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Title: Investing?
Post by: mongopushingmallgraber on April 15, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
With the market on its way down, do you guys plan on investing in stocks or buying property? IDK i wanna hear your guys's imput  :P
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Post by: lazer69 on April 15, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
If I wasnt unemployed and living off savings I would.
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Post by: Joe Davola on April 15, 2020, 02:41:17 PM
If I were you, I would definitely act upon everything to be mentioned in this thread... IMMEDIATELY.
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Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on April 15, 2020, 04:58:31 PM
Yep.
Putting my stimulus fund in Vanguard ETF.
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on April 15, 2020, 07:36:04 PM
I'd be putting it in SPY if I didn't have a vehicle to pay off.
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Post by: Chatbot on April 16, 2020, 10:21:39 AM
Everyone and their mother talking about stocks... time to sell
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Post by: lampshade on April 16, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
If you don't know what you're doing or don't want to put in the research hours, get yourself an advisor you trust.  We've had ours for about ten years and she is solid.  A good advisor won't make you, "Wolf of Wall Street" rich overnight, but they will move your assets around in accordance with the market and set you up for the long term.  ETFs are normally the way to go with a flyer here or there. 
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Post by: TheLurper on April 16, 2020, 01:43:23 PM
Let's get some Wall Street Bets of SLAP going here.

Who is going to the first to put their life savings into a super risky investment? Who will be our first millionaire and who will lose it all?


As a side note, I'm super dumb and betting on the Russian Ruble and the Canadian dollar gaining strength after this is all over. However, this is long term since the price of oil needs to go up and it'll be a while until the market is no longer flooded with way more oil than we can consume. (And, sadly this is a bet against the environment and green energy, which bums me out.)
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Post by: theresnothinghere on April 16, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.
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Post by: Sila on April 16, 2020, 09:02:07 PM
I don't have any idea about this stuff but I feel like it's time to learn. Where do I start?
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 16, 2020, 11:37:33 PM
My advice would be invest in businesses you like and ones you see as beneficial to society then if your gamble doesn't pay off you can at least feel good about backing the companies you like.

This shit is just gambling though in my opinion I'd rather bet on sports and I don't do that either
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Post by: weon on April 17, 2020, 10:20:45 PM
how would one go about investing in the bidet industry? asking for a friend
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on April 17, 2020, 10:29:06 PM
how would one go about investing in the bidet industry? asking for a friend

By finding a publicy traded company that makes bidets and then using something like RobinHood to buy shares.
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Post by: Dad_Brains on April 17, 2020, 11:37:31 PM
With the market on its way down, do you guys plan on investing in stocks or buying property? IDK i wanna hear your guys's imput  :P

A few more rental properties to add to the portfolio and hopefully a section over at the mountain so I can build a winter house in time for next years winter season. I’m in New Zealand though so might be different wherever you are.
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Post by: duster1 on April 17, 2020, 11:39:59 PM
All My Life I’ve Had One Dream, To Achieve My Many Goals
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 01:32:27 AM
 ::)
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 01:33:05 AM
 ;D
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 01:34:06 AM
 ;)
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Post by: Mouth on April 18, 2020, 06:39:07 AM
Are you OK?

Investing in depressed markets doesn't just make money for investors. It helps stop the depression from getting worse.


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Post by: Dad_Brains on April 18, 2020, 02:15:19 PM
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With the market on its way down, do you guys plan on investing in stocks or buying property? IDK i wanna hear your guys's imput  :P
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A few more rental properties to add to the portfolio and hopefully a section over at the mountain so I can build a winter house in time for next years winter season. I’m in New Zealand though so might be different wherever you are.
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People who do this kinda thing are disgusting and should commit suicide

Ah your one of those people. Can’t get ahead in life and blames it on everyone else so tries to cut down anyone who is willing to try and get ahead and put their money on the line. I guess I should apologise for buying houses no one else wants (no other bidders at my last two auctions) and have been empty for a while, then doing them up and renting them at under market value so people can live in them. I could see how that would make you angry...

Just go back to complaining about your government not giving you money quick enough rather than trying to do something about your situation.

Also I lived in Canada for a couple years and you never found me then nor did you kill me. I guess you can’t even get that right.
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 03:50:15 PM
 8)
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 03:51:01 PM
 ???
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 03:52:44 PM
 :-X
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
 ::)
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 04:01:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rrS7mLC.jpg)
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
 :-X
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 04:04:29 PM

Just go back to complaining about your government not giving you money quick enough

Gladly
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
 :o
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 18, 2020, 04:33:57 PM
 :)
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Post by: JudoOrigami on April 20, 2020, 11:07:00 AM
 :-X
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Post by: Chatbot on September 11, 2020, 09:12:32 AM
I'm a rookie who wants to start buying cheap stock. Should I just open a Charles Schwab or E-Trade type account?

All brokers offer free trades/ no minimums now so they are all more or less the same. I can vouch for Schwab, TD Ameritrade and Robinhood.
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Post by: rawr1922 on September 11, 2020, 12:45:10 PM
Thank you Chatbot.
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Post by: G raham on September 12, 2020, 10:04:42 PM
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Post by: pugmaster on September 12, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
So Dave Ramsey seems to be a person who gives much advice in personal finance. I don't exactly agree with his 1 size fits all approach to finance.  Are there others who find flaws in his "steps" or is it just me?
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Post by: igrindtwinkies on September 12, 2020, 11:31:20 PM
So Dave Ramsey seems to be a person who gives much advice in personal finance. I don't exactly agree with his 1 size fits all approach to finance.  Are there others who find flaws in his "steps" or is it just me?

His personal finance stuff is good.  His investing stuff, not so much.  He recommends investing in mutual funds which are typically outperformed by index funds.
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Post by: pugmaster on September 22, 2020, 06:40:15 PM
UPDATE: Dave Ramsey is a Pug man. I hope this information soothes you as it has soothed me.

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Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on September 28, 2020, 07:28:45 PM
Wanted to share first experience dealing with stocks. Charles Schwab legit & perfect for rookies like myself. Recently bought 10 shares of Nikola @ $30/share. Held high hopes + expectations for this hydrogen fuel cell start up auto company. GM invested 2 billion & Republic Services (2nd largest trash company) held an agreement with Nikola to supply dump trucks in a couple years. Their consumer truck The Badger looked fantastic with good stats set to release next year. 
As soon as I invested, scandal around the corner. Allegations of fraud , the ceo/founder leaving the company , & seems like every week a new negative event brought up in the news. As soon as things went south, sold asap. Luckily only lost $40 in all .Stock trading at $19/share now. Pretty bummed, thought this company gonna be legit. Fun experience checking stock price every morning.   Long before  I invested, Nikola traded as high as $90 back in June. 
 
Also recently read a book about Theranos called Bad Blood. Quick overview if you haven't heard,  Elizabeth Holmes claimed to create super innovative blood test machine that only requires a few drops of blood. Complete fraud. She fooled so many people, investors , gvt officials, & even Walgreens to sign a big contract. Shes actually in the early phase of her trial right now. Just blows my mind after Enron, all this fraud still happening today on a huge scale.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: GardenSkater77 on September 28, 2020, 08:12:42 PM
Wanted to share first experience dealing with stocks. Charles Schwab legit & perfect for rookies like myself. Recently bought 10 shares of Nikola @ $30/share. Held high hopes + expectations for this hydrogen fuel cell start up auto company. GM invested 2 billion & Republic Services (2nd largest trash company) held an agreement with Nikola to supply dump trucks in a couple years. Their consumer truck The Badger looked fantastic with good stats set to release next year. 
As soon as I invested, scandal around the corner. Allegations of fraud , the ceo/founder leaving the company , & seems like every week a new negative event brought up in the news. As soon as things went south, sold asap. Luckily only lost $40 in all .Stock trading at $19/share now. Pretty bummed, thought this company gonna be legit. Fun experience checking stock price every morning.   Long before  I invested, Nikola traded as high as $90 back in June. 
 
Also recently read a book about Theranos called Bad Blood. Quick overview if you haven't heard,  Elizabeth Holmes claimed to create super innovative blood test machine that only requires a few drops of blood. Complete fraud. She fooled so many people, investors , gvt officials, & even Walgreens to sign a big contract. Shes actually in the early phase of her trial right now. Just blows my mind after Enron, all this fraud still happening today on a huge scale.

No idea what you are looking at. Take 90% of your savings and dump it into Vanguard Total Stock Market Admiral Shares:

https://investor.vanguard.com/mutual-funds/profile/overview/vtsax

If it’s good enough for Warren Buffet it’s good enough for Rawr1922.

The 10% you don’t invest in a mutual fund you can gamble with.

If your job has a matching 401k even better.

I’m tryin’ to stack cheddah like Evan Hernandez. Come join me on the tarmac for a bottle of Cristal.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on September 29, 2020, 12:43:11 AM
Thanks for recommendation Garden Skater!  Vanguard appears legit especially for long term gains. Have a 401K account from an old job thinking about transferring to vanguard.  Just let money sit then grow over the decades. Sounds nice.
 
We have to wear Human Recreational Services loafers if we gonna chill on the tarmac. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on September 29, 2020, 09:46:14 AM
Wanted to share first experience dealing with stocks. Charles Schwab legit & perfect for rookies like myself. Recently bought 10 shares of Nikola @ $30/share. Held high hopes + expectations for this hydrogen fuel cell start up auto company. GM invested 2 billion & Republic Services (2nd largest trash company) held an agreement with Nikola to supply dump trucks in a couple years. Their consumer truck The Badger looked fantastic with good stats set to release next year. 
As soon as I invested, scandal around the corner. Allegations of fraud , the ceo/founder leaving the company , & seems like every week a new negative event brought up in the news. As soon as things went south, sold asap. Luckily only lost $40 in all .Stock trading at $19/share now. Pretty bummed, thought this company gonna be legit. Fun experience checking stock price every morning.   Long before  I invested, Nikola traded as high as $90 back in June. 
 
Also recently read a book about Theranos called Bad Blood. Quick overview if you haven't heard,  Elizabeth Holmes claimed to create super innovative blood test machine that only requires a few drops of blood. Complete fraud. She fooled so many people, investors , gvt officials, & even Walgreens to sign a big contract. Shes actually in the early phase of her trial right now. Just blows my mind after Enron, all this fraud still happening today on a huge scale.


Going off what Garden Skate said, since you already have Schwab account you don't have to open a new account with Vangaurd if you don't want to. Schwab has their equivalent versions of whatever funds Vanguard offers. You just need to research and pick what funds your interested in, e.g. S&P500 index, large cap index, small cap, a target date, etc.

I'm just curious though, you saw Nikola at $90 in June, what made you think that investing at $30 three months later was a good idea? Especially since the price pretty much did already did a 7x from May - June. Chart looks like a classic PnD. Since you didn't lose much it's a good learning experience for sure but I bet alot of people got burned on that.

Speaking of Bad Blood. You just reminded me that I should probably start reading it as it has been sitting on my self unopened for a year now.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 14, 2020, 10:21:24 AM
If you don't know what you're doing or don't want to put in the research hours, get yourself an advisor you trust.  We've had ours for about ten years and she is solid.  A good advisor won't make you, "Wolf of Wall Street" rich overnight, but they will move your assets around in accordance with the market and set you up for the long term.  ETFs are normally the way to go with a flyer here or there.

Bump, I know bumping an old thread is like shouting into a void sometimes but I just wanted to ask -- I've been thinking about finding an advisor myself but some finance authors say that they're expensive and unnecessary. Yours is obviously working for you, did you try to do research yourself but found that an advisor is way more helpful and worth the cost? I honestly don't know whether to do it all myself or to go through an advisor. I'm reading books and trying to educate myself more but it feels overwhelming at times.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Telly on November 14, 2020, 11:45:43 AM
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If you don't know what you're doing or don't want to put in the research hours, get yourself an advisor you trust.  We've had ours for about ten years and she is solid.  A good advisor won't make you, "Wolf of Wall Street" rich overnight, but they will move your assets around in accordance with the market and set you up for the long term.  ETFs are normally the way to go with a flyer here or there.
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Bump, I know bumping an old thread is like shouting into a void sometimes but I just wanted to ask -- I've been thinking about finding an advisor myself but some finance authors say that they're expensive and unnecessary. Yours is obviously working for you, did you try to do research yourself but found that an advisor is way more helpful and worth the cost? I honestly don't know whether to do it all myself or to go through an advisor. I'm reading books and trying to educate myself more but it feels overwhelming at times.

You can text mr Ed Mickey Taylor.  He’s super smart
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 14, 2020, 01:52:29 PM
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If you don't know what you're doing or don't want to put in the research hours, get yourself an advisor you trust.  We've had ours for about ten years and she is solid.  A good advisor won't make you, "Wolf of Wall Street" rich overnight, but they will move your assets around in accordance with the market and set you up for the long term.  ETFs are normally the way to go with a flyer here or there.
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805 - 953 - 8938

Bump, I know bumping an old thread is like shouting into a void sometimes but I just wanted to ask -- I've been thinking about finding an advisor myself but some finance authors say that they're expensive and unnecessary. Yours is obviously working for you, did you try to do research yourself but found that an advisor is way more helpful and worth the cost? I honestly don't know whether to do it all myself or to go through an advisor. I'm reading books and trying to educate myself more but it feels overwhelming at times.
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You can text mr Ed Mickey Taylor.  He’s super smart

I tried but he sent me an automated message to add my contact info to some website before he could reply. Looks like I'll be missing out on the wisely ol' seer's trove of insight.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on November 15, 2020, 04:19:48 PM
With talks of another shutdown, anything worth investing in?
CVS?
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Post by: Coastal Fever on January 12, 2021, 02:42:00 AM
Bump.  Been doing tons of research the past few days about how to get started, and have learned a lot, but still feel like I’m at square one.  Looked into Bitcoin but the two main trading apps for it, Binance and Coinbase, have either been flooded with bad reviews recently or just seem over complicated for a newbie like me.  Looked into Wealthsimple as a trading platform, and while they seem super legit, I’m still a little wary about throwing out my SSN. 

Also considering trading through my bank, but not sure if it’s worth the extra cost vs using an app.  I know there’s countless ways to go about it, I just don’t know which to choose.  I only want to put a couple hundred into something with good long term growth, like the S&P or ARKK or something similar to get my foot in the door, then eventually get more involved.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: essal on January 12, 2021, 05:55:55 AM
I use Crypto.com for my crypto currency investing.
Currently up roughly 100% since I started (included yesterdays heavy drop), I have some Bitcoin, Etherium and Elrond.

The funds I have via my bank are up 1.7% in comparison during the same time period.

I'll probably continue to put more money into "safe" crypto like Bitcoin than more into my funds. Even the payoff on high risk funds is extremely low in comparison to worst case long term Bitcoin estimates.
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Post by: ungzilla on January 12, 2021, 06:08:35 AM
i'm going all in on tulip bulbs
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Post by: GardenSkater77 on January 12, 2021, 06:31:38 AM
i'm going all in on tulip bulbs

Diversify your bulbs digga’.
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Post by: the hilarious owen wilson on January 12, 2021, 07:08:27 AM
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i'm going all in on tulip bulbs
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Diversify your bulbs digga’.
i'm going all in on land. if you've got water and soil you can sustain yourself. there are conveniences and other things you can't DIY so i'm looking to get into crypto and i couldn't find their stock number but Gab is liable to go through the roof after the conservative purge on twitter and fb. other than that, i don't have any hot stocks to recommend.
but land, if the dollar holds value, you can flip it. finite resource and all that.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: fredgallSOTY on January 12, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
investing aint hellride brah
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Post by: Sluggloaph on January 12, 2021, 09:59:57 AM
I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.
Focus on water. It's really easy research and a lot is pretty affordable. But if you got Hella skill American water works, but it's pricey.

Also yeah backin the pals with the etf jawns.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 12, 2021, 11:45:45 AM
Bump.  Been doing tons of research the past few days about how to get started, and have learned a lot, but still feel like I’m at square one.  Looked into Bitcoin but the two main trading apps for it, Binance and Coinbase, have either been flooded with bad reviews recently or just seem over complicated for a newbie like me.  Looked into Wealthsimple as a trading platform, and while they seem super legit, I’m still a little wary about throwing out my SSN. 

Also considering trading through my bank, but not sure if it’s worth the extra cost vs using an app.  I know there’s countless ways to go about it, I just don’t know which to choose.  I only want to put a couple hundred into something with good long term growth, like the S&P or ARKK or something similar to get my foot in the door, then eventually get more involved.

Since you're just getting started, I'd suggest Cashapp for BTC. Instant buys and withdrawals. Once you get more into it, check out legit exchanges such as Coinbase Pro, Gemini, Kraken, etc. if you want to move into other cryptos and divesify.

Robinhood is super simple for stocks too. I wouldn't suggest keeping long term holds on there though. Use a legit brokerage if you want to build up long term investments. Schwab, TD, Fidelity, etc. are all easy to sign up and get started.

Every legit brokerage requires personal information to sign up and there are no ways around it (for traditional investing).

Look into opening a Roth IRA if your looking to build a long term, tax advantaged investment for retirement. I max mine out every year with a target date index fund that pretty much tracks the S&P growth. When I retire, I won't pay any tax on the gains.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: the hilarious owen wilson on January 12, 2021, 02:45:02 PM
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Bump.  Been doing tons of research the past few days about how to get started, and have learned a lot, but still feel like I’m at square one.  Looked into Bitcoin but the two main trading apps for it, Binance and Coinbase, have either been flooded with bad reviews recently or just seem over complicated for a newbie like me.  Looked into Wealthsimple as a trading platform, and while they seem super legit, I’m still a little wary about throwing out my SSN. 

Also considering trading through my bank, but not sure if it’s worth the extra cost vs using an app.  I know there’s countless ways to go about it, I just don’t know which to choose.  I only want to put a couple hundred into something with good long term growth, like the S&P or ARKK or something similar to get my foot in the door, then eventually get more involved.
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Since you're just getting started, I'd suggest Cashapp for BTC. Instant buys and withdrawals. Once you get more into it, check out legit exchanges such as Coinbase Pro, Gemini, Kraken, etc. if you want to move into other cryptos and divesify.

Robinhood is super simple for stocks too. I wouldn't suggest keeping long term holds on there though. Use a legit brokerage if you want to build up long term investments. Schwab, TD, Fidelity, etc. are all easy to sign up and get started.

Every legit brokerage requires personal information to sign up and there are no ways around it (for traditional investing).

Look into opening a Roth IRA if your looking to build a long term, tax advantaged investment for retirement. I max mine out every year with a target date index fund that pretty much tracks the S&P growth. When I retire, I won't pay any tax on the gains.
what's wrong w/ longterm investments in robin hood?
what about sofi?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Gary Bucket on January 12, 2021, 04:58:58 PM
Browns +410 moneyline is looking great right now and Bucs Saints to hit the over should be a fun way to cap off the weekend. stocks are a gamble and unless youre in front of the ticker all day doing shorts its a waste of time.

do a yearly christmas savings account and work for a company that matches the shit out of your retirement in a nice safe target date portfolio. best short to long term investment is buying property
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 13, 2021, 01:06:37 AM
Anyone else throw money into some bullshit cryptocurrency and lose the password? I have some ripple sitting in a wallet that will never be used. Whoops. I thought me and the ex wrote down all the info correctly but apparently not.

Like the rest of the made up currencies it is worthless but man it'll suck if that shit is worth real money in 5 to 10 years and I'm sitting on a few million that I can't access.

As for the real stock market, this shit feels like a casino.

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 13, 2021, 06:06:59 AM
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Bump.  Been doing tons of research the past few days about how to get started, and have learned a lot, but still feel like I’m at square one.  Looked into Bitcoin but the two main trading apps for it, Binance and Coinbase, have either been flooded with bad reviews recently or just seem over complicated for a newbie like me.  Looked into Wealthsimple as a trading platform, and while they seem super legit, I’m still a little wary about throwing out my SSN. 

Also considering trading through my bank, but not sure if it’s worth the extra cost vs using an app.  I know there’s countless ways to go about it, I just don’t know which to choose.  I only want to put a couple hundred into something with good long term growth, like the S&P or ARKK or something similar to get my foot in the door, then eventually get more involved.
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Since you're just getting started, I'd suggest Cashapp for BTC. Instant buys and withdrawals. Once you get more into it, check out legit exchanges such as Coinbase Pro, Gemini, Kraken, etc. if you want to move into other cryptos and divesify.

Robinhood is super simple for stocks too. I wouldn't suggest keeping long term holds on there though. Use a legit brokerage if you want to build up long term investments. Schwab, TD, Fidelity, etc. are all easy to sign up and get started.

Every legit brokerage requires personal information to sign up and there are no ways around it (for traditional investing).

Look into opening a Roth IRA if your looking to build a long term, tax advantaged investment for retirement. I max mine out every year with a target date index fund that pretty much tracks the S&P growth. When I retire, I won't pay any tax on the gains.
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what's wrong w/ longterm investments in robin hood?
what about sofi?

Nothing is wrong with Robinhood. I guess it's more of an opinion to have a large sum of money stored on a broker whose been around longer.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 13, 2021, 06:08:52 AM
Anyone else throw money into some bullshit cryptocurrency and lose the password? I have some ripple sitting in a wallet that will never be used. Whoops. I thought me and the ex wrote down all the info correctly but apparently not.

Like the rest of the made up currencies it is worthless but man it'll suck if that shit is worth real money in 5 to 10 years and I'm sitting on a few million that I can't access.

As for the real stock market, this shit feels like a casino.

Ripple recently got into a lawsuit with the SEC haha
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Coastal Fever on January 13, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
Yeah it would really suck to end up like that dude who’s sitting on 234m worth of Bitcoin, but can’t remember his password and has two tries left or he loses it.

I ended up getting Wealthsimple Invest for a roboadvised ETF and Wealthsimple Trade for Bitcoin, since I’m in Canada and WS seems to be well regarded for beginners here.  Just threw $50 in each to start and get a feel for things, before getting into active trading and cold wallets and all that jazz.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: tension on January 13, 2021, 08:51:42 AM
Ive looked at a few store fronts for a shop my wife and i have been looking to open and theres LOTS of store fronts now so we put a bunch of low offers in and kinda feel confident

besides from that ive had apple stock for about a decade which rules and we have some money invested in pot and cbd
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 27, 2021, 01:44:48 AM
Blew it on Airbnb stock. Bought 5 shares, got cold feet, sold at a loss. It has gone up over 30 dollars per share from what I bought it at, damn.

I'm betting $100 with these WSB idiots on Blackberry. Shit seems beyond stupid to me, but GameStop at anything above a quarter seemed pretty dumb as well. A guy in my neighborhood has made an insane amount of money on GameStop. Dude was bragging about his gains on Dec 23rd when the stock was (overvalued) at 20 dollars a share. It made it over 140 today. Dude is set for life at this point.

Also, I'm still hanging on to a piece of a bitcoin. I still think it is a completely stupid/useless currency (not all that anonymous, especially if linked to a coinbase account), but watching that jump from 13k to over 30k has been exciting.

But, none of this actually matters and won't really affect my life in either direction. My AirBnB purchase was the biggest I've ever spent on a stock (5 whole shares) and I feel someone has to be going gnalry with margins or options or buying 1000s of shares at a time for things to matter.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Coastal Fever on January 27, 2021, 05:28:04 AM
What app do you use or recommend for WSB type trading?  I don’t think it’s wise for me to jump into that game yet, but man hearing stories like your neighbour’s makes me want to.  I wish I had my debt down/savings up more before getting into this stuff, the FOMO is real ha.

I initially used Wealthsimple to buy my first $50 worth of BTC, but then I wanted to buy another $50 and decided waiting 5 days for deposits is ridiculous so I pulled out.  Downloaded Newton because I read good things, but it’s down now due high activity, which is unacceptable when you want to buy on a dip.  Just got Shakepay and was able to deposit/buy within minutes.
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Post by: cky enthusiast on January 27, 2021, 05:40:38 AM
index funds.

 you are not smarter than dudes who do this shit for a living. if you wanna try and win off dumb luck go right ahead but the economy is propped up by marks doing that exact same thing. i used robinhood for 6 m/o to cash in on the pandemic and then couldn’t sleep at night and cashed out and deleted it.

don’t listen to me tho i don’t have a winners mentality nor do i have generational wealth to fall back on. comme si comme sa
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 27, 2021, 06:35:41 AM
What app do you use or recommend for WSB type trading?  I don’t think it’s wise for me to jump into that game yet, but man hearing stories like your neighbour’s makes me want to.  I wish I had my debt down/savings up more before getting into this stuff, the FOMO is real ha.

I initially used Wealthsimple to buy my first $50 worth of BTC, but then I wanted to buy another $50 and decided waiting 5 days for deposits is ridiculous so I pulled out.  Downloaded Newton because I read good things, but it’s down now due high activity, which is unacceptable when you want to buy on a dip.  Just got Shakepay and was able to deposit/buy within minutes.

When you say WSB type trading, you mean options? Because get ready to lose almost all your money. For every successful trader on there, there's hundreds who lost everything.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Coastal Fever on January 27, 2021, 06:48:05 AM
@cky enthusiast - Valid points!  I definitely don’t think I’m smarter than any career investors, but it’s a pipe dream of mine to one day be okay at it and not have to work my shitty low paying construction job until I’m cripple.  It’s funny because I’ve always been pretty anti-gambling, but there’s money to be made out there with research and little luck.  As long as you never invest more than you can comfortably lose.  Again, I know there’s more to learn than I possibly ever could.

I totally agree that index funds are the best long term option, it’s just the gains are so small it’s basically just a savings account.  I threw 50 into a roboadvisor app and my money actually went down over a couple weeks.  I wasn’t expecting immediate gains but man, pretty discouraging.

@Chatbot - I’m sorry, I’ve tried to look up info on Options trading but struggled to make sense of it.  Can you explain in dumbass terms?  Is it possible to lose more than you put in with options?  I assumed I could throw a little coin in, and worst case I lose it, best case I multiply it.. but if I’m way off please let me know.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: cky enthusiast on January 27, 2021, 07:18:50 AM
why not take the money you’d spend investing and throw it towards an associates degree or something? not trying to discourage you, but there are more active steps you can take to escape manual labor hell with a better track record
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: straight on January 27, 2021, 08:05:17 AM
ive been trying to set up a robinhood account for a month now but don’t have a social sexurity card to verify the account .. are there any other trading apps that are easier to get started
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: buffalo hunter on January 27, 2021, 10:56:09 AM
AMC and Gamestop stocks are on fire lately. Gamestop is up 1000% in a few days. Heavily shorted stocks and very risky. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 27, 2021, 11:06:23 AM
Ive been using TD Ameritrade. Not great but it gets the job done.

It does have a few good videos about trading. I learned a few things about forex trading and it is explains options clearly.

I'm learning not to listen to advice from self proclaimed "experts" that work for financial publications when it comes to recommendations. Following their advice has been just as good as me guessing.

But overall I'm pretty "conservative" with my money (Marx would frame me as a miser, which makes me bad at capitalism). I have most of my money in straight savings, then a standard 401K, then a supplemental 401k like account (I manage this myself and it is primarily ultra low risk, bonds, and 15% bet on the big corps), and then I have this TD account to lose money on and remind myself I'm pretty god damn dumb and irrational.

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Donkey Lips on January 27, 2021, 12:34:51 PM
AMC and Gamestop stocks are on fire lately. Gamestop is up 1000% in a few days. Heavily shorted stocks and very risky.

If you got in on the GME was last week when it was 35 then it's time to get out now while it 10x'ed. I honestly didn't believe it would even get over 200. Ever. But here we are. Reddit was certainly able to make some big fucking waves and I'm glad it's scaring hedge funds.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on January 27, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ice nine on January 27, 2021, 01:59:21 PM
Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: straight on January 27, 2021, 02:15:42 PM
asking again what trading app are you guys using ? i don’t want to miss out on this again
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on January 27, 2021, 02:17:48 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.

Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: straight on January 27, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.

how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on January 27, 2021, 02:22:13 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license

Yea I have a SSN, so not sure the workaround there.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 27, 2021, 02:38:13 PM
2 days in and im up 300% on GameStop, bring in the money :)

going to the moon  :-*
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on January 27, 2021, 02:43:58 PM
2 days in and im up 300% on GameStop, bring in the money :)

going to the moon  :-*
heard they intend to bring it up to 1000$, I wonder if they can pull that off
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 27, 2021, 02:46:28 PM
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2 days in and im up 300% on GameStop, bring in the money :)

going to the moon  :-*
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heard they intend to bring it up to 1000$, I wonder if they can pull that off

would not surprise me, dont know when i will cash out. will wait to friday and see, maybe monday...
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 27, 2021, 03:15:13 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license

Yea, I imagine the apps want the SSN for the IRS and other legal issues.

I'm sure how to get around. If you can't get a SSN (and live in the States) can you get a tax identification number?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on January 27, 2021, 03:20:02 PM
This wallstreetbets discord just broke I think
Lots of AMC and GME talk.

I just cashed out my GME and may try to ride the AMC wave
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: skate_bored on January 27, 2021, 03:51:28 PM
This wallstreetbets discord just broke I think
Lots of AMC and GME talk.

I just cashed out my GME and may try to ride the AMC wave

yep looks like the reddit thread is down now too. im very impressed by how powerful the internet just became - a bunch of people with $50 and a Robinhood account are taking down huge companies.

GME is interesting - people seem pretty confident that the short squeeze will drive this thing into the thousands but i don't know enough to be sure. well worth a couple hundred bucks of risk though - I've lost that in many less exciting ways. AMC, GME, NOK. fuggit.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: straight on January 27, 2021, 05:14:38 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license
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Yea, I imagine the apps want the SSN for the IRS and other legal issues.

I'm sure how to get around. If you can't get a SSN (and live in the States) can you get a tax identification number?

not fast enough to put my life savings in blackberry tomorrow
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 27, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license
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Yea, I imagine the apps want the SSN for the IRS and other legal issues.

I'm sure how to get around. If you can't get a SSN (and live in the States) can you get a tax identification number?
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not fast enough to put my life savings in blackberry tomorrow

my blackberry stock has moved up 47% since monday, hope for moooooore
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Cthulhu! on January 27, 2021, 06:37:59 PM
https://www.highshortinterest.com/
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 27, 2021, 08:17:41 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license
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Yea, I imagine the apps want the SSN for the IRS and other legal issues.

I'm sure how to get around. If you can't get a SSN (and live in the States) can you get a tax identification number?
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not fast enough to put my life savings in blackberry tomorrow
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my blackberry stock has moved up 47% since monday, hope for moooooore

That after hours dip was pretty gnarly for BB, but I'm hoping we keep moving along here.

I'm hoping the irrationality of the average person shoots GME, AMC, and BB up even more. One of the kids I work with has made some money on AMC.

I still don't see how GME has a value over 25 cents since don't most people just download games now anyway? What the hell are they going to sell? How many people are like me and never upgraded systems after the PS2 and have to go to Goodwill to get new games? I feel it is like betting on GME is like betting on Blockbuster in the age of Netflix.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: piss joslin on January 27, 2021, 08:22:16 PM
straight, there's robinhood, sofi and webull. likely there's more sites. BTC keeps going down i might go in heavy. didn't run the gamestop but caught their next 'to the moon' stock. and skipped NOK although i might be foolish.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 27, 2021, 08:45:31 PM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
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Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license
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Yea, I imagine the apps want the SSN for the IRS and other legal issues.

I'm sure how to get around. If you can't get a SSN (and live in the States) can you get a tax identification number?
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not fast enough to put my life savings in blackberry tomorrow
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my blackberry stock has moved up 47% since monday, hope for moooooore
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That after hours dip was pretty gnarly for BB, but I'm hoping we keep moving along here.

I'm hoping the irrationality of the average person shoots GME, AMC, and BB up even more. One of the kids I work with has made some money on AMC.

I still don't see how GME has a value over 25 cents since don't most people just download games now anyway? What the hell are they going to sell? How many people are like me and never upgraded systems after the PS2 and have to go to Goodwill to get new games? I feel it is like betting on GME is like betting on Blockbuster in the age of Netflix.

im in on BB for the long run and GME for the short run.

watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=39&v=rLqH4K5u22k& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=39&v=rLqH4K5u22k&)

they explain why GME stock are $$$$$ (for the moment)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: bumptobar on January 27, 2021, 08:48:34 PM
Wallstreetbets is hilarious. The Gamestop madness has been extremely entertaining.  It helps that im up big time in my position.  I get a kick out of this shit. Id never describe myself as a gambling man but its essentially an online worldwide casino.  The pandemic has been an incredible opportunity to earn money on stocks I wish I knew more sooner.


Whoever needs a reference for a trading app, I use Webull and its fantastic.

Use my referral link, deposit a 100 bucks and get 2 free stocks: https://act.webull.com/pr/xoNxwYZ3eplz/tun/inviteUs/
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: lazer69 on January 27, 2021, 08:51:38 PM
My portfolio was up 7% in the morning for the day and now it showing down 4%.. such a swing.

Overall im up 54% since I started in July.

Im on robinhood. In my opinion its best to be passive. Dont get emotional. Within my few months I was down, and checking in everyday multiple times, then I chilled just let the money sit and things turned. Im  in for the long haul.

Heres my Robinhood link: https://join.robinhood.com/eleazap39 , when you sign up youll get a free stock.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: piss joslin on January 27, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
My portfolio was up 7% in the morning for the day and now it showing down 4%.. such a swing.

Overall im up 54% since I started in July
do you ever take spending $ out? i'd like to have long term but also have others that i eat off of.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: lazer69 on January 27, 2021, 09:14:35 PM
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My portfolio was up 7% in the morning for the day and now it showing down 4%.. such a swing.

Overall im up 54% since I started in July
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do you ever take spending $ out? i'd like to have long term but also have others that i eat off of.

What do you mean?

All the money I have isnt in there.

The money I spend with is in my savings in my bank account. The money I have in stocks I keep in there, not taking it out for living expenses.. Its tax advantageous to not sell in less than a year due to short term capitol gains tax.

(Heres my Robinhood link: https://join.robinhood.com/eleazap39 , if you decide to sign up youll get a free stock.)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: piss joslin on January 27, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
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My portfolio was up 7% in the morning for the day and now it showing down 4%.. such a swing.

Overall im up 54% since I started in July
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do you ever take spending $ out? i'd like to have long term but also have others that i eat off of.
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What do you mean?

All the money I have isnt in there.

The money I spend with is in my savings in my bank account. The money I have in stocks I keep in there, not taking it out for living expenses.. Its tax advantageous to not sell in less than a year due to short term capitol gains tax.

(Heres my Robinhood link: https://join.robinhood.com/eleazap39 , if you decide to sign up youll get a free stock.)
i already got the free RH stock. here's my sofi, free $50 to play w/. https://www.sofi.com/share/invest/3629967?src=copy
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 28, 2021, 05:15:01 AM
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Put money on AMC this morning at $13.44 and it closed at around $19 today. Put a stop loss on it like a bitch so I can't lose any money, but hoping to see it keep climbing.
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probably won’t happen but it could open at lower than your stop loss, has happened to me before.
[close]

Very true. That's alright if it does. Didn't put too much on it. Just wanted to potentially run it up.

And straight, I just used Robinhood. I signed up the night before and although it takes about 5 days for bank funds to go through, they gave me an immediate amount I was able to buy with, so I just used that.
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how though? do you have a ssn card? it’s asking me for that and all i have is a drivers license
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Yea, I imagine the apps want the SSN for the IRS and other legal issues.

I'm sure how to get around. If you can't get a SSN (and live in the States) can you get a tax identification number?

You need to provide that info because tax reasons. Uncle Sam wants a cut of every single profitable trade. Doesn't matter how small. But don't forget you can take advantage and write off losses up to 3k per year too.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 28, 2021, 05:17:37 AM
@cky enthusiast - Valid points!  I definitely don’t think I’m smarter than any career investors, but it’s a pipe dream of mine to one day be okay at it and not have to work my shitty low paying construction job until I’m cripple.  It’s funny because I’ve always been pretty anti-gambling, but there’s money to be made out there with research and little luck.  As long as you never invest more than you can comfortably lose.  Again, I know there’s more to learn than I possibly ever could.

I totally agree that index funds are the best long term option, it’s just the gains are so small it’s basically just a savings account.  I threw 50 into a roboadvisor app and my money actually went down over a couple weeks.  I wasn’t expecting immediate gains but man, pretty discouraging.

@Chatbot - I’m sorry, I’ve tried to look up info on Options trading but struggled to make sense of it.  Can you explain in dumbass terms?  Is it possible to lose more than you put in with options?  I assumed I could throw a little coin in, and worst case I lose it, best case I multiply it.. but if I’m way off please let me know.

I won't be able to explain it well by typing it out. I'd suggest to keep watching youtube videos. It will click after you take some more time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipf0Yg2Z4Gs
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ungzilla on January 28, 2021, 05:17:45 AM
i'm leveraging up for a hostile takeover of krux truck
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: stratosphere on January 28, 2021, 07:07:41 AM
Alexa, play "Arise!" by Amebix  8)
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Post by: arrbee on January 28, 2021, 07:09:02 AM
i'm leveraging up for a hostile takeover of krux truck

They would probably be so excited that someone was even acknowledging their existence they would just hand over the keys willingly.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: cky enthusiast on January 28, 2021, 07:19:10 AM
Alexa, play "Arise!" by Amebix  8)

i saw them on that weird reunion tour they did in like 06, it was the worst smelling show in the world
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BallDontLie on January 28, 2021, 07:51:21 AM
My cousin got me into Robinhood and told me about dogecoin... i didn’t think it was serious, but glad i bought some it just went insane
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Post by: G raham on January 28, 2021, 07:56:01 AM
Robinhood just blocked being able to buy gme n shit, this is getting insane. You are witnessing history people.
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Post by: Coastal Fever on January 28, 2021, 08:01:30 AM
So bummed Robinhood isn’t available in Canada.  Every app I’ve found that I could’ve potentially bought GME with either has ridiculous waits for deposits or huge minimums.  It’s awesome that this is happening, just sucks to miss the boat.  Hopefully the billionaires don’t force government to blatantly rig the market in their favour, and prevent future GME-type movements to happen before I can get a slice.
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Post by: Miller92 on January 28, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
So bummed Robinhood isn’t available in Canada.  Every app I’ve found that I could’ve potentially bought GME with either has ridiculous waits for deposits or huge minimums.  It’s awesome that this is happening, just sucks to miss the boat.  Hopefully the billionaires don’t force government to blatantly rig the market in their favour, and prevent future GME-type movements to happen before I can get a slice.

Robinhood as of this morning isn't letting anyone buy those stocks anymore

been following /r/wallstreetbets for months now and watching this unfold and blow up like it did was hilarious.  i didn't hop in but probably should've. im unemployed and have too much to lose in a possibly dicey investment movement.   there will certainly be a movie made about this
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: shitsandwich on January 28, 2021, 08:14:36 AM
I tried buy amc last night but Robinhood cancelled it. any suggestions on what I should do? I don't know shit about investing and I'm just not trying to miss out
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Post by: Chatbot on January 28, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
Robinhood just blocked being able to buy gme n shit, this is getting insane. You are witnessing history people.

There is definitely going to be a movie or doc about this. Most brokers are now preventing buying and only allowing selling. This is manipulation in itself to drive to price down. If retail can't buy, who's buying? The brokers and hedge funds?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: straight on January 28, 2021, 08:23:45 AM
got the stash app last night and put down my life savings on blackberry and amc
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Post by: Cthulhu! on January 28, 2021, 08:29:27 AM
Boy, those guys sure are playing dirty today
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Post by: Mouth on January 28, 2021, 08:40:08 AM
Those r/wallstreetbets guys are very entertaining. I’m sure there are other platforms you can use to invest in gme/amc/etc, but many, like interactive brokers, might have minimum spend limits.
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Post by: tortfeasor on January 28, 2021, 08:46:30 AM
Boy, those guys sure are playing dirty today

they are for sure. and they are very intentionally fucking a lot of people so they can make a statement and scare the common folk away from retail investing.  an effort to keep them with the MMs.   BUT its also kind of our damn fault for letting the spot blow up.  too many people found out about the spot and a lot of those people were more interested in partying than skating. turned it into a shit show.
its easy to say this in hindsight but as soon as 30 of my friends started texting me and asking me about stocks and options i should have known to run for the hills.


edit im so fucking angry i cant even type straight.  sorry
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PAWL on January 28, 2021, 09:05:49 AM
Was able to get some AMC and blackberry today. Ameritrade seems to be allowing buys for everything.

I was reading that Robinhood has some ties to the fund that was shorting GME, hence the attempt at market manipulation.

Next couple days should be interesting.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: doctorkickflip on January 28, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
Was able to get some AMC and blackberry today. Ameritrade seems to be allowing buys for everything.

I was reading that Robinhood has some ties to the fund that was shorting GME, hence the attempt at market manipulation.

Next couple days should be interesting.

Bought AMC on cashapp knowing that it will likely evaporate in a few weeks. At this point all I want to do is fuck over the short sellers that are pressuring Robinhood into shutting down trading of GME. Only rich people are allowed to manipulate the markets I guess?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Donkey Lips on January 28, 2021, 10:08:23 AM
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Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on January 28, 2021, 10:09:13 AM
Ameritrade is working for people who want to buy GME etc. Seeing as I spend a stupid amount of time on reddit and am familiar with all of this, have paid close attention to the BTC market, I'm really kicking myself for not having a bank account. I've got w couple buddies who are doing real well because of this rn. Good for them. Fuck wall street
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Idk on January 28, 2021, 10:58:51 AM
I know nothing of stocks but I go on reddit a ton and kept seeing all the news then I went on here and saw you guys talking about. Checked my checking account I’m pretty fucked but my savings is 3k+ so I just bought 1 stock of gme and 10 of amc. Any Pals have advice on what to do next? Would just like to have a few K in my checking is all while screwing the rich.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Grampa on January 28, 2021, 11:08:00 AM
Bought a bunch of Dogecoin as a joke two years ago and now today I’m up almost 400% which I find hilarious.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Big Skatefase on January 28, 2021, 12:32:41 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKmb1gTDniZ/
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 28, 2021, 01:10:01 PM
So bummed Robinhood isn’t available in Canada.  Every app I’ve found that I could’ve potentially bought GME with either has ridiculous waits for deposits or huge minimums.  It’s awesome that this is happening, just sucks to miss the boat.  Hopefully the billionaires don’t force government to blatantly rig the market in their favour, and prevent future GME-type movements to happen before I can get a slice.
Did you try Qtrade?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 28, 2021, 01:24:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKmb1gTDniZ/

This motherfucker and his half-truth bootlicking bullshit. "I'm for the little guy, but please don't let the hedge funds lose money, because the hedge funds are really on the side of the little guy."


1) The percentage of workers in the private sector whose only retirement account is a defined benefit pension plan is now 4%. And only 14% of companies offer both 401K and pensions.

2) Private pension plans are at least partially insured by the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC), a government agency established in 1974 by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA). The goal of PBGC was to provide a retiree with uninterrupted pension payment's if their employer's pension fund went bankrupt.

3) Someone is going to have to tell me exactly what % of the money in the hedge funds who shorted GME is made up by pension money. Hedge funds raise their capital from a variety of sources, including high net worth individuals, corporations, foundations, endowments, and pension funds.

They are only open to "qualified" investors—individuals with an annual income that exceeds $200,000 for the past two years or a net worth exceeding $1 million, excluding their primary residence. As such, the Securities and Exchange Commission deems qualified investors suitable enough to handle the potential risks that come from a wider investment mandate.

I'm not saying GME isn't a worthless company, but Mikey's framing is bootlicking as usual.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ungzilla on January 28, 2021, 01:53:22 PM
this fuckin dweeb is the braille of financial advice
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BallDontLie on January 28, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
Was waiting for him to spew his bullshit...

Spent way more than i would’ve liked right before the market closed, but why not ride the trending wave.

 SNDL is one I’m trying to get in on...
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 28, 2021, 03:36:38 PM
The trading halts have fucked anyone riding the irrational exuberance of the stock market. My 100 dollar BB bet went from zooming upwards to crashing as soon as this shit happened. It would have been nice to buy a used bike off craigslist if the shit would have just been allowed to ride the wave of idiocy/short squeezing the big companies for another week or so.

Un-fucking-believe-able. I like how it is a bubble when investors do it and it will eventually face a correction, but when a bunch of idiots on the internet pile on to some shit irrationally, it is unfair? Where the fuck was the self-regulation when the banks were packaging shit mortgages that were bound to fail into things that could be sold on the market in 2008?

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: bumptobar on January 28, 2021, 05:54:49 PM
For fucks sakes do not turn this thread about Mike taylor keep that horseface fuck out of here.

Anyways.  Fuck Robinhood.

The way the gamestock frenzy has been going is INSANE. This is history making stuff going on.  Ive watched it grow from murmurs to global news being discussed everywhere i go.  Ive been enjoying this week thoroughly. Fuck billionaires.  Never again will you be able to directly hurt a billionaire than right now with GME.

Buy GME. Be on the right part of history.  Look at what hedge funds/media are doing to try and stop it. Look at the ridiculous spread of price action.  Something big is clearly going on. And this has been discussed and predicted for months. Do your own research obviously but If you have 1k to gamble I would do it because mainly fuck billionaires.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: cky enthusiast on January 28, 2021, 06:45:20 PM
some billionaires* blackrock and hella other evil fux stand to gain quite a bit. not that i don’t completely agree with this as an action and have been trying to get on a broker to buy GME
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sometimeperhaps on January 28, 2021, 07:43:26 PM
Not super savvy when it comes to stonks and those whole GME fiasco.

Is there a chance the hedge funds with all their power and influence will someone get outta this one? Or are their fates sealed? What kind of ramifications can we expect after this? Will restrictions be implemented to keep the average joe from doing this kind of thing again? Obviously the hedge funds want to keep the status quo and keep the markets in their favour.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 28, 2021, 08:02:20 PM
Has anyone from GameStop commented on this or are they just out looking for new yachts?

I can only imagine what their board meetings look like right now.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Lame_Nigga on January 28, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
Invest in Dogecoin right now. At 6pm today I put in $75 and it's sitting at around $190 rn four later. It's projected to hit $1 here in the coming months.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sometimeperhaps on January 28, 2021, 09:26:18 PM
Thanks for that. I guess I know less than I thought, I don’t think I fully understand the intricacies that aren’t mentioned. Or the outcome on a larger scale.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 29, 2021, 04:33:13 AM
Invest in Dogecoin right now. At 6pm today I put in $75 and it's sitting at around $190 rn four later. It's projected to hit $1 here in the coming months.

For dogecoin to reach a dollar it'll have to pass BTC marketcap. I don't see that happening even in this clown market. Also, we're in 2017 hype levels right now in stocks and crypto so be careful chasing these pumps and dumps.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on January 29, 2021, 06:01:52 AM
Has anyone from GameStop commented on this or are they just out looking for new yachts?

I can only imagine what their board meetings look like right now.

theyre not profiting directly of their stock, unless they sell stock of their own, what i doubt theyll do, so no yachts i assume.


I was too late to get on with it, but thats the biggest fuck off to capitalism in the last years. it shows how fucked up the capitalist system is and that they do not want everybody on there investing and trying to manipulate the market as bigger fonds already have done. its abstruse. so ironic that robinhood had a slogan saying they would democratize the stock market. fuck faces.

the official statement is that the risk for $GME is to high for normal investors, ha, then gambling with stocks should be forbiden and wall street should be shut down.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Jerrys Kid on January 29, 2021, 06:48:27 AM
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Invest in Dogecoin right now. At 6pm today I put in $75 and it's sitting at around $190 rn four later. It's projected to hit $1 here in the coming months.
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For dogecoin to reach a dollar it'll have to pass BTC marketcap. I don't see that happening even in this clown market. Also, we're in 2017 hype levels right now in stocks and crypto so be careful chasing these pumps and dumps.

The bust of dogecoin will happen as soon as people get bored of talking about stocks.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: stratosphere on January 29, 2021, 08:03:54 AM
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Not super savvy when it comes to stonks and those whole GME fiasco.

Is there a chance the hedge funds with all their power and influence will someone get outta this one? Or are their fates sealed? What kind of ramifications can we expect after this? Will restrictions be implemented to keep the average joe from doing this kind of thing again? Obviously the hedge funds want to keep the status quo and keep the markets in their favour.
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This might answer your question.

Quote taken from WSB:

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Yesterday, new call option strike prices were added all the way up to $570. Do I have to go over gamma squeezes again? Really? We've been over this: when deep out-of-the-money call options start being gobbled up and the price starts moving towards being in-the-money, the call writers have to hedge their risk of having their sold calls exercised, typically by buying stock. This creates upwards pressure on the market. We've been seeing these movements all week.
⁠Yesterday after market, you probably saw that coordinated effort to drive the price down and spook retail investors into a mass sell-off. It didn't work.
⁠Last night, Robinhood sent out a message to users: you could no longer enter into new options. You could exercise them if you had the collateral (money in the account) to do so. Very interesting and the first sign of pants-shitting fear.
⁠Today, the market opened very strong. It opened so strong that we were looking at a self-perpetuating gamma squeeze all the way up way past $570.
⁠At approximately 9:58 am, the stock had reached $468 in a parabolic move.
⁠Two minutes earlier, at 9:56 am, Robinhood tweeted that they were not allowing users to buy GME stock, but they would allow selling.
⁠The trend instantly halted and started a collapse downwards, before picking up a bit, especially after some retail was allowed back in.
Okay, now that you are clear on the facts, understand this: The market ran out of liquidity today, or was threatening to get close enough that they killed it. What does that mean? It means they ran out of shares and/or capital. They wouldn't let you buy new shares because we were burning through all the shares on the market.

I saw an unsubstantiated post from a user (u/zshub) who said a market sell order executed at $2600 for him. Do you get the severity of the situation, if that's true? It means the buying was getting to the point where it was just about to put INFINITE pressure on the price of the shares. It means virtually any ask was getting bid.

How do you get infinite upwards pressure? A gamma squeeze triggering the mother of all short squeezes, just like we predicted. The call writers need shares to hedge. Retail is still buying more. The short sellers need over 100% of the float back. Add these together. There were more shares needed than existed on the open market. That's what a liquidity crisis is.

Listen to this to this remarkable (if infuriating) interview where the chairman of Interactive Brokers admits that they didn't have the capital to pay out the winners (us), so they took their ball and went home. DO YOU GRASP HOW INSANE IT IS THAT HE SAID THEY NEEDED TO SHUT DOWN BUY ORDERS TO "PROTECT THE MARKET"? Hello! He's not talking about the market for GME shares. He's talking about the entire market! The New York Stock Exchange. The NASDAQ. All that.

It kick starts a full blown rebellion. They have no bullets. It's the exact same in this market: No capital. No shares. Infinite losses inbound.

" " " "

Fuck, that gave me chills.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BallDontLie on January 29, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Think the hardest aspect for me is not panicking when things drop... probably gonna sit tight.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: McBrandt on January 29, 2021, 10:49:20 AM
This changes things for the future, right? I mean, either they take away retail investors ability to buy stocks, or we just continually fuck them by moving on to the next stock they are trying to short sell and do the same thing over again.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on January 29, 2021, 10:58:25 AM
Been in crypto for a little while now and still think Ethereum is very undervalued. I'm invested in Uniswap, which is a decentralized trading platform, and it doubled this week because of people wanting to get away from centralized finance. I think it will continue to grow in huge ways.

Also, if you get into crypto, just don't panic sell when things drop 30-40% in a day. It's part of the game. Blockchain technology is the future and it's still early to get involved. Don't look to Bitcoin as a way to make quick money. It will keep growing, but at this point you won't make 5-10x gains in the short term. Research the altcoins that have potential. There's lots of hype around it, but Polka Dot is one project tons of people are optimistic for the long haul. I'm very optimistic on Cardano and Vecahin as well. Heavily invested in those 2.

Also, not trying to be a shill, but if anyone wants to sign up on Gemini to start in crypto, let me know and I'll give you a code where we each get $10 in Bitcoin. That's not some scammy push, just free money if you are interested.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: straight on January 29, 2021, 11:20:46 AM
Been in crypto for a little while now and still think Ethereum is very undervalued. I'm invested in Uniswap, which is a decentralized trading platform, and it doubled this week because of people wanting to get away from centralized finance. I think it will continue to grow in huge ways.

Also, if you get into crypto, just don't panic sell when things drop 30-40% in a day. It's part of the game. Blockchain technology is the future and it's still early to get involved. Don't look to Bitcoin as a way to make quick money. It will keep growing, but at this point you won't make 5-10x gains in the short term. Research the altcoins that have potential. There's lots of hype around it, but Polka Dot is one project tons of people are optimistic for the long haul. I'm very optimistic on Cardano and Vecahin as well. Heavily invested in those 2.

Also, not trying to be a shill, but if anyone wants to sign up on Gemini to start in crypto, let me know and I'll give you a code where we each get $10 in Bitcoin. That's not some scammy push, just free money if you are interested.

please type this out in wing dings next time so i can have a better chance of understating
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: m477 on January 29, 2021, 12:26:58 PM
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I was too late to get on with it, but thats the biggest fuck off to capitalism in the last years. it shows how fucked up the capitalist system is and that they do not want everybody on there investing and trying to manipulate the market as bigger fonds already have done. its abstruse. so ironic that robinhood had a slogan saying they would democratize the stock market. fuck faces.

The sad thing is that we haven’t had true capitalism in a very long time. Crony capitalism has been reigning strong for what, at least 30yrs (sorry I’m no history buff)?

Take the housing crisis of 2008, in a true capitalist model, the failure of the big banks would not have been bailed out by the fed. What should’ve happened is all the prudent financial institutions (that didn’t make risky loans) would’ve picked up the failed assets at pennies on the dollar. But of course that’s not what happened. Instead, those executives in turn leave the private sector and go into government positions.

Same situation here. The hedge fund cronies go running to the govt for potential new regulations  to save their asses.

On a side note I love the show of unity on this issue. Strange times when AOC and Ben Shapiro are on the same page.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 29, 2021, 12:31:43 PM
Been in crypto for a little while now and still think Ethereum is very undervalued. I'm invested in Uniswap, which is a decentralized trading platform, and it doubled this week because of people wanting to get away from centralized finance. I think it will continue to grow in huge ways.

Also, if you get into crypto, just don't panic sell when things drop 30-40% in a day. It's part of the game. Blockchain technology is the future and it's still early to get involved. Don't look to Bitcoin as a way to make quick money. It will keep growing, but at this point you won't make 5-10x gains in the short term. Research the altcoins that have potential. There's lots of hype around it, but Polka Dot is one project tons of people are optimistic for the long haul. I'm very optimistic on Cardano and Vecahin as well. Heavily invested in those 2.

Also, not trying to be a shill, but if anyone wants to sign up on Gemini to start in crypto, let me know and I'll give you a code where we each get $10 in Bitcoin. That's not some scammy push, just free money if you are interested.

Everyone who used Uniswap prior to September got 400 tokens for free which was pretty cool. But if you look at the top holders on Etherscan, there's millions still waiting to be dumped.

Currently, there are 287,148,684 / 1,000,000,000 tokens circulating. The rest are locked up and will be released during certain periods. I have no doubt in my mind there will be big dumps when this occurs as the market gets diluted. It's also just a governance token which doesn't actually mean anything unless you hold a shit ton. At least ETHs value comes from being able to build off it but also has it's downside with gas fees. Using Uniswap efficiently right now it's going to cost you high fees. I've seen screenshots upwards to $100. Also, 90% of the projects on there are scams and everyone jumping in thinking they'll make it get the rug pulled on them eventually.

To compare supply to the hyped Dogecoin. Doge literally has an infinity supply. It's ridiculous when people say it will go up to a dollar. Bitcoins value is due to it's scarcity of only 21mil max where >80% are already circulating. Also trust in the network for 10+ years with no hacks.

I've been in this game long enough to see when people start throwing out bullshit numbers like the next 10 or 20x, most likely it's a lie. They just want you to pump and buy their bags. Also, seeing a bunch of random people I know, especially skateboarders talking about crypto, we have to be approaching the top.

I don't want to scare anyone away and I'm not saying there isn't money to be made but 90% of crypto is bullshit for real use cases. Full of false promises too. Just need to think if a project is even necessary. Why would a company use someone else's blockchain when they can just create their own private one in house? Also, if your just trying to make a quick buck and don't care about the long term goals, don't buy something that just pumped 500% in a day.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on January 29, 2021, 12:50:00 PM
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Been in crypto for a little while now and still think Ethereum is very undervalued. I'm invested in Uniswap, which is a decentralized trading platform, and it doubled this week because of people wanting to get away from centralized finance. I think it will continue to grow in huge ways.

Also, if you get into crypto, just don't panic sell when things drop 30-40% in a day. It's part of the game. Blockchain technology is the future and it's still early to get involved. Don't look to Bitcoin as a way to make quick money. It will keep growing, but at this point you won't make 5-10x gains in the short term. Research the altcoins that have potential. There's lots of hype around it, but Polka Dot is one project tons of people are optimistic for the long haul. I'm very optimistic on Cardano and Vecahin as well. Heavily invested in those 2.

Also, not trying to be a shill, but if anyone wants to sign up on Gemini to start in crypto, let me know and I'll give you a code where we each get $10 in Bitcoin. That's not some scammy push, just free money if you are interested.
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Everyone who used Uniswap prior to September got 400 tokens for free which was pretty cool. But if you look at the top holders on Etherscan, there's millions still waiting to be dumped.

Currently, there are 287,148,684 / 1,000,000,000 tokens circulating. The rest are locked up and will be released during certain periods. I have no doubt in my mind there will be big dumps when this occurs as the market gets diluted. It's also just a governance token which doesn't actually mean anything unless you hold a shit ton. At least ETHs value comes from being able to build off it but also has it's downside with gas fees. Using Uniswap efficiently right now it's going to cost you high fees. I've seen screenshots upwards to $100. Also, 90% of the projects on there are scams and everyone jumping in thinking they'll make it get the rug pulled on them eventually.

To compare supply to the hyped Dogecoin. Doge literally has an infinity supply. It's ridiculous when people say it will go up to a dollar. Bitcoins value is due to it's scarcity of only 21mil max where >80% are already circulating. Also trust in the network for 10+ years with no hacks.

I've been in this game long enough to see when people start throwing out bullshit numbers like the next 10 or 20x, most likely it's a lie. They just want you to pump and buy their bags. Also, seeing a bunch of random people I know, especially skateboarders talking about crypto, we have to be approaching the top.

I don't want to scare anyone away and I'm not saying there isn't money to be made but 90% of crypto is bullshit for real use cases. Full of false promises too. Just need to think if a project is even necessary. Why would a company use someone else's blockchain when they can just create their own private one in house? Also, if your just trying to make a quick buck and don't care about the long term goals, don't buy something that just pumped 500% in a day.

Didn't mention Dogecoin once in my post. Agree tons of coins are bullshit, but literally every one of the projects I mentioned and invest in are projects doing big things that solve real issues. You don't have to agree with them, but they are ones I've researched and fully believe in.

And if you've followed Etheruem, the high gas fees isn't some secret. It's been a huge issue they're working and launching ETH 2 in the next week. The amount of platforms that will be using ETH in this year is massive.

And again, didn't buy Dogecoin or mention it and literally everything I said was about long term and not trying to make a quick buck and warned about the volatility. Would be nice if people actually read posts before just jump in ready to attack people.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 29, 2021, 01:09:48 PM
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Been in crypto for a little while now and still think Ethereum is very undervalued. I'm invested in Uniswap, which is a decentralized trading platform, and it doubled this week because of people wanting to get away from centralized finance. I think it will continue to grow in huge ways.

Also, if you get into crypto, just don't panic sell when things drop 30-40% in a day. It's part of the game. Blockchain technology is the future and it's still early to get involved. Don't look to Bitcoin as a way to make quick money. It will keep growing, but at this point you won't make 5-10x gains in the short term. Research the altcoins that have potential. There's lots of hype around it, but Polka Dot is one project tons of people are optimistic for the long haul. I'm very optimistic on Cardano and Vecahin as well. Heavily invested in those 2.

Also, not trying to be a shill, but if anyone wants to sign up on Gemini to start in crypto, let me know and I'll give you a code where we each get $10 in Bitcoin. That's not some scammy push, just free money if you are interested.
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Everyone who used Uniswap prior to September got 400 tokens for free which was pretty cool. But if you look at the top holders on Etherscan, there's millions still waiting to be dumped.

Currently, there are 287,148,684 / 1,000,000,000 tokens circulating. The rest are locked up and will be released during certain periods. I have no doubt in my mind there will be big dumps when this occurs as the market gets diluted. It's also just a governance token which doesn't actually mean anything unless you hold a shit ton. At least ETHs value comes from being able to build off it but also has it's downside with gas fees. Using Uniswap efficiently right now it's going to cost you high fees. I've seen screenshots upwards to $100. Also, 90% of the projects on there are scams and everyone jumping in thinking they'll make it get the rug pulled on them eventually.

To compare supply to the hyped Dogecoin. Doge literally has an infinity supply. It's ridiculous when people say it will go up to a dollar. Bitcoins value is due to it's scarcity of only 21mil max where >80% are already circulating. Also trust in the network for 10+ years with no hacks.

I've been in this game long enough to see when people start throwing out bullshit numbers like the next 10 or 20x, most likely it's a lie. They just want you to pump and buy their bags. Also, seeing a bunch of random people I know, especially skateboarders talking about crypto, we have to be approaching the top.

I don't want to scare anyone away and I'm not saying there isn't money to be made but 90% of crypto is bullshit for real use cases. Full of false promises too. Just need to think if a project is even necessary. Why would a company use someone else's blockchain when they can just create their own private one in house? Also, if your just trying to make a quick buck and don't care about the long term goals, don't buy something that just pumped 500% in a day.
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Didn't mention Dogecoin once in my post. Agree tons of coins are bullshit, but literally every one of the projects I mentioned and invest in are projects doing big things that solve real issues. You don't have to agree with them, but they are ones I've researched and fully believe in.

And if you've followed Etheruem, the high gas fees isn't some secret. It's been a huge issue they're working and launching ETH 2 in the next week. The amount of platforms that will be using ETH in this year is massive.

And again, didn't buy Dogecoin or mention it and literally everything I said was about long term and not trying to make a quick buck and warned about the volatility. Would be nice if people actually read posts before just jump in ready to attack people.

I didn't mean to attack you directly. I was just mentioning Doge as an example because that is what everyone is talking about recently. I didn't say you bought it or say the projects you mentioned weren't good either. I was trying to give insight that people need to look at the marketcap and overall supply of tokens as well as their usecases before jumping in. Also, to be cautious of when projects are claiming to be the next big thing.

And yes, you and me might know about the gas fees and whatnot but new buyers sure won't. New buyers also don't really look at the long term comparing to what people post online everytime a hype cycle comes around.

I agree that long term > short term for legit projects.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: companguero on January 29, 2021, 01:35:21 PM
My body is ready to burn a rack for the simple thrill of gambling and the opportunity to cosplay Steve Olson on these hedgies.

I've squandered the last two months holed up, neglecting my fulltime doordash gig while working just enough part time at my jobby job to cover bills and irresponsible spending.
By early next week I will unload a 'big sigh' and return to my full time routine work schedule.
For now I'm enjoying a mildly manic consumption of WSB, adopting their language and optimism for guaranteed profit. I can afford a few tickets in steerage to join the other poors aboard this rocket ship fueled on m'tendies.

Anyone else grasping at the most immediate sources of news & information? r/wallstreetbets (https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/) and isthesqueezesquoze (https://isthesqueezesquoze.com/)

Any other fun places to scour for the gamblers among us?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: gumsole on January 29, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
Invest in Dogecoin right now. At 6pm today I put in $75 and it's sitting at around $190 rn four later. It's projected to hit $1 here in the coming months.

This right here! I put $2k in when it was $.046 and sold at $.084. Was very pleased how my Thursday ended. I'm going back in right now cause it's around the $.050 range. If it hits $1 I'm going to have nice down payment on a new car haha.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Abyss1 on January 29, 2021, 03:22:49 PM
I hear Flow Redox battery storage is gonna be huge in about 4yrs
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: lazer69 on January 29, 2021, 05:53:44 PM
Looks Like i mucked up. I put a jackson on dodge at .07 a few minutes later went to .04


Also I just tried to buy 5 shares of AMC and RH only allowed me to purchase 1..
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: KBizzle on January 29, 2021, 08:33:44 PM
You can buy AMC using Cashapp, they make buying stocks super easy.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Mouth on January 30, 2021, 05:39:54 AM
Before we all get too excited about fucking over hedge funds by investing in plastic dog turds, it's probably worth mentioning that most hedge funds are investing on behalf of other people.

Its quite likely that your 401k or pension fund is being managed by a hedge fund.

Its also worth noting that when hedge funds are forced to liquidate/manage positions due to r/wallstreetbets shenanigans, it doesn tjust affect the stock being pumped. It affects their other positions as well.

I lost on Google etc, even though it had nothing to do with gme/amc.

Still, it's going to be very entertaining watching this play out  Just bought the dip on dogecoin for a laugh and have bought some xrp in preparation for the planned pump on Monday.

Yolo. HODL. Etc.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: lazer69 on January 30, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
WTF is a 401k or a pension
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 30, 2021, 12:28:58 PM
Before we all get too excited about fucking over hedge funds by investing in plastic dog turds, it's probably worth mentioning that most hedge funds are investing on behalf of other people.

Its quite likely that your 401k or pension fund is being managed by a hedge fund.

Its also worth noting that when hedge funds are forced to liquidate/manage positions due to r/wallstreetbets shenanigans, it doesn tjust affect the stock being pumped. It affects their other positions as well.

I lost on Google etc, even though it had nothing to do with gme/amc.

Still, it's going to be very entertaining watching this play out  Just bought the dip on dogecoin for a laugh and have bought some xrp in preparation for the planned pump on Monday.

Yolo. HODL. Etc.

Mouth, I gotta disagree with you on this one.

1) the pension claim means little to me since we have no idea how much money Melvin Capital had from pension money. This just seems like a talking point for those who want to create sympathy for the hedge funds and deflect where most hedge profits really go (not to normal people).
2) hedge funds are risky investment institutions and anyone who signs on to work with one knows this. (It's funny the risk mantra of capitalism always seems to vanish as soon as wealthy people have to pay out).
3) offering pensions was a risk the company took out to attract workers, if the pension is underfunded it is up to them to invest more to pay for the pensions (defined benefit plans are not 401ks, the pensioners don't need to come up with the shortfall)
4) companies pay insurance premiums to the gov to cover defined benefit plans (legislation passed in 1974 created an insurance company and rules for this)
5) also this also makes it seem like pensions are a thing in society  and this harming tons of people 18% of private companies offer pensions (and this isn't to every employee).

6) Pension... funds must invest prudently, on a portfolio basis, but we know that some public funds feel pressured to make bets inconsistent with that legal mandate. That said, a diversified portfolio is unlikely to suffer much from events like these.
https://gizmodo.com/how-does-the-gamestop-squeeze-end-1846162847

7) I don't know how other people's 401ks work, but I don't think fidelity or vanguard are hedge funds and I can pick from a whole list of different investment options...some way riskier than others.

8) most stocks are owned by a fraction of the population...a fraction that doesn't do shit but live off our labor. I'm not going to feel bad if some billionaire lost money by giving money to Melvin Capital in order to make more money from not working.

The ins and outs of the stock market aren't my expertise, but this is the way it looks to me. Please correct me if I missed something.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on January 30, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
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Been in crypto for a little while now and still think Ethereum is very undervalued. I'm invested in Uniswap, which is a decentralized trading platform, and it doubled this week because of people wanting to get away from centralized finance. I think it will continue to grow in huge ways.

Also, if you get into crypto, just don't panic sell when things drop 30-40% in a day. It's part of the game. Blockchain technology is the future and it's still early to get involved. Don't look to Bitcoin as a way to make quick money. It will keep growing, but at this point you won't make 5-10x gains in the short term. Research the altcoins that have potential. There's lots of hype around it, but Polka Dot is one project tons of people are optimistic for the long haul. I'm very optimistic on Cardano and Vecahin as well. Heavily invested in those 2.

Also, not trying to be a shill, but if anyone wants to sign up on Gemini to start in crypto, let me know and I'll give you a code where we each get $10 in Bitcoin. That's not some scammy push, just free money if you are interested.
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Everyone who used Uniswap prior to September got 400 tokens for free which was pretty cool. But if you look at the top holders on Etherscan, there's millions still waiting to be dumped.

Currently, there are 287,148,684 / 1,000,000,000 tokens circulating. The rest are locked up and will be released during certain periods. I have no doubt in my mind there will be big dumps when this occurs as the market gets diluted. It's also just a governance token which doesn't actually mean anything unless you hold a shit ton. At least ETHs value comes from being able to build off it but also has it's downside with gas fees. Using Uniswap efficiently right now it's going to cost you high fees. I've seen screenshots upwards to $100. Also, 90% of the projects on there are scams and everyone jumping in thinking they'll make it get the rug pulled on them eventually.

To compare supply to the hyped Dogecoin. Doge literally has an infinity supply. It's ridiculous when people say it will go up to a dollar. Bitcoins value is due to it's scarcity of only 21mil max where >80% are already circulating. Also trust in the network for 10+ years with no hacks.

I've been in this game long enough to see when people start throwing out bullshit numbers like the next 10 or 20x, most likely it's a lie. They just want you to pump and buy their bags. Also, seeing a bunch of random people I know, especially skateboarders talking about crypto, we have to be approaching the top.

I don't want to scare anyone away and I'm not saying there isn't money to be made but 90% of crypto is bullshit for real use cases. Full of false promises too. Just need to think if a project is even necessary. Why would a company use someone else's blockchain when they can just create their own private one in house? Also, if your just trying to make a quick buck and don't care about the long term goals, don't buy something that just pumped 500% in a day.
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Didn't mention Dogecoin once in my post. Agree tons of coins are bullshit, but literally every one of the projects I mentioned and invest in are projects doing big things that solve real issues. You don't have to agree with them, but they are ones I've researched and fully believe in.

And if you've followed Etheruem, the high gas fees isn't some secret. It's been a huge issue they're working and launching ETH 2 in the next week. The amount of platforms that will be using ETH in this year is massive.

And again, didn't buy Dogecoin or mention it and literally everything I said was about long term and not trying to make a quick buck and warned about the volatility. Would be nice if people actually read posts before just jump in ready to attack people.
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I didn't mean to attack you directly. I was just mentioning Doge as an example because that is what everyone is talking about recently. I didn't say you bought it or say the projects you mentioned weren't good either. I was trying to give insight that people need to look at the marketcap and overall supply of tokens as well as their usecases before jumping in. Also, to be cautious of when projects are claiming to be the next big thing.

And yes, you and me might know about the gas fees and whatnot but new buyers sure won't. New buyers also don't really look at the long term comparing to what people post online everytime a hype cycle comes around.

I agree that long term > short term for legit projects.

Yea, I hear ya. I just overall was essentially pitching long term over short term as you said. And going into depth on the intricacies of gas prices of Etheruem might just make people more nauseated with stuff they're not familiar with, so just kept it broad.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: HORSES on January 30, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
A few of my friends are dumping their life savings into Etheruem. Tempted to follow them over that cliff.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 30, 2021, 05:54:44 PM
puts on horse head*

i know fuck all about pension & 401k's because i don't have them  :(.

but Mouth is right that $GME can and is bringing down the overall market and i'm pretty sure that hits 401K's and eventually when the $GME trade goes bust, pensions..

this whole $GME thing has the potential to completely blow up the market the longer it goes on.

Bl0B,

I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain how this is bringing down the entire market?

From my perspective, the stock market is bullshit. One of my mutual funds has just continued to gain value despite the pandemic that is fucking normal people. The ticker amazingly enough is FOCKX. This shit offered a 43% return last year despite the pandemic. If millions of people losing their jobs doesn't affect the market as a whole, I don't think Melvin Capital having to get a loan from the owner of the Mets is going to matter in the long run.

But, like I said, I don't fully understand this shit, so if someone can explain it to me/us, that'd be awesome.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gamestop-gme-and-the-stock-market%3A-what-it-means-for-everyday-investors-2021-01-29
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Jean-Ralphio Zaperstein on January 30, 2021, 06:48:45 PM
From my very basic understanding :
The hedge fund has to buy back the now super expensive stock they borrowed to short the company. So they need a lot of cash or they will be liquidated ? So that means they have to sell their probably huge amount of shares of other companies, thus bringing down prices all around
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Nosferatu on January 30, 2021, 07:00:56 PM
I think it’s more that this much volatility in the market makes people nervous and sell their stock.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BL0B on January 30, 2021, 07:09:55 PM
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i know fuck all about pension & 401k's because i don't have them  :(.

but Mouth is right that $GME can and is bringing down the overall market and i'm pretty sure that hits 401K's and eventually when the $GME trade goes bust, pensions..

this whole $GME thing has the potential to completely blow up the market the longer it goes on.
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Bl0B,

I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain how this is bringing down the entire market?

From my perspective, the stock market is bullshit. One of my mutual funds has just continued to gain value despite the pandemic that is fucking normal people. The ticker amazingly enough is FOCKX. This shit offered a 43% return last year despite the pandemic. If millions of people losing their jobs doesn't affect the market as a whole, I don't think Melvin Capital having to get a loan from the owner of the Mets is going to matter in the long run.

But, like I said, I don't fully understand this shit, so if someone can explain it to me/us, that'd be awesome.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gamestop-gme-and-the-stock-market%3A-what-it-means-for-everyday-investors-2021-01-29


yeah, kinda. so like Mouth is saying here.


Its also worth noting that when hedge funds are forced to liquidate/manage positions due to r/wallstreetbets shenanigans

put horse head back on*

the $GME short squeeze, gamma squeeze causes all hedge funds to rethink their short & risk strategies and all their trade strategies basically. they rebalance their positions accordingly, to rebalance they buy/sell large, med, sml cap stocks, the whole market DOW, S&P, NADAQ ect....they lower risk, cover shorts buy protection, because of rising volatility they take on smaller/less long positions.

but it's not just the hedge funs, it's the brokers and retail as well. brokers have to sell to raise capital to cover unprecedented options action (why robin hood had to limit trade). all across the market puts and calls are being traded at an alarming rate, raising volatility. retail sells their ($TSLA $APPL etc.) large, med cap stock to buy more $GME, $AMC ect. = more volatility, all these things drive stocks lower and selling begets more selling and repositioning for everyone.

IDK if makes sense or not? but that's how i understand it. i'm mostly into Volatility, i don't know much about hedge funds, moneymakers & brokers other than what a pick-up along the way.


Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BL0B on January 30, 2021, 07:51:52 PM

From my perspective, the stock market is bullshit. One of my mutual funds has just continued to gain value despite the pandemic that is fucking normal people. The ticker amazingly enough is FOCKX. This shit offered a 43% return last year despite the pandemic. If millions of people losing their jobs doesn't affect the market as a whole, I don't think Melvin Capital having to get a loan from the owner of the Mets is going to matter in the long run.

But, like I said, I don't fully understand this shit, so if someone can explain it to me/us, that'd be awesome.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gamestop-gme-and-the-stock-market%3A-what-it-means-for-everyday-investors-2021-01-29


#me too

it is BS!

the mutual fund probably had a mix of  lrg, med, sml cap stocks, that benefitted from stay at home.

that's kinda what's going on with some hedge funds making billions because they already held $GME in their sml caps @ like $2.00. hedge funds have to own a certain amount of stock, bonds, ect.. they can't just be in one position. i think that's how most funds work, mutual including, IDK though.

thought the same thing going into the pandemic, all the jobs, the sky is falling, doomed ect. but the Fed kept propping up the markets with free money and buying shit bonds. as far Melvin, he's fucked! this still might take down some other hedge funds and i kinda thinking robin goes poof too, they don't seem they'll have the capital to continue to allow options trading. plus the type of options trades being put on by retail can leave robinhood having to raise even more capital.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 30, 2021, 09:35:01 PM
I think it’s more that this much volatility in the market makes people nervous and sell their stock.

From my very basic understanding :
The hedge fund has to buy back the now super expensive stock they borrowed to short the company. So they need a lot of cash or they will be liquidated?

yeah, kinda. so like Mouth is saying here.


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I think the volatility concern could make sense, but can the ups and downs of GME, NOK, BB, AMC, etc. offer enough volatility to affect the market as a whole? Is this a significant amount of volatility or is it just some amusing side show? I mean the NSYE's market capitalization is 25 trillion and nasdaq's is 11 trillion. Does this circus actually matter?

As for the hedge funds needing come up with money to recoup any losses... they don't necessarily need to sell the stocks that offered them a significant amount of gains last year. Melvin Capital already got 2 billion from Plotkin's old colleague who owns the Mets. They're fine. Plotkin might lose a little sleep or be a little embarrassed, but generally, he, his yachts, and hedge fund will be fine.

Also, short sellers lost over 40 billion on TSLA last year (another over valued meme stock). But, I haven't heard anyone say TSLA is going to crash the market. (https://fortune.com/2021/01/29/gamestop-stock-how-much-hedge-funds-have-lost-sellers-losses-gme-steve-cohen-point72-andrew-left-citron-research-short-squeeze/)

I wonder if this is anything more than a rare moment where a terrible bet based on internet group think paid off for normal people.

I looked at my 401K and my optional retirement accounts to see what was going on, my main account is up $200 for the month, my second biggest account is down 11 dollars, and my smallest retirement account is up 9 dollars. So, even with this side show, I "earned" $198 so far this month from speculation. The only part of my investment portfolio that is sucking are my horrible retail trades (and the fact that my XRP are forever lost in that wallet)...I bought high sold low with AirBnB, memed out with BB, and the rest of my garbage picks are down from years ago (at least a few pay dividends so I'm coming up at a break even point soon for a couple of them).


Finally, I wonder if investing is like skateboarding... should we be investing in shit that is actually good and doing cool shit, or should we be investing in Zumiez? Like, I love supporting Anti-Hero because their boards are amazing, but they're never going to make as much money as that stupid company with the cats and aliens (I'm blanking on their name) despite that company being run like shit and selling garbage.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on January 30, 2021, 10:18:07 PM
Has anyone even mentioned how fucked this will be for the brokerage companies?

Hedge funds are small peas in the game.

This is gonna be a disaster yet hilarious to watch unfold.

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BallDontLie on January 30, 2021, 10:24:05 PM
But it seems like that’s the catch... especially right now with how much of an impact social media has. It’s crazy to think a year ago (i think? Not sure when gme started it’s rise) game stop was i believe on the verge of bankruptcy, no? now here we are.

I’m trying to think long term, but damn it’s hard not to bite on the hot hand. I put some away for nok and amc both on cash app. Robinhood I’m gonna let it play out and see what happens before moving to another app..
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on January 30, 2021, 10:29:46 PM
But it seems like that’s the catch... especially right now with how much of an impact social media has. It’s crazy to think a year ago (i think? Not sure when gme started it’s rise) game stop was i believe on the verge of bankruptcy, no? now here we are.

I’m trying to think long term, but damn it’s hard not to bite on the hot hand. I put some away for nok and amc both on cash app. Robinhood I’m gonna let it play out and see what happens before moving to another app..

Good luck and keep your eyes open. Regulators are already on this situation trying to figure out wtf to do.

The mass of buyers DO NOT WANT to sell, they are holding them accountable for their actions, legally.

Everyday new stocks will be popping up(or at least frequently) that get fuckin bumrushed. All of them will be very cheap, almost hilarious companies just holding on(as it gets the message across that normal folk have figured out their tactics)

BlackBerry or tootsie roll for instance
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Mouth on January 31, 2021, 12:57:02 AM
Another factor that can have a big impact are bots, which now make up the majority of market trading. When the volitily resulting from gme etc starts triggering their algos, it can lead to a vicious cycle of destabilisation with far-reaching effects.
 
Still, I'm all for r/wallstreetbets. Going to be interesting to see how things play out next week.

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on January 31, 2021, 01:09:02 AM
Another factor that can have a big impact are bots, which now make up the majority of market trading. When the volitily resulting from gme etc starts triggering their algos, it can lead to a vicious cycle of destabilisation with far-reaching effects.
 
Still, I'm all for r/wallstreetbets. Going to be interesting to see how things play out next week.

Great point.

Wsb is over 7 million people now in not that long of a period too. As they project what to invest in next, that number is going to rise incredibly (I'd assume with all the attention).

At some point I'd expect 1)illegal regulations 2)a hedgefund manager gets made a example ie Bernie madoff 3)class warfare and this doubles down hard

4)all of the above

Also, ahead of it's time

https://youtu.be/4srY7G7cha8
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sexualhelon on January 31, 2021, 02:21:55 AM
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Another factor that can have a big impact are bots, which now make up the majority of market trading. When the volitily resulting from gme etc starts triggering their algos, it can lead to a vicious cycle of destabilisation with far-reaching effects.
 
Still, I'm all for r/wallstreetbets. Going to be interesting to see how things play out next week.
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Great point.

Wsb is over 7 million people now in not that long of a period too. As they project what to invest in next, that number is going to rise incredibly (I'd assume with all the attention).

At some point I'd expect 1)illegal regulations 2)a hedgefund manager gets made a example ie Bernie madoff 3)class warfare and this doubles down hard

4)all of the above

Been on WSB for years and generally speaking I wouldn't follow their lead. It's basically what the community slogan says it is - 'Like 4chan found a bloomberg terminal.'

This type of thing has been happening in retail investing for a long, long time but previously the traditional investor had to try and go with the direction of 'big money' - i.e. hedge funds. With the internet putting all the little guys in touch and allowing them to form a collective, they can now equally fuck the hedge funds. Robinhood was, I believe, the first trading platform that did away with fees that would keep people from buying shares. It inspired a lot of people to download an app and try to invest without probably even knowing the definition.

Anyway, the interesting thing about GME that's pissing off the hedge funds is that this was a stated goal on the boards. GME was the most shorted stock on the market, or maybe the second, I'm not sure. This one guy on WSB, deepfuckingvalue, had invested 50k into GME some while back viewing it as a value stock and was down 30k. At some point the public information about the shorting stats were posted on the board.

People started pointing out that if collectively everyone would start buying and holding the shares then the hedge funds would be forced to buy them back - losing a whole lot of money. Basically, they loaned the shares out and have to return them w/ interest. They were betting that GME shares would go down. So this even allows people to make some pretty ridiculous calls, saying they'll sell a share of GME for 1k for which some desperate shorts might cave into buying.

That DFV guy? He's apparently still holding and apparently has 20+ million net profit. Usually WSB is like the equivalent of stocktwits - a bunch of dwoobers stocktwitting noise. But I find this all really entertaining to watch unfold.

Personally, I wouldn't get in at this point but I bought some shares at $40 expecting to lose it all and now look at this shit. I do expect GME to tank - but not back to $15 - at a certain point because in no way do these share values add up.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sk8ordontordie on January 31, 2021, 07:48:32 AM
I’m Holding amc long term, why not?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Nosferatu on January 31, 2021, 08:25:57 AM
I think a lot of people are going to end up losing a lot of money on gme and then the masses will move on from wallstreetbets, as they should. Fun while it lasts though.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on January 31, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
I think a lot of people are going to end up losing a lot of money on gme

I'll be blown away if it exceeds $400. It already seems as if it's deflating. Same with Dogecoin.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on January 31, 2021, 03:14:22 PM
I think a lot of people are going to end up losing a lot of money on gme and then the masses will move on from wallstreetbets, as they should. Fun while it lasts though.

yeah well, of course, because they stopped them to buy more... plus a lot of people arent "investing" theyre joining a meme to fuck over a fucking hedge fonds
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on January 31, 2021, 03:39:25 PM
Although r/WSB has typically been a first class cess pool of racist, ableist shit posting that I think of as boogaloo without the guns, this has been and continues to be great to watch. It's also going to be interesting to see the neoliberal government intervention to protect Wall Street. J'Biden has a chance to look real, real bad
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sk8ordontordie on January 31, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
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I'll be blown away if it exceeds $400. It already seems as if it's deflating. Same with Dogecoin.
Dogecoin is just a meme where if you bought low you should sell it it ever goes up crazy to make money. GME actually has value behind it with the shorts.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: 50mm on January 31, 2021, 09:22:57 PM
I've had Robinhood downloaded for like 2 years and never used it. Always thought about putting in 10 or 20 bucks but know trying to beat the market is dumb. Today I just said screw it, I'll throw in $40 to buy 3 AMC stock and see if these fuckers do it again. Gambling isn't my thing and if I ever go to a casino I give myself and my girlfriend a $20 so I don't feel bad about throwing this $40 in.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sexualhelon on February 01, 2021, 01:45:27 AM
I've had Robinhood downloaded for like 2 years and never used it. Always thought about putting in 10 or 20 bucks but know trying to beat the market is dumb. Today I just said screw it, I'll throw in $40 to buy 3 AMC stock and see if these fuckers do it again. Gambling isn't my thing and if I ever go to a casino I give myself and my girlfriend a $20 so I don't feel bad about throwing this $40 in.

If you're trying to 'beat' the market, you're destined to lose. Most people will do better investing on a longer time horizon - i.e. 5-10 years, retirement. In which case you'd be choosing value stocks or, better for most people, choosing some top ETF's going with the overall economy.

The average stock market return is about 10% per year for nearly the last century. So lets say you have 10k to put in a savings account or a large cap ETF. With the ETF you're hoping, and the odds are, you earn around 1k from your investment that year. With a savings account, something like .07%, so $7. Of course, by definition, there is some risk even in making what's considered a safe investment. You'll make a better return on getting a credit card with a good rewards program vs a savings account.

With GME, AMC, DOGE (or whatever shill coin) - those are more akin to gambling IMHO. Investing in DOGE vs Bitcoin or Eth is like betting on the commodity of concrete vs gold. DOGE was birthed as a joke and long term I don't see it's merit as a technology or commodity.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Mouth on February 01, 2021, 08:47:58 AM
Anyone else get in on xrp? I bought in on Saturday and stopped out 30% up. Then it went up another 50%. Then Mikey Taylor went all in. Then it crashed and burned bad.

I went from elation to horror and back to elation in a matter of hours.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: VCR on February 01, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
I had XRP before the SEC shit and made some quick change. Should have dumped some money back in but too late now.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: essal on February 02, 2021, 12:52:28 AM
stay the fuck out of XRP https://beincrypto.com/xrp-faces-more-exchange-suspensions-following-pump-dump-activity/

do a little bit of DD before committing any money into any form of investing... if not all of slap will own all of doge valued at $0.00000001 per coin that we bought at $0.8

BTC, ETH, EGLD- all long plans (3+ years).
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 02, 2021, 02:13:39 AM
Bought a couple of GME stocks just from following it for too long and getting FOMO. Feel like an idiot already but fuck it, we'll see what happens.

Anyone invested in renewable energy? Sounds like a more sensible option.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PAWL on February 02, 2021, 10:00:21 AM
Bought a couple of GME stocks just from following it for too long and getting FOMO. Feel like an idiot already but fuck it, we'll see what happens.

Anyone invested in renewable energy? Sounds like a more sensible option.
I'm with you man. Just gonna ignore it til it either explodes or my money has evaporated.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 02, 2021, 10:05:09 AM
Gnar'd for solidarity
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on February 02, 2021, 10:24:42 AM
This gme thing is crazy.

Mark Cuban says hold but between all the bullshit at robinhood and the fact that gme is basically blockbuster this whole thing is crazy.

I'm tempted to put down 100 for a share just to see what happens.

As I was typing this out I wonder what we be a safer bet... playing the 33% odds of betting on the first set of numbers on the roulette table ($100 turns to $300 if this hits) or betting $100 GME and hoping for "the moon"?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Mesteezo on February 02, 2021, 10:49:44 AM
Wall Street won this last week as soon as they successfully deployed diversion tactics by getting the masses to buy AMC, BB, NOK, NAKD, SNDL, and fucking DOGE coin. Guess who's hedge fund has a stake in AMC? Jon Soros. https://hedgefollow.com/stocks/AMC. Why isn't anybody talking about that fact? A bunch of undisciplined retail traders were never going to win a short war against the Soros playbook, I mean come on his daddy shorted the fucking British Pound against the Bank of England.

Divide and conquer, yo.

Maybe this kickstarts Occupy Wall Street pt 2, the aftermath of this will be interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Mesteezo on February 02, 2021, 11:00:03 AM

As I was typing this out I wonder what we be a safer bet... playing the 33% odds of betting on the first set of numbers on the roulette table ($100 turns to $300 if this hits) or betting $100 GME and hoping for "the moon"?

Funny story, for my 21st I went to Vegas with the homies. Decided to play some roulette and only playing red-black games of chance. First bet, 25 on black, comes out red. 2nd bet, 50 on black, comes out red. 3rd bet, 100 on black, comes out red. 4th bet, 200 on black, comes out red. 5th bet, 400 on black, comes out red. 6th bet, another 400 on black, another fucking red. Yeah, fuck roulette. I have the worst RNG.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 02, 2021, 11:16:27 AM
The thing with that strategy though is you're pretty much guaranteed to win as long as you can keep doubling your money. He would've eventually won and recouped all his losses, plus $25.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on February 02, 2021, 11:25:35 AM
The thing with that strategy though is you're pretty much guaranteed to win as long as you can keep doubling your money. He would've eventually won and recouped all his losses, plus $25.

The issue you run into is tables have a max bet, so even if you had a million to spend, you'd hit a cap. And also, as you said, you're only going to win back your initial first bet.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 02, 2021, 12:08:53 PM
Free $25 dollars though. But yeah I assumed casinos would have some way of stopping that otherwise pros would just be spamming roulette tables racking up money in incremental amounts
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on February 02, 2021, 12:46:12 PM
Free $25 dollars though. But yeah I assumed casinos would have some way of stopping that otherwise pros would just be spamming roulette tables racking up money in incremental amounts

And also, not to further shat on the idea since I thought about this before and thought I found some genius play, you wouldn't be guaranteed to even win your original bet if there was no cap because if it lands on the green 00, you'd lose.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on February 03, 2021, 01:29:22 AM
so has anyone on here the expertise to evaluate if the shorts have been stopped or covered up, or....?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 03, 2021, 04:14:50 AM
Not really but from from seeing how the narrative has changed so drastically on r/WSB I would say that the hedge funders have successfully covered their asses already. I don't think it's going to shoot up again. I'm gonna just forget about it and take it as a harsh lesson in my introduction to the world of investing. I'll keep the shares long term and who knows what will happen down the line.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on February 03, 2021, 04:49:49 AM
I guess everyone was too caught up in the mania to realize they were buying the top of GME and that jumping in pump and dumps don't work in your favor (e.g Dogecoin, XRP, Shiba Coin, Donut and the countless other random cryptos people hyped up). I saw a few telegrams groups cordinating because they knew everyone was trying to get rich quick. The Instagram comments on meme pages was a huge red flag. Everyone commenting how rich they're going to be and anyone who mentioned that Doge was a PnD got multiple comments calling them poor or dumb.

If the mainstream media and your friends and family who never cared about investing (aka gambling) are talking about it, you sell.

This story, whether it's true or not is what I reference whenever I see a lot hype around something. It saved me in the 2017 crypto bubble where I was able to sell close to the top. But it also caused me to miss out on some opportunities as I sat on the sidelines.

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“J. P. Morgan tells the story of how he would get his shoes shined every Wednesday at the same shop around the corner from his office. One day the shoe shine attendant asked him if he and his friends could buy some stock through Morgan’s brokerage. The three friends had about $40—a lot of money in 1929. Morgan politely refused, hurried back to his office, and ordered that his company was not to have a single share of stock on its books by the end of the day. Morgan simply asked, “If the shoe shine boys are buying stocks, who else is left?” Of course, the 1929 stock market crash was only a few days away, and Morgan looked like a genius. He was not a genius; he noted that the order flow was likely running out on the buy side. It wasn’t his army of analysts that showed him that. It was a public investor.

I just hate seeing people get fucked over then lose interest in investing forever because they think everything is a scam. The last two weeks were definitely entertaining though.

Also, the cringe at the WSB lingo that spread to every single platform. I know it's mostly a joke but the amount of people posting it everywhere and are still posting it leads me to believe they mean it.

"Diamond Hands, get out of here paper hands. Fuck of hedgie shill! I'm aping my entire life savings of 50k!! Support has arrived! HOLD!!!"
*posts screenshot of a 80% loss*
"I'm not fucking selling!!!! HOLD THE LINE!! WE'RE AT THE PART IN THE AVENGERS MOVIE WERE CAP LOST HIS SHIELD!! THE SQUEEZE WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW, I MEAN FRIDAY, ACTUALLY NEXT WEEK!!!"

/rant
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on February 03, 2021, 05:36:03 AM
yeah, I get all that and in general i would agree, but in my understanding $GME in particular was a special case as there are (were?) fucking massive short options on it, as such a short squeeze shouldve worked (which was the initial plan of WSB), the hype and meme stuff was just a means to get the stock high and the short squeeze running.

these short options lended more stock than there actually is (~ 130% of stocks), as such they could lose (theoritcally) indefinite money if they were forced to sell it back on a higher price, therefore you would actually earn a lot of money in the process (independently of the real economy or other stuff that a lot of people mix up). But I guess they cleared their shorts when brokers prohibited trading $GME, which is illegal in my opinion, but im no SEC or so
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Coastal Fever on February 03, 2021, 12:39:59 PM
I’ve decided that, for the time being, I want to get into something faster than ETFs, but less demanding and stressful than day trading/meme stocks.  BTC 100%.  Of course it could crumble like anything else, but it’s looking pretty nice right now. 

Celeb investors like Elon and Mark Cuban are singing it’s praises, there’s a Michael Saylor conference happening right now teaching top companies how to get in, big bank officials are downplaying it’s potential to the media then turning around and buying it up, credit card companies are looking to integrate it into their services, etc. 

Obviously I’ll keep a close eye out for signs of struggle, but I do feel based on my limited research that now is a very good time to hop on.  Following the r/Bitcoin advice, DCA and HODL.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ungzilla on February 03, 2021, 03:01:06 PM
no one actually uses bitcoin unless they're out to buy a bride and/or mdma on the darknet
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on February 03, 2021, 03:07:20 PM
The only argument I've heard that makes me back any of these silly cryptos is that some countries have pretty fucked up and corrupt banking systems, so bitcoin ends up being a good way to get money in and out of the country. However, now we need to trust the people converting BTC to the local currency. :|

That being said, I'm holding .2 of BTC and just letting it ride.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sexualhelon on February 04, 2021, 04:38:34 AM
The only argument I've heard that makes me back any of these silly cryptos is that some countries have pretty fucked up and corrupt banking systems, so bitcoin ends up being a good way to get money in and out of the country. However, now we need to trust the people converting BTC to the local currency. :|

That being said, I'm holding .2 of BTC and just letting it ride.

Cryptocurrencies right now are like the early days of the internet. Globally, we're still in our infancy when it comes to digitalization. I'd wager most countries have a ton of corruption when it comes to financial institutions - just think about all the financial crisis' and bank scandals.

We just put more trust in them because there are institutions like the FDIC that insure your accounts up to a certain amount. And, well, I'd still wager that's infinitely better than keeping money under your mattress. Here's an interesting write up from Transparency International: https://www.transparency.org/en/news/cpi-2020-trouble-in-the-top-25-countries.

You are actually insured in certain countries with crypto assets as long as you keep them on a crypto asset exchange - same as like with FDIC and the money in your bank account. But if you're going to use a hardware wallet and manage your own crypto assets then you're on your own, which is part of the ideology.

I think we're a ways away from any crypto being a tangible replacement for fiat currency. But Fiat money has attributed value because a government declares it legal tender - it has no intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies can be spent and received by anyone, anywhere, and at any time without the need for a bank or a government. When you read it like so, the application of it sounds pretty amazing but you also have to think of the economics.

If you're getting into cryptos as an investment, I'd consider them more commodities. So now if I compare them to gold then what's a better store of value in this day and age? You can also read into them and just judge for yourself which crypto has the better "balance sheet". Getting into crypto for quick money, and choosing something cheap so you have more room for profit faster, is much like day or swing trading. It's generally more volatile with larger swings, sure, but you're going either win big or (most) lose big.

If 5 years ago you'd invested some large sum in Google, Amazon, Square, or whatever company that's performed really well over that time frame you probably wouldn't be kicking yourself for not having put it all into Bitcoin. There's plenty of things you can invest in though aside from just putting your money into crypto or the stock market as well.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on February 04, 2021, 08:58:44 AM

You are actually insured in certain countries with crypto assets as long as you keep them on a crypto asset exchange - same as like with FDIC and the money in your bank account. But if you're going to use a hardware wallet and manage your own crypto assets then you're on your own, which is part of the ideology.

I think we're a ways away from any crypto being a tangible replacement for fiat currency. But Fiat money has attributed value because a government declares it legal tender - it has no intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies can be spent and received by anyone, anywhere, and at any time without the need for a bank or a government. When you read it like so, the application of it sounds pretty amazing but you also have to think of the economics.

The US dollar has value because people believe in its value not because the US gov tells anyone the value. Just the as bitcoin has no value outside the value people believe it has. Both are traded and "investors" decide the value. The key differences that I can think of are how interest rates affect the value of currency and the ability of countries to print new currency.

And, I can hand someone a five dollar bill and no bank, no internet, no anything is directly involved in that transaction. And there is no record of that transaction. The best anonymous way of transferring value is handing someone cash. Bitcoin isn't all that anonymous, especially if someone links their wallet to coinbase or something.

99% of these cryptocurrencies strike me as the same as Disney Dollars. But more often than not, just created by someone out to just make a quick buck.

And the thing that sold me on BTC not being viable is the absurdly long time it takes to send/receive it. I sent a few hundred dollars worth from myself to myself and it took hours.

Overall, I'm yet to see any real point to the whole crypto thing for most in developed countries with stable currencies.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ungzilla on February 04, 2021, 09:14:11 AM
the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on February 04, 2021, 10:35:28 AM
the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin

lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on February 04, 2021, 10:51:04 AM
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy

Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Shifty Flip on February 04, 2021, 11:21:46 AM
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.

I've been buying a few ounces of silver every week or two for the past few years. Bullion mostly, but also any silver I find at thrifts or yardsales.  Was super bummed when those reddit kooks started running it up. I'm not selling anytime soon. Same with my physical gold . It's just my side hustle, still have a Roth IRA, 401K, and 501C for my kid.  I'm positive im doing it completely wrong, but feels good to have something physical in hand.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: dunc on February 04, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.

Are you Satan?It's like investing in the sun or laughter. In no way can water ever be privatised. Its a basic human right  and a life force that should never have even been bottled. What's next? air?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on February 04, 2021, 12:08:51 PM
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
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I've been buying a few ounces of silver every week or two for the past few years. Bullion mostly, but also any silver I find at thrifts or yardsales.  Was super bummed when those reddit kooks started running it up. I'm not selling anytime soon. Same with my physical gold . It's just my side hustle, still have a Roth IRA, 401K, and 501C for my kid.  I'm positive im doing it completely wrong, but feels good to have something physical in hand.

that metal will add up eventually. a buddy of mine was chomping at the bit to drop on silver, due to the reddit stuff, and I sent him a graph of the year in silver to show that buying from a brokerage at $28+oz plus fees is an awful investment. I think you're doing it right, buying a few oz a week as well as the jewelry and stuff. you can melt it down and make your own bars. I've found metal on FB marketplace and craigslist on the low too.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sexualhelon on February 04, 2021, 12:59:16 PM
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You are actually insured in certain countries with crypto assets as long as you keep them on a crypto asset exchange - same as like with FDIC and the money in your bank account. But if you're going to use a hardware wallet and manage your own crypto assets then you're on your own, which is part of the ideology.

I think we're a ways away from any crypto being a tangible replacement for fiat currency. But Fiat money has attributed value because a government declares it legal tender - it has no intrinsic value. Cryptocurrencies can be spent and received by anyone, anywhere, and at any time without the need for a bank or a government. When you read it like so, the application of it sounds pretty amazing but you also have to think of the economics.
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The US dollar has value because people believe in its value not because the US gov tells anyone the value. Just the as bitcoin has no value outside the value people believe it has. Both are traded and "investors" decide the value. The key differences that I can think of are how interest rates affect the value of currency and the ability of countries to print new currency.

And, I can hand someone a five dollar bill and no bank, no internet, no anything is directly involved in that transaction. And there is no record of that transaction. The best anonymous way of transferring value is handing someone cash. Bitcoin isn't all that anonymous, especially if someone links their wallet to coinbase or something.

99% of these cryptocurrencies strike me as the same as Disney Dollars. But more often than not, just created by someone out to just make a quick buck.

And the thing that sold me on BTC not being viable is the absurdly long time it takes to send/receive it. I sent a few hundred dollars worth from myself to myself and it took hours.

Overall, I'm yet to see any real point to the whole crypto thing for most in developed countries with stable currencies.

While a cash transaction is more able to be completely anonymous, that's fine if it's $5 but what happens if it's 1 million? Carrying it around, pretty much anyone could just steal it. Hiding it under your bed - house could burn, you get robbed, etc... . Putting it in a bank account, big brother is going to notice. Or what if some other person witnesses the transaction?

Bitcoin is designed to allow its users to send and receive payments with an "acceptable" level of privacy as well as any other form of money. Long term, if we're talking large transactions, I'd think it offers some perks over dealing in cash - pros/cons. But, of course, I'm sure there's ways shady ways within the financial institutions that be to mask such things - probably even gone digital there these days. And if privacy is your concern,  you'd probably avoid the digital asset exchanges.

A transaction with BTC, for instance, should take at most 10 mins these days. Which is actually pretty quick if you think about how long it would take for someone in Japan to transfer X amount of money to someone in Mexico. Depends on the situation to a certain extent.

I think people instantly think of Bitcoin when they hear cryptocurrency and a misconception is that they're all meant to be attempting to take over fiat currencies. Ethereum, for instance, is not a cryptocurrency — it's a platform for creating decentralized products. Ether is the cryptocurrency that powers the Ethereum platform and blockchain.

And blockchain in general can solve tons of problems - just depends which specific issue you're focusing on: self sovereign identity, data monetization, data portability, etc...

I think the whitepapers for most of them are all pretty interesting. Curious to see how most of them pan out.

But, to be clear, for investing purposes just do your research in invest in whatever you deem fit. I think crypto is still a bit volatile for most people to stomach/understand what they're investing in. Much more simple and less risky for the majority to invest in large/mid/small cap etf's or whatever sector you feel you're the most informed about.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Shifty Flip on February 04, 2021, 01:11:57 PM
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Are you Satan?It's like investing in the sun or laughter. In no way can water ever be privatised. Its a basic human right  and a life force that should never have even been bottled. What's next? air?

I received a fine when I first moved to Colorado for putting a rain barrel before my spouting. Think it was 4-500$, for stealing water that's legally California's, or that's how the environmental police guy explained it to me at the time. I thought I was being pranked/hazed the entire time.  SoCal rippers will be wearing LV stillsuits in the future.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on February 04, 2021, 01:13:30 PM
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.

yes! https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_m1_money_stock just look at it at a 5year span or so
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on February 04, 2021, 01:38:59 PM
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
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yes! https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_m1_money_stock just look at it at a 5year span or so

this trips me up. isn't the availability of a fiat currency a partial indicator of its value? the greater the # of dollars floating around equates a lesser value of those dollars? I mean, I look at the buying power of USD, 59.1% inflation since 1999. $100 USD in '99 had the buying power of $159 today. That blows my mind. I mean, it's probably good for the rest of the world, but I'm pretty bummed on my few dollars being worth less and less
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: mclovin1336 on February 04, 2021, 01:58:35 PM
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the us dollar has value because you can't pay taxes in goats and bushels of corn and bitcoin
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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
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Wasn't something like 30-40% of all US dollars were printed in 2020 alone? Crazy to think about.
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yes! https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_m1_money_stock just look at it at a 5year span or so
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this trips me up. isn't the availability of a fiat currency a partial indicator of its value? the greater the # of dollars floating around equates a lesser value of those dollars? I mean, I look at the buying power of USD, 59.1% inflation since 1999. $100 USD in '99 had the buying power of $159 today. That blows my mind. I mean, it's probably good for the rest of the world, but I'm pretty bummed on my few dollars being worth less and less

yes, that is not a good sign, but it more or less is the problem of all currencies since there is no gold to back up a real value in a federal bank somewhere (as it used to). but the case in the US is one of the more extreme ones, as far as my stupid ass can say so. countries with "real" value to back their currency like norway (fossile fuels) are doing great. as such stuff with "real" value (real estate, gold, silver) is going up, because people and fonds are trying to save their ass. money is fictional, if you think about it. all debt is made up, the whole world is in debt, to whom?

the power of dollar is actually that oil is traded in dollars (petrodollar; see https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/072915/how-petrodollars-affect-us-dollar.asp), so that there will always be a demand of dollar. some people even go so far that the one aspect of iraq war was that iraq tried to stop trading oil in dollar (as was lybia). Im not sure how much of that is just conspiracy theory and what is made up.
but thinking about all the coups and assisinations of politicians by the CIA in socialist southern american countries are not helping much in this case.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on February 04, 2021, 02:09:03 PM
22% of US Dollars Printed in 2020.
https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/23-6-of-all-us-dollars-were-created-in-the-last-year

My question is, what does this actually mean and what growth in dollars should we see over an ever expanding economy? We need to have infinite growth in capitalism otherwise the system breaks down (despite this being outside the bounds of reality, since the world is not an infinite resource nor is it an infinite trash can). If we had the same amount of dollars that we had in 1999 would there be enough for the economy to shuffle money around? (or for wealthy people hoard it "of shore"?)

The US GDP was 10 trillion in 1999, 15 trillion in 2010 and 22 trillion today. In addition to the "quantitative easing" meant to promote growth via gov investment (Keynes), without printing money how does the economy expand? I don't see what the point is here unless we are trying fetishize limited quantities of things as the only things with value. I didn't make all the way through Piketty's Capital, what does he say about this? What does Krugman say?

Other than this sounding scary, what does it actually mean in terms of capitalism, gov investment into industry, and what are the benefits/cons of a limited resource = money. Maybe with BTC we can trade infinitely small amounts but with shit like gold it isn't going to be possible to trade with fractions of a flake of gold. (And what is gold's real value besides the fact that it doesn't corrode?)


While a cash transaction is more able to be completely anonymous, that's fine if it's $5 but what happens if it's 1 million? Carrying it around, pretty much anyone could just steal it. Hiding it under your bed - house could burn, you get robbed, etc... . Putting it in a bank account, big brother is going to notice. Or what if some other person witnesses the transaction?

Bitcoin is designed to allow its users to send and receive payments with an "acceptable" level of privacy as well as any other form of money. Long term, if we're talking large transactions, I'd think it offers some perks over dealing in cash - pros/cons. But, of course, I'm sure there's ways shady ways within the financial institutions that be to mask such things - probably even gone digital there these days. And if privacy is your concern,  you'd probably avoid the digital asset exchanges.

A transaction with BTC, for instance, should take at most 10 mins these days. Which is actually pretty quick if you think about how long it would take for someone in Japan to transfer X amount of money to someone in Mexico. Depends on the situation to a certain extent.

I think people instantly think of Bitcoin when they hear cryptocurrency and a misconception is that they're all meant to be attempting to take over fiat currencies. Ethereum, for instance, is not a cryptocurrency — it's a platform for creating decentralized products. Ether is the cryptocurrency that powers the Ethereum platform and blockchain.

And blockchain in general can solve tons of problems - just depends which specific issue you're focusing on: self sovereign identity, data monetization, data portability, etc...

I think the whitepapers for most of them are all pretty interesting. Curious to see how most of them pan out.

But, to be clear, for investing purposes just do your research in invest in whatever you deem fit. I think crypto is still a bit volatile for most people to stomach/understand what they're investing in. Much more simple and less risky for the majority to invest in large/mid/small cap etf's or whatever sector you feel you're the most informed about.

In terms personal ownership, theft is interesting, but its not like BTC is completely safe from theft. We seem to simply shift from physical theft to digital theft. It's not like people are good at protecting passwords. Also, we move from me physically losing my wallet to digitally losing my wallet (fucking XRP). I can't remember my bank password to save my life, but thankfully, the bank can reset that shit for me.

Also, if someone robs my bank or gets my log in for my bank, I'm getting my money back (my credit card number is stolen every couple of years and I'm yet to pay a penny for the shit that was purchased)... if someone robs my BTC wallet, I'm fucked.

In terms of payment, if I give someone money via credit I can dispute the charge, if I give money via BTC, I'm fucked (same for cash). 10 minutes is better than the hours I spent worrying about if money was being lost with my BTC transfer, but last time I used to my credit card it took a matter of seconds to transfer 30 dollars and when I needed to transfer thousands to pay some stupid bill the other day it only took about a minute via interac. And, sending money from bank to my trading account (to lose it all) it only takes a second or two (same with sending the money back to my bank).

And, in terms of cost on the environment, BTC "mining" isn't exactly helping us out much. A huge waste of energy.

I really don't see what problem BTC solves other than getting money in and out of countries where the rules are super gnarly (China for example), where the banking systems are super corrupt, and allowing a bit more privacy (I'm not stoked that I have to tell the US Gov how much money I have in Canada each year).

yes, that is not a good sign, but it more or less is the problem of all currencies since there is no gold to back up a real value in a federal bank somewhere (as it used to). but the case in the US is one of the more extreme ones, as far as my stupid ass can say so. countries with "real" value to back their currency like norway (fossile fuels) are doing great.

I'm not sure this is true nor does the notion that your USD is worth less that it was x years ago add up in all cases (inflation is a pretty imperfect measure of value as some commodities get more expensive and some get less expensive).

Part of Canada's currency value is related to the price of oil... we were stronger than the USD for a few brief moments in the past, we suck pretty hard right now.
(https://i.ibb.co/PDnxT3D/Screen-Shot-2021-02-04-at-2-12-29-PM.png)

Same goes for the Ruble which is garbage at this point. Last time I was in Moscow the USD was worth 32 rubles... my dollar gets me 75 rubles today.

And, in terms of the dollar being weaker in terms of commodities, I'd ask what commodities? Oil? Your dollar buys more oil today than it did 10 years ago. Housing? Yea the dollar buys a lot less house than it did 10 years ago. In terms of airline tickets? In terms of bananas? In terms of clothing?

This finite resource argument doesn't make sense to me in terms of anything other than idea of if I hoard something it should grow in value. Marx describes this person as a miser and he notes that this person is pretty terrible at capitalism. In capitalism, we are supposed to turn our Money into a Commodity and then back into more Money... not just sit on it.

Why would I ever part with my money, if I could earn more wealth from doing nothing? That doesn't sound like an ideal way to run a society.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: frankie5000 on February 04, 2021, 04:24:52 PM
as a dude who grew up in the hood yall are schooling me good! I thank you. as i move into my 30s i have been thinking about investments a lot more and want to move my money around to work for me. (not a bandwagoner lol) i hope this thread never dies. lots of good thought here.   
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: companguero on February 04, 2021, 04:46:06 PM
... another 400 on black, another fucking red. Yeah, fuck roulette. I have the worst RNG.
my first encouter with Roulette exposed me to the high of gambling. I love the simple mechanics. luckily I've only burned relatively-"extra" money and have paid minimal interest in almost 30 years of using credit.

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lol, the us dollar has only value because oil needs to be traded in dollar. otherwise that currency would be worthless, no offense. just look at the us dollar money supply, theyre "printing" that shit like crazy
Props to Wesley Snipes for sticking to his guns though. Bet on the most dangerous gamble (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Snipes#Income_tax_conviction) and lost over two years of his life in jail.

I received a fine when I first moved to Colorado for putting a rain barrel before my spouting. Think it was 4-500$, for stealing water that's legally California's, or that's how the environmental police guy explained it to me at the time. I thought I was being pranked/hazed the entire time.  SoCal rippers will be wearing LV stillsuits in the future.
This was enraging the first time I found out about this. I don't get how there is no provision excluding small capture for personal use.

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I really want to invest in water and agriculture but unsure how to do so if anyone has tips.
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Are you Satan? It's like investing in the sun or laughter. In no way can water ever be privatised...

"Michael Burry is investing in water (https://www.wyattresearch.com/article/investing-in-water/) and farmland, betting that limited supply and increasing demand will drive up prices over the long term."
As Burry states, “Fresh, clean water cannot be taken for granted. And it is not – water is political, and litigious.”
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"The primary way to invest in water is through water utility stocks.
Because this is primarily a regulated industry, there are a handful of water utility stocks that trade in the public markets... American Water Works (NYSE: AWK) & American States Water (NYSE: AWR)" for example. (maybe these aren't privatised? definitely owned tho.)

... and there are famous stories to check out like Dune and Tank Girl that put focus on this necessary resource.

What's next? air?

Shit, Why not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights)?
"Air rights are the property interest in the "space" above the earth's surface. Generally speaking, owning, or renting, land or a building includes the right to use and develop the space above the land without interference by others."
Imagine a scarcity of breathable air for various reasons: pollution, natural disaster, etc and technology is developed to clean it. That tech could be privately owned and its product (clean air) will be, too.

Why stop there? "Extraterrestrial real estate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_real_estate) refers to claims of land ownership on other planets, natural satellites, or parts of space by certain organizations or individuals."
Human history has shown all you need is the threat of violence and the capability to carry it out so you can "stake your claim".

People own[ed] people! Not much off limits!
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Dad_Brains on February 04, 2021, 05:03:47 PM
Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ungzilla on February 04, 2021, 07:01:41 PM
virtually everything in that ridiculous investopedia article is varying degrees of wrong or misleading. anyone interested in monetary policy should look into MMT though, Stephanie Kelton, L Randall Wray, and Warren Mosler are some prominent economists from that school of thought, and it's actually pretty interesting.


also if your sources are zerohedge, cut that shit out. try nakedcapitalism instead.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: G raham on February 06, 2021, 01:20:29 AM
no one actually uses bitcoin unless they're out to buy a bride and/or mdma on the darknet

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1340836877595594752.html
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 06, 2021, 03:55:34 PM
Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one

Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on February 06, 2021, 04:44:51 PM
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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.

my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 06, 2021, 05:45:16 PM
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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.
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my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.

I'm sure tons. I wish I started investing when I was a teenager, to have had that financial literacy and awareness would've been so beneficial for my well-being. Unfortunately no one really sat me down and explained that side of life to me.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Dad_Brains on February 06, 2021, 07:34:54 PM
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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.
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my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.
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I'm sure tons. I wish I started investing when I was a teenager, to have had that financial literacy and awareness would've been so beneficial for my well-being. Unfortunately no one really sat me down and explained that side of life to me.

This right here. All three of my daughters will get that talk amongst other talks in their teenage years...
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on February 06, 2021, 09:53:24 PM
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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.
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my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.
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I'm sure tons. I wish I started investing when I was a teenager, to have had that financial literacy and awareness would've been so beneficial for my well-being. Unfortunately no one really sat me down and explained that side of life to me.

Oh ya, man. No one talked to me about it either until I was a broke adult trying get to know my shitbag grandfather who'd instead be laying a guilt trip on me because I wasn't in the military, didn't play golf, didn't buy stocks, blah blah blah. That grandfather didn't talk to the family until his 7th wife died. Motherfuck was buying decades of ratheyon stocks while the product of his sperm were poor as fuck living in low income housing. Dude came crawling back in his late 70s when he'd burned everyone everywhere else, sold his business, etc asking for people to care for him and continues to gas light the whole family for the next 10 years. dude dies, he's got 6 kids and 10 grandkids who all took him back in after not seeing him for decades mind you, and leaves all his shit to one of his ex wives already filthy rich CPA kids. But ya, my parents don't know shit about investing, so I've been on a journey to figure out what to do with money. I really just want to buy a property and let that gain value.

edit: went on a rant. my b. the old man gets my blood boiling sometimes
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 07, 2021, 04:15:07 PM
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Sold one of my rentals this week. Was meant to be a long term hold but maintenance issues and the year 2020 stopped that so figured I’d sell and let someone else have it. Paid $337k just over three years ago and sold for $695k so quite the return on that one
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Goddamn. Congratulations.

I started an investment portfolio back in December. My first. I read several books and several newscasts to prepare for it. I'm handling it myself as well; I started a practice account with my bank before the real thing, and it went well. It's recommended to have a portfolio advisor assist you but honestly, I think I can do it myself. I'm not trying to make a quick buck.

I've bought some stable Vanguard ETFS and I've bought airline stock. The airline stock is low and it continues to get lower (i.e. I'm losing money), but once the pandemic eases up, I'm pretty sure the industry will see a big resurgence.

Basically, I'm not in it for the short term. I'm planning on keeping most of the stocks that I own for the next five years at least. That's the basic advice that the books I've read adhere to - don't follow "hot leads" and invest for the long term. I can handle losing a few hundred dollars now to make a few more later.

Maybe when I have more money I can play around with small-cap stocks. I heard there's a new Tesla-like company that's producing more family-friendly vehicles for example - that's something I'd be interested in if I had more money to spare. But my major financial focus is on eliminating all my debt and saving for a down payment on a mortgage at this time.
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my grandfather was a total scum bag but he always said to buy/keep stocks for the long run. he was all about military industrial complex stocks. I can't imagine what 60+ years of buying those stocks and government bonds added up to.
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I'm sure tons. I wish I started investing when I was a teenager, to have had that financial literacy and awareness would've been so beneficial for my well-being. Unfortunately no one really sat me down and explained that side of life to me.
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Oh ya, man. No one talked to me about it either until I was a broke adult trying get to know my shitbag grandfather who'd instead be laying a guilt trip on me because I wasn't in the military, didn't play golf, didn't buy stocks, blah blah blah. That grandfather didn't talk to the family until his 7th wife died. Motherfuck was buying decades of ratheyon stocks while the product of his sperm were poor as fuck living in low income housing. Dude came crawling back in his late 70s when he'd burned everyone everywhere else, sold his business, etc asking for people to care for him and continues to gas light the whole family for the next 10 years. dude dies, he's got 6 kids and 10 grandkids who all took him back in after not seeing him for decades mind you, and leaves all his shit to one of his ex wives already filthy rich CPA kids. But ya, my parents don't know shit about investing, so I've been on a journey to figure out what to do with money. I really just want to buy a property and let that gain value.

edit: went on a rant. my b. the old man gets my blood boiling sometimes

Sorry to hear that. Family and money can be a destructive combo, I know that from personal experience and my mom's relationship with her eleven brothers and sisters. A great gift for a parent or grandparent to give is an appointment to the bank to start a portfolio, in my opinion. If it matters, get it started.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: 50mm on February 07, 2021, 07:26:29 PM
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I've had Robinhood downloaded for like 2 years and never used it. Always thought about putting in 10 or 20 bucks but know trying to beat the market is dumb. Today I just said screw it, I'll throw in $40 to buy 3 AMC stock and see if these fuckers do it again. Gambling isn't my thing and if I ever go to a casino I give myself and my girlfriend a $20 so I don't feel bad about throwing this $40 in.
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If you're trying to 'beat' the market, you're destined to lose. Most people will do better investing on a longer time horizon - i.e. 5-10 years, retirement. In which case you'd be choosing value stocks or, better for most people, choosing some top ETF's going with the overall economy.

The average stock market return is about 10% per year for nearly the last century. So lets say you have 10k to put in a savings account or a large cap ETF. With the ETF you're hoping, and the odds are, you earn around 1k from your investment that year. With a savings account, something like .07%, so $7. Of course, by definition, there is some risk even in making what's considered a safe investment. You'll make a better return on getting a credit card with a good rewards program vs a savings account.

With GME, AMC, DOGE (or whatever shill coin) - those are more akin to gambling IMHO. Investing in DOGE vs Bitcoin or Eth is like betting on the commodity of concrete vs gold. DOGE was birthed as a joke and long term I don't see it's merit as a technology or commodity.
Never responded but yeah that’s what I meant. It’s a gamble to me and nothing serious. Was more akin to buying a llotto ticket.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 07, 2021, 10:51:44 PM
Is anyone gonna buy 23andme stock? They're going public soon.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/23-and-me-to-go-public-at-35-billion-with-sir-richard-bransons-spac-145723271.html
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on February 08, 2021, 12:18:01 AM
Is anyone gonna buy 23andme stock? They're going public soon.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/23-and-me-to-go-public-at-35-billion-with-sir-richard-bransons-spac-145723271.html

Other than the Virgin Airline guy buying this company, why do you think 23andMe a good investment?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dna-genomics-company-23andme-gets-130446160.html


Also, I fucking blew it on my AirBnB stock. Bought and then panic sold most of it at a loss. If I would have just played it cool, I'd be up 19% in less than 60 days. (AirBnB is such a terrible company as it fucks renters and those who want to buy a home to actually live in it. I rent from them, but the guilt is pretty strong.)

I'm going down with the ship with this stupid ass BlackBerry WSB. Hopefully, enough people on the internet post rocketship emoji's and this stock goes up.

My only investments that are consistently going up are my 401K and my optional 401K like accounts that are made up of picks like FOCKX. Also, one of the companies I work for forces me to invest 10% of my pre-tax pay into a super conservative short-term investment fund. It has offered a consistent 3-4% return each year.

All this being said, I feel like complete shit for being involved in the stock market in anyway. I don't like the fact that I'm gaining from speculation and from stock dividends (basically stealing the surplus labor from those who actually work for a living). My buddy is developing a decent income from buying homes renting them out. I feel like we are both scum. My 401Ks steal surplus labor (and will never add up to enough to retire) and he overcharges on a basic human necessity to also steal from those who work for a living. We both gain from sitting on our asses.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ChuckRamone on February 08, 2021, 12:30:03 AM
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Is anyone gonna buy 23andme stock? They're going public soon.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/23-and-me-to-go-public-at-35-billion-with-sir-richard-bransons-spac-145723271.html
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Other than the Virgin Airline guy buying this company, why do you think 23andMe a good investment?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dna-genomics-company-23andme-gets-130446160.html


Also, I fucking blew it on my AirBnB stock. Bought and then panic sold most of it at a loss. If I would have just played it cool, I'd be up 19% in less than 60 days. (AirBnB is such a terrible company as it fucks renters and those who want to buy a home to actually live in it. I rent from them, but the guilt is pretty strong.)

I'm going down with the ship with this stupid ass BlackBerry WSB. Hopefully, enough people on the internet post rocketship emoji's and this stock goes up.

My only investments that are consistently going up are my 401K and my optional 401K like accounts that are made up of picks like FOCKX. Also, one of the companies I work for forces me to invest 10% of my pre-tax pay into a super conservative short-term investment fund. It has offered a consistent 3-4% return each year (not amazing, but it is now enough for a decent used car).

All this being said, I feel like complete shit for being involved in the stock market in anyway. I don't like the fact that I'm gaining from speculation and from stock dividends (basically stealing the surplus labor from those who actually work for a living). My buddy is developing a decent income from buying homes renting them out. I feel like we are both scum. My 401Ks steal surplus labor (and will never add up to enough to retire) and he overcharges on a basic human necessity to also steal from those who work for a living. We both gain from sitting on our asses.

I think personal genomics will continue to grow, especially as it's developed further to be of more practical use. Also, they'll probably figure out a way to profit even more massively off people's genetic data in the future, which kind of goes back to what you were discussing about the ethics of investing in the stock market. 23andme seems a tad sketchy in that way, just like tech companies profiting off people's data. But, that notwithstanding, I think it might make for a decent investment.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PAWL on February 09, 2021, 11:14:27 AM
my new stock is HCMC.. share are a fraction of a cent now, and apparently theres some patent case they have against phillip morris that they're likely to win. Small cost to buy in, and if it goes up to a dollar, or even like 50 cents thats pretty easy money.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: frankie5000 on February 09, 2021, 04:09:00 PM
Tilray is on the move again if you like weed stocks. been thinking about getting in on some airline stock long term since it has been down. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: 50mm on February 09, 2021, 04:11:13 PM
 Bought a little APHY at 17 over the weekend. It’s at 27 within 2 days.
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Post by: TheLurper on February 10, 2021, 12:35:18 AM
Bought a little APHY at 17 over the weekend. It’s at 27 within 2 days.

What inspired you to buy this stock?
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Post by: rawr1922 on February 10, 2021, 09:43:42 PM
my new stock is HCMC.. share are a fraction of a cent now, and apparently theres some patent case they have against phillip morris that they're likely to win. Small cost to buy in, and if it goes up to a dollar, or even like 50 cents thats pretty easy money.

 
Thanks for sharing. Gonna buy shares soon. 
 
Any other penny stocks you guys like? Gonna follow the cookie cutter advice & invest in at least 10 companies. Pretty exciting, just gonna hold onto them for years. If just one reaches a $1, big payout. My new side job gonna fund these shenanigans. Buying shares in TGIFF soon too   
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: frankie5000 on February 18, 2021, 04:07:48 PM
do any of you use acorn ? or any good apps ?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: 50mm on February 18, 2021, 08:53:26 PM
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Bought a little APHA at 17 over the weekend. It’s at 27 within 2 days.
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What inspired you to buy this stock?
At the time I was just looking for stock I could afford. I saw consistent growth over the past year. I don't know anything about stock but I saw a huge market cap, fairly small # of employee's, read some of the analysts thoughts on it that had just come out. I was not trying to jump on the weed train just for the reddit bs. Actually bought it before the weed meme stock thing happened last week those retards at reddit all just happened to buy it a few days later, boosted it and then it dropped. I've seen some people say that US weed legalization will have no effect on a big, growing Canadian weed company but that is fucking regular. I don't see how the weed market becoming legal and totally opening up to them would be a bad thing. I'm not a business person but they are merging/merged with Tilray, which is incorporated in the US, creating the biggest multinational cannabis company in the world and are teaming up with Annheiser-Busch to do craft beer and cannabis infused drinks.

I know nothing about stock, but that all sounds like a business that will continue to grow long term. From the surface level stuff I've read from Analysts on Robinhood, APHA expanded slowly and smartly and has money to invest and expand in the future. Supposedly it's worth jumping on now before the merger is reflected on investors in the next month or two. I don't know how its going to work, one thing I read said if you had APHA stock you would get .8 Tilray when the merger is done but I have no clue what I'm talking about. I just started this shit 2 weeks ago. But I had been keeping my eye's on APHA, and bought shares. It was growing for days and then everyone on reddit bought weed stock and it shot way up for a day or two and came back down but is still up from when I bought while most of the other weed stocks just fizzled our or went haywire, APHA is still on course.

I have a pension from my previous job that will continue to gain interest until I retire, but I fear their retirement system is going to implode before I get there. I'm building a new 401k at my new job. I am not counting on social security being funded when I retire either. I'd like to get into long term investing but right now I'm playing with a few bucks I put in early in the month and actually learning how the market works. I don't plan on playing day trader trying to beat the market every day. I'm having fun with this for now but I've wanted to learn more about investing for years and just putting a few bucks in Robinhood, losing some, gaining some has made me learn a lot. All my money will be going into my 401k, but I think it's also a good idea to just throw 20 in every check and maybe not look at it every day, which is what I need to be better about doing, just forgetting it.
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Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 19, 2021, 05:39:35 AM
What's APHY? Google isn't showing me anything
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Post by: 50mm on February 19, 2021, 06:53:14 AM
What's APHY? Google isn't showing me anything
Sorry, its APHA. Don't know why I can stop writing it wrong.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: shitsandwich on February 19, 2021, 02:47:50 PM
Is it always a good time to invest in cryptos? I put in a little bit of money and want to put in some more. Do I wait until its down or should I just put in money whenever I have some spare?
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Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on February 19, 2021, 05:23:30 PM
Is it always a good time to invest in cryptos? I put in a little bit of money and want to put in some more. Do I wait until its down or should I just put in money whenever I have some spare?

Let me preface by saying I barely know stonks and crypto is still odd to me.
I'll cite bitcoin as a reference.

prices would dip if people sold something, right?
so, if nobody is selling bitcoin (correct me if I'm wrong), the price can only stay put or go up.

I've got 1% of bitcoin stock and that's probably all I'll put in. Not trying to go crazy with it and watch it endlessly.

I put in whatever I'm willing to lose.
 
On the other side of things,Dogecoin is awfully inexpensive too. That seems like one you have to watch constantly since it's fluctuated so much in the past few weeks.

Even throwing a bit in could do something great in the next few years.
Again, this is assuming crypto pops off the way people are speculating.

Buying on dips ain't a bad idea. You could also save and buy real estate; god ain't making any more of it.

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: 50mm on February 19, 2021, 07:35:51 PM
APHA gains again today
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Post by: Rockin Robbin on February 19, 2021, 10:43:37 PM
My ASML has gone up 148% in two years. Should've bought more.

I only play with what I'm willing to lose, as others have said.

All big chunks of money are in Vanguard and 401k. Slow burners.
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Post by: rawr1922 on February 25, 2021, 11:04:03 AM
A few pals recommended Vanguard. Definitely gonna start putting money into that for long term.

Been playing with penny stocks, fun and unpredictable. Bought 100,000 shares of HCMC. Been sinking really fast lately .0025 today  :-[ Company filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Philip Morris. Apparently tomorrow, PM supposed to announce how they intend to respond.

Also bought shares in CLIS. $0.28 right now. Some hype around a language app they developed called Hey Pal.

Thinking about buying some shares in a weed stock maybe TGIFF.

Any penny stocks you guys like? Looking for more to buy
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Post by: sbmfj on February 25, 2021, 05:29:32 PM
I got burned on that weed ETF bought at the top of the WSB hype, and its down to 14. Ill wait it out. (HMMJ)
Had been watching all Jan and was lazy and didnt pull the trigger at 8ish...
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Post by: Mouth on February 25, 2021, 11:53:18 PM
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Is it always a good time to invest in cryptos? I put in a little bit of money and want to put in some more. Do I wait until its down or should I just put in money whenever I have some spare?
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Let me preface by saying I barely know stonks and crypto is still odd to me.
I'll cite bitcoin as a reference.

prices would dip if people sold something, right?
so, if nobody is selling bitcoin (correct me if I'm wrong), the price can only stay put or go up.

I've got 1% of bitcoin stock and that's probably all I'll put in. Not trying to go crazy with it and watch it endlessly.

I put in whatever I'm willing to lose.
 
On the other side of things,Dogecoin is awfully inexpensive too. That seems like one you have to watch constantly since it's fluctuated so much in the past few weeks.

Even throwing a bit in could do something great in the next few years.
Again, this is assuming crypto pops off the way people are speculating.

Buying on dips ain't a bad idea. You could also save and buy real estate; god ain't making any more of it.

Some good advice in there...

Right now is either a very good time to buy (We are in a dip?) or a very bad time (We are at the top of and bullish/bearish trend reversal) The market is at a critical tipping point and it will be very interesting to see how things evolve over the few days.

The critical factor is the Nasdaq, and to a lesser extent the other equity markets, which are beginning to show cracks. London is about to open and I expect the sell off will continue. If it really goes, the price of BTC will be the least of our concerns.

As for me, I'm out of the market at the moment with buy orders (Bitcoin and Cardano) in place below the current valuation. But not far below.

That said, it doesn't hurt to put a small amount into BTC on Coinbase, just to give you a reason to watch the market and gain an intuitive understanding of how it behaves. You can always scale up from there. Now is probably not the time to dive in head first.

For what it's worth, some of the other coins you might want to pay attention to are Etherium (ETH), Cardano (ADA), Chainlink (LINK), Binance (BNB), Polkadot (DOT) and if you're feeling daring Voyager (BQX) and Venus (XVS).

Good luck!
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on February 26, 2021, 05:29:55 AM
Saw this in an email this morning....

"What would you do?

A Philippine crypto exchange is demanding users return Bitcoin bought at $6,000 following a systems error. Pdax recently suffered a technical failure that led to Bitcoin trading at a discount of 88% to its current price. Investors jumped on it and then moved the assets off the exchange. And now PDX wants it back, but people are balking. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 

I once had a penny stock that went from $0.50 a share to over $100,000 in my account, but five minutes later it was back to reality."
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on February 26, 2021, 12:36:32 PM
Lost all my crypto profits when Elon Musk fucked the price of everything the other day and so have doubled down on it all hoping it will creep back up eventually. No idea what I'm doing really
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: BL0B on March 06, 2021, 04:32:38 PM
BTFD people, be careful! market looks like a bulltrap to me.

institutions have been selling for months now and retail has been buying.

but i'm just a big old bear so what do i know?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: KBizzle on March 06, 2021, 04:54:17 PM
Anyone into NBA Top Shot?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Bitter on March 07, 2021, 03:16:53 PM
Anyone into NBA Top Shot?

Quickly becoming obsessed. I was into sports cards as a kid. Nowadays, I see how digital goods are becoming as collectable as physical goods (via Fortnite, Roblox, etc). So I've been entering into the Top Shot pack lotteries. Yesterday I got a $14 pack that had a Nikola Jokic card worth $165. The prices are definitely inflated because of the hype. So I'm just going to stick with pack lotteries. Flip most cards. Keep ones that have personal connection (home team, favorite players, etc). 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on March 07, 2021, 11:27:26 PM
I kind of understand, but I also don't understand the point of these non-fungibles.

I mean like there is something to owning a skate DVD opposed to just watching on Youtube, but I'm down to pay 20 for a DVD but not 10K for a IG post.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on March 09, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
I kind of understand, but I also don't understand the point of these non-fungibles.

I mean like there is something to owning a skate DVD opposed to just watching on Youtube, but I'm down to pay 20 for a DVD but not 10K for a IG post.

I think NFTs are pure hype. Artists selling digital pieces for crazy amounts but all you need to do is right click, save image/ video as...
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sometimeperhaps on March 09, 2021, 02:14:28 PM
Just heard about it the other day, and starting to read into it. I just don’t get it...it seems like scam. Maybe it’s over my head or something.

So I "own" this piece of art/video/image/song an artist created. But then you can view this same item online, just like me. Except I paid a few hundred dollars to be the owner. What am I paying for exactly? If it's a photo, maybe I get the hi-res file and I can print it and hang to my wall. But if it's something entirely digital, what's the point?

Is this just some way to make money off hype? Launder money/crypto?

I just don't think I get it...

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Bitter on March 10, 2021, 07:38:24 AM
Bought a $199 pack of NBA Top Shot cards on Sunday. Yesterday I sold all the cards individually. Made over $500 profit. The prices definitely seem inflated, but I’m taking advantage of the moment. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on March 10, 2021, 08:54:12 AM
I had to google what a Top shot was. Times have changed!!

I have, for god knows what reason, all these sealed mini basketball cards that came in bag of chips years ago - late 80's / early 90's. Why do I hold on to this crap...
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: KBizzle on March 10, 2021, 09:56:55 AM
Bought a $199 pack of NBA Top Shot cards on Sunday. Yesterday I sold all the cards individually. Made over $500 profit. The prices definitely seem inflated, but I’m taking advantage of the moment.

100% my plan with all of this currently.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on March 10, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
Who bought them from you? Just rich old dudes?

Also, fucking gme is at 231 again.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on March 10, 2021, 12:43:21 PM
Watched all my money that I assumed as gone forever when I bought GME on the way down come right back up today, then go 30% above. Couldn't believe it. Then went on instagram for 10 minutes and when I came back it had all gone again.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on March 10, 2021, 12:49:09 PM
Roll the dice!!!

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on March 10, 2021, 01:01:04 PM
I'm too much of a pussy to buy more but I'm holding out, let's see what happens
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Bitter on March 10, 2021, 01:07:36 PM
Who bought them from you? Just rich old dudes?

I kept my prices low to make quick sales. So I'm guessing other flippers bought them. But I'm sure rich old dudes are in there. Lots of talk about the Chinese getting access soon and buying everything up. Apparently younger NBA players are obsessed with it too. The player's union gets a cut. So it's in their best interest to hype it up.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Shifty Flip on March 10, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
 One random morning almost 3 weeks ago, while paying for services on cash app, saw they now offered stocks and bitcoin services. On a whim, because of this thread, I bought 250$ in GME. Almost 5.5 shares. Around 45 each. The first stock I've ever purchased on my own. Gains now multiple hundreds %, and even with this afternoon, is good. I could care less.  I only expected to lose it all anyways, so any profit in the end is great. It'll all go towards my son's college in 14 year anyhow.  Trying to hold until a split at least.

Only other thing I do regularly is buy physical silver and gold. Small amounts, but with the run on silver recently, it took all the fun out of it.  Truthfully, I just want something tangible I'm my hand. And fiat paper money does not count. Creature of jeckyl island is a must read book.

Also finally refinanced to a 15 year 2.6% mortgage, from a 4.7% 30 year (still had 24 years to go). Monthly mortgage payment dropped 75$.  Now I should be completely debt free, own our own home in 5 years. I triple my principle every payment, and get 20 k in bonuses most years, that go straight to principle. Having been legitimately homeless/ junked out most of my 20s, and now sober for many years, just gotta to show how much money I waisted on straight junk.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on March 10, 2021, 02:04:11 PM
One random morning almost 3 weeks ago, while paying for services on cash app, saw they now offered stocks and bitcoin services. On a whim, because of this thread, I bought 250$ in GME. Almost 5.5 shares. Around 45 each. The first stock I've ever purchased on my own. Gains now multiple hundreds %, and even with this afternoon, is good. I could care less.  I only expected to lose it all anyways, so any profit in the end is great. It'll all go towards my son's college in 14 year anyhow.  Trying to hold until a split at least.

Only other thing I do regularly is buy physical silver and gold. Small amounts, but with the run on silver recently, it took all the fun out of it.  Truthfully, I just want something tangible I'm my hand. And fiat paper money does not count. Creature of jeckyl island is a must read book.

Also finally refinanced to a 15 year 2.6% mortgage, from a 4.7% 30 year (still had 24 years to go). Monthly mortgage payment dropped 75$.  Now I should be completely debt free, own our own home in 5 years. I triple my principle every payment, and get 20 k in bonuses most years, that go straight to principle. Having been legitimately homeless/ junked out most of my 20s, and now sober for many years, just gotta to show how much money I waisted on straight junk.

GME isn't a $250+ stock right now because it's doing good as a company. If I was you, I'd cash that out soon while it's hot and then put the money in another stock for long term. I know you said you couldn't care less but why have your $250 grow to 2k just to let sit and go back to $250? Essentially throwing away a few thousand you got for free.

I don't know how the GME situation will play out but I'd suggest reading more about it and why it's a special case.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: KBizzle on March 10, 2021, 02:06:23 PM
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Who bought them from you? Just rich old dudes?
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I kept my prices low to make quick sales. So I'm guessing other flippers bought them. But I'm sure rich old dudes are in there. Lots of talk about the Chinese getting access soon and buying everything up. Apparently younger NBA players are obsessed with it too. The player's union gets a cut. So it's in their best interest to hype it up.

Aaron Gordon, Andre Iggy and a few other players are investors in Top Shot. Def worth buying as much as you can before it gets too crazy.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Shifty Flip on March 10, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
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One random morning almost 3 weeks ago, while paying for services on cash app, saw they now offered stocks and bitcoin services. On a whim, because of this thread, I bought 250$ in GME. Almost 5.5 shares. Around 45 each. The first stock I've ever purchased on my own. Gains now multiple hundreds %, and even with this afternoon, is good. I could care less.  I only expected to lose it all anyways, so any profit in the end is great. It'll all go towards my son's college in 14 year anyhow.  Trying to hold until a split at least.

Only other thing I do regularly is buy physical silver and gold. Small amounts, but with the run on silver recently, it took all the fun out of it.  Truthfully, I just want something tangible I'm my hand. And fiat paper money does not count. Creature of jeckyl island is a must read book.

Also finally refinanced to a 15 year 2.6% mortgage, from a 4.7% 30 year (still had 24 years to go). Monthly mortgage payment dropped 75$.  Now I should be completely debt free, own our own home in 5 years. I triple my principle every payment, and get 20 k in bonuses most years, that go straight to principle. Having been legitimately homeless/ junked out most of my 20s, and now sober for many years, just gotta to show how much money I waisted on straight junk.
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GME isn't a $250+ stock right now because it's doing good as a company. If I was you, I'd cash that out soon while it's hot and then put the money in another stock for long term. I know you said you couldn't care less but why have your $250 grow to 2k just to let sit and go back to $250? Essentially throwing away a few thousand you got for free.

I don't know how the GME situation will play out but I'd suggest reading more about it and why it's a special case.

Forgot to mention I cashed out my 250 initial yesterday morning. I'm clear and even now no matter what. Also don't plan to keep GME past the very near future. But will keep any and all earning in whatever seems prudent at the time. Mostly a hobby that could possibly pay to me at this time.   But now I'm considering opening an actual day account somewhere. Definitely cashing the rest out if it goes over 500. Immediately
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sexualhelon on March 11, 2021, 03:43:53 AM
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One random morning almost 3 weeks ago, while paying for services on cash app, saw they now offered stocks and bitcoin services. On a whim, because of this thread, I bought 250$ in GME. Almost 5.5 shares. Around 45 each. The first stock I've ever purchased on my own. Gains now multiple hundreds %, and even with this afternoon, is good. I could care less.  I only expected to lose it all anyways, so any profit in the end is great. It'll all go towards my son's college in 14 year anyhow.  Trying to hold until a split at least.

Only other thing I do regularly is buy physical silver and gold. Small amounts, but with the run on silver recently, it took all the fun out of it.  Truthfully, I just want something tangible I'm my hand. And fiat paper money does not count. Creature of jeckyl island is a must read book.

Also finally refinanced to a 15 year 2.6% mortgage, from a 4.7% 30 year (still had 24 years to go). Monthly mortgage payment dropped 75$.  Now I should be completely debt free, own our own home in 5 years. I triple my principle every payment, and get 20 k in bonuses most years, that go straight to principle. Having been legitimately homeless/ junked out most of my 20s, and now sober for many years, just gotta to show how much money I waisted on straight junk.
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GME isn't a $250+ stock right now because it's doing good as a company. If I was you, I'd cash that out soon while it's hot and then put the money in another stock for long term. I know you said you couldn't care less but why have your $250 grow to 2k just to let sit and go back to $250? Essentially throwing away a few thousand you got for free.

I don't know how the GME situation will play out but I'd suggest reading more about it and why it's a special case.
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Forgot to mention I cashed out my 250 initial yesterday morning. I'm clear and even now no matter what. Also don't plan to keep GME past the very near future. But will keep any and all earning in whatever seems prudent at the time. Mostly a hobby that could possibly pay to me at this time.   But now I'm considering opening an actual day account somewhere. Definitely cashing the rest out if it goes over 500. Immediately

I used to do a lot of day trading but I find it much more stressful than taking a long term investment strategy. GME is definitely in the day trading spectrum of investing as I think very few people are buying it based of fundamentals. Anyone buying GME outside of the hype is doing so because they believe GME can make a massive turnaround to compete in the online gaming realm.

However, if you look at GME share prices and how the company is performing vs it's competitors - Amazon, Wal Mart, Best Buy, etc... - it's insanely overvalued. What's going on with GME right now is sort of an anomaly though but it's not going to just keep going up, eventually it will "even" out or tank to it's appropriate evaluation.

If you got in at a good price, then you should at least cash out to cover your initial investment, imho. That way you'll cover yourself so that the worst that could happen is if shares go to 0, you're just back where you started. This is also a general investment strategy in taking X in gains once shares have gained X percentage. Definitely will save you some stress.

Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on March 11, 2021, 07:37:31 AM
Sold all my shady obscure penny stocks then bought 1 share of Costco & signed up dividends reinvestment. First smart move made after many poor moves
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on March 11, 2021, 10:57:18 AM
DRIPS all the way homie!

Check out ACWI if any of you are buy and hold. Its the MSCI All Country World Index - Basically the MSCI World index (whihc is all developed countries acorss NA Europe and Asia) with some Emerging mkts thrown in. Your pretty well covered with that. Buy and hold (and hope for the best)

and added this in after - gotta love China!!

"We have mentioned that the Chinese stock market has dropped in the past few weeks. Well, to help with the slump, the Chinese seem not to be able to access the words “stock market” on various social media platforms. Weibo, the Chinese version of Twitter, showed no results on its web version on Wednesday.

This seems to have worked, as the market has been up for the past two days."


Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on March 12, 2021, 10:52:40 AM
DRIPS all the way homie!

Check out ACWI if any of you are buy and hold. Its the MSCI All Country World Index - Basically the MSCI World index (whihc is all developed countries acorss NA Europe and Asia) with some Emerging mkts thrown in. Your pretty well covered with that. Buy and hold (and hope for the best)

and added this in after - gotta love China!!

"We have mentioned that the Chinese stock market has dropped in the past few weeks. Well, to help with the slump, the Chinese seem not to be able to access the words “stock market” on various social media platforms. Weibo, the Chinese version of Twitter, showed no results on its web version on Wednesday.

This seems to have worked, as the market has been up for the past two days."

Heres another...Tesla's fault?

"I saw this and thought it was interesting. Over the past six months, SPY is up 16%, RSP, which is equal weight the S&P 500, is up 26% and RVRS, which is the S&P 500 in reverse, where the top holding in SPY is the lowest weight, is up 35%. RVRS also outperforms both over the past year."
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on March 12, 2021, 10:57:25 AM
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DRIPS all the way homie!

Check out ACWI if any of you are buy and hold. Its the MSCI All Country World Index - Basically the MSCI World index (whihc is all developed countries acorss NA Europe and Asia) with some Emerging mkts thrown in. Your pretty well covered with that. Buy and hold (and hope for the best)

and added this in after - gotta love China!!

"We have mentioned that the Chinese stock market has dropped in the past few weeks. Well, to help with the slump, the Chinese seem not to be able to access the words “stock market” on various social media platforms. Weibo, the Chinese version of Twitter, showed no results on its web version on Wednesday.

This seems to have worked, as the market has been up for the past two days."
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Heres another...Tesla's fault?

"I saw this and thought it was interesting. Over the past six months, SPY is up 16%, RSP, which is equal weight the S&P 500, is up 26% and RVRS, which is the S&P 500 in reverse, where the top holding in SPY is the lowest weight, is up 35%. RVRS also outperforms both over the past year."

Last one for Today - its about NFT's!! Liek WTF!!

The first virtual Non-Fungible Token (NFT) artwork to be sold at a major auction house closed at $69,346,250 during an online auction by Christie's on Thursday. The starting bid was $100.

"Everydays -- The First 5000 Days" is a collage comprised of 5,000 images taken over the course of 13 years by a digital artist named Beeple.

Makes me want to look a bit more closely at the pictures on my cellphone.

If you were wondering what NFTs are, they are cryptographic assets on blockchain with unique identification codes and metadata that distinguish them from each other. Unlike cryptocurrencies, they cannot be traded or exchanged at equivalency. This differs from fungible tokens like cryptocurrencies, which are identical to each other and, therefore, can be used as a medium for commercial transactions.
 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sbmfj on March 12, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
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DRIPS all the way homie!

Check out ACWI if any of you are buy and hold. Its the MSCI All Country World Index - Basically the MSCI World index (whihc is all developed countries acorss NA Europe and Asia) with some Emerging mkts thrown in. Your pretty well covered with that. Buy and hold (and hope for the best)

and added this in after - gotta love China!!

"We have mentioned that the Chinese stock market has dropped in the past few weeks. Well, to help with the slump, the Chinese seem not to be able to access the words “stock market” on various social media platforms. Weibo, the Chinese version of Twitter, showed no results on its web version on Wednesday.

This seems to have worked, as the market has been up for the past two days."
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Heres another...Tesla's fault?

"I saw this and thought it was interesting. Over the past six months, SPY is up 16%, RSP, which is equal weight the S&P 500, is up 26% and RVRS, which is the S&P 500 in reverse, where the top holding in SPY is the lowest weight, is up 35%. RVRS also outperforms both over the past year."
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Last one for Today - its about NFT's!! Like WTF!!

The first virtual Non-Fungible Token (NFT) artwork to be sold at a major auction house closed at $69,346,250 during an online auction by Christie's on Thursday. The starting bid was $100.

"Everydays -- The First 5000 Days" is a collage comprised of 5,000 images taken over the course of 13 years by a digital artist named Beeple.

Makes me want to look a bit more closely at the pictures on my cellphone.

If you were wondering what NFTs are, they are cryptographic assets on blockchain with unique identification codes and metadata that distinguish them from each other. Unlike cryptocurrencies, they cannot be traded or exchanged at equivalency. This differs from fungible tokens like cryptocurrencies, which are identical to each other and, therefore, can be used as a medium for commercial transactions.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on March 18, 2021, 02:21:50 AM
Call me flip flop , I'm a walking contradiction. Obsessed with the market now. Can't resist penny stocks. Changing ratios :  50% blue chips & 50 % penny stocks. In the future when mortgage plus family comes into play gonna change numbers to 70% blue chips, 30% penny stocks. 
 
For what it's worth , costco & Walmart stock good retirement plans if you keep buying shares. I'm gonna try to buy 1 share of Costco stock every 2 months. Costco here to stay, in 20 years probably less gonna be worth at least 1K a share 
 
And walmart proved they adapting & amazon can't replace them . Impressive how fast they perfected their online shipping
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on March 18, 2021, 02:29:21 AM
As of right now , my ghetto ass portfolio consists of 1 share of Costco & whole bunch of penny stocks: HCMC, CLIS, METX,  VALPQ, TGIFF, HITIF, ABML, & AESE
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: wake and bacon on March 21, 2021, 12:16:16 AM
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Who bought them from you? Just rich old dudes?
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I kept my prices low to make quick sales. So I'm guessing other flippers bought them. But I'm sure rich old dudes are in there. Lots of talk about the Chinese getting access soon and buying everything up. Apparently younger NBA players are obsessed with it too. The player's union gets a cut. So it's in their best interest to hype it up.

i've been selling unopened top shot packs on ebay and have been making a fucking killing. insane returns. it's been blowing my mind. i love the NBA and crypto and even the concept behind NFTs but damn, this shit is nuts
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on April 06, 2021, 07:19:34 PM
This is a bit of a dumb question but - those who invest, what’s your out strategies? Like I invested a load in a bunch of alt coins and it’s all gone up pretty good, but I just don’t know when / whether to take my winnings. Torn between missing out on it going up more and worrying the whole market will tank. I can’t just leave it in there forever. How do you plan for what to do personally?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: essal on April 07, 2021, 12:02:20 AM
I have to pay taxes on everything, so if I wanna recoup my initial investment then I need to account for taxes as well. say it was $100, then if it's a $200, I can't withdraw $100 and think I'm even, since I need to play taxes on that $100 I withdrew. long term, 10x is my goal and plan. Currently at 3x.

but I don't fuck with shitcoins.
take your gains before it tanks.
if you don't know why your coins are up, then take the gains.
if you don't know the project plan, take the gains.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sexualhelon on April 07, 2021, 01:06:22 AM
I have to pay taxes on everything, so if I wanna recoup my initial investment then I need to account for taxes as well. say it was $100, then if it's a $200, I can't withdraw $100 and think I'm even, since I need to play taxes on that $100 I withdrew. long term, 10x is my goal and plan. Currently at 3x.

but I don't fuck with shitcoins.
take your gains before it tanks.
if you don't know why your coins are up, then take the gains.
if you don't know the project plan, take the gains.

Long term gains, at least in the US, is a pretty nice deal compared to the taxes you could be paying for it in other places. Once you've held an asset for a year you don't pay any taxes up to 40k, 80k if married and filing jointly, etc... I don't even think short term is so bad in the US compared other places - 10% up to 10k and maxes out at 37% once you're  cashing out 500k+ (if you're single). In Germany, for instance, you have to pay capital gains on everything each year even if you didn't sell anything - which makes no sense to me. I think it's a flat rate of 25% + solidarity charge.

Tons if shitcoins just like there's tons of shit companies. Definitely do your due diligence in researching what you're investing in. If it's a swing/day trade then be sure to have your entry/exits straight. Long term investing is much less stressful and easier to gauge, imho, but I'll do a day/swing trade every now and then. 

One strategy is to consistently cover your gains, depending on your investment plans and how you want to sort your taxes. In that if you invested 1k and the unrealized gain is at 3k, you should cash out 1k. It makes sense, but it's also one of those situations where if you believe the company is one to hold for 5-10 years then I don't know why you'd do it. I usually only do that if I want to take gains from one investment and invest them into something else - but then you'd be needing to pay taxes unless it's a long term hold under threshold. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Shifty Flip on April 18, 2021, 11:13:49 AM
The taxes thing is concerning to me. Before February my only investments were my mortgage, 401k, and physical silver/go lol d in a fire safe hidden.
Bought GameStop on cashapp on a whim, it mooned that week, I ended up buying more, all told gained 3k after recouping initial investment. Does cashapp report to gov? Opened a WeBull with the cash app gains, which I'm sure gets taxed, but there's no gains to tax there right now. Also opened a coinbase and kraken accounts. Up 300% on Doge mostly, bought Bitcoin and Cardano on the dip this morning. Put my Doge in a wallet at 11 cents. 
Anyways, I hate watching YouTube videos about coins, can anyone suggest books or websites that are legit?  Need to figure the taxes or before i put serious money into coins.
I make building products for housing market at my job. Everything is so out of wack, I'm pretty sure there's a housing crash soon. No one can get the raw materials to make anything, lumber is through the roof, and having refied my 30 yr mortgage to a 15, and my monthly payment DECREASED by 10%? Don't see how that is sustainable.  If I can't figure it out soon, I'll just buy lots more silver to bury I guess.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PAWL on April 18, 2021, 06:30:52 PM
The taxes thing is concerning to me. Before February my only investments were my mortgage, 401k, and physical silver/go lol d in a fire safe hidden.
Bought GameStop on cashapp on a whim, it mooned that week, I ended up buying more, all told gained 3k after recouping initial investment. Does cashapp report to gov? Opened a WeBull with the cash app gains, which I'm sure gets taxed, but there's no gains to tax there right now. Also opened a coinbase and kraken accounts. Up 300% on Doge mostly, bought Bitcoin and Cardano on the dip this morning. Put my Doge in a wallet at 11 cents. 
Anyways, I hate watching YouTube videos about coins, can anyone suggest books or websites that are legit?  Need to figure the taxes or before i put serious money into coins.
I make building products for housing market at my job. Everything is so out of wack, I'm pretty sure there's a housing crash soon. No one can get the raw materials to make anything, lumber is through the roof, and having refied my 30 yr mortgage to a 15, and my monthly payment DECREASED by 10%? Don't see how that is sustainable.  If I can't figure it out soon, I'll just buy lots more silver to bury I guess.

you should anticipate getting taxed, even if theres an off chance you don't.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheDraught on April 19, 2021, 01:20:10 PM
I bought 20 GME at 125. If it "moons" to 1K, 5K or even more it will be a lucky shot, if it tanks again I will lose 2K at most, which I can afford right now.  Those guys at Reddit who do insane amounts of research still have a lot of confidence in the short squeeze and think you can make millions off even a couple of shares. I dont think that's very realistic but it's also a once in a lifetime opportunity, and probably my only chance left to get some "fuck you" money.

I hate their ape, person, tendies, stonks etcetera lingo there and how they talk about that DFV guy (who is obviously very smart, no doubt) like a god, not even a half god or a heroe, a real god.


Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: boi-cuzudo on April 19, 2021, 01:25:36 PM
Just heard about it the other day, and starting to read into it. I just don’t get it...it seems like scam. Maybe it’s over my head or something.

So I "own" this piece of art/video/image/song an artist created. But then you can view this same item online, just like me. Except I paid a few hundred dollars to be the owner. What am I paying for exactly? If it's a photo, maybe I get the hi-res file and I can print it and hang to my wall. But if it's something entirely digital, what's the point?

Is this just some way to make money off hype? Launder money/crypto?

I just don't think I get it...

The point is to make a profit, to sell it in the future
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on April 20, 2021, 03:14:20 AM
I bought 20 GME at 125. If it "moons" to 1K, 5K or even more it will be a lucky shot, if it tanks again I will lose 2K at most, which I can afford right now.  Those guys at Reddit who do insane amounts of research still have a lot of confidence in the short squeeze and think you can make millions off even a couple of shares. I dont think that's very realistic but it's also a once in a lifetime opportunity, and probably my only chance left to get some "fuck you" money.

I hate their ape, person, tendies, stonks etcetera lingo there and how they talk about that DFV guy (who is obviously very smart, no doubt) like a god, not even a half god or a heroe, a real god.

I've got a few GME as well but I'm starting to think it will never happen. Everyone on Reddit was talking in the exact same manner last time it went up, about how it will continue to rise to 1,2,10k and it's going to change the world forever. Then it tanked overnight and suddenly the narrative completely changed instantly with the same people all "what, you didn't actually believe that the stock was going to keep going up, did you? I only invested half my life savings because I enjoy losing obscene amounts of money. You were stupid to take us seriously". I don't think they're as knowledgeable about it as it comes across, although obviously they know more than me.

I've stopped caring about it and if it happens it happens. It's what got me into investing so I look at it like if I can make my money back I lost on that I'll be all square.

To be fair to DVF he did change a lot of people's lives. But yeah the whole in joke of Reddit investors is really embarrassing. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Dad_Brains on June 08, 2021, 05:41:18 PM
Anyone getting those AMC returns? I haven’t looked at mine in a while, which I bought at around $10 then had a quick look the other day and some good stuff going on there
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: matty_c on June 08, 2021, 05:57:59 PM
Thinking about getting some bitcoins if the arse keeps falling out of them, I had said if they go to 15 grand aud I’ll get some

Is this stupid?

That game stock thing I reckon that was a one off shoulda sold it all when it started to drop

But I know fuck all about investing I just meant cause it was all on that forum the majority woulda sold their shit whilst still posting that diamond hand stuff on reddit
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on June 08, 2021, 08:26:39 PM
Thinking about getting some bitcoins if the arse keeps falling out of them, I had said if they go to 15 grand aud I’ll get some

Is this stupid?

That game stock thing I reckon that was a one off shoulda sold it all when it started to drop

But I know fuck all about investing I just meant cause it was all on that forum the majority woulda sold their shit whilst still posting that diamond hand stuff on reddit

I think there's value to have a target to buy in at, but honestly just the best thing is to dollar cost average in. Get on an exchange and set a weekly buy of 25 bucks, 50 bucks, whatever your budget is, and that just cuts out trying to find bottoms or tops. And plan to hold for at least 3-4 years. Just my 2 cents, but that's the tried and true method in crypto. If you get into altcoins, I'd recommend taking profits if they're doing well because they bleed harder when BTC crashes and goes into a bear market. I'm in crypto for the long haul and it also helps to hold longer to avoid short term capital gains if you take profits before a year.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: shitsandwich on June 08, 2021, 10:46:44 PM
Anyone getting those AMC returns? I haven’t looked at mine in a while, which I bought at around $10 then had a quick look the other day and some good stuff going on there


I have like 8 shares that I bought around 8 dollars. My sister in law and brother feel pretty good about it going up pretty high. I don't know shit about stocks but I'm probably just gonna ride this one out since I didn't put too much in initially
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on June 09, 2021, 03:06:50 AM
If you get into altcoins, I'd recommend taking profits if they're doing well because they bleed harder when BTC crashes and goes into a bear market.

Where were you three weeks ago
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on June 09, 2021, 08:27:06 AM
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If you get into altcoins, I'd recommend taking profits if they're doing well because they bleed harder when BTC crashes and goes into a bear market.
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Where were you three weeks ago

What do you mean? I was watching them crash with everything else. I've been invested in a while and have taken profits throughout the last few months.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on June 09, 2021, 11:09:07 AM
Was a joke, I meant I could've done with hearing that 3 weeks ago just before it tanked and I lost a shitload of money
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on June 09, 2021, 11:44:00 AM
Was a joke, I meant I could've done with hearing that 3 weeks ago just before it tanked and I lost a shitload of money

Haha, gotcha. I mean, straddling the line between certain price predictions and knowing when to take profits is really hard. No one's going to predict market cycles perfectly. I wish I took a little bit more profit, but still think we're in a bull market, and might be bearish for the next month or 2.

I watched my portfolio drop by about 50-60% over the course of a few weeks. Brutal, but again, try not to get caught up in short term. You'll go crazy. A lot of the alt projects are ones I believe in long term, so if we do slip into a long term bear market, I'll just accumulate and hold for the long term.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: yep yep on June 09, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
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Thinking about getting some bitcoins if the arse keeps falling out of them, I had said if they go to 15 grand aud I’ll get some

Is this stupid?

That game stock thing I reckon that was a one off shoulda sold it all when it started to drop

But I know fuck all about investing I just meant cause it was all on that forum the majority woulda sold their shit whilst still posting that diamond hand stuff on reddit
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I think there's value to have a target to buy in at, but honestly just the best thing is to dollar cost average in. Get on an exchange and set a weekly buy of 25 bucks, 50 bucks, whatever your budget is, and that just cuts out trying to find bottoms or tops. And plan to hold for at least 3-4 years. Just my 2 cents, but that's the tried and true method in crypto. If you get into altcoins, I'd recommend taking profits if they're doing well because they bleed harder when BTC crashes and goes into a bear market. I'm in crypto for the long haul and it also helps to hold longer to avoid short term capital gains if you take profits before a year.
Legit 2 cents. Unless your able to watch the market all day/night I would go with the above method.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on July 23, 2021, 06:48:29 AM
How did everyone do with their investments? Any recent investments?

As expected my boring ass 401K mutual fund investments did well. I don't check on my Bitcoin ever, I still can't get into my ripple wallet, and the random stocks I picked were not the best choices.

Also, I still can't believe a pandemic that caused so many people extreme hardship led to huge windfalls amongst those who own property or stock. The system we live in is very wrong.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Billy Bitchcakes on July 23, 2021, 07:12:10 AM
All my crypto investments have gone down like a sack of shit and I'm not planning to look at them until I either hear some news about how crypto is going wild again or I die, not sure which will come first at this point. Well I guess I won't look at them after I die but at least I won't care anymore
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: essal on July 24, 2021, 06:15:32 AM
I'm still up roughly 100% on my crypto. So down quite a bit, but still ok. Bought a bit more BTC and ETH.

And I don't really stress about it because I haven't invested more than I can afford to loose. All of those people on suicide watch because of a tiny dump should really try to follow that very easy rule- and not invest in shitcoins.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on July 24, 2021, 09:01:34 AM
All my crypto investments have gone down like a sack of shit and I'm not planning to look at them until I either hear some news about how crypto is going wild again or I die, not sure which will come first at this point. Well I guess I won't look at them after I die but at least I won't care anymore

Not that anything is guaranteed, but the beauty of crypto is seeing the on chain data analytics. When BTC has been in these low 30's over the last few months, the data shows that whales and massive holders have been accumulating, which is always a solid sign that things should be going up. Lots of of the different metrics on Glassnode also point to things going up sometime soon. The only thing I fear is an overall market crash. Crypto would tank hard as well as people can pull out their money fastest in crypto.

Just be ok with holding for at least a four year cycle and you'll be solid.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on August 12, 2021, 10:28:35 PM
Anyone make any interesting moves lately?

The bond market has been garbage lately. I pulled out a big chunk a couple months ago and put the money into a few small cap and mid cap funds, which ended up being a good choice. The Delaware Small Cap Value Fund and the Vanguard Strategic Equity fund are doing really well.

However, I feel I'm wayyy too conservative with my money. If I had just dumped my money into a Vanguard or Fidelity mutual fund my unearned income would be 4x greater. (I have some extreme guilt over this as stocks seem to be nothing more than stealing from those who actually work.)

Finally, I saw BTC took off again. Back up to about 45K per coin, which is insane. And, I still can't access my Ripple, which sucks.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Coastal Fever on December 04, 2021, 04:44:59 PM
Alright so this isn’t about investing per se, and I feel like a moron for not doing this years ago, as this is something most all financially savvy people do.. but in all honesty I have a strained, triggering, relationship with money and as a result have done lots of things to self sabotage myself financially throughout my adult life…

The epiphany I finally had today was to get a another credit card, one that offers 1-3% worth of reward points on the dollar, for virtually every single purchase and bill payment, and use it for everything, then pay it off right away.  It might be pennies to some people, but this is probably going to be an extra $500-1000/year in my pocket, and I’m seriously hyped about it. 
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sometimeperhaps on December 04, 2021, 05:24:07 PM
Good on you for making that step. Better late than never. I find with a lot of financial advice, especially when you’re starting off can seem daunting and overwhelming. But if you just take it one item at a time it’s not so bad.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on December 04, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Alright so this isn’t about investing per se, and I feel like a moron for not doing this years ago, as this is something most all financially savvy people do.. but in all honesty I have a strained, triggering, relationship with money and as a result have done lots of things to self sabotage myself financially throughout my adult life…

The epiphany I finally had today was to get a another credit card, one that offers 1-3% worth of reward points on the dollar, for virtually every single purchase and bill payment, and use it for everything, then pay it off right away.  It might be pennies to some people, but this is probably going to be an extra $500-1000/year in my pocket, and I’m seriously hyped about it.

Great move.

The free money from the rewards cards can be awesome (as long as we pay it back in full each month) and some of the fringe benefits are awesome as well (my card regularly gets me 10% off at hotels, AirBnBs, and at random companies).

However, like all the other shit here, our gain is someone else's loss.
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22454885/who-pays-for-credit-card-rewards



Anyone else make any moves recently? Buying the dip? Selling to protect our (unearned and exploitative) gains from a potential drop? Any meme stocks or crypto bets?
 
I'm still up on my mutual funds, but my gains have been severely cut this week. All my stocks/funds "lost" 3% of their total value just this week. That shit hurt.

I'm tempted to put all my shit into safe short term investments.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Coastal Fever on December 04, 2021, 08:18:31 PM
Thanks for posting that article, had read similar snippets about the topic but that explained it really well.  I definitely feel some level of guilt for the small businesses and cc-less people who have to eat the cost. 

With that said, I’m a working class, paycheck to paycheck person myself who feels the effects of rising prices.  If one day I don’t need those extra few hundred bucks a year, I’ll rethink my strategy, but until then I feel I should make the most of my available resources.

Also open to any other obvious or not so obvious financial advice I might be overlooking.  I generally try to spend as little as possible, but takeout/junk food is one thing I struggle with that seems cheap but adds up.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on December 04, 2021, 09:47:44 PM
Thanks for posting that article, had read similar snippets about the topic but that explained it really well.  I definitely feel some level of guilt for the small businesses and cc-less people who have to eat the cost. 

With that said, I’m a working class, paycheck to paycheck person myself who feels the effects of rising prices.  If one day I don’t need those extra few hundred bucks a year, I’ll rethink my strategy, but until then I feel I should make the most of my available resources.

Also open to any other obvious or not so obvious financial advice I might be overlooking.  I generally try to spend as little as possible, but takeout/junk food is one thing I struggle with that seems cheap but adds up.

I'm over posting a bit (sorry).

1) Opt-out of the overdraft: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/blog/understanding-overdraft-opt-choice/

2) The cheap stores aren't all that cheap (i.e. dollar stores are rip-offs and have better profit margins than grocery stores).

3) Buy shit you need when it is on sale. (I didn't worry about toilet paper during the pandemic because I loaded up a few months before when it went on sale. I do the same with soap, shampoo, and other stuff I can just let sit without worry of it going bad.

Finally, don't beat yourself up if you can't save a bunch of money easily. The game is rigged in favor of those who already have wealth and/or professional/managerial jobs. Normal people can save a couple dollars here and there, but to save money as a normal person it might take an unreasonable sacrifice (I didn't have a car and lived in some disgusting apartments when I was desperate to put money into the bank, but this fucking sucked and caused me some major problems.)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PAWL on December 06, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
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Thanks for posting that article, had read similar snippets about the topic but that explained it really well.  I definitely feel some level of guilt for the small businesses and cc-less people who have to eat the cost. 

With that said, I’m a working class, paycheck to paycheck person myself who feels the effects of rising prices.  If one day I don’t need those extra few hundred bucks a year, I’ll rethink my strategy, but until then I feel I should make the most of my available resources.

Also open to any other obvious or not so obvious financial advice I might be overlooking.  I generally try to spend as little as possible, but takeout/junk food is one thing I struggle with that seems cheap but adds up.
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I'm over posting a bit (sorry).

1) Opt-out of the overdraft: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/about-us/blog/understanding-overdraft-opt-choice/

2) The cheap stores aren't all that cheap (i.e. dollar stores are rip-offs and have better profit margins than grocery stores).

3) Buy shit you need when it is on sale. (I didn't worry about toilet paper during the pandemic because I loaded up a few months before when it went on sale. I do the same with soap, shampoo, and other stuff I can just let sit without worry of it going bad.

Finally, don't beat yourself up if you can't save a bunch of money easily. The game is rigged in favor of those who already have wealth and/or professional/managerial jobs. Normal people can save a couple dollars here and there, but to save money as a normal person it might take an unreasonable sacrifice (I didn't have a car and lived in some disgusting apartments when I was desperate to put money into the bank, but this fucking sucked and caused me some major problems.)

^this one. thankfully I'm at the point where I can overpay (relatively) to be comfortable. Don't miss living in a closet with people I didn't like.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: G raham on December 06, 2021, 04:51:37 PM
Is anyone else completely enamored with bitcoin? It is the most fucked thing ever. The potential change it could have in the world is fucking insane
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on December 06, 2021, 07:01:46 PM
Is anyone else completely enamored with bitcoin? It is the most fucked thing ever. The potential change it could have in the world is fucking insane

I'm generally not stoked on any of the cryptos. I'll tell you why and you can tell me what I'm missing:

1) Pollution/energy. 1 BTC transaction takes an insane amount of energy compared to a Visa transaction.
(https://i.ibb.co/z5kW4CL/Screen-Shot-2021-12-06-at-10-47-40-PM.png)

2) It is relatively traceable and not as anonymous as cash.
https://bitcoin.org/en/you-need-to-know#:~:text=Bitcoin%20is%20not%20anonymous&text=However%2C%20the%20identity%20of%20the,should%20only%20be%20used%20once.

3)It can be seized by the US Gov.
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/1004223000/how-a-new-team-of-feds-hacked-the-hackers-and-got-colonial-pipelines-bitcoin-bac

4) It simply doesn't make sense as a currency. As far as I can tell, money needs to be printed and there needs to be inflation to make sure a currency keeps circulating. The US GDP was roughly 10 trillion in in 2000. Today, it is roughly 21 trillion. How the hell would things work if more currency wasn't printed?

We could have items cost less, but that doesn't make sense. For example, if the US stopped at circulating x number of dollars, the dollar would increase in value relative to goods/services each day. Spending it would be terribly stupid as it will always buy a little more tomorrow. Why would I sell you a carton of eggs for 1 dollar today when I know that the dollar will be worth 2 cartons of eggs tomorrow. Why would you spend your dollar on the carton of eggs, when you could get 2 cartons tomorrow? This would turn us all into misers, which Marx and Smith point out are bad at capitalism. As currency, it has a strong potential to halt circulation and thus kill what makes capitalism work.

It might be a place to store wealth, but do we really have that much surplus capital where we need to make thing up to store value?

5) A few people own the majority of BTC. It isn't some democratic revolution, it instead just another small group of people coming up into a position of power.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-18/bitcoin-whales-ownership-concentration-is-rising-during-rally



The key value I see in BTC is its ability to send remittence home to corrupt countries and sidestep import laws/"taxes/fees," but going back to the fact that it isn't anonymous as we think, I don't think this will last forever. Same goes for if we were paid in BTC, we need to spend it sometime and now there is a digital record of our spending/identity.



Overall, I think this stuff doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't mean I've avoided the speculation wave associated with it. FOMO has def encouraged my investment and holding on to this thing that I have no faith in.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: G raham on December 06, 2021, 07:55:34 PM
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Is anyone else completely enamored with bitcoin? It is the most fucked thing ever. The potential change it could have in the world is fucking insane
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I'm generally not stoked on any of the cryptos. I'll tell you why and you can tell me what I'm missing:

1) Pollution/energy. 1 BTC transaction takes an insane amount of energy compared to a Visa transaction.
(https://i.ibb.co/z5kW4CL/Screen-Shot-2021-12-06-at-10-47-40-PM.png)

2) It is relatively traceable and not as anonymous as cash.
https://bitcoin.org/en/you-need-to-know#:~:text=Bitcoin%20is%20not%20anonymous&text=However%2C%20the%20identity%20of%20the,should%20only%20be%20used%20once.

3)It can be seized by the US Gov.
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/1004223000/how-a-new-team-of-feds-hacked-the-hackers-and-got-colonial-pipelines-bitcoin-bac

4) It simply doesn't make sense as a currency. As far as I can tell, money needs to be printed and there needs to be inflation to make sure a currency keeps circulating. The US GDP was roughly 10 trillion in in 2000. Today, it is roughly 21 trillion. How the hell would things work if more currency wasn't printed?

We could have items cost less, but that doesn't make sense. For example, if the US stopped at circulating x number of dollars, the dollar would increase in value relative to goods/services each day. Spending it would be terribly stupid as it will always buy a little more tomorrow. Why would I sell you a carton of eggs for 1 dollar today when I know that the dollar will be worth 2 cartons of eggs tomorrow. Why would you spend your dollar on the carton of eggs, when you could get 2 cartons tomorrow? This would turn us all into misers, which Marx and Smith point out are bad at capitalism. As currency, it has a strong potential to halt circulation and thus kill what makes capitalism work.

It might be a place to store wealth, but do we really have that much surplus capital where we need to make thing up to store value?

5) A few people own the majority of BTC. It isn't some democratic revolution, it instead just another small group of people coming up into a position of power.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-18/bitcoin-whales-ownership-concentration-is-rising-during-rally



The key value I see in BTC is its ability to send remittence home to corrupt countries and sidestep import laws/"taxes/fees," but going back to the fact that it isn't anonymous as we think, I don't think this will last forever. Same goes for if we were paid in BTC, we need to spend it sometime and now there is a digital record of our spending/identity.



Overall, I think this stuff doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't mean I've avoided the speculation wave associated with it. FOMO has def encouraged my investment and holding on to this thing that I have no faith in.

2 billion people have smart phones but dont have access to bank accounts. All theyd have to do is download an app and theyd all effectively have a bank.

Anonymity is a weird one keep hearing arguments for both.

That article concerning confiscation is cos they kept it on an exchange, if you keep it in cold storage it is completely encrypted.

Most of its use is seen in countries where inflation has done far more harm than good where theyre literally using the currency as bonfire fuel.

Often people in El Salvador had to go on a bus 5 hours a week, have their 100 bucks a family member has been sent cut down to 60, and have to try and avoid gangs that hold them at knifepoint that hang out near the Western unions. With bitcoin this is eradicated. Tonga and some places in south africa are looking to implement the same infrastructure, no reason this shouldnt extend to every developing country where this is an issue. This alone is worth the electricity which is less than Christmas lights in the US every year.

heres some more shit

https://twitter.com/gladstein/status/1340836877595594752?s=20
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on December 06, 2021, 10:14:39 PM
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Is anyone else completely enamored with bitcoin? It is the most fucked thing ever. The potential change it could have in the world is fucking insane
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I'm generally not stoked on any of the cryptos. I'll tell you why and you can tell me what I'm missing:

1) Pollution/energy. 1 BTC transaction takes an insane amount of energy compared to a Visa transaction.
(https://i.ibb.co/z5kW4CL/Screen-Shot-2021-12-06-at-10-47-40-PM.png)

2) It is relatively traceable and not as anonymous as cash.
https://bitcoin.org/en/you-need-to-know#:~:text=Bitcoin%20is%20not%20anonymous&text=However%2C%20the%20identity%20of%20the,should%20only%20be%20used%20once.

3)It can be seized by the US Gov.
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/08/1004223000/how-a-new-team-of-feds-hacked-the-hackers-and-got-colonial-pipelines-bitcoin-bac

4) It simply doesn't make sense as a currency. As far as I can tell, money needs to be printed and there needs to be inflation to make sure a currency keeps circulating. The US GDP was roughly 10 trillion in in 2000. Today, it is roughly 21 trillion. How the hell would things work if more currency wasn't printed?

We could have items cost less, but that doesn't make sense. For example, if the US stopped at circulating x number of dollars, the dollar would increase in value relative to goods/services each day. Spending it would be terribly stupid as it will always buy a little more tomorrow. Why would I sell you a carton of eggs for 1 dollar today when I know that the dollar will be worth 2 cartons of eggs tomorrow. Why would you spend your dollar on the carton of eggs, when you could get 2 cartons tomorrow? This would turn us all into misers, which Marx and Smith point out are bad at capitalism. As currency, it has a strong potential to halt circulation and thus kill what makes capitalism work.

It might be a place to store wealth, but do we really have that much surplus capital where we need to make thing up to store value?

5) A few people own the majority of BTC. It isn't some democratic revolution, it instead just another small group of people coming up into a position of power.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-18/bitcoin-whales-ownership-concentration-is-rising-during-rally



The key value I see in BTC is its ability to send remittence home to corrupt countries and sidestep import laws/"taxes/fees," but going back to the fact that it isn't anonymous as we think, I don't think this will last forever. Same goes for if we were paid in BTC, we need to spend it sometime and now there is a digital record of our spending/identity.



Overall, I think this stuff doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't mean I've avoided the speculation wave associated with it. FOMO has def encouraged my investment and holding on to this thing that I have no faith in.
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2 billion people have smart phones but dont have access to bank accounts. All theyd have to do is download an app and theyd all effectively have a bank.

Anonymity is a weird one keep hearing arguments for both.

That article concerning confiscation is cos they kept it on an exchange, if you keep it in cold storage it is completely encrypted.

Most of its use is seen in countries where inflation has done far more harm than good where theyre literally using the currency as bonfire fuel.

Often people in El Salvador had to go on a bus 5 hours a week, have their 100 bucks a family member has been sent cut down to 60, and have to try and avoid gangs that hold them at knifepoint that hang out near the Western unions. With bitcoin this is eradicated. Tonga and some places in south africa are looking to implement the same infrastructure, no reason this shouldnt extend to every developing country where this is an issue. This alone is worth the electricity which is less than Christmas lights in the US every year.

heres some more shit

https://twitter.com/gladstein/status/1340836877595594752?s=20

Lurper, I could be wrong, but I feel like a lot of what you're mentioning are shallow focus points that people use to argue if they don't like Bitcoin or you might see as headlines and you haven't done the actual deep dive of why those are wrong or at least the counter argument makes sense.

The pollution one to me is really silly because everything takes energy. If you believe Bitcoin is worthless, then sure, every bit of energy is a waste. But as G raham mentioned, there's so much more in the world that takes way more energy than Bitcoin and people who believe Bitcoin can help many facets of the world, that energy is more than worthwhile. But that's also not to mention that over half of mining is renewable energy and miners are incentivized to find renewable energy. Lots of mining is using leftover energy and harnessing energy that would otherwise be wasted. With Bitcoin mining leaving China, they were the biggest users of coal, and over time BTC mining will become greener and greener. Do you know how much energy is used to mine actual gold and how destructive it is to land? Also, take traditional finance. Wells Fargo has over 268,000 employees. Do you know how much energy is used for buildings, equipment, transactions, individuals driving to work, and all the other ways energy is used in running something like that? I just think it's hypocritical to mention BTC's mining without comparing it to everything else in the world.

As far as saying it doesn't make sense as a currency, look up what Lightning is and how it can be used for transactions. Lightning or BTC transactions aren't ready to have 8 billion people work on it yet, but remember BTC is only 12 years old and things will scale. Lightning already works great and will keep improving over time. But yes, you also could argue the points of it being a currency because someone like me doesn't want to spend my BTC because I believe it will keep appreciating over time, so I view it more as a saving mechanism where I transact in debasing fiat dollars that's inflating away every year. If you take a really long term approach, when returns diminish decades away, it could be a more stable form of currency that doesn't debase with a fixed supply.

As far as a few people owning it, if you look at the blockchain data, the whale wallets are shrinking over time, so it's becoming more and more decentralized over time. But the way Bitcoin was created, it literally was as fair as a way for something to be distributed by proof of work. I don't think there's a better way for something to be created as the origin of Bitcoin.

And questioning if we need to make things up to store value, as G raham also said, other countries that are losing all their wealth to deflating currencies need something like this. Every fiat (government backed) currency in the history of civilization has failed. Many people in countries who are experiencing hyper inflation not only are seeing their money debased away, they also don't have access to banking systems. The central banks are a scam and Bitcoin offers a way to be sovereign over their own money. When the Taliban recently retook over control of Afghanistan, people couldn't access their bank and a lot of people used Bitcoin to transfer money or as a way to control their money. I think it's easy being in a first world country to forget that 53% of the world lives under an authoritarian government where they aren't guaranteed freedoms, especially with their finances.

I'm not into trying to get rich off shitty crypto projects and think 98% of them are scams and complete trash, but Bitcoin is very different to me. I genuinely believe if anyone does an actual deep dive into what it is, how it works, and what it can do for the world, they will absolutely see it as an incredible world changing technology. And at this point, it's not a get rich quick scheme. I think it will continue to appreciate quite well in the coming decades, but it's not something that's going to 100x in a year or something obviously due to it's size and market cap. But when our current inflation in the US is somewhere between 10-15% (The CPI of 6.2% is definitely too low) and we just printed 40% of all dollars in circulation within the last year, thing's aren't going to get better. Sure they'll start tapering and say why inflation is transitory, but it's all bullshit. They'll need to keep printing money to prop up markets, especially after such shitty job reports and our dollar will continue to get debased. Bitcoin is a fixed monetary system that is decentralized and owned by no individual or group. It's a beautiful thing and I think as time goes on and shit gets worse and worse with global money issues and the amount of trillions of dollars of debt, Bitcoin will be able to help, especially for smaller countries who's money is being inflated away in bigger ways.

Alright, that's all for my rant. Just my thoughts. Feel freer to still disagree, but I would say if you do disagree, make sure to fully look in what Bitcoin is and I think even more importantly, the state of fiat currency and global monetary issues. It's pretty scary.

Edit: I forgot to mention that if you want some good resources on where I think Bitcoin is helping the world, check out work by Alex Gladstein, who works for the Human Rights Foundation. "Bitcoin and Human Rights with Alex Gladstein" is a great podcast on The Pomp Podcast that goes into detail on how Bitcoin can help, especially in authoritarian regimes. Worth a listen for sure.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on December 07, 2021, 11:57:51 AM
@G raham . Interesting ideas, but I'm not so sure.

In terms of people with smart phones but without bank accounts. BTC is one of many solutions. There might be better solutions. Mobile Money Apps appear to be working well for Kenyans without bank accounts.
See: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21420357/kenya-mobile-banking-unbanked-cellphone-money

Building on the issue of lack of banking... lost passwords are a part of life. In BTC land, you're fucked if you lose your password. With a traditional bank account you can get that back. I'm out about 70 XRP cause my ex would break/lose her phone every 6 months and the app was on her account (and the password we wrote down isn't recovering the money). This is a huge issue.

As for cold-storage... everything is going to have issues. Although, I agree it currently seems pretty safe from hackers. However, it still has other issues.
https://enterprise.ledger.com/blog/cold-storage-isn-t-flawless.don-t-learn-it-the-hard-way

I think your El Salvador example is incorrect.
(https://i.ibb.co/8MH9X49/Screen-Shot-2021-12-07-at-3-13-12-PM.png)

As for moving money into corrupt countries, yeah, I agree with that. It is one way to do this. 



@RCB3 These are interesting ideas, but I'm not convinced and there are a few things that I need to you explain a bit more.

BTC has incentive to find the cheapest energy, not necessarily the greenest energy (see https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/old-coal-plant-is-now-mining-bitcoin-for-a-utility-company/). What percent of BTC mining is done via green electricity?

In terms of comparing BTC to WellsFargo (a company I have disdain for since the Maloofs own a huge portion of the bank and a lot of private prison stock), you've simplified the role of the bank to just transferring and storing money. It ignores the business loans, personal loans, financial consulting/advice (not that I'd trust it), and so on. Not to mention, the benefit of direct interaction with customers while they are banking. And, in your example, we've ignored all the extra BTC equipment being manufactured, shipped around the world, and so on. If you have a broader calculation on the environmental effects of both that'd be interesting. I've presented the data that 100K Visa transactions use far less energy than a single BTC transaction. This is a huge difference, especially as BTC does so much less than a traditional bank.

In terms of gold, I haven't argued gold was good. It, like BTC, might be good as an irrational place to store value, but neither work as a currency. Why would I ever give you a loan in BTC or gold when I know it'll be worth more tomorrow? How does our current economy operate and continue to expand without people loans? How hard would it be to pay a BTC loan back when it is constantly worth more than you borrowed?

My question to you, is why is some inflation bad? What would actually happen if currency didn't change in value? The whole point of capitalism is to turn money into a commodity/service/whatever and then back in more money... why bother with the commodity part, if I have more wealth by doing nothing? How much would this completely fuck poor people in terms of power in society?

This argument about just printing money... How do things work if our economy goes from 10 trillion to 20 trillion and we don't increase the amount of money in circulation? You pointed out, we've printed a lot of money recently. Ok, our economy has also expanded dramatically as well.

Also, when did Keynes fall out of fashion? As someone on the left, who sees the benefits of government intervention in the market to protect individuals, to keep the economy moving, and so on, why would I want the "market" to be completely unregulated?

Do you have stats for the BTC wealth being spread out? This would be super interesting, but I'm doubtful.

G raham's example is probably incorrect. El Salvador seems to have negative inflation, which is something BTC supporters seem to like. And, "very fiat (government backed) currency in the history of civilization has failed. " What exactly do you mean? As far as I can tell there isn't a single country in the world that has money backed by gold. And, what civilization in the history of the world hasn't failed?

Afghan. This is false dichotomy between traditional banking and BTC. There are other options. The argument doesn't have to be pro traditional banking vs BTC. There are other options that may be far better for the world.

And, why exactly are the Afghan people fucked? Is it their shitty gov? Or the American Gov freezing its assets and no longer pouring money into its economy? Also, what if the Taliban or some authoritarian gov were immune to sanctions or freezing of their money in the global economy? Would that be ideal? Do we want the govs of say, N. Korea to be able to spend on anything anywhere outside of the traditional flow of money? (A counter point here would be to allow Cuba to trade without worry of the US embargo on them and whoever is fool-hearty enough to trade with them.)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on December 07, 2021, 12:56:41 PM
To add to the anonymity statements above. Bitcoin was never created for anonymity as the entire blockchain is public. Once you KYC with an exchange and/or cash out to your bank account it's 100% traceable. There's legit firms out there who specifically do blockchain analysis too.

Of course you can jump through hoops to make it more difficult. You can wash through Monero, etc. or if you mine untainted coins yourself but again you run into the problem once you bring your bank/ exchange into the equation. Unless buying/ selling directly with cash, your identity is going to be attached to most of your transactions. This goes for 99% of crypto too.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: G raham on December 07, 2021, 03:37:37 PM
Its not an inflaton issue in el Salvador its a remittance issue, sorry maybe my language was confusing. 25% of the money in El Salvador is from remittances, and western union, where people go to get the payment, charge 20-40% for the service of being the place where the money is being sent to. Bitcoin charges .1% and you can do it from anywhere with an internet connection. Western Union are just the epitome of rent seekers. They are collectively saving $400 million a year which is massive for a semi impoverished country.

The article concerning cold storage is saying that it was still in the custody of the exchange. Thats like me saying 'you need to keep your gold in a safe' but you keep it in the bank's safe. I mean keep it in your own safe. If you keep btc in your own wallet you can literally put it on the app, delete the app and redownload it whenever you need the btc. You could go anywhere in the world, go through any airport with any amount of money and it is literally stored in your memory of the password, so it is unconfiscatable. It is a pretty big deal. You could say you run the risk of losing the password but there are ways to circumvent this.

Inflation maybe in a controlled sense isnt bad but when shit like covid or the 2008 financial crisis happens (because it turns out a large amount of investment bankers are cunts) you cant avoid debasing the currency.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on December 07, 2021, 10:45:15 PM
@G raham . Interesting ideas, but I'm not so sure.

In terms of people with smart phones but without bank accounts. BTC is one of many solutions. There might be better solutions. Mobile Money Apps appear to be working well for Kenyans without bank accounts.
See: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21420357/kenya-mobile-banking-unbanked-cellphone-money

Building on the issue of lack of banking... lost passwords are a part of life. In BTC land, you're fucked if you lose your password. With a traditional bank account you can get that back. I'm out about 70 XRP cause my ex would break/lose her phone every 6 months and the app was on her account (and the password we wrote down isn't recovering the money). This is a huge issue.

As for cold-storage... everything is going to have issues. Although, I agree it currently seems pretty safe from hackers. However, it still has other issues.
https://enterprise.ledger.com/blog/cold-storage-isn-t-flawless.don-t-learn-it-the-hard-way

I think your El Salvador example is incorrect.
(https://i.ibb.co/8MH9X49/Screen-Shot-2021-12-07-at-3-13-12-PM.png)

As for moving money into corrupt countries, yeah, I agree with that. It is one way to do this. 



@RCB3 These are interesting ideas, but I'm not convinced and there are a few things that I need to you explain a bit more.

BTC has incentive to find the cheapest energy, not necessarily the greenest energy (see https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/old-coal-plant-is-now-mining-bitcoin-for-a-utility-company/). What percent of BTC mining is done via green electricity?

In terms of comparing BTC to WellsFargo (a company I have disdain for since the Maloofs own a huge portion of the bank and a lot of private prison stock), you've simplified the role of the bank to just transferring and storing money. It ignores the business loans, personal loans, financial consulting/advice (not that I'd trust it), and so on. Not to mention, the benefit of direct interaction with customers while they are banking. And, in your example, we've ignored all the extra BTC equipment being manufactured, shipped around the world, and so on. If you have a broader calculation on the environmental effects of both that'd be interesting. I've presented the data that 100K Visa transactions use far less energy than a single BTC transaction. This is a huge difference, especially as BTC does so much less than a traditional bank.

In terms of gold, I haven't argued gold was good. It, like BTC, might be good as an irrational place to store value, but neither work as a currency. Why would I ever give you a loan in BTC or gold when I know it'll be worth more tomorrow? How does our current economy operate and continue to expand without people loans? How hard would it be to pay a BTC loan back when it is constantly worth more than you borrowed?

My question to you, is why is some inflation bad? What would actually happen if currency didn't change in value? The whole point of capitalism is to turn money into a commodity/service/whatever and then back in more money... why bother with the commodity part, if I have more wealth by doing nothing? How much would this completely fuck poor people in terms of power in society?

This argument about just printing money... How do things work if our economy goes from 10 trillion to 20 trillion and we don't increase the amount of money in circulation? You pointed out, we've printed a lot of money recently. Ok, our economy has also expanded dramatically as well.

Also, when did Keynes fall out of fashion? As someone on the left, who sees the benefits of government intervention in the market to protect individuals, to keep the economy moving, and so on, why would I want the "market" to be completely unregulated?

Do you have stats for the BTC wealth being spread out? This would be super interesting, but I'm doubtful.

G raham's example is probably incorrect. El Salvador seems to have negative inflation, which is something BTC supporters seem to like. And, "very fiat (government backed) currency in the history of civilization has failed. " What exactly do you mean? As far as I can tell there isn't a single country in the world that has money backed by gold. And, what civilization in the history of the world hasn't failed?

Afghan. This is false dichotomy between traditional banking and BTC. There are other options. The argument doesn't have to be pro traditional banking vs BTC. There are other options that may be far better for the world.

And, why exactly are the Afghan people fucked? Is it their shitty gov? Or the American Gov freezing its assets and no longer pouring money into its economy? Also, what if the Taliban or some authoritarian gov were immune to sanctions or freezing of their money in the global economy? Would that be ideal? Do we want the govs of say, N. Korea to be able to spend on anything anywhere outside of the traditional flow of money? (A counter point here would be to allow Cuba to trade without worry of the US embargo on them and whoever is fool-hearty enough to trade with them.)

I'm not trying to convince you otherwise because I don't think SLAP is going to be a great medium for rational debate, but just pointing out a lot of the things you brought up are the typical talking points of BTC of people who oppose it.

I think the energy debate is so vast because, again, since it sounds like you don't like BTC, so at what point would the energy be an acceptable amount if you don't see it as value? I see it as incredible value to the world, so if going back and forth won't change minds. A larger thesis on BTC and our current system and how it relates to environmental issue, which you mentioned also about why a little inflation is bad, is that our current system is built on an inflating economy that literally promotes spending and consumption for the economy to be perpetually growing. If the economy and consumption stops growing, the system collapses, so in my view BTC would vastly reduce consumption on a zoomed out view, which is way better environmentally.

Speaking about Wells Fargo or traditional banks, I think I just have a different view on the services provided as beneficial. Just because it's the only options around doesn't mean it's not shit. I currently can put my BTC up as collateral on a Defi platform and receive a loan at 1% and get the money in an hour and skip the bullshit middlemen and fees involved in traditional finance. I don't blame people working at banks necessarily because it's just the system we have in place, but I personally don't see their services as a benefit to society.

On your inflation point, I think I'd just 100% disagree with that statement about it fucking the poor. It's literally the opposite. Our current system of inflation is perpetually dividing the wealth gap further and further apart. The people who have money benefit from owning assets that appreciate while the poor lose purchasing power in the dollar. And when inflation is above 10% a year, it fucks them harder. I find it weird you don't seem concerned of our money supply doubling in the last 2 years and not think that has a profound impact on inflation and how that could somehow be healthy in some way. Again, that goes back to my critique of our system being locked into needed to be perpetually growing and consuming, which is a drain on this planet.

Regarding your statement about governments failing, I think you missed my point. I said fiat (government backed currencies) have 100% failed throughout history. And I consider myself more on the left of politics as well, but I just don't see how you can think the government is productive in spending capital that actually helps those who need it. I think all governments are slow and corrupt in how money is spent. That goes back to the beauty of decentralization of Bitcoin. I'm not for some anarchy like some Bitcoiners, but I think our government is absolute shit at protecting the vulnerable.

And just a quick point about questioning whale wallets decreasing, it's literally just on chain data. I'm not telling you an opinion. You can subscribe to places like GlassNode that share all the data and charts on stuff like that. It's expensive to subscribe, but a lot of people cover the charts and data that you can see online. Also the wallets holding over .01 BTC is at its highest ever volume at 93 million, which is just the trend of it being more decentralized over time.

I'm sure this will all just boil down to agree to disagree. I just happen to see BTC as a way for people to opt out of current systems and think the world is fucked with it's current forms of monetary policy and BTC could, and will, bring immense change.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sketchyrider on December 08, 2021, 08:38:23 AM

I think the energy debate is so vast because, again, since it sounds like you don't like BTC, so at what point would the energy be an acceptable amount if you don't see it as value?

this argument is a logical fallacy that sidesteps the totally valid criticism of bitcoin. its like addressing someone pointing out vast inequality and responding "at what level would inequality be acceptable". just because the answer is somewhat flexible and subjective, does not mean that it is good that bitcoin transactions use a shocking amount of energy.

bitcoin does not address our capitalist model of constant growth.

bitcoin is not decentralized, its mostly owned by "whales" and mostly mined by a small minority. it is only decentralized in theory, not in practice.

bitcoin has been around for a while and has not changed anything save getting a few people rich. it is currently being used adjacent the financial system you claim to criticize. it has not changed the economy of El Salvador, and i think its kind of insulting when people bring up third world countries in an attempt to justify their portfolio going up.

disappointing to see someone claim to be "left" but justify absurd energy use for a currency that does not improve anything for the common man and lines the pockets of the wealthy. i expect this sort of thing from reddit but not slap.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on December 08, 2021, 09:04:34 AM
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I think the energy debate is so vast because, again, since it sounds like you don't like BTC, so at what point would the energy be an acceptable amount if you don't see it as value?
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this argument is a logical fallacy that sidesteps the totally valid criticism of bitcoin. its like addressing someone pointing out vast inequality and responding "at what level would inequality be acceptable". just because the answer is somewhat flexible and subjective, does not mean that it is good that bitcoin transactions use a shocking amount of energy.

bitcoin does not address our capitalist model of constant growth.

bitcoin is not decentralized, its mostly owned by "whales" and mostly mined by a small minority. it is only decentralized in theory, not in practice.

bitcoin has been around for a while and has not changed anything save getting a few people rich. it is currently being used adjacent the financial system you claim to criticize. it has not changed the economy of El Salvador, and i think its kind of insulting when people bring up third world countries in an attempt to justify their portfolio going up.

disappointing to see someone claim to be "left" but justify absurd energy use for a currency that does not improve anything for the common man and lines the pockets of the wealthy. i expect this sort of thing from reddit but not slap.

I never said Bitcoin doesn't use a lot of energy. It certainly does. What I said is what that energy is used for. Obviously you disagree and that's fine. You won't change your mind, but my point is, I still think people like you would say it's terrible for the planet if 95% of it was green mining. It won't change that.

And it's just incredibly naive and uninformed to say it has not changed anything but getting "a few people rich." I personally don't like how El Salvador implemented it, and didn't mention El Salvador in any of my points. But how does having millions of people in places like Nigeria using it as a way to bank themselves and have store of value to transact with that isn't debasing away not helping? And if you don't think people using it for remittances isn't helping people in huge ways, then again you're just uninformed.

And saying it does not improve anything for the common man is just idiotic. Anyone can opt into the network. Doesn't matter if you put 10 dollars or 10 million. 

I'm curious, do you think our country and world are just fine in terms of monetary policy? Obviously you're critical of Bitcoin, but what's your solution? Do you think there's an inflation problem that can somehow be controlled? What's your idea of how to shrink the wealth gap in society? Those are genuine questions.

And what a depressing statement to feel like someone who claims to be "left" but apparently isn't 100% all in on every one of your "left" ideals. That's why so many people hate liberals these days. What a terrible way to live to not adjust your stances after learning more on a subject.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on December 08, 2021, 10:46:59 AM
@RBC We might have to agree to disagree. Although, I do appreciate your view on this.

I might not be a huge fan of BTC, but it is because of the issue that surround it. The dislike and skepticism comes from the problems associated with it, not from knee-jerk reaction. I think there are some good that be taken from this idea and re-used in other non-traditional banking formats.

My worries still stay within the fact that there are far more efficient ways to transfer money in terms of energy. Visa does an awesome job of this (as much as they suck for other reasons).

But, I agree with you and G raham that it is better than Western Union for international transfers. WU is horrible relic of the past and needs to be replaced with something better. If Kenyans can use non-traditional banking on their phones to transfer/save money, why can't there be an international version of this?

In terms of loans, so Defi is basically like peer-to-peer lending with traditional currency, but with BTC? Why bother with a new currency? Why not just do peer-to peer banking with USD?
And, 1% interest doesn't sound like much, but if BTC rises, the value of my labor falls. This makes the loan more expensive. A loan that should have taken 40 hours of labor to repay could take far far more if the currency continues to increase in value. The increase in value is added interest on the loan. What would my life look like if I took out a 5 BTC loan 5 years ago? I'd be screwed even if the interest rate was zero.

The benefit of inflation for workers, governments, etc. is if the dollar loses value (and our labor moves up with inflation... this is a big if) we actually pay back less in terms of hours of labor. Huge inflation jumps are terrible for everyone, but why should we be concerned about 2% inflation if wages rise as well?

Moreover, wealthy people have cash, assets, and everything. If I'm holding 10 bucks and it is worth 10.50 a month later awesome, but the guy holding 10,000,000 is going to be that much richer than me. It is the same as the stock market. If my stock goes up 2% in a cool, I have another 50 bucks, but if I had millions in stocks, cool, I have another 500K to buy and sell the little people.

Money supply: Doubling in the last x years. Can you explain to me why this is bad? I honestly don't see a problem if the economy goes from 10 trillion to 21 trillion, how does this work without more money? I'm going to see if David Harvey discusses this in any of his papers/lectures.

All govs corrupt - free market will work things out better: The libertarian belief in the market strikes me as setting up common people up for failure. Friedman, the Chicago School, Regan, Thatcher, and so on who all said government is the problem brought about 40 years of the wealthiest getting wealthier and the rug being pulled out from everyone else. Few things worry me more than the "free-market," especially as it seems to correlate with a rise in broken windows policing that just completely fuck the poor.

Whale Wallets: I never said you were giving me an opinion, I was asking if you could show me where you found this or could provide an easy chart for us to read. In my quick search, I don't see much to support this: https://time.com/6110392/bitcoin-ownership/



You bring up good points, but why not just take the peer-to-peer anti-traditional bank aspects that surround BTC in some cases (as it is very much a part of WallStreet as well) and use it with USD or some other currency?  I'm super far left in terms of fearing the right hand of the state (police, military, etc.) and but I enjoy the left hand of the state (welfare, regulation in favor of workers/consumers, healthcare, etc.). I don't think it always works out great, but I have much more faith in the technocratic government institutions more than I do in the private market institutions where the rich/powerful can prey on everyone else and claims "social Darwinism" has fated them to be our masters and us at the bottom.

Maybe, I'm propping up aspects of society that suck, but maybe as I've gotten older my anarchist views softened and I'm become the compromising socialist. Libertarianism and anarchism both have romantic ideas that sound great on paper, but both are disasters in practice.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: RCB3 on December 08, 2021, 11:11:46 AM
@RBC We might have to agree to disagree. Although, I do appreciate your view on this.

I might not be a huge fan of BTC, but it is because of the issue that surround it. The dislike and skepticism comes from the problems associated with it, not from knee-jerk reaction. I think there are some good that be taken from this idea and re-used in other non-traditional banking formats.

My worries still stay within the fact that there are far more efficient ways to transfer money in terms of energy. So, in terms of this role feature it is a bad currency.

In terms of loans, so Defi is basically like peer-to-peer lending with traditional currency, but with BTC? Why bother with a new currency? Why not just do peer-to peer banking with USD?
And, 1% interest doesn't sound like much, but if BTC rises, the value of my labor falls. This makes the loan more expensive. A loan that should have taken 40 hours of labor to repay could take far far more if the currency continues to increase in value. The increase in value is added interest on the loan.


This is the benefit of inflation for workers, governments, etc., if the dollar loses value (but our labor moves up with inflation... this is a big if) we actually pay back less in terms of hours of labor. Huge inflation jumps are terrible for everyone, but why should we be concerned about 2% inflation?

Moreover, wealthy people have cash, assets, and everything. If I'm holding 10 bucks and it is worth 10.50 a month later awesome, but the guy holding 10,000,000 is going to be that much richer than me. It is the same as the stock market. If my stock goes up 2% in a cool, I have another 50 bucks, but if I had millions in stocks, cool, I have another 500K to buy and sell the little people.

Money supply: Doubling in the last x years. Can you explain to me why this is bad? I honestly don't see a problem if the economy goes from 10 trillion to 21 trillion, how does this work without more money?

All govs corrupt - free market will work things out better: The libertarian belief in the market strikes me as setting up common people up for failure. Friedman, the Chicago School, Regan, Thatcher, and so on who all said government is the problem brought about 40 years of the wealthiest getting wealthier and the rug being pulled out from everyone else.

Whale Wallets: I never said you were giving me an opinion, I was asking if you could show me where you found this or could provide an easy chart for us to read. In my quick search, I don't see much to support this: https://time.com/6110392/bitcoin-ownership/



You bring up good points, but why not just take the peer-to-peer anti-traditional bank aspects that surround BTC in some cases (as it is very much a part of WallStreet as well) and use it with USD or some other currency?  I'm super far left in terms of fearing the right hand of the state (police, military, etc.) and but I enjoy the left hand of the state (welfare, regulation in favor of workers/consumers, healthcare, etc.). I don't think it always works out great, but I have in the technocratic government institutions more than in a private market where the rich/powerful can prey on everyone else.

Maybe, I'm propping up aspects of society that suck, but maybe as I'm getting older my anarchist views softened and I'm become the compromising socialist. Libertarianism and anarchism both have romantic ideas that sound great on paper, but both are disasters in practice.

I probably didn't explain this well. It's a decentralized lending platform, so if I wanted a loan for, say, a house I could get that loan with 1% interest. So I'm saying that's tons better than getting a traditional loan from a bank at 3.5% or whatever. That's more of a critique of central banks and opting outside of traditional finance.

And as far as inflation, I could agree 2% would be ok, but our CPI number that just came out was 6.2%. And the vast majority of economists believe it's actually closer to 10-15%, so hopefully you'd agree that number is bad. Even the Fed admitted it's bad. And I guess I'm confused why you'd not have an issue that our circulating supply of money just doubled. That just vastly decreases our purchasing power. And why it scares me is I think we're not going to be able to cut back inflation anytime soon. So if inflation continues at 10-15% year over year, think how much less value our dollar is. And wages obviously aren't catching up with that. So that again ties back to BTC having a hard capped fixed supply of 21 million.

And as I said before, I'm definitely not a libertarian or think anarchy works. I think people will always assemble and form leadership, but I just have grown more and more wary of politicians, even ones I think have good intentions, and how power corrupts.

I really do hate the notion that people have to identify being left or right. I love what Andrew Yang is doing in trying to disassemble the 2 party system, because I think it's fucking up a lot of things. And just a side note, Yang's part of the "left" but is a big proponent of BTC.

I can find the Glass Node charts showing the BTC whale wallets decreasing and individual wallets increasing and DM it to you if you want. Don't have time as the moment as I'm heading out for a work project.

I appreciate people bringing up points to challenge stuff and not throw out blanket statements without looking into stuff. I'd look into Lyn Alden's work about the economy for a bi-partisan take on why I think the economy is fucked. She's a brilliant mind with some really easy to digest data that just sticks to facts, so she's not approaching it from a political side. She's a proponent of BTC because of her research, but you can disagree with that but still see her work on debt cycles and where things are potentially headed.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: G raham on December 08, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
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I think the energy debate is so vast because, again, since it sounds like you don't like BTC, so at what point would the energy be an acceptable amount if you don't see it as value?
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this argument is a logical fallacy that sidesteps the totally valid criticism of bitcoin. its like addressing someone pointing out vast inequality and responding "at what level would inequality be acceptable". just because the answer is somewhat flexible and subjective, does not mean that it is good that bitcoin transactions use a shocking amount of energy.

bitcoin does not address our capitalist model of constant growth.

bitcoin is not decentralized, its mostly owned by "whales" and mostly mined by a small minority. it is only decentralized in theory, not in practice.

bitcoin has been around for a while and has not changed anything save getting a few people rich. it is currently being used adjacent the financial system you claim to criticize. it has not changed the economy of El Salvador, and i think its kind of insulting when people bring up third world countries in an attempt to justify their portfolio going up.

disappointing to see someone claim to be "left" but justify absurd energy use for a currency that does not improve anything for the common man and lines the pockets of the wealthy. i expect this sort of thing from reddit but not slap.

https://twitter.com/gladstein/status/1340836877595594752?s=20
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PAWL on December 08, 2021, 09:00:34 PM
The 'waste of energy' in regards to crypto will soon be solved (or at least gradually solved) as it shifts more towards proof of stake and away from the way more energy consuming proof of work model. Also, people love to tout electric cars as if its solving anything. where does the electricity come from that people are charging these cars with? Likely a polluting source at some level, not to mention the mining for the battery components. Crypto is not going anywhere, neither are NFTs and the metaverse. Adapt or be the boomer that never learned to use the internet/a computer.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on December 08, 2021, 09:35:59 PM
The 'waste of energy' in regards to crypto will soon be solved (or at least gradually solved) as it shifts more towards proof of stake and away from the way more energy consuming proof of work model. Also, people love to tout electric cars as if its solving anything. where does the electricity come from that people are charging these cars with? Likely a polluting source at some level, not to mention the mining for the battery components. Crypto is not going anywhere, neither are NFTs and the metaverse. Adapt or be the boomer that never learned to use the internet/a computer.

EVs are way better than ICEVs. Still not better than public transport or cycling. Here's some quick back of the envelope calculations.
https://medium.com/@maximilian.zoller/ice-vehicles-vs-electric-vehicle-d16eb0d78487
Ofc that's not including the mining costs of metals.

I have some BTC but I'm probably gonna sell it and use a portion of those gains to buy ETH when they move to proof of stake. NGL i find the crypto/nfts/meta/meme stock speculation hella exhausting. I just dump savings in index funds. I'm in the process of reading books on value investing which is also pretty boring.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: j....soy..... on December 08, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
How much money we talkin' here?.........
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: GliderSkateboards on January 04, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Not a crypto guy, but regularly investing into ETFs...Think its the best way to invest while being risk averse...VOO, VGT, QQQ, VUG, SCHD are some of my personal favorites
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: KBizzle on January 04, 2022, 10:43:36 PM
Crypto is not going anywhere, neither are NFTs and the metaverse. Adapt or be the boomer that never learned to use the internet/a computer.

This is exactly it.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 06, 2022, 08:56:41 PM
Are we all going to be bag holders?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-14/musk-bezos-lead-the-charge-of-u-s-billionaires-selling-shares?srnd=premium
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 07, 2022, 08:37:23 AM
Are we all going to be bag holders?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-14/musk-bezos-lead-the-charge-of-u-s-billionaires-selling-shares?srnd=premium

Usually these people know something before the public does. Kinda like when big positions were sold off right before the Covid crash in 2020. Could just be that these people just want to secure their bags while at ATHs?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 14, 2022, 08:30:22 PM
Are we all going to be bag holders?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-14/musk-bezos-lead-the-charge-of-u-s-billionaires-selling-shares?srnd=premium

Anyone have any ideas on what to do in the market? Overall, I'm down from the end of last quarter and this week my investments are all over the place.
(https://i.ibb.co/zNLcHvr/Screen-Shot-2022-01-15-at-12-05-00-AM.png)

I feel this might be a good place to park some money for the moment.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-14/demand-explodes-for-inflation-protected-savings-bonds-in-u-s?srnd=premium
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: j....soy..... on January 14, 2022, 11:02:39 PM
I mean….how much money are we talkin here………
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 20, 2022, 05:58:31 PM
I mean….how much money are we talkin here………

Getting fucking hammered here. A year's worth of gains wiped out in 3 weeks.

I should have known as soon as the gov was going to stop pouring money into the market it'd drop. What are we supposed to do with our 401K money when the market goes down? Anyone moving shit around?

(https://i.ibb.co/7ttrn5y/Screen-Shot-2022-01-20-at-9-56-56-PM.png)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ilovegay on January 20, 2022, 09:36:41 PM
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I mean….how much money are we talkin here………
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Getting fucking hammered here. A year's worth of gains wiped out in 3 weeks.

I should have known as soon as the gov was going to stop pouring money into the market it'd drop. What are we supposed to do with our 401K money when the market goes down? Anyone moving shit around?

(https://i.ibb.co/7ttrn5y/Screen-Shot-2022-01-20-at-9-56-56-PM.png)


I am definitely no expert, but I think you should not move much around. Play the long game. I am actually thinking about putting some bigger cash down now on stocks and crypto while it is low.

It could also possibly go much lower. Who knows. Good luck, and please don’t take my opinion as an expert advice.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on January 21, 2022, 07:17:31 AM
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I mean….how much money are we talkin here………
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Getting fucking hammered here. A year's worth of gains wiped out in 3 weeks.

I should have known as soon as the gov was going to stop pouring money into the market it'd drop. What are we supposed to do with our 401K money when the market goes down? Anyone moving shit around?


If it's in a 401(k) and you're not retiring anytime soon then I'd leave it. The entire market is red so where would you plan on moving it? If you withdraw it then you'll get hit with tax penalties.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 21, 2022, 08:45:53 AM
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I mean….how much money are we talkin here………
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Getting fucking hammered here. A year's worth of gains wiped out in 3 weeks.

I should have known as soon as the gov was going to stop pouring money into the market it'd drop. What are we supposed to do with our 401K money when the market goes down? Anyone moving shit around?
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If it's in a 401(k) and you're not retiring anytime soon then I'd leave it. The entire market is red so where would you plan on moving it? If you withdraw it then you'll get hit with tax penalties.

I should have switched a good portion of the 401K to a Stable Income Fund or into bonds. Stable Income Funds have the lowest returns in a good market but also don't really drop too much in a bad market. The money would stay in the 401K but be in a far less risky investment.

https://retirementplans.vanguard.com/pe/pdfs/F4249.pdf?cbdForce

Damn, I miss the days of pensions. I don't have the time or knowledge to really know what the hell I'm doing here.


Edit: I'm a fucking bag holder. 401Ks are bullshit. We hold on to our shit and buy no matter what with automatic payments and the traders bail and leave us holding the bag.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Underpressureflips on January 22, 2022, 09:21:01 AM
Unless you are retiring in the next 5 years who gives a shit. I lost like 16k in a day. Who cares? I got like 30 years left before it matters. Red is good. Stocks are on sale. Buy buy buy.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: harmonci on January 28, 2022, 01:27:14 AM
Hi everybody, I think everyone should make some savings for the future. And I want to invest some money in crypto. So I have a question about does crypto trade 24/7 (https://www.napbots.com/guide/does-crypto-trade-24-7). And find out that I can even trade cryptocurrencies during my weekends. In fact, I can also use automated algorithmic and quantitative trading bots.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Mouth on January 28, 2022, 02:35:09 AM
Yes. You can trade crypto 24/7 and many exchanges enable the use of trading bots.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on January 31, 2022, 11:40:55 PM
Unless you are retiring in the next 5 years who gives a shit. I lost like 16k in a day. Who cares? I got like 30 years left before it matters. Red is good. Stocks are on sale. Buy buy buy.

I'm impressed with your fortitude. I think I would have had a heart attack.

I've lost about 4% of my 401K portfolio's value in the past 30 days. The value is still more than the investment, but I'm not cut out for this rollercoaster. We will see what the rest of the week brings.

As for non-401K stuff, my individual stocks are all over the place. My meme stocks and weed stocks are worthless (of course) but my regular traditional company bets are in decent shape. Thinking of just dumping the rest of the investment money I have sitting around into BTC (despite thinking its dumb and terrible for the world), being mellow and just buying SPY, or going a bit crazy putting it in QQQ. I'd buy Amazon after watching the PBS documentary on the company, but I can't afford a single share of that shit.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Paul_Glider Skateboards on January 31, 2022, 11:59:21 PM
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Unless you are retiring in the next 5 years who gives a shit. I lost like 16k in a day. Who cares? I got like 30 years left before it matters. Red is good. Stocks are on sale. Buy buy buy.
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I'm impressed with your fortitude. I think I would have had a heart attack.

I've lost about 4% of my 401K portfolio's value in the past 30 days. The value is still more than the investment, but I'm not cut out for this rollercoaster. We will see what the rest of the week brings.

As for non-401K stuff, my individual stocks are all over the place. My meme stocks and weed stocks are worthless (of course) but my regular traditional company bets are in decent shape. Thinking of just dumping the rest of the investment money I have sitting around into BTC (despite thinking its dumb and terrible for the world), being mellow and just buying SPY, or going a bit crazy putting it in QQQ. I'd buy Amazon after watching the PBS documentary on the company, but I can't afford a single share of that shit.

I love ETF Investing for the sole reason of individual stocks being so expensive, even if you can buy em at a fraction. Plus, its a bit more safe since you are buying a whole basket of stocks versus banking on handpicked companies.

Just comes down to risk and your toleration IMO.

For risk-averse people like myself, yeah I just heavy up on the S&P 500 like VOO or SPY like you mentioned. Warren Buffet approved :)

And i wouldnt sweat your 401k situation since I assume you aren't retiring soon. Matter of fact, its a win since everything is so cheap right now
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: sometimeperhaps on February 01, 2022, 06:26:12 AM
I second ETFs. If anyone wants to start investing, finds it confusing (it is), overwhelming (it is), time consuming (it is), etc. ETFs are a great way to get started. Its a simple solution to a complicated endeavor. Plenty of options to choose from, with various forms of risk.

Hell I have a friend who’s a wealth advisor and all his personal stuff is in ETFs, and this is coming from a guy who’s job it is to watch the markets.

*this is not financial advice
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on April 21, 2022, 11:03:04 AM
I recently invested in Series I bonds. They gain interest at the rate of inflation.

However, the money is tied up for a full year. If the money is taken out before 5 years, the investor loses the last 3 months of interest.

But for the moment I'm looking at an 8% return, which far better than the -6% my 401K has gotten this year or the .5% that my bank offers for savings.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-14/how-to-buy-i-bonds-time-may-be-running-out-to-lock-in-high-inflation-yields
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on May 05, 2022, 12:23:41 PM
Fuck this is going to hurt.

I'm bag holding pretty hard right now.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qcv9ngB/Screen-Shot-2022-05-05-at-4-20-58-PM.png)

Edit: I've put in like 2,600 into my 401K since Jan 1 and my balance is 6K lower than it was on Jan 1. At least some Wall Street broker can buy some coke and hookers with that money.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Nosferatu on May 05, 2022, 01:44:24 PM
The question is when to buy the dip
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Chatbot on May 05, 2022, 01:51:56 PM
I think we still have a way to go but DCA is probably the best bet as you won't know where the bottom is until it's gone.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on September 22, 2022, 10:15:55 PM
Anyone making any moves? Was today the worst of it?


It is interesting to look back at this thread. I should have trusted myself a bit more in Jan.

And, I thought I was getting hammered back then...
(https://i.ibb.co/vmgW6yM/Screen-Shot-2022-09-23-at-2-16-39-AM.png)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on March 28, 2023, 12:31:49 PM
Gonna start investing $100 every month into my Charles Schwab account. Any penny or blue chip stocks y’all like?
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 28, 2023, 12:38:03 PM
Gonna start investing $100 every month into my Charles Schwab account. Any penny or blue chip stocks y’all like?

Considering diversifying your I Bonds. Bong bong…

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/what-are-i-bonds/

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/savings-bonds/i-bonds/
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: rawr1922 on March 28, 2023, 01:02:57 PM
Thank You GS77! Life changing advice. I’m definitely gonna buy I bonds. Pretty cool have amounts as low as $25 to get started. Maybe I’ll do $50 ibond & $50 Schwab every month
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: igrindtwinkies on March 28, 2023, 06:22:56 PM
I put most of my end of year bonus into SPY this year.  I didn't realize VOO has slightly lower fees.  Not enough to withdraw and reinvest, but for future reference I will be buying VOO.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: newguy on March 29, 2023, 06:55:34 AM
Yeah sure let me « invest » in fake shit dreamed up by the utterly deranged who gorge on the labor of workers and the destruction of our planet.

fucking hell
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: streetmeat on March 29, 2023, 07:09:20 AM
about 6 months ago i dumped the majority of my savings into a HYOS account thats currently at 4.25% APY. also got into the i-bond thing when it was at 9.62% and maxed out the $10k on it.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: PatrickSkateman on March 29, 2023, 07:21:23 AM
Index funds all day.

Vanguard VTSAX was always my favorite.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on June 06, 2023, 09:53:39 PM
How are everyone's investments doing? The DOW isn't that too from its pandemic peak.


Also, as I'm typing this out, this whole investment things strikes me as completely absurd. The avg retirement savings for someone in their thirties is around is $30,000-ish. Even if someone received some crazy 10% return on their investments, they'd only get 3K in return. That'll really help pay for retirement.  ::)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Nosferatu on June 06, 2023, 10:35:05 PM
How are everyone's investments doing? The DOW isn't that too from its pandemic peak.


Also, as I'm typing this out, this whole investment things strikes me as completely absurd. The avg retirement savings for someone in their thirties is around is $30,000-ish. Even if someone received some crazy 10% return on their investments, they'd only get 3K in return. That'll really help pay for retirement.  ::)

If your post isn’t a joke… google “compound interest”  and then mess around with this thing (https://www.aarp.org/money/investing/investment_return_calculator/?cmp=KNC-DSO-COR-Core-Money-NonBrand-Phrase-30830-GOOG-MONY-InvestmentReturnsCalculator-Phrase-NonBrand&gclid=CjwKCAjwsvujBhAXEiwA_UXnAOKEoFPLx0gq9vTfbzGd_F0g42Qf9ZiEFC6jUASifKQ3OGNIAhRx8xoCgg4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on June 07, 2023, 12:50:05 AM
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How are everyone's investments doing? The DOW isn't that too from its pandemic peak.


Also, as I'm typing this out, this whole investment things strikes me as completely absurd. The avg retirement savings for someone in their thirties is around is $30,000-ish. Even if someone received some crazy 10% return on their investments, they'd only get 3K in return. That'll really help pay for retirement.  ::)
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If your post isn’t a joke… google “compound interest”  and then mess around with this thing (https://www.aarp.org/money/investing/investment_return_calculator/?cmp=KNC-DSO-COR-Core-Money-NonBrand-Phrase-30830-GOOG-MONY-InvestmentReturnsCalculator-Phrase-NonBrand&gclid=CjwKCAjwsvujBhAXEiwA_UXnAOKEoFPLx0gq9vTfbzGd_F0g42Qf9ZiEFC6jUASifKQ3OGNIAhRx8xoCgg4QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)

@Nosferatu Thanks for posting this. This is a handy tool. However, it still doesn't make me feel like retirement will be an enjoyable thing for most people relying on their 401K.

I recently changed jobs so things might be rosier than this picture, but let's stick with an example from my last job, which I was in for 5 years.

Over those 5 years, I put in an average 400 a month and my 401K's avg return was 5.2%. Assuming this rate of return over a 32 year period and assuming I increase my contribution to coincide with inflation over the next 32 years (even though inflation was often higher than my usual 2% raise), I'll have 600K or the equivalent of 226K in today's dollars. And, with a 3.3% draw down each year that means I'll be able to pull out nearly 1,650 per month in future dollars, which are equal to $621 per month in today's dollars.

And, while this picture might be a bit drab as it doesn't include career changes that might come with more money, but it also doesn't account for for the fees the 401K service provider charge me, the potential of having to borrow against the 401K for a home, medical, or general hardship, or being between jobs and not being able to put money into the 401K.

I don't see how investing is going to work for the average person.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: igrindtwinkies on June 07, 2023, 08:15:19 AM
Why are you only looking at how the market has done the last five years?  The majority of that was covid related madness.  Take a look at what the market did in 2008, and then what it did in the years following if you want it to make more sense.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: TheLurper on June 07, 2023, 09:44:39 AM
Why are you only looking at how the market has done the last five years?  The majority of that was covid related madness.  Take a look at what the market did in 2008, and then what it did in the years following if you want it to make more sense.

While including the recent covid up and down and up might throw things off a bit, I feel starting at the bottom of the 2008/9 would paint a picture that is unlikely to occur again.

The avg rate of return on a 401K is 5% to 8%. So, I land right within the low-end of that range.
https://time.com/personal-finance/article/average-return-rate-on-401k/

If we take 8% and keep all the other numbers the same, we get 917K future dollars or 356K of today's dollars. This is monthly draw down payment of 2,500 in future dollars or 979 of today's dollars. This was the reward for giving up nearly 10% of my monthly pre-tax income.

My point is even with decent returns the amount of money most people are investing doesn't matter. Like, we are allowed to play a game that benefits us marginally, which gets us to support a system that benefits the real rich who don't need to work. Or, we can engage in risky WSB YOLO investments or crypto, which is basically the same thing.

Maybe, real estate is the only option for real returns, but only if one is wealthy enough to afford the down payment and qualify for the loan. And, it is currently cheaper to rent in most cities than it is to own. Even though this will probably change once interest rates come down.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/real-estate-cheaper-to-buy-than-rent-four-cities-home-prices-mortgage-rates/
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: IUTSM on June 07, 2023, 09:50:20 AM
I dont know much about investing, a little bit, but isnt the greatest manner of wealth transfer/gain occurring through home/property ownership?

Regarding investments and markets, ive got a friend who recently inherited a couple million USD. Hearing about the rates of return and options of what not available to someone like me vs them is vastly different. The more they invest at once (100k) the interest rate went up like 50% from what someone gets investing under 100k.

Madness. All if it
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: igrindtwinkies on June 07, 2023, 11:12:04 AM
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Why are you only looking at how the market has done the last five years?  The majority of that was covid related madness.  Take a look at what the market did in 2008, and then what it did in the years following if you want it to make more sense.
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While including the recent covid up and down and up might throw things off a bit, I feel starting at the bottom of the 2008/9 would paint a picture that is unlikely to occur again.

The avg rate of return on a 401K is 5% to 8%. So, I land right within the low-end of that range.
https://time.com/personal-finance/article/average-return-rate-on-401k/

If we take 8% and keep all the other numbers the same, we get 917K future dollars or 356K of today's dollars. This is monthly draw down payment of 2,500 in future dollars or 979 of today's dollars. This was the reward for giving up nearly 10% of my monthly pre-tax income.

My point is even with decent returns the amount of money most people are investing doesn't matter. Like, we are allowed to play a game that benefits us marginally, which gets us to support a system that benefits the real rich who don't need to work. Or, we can engage in risky WSB YOLO investments or crypto, which is basically the same thing.

Maybe, real estate is the only option for real returns, but only if one is wealthy enough to afford the down payment and qualify for the loan. And, it is currently cheaper to rent in most cities than it is to own. Even though this will probably change once interest rates come down.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/real-estate-cheaper-to-buy-than-rent-four-cities-home-prices-mortgage-rates/

"What is considered a good 401(k) return?

Krisstin Petersmarck, an investment advisor representative at Bridegriver Advisors in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, claimed  the average annual return for a 401(k), based on a standard portfolio mix of 60% stocks and 40% bonds, is 5% to 8%.“Whether a 401(k) return is good or not really depends on how it is invested,” she said."

From the article you posted, this lady is putting 40 percent of her money in bonds.  From my understanding, bonds are more for late in life, low risk investing.  More suited for someone in their 50's.  Money put in index funds has an average return of like 8 percent.  Money left in the S&P 500 doubles itself on average every 8 years.

I used 2008 as an example because that is usually the first thing people mention when they try to bash on investing money.  The system sucks, but I'd rather earn 8 percent on my money rather than letting it sit in a bank account getting slowly eaten at by inflation.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Nosferatu on June 07, 2023, 11:23:48 AM
Yeah your 401k won’t automatically set you up for life but it is going to do more than any other alternative with a similar risk level. In the US you will also have social security benefits. The two ways to have more money in retirement is to increase your salary or tighten down your budget and invest a larger percentage. No other cheat codes that I know of other than being born rich or inheriting a bunch of money…
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: ValentinaPrince on January 05, 2024, 05:58:13 PM
Keep up the good work in making mindful investment decisions! If you have questions about these strategies, don't hesitate to seek advice from financial experts for personalized guidance.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: masieltimer on January 05, 2024, 07:26:34 PM
Ah, investing in SPY is a solid move! Don't sweat the fee difference too much; it's often marginal in the grand scheme. However, shifting to VOO for future buys shows your commitment to optimizing. Speaking of optimizing, have you explored strategies like backdoor Roth IRA 2023 (https://www.physicianonfire.com/backdoor/) for potential retirement benefits? It involves tactical conversions that might offer tax advantages.
Title: Re: Investing?
Post by: Hevonen on January 06, 2024, 12:30:23 AM
Put $50 in crypto two years ago while drunk and bought two random coins. One went up like 60% in the first month and I cashed out $50 cause I was running low on cash. Then forgot password and couldn't login for two years untill new years eve when I finally figured it out and my balance has gone up to $149!!! Looks like I'm one of those crypto geniuses