Where is pat duffy here?You wouldn't be able to tell from the linked tweet, but it's probably something he retweeted.
Yeah my bad I thought it would show he retweeted it. I’m sure plenty of people were aware of this, but in the wake of the Jason Jesse takedown, I thought it would be appropriate to bring this up again.You wouldn't be able to tell from the linked tweet, but it's probably something he retweeted.Expand QuoteWhere is pat duffy here?[close]
It's a situation worth monitoring, but tweeting like the uncle you dread seeing on Thanksgiving won't get him kicked of his sponsors. He's yet to reach swastika-and-n word level.Yeah my bad I thought it would show he retweeted it. I’m sure plenty of people were aware of this, but in the wake of the Jason Jesse takedown, I thought it would be appropriate to bring this up again.Expand QuoteYou wouldn't be able to tell from the linked tweet, but it's probably something he retweeted.Expand QuoteWhere is pat duffy here?[close][close]
What are you going to get Duffy kicked off of? Macbeth shoes? His landscaping crew?I heard he's bro flow for Infowars supplements.
I think Slap has found its next target.
must be a thing with 40 years old skaters dressing like little kids,i know some of them and they treat the hat like is part of their body....really really weird cant leave home without using a damn hat and then are surprised they are actually bald hahaha
What are you going to get Duffy kicked off of? Macbeth shoes? His landscaping crew?He switched to Vux, and it recently went out of business.
I somehow found myself perusing through Pat Duffy’s Twitter feed today, and stumbled upon some pretty offensive content. I think Slap has found its next target.
https://mobile.twitter.com/pduffplanb?lang=en
don't meet your heroes
He switched to Vux, and it recently went out of business.Expand QuoteWhat are you going to get Duffy kicked off of? Macbeth shoes? His landscaping crew?[close]
(https://s22.postimg.cc/dabv7ilnh/889_E75_C7-_F62_A-4468-9_F79-9_BCFA53_DFC20.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dabv7ilnh/)
Meh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree withFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.
first of all, get the fuc outta hereYeah my bad I thought it would show he retweeted it. I’m sure plenty of people were aware of this, but in the wake of the Jason Jesse takedown, I thought it would be appropriate to bring this up again.Expand QuoteYou wouldn't be able to tell from the linked tweet, but it's probably something he retweeted.Expand QuoteWhere is pat duffy here?[close][close]
Fascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36x2gA2wM04Expand QuoteFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close][close]
https://youtu.be/R2pCgepCbm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36x2gA2wM04Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close][close]
https://youtu.be/R2pCgepCbm4[close]
oh vey, good goyiumAren’t you turning it into that? People have been critical of his views regardless of where they sit on any spectrum, not the fact that he isn’t far enough to the left.
keep getting upset about others that dont display mainstream leftist views and opinions. The right vs left paradigm must continue to divide the people. Go on your crusade to destroy Mr Duffy.
Duffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.I agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.
I agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.Expand QuoteDuffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.[close]
Hahahahaha sack of shit goes down all stiff legged and shit.
https://youtu.be/VVyNPBI2awk
My mans I was just drawing the comparison of self proclaimed antifacists acting just like facists in historyFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close]
snopes is about as biased of a source as breitbart.Expand QuoteI agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.Expand QuoteDuffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.[close][close]
As a resident of Canada, I'm yet to find a no-go zone. Also, I've been lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time in Finland, the Netherlands, and Greece in the past few years and I couldn't find a no go zone in any of those places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AwFc9hlf4
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/
From what I've heard there popping up in germany and france
https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/ (https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate)
Now I know RT is a russian funded news site but they tend to cover all ends of the spectrum. I know the Sun isn't held in high regard and I legit haven't heard anything about zerohedge before.
His Airspeed shoe is amazing, though, so I can overlook the fact that he'd like to see me thrown out of the country for being a homo.
Expand QuoteHis Airspeed shoe is amazing, though, so I can overlook the fact that he'd like to see me thrown out of the country for being a homo.[close]
Can you link the tweet where he says something to give you this idea?
I keep getting lucky with these OG skaters who suck as people. Never gave af about Jason Jesse, TNT, Duffy. Hope my heroes stay in tact.
Expand QuoteHahahahaha sack of shit goes down all stiff legged and shit.
https://youtu.be/VVyNPBI2awk[close]
Isn’t Ronald Reagan awesome
snopes is about as biased of a source as breitbart.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.Expand QuoteDuffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.[close][close]
As a resident of Canada, I'm yet to find a no-go zone. Also, I've been lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time in Finland, the Netherlands, and Greece in the past few years and I couldn't find a no go zone in any of those places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AwFc9hlf4
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/[close]
From what I've heard there popping up in germany and france
https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/ (https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate)
Now I know RT is a russian funded news site but they tend to cover all ends of the spectrum. I know the Sun isn't held in high regard and I legit haven't heard anything about zerohedge before.
snopes is about as biased of a source as breitbart.
Now I know RT is a russian funded news site but they tend to cover all ends of the spectrum. I know the Sun isn't held in high regard and I legit haven't heard anything about zerohedge before.
Expand Quotesnopes is about as biased of a source as breitbart.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.Expand QuoteDuffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.[close][close]
As a resident of Canada, I'm yet to find a no-go zone. Also, I've been lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time in Finland, the Netherlands, and Greece in the past few years and I couldn't find a no go zone in any of those places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AwFc9hlf4
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/[close]
From what I've heard there popping up in germany and france
https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/ (https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate)
Now I know RT is a russian funded news site but they tend to cover all ends of the spectrum. I know the Sun isn't held in high regard and I legit haven't heard anything about zerohedge before.[close]
RT is basically Pravda 2018. It gets marching orders from the Kremlin and posts stories like this to foment nationalism and break up NATO.
The Sun is Rupert Murdoch's. It’s as unbiased as Fox News.
Zero Hedge is all chemtrails and red pill bullshit.
Expand QuoteI keep getting lucky with these OG skaters who suck as people. Never gave af about Jason Jesse, TNT, Duffy. Hope my heroes stay in tact.[close]
Top 3 go....
My mans I was just drawing the comparison of self proclaimed antifacists acting just like facists in historyExpand QuoteFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close][close]
Expand QuoteMy mans I was just drawing the comparison of self proclaimed antifacists acting just like facists in historyExpand QuoteFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close][close][close]
but they don't and i'm sure you have no clue what fascism actually means
criticize antifa if you want but at least don't pull out this strawman argument. there are valid points to critique antifa, like how they often ruin stuff by letting their goons burn down cars and wreck shops when shit hit the fan, how they themselves start to act like the police when something they don't like goes down near their squatted houses, and how the far left in general is too tangled up in petty identity politics and already internalized capitalism so much that they are not actually that critical of mass consumption anymore but just want laws so trade is fairer and their own consumption does feel less bad for them. i would kind of agree on all of that.
also i have never heard of antifa burning books, maybe mein kampf? with which i personally wouldn't have a problem. source appreciated.
i live in a city that always had lots of antifa and squatters and i've never seen any antifa person get violent because of different opinions. they will talk you down and call you names, but they usually don't harm civilists. they attack police, and inanimate objects. if they get attacked, they will defend themselves violently. if someone they chose to defend is threatened with violence, they might counter with violence. that's it. fascists practically dream the whole day about the day they can start their purge and just fuck up the people they hate.
it's what they talk about all the time here in germany. how they can't wait to put the damn foreigners on trains to concentration camps again, how they can hassle lgbtq people with laws that will force them to go to conversion therapy and shit. a fascists life is never about how he can make stuff better for his country, it's always about how to make it as bad as possible for all the people he hates, to the point where the fascist has no problem with mass murder, as long as it hits the right people.
seriously all you fucking armchair philosophers need to read up on your shit or gtfo out of these threads if you are too dumb or lazy to contribute. might as well post your simple truths on /pol to get some fat nerd that wanks off to schoolgirl anime to upvote you while you are fondling your ass with a my little pony action figurine.
I've met Pat a couple of times. He's always been really friendly. That said, his Twitter feed seems fucked and kinda shocked me.
He's retweeting about the darling of the UK's far right and founder of the English Defence League (EDL) being wrongful imprisoned. That just shows fucking ignorance. Robinson was in contempt of court and was warned by a judge to stop live-streaming outside a court because it could potentially result in a mistrial. The racist idiot disobeyed the judge's order and was rightly punished - nothing to do with freedom of speech. The far right has been pretending he's a martyr and political prisoner since then.
Hopefully Pat is just ignorant and not a supporter of fucking scum like Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon).
If I see him again, I'll ask him about some of the shit he posts online.
Expand QuoteMy mans I was just drawing the comparison of self proclaimed antifacists acting just like facists in historyExpand QuoteFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close][close][close]
but they don't and i'm sure you have no clue what fascism actually means
criticize antifa if you want but at least don't pull out this strawman argument. there are valid points to critique antifa, like how they often ruin stuff by letting their goons burn down cars and wreck shops when shit hit the fan, how they themselves start to act like the police when something they don't like goes down near their squatted houses, and how the far left in general is too tangled up in petty identity politics and already internalized capitalism so much that they are not actually that critical of mass consumption anymore but just want laws so trade is fairer and their own consumption does feel less bad for them. i would kind of agree on all of that.
also i have never heard of antifa burning books, maybe mein kampf? with which i personally wouldn't have a problem. source appreciated.
i live in a city that always had lots of antifa and squatters and i've never seen any antifa person get violent because of different opinions. they will talk you down and call you names, but they usually don't harm civilists. they attack police, and inanimate objects. if they get attacked, they will defend themselves violently. if someone they chose to defend is threatened with violence, they might counter with violence. that's it. fascists practically dream the whole day about the day they can start their purge and just fuck up the people they hate.
it's what they talk about all the time here in germany. how they can't wait to put the damn foreigners on trains to concentration camps again, how they can hassle lgbtq people with laws that will force them to go to conversion therapy and shit. a fascists life is never about how he can make stuff better for his country, it's always about how to make it as bad as possible for all the people he hates, to the point where the fascist has no problem with mass murder, as long as it hits the right people.
seriously all you fucking armchair philosophers need to read up on your shit or gtfo out of these threads if you are too dumb or lazy to contribute. might as well post your simple truths on /pol to get some fat nerd that wanks off to schoolgirl anime to upvote you while you are fondling your ass with a my little pony action figurine.
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Expand QuoteI've met Pat a couple of times. He's always been really friendly. That said, his Twitter feed seems fucked and kinda shocked me.
He's retweeting about the darling of the UK's far right and founder of the English Defence League (EDL) being wrongful imprisoned. That just shows fucking ignorance. Robinson was in contempt of court and was warned by a judge to stop live-streaming outside a court because it could potentially result in a mistrial. The racist idiot disobeyed the judge's order and was rightly punished - nothing to do with freedom of speech. The far right has been pretending he's a martyr and political prisoner since then.
Hopefully Pat is just ignorant and not a supporter of fucking scum like Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon).
If I see him again, I'll ask him about some of the shit he posts online.[close]
Tommy Robinson started the EDL to try to fight back against radical Islamists in his hometown of Lutton who preached a death to the west narrative openly, and had well established grooming (rape) gangs going. He then left the EDL because he saw it being infiltrated by and attracting white supremacists. Didn't want anything to do with those people. He's most definitely not a racist and if you did some work and watched some of his long form interviews you'd realize this. You don't have to agree with his politics, but I'd try to look into it a bit deeper than what you hear from the mainstream media. And this is no conspiracy talk BS.
Meh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree withMust be hard to illustrate your entire vocabulary in a blur of shit.......
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you think that's funny but that picture is actually me
All that shits gay. Antifa or the alt come up on me ill stand my ground law em, all of em are fags and its popular media now so everyone a fag now. Fuckin lame white people starting shit both sides acting like crazy bitches. Its all white people that can't accept reality. I go Nazi before antifa though since this is a jut fucking game.
But you know how the alt right be firing pedos now for revenge. Well I'm watchin the professional and I woulda probably smashed Matilda. What bout you? Cause my friends have kids and its weird but I still get a softie
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Antifa members would die if the power turned of for a couple weeks.
Got confused by the end, are you supporting Tommy Robinson after he was imprissoned for contempt of court after reporting on a grooming gang?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've met Pat a couple of times. He's always been really friendly. That said, his Twitter feed seems fucked and kinda shocked me.
He's retweeting about the darling of the UK's far right and founder of the English Defence League (EDL) being wrongful imprisoned. That just shows fucking ignorance. Robinson was in contempt of court and was warned by a judge to stop live-streaming outside a court because it could potentially result in a mistrial. The racist idiot disobeyed the judge's order and was rightly punished - nothing to do with freedom of speech. The far right has been pretending he's a martyr and political prisoner since then.
Hopefully Pat is just ignorant and not a supporter of fucking scum like Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon).
If I see him again, I'll ask him about some of the shit he posts online.[close]
Tommy Robinson started the EDL to try to fight back against radical Islamists in his hometown of Lutton who preached a death to the west narrative openly, and had well established grooming (rape) gangs going. He then left the EDL because he saw it being infiltrated by and attracting white supremacists. Didn't want anything to do with those people. He's most definitely not a racist and if you did some work and watched some of his long form interviews you'd realize this. You don't have to agree with his politics, but I'd try to look into it a bit deeper than what you hear from the mainstream media. And this is no conspiracy talk BS.[close]Must be hard to illustrate your entire vocabulary in a blur of shit.......Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close]
How do you justify antifa is of the same ilk as nazi's? Absolute balderdash........
I believe they speak for the mass majority of those that aren't racist and want nothing to do with far right extremism.
If there was a pedophile moving in your neighborhood you'd want him gone and get rid of him because you don't want that shit around you? Or are you going to justify that as well? Frankly if you're dumb enough to believe em, you're dumb enough to join em.....
Expand QuoteHe switched to Vux, and it recently went out of business.Expand QuoteWhat are you going to get Duffy kicked off of? Macbeth shoes? His landscaping crew?[close]
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going through slap and skately just now. never realized how many shoe companies this guy has been on:
duffs
recs
pyro
macbeth
vox
airspeed
that's gotta be some kind of record, right?
Tommy Robinson started the EDL to try to fight back against radical Islamists in his hometown of Lutton who preached a death to the west narrative openly, and had well established grooming (rape) gangs going. He then left the EDL because he saw it being infiltrated by and attracting white supremacists. Didn't want anything to do with those people. He's most definitely not a racist and if you did some work and watched some of his long form interviews you'd realize this. You don't have to agree with his politics, but I'd try to look into it a bit deeper than what you hear from the mainstream media. And this is no conspiracy talk BS.
If I see him again, I'll ask him about some of the shit he posts online.
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lol the literal last thing you should do if you see Pat Duffy
Islamophobia sure, but you're going to have to produce some evidence of "his" racism. By that I mean him specifically and not people associated with him.Expand Quote
Tommy Robinson started the EDL to try to fight back against radical Islamists in his hometown of Lutton who preached a death to the west narrative openly, and had well established grooming (rape) gangs going. He then left the EDL because he saw it being infiltrated by and attracting white supremacists. Didn't want anything to do with those people. He's most definitely not a racist and if you did some work and watched some of his long form interviews you'd realize this. You don't have to agree with his politics, but I'd try to look into it a bit deeper than what you hear from the mainstream media. And this is no conspiracy talk BS.[close]
What makes you think that I'm simply swallowing what's served up in the mainstream media? I know all about Mr Yaxley-Lennon, his history, and the area he's from you judgemental fuckwit. I also happen to work as a university researcher and one of my research areas links to far right movements, so I guess I know fuck all because pricks like you read bullshit on Twitter and think you know the thruth about everything.
The fact is that he deliberately disobeyed an order by a court, knowing he was doing so. His mission to "out" men with immigrant backgrounds accused of sexual assault (your 'rape' gangs) was criminal. He built up the EDL (a well known hate group), dipped when things got hot, then tried to reinvent himself as a serious activist disavowing racism. He then reverted to his racist propaganda when he failed at that.
He sought to prejudice a trial. The UK works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty, but "Tommy Robinson" (a convicted fraudster himself) thought he was above the law and sought to prejudice a trial to advance his right-wing agenda. He's not a martyr for free speech and suggesting that is fucking stupid.
If Yaxley-Lennon is motivated by concern about grooming kids, why was he so silent when it came to the news of operation Yew Tree and the like? He hasn't been outside courts trying to prejudice the trials of others accused of grooming kids. His concern is clearly linked to racism and Islamophobia.
Also, it's true that there are small group if radicaised Muslim men in the UK that openly preach hate, but does not hat give him the right to victimise all followers of Islam or suggest that it is their religion that makes them peadophiles? That's about as logical as stating that the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians.
Islamophobia sure, but you're going to have to produce some evidence of "his" racism. By that I mean him specifically and not people associated with him.
Expand QuoteAll that shits gay. Antifa or the alt come up on me ill stand my ground law em, all of em are fags and its popular media now so everyone a fag now. Fuckin lame white people starting shit both sides acting like crazy bitches. Its all white people that can't accept reality. I go Nazi before antifa though since this is a jut fucking game.
But you know how the alt right be firing pedos now for revenge. Well I'm watchin the professional and I woulda probably smashed Matilda. What bout you? Cause my friends have kids and its weird but I still get a softie
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focus your account, then focus yourself
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHe switched to Vux, and it recently went out of business.Expand QuoteWhat are you going to get Duffy kicked off of? Macbeth shoes? His landscaping crew?[close]
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going through slap and skately just now. never realized how many shoe companies this guy has been on:
duffs
recs
pyro
macbeth
vox
airspeed
that's gotta be some kind of record, right?[close]
Jack Fardell
1. Ripcurl shoes (yes)
2. Fallen
3. Osiris
4. Vans
5. Adidas
But he's still young
snopes is about as biased of a source as breitbart.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.Expand QuoteDuffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.[close][close]
As a resident of Canada, I'm yet to find a no-go zone. Also, I've been lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time in Finland, the Netherlands, and Greece in the past few years and I couldn't find a no go zone in any of those places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AwFc9hlf4
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/[close]
From what I've heard there popping up in germany and france
https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/ (https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate)
Now I know RT is a russian funded news site but they tend to cover all ends of the spectrum. I know the Sun isn't held in high regard and I legit haven't heard anything about zerohedge before.
Thank you Frank. This was the best thing I’ve read all day.Expand QuoteMy mans I was just drawing the comparison of self proclaimed antifacists acting just like facists in historyExpand QuoteFascists are totally the same thing as antifascists. Great work, keep it up.Expand QuoteMeh not that bad lots of the stuff he’s retweeting about is true, Tommy Robinson might be an ass but his trail and imprisonment was bullshit, and Antifa is quite similar to the Nazi brown shirts with the burning of books, silencing of others opinions, and violence to those they don’t agree with[close][close][close]
but they don't and i'm sure you have no clue what fascism actually means
criticize antifa if you want but at least don't pull out this strawman argument. there are valid points to critique antifa, like how they often ruin stuff by letting their goons burn down cars and wreck shops when shit hit the fan, how they themselves start to act like the police when something they don't like goes down near their squatted houses, and how the far left in general is too tangled up in petty identity politics and already internalized capitalism so much that they are not actually that critical of mass consumption anymore but just want laws so trade is fairer and their own consumption does feel less bad for them. i would kind of agree on all of that.
also i have never heard of antifa burning books, maybe mein kampf? with which i personally wouldn't have a problem. source appreciated.
i live in a city that always had lots of antifa and squatters and i've never seen any antifa person get violent because of different opinions. they will talk you down and call you names, but they usually don't harm civilists. they attack police, and inanimate objects. if they get attacked, they will defend themselves violently. if someone they chose to defend is threatened with violence, they might counter with violence. that's it. fascists practically dream the whole day about the day they can start their purge and just fuck up the people they hate.
it's what they talk about all the time here in germany. how they can't wait to put the damn foreigners on trains to concentration camps again, how they can hassle lgbtq people with laws that will force them to go to conversion therapy and shit. a fascists life is never about how he can make stuff better for his country, it's always about how to make it as bad as possible for all the people he hates, to the point where the fascist has no problem with mass murder, as long as it hits the right people.
seriously all you fucking armchair philosophers need to read up on your shit or gtfo out of these threads if you are too dumb or lazy to contribute. might as well post your simple truths on /pol to get some fat nerd that wanks off to schoolgirl anime to upvote you while you are fondling your ass with a my little pony action figurine.
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Tommy Robinson started the EDL to try to fight back against radical Islamists in his hometown of Lutton who preached a death to the west narrative openly, and had well established grooming (rape) gangs going. He then left the EDL because he saw it being infiltrated by and attracting white supremacists. Didn't want anything to do with those people. He's most definitely not a racist and if you did some work and watched some of his long form interviews you'd realize this. You don't have to agree with his politics, but I'd try to look into it a bit deeper than what you hear from the mainstream media. And this is no conspiracy talk BS.[close]
What makes you think that I'm simply swallowing what's served up in the mainstream media? I know all about Mr Yaxley-Lennon, his history, and the area he's from you judgemental fuckwit. I also happen to work as a university researcher and one of my research areas links to far right movements, so I guess I know fuck all because pricks like you read bullshit on Twitter and think you know the thruth about everything.
The fact is that he deliberately disobeyed an order by a court, knowing he was doing so. His mission to "out" men with immigrant backgrounds accused of sexual assault (your 'rape' gangs) was criminal. He built up the EDL (a well known hate group), dipped when things got hot, then tried to reinvent himself as a serious activist disavowing racism. He then reverted to his racist propaganda when he failed at that.
He sought to prejudice a trial. The UK works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty, but "Tommy Robinson" (a convicted fraudster himself) thought he was above the law and sought to prejudice a trial to advance his right-wing agenda. He's not a martyr for free speech and suggesting that is fucking stupid.
If Yaxley-Lennon is motivated by concern about grooming kids, why was he so silent when it came to the news of operation Yew Tree and the like? He hasn't been outside courts trying to prejudice the trials of others accused of grooming kids. His concern is clearly linked to racism and Islamophobia.
Also, it's true that there are small group if radicaised Muslim men in the UK that openly preach hate, but does not hat give him the right to victimise all followers of Islam or suggest that it is their religion that makes them peadophiles? That's about as logical as stating that the Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians.
Was this antifa? If so then I’m backing them
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Was this Nazis? If so I'm backing themExpand QuoteWas this antifa? If so then I’m backing them
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a fascists life is never about how he can make stuff better for his country, it's always about how to make it as bad as possible for all the people he hates
hey speakin of fashionism
hey speakin of fashionism look who banned me and my ip. slap did. slaps going downhill and you cant stop it and you all know it. full of faggots because the good posters stopped because they seen how lame its getting. get fucked, you cant censor me.
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Of course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).
Of course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).
are we being raided or something? fucking people coming out of the woodwork to talk about fringe politics...
lastly---Expand Quotea fascists life is never about how he can make stuff better for his country, it's always about how to make it as bad as possible for all the people he hates[close]
are you a scholar of De Gaulle? he said something very similar which has always stuck with me:
"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first." hes a smart man to study if this kind of stuff interests you.
the incels have arrived.
Are you saying its unfair to judge somebody by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin?Expand QuoteOf course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).[close]
But tolerance!!!!! Well tolerant if you agree with them politically. Otherwise, yeah you'll be labelled a racist, bigoted piece of shit. Ironic when you look up the definition of bigot. And yeah it's all about diversity. Diversity of skin color, not of ideas. Again, if you disagree and are of a different race, the tolerance goes out the window, and the same labels apply. Of course, forget that about half the population of pretty much any society with have some different moralities and values. Fuck them right......
“I don’t view humanity as a single species...”
Screaming 'racism' at people because blacks are collectively less intelligent...is insane.
You cannot run a high IQ (white) society with low IQ (non-white) people…these (non-white) immigrants are going to fail...and they're not just going to fail a little, they are going to fail hard…they're not staying on welfare because they’re lazy...they’re doing what is economically the best option for them...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible with success in a free-market economy.
...white people will bend over backwards to accommodate you, but when they finally get that they’re just being taken advantage of...you will see a backlash, and that backlash will be quick, decisive, and brutal.
...the Germans were in danger of being taken over by what they perceived as Jewish-led Communism. And Jewish-led Communism had wiped out tens of millions of white Christians in Russia and they were afraid of the same thing. And there was this wild overreaction and all this kind of stuff.
"Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes. I don't know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes"
If we could just get people to be nice to their babies for five years straight, that would be it for war, drug abuse, addiction, promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases. Almost all would be completely eliminated, because they all arise from dysfunctional early childhood experiences, which are all run by women.
A whore will let her friend ruin your life with a false rape case. So why should I care when women are raped?
Fat/ugly women seek out dominant men to abuse them. Then they seek sympathy from others. "He's so mean.". Hence why women troll Twitter.
How to tell if someone is a true player? There's a 100% chance he's had a pregnancy scare, and a 25% chance he's had a false rape scare.
It's also anti-rape game. After abusing a girl, I always immediately send a text and save her reply.
You can't rape the willing.
Have you guys ever tried "raping" a girl without using force? Try it. It's basically impossible. Date rape does not exist.
Rape via an alpha male is different from other forms of rape. We can't really understand this, as our culture is too detached from instinct.there's a ton more. he accuses everyone he doesn't like of being a pedophile
Of course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).
ok. and you linked articles that are two+ years old?Expand Quotesnopes is about as biased of a source as breitbart.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree with almost everything you said. Except I'm 98% sure no go zones are an actual thing.Expand QuoteDuffy's tweets and Instagram posts are sad. He seems to be completely lost in a world of conspiracies. It is strange he appears to distrust basically everything in the world except for his (fundamentalist fear based) conspiracies. Fear seems to be the only real thing in his world.
I can give him a pass for some of his shit. I mean he missed out on a big payday (according to his 2014 interview), which could certainly make someone a bit jaded and he seems like a dude who is trying to make sense of a complex world with shitty conspiracies, but his anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, anti-gay, and anti-Canada fear mongering bullshit crosses the line for me.
Duffy obviously hates science, experts (except for his fear mongering "experts"), and is terribly fearful of technology. He promotes anti-vax bullshit, he promotes the notion that flouride is a poison (I hope he doesn't brush or use mouthwash), he hates the CDC, and he attacks the scientific consensus on global warming. He is also terrified of GMOs (I can't judge him too hard on the GMO shit because I used to worry about this as well.)
However, he hates the idea of corporations writing laws, lobbying for laws to be passed, corporations ignoring the common good (Nestle not really caring about public access to water), Monsanto's shitty business practices, but supports libertarians who believe that there should not be any regulation on business or the "free" market. This is just a strange contradiction. One minute he says "corporations have too much power" and then without skipping a beat he wants a world where no one will interfere with the actions of the corporations (that have too much power).
He hates "the media" but has no problem believing every unverified claim from his conspiracy websites (Jones's lawyers have argued twice in court that he doesn't believe the shit he says, but Duffy buys it (sandy)hook line and sinker).
He is afraid of the state, but he is obviously a "patriot" (the name of his Vox shoe). He loves "freedom," but has no problem retweeting those who call for the repression of a minority religion, which he constantly frames as scary, dangerous, uncivilized, etc. A huge portion of his posts are all about sharia law, (the mythical) no go zones, and other scary stories that all righteous fundamentalists tell each other.
It seems Duffy is exactly what neo-liberalism/libertarianism breeds. A distrustful, fearful, and hateful person who is upset that there is a loss of the commons and thinks everyone in the world is out for some evil purpose, except for the people who keep telling him (for a profit) to keep being fearful, and that competition and distrust are good and will lead him to a better world.
Fucking social media has to be the worst invention in recent history. I'd rather not know how sad the people I once looked up to really are.[close][close]
As a resident of Canada, I'm yet to find a no-go zone. Also, I've been lucky enough to spend a fair amount of time in Finland, the Netherlands, and Greece in the past few years and I couldn't find a no go zone in any of those places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AwFc9hlf4
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sharia-law-muslim-no-go-zones/[close]
From what I've heard there popping up in germany and france
https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/ (https://www.rt.com/news/419978-germany-merkel-no-go-zones/)
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5698740/angela-merkel-admits-there-are-no-go-areas-in-germany/)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate)
Now I know RT is a russian funded news site but they tend to cover all ends of the spectrum. I know the Sun isn't held in high regard and I legit haven't heard anything about zerohedge before.[close]
First, not only does this belief in "no-go zones" stem some inherent belief about the inherent evilness of another group of people, but all of these claims rely on the notion that advanced wealthy secular Western nations have (voluntarily) relinquished control of their city spaces to a religion (that isn't Christianity). It returns back to this notion of the loss of law in order in a decaying society (even though crime is going down). Adding to this absurdity, this means that police in these nations have also given up control of these spaces and allowed an unrecognized authority to usurp their power and authority. If anyone has ever interacted with a police officer this is a bit difficult to believe. The best way to piss off a police officer isn't by committing a crime, but by questioning his authority to be in control (especially, if one is already deemed an "asshole" by being an outsider or "out-of-place").
While there are plenty of sources to dispute this notion of a no-go zone, the easiest refutation is thinking about this objectively and looking at previous moral panics. It reminds me of Sarah Palin's "Death Panels" and the notion that x neighborhoods is a "no-go zone" because of poor people, young people, black people, etc. may be there (no-go zone is not a new term, just reinvented for a new "scary" group of people). Despite being complete bullshit, death panels certainly sound scary to those who doubt the benefits of socialized anything (and overtly ignore the claims that private insurance companies love to ignore) and are strong mythical symbols for a group of people to focus on and reinforce their intense fear/hate of something/someone that is different. It is great tactic for building solidarity among an in-group and ramping up intense emotions (see Durkheim's discussion of totems and interaction rituals). Also, there have been plenty of moral panics about neighborhoods of dispossessed or "scary" people in the past that were complete bullshit. The term isn't new, it is just placed on a new group of people. It reminds of the fear surrounding the mods and rockers in England after WWII. The whole country was afraid of any space that young people might inhabit. Or think of the intense fear that some people like to promote about skateboarding (or Dungeons and Dragons, which was also bullshit). Moreover, think of the way people from the suburbs describe places in the city with some of our favorite skate-spots. They ultra dangerous places where no one can go without being mugged, beaten, or shot. A great example of this might be Deck Park in Phoenix. I skated Deck Park in Phoenix a few years back. Yea, there were a few people that probably love smoking crack, but there wasn't a single person that gave a fuck about me or the dudes showing me around. This isn't to say there are no risks of crime, but many people's perception of risk has no relation to reality.
Second, none of the sources you list are reasonable. RT is not an outlet that "covers the spectrum," but is an state organized media with an obvious agenda. Zerohedge is part of the conspiracy theory section of the internet. The fact most (all?) of its articles are written by "Tyler Durden" should be a pretty good indicator that it isn't a reliable source. The Sun is a super-conservative tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch. None of this strikes me as objective content.
Finally, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I actively looked for the "no-go zones" during my two months in Athens. I started off my hunt for "scary" places in Exarchia (apparently a "den of anarchists and criminals"). All I found was an amazing pizza place (Mystic Pizza) and a decent cafe next to a park with a few banners up that I wasn't able to read, but I assumed were anarchist slogans. The next day I went looking for the no-go zones in some of the poorest neighborhoods in Athens. All I found was a disgusting red light district where I saw the hookers on one side of the road and the needle users on the other side (one guy decided to show me his catheter while asking for money, which was a bummer). Throughout my two months, I simply couldn't find a "no-go zone" (because they don't exist and are just another law-and-order hatred of the diversity of the city myth).
I'm taking next week off from work, please tell me where I need to find a no-go zone in Canada. Also, the American official in the video I posted walked back his no-go zone remark about the Netherlands, but if you tell me exactly where this no go zone is in the Netherlands is we can go look for it together next spring.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/paris-mayor-to-sue-fox-over-no-go-zone-comments/384656/
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/14/steven-emerson/fox-news-guest-steven-emerson-says-birmingham-tota/ (Fox even (partially) apologized for their bullshit)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-29/unmasking-the-men-behind-zero-hedge-wall-street-s-renegade-blog
Nazis? I'm backing them
Of course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).
Anyone who doesn’t is a Low IQ individual.Expand QuoteOf course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).[close]
A black person who supports trump is extremely confused.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/k3yjlx3abmQda/giphy-downsized-large.gif)Expand QuoteOf course liberals being bullies again (and mad shallow for judging a man on the way he dresses). Skateboarding is just like Hollywood, people trying way to hard to be accepting but you go out of your way to bring down someone who does not have the same political idea as you. You people are the same people who say black people who are into guns and Trump are "confused" or the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia". These people want to be so open minded and artistic but yet can't open their mind to someone else's ideals. I'm honestly on neither end of the spectrum, but I'll tell you this: Capitalism is a hell of a lot better than Socialism (Communism).[close]
A black person who supports trump is extremely confused.
yo still haven't read any of this bullshit thread but i am curious as to who's winning this one? the nazis or the hoeboys?
Btw if gifs of Nazis getting punched makes me you feel anything but joy you have some self-evaluating to do.
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the liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia".
Expand QuoteBtw if gifs of Nazis getting punched makes me you feel anything but joy you have some self-evaluating to do.
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ok. and you linked articles that are two+ years old?
https://www.apnews.com/438bb0ac98d04459ab2e392f3c4fc5ef
I inked the first articles that popped up. And sadly 95% of news sources are biased and pushing an agenda. Didn't look like there were any left leaning sites that covered anything about Merkel saying it to clarify if she was taken out of context or not.
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ok. and you linked articles that are two+ years old?
https://www.apnews.com/438bb0ac98d04459ab2e392f3c4fc5ef
I inked the first articles that popped up. And sadly 95% of news sources are biased and pushing an agenda. Didn't look like there were any left leaning sites that covered anything about Merkel saying it to clarify if she was taken out of context or not.[close]
First, the notion that all papers have some level of bias is true, but to say that they all have the same degree of the bias is a different story. The likelihood of a paper or website to use falsehoods, hyperbole, or hatred to convince or scare a reader into believing something varies quite a bit. Saying "Oh, well they're all biased" is the same as saying, "Reynolds and J Rogers are the same because they are both 'crazy.'" Reynold's and "the madness" is no where near the out of control insanity of J Casanova. Serious right/left journalism (Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Christian Science Monitor/NY Times, Harpers) has its flaws, but these flaws do not compare with problems within the fear mongering (far-right) half-truth conspiracy websites or tabloids. Sadly, conspiracies, fear, and hatred sell really well.
Second, Merkel's utterance--out of context--is disconcerting (and it makes a great headline). Her statement does give me some pause and allows me to question if I missed something in all my time in Europe. However, the repeating of her statement is weak, because she offers zero evidence nor does she even define her term. Without her offering any supporting evidence, this lone statement isn't enough to get me to rescind my own observations, renounce previous stories published on the topic, or abandon my moral panic hypothesis, which has been true in similar situations. The headline is an opportunity for those who want to believe that Muslims “are taking over” to say, "I knew it!" I'm yet to see any significant evidence that there are whole communities that have shrugged off secular law and replaced it with theocratic law.
Third, her statement—in context—certainly doesn't disprove my moral panic theory. Merkel, the leader of a conservative party, said, “The state has to ensure that whenever people or meet in public areas they feel safe.” [CUT to Interviewer] Interviewer, “What exactly does that mean? Zero tolerance?” Merkel, “It means for example that there cannot be any no-go areas, that there cannot be areas where people are afraid to go, but such places are a reality. So we have to do something about them." Then she rambles on about being tough on crime. I don't doubt some people are afraid to go to certain places in Germany, just like I don't doubt some people were afraid to go to LOVE Park because of the "scary" skateboarders or Deck Park because of the "scary" street people. Hell, I have relatives who are afraid to leave the rural sections of my province and I was recently (irrationally) worried about driving into the deep south of America, but that doesn’t mean any of these places are objectively dangerous nor does it mean that spaces people view as safe are nearly as safe as they like to believe. Sadly, people's perception of reality is not the same as reality itself and being “tough on crime” is a great way to get (re)elected. Sometimes the fear of x, says more about the fearful than the space/people they are afraid of. Crime exists, people do shitty things, but not on the level most people think. It is strange to me that a skater who has been at the center of a moral panic doesn't question the validity of a moral panic that surrounds another group people. Skateboarding has been vilified many times over, rarely, do our actions live up to our scary reputations.
Fourth, right-of-center and far-right politicians have been telling me scary stories my whole life in order to get me to abandon, hate my fellow citizens, and view myself as lone individual trying to survive in a world where everyone is corrupt. For roughly 40 years, American presidents have pushed for the "free" market, the removal of safety net, and the disbanding of organized labor, all while trying to ramp up punishment and incite hatred and distrust. Reagan and the New Dixiecrat Clinton completely redefined their parties and entrenched us in a neoliberal-libertarian world (Thatcher/Blair did this in England). Their dramatic pushes rightward (remember Clinton cut the welfare rolls in half, introduced workfare, and oversaw a great deal of "de-regulation" while the stock market boomed) were supposed to make our (white) lives better, but economics for the average person has become more insecure, wages have stayed flat and pensions have vanished. All the while, they told us the real villains were the minorities, young people, non-Christians, gay people, unruly skateboarders, Dungeons and Dragons players, etc. and if we allow them to lock all the “outsiders” up everything will be ok. It has been 40 years since Thatcher and Reagan (with the help of Milton Friedman) redefined the whole Western world and all I've seen is more fear, more people in prison, and insane rise in the stock market. None of this does shit for me or anyone who works for a living. Sadly, Duffy’s and the far-right's claims of disorder only double down on the shitty solutions that haven't been working for any of us (who aren't millionaires). This kind of shit only drives us right back to Hobbes's state of nature where everyone is nasty, brutish, and mean and life is really fucking short and miserable or towards some Francoist hellscape.
Finally, my offer still stands and I'll even switch from the Netherlands to Germany if you like (even though I enjoy the Netherlands quite a bit more). As long as you don't drag me to Hannover (because it has to be the most boring city in all of Germany), we will see if we can actually locate one of these mythical places. Berlin is one of the best cities in the world and I love the dudes at the local shop in Bremen (Attitude), we can start in either of those cities if you like.
Even with the editing of Express this is a non-story https://www.express.co.uk/videos/529057/Angela-Merkel-admits-there-ARE-no-go-areas-in-
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Here is the full interview that is even more benign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hKk5ZWUBuw
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBtw if gifs of Nazis getting punched makes me you feel anything but joy you have some self-evaluating to do.
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The results of my self evaluation are in!
It's been determined that I would love to see even more gifs of Nazis getting punched.
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Expand Quotethe liberal athiest who hates on Christianity and Judaism all day but says "Fuck Islamophobia".[close]
when a liberal atheist* hates on christianity or judaism its usually for ideological reasons and they aren't passing harsh character judgements on people who follow the religion. someone who's islamophobic typically is. important difference there bud.
Wait, the 40 something (?) year old guy who dresses like a 13 year old stuck in 1998 hasn't developed critical thinking skills and is prone to conspiracy theories and right wing fallacy's!? What!?