.
Yeah I thought so too, but a lot of them seem to have newer product dropping like the new Puig model and shipments typically wouldn't be released if they account was overdue on payment.
Account closures happen for sure, but such a widespread clipping seems kinda foreshadowing or telling of a looming issue.
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Can someone post a reference please?
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I saw Sixth Ave Skatepark got clipped from Adidas and Nike.
What other shops have been getting their accounts closed?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFsnJzgFgd1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CFsnJzgFgd1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CG0oN0IlJ9R/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG0oN0IlJ9R/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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Good, support skate companies, order lakai and emerica, maybe give them more money so they can make better products like the ones we’ve been asking for!
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Can someone post a reference please?
I tried before, but the file is always too large. Check https://www.instagram.com/oneuppgh/ (https://www.instagram.com/oneuppgh/) story while its still up.
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Yep, a shop by me as well posted last night
(https://i.ibb.co/1sXjWSq/image.png) (https://ibb.co/1sXjWSq)
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Can someone post a reference please?
I tried before, but the file is always too large. Check https://www.instagram.com/oneuppgh/ (https://www.instagram.com/oneuppgh/) story while its still up.
(https://i.ibb.co/2j3Tgsd/image.png) (https://ibb.co/2j3Tgsd)
(https://i.ibb.co/XjvByJG/image.png) (https://ibb.co/XjvByJG)
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I'm so glad my local has never bothered with SB or Adidas, in fact I think he knew the score before this type of stuff happened.
T's a shame.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
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Lol didn't see this coming
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Corporate brands being corporate . Who woulda thunk?
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Gnarly.
The problem is not only that Nike and Adidas only had superficial ties to the scene... but the "core" companies took us for granted. They assumed shit they had done in the past or the fact their owners were once skaters should account for their lazy attitudes towards the scene and their low quality price point shit.
I'm just not going to wear shoes anymore.
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This started happening a little while ago. Converse is doing the same thing but being quieter about it
Free max b
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I knew Adidas was doing something when Karl Watson said he had to stop hooking everyone up with shoes on his Bunt interview (or was it Nine Club?). I mean it's not surprising that this is happening seeing how every company is trying to find ways to save money in light of what is going on in this world. I wonder if they start dropping riders next.
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i wonder if the suits did homework as to which pros ride for which shop...
maybe atlas wont lose adidas because of suciu?
or stratosphere wont lose nike?
i dont really give a shit im just wondering
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Gnarly.
The problem is not only that Nike and Adidas only had superficial ties to the scene... but the "core" companies took us for granted. They assumed shit they had done in the past or the fact their owners were once skaters should account for their lazy attitudes towards the scene and their low quality price point shit.
I'm just not going to wear shoes anymore.
Agree with all of this. I was riding Lakai only but I had 3 pairs in a row that I suspected of treason (AKA bad quality). That and the sizing felt different on all 3 (it was the same model). This led me to buying the corporate brands.
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last resort killed them
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this all points to one thing....
OSIRIS REVIVAL!!!!!
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this all points to one thing....
OSIRIS REVIVAL!!!!! Circa Combat!!!!!
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this all points to one thing....
OSIRIS REVIVAL!!!!!
If them D-3s can protect my ankles and heels more than these mofos, fuck it, I'll give them a shot
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Good, support skate companies, order lakai and emerica, maybe give them more money so they can make better products like the ones we’ve been asking for!
That's the role of investors, not consumers. You don't buy an inferior product on spec, in hopes your purchases can improve the quality of the product for future purchases. Speaking in general, not trying to argue the quality of sole-tech vs corporate brands.
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Not a good sign. There's going to be a allot of shoe free agents hitting the market in the future.
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Not gonna shed a single tear for any shop who supported Nike or Adidas. That's what you get for jumping on the jock train.
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Was only a matter of time till they pulled the rug from under them. Hope they go back to stocking more core skate shoes and pushing them in their shops.
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Can someone post a reference please?
I tried before, but the file is always too large. Check https://www.instagram.com/oneuppgh/ (https://www.instagram.com/oneuppgh/) story while its still up.
Thanks for that email...still in the story...
Does everyone think it's a bad sign for Adidas skate division or skate shops? I think it's a bad sign for Adidas personally.
Vendor not offering product or a credit line anymore doesn't sound good for Adidas.
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yall hate on new balance but they sure as hell wouldn't pull shit like this
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I'll say this... Nathaniel is a Caucasian,registered Republican,Christian. :o These companies frown upon this combination.
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yall hate on new balance but they sure as hell wouldn't pull shit like this
yes they absolutely would, what are you talking about? new balance runs their shit just like every other show company, they aren't special
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Not gonna shed a single tear for any shop who supported Nike or Adidas. That's what you get for jumping on the jock train.
Even if the market forces a shop to jump on said jock train to survive?
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Not gonna shed a single tear for any shop who supported Nike or Adidas. That's what you get for jumping on the jock train.
Even if the market forces a shop to jump on said jock train to survive?
That's not a thing, so it's not relevant. You don't have to sell sport brand shoes to survive as a shop. And if your shop is gonna die because the only thing people buy from you is sport brand shoes, your shop sucks, period.
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https://thegoodshoppingguide.com/subject/shoes-trainers/
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I'm just going to start wearing 6 layers of socks
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Gnarly.
The problem is not only that Nike and Adidas only had superficial ties to the scene... but the "core" companies took us for granted. They assumed shit they had done in the past or the fact their owners were once skaters should account for their lazy attitudes towards the scene and their low quality price point shit.
I'm just not going to wear shoes anymore.
Agree with all of this. I was riding Lakai only but I had 3 pairs in a row that I suspected of treason (AKA bad quality). That and the sizing felt different on all 3 (it was the same model). This led me to buying the corporate brands.
Love the gif in your sig
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Not gonna shed a single tear for any shop who supported Nike or Adidas. That's what you get for jumping on the jock train.
Even if the market forces a shop to jump on said jock train to survive?
That's not a thing, so it's not relevant. You don't have to sell sport brand shoes to survive as a shop. And if your shop is gonna die because the only thing people buy from you is sport brand shoes, your shop sucks, period.
Sure! That's one, albeit myopic way of looking at it.
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yall hate on new balance but they sure as hell wouldn't pull shit like this
yes they absolutely would, what are you talking about? new balance runs their shit just like every other show company, they aren't special
nbnumeric has one tiny little office in long beach separate from their corporate office on the east coast. it's a small group of dudes that run the skate program. yes, when it comes down to it new balance is still a corporate company, but as far as i know the dudes at the long beach office run the skate program with minimal/to no interference from corporate
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It's like CHAZ but for ugly ass shoes.
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Looks like Adidas is gazelleing out.
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yall hate on new balance but they sure as hell wouldn't pull shit like this
yes they absolutely would, what are you talking about? new balance runs their shit just like every other show company, they aren't special
So it sounds more likely that corporate would just shut down Numeric altogether if push came to shove, which also wouldn't be great.
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Not surprised. It's not like Adidas or Nike really cared about what happens to skateboarding anyways. It's just another revenue stream for them. Hell, Nike pulled out of the snowboard boot game when they realized that the difference in quality in snowboard boots was minimal and they couldn't dominate the scene. I never wore Adidas or Nike because I always felt like they weren't legitimate skate companies and was too embarrassed to wear them. Now, I'm sure they make amazing skate shoes and I've heard from many people that they are good, but I just never really cared. I'm not advocating people to buy core, but to just understand what these corporate brands are about: $$$$.
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From a business standpoint, selling/ shipping directly from their warehouses saves them thousands a year. Overall, it seems like retail stores are slowly disappearing anyway and focusing online so they're just following the trend.
I hate to say it but I haven't visited a local shop in atleast 5+ years. Only because there isn't one that isn't 40+ min west or east of me. I want to support but driving, sitting in traffic and then paying a premium just to support isn't worth it for me.
I do buy from a few shops online but then shipping costs are added in too meanwhile sites like tactics, ccs, zumiez, etc. offer free shipping for the most part. Also, buying directly from the brand website is usually cheaper too as they have sales often.
As we saw with mom and pop shops competing with Walmart, it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
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(https://i.ibb.co/w7r5HXY/image.png) (https://ibb.co/w7r5HXY)
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I wish Home had my size. 1/2 size small in the Nakels, but wouldn't wear those if they were free.
(https://i.imgur.com/DVeZ3dP.jpg)
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this all points to one thing....
OSIRIS REVIVAL!!!!!
The STORM is a coming!!!
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Nb about to blow up
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I'm just going to start wearing 6 layers of socks
https://youtu.be/dz0e-KAGvSY
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Not gonna shed a single tear for any shop who supported Nike or Adidas. That's what you get for jumping on the jock train.
Even if the market forces a shop to jump on said jock train to survive?
That's not a thing, so it's not relevant. You don't have to sell sport brand shoes to survive as a shop. And if your shop is gonna die because the only thing people buy from you is sport brand shoes, your shop skate scene sucks, period.
I agree with this. I think loyalty should be with your local and not a corporate company. My local is doing fine and only stock core shoes with the exception of nb. I’m good with this. If you thought Nike or adidas actually wanted to be a part of skateboarding for anything more than your money your naive. Fuck them stop supporting corporate companies that don’t give a fuck about it’s customers. you’re too concerned about being on trend.
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Can't wait to skate those awesome shoes with the banana on the side made down the street from Nike.
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Don’t ever buy athletic footwear to skate in y’all; as the mighty Lordz once told us: they don’t give a fuck about us.
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Don’t ever buy athletic footwear to skate in y’all; as the mighty Lordz once told us: they don’t give a fuck about us.
God bless William phan
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From a business standpoint, selling/ shipping directly from their warehouses saves them thousands a year. Overall, it seems like retail stores are slowly disappearing anyway and focusing online so they're just following the trend.
I hate to say it but I haven't visited a local shop in atleast 5+ years. Only because there isn't one that isn't 40+ min west or east of me. I want to support but driving, sitting in traffic and then paying a premium just to support isn't worth it for me.
I do buy from a few shops online but then shipping costs are added in too meanwhile sites like tactics, ccs, zumiez, etc. offer free shipping for the most part. Also, buying directly from the brand website is usually cheaper too as they have sales often.
As we saw with mom and pop shops competing with Walmart, it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
You realize that you're actually the problem that you're talking about, right? Not wanting to drive 40 minutes there and back is understandable but not buying from a legit skateshop that has an online store because you may have to pay $15 extra in shipping is lame. Don't say "I hate to say it but..." if you have the option to support but don't. Be honest and start your blurb with "I'm a cheap fuck and....."
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From a business standpoint, selling/ shipping directly from their warehouses saves them thousands a year. Overall, it seems like retail stores are slowly disappearing anyway and focusing online so they're just following the trend.
I hate to say it but I haven't visited a local shop in atleast 5+ years. Only because there isn't one that isn't 40+ min west or east of me. I want to support but driving, sitting in traffic and then paying a premium just to support isn't worth it for me.
I do buy from a few shops online but then shipping costs are added in too meanwhile sites like tactics, ccs, zumiez, etc. offer free shipping for the most part. Also, buying directly from the brand website is usually cheaper too as they have sales often.
As we saw with mom and pop shops competing with Walmart, it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
You realize that you're actually the problem that you're talking about, right? Not wanting to drive 40 minutes there and back is understandable but not buying from a legit skateshop that has an online store because you may have to pay $15 extra in shipping is lame. Don't say "I hate to say it but..." if you have the option to support but don't. Be honest and start your blurb with "I'm a cheap fuck and....."
thanks watson, i was about to make a long ass post, agree 100%
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From a business standpoint, selling/ shipping directly from their warehouses saves them thousands a year. Overall, it seems like retail stores are slowly disappearing anyway and focusing online so they're just following the trend.
I hate to say it but I haven't visited a local shop in atleast 5+ years. Only because there isn't one that isn't 40+ min west or east of me. I want to support but driving, sitting in traffic and then paying a premium just to support isn't worth it for me.
I do buy from a few shops online but then shipping costs are added in too meanwhile sites like tactics, ccs, zumiez, etc. offer free shipping for the most part. Also, buying directly from the brand website is usually cheaper too as they have sales often.
As we saw with mom and pop shops competing with Walmart, it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
You realize that you're actually the problem that you're talking about, right? Not wanting to drive 40 minutes there and back is understandable but not buying from a legit skateshop that has an online store because you may have to pay $15 extra in shipping is lame. Don't say "I hate to say it but..." if you have the option to support but don't. Be honest and start your blurb with "I'm a cheap fuck and....."
thanks watson, i was about to make a long ass post, agree 100%
Yes it does cost a little bit more in shipping, but most of the small shops are holding it down for scenes producing local videos, helping get kids into skating the right way, and putting most of that revenue towards rent/utilities and employing fellow skateboarders.
Any online sale from outside the scene goes a long way. I buy from small shops all the time and try to spread the love because I know those shops are going through a tough time and CCS/Zumiez/Skate Warehouse could care less about growing the local scene and keep kids skateboarding.
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it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
Oh, like a culture?
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it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
Oh, like a culture?
I'll HAPPILY spend a few bucks more to get something from Uprise knowing I'll get it back in shop hookups on releases, events, free content, contests, signings, giveaways, raffles, etc., etc., etc.
Where I grew up there was no local, so CCS had it's time/place, but if you're just cheap, you can suck a frank.
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Fuck Adidas and Fuck Nike. We shouldn't support these companies in skateboarding...
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is this a thread from 2009
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Fuck Adidas and Fuck Nike. We shouldn't support these companies in skateboarding...
Thank you, finally someone is speaking my mind.
Look I know Vans is owned by VF Corp...and Dill once complained about being forced to sell more Vans or something.
But I love my Vans and I love seeing shade thrown at Nike & Addias.
Screw PRod for bringing Nike back into the equation...he will always be a prick to me
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I've heard it is hard as fuck to get a Vans account.
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This shouldn't surprise anyone, it was only a matter of time. Skateboarding is one of the coolest fucking things on the planet and these companies wanted our credibility and aesthetic. Once they got it, they no longer need us. It's a shame we let them in so easily. Quit buying their shit.
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I've heard it is hard as fuck to get a Vans account.
It takes like a year of being around or something.
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I've heard it is hard as fuck to get a Vans account.
It can actually take longer depending on the brand/circumstance.
Proximity to a shop that has a current account in good standing, how long the store applying has been open, and if there is approval from corporate/sales manager to open new accounts.
Sometimes there's only 3-4 new accounts allowed to open a year so it becomes more of a liquor license type scenario where its waiting for one existing account to close or not pay their bills long enough to get cancelled.
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my small colorado mountain town local shop that has had an adidas account since 2010ish I believe, also got the boot. They've always been a supportive shop in the scene here ( they sell non skate related clothing as well , but have a big skate section and carry eS, Emerica, DC as well as NB , very small amount of Nike(no QS's) and Vans
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
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Don’t ever buy athletic footwear to skate in y’all; as the mighty Lordz once told us: they don’t give a fuck about us.
I don’t think any shoe company really cares about us. “It’s all about da muthafuckin money”
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
My local pretty much only carries Vans, Lakai’s, and New Balances.
I’ve never bought a pair of Lakai’s but might soon. I’ve heard the quality isn’t that great, but in all honesty.
I’m old and only skate once a week if I’m lucky. Skate shoes last me for at least a year generally.
I’d rather support a skater owned company even if the quality isn’t top notch.
Why? I don’t know sometimes skaters just do things like that for the principal. To make a statement of what they believe in.
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In my line of work (sales) I do not restrict the sale of my product. If a new account is struggling to make MOQ (minimum order quantity) I pass them along to a reseller who stocks my product and sells lower volumes at a 15% markup.
Is their no such system for buying skate shoes for shops?
If I am Nike/Adidas I don’t want to deal with every low volume skate shop but how hard would it be for them to have a handful of resellers in each country?
I work in manufacturing sales so maybe retail is different but it seems awfully harsh for companies that wouldn’t notice the difference one way or the other.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
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Damn sad, I've enjoyed every single Adidas shoe I've skated (Busenitz, Busenitz Vulc, Matchcourt ADV, Superstar Vulc, Suciu).
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
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Corporate brands being corporate . Who woulda thunk?
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Nike has never cared about skaters. Even look at the current state of their skate shoes. It's virtually impossible to get a pair of Dunks without knowing someone or severely overpaying in 2020.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
That is the most halfwitted argument I’ve ever heard.
Instead of looking towards history, ethics, and basic moral principles to argue your side. You choose to do things in life just because you think it’s cool.
—damnit you got me. That’s why I do most things too. Any hoot, screw Adidas
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In my line of work (sales) I do not restrict the sale of my product. If a new account is struggling to make MOQ (minimum order quantity) I pass them along to a reseller who stocks my product and sells lower volumes at a 15% markup.
Is their no such system for buying skate shoes for shops?
If I am Nike/Adidas I don’t want to deal with every low volume skate shop but how hard would it be for them to have a handful of resellers in each country?
I work in manufacturing sales so maybe retail is different but it seems awfully harsh for companies that wouldn’t notice the difference one way or the other.
its rare for distros in the states to resell shoes, if the shop cant make full margin its not worth it. shops usually only make money on clothes and shoes, not hard goods.
in canada this is why all our product costs more. all product goes to a reseller technically. hardgoods see the worst of it.
but its not a great program when a distro gets a shoe brand because chances are they change margins to be 40% mark up instead of keystone. this means shop makes less or charges more so the customer gets fucked.
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Looks like Adidas is gazelleing out.
ironic because most of my fondest memories of people doing gazelles, were Of people doing them in the three stripes
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Idk about anyone else but hearing that one poster saying how he and the younger gen of skaters only skate and wear the big 3 really bummed me out. I'm 27, only 7 years older than that poster but I'm glad I grew up on core brands. I'm not gonna act like I've never tried or worn the corpo brands, but saying that Nike, adidas and sorry but vans who rehash the same shoes and models season after season is better than what most core skate brands put out and have re-reissued is somehow inferior can kick rocks. Wearing what everyone else wears just makes me cringe.
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Nike has never cared about skaters. Even look at the current state of their skate shoes. It's virtually impossible to get a pair of Dunks without knowing someone or severely overpaying in 2020.
From a supply and demand stance, Nike actually blows it. Completely selling out of a product is not always a great thing. It can mean your prices are too low.
Consider the fact that when they release a Dunk, it immediately sells out and then hits the re-sale market at higher price. Is it just me or is it crazy to think that a consumer can turn around and make a profit on something they just bought? Shouldn’t Nike be smart enough to figure out how to make that money?
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Idk about anyone else but hearing that one poster saying how he and the younger gen of skaters only skate and wear the big 3 really bummed me out. I'm 27, only 7 years older than that poster but I'm glad I grew up on core brands. I'm not gonna act like I've never tried or worn the corpo brands, but saying that Nike, adidas and sorry but vans who rehash the same shoes and models season after season is better than what most core skate brands put out and have re-reissued is somehow inferior can kick rocks. Wearing what everyone else wears just makes me cringe.
So depressing. I didn't even want to dignify him with a response.
Genuinely, it made me sad to read that.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
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I remember reading this interview with Keith where he said -
"Using the competition as a driving force is important. Skateboard brands need to get more creative and take their business to the next level. There’s some point where it’s either you sit there and complain or you do something about the situation. Yeah, the competition can be difficult, but you have to get up and fight for your piece of the pie. There are always limits, but there are also a million ways to be creative and innovative in order to work around those limits. You can always compete - you just have to find the way that works best for you or your brand. Rather than talk about the situation, you have to make an effort to create the situation. And I feel the underground will always have the advantage. Maybe not in money, but in design and culture and having its ear to the ground."
How many "core" companies have been even somewhat progressive with what they have put out in the last 10 years?
In the same interview, the Sole Tech owner says - "I believe skaters still think for themselves and are not influenced as much as people may assume by marketing" - How head in the sand could you possibly be?
"I am not a judge of what other skaters do. I will never be able to understand their own social and economic reasons for the choices they make. I always stand for skateboarding - dedication, commitment and passion for our culture. There are still pros out there that believe the same way that I do. I am also encouraged and inspired by the amount of great skaters in our community that demonstrate great loyalty to skateboarding. I have to say that I’m not just inspired, I’m humbled by it. I am humbled and honoured when someone who has the same lucrative options presented to them, yet chooses to remain on a team with people who are working hard toward the same goal of progressing skateboarding."
Uh yeah, how about guys like McCrank and TX who turned down offers from these big companies, to stay on eS, only for them to drop the team with out notice?
https://www.highsnobiety.com/p/skateboard-footwear-bold-steps-forward/
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
not to mention ur paying the same price for a pair of lakais as you would for a pair of nike/adi/vans etc.
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We all saw this coming and were warned but I think it was almost impossible to avoid. I'm not surprised younger kids only skate big brands. They have the money and as a result their pick of the best skaters. Core companies got caught sleeping. If Huf had to pull the plug on shoes you know it's bad. In an ideal world skaters could change what's in motion and vote with their wallet but I don't see that happening.
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I've heard it is hard as fuck to get a Vans account.
That's what I've heard as well. However, I know a shop in Orlando that has some serious "street cred" (we still use that term?) in the industry and was able to strong arm Vans into giving them an account despite a long-time account existing 2 miles away. Funny enough, they were able to set most of the terms of the account as well so they only carry the shoes they like and never have to deal with any trash shoes or minimums.
I don't like Vans, but I respect that they worked out a specific deal with a good shop that does a ton to support the local scene/culture.
They also refused to carry Nike...I wonder if they lost their adidas account?
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From a business standpoint, selling/ shipping directly from their warehouses saves them thousands a year. Overall, it seems like retail stores are slowly disappearing anyway and focusing online so they're just following the trend.
I hate to say it but I haven't visited a local shop in atleast 5+ years. Only because there isn't one that isn't 40+ min west or east of me. I want to support but driving, sitting in traffic and then paying a premium just to support isn't worth it for me.
I do buy from a few shops online but then shipping costs are added in too meanwhile sites like tactics, ccs, zumiez, etc. offer free shipping for the most part. Also, buying directly from the brand website is usually cheaper too as they have sales often.
As we saw with mom and pop shops competing with Walmart, it's hard for small retail to survive unless they offer something different.
You realize that you're actually the problem that you're talking about, right? Not wanting to drive 40 minutes there and back is understandable but not buying from a legit skateshop that has an online store because you may have to pay $15 extra in shipping is lame. Don't say "I hate to say it but..." if you have the option to support but don't. Be honest and start your blurb with "I'm a cheap fuck and....."
You right. I'm a cheap fuck most of the time. Hence why I lurk the sale gear thread often. I mainly buy from shops online when I buy more than one item. Not worth it to pay $15 shipping for one deck but if I'm getting a deck, trucks and shoes then the cost is justified.
However, I do support local brands when I can. They're not in shops but atleast it's "contributing" to the scene a little bit.
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Gnarly.
The problem is not only that Nike and Adidas only had superficial ties to the scene... but the "core" companies took us for granted. They assumed shit they had done in the past or the fact their owners were once skaters should account for their lazy attitudes towards the scene and their low quality price point shit.
I'm just not going to wear shoes anymore.
Agree with all of this. I was riding Lakai only but I had 3 pairs in a row that I suspected of treason (AKA bad quality). That and the sizing felt different on all 3 (it was the same model). This led me to buying the corporate brands.
Yup vans is especially guilty of getting away with making shitty shoes because some people think they have a core "pass." I've never had shoes come apart at the heel side of the sole other than with vans. The sole tread wears down the quickest out of every brand ivwe tried. I see kids with holes in the fucking sole for fucks sake, only with vans. People who buy vans are throwing their money away.
At the end of the day all I care about is being able to skate as much as I can, and if that means buying nike/Adidas/NB because the quality of their product and customer service is superior then that's what I'm going to do.
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my small colorado mountain town local shop that has had an adidas account since 2010ish I believe, also got the boot. They've always been a supportive shop in the scene here ( they sell non skate related clothing as well , but have a big skate section and carry eS, Emerica, DC as well as NB , very small amount of Nike(no QS's) and Vans
does your shop have online ordering?
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It’s been talked about on here for years that these corpo brands will all bail on skateboarding again like they have In the past so hopefully these shops were prepared for this. Still sucks to hear considering adidas is viewed as one of the top 3 in skating right now and that’s what kids want. As of recent , Has adidas had mass a rider exodus yet?
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Can we make a list? Let me know if there are others. I just scrolled through all the skateshop instas I can find and didn't find much. So far I have seen these in this thread:
- Sixth Ave Skatepark (Nashville, TN)
- One Up (Pittsburgh, PA
- Solstice (New Bedford, MA)
- Home Skateshop (Louisville, KY)
- Urbane (Steamboat Springs, CO)
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Bruh you do not speak for a generation, stop with the “we” and “us” bullshit.
“the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes“
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On one hand, I've been denouncing things like the strips or the swoosh for a while and saying they were just leeching off of skateboarding's awesomeness.
On the other hand, the economy has been wrecked for an entire year, it's hard to call out any company for tightening up their belt.
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Bruh you do not speak for a generation, stop with the “we” and “us” bullshit.
As someone who is only a couple of years older and luckily knows a few kids that age who aren't complete idiots like this one, yeah stop it with the 'we'.
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I just checked the shoe selection at my 2 locals that have shoes online; it’s all Nike, adidas,converse, new balance, and vans... and one or two pairs of lakais. I would like to support lakai or es/emerica but it’s kinda hard without taking it online, and even then pickins are slim.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
so do sony and apple etc is everyone who filmed vx and edits on a imac a trendy jock lhm r u david letterman how out of touch r u? nike and adidas have always had a huge presence in popular culture and obv with social media now more than ever and that will clearly overlap into skating and vice versa but don’t get it twisted the kosten 3 is a rip off of the jordan 12
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my small colorado mountain town local shop that has had an adidas account since 2010ish I believe, also got the boot. They've always been a supportive shop in the scene here ( they sell non skate related clothing as well , but have a big skate section and carry eS, Emerica, DC as well as NB , very small amount of Nike(no QS's) and Vans
yeah https://www.urbanesteamboat.com/ usually have a good supply of trucks and wheels as well , just got krooked boards in
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Can we make a list? Let me know if there are others. I just scrolled through all the skateshop instas I can find and didn't find much. So far I have seen these in this thread:
- Sixth Ave Skatepark (Nashville, TN)
- One Up (Pittsburgh, PA
- Solstice (New Bedford, MA)
- Home Skateshop (Louisville, KY)
- Urbane (Steamboat Springs, CO)
And also i will add that if it is <15 shops or whatever I think you can blame market contractions and a need to trim small accounts, and not some malicious scheme to dump core skateboarding. We are in a recession dudes.
This is coming from someone who has bought nothing except for state, lakai, and Last Resort now for 3+ years. I don't like Nike or Adidas but also I don't think everything is some kind of huge comic-book-villain strategy.
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Basically every company that can is transitioning their sales to direct to consumer. I can almost guarantee though that the fist waves of shops getting the axe are ones that are overly reliant on long credit terms, owe back bills, etc. If you're a supplier and shops need net 90 days+ to pay, they're basically not worth dealing with.
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Exactly. You're the type of person who wouldn't skate if it wasn't cool, i.e., a trendy jock. I can criticize these companies as much as I want. Why do you corporate guys get so worked up when people point out some of the lame aspects of these companies? Talk about getting defensive. You wrote an entire wall of barely coherent text in response to a few sentences. The only point you seem to be making is that you don't care about skateboarding culture and you prefer corporate brands because they look cooler. That's all you had to say. Instead you subjected us all to a page from your diary.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
not to mention ur paying the same price for a pair of lakais as you would for a pair of nike/adi/vans etc.
And ?
Also they look deadly. I've loads of lakais and they all look great.
Look dude if you don't like wearing skate shoes that's fine. Don't kid yourself that your doing anyone any good wearing nike sb.
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Nike SB/Cons/Adidas are going to phase out of the shops and focus on direct to consumer and also offering their SB footwear at their own stores and outlets.
Vans are doing the same but they will stay forever with skate shops and offer only the "Pro" and "Signature" footwear options. which is already happening... There's a Vans store in nearly every city now and their sales are fucking MASSIVE
Now would be the time for the actual skateboard native footwear brands to make a push for leveling out the market share for skate footwear
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Exactly. You're the type of person who wouldn't skate if it wasn't cool, i.e., a trendy jock. I can criticize these companies as much as I want. Why do you corporate guys get so worked up when people point out some of the lame aspects of these companies? Talk about getting defensive. You wrote an entire wall of barely coherent text in response to a few sentences. The only point you seem to be making is that you don't care about skateboarding culture and you prefer corporate brands because they look cooler. That's all you had to say. Instead you subjected us all to a page from your diary.
Exactly. This dude doesn’t care about skateboard culture and history. Which I perceive is very important.
I’m not sure if this kid skates well or not, but I definitely agree with Phelps that it blows because:
“even the kooks rip now.”
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Nike has never cared about skaters. Even look at the current state of their skate shoes. It's virtually impossible to get a pair of Dunks without knowing someone or severely overpaying in 2020.
From a supply and demand stance, Nike actually blows it. Completely selling out of a product is not always a great thing. It can mean your prices are too low.
Consider the fact that when they release a Dunk, it immediately sells out and then hits the re-sale market at higher price. Is it just me or is it crazy to think that a consumer can turn around and make a profit on something they just bought? Shouldn’t Nike be smart enough to figure out how to make that money?
supply and demand is kind of outdated as a concept for niche items. by constantly having the supply to meet the demand, you play yourself out of the current market. the market wants scarcity. that’s why albums have small vinyl runs, it’s why supreme makes limited runs of t-shirts and it’s why nike makes limited runs of shoes. resell is the motivator on purchasing at this point, not functionality or ownership. nike has a bunch of simple models of shoes that sit on shelves forever so you can get an average sneaker, but anything with any sort of artistry is going to have implied scarcity as the driving force
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Can we make a list? Let me know if there are others. I just scrolled through all the skateshop instas I can find and didn't find much. So far I have seen these in this thread:
- Sixth Ave Skatepark (Nashville, TN)
- One Up (Pittsburgh, PA
- Solstice (New Bedford, MA)
- Home Skateshop (Louisville, KY)
- Urbane (Steamboat Springs, CO)
And also i will add that if it is <15 shops or whatever I think you can blame market contractions and a need to trim small accounts, and not some malicious scheme to dump core skateboarding. We are in a recession dudes.
This is coming from someone who has bought nothing except for state, lakai, and Last Resort now for 3+ years. I don't like Nike or Adidas but also I don't think everything is some kind of huge comic-book-villain strategy.
Minus Skateshop in Carmel Indiana
Solstice and One Up have to be pretty big accounts, Idk about the other ones but this does seem like a direct to consumer ordeal to me
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Exactly. You're the type of person who wouldn't skate if it wasn't cool, i.e., a trendy jock. I can criticize these companies as much as I want. Why do you corporate guys get so worked up when people point out some of the lame aspects of these companies? Talk about getting defensive. You wrote an entire wall of barely coherent text in response to a few sentences. The only point you seem to be making is that you don't care about skateboarding culture and you prefer corporate brands because they look cooler. That's all you had to say. Instead you subjected us all to a page from your diary.
Exactly. This dude doesn’t care about skateboard culture and history. Which I perceive is very important.
I’m not sure if this kid skates well or not, but I definitely agree with Phelps that it blows because:
“even the kooks rip now.”
naw we agree history & culture is very important
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Exactly. You're the type of person who wouldn't skate if it wasn't cool, i.e., a trendy jock. I can criticize these companies as much as I want. Why do you corporate guys get so worked up when people point out some of the lame aspects of these companies? Talk about getting defensive. You wrote an entire wall of barely coherent text in response to a few sentences. The only point you seem to be making is that you don't care about skateboarding culture and you prefer corporate brands because they look cooler. That's all you had to say. Instead you subjected us all to a page from your diary.
i started skating because of a mcdonalds toy. so chut up. u and i skate for the same exact reason. because we think its the coolest fucking thing in the world. get off your high horse. ill be skating til my body physically cannot handle it anymore and then some.
you arent even arguing about shoes anymore, youre just getting defensive because your realizing the points that ive made above are all valid, and u dont know how to address them.
as far as "skateboarding culture" goes. it can get fucked. yup, yall r gonna hate me for that one. skateboarding should be for anyone that wants to participate in it, not some "cool club" that only the "cool kids" get to participate in and anyone who goes against there "cool kid" rulebook is a kook. how fucking dumb is that. that to me is the "jock shit" you speak of.
alot of us found solitude in skateboarding because it got as away from all the jock shit. to me theres nothing more "jock" than screaming somebody out of the park because they dont fit the guidelines of a"core skateboarder" or accidentally got in your way. this inclusiveness is the thing i hate most about skateboarders.
Imagine thinking "that guys a kook because he's wearing (insert shoe brand here)" thats essentially the mindset you have perpetuated to me.
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Chuck Ramone off the top rope with a metal chair!!!
I get what this kid is saying, but it's funny because he hasn't seen it happen before.
I remember when Nike bought Hurley, and also tried to get into surfing, snowboarding, BMX, etc. Imitating the success of Nike SB with Nike 6.0.
Then they pulled out of all those the second it wasn't profitable.
Now they are doing the same thing as we speak. Due to a virus that has accelerated the death of brick and mortar retail, which would occur, just down the road.
Is the goal of all companies money?
Is the goal of these companies to become an important aspect of growth and security of the industry?
Obviously we all want to turn a profit, but what was the motivation for entering said space?
Or perhaps I'm looking at it through my activist tainted millennial goggles, the gen Z may be more jaded and don't care. "companies are gonna fuck us regardless might as well buy the shoe that has the most clout"
I may be off base here but when we are stuck in a capitalistic society, the dollar is the best vote.
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" u and i skate for the same exact reason. because we think its the coolest fucking thing in the world"
Uh you don't skate for fun?
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
Griffin Gass?
Or maybe you're more into Alec Majerus, Benny Fairfax, Nestor Judkins, Jack Fardell and Claus Bohms? Lol. Adidas has like, 2000 people on their team. Pretty easy to find unpopular skaters on their roster too.
Just be honest man - you don't care about the culture of skateboarding, you do it because it's popular. If all your Nike and Adidas wearing friends quit to play sports, you probably would too so that you kept doing what was perceived as cool.
When I look for a skate shoe, modern and technical is not what I'm looking for. I want a classic, simple looking shoe with minimal branding. Last thing I want is some giant sports logo on literally every model. Lots of people want the same thing.
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" u and i skate for the same exact reason. because we think its the coolest fucking thing in the world"
Uh you don't skate for fun?
nah just purely for tik tok followers bro.
of course i do. its the funnest thing on the planet thats what makes it so god damn cool
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This thread feels like 2009 all over again. I know for me and my friends, (early-mid-20's, most of us skating since the late aughts) most of us skate either vans or nike. I've skated a few pairs of nike recently after skating almost exclusively vans for the last 2 years or so and let me say, they're fucking comfy. They're just more comfortable than vans. Blazer lows are absolutely without question the perfect shoe for me. Maybe it's just my foot, but my friends say the same thing.
Shoes are tough, cause they aren't like clothes or boards. They're super dependent on quality, comfort and consistency, and these massive brands can provide that. It sucks, yes. Watching iconic brands that I grew up with flounder at the feet of the swoosh and the three stripes was hard, but they had their own fuckups that brought them there too. Yeah, the big 3 didn't help, but it's not entirely their fault. The hardest to see go was Huf. Great, unique enough designs, rad team, rad flow program.
Anyways, I'm rambling, this does suck, but I don't see nike or adidas pulling a Nike Snowboarding on us. We're far less niche than that. Anyone can buy and wear skate shoes, but you can't say the same for snowboard boots.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
Griffin Gass?
Or maybe you're more into Alec Majerus, Benny Fairfax, Nestor Judkins, Jack Fardell and Claus Bohms? Lol. Adidas has like, 2000 people on their team. Pretty easy to find unpopular skaters on their roster too.
Just be honest man - you don't care about the culture of skateboarding, you do it because it's popular. If all your Nike and Adidas wearing friends quit to play sports, you probably would too so that you kept doing what was perceived as cool.
When I look for a skate shoe, modern and technical is not what I'm looking for. I want a classic, simple looking shoe with minimal branding. Last thing I want is some giant sports logo on literally every model. Lots of people want the same thing.
you make a decent point. however 90% of my fav skaters r on one of the big 3
im never quitting skating so fuck you. its the only thing in this shit world of school shootings, viruses, fascist presidents, etc, that brings me joy. ive paid my dues. broken bones, concussions, missing teeth. get off your high horse. i love this shit to death
and lastly, taste is subjective. alot of "corporate" shoe companies make minimalist shit too ya know.
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Can we make a list? Let me know if there are others. I just scrolled through all the skateshop instas I can find and didn't find much. So far I have seen these in this thread:
- Sixth Ave Skatepark (Nashville, TN)
- One Up (Pittsburgh, PA
- Solstice (New Bedford, MA)
- Home Skateshop (Louisville, KY)
- Urbane (Steamboat Springs, CO)
And also i will add that if it is <15 shops or whatever I think you can blame market contractions and a need to trim small accounts, and not some malicious scheme to dump core skateboarding. We are in a recession dudes.
This is coming from someone who has bought nothing except for state, lakai, and Last Resort now for 3+ years. I don't like Nike or Adidas but also I don't think everything is some kind of huge comic-book-villain strategy.
I don;t know. I don't live in any of those cities, but I've heard of all those shops except for the CO. one. They can't be doing too bad. But I have not see their books.
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im done arguing with know-it-alls.
anyone who wants some insight as to why the younger generations are fucking with "corporate" shoe companies over etnies, fallen, lakai, emerica, etc. can PM me and we can have a respectful dialogue on such topic.
they're just shoes people.
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oh and i still love you DC ;)
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All day I dream about shop accounts closing.
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Don’t ever buy athletic footwear to skate in y’all; as the mighty Lordz once told us: they don’t give a fuck about us.
Amen my (french) brother!
As for this topic, the shop i work for in france hasn't had any issue with Adidas ( yet?) they even seems to participate quite a lot in the local scene. but surely this is concerning...
i'll be glad to hear from adidas about this
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i skated in nike gts ( the ones supreme re issued not grant Taylor’s) in grade 6 with a penny hardaway USA jersey & calvin klien jeans none of which were available in my country at the time i was just such a trail blazer that’s how i ran & u plebs is making present day wrestling references smh
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I've worn blazers and ctas this past year and loved them. But I'm ready to pull my head out of my ass and make the effort to support "core" companies:
Crail will never get a dollar from me.
I love my Reynolds G6 so I would 100% try other cupsoles from Emerica.
Last Resort looks good imo. I'd like to try a pair.
I really want to love state but my pair of keys feels horrible. They don't fit well and are stiff as hell.
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Can we make a list? Let me know if there are others. I just scrolled through all the skateshop instas I can find and didn't find much. So far I have seen these in this thread:
- Sixth Ave Skatepark (Nashville, TN)
- One Up (Pittsburgh, PA
- Solstice (New Bedford, MA)
- Home Skateshop (Louisville, KY)
- Urbane (Steamboat Springs, CO)
And also i will add that if it is <15 shops or whatever I think you can blame market contractions and a need to trim small accounts, and not some malicious scheme to dump core skateboarding. We are in a recession dudes.
This is coming from someone who has bought nothing except for state, lakai, and Last Resort now for 3+ years. I don't like Nike or Adidas but also I don't think everything is some kind of huge comic-book-villain strategy.
Minus Skateshop in Carmel Indiana
Solstice and One Up have to be pretty big accounts, Idk about the other ones but this does seem like a direct to consumer ordeal to me
Yeah and is home a pretty known shop too? Or do I just assume that cause I’m in Midwest ?
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one of my buddies is one of the last three remaining riders on the Adidas Snowboarding program, they cut almost everyone . Not sure if this is related in some way.
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Nike has never cared about skaters. Even look at the current state of their skate shoes. It's virtually impossible to get a pair of Dunks without knowing someone or severely overpaying in 2020.
From a supply and demand stance, Nike actually blows it. Completely selling out of a product is not always a great thing. It can mean your prices are too low.
Consider the fact that when they release a Dunk, it immediately sells out and then hits the re-sale market at higher price. Is it just me or is it crazy to think that a consumer can turn around and make a profit on something they just bought? Shouldn’t Nike be smart enough to figure out how to make that money?
You make some good points. What I am saying is that with an implied scarcity there could be a price increase that would not affect sell through. I am not suggesting they water down their branding by having their supply meet the demand. I am saying that there must be some money left on the table.
Here’s an example from the concert industry. If an artist sells out their show in an hour, could they have charged twice as much and sold it out in 2 hours? Or charge twice as much, not sell out, but sell 75% as many tickets?
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one of my buddies is one of the last three remaining riders on the Adidas Snowboarding program, they cut almost everyone . Not sure if this is related in some way.
Right, I thought it was weird Jed got on had a video part/ Doc and then was off with both videos scrubbed from the net 6 months later.
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one of my buddies is one of the last three remaining riders on the Adidas Snowboarding program, they cut almost everyone . Not sure if this is related in some way.
I had a homie that rode for the snowboard program that i didnt even realize was cut until you said this. Hes been ripping too, had a really good part last year. Adidas is definitely just looking for the next money move and its definitely not skating or snowboarding
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Exactly. You're the type of person who wouldn't skate if it wasn't cool, i.e., a trendy jock. I can criticize these companies as much as I want. Why do you corporate guys get so worked up when people point out some of the lame aspects of these companies? Talk about getting defensive. You wrote an entire wall of barely coherent text in response to a few sentences. The only point you seem to be making is that you don't care about skateboarding culture and you prefer corporate brands because they look cooler. That's all you had to say. Instead you subjected us all to a page from your diary.
i started skating because of a mcdonalds toy. so chut up. u and i skate for the same exact reason. because we think its the coolest fucking thing in the world. get off your high horse. ill be skating til my body physically cannot handle it anymore and then some.
you arent even arguing about shoes anymore, youre just getting defensive because your realizing the points that ive made above are all valid, and u dont know how to address them.
as far as "skateboarding culture" goes. it can get fucked. yup, yall r gonna hate me for that one. skateboarding should be for anyone that wants to participate in it, not some "cool club" that only the "cool kids" get to participate in and anyone who goes against there "cool kid" rulebook is a kook. how fucking dumb is that. that to me is the "jock shit" you speak of.
alot of us found solitude in skateboarding because it got as away from all the jock shit. to me theres nothing more "jock" than screaming somebody out of the park because they dont fit the guidelines of a"core skateboarder" or accidentally got in your way. this inclusiveness is the thing i hate most about skateboarders.
Imagine thinking "that guys a kook because he's wearing (insert shoe brand here)" thats essentially the mindset you have perpetuated to me.
I'm the furthest thing from a cool guy you'll ever meet. I don't judge people for their shoes or how they skate. I do however disagree with their support of certain companies. That's the extent of it. The reasons you gave for supporting these companies is what I find distasteful, to say the least. They sound like horrible reasons. It's wild to me that we now have people in skateboarding white knighting for corporations and cops. It's like everything is upside down. I guess that was bound to happen as it went more mainstream and different kinds of people got into it. It's just weird and so antithetical to the ethos of skateboarding I'm familiar with.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CG0oN0IlJ9R/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG0oN0IlJ9R/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
For those who are still debating, the amount of skateshops commenting on the above insta post should easily guide you towards who is right and wrong in this situation
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This is the stuff about Nike and Adidas etc that I hate.
Awhile back I remember arguing in a thread that none of the companies could really claim moral superiority in terms of workers rights, as they are all full of shit and all use underpaid labor. I still maintain that's the case for all of these companies from whatever place in Asia they source from that makes shoes for dozens of other people. No one's hands are clean.
Culturally, I think Nike and Adidas can get fucked if they're doing this shit. I mean, I mostly skate vans, but I do have a pair of Blazers I like a lot, but I think those just found their way on to OfferUp or PoshMark or some shit.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
Griffin Gass?
Or maybe you're more into Alec Majerus, Benny Fairfax, Nestor Judkins, Jack Fardell and Claus Bohms? Lol. Adidas has like, 2000 people on their team. Pretty easy to find unpopular skaters on their roster too.
Just be honest man - you don't care about the culture of skateboarding, you do it because it's popular. If all your Nike and Adidas wearing friends quit to play sports, you probably would too so that you kept doing what was perceived as cool.
When I look for a skate shoe, modern and technical is not what I'm looking for. I want a classic, simple looking shoe with minimal branding. Last thing I want is some giant sports logo on literally every model. Lots of people want the same thing.
Why the hell are you hating on Benny Fairfax? And Nestor for that matter. Benny may not be ultra productive but has great style in whatever he does. Probably doesn't hurt that he's one of the early riders for a brand Adidas does a ton of collabs with.
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All day I dream about shop accounts closing.
haha
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I'm not too familiar with the financial back workings of shops, so please someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this be considered a good thing for shops who want to embrace the core ethos and don't want to carry Nike and Addidas anymore?
Now shops can open accounts with core brands without Nike or Addidas monopolizing the shelves thus catalyzing a renaissance of financial support from skaters at shops. Or does this cripple shops who rely on Nike and Addidas sales to remain profitable?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CG0oN0IlJ9R/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG0oN0IlJ9R/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
For those who are still debating, the amount of skateshops commenting on the above insta post should easily guide you towards who is right and wrong in this situation
(https://i.ibb.co/tQT2BhQ/2-felons.png)
Oof lol
This is super shitty of Adidas. This could be how the corpo brands started in reverse, when the core brands expanded to malls and they capitalized by only selling SB in shops. Now maybe these shops will lean on State/Proper/Lakai/Sole tech more.
Regardless of your stance on core vs. corp, support your local skate shop whenever you can.
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I'm not too familiar with the financial back workings of shops, so please someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this be considered a good thing for shops who want to embrace the core ethos and don't want to carry Nike and Addidas anymore?
Now shops can open accounts with core brands without Nike or Addidas monopolizing the shelves thus catalyzing a renaissance of financial support from skaters at shops. Or does this cripple shops who rely on Nike and Addidas sales to remain profitable?
It's a nice thought but would rely on kids buying different shoes from their shops, instead of just going somewhere else to get their Nikes and Adidas'. I'd imagine the latter is what would happen
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I'm not too familiar with the financial back workings of shops, so please someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this be considered a good thing for shops who want to embrace the core ethos and don't want to carry Nike and Addidas anymore?
Now shops can open accounts with core brands without Nike or Addidas monopolizing the shelves thus catalyzing a renaissance of financial support from skaters at shops. Or does this cripple shops who rely on Nike and Addidas sales to remain profitable?
Unfortunately, just because a shop shifts to all core brands does not necessarily guarantee that their demographic of customers will shift as well, and that's only one aspect of where it can get tricky for shops.
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I'm not too familiar with the financial back workings of shops, so please someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this be considered a good thing for shops who want to embrace the core ethos and don't want to carry Nike and Addidas anymore?
Now shops can open accounts with core brands without Nike or Addidas monopolizing the shelves thus catalyzing a renaissance of financial support from skaters at shops. Or does this cripple shops who rely on Nike and Addidas sales to remain profitable?
Its a double edged sword. Customers that preferred said brands for years are going to continue purchasing the product, just not at the shop. This will cause the shop to lose its 50% margin on the footwear. If you can train locals to purchase non sporting goods product you can make some of that lost revenue back. If you're scene is filled with kids that have the mindset of the kid that posted above about how much they like the sporting goods brand regardless of how it screws your local over, then the local shop is going to have a bad time.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
Griffin Gass?
Or maybe you're more into Alec Majerus, Benny Fairfax, Nestor Judkins, Jack Fardell and Claus Bohms? Lol. Adidas has like, 2000 people on their team. Pretty easy to find unpopular skaters on their roster too.
Just be honest man - you don't care about the culture of skateboarding, you do it because it's popular. If all your Nike and Adidas wearing friends quit to play sports, you probably would too so that you kept doing what was perceived as cool.
When I look for a skate shoe, modern and technical is not what I'm looking for. I want a classic, simple looking shoe with minimal branding. Last thing I want is some giant sports logo on literally every model. Lots of people want the same thing.
I'm not trying to hate on those skaters, I'm just pointing out that Adidas isn't excluded from having team members who are either unpopular or unproductive. It was the other poster who expressed that Lakai's team is "fucking wack". I purposely didn't insult the skaters I mentioned.
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Most of the legacy core shoe brands are tired and should either be scrapped or hire someone who isn’t suck in 2008 to do their designs
fr seriously. i want all these "core shoe guys", to go to lakais website and tell me with with a straight face they think their designs are modern and updated with the times. you wouldnt catch me dead in anything they make but the carrols. not to mention their team is fucking wack.
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/owen-vlk-nico-cream-leather-ms4200232a03
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/atlantic-jade-black-suede-ms3200082b00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/all/products/riley-2-vs-honey-suede-ms2200092a00
https://www.lakai.com/collections/shoes/products/evo-millard-multi-print-canvas-ms2200250b03
im not wearing anything endorsed by Nico Hiraga, Riley Hawk, or Stevie Perez.
pacheco, bannerot, and yonnie r cool tho.
Griffin Gass?
Or maybe you're more into Alec Majerus, Benny Fairfax, Nestor Judkins, Jack Fardell and Claus Bohms? Lol. Adidas has like, 2000 people on their team. Pretty easy to find unpopular skaters on their roster too.
Just be honest man - you don't care about the culture of skateboarding, you do it because it's popular. If all your Nike and Adidas wearing friends quit to play sports, you probably would too so that you kept doing what was perceived as cool.
When I look for a skate shoe, modern and technical is not what I'm looking for. I want a classic, simple looking shoe with minimal branding. Last thing I want is some giant sports logo on literally every model. Lots of people want the same thing.
I'm not trying to hate on those skaters, I'm just pointing out that Adidas isn't excluded from having team members who are either unpopular or unproductive. It was the other poster who expressed that Lakai's team is "fucking wack". I purposely didn't insult the skaters I mentioned.
I wouldn't call Benny Fairfax unpopular though. Combined with his skating, his association with Palace gives him visibility.
I don't think Lakai's team is wack though. Although, I will say they have fallen steeply over the years being unable to retain guys who are quite relevant now, and seemed at a loss at how to capitalize on certain riders. I think they did like one PWBC collab with Danny Brady, compared to Adidas who went all out on that.
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Good, support skate companies, order lakai and emerica, maybe give them more money so they can make better products like the ones we’ve been asking for!
this, as much as i understand people wanting to keep up on the newest hype shit any excuse to support skater owned shit should be taken without complaint
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Good, support skate companies, order lakai and emerica, maybe give them more money so they can make better products like the ones we’ve been asking for!
this, as much as i understand people wanting to keep up on the newest hype shit any excuse to support skater owned shit should be taken without complaint
It really shouldn't be on the consumer's role in commerce to buy a product with the hope that this company can make a better product next time you buy it. That is the role of investors.
What industry do you buy something of inferior quality, in hopes the company can improve the product the next time? That is an ass backwards approach to consumerism.
You don't pay for something like Netflix or Spotify, so that they can improve what they offer. You either like what they have or don't, and if you do, the revenue generated from you as a consumer will allow them to produce more content. But, the idea of supporting a company you think makes inferior goods, in the hope they will use that profit to make better products seems ridiculous to me and basically against most ideas in a capitalist market.
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Nike has never cared about skaters. Even look at the current state of their skate shoes. It's virtually impossible to get a pair of Dunks without knowing someone or severely overpaying in 2020.
From a supply and demand stance, Nike actually blows it. Completely selling out of a product is not always a great thing. It can mean your prices are too low.
Consider the fact that when they release a Dunk, it immediately sells out and then hits the re-sale market at higher price. Is it just me or is it crazy to think that a consumer can turn around and make a profit on something they just bought? Shouldn’t Nike be smart enough to figure out how to make that money?
You make some good points. What I am saying is that with an implied scarcity there could be a price increase that would not affect sell through. I am not suggesting they water down their branding by having their supply meet the demand. I am saying that there must be some money left on the table.
Here’s an example from the concert industry. If an artist sells out their show in an hour, could they have charged twice as much and sold it out in 2 hours? Or charge twice as much, not sell out, but sell 75% as many tickets?
i missed your point about the pricing, you are correct there. i think they probably did a cost benefit analysis and discovered that price point is the amount people will pay for the implied scarcity. anything beyond will probably get them the first sale, but maybe scare off the second or third.
we’ll use your concert industry example. unless you’re the stones or something at that upper echelon, sell out is the name of the game. one of the venues in my city has a moveable stage strictly to accommodate that ideal. doubling the price for 75% of ticket sales is good for a quick buck, but it doesn’t broadcast to other venues, booking companies, etc. that you’re a guaranteed sell. i know bands that play venues hundreds of people too small just so they can have back to back sell outs and jump to the bigger venue. it comes with a small price increase, but it’s mostly about the long play. “i can’t believe i’m seeing (x band) in such a small room” becomes “it’s so good to see them playing to this many people, i remember when they played (small venue).” keeps people on the hook longer
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
This was always such a bullshit take. Advertising is what makes you think that. Either that or you're someone who works for one of these companies.
I agree if you’ve ever skated Vans you know that shit isn’t stronger than any other shoe. I’ve skated a few corpo shoes not one stands as as more durable than a core shoe. Cons uncomfortable got beat vans mediocre and her destroyed fast. 440 was the best (still back the 440) but sole/tread died before the upper. Not saying these things don’t happen with core company’s but it’s 2020 they all last about the same. You just wanna look like your homies and you bought into the marketing. Own it.
sure ill own it.
like i said in my earlier post, i think most "core" shoe companies products look stupid. sue me, i like what i like. Most of my generation will tell you the same. in MY experience they didnt perform nearly as well either. not saying all "core" shoes suck, thats just my experience with the products.
ill say it again, the reason Gen Z/Millenial skater fuck with "corporate" shoes is because we think they look better, and we like to dress like the skaters we think are rad. just as you did back in your day. fads/style changes, most "core" companies havent excepted that change yet and are still living in the past
i totally understand the hate for "corporate" shoe companies, but i think a lot of it is just fucking pointless and comes from a stupid place.
these companies arent going anywhere anytime soon. skating is growing and will most likely continue to grow for the foreseeable future.
plus nike and adidas have made a ton of iconic shoes sometimes that’s a reason ppl like things
Louis Vuitton and Starbucks have made really iconic stuff. If they got into the skate game I'd buy all their shit because I'm a trendy jock.
hey man, its ur money not mine. if u wanna look like a trendy jock, you should be completely free to do so. thats why skating is so dope. YOU GET TO PICK UR STYLE. the idea that a skater has to dress a certain way is so fucking out dated. IMO thats the " trendy jock" shit you speak of. Since when does skating have a fucking uniform? let people wear whatever they want. if Lucien wants to skate Louis V, let him. if Chris Cole wants to wear fallen, let him. you dont have to watch these peoples footage if you dont like it, and you certainly dont have to buy there products.
let the youth wear what they want and be happy for them. at the end of the day its their money not yours. not to mention companies like nike/adi/vans pay there riders amazing salaries. how can you be mad at that. oh no! a company that is paying skaters reasonably and allowing them to live comfortably !!!
also, when will the boomer skaters understand theres a generation gap, and drop the saltiness
like i said earlier. we grew up with skating being mainstream/cool. no one ever bullied us for skating or told us we were fags. if anything its the exact opposite, the skaters r probably the cool kids in school now. this is why companies like nike/adi/vans have come into skating. people r starting to realize just how fucking sweet skating is, and they want a piece of it. whether or not they "care" about skating is subjective. i understand that. but at the end of the day you know what every companies goal is? MONEY. core or not.
im not saying thats a good or bad thing, im just telling you the reality of it, and what my experience has been growing up post 2000
we also grew up with the internet, which allows us to watch whatever we want, whenever we want. and guess which companies have a a larger internet presence? nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
of course mindsets are going to change. the world is a lot different than it was 20+ years ago. we grew up in this shit
idk why this is such a hard concept for people to understand.
if you like wearing "core" skate shoes, good for you ! im happy you've found a product that makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. thats not always easy to do. likewise tho, dont shit on people who wear "corporate" skate shoes. they have there reasons just like you have yours.
im going to continue to wear adidas shoes, as i like to support there skate team which i think consists of great skaters. they also make a product which in my experience has been unparalleled to any other shoe company.
im sure your reason for wearing Lakai/éS/fallen, or whatever the fuck is exactly the same as my reason for wearing adidas.
Exactly. You're the type of person who wouldn't skate if it wasn't cool, i.e., a trendy jock. I can criticize these companies as much as I want. Why do you corporate guys get so worked up when people point out some of the lame aspects of these companies? Talk about getting defensive. You wrote an entire wall of barely coherent text in response to a few sentences. The only point you seem to be making is that you don't care about skateboarding culture and you prefer corporate brands because they look cooler. That's all you had to say. Instead you subjected us all to a page from your diary.
i started skating because of a mcdonalds toy. so chut up. u and i skate for the same exact reason. because we think its the coolest fucking thing in the world. get off your high horse. ill be skating til my body physically cannot handle it anymore and then some.
you arent even arguing about shoes anymore, youre just getting defensive because your realizing the points that ive made above are all valid, and u dont know how to address them.
as far as "skateboarding culture" goes. it can get fucked. yup, yall r gonna hate me for that one. skateboarding should be for anyone that wants to participate in it, not some "cool club" that only the "cool kids" get to participate in and anyone who goes against there "cool kid" rulebook is a kook. how fucking dumb is that. that to me is the "jock shit" you speak of.
alot of us found solitude in skateboarding because it got as away from all the jock shit. to me theres nothing more "jock" than screaming somebody out of the park because they dont fit the guidelines of a"core skateboarder" or accidentally got in your way. this inclusiveness is the thing i hate most about skateboarders.
Imagine thinking "that guys a kook because he's wearing (insert shoe brand here)" thats essentially the mindset you have perpetuated to me.
All of this reminds me why I hate remembering I was 20.
Life will humble you and curb your ego. But let me be the one to say it first.
You don't have everything figured out like you think you do.
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When I was an impressionable kid, the guys in my local 'core' shop outright told me how much better quality the Janoski's and Bruins were over the emericas/etnies/lakais I was looking at. "emericas rip like soggy cardboard etc."
I bought the Janoski's and they loved it. Now I clearly see how they were trying to upsell and get me to spend my birthday money on higher price point shoes. Well, it worked, so who's fault is it I haven't bought emericas since?
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Ive been running Adidas and Nike for a few years, but I always had a problem with the outside heel wearing away to the insole cavity before any other part of the shoe (which sux when ur walking in the wet). Then I spotted a pair of Emerica reynolds 2's in a bargain bin and grabbed em for nostalgia. They lasted so much longer and the heel held up great, wore evenly with the flat up front for the first time in as long as I can remember. Im no shoe guru but it makes me wonder if the big 3 design shoes to fault quickly / with fast wearing materials to sell more.
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A shop owner told me he wont fuck with Nike because they make you sell crappy shoes when you place an order.
If you want a run of Dunks, Nike will send the shop pairs of Janoski, Blazer, Nyjahs, etc. So to sell one model, you're forced to sell 5 others which decreases space on the wall and stockroom and pushes out core brands like Lakai and eS.
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I know that One Up in Pittsburgh was just notified that their Adidas account was pulled, it pisses me off. Also, they tried getting Nike SB in there a little while back and were denied.
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I don’t care if all of these companies go under. I used to rock Ellesse like Natas and can go back to that shit any day. That said, buy State shoes.
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Is Chris Roberts on Adidas
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Lots of solid points. I've lived in several large cities over the years, and out of all of them, only one shop (35th North) ever felt inviting. Cal's Pharmacy, DLX shop, and others have always been headed by egotistical, clichish chaps. To say that they deserve people's hard-earned bread-n-butter despite their own selfish tendencies is the opposite of what skateboarding claims to be.
This is parenthetical to the main discussion here, but if your DLX experience was in the past 19 years then I offer my sincerest apologies; that is the opposite of what I’ve strove for with the place. I’m as far from a “cool guy” as it gets.
Definitely a fan of 35th as well; Tony rules.
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Lots of solid points. I've lived in several large cities over the years, and out of all of them, only one shop (35th North) ever felt inviting. Cal's Pharmacy, DLX shop, and others have always been headed by egotistical, clichish chaps. To say that they deserve people's hard-earned bread-n-butter despite their own selfish tendencies is the opposite of what skateboarding claims to be.
This is parenthetical to the main discussion here, but if your DLX experience was in the past 19 years then I offer my sincerest apologies; that is the opposite of what I’ve strove for with the place. I’m as far from a “cool guy” as it gets.
Definitely a fan of 35th as well; Tony rules.
The DLX shop is gold in my book; they even treat my toddler with the same respect accorded any other local.
They can have my skate dollars.
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So i think we will at some point in the future, see a known Pro from the the major corpo brand back to core brand.
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Lots of solid points. I've lived in several large cities over the years, and out of all of them, only one shop (35th North) ever felt inviting. Cal's Pharmacy, DLX shop, and others have always been headed by egotistical, clichish chaps. To say that they deserve people's hard-earned bread-n-butter despite their own selfish tendencies is the opposite of what skateboarding claims to be.
This is parenthetical to the main discussion here, but if your DLX experience was in the past 19 years then I offer my sincerest apologies; that is the opposite of what I’ve strove for with the place. I’m as far from a “cool guy” as it gets.
Definitely a fan of 35th as well; Tony rules.
They can have my skate dollars.
Nicest shop I've ever been to
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When I was an impressionable kid, the guys in my local 'core' shop outright told me how much better quality the Janoski's and Bruins were over the emericas/etnies/lakais I was looking at. "emericas rip like soggy cardboard etc."
I bought the Janoski's and they loved it. Now I clearly see how they were trying to upsell and get me to spend my birthday money on higher price point shoes. Well, it worked, so who's fault is it I haven't bought emericas since?
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Not gonna shed a single tear for any shop who supported Nike or Adidas. That's what you get for jumping on the jock train.
How CORE of you. Many smaller regional shops would have likely lost tons of money on softgoods/ footwear if they had only stocked soletech, podium and smaller brands for much of the 2010's. No shop moving <500+ boards a month is making much profit on hard goods. Not compromising sometimes backfires, ask all the green party voters from 2016.
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Lots of solid points. I've lived in several large cities over the years, and out of all of them, only one shop (35th North) ever felt inviting. Cal's Pharmacy, DLX shop, and others have always been headed by egotistical, clichish chaps. To say that they deserve people's hard-earned bread-n-butter despite their own selfish tendencies is the opposite of what skateboarding claims to be.
This is parenthetical to the main discussion here, but if your DLX experience was in the past 19 years then I offer my sincerest apologies; that is the opposite of what I’ve strove for with the place. I’m as far from a “cool guy” as it gets.
Definitely a fan of 35th as well; Tony rules.
Matt is One of the nicest guys in skating
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I'll say this... Nathaniel is a Caucasian,registered Republican,Christian. :o These companies frown upon this combination.
Poor baby on top of the food chain. The most victimised of all.
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I'll say this... Nathaniel is a Caucasian,registered Republican,Christian. :o These companies frown upon this combination.
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
Shops will always find something to cry about
As opposed to people who post here? I don't think it's the shops complaining.....it's just people who want to talk shit....it's fun man...I get it...
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If skating was kept “core” we would still be calling each other faggots and stealing other kids boards if they couldn’t Ollie.
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
Shops will always find something to cry about
I don’t think it’s really fair to say they are crying. Imagine having a stable business relationship for 5-12 years and paying bills then waking up to it being severed with no explanation. Shops are just worried about revenue streams. Hard goods are up now, but if this boom slows down, some of these shops relied on Adidas to bring in certain customers that will just go online now. Shops have it tough as it is already especially with the Pandemic. I’ve already seen a new wave close. I just think there should be more to help keep the doors open for them since the right shops put in the work to get new people into skating and provide the best products/service to people who have been skating a long time. For the culture.
Also shout out to Matt at Deluxe. Always a good experience in SF when I went. No cool guy vibe there.
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Here's the back of me shopping at DLX in 2011. Dunno if you can tell but I was on a shopping spree
(https://i.ibb.co/Y2cH5yM/dlx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WnkmrPw)
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I'm not too familiar with the financial back workings of shops, so please someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this be considered a good thing for shops who want to embrace the core ethos and don't want to carry Nike and Addidas anymore?
Now shops can open accounts with core brands without Nike or Addidas monopolizing the shelves thus catalyzing a renaissance of financial support from skaters at shops. Or does this cripple shops who rely on Nike and Addidas sales to remain profitable?
what good does that do them if its nike and adidas that people are buying? majority of people aren't going to just start wearing emericas because embark stopped carrying nike or adidas. they are just going to get them online or whatever, leaving the shop with less customers.
i am friends with one of nike's 'top riders' or whatever you'd call it and i've seen how much his life has changed from when he rode (and had few shoes out) on a core brand, so I can understand why someone would ride for one of these big companies and i support that decision. i however don't support the big companies and only skate core brands. it isn't going to make a difference to the person riding for nike or adidas whether i am buying those shoes or not, but it will make a difference to someone like dakota servold if i buy emericas or not.
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Nike sb dropped my local shop years ago. They do carry a lot of adidas. They seemed like the lesser of two evils.
Meanwhile in the midst of the Covid outbreak the NB# made a home visit to look over the catalogue and put in an order.
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I'm not too familiar with the financial back workings of shops, so please someone correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't this be considered a good thing for shops who want to embrace the core ethos and don't want to carry Nike and Addidas anymore?
Now shops can open accounts with core brands without Nike or Addidas monopolizing the shelves thus catalyzing a renaissance of financial support from skaters at shops. Or does this cripple shops who rely on Nike and Addidas sales to remain profitable?
what good does that do them if its nike and adidas that people are buying? majority of people aren't going to just start wearing emericas because embark stopped carrying nike or adidas. they are just going to get them online or whatever, leaving the shop with less customers.
i am friends with one of nike's 'top riders' or whatever you'd call it and i've seen how much his life has changed from when he rode (and had few shoes out) on a core brand, so I can understand why someone would ride for one of these big companies and i support that decision. i however don't support the big companies and only skate core brands. it isn't going to make a difference to the person riding for nike or adidas whether i am buying those shoes or not, but it will make a difference to someone like dakota servold if i buy emericas or not.
I assume you mean Bobby?
Yeah I personally agree there’s never any ill will towards pros that can get a good deal and make the money while they can. Just playing devils advocate that if a company as large as Adidas was to significantly cut its am/flow team it would leave a lot of skateboarders out to dry the same as what core companies did when the boom of the 2000’s dried up and they couldn’t afford the salary’s of team riders due to less revenue coming into the brand (when eS cut their whole pro team and went under).
I think it’s important to start throwing some consumer purchasing power here and there to some smaller brands so they can grow and expand on what they have. I don’t believe that non-sporting goods skate shoe brands aren’t working towards better deals for their riders or better quality footwear. It does kinda limit you when 3-5 brands take up 75% of consumers revenue streams in skateboarding.
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Lots of solid points. I've lived in several large cities over the years, and out of all of them, only one shop (35th North) ever felt inviting. Cal's Pharmacy, DLX shop, and others have always been headed by egotistical, clichish chaps. To say that they deserve people's hard-earned bread-n-butter despite their own selfish tendencies is the opposite of what skateboarding claims to be.
This is parenthetical to the main discussion here, but if your DLX experience was in the past 19 years then I offer my sincerest apologies; that is the opposite of what I’ve strove for with the place. I’m as far from a “cool guy” as it gets.
Definitely a fan of 35th as well; Tony rules.
Matt is One of the nicest guys in skating
I sent Matt a PM but since I publicly denounced his shop I wanted to publicly redact my statement. My mindless shit-posting was completely uncalled for on this one. The only actually 'bad' experience I fully remember at DLX is when I dropped off a couple used skates and the guy (kiddo to me now) behind the counter said "great, how are we supposed to sell any boards now?". It had nothing to do with the owner and I feel incredibly disingenuous blanketing the shop under that random NOT EVEN BAD encounter.
DLX would let me stand on every single board until I found the right one; they are a great shop, and deserve support.
I never had a good time at the other shop I name-dropped, but who gives a fuck, right? I'm sure it was the highlight of some other person's youth to check it out.
Honestly feeling pretty bummed about this.
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When I was an impressionable kid, the guys in my local 'core' shop outright told me how much better quality the Janoski's and Bruins were over the emericas/etnies/lakais I was looking at. "emericas rip like soggy cardboard etc."
I bought the Janoski's and they loved it. Now I clearly see how they were trying to upsell and get me to spend my birthday money on higher price point shoes. Well, it worked, so who's fault is it I haven't bought emericas since?
perhaps yours for not trying other shoes and making that decision for yourself? I dunno, its different when you're a kid
it kinda sounds similar to the "independents are the best trucks" dude that has never ridden any other truck in his life
I always remember sb's were fairly pricey, and i only ever got sale shoes from the local shop growing up, and any time i spotted an Emerica, Lakai, or eS shoebox in the sale section, i'd immediately gravitate towards those versus whatever other SB's or other shoes were in that sale section.
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Here's the back of me shopping at DLX in 2011. Dunno if you can tell but I was on a shopping spree
(https://i.ibb.co/Y2cH5yM/dlx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WnkmrPw)
You kinda look like Dylan from behind
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Hey, I like Stan smiths I buy them at foot locker and you can ride your skateboard with them, as well as the ones from the skateboard store. These fuckers ate us up and spit us out just like I said they would. Fuck I’m so angry. Lol at the guy fighting with the 20 year old calling him a trendy jock who thinks he knows it all. You were a way worse example of that then he was.
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If anyone here thinks any company/corporation (and they are ALL corporations) have "your back", they don't. Skateboarding and skateboarders are a market, they consume and thats why any company, big or small is selling their shit to you, TO MAKE MONEY. Nobody is in the game to "support" you or your scene. Sure they do demos, they do signings, hell they might even throw a fancy contest in your area and leave you a park (or just tear it down and leave). The reality is, companies don't owe you or skateboarding anything (except maybe to make decent shoes that don't wreck your feet). YOU need to make your scene, you need to support your local shop. Just because a company pulls out of shops doesn't mean they don't support skaters or skateboarding, it's that they've found a better way to do business, and that's business in itself. If your local shop is going to go out of business because their entire being rested on selling SB/ADI/Cons/NB then your local shop is bad at business. The take away is this, YOU are a consumer, you have the power because you have what companies want, money. Spend your money where you feel it's right. Spend it on the brand who makes your feet feel good. Spend it on the brand doing good things locally and socially. Spend it on the brand who hooks your homie up or is owned by your friends. Skateboarding is the best thing in the world, but it doesn't owe you shit and the companies in skateboarding don't owe you shit either....
Strawman the Post. No one reasonable thinks skate companies owe skaters anything. But non skater-owned companies should not have an outsize influence on skateboarding, because they will inevitably corrupt it with corporate practices and jock mentality.
Hey, I like Stan smiths I buy them at foot locker and you can ride your skateboard with them, as well as the ones from the skateboard store. These fuckers ate us up and spit us out just like I said they would. Fuck I’m so angry. Lol at the guy fighting with the 20 year old calling him a trendy jock who thinks he knows it all. You were a way worse example of that then he was.
I never called him a know-it-all or mentioned his age. I don't think he brought up his exact age at any point. You're mixing posters up.
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If anyone here thinks any company/corporation (and they are ALL corporations) have "your back", they don't. Skateboarding and skateboarders are a market, they consume and thats why any company, big or small is selling their shit to you, TO MAKE MONEY. Nobody is in the game to "support" you or your scene. Sure they do demos, they do signings, hell they might even throw a fancy contest in your area and leave you a park (or just tear it down and leave). The reality is, companies don't owe you or skateboarding anything (except maybe to make decent shoes that don't wreck your feet). YOU need to make your scene, you need to support your local shop. Just because a company pulls out of shops doesn't mean they don't support skaters or skateboarding, it's that they've found a better way to do business, and that's business in itself. If your local shop is going to go out of business because their entire being rested on selling SB/ADI/Cons/NB then your local shop is bad at business. The take away is this, YOU are a consumer, you have the power because you have what companies want, money. Spend your money where you feel it's right. Spend it on the brand who makes your feet feel good. Spend it on the brand doing good things locally and socially. Spend it on the brand who hooks your homie up or is owned by your friends. Skateboarding is the best thing in the world, but it doesn't owe you shit and the companies in skateboarding don't owe you shit either....
Dude your actually an idiot.
To compare ScumCo and Sons to Nike is a joke.
I think your whole argument of "YOU are a consumer, you have the power because you have what companies want, money." Is completely foolish and asinine. You seem to forget that big corporations have tons of money to throw at advertising and will use their weight...to push shops into selling product they don't want to sell.
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oh well, i will still be able to buy used shelltoes for ten bucks online. you guys are lucky that you even have skateshops, i can only get magenta boards in my town and nothing else as far as hardware goes. there are some headshops that carry shit like 15 year old shorty boards and 7.5 rasta krux trucks but other than that there's nothing, same goes for shoes. i'll skate any kicks that look alright and are cheap, because of that i had a shit ton of core shoes and many many more pairs of corpo shoes, the qc is usually better with big brands and they tend to last longer but some of the core skate shoes i owned were also pretty good. i tend to skate the corpo shoes more because they are easier to get but if i could buy es or lakais for cheap i would. i still see people in lakais, dcs, etnies and shit like that but the only reason for that is that some people here don't care about what's cool and trendy and they just skate whatever, i mean i see zero boards everyday.
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Here's the back of me shopping at DLX in 2011. Dunno if you can tell but I was on a shopping spree
(https://i.ibb.co/Y2cH5yM/dlx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WnkmrPw)
You should see my very Dylanesque kickflips
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Things I learned on slap...trash party was cool when he picks up trash at the skatepark, steals trash cans, and laughs at cops.
Things I also learned on slap...trash party isn’t as cool as we all thought. Defending the honor of corporations, speaking for a whole generation, and then admitting he’s a trendy look
Knowing is half the battle
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
shoes are how shops make ends meet, hardgoods dont have good margins. especially when shops have success with brands that sell well, then get told to kick rocks of course people will bring it up.
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Lots of solid points. I've lived in several large cities over the years, and out of all of them, only one shop (35th North) ever felt inviting. Cal's Pharmacy, DLX shop, and others have always been headed by egotistical, clichish chaps. To say that they deserve people's hard-earned bread-n-butter despite their own selfish tendencies is the opposite of what skateboarding claims to be.
This is parenthetical to the main discussion here, but if your DLX experience was in the past 19 years then I offer my sincerest apologies; that is the opposite of what I’ve strove for with the place. I’m as far from a “cool guy” as it gets.
Definitely a fan of 35th as well; Tony rules.
They can have my skate dollars.
Same, DLX guys have always been cool to me?
Pre pandemic they were super helpful and friendly guys, always hooked it up for me and mine.
Probably just caught someone on a bad day.
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If you aren’t just generally nicer to toddlers then your a real piece of shit
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Regarding OMSK's post about all companies not having your back and not owing anyone shit, I get what you're saying but that doesn't mean it's 100% accurate. Now I can't speak for any other brand outside of Emerica or the other Sole Tech brands but Sole Tech is ran and operated by skaters. Not everyone cares about that anymore which is totally okay but I was lucky enough to have 2 local shops growing up where they were both places any skater could feel welcomed at to just hangout be a total skate rat. Skate shops mean a lot to me and are the foundation of the skate industry in my opinion and as a skate company we do what we can to give back to the shops because we do give a shit regardless if we "owe" anyone anything or not. Sure, we don't have the same resources as the corporate brands but we still do what we can by sending gear to shops when they've been looted or had some sort of disaster to get back on their feet or help sponsor local contests/events and don't make shops order any sort of minimums or force them into ordering certain models. Working with shops is an equal partnership and always will be on our end. Even though we need to make money to stay afloat and keep doing cool things, we're in it to give back to the skate community whether it's putting out solid videos, adding new riders, doing tours to skate and hangout with local scenes, etc.
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That photo of DLX looks like it was shot yesterday. I don't think much has changed since then but I haven't been inside for a while.
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Here's the back of me shopping at DLX in 2011. Dunno if you can tell but I was on a shopping spree
(https://i.ibb.co/Y2cH5yM/dlx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WnkmrPw)
"holler if you need anything"
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can’t believe in 7 pages no one has considered that people outside of skateboarding occasionally purchase things from skate shops and the likelihood of an “outsider” sale is boosted by having adidas, a type of shoe regular people wear
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My least favourite thing about slap is how fucking brown noisy the place gets when an industry head pops up.
It's fucking painful.
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That photo of DLX looks like it was shot yesterday. I don't think much has changed since then but I haven't been inside for a while.
My wife took a pic of me in there because she said I looked like a kid in a toys store for the first time (I was 35 here lol). If memory serves correctly, I bought a 7.81 anti hero eagle, Krooked shirt. Spitfire shirt, ah shirt, ah hoodie, dlx shirt, dlx hoodie, ah hat, some mags, Real DVD and some mags for the plane ride.
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If you aren’t just generally nicer to toddlers then your a real piece of shit
You've obviously never met my toddler; li'l dude can be a real jerk! ;)
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That photo of DLX looks like it was shot yesterday. I don't think much has changed since then but I haven't been inside for a while.
My wife took a pic of me in there because she said I looked like a kid in a toys store for the first time (I was 35 here lol). If memory serves correctly, I bought a 7.81 anti hero eagle, Krooked shirt. Spitfire shirt, ah shirt, ah hoodie, dlx shirt, dlx hoodie, ah hat, some mags, Real DVD and some mags for the plane ride.
Were the mags for the plane ride different than the aforementioned mags?
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I've heard it is hard as fuck to get a Vans account.
That's what I've heard as well. However, I know a shop in Orlando that has some serious "street cred" (we still use that term?) in the industry and was able to strong arm Vans into giving them an account despite a long-time account existing 2 miles away. Funny enough, they were able to set most of the terms of the account as well so they only carry the shoes they like and never have to deal with any trash shoes or minimums.
I don't like Vans, but I respect that they worked out a specific deal with a good shop that does a ton to support the local scene/culture.
They also refused to carry Nike...I wonder if they lost their adidas account?
Catalyst?
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That photo of DLX looks like it was shot yesterday. I don't think much has changed since then but I haven't been inside for a while.
My wife took a pic of me in there because she said I looked like a kid in a toys store for the first time (I was 35 here lol). If memory serves correctly, I bought a 7.81 anti hero eagle, Krooked shirt. Spitfire shirt, ah shirt, ah hoodie, dlx shirt, dlx hoodie, ah hat, some mags, Real DVD and some mags for the plane ride.
Ha woops. Also he told me that Julien and Andy were in there the day before
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1st, fuck adidas and corpo shoes... Vans are alright I guess.
2nd, the kid working at DLX about 6 months ago, won't dime him out, but my buddy asked about wheelbase like the old kook he is and the kid said "That shit doesn't matter, it's all the same." LOL.
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When I was an impressionable kid, the guys in my local 'core' shop outright told me how much better quality the Janoski's and Bruins were over the emericas/etnies/lakais I was looking at. "emericas rip like soggy cardboard etc."
I bought the Janoski's and they loved it. Now I clearly see how they were trying to upsell and get me to spend my birthday money on higher price point shoes. Well, it worked, so who's fault is it I haven't bought emericas since?
perhaps yours for not trying other shoes and making that decision for yourself? I dunno, its different when you're a kid
it kinda sounds similar to the "independents are the best trucks" dude that has never ridden any other truck in his life
I always remember sb's were fairly pricey, and I only ever got sale shoes from the local shop growing up, and any time i spotted an Emerica, Lakai, or eS shoebox in the sale section, i'd immediately gravitate towards those versus whatever other SB's or other shoes were in that sale section.
I mean sure, the buck stops with me in what I spend my money on. However as a kid those words said about emerica, coming from older shop owner/employee, always haunted our group of 12yo skate rats anyway.
The point I was trying to get across is that it's ridiculous for people in this thread to have a go at what shoes younger people wear when surely it's the 'industry gate keepers' at the time who let everything crumble. For kids today it's not even a valid argument.
I'm in my mid 20s now and quite frankly although i'm huge fans of theirs, I couldn't care less if Rick & Mike are no longer making huge bucks slanging inferior shoes to skaters, I feel no real connection to the brand as a UK skater. Same with emerica, I couldn't name one UK skater emerica picked up in years. Throughout my years skating Nike + Adidas + Vans have done more for UK skating than any other company by twofold - I'm aware that's due to crazy budgets but unfortunately that's where the youth's connection with these brands stems from: skateparks, comps, videos, events. Seeing a socal emerica-figgy-looking skater dude in the uk would almost be comical. By the time I was old enough to fully understand the whole 'don't buy corpo brands' argument skateshops were already experiencing Nike forcing masses of 'dead' shoe models on them and they were trying to hard sell them again asap. It's all just extremely messy, or extremely calculated from wherever you look at it.
Could just be a purely uk thing, I know nearly everyone by me doesn't even think twice about it anymore.
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Here's the back of me shopping at DLX in 2011. Dunno if you can tell but I was on a shopping spree
(https://i.ibb.co/Y2cH5yM/dlx.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WnkmrPw)
"holler if you need anything"
“Have fun on that thing” 😬
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1st, fuck adidas and corpo shoes... Vans are alright I guess.
2nd, the kid working at DLX about 6 months ago, won't dime him out, but my buddy asked about wheelbase like the old kook he is and the kid said "That shit doesn't matter, it's all the same." LOL.
I’ll be sure to administer swift punishment ;)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CG8QjUPlxzR/?igshid=6ys6io86bk9b
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
The two most successful shops here (Vancouver) have done just fine with no NIKE, Coverse or Adidas.... There's other ways to make money......
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I've heard it is hard as fuck to get a Vans account.
That's what I've heard as well. However, I know a shop in Orlando that has some serious "street cred" (we still use that term?) in the industry and was able to strong arm Vans into giving them an account despite a long-time account existing 2 miles away. Funny enough, they were able to set most of the terms of the account as well so they only carry the shoes they like and never have to deal with any trash shoes or minimums.
I don't like Vans, but I respect that they worked out a specific deal with a good shop that does a ton to support the local scene/culture.
They also refused to carry Nike...I wonder if they lost their adidas account?
Catalyst?
I don’t think so...
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I'm taking a break from the stripes and the swoosh for a bit. Couple weeks ago I wrote something about why it might feel nicer to support the smaller shoe brands considering the current state of the world...
https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dccf8a8-b324-45da-b331-87f2e2dac398_2100x1500.png)
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I'm taking a break from the stripes and the swoosh for a bit. Couple weeks ago I wrote something about why it might feel nicer to support the smaller shoe brands considering the current state of the world...
https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dccf8a8-b324-45da-b331-87f2e2dac398_2100x1500.png)
I really wish they'd make the Last Resort shoes in a 13, my buddy got a pair and they look so nice.
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
boards are now $100 in canada, wheels around $65? somebody up here is making some cash off of hardgoods now.
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
The two most successful shops here (Vancouver) have done just fine with no NIKE, Coverse or Adidas.... There's other ways to make money......
Ya just sell vans and have one of your co-owners be rick Mccrank.
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Hardgood sales are completely bananas and there's a six page thread crying about shoes......
boards are now $100 in canada, wheels around $65? somebody up here is making some cash off of hardgoods now.
That's cause wholesale went up. Decks used to hover in the mid $40 dollar to mid $50 dollar range for wholesale from distros, but now most have crept up close to $60 with some being even more than that. Add tax and shipping (not even bringing overhead like paying employees and rent into the picture) and you're looking at $60 - $70 cost to the shop. Most shops include grip too so there's another $3 or $4 bucks per deck. That doesn't leave much of a margin. The price increase came from the actual brands raising their prices, so the distributors raised theirs.
It would be sick if it worked for shops to buy directly from brands but the whole point of distribution is shops don't have to worry about customs for every product they buy and you can get a lot of things in one place. Unfortunately, being in Canada, it drives up the price of things even more.
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I'm taking a break from the stripes and the swoosh for a bit. Couple weeks ago I wrote something about why it might feel nicer to support the smaller shoe brands considering the current state of the world...
https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dccf8a8-b324-45da-b331-87f2e2dac398_2100x1500.png)
Racists adopting NB as their shoes is not the same thing as “new balance having ties to the white supremacy movement.” Come on man.
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I'm taking a break from the stripes and the swoosh for a bit. Couple weeks ago I wrote something about why it might feel nicer to support the smaller shoe brands considering the current state of the world...
https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dccf8a8-b324-45da-b331-87f2e2dac398_2100x1500.png)
You wrote this dribble?? Quit. Do something else bro, this was the worst fluffy, pointless dribble I’ve ever read
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I'm taking a break from the stripes and the swoosh for a bit. Couple weeks ago I wrote something about why it might feel nicer to support the smaller shoe brands considering the current state of the world...
https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dccf8a8-b324-45da-b331-87f2e2dac398_2100x1500.png)
The head of New Balance pumped almost $400,000 into Trump’s campaign, as well.
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1st, fuck adidas and corpo shoes... Vans are alright I guess.
2nd, the kid working at DLX about 6 months ago, won't dime him out, but my buddy asked about wheelbase like the old kook he is and the kid said "That shit doesn't matter, it's all the same." LOL.
The kid at DLX had a point there. I've been skating for like 15 years and not once have I thought about wheel base until this year.
Paul Schmitt came on the Nine Club and now wheelbase apparently matters....guess what?
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1st, fuck adidas and corpo shoes... Vans are alright I guess.
2nd, the kid working at DLX about 6 months ago, won't dime him out, but my buddy asked about wheelbase like the old kook he is and the kid said "That shit doesn't matter, it's all the same." LOL.
The kid at DLX had a point there. I've been skating for like 15 years and not once have I thought about wheel base until this year.
Paul Schmitt came on the Nine Club and now wheelbase apparently matters....guess what?
yeah, i'm a midget and for me it was always just get the shortest board possible, but if i don't know and it feels alright, i probably won't think about it. i never payed attention to wheelbase other than when it said 14.5 i would be apprehensive since that just sounded too long. i've been growing up on the 13 7/8 and 14 wheelbases, those are my jam i guess. but probably has the least impact on my skating and i've skated a bunch of 917 boards with no problem and they are said to be rather long in terms of wheelbase. so it's whatever.
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1st, fuck adidas and corpo shoes... Vans are alright I guess.
2nd, the kid working at DLX about 6 months ago, won't dime him out, but my buddy asked about wheelbase like the old kook he is and the kid said "That shit doesn't matter, it's all the same." LOL.
The kid at DLX had a point there. I've been skating for like 15 years and not once have I thought about wheel base until this year.
Paul Schmitt came on the Nine Club and now wheelbase apparently matters....guess what?
It kicked in after about 25 years skating for me.....
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I'm taking a break from the stripes and the swoosh for a bit. Couple weeks ago I wrote something about why it might feel nicer to support the smaller shoe brands considering the current state of the world...
https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole (https://skatelier.substack.com/p/vibrations-from-deep-in-the-sole)
(https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3dccf8a8-b324-45da-b331-87f2e2dac398_2100x1500.png)
I really wish they'd make the Last Resort shoes in a 13, my buddy got a pair and they look so nice.
thought I was the only one with a 13 really wanting a pair. Heard they run half size big but they're gone in shops to try on
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
I got u ;)
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
Making fun of the band kid is a pretty jock thing to do, I think we need to confirm that you’re not a jock ???
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Even more terrifying is that the possibility that there is 4 ocks in this thread, someone call Mike V
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
Nice, I’m glad that you took the time to actually read what I wrote. Usually jocks don’t care to read my lengthy posts
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Even more terrifying is that the possibility that there is 4 ocks in this thread, someone call Mike V
Chill yo, we need to confirm that they're random ocks first.
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Even more terrifying is that the possibility that there is 4 ocks in this thread, someone call Mike V
Chill yo, we need to confirm that they're random ocks first.
Anything but that kind!
(https://i.ibb.co/98gjG5R/scared.gif) (https://ibb.co/LkRfv74)
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
None of those was made to be a skate shoe. So I don’t see how that means anything. Red wings are tried and true also. I’ve seen dudes skate in timbs. They been around forever too. I’m aware core company’s are still trying make money. But the difference to me is a core company started because they wanted a shoe for skateboarders etc. they created a company to supply skateboarders the Corp brands ( vans being the grey in between ) Started as running or soccer shoes then wanted a piece of the skateboard pie when it was lucrative. Took its most popular models( the ones you listed) and marketed them as skate shoes to skateboarders in which people naively believed.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
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I hope I don't have to see Chico in DVS again.
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Let's face it:
If you wears Nikes: u's a jock boy
If you wear Adidass: your a soccer hooligan
If you wear New Balance: You're a fat white Dad
If you wear Converse: You's a Wilt Chamberlain
If you wears Emerica's Creatures': u a fat white Dad who can't wipe properly
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
I mean, you kinda played yourself by buying a thin vulc shoe then complaining about support
thats the equivalent to buying a D3 and complaining about poor board feel
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
I mean, you kinda played yourself by buying a thin vulc shoe then complaining about support
thats the equivalent to buying a D3 and complaining about poor board feel
Manchester I’m talking about is the XLK Manchester that came out earlier this year. Not Vulc :D
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
None of those was made to be a skate shoe. So I don’t see how that means anything. Red wings are tried and true also. I’ve seen dudes skate in timbs. They been around forever too. I’m aware core company’s are still trying make money. But the difference to me is a core company started because they wanted a shoe for skateboarders etc. they created a company to supply skateboarders the Corp brands ( vans being the grey in between ) Started as running or soccer shoes then wanted a piece of the skateboard pie when it was lucrative. Took its most popular models( the ones you listed) and marketed them as skate shoes to skateboarders in which people naively believed.
or cuz sk8erz been donning them way b4 that u plouc
https://images.app.goo.gl/6UG1RsQZEfhfXUh57
https://images.app.goo.gl/9LLjF5oVf9t6cCfNA
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
None of those was made to be a skate shoe. So I don’t see how that means anything. Red wings are tried and true also. I’ve seen dudes skate in timbs. They been around forever too. I’m aware core company’s are still trying make money. But the difference to me is a core company started because they wanted a shoe for skateboarders etc. they created a company to supply skateboarders the Corp brands ( vans being the grey in between ) Started as running or soccer shoes then wanted a piece of the skateboard pie when it was lucrative. Took its most popular models( the ones you listed) and marketed them as skate shoes to skateboarders in which people naively believed.
And ledges aren’t meant for grinding but that’s the whole point of skating. To repurpose and use our surroundings as we see fit. You can use whatever u see fit as a tool for your skateboarding ;D
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Aside from the Busenitz models Adidas is garbage. Nike discontinued the Koston 1 and made dunks unobtainable. They both might as well exit skateboarding because all they offer is hypebeast trash anymore anyways. Shalom.
the 3st.004, Tyshawn's, and Puig's are all great shoes IMO.
i know everyone like to shit on "corporate" shoe companies but adidas has had a skate team for over 20 years. its definitely still wack that they are pulling product from shops to save some $$$ when they definitely would still stay afloat without doing so. in no way am i in support of them doing this, but like mentioned earlier, if you shop goes under because nike/adidas pulls your account, your shop/scene is most likely wack.
tbh im just salty because i love adidas skate team / how the shoes perform
i like cupsouls that arent chunky and adidas absolutely kills that aspect.
I think this idea that if your shop goes under because you loose your adidas account then your shop sucks is bull shit. I think you guys have a big misunderstanding as to what kids are buying and what it takes to keep your doors open.
all the kids want is Nike/Adidas/Vans
im 20yo so you'd probably consider me a kid (which i am)
and youre right, we (my age group) pretty much only buys nike/adi/vans/nb/cons
but can you blame us? all of the dudes my generation fucks with ride for such companies and are supported by such companies. there often the same price or cheaper than "core" shoe companies, the shoes perform significantly better, and also look so much cleaner to our zoomer, low attention span, ADHD tastes. and "core" shoe companies dont produce footage as frequently as vans or nike etc.
you dont see kids my age wearing éS/osiris/etnies for a reason. We think they look fucking stupid, and they dont perform as well as the companies i listed above
We grew up in a era where skateboarding was/is mainstream and cool. not a underground subculture.
i have a lot of respect for companies such as emerica,lakai,és,etc. for paving the way for us, but at the end of the day we all wear what we feel comfortable in. Millenials/Gen Z just so happens to feel comfortable in Nike / Adidas or whatever "corporate" devil worshipping, child laboring companies shoes.
DC is still cool tho. We fuck with DC
i understand most will disagree being that this website is mostly older dudes, but this is just the way i see it. times are changing.
thank you for listening to my TED talk
lmao youre 20 youre not a kid and you dont speak for our generation
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Even more terrifying is that the possibility that there is 4 ocks in this thread, someone call Mike V
Chill yo, we need to confirm that they're random ocks first.
Gosh bless you both for returning to the sacred well that is Mike V. & his penchant for taking on multiple, random, ocks at once.
Need to clean my keyboard/screen, thanks to laughing with a mouth full of coffee, as a result of stumbling across the above.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
None of those was made to be a skate shoe. So I don’t see how that means anything. Red wings are tried and true also. I’ve seen dudes skate in timbs. They been around forever too. I’m aware core company’s are still trying make money. But the difference to me is a core company started because they wanted a shoe for skateboarders etc. they created a company to supply skateboarders the Corp brands ( vans being the grey in between ) Started as running or soccer shoes then wanted a piece of the skateboard pie when it was lucrative. Took its most popular models( the ones you listed) and marketed them as skate shoes to skateboarders in which people naively believed.
Also these “corp” brands were making money off of skaters way before there were skate specific shoes. Think about the 80s and 90s where everyone was skating in Jordan 1s, Chuck Taylor’s, superstars, and puma suedes. I’ve even heard that Converse used to just send shoes to Girl for their riders. Hence why you’d see Guy and Rick skating them in mouse. To think that they are just now trying to get a piece of the pie is just shows that you haven’t done your research. But do as thou wilt, skate in Etnies Cali-Cuts for all I care :)
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
How so? What is so practical about it?
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
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Can we make a list? Let me know if there are others. I just scrolled through all the skateshop instas I can find and didn't find much. So far I have seen these in this thread:
- Sixth Ave Skatepark (Nashville, TN)
- One Up (Pittsburgh, PA
- Solstice (New Bedford, MA)
- Home Skateshop (Louisville, KY)
- Urbane (Steamboat Springs, CO)
- Minus Skateshop (Carmel Indiana)
Added one more shop thanks to JerryGurney.
So uh, we're having the "Big shoes is satan" debate again after 6ish shops lost their account? Maybe 10? Again for the record I don't support big shoe with my money or words, but this is hardly a sweeping move.
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GET YOUR JUSH @ChuckRamone
https://images.app.goo.gl/ifdFZwGFg3K7Bqpe9
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
First off it is us who influences them. Secondly the way our economic system is set up it will inevitably become the haves and have nots. Either way you are just a customer to either side. Nothing more nothing less. I rather have control of my own decisions then be pigeon holed into what I can and cannot buy. Skaters have been skating in whatever the fuck they wanted for as long as it’s been around. It is the skate industry that tricked you into thinking u need skate specific footwear that is lower quality than what has been around for decades. It’s actually pretty smart if you’re just trying to make a buck. But again you should skate in whatever works for you. Let them fight over our money ;)
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Let's face it:
If you wears Nikes: u's a jock boy
If you wear Adidass: your a soccer hooligan
If you wear New Balance: You're a fat white Dad
If you wear Converse: You's a Wilt Chamberlain
If you wears Emerica's Creatures': u a fat white Dad who can't wipe properly
The jig is up, he knows too much of the no wipe then shower regimen and what shoes they’re wearing
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
Also thinking that you’re keeping money in skating by purchasing “skater owned” is like joining one of those instagram cash app Ponzi schemes. But do you boo boo
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
most "skater owned" brands arent randomly closing the door to skateshops though
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
most "skater owned" brands arent randomly closing the door to skateshops though
Right why would a skate brand not sell to a skateshop?
Because it’s not the company it’s how business works. With what’s going on now with backed up logistics and lower man power why sell to shop X when product isn’t moving like the other 4 big box Retail stores in the area? Why would I go to the skateshop who’s trying to sell me Adidas Superstar “AVD” for 89.99 when footaction has superstars on sale for 29.99? It just makes sense. It’s actually practical by all means. Am I suppose to just bite the bullet and go to the skateshop where I’ll get cool guyed by the employees and get up charged cause you slap skateboarding on it? I mean if that doesn’t make sense idk what does.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
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blink 182 is sicc tho
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blink 182 is sicc tho
(insert Enema of the State Footwear joke here)
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
most "skater owned" brands arent randomly closing the door to skateshops though
Because it’s not the company it’s how business works. With what’s going on now with backed up logistics and lower man power why sell to shop X when product isn’t moving like the other 4 big box Retail stores in the area? Why would I go to the skateshop who’s trying to sell me Adidas Superstar “AVD” for 89.99 when footaction has superstars on sale for 29.99? It just makes sense. It’s actually practical by all means. Am I suppose to just bite the bullet and go to the skateshop where I’ll get cool guyed by the employees and get up charged cause you slap skateboarding on it? I mean if that doesn’t make sense idk what does.
Going to a shop and buying from them is an experience in of itself. You're supporting not only the owners of the shop, but employees wages, moving stock for them to get more in a new order, and help with the local scene. Now yes you might get a better deal from footlocker, but of course, they're getting their orders at a wholesale discount. All these footlocker mall stores are already at an advantage so they can sell their deadstock for pennies, because it doesn't matter to them. At a skateshop it does, they have to move product at the fixed rate because they don't get the advantages of a corporation. And honestly I rather take my chances at a shop, strike up a conversation and maybe make some new friends and gw t a discount that way. At footlocker sure you're getting a deal, but what experience are you getting?
"Hey bro wanna grab some socks while you're at it? How bout we sign you up for a card? You don't want a account with us why? You can save 5% every order... Just need that email...?"
I'll continue to support shops, in person or online.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
What you’re scared of has already happened! Skateboardings purest form is just that, skateboarding nothing more. Imo the subculture has been commodified way before we even started skating(I hate to assume your age but I’m pretty sure you’re not a 50 year old person) It’s not underground anymore. It’s an Olympic sport, corporately backed by this energy drink and that whatever the heck makes money. And I can name like 4 current pros that can be compared to the likes of Blink-182 and Creed lol
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
most "skater owned" brands arent randomly closing the door to skateshops though
Because it’s not the company it’s how business works. With what’s going on now with backed up logistics and lower man power why sell to shop X when product isn’t moving like the other 4 big box Retail stores in the area? Why would I go to the skateshop who’s trying to sell me Adidas Superstar “AVD” for 89.99 when footaction has superstars on sale for 29.99? It just makes sense. It’s actually practical by all means. Am I suppose to just bite the bullet and go to the skateshop where I’ll get cool guyed by the employees and get up charged cause you slap skateboarding on it? I mean if that doesn’t make sense idk what does.
Going to a shop and buying from them is an experience in of itself. You're supporting not only the owners of the shop, but employees wages, moving stock for them to get more in a new order, and help with the local scene. Now yes you might get a better deal from footlocker, but of course, they're getting their orders at a wholesale discount. All these footlocker mall stores are already at an advantage so they can sell their deadstock for pennies, because it doesn't matter to them. At a skateshop it does, they have to move product at the fixed rate because they don't get the advantages of a corporation. And honestly I rather take my chances at a shop, strike up a conversation and maybe make some new friends and gw t a discount that way. At footlocker sure you're getting a deal, but what experience are you getting?
"Hey bro wanna grab some socks while you're at it? How bout we sign you up for a card? You don't want a account with us why? You can save 5% every order... Just need that email...?"
I'll continue to support shops, in person or online.
As you should, the argument isn’t whether or not to support your skate shop. It’s why Adidas would pull out of a skateshop. continue to support your local shop ;D
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blink 182 is sicc tho
Yes!
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What you’re scared of has already happened! Skateboardings purest form is just that, skateboarding nothing more. Imo the subculture has been commodified way before we even started skating(I hate to assume your age but I’m pretty sure you’re not a 50 year old person) It’s not underground anymore. It’s an Olympic sport, corporately backed by this energy drink and that whatever the heck makes money. And I can name like 4 current pros that can be compared to the likes of Blink-182 and Creed lol
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
I find it a bit wild to sum up skateboarding to nothing but a corporate Olympic sport just because it happens to be one, what do you mean it's not underground anymore, you could list four current pros that are the Blink-182's of the culture (honestly there are way more), I could list thousands of dudes who skate every day, kill it locally and you'll never see in mags or on social media because they just organically want to skate and don't give a shit. Are those guys not skateboarders? Are they not a lot of skateboarders? Indie videos, mags, zines - all still going strong in 2020 all over the planet despite right now being absolute shit times economy-wise. Skateboarding at its core never changed, it's still something simple people like to do, like you're saying yourself, and contribute to the culture of by getting together and doing cool shit, so why stop at the mainstream facade now just because it's there? It's like looking at the tip of the iceberg and denying the rest exists, when it not only does but also makes for the whole body of the thing.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
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What you’re scared of has already happened! Skateboardings purest form is just that, skateboarding nothing more. Imo the subculture has been commodified way before we even started skating(I hate to assume your age but I’m pretty sure you’re not a 50 year old person) It’s not underground anymore. It’s an Olympic sport, corporately backed by this energy drink and that whatever the heck makes money. And I can name like 4 current pros that can be compared to the likes of Blink-182 and Creed lol
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
I find it a bit wild to sum up skateboarding to nothing but a corporate Olympic sport just because it happens to be one, what do you mean it's not underground anymore, you could list four current pros that are the Blink-182's of the culture (honestly there are way more), I could list thousands of dudes who skate every day, kill it locally and you'll never see in mags or on social media because they just organically want to skate and don't give a shit. Are those guys not skateboarders? Are they not a lot of skateboarders? Indie videos, mags, zines - all still going strong in 2020 despite right now being absolute shit times economy-wise. Skateboarding at its core never changed, it's still something simple people like to do, like you're saying yourself, and contribute to the culture of by getting together and doing cool shit, so why stop at the mainstream facade now just because it's there? It's like looking at the tip of the iceberg and denying the rest exists, when it not only does but also makes for the whole body of the thing.
Exactly! Those people who aren’t making money and doing it for themselves should do what is best for them. Because at the end of the day everyone who’s trying to make money off of this thing we love is just trying to make money. Theu don’t care that your feet hurt. They don’t care that you tore your ACL in their shitty shoes. They don’t care that you’ll have to buy a new pair of shoes every two weeks. It’s all about the mutha fucking money
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What you’re scared of has already happened! Skateboardings purest form is just that, skateboarding nothing more. Imo the subculture has been commodified way before we even started skating(I hate to assume your age but I’m pretty sure you’re not a 50 year old person) It’s not underground anymore. It’s an Olympic sport, corporately backed by this energy drink and that whatever the heck makes money. And I can name like 4 current pros that can be compared to the likes of Blink-182 and Creed lol
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
I find it a bit wild to sum up skateboarding to nothing but a corporate Olympic sport just because it happens to be one, what do you mean it's not underground anymore, you could list four current pros that are the Blink-182's of the culture (honestly there are way more), I could list thousands of dudes who skate every day, kill it locally and you'll never see in mags or on social media because they just organically want to skate and don't give a shit. Are those guys not skateboarders? Are they not a lot of skateboarders? Indie videos, mags, zines - all still going strong in 2020 all over the planet despite right now being absolute shit times economy-wise. Skateboarding at its core never changed, it's still something simple people like to do, like you're saying yourself, and contribute to the culture of by getting together and doing cool shit, so why stop at the mainstream facade now just because it's there? It's like looking at the tip of the iceberg and denying the rest exists, when it not only does but also makes for the whole body of the thing.
And those underground dudes that aren’t doing it for a check who like to skate in adidas know where to find adidas when they need them. You can support your local scene by buying other skate products at your local skate shop. It’s not like since I bought a pair of shell toes on Poshmark that the whole scene will come tumbling down
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What you’re scared of has already happened! Skateboardings purest form is just that, skateboarding nothing more. Imo the subculture has been commodified way before we even started skating(I hate to assume your age but I’m pretty sure you’re not a 50 year old person) It’s not underground anymore. It’s an Olympic sport, corporately backed by this energy drink and that whatever the heck makes money. And I can name like 4 current pros that can be compared to the likes of Blink-182 and Creed lol
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
I find it a bit wild to sum up skateboarding to nothing but a corporate Olympic sport just because it happens to be one, what do you mean it's not underground anymore, you could list four current pros that are the Blink-182's of the culture (honestly there are way more), I could list thousands of dudes who skate every day, kill it locally and you'll never see in mags or on social media because they just organically want to skate and don't give a shit. Are those guys not skateboarders? Are they not a lot of skateboarders? Indie videos, mags, zines - all still going strong in 2020 all over the planet despite right now being absolute shit times economy-wise. Skateboarding at its core never changed, it's still something simple people like to do, like you're saying yourself, and contribute to the culture of by getting together and doing cool shit, so why stop at the mainstream facade now just because it's there? It's like looking at the tip of the iceberg and denying the rest exists, when it not only does but also makes for the whole body of the thing.
And for you to think that I was trying to say those skater don’t exist just shows how poor your critically thinking skills are. Obviously those dudes exist I’m one of them ;)
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When I think of adidas I think of Henry panza and sketchy pittsburgh dudes eating cheese hogies while do switch tre flips on crusty banks with the big businetz tongue
They r really fucking up closing one up store is a giant advertisement for them idiotz
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When I think of adidas I think of Henry panza and sketchy pittsburgh dudes eating cheese hogies while do switch tre flips on crusty banks with the big businetz tongue
They r really fucking up closing one up store is a giant advertisement for them idiotz
Hell yeah, I think of Pepe Martinez and Kareem. It is low key an advertisement lol
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When I think of adidas I think of Henry panza and sketchy pittsburgh dudes eating cheese hogies while do switch tre flips on crusty banks with the big businetz tongue
They r really fucking up closing one up store is a giant advertisement for them idiotz
So fucking true.
They still have Vans which is good for them though. I know they've had them in the past, but I hope they can keep getting New Balance. I honestly prefer them to Adidas anyways. They move DC's well, and Lakai. Some Es too.
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Exactly! Those people who aren’t making money and doing it for themselves should do what is best for them. Because at the end of the day everyone who’s trying to make money off of this thing we love is just trying to make money. Theu don’t care that your feet hurt. They don’t care that you tore your ACL in their shitty shoes. They don’t care that you’ll have to buy a new pair of shoes every two weeks. It’s all about the mutha fucking money
Talking about poor 'critically' [sic] thinking, the weakness in your logic is exactly that it's too manichean (otherwise I don't necessarily disagree with everything you've been saying): you're dividing reality in just two poles when it's more complex. Where exactly do you draw the line between those 'pure' skaters when they love skating so much they eventually feel like contributing to a culture that gradually doesn't feel like theirs anymore so they start companies: shops, mags, zines, making little to no profit when not emptying their own pockets yet still keeping going, and the people who do what is technically the exact same thing but because they want to get something from skating? You seriously don't think it's possible for the average skateboarder to start any enterprise with another primary ambition than the modern holy grail of making bank just because, if that ambition is sincere and the person mature, there most likely will be money involved? To me it doesn't look like the guy behind Proper is especially trying to take down Nike or Adidas. The more alternatives the better, and many 'other dudes who aren't doing it for a check' you'll never catch skating in the big names ever exactly because it's the idea of alternatives that still speaks to them in skating, whether or not it's a sport on TV. A lot of my favorite skaters have had classic photos or footage in Adidas too but it doesn't affect my judgement, I still think the shoes are shit (I've had quite a few pairs, never paid for any) when States last me months and most importantly I remember those photos or clips for the skateboarding and certainly not for the shoes the dude is wearing.
Oh and congrats on being one of those real ones, I'll take your word for it just because you've expressed Pepe Martinez love and instantly add you to the bottom of the list of all the ones I know.
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Exactly! Those people who aren’t making money and doing it for themselves should do what is best for them. Because at the end of the day everyone who’s trying to make money off of this thing we love is just trying to make money. Theu don’t care that your feet hurt. They don’t care that you tore your ACL in their shitty shoes. They don’t care that you’ll have to buy a new pair of shoes every two weeks. It’s all about the mutha fucking money
Talking about poor 'critically' [sic] thinking, the weakness in your logic is exactly that it's too manichean (otherwise I don't necessarily disagree with everything you've been saying): you're dividing reality in just two poles when it's more complex. Where exactly do you draw the line between those 'pure' skaters when they love skating so much they eventually feel like contributing to a culture that gradually doesn't feel like theirs anymore so they start companies: shops, mags, zines, making little to no profit when not emptying their own pockets yet still keeping going, and the people who do what is technically the exact same thing because they want to get something from skating? You seriously don't think it's possible for the average skateboarder to start any enterprise with another primary ambition than the modern holy grail of making bank just because, if that ambition is sincere and the person mature, there will most likely be money involved? To me it doesn't look like the guy behind Proper is especially trying to take down Nike or Adidas. The more alternatives the better, and many 'other dudes who aren't doing it for a check' you'll never catch skating in the big names ever exactly because it's the idea of alternatives that still speaks to them in skating, whether or not it's a sport on TV. A lot of my favorite skaters have had classic photos or footage in Adidas too but it doesn't affect my judgement, I still think the shoes are shit (I've had quite a few pairs, never paid for any) when States last me months and most importantly I remember those photos or clips for the skateboarding and certainly not for the shoes the dude is wearing.
Oh and congrats on being one of those real ones, I'll take your word for it just because you've expressed Pepe Martinez love and add you to the bottom of the list of the 5000 or so I know.
I’m not drawing any lines or dividing realities. I’m poking holes in the logic that is being present to me. Because at the end of the day you feel what I’m saying. I don’t think every person who is profiting on skating is a bad person. What I’m saying is to do what’s best for you, the individual.
It’s funny because it’s a theme with the group mentality you subscribe to that what you do not understand or that challenges your beliefs is immediately portrayed as a monster of some sort. Like do you really think I believe that people shouldn’t make any money off of their passion? Who do you think I am the Grinch? When it come to the shoe game, which is what this topic is about, you can’t come up with a solid argument against me so you straw man me into talking about kids making zines and point out my typos. That’s not what we were talking about at all so chill fam you are not smart just cause you used a word most people on here are gunna have to google. Also if state works for you by all means skate them. Do what works for you, the individual
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Exactly! Those people who aren’t making money and doing it for themselves should do what is best for them. Because at the end of the day everyone who’s trying to make money off of this thing we love is just trying to make money. Theu don’t care that your feet hurt. They don’t care that you tore your ACL in their shitty shoes. They don’t care that you’ll have to buy a new pair of shoes every two weeks. It’s all about the mutha fucking money
Talking about poor 'critically' [sic] thinking, the weakness in your logic is exactly that it's too manichean (otherwise I don't necessarily disagree with everything you've been saying): you're dividing reality in just two poles when it's more complex. Where exactly do you draw the line between those 'pure' skaters when they love skating so much they eventually feel like contributing to a culture that gradually doesn't feel like theirs anymore so they start companies: shops, mags, zines, making little to no profit when not emptying their own pockets yet still keeping going, and the people who do what is technically the exact same thing but because they want to get something from skating? You seriously don't think it's possible for the average skateboarder to start any enterprise with another primary ambition than the modern holy grail of making bank just because, if that ambition is sincere and the person mature, there most likely will be money involved? To me it doesn't look like the guy behind Proper is especially trying to take down Nike or Adidas. The more alternatives the better, and many 'other dudes who aren't doing it for a check' you'll never catch skating in the big names ever exactly because it's the idea of alternatives that still speaks to them in skating, whether or not it's a sport on TV. A lot of my favorite skaters have had classic photos or footage in Adidas too but it doesn't affect my judgement, I still think the shoes are shit (I've had quite a few pairs, never paid for any) when States last me months and most importantly I remember those photos or clips for the skateboarding and certainly not for the shoes the dude is wearing.
Oh and congrats on being one of those real ones, I'll take your word for it just because you've expressed Pepe Martinez love and instantly add you to the bottom of the list of all the ones I know.
Also I’ve never said adidas was the superior brand, or that there shouldn’t be alternatives. all I’m saying is that it makes sense why they would pull out of Skate shops in today’s climate
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Exactly! Those people who aren’t making money and doing it for themselves should do what is best for them. Because at the end of the day everyone who’s trying to make money off of this thing we love is just trying to make money. Theu don’t care that your feet hurt. They don’t care that you tore your ACL in their shitty shoes. They don’t care that you’ll have to buy a new pair of shoes every two weeks. It’s all about the mutha fucking money
Talking about poor 'critically' [sic] thinking, the weakness in your logic is exactly that it's too manichean (otherwise I don't necessarily disagree with everything you've been saying): you're dividing reality in just two poles when it's more complex. Where exactly do you draw the line between those 'pure' skaters when they love skating so much they eventually feel like contributing to a culture that gradually doesn't feel like theirs anymore so they start companies: shops, mags, zines, making little to no profit when not emptying their own pockets yet still keeping going, and the people who do what is technically the exact same thing but because they want to get something from skating? You seriously don't think it's possible for the average skateboarder to start any enterprise with another primary ambition than the modern holy grail of making bank just because, if that ambition is sincere and the person mature, there most likely will be money involved? To me it doesn't look like the guy behind Proper is especially trying to take down Nike or Adidas. The more alternatives the better, and many 'other dudes who aren't doing it for a check' you'll never catch skating in the big names ever exactly because it's the idea of alternatives that still speaks to them in skating, whether or not it's a sport on TV. A lot of my favorite skaters have had classic photos or footage in Adidas too but it doesn't affect my judgement, I still think the shoes are shit (I've had quite a few pairs, never paid for any) when States last me months and most importantly I remember those photos or clips for the skateboarding and certainly not for the shoes the dude is wearing.
Oh and congrats on being one of those real ones, I'll take your word for it just because you've expressed Pepe Martinez love and instantly add you to the bottom of the list of all the ones I know.
I’m glad I’m on your list because I have yet to even read your user name lol
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I bought two pairs of states really wanting to support them and they super stiff/uncomfortable and the bottom is slippery.
Have tried giving them away. Anytime someone tries them on they decline takin them for free
For how badly I want to support that company I CANT wear them. Don’t know how their team does
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It’s funny because it’s a theme with the group mentality you subscribe to that what you do not understand or that challenges your beliefs is immediately portrayed as a monster of some sort. Like do you really think I believe that people shouldn’t make any money off of their passion? Who do you think I am the Grinch? When it come to the shoe game, which is what this topic is about, you can’t come up with a solid argument against me so you straw man me into talking about kids making zines and point out my typos. That’s not what we were talking about at all so chill fam you are not smart just cause you used a word most people on here are gunna have to google. Also if state works for you by all means skate them. Do what works for you, the individual
Proof that you are projecting is I never even once stated my opinion on the topic, yet you're lumping me together with some phantasmal group because I've dared ask you questions. You have zero idea of what I think because I don't put it out there thinking my little take on the subject is worth so much more than the next person's. I never put any words in your mouth, I was legitimately asking you what you were thinking regarding specific topics.
Also individuality and selfishness are two different things, one can only be a (mature) individual if they at least consider the consequences of what their actions on the community sometimes, including their spending habits, and keep questioning themselves, basically being responsible, otherwise that's just being a basic me-first swallowing every instance of bullshit while primarily beating their chest. I'm all for freedom of choice but not for putting my head in the sand, but surely you see the double-edged sword.
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The new Gilbert Crockett shoe is a better version of the adidas match court change my mind
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I bought two pairs of states really wanting to support them and they super stiff/uncomfortable and the bottom is slippery.
Have tried giving them away. Anytime someone tries them on they dekline takin them for free
For how badly I want to support that company I CANT wear them. Don’t know how their team does
Oh I see what you did there...
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The core vs corpo shit is pretty beat at this point
I think the real underlying problem is that core shops aren’t treated well enough and imo are just as important to the story of skating as the brands
Shops are (used to be?) the face of skating. Most people can’t walk into primitive and prod is at the front desk ready to answer your questions but skate shop owners usually are.
I’d rather get cool guyed in person at a shop than buy into some fake ass internet persona that’s just trying to sell me shit Anyway
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It’s funny because it’s a theme with the group mentality you subscribe to that what you do not understand or that challenges your beliefs is immediately portrayed as a monster of some sort. Like do you really think I believe that people shouldn’t make any money off of their passion? Who do you think I am the Grinch? When it come to the shoe game, which is what this topic is about, you can’t come up with a solid argument against me so you straw man me into talking about kids making zines and point out my typos. That’s not what we were talking about at all so chill fam you are not smart just cause you used a word most people on here are gunna have to google. Also if state works for you by all means skate them. Do what works for you, the individual
Proof that you are projecting is I never even once stated my opinion on the topic, yet you're lumping me together with some phantasmal group because I've dared ask you questions. You have zero idea of what I think because I don't put it out there thinking my little take on the subject is worth so much more than the next person's. I never put any words in your mouth, I was legitimately asking you what you were thinking regarding specific topics.
Also individuality and selfishness are two different things, one can only be a (mature) individual if they at least consider the consequences of what their actions on the community sometimes, including their spending habits, and keep questioning themselves, basically being responsible, otherwise that's just being a basic me-first swallowing every instance of bullshit while primarily beating their chest. I'm all for freedom of choice but not for putting my head in the sand, but surely you see the double-edged sword.
You came at me so I had to clap back G, the fact you purposely skate states gave the the inclination that you are a support skater own businesses by any means type or the I’m broke so I guess they’ll do type. If I’m wrong so be it, but you definitely tried to make me out to be some kind of monster when in fact I’m promoting you, the individual. The individual need be solid before they can contribute to anything. As for things like spending habits and conscious buying we can be here all day and never spend a dime on anything because most thing are unethically sourced and someone is getting short handed somewhere. That’s why in the world we live in we need to be aware of the things that we can control, which is ourselves, the individual.
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Reading comments above it seems kids today want to click a link in noras story that takes you to an adidas online shop.
I’m sure adidas executives want that as well. It cuts out having to mail to skate shops and they make mor e profit selling direct to customer from
Wholesale price.
Corporations have been farming us for awhile
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The core vs corpo shit is pretty beat at this point
I think the real underlying problem is that core shops aren’t treated well enough and imo are just as important to the story of skating as the brands
Shops are (used to be?) the face of skating. Most people can’t walk into primitive and prod is at the front desk ready to answer your questions but skate shop owners usually are.
I’d rather get cool guyed in person at a shop than buy into some fake ass internet persona that’s just trying to sell me shit Anyway
Word, I see what your saying. I rather know you don’t fuck with me than that fake skater friend shit.
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The core vs corpo shit is pretty beat at this point
I think the real underlying problem is that core shops aren’t treated well enough and imo are just as important to the story of skating as the brands
Shops are (used to be?) the face of skating. Most people can’t walk into primitive and prod is at the front desk ready to answer your questions but skate shop owners usually are.
I’d rather get cool guyed in person at a shop than buy into some fake ass internet persona that’s just trying to sell me shit Anyway
Exactly atleast in person when I’m getting laughed at for buying 100 dollar shoes they paid 30 for it’s understood.
I guess most people can’t handle that and need the shiny ball put in their face so they feel better
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Reading comments above it seems kids today want to click a link in noras story that takes you to an adidas online shop.
I’m sure adidas executives want that as well. It cuts out having to mail to skate shops and they make mor e profit selling direct to customer from
Wholesale price.
Corporations have been farming us for awhile
At least they’re paying their riders well. Puig looks like he’s gunna be set for life.
you should always support your local skate shop the best you can. Does that mean only purchase products from your local skate shop no matter what? No, but when you can do your best to at least spend some of your dollars at a local skate shop. Even if they are cool guys 8)
And if you’re not vibing with your local find a local shop that has an online store. By no means am I trying to get people to stop shopping at their local and go to foot locker, I was merely giving an example as to why it would make sense for Adidas to close certain accounts.
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The core vs corpo shit is pretty beat at this point
I think the real underlying problem is that core shops aren’t treated well enough and imo are just as important to the story of skating as the brands
Shops are (used to be?) the face of skating. Most people can’t walk into primitive and prod is at the front desk ready to answer your questions but skate shop owners usually are.
I’d rather get cool guyed in person at a shop than buy into some fake ass internet persona that’s just trying to sell me shit Anyway
Exactly atleast in person when I’m getting laughed at for buying 100 dollar shoes they paid 30 for it’s understood.
I guess most people can’t handle that and need the shiny ball put in their face so they feel better
Yes! Haha so true
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It only make sense for adidas to close core shop accounts like one up because they don’t deem them essential to the brands image and they can under cut one ups market share.
If adidas makes their shoe for 7 dollars and they can sell direct to one up customers for 100 it’s simple math
They r just aiming at select targets now trying to make up for sales
All this reminds me of being 3 years old at grand parents making Xmas gifts.
We were sewing clothes for a bear. She had me cut out these freyed triangle patterns along leather. She kept trying to sew these 3 stripes onto the shoe. When I asked why she said it’s a popular brand and people pay good money for the design. I was very confused still am
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I bought two pairs of states really wanting to support them and they super stiff/uncomfortable and the bottom is slippery.
Have tried giving them away. Anytime someone tries them on they decline takin them for free
For how badly I want to support that company I CANT wear them. Don’t know how their team does
This is super disappointing because I too was interested in this brand and hoping for the best. The fact you can’t give them away speaks volumes
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It only make sense for adidas to close core shop accounts like one up because they don’t deem them essential to the brands image and they can under cut one ups market share.
If adidas makes their shoe for 7 dollars and they can sell direct to one up customers for 100 it’s simple math
They r just aiming at select targets now trying to make up for sales
All this reminds me of being 3 years old at grand parents making Xmas gifts.
We were sewing clothes for a bear. She had me cut out these freyed triangle patterns along leather. She kept trying to sew these 3 stripes onto the shoe. When I asked why she said it’s a popular brand and people pay good money for the design. I was very confused still am
True, it’s unfortunate. My local just got their converse account cut. Seems to be common practice when times are as rough as these.
That sounds like a wholesome way to spend time with your family during the holidays. If you had a pic of the bear that would be sick to see it with little adidas on lol Thanks for sharing that
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You came at me so I had to clap back G, the fact you purposely skate states gave the the inclination that you are a support skater own businesses by any means type or the I’m broke so I guess they’ll do type. If I’m wrong so be it, but you definitely tried to make me out to be some kind of monster when in fact I’m promoting you, the individual. The individual need be solid before they can contribute to anything. As for things like spending habits and conscious buying we can be here all day and never spend a dime on anything because most thing are unethically sourced and someone is getting short handed somewhere. That’s why in the world we live in we need to be aware of the things that we can control, which is ourselves, the individual.
Again I never came at you and only asked you questions pertaining to points that intrigued me, which I don't think is even close to antagonizing you, but no need to bring this up again (I even missed it whenever it was that you 'clapped'). One more thing I'm intrigued by now is how it's possible to chant individuality yet be dubious that someone might skate State because they just so happen to like State (not because they're poor or into politics), and also to not give a shit about the big names that represent a skateboarding that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of theirs. And that's including, in those big names, many that love to flaunt the phrase 'skater-owned' as it keeps their credibility afloat; and 'support your local skateshop' is on the exact same level of tired too, by the way, judging from the number of absolutely horrible so-called skateshops I've seen rely on it as an excuse to really not do shit for their scene but selling Thrasher shirts and Pizza boards - it's the exact same abuse. So again the topic is not that black and white is all I'm saying, and have been meaning to say.
And now obviously everything is corrupted to a degree but in reality different options bring different tangible consequences and, again, the world being a general mess is never a reason to give up on critical thinking altogether - that's two-wrongs-make-a-right logic - and succumb to automatic, mindless consumption; otherwise that's a victory of the instinctual on the rational and exactly when the individual dies.
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You came at me so I had to clap back G, the fact you purposely skate states gave the the inclination that you are a support skater own businesses by any means type or the I’m broke so I guess they’ll do type. If I’m wrong so be it, but you definitely tried to make me out to be some kind of monster when in fact I’m promoting you, the individual. The individual need be solid before they can contribute to anything. As for things like spending habits and conscious buying we can be here all day and never spend a dime on anything because most thing are unethically sourced and someone is getting short handed somewhere. That’s why in the world we live in we need to be aware of the things that we can control, which is ourselves, the individual.
Again I never came at you and only asked you questions pertaining to points that intrigued me, which I don't think is even close to antagonizing you, but no need to bring this up again (I even missed it whenever it was that you 'clapped'). One more thing I'm intrigued by now is how it's possible to chant individuality yet be dubious that someone might skate State because they just to happen to like State (not because they're poor or into politics) and also to not give a shit about the big names that represent a skateboarding that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of theirs, like that does make them in the wrong. And that's including many that love to flaunt the phrase 'skater-owned' as it keeps their credibility afloat; and 'support your local skateshop' is on the exact same level of tired too, by the way, judging from the number of absolutely horrible so-called skateshops I've seen rely on it as an excuse to really not do shit, it's the exact same abuse. So again the topic is not that black and white.
And now obviously everything is corrupted to a degree but in reality different options bring different tangible consequences and, again, the world being a general mess is never a reason to give up on critical thinking altogether - that's two-wrongs-make-a-right logic - and succumb to automatic, mindless consumption; otherwise that's a victory of the instinctual on the rational and exactly when the individual dies.
If you think I haven’t put thought in why I choose to purchase what I choose to purchase after the paragraphs of shit I’ve written idk what to tell you. I even stated that I could be wrong about my assumptions of the person who rides state shoes. They could genuinely like the shoes just cause they are shoes that work for them and that’s fine. Trust me I know exactly what you’re talking about when it comes to shitty shops. I’ve actually worked at quite a few shops across the country. The reason you should support your local is because there are connections made at these locations that are extremely valuable. Can they be made in other settings? Of course, but I do remember being a little kid and meeting up with skaters in the area at the local shop. The fact that we can write so much about this is clear indication that is not black and white. But to not acknowledge the clear difference in quality and contribution when it come to most of these “skater owned” shoe brands is kinda insane. Someone else just said he couldn’t give a pair away! I feel like you’re trying really hard, especially that last part. These are just my opinions and by no means am I telling you what to do. I honestly wish the best for State and all these other brands, but I will not be buying them as they are now. If I offended you it wasn’t my intention.
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Yeah honestly I've been trying really hard to just shoot the shit, I feel like every time I've genuinely asked you a general question with no big weight to it it's been taken as a personal challenge or confrontation when in reality your character never once even entered the equation, for instance here I never brought up your own habits, why would I and what the fuck would I even know.
For skateshops I'm honestly still skeptical about the validity of the phrase (of course not of the concept) because although the potential is always there for hard-working passionate skaters to run something great for the local community (and thankfully many still do), there's also a shit ton of them who just ride the skate hype train to cash in on selling shoes with no humanity in the approach whatsoever and only spoil kids with logos in the end; in a way 'support your local skateshop' as a saying is almost an insult to the ones who don't need it to have their role speak for themselves. It shouldn't need to exist for people to actually do it (but I guess we're that stupid and it's all the more welcome in the context of the pandemic), in general I'd rather see people rely on logic and common sense instead of following catchphrases.
Regarding quality, to each their own, like I was saying States have always performed way better than Adidas and Vans to me, people will have varying experiences with different models and the comments on here constantly prove that, so I don't think comparing performance is that unreasonable; about contribution, that's totally up to whoever benefits from it to appreciate it, unless one has worked for (and not just with) the big names they have zero idea how much they actually pay people besides whatever's going on in their own fantasy land, recently a few in particular indirectly killed a bunch of small mags by using Covid as an excuse to get their yearly advertising budget back and then redirect it elsewhere in their marketing with no shits given about the impact on the culture (as expected here), I have many stories of people getting laid off for things like suddenly looking too old with no regard for their current life situation, freelancers are getting fucked over the same as you've heard they used to be by the most prehistoric skater-owned companies. So yeah they may be funding skateparks in the richest cities in the world, paying a handful of athletes on the planet the skate equivalent of soccer money and releasing an impressive amount of uninteresting ads a year but as far as I'm concerned I don't really see any positives around me, especially as they keep killing the alternatives. I think a lot of the problem resides in how those structures are by definition too big and complex to successfully get to communicate with the average skateboarder, regardless of the professionalism of their PR's (which only means so much when they can sell in malls instead, and yes I'm aware State also has to sell in Zumiez in consequence and it pisses me off).
No offense intended either, again, I'm just laying random food for thought on the table and your person has nothing to do with this (I was intrigued by your logic at first, but you've clarified enough).
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
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So I have no idea of what kind of a profit margin a shop makes off the sale of a Nike or Adidas shoe but is this what keeps alot of these shops going ? I think we will see alot of retail business not just skate shops shutting down for the same reason you can buy online directly from the manufacturer. I'm not saying this doesn't suck because I know how important core shops are for maintaining a scene and community for skateboarding in your city. But at the end of the day its just a sign of changing times.
Also I wonder if Dill knew the FAxAdidas collab would fall in line with this, very ironic.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
I stayed on topic this whole time and I’m not emotional at all. If I’m stirring emotion in you as your read my post then that means my words are moving you and hopefully I got you to open your mind a little bit. Also this is my only account so idk what you’re talking about lol All I’m saying is to just purchase something because it’s skater owned might not be in your best interest as an individual. But by all means spend your money on you see fit. If my explanation of why a company would close an account doesn’t make sense to you then that’s ok too. But I do know what I’m taking about and if you like to bring up valid points that aren’t stabs at my character then I’m more than happy to have a discussion with you ;)
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Yeah honestly I've been trying really hard to just shoot the shit, I feel like every time I've genuinely asked you a general question with no big weight to it it's been taken as a personal challenge or confrontation when in reality your character never once even entered the equation, for instance here I never brought up your own habits, why would I and what the fuck would I even know.
For skateshops I'm honestly still skeptical about the validity of the phrase (of course not of the concept) because although the potential is always there for hard-working passionate skaters to run something great for the local community (and thankfully many still do), there's also a shit ton of them who just ride the skate hype train to cash in on selling shoes with no humanity in the approach whatsoever and only spoil kids with logos in the end; in a way 'support your local skateshop' as a saying is almost an insult to the ones who don't need it to have their role speak for themselves. It shouldn't need to exist for people to actually do it (but I guess we're that stupid and it's all the more welcome in the context of the pandemic), in general I'd rather see people rely on logic and common sense instead of following catchphrases.
Regarding quality, to each their own, like I was saying States have always performed way better than Adidas and Vans to me, people will have varying experiences with different models and the comments on here constantly prove that, so I don't think comparing performance is that unreasonable; about contribution, that's totally up to whoever benefits from it to appreciate it, unless one has worked for (and not just with) the big names they have zero idea how much they actually pay people besides whatever's going on in their own fantasy land, recently a few in particular indirectly killed a bunch of small mags by using Covid as an excuse to get their yearly advertising budget back and then redirect it elsewhere in their marketing with no shits given about the impact on the culture (as expected here), I have many stories of people getting laid off for things like suddenly looking too old with no regard for their current life situation, freelancers are getting fucked over the same as you've heard they used to be by the most prehistoric skater-owned companies. So yeah they may be funding skateparks in the richest cities in the world, paying a handful of athletes on the planet the skate equivalent of soccer money and releasing an impressive amount of uninteresting ads a year but as far as I'm concerned I don't really see any positives around me, especially as they keep killing the alternatives. I think a lot of the problem resides in how those structures are by definition too big and complex to successfully get to communicate with the average skateboarder, regardless of the professionalism of their PR's (which only means so much when they can sell in malls instead, and yes I'm aware State also has to sell in Zumiez in consequence and it pisses me off).
No offense intended either, again, I'm just laying random food for thought on the table and your person has nothing to do with this (I was intrigued by your logic at first, but you've clarified enough).
Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
If you’d like to contribute to my negative rep please I encourage it. I don’t really post much on this forum but I thought I’d contribute to this topic because I feel like I have an understanding that my differ from the norm but I truly believe there is some validity in what I’ve said here. Mostly because I can’t get anyone to pose an idea that makes sense, all I’m getting is hate which is a by product of moving so freely. People hate when you move like water, they hate it even more when you proudly announce it
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Yeah honestly I've been trying really hard to just shoot the shit, I feel like every time I've genuinely asked you a general question with no big weight to it it's been taken as a personal challenge or confrontation when in reality your character never once even entered the equation, for instance here I never brought up your own habits, why would I and what the fuck would I even know.
For skateshops I'm honestly still skeptical about the validity of the phrase (of course not of the concept) because although the potential is always there for hard-working passionate skaters to run something great for the local community (and thankfully many still do), there's also a shit ton of them who just ride the skate hype train to cash in on selling shoes with no humanity in the approach whatsoever and only spoil kids with logos in the end; in a way 'support your local skateshop' as a saying is almost an insult to the ones who don't need it to have their role speak for themselves. It shouldn't need to exist for people to actually do it (but I guess we're that stupid and it's all the more welcome in the context of the pandemic), in general I'd rather see people rely on logic and common sense instead of following catchphrases.
Regarding quality, to each their own, like I was saying States have always performed way better than Adidas and Vans to me, people will have varying experiences with different models and the comments on here constantly prove that, so I don't think comparing performance is that unreasonable; about contribution, that's totally up to whoever benefits from it to appreciate it, unless one has worked for (and not just with) the big names they have zero idea how much they actually pay people besides whatever's going on in their own fantasy land, recently a few in particular indirectly killed a bunch of small mags by using Covid as an excuse to get their yearly advertising budget back and then redirect it elsewhere in their marketing with no shits given about the impact on the culture (as expected here), I have many stories of people getting laid off for things like suddenly looking too old with no regard for their current life situation, freelancers are getting fucked over the same as you've heard they used to be by the most prehistoric skater-owned companies. So yeah they may be funding skateparks in the richest cities in the world, paying a handful of athletes on the planet the skate equivalent of soccer money and releasing an impressive amount of uninteresting ads a year but as far as I'm concerned I don't really see any positives around me, especially as they keep killing the alternatives. I think a lot of the problem resides in how those structures are by definition too big and complex to successfully get to communicate with the average skateboarder, regardless of the professionalism of their PR's (which only means so much when they can sell in malls instead, and yes I'm aware State also has to sell in Zumiez in consequence and it pisses me off).
No offense intended either, again, I'm just laying random food for thought on the table and your person has nothing to do with this (I was intrigued by your logic at first, but you've clarified enough).
I remember going to the doctor because I had bone spurs in my heel. I walked in wearing a pair of skater owned shoes. The doctor told me to take my shoe off and showed me why the shoes are no good for me. When he showed me that I was literally standing on cardboard I was amazed. I can assure you that there are clear and obvious differences in the quality of most shoes that are skater owned and other brands who just make footwear and the fact that you think it’s up for debate is crazy to me. It’s not subjective, it’s cold hard facts that even a doctor would tell you to stop wearing those things. But again to each their own, skate bare foot for all I care.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
I don’t have an ounce of fear in my body when it comes to this silly forum, so much so that my name is in my username ;)
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
You were saying earlier that people saying buy skater owned felt that core companies cared about them. 100% straw man. You're also bringing up the old ethics issues with sweat shops when no one said core companies are innocent of that either. Another straw man. You also go back and forth between attacking and trying to sound reasonable and wounded by personal attacks, which is very manipulative. Skaters should support skater owned to keep skating under the control of skaters. Anything else you tack on to that, such as "Ponzi schemes" and individualism, are distractions and distortions.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
You were saying earlier that people saying buy skater owned felt that core companies cared about them. 100% straw man. You're also bringing up the old ethics issues with sweat shops when no one said core companies are innocent of that either. Another straw man. You also go back and forth between attacking and trying to sound reasonable and wounded by personal attacks, which is very manipulative. Skaters should support skater owned to keep skating under the control of skaters. Anything else you tack on to that, such as "Ponzi schemes" and individualism, are distractions and distortions.
Im 100% sure you don’t truly understand what you’re talking about. I never even typed the word “sweatshop” lol I’m glad my clear and concise thoughts have got you to come at the way I present them and not the actual topic itself. Continue to support whoever you seem fit to support. I just think to sacrifice your future self over feeling apart of something that truly can care less about you as a person just doesn’t make sense to me. Again all I’ve been saying is that You should skate what you think is the best for you as an individual. Everything else has just been me poking holes and having fun with with the faulty logic present to me
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
You were saying earlier that people saying buy skater owned felt that core companies cared about them. 100% straw man. You're also bringing up the old ethics issues with sweat shops when no one said core companies are innocent of that either. Another straw man. You also go back and forth between attacking and trying to sound reasonable and wounded by personal attacks, which is very manipulative. Skaters should support skater owned to keep skating under the control of skaters. Anything else you tack on to that, such as "Ponzi schemes" and individualism, are distractions and distortions.
Are you not for individualism?
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
You were saying earlier that people saying buy skater owned felt that core companies cared about them. 100% straw man. You're also bringing up the old ethics issues with sweat shops when no one said core companies are innocent of that either. Another straw man. You also go back and forth between attacking and trying to sound reasonable and wounded by personal attacks, which is very manipulative. Skaters should support skater owned to keep skating under the control of skaters. Anything else you tack on to that, such as "Ponzi schemes" and individualism, are distractions and distortions.
Actually Chuck don’t answer that question, I’d hate to lead you in another discussion that you don’t understand. Let’s just chalk it up to a Deeper Understanding
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
You were saying earlier that people saying buy skater owned felt that core companies cared about them. 100% straw man. You're also bringing up the old ethics issues with sweat shops when no one said core companies are innocent of that either. Another straw man. You also go back and forth between attacking and trying to sound reasonable and wounded by personal attacks, which is very manipulative. Skaters should support skater owned to keep skating under the control of skaters. Anything else you tack on to that, such as "Ponzi schemes" and individualism, are distractions and distortions.
I don't think you've accomplished that. You have muddied the waters though with lots of weird ancillary points. And you didn't use the exact word sweatshop but you talked about ethical sourcing - if you weren't implying sweatshops then my mistake. Also, I said bringing up individualism is a distraction, not that I am opposed to it.
If you think you're exercising individualism through your buying habits, you've got way too much faith in capitalism. I'm sure before Amazon killed thousands of local bookshops, people felt they were making the right individual choice by buying Amazon's cheaper, more convenient books. Now people can shop for books at the very few small bookstores left or Amazon. That's what huge corporations do. They swallow up all their competition until you're left with fewer and fewer choices until you can only express your individualism at Amazon, Starbucks, or Wal-Mart. If you want to contribute to the big corporate shoe companies doing that to skateboarding, while taking the power out of skaters' hands, go ahead. That's your individual choice. But I think it's a bad choice.
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
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The skate industry is a fucking joke and if you think that “skater owner” means they care about you then you’re delusional. Lakai doesn’t give a fuck that I literally couldn’t even walk in that Manchester reissue cause there is zero heel support. They’re laughing to the bank while y’all police each other into what you should be wearing. As for corporate brands, they are trying to make the best possible product they can to rule a market. They are in competition with themselves and their peers, which resulted in some of the most iconic designs that have been tested by multiple different athletes of all kinds of different disciplines. (And no I’m not a “jock” I was actually first chair clarinet all thru high school :P ) There’s a reason why the superstar, Stan Smith, samba, dunk, blazer, Chuck Taylor, ect have been in production for generations. They are tried and true. Why wouldn’t you want to wear a shoe that has stood the test of time? Ill tell you why, Mob mentality. If you’re not one of us you’re against us mentality which, imo, is how supremacy is born. This way of thinking is directly related to how skaters interact with each other on a micro level as well. It bleeds into our social interaction with other skaters who may differ in the way they look or dress. In the end it’s purposeful ignorance, which was funny to watch at first but now it’s just plain sad and it honestly pins us against each other more than you would think. At the end of the day skate in what you think is the best shoe for your skateboarding cause as Waka Flaka once said
“fuck this industry, bitch I’m in these streets”
When did anyone say this? That skating should stay under the control of skaters is not a sentimental argument. It's a practical one.
Why the fuck would skaters want outsiders influencing and controlling skateboarding? Are cool sneakers really worth relinquishing any or all of that power? I don't know about you but that sounds like a bad idea.
That sounds more naive what you were pointing out. Eventually, once they've established enough of a foothold, they will not only influence skateboarding but control it. And corporate influence is never good for a subculture. It always subsumes and destroys all subcultures and spits out things like Blink-182 and Creed. In response to your later post, I don't understand how trying to buy skater owned is the same as a Ponzi scheme. This is not investment advice. It's an opinion about consumerism and how it affects skateboarding.
The insta cash app comment was more of a joke but there are slight comparisons. Like believing that the money you spend on skater owner shoes is going to come back to you in some other maybe less tangible but just as valued way is kinda funny
It would be cool if you weren't scared to post under your usual username. Probably a bad look though white knighting for corporations. Also rich that you're accusing others of straw manning when every single one of your points is exactly that, or emotion-filled rhetoric and complete distortions.
You were saying earlier that people saying buy skater owned felt that core companies cared about them. 100% straw man. You're also bringing up the old ethics issues with sweat shops when no one said core companies are innocent of that either. Another straw man. You also go back and forth between attacking and trying to sound reasonable and wounded by personal attacks, which is very manipulative. Skaters should support skater owned to keep skating under the control of skaters. Anything else you tack on to that, such as "Ponzi schemes" and individualism, are distractions and distortions.
I don't think you've accomplished that. You have muddied the waters though with lots of weird ancillary points. And you didn't use the exact word sweatshop but you talked about ethical sourcing - if you weren't implying sweatshops then my mistake. Also, I said bringing up individualism is a distraction, not that I am opposed to it.
If you think you're exercising individualism through your buying habits, you've got way too much faith in capitalism. I'm sure before Amazon killed thousands of local bookshops, people felt they were making the right individual choice by buying Amazon's cheaper, more convenient books. Now people can shop for books at the very few small bookstores left or Amazon. That's what huge corporations do. They swallow up all their competition until you're left with fewer and fewer choices until you can only express your individualism at Amazon, Starbucks, or Wal-Mart. If you want to contribute to the big corporate shoe companies doing that to skateboarding, while taking the power out of skaters' hands, go ahead. That's your individual choice. But I think it's a bad choice.
The whole point of me saying that the individual is so important is because unfortunately we gain and suffer through capitalism. I completely understand what corporations do. And anyone to thinks that they have power in their dollar needs some faith in the economic system so idk why you would even comment on me having faith in capitalism because you’re whole argue is based on that logic. I even said why would I pay 80$ for some adidas Superstar ADVs when I can find superstars on Poshmark for 15$? Should I buy it because it says skateboarding on it? It’s about using what little “power” we have for our own benefit. Because at the end of the day these corporations, which honestly aren’t that much different than whoever owns your favorite “skater owned” companies don’t care about you. They just want your money. It’s one of the many critics of capitalism actually, it’s not like I’m pulling this shit outta my ass lol
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The whole point of me saying that individual is so important is because unfortunately we gain and suffer through capitalism. I completely understand what corporations do. And anyone to thinks that they have power in their dollar needs some faith in the economic system so idk why you would even comment on me having faith in capitalism because you’re whole argue is based on that logic. I even said why would I pay 80$ for some adidas Superstar ADVs when I can find superstars on Poshmark for 15$? Should I buy it because it says skateboarding on it? It’s about using what little “power” we have for our own benefit. Because at the end of the day these corporations, which honestly aren’t that much different than whoever owns your favorite “skater owned” companies don’t care about you. They just want your money. It’s one of the many critics of capitalism actually, it’s not like I’m pulling this shit outta my ass lol
Oh and one more thing, I'm not trying to imply all your arguments suck and you're wrong about everything, for instance this post has a lot of truth in it, so please don't stigmatize my comments too much. In this particular instance, where exactly I stop following you is when you say skater-owned companies don't care and just want your money, I keep finding that's quite insulting to the small operations throughout the globe that do contribute more to their local scene and community than Nike or Adidas ever will, whatever it is they make. Skater-owned is still a reality in 2020, not just talking shoes too, individuals are running cool shit all over the planet, but the most visible names are abusing that term to justify their fossilizing to the point where it indeed starts sounding like a gimmick, and you have to actually look past the hype and consider what exactly it is each singular entity is doing, but I think that's really just basic common sense.
Because someone sets up a brand really doesn't mean they stopped caring about skateboarding the act and culture altogether and are just trying to get the big money now. The greedy do exist (sometimes instantly, sometimes the money stops being a mere means after a while) but they might as well not to me, I'd rather always only consider the ones positively doing cool shit which is easier than ever with Internet access.
Unrelated side note but the argument of how skaters are now finally getting paid too, I don't really get. Lots of skate shoe companies (and skate companies in general) in the 90's/early 00's back when the economy was still circular were actually doing really well in their niche market till Nike came along but only the shady ones who fucked skating over keep getting brought up.
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
You’re points are obvious and more about how I present my ideas and how my personality comes across on the screen. It’s has little to do with the thoughts I’ve took the time to entertain you with. Because you are right, this forum has been a joke lately. I love skateboarding to my core. I don’t wanna get too deep into that kind of stuff because I hate when people try to use those emotions as a tool. But at the end of the day I’m going to skate no matter who’s getting paid, No matter who owns who, or blah blah blah. I will still be skating. Use whatever tools you see fit to continue skating because that is what matters most. At least me it is, and if you don’t think that makes any sense then that’s ok. I’m completely open to new ideas but when what you’re saying strengthens and even sometimes align with what has already been said I have to wonder what are you really taking about then? Because you haven’t added anything that isn’t already implied. Trust me when I say I truly speak from experience. There are way more skaters who don’t work for skate company’s than do and vice versa. And you know what, it doesn’t matter because at the end of the day when it’s time to let someone go it doesn’t matter if you skate. because the system we live is not set up for us to succeed. You have to look out and be aware of what benefits you.Because if you haven’t noticed we don’t have control over much. And if what benefits you is riding X brand then do so without having to worry about what people think of it. I think you are taking it personally if anything my friend because again idk who I’m even typing to. And not just cause of obvious reason but because I am answering this questions without even reading who is sending them. I’m just responding so idk if you have read every single post I’ve made in this thread but I assure you that I have read and responded to everyone with no offense taken by whoever is responding to me. I mentioned the “ attack on my character” because it’s a common thing people do when presented with logic they don’t understand. To have thought that when I said these skater owned companies just want our money meant that some kid making a zine shouldn’t be making money off his passion was either willfully ignorant or just grabbing at low hanging fruit. I do not take any other this personally, what I’m saying is if you don’t agree with me at least say something with substance.
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The whole point of me saying that individual is so important is because unfortunately we gain and suffer through capitalism. I completely understand what corporations do. And anyone to thinks that they have power in their dollar needs some faith in the economic system so idk why you would even comment on me having faith in capitalism because you’re whole argue is based on that logic. I even said why would I pay 80$ for some adidas Superstar ADVs when I can find superstars on Poshmark for 15$? Should I buy it because it says skateboarding on it? It’s about using what little “power” we have for our own benefit. Because at the end of the day these corporations, which honestly aren’t that much different than whoever owns your favorite “skater owned” companies don’t care about you. They just want your money. It’s one of the many critics of capitalism actually, it’s not like I’m pulling this shit outta my ass lol
Oh and one more thing, I'm not trying to imply all your arguments suck and you're wrong about everything, for instance this post has a lot of truth in it, so please don't stigmatize my comments too much. In this particular instance, where exactly I stop following you is when you say skater-owned companies don't care and just want your money, I keep finding that's quite insulting to the small operations throughout the globe that do contribute more to their local scene and community than Nike or Adidas ever will, whatever it is they make. Skater-owned is still a reality in 2020, not just talking shoes too, individuals are running cool shit all over the planet, but the most visible names are abusing that term to justify their fossilizing to the point where it indeed starts sounding like a gimmick, and you have to actually look past the hype and consider what exactly it is each singular entity is doing, but I think that's really just basic common sense.
Because someone sets up a brand really doesn't mean they stopped caring about skateboarding the act and culture altogether and are just trying to get the big money now. The greedy do exist (sometimes instantly, sometimes the money stops being a mere means after a while) but they might as well not to me, I'd rather always only consider the ones positively doing cool shit which is easier than ever with Internet access.
Unrelated side note but the argument of how skaters are now finally getting paid too, I don't really get. Lots of skate shoe companies (and skate companies in general) in the 90's/early 00's back when the economy was still circular were actually doing really well in their niche market till Nike came along but only the shady ones who fucked skating over keep getting brought up.
You’re right but that’s just it, I’m talking shoes. And when it comes to shoes as of right now I will not benefit from spending my money on most “skater owned” footwear brands. To me personally it just doesn’t make sense, most due to the benefit isn’t mutual. Not like it’s mutual anywhere else but to be under the guise of “I am you and you are me and we’re in this together” is a good marketing scheme at best. Call me dark but seems to be the case in my experience.
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The whole point of me saying that individual is so important is because unfortunately we gain and suffer through capitalism. I completely understand what corporations do. And anyone to thinks that they have power in their dollar needs some faith in the economic system so idk why you would even comment on me having faith in capitalism because you’re whole argue is based on that logic. I even said why would I pay 80$ for some adidas Superstar ADVs when I can find superstars on Poshmark for 15$? Should I buy it because it says skateboarding on it? It’s about using what little “power” we have for our own benefit. Because at the end of the day these corporations, which honestly aren’t that much different than whoever owns your favorite “skater owned” companies don’t care about you. They just want your money. It’s one of the many critics of capitalism actually, it’s not like I’m pulling this shit outta my ass lol
Oh and one more thing, I'm not trying to imply all your arguments suck and you're wrong about everything, for instance this post has a lot of truth in it, so please don't stigmatize my comments too much. In this particular instance, where exactly I stop following you is when you say skater-owned companies don't care and just want your money, I keep finding that's quite insulting to the small operations throughout the globe that do contribute more to their local scene and community than Nike or Adidas ever will, whatever it is they make. Skater-owned is still a reality in 2020, not just talking shoes too, individuals are running cool shit all over the planet, but the most visible names are abusing that term to justify their fossilizing to the point where it indeed starts sounding like a gimmick, and you have to actually look past the hype and consider what exactly it is each singular entity is doing, but I think that's really just basic common sense.
Because someone sets up a brand really doesn't mean they stopped caring about skateboarding the act and culture altogether and are just trying to get the big money now. The greedy do exist (sometimes instantly, sometimes the money stops being a mere means after a while) but they might as well not to me, I'd rather always only consider the ones positively doing cool shit which is easier than ever with Internet access.
Unrelated side note but the argument of how skaters are now finally getting paid too, I don't really get. Lots of skate shoe companies (and skate companies in general) in the 90's/early 00's back when the economy was still circular were actually doing really well in their niche market till Nike came along but only the shady ones who fucked skating over keep getting brought up.
Is that the company’s fault or is it a one sided economic system that allows for these things to take place. Also I find it interesting that Ellington can get shoes made in Italy but a bunch of dudes running a skate shoe brand willingly find the most budget factory they can just to increase profit margins. That’s kinda what I’m getting at is if you’re gunna do something for the community then there is a proper way to go about it. It’s very evident when someone is just making a product to fill a sku. Which can be said for anyone company making any product, which is why you should just do what is best for you and not give in the the gimmick
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To have thought that when I said these skater owned companies just want our money meant that some kid making a zine shouldn’t be making money off his passion was either willfully ignorant or just grabbing at low hanging fruit.
No I meant it, it's just interesting to me where you're drawing the line between both worlds. I appreciate you clarifying that you're talking about shoes in particular as 'skater-owned' in general is a concept I think is still valid to this day despite the constant recuperation and abuse of the phrase that makes it hold a lot less water in the public eye. A lot of companies who publicly flaunt that banner really shouldn't be the ones flaunting it (or should we really mourn the death of Numbers as the loss of a 'garage company' - remember that?).
I think it's technically possible to start a shoe company with the exact same visionary drive a different person would put into a mag or clothing or board brand, shoes personally bore the hell out of me but I can see how there is room for creativity in the field, surely the investment required and stakes involved are higher which already filters out many (who would then rather contribute to the culture differently, in maybe more crucial ways too) but I think I can sense what people are trying to achieve with stuff like Proper or State and it's really similar to why others would launch a mag or board company. Of course the deal being bigger the entrepreneur will have to make more serious compromises but some are willing to retain at least some humanity in their operation and keep communication with the average skateboarder their fundamental purpose over making anonymous money. I know I'm mostly talking ideally, though, as the current landscape of shoe companies really is a shitshow and if State wasn't around because its founder had a specific vision for something then I'd have no idea what I would genuinely want to skate. Or even watch when it comes to shoe company videos in general because what else is there, bland commercials like 'Away Days' or 'Album' (please note how I'm including an Etnies video) that look like they were destined to play on loop in malls?
Your point on things being mutual is interesting because maybe that's where our difference lies. I personally don't benefit from anything out of whatever it is Nike, Adidas or Vans produce and if anything they just pollute my landscape by killing every possible alternative, like I've explained before I find their aggressive marketing to be detrimental to the culture the way I personally appreciate it so the relationship is worse than sterile. On the other hand I benefit from State as I genuinely enjoy the direction, team, videos and product, but I can definitely see things get switched around for you if somehow you do positively benefit from corporations.
Besides that, though, everything else you said I'm generally on board with and agree with the basic message of.
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
holy shit can you guys PLEASE just shut the fuck up or DM each other or some shit
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To have thought that when I said these skater owned companies just want our money meant that some kid making a zine shouldn’t be making money off his passion was either willfully ignorant or just grabbing at low hanging fruit.
No I meant it, it's just interesting to me where you're drawing the line between both worlds. I appreciate you clarifying that you're talking about shoes in particular as 'skater-owned' in general is a concept I think is still valid to this day despite the constant recuperation and abuse of the phrase that makes it hold a lot less water in the public eye. A lot of companies who publicly flaunt that banner really shouldn't be the ones flaunting it (or should we really mourn the death of Numbers as the loss of a 'garage company' - remember that?).
I think it's technically possible to start a shoe company with the exact same visionary drive a different person would put into a mag or clothing or board brand, shoes personally bore the hell out of me but I can see how there is room for creativity in the field, surely the investment required and stakes involved are higher which already filters out many (who would then rather contribute to the culture differently, in maybe more crucial ways too) but I think I can sense what people are trying to achieve with stuff like Proper or State and it's really similar to why others would launch a mag or board company. Of course the deal being bigger the entrepreneur will have to make more serious compromises but some are willing to retain at least some humanity in their operation and keep communication with the average skateboarder their fundamental purpose over making anonymous money. I know I'm mostly talking ideally, though, as the current landscape of shoe companies really is a shitshow and if State wasn't around because its founder had a specific vision for something then I'd have no idea what I would genuinely want to skate. Or even watch when it comes to shoe company videos in general because what else is there, bland commercials like 'Away Days' or 'Album' (please note how I'm including an Etnies video) that look like they were destined to play on loop in malls?
Your point on things being mutual is interesting because maybe that's where our difference lies. I personally don't benefit from anything out of whatever it is Nike, Adidas or Vans produce and if anything they just pollute my landscape by killing every possible alternative, like I've explained before I find their aggressive marketing to be detrimental to the culture the way I personally appreciate it so the relationship is worse than sterile. On the other hand I benefit from State as I genuinely enjoy the direction, team, videos and product, but I can definitely see things get switched around for you if somehow you do positively benefit from corporations.
Besides that, though, everything else you said I'm generally on board with and agree with the basic message of.
I have never stated that I benefit from corporations, my point is actual that there is little to no benefit from whoever you choose to support and to use your money to invest in yourself. If state ended tomorrow all of those riders you and I both admire will end up skating in whatever they seem fit for themselves as individuals. The only reason they even have a team is for marketing purposes. To influence you into buy buying the gear. I personally do not care for most skateboard marketing no matter who owns the company. Most of it comes of as bland or predictable. What excites me and gets me wanting a pair of kicks is looking back at the old skate videos like watching Clyde singleton skate in some Suedes. Or Pete Eldridge in Shell toes. Have you seen that photo of Gino doing a hardflip in Air Force ones? That shit is timeless. That’s why I’ve said that we influence them, because we already adopted their tools and repurposed it as our own, we make them cool. I don’t need adidas skateboarding but I also know where to find quality tools for my skateboarding when I need them. And you should do the same, make your own decisions on what works best for you with out having to enter a debate on which is the right or wrong choice. But to ignore clear difference between quality is still baffling. I can assure you 100% that the owner of whatever skater owned company will tell you that their product is not on par with some of the other competitors that’s been supply the market for decades because of Capitalism, and if this is a critic on Capitalism then we’re gunna be here all day
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
holy shit can you guys PLEASE just shut the fuck up or DM each other or some shit
If you don’t want to read it move on lol who are u to control how people communicate? Very interesting
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
holy shit can you guys PLEASE just shut the fuck up or DM each other or some shit
Would you like to add to the conversation? This is a forum after all
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
holy shit can you guys PLEASE just shut the fuck up or DM each other or some shit
Exactly. It's a forum. You two hijacked it. Relax
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Maybe because I just can grasp what you’re trying to say friend. It’s ok, but you did try to come at my character and now you’re trying to make it seem like you’re just trying to shoot the shit. Every response you youve made has been mostly incoherent and doesn’t really bring much to the conversation at hand. But I do respect your opinion hence why I’ve read every single word you’ve written. Ive never said that skaters shouldn’t start businesses or that they should blindly follow “catchphrases”. I’ve actually been saying the exact opposite of that so again I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. At the end of the day you, the individual is what matters the most. If there is anything anyone can take away from what I written in this god forsaken thread is that the individual and their sovereignty is the most important thing in, dare I say, THE WORLD! Now go out there and be you! ;D
Again asking open questions on a forum isn't coming at someone's character, and again you're distorting my words like I'm talking specifically about you and questioning your personal logic when I honestly don't care and am trying to speak in general. Bit on the catchphrases even had a disclaimer originally that I ended up deleting as I thought you wouldn't need it. I'm not even trying to argue with you personally, it's just a calm discussion (albeit lengthy), not a boxing ring.
Although I will say I love it when you say my responses have been incoherent when I've been stating cold hard facts you just don't like hearing or just hadn't heard of before regarding some specific practices from the big names and you've been carefully dancing around every one of them to instead bring up the big great concept of individuality every time like that's a magic spell. To be honest in general I really don't like it when such big great concepts become a marketing tool, and illusory freedom and happiness is exactly what most merchants in the world rely on, even when what they're pushing is something purely material and occasionally stupid like shoes. In the end I still don't know what you think about that impact on the culture I was just describing (if you even care) and about all the more sincere, smaller personal enterprises being killed and people losing jobs.
Now there's one thing I have to specify (I have on here before but you most likely never saw it), it's that living in the past praising outdated social and industrial models generally sucks (which is why I make it a point not to think in boxes and instead try and remain critical of singular facts no matter where they originate from), and in reality those corporations also currently provide jobs to countless skateboarders who genuinely believe in the strength of what it is they're doing, and really more power to those guys sweating it hard for what they think is skateboarding when it's really just for their employer (a dichotomy many feel on the daily, trust me), it's a filter on the people's voices to begin with and then a constant hassle to have to align with the direction of a select few entities in order to even have a chance of making any money from skating that way. It's like having a passion for pizza and somehow aspiring to work at Domino's only to be told to wear a uniform and cut your hair.
Also, the doctor you're referring to I actually had to visit several times upon developing bursitis in both feet from skating a bunch of Adidas shoes in a row that were mere cardboard years ago, and tendinitis again in both feet from skating Sk8-Hi's (what a scam of a product), so I actually get you on how most so-called skate shoes are in fact atrocious for the body, I just never got that from State and that has nothing to do with whether they're skater-owned. Different experiences are real.
Honestly it pains me a little to see you take every observation and turn of this conversation with me as a personal challenge. I actually appreciate you taking time out of your day to discuss all kinds of things skating on here, I always wish this place had more actual skate talk and less gossip. But coming on a public forum, by definition you have to be prepared for people to challenge your vision the same way you seem excited challenge theirs, it's the nature of the place (and a precious opportunity) to expose you to different opinions and in the end, always a good reminder that everyone shits with their pants down regardless of their experience in the field and that no one owns the truth. Joining a message board expecting a one-way act is delusional.
holy shit can you guys PLEASE just shut the fuck up or DM each other or some shit
Exactly. It's a forum. You two hijacked it. Relax
Not hijacked. I am not stopping anyone from posting on this tread, I’m just replying to the multiple people who’ve responded to me. Is that bad?Interesting that you used the word Hijacked, is it because you just don’t like what’s being discussed? What are we hindering you from posting?
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I have never stated that I benefit from corporations, my point is actual that there is little to no benefit from whoever you choose to support and to use your money to invest in yourself. If state ended tomorrow all of those riders you and I both admire will end up skating in whatever they seem fit for themselves as individuals. The only reason they even have a team is for marketing purposes. To influence you into buy buying the gear. I personally do not care for most skateboard marketing no matter who owns the company. Most of it comes of as bland or predictable. What excites me and gets me wanting a pair of kicks is looking back at the old skate videos like watching Clyde singleton skate in some Suedes. Or Pete Eldridge in Shell toes. Have you seen that photo of Gino doing a hardflip in Air Force ones? That shit is timeless. That’s why I’ve said that we influence them, because we already adopted their tools and repurposed it as our own, we make them cool. I don’t need adidas skateboarding but I also know where to find quality tools for my skateboarding when I need them. And you should do the same, make your own decisions on what works best for you with out having to enter a debate on which is the right or wrong choice. But to ignore clear difference between quality is still baffling. I can assure you 100% that the owner of whatever skater owned company will tell you that their product is not on par with some of the other competitors that’s been supply the market for decades because of Capitalism, and if this is a critic on Capitalism then we’re gunna be here all day
I'm sorry to hear you're baffled about my experience but if something ignored the difference in quality it was my body, I'm not making it up that I had my feet destroyed by certain Adidas (including several Gonz shoes), the only one I have good memories of is the early Busenitz for Adidas (and honestly I pay so little attention to branding I'm not even sure they were Busenitz's in retrospect), but then again Vans, Huf and Lakai also trashed my feet (as much as I really wanted to get into the last two, that was a long time ago though and I've long given up). In the early to mid 00's I also resented Sole Tech a lot for putting out clearly bullshit product that would not only hurt my feet but also fall apart in three sessions, and then the new competition was useful here as it forced them to step their game back up eventually. To this day I'm not into Sole Tech but their product has gotten a lot better over the past decade or so and I'd definitely skate a pair of éS over a pair of Vans.
I think this whole time I've been reacting to your posts in particular because we seem to have the same disenchanted approach of this whole set-up of an industry after going through certain experiences, except we tackle it from what appears to be a different side, but we're really saying the same shit (also a common trope in the resolution of online conversations). So it was interesting hearing your point of view, now I think our difference lies in that you sound like you've given up more hope in people trying to do things in skateboarding than I did, I know dozens of small company owners who genuinely live through their operation as a passion I'd rather feed than anonymous mouths who won't ever do shit for me or my scene until we open an altar of a store for them.
Also, the reason why they have a team is for marketing purposes, technically that's right, except some entrepreneurs still try and be considerate, coherent and creative in the constitution of said team as part of their whole vision for the direction of their brand, which usually results in more interesting and palatable video outputs than the skate equivalent to ejaculation compilations. Your team is your message to the world and I find it way more uplifting to see State putting out clips essentially promoting urban exploration done exceptionally well and emphasizing on creativity than Nike crash-test dummies playing Evil Knievel for a comfortable living, which won't inspire nearly as much in the new generations of kids but consuming a certain product.
There's also one thing I can't really get behind when you say you dig classic photos and footage where people skated Nikes or Adidas because you'd read some authenticity in that (from what I think I've understood at least), now I love seeing authenticity in skate footage too but this is 2020 and now that footage is being manufactured to bear Nike logos I get the same thrill for seeing people skate in different shit. The form is the same so maybe it evokes some sweet nostalgia in you but the reality is different now that those brands have taken over and essentially rule the industry; the norm and the exception have been switched around. I know I can no longer stand watching a lot of big name skate videos because of the obnoxious amount of big logos on every skater's feet that only screams how every trick in the video was worth this much money. Plus, and again, what I appreciate in those videos is the skateboarding and not the shoes on the person's feet. I get that aesthetics are also part of the message but what I find substantial in a skate video is too pure to have anything to do with any form of branding.
But I do understand your choices and barely ever meant to turn this into a debate, again. Thanks for taking the time to have this sincere discussion.
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I have never stated that I benefit from corporations, my point is actual that there is little to no benefit from whoever you choose to support and to use your money to invest in yourself. If state ended tomorrow all of those riders you and I both admire will end up skating in whatever they seem fit for themselves as individuals. The only reason they even have a team is for marketing purposes. To influence you into buy buying the gear. I personally do not care for most skateboard marketing no matter who owns the company. Most of it comes of as bland or predictable. What excites me and gets me wanting a pair of kicks is looking back at the old skate videos like watching Clyde singleton skate in some Suedes. Or Pete Eldridge in Shell toes. Have you seen that photo of Gino doing a hardflip in Air Force ones? That shit is timeless. That’s why I’ve said that we influence them, because we already adopted their tools and repurposed it as our own, we make them cool. I don’t need adidas skateboarding but I also know where to find quality tools for my skateboarding when I need them. And you should do the same, make your own decisions on what works best for you with out having to enter a debate on which is the right or wrong choice. But to ignore clear difference between quality is still baffling. I can assure you 100% that the owner of whatever skater owned company will tell you that their product is not on par with some of the other competitors that’s been supply the market for decades because of Capitalism, and if this is a critic on Capitalism then we’re gunna be here all day
I'm sorry to hear you're baffled about my experience but if something ignored the difference in quality it was my body, I'm not making it up that I had my feet destroyed by certain Adidas (including several Gonz shoes), the only one I have good memories of is the early Busenitz for Adidas (and honestly I pay so little attention to branding I'm not even sure they were Busenitz's in retrospect), but then again Vans, Huf and Lakai also trashed my feet (as much as I really wanted to get into the last two, that was a long time ago though and I've long given up). In the early to mid 00's I also resented Sole Tech a lot for putting out clearly bullshit product that would not only hurt my feet but also fall apart in three sessions, and then the new competition was useful here as it forced them to step their game back up eventually. To this day I'm not into Sole Tech but their product has gotten a lot better over the past decade or so and I'd definitely skate a pair of éS over a pair of Vans.
I think this whole time I've been reacting to your posts in particular because we seem to have the same disenchanted approach of this whole set-up of an industry after going through certain experiences, except we tackle it from what appears to be a different side, but we're really saying the same shit (also a common trope in the resolution of online conversations). So it was interesting hearing your point of view, now I think our difference lies in that you sound like you've given up more hope in people trying to do things in skateboarding than I did, I know dozens of small company owners who genuinely live through their operation as a passion I'd rather feed than anonymous mouths who won't ever do shit for me or my scene until we open an altar of a store for them.
Also, the reason why they have a team is for marketing purposes, technically that's right, except some entrepreneurs still try and be considerate, coherent and creative in the constitution of said team as part of their whole vision for the direction of their brand, which usually results in more interesting and palatable video outputs than the skate equivalent to ejaculation compilations. Your team is your message to the world and I find it way more uplifting to see State putting out clips essentially promoting urban exploration done exceptionally well and emphasizing on creativity than Nike crash-test dummies playing Evil Knievel for a comfortable living, which won't inspire nearly as much in the new generations of kids but consuming a certain product.
There's also one thing I can't really get behind when you say you dig classic photos and footage where people skated Nikes or Adidas because you'd read some authenticity in that (from what I think I've understood at least), now I love seeing authenticity in skate footage too but this is 2020 and now that footage is being manufactured to bear Nike logos I get the same thrill for seeing people skate in different shit. The form is the same so maybe it evokes some sweet nostalgia in you but the reality is different now that those brands have taken over and essentially rule the industry; the norm and the exception have been switched around. I know I can no longer stand watching a lot of big name skate videos because of the obnoxious amount of big logos on every skater's feet that only screams how every trick in the video was worth this much money. Plus, and again, what I appreciate in those videos is the skateboarding and not the shoes on the person's feet. I get that aesthetics are also part of the message but what I find substantial in a skate video is too pure to have anything to do with any form of branding.
But I do understand your choices and barely ever meant to turn this into a debate, again. Thanks for taking the time to have this sincere discussion.
Word you’re right, different peeps have different feets lol
When I mention my nostalgia for the old videos, to me it’s not a promotion of the brand. It’s realizing that you can create your own meaning for things and objects. I don’t think Adidas is sick cause Pepe Martinez. It’s more of, Damn look at what this dude has taken from his surroundings and made it his own. So much so that it inspires me to look at my surroundings differently. It’s similar to graffiti in that aspect, talking ownership of a space and putting your mark on it. I totally agree when it comes to the marketing strategies most of these companies. They are just trying to bootleg the Karma they’ve gotten in the past. They’ve seen how skaters can influence others to do things so they try to replicate it for a buck but it just comes off corny. Skate shoe companies are even more at fault then the corporations when it comes to commodifying skateboarding to sell to the general public imo. Look at Etnies for instance, with their crazy mall shoes that are clearly not targeted to skater but to those who think skating is on trend. But can you blame them? I mean they need to make a buck right? And I also appreciate your thoughts and time.
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Reading comments above it seems kids today want to click a link in noras story that takes you to an adidas online shop.
I’m sure adidas executives want that as well. It cuts out having to mail to skate shops and they make mor e profit selling direct to customer from
Wholesale price.
Corporations have been farming us for awhile
except shops pay for shipping
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I never believed the superior quality argument that people tout in regards to brands like Adidas, Nike etc. I’ve had Nike and Converse shoes and they were not any better than any ‘core’ brand shoes I had. In fact, the Converse bagged out instantly and I had to retire them so if anything they were worse than ‘core’ brands. The Nike’s were too floppy out of the box so I only skated them once. There is no Adidas shoe that fits my foot - at least I haven’t found one yet. All far too narrow and no good for my flat foot. I wouldn’t want to wear Adidas anyway so no big loss.
I’m always baffled when I hear people say they had a consistently bad experience with anything Sole Tech because I’ve been skating those shoes for the last decade and they always feel amazing.
The shoes that consistently feel like garbage to me when trying them on in the shop are Vans and NB# (especially NB).