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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: jpppppphoto on December 26, 2013, 04:35:21 PM
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me and my friends were i a debate on how they think that there are such things. can you guys finish the debate?
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no.
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Lots of old school dudes say there's no such thing. But they do exist. Unless you wanna call every degree of tweakage on a nosegrind all the way to a noseblunt just a nosegrind.
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I think so
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nope
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nope
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NO.
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I say YES. Idc about the old school guys and if u wanna dispute this lets play skate on the nike sb app and il put you to rest
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on transition it is undoubtedly just a nosegrind,
everything else I feel like it will just be a never ending pointless debate
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No.
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no
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZZBtxwxQLI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZZBtxwxQLI#)
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Lots of old school dudes say there's no such thing. But they do exist. Unless you wanna call every degree of tweakage on a nosegrind all the way to a noseblunt just a nosegrind.
Sounds reasonable to me.
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i usedta try em on ledges w/ no end like that and somehow we called them 'Losi' grinds. we were wrong and i was a fool for trying ugly nosegrind pop outs that maybe worked twice. julien did one in an old video so it seemed possible but now that lots of people can pop out i know it's easier as a nose manual than some crazy tweaked out, lipslide-y piece of shit. i still can't do em, just nosegrind ledges that end. caine gayle did one on a 10 stair that was so tweaked but big brother just called it a nosegrind so it must be.
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No such trick exists.
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just learned FS suski grinds on my element grind bar, filmed with gopro chest mount will post later
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my local skate grandpa claims that they only exist on rails, as you can actually tweak it "over" to the other side of the rail. Whether his ranking in the Skate Grandpa Wiener Smegma Federation makes him credible enough...who knows.
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Nein!
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man y'all niggas trippin. if theres backside overcrook then of course theres a frontside overcrook. a sloppy nosegrind and an intentional front overcrook are NOT the same thing. y'all gonna start calling feeble grinds on ledges 5050's now too?
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I can't believe you had the nerve to start such a fucking stupid thread
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THPS says yes. I don't know what skate says.
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ain't no such thing as front overcrooks
they never around when the beef cooks
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It depends on who you ask
I don't think it's important. As long as it looks sick I don't care what the fuck it's called
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If it's balanced on a ledge it's a nosegrind. If it's tweaked over and touching it's an overcrook.
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We're actually more excited to hear about you and your friends bumfuckery than the existence of a frontside overcrooks.....
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oh...
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When I first started skating I thought they existed because THPS told me so, but then every skater says they don't exist, so I just tend to call them all nosegrinds.
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try to a FS nosegrind on a rail without having it tweaked
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Colt Cannon in Circa Its time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81eU3iw2zb0#)
4:25
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Whoever thinks that there is such thing as an overcrook needs to post a link of someone nosegrinding a round rail then....
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I'd like to think that they could exist, but I can't be sure when the nosegrind stops and the overcrook begins.
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Colt Cannon in Circa Its time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81eU3iw2zb0#)
4:25
colt's the exception. everything else is null
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no
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So a crooked grind is basically a bs nosegrind then, right? Just going off the apparent logic here. If it's the front truck no matter what it's just a nosegrind.
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It's pretty flawed logic, never seen a straight nose grind, seen a million tweaked nose grinds yet there's no such thing as an front overcrook - it'd make more sense to argue the opposite. It's redundant, and probably only applies to round rails.
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I asked Santa for no more pointless threads.
I got a rock.
(http://i.imgur.com/meXTVVJ.jpg)
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In "anthology" MJ talks about going back with Channy so he can land his "backside noseblunt grind"
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rails, no
ledges, yes
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rails, no
ledges, yes
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I dontknow where the original theres no such thing as front overcrook statement came from but it really doesn't make sense. Yes Colt did a legit balanced nosegrind down a square rail but i just dont get how the bs overcrook exist but its not Ok to say Fs overcrook. They are the exact parallel counterpart to each other.
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Must use a protractor to provide precise proof of 60/120 degree angle to the rail or else it doesn't count.
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I dontknow where the original theres no such thing as front overcrook statement came from but it really doesn't make sense. Yes Colt did a legit balanced nosegrind down a square rail but i just dont get how the bs overcrook exist but its not Ok to say Fs overcrook. They are the exact parallel counterpart to each other.
This is skateboarding, not science. A similar illogical example: frontside 1/2 cab flips and backside nollie flips are the same trick, but different stances. On rails there are frontside nosegrinds and backside overcrooks. That's just the way things are.
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
Yes!!
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I asked Santa for no more pointless threads.
I got a rock.
(http://i.imgur.com/meXTVVJ.jpg)
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... julien did one in an old video so it seemed possible but now that lots of people can pop out i know it's easier as a nose manual than some crazy tweaked out, lipslide-y piece of shit...
Underworld Element video. My favorite nosegrind in the history of nosegrinds.
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
Yes!!
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People are really getting their knickers in a twist over this but i think that yes there is such a thing. I wouldn't want to state what degree would qualify this to be named as such but just to add a little fuel to the fire I'd say that Niel Blender's "new deal grind" and then the "newer deal grind" would be the precursor to this. I remember Alfonzo Rawls had one of the 2 in a sequence on Tony Hawks mini. If you don't think they exist that's cool.
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i want to say no, but the more I think about it a tweaked/overcrook nosegrind is definitely a different trick/approach from a fs nosegrind
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
...says the oblivious dude who lives in a right wing country that shifts more rightward every year.
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YES
On only one circumstance... if the ledge/hubba is doubled sided and you actaully ollie over to a crooked grind then it can be called a FS overcrook or (ollie over to crooked grind) on a rail or regular ledge no.
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People on both sides that feel so strongly about this are dumb. Final answer.
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great thread! SLAP does it again!
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It is not called a frontside overcrook because that name depreciates the difficulty of the trick, as the lock-in, which is essentially that of a backside crooked grind, is considerably easy. Instead it is called a fs nosegrind so that it is more distanced from the easier backside crooked grind.
On the flip side, calling a bs overcrook a bs nose grind undervalues the fact that it is locked in the same way as a frontside crooked grind, which is a notoriously difficult trick to lock into and balance.
It is the same reason noseblunts are called noseblunts, and not alley-oop noseslides. The logically inconsistent names serve to either mask the easiness or emphasize the difficulty of the more fundamental tricks that constitute fs nose grinds and bs over crooks.
This is how I see it, at least.
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In "anthology" MJ talks about going back with Channy so he can land his "backside noseblunt grind"
5 in the morning. 5 IN THE MORNING
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
...says the oblivious dude who lives in a right wing country that shifts more rightward every year.
Lol
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It is not called a frontside overcrook because that name depreciates the difficulty of the trick, as the lock-in, which is essentially that of a backside crooked grind, is considerably easy. Instead it is called a fs nosegrind so that it is more distanced from the easier backside crooked grind.
On the flip side, calling a bs overcrook a bs nose grind undervalues the fact that it is locked in the same way as a frontside crooked grind, which is a notoriously difficult trick to lock into and balance.
It is the same reason noseblunts are called noseblunts, and not alley-oop noseslides. The logically inconsistent names serve to either mask the easiness or emphasize the difficulty of the more fundamental tricks that constitute fs nose grinds and bs over crooks.
This is how I see it, at least.
I was going to say essentially the same thing. A frontside overcrook gets called a nosegrind because there is nothing special or difficult about lapping your board up at an angle frontside. Nobody in the entire world can nosegrind, but not "frontside overcrook," because they are similar enough and easy enough to make it sound the same. If you say "I can do frontside nosegrinds and frontside overcrooks" you will sound like an asshole. When I was a kid, "frontside overcrooks" were called snowplow nosegrinds and they were looked down upon on any kind of obstacle but a rail. To me, its like calling a mob kickflip a different trick than a proper flicked one. They both are essentially the same thing, one is just sloppy.
GERSH grinds actually take a different kind of skill, you are turning your body backwards, so you are suddenly going blind toward your landing, and the balance point is a bit more tricky to find.
People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
Interesting. We are also the people who skated before the x-games, THPS, the life of Ryan, jackass and street league were around. When we are gone, you are right, there will just be a bunch of lame kids that learned about skating from a fuckin' video game. The rebel/underground element (no pun intended) will be gone, and we will be left with kids who refer back to thps for trick names. Can't wait until "rowley darkslide" is a term
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
:-\ i thought it was funny...
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i reckon you can call them whatever you like
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There's no such thing as an overcrook, frontside or backside. They're just nosegrinds.
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I get negative rep for making a valid argument...ok there is no such thing as a fs overcrook. Equally so, there is no such thing as a bs overcrook, fs or bs crooked grinds, and salads and suskis are just five-0's. Or you can call it a different name because it looks different as a way to distinguish it. Koston does a kf overcrook in Yeah Right! Watch it, completely over the rail to the other side. So I say call it a different name. Or don't. Who gives a fuck. Call it a justin eldridge or a Dressen five-0 or a fakie big heel or a rick flip or what ever the fuck you want. /end thread.
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i reckon you can call them whatever you like
No, that makes too much sense, we must continue arguing like fucking idiots about this.
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It is not called a frontside overcrook because that name depreciates the difficulty of the trick, as the lock-in, which is essentially that of a backside crooked grind, is considerably easy. Instead it is called a fs nosegrind so that it is more distanced from the easier backside crooked grind.
On the flip side, calling a bs overcrook a bs nose grind undervalues the fact that it is locked in the same way as a frontside crooked grind, which is a notoriously difficult trick to lock into and balance.
It is the same reason noseblunts are called noseblunts, and not alley-oop noseslides. The logically inconsistent names serve to either mask the easiness or emphasize the difficulty of the more fundamental tricks that constitute fs nose grinds and bs over crooks.
This is how I see it, at least.
GERSH grinds actually take a different kind of skill, you are turning your body backwards, so you are suddenly going blind toward your landing, and the balance point is a bit more tricky to find.
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People who think bs overcrooks exist but not frontside ones are like republicans. Most of them are old and from a different era, and their archaic values will eventually dissipate.
/thread
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I remember in the sequence where Sean Malto does a trick that was captioned as "nollie overcrooks". I mean I wondered as I looked at the sequence, because even on a round rail, his board was very parrallel to the rail (maybe dipping a tiny bit of the tail over the rail), and saw the footy in Pretty Sweet, that just sealed it for me.
Backside nosegrinds dont exist on round rails, only overcrooks. Just like how frontside overcrooks dont exist period, so its just "nosegrind". Which on rails, if frontside, just "Nosegrind" will get the picture, whereas saying just "Overcrooks" and people understand that its backside.