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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: shark tits on May 27, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
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because we know that it's not cool to joke if it might hurt some feelings. i guess in the interest of fairness ya'll better ruin this guy's life next. someone see if vice will cover it. oh wait........
http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nn4jq8/meet-the-nieratkos-jim-riswolds-hilarious-hitlers
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Mark Twain he ain't
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I back Hitler.
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criticizing someone for being a nazi is the same thing as “lynching” them, a “witch hunt” and “ruining their lives.” who are the snowflakes here? stfu.
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criticizing someone for being a nazi is the same thing as “lynching” them, a “witch hunt” and “ruining their lives.” who are the snowflakes here? stfu.
getting someone fired is tantamount to ruining their life i'd say. only you mentioned witch hunt and lynch. be consistent, chris neiratko jokes about hitler, ergo he's no better than a nazi, get him fired. keep that same energy pussy boi.
ps by calling people you disagree w/ snowflakes or cucks, you're legitimizing that slang. i'm no rightwing/racist but you're perpetuating that language and proving my theory that far left and far right are both football players, they just wear opposing colors. i'm a skater, i hate jocks.
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If Big Brother existed today Slap would have a collective aneurysm.
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I don’t call people snowflakes. but that term got tossed around a lot. jason jessee has multiple income streams and will be just fine. he owns a goddamn oceanfront naziland ranch.
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criticizing someone for being a nazi is the same thing as “lynching” them, a “witch hunt” and “ruining their lives.” who are the snowflakes here? stfu.
ps by calling people you disagree w/ snowflakes or cucks, you're legitimizing that slang. i'm no rightwing/racist but you're perpetuating that language and proving my theory that far left and far right are both football players, they just wear opposing colors. i'm a skater, i hate jocks.
If you don't share in the outrage down to the very specifics, down to very core and acceptable thought process, you might as well don the nazi regalia. Objective thought processes are unwelcome here, lets celebrate individualism with the newest brand of "thought control". opinions, although outwardly unspoken will not be tolerated.
Even my own personal condemnation of racism wasn't poignant enough, nor acceptable enough to our peers to absolve me of my lack of righteousness.
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I don’t call people snowflakes. but that term got tossed around a lot. jason jessee has multiple income streams and will be just fine. he owns a goddamn oceanfront naziland ranch.
you asked 'who are the snowflakes here'? implying that i, as the author of this bitchin' thread was the snowflake. don't softshoe semantically out of the room, you used it in a pejorative manner.
ok, jason jessee will but that hasn't stopped nazis. other people have joked about nazis which isn't fighting white hegemony [and as stated on slap, if you're not fighting it then you're a nazi yo damn self] so keep it going.
jason jessee down, piss negrotaco to go.
and when ya get him in trouble i'll find someone else who went one joke over the line. don't congratulate yourselves for taking out one foot soldier, collect those nazi scalps, you sj-warriors.
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criticizing someone for being a nazi is the same thing as “lynching” them, a “witch hunt” and “ruining their lives.” who are the snowflakes here? stfu.
ps by calling people you disagree w/ snowflakes or cucks, you're legitimizing that slang. i'm no rightwing/racist but you're perpetuating that language and proving my theory that far left and far right are both football players, they just wear opposing colors. i'm a skater, i hate jocks.
someone said this in a Daryl Angel thread so I'm paraphrasing: being a pro skateboarder for the largest sports corporation in the world isn't some life-providing job, it's a privilege. no one's life is being ruined because they don't get to do their passion for a living anymore.
and the horseshoe theory youre toting is ahistorical garbage.
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people criticizing jason jessee were routinely called snowflakes, pussies, liberal nutjobs, and even sjws, which is the same language you’re using. you have no valid argument to defend him except to try to call his detractors sjws and communists or whatever silly exaggerations you can come up with. the guy is a goddamn nazi. criticizing him is not an extreme left position but defending him is a far right position. stop insulting people’s intelligence. you guys act just like bullies who get confronted for the first time: you get all defensive, say you’re just joking and then tell people to stop being so sensitive. when that doesn’t work, out come the accusations of people being “crazy.” typical narcissistic and sociopathic behavior.
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So is your stance on the Jason Jessee thing that he was just joking around for 30 years and doesn’t deserve this?
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horseshoe theory is totally true.
what would ya'll be doing in a real holocaust?
idk, what are you doing about cops killing poor people?
what are you doing about israel killing palestineans?
real change isn't getting an aging skater fired, there's good fights to be fought.
even if someone was a real nazi, is snitching really the way? if yes, then snitch on neiratko. i jsut want ya'll to be consistent. i bet i can comb through old scans on CBI and find questionable stuff from everyone.
remember the cardiel interview where he punched the girl?
but, that's different... seig heil cardiel.
fuck that, keep that daryl angel energy.
chuck, don't come at me w/ 'you guys in another thread' focus on this one.
either you're warriors or you're bullies picking on soft targets.
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Getting hate symbol use out of skateboarding seems like a good place to start. Just because you aren’t getting the nobel peace prize doesn’t mean it’s not a worthy endeavor.
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So is your stance on the Jason Jessee thing that he was just joking around for 30 years and doesn’t deserve this?
my stance is you took down one 'slap described nazi' so now take down more.
if all your bad ass grand dads killed one nazi and called it a day, it really would have made russia have to fight extra hard to stop germany.
remember when muska said 'niggas is fake, honkies is real'? white supremacy!
make them all commit suicide w/ their gfs in a bunker then high five about your moral superiority.
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reminds me of people who complain about cops writing speeding tickets when the real criminals are out there raping and murdering. rapists and murderers exist so speeding is okay.
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horseshoe theory is totally true.
what would ya'll be doing in a real holocaust?
idk, what are you doing about cops killing poor people?
what are you doing about israel killing palestineans?
real change isn't getting an aging skater fired, there's good fights to be fought.
Oh come the fuck on dude, you think people can't strive clean up the industry of something theyre passionate about and care about world issues, too? you don't think these things intersect, that me a black man might want jessee out of industry for the same reasons i stand against police violence
you're running thru every deflection tactic in the book to avoid admitting maybe you dont mind neo-nazism
and RE: horseshoe theory: can you point to an intersection between leftwing policy and rightwing policy, or are you just talking out of your ass?
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People do bad stuff in their past and change (ie most people and Corey duffel as one example). The difference with Jason is that he did bad stuff in the past and continued to do sketchy stuff 2 plus decades later.
This wasn’t about taking any one person down it was about exposing the problem through out the culture.
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rightwing policy and leftwing policy are pro corporation, pro big government [even if one espouses the opposite] pro military industrial complex, pro prison industrial complex and pro killing arabs for their resources.
oh, both are anti immigrant too and hard on the poor/welfare.
obamacare was originally a right wing handout to the insurance companies.
a lot of things have to be signed by the party you wouldn't expect it from to get less negative reaction aka we'll take somethign from obama gladly we'd complain about from bush or vice versa.
ya'll can be whatever you want but it's like me recycling a bottle and going 'i did my part, planet's fixed'.
keep that hate [that righteous hate] in your hearts, there's more nazis to stomp.
am i ok w/ nazis in skating? i've had to live w/ real nazis briefly in jails and shit. they're scary to me too.
jason jessee didn't scare me although leticia's stories and some others did make him sound like a bad guy.
i think that terrorizing was way worse than swastikas.
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what state in the us are you from?
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what state in the us are you from?
massachusetts
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Was the guy a pro skateboarder?
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Was the guy a pro skateboarder?
'the guy' was chris neiratko. i mean, he meets another hitler joker but he's one too and vice paid him to write about it. which is funny to me but i'm not part of youth brigade. joking on hitler normalizes hitler and the next thing you know..........
oh, if you've never heard of chris neiratko, i've never seen him skate but big brother [and later vice, espn] paid him to write about pro skaters so he's like 2 degrees of kevin bacon from skating pro.
you might know him as a guy puking on jackass part one.
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I know who chris is but I was meaning the guy he is interviewing
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because we know that it's not cool to joke if it might hurt some feelings. i guess in the interest of fairness ya'll better ruin this guy's life next. someone see if vice will cover it. oh wait........
http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nn4jq8/meet-the-nieratkos-jim-riswolds-hilarious-hitlers
Once again, you've really given us all a lot to think about.
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I know who chris is but I was meaning the guy he is interviewing
I think the whole article is made up. It’s obviously supposed to be humorous but it’s not that funny.
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and RE: horseshoe theory: can you point to an intersection between leftwing policy and rightwing policy, or are you just talking out of your ass?
"You're either with us or against us"
Ie. Nationalism
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
I think it’s just that there’s a little clique he’s in where they constantly gnar each other so you’d get that impression but it’s not true. Look also at the choad poster Mongoloid’s rep. He rarely posts anything funny or interesting but he and butthole sniffer and a few others are constantly jerking each other off.
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ya'll care too much about rep. you can't get a discount at the skateshop for having a positive rep. shit ain't nothing but people w/ bad reps are crybabies about it.
keep your eyes on your own dicks.
[edit] and it's rich to be called a junky [sic] by a person named smokecrack. god bless.
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This is going to be a really fun thread.
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
I think it’s just that there’s a little clique he’s in where they constantly gnar each other so you’d get that impression but it’s not true. Look also at the choad poster Mongoloid’s rep. He rarely posts anything funny or interesting but he and butthole sniffer and a few others are constantly jerking each other off.
As opposed to the circle jerk that happens when you other pals get each other hot and bothered over the latest hot sociopolitical topic of the week? You guy's just cant handle objective points of view, and feel the need to impose your will on anyone else who doesn't fit your standard. The funny thing is it's as hypocritical as the brand of righteousness you tend to preach.
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
I think it’s just that there’s a little clique he’s in where they constantly gnar each other so you’d get that impression but it’s not true. Look also at the choad poster Mongoloid’s rep. He rarely posts anything funny or interesting but he and butthole sniffer and a few others are constantly jerking each other off.
As opposed to the circle jerk that happens when you other pals get each other hot and bothered over the latest hot sociopolitical topic of the week? You guy's just cant handle objective points of view, and feel the need to impose your will on anyone else who doesn't fit your standard. The funny thing is it's as hypocritical as the brand of righteousness you tend to preach.
right back at you. any hint of blowback and your fragile egos just cry out at those evil socialists and sjws. you want to be able to say whatever you want but not hear the retorts. did jason jessee get arrested? assaulted? or even harassed? are swastikas illegal now? no. people talked about him online and a couple of his sponsors made a business decision. but you guys are taking it personally because you relate to him in a way.
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
I think it’s just that there’s a little clique he’s in where they constantly gnar each other so you’d get that impression but it’s not true. Look also at the choad poster Mongoloid’s rep. He rarely posts anything funny or interesting but he and butthole sniffer and a few others are constantly jerking each other off.
As opposed to the circle jerk that happens when you other pals get each other hot and bothered over the latest hot sociopolitical topic of the week? You guy's just cant handle objective points of view, and feel the need to impose your will on anyone else who doesn't fit your standard. The funny thing is it's as hypocritical as the brand of righteousness you tend to preach.
right back at you. any hint of blowback and your fragile egos just cry out at those evil socialists and sjws. you want to be able to say whatever you want but not hear the retorts. did jason jessee get arrested? assaulted? or even harassed? are swastikas illegal now? no. people talked about him online and a couple of his sponsors made a business decision. but you guys are taking it personally because you relate to him in a way.
But look at how your accusatory framing of me is personally. Only opinion I gave on the subject was a denouncement of racism ( "racism is a terrible thing" ), but because I didn't reach your approved level of outrage, and because I see fallacies in your approach I am somehow part of the problem. As if your statements, and judgements are immune from the same criticisms of those you preach against.
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
I think it’s just that there’s a little clique he’s in where they constantly gnar each other so you’d get that impression but it’s not true. Look also at the choad poster Mongoloid’s rep. He rarely posts anything funny or interesting but he and butthole sniffer and a few others are constantly jerking each other off.
As opposed to the circle jerk that happens when you other pals get each other hot and bothered over the latest hot sociopolitical topic of the week? You guy's just cant handle objective points of view, and feel the need to impose your will on anyone else who doesn't fit your standard. The funny thing is it's as hypocritical as the brand of righteousness you tend to preach.
right back at you. any hint of blowback and your fragile egos just cry out at those evil socialists and sjws. you want to be able to say whatever you want but not hear the retorts. did jason jessee get arrested? assaulted? or even harassed? are swastikas illegal now? no. people talked about him online and a couple of his sponsors made a business decision. but you guys are taking it personally because you relate to him in a way.
But look at how your accusatory your framing of me is personally. Only opinion I gave on the subject was a denouncement of racism ( "racism is a terrible thing" ), but because I didn't reach your approved level of outrage, and because I see fallacies in your approach I am somehow part of the problem. As if your statements, and judgements are immune from the same criticisms of those you preach against.
you’re projecting. I never said that. I don’t care about other people’s reactions to this. I’ve only posted my own thoughts on it. I know people all have their own opinions and I’m fine with that.
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i'm a street skating cheater w/ a hide full of napalm. jason jessee means less to me than the price of heroin or alcohol [1.5 yrs clean on the former and 7.5 yrs on the latter, thanks i know] i just think it's silly how poeple get all up in arms over a guy doing a teenage symbol of rebellion that you also admitted to.
granted he was running em post teenage yrs but still.
to quote giant pussy jello biafra 'the real nazis run your schools, they're coaches, businessmen and cops'.
not aging vert skaters.
to be fair, jason jessee seems like a terrible person according to leticia and that verbose consolidated pro who wrote about getting dropped of naked at city limits. ben something?
there's just a lot of more serious things we could be working on. and ya'll are a little too eager to taste blood in someone's downfall.
is it helping anyone? has anyone's quality of life improved?
first you wanted an apology. then it wasn't good enough. it's ugly to witness.
lil stevie usedta jump white kids and steal their boards, ya'll gonna demand justice from him too?
go get your pound of flesh. i think armed/strong armed robbery is worse than symbols but it was long ago, i don't hate stevie. just sayin.
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why do you keep insisting that the people upset about this arent upset about other things? you also seem to think unless people are working on every single possible bad thing they shouldnt be working on any.
you keep saying you dont care about jason jessee but you sure seem to be upset about. at least enough so to keep making troll posts about it.
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I personally never wanted him to get fired and I don’t get any joy out of it. My main thought was jason jessee is full of shit and should just admit he believes in this stuff. The Highway Murderers are obvious alt right extremists and his use of certain symbols and everything else was too much of a coincidence. I frankly don’t care about his sponsors because I will never buy Nike/Cons and I don’t like NHS wood. I do skate Indys and I don’t think I will stop till I get more concrete evidence they are evil racists. I’ve tried all the other major trucks and I don’t like them.
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
I think it’s just that there’s a little clique he’s in where they constantly gnar each other so you’d get that impression but it’s not true. Look also at the choad poster Mongoloid’s rep. He rarely posts anything funny or interesting but he and butthole sniffer and a few others are constantly jerking each other off.
As opposed to the circle jerk that happens when you other pals get each other hot and bothered over the latest hot sociopolitical topic of the week? You guy's just cant handle objective points of view, and feel the need to impose your will on anyone else who doesn't fit your standard. The funny thing is it's as hypocritical as the brand of righteousness you tend to preach.
right back at you. any hint of blowback and your fragile egos just cry out at those evil socialists and sjws. you want to be able to say whatever you want but not hear the retorts. did jason jessee get arrested? assaulted? or even harassed? are swastikas illegal now? no. people talked about him online and a couple of his sponsors made a business decision. but you guys are taking it personally because you relate to him in a way.
But look at how your accusatory your framing of me is personally. Only opinion I gave on the subject was a denouncement of racism ( "racism is a terrible thing" ), but because I didn't reach your approved level of outrage, and because I see fallacies in your approach I am somehow part of the problem. As if your statements, and judgements are immune from the same criticisms of those you preach against.
you’re projecting. I never said that. I don’t care about other people’s reactions to this. I’ve only posted my own thoughts on it. I know people all have their own opinions and I’m fine with that.
You don't seem particularly fine with it in this thread.
I probably shouldn't have used you as an example, as you personally haven't addressed me prior to this thread. I was speaking more broadly on what I had seen in a quick browsing of that thread. I saw a lot of cutting down of those who didn't share in the same level of enthusiasm.
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nope nopes, i don't care about any west coast skaters except sweet lou barletta.
i don't like any ramp skaters. i did like consolidated once upon a time but more for karma, the paez brothers and alan peterson [10/10 did skate to a good song].
i keep making posts about people's outrage, don't strawman that i care about some lame ass skater i don't.
it's about the silliness and anger in attacking someone and i just want to bring up more targets for ya'll to bravely take down from the anonymity of slap.
boycott walmart, mcdonalds, the shoe companies or something big. taking on indy because they patterned their symbol from something w/ mild racist connotations? and ace for pointing that out?
there's real fights out there but ya'll ain't w/ the shits.
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Uh...guys...could you not?
I believe Vice already fired me years ago.
And I can't really afford to lose my landscaping job.
Do you know how high the grass is in New Jersey???
(rim shot)
Fuck Nazis.
The old guard ruined Charlie Chaplin's amazing mustache forever
& the new kids on the block are trying to ruin my preferred hairstyle.
I can think of 6 million other reasons to say fuck those dudes.
Hitler sucked. His followers suck. These Nu-Nazis suck. We can all agree.
But I still think Hitler is a hilarious cartoon character.
When he gets all worked up and his hair goes all crazy...I piss myself.
Such a baffoon.
I come from a school where we make fun of and laugh at everything (beginning with the man in the mirror.).
The article you're citing is about one of the greatest creative minds I've personally come across.
Jim Riswold hates Nazis too.
But he also likes to get a rise out of people.
He actually has a photo on his site of a toy SS soldier on a skateboard.
That shit would really make some of you cry.
The only thing you should dislike about Jim is that he helped Nike become Nike with his Revolution, Bo Knows and Gotta Be The Shoes campaigns. I try not to judge people anymore so I look past his past mistakes.
If I've said/done/written something that offends anyone...
I'm wholeheartedly sorry that you don't get to laugh as much as I do.
Life is a joke. Laugh and enjoy it. You'll wake up dead before you know it.
If you're going to try and destroy my life could you at least spell my name right?
I before E except after C.
Ps. Big fan from way back. Especially GAY. (call me)
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sorry chris, i think everything should be fair game to laugh at too. if you want me to focus this thread i will. i was trying to lampoon slap's irrational zeal for uncovering nazis in their griptape but i kinda got worried that it might manifest real world bullshit for you.
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Uh...guys...could you not?
I believe Vice already fired me years ago.
And I can't really afford to lose my landscaping job.
Do you now how high the grass is in New Jersey???
(rim shot)
Fuck Nazis.
The old guard ruined Charlie Chaplin's amazing mustache forever
& the new kids on the block are trying to ruin my preferred hairstyle.
I can think of 6 million other reasons to say fuck those dudes.
Hitler sucked. His followers suck. These Nu-Nazis suck. We can all agree.
But I still think Hitler is a hilarious cartoon character.
When he gets all worked up and his hair goes all crazy...I piss myself.
Such a baffoon.
I come from a school where we make fun of and laugh at everything (beginning with the man in the mirror.).
The article you're citing is about one of the greatest creative minds I've personally come across.
Jim Riswold hates Nazis too.
But he also likes to get a rise out of people.
He actually has a photo on his site of a toy SS soldier on a skateboard.
That shit would really make some of you cry.
The only thing you should dislike about Jim is that he helped Nike become Nike with his Revolution, Bo Knows and Gotta Be The Shoes campaigns. I try not to judge people anymore so I look past his past mistakes.
If I've said/done/written something that offends anyone...
I'm wholeheartedly sorry that you don't get to laugh as much as I do.
Life is a joke. Laugh and enjoy it. You'll wake up dead before you know it.
If you're going to try and destroy my life could you at least spell my name right?
I before E except after C.
Ps. Big fan from way back. Especially GAY. (call me)
I’ve also heard it’s short, a war, a game, a miracle, and a bitch.
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sorry chris, i think everything should be fair game to laugh at too. if you want me to focus this thread i will. i was trying to lampoon slap's irrational zeal for uncovering nazis in their griptape but i kinda got worried that it might manifest real world bullshit for you.
It's fine. It made me laugh.
Truth is, anyone who knows me knows there is only one race I hate...
https://vimeo.com/256568778
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It’s threads like these that remind you slap is just industry heads and old bitter men. No one can take a fucking joke anymore. It’s either all okay or none of it is and no one wants to remember that when their cause of the week of race or sexuality is involved. Go fucking skate. And kook me more I’m trying to 150 by the end of the week.
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It’s threads like these that remind you slap is just industry heads and old bitter men. No one can take a fucking joke anymore. It’s either all okay or none of it is and no one wants to remember that when their cause of the week of race or sexuality is involved. Go fucking skate. And kook me more I’m trying to 150 by the end of the week.
I Gnar'd you because you are unique and beautiful.
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sorry chris, i think everything should be fair game to laugh at too. if you want me to focus this thread i will. i was trying to lampoon slap's irrational zeal for uncovering nazis in their griptape but i kinda got worried that it might manifest real world bullshit for you.
It's fine. It made me laugh.
Truth is, anyone who knows me knows there is only one race I hate...
https://vimeo.com/256568778
Hi Chris! I drove through Sayreville recently and for ol time sake decided to drive past NJ skate shop and was sad to see it not there anymore :/. You guys threw the best demos around there. Miss those days.
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We wanted peace. So they created punishment.
Ooof that's fire
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I'm ready to die, now.
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You know, I think this shit sucks, not Jason jessee, but how the companies treated this. They're gonna back their boy for decades then drop him when the heat got too hot? Bitches. That's not how skateboarders should act.
Really all comes down people wanting to impose their way of thinking onto others. Like that guy named Hitler wanted to.
I don't think snitching on the internet exists though, unless you use it to submit a tip to them bitchass police. Its just its monitored and can be seen. Its a weird thing.
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You know, I think this shit sucks, not Jason jessee, but how the companies treated this. They're gonna back their boy for decades then drop him when the heat got too hot? Bitches. That's not how skateboarders should act.
Really all comes down people wanting to impose their way of thinking onto others. Like that guy named Hitler wanted to.
I don't think snitching on the internet exists though, unless you use it to submit a tip to them bitchass police. Its just its monitored and can be seen. Its a weird thing.
funny that a troll account is talking about bitches and snitches. post from your regular account with the same shit, fuccboi.
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I'm just not willing to sacrifice my +1021 rep to do that chuck.
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I'm just not willing to sacrifice my +1021 rep to do that chuck.
Go to rehab dude.
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Nazi sympathizers can eat my dick, don't want to get fired don't be a fuckin Nazi
Edit:was speaking on Jessseeee not CN
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Shark Tits is a low-key racist, white-trash junky, but y'all love to gnar him.
SLAP is full of fucking kooks tbh.
All of this 100%...LMAO ;D
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What do I gotta do to join bum sniffers gang where we jack each other off to increase our rep that we totally don’t care at all about? I would love to get the chance to post nothing worthwhile and increase my rep at the same time sell me the snake oil plox I have cash in hand. Whose dick do I gotta suck? Mongoloids? Give me the name of the trailer park you guys are at and I’ll be there ASAP I really really REALLY care about my rep and maybe you guys can help me not care.
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another one of these eh? im pretty sure you know jessee's repeated actions are more extreme and alienating to others than a couple of nieratko's jokes. what is it youre looking to accomplish with these threads? i dont think jessee is actually out on his ass sponsor wise, im sure nhs will quickly re-back him if they actually ever stopped doing so in the first place. i dont think youre trying to justify repping nazi shit either, so is it a knee jerk reaction to what you feel is people being overly sensitive?
do you think its more important that jason jessee gets a pass for saying/wearing racist shit than it is for a huge number of people to feel welcomed and comfortable within the skate community instead of having to worry about being harassed or worse for the way they were born? i know hes just one dude, but had his sponsors stuck by him(and come to think of it, the way most people in the industry responded) it would send the message that that type of hate is tolerated within the industry. i think that would cause a lot of people to feel disconnected and care less about it(industry, hopefully not the act of skating). imagine being a non-white kid hoping to go pro and then finding out the people who run everything are largely fine with others in the industry repping hate against you, itd be disheartening at the very least. i know theres lots of shitty things about it, but racism shouldnt be one.
i think some are arguing that people are overreacting to the symbol, but repping that imagery implies you're against many people's basic right to exist and that can feel very threatening to some(obviously). why do you get to decide how they should react? that remains the same to non-white/non-cis people as well. just because youre not bothered, doesnt mean everyone else should feel the same. lastly if you arent of the racist mentality(as jason says he isnt), why would you want to appear as someone who is? if he wanted to be shocking he could just wear a few more hats at a time or let his peener hang out on a couple of those fs airs.
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another one of these eh? im pretty sure you know jessee's repeated actions are more extreme and alienating to others than a couple of nieratko's jokes. what is it youre looking to accomplish with these threads? i dont think jessee is actually out on his ass sponsor wise, im sure nhs will quickly re-back him if they actually ever stopped doing so in the first place. i dont think youre trying to justify repping nazi shit either, so is it a knee jerk reaction to what you feel is people being overly sensitive?
do you think its more important that jason jessee gets a pass for saying/wearing racist shit than it is for a huge number of people to feel welcomed and comfortable within the skate community instead of having to worry about being harassed or worse for the way they were born? i know hes just one dude, but had his sponsors stuck by him(and come to think of it, the way most people in the industry responded) it would send the message that that type of hate is tolerated within the industry. i think that would cause a lot of people to feel disconnected and care less about it(industry, hopefully not the act of skating). imagine being a non-white kid hoping to go pro and then finding out the people who run everything are largely fine with others in the industry repping hate against you, itd be disheartening at the very least. i know theres lots of shitty things about it, but racism shouldnt be one.
i think some are arguing that people are overreacting to the symbol, but repping that imagery implies you're against many people's basic right to exist and that can feel very threatening to some(obviously). why do you get to decide how they should react? that remains the same to non-white/non-cis people as well. just because youre not bothered, doesnt mean everyone else should feel the same. lastly if you arent of the racist mentality(as jason says he isnt), why would you want to appear as someone who is? if he wanted to be shocking he could just wear a few more hats at a time or let his peener hang out on a couple of those fs airs.
i guess i don't see it as alienating as ya'll do. i might be unsympathetic to what it's like to be a minority skater but i feel like people are being overly sensitive. at any rate, i like to have a dialogue to what the actual line is not just a cavalcade of 'fuck jason jessee'. hitler wasn't the killer, it was his followers you had to watch out for [and that goes for every asshole who signs up for a military that invades and doesn't just defend it's borders].
some people drew the line that if you're not against 'white supremacy' then you're for it. ok, accepting that premise, i was throwing chris in front of the bus. i'm sure i can find a ton more.
i'm taking the piss but also, i'd be into real conversations.
how can people say 'poor whites are voting against their own self interest, so stupid' yet also believe they're a massive white conspiracy. like if there was, how'd it miss so many? why'd they fight each other to liberate the slaves?
if i have any agenda, it would be that we're all pieces of shit at the bottom but if we're blaming each other, getting triggered by minutia we're not looking up.
as someone said, it should be all of us vs the upper class.
it's bigger than hip hop skating.
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i guess the main difference is some view at minutiae and others dont. i know what youre saying, its not productive to all pile on and attack the guy, but i think it should be brought to his attention that a lot of people arent supportive of his actions and he should reconsider how he acts going forward. i know it didnt exactly go that way though.
i think a lot of people were referring to the companies that back him when arguing "if youre not against it, youre for it" logic. as in if those companies take a passive approach theyre continuing to support a (wannabe, i guess)nazi.
when you make threads like this and the other(s?) you started, it doesnt come across like you wanna have a real conversation. youre just making fun of anyone who disagrees with you. also you can be against the ultra rich and nazi's at the same time.
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i guess the main difference is some view at minutiae and others dont. i know what youre saying, its not productive to all pile on and attack the guy, but i think it should be brought to his attention that a lot of people arent supportive of his actions and he should reconsider how he acts going forward. i know it didnt exactly go that way though.
i think a lot of people were referring to the companies that back him when arguing "if youre not against it, youre for it" logic. as in if those companies take a passive approach theyre continuing to support a (wannabe, i guess)nazi.
when you make threads like this and the other(s?) you started, it doesnt come across like you wanna have a real conversation. youre just making fun of anyone who disagrees with you. also you can be against the ultra rich and nazi's at the same time.
i reckon you can but i don't think most people are. i think it's jumping on a trendy topic. nobody gives a shit who makes their shoes or other actual oppressions but it's hip to slag a guy for symbols. or for being friends w/ him.
whole thing reminds me of fixing the windshield wipers on a car w/ a busted windshield.
yeah, i spose i was more making fun than going for a good dialogue but it's just a circuitous route. when people have crowd psychology they don't wanna talk reasonably.
it's not so much opinions i disagree w/ [i disagree w/ racism too] just when everyone's in lockstep.
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I think we all know where we stand individually. This type of arguing does nothing good for your brain.
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You’re confusing democrat/republican policy for left/right policy
Horseshoe theory is super popular with dumb people right now
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You’re confusing democrat/republican policy for left/right policy
Horseshoe theory is super popular with dumb people right now
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another one of these eh? im pretty sure you know jessee's repeated actions are more extreme and alienating to others than a couple of nieratko's jokes. what is it youre looking to accomplish with these threads? i dont think jessee is actually out on his ass sponsor wise, im sure nhs will quickly re-back him if they actually ever stopped doing so in the first place. i dont think youre trying to justify repping nazi shit either, so is it a knee jerk reaction to what you feel is people being overly sensitive?
do you think its more important that jason jessee gets a pass for saying/wearing racist shit than it is for a huge number of people to feel welcomed and comfortable within the skate community instead of having to worry about being harassed or worse for the way they were born? i know hes just one dude, but had his sponsors stuck by him(and come to think of it, the way most people in the industry responded) it would send the message that that type of hate is tolerated within the industry. i think that would cause a lot of people to feel disconnected and care less about it(industry, hopefully not the act of skating). imagine being a non-white kid hoping to go pro and then finding out the people who run everything are largely fine with others in the industry repping hate against you, itd be disheartening at the very least. i know theres lots of shitty things about it, but racism shouldnt be one.
i think some are arguing that people are overreacting to the symbol, but repping that imagery implies you're against many people's basic right to exist and that can feel very threatening to some(obviously). why do you get to decide how they should react? that remains the same to non-white/non-cis people as well. just because youre not bothered, doesnt mean everyone else should feel the same. lastly if you arent of the racist mentality(as jason says he isnt), why would you want to appear as someone who is? if he wanted to be shocking he could just wear a few more hats at a time or let his peener hang out on a couple of those fs airs.
some people drew the line that if you're not against 'white supremacy' then you're for it. ok, accepting that premise, i was throwing chris in front of the bus. i'm sure i can find a ton more.
i'm taking the piss but also, i'd be into real conversations.
how can people say 'poor whites are voting against their own self interest, so stupid' yet also believe they're a massive white conspiracy. like if there was, how'd it miss so many? why'd they fight each other to liberate the slaves?
if i have any agenda, it would be that we're all pieces of shit at the bottom but if we're blaming each other, getting triggered by minutia we're not looking up.
as someone said, it should be all of us vs the upper class.
it's bigger than hip hop skating.
you think? its super easy for white guys to just be like "whats the big deal" when racism isnt targeting them. go read the comments on clydes post or those instagram posts and look at all the people sharing their stories about not feeling comfortable or experiencing straight up racism around other skaters.
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Why does anyone even respond to this moron's posts anymore?
Sniff tha Butthole is easily one of the dumbest people on here.
"YO I AIN"T GOT NO EDUMACATION BUT I USE YOUTUBE FOR THE TRUTH."
Just a beautiful example of the internet giving empirically stupid people a platform to voice their shit "takes".
Now log off, because the library has other patrons that need the computers.
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Chris Neiratko is one of the nicest and most inclusive people you will ever meet.
This is another bull shit thread. OP, you should do the right thing and delete this.
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and RE: horseshoe theory: can you point to an intersection between leftwing policy and rightwing policy, or are you just talking out of your ass?
"You're either with us or against us"
Ie. Nationalism
nationalism is not a left wing concept
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Why does anyone even respond to this moron's posts anymore?
Sniff tha Butthole is easily one of the dumbest people on here.
"YO I AIN"T GOT NO EDUMACATION BUT I USE YOUTUBE FOR THE TRUTH."
Just a beautiful example of the internet giving empirically stupid people a platform to voice their shit "takes".
Now log off, because the library has other patrons that need the computers.
i'm from the hood stupid, what type of facts are those?
to nopes, i never thought of that. maybe if i were a kid at the vert ramp that would be intimidating.
to dwyck, nationalism might not be but genocide is. hitler's capitalist genocide had nothing on mao or stalin's socialist ones. hierarchies are fucked up. we can trace it back to agriculture but short of bombing ourselves back to neo-primitivism i don't see a way around it.
individuals never committed genocide, it was always true believers in groups.
sfa, i offered chris to take it down, he said it made him laugh so i let it stay.
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individuals never committed genocide
What a strange thing to say... I mean, individuals never built a car. What's your point?
it was always true believers in groups.
Nope, regular people commit genocide. A great example is the German Reserve Unit 101 in WW2, but there are many other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Browning#Ordinary_Men
Stalin and Mao may have been responsible for more deaths, but the scope, the extent of detailed planning, the methodology, and the mortality rate in Hitler's extermination camps exceeds any other genocide in human history. Holocaust really is a singularity.
This is perhaps why people are so sensitive (and rightly so) to idiots who want to "shock" by wearing swastikas.
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fake and gay
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Chris has been known for making narky racist comments since forever. He has always given off a strong racist authoritarian vibe.
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Chris has been known for making narky racist comments since forever. He has always given off a strong racist authoritarian vibe.
You sound dumb.
Op. I hope that’s true, and it sounds accurate.
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Chris has been known for making narky racist comments since forever. He has always given off a strong racist authoritarian vibe.
You sound dumb.
Op. I hope that’s true, and it sounds accurate.
I can't believe the mental gymnastics some of you older slap posters will go through to defend all these racist old men. Racists WILL not be tolerated at all in skateboarding.
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and RE: horseshoe theory: can you point to an intersection between leftwing policy and rightwing policy, or are you just talking out of your ass?
"You're either with us or against us"
Ie. Nationalism
nationalism is not a left wing concept
It's not a right wing concept either, but it is a point at which right and left intersect, or that's what i'm suggesting anyway.
An example of this would be the type of economic policies and practices common to both left and right, which benefit individuals or groups at the expense of those not within the group.
It's the reason a company like Converse might have their stuff made in China for instance. Business schools teach this all over the world, and they make it clear that it isn't ideologically of the left or of the right. Of course they try to say it's not ideological at all which i disagree with, but that's another story.
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Chris has been known for making narky racist comments since forever. He has always given off a strong racist authoritarian vibe.
You sound dumb.
Op. I hope that’s true, and it sounds accurate.
I can't believe the mental gymnastics some of you older slap posters will go through to defend all these racist old men. Racists WILL not be tolerated at all in skateboarding.
You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
So, you think this "humor" is funny.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbz8jw/epicly-made-over-985-v16n8
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbz8jw/epicly-made-over-985-v16n8
You forget he's writing for Vice
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
it’s not offensive and it’s not hard to understand. it’s just kinda amusing at times but not funny.
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Please I need more kook from bum sniff and the legion of gnarbags, I still care about my rep I need to be part of your secret club so that I can learn to no longer care about my rep. I never realized the answer to not caring was daily gnars amongst butt buddies. I’m serious hit me with the address to your trailer park and I’ll come suck mongoloids peener so that I can join the slap rep Illuminati. I know all about your bros initiation and I’m cool with it even though I’m not a huge fan of roaches and asbestos, did you kook me to 33 for masonry purposes? There’s so much I still need to learn
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbz8jw/epicly-made-over-985-v16n8
(https://media.giphy.com/media/VYSw1FgT2lfI4/giphy.gif)
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbz8jw/epicly-made-over-985-v16n8
Ohh Mother
Please I need more kook from bum sniff and the legion of gnarbags, I still care about my rep I need to be part of your secret club so that I can learn to no longer care about my rep. I never realized the answer to not caring was daily gnars amongst butt buddies. I’m serious hit me with the address to your trailer park and I’ll come suck mongoloids peener so that I can join the slap rep Illuminati. I know all about your bros initiation and I’m cool with it even though I’m not a huge fan of roaches and asbestos, did you kook me to 33 for masonry purposes? There’s so much I still need to learn
Write slap on your asshole and post a pic
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbz8jw/epicly-made-over-985-v16n8
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Please I need more kook from bum sniff and the legion of gnarbags, I still care about my rep I need to be part of your secret club so that I can learn to no longer care about my rep. I never realized the answer to not caring was daily gnars amongst butt buddies. I’m serious hit me with the address to your trailer park and I’ll come suck mongoloids peener so that I can join the slap rep Illuminati. I know all about your bros initiation and I’m cool with it even though I’m not a huge fan of roaches and asbestos, did you kook me to 33 for masonry purposes? There’s so much I still need to learn
I dunno I was interested in the actual
Slap Illuminati I would for bum sniff or mongoloid but not some budget off brand slappal with morals like yourself. Demonstrate your powers and then I’ll consider it.
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Actually let me refrase this.
You may either not under stand his humor
Or you just don’t know enough about the guy
Or you’re soft
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbz8jw/epicly-made-over-985-v16n8
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Please I need more kook from bum sniff and the legion of gnarbags, I still care about my rep I need to be part of your secret club so that I can learn to no longer care about my rep. I never realized the answer to not caring was daily gnars amongst butt buddies. I’m serious hit me with the address to your trailer park and I’ll come suck mongoloids peener so that I can join the slap rep Illuminati. I know all about your bros initiation and I’m cool with it even though I’m not a huge fan of roaches and asbestos, did you kook me to 33 for masonry purposes? There’s so much I still need to learn
Slap Illuminati I would for bum sniff or mongoloid but not some budget off brand slappal with morals like yourself. Demonstrate your powers and then I’ll consider it.
I have zero powers but the people are always watching
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Nieratko's response to this is hilarious.
Guys, he's not Jason Jessee.
He's a shit starter, a paid troll before the term even existed.
He's the guy who nearly ruined Duffel's career in an interview.
Pretty sure at least one of the infamous Andy Roy big brother interviews
He always touches on controversial shit to make people uncomfortable, or just to make fun of uncomfortable topics.
Nobody thinks he's a racist.
If anything, this proves the Jason Jessee shit is legitimate.
Plenty of people have followed stupid trends, made bad jokes, used swastikas as some form of "shock appeal."
Jessee is different, which is why his shit caught on, and all of these bait threads aren't actually working. The accusations against Jason of being a nazi are legitimate. Nieratko at worst sometimes takes his edgy form of journalism/humor too far, but honestly, the main message of the article seemed to be "make fun of nazis, it pisses them off more than hating them does."
Don't worry Nieratko, Slap isn't actually coming for your non-existent job at Vice.
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So is your stance on the Jason Jessee thing that he was just joking around for 30 years and doesn’t deserve this?
if all your bad ass grand dads killed one nazi and called it a day, it really would have made russia have to fight extra hard to stop germany.
remember when muska said 'niggas is fake, honkies is real'? white supremacy!
make them all commit suicide w/ their gfs in a bunker then high five about your moral superiority.
Somebody’s having a bad week
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Disney Adventures > Big Brother
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https://www.vogue.com/article/brujas-feminist-skate-crew
Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
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https://www.vogue.com/article/brujas-feminist-skate-crew
Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
that's one way to look at it since we love marisa but in his own way he was ballsy for that. some jokes don't land but he's always taken chances, hassled rappers and fucked w/ interview subjects.
you're quoting a vogue article, chris could shit in a hat and it's worth more than vogue's best skate coverage.
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https://www.vogue.com/article/brujas-feminist-skate-crew
Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
you're quoting a vogue article, chris could shit in a hat and it's worth more than vogue's best skate coverage.
IMHO, When Earl Parker and Mike Ballard left and Chris came in to Big Brother, the quality of the magazine fell off.
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https://www.vogue.com/article/brujas-feminist-skate-crew
Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
you're quoting a vogue article, chris could shit in a hat and it's worth more than vogue's best skate coverage.
He pissed off Danzig REALLY badly in one interview, it was hilarious. He def put his life on the line in some interviews, pills and booze can really make ya fearless!
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Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
you're quoting a vogue article, chris could shit in a hat and it's worth more than vogue's best skate coverage.
IMHO, When Earl Parker and Mike Ballard left and Chris came in to Big Brother, the quality of the magazine fell off.
I really wish someone would compile every article Earl Parker ever wrote for BB, that dude was hilarious and amazing. His Instagram is a good'un, used to talk to him on Facebook chat all the time.
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Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
you're quoting a vogue article, chris could shit in a hat and it's worth more than vogue's best skate coverage.
IMHO, When Earl Parker and Mike Ballard left and Chris came in to Big Brother, the quality of the magazine fell off.
i usedta think say 'chris neiratko ruined big brother' and sure, i missed earl parker and some of the one of writers but in retrospect i wonder if it wasn't the same timeline as flynt buying it?
i usedta dig chris neiratko in [was it called heckler?] that weird snow/skate/rap magazine and i liked him again in vice, he just wasnt' my favorite in BB.
granted, that's one hell of a magazine to step into for anyone and i liked it better when i could read chris neiratko every month than now when i can't.
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another one of these eh? im pretty sure you know jessee's repeated actions are more extreme and alienating to others than a couple of nieratko's jokes. what is it youre looking to accomplish with these threads? i dont think jessee is actually out on his ass sponsor wise, im sure nhs will quickly re-back him if they actually ever stopped doing so in the first place. i dont think youre trying to justify repping nazi shit either, so is it a knee jerk reaction to what you feel is people being overly sensitive?
do you think its more important that jason jessee gets a pass for saying/wearing racist shit than it is for a huge number of people to feel welcomed and comfortable within the skate community instead of having to worry about being harassed or worse for the way they were born? i know hes just one dude, but had his sponsors stuck by him(and come to think of it, the way most people in the industry responded) it would send the message that that type of hate is tolerated within the industry. i think that would cause a lot of people to feel disconnected and care less about it(industry, hopefully not the act of skating). imagine being a non-white kid hoping to go pro and then finding out the people who run everything are largely fine with others in the industry repping hate against you, itd be disheartening at the very least. i know theres lots of shitty things about it, but racism shouldnt be one.
i think some are arguing that people are overreacting to the symbol, but repping that imagery implies you're against many people's basic right to exist and that can feel very threatening to some(obviously). why do you get to decide how they should react? that remains the same to non-white/non-cis people as well. just because youre not bothered, doesnt mean everyone else should feel the same. lastly if you arent of the racist mentality(as jason says he isnt), why would you want to appear as someone who is? if he wanted to be shocking he could just wear a few more hats at a time or let his peener hang out on a couple of those fs airs.
i think you've made these points as well as anyone can make them and they make a lot of sense.
i think jason jesse is the biggest kook and i'm surprised the guy has a career. he's got more of a tapout vibe than skater vibe.
that said don't you think a whole lot of what your saying would also applying to satanism, drug culture (especially with minors involved) and a lot of other elements of skating culture. surely a ton of folks would find these things offensive and thrasher uses a lot of satanic imagery in mostly trolling type ways, baker has made a brand out of drug culture with minors, there's a ton of things you could call out.
i just think it would have been better if instead of taking advantage of big corps influence and it's PC sensitivity (which really has fuck all to do with skate culture is really diametrically opposed to it) we could have instead have effected the demand side of things. people are buying these products and that means that they either don't care or don't know. if all we accomplished is taking the product off the self, did we really get that much done? and what's the next offensive element of skating that we might sacrifice to this? what happens with the revive kooks out some pro's for offending their beliefs?
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https://www.vogue.com/article/brujas-feminist-skate-crew
Gil remembers her class dissecting an old Vice article in which pro skateboarder Marisa Dal Santo got a makeover. “It was one of the most violent, ironic pieces,” she remembered. “They were trying to get her to kiss a boy for the first time and talking about how girls who skate have no style. It was incredible,” she said. “I read that article when I just started skating. It was so discouraging. Especially for someone like Marisa Dal Santo, who’s, like, a legend.”
Neiratko is such a cringy piece of shit. Vice is also a dumpster fire.
you're quoting a vogue article, chris could shit in a hat and it's worth more than vogue's best skate coverage.
IMHO, When Earl Parker and Mike Ballard left and Chris came in to Big Brother, the quality of the magazine fell off.
i usedta dig chris neiratko in [was it called heckler?] that weird snow/skate/rap magazine and i liked him again in vice, he just wasnt' my favorite in BB.
granted, that's one hell of a magazine to step into for anyone and i liked it better when i could read chris neiratko every month than now when i can't.
today i learned heckler magazine is still around. jeez i forgot all about them but i think i remember them having so good interviews with dudes like scott bourne before they were getting thrasher coverage.
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remember they stole the rights to chris neiratko's name?
that's why he started as pi$$ negrotaco at big brother. some vince mcmahon shit.
haha, i think he was already a smartass wigger [and ghostface's son?] back then.
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another one of these eh? im pretty sure you know jessee's repeated actions are more extreme and alienating to others than a couple of nieratko's jokes. what is it youre looking to accomplish with these threads? i dont think jessee is actually out on his ass sponsor wise, im sure nhs will quickly re-back him if they actually ever stopped doing so in the first place. i dont think youre trying to justify repping nazi shit either, so is it a knee jerk reaction to what you feel is people being overly sensitive?
do you think its more important that jason jessee gets a pass for saying/wearing racist shit than it is for a huge number of people to feel welcomed and comfortable within the skate community instead of having to worry about being harassed or worse for the way they were born? i know hes just one dude, but had his sponsors stuck by him(and come to think of it, the way most people in the industry responded) it would send the message that that type of hate is tolerated within the industry. i think that would cause a lot of people to feel disconnected and care less about it(industry, hopefully not the act of skating). imagine being a non-white kid hoping to go pro and then finding out the people who run everything are largely fine with others in the industry repping hate against you, itd be disheartening at the very least. i know theres lots of shitty things about it, but racism shouldnt be one.
i think some are arguing that people are overreacting to the symbol, but repping that imagery implies you're against many people's basic right to exist and that can feel very threatening to some(obviously). why do you get to decide how they should react? that remains the same to non-white/non-cis people as well. just because youre not bothered, doesnt mean everyone else should feel the same. lastly if you arent of the racist mentality(as jason says he isnt), why would you want to appear as someone who is? if he wanted to be shocking he could just wear a few more hats at a time or let his peener hang out on a couple of those fs airs.
i think you've made these points as well as anyone can make them and they make a lot of sense.
i think jason jesse is the biggest kook and i'm surprised the guy has a career. he's got more of a tapout vibe than skater vibe.
that said don't you think a whole lot of what your saying would also applying to satanism, drug culture (especially with minors involved) and a lot of other elements of skating culture. surely a ton of folks would find these things offensive and thrasher uses a lot of satanic imagery in mostly trolling type ways, baker has made a brand out of drug culture with minors, there's a ton of things you could call out.
i just think it would have been better if instead of taking advantage of big corps influence and it's PC sensitivity (which really has fuck all to do with skate culture is really diametrically opposed to it) we could have instead have effected the demand side of things. people are buying these products and that means that they either don't care or don't know. if all we accomplished is taking the product off the self, did we really get that much done? and what's the next offensive element of skating that we might sacrifice to this? what happens with the revive kooks out some pro's for offending their beliefs?
i hear ya sleazy. i dont have kids, so the baker/thrasher stuff you mentioned doesnt jump out to me right away, but i cant deny (at least when it comes to baker(i thought satanism was relatively innocent these days and in most cases not sacrificing animals and doing violent shit like that)) their use of drugs and alcohol to push a company mostly aimed at children is pretty bad. i know i ate that shit up when i was younger. kids are easily influenced and that kinda shit doesnt help, but i dont see drug use being as bad as hate. at least youre mostly inflicting harm on yourself(could argue it does affect your circle of friends/family) instead of others. baker's kind of switched up a bit since those guys all went sober though, no?
i can sympathize a tiny bit for the guy after getting stripped of his sponsors(although i still think he'll get back on NHS at least, probably cons too), but i think what it accomplishes is it shows him and others that repping racist stuff isnt tolerated and maybe thats enough to sway others from wearing it too. if they see someone whos revered wearing swastikas and not getting called out maybe they'll have the confidence to as well, even if its just to be "edgy".
again, im not disagreeing about the baker thing, but i think the reason people arent super vocal about that is because drinking and drugs is so prevalent in society that it feels like avoiding it is an impossible battle to win, so i think most would rather try to teach their kids about moderation than try to shelter their kids entirely from drinking and drug use. also, we may disagree on this, but i think you can dabble with booze and drugs in a fairly innocent way that you cant with bigotry. most parents drink here and there, most dont occasionally brandish a swastika on their jacket. i havent been skating since the beginning, so i cant say, but during my 20ish years i can't remember any openly racist pros. as in keeping nazi's out of the skate industry or at least from getting paid by it is an obtainable goal vs something like trying to suppress the culture of drinking and drugs within skating because its so prevalent. not saying thats a good excuse, but its easier to be passionate about something you think you can change or affect. same with people questioning why people arent more up in arms about cons' factory/labor conditions. short of making your own shoes, you dont have a ton of options. not to mention its a lot more complex of an issue than someone wearing nazi symbols, so if people arent educated on it, i dont think its wrong they stay silent. sure these larger issues need to be talked about and solved, but i dont think that means smaller issues cant be addressed as well.
i dont know for certain, but i think if everyone agreed that him wearing nazi stuff was awful(not saying they have to) that thread would be 8 pages instead of 80 and counting. its mostly the bickering between the sides thats kept it going. so the people trying to defend jessee are actually keeping the thread relevant and in a way bringing damage to him. again, pure speculation, but i dunno if he woulda got dropped by his sponsors if that thread only lasted a couple days. look at the daryl thread, you have to be pretty scummy to defend him, so i think thats why that one's only at 10 pages. its good that people are bumping it though. sorry for the super fucking long post
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that all makes a ton of sense zurg. seeing the thing with rosane play out yesterday is so similar and it definitely seems like CBS did the right thing there and this situation is no different. your point about people sympathizing makes a lot of sense too but i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it.
my main caution with all this was that it just felt like we are reaching out to big corp to help us police things. with the olympics right around the corner i can't help but wonder how far corps could take it. pros make their living off nike, cons, etc... these days so they have a ton of power and influence and it would suck if they started regulating. but i guess the nba and nfl are full of people doing all kinds of awful shit so maybe it's not that big a deal. i've just always liked the sketchy, dirty side of skating too so i'd hate to see that get regulated to heavily from outside of the culture. but i'm probably missing how important it is to pick the right issues and go after them. i'm probably falling into the nra's shitty "slippery slope" argument here.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
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I feel like all these rules you guys want are gonna backfire on your ass. I thought it was pretty cool we could have all kinds of fucked up people, and all kinds of not fucked up people representing skateboarding together under the industry umbrella. Not no more though, we have rules we must follow now.
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I feel like all these rules you guys want are gonna backfire on your ass. I thought it was pretty cool we could have all kinds of fucked up people, and all kinds of not fucked up people representing skateboarding together under the industry umbrella. Not no more though, we have rules we must follow now.
Repeat to yourself what I put in bold, then think "does racism encourage or discourage this kind of community?"
Because I agree with your point about diversity in skateboarding. But to me that means we have men and women, gay and straight, all ethnicities, all class backgrounds, and all types of personalities that don't interfere with the diversity of skateboarding. That's why racism has no place in skateboarding, because ANYBODY should be allowed to pick up a skateboard and feel welcome, not just anybody who falls under jason jessee's definition of the ubermenschen.
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amazing how much time you spend on here telling people to get a life. color me impressed.
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I feel like all these rules you guys want are gonna backfire on your ass. I thought it was pretty cool we could have all kinds of fucked up people, and all kinds of not fucked up people representing skateboarding together under the industry umbrella. Not no more though, we have rules we must follow now.
Because I agree with your point about diversity in skateboarding. But to me that means we have men and women, gay and straight, all ethnicities, all class backgrounds, and all types of personalities that don't interfere with the diversity of skateboarding. That's why racism has no place in skateboarding, because ANYBODY should be allowed to pick up a skateboard and feel welcome, not just anybody who falls under jason jessee's definition of the ubermenschen.
yeah, but does putting all these constraints on social expectations actually remedy racism? or does it push it into the darkness where it can fester without being checked since it's hiding from the masses? you can argue either side to death, either way there's no right answer. racism is going to happen regardless of what we say or do, but i appreciate that people can out themselves so people who disagree with their sentiments can avoid them. i have a feeling closeted racism will be a thing, and in the future we'll be buying boards with the names of closeted racists on them that well never be able to identify.
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Surprised you have time for a life of your own with all the dog fucking you do. Must wear you out.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
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I feel like all these rules you guys want are gonna backfire on your ass. I thought it was pretty cool we could have all kinds of fucked up people, and all kinds of not fucked up people representing skateboarding together under the industry umbrella. Not no more though, we have rules we must follow now.
Because I agree with your point about diversity in skateboarding. But to me that means we have men and women, gay and straight, all ethnicities, all class backgrounds, and all types of personalities that don't interfere with the diversity of skateboarding. That's why racism has no place in skateboarding, because ANYBODY should be allowed to pick up a skateboard and feel welcome, not just anybody who falls under jason jessee's definition of the ubermenschen.
yeah, but does putting all these constraints on social expectations actually remedy racism? or does it push it into the darkness where it can fester without being checked since it's hiding from the masses? you can argue either side to death, either way there's no right answer. racism is going to happen regardless of what we say or do, but i appreciate that people can out themselves so people who disagree with their sentiments can avoid them. i have a feeling closeted racism will be a thing, and in the future we'll be buying boards with the names of closeted racists on them that well never be able to identify.
If it festers in the dark its fine as long as it doesn't exist in daylight. Yeah, some people are shitty. Those shitty people can keep that bullshit to themselves and stop harassing religious minorities, people of color, women, LGBT people and the world will be a better place for all of the people mentioned. Also, their bullshit ideology won't spread. Win-win.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
Reminds me of a quote from the brilliant Kwame Ture (previously known as Stokely Carmichael) "If a man wants to lynch me, that's his problem. If a man wants to lynch me and has the power to do so, then its my problem"
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
again, my point isn't that racism is ok. my point is that overly aggressive PC culture has resulting in a lot of annoying crap that a lot of people don't like like safe spaces and micro aggressions. on top of that people on the left have a tendency to just assume that anyone who wants to secure borders or be cautious about immigrants coming from muslim countries is a racists. "racism is bad" is a simple, binary idea but the rest of this nuanced. shutting down dialog by immediately calling people names isn't helpful and the part of trumps voter pool who aren't actually racist constantly being called racist has a lot to do with why trump is in the white house.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
again, my point isn't that racism is ok. my point is that overly aggressive PC culture has resulting in a lot of annoying crap that a lot of people don't like like safe spaces and micro aggressions. on top of that people on the left have a tendency to just assume that anyone who wants to secure borders or be cautious about immigrants coming from muslim countries is a racists. "racism is bad" is a simple, binary idea but the rest of this nuanced. shutting down dialog by immediately calling people names isn't helpful and the part of trumps voter pool who aren't actually racist constantly being called racist has a lot to do with why trump is in the white house.
1) Assuming somebody coming from a muslim country is a problem or something to be cautious about is pure racism. There's no other way to describe it.
2) Anyone that wants to secure the border? Are you referencing Donald Trump and his "Mexico is sending rapists and drug dealers" claim when he brought back the issue? Because that is also CLEARLY racist. Interesting fact: The U.S. has had negative net migration since 2009. So claiming that a problem that doesn't exist is a problem, then claiming that people of an ethnicity who come to our nation are all criminals causing every imaginable problem in this nation (rape, drugs, unemployment) despite the fact that more of them are leaving than coming is definitely racist.
I think a lot of the "PC OPPRESSION!!!" claims are by people who don't want to examine their own racism, and preferred the days when they could say racist stuff without question.
Those days were good for straight, white, christian, men. Everybody else, not so much.
For the record, I don't think you are a racist sleazy, though maybe its worth having a more critical view of those who are so furious about the idea of a tolerant society.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
again, my point isn't that racism is ok. my point is that overly aggressive PC culture has resulting in a lot of annoying crap that a lot of people don't like like safe spaces and micro aggressions. on top of that people on the left have a tendency to just assume that anyone who wants to secure borders or be cautious about immigrants coming from muslim countries is a racists. "racism is bad" is a simple, binary idea but the rest of this nuanced. shutting down dialog by immediately calling people names isn't helpful and the part of trumps voter pool who aren't actually racist constantly being called racist has a lot to do with why trump is in the white house.
I guess you're right people started calling me a socialist because I was advocating for single payer and now I'm a Stalinist advocating for gulags.
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@Sleazy: And my point is that being anti-PC is a fig leaf for racists, because these people aren't rebelling against micro-agressions or similar concepts, but against societal norms that don't condone or reward open racist, sexist, etc. behaviour. Safe spaces exist more or less only on college campuses. Can you tell me how exactly they impacted the vast majority of Trump's voters (or vast majority of voters in general)? This still smacks of victim blaming.
Also, voters who voted for a racist/sexist/etc but aren't those things themselves definitely don't deserve anyone's pity if they get lumped in with them, because they knew what they were getting. Literally any other candidate would have been a more reasonable choice for the right (horrible as they were), but they chose the worst one.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
again, my point isn't that racism is ok. my point is that overly aggressive PC culture has resulting in a lot of annoying crap that a lot of people don't like like safe spaces and micro aggressions. on top of that people on the left have a tendency to just assume that anyone who wants to secure borders or be cautious about immigrants coming from muslim countries is a racists. "racism is bad" is a simple, binary idea but the rest of this nuanced. shutting down dialog by immediately calling people names isn't helpful and the part of trumps voter pool who aren't actually racist constantly being called racist has a lot to do with why trump is in the white house.
what exactly is this? i get the feeling you are using this exactly the same way that you are complaining about people saying all trump supporters are racist.
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I don’t call people snowflakes. but that term got tossed around a lot. jason jessee has multiple income streams and will be just fine. he owns a goddamn oceanfront naziland ranch.
Oddly enough jason jesse does not own his property, it's this other weird nazi guy that rents it to him. Jason was a serious drug addict with no real income for many years and as a consequence has almost no money.
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I don’t call people snowflakes. but that term got tossed around a lot. jason jessee has multiple income streams and will be just fine. he owns a goddamn oceanfront naziland ranch.
Oddly enough jason jesse does not own his property, it's this other weird nazi guy that rents it to him. Jason was a serious drug addict with no real income for many years and as a consequence has almost no money.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
again, my point isn't that racism is ok. my point is that overly aggressive PC culture has resulting in a lot of annoying crap that a lot of people don't like like safe spaces and micro aggressions. on top of that people on the left have a tendency to just assume that anyone who wants to secure borders or be cautious about immigrants coming from muslim countries is a racists. "racism is bad" is a simple, binary idea but the rest of this nuanced. shutting down dialog by immediately calling people names isn't helpful and the part of trumps voter pool who aren't actually racist constantly being called racist has a lot to do with why trump is in the white house.
i know you catch a lot of shit on here but you've always been one of my favorite things about this place way to back to the turkey lurkey days so much respect for doing what you do on here.
1) Assuming somebody coming from a muslim country is a problem or something to be cautious about is pure racism. There's no other way to describe it.
2) Anyone that wants to secure the border? Are you referencing Donald Trump and his "Mexico is sending rapists and drug dealers" claim when he brought back the issue? Because that is also CLEARLY racist. Interesting fact: The U.S. has had negative net migration since 2009. So claiming that a problem that doesn't exist is a problem, then claiming that people of an ethnicity who come to our nation are all criminals causing every imaginable problem in this nation (rape, drugs, unemployment) despite the fact that more of them are leaving than coming is definitely racist.
I think a lot of the "PC OPPRESSION!!!" claims are by people who don't want to examine their own racism, and preferred the days when they could say racist stuff without question.
Those days were good for straight, white, christian, men. Everybody else, not so much.
For the record, I don't think you are a racist sleazy, though maybe its worth having a more critical view of those who are so furious about the idea of a tolerant society.
you've always been one of my favorite things about this place going back to the turkey lurkey days and i always value your perspective and look forward to you chiming in man even though i disagree with some things you say you always make me think harder about topics and i appreciate that.
1) muslim is not a race, it's a religion, so at a minimum you've got a semantic problem. however, i know what you are saying so ignoring that pedantic point and assuming it's racism then we have "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." if you will concede that muslim is a set of beliefs then i will put forth that nazis, catholics are also not races but people following organized belief systems. all 3 are dangerous in the right context to certain groups. i don't let my kids around catholic preachers, especially not alone. am i being racist? or am i being cautious about real problem with an ideology? we all know most people on here feel very strongly against nazis and i would put myself in that group as it's clearly a shitty belief system and even though there are folks who are kind of ignorant, kooky but not violent about it, like jason jesse, there are also people who kill and have committed genocide, so clearly a really dangerous set of beliefs in the right context. the muslim belief system also has dangerous elements and you'd have to have your head way down in the sand to not look at recent history and realize that that belief structure can be both powerful and dangerous. so i disagree, sorry... someone who is for tightening down the review process for immigrants in those circumstances with countless case studies to show how this can be dangerous doesn't make you a racist. your not asserting one race has superiority to another, your not even talking about races. you are just saying, that a set of beliefs can be dangerous and that we should vet folks that subscribe to those beliefs a little harder especially if they come from areas where the beliefs system has been abused (not saying this was done well but saying if you assume that). asserting that anyone that falls anywhere on this side of the spectrum is a morally corrupt racist is part of the problem with our current political environment. you immediately shutdown and chance of accomplishing anything productive. i think we'd all do a little better with less name calling and more rational debate
2) you seem to think that everyone that wants to have a more secure borders has to have perfect alignment with trumps problematic way of approaching the issue while completely ignoring that maybe people should just migrate to this country legally. what's the problem with that everyone following the same rules and more so what's the problem with enforcing the laws on the current books? for a long time we have had a mostly meaningless boarder. my business partner lives in new delhi. we'd love for him to live and work here in the us but currently we just can't make that happen. so your assertion is that we are both racist because we think it's unfair that all the other people just ignore the rules and walk into the country because we share a border? and again we can't really discuss it because you immediately go to pejoratives and shut down any hope of rational debate. again a big part of the current problem with the political conversation in this country.
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i kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist, and I don't feel like giving them an out by blaming the non-racist/hateful group for their shitty beliefs.
i'm probably doing a shit job of making the point i was trying to make.
i think part of trumps success was pc being forced down everyone throats in every way and extreme new concepts like safe spaces and micro aggressions. the reason why half the country wasn't offended is because they've been holding their tongue on a lot of issues for a long time to avoid the left side of the spectrum throwing pejoratives at them. this is actually a great example of this kind of thing.
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Funny, I feel like it's the racists fault for being racist
right there the whole thing gets dismissed to "we're right" and you are not only wrong but "morally wrong". this is part of what's got have the country so worked up they are getting behind comically ridiculous man.
It seems that the anti-PC squad are not the ones who are angry because they can't call an overweight person "fatty" anymore, but rather the people who are angry because they can't be openly racist. And I'm not sorry that I don't have any time for racists, especially those who are in office or have other forms of power. If you want to talk it out with the KKK or the Nazis, go ahead, but I don't see any point in tolerating them.
And morality is relative, but I can't understand how being against racism or any hateful ideology can be seen as "morally wrong" by anyone but the supporters of such ideologies.
sorry for the double post but i figure there are two conversations going now...
i'm definitely not trying to sympathize with all the crazy shit going on on the conservative side and i don't think anyone should have to sympathize with nazis. i vote democrat, my dad and i are always talking about what a shit show trump is and i'm often the token liberal in a lot of my family circles. i've even been laid off from several jobs when i live in houston and it was mostly because i was labelled the office liberal. i've got a big family in the southern us, family around the world and have a pretty wide group of friends and family and a lot of those people fall on the conservative side of the fence. what i'm trying get across here is that not everyone that leans politically conservative and aligns with trump policies on some level is a racists and painting it that way just creates a toxic divide in this country. i'm just suggesting that a lot of people who support trump over hillary aren't these shitty racist people and maybe if the years leading up to the election weren't so dogmatic about all these these things then trump might not have gotten as much support as he did. it doesn't seem like that crazy of an idea to me and i'm definitely not trying to troll here.
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“Morality is relative” hahaha
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Yall complicating things. Jason is just personality reflected through appearance, he's not on a active brigade against minorities in skateboarding. A swastika ain't gonna stop a Mexican kid from Africa stop skating, like gippler said it might make them feel uncomfortable. That's ALL this is over. And guess what, OH FUCKIN WELL. No one owes it to anyone to make them feel comfortable by their appearance.
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you seem quite shocked by this buddy? maybe we're just posting like this for the shock value, did you ever think about that?
#freakoutthesquares
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I dunno man, it looks like swastikas are way too radical for skateboarding. But skateboarding is the most radical shit I know. I thought skateboardings radicalness could eclipse a swastika but apparently not. That shits to gnarly for skateboarding? I don't think so.
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Klan hoods are where it's at bro, that's how I really shock folks ;)
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did schmitty focus his account and come back as someone else so we couldnt tell its him locking threads?
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Yall complicating things. Jason is just personality reflected through appearance, he's not on a active brigade against minorities in skateboarding. A swastika ain't gonna stop a Mexican kid from Africa stop skating, like gippler said it might make them feel uncomfortable. That's ALL this is over. And guess what, OH FUCKIN WELL. No one owes it to anyone to make them feel comfortable by their appearance.
you probably know this already because you’re a troll but white nationalists have changed their tactics. they’re not all tatted up with shaved heads and goose stepping around. they want to blend in and spread their ideas more covertly. that’s why even with the highway murderers you have to dig a little but they drop little hints here and there of their true belief system. and the way they talk about “antifa scum” is straight out of alt right lingo.
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Yall complicating things. Jason is just personality reflected through appearance, he's not on a active brigade against minorities in skateboarding. A swastika ain't gonna stop a Mexican kid from Africa stop skating, like gippler said it might make them feel uncomfortable. That's ALL this is over. And guess what, OH FUCKIN WELL. No one owes it to anyone to make them feel comfortable by their appearance.
you probably know this already because you’re a troll but white nationalists have changed their tactics. they’re not all tatted up with shaved heads and goose stepping around. they want to blend in and spread their ideas more covertly. that’s why even with the highway murderers you have to dig a little but they drop little hints here and there of their true belief system. and the way they talk about “antifa scum” is straight out of alt right lingo.
I fuckin get it dude, jesus christ. You argued my own point to me. Ideas and symbols are not a active brigade against minorities. You guys don't want certain ideas promoted in skateboarding, I want all of them to be promoted. That's all.
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Take the do from Adolf and you've got
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if an Arab pro has an Isis design on his board and supports a Middle Eastern band that sings death to the western whitey, who is going to be triggered enough in 25 years to give a fuck?
Slap should change it's name to Smug
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what i'm trying get across here is that not everyone that leans politically conservative and aligns with trump policies on some level is a racists and painting it that way just creates a toxic divide in this country. i'm just suggesting that a lot of people who support trump over hillary aren't these shitty racist people and maybe if the years leading up to the election weren't so dogmatic about all these these things then trump might not have gotten as much support as he did. it doesn't seem like that crazy of an idea to me and i'm definitely not trying to troll here.
If I understand correctly, Trump got the support of some of the non-racist conservatives because they were being maligned by the left, right? And that the left created the toxic divide by lumping all the conservatives in the racist/sexist/etc pile. My point is that the far right is to blame for the toxic divide, because they are, well, racist in a multiracial country, among other things. And if you decide to side with the racists just because someone told you you're racist, it still means that you are supporting racists.
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what i'm trying get across here is that not everyone that leans politically conservative and aligns with trump policies on some level is a racists and painting it that way just creates a toxic divide in this country. i'm just suggesting that a lot of people who support trump over hillary aren't these shitty racist people and maybe if the years leading up to the election weren't so dogmatic about all these these things then trump might not have gotten as much support as he did. it doesn't seem like that crazy of an idea to me and i'm definitely not trying to troll here.
If I understand correctly, Trump got the support of some of the non-racist conservatives because they were being maligned by the left, right? And that the left created the toxic divide by lumping all the conservatives in the racist/sexist/etc pile. My point is that the far right is to blame for the toxic divide, because they are, well, racist in a multiracial country, among other things. And if you decide to side with the racists just because someone told you you're racist, it still means that you are supporting racists.
everyone who's divided is responsible for the divide. it's not just the left or just the right, they're both fucking jerks. nobody wants to see the other team do well for the country, they want to see them shit talked on john oliver or hannity.
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Yeah, why can't the racists and anti-racist get along? Weird...
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Yeah, why can't the racists and anti-racist get along? Weird...
life ain't always easy and i'm prolly not a shining example of it but objectively, you can't beat hate w/ hate, only love. i mean, unless you use your hate to kill every single person who thinks different than you but you might have to compromise your ideals to genocide 'the bad people'.
i've been in jails and other places where you're forced to interact w/ people you wouldn't choose to and at the end of the day, it's just people. some racist people have a lot less hate in them than a lot of liberals.
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What exactly do these liberals hate? Racism? I'm cool with that.
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racism, the south, rural people, poor whites, guns, hunting, personal accountability, big sodas, web gnar and freedom.
i prolly missed a few.
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on the extreme tip liberals are way more judgemental and pushy about their beliefs than evangelicals all while acting like generalizing and pre-judging people is the greatest crime a person can commit. their goals when stripped to the core principals are just as impractical and hard to achieve as the evangelicals.
let's have a man never have sex in his life and put him around small children
let's have people live their entire life and never develop any stereotypes or opinions about other groups of people
neither one of those is a terribly practical idea. i think if the super liberal side focused a little more on what the rules of society should be and a little less on being smug and judging people for how they think about things they could have a wider appeal. there is a reason the democrats lost the working class to the republicans and it's because they were focusing too much on the champagne liberals and not enough on working class. if we have a perfectly green society a lot of those people loose. there's a lot of those kinds of tradeoffs that the democrats have been making and being smug pricks about every little social thing and calling everyone racist on top of it all isn't helping. maybe we don't need completely free trade, maybe we can make boarder a little more secure and at the same time improve healthcare and get rid of some of the crazy army weapons. instead everyone is entrenched, not willing to hear the other side out and calling each other names. it's a pretty embarrassing situation all around.
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let's have a man never have sex in his life and put him around small children
let's have people live their entire life and never develop any stereotypes or opinions about other groups of people
Sorry Sleazy, this is such a bad comparison. One is 'impractical' (and I'm not sure that's what anyone's advocating). The other is just irresponsible and is actually harmful, as per thousands of examples.
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Last time I’m going to personally touch on this subject, but the judgement i’ve received in regards to this topic is no less a judgement as any other. I was pissed at the blind militancy, and the hypocrisy to which is no less hateful than the subject you guys attempt to condemn. The reason this pissed me off personally is some of you attacked Scout’s physical appearance, a low that I’d never go to (even in an altered state). It was petty and cowardly, and weakened some of your valuable arguments. Again, it was as hateful as those in which you’ve criticized. I condemned racism in the same breath as condemning bullying, but was still attacked for having a more objective point of view. Some of you guys (not all) plainly put, are acting like morally superior assholes, before first looking in the mirror.
I may not have acted the best here in regards to women, but those I’ve harmed I’ve always done right by. I also don’t need to answer or make amends to a bunch of uptights that weren’t directly effected by my actions.
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I'm a fan of method 2
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let's have a man never have sex in his life and put him around small children
let's have people live their entire life and never develop any stereotypes or opinions about other groups of people
Sorry Sleazy, this is such a bad comparison. One is 'impractical' (and I'm not sure that's what anyone's advocating). The other is just irresponsible and is actually harmful, as per thousands of examples.
if you think you go through your life without having any pre-conceived opinions about groups of individuals then you are just lying to yourself. the whole conversation here revolves around you repeatedly asserting that trump supporters are racist. the only difference is you feel justified because you feel you are on a moral high ground.
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if you think you go through your life without having any pre-conceived opinions about groups of individuals then you are just lying to yourself.
Umm, where did I say that? I just pointed out that you think pedophilia and not having prejudices are somehow comparable.
the whole conversation here revolves around you repeatedly asserting that trump supporters are racist.
Yeah, they are. Sure, I'll admit that some of them aren't. But most are. And if they're not, they're enabling far right policies. So what's the difference if the result is the same? Who cares if some of them aren't 'really' racist?
Also, to me it seems that the conversation started because of you blaming the left for the divisiveness in American society.
kind of feel like the current trump era is a result of the left forcing people to not be themselves by shaming them into submission for too long. trump came out and started saying all the crazy hateful shit they haven't been able to say for so long and they all loved it..
This was your first post, and it singled out the left. That was your starting point.
the only difference is you feel justified because you feel you are on a moral high ground.
The only difference to what? Justified as opposed to whom?
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racism, the south, rural people, poor whites, guns, hunting, personal accountability, big sodas, web gnar and freedom.
i prolly missed a few.
I tend to buy a big gulp (ok I'm lying I get a super gulp) every morning. No point of telling anyone this really but there it is
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Racist dog whistling Nazi
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if you think you go through your life without having any pre-conceived opinions about groups of individuals then you are just lying to yourself.
Umm, where did I say that? I just pointed out that you think pedophilia and not having prejudices are somehow comparable.
the point, which i apparently did a shit job of explaining, was belief systems like religions can be dangerous and i don't think point out the dangers or trying to protect yourself from the dangers makes you a racist.
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Sure, but the current mood with the US right is "BAN ALL MUSLIMS, THEY'RE EVIL!!!" and that's the racist part, especially considering who does most of the killing/mass shooting in the States.
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I'm a fan of method 2
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that nazi looks fake or super low budget like a bad actor in a bad movie.
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Well Trump is going to go 2 terms if the left continues to call any and every conservative a racist.
Go skate
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Sure, but the current mood with the US right is "BAN ALL MUSLIMS, THEY'RE EVIL!!!" and that's the racist part, especially considering who does most of the killing/mass shooting in the States.
this to me is like talking to someone who is anti-gun control about gun control.
"they want to take all our guns!"
"no actually we are just wanting to get rid of military weapons, high capacity clips, certain types of ammo and require background checks and prevent mentally unstable folks from getting guns"
no one has said ban all muslims as that would be crazy because it would require us to take our tongue out of sadi's ass which ain't happening... them turds taste too good.
so this article popped up on my FB feed to day and was relevant to what we are discussing: http://johnbrownnotesandessays.blogspot.com/2017/06/im-irish-and-i-spent-year-traveling-us.html
this is the thing i'm talking about
1. Americans are way too sensitive
Sometimes I wonder if political correctness is in your constitution. I found out very quickly in my first visit that I had to bite my tongue pretty much all the time, and (more annoyingly) that nobody was ever straight with me.
It seems that speaking your mind to individuals is a major taboo. You can't tell a friend straight when he has f----- up, nobody will ever tell you that you look like you could stand to lose a few pounds, and there's way too much euphemism to avoid the hard truth.
To a certain extent, I can understand it – America generally does a great job of preventing people from singling out ethnic groups and toning down hate speech. But it waters it down far too much at the individual level.
A lot of Americans I met feel very lonely, and I feel this is a major reason. You may never find a boy/girlfriend if a friend who knows you well and supposedly cares about you, doesn't tell you the hard facts of what makes you annoying… so that you can change it! Being insulting for the sake of it is needless aggression. But constructive criticism is what friends are for.
The one time in my entire last three months that someone was straight with me was when my friend Karol Gajda gave me some tips to improve my presentation in future after I gave a TEDx talk, while everyone else was doing nothing but massaging my ego. It was really useful advice but it caught me off guard because I was used to months of…
that shit is super frustrating and embarassiung to non-super liberal types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPKnGJi-324
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Well Trump is going to go 2 terms if the left continues to call any and every conservative a racist.
Go skate
Is this one of those "do as I say, not as I do" situations?
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that shit is super frustrating and embarassiung to non-super liberal types
That does sound annoying. Still don't know how it forces someone to vote for a racist sex offender...
The rhetoric on the right is definitely anti-Muslim, there's no doubt about that.
And yes, ban all guns, please.
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there's been all kinds of shitty rehtoric coming out of trump and he contradicts himself constantly. however, i don't think the majority of the trump supporters are single issue voters. just because they picked him over hillary doesn't mean they agree with every policy or everything he says. i just can't imagine writing off half the country as morally flawed. surely you have people you know and respect who vote republican.
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I think that's the crux of the whole discussion. I can't have sympathy or understanding for people who think human and civil rights are secondary as long as they get a tiny tax break or whatever. These people don't have the society's interests at heart.
And yeah, I do know some conservatives who are perfectly nice and intelligent, but who for some reason think Trump is great, and if you ask them about the racist comments and all the other damaging things he says and does, they just shrug. They see how it's wrong but it doesn't really factor into their lives, so it doesn't matter. To me that's just the shittiest way of thinking.
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I'm sorry Allen but I think your thinking is super shallow. Countrys arent run on social issues my man. Your on some tmz shit. He's not trying to ban the Muslim religion. Just restricting travel from problematic countries. I'm pretty sure they base decisions on the Intel they have. This shit isn't coming out of thin air just cause he's racist.
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I'm sorry Allen but I think your thinking is super shallow. Countrys arent run on social issues my man. Your on some tmz shit. He's not trying to ban the Muslim religion. Just restricting travel from problematic countries. I'm pretty sure they base decisions on the Intel they have. This shit isn't coming out of thin air just cause he's racist.
LOL yeah Trump's presidency has had zero to do with social issues.
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Has anyone ever noticed after you shower is pretty much the only time your boxers/boxer briefs feel snug? Then you take a shit and the whole vibe gets ruined, and you can never get them feeling comfortable again for the remainder of the day? You can keep pulling the legging portion down, but its inevitable its going to keep bunching up between sack and leg.
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I'm sorry Allen but I think your thinking is super shallow. Countrys arent run on social issues my man. Your on some tmz shit. He's not trying to ban the Muslim religion. Just restricting travel from problematic countries. I'm pretty sure they base decisions on the Intel they have. This shit isn't coming out of thin air just cause he's racist.
LOL yeah Trump's presidency has had zero to do with social issues.
Omg will you stop it mister. It doesn't. He's not a social issue president, at all, Hillary probably would of been, like obama. Its everyone one else who is turning everything into a social issue, cause that's all yall care about, that's the only thing yall wanted. Gay 69ing immigrants being shot by police is all yall care about. Yall don't care about keeping the world machine going.
All the laws are already in place for a fair society. It depends all on the public now to change social shit. But everyones to busy fighting over dumb stuff and blaming people in power over how we act.
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^I'd say emotions and social issues played a huge part in his election. Even that dogfucker Queefer said if you keep calling conservatives racists, Trump will keep getting our vote because we do it to spite you. And the decisionmaking of nativist presidents has always been based largely on feelings, hence tariffs that in the long run may be impractical but are for the purpose of spiting foreign countries. Spite and anger are emotions, bro. And I thought liberals were the irrational ones.
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I'm sorry Allen but I think your thinking is super shallow. Countrys arent run on social issues my man. Your on some tmz shit. He's not trying to ban the Muslim religion. Just restricting travel from problematic countries. I'm pretty sure they base decisions on the Intel they have. This shit isn't coming out of thin air just cause he's racist.
LOL yeah Trump's presidency has had zero to do with social issues.
All the laws are already in place for a fair society. It depends all on the public now to change social shit. But everyones to busy fighting over dumb stuff and blaming people in power over how we act.
True. I can't even get an erection anymore unless the dude is an immigrant with some bullet holes. Oh, and on the other side of a glory hole.
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^I'd say emotions and social issues played a huge part in his election. Even that dogfucker Queefer said if you keep calling conservatives racists, Trump will keep getting our vote because we do it to spite you. And the decisionmaking of nativist presidents has always been based largely on feelings, hence tariffs that in the long run may be impractical but are for the purpose of spiting foreign countries. Spite and anger are emotions, bro. And I thought liberals were the irrational ones.
Those ain't emotional decisions, those are power moves my nig. The complete opposite of an emotional decision.
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trump definitely making power moves on trade, foreign policy, getting united nations member nations to chip in more, etc...
it sucks about guns and social issues but it's not like the bush years. he hasn't started and ridiculous wars (yet) or tanked the economy. he's at least doing something different from the standard republican play book on somethings. plus i feel you have to judge how well a candidate does based on what he does for his base whether you agree with those things or not and he's doing a lot there too. and it's a divided country and we should probably take turns on this thing and i can think of a whole lot of worst people to be in the office from that side. i'm going to save 5k this year on taxes so i don't mind that so much. healthcare is kind of annoying but i think obama pushed the bolder over the cliff on that and sooner or later someone is going to have to take another swing at it but at least there is momentum there and new things are being tried.
i fucking loved obama and feel he got a lot done and at this point trump is an embarrassment but he's getting some shit done and i think his take on foreign policy is interesting and he's definitely making progress with north korea. once he fucks the economy or gets us in some stupid war then i'll start bitching more but for now i'm cool letting him do his thing and letting the republicans have a turn to annoy the democrats with some not so PC trolling. whether the left realizes it or not the right side was hating the shit out of the obama years over social issues and PC sensitivity in the same way the left is hating it now. gotta take turns and let the other side be who they are, stopping giving so much of shit about how people think. if some people think there's some shit hole countries in the world, why not, i've definitely been to a few. maybe don't be so sensitive about every little thing and realize that different people have way different world experiences, priorities and motivations than you do.
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^I'd say emotions and social issues played a huge part in his election. Even that dogfucker Queefer said if you keep calling conservatives racists, Trump will keep getting our vote because we do it to spite you. And the decisionmaking of nativist presidents has always been based largely on feelings, hence tariffs that in the long run may be impractical but are for the purpose of spiting foreign countries. Spite and anger are emotions, bro. And I thought liberals were the irrational ones.
self-inflicted wounds are power moves? maybe if you’re into autoerotic sadomasochism. no, it’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face. not saying everything trump does is of this nature but some of his tariffs are actually hurting american industries.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbytb3_UtA