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Title: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: professional on June 05, 2018, 07:20:38 AM
This one is a must read. Free and their associates have been coming with such quality skate journalism these days, I'm so happy to see that it's still alive.

Writing by Kyle Beachy

http://www.freeskatemag.com/2018/06/05/primitive-progressivism-by-kyle-beachy/
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: GershonSweaty on June 05, 2018, 07:58:41 AM
This is incredibly well written and most importantly considered.

It’s wild that it took 3 magazines to get this the exposure it deserved.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: artskool on June 05, 2018, 08:07:41 AM
Great piece, and relevant no matter how you feel about Jason Jesse. Skateboarding is changing fast, and the new kids don't give a shit about the past, sometimes for the best.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Frank on June 05, 2018, 08:26:27 AM
this is the same article that king mag posted and pulled by request of jason jessee, since he offered them an in depth interview. nice to see it's back up again tho.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 05, 2018, 08:26:58 AM
Great piece, and relevant no matter how you feel about Jason Jesse. Skateboarding is changing fast, and the new kids don't give a shit about the past, sometimes for the best.
Most old guys aren't even old enough to remember Jason Jessee. I've been skating over 25 years, and during that entire time Jason Jessee has been washed up. Every kid who turns pro this year will be younger than Jason Jessee's absence from skateboarding. There's like a small group of 40+ dudes, most of whom don't even skate anymore, who give a shit about that dude's skating.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: essal on June 05, 2018, 08:42:02 AM
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It’s to say to Craig Stecyk: you don’t speak for me and you’re done speaking for skateboarding. It’s to say to Jason Jessee: I hope you find the help and support to remain healthy and grow toward a new understanding of racism in America—and also, fuck you. And to the narcissists, the powermongers, the skaters who beat their girlfriends, who abuse and drug and rape: fuck y’all. And to the few remaining California old guard who continue to own and oversee a workplace that enforces silence and disempowers the people working in the industry? Fuck you the worst. This isn’t about playing the PC police. It is direct democracy.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Frank on June 05, 2018, 09:18:48 AM
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Great piece, and relevant no matter how you feel about Jason Jesse. Skateboarding is changing fast, and the new kids don't give a shit about the past, sometimes for the best.
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Most old guys aren't even old enough to remember Jason Jessee. I've been skating over 25 years, and during that entire time Jason Jessee has been washed up. Every kid who turns pro this year will be younger than Jason Jessee's absence from skateboarding. There's like a small group of 40+ dudes, most of whom don't even skate anymore, who give a shit about that dude's skating.

i fully agree, i've been skating since 97 and only got to know about him by way of old big brother mags. until i watched pray for me these were the things i knew:

-jason jessee was a vert pro once for santa cruz
-he has two graphics that have gained cult status
-he is working on cars and motorcycles
-he really likes guns
-he trains chickens to fight
-he is most likely insane but harmless so it's ok to make fun of him

after pray for me i was already thinking "damn, the guy is way sketchier than i would have thought..." add to that that todays social media gives everyone the chance to put themselves on blast basically, and that's why there is such a delayed backlash.

skateboarding is ruled by the young people, i can only see old farts or people clinging to a conservative and outdated view of skating backing jessee, like all those wannabe punk bowl barneys that are really just as conservative as their dads. i'd reckon most skaters up to 16 years that watched the cons video for example were wondering who the dude is and why he is in the ender part.

the time for guys like jason jessee is up anyway. skateboarding has a problem with too many has beens and dumpster personas that like to have a lot of influence still and shove their faces in front of cameras to represent some mythic trueness or something. the truth is most of these cult figures from the 80s were of terrible character and skateboarding as a subculture has only to gain if we can de-idolize them at least in some parts of the subculture.

jay adams-terrible human being, killed a person for being gay, downright scum
tony alva-coked out wannabe rockstar that fucked over his friends multiple times
gator-another insane murderer
jason jessee-paranoid racist gun nut backwoods dweller
grosso-seems actually cool but still acts like the dumbest kid in school(skrewdriver shirt to trigger the snowflakes)
phelps-i wanna punch my screen whenever that monkey appears on it, especially since he was spilling the beans on van wastells suicide and then ends it with the evaluation that he was "no gonz"
gonz-like his skating but never got his "art", seems like the dude likes to fucks with people, probably not a nazi, but i wouldn't be surprised if the gonz is a contrarian out of principle or that he's crossing lines for the sake of coming of as "artsy" or "controversial". as another dude in the gonz nazi thread said, he's a huge dork.
neil blender-reading billy kahns insta posts i was disappointed to see blender mentioned in there as a co-bully along jason jessee, but at this point, nothing surprises me anymore.

all these guys(except phelps) are treated like legends. phelps is more like the official skateboard pope. and the thing is most skateboarders are sheep and won't question the authority these people have over the history of skateboarding. of course all they will talk about is how rad and gnarly they were and still are, true og or whatever, 110% skateboarder to the max. and all these worthless confessions or oaths to skateboarding made by grown men in an attempt to cancel out their human indecencies make them look like fools.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: IHOP on June 05, 2018, 09:27:05 AM
glad someone else picked it up and kept it up.  When i saw that king shit removed it I immediately thought the article was more about skateboarding culture and those keeping it from progressing, not just jason jesse.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BobbyPshew on June 05, 2018, 09:36:01 AM
Nice work, good to see it published.

Hopefully Jason will continue to grow, and learn his way to becoming completely irrelevant and hopefully, completely invisible.

Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: conqueso on June 05, 2018, 09:39:14 AM
Interesting read. So Steve Berra is also a part of this skateboard illumanti?
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Sammich on June 05, 2018, 10:00:35 AM
This was a great article, I'm glad it didn't regurgitate the apology and more so focused on the industry. Also, kind of weird Dill hasn't said anything given his outspoken anti-Trump, anti-racism views.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BigBoi on June 05, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
^ I think Dills just a liberal and not really a poosey liberal so he likely won't comment on this......

Article was mehh.............
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: DCLOVE on June 05, 2018, 11:23:08 AM
This one is a must read. Free and their associates have been coming with such quality skate journalism these days, I'm so happy to see that it's still alive.

Writing by Kyle Beachy

http://www.freeskatemag.com/2018/06/05/primitive-progressivism-by-kyle-beachy/

Skate journalism is so bad it’s not hard to be good if you give real thought to something. This still is an industry of high school dropouts after all.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Sandboxcop on June 05, 2018, 11:42:54 AM
"But can we agree, readers, that words are not farts?"--Made me chuckle

Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: botefdunn on June 05, 2018, 11:49:03 AM
I agree in principle with some of his points, but this is an opinion piece with references to some old stecyck articles mixed-in.
To bemoan "the lack of hard-hitting journalism" in skateboarding is pretty pretentious when you're riding the coattails of the most scandalous story on slap.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 05, 2018, 11:53:30 AM
^ I think Dills just a liberal and not really a poosey liberal so he likely won't comment on this......

Article was mehh.............
God you are stupid. Cowardly liberals DON'T speak out in times when saying the right thing can be costly. If Dill had any balls he'd say the right thing, but he doesn't. He's a trendy New York hipster. To a person like him, its ok to hate Trump, because a lot of other people do, and its ok to still support nazi Jessee, because a lot of other people do. He's a hipster populist more than a liberal.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BigBoi on June 05, 2018, 12:27:01 PM
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^ I think Dills just a liberal and not really a poosey liberal so he likely won't comment on this......

Article was mehh.............
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God you are stupid. Cowardly liberals DON'T speak out in times when saying the right thing can be costly. If Dill had any balls he'd say the right thing, but he doesn't. He's a trendy New York hipster. To a person like him, its ok to hate Trump, because a lot of other people do, and its ok to still support nazi Jessee, because a lot of other people do. He's a hipster populist more than a liberal.

Cowardly and "Poosey" are two different meanings in my book

He's liberal in the sense that he will denounce Trump, but he's not overly liberal to worry about Slap smear campaigns...

Basically he's just the right amount of Liberal like me............you on the other hand are kind of a poosey
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Alan on June 05, 2018, 12:52:23 PM
Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: EmilioBestevez on June 05, 2018, 01:10:03 PM
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Great piece, and relevant no matter how you feel about Jason Jesse. Skateboarding is changing fast, and the new kids don't give a shit about the past, sometimes for the best.
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Most old guys aren't even old enough to remember Jason Jessee. I've been skating over 25 years, and during that entire time Jason Jessee has been washed up. Every kid who turns pro this year will be younger than Jason Jessee's absence from skateboarding. There's like a small group of 40+ dudes, most of whom don't even skate anymore, who give a shit about that dude's skating.

My thoughts exactly.  20+ years of skateboarding and a heavy interest in everything to do with it and I haven't really thought about Jason Jesse at all.  I think the only reason he's even back in any spotlight is because Cons wanted to have a "legend" on the team to compete with Vans.....and with that attention, came someone who looked at him and said "Hey, what's up with the swastikas?" 
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: TMKF on June 05, 2018, 01:39:10 PM
I've been skating for over 25 years and Jason Jesse means absolutely nothing to me so I couldn't care less about the guy. In all honesty I think the only reason he became whatever he did is because he has a cool name that rolls off the tongue and was easily marketable as a "bad boy". I'm not sure who out there is buying any product because of his name anyway, maybe I'm missing something. That said this article to me read like complete garbage, even if I agree with some of the sentiments. It came off as not only immature and unintelligent but also unreasonable and exaggerated. Sadly by the writer's definition I should now be labeled a "nazi" for this opinion, which to does nothing but water down the term at the end of the day. A "nazi" or a racist is not someone who simply disagrees with an opinion or a sentiment but someone who inherently hates another human being for no reason other than who they are, which is disgusting and abhorrent.

Jason Jesse certainly doesn't define skateboarding, and frankly neither does Kyle Beachy nor any single person.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: TwisT on June 05, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
I like that someone called out the "Pyramid" but free skate is a euro mag. They probably aren't linked closely to "The industry" like other publications who passed or pulled the article. It probably won't get the reach it deserves. Beachy did a great job articulating this subject.

This whole event has me a little more cynical of the skate industry. I knew they swept shit under the rug, but actually seeing it happen in real time was crazy. Skateboarding will survive, but the "The Industry" is eventually gonna die out. Can't fucking wait. Sure I'll lose some of my favorite brands in the process but in 15 years I'll just buy the reissues. If nobody is making shit I like I can always just make my own.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: happenstance on June 05, 2018, 03:35:20 PM
I like that someone called out the "Pyramid" but free skate is a euro mag. They probably aren't linked closely to "The industry" like other publications who passed or pulled the article.
I have a Free Skate Mag sitting on my desk at work, flipped a few pages and Cons has the 3rd 2 page spread in the magazine. I am sure if I flipped further I would find a Nike ad as well.

Now, one could say that there is no risk here because Cons already denounced them, but who knows the allegiances of the person that manages the ad buys. And who knows if Free deciding to publish damming articles about skaters puts them at risk with other advertisers. They went out on a limb and did something not many skate outlets do - publish real journalism. Tip o' the hat to them.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Sleazy on June 05, 2018, 03:58:52 PM
I've been skating for over 25 years and Jason Jesse means absolutely nothing to me so I couldn't care less about the guy. In all honesty I think the only reason he became whatever he did is because he has a cool name that rolls off the tongue and was easily marketable as a "bad boy". I'm not sure who out there is buying any product because of his name anyway, maybe I'm missing something. That said this article to me read like complete garbage, even if I agree with some of the sentiments. It came off as not only immature and unintelligent but also unreasonable and exaggerated. Sadly by the writer's definition I should now be labeled a "nazi" for this opinion, which to does nothing but water down the term at the end of the day. A "nazi" or a racist is not someone who simply disagrees with an opinion or a sentiment but someone who inherently hates another human being for no reason other than who they are, which is disgusting and abhorrent.

Jason Jesse certainly doesn't define skateboarding, and frankly neither does Kyle Beachy nor any single person.

pretty much what i was thinking too

he made this huge point about craig stecyk like his writing is some bible that is foundational to skate culture when i'm pretty sure most skater wouldn't know what he's referencing.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Atiba Applebum on June 05, 2018, 04:14:35 PM
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This one is a must read. Free and their associates have been coming with such quality skate journalism these days, I'm so happy to see that it's still alive.

Writing by Kyle Beachy

http://www.freeskatemag.com/2018/06/05/primitive-progressivism-by-kyle-beachy/
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Skate journalism is so bad it’s not hard to be good if you give real thought to something. This still is an industry of high school dropouts after all.

I for one think Burnett’s your articles that are all about the contextless and esoteric inside jokes made in a tour vans by a group of pot-tards deserving of a pulitzer
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: HyenaChaser on June 05, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
This article demonstrated to me how skateboarding has exited under a "freedom of expression" status quo that was anything but free. Ironically, now that there are real cultural shifts taking place we're starting to see the hypocrisy, and outspoken individuals are being hushed by people who (presumably) benefitted or at least found comfort in the pre-existing "freedom."
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BigBoi on June 05, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
 

Because he's not a Nazi.............He just an idiot...........
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: IHOP on June 05, 2018, 05:44:14 PM
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Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
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Because he's a Nazi.............Im just an idiot...........

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Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BigBoi on June 05, 2018, 06:08:10 PM
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Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
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Because he's a Nazi.............Im just an idiot...........
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well thought out........very unique............great job
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: streetsoup on June 05, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
Don't really mind at all that this article was stolen from one source and published by another. This article is important and needs to be on any platform that is willing to showcase it.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: High Hair on June 05, 2018, 06:41:33 PM
If you think this outrage shit is a little long in the tooth and you haven't seen this yet, you're blowing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJn_DBTnrY
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: TMKF on June 05, 2018, 06:51:20 PM
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I've been skating for over 25 years and Jason Jesse means absolutely nothing to me so I couldn't care less about the guy. In all honesty I think the only reason he became whatever he did is because he has a cool name that rolls off the tongue and was easily marketable as a "bad boy". I'm not sure who out there is buying any product because of his name anyway, maybe I'm missing something. That said this article to me read like complete garbage, even if I agree with some of the sentiments. It came off as not only immature and unintelligent but also unreasonable and exaggerated. Sadly by the writer's definition I should now be labeled a "nazi" for this opinion, which to does nothing but water down the term at the end of the day. A "nazi" or a racist is not someone who simply disagrees with an opinion or a sentiment but someone who inherently hates another human being for no reason other than who they are, which is disgusting and abhorrent.

Jason Jesse certainly doesn't define skateboarding, and frankly neither does Kyle Beachy nor any single person.
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pretty much what i was thinking too

he made this huge point about craig stecyk like his writing is some bible that is foundational to skate culture when i'm pretty sure most skater wouldn't know what he's referencing.

Skateboarding consumed my life for 20 years and still does largely aside from my family and two daughters and to be honest I've never even heard of this Craig Stecyk person. Guess I'm not as much of a skate nerd as I thought...
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: natenola forever on June 05, 2018, 07:09:16 PM
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I've been skating for over 25 years and Jason Jesse means absolutely nothing to me so I couldn't care less about the guy. In all honesty I think the only reason he became whatever he did is because he has a cool name that rolls off the tongue and was easily marketable as a "bad boy". I'm not sure who out there is buying any product because of his name anyway, maybe I'm missing something. That said this article to me read like complete garbage, even if I agree with some of the sentiments. It came off as not only immature and unintelligent but also unreasonable and exaggerated. Sadly by the writer's definition I should now be labeled a "nazi" for this opinion, which to does nothing but water down the term at the end of the day. A "nazi" or a racist is not someone who simply disagrees with an opinion or a sentiment but someone who inherently hates another human being for no reason other than who they are, which is disgusting and abhorrent.

Jason Jesse certainly doesn't define skateboarding, and frankly neither does Kyle Beachy nor any single person.
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pretty much what i was thinking too

he made this huge point about craig stecyk like his writing is some bible that is foundational to skate culture when i'm pretty sure most skater wouldn't know what he's referencing.
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Skateboarding consumed my life for 20 years and still does largely aside from my family and two daughters and to be honest I've never even heard of this Craig Stecyk person. Guess I'm not as much of a skate nerd as I thought...
In modern times Stecyks blurbs were used more than his actual stories, there's tons of little poetic one liners you've probably heard a bunch of times and just didn't know they were from him, the most famous is "two hundred years of american technology has unwittingly created a massive cement playground of unlimited potential. but it was the minds of 11 year olds that ..." And a lot of it centers around the whole skateboarders look at the world differently than anyone else. A lot of the old Powell ads used his writing and quotes, he was the kinda Warhol Factory type character of 80s Powell Peralta, he shot photos, made art, worked on videos, I'm sure he had one of those jobs where he was just paid to be around and be creative at Powell. He also seemed like the dude that would screen boards or run a sander in the factory if someone called in sick.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 05, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
stecyk was nearly 30 years old, partying with teenagers and taking half naked pictures of them outside abandoned houses
so he was Fat Bill before Fat Bill then yeah?
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Alan on June 05, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
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Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
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Because he's not a Nazi.............He just an idiot...........

Ok, so the facts are that he is an idiot, and has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists. Glad we cleared up that smear campaign bs and will be sticking to the facts from now on.
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Post by: fulltechnicalskizzy on June 05, 2018, 08:03:39 PM
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Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
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Because he's not a Nazi.............He just an idiot...........
tomato tomato
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Post by: Francis Xavier on June 05, 2018, 10:01:25 PM
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This one is a must read. Free and their associates have been coming with such quality skate journalism these days, I'm so happy to see that it's still alive.

Writing by Kyle Beachy

http://www.freeskatemag.com/2018/06/05/primitive-progressivism-by-kyle-beachy/
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Skate journalism is so bad it’s not hard to be good if you give real thought to something. This still is an industry of high school dropouts after all.
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I for one think Burnett’s your articles that are all about the contextless and esoteric inside jokes made in a tour vans by a group of pot-tards deserving of a pulitzer
That Zero tour article he went on that he turned into a Spring Break party adventure,but was actually super serious, was great.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: reptar_bar on June 05, 2018, 10:03:14 PM
I've been skating for over 25 years and Jason Jesse means absolutely nothing to me so I couldn't care less about the guy. In all honesty I think the only reason he became whatever he did is because he has a cool name that rolls off the tongue and was easily marketable as a "bad boy". I'm not sure who out there is buying any product because of his name anyway, maybe I'm missing something. That said this article to me read like complete garbage, even if I agree with some of the sentiments. It came off as not only immature and unintelligent but also unreasonable and exaggerated. Sadly by the writer's definition I should now be labeled a "nazi" for this opinion, which to does nothing but water down the term at the end of the day. A "nazi" or a racist is not someone who simply disagrees with an opinion or a sentiment but someone who inherently hates another human being for no reason other than who they are, which is disgusting and abhorrent.

Jason Jesse certainly doesn't define skateboarding, and frankly neither does Kyle Beachy nor any single person.

This 100%
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: JohnOakley on June 06, 2018, 12:46:16 AM
The importance placed on Stecyk's writing in that article must seem totally irrelevant to 80% of the skateboard population. I started in 1988 and only learnt about him retrospectively many many years later. The article seems like it was written for a college assignment and trying super hard to be academic when it really only needed to say that the companies that employ Jessee were fucking stupid for backing somebody who was such a liability.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: meadowsoprano on June 06, 2018, 01:17:45 AM
I like that someone called out the "Pyramid" but free skate is a euro mag. They probably aren't linked closely to "The industry" like other publications who passed or pulled the article.

They definitely suck the swoosh dick hard. Trust me.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BarbaraStreisand on June 06, 2018, 04:33:19 AM
Good article and good to finally read someone from the "media industry" taking a position.

My point tho is, wasn't skateboarding your first place to be completely out of this bullshit?

Isn't skateboarding about tricks and actually riding a skateboard?

Or at least, we never cared about what else was going on, if there's really something going on, behind the scenes.

I believe that skateboarding is as dirty as any other industry but we tried to keep it as clear or untouched from outside politics or PCness or excess.

I mean, we forgave Corey Duffel's teenagers remarks on race, because as bummed as we were on his words we really wanted to see the kid skate and nothing more.

Is it necessary now to raise our pitchforks and fires and run after the non PC's?

Are we so sure to be politically correct altogether? As persons and as skateboarders?

I won't accept any Nazi promoting from skaters that I like but I won't blacklist what their skateboarding is saying to me.

Hence, is ok to maker sure that idiot Nazi wannabe Jason Jessee learns that what he's doing is not cool but I think that if we dig deep into the correctness of things nowadays there's no one that will come out clean.



Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: hip bruise on June 06, 2018, 05:10:20 AM
The fact people keep calling this situation an attempt at being “pc” is frustrating.

Everything is “political”, whether you choose to understand that or ignore it, skateboarding and everyone in it has been political for all time.

Politically correct is a term created by conservatives to stifle adaptation and progress in thought/values, particularly in lower to middle class, traditionally white areas.

Pretty gross to see a racist huckster like Sam Hyde get shine on slap.

Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: zanussi on June 06, 2018, 05:15:19 AM
Good article and good to finally read someone from the "media industry" taking a position.

My point tho is, wasn't skateboarding your first place to be completely out of this bullshit?

Isn't skateboarding about tricks and actually riding a skateboard?

Or at least, we never cared about what else was going on, if there's really something going on, behind the scenes.

I believe that skateboarding is as dirty as any other industry but we tried to keep it as clear or untouched from outside politics or PCness or excess.

I mean, we forgave Corey Duffel's teenagers remarks on race, because as bummed as we were on his words we really wanted to see the kid skate and nothing more.

Is it necessary now to raise our pitchforks and fires and run after the non PC's?

Are we so sure to be politically correct altogether? As persons and as skateboarders?

I won't accept any Nazi promoting from skaters that I like but I won't blacklist what their skateboarding is saying to me.

Hence, is ok to maker sure that idiot Nazi wannabe Jason Jessee learns that what he's doing is not cool but I think that if we dig deep into the correctness of things nowadays there's no one that will come out clean.


No matter what pureness of fun we might have on our local curb in the middle of nowhere, remaining silent on important issues or ignoring this corporate complicity is to accept it as perfectly fine and allow it to continue.

You can be a punk without being corrupt or morally repugnant. 
You can strive for simplicity without being reductive.

It's a duty for those who agree it's time for change in skateboarding - not just at individual company level, but at an industrial and cultural level - to act on it.

It's time for the beached whales to rot in the sun.




Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Salty Lame Ass Poosey on June 06, 2018, 05:23:18 AM
Dotted all the I’s and crossed all the t’s. Good job
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BarbaraStreisand on June 06, 2018, 06:07:25 AM
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Good article and good to finally read someone from the "media industry" taking a position.

My point tho is, wasn't skateboarding your first place to be completely out of this bullshit?

Isn't skateboarding about tricks and actually riding a skateboard?

Or at least, we never cared about what else was going on, if there's really something going on, behind the scenes.

I believe that skateboarding is as dirty as any other industry but we tried to keep it as clear or untouched from outside politics or PCness or excess.

I mean, we forgave Corey Duffel's teenagers remarks on race, because as bummed as we were on his words we really wanted to see the kid skate and nothing more.

Is it necessary now to raise our pitchforks and fires and run after the non PC's?

Are we so sure to be politically correct altogether? As persons and as skateboarders?

I won't accept any Nazi promoting from skaters that I like but I won't blacklist what their skateboarding is saying to me.

Hence, is ok to maker sure that idiot Nazi wannabe Jason Jessee learns that what he's doing is not cool but I think that if we dig deep into the correctness of things nowadays there's no one that will come out clean.

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No matter what pureness of fun we might have on our local curb in the middle of nowhere, remaining silent on important issues or ignoring this corporate complicity is to accept it as perfectly fine and allow it to continue.

You can be a punk without being corrupt or morally repugnant. 
You can strive for simplicity without being reductive.

It's a duty for those who agree it's time for change in skateboarding - not just at individual company level, but at an industrial and cultural level - to act on it.

It's time for the beached whales to rot in the sun.


As far as I'd love to see this happening, WE as human beings are a plague to the planet.

So yeah, let's make sure dumb and ignorant shit is not pushed and promoted in our world.

But we are not going to change skateboarding because it's ran by industry heads that have not the same drive as we do.

That's why we have to support DLX for example, because I can bet anything that Jim T will look first for the sake of skateboarding than it's own, but at the end of the day he's not giving everyone free boards because it's the market. He will have to survive. His family too.

Of course since we allowed corporate brand to enter our thing, we are as corrupt as we can imagine.

The swoosh is a powerful symbol than any other. It means power over people's interest and over the good will.

It means MASS BUSINESS and that is not ethic. At all.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 06, 2018, 08:58:01 AM
There is no meaning to skateboarding. A skateboard is just a  board with wheels attached to it. We give it our own meaning when we interact with it.

And you don't have to outwardly hate somebody to be racist or participate in racism. The idea that racism is just a hatred of others is incomplete. Its systemic, and about oppressing others. You can even be racist without knowing it by participating and perpetuating systems of oppression.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: HungUp on June 06, 2018, 12:03:50 PM
If you think this outrage shit is a little long in the tooth and you haven't seen this yet, you're blowing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJn_DBTnrY
TEDx is the worst idea TED ever had so they kind of deserved this. But for real though, fuck this troll-culture dipshit Nazi sympathizer. People are impressed by the stupidest shit. What does this guy actually contribute beyond validating the anger of a bunch of incel, future school shooters and a shitty Andy Kaufman rip? He's the 4 chan version of a "just a prank bro" video come to life. The irony of these kooks thinking that "libtards" are self-congratulatory and smug is the peak of their comedy.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: D. Bag on June 06, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
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If you think this outrage shit is a little long in the tooth and you haven't seen this yet, you're blowing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJn_DBTnrY
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TEDx is the worst idea TED ever had so they kind of deserved this. But for real though, fuck this troll-culture dipshit Nazi sympathizer. People are impressed by the stupidest shit. What does this guy actually contribute beyond validating the anger of a bunch of incel, future school shooters and a shitty Andy Kaufman rip? He's the 4 chan version of a "just a prank bro" video come to life. The irony of these kooks thinking that "libtards" are self-congratulatory and smug is the peak of their comedy.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/200/368/147.jpg)
Somebody has some anger issues.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Schneaumunn on June 06, 2018, 07:51:28 PM
stecyk was nearly 30 years old, partying with teenagers and taking half naked pictures of them outside abandoned houses

almost every skate photo he ever had published was a bail

100% con man

General Jonez, you are just the worst.

Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: HungUp on June 08, 2018, 06:20:34 PM
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If you think this outrage shit is a little long in the tooth and you haven't seen this yet, you're blowing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJn_DBTnrY
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TEDx is the worst idea TED ever had so they kind of deserved this. But for real though, fuck this troll-culture dipshit Nazi sympathizer. People are impressed by the stupidest shit. What does this guy actually contribute beyond validating the anger of a bunch of incel, future school shooters and a shitty Andy Kaufman rip? He's the 4 chan version of a "just a prank bro" video come to life. The irony of these kooks thinking that "libtards" are self-congratulatory and smug is the peak of their comedy.
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Somebody has some anger issues.

Expect the dude is LITERALLY a Nazi you fucking person. I was just being generous calling him a "sympathizer" Assuming that his seig heils and friendships with Nazis are "just for the lulz"

I'm sure he donated $5k to the Dailystormer dude just to "troll the cucks" got em!
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-daily-stormer-20170602-story.html

Hangin with Weev doing a "Roman salute"
(https://hailtothegynocracy.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/sam-hyde-weev.png?w=640)

Weev showing off his "Buddhist symbol of peace"
(http://images.gawker.com/nj67o1k89tg62jyycwhf/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636.jpg)

It's all just a joke bro!  Definitely not just a way to deflect any attacks against him being a racist piece of shit.

So are you an actual Nazi too or just a dumbfuck who can't use the google?
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Noam Chomsky on June 08, 2018, 06:27:27 PM
If you find yourself offended by a Comedian, you are probably the punch line.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: jakeumms on June 08, 2018, 06:34:56 PM
Sam Hyde is a garbage fire who got his show cancelled off of Adult Swim after one season. You trolls can keep posting his shit and we will keep telling you he's terrible.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Noam Chomsky on June 08, 2018, 06:48:33 PM
How can Sam Hyde be a Nazi when he "loves jews"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06lLDDe-b4
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: HungUp on June 09, 2018, 01:32:31 AM
If you find yourself offended by a Comedian, you are probably the punch line.
How can Sam Hyde be a Nazi when he "loves jews"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06lLDDe-b4

Fuckin whoosh.

It's all just a joke bro!  Definitely not just a way to deflect any attacks against him being a racist piece of shit.

No but really, thanks for redpilling me bro! I guess I just got triggered, typical SJW. This is hilarious stuff. That fact that I didn’t understand that him donating money to white nationalists was just an extension of this same kind of joke just shows how brainwashed I am by PC culture.  That’s almost the same kind of high level satire you could expect from a right wing reactionary dickhead who uses a left wing socialist academic as their handle. Someday my balls will drop and I can be clever too. Until then I guess I’m just a punchline.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: eraserheadfuckers on June 09, 2018, 01:55:13 AM
i appreciate y'alls intentions but there's no point in arguing with the Sam Hyde fucks. They all watch the althype and believe in ethically cleansing the united states. The "we're just pretending to be white supremacists because its funny" it's a trick literally written into the daily stormer's style guide:

"Lulz

The tone should be light.

Most people are not comfortable with material that comes off as vitriolic, raging, non-ironic hatred.

The unindoctrinated should not be able to tell if we are joking or not. There should also be a conscious awareness of mocking stereotypes of hateful racists. I usually think of this as self-deprecating humor - I am a racist making fun of stereotype of racists, because I don't take myself super seriously.

This is obviously a ploy and I actually do want to gas the k***s. But that's neither here nor there."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daily-stormer-nazi-style-guide_us_5a2ece19e4b0ce3b344492f2

Don't feed the trolls.
(sometimes bigboi is ok cause he's so stupid he makes everyone supportive of Jason Jessee look like a moron)
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: goldfishboot on June 10, 2018, 08:51:01 AM
why don't we just IP ban these double digit IQ 4chan posters

nothing to be gained from having a bunch of edgelords on a skate forum. just makes us all look bad
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: cold budweisers on June 10, 2018, 09:22:36 AM
jews rock is like a sub-sub-sub wonder showzen sketch from the cutting room floor
the only funny thing about sam hyde is how fucking pathetic he is, dude is an absolute loser, he got his adult swim show cancelled because he couldn't keep his terrible ass opinions to himself
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BigBoi on June 10, 2018, 09:39:16 AM
y'alls

Not sure whats worse. The 4chans trolling or the libs posting weblinks on "How to spot a Nazi".

Stop making music right now. Its not for you
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: ChuckRamone on June 10, 2018, 09:52:00 AM
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Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Alan on June 10, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Yeah, what's worse, racists or people pointing out the racists? A question only a normal, non-racist person would ask.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: eraserheadfuckers on June 10, 2018, 10:16:45 AM
jews rock is like a sub-sub-sub wonder showzen sketch from the cutting room floor
the only funny thing about sam hyde is how fucking pathetic he is, dude is an absolute loser, he got his adult swim show cancelled because he couldn't keep his terrible ass opinions to himself

yea the dude is a total hack, his shit is so goddamn boring. That TEDX thing should have been funny but it wasn't at all because he's a terrible fucking actor and stumbled his way through it.

It's just Tim and Eric for people who think calling someone gay is funny as fuck
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: BigBoi on June 10, 2018, 11:26:01 AM
Yeah, what's worse, racists or people pointing out the racists? A question only a normal, non-racist person would ask.

racists for sure, but finger pointing over the internet is pretty bad too....... ;D
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: ChuckRamone on June 10, 2018, 02:19:12 PM
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Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: AllBranFlakes69 on June 10, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
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Why is pointing out that this person has a long history of making racist remarks, using Nazi symbols, and associating with white supremacists a "smear campaign"?
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Because he's not a Nazi.............He just an idiot...........

smear cam·paign
smi(ə)r kamˈpān/
noun
a plan to discredit a public figure by making false or dubious accusations.



99% of the accusations made were not false or dubious.
Title: Re: Primitive Progressivism - Racism, the industry, Jason Jesse - Free Skate Mag
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 10, 2018, 03:05:55 PM
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If you think this outrage shit is a little long in the tooth and you haven't seen this yet, you're blowing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJn_DBTnrY
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TEDx is the worst idea TED ever had so they kind of deserved this. But for real though, fuck this troll-culture dipshit Nazi sympathizer. People are impressed by the stupidest shit. What does this guy actually contribute beyond validating the anger of a bunch of incel, future school shooters and a shitty Andy Kaufman rip? He's the 4 chan version of a "just a prank bro" video come to life. The irony of these kooks thinking that "libtards" are self-congratulatory and smug is the peak of their comedy.
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(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/200/368/147.jpg)
Somebody has some anger issues.
Imagine siding with nazis so often that you have this image ready to go.
The internet is a great place for shitty people to find each other and legitimize eachother’s trash opinions