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Title: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Sleazy on July 31, 2006, 07:58:46 AM
How did Matt and Tre know? (http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up")
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on July 31, 2006, 11:37:59 AM
They saw the passion, and like anybody with a brain, knew that people who put on passion plays/ make passion movies are anti-semetic. The whole world just wanted to believe it wasn't. Now they know. Good bless CRaZy MeL GiBSoN!
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Duffy on July 31, 2006, 01:19:07 PM
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/07/gibson_abc_0731_275.jpg)
best pull quote from an interview, EVER.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 02, 2006, 03:03:07 AM
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/07/gibson_abc_0731_275.jpg)
best pull quote from an interview, EVER.

IN the pic his mouth says "I used to drive inebriated," but his face says "I wonder if the guy interviewing me is a jew. They start all the wars."
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: hair_this_raw on August 02, 2006, 06:08:29 AM
the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified.  most christians don't blame the jews for killing jesus since jesus was a jew and so were his followers and it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.  mel just seemed more suspect because his father stated that he did not think the holocaust ever happened around the same time the passion came out.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: The Laps of Alps. on August 02, 2006, 06:21:20 AM
this dudes career is done anyways now. prepare for animated and/or live action childrens movies..
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Post by: donnie_murdo on August 02, 2006, 06:55:00 AM
this dudes career is done anyways now. prepare for animated and/or live action childrens movies..

All he has to do is move out of America, seriosuly i don't think a lot of people outside America really give a shit what he said when he was drunk.

If people held what i said when i was drunk againist me i'd have been totally fucked years ago
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Sleazy on August 02, 2006, 07:13:22 AM
the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified.  most christians don't blame the jews for killing jesus since jesus was a jew and so were his followers and it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.  mel just seemed more suspect because his father stated that he did not think the holocaust ever happened around the same time the passion came out.

That's a hard case to argue now, don't you think?

Mel's obviously got some issues with the Jewish people.

Did anyone else know that some Jewish people get offended by the term Jewish people because it implies that Jew is a race? I worked for a Jewish guy one time and got vibed because I said that. I try to be respectful but had no idea and it seemed like a weird thing to get worked up about to me at the time.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: donnie_murdo on August 02, 2006, 07:24:10 AM
Can you blame the son for the sins of his father ?
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: JohnC on August 02, 2006, 07:49:36 AM
All he has to do is move out of America, seriosuly i don't think a lot of people outside America really give a shit what he said when he was drunk.

If people held what i said when i was drunk againist me i'd have been totally fucked years ago

amen
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Alan on August 02, 2006, 09:29:52 AM
it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.

Where did you read that?
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Lakai or die on August 02, 2006, 10:49:11 AM
In the end, there is only one moral to this whole story.

Gibson's fucked.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: The Laps of Alps. on August 02, 2006, 11:39:19 AM
no lethal weapon 4?

Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Hot Rod on August 02, 2006, 11:47:58 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122151/

Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Guile on August 02, 2006, 11:53:22 AM
riggs! thanks to mel gibson i have tried eating milk bones before
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: fuckingvegan on August 02, 2006, 12:58:38 PM
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the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified.  most christians don't blame the jews for killing jesus since jesus was a jew and so were his followers and it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.  mel just seemed more suspect because his father stated that he did not think the holocaust ever happened around the same time the passion came out.
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That's a hard case to argue now, don't you think?

Mel's obviously got some issues with the Jewish people.

Did anyone else know that some Jewish people get offended by the term Jewish people because it implies that Jew is a race? I worked for a Jewish guy one time and got vibed because I said that. I try to be respectful but had no idea and it seemed like a weird thing to get worked up about to me at the time.

Some are a race and some are converts, at least that is what I have been told from people when asked.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: fuckingvegan on August 02, 2006, 12:59:26 PM
mel just seemed more suspect because his father stated that he did not think the holocaust ever happened around the same time the passion came out.

His dad is a well know racist, so I think it is a little deeper then being dumb enough to doubt the holocaust.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: big sexy on August 02, 2006, 01:16:53 PM
who gives? mel gibson was so good in "what women want" thats all that really matters
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: E.l.G on August 02, 2006, 01:39:37 PM
You are not funny.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: CUDDLEMONSTER on August 02, 2006, 01:57:43 PM
look dude, i'm just saying the fuhrer wasn't all bad. i mean he fucking designed the best selling car of all time and built the autobahn. not to mention gave a purpose to an entire generation.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: big sexy on August 02, 2006, 01:58:40 PM
FUCKIN NAZI
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: p5 on August 02, 2006, 02:19:52 PM
look dude, i'm just saying the fuhrer wasn't all bad. i mean he fucking designed the best selling car of all time and built the autobahn. not to mention gave a purpose to an entire generation.

I think in the 1930's University of Washington had a buidling dedicated to him for his turning Germany around. But just think, if he would have been accepted to that Vienna art school, people could still name their kids "Adolf" in Germany.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: donnie_murdo on August 02, 2006, 02:33:59 PM
look dude, i'm just saying the fuhrer wasn't all bad. i mean he fucking designed the best selling car of all time and built the autobahn. not to mention gave a purpose to an entire generation.

You can't fault his economic reforms he dug the nation out of a bad place, sorted them out, got them back on there feet, and just when they thought he couldn't do any wrong. . .
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: fuckingvegan on August 02, 2006, 07:00:26 PM
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look dude, i'm just saying the fuhrer wasn't all bad. i mean he fucking designed the best selling car of all time and built the autobahn. not to mention gave a purpose to an entire generation.
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You can't fault his economic reforms he dug the nation out of a bad place, sorted them out, got them back on there feet, and just when they thought he couldn't do any wrong. . .

Don't forget the fake "terrorist" attack so that he could take away all of their freedoms, sort of like 9 11 in the USA.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: biggums mcgee on August 02, 2006, 07:02:03 PM
gibson asking his arresting officer if he was a jew was pretty ludacris
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: big sexy on August 02, 2006, 09:44:12 PM
who gives yo gibson was the man in every movie hes ever been in
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: CUDDLEMONSTER on August 02, 2006, 10:48:21 PM
look dude, i'm just saying the fuhrer wasn't all bad. i mean he fucking designed the best selling car of all time and built the autobahn. not to mention gave a purpose to an entire generation.

i was kidding you rascist pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: hair_this_raw on August 02, 2006, 11:06:16 PM
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look dude, i'm just saying the fuhrer wasn't all bad. i mean he fucking designed the best selling car of all time and built the autobahn. not to mention gave a purpose to an entire generation.
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You can't fault his economic reforms he dug the nation out of a bad place, sorted them out, got them back on there feet, and just when they thought he couldn't do any wrong. . .
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Don't forget the fake "terrorist" attack so that he could take away all of their freedoms, sort of like 9 11 in the USA.


more like star wars episode 2 and 3
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: hair_this_raw on August 02, 2006, 11:09:02 PM
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it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.
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Where did you read that?


in a book written by a rabbi explaining judaism to christian folk,  the split happened because christians didn't want to associate themselves with the jews who were not on top of the roman's list of favorites.  oh, and the christians preferred sunday to the jew's saturday in terms of worship
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: whatnot on August 03, 2006, 12:51:48 AM
Watching all these going on in between Lebanon and Israel,

I've found Spielberg's Schindler's list pretty biased.

Though I've never known jews personally,

somehow I reckon United States, as financially operated

by some jewish people, is the ultimate evil axis on the planet

for now.

Late?
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Alan on August 03, 2006, 01:44:55 AM
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it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.
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Where did you read that?
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in a book written by a rabbi explaining judaism to christian folk, the split happened because christians didn't want to associate themselves with the jews who were not on top of the roman's list of favorites. oh, and the christians preferred sunday to the jew's saturday in terms of worship

 That sounds pretty bogus since by that time Christianity had already spread through much of eastern Mediterranean as a distinct religion, albeit not the most popular one.
How bout the name of the book and the author?
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Sleazy on August 03, 2006, 05:00:13 AM
Watching all these going on in between Lebanon and Israel,

I've found Spielberg's Schindler's list pretty biased.

Though I've never known jews personally,

somehow I reckon United States, as financially operated

by some jewish people, is the ultimate evil axis on the planet

for now.

Late?

Evil? Greedy Imperialist Assholes is more like it. Evil would be if we were lining people up to go into concentration camps. Bullshit wars over politics, that's every nation who has had real power.

Another thing to keep in mind is how close the last election was. Were only 1/2 bad.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: monster network on August 03, 2006, 07:50:15 AM
a slap thread about jews without jesse...slap is over
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Alan on August 03, 2006, 08:09:38 AM
Shit, Whatnot, you're regular.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: donnie_murdo on August 03, 2006, 08:12:05 AM
a slap thread about jews without jesse...slap is over

I think Slap's been over for about the last month and a half, thank fuck my body's finally better so i don't have to spend anymore time going brian dead on the internet and can actually go skating
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: krapnek on August 03, 2006, 08:48:14 AM
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it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.
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Where did you read that?
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in a book written by a rabbi explaining judaism to christian folk, the split happened because christians didn't want to associate themselves with the jews who were not on top of the roman's list of favorites. oh, and the christians preferred sunday to the jew's saturday in terms of worship
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 That sounds pretty bogus since by that time Christianity had already spread through much of eastern Mediterranean as a distinct religion, albeit not the most popular one.
How bout the name of the book and the author?


yeah, that sounds like a partial explanation of the origins of antsemitism.  but, the religions were certainly distinct by then.  though not canonized as we know them now, the majority of the gospels available to converts made it clear that jesus rejected the traditional understanding of the mosaic code, and the the rabbis would not have accepted those teachings in the temples.  you know, that little bit about drinking blood, and eating flesh; not exactly kosher.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: krapnek on August 03, 2006, 09:03:52 AM
Watching all these going on in between Lebanon and Israel,

I've found Spielberg's Schindler's list pretty biased.

Though I've never known jews personally,

somehow I reckon United States, as financially operated

by some jewish people, is the ultimate evil axis on the planet

for now.

Late?
how is the united states financially operated  by some jewish people?  do you mean there are jews in banking here, and that their influence in that industry is so strong that it directs american foreign policy?  or, do you mean there are jews within the american goverment who control the finances of the government and the entire country?  have you considered the possibility that the entire elite power structure of the world is in fact controled by reptoids?  that george w. bush, the queen of england, the rothchild's, and michael jackson are actually shapeshifting lizards who manipulate the appearance of reality such that the average man believes that the world is made up of states pursuing distinct interests and competing for any number of forms of power?  have you cosnidered that these reptoids are actually highly evolved jews?  think about it, it just makes sense.  where else do they get those noses?
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Alan on August 03, 2006, 09:36:53 AM

yeah, that sounds like a partial explanation of the origins of antsemitism.

One, if not the most important, source of anti-semitism was the fact that in Rome work and trade were considered unworthy of a regular Roman and usually reserved for slaves, clients (poor people who worked for wealthier Romans for a small payement in food and later money) or non-Romans (Syrians, Jews, etc.). This conception of work continued into the early middle ages and along with it contempt for Jews who traded and accumulated wealth, hence antisemitism.
So, if it weren't shameful and sad, it would be funny to see that the reasons (no matter how pointless and stupid to anyone with half a brain) for which Jews are hated exist only because of Europeans, not the Jews.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: krapnek on August 03, 2006, 10:30:04 AM
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yeah, that sounds like a partial explanation of the origins of antsemitism.
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One, if not the most important, source of anti-semitism was the fact that in Rome work and trade were considered unworthy of a regular Roman and usually reserved for slaves, clients (poor people who worked for wealthier Romans for a small payement in food and later money) or non-Romans (Syrians, Jews, etc.). This conception of work continued into the early middle ages and along with it contempt for Jews who traded and accumulated wealth, hence antisemitism.
So, if it weren't shameful and sad, it would be funny to see that the reasons (no matter how pointless and stupid to anyone with half a brain) for which Jews are hated exist only because of Europeans, not the Jews.

that, coupled with the christian contempt for lending at interest, and that pesky albatross of being blamed with  the death of christ, made it tough going. 

what astounds me is how prominent anti-semitism is today:  from the conspiracy theories i made light of in my post responding to that idiot above, to the widely accepted axiom that israel is the source of all middle eastern conflict, or as mel gibson said, all wars.

it just never stops.   people are stupid.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Guile on August 03, 2006, 10:33:33 AM
what the fuck is a jew.....?
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Alan on August 03, 2006, 10:33:43 AM
Oh yeah, modern banking was invented/introduced to Europe by a certain christian order - *drum roll* - namely the Templars.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: JohnC on August 03, 2006, 11:44:51 AM
i agree with big sexy on one thing...what women want is a classic film.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 03, 2006, 12:58:08 PM
Watching all these going on in between Lebanon and Israel,

I've found Spielberg's Schindler's list pretty biased.

Though I've never known jews personally,

somehow I reckon United States, as financially operated

by some jewish people, is the ultimate evil axis on the planet

for now.

Late?
I think that you have proven yourself to be a totally ignorant bigot with that quote. So you've never even met a jewish person  yet you know about all of their conspiracies. Hmmmm. You don't know shit. I have explained the origin of the "jewish bankers run the world" myth before, and I don't feel like doing it again. Basically you are a redneck backwoods hick who doesn't know shit about shit. As for other sources of anti-semitism, its mostly just the church. Which brings up a point, how can people say that the jewish religion, which is entirely decentralized (there is no central governing body that says who or what makes one jewish, it is all based on the local rabbi) is some sort of conspiracy of people trying to run the world. What about the catholics? Anybody ever heard of the pope? The Vatican doesn't even hide its power-hungry ambitions, yet nobody has ever talked about their conspiracies to run the world, despite having a major history of trying to do just that. But somehow the jews are the power hungry assholes who run the world? The president of the united states subscribes to a catholic belief that dinosaurs and people lived side by side (aka creationism) despite logical, empirical evidence against it. Which brings up some major roots of anti-semitism. The Church. IN the passion episode of southpark theyu go over the origin of passion plays, the bible doesn't focus on the death of jesus, not one of the gospels does. Despite being a jew, I have read all of them (I had to know what all these right wing nuts were raving about.) Passion plays started in the middle ages to incense people against the jews. If you know about that time period, you also know that this was a period when the church was mostly just a power hungry empire basically. They fought the crusades, they owned land, they pissed enough people off that there were several churchs that reformed (protestant.) Not only was the church power hungry, they were also scared about people not listening to them, the only power they had over people was through religious feear. Granted, they had huge armies, but nobody would have been part of them if it weren't for their fear of god, it was that fear that gave the chruch power. Jews aren't scared of the second coming of Jesus. Not one bit. Jesus is a myth that christians believe in, and is not part of the jewish religion. So the Church wanted to come up with ways to keep them in order. They couldn't kill them off, as they needed them for money purposes, as money lending wasn't a sin in judiasm at the time, the way it isn't a sin in christianity now. So they came up with myths, such as the "Jews killed jesus" myth. The Romans did it. Jesus was a rebel and a revolutionary, causing a lot of shit. He wasn't one of a kind though, these messianic rebels were a dime a dozen back then, and they consistently met their death on the cross.  So yeah, the jewish bankers controlling America or the world? Just a myth created by the power-hungry church in order to make people fear a major group that they had no control over. You, whatnot, bought into it, and you are not only stupid for this, but irresponsible for spreading it.

Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: L.S on August 03, 2006, 01:01:53 PM
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a slap thread about jews without jesse...slap is over
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I think Slap's been over for about the last month and a half

month and a half? nigga please.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: donnie_murdo on August 03, 2006, 01:33:18 PM
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a slap thread about jews without jesse...slap is over
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I think Slap's been over for about the last month and a half
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month and a half? nigga please.

Ok i'll up that to turned into the new Transworld boards
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: E.l.G on August 03, 2006, 01:47:53 PM
It's been over for a long, long time.
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Post by: hair_this_raw on August 03, 2006, 04:01:06 PM
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it wasn't til about 300 years after jesus' death that there was any real distinction between jews and christians.
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in a book written by a rabbi explaining judaism to christian folk, the split happened because christians didn't want to associate themselves with the jews who were not on top of the roman's list of favorites. oh, and the christians preferred sunday to the jew's saturday in terms of worship
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 That sounds pretty bogus since by that time Christianity had already spread through much of eastern Mediterranean as a distinct religion, albeit not the most popular one.
How bout the name of the book and the author?






i take back the rabbi comment, that specific book was not written by a rabbi.  It's called "Israel and the Church" by James Doukhan, who is a Christian appealing to other Christians to return to and connect with their Jewish roots.  According to him "Historians have indeed established that the fourth century marks the beginning of the 'oldest hatred of human history'" when the church later'd the synagogue.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Blaise on August 04, 2006, 11:22:28 AM
IN the passion episode of southpark theyu go over the origin of passion plays, the bible doesn't focus on the death of jesus, not one of the gospels does.

Southpark as a history source?  Ok.  Yeah, you could say in a sense the Gospels don't focus on the death of Jesus.  But regardless of why passion plays originated, they are still telling a story from within the Gospels (and it is not a minor part of the Gospels).  Even if some people have had anti-semitic reasons for doing passion plays, that doesn't make the story itself anti-semitic.
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 04, 2006, 12:11:06 PM
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IN the passion episode of southpark theyu go over the origin of passion plays, the bible doesn't focus on the death of jesus, not one of the gospels does.
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Southpark as a history source?  Ok.  Yeah, you could say in a sense the Gospels don't focus on the death of Jesus.  But regardless of why passion plays originated, they are still telling a story from within the Gospels (and it is not a minor part of the Gospels).  Even if some people have had anti-semitic reasons for doing passion plays, that doesn't make the story itself anti-semitic.
You are an idiot. First of all, I don't use south park as a historical source, I'm just saying that they happened to word it well. Not in a sense, the gospels just don't, and they certainly don't put the responsibility on the jewish people the way passion plays did. In fact, if you read the bible, the people Jesus seems to blame most, even before it happens, is his own followers, who he correctly predicted would foresake him. Passion plays came out during a time when the church was power hungry and wanted to have power over even those who weren't scared of the hellfire they threatened. THEY WERE CREATED FOR ANTI-SEMETIC PURPOSES. The church couldn't control jews by scaring them with religion, so they made passion plays specifically for the purpose of riling people up against them. Its a fact. A lot of people, like Mel Gibson, like to pretend it/they aren't anti-semetic, but their just pretending. They may be telling a story from the Gospels, but they aren't doing it accurately.
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Post by: krapnek on August 04, 2006, 12:46:08 PM
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IN the passion episode of southpark theyu go over the origin of passion plays, the bible doesn't focus on the death of jesus, not one of the gospels does.
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Southpark as a history source?  Ok.  Yeah, you could say in a sense the Gospels don't focus on the death of Jesus.  But regardless of why passion plays originated, they are still telling a story from within the Gospels (and it is not a minor part of the Gospels).  Even if some people have had anti-semitic reasons for doing passion plays, that doesn't make the story itself anti-semitic.
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You are an idiot. First of all, I don't use south park as a historical source, I'm just saying that they happened to word it well. Not in a sense, the gospels just don't, and they certainly don't put the responsibility on the jewish people the way passion plays did. In fact, if you read the bible, the people Jesus seems to blame most, even before it happens, is his own followers, who he correctly predicted would foresake him. Passion plays came out during a time when the church was power hungry and wanted to have power over even those who weren't scared of the hellfire they threatened. THEY WERE CREATED FOR ANTI-SEMETIC PURPOSES. The church couldn't control jews by scaring them with religion, so they made passion plays specifically for the purpose of riling people up against them. Its a fact. A lot of people, like Mel Gibson, like to pretend it/they aren't anti-semetic, but their just pretending. They may be telling a story from the Gospels, but they aren't doing it accurately.

there is a little more nuance to this.  there is plenty of animus towards the jews to be found in the gospels, particularly in john where they are presented as direct conspirators in the crusifixion.  and, as it happens, that gospel has been privied by christians, catholic and protestant. 
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Post by: big sexy on August 04, 2006, 01:07:10 PM
AHAH this topic went from mel gibsons drunken @$$ to some serious debate thats way over my head. lame
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 04, 2006, 01:14:29 PM
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IN the passion episode of southpark theyu go over the origin of passion plays, the bible doesn't focus on the death of jesus, not one of the gospels does.
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Southpark as a history source?  Ok.  Yeah, you could say in a sense the Gospels don't focus on the death of Jesus.  But regardless of why passion plays originated, they are still telling a story from within the Gospels (and it is not a minor part of the Gospels).  Even if some people have had anti-semitic reasons for doing passion plays, that doesn't make the story itself anti-semitic.
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You are an idiot. First of all, I don't use south park as a historical source, I'm just saying that they happened to word it well. Not in a sense, the gospels just don't, and they certainly don't put the responsibility on the jewish people the way passion plays did. In fact, if you read the bible, the people Jesus seems to blame most, even before it happens, is his own followers, who he correctly predicted would foresake him. Passion plays came out during a time when the church was power hungry and wanted to have power over even those who weren't scared of the hellfire they threatened. THEY WERE CREATED FOR ANTI-SEMETIC PURPOSES. The church couldn't control jews by scaring them with religion, so they made passion plays specifically for the purpose of riling people up against them. Its a fact. A lot of people, like Mel Gibson, like to pretend it/they aren't anti-semetic, but their just pretending. They may be telling a story from the Gospels, but they aren't doing it accurately.
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there is a little more nuance to this.  there is plenty of animus towards the jews to be found in the gospels, particularly in john where they are presented as direct conspirators in the crusifixion.  and, as it happens, that gospel has been privied by christians, catholic and protestant. 
There certainly was animosity towards the jews in the gospels. Jesus rebelled against the temple. He spoke out against its corruption and its short comings, and directly faced up to them. In the gospels, it is presented as the temple, not really the jewish people, that "conspires" against Jesus. But then again, the animosity against the jews is not really focused on the death of Jesus, but as the corrupt religious leaders who had lost their way. There is animosity towards all of humanity pretty much for his death.  But passion plays do things like whitewash the role of Pilot, and also omits the fact that the real message is that all of humanity, ESPECIALLY his closest followers, forsaked him, and allowed him to die. But that is the point of the passion play, to de-emphasize the other aspects of his death and simply blame the jews.
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Post by: Sleazy on August 04, 2006, 04:15:20 PM
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IN the passion episode of southpark theyu go over the origin of passion plays, the bible doesn't focus on the death of jesus, not one of the gospels does.
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Southpark as a history source?  Ok.  Yeah, you could say in a sense the Gospels don't focus on the death of Jesus.  But regardless of why passion plays originated, they are still telling a story from within the Gospels (and it is not a minor part of the Gospels).  Even if some people have had anti-semitic reasons for doing passion plays, that doesn't make the story itself anti-semitic.

I think South Park does some of the best social commentary out there. There are not liberal not conservative, they call it like it is. Anyone see the war episode with the peace loving pussy and war hungry country fans?
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Post by: hair_this_raw on August 05, 2006, 04:51:50 AM
true, but i feel that they are the victim of what they mocked San Franciscans for doing: loving the smell of their own farts. 
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Post by: Sleazy on August 06, 2006, 02:41:13 AM
How do they come across as smug? You mean in their work or in their interviews?
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Post by: hair_this_raw on August 07, 2006, 04:52:52 AM
just in like it comes across that they feel that everyone are dumb bitches but them.  i still laugh when they mock people, but i like it better when the simpsons make fun of people just because they mock themselves while they are at it too. 
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Post by: Ban NASCAR on August 07, 2006, 11:10:27 AM
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term Jewish people because it implies that Jew is a race?

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the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified. Jesus was a jew.

Truth.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 07, 2006, 11:19:49 AM
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the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified. Jesus was a jew.
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Truth.

The passion plays where made up by a well know anti semite nun in Germany.
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 07, 2006, 02:24:40 PM
vegan, I think that no matter how much evidence you have that passion plays are anti-semetic, people still will ignore the obvious. Intresting to know though.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 07, 2006, 02:32:04 PM
vegan, I think that no matter how much evidence you have that passion plays are anti-semetic, people still will ignore the obvious. Intresting to know though.

true
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Post by: coryfour on August 07, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
according to the Bible, sin killed Jesus.  The Jews just help build the express lane.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 07, 2006, 09:20:45 PM
according to the Bible, sin killed Jesus.  The Jews just help build the express lane.

Fuck you
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Post by: SLANGIN_ROCKS on August 07, 2006, 10:10:15 PM
fuck God
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Post by: coryfour on August 07, 2006, 10:31:44 PM
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according to the Bible, sin killed Jesus.  The Jews just help build the express lane.
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Fuck you

Thanks.
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Post by: E.l.G on August 08, 2006, 12:44:55 AM
Man you are all kinds of regular.
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Post by: SLANGIN_ROCKS on August 08, 2006, 12:49:55 AM
if you're talking about coreyfours then i agree, just read through some of his posts and they were thoroughly embarrassing. if you're talking about me then D:
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Post by: Ban NASCAR on August 08, 2006, 06:41:34 AM
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the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified. Jesus was a jew.
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Truth.
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The passion plays where made up by a well know anti semite nun in Germany.

I thought he was refering to Mel's movie. I really don't know anything abot the plays.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 08, 2006, 06:53:45 AM
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the passion has nothin to do with anti-semitism, blaming the jews for killing jesus is completely different than jesus being crucified. Jesus was a jew.
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Truth.
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The passion plays where made up by a well know anti semite nun in Germany.
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I thought he was refering to Mel's movie. I really don't know anything abot the plays.

Mel's movie was based on those plays, and he has proved himself to be an anti semite.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 08, 2006, 06:53:57 AM
Man you are all kinds of regular.

Who me?
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Post by: dalycitymassive on August 08, 2006, 12:56:04 PM
uhh
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Post by: E.l.G on August 08, 2006, 04:19:12 PM
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Man you are all kinds of regular.
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Who me?

CoreyFours.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Blaise on August 08, 2006, 04:51:09 PM
You are an idiot. First of all, I don't use south park as a historical source, I'm just saying that they happened to word it well. Not in a sense, the gospels just don't, and they certainly don't put the responsibility on the jewish people the way passion plays did. In fact, if you read the bible, the people Jesus seems to blame most, even before it happens, is his own followers, who he correctly predicted would foresake him. Passion plays came out during a time when the church was power hungry and wanted to have power over even those who weren't scared of the hellfire they threatened. THEY WERE CREATED FOR ANTI-SEMETIC PURPOSES. The church couldn't control jews by scaring them with religion, so they made passion plays specifically for the purpose of riling people up against them. Its a fact. A lot of people, like Mel Gibson, like to pretend it/they aren't anti-semetic, but their just pretending. They may be telling a story from the Gospels, but they aren't doing it accurately.

Where exactly is Gibson's movie clearly inaccurate in an anti-semetic way compared to the same story in the Gospels?
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 08, 2006, 04:52:51 PM
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You are an idiot. First of all, I don't use south park as a historical source, I'm just saying that they happened to word it well. Not in a sense, the gospels just don't, and they certainly don't put the responsibility on the jewish people the way passion plays did. In fact, if you read the bible, the people Jesus seems to blame most, even before it happens, is his own followers, who he correctly predicted would foresake him. Passion plays came out during a time when the church was power hungry and wanted to have power over even those who weren't scared of the hellfire they threatened. THEY WERE CREATED FOR ANTI-SEMETIC PURPOSES. The church couldn't control jews by scaring them with religion, so they made passion plays specifically for the purpose of riling people up against them. Its a fact. A lot of people, like Mel Gibson, like to pretend it/they aren't anti-semetic, but their just pretending. They may be telling a story from the Gospels, but they aren't doing it accurately.
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Where exactly is Gibson's movie clearly inaccurate in an anti-semetic way compared to the same story in the Gospels?

Having not seen it I will only go with what others have told me, but the ghosts included in the movie where not in the bible. And it is a well know fact that the passion plays where anti semietic, that was one of their main purposes.
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Post by: Blaise on August 08, 2006, 05:17:55 PM
Having not seen it I will only go with what others have told me, but the ghosts included in the movie where not in the bible. And it is a well know fact that the passion plays where anti semietic, that was one of their main purposes.

I know that there are things in the movie that are not in the Gospels.  But I'm looking for additions which are clearly anti-semetic.
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Post by: hesh_trash on August 08, 2006, 05:23:50 PM
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Having not seen it I will only go with what others have told me, but the ghosts included in the movie where not in the bible. And it is a well know fact that the passion plays where anti semietic, that was one of their main purposes.
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I know that there are things in the movie that are not in the Gospels.  But I'm looking for additions which are clearly anti-semetic.
I saw the movie with school when it came out but I can't remember, is that "his blood be on us and our children" line in there? I know that was in the gospel but can't remember if it was in the movie or not I think I read somewhere it is yelled out in Aramaic or whatever but not subtitled?
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Post by: Blaise on August 08, 2006, 06:27:04 PM
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I saw the movie with school when it came out but I can't remember, is that "his blood be on us and our children" line in there? I know that was in the gospel but can't remember if it was in the movie or not I think I read somewhere it is yelled out in Aramaic or whatever but not subtitled?
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Hmm, I'm not sure.  If it was in Aramaic and not subtitled, I probably missed it.
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Post by: Alan on August 09, 2006, 04:37:32 AM
You saw The Passion with school? WTF?
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Post by: Hot Rod on August 09, 2006, 07:06:01 AM
I did too, for a film history class.
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Post by: The Laps of Alps. on August 09, 2006, 07:44:42 AM
that movie seemed at least somewhat historically responsible until the last 1/4 of the movie. then the devil appears and all that. i drank a 40 of OE in the theatre with my homies while watching it though, so i dont remember it the best.

anyone read The Master & Margarita by Bulgakov? that book is fucking amazing.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 09, 2006, 10:52:13 AM


anyone read The Master & Margarita by Bulgakov? that book is fucking amazing.

Great book
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Post by: the iron monkey on August 09, 2006, 03:34:29 PM
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anyone read The Master & Margarita by Bulgakov? that book is fucking amazing.
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Great book

good book, inspired jagger to write sympathy for the devil.
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Post by: Alan on August 10, 2006, 04:14:42 AM
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anyone read The Master & Margarita by Bulgakov? that book is fucking amazing.
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Great book


One of the best books ever.
Title: Re: Passion of the Jew
Post by: Self-Educated on August 10, 2006, 11:31:02 AM
Jesus was a jew, Mel. Mel's dad is also a crazy ass Nazi, or some sort of serious racist as well. Jesus was also black.
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Post by: Ban NASCAR on August 10, 2006, 12:40:30 PM
Jesus was also black.


Could you elaborate on that one?
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Post by: isaac on August 10, 2006, 12:47:11 PM
look where he supposedly came from, see many white peole there? he was of dark complexsion and resembled what we would today call an arab.

if therre ever was a Jesus, he's probibly having one hell of a good laugh at what people are doing in his name.
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Post by: uruguay on August 10, 2006, 12:59:53 PM
jesus was an alien, stupid.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 10, 2006, 01:17:25 PM
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Jesus was also black.
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Could you elaborate on that one?

It says in the bible he had wollen hair and ashen (sp?) feet, which is normal of people of African decent.
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Post by: uruguay on August 10, 2006, 01:24:51 PM
also said he was born in the middle east, very very common of people of middle eastern descent.  hmm.
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Post by: donnie_murdo on August 10, 2006, 01:29:34 PM
OH SHIT YOU MEAN THAT JC WASN'T WHITE AND MIDDLE CLASS ? ?  ?
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Post by: E.l.G on August 10, 2006, 06:08:50 PM
Jesus was from Texas alright! END OF STORY!
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Post by: Ban NASCAR on August 10, 2006, 08:34:24 PM
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Could you elaborate on that one?
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It says in the bible he had wollen hair and ashen (sp?) feet, which is normal of people of African decent.

 Jesus was Jewish, with a middle eastern appearance.  When Jesus was taken by the Temple guards He was kissed by Judas to signify who He was compared to His disciples, meaning he was indistinguishable from His Jewish followers, not white or black.  The woolen hair thing is a misconception. The Bible describes Jesus' hair as being white like wool (Rev. 1:14), using the color of wool as the quality being described, not the texture. And I'm sure that most people's feet were ashen back then, with walking with the sandals as the main mode of transportation and all.
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Post by: fuckingvegan on August 10, 2006, 09:13:38 PM
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It says in the bible he had wollen hair and ashen (sp?) feet, which is normal of people of African decent.
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 Jesus was Jewish, with a middle eastern appearance.  When Jesus was taken by the Temple guards He was kissed by Judas to signify who He was compared to His disciples, meaning he was indistinguishable from His Jewish followers, not white or black.  The woolen hair thing is a misconception. The Bible describes Jesus' hair as being white like wool (Rev. 1:14), using the color of wool as the quality being described, not the texture. And I'm sure that most people's feet were ashen back then, with walking with the sandals as the main mode of transportation and all.

Well we all agree he wasn't a blue eyed blonde though.
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Post by: Ban NASCAR on August 10, 2006, 10:00:35 PM
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Could you elaborate on that one?
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It says in the bible he had wollen hair and ashen (sp?) feet, which is normal of people of African decent.
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 Jesus was Jewish, with a middle eastern appearance.  When Jesus was taken by the Temple guards He was kissed by Judas to signify who He was compared to His disciples, meaning he was indistinguishable from His Jewish followers, not white or black.  The woolen hair thing is a misconception. The Bible describes Jesus' hair as being white like wool (Rev. 1:14), using the color of wool as the quality being described, not the texture. And I'm sure that most people's feet were ashen back then, with walking with the sandals as the main mode of transportation and all.
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Well we all agree he wasn't a blue eyed blonde though.

yup
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Post by: The Laps of Alps. on August 11, 2006, 08:25:28 AM
jesus was so black he was purple.
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Post by: donnie_murdo on August 11, 2006, 09:45:13 AM
jesus was so black he was purple.

Actually it's a little know fact, he's from Aberdeen, like all things good, he was born and raised in the North East of Scotland, where he worked in his family business of joinery, some of the work he did can still be seen in the Historic buildings of the Upper Kirkgate and Marshiall Collage buildings, before leaving Aberdeen to explore possible buniess oppertunitiies over seas, he struck apon the idea importing fish and wines from over seas and selling them locally and obviously further afield, his feet became "ashen black" due to poor transport and having to walk long distances with sandels, trade at this point began to worry Jesus as he wondered if this new business venture of fish/wines importing might work, this in turn had and effect on Jesus's hair turning it white - once he had established a company in the far east he and his company's board of directors began trading.

This however came to an end when he was caught out on tax duties or import/exporting due to bad advice from a member of the board a "Judas" the local athorities arrested and imprisoned him, all company asset we seized and he was put on trial for evasion of income tax and non-paid duties

Things then turned bad for him. . .

It's another little known fact his name was actually Jesse McChristie, due to the local dialect he truned to "Jesus Christ" as a name people would understand

It's all in Wikipeidia i swear
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Post by: uruguay on August 11, 2006, 01:04:14 PM
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It says in the bible he had wollen hair and ashen (sp?) feet, which is normal of people of African decent.
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 Jesus was Jewish, with a middle eastern appearance.  When Jesus was taken by the Temple guards He was kissed by Judas to signify who He was compared to His disciples, meaning he was indistinguishable from His Jewish followers, not white or black.  The woolen hair thing is a misconception. The Bible describes Jesus' hair as being white like wool (Rev. 1:14), using the color of wool as the quality being described, not the texture. And I'm sure that most people's feet were ashen back then, with walking with the sandals as the main mode of transportation and all.
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Well we all agree he wasn't a blue eyed blonde though.
glad you could come to that totally irrelevant conclusion.
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Post by: hair_this_raw on August 12, 2006, 12:20:22 AM
and his are the footsteps on the beach during those hard times
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Post by: frizz on August 12, 2006, 02:44:55 AM
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It says in the bible he had wollen hair and ashen (sp?) feet, which is normal of people of African decent.
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 Jesus was Jewish, with a middle eastern appearance.  When Jesus was taken by the Temple guards He was kissed by Judas to signify who He was compared to His disciples, meaning he was indistinguishable from His Jewish followers, not white or black.  The woolen hair thing is a misconception. The Bible describes Jesus' hair as being white like wool (Rev. 1:14), using the color of wool as the quality being described, not the texture. And I'm sure that most people's feet were ashen back then, with walking with the sandals as the main mode of transportation and all.
god damn am i glad you cleared that up.
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 12, 2006, 03:51:47 AM
and his are the footsteps on the beach during those hard times
according to David Cross the single pair of footsteps is when god was helpiung one of the other  6 billion people on the planet. You stubbed your toe on some drift wood on the way back to your malibu beach home? boo-fucking hoo!
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Post by: hair_this_raw on August 12, 2006, 08:48:39 PM
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according to David Cross the single pair of footsteps is when god was helpiung one of the other  6 billion people on the planet. You stubbed your toe on some drift wood on the way back to your malibu beach home? boo-fucking hoo!

well i guess the terrorists have already won