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Where my vegetarians/vegans at?!
meat is murder and poisons ur soul
lotta leftists in here that aren't vegan smh tf are yall doin
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we first need to seize the means of production from the owners and empower the working class. then we can free the cows(from their mortal existence via butchery and consumption).
Knocked it outta the park frank! Ethical consumption doesn’t exist under capitalism. T Bone slim once said the two greatest enemies of the working class are their stomachs and their bosses.
I’m all for animal liberation, but I personally find it to be shortsighted and irresponsible to put a premium on animal liberation before working class liberation.
word. i'm kind of tired of people complaining about leftist not being vegan or woke enough or being accused of being hypocrites for literally doing the same shit normies do, like owning nikes or adidas. meanwhile the neoliberal machine keeps on trucking unimpressed as the left can't decide what talking point to meticously fight over. we gotta fight fashs and ancaps first and get everyone behind that. the vote with your wallet argument is also a purely neoliberal one. not saying it isn't important to support small businesses, but the change needs to be structural and achieved by legislation and/or (imo preferrably) syndicalization.
also no one is perfect, or a perfect representation of their personal systemic utopia, as long as living that way is hard to achieve with your own financial means or for other reasons.
Yeah that puritan shit is for nerds. I left the church cause i was sick of having some loser whip out a yard stick to measure your sins against. We all are doing the best we can, veganism is a noble goal to attain to, but you don't help your cause when you try and shame people into it
Let’s not forget it’s also hella classist and creates unnecessary fissures throughout the left.
IMO, show some fucking solidarity and just encourage a healthy diet and exercise.
in all seriousness, veganism is definitely not classist. vegan food (rice, noodles, beans, tofu, veggies, bread etc) is much cheaper than meat/dairy. i'm a college student who makes about 10-12k a year and i'm still vegan. i also see the "no ethical consumption under capitalism" argument quite a bit; ethically consuming things like plastic, gas etc is definitely tricky. however, you can (much more) ethically consume food simply by buying different (and cheaper) things at the grocery store. veganism is quite literally the easiest thing you can do overnight to improve the state of this planet; you minimize not only your negative environmental impact but you minimize animal abuse as well. if a huge part of leftism is about social equality, then why are we okay with the mass abuse of animals?
leftism is mainly about basic economic equality amongst humans and sort of eliminating the boss-worker relationship and the money system in favor of worker owned means of production, a to various degrees planned economy to ensure basic needs are met, the elimination of our current financial system for something else and also somewhat inherently, internationalist and anti-racist. you can add social progress like veganism/anti-animal abuse to it, you can add feminism and trans-rights to it, you can add environmentalism to it if you want, and then you get intersectionalism, and that is imo also a good way to look at it, but no one is all that at the same time. you will never be a totally perfect intersectionalist, that would be sort of an ideal sjw human, the super woke hyper-ally. someone like that literally doesn't exist irl.
thus it makes no sense to draw the line for others if they are leftist or not, just because they don't put the same emphasis on veganism as you. it's more a post-left thing, as in, if we'd alreadylive in an actual leftist society, which could be something like socialism, or communism, or some form of leftist syndicalism or whatever... then that would be something that would probably adressed wholesale. but on the other hand how would that be done without authoritarian mandates?
the reason i'm opposed to the idea of total veganism is that it's authoritarian in concept. veganism objectively is the best form of consumption imo, but what food you put in your body is a very subjective, personal thing. and before someone says "yo frank, you love vaccines so much, for sure you are for mandates, right?" no mfer stfu, i am pro-vax, but anti-mandate. for the same reason.
but that's not to say that veganism and animal rights can't be an important part for you and other leftists. the only way you could inherently connect it to leftism tho would be via economics. so the question would be in what way veganism empowers workers worldwide to liberate themselves. but many workers in the world, unfortunately, have to work in the meat industry. so as long as they still have to hustle for their bosses and can not decide themselves to dismantle the meatplant and start a greenhouse instead, it would not be a show of solidarity with those workers, but rather a fuck you. and those workers could be lost to fascists causes worst case. and even if these workers were all vegans themselves already, they might still have to partake in meatpacking or butchering out of economic necessity to earn a living wage.
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