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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: VHS ERA on June 18, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
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Thinking about trying one. Most likely Real Ishod. Anyone skating a twin tail? Do you like it? Anything you miss about having a bigger nose?
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I'd rather have twin nose. I had a deathwish with a small nose and I just couldn't flick it right.
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I could never skate a symmetric board, I pop regs and fakie with the tail and switch and nollie with the nose.
It's quite common to pop fakie tricks with the nose, this is super wierd to me, the board should always be the same under my feet.
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I skate my boards backward usually, so I'd like the twin tail more than I did. I had the ishod 8.3. It just felt wide and short, but I skated really good on it. It was probably all in my head.
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So far so good I've been loving the twin tail, beware, you have to switch out your pivot cups and bushings, cause it's all different (or just buy new trucks).
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Twin deck with 6.75 nose/tail. That's longer than most tails, but shorter than most noses. Perfect?
https://imperfects.co/collections/skate/products/the-egg-ballshop-deck
Length: 31 ⅝
Width: 8.75
Nose: 6.75
Tail: 6.75
Wheel Base: 14.5
Medium Concave
Imperfects Circle Logo Graphic
Pressed by Watson
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1178/6632/products/ShopDeck-5x7_1800x1800.jpeg?v=1560216342)
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^ take it to 32" and add 3/16 on each end, but that looks pretty fun
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Love the 8.3 Ishod shape.
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I finally got my dream setup a few days ago. Twin tip element siamese Nick Garcia & Julian Davison 8.25 with 6.475 tips & 14.25 wb & 31.4 length.
BBS woodshop . So it's twin tail. It's pointy but in a good way like a good late 90s early 2000s tail from fine brands.
People who prefer shovel noses would start crying standing on this masterpiece of a deck.
I reentered skating recently after a ten years break. I had always been looking for a twin shape.
So few weeks ago I set up a creature evillive twin tail recently (only twin tail I could find except real which i will never ride and it's more of a nose I suspect) but it was fully dipped ugly and the shape was not my thing. Just not for me (too small a radius in tail rise).
The element tail is quite perfect. Smooth radius in rise and not too steep or flat. I'd say it's about medium to steep but does not feel too steep for my liking because of the mellow radius rise. Width concave is rather mellow. They have different widths of this shape. I know some people dont go for element but the graphic is alright and their team is also impressive, legends like Wray and Appleyard help as well.
The deck is ultra light as well. I weighed it at 230 grams with grip on, the creature was like 100 grams more and also being longer albeit having the same width.
I grew to abhor the obscenely huge noses ( not a fan of the big nose supremacy ) and always wanted a slick twin tail and now I got it.
Pop is very sweet, I had two great sessions on it till i screwed my ankle, gonna take a break.
I posted the set up in the thread site 706. It's got brand new trucks on and I recommend at least new bushings to get the symmetrical use going. Noses suck so hard, they're obsolete - a reaction to noseless early shapes transmitted into double kick times.
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Ishod: cons: short nose=whiff on nollie tricks, wheel base too big (standard generator), pro: don't have to worry about which end of board ie. easier for lines, double the wear too ie. less razor tail, mellow kicks works well too which is standard for generator. Ishod is the best too.... I'd buy em when they are available but I wouldn't buy 6 at a time....
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I finally got my dream setup a few days ago. Twin tip element siamese Nick Garcia & Julian Davison 8.25 with 6.475 tips & 14.25 wb & 31.4 length.
BBS woodshop . So it's twin tail. It's pointy but in a good way like a good late 90s early 2000s tail from fine brands.
People who prefer shovel noses would start crying standing on this masterpiece of a deck.
I reentered skating recently after a ten years break. I had always been looking for a twin shape.
So few weeks ago I set up a creature evillive twin tail recently (only twin tail I could find except real which i will never ride and it's more of a nose I suspect) but it was fully dipped ugly and the shape was not my thing. Just not for me (too small a radius in tail rise).
The element tail is quite perfect. Smooth radius in rise and not too steep or flat. I'd say it's about medium to steep but does not feel too steep for my liking because of the mellow radius rise. Width concave is rather mellow. They have different widths of this shape. I know some people dont go for element but the graphic is alright and their team is also impressive, legends like Wray and Appleyard help as well.
The deck is ultra light as well. I weighed it at 230 grams with grip on, the creature was like 100 grams more and also being longer albeit having the same width.
I grew to abhor the obscenely huge noses ( not a fan of the big nose supremacy ) and always wanted a slick twin tail and now I got it.
Pop is very sweet, I had two great sessions on it till i screwed my ankle, gonna take a break.
I posted the set up in the thread site 706. It's got brand new trucks on and I recommend at least new bushings to get the symmetrical use going. Noses suck so hard, they're obsolete - a reaction to noseless early shapes transmitted into double kick times.
There's a lot to unpack here.... indulge me, why would you "never ride" a Real? Putting aside that Element and Real both use BBS.
And no suspecting necessary, the Real twin tail is very much a twin tail, sub 32" length with 6.6" tails.
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I’m on my 3rd Twin Tail. All Real decks.
1st 2 were the 8.3 shape. The one I’m skating now is the 8.5 and it’s very comfortable. Nose and tail are so round it almost looks like a full shape.
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There's a lot to unpack here.... indulge me, why would you "never ride" a Real? Putting aside that Element and Real both use BBS.
And no suspecting necessary, the Real twin tail is very much a twin tail, sub 32" length with 6.6" tails.
I’m on my 3rd Twin Tail. All Real decks.
1st 2 were the 8.3 shape. The one I’m skating now is the 8.5 and it’s very comfortable. Nose and tail are so round it almost looks like a full shape.
The guy wrote about the shape. It sounds too round for my preference, even though I've never seen one live. 6.6 would be too long for my taste as well, I suspect. Also the real logo 99c store-like design just puts me off the whole brand. But I'd say Ishod graphics are nice. I only go for pointy/non-round stuff ever. That being said I am sure the real board is perfect for other people and Ishod is a ripper. Just preference.
Concerning the absence and phantom-pain some people imagine when lacking a huge, giant obscene nose... The nose design being bigger than the tail is an atavistic feature of early skateboarding when people were unable to swiftly pop with their front foot yet. I predict in ten years time the best skateboarders regarding switch stance mastery will mostly ride twin. The fact that the industry is sleeping on this is disappointing. Creature (no more as of yet by the way), otherness, real, element and some shop brand with an egg being the only brands providing this shape is scarce. Why is Girl sleeping on this?
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There's a lot to unpack here.... indulge me, why would you "never ride" a Real? Putting aside that Element and Real both use BBS.
And no suspecting necessary, the Real twin tail is very much a twin tail, sub 32" length with 6.6" tails.
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I’m on my 3rd Twin Tail. All Real decks.
1st 2 were the 8.3 shape. The one I’m skating now is the 8.5 and it’s very comfortable. Nose and tail are so round it almost looks like a full shape.
The guy wrote about the shape. It sounds too round for my preference, even though I've never seen one live. 6.6 would be too long for my taste as well, I suspect. Also the real logo 99c store-like design just puts me off the whole brand. But I'd say Ishod graphics are nice. I only go for pointy/non-round stuff ever. That being said I am sure the real board is perfect for other people and Ishod is a ripper. Just preference.
Concerning the absence and phantom-pain some people imagine when lacking a huge, giant obscene nose... The nose design being bigger than the tail is an atavistic feature of early skateboarding when people were unable to swiftly pop with their front foot yet. I predict in ten years time the best skateboarders regarding switch stance mastery will mostly ride twin. The fact that the industry is sleeping on this is disappointing. Creature (no more as of yet by the way), otherness, real, element and some shop brand with an egg being the only brands providing this shape is scarce. Why is Girl sleeping on this?
That's fair. I mean, I don't agree with your second paragraph but I respect your fleshed-out opinion (extra points for dropping 'atavism' in a sentence). I personally found the Ishod twin to be far too pointy for me (and too mellow). I like large square nose boards, but I'm just ollieing shit 99% of the time, so I can very much understand tech-wizards wanting a true mellow twin tail shape. Bobby Worrest pretty much single handedly upped Venture's market share and he's been riding twin tails lately so who knows, maybe their popularity will jump and you'll have more options sooner than later.
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That's fair. I mean, I don't agree with your second paragraph but I respect your fleshed-out opinion (extra points for dropping 'atavism' in a sentence). I personally found the Ishod twin to be far too pointy for me (and too mellow). I like large square nose boards, but I'm just ollieing shit 99% of the time, so I can very much understand tech-wizards wanting a true mellow twin tail shape. Bobby Worrest pretty much single handedly upped Venture's market share and he's been riding twin tails lately so who knows, maybe their popularity will jump and you'll have more options sooner than later.
I'm not a tech wizard either but grew to like leaner tips over the years. I get that there is upsides with fuller shapes as well. It's nice to have a selection of shapes for everybody. That's why I want brands to finally get this going.
Yes I forgot about the krooked twin from Worrest. It's the Ishod shape they say. Worrest riding Ventures got me thnking about them as well, how can he ride those strange things so well?
For people who are wondering about the twin idiocy, what it's about, effort post to get brands to step into this incoming:
When you have ridden your trucks for a considerable time, you pull a fs pop shove it (a varial heelflip or a hardflip for the masters) and your standing on your nose as the tail. You feel the trucks are crooked from all the asymmetric bending, caused by heel to front toe imbalance I guess. This feels just awful. No wonder most pros shove it back after 3 milliseconds landed in this stance like "get this back, I hate it".
When you have a twin board and twin ridden trucks, your board always feels crisp and straight, not bent like a stick from the woods.
In my later years I've come to the conclusion that the nose being different from the tail is root of most issues with switch skating. The different pop motion as in angle or time frame in pop necessitates you to learn all tricks a second time in a different manner from the time you learned them regular. Needless increase in complexity. The nose pops differently.
Also, the tail in front and the nose as tail when riding switch gives a very different weight distribution balance to the board while flipped, cause the nose swings more weight. This would show in rocket sw flips by the way. So sw flips suffer from that as well. No wonder so few people arrive at clean, poppy, nice sw flip and variations. By the way, I'm not a huge master, I was just some medium-to-advanced skater with some nice tricks and these times I'm happy to relearn some basics, as most is lost.
Considering needed pop of a nose for your front foot. Why does your back foot prefer the tail? If the nose was better, you'd ride it backwards like very few pros do (Decenzo and Berger until he made a twin nose shape, and Decenzo popped his nollie off El Toro off the tail/shorter tip).
Your tail is just fine but you learned popping on huge noses so your front foot wants this out of habit. If your front foot learns to pop swiftly and with force you will get better overall nollie and switch pop, not the sucking-up-knees-only pop most stagnate on (I think a "suck up only pop" could be due to overly steep noses/tips, but that's a different topic). Also consider that so few people use the tail for a sw pop because the trucks feel awful in this stance because they're bent as fck. Riding switch with your your backfoot on your tail is the worst feeling in skateboarding because of bent trucks. Try it, it's horror.
You will never have a bent feel on a twin tail, just the option to learn your sw pop in the same motions as your regular pop.
Finally, with twin tips you get a symmetrical motion with your board in every way you flip and rotate it. Every object designed to fully rotate is best designed as symmetrical. The more the differences/imbalances you add the less clean and predictable the flips should turn out.
My first nollies on a twin tail already felt like a huge relief. Relief from unnecessary huge, bulging, fat noses which serve no purpose but fcking up the pop and balance.
When will brands finally get this and make some symmetrical shapes to choose from, full, slim, pointy, longer, shorter, steeper and mellower for all tastes. We have two thousand board companies and only four or so got one symm. shape.
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I'm not a tech wizard either but grew to like leaner tips over the years. I get that there is upsides with fuller shapes as well. It's nice to have a selection of shapes for everybody. That's why I want brands to finally get this going.
Yes I forgot about the krooked twin from Worrest. It's the Ishod shape they say. Worrest riding Ventures got me thnking about them as well, how can he ride those strange things so well?
For people who are wondering about the twin idiocy, what it's about, effort post to get brands to step into this incoming:
When you have ridden your trucks for a considerable time, you pull a fs pop shove it (a varial heelflip or a hardflip for the masters) and your standing on your nose as the tail. You feel the trucks are crooked from all the asymmetric bending, caused by heel to front toe imbalance I guess. This feels just awful. No wonder most pros shove it back after 3 milliseconds landed in this stance like "get this back, I hate it".
When you have a twin board and twin ridden trucks, your board always feels crisp and straight, not bent like a stick from the woods.
In my later years I've come to the conclusion that the nose being different from the tail is root of most issues with switch skating. The different pop motion as in angle or time frame in pop necessitates you to learn all tricks a second time in a different manner from the time you learned them regular. Needless increase in complexity. The nose pops differently.
Also, the tail in front and the nose as tail when riding switch gives a very different weight distribution balance to the board while flipped, cause the nose swings more weight. This would show in rocket sw flips by the way. So sw flips suffer from that as well. No wonder so few people arrive at clean, poppy, nice sw flip and variations. By the way, I'm not a huge master, I was just some medium-to-advanced skater with some nice tricks and these times I'm happy to relearn some basics, as most is lost.
Considering needed pop of a nose for your front foot. Why does your back foot prefer the tail? If the nose was better, you'd ride it backwards like very few pros do (Decenzo and Berger until he made a twin nose shape, and Decenzo popped his nollie off El Toro off the tail/shorter tip).
Your tail is just fine but you learned popping on huge noses so your front foot wants this out of habit. If your front foot learns to pop swiftly and with force you will get better overall nollie and switch pop, not the sucking-up-knees-only pop most stagnate on (I think a "suck up only pop" could be due to overly steep noses/tips, but that's a different topic). Also consider that so few people use the tail for a sw pop because the trucks feel awful in this stance because they're bent as fck. Riding switch with your your backfoot on your tail is the worst feeling in skateboarding because of bent trucks. Try it, it's horror.
You will never have a bent feel on a twin tail, just the option to learn your sw pop in the same motions as your regular pop.
Finally, with twin tips you get a symmetrical motion with your board in every way you flip and rotate it. Every object designed to fully rotate is best designed as symmetrical. The more the differences/imbalances you add the less clean and predictable the flips should turn out.
My first nollies on a twin tail already felt like a huge relief. Relief from unnecessary huge, bulging, fat noses which serve no purpose but fcking up the pop and balance.
When will brands finally get this and make some symmetrical shapes to choose from, full, slim, pointy, longer, shorter, steeper and mellower for all tastes. We have two thousand board companies and only four or so got one symm. shape.
This is some deep truck madness rationale, and I back it. Heh. And seeing your posts in the truck thread lets me know you go hard on this topic, so, respect. The truck question is interesting and not without precedent, Ishod talks about running his trucks exactly the same and letting them break in as much on his 9 club. And Neen's recent vid about his twin nose says pretty much the same, so I can wrap my head around the idea of trucks breaking in 'wrong' for ss and nollie. My own dissenting view in terms of big nose/pop is that I'm rarely doing switch/nollie stuff and have great love of just cruising/popping and tweaking ollies over things and the big nose acts like a lovely scoop for my long ass legs to grab something for more clearance. With the twin tail, mellow noses, and other pointy nose offerings, I was accidentally olle-northing and getting broke off. It could have been mental or a dimension change somewhere else though.
Reading your post reminded me of the owner of DOA talking about the nose/nollie conundrum elsewhere on the boards, which led him to make the 90's 'flat as fuck' shape. Now, the nose on those decks is still definitely a nose - longer than a tail, and band-aid shaped - but more or less the same mellow steepness as the tail and a flat overall concave. Not exactly what you're talking about but might be worthwhile to check out.
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I skate my boards backward usually, so I'd like the twin tail more than I did. I had the ishod 8.3. It just felt wide and short, but I skated really good on it. It was probably all in my head.
No way! I been looking for you all my life
I was wondering who else rides their boards backwards besides me , kelly hart and Kenny Anderson
I did it and am so use to it cause same reason as Kenny
Thought the double kick was still the same idea as the old school boards where the higher kick was the tail
So use to it can’t change the habit, I’ve tried popping with the traditional tail and it just never works
Maybe the twin board will be good for me too
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Ryan Decenzo and Jeremy Klein....a friend of mine got me one of his prototypes when birdhouse first started and the tail was longer than the nose....he refused to accept modern technology. He ended up just skating boards backwards.
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I like this twin tail idea (blast from the past with a modern twist) and would like to obsess over my next purchase now. Can someone start a thread listing all current decks please?
Hopefully someone will make a 7.75 reinforced (impact/flight/vx) type one I can pay far too much for... other wish list items yet to exist, 8.25 v-hollows, wafflecup half-cab in non-pro shape please :)
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This is some deep truck madness rationale, and I back it. Heh. And seeing your posts in the truck thread lets me know you go hard on this topic, so, respect. The truck question is interesting and not without precedent, Ishod talks about running his trucks exactly the same and letting them break in as much on his 9 club. And Neen's recent vid about his twin nose says pretty much the same, so I can wrap my head around the idea of trucks breaking in 'wrong' for ss and nollie. My own dissenting view in terms of big nose/pop is that I'm rarely doing switch/nollie stuff and have great love of just cruising/popping and tweaking ollies over things and the big nose acts like a lovely scoop for my long ass legs to grab something for more clearance. With the twin tail, mellow noses, and other pointy nose offerings, I was accidentally olle-northing and getting broke off. It could have been mental or a dimension change somewhere else though.
Reading your post reminded me of the owner of DOA talking about the nose/nollie conundrum elsewhere on the boards, which led him to make the 90's 'flat as fuck' shape. Now, the nose on those decks is still definitely a nose - longer than a tail, and band-aid shaped - but more or less the same mellow steepness as the tail and a flat overall concave. Not exactly what you're talking about but might be worthwhile to check out.
This is a good point and I thought by myself that when I nollied or switch ollied, I never had a problem with the tail being a bit smaller. Also many pros pull huge sw ollies. But your point is maybe the best reason to keep producing asymmetrical decks. Some people also need bigger noses for noseslides (they do not seem to need them for tailsliding though...) or nose grinds (not needing them for sw nosegrinds though again...). I did n-slides, nosegrinds and k-grinds without noticing any issues really. Maybe your point would show up more with some people if they rode a really flat twin tail, like some mid-late 90s World Industries or some flip Penny tail. Maybe that'd be too flat, but that's why we just need several shapes out there, I am also backing the twin nose demand.
Either with the creature or the element symmetrical I had no issue pulling floaty ollies over hips, ollie over stuff. With the element I got better overall (shape appeal and me getting back into it) and pumped some big ollies out of banks, 180d a trash bin out of bank, all went just fine. So your point is there, but it might be a marginal issue I did not feel it.
When I started sw skating I tried once to use the tail and man this is so ugly when your trucks are bent, it's like the twilight zone. The trucks staying symmetrical just feels supremely right, I love it. Also landing 180 stuff just feels sooo nice, the symmetry feel is just so damn good. And it's also aesthetically more pleasing when looking down.
I don't know about the DOA noses, but sounds like the truck symmetry advantage would be lost with this asymmetrical yet similar shape. I noticed Girl shapes have some very close calls, nose and tail being similar but they're not even. As sw pop ability generally advances, my expectation is riders will embrace a symm. shape. Brands could now get it going. I'd be happy with like 10 shapes to choose from. My biggest fear is element stopping production and I'd be forced to ride something I do not want, maybe I'd start doing them myself then.
So for the guy asking for a listing thread. This would be a short thread since there is only like one double tail out there, three if you add the Ishod shape.
Element siamese series has I think three sizes and it is nice double tail
Real has Ishod twin series and most describe it as a middle ground between tail and nose
Krooked Worrest twin shape is said to be the Ishod shape, I don't know more
Otherness has a double nose going
Flip had a Berger double nose shape, but he is reshaping it and it's not out there now
Baker and Neen double nose is not out yet
Creature evillive was double tail but as of now it is not made anymore
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Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone knows where to find something symmetrical at roughly 8.25. I love the krooked/real twin tail but with covid finding just about anything is impossible
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Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone knows where to find something symmetrical at roughly 8.25. I love the krooked/real twin tail but with covid finding just about anything is impossible
Socal carries a Clutch twin kick blank sometimes. Right now they have a 8.5 and an 8.375.
https://socalskateshop.com/SoCal-Blank-X8-Skateboard-Deck-Brown-Stain-8375x318.html
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Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone knows where to find something symmetrical at roughly 8.25. I love the krooked/real twin tail but with covid finding just about anything is impossible
Socal carries a Clutch twin kick blank sometimes. Right now they have a 8.5 and an 8.375.
https://socalskateshop.com/SoCal-Blank-X8-Skateboard-Deck-Brown-Stain-8375x318.html
Thanks so much dude just picked it up. I just cracked my current board and while I don't love clutch, I had that shape before and forgot about it. If anyone else is wondering the 8.375 is a really solid shape, not too full not too pointy
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I have the Ishod 8.5". Poster above was right, it is almost like a full shape. Can't weight to ride it. My switch game is terrible but I wanted a board I could wear out evenly and throw down without a care.
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Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone knows where to find something symmetrical at roughly 8.25. I love the krooked/real twin tail but with covid finding just about anything is impossible
Socal carries a Clutch twin kick blank sometimes. Right now they have a 8.5 and an 8.375.
https://socalskateshop.com/SoCal-Blank-X8-Skateboard-Deck-Brown-Stain-8375x318.html
Bought this board last week. I can't wait to try it, but if I read this topic correctly, I understand that I really really really NEED these fresh new trucks I was hesitating to buy ;D
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Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone knows where to find something symmetrical at roughly 8.25. I love the krooked/real twin tail but with covid finding just about anything is impossible
Socal carries a Clutch twin kick blank sometimes. Right now they have a 8.5 and an 8.375.
https://socalskateshop.com/SoCal-Blank-X8-Skateboard-Deck-Brown-Stain-8375x318.html
Bought this board last week. I can't wait to try it, but if I read this topic correctly, I understand that I really really really NEED these fresh new trucks I was hesitating to buy ;D
Are all their blank boards from Clutch?
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Creature evillive was double tail but as of now it is not made anymore
My 2nd favorite so far - The Mystery Symetry decks were the best as they had shorter WBs, everything now 14.3+, even the creature was 14.5" for an 8.2.
Too bad the Ishod 8.25 has a long WB (longer than the 8.3...wtf dlx).
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So I normally skate either an 8.25 Full SE or 8.38 Manderson shape or Quasi 8.25, lately with Thunders and Indy's in the past. I've never quite settled on it, but the pop is great and for the most part have no issues. I was thinking of doing something drastic like trying a twin tail with Ventures or Thunders. Has anyone else ridden both shapes and have feedback? Or even shapes with similar dimensions.
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Creature evillive was double tail but as of now it is not made anymore
My 2nd favorite so far - The Mystery Symetry decks were the best as they had shorter WBs, everything now 14.3+, even the creature was 14.5" for an 8.2.
Too bad the Ishod 8.25 has a long WB (longer than the 8.3...wtf dlx).
I don’t think that’s accurate.
https://www.realskateboards.com/spring-2020/
14.33 vs 14.4
But nevertheless, I agree that the wb is relatively long. (My legs are probably a few inches shorter than Ishod’s).
I skated the 8.25, and although I liked it for certain things, in the end I retired it early and went back to boards with a full nose.
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So I normally skate either an 8.25 Full SE or 8.38 Manderson shape or Quasi 8.25, lately with Thunders and Indy's in the past. I've never quite settled on it, but the pop is great and for the most part have no issues. I was thinking of doing something drastic like trying a twin tail with Ventures or Thunders. Has anyone else ridden both shapes and have feedback? Or even shapes with similar dimensions.
I used to skate the quasi 8.25 with the 14.25 wb pretty frequently. snagged the 8.5 twin tail and have been skating it the last few weeks. I love it. might make this shape a staple for me going forward.
initially when I set it up I put thunder 151 standards on it until I noticed I bent the axle, felt awesome. tried out venture 5.8s and wasn't feeling it, settled on cast indys, though that had more to do with the turn than the pop or anything like that.
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That's fair. I mean, I don't agree with your second paragraph but I respect your fleshed-out opinion (extra points for dropping 'atavism' in a sentence). I personally found the Ishod twin to be far too pointy for me (and too mellow). I like large square nose boards, but I'm just ollieing shit 99% of the time, so I can very much understand tech-wizards wanting a true mellow twin tail shape. Bobby Worrest pretty much single handedly upped Venture's market share and he's been riding twin tails lately so who knows, maybe their popularity will jump and you'll have more options sooner than later.
I'm not a tech wizard either but grew to like leaner tips over the years. I get that there is upsides with fuller shapes as well. It's nice to have a selection of shapes for everybody. That's why I want brands to finally get this going.
Yes I forgot about the krooked twin from Worrest. It's the Ishod shape they say. Worrest riding Ventures got me thnking about them as well, how can he ride those strange things so well?
For people who are wondering about the twin idiocy, what it's about, effort post to get brands to step into this incoming:
When you have ridden your trucks for a considerable time, you pull a fs pop shove it (a varial heelflip or a hardflip for the masters) and your standing on your nose as the tail. You feel the trucks are crooked from all the asymmetric bending, caused by heel to front toe imbalance I guess. This feels just awful. No wonder most pros shove it back after 3 milliseconds landed in this stance like "get this back, I hate it".
When you have a twin board and twin ridden trucks, your board always feels crisp and straight, not bent like a stick from the woods.
In my later years I've come to the conclusion that the nose being different from the tail is root of most issues with switch skating. The different pop motion as in angle or time frame in pop necessitates you to learn all tricks a second time in a different manner from the time you learned them regular. Needless increase in complexity. The nose pops differently.
Also, the tail in front and the nose as tail when riding switch gives a very different weight distribution balance to the board while flipped, cause the nose swings more weight. This would show in rocket sw flips by the way. So sw flips suffer from that as well. No wonder so few people arrive at clean, poppy, nice sw flip and variations. By the way, I'm not a huge master, I was just some medium-to-advanced skater with some nice tricks and these times I'm happy to relearn some basics, as most is lost.
Considering needed pop of a nose for your front foot. Why does your back foot prefer the tail? If the nose was better, you'd ride it backwards like very few pros do (Decenzo and Berger until he made a twin nose shape, and Decenzo popped his nollie off El Toro off the tail/shorter tip).
Your tail is just fine but you learned popping on huge noses so your front foot wants this out of habit. If your front foot learns to pop swiftly and with force you will get better overall nollie and switch pop, not the sucking-up-knees-only pop most stagnate on (I think a "suck up only pop" could be due to overly steep noses/tips, but that's a different topic). Also consider that so few people use the tail for a sw pop because the trucks feel awful in this stance because they're bent as fck. Riding switch with your your backfoot on your tail is the worst feeling in skateboarding because of bent trucks. Try it, it's horror.
You will never have a bent feel on a twin tail, just the option to learn your sw pop in the same motions as your regular pop.
Finally, with twin tips you get a symmetrical motion with your board in every way you flip and rotate it. Every object designed to fully rotate is best designed as symmetrical. The more the differences/imbalances you add the less clean and predictable the flips should turn out.
My first nollies on a twin tail already felt like a huge relief. Relief from unnecessary huge, bulging, fat noses which serve no purpose but fcking up the pop and balance.
When will brands finally get this and make some symmetrical shapes to choose from, full, slim, pointy, longer, shorter, steeper and mellower for all tastes. We have two thousand board companies and only four or so got one symm. shape.
This. All of this.
Agree on the DLX TT being too pointy (and just a bit flat all around)...they Mystery Symmetry boards (twin noses) were the fucking best because they were giant, useless noses.
The Creature EvilivE series was on decet, 6.5" twin tails (but the wheel base was long @14.5 and the length was 32" and a bit pointy). the 'Sacred Symmetry' run was even better:
(https://www.muirskate.com/photos/products/2863/hd_product_Creature_Sacred_Symmetry_Die__set_HD_.png)
If someone makes a squareish twin tail, 31.75/.85 and a 14.25 " WB in multiple widths I think we'd have a winner.
(https://images.boardriders.com/global/element-products/all/default/medium-large2/bdlguffe_element,pg_ast_frt2.jpg)
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The new Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Steadfast VX decks are symetrical:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofpsC6MoSs&ab_channel=SantaCruzSkateboards
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The new Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Steadfast VX decks are symetrical:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofpsC6MoSs&ab_channel=SantaCruzSkateboards
Wow, didn't know that...couldn't stand that video lol so I didn't get that far :P
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape or length.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
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on my 3rd twin tail krooked.
i was skeptical at first, but now i cant see myself going back to non symmetrical boards
so nice for ledges / lines.
also i rarely get razor tail anymore which is a plus
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I just tried the 8" Ishod, and I didn't like it. Now if it had a slightly shorter wb and longer "tails" it would of been amazing. It was my first symmetrical board, and I love the idea of it.. I should of gone with the 8.38 I guess.
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I'd rather have twin nose. I had a deathwish with a small nose and I just couldn't flick it right.
Wait.... You mean you skated it backwards?
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I just tried the 8" Ishod, and I didn't like it. Now if it had a slightly shorter wb and longer "tails" it would of been amazing. It was my first symmetrical board, and I love the idea of it.. I should of gone with the 8.38 I guess.
8.3 has a long WB tho...14.4"
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape or length.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
Interesting, I assumed they meant the nose and tails were the same length. My bad.
Let me know how the VX decks treat you, I'm really into the fancy tech boards like P2 (now discontinued). Loving the Flip I've been riding, picked up 7 more on clearance.
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
Interesting, I assumed they meant the nose and tails were the same length. My bad.
Let me know how the VX decks treat you, I'm really into the fancy tech boards like P2 (now discontinued). Loving the Flip I've been riding, picked up 7 more on clearance.
In that vid he mentioned that the board has symmetrical kicks and nose and tail length @ 6.71" (which my be long for me but whatever) - nothing on shape.
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I have a local skateboard maker doing a custom twin tail for me. I can afford it these days and it's cool to support a skater owned business so why the fuck not.
Dimensions are:
8" wide
6.7" symmetrical nose/tail
14.5" wheelbase
90s style taper shape
He has been sending me progress pics along the way, here's the rough cutout... Pretty amped to try it.
(https://i.ibb.co/QJnmvm4/Screenshot-20200906-233943-2.png) (https://ibb.co/QJnmvm4)
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I have a local skateboard maker doing a custom twin tail for me. I can afford it these days and it's cool to support a skater owned business so why the fuck not.
Dimensions are:
8" wide
6.7" symmetrical nose/tail
14.5" wheelbase
90s style taper shape
He has been sending me progress pics along the way, here's the rough cutout... Pretty amped to try it.
(https://i.ibb.co/QJnmvm4/Screenshot-20200906-233943-2.png) (https://ibb.co/QJnmvm4)
nice sounds fun. Keep progress updated and good on you to support local skater owned
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I just tried the 8" Ishod, and I didn't like it. Now if it had a slightly shorter wb and longer "tails" it would of been amazing. It was my first symmetrical board, and I love the idea of it.. I should of gone with the 8.38 I guess.
8.3 has a long WB tho...14.4"
Oh thanks! I thought it was shorter.
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Just got done skating a Ishod Twin 8.25. I liked it for some things, but it doesn't suit my skating style at all.
As already mentioned in this thread, the deck lasts forever because you can skate it both ways which means trucks and wheels also wear evenly. If you skate your front and back truck different tightness though, you wont benefit from that.
However, and it makes sense looking at Ishod's skating, this is a board for someone who skates with grace and finesse. I tend to skate with brute force, so I found myself sometimes moving my front foot too far forward off the nose and smashing my ankle with the board. I just switched to a Hockey deck, so that solved my problems.
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Just got done skating a Ishod Twin 8.25. I liked it for some things, but it doesn't suit my skating style at all.
As already mentioned in this thread, the deck lasts forever because you can skate it both ways which means trucks and wheels also wear evenly. If you skate your front and back truck different tightness though, you wont benefit from that.
However, and it makes sense looking at Ishod's skating, this is a board for someone who skates with grace and finesse. I tend to skate with brute force, so I found myself sometimes moving my front foot too far forward off the nose and smashing my ankle with the board. I just switched to a Hockey deck, so that solved my problems.
Excellent assessment; I didn't kickflip for the 3 weeks I was riding this deck, mainly because I didn't have a nose to pop my kickflips off.
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Yo what up?
tbh when i was younger, i thought all contemporary decks were "twin tails". i didnt really pay attention to shapes or making sure to skate the tail until a few years ago after hearing ishod talk about his setup on the 9club. i still dont really pay attention to that stuff. its cool for people that are into it but i tend to adapt to my setup a week after changing something. I am on my second ishod peaches deck and its cool but its also not a big deal. its a fraction of an inch. both times i set it up with new trucks. I would at least use new bushings.
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
Interesting, I assumed they meant the nose and tails were the same length. My bad.
Let me know how the VX decks treat you, I'm really into the fancy tech boards like P2 (now discontinued). Loving the Flip I've been riding, picked up 7 more on clearance.
In that vid he mentioned that the board has symmetrical kicks and nose and tail length @ 6.71" (which my be long for me but whatever) - nothing on shape.
Nose and tail do seem to be the same length, haven't gripped it yet to be able to tell if they have the same shape or not.
But for those following, it's a bit lighter than most decks I have on hand with similar dims but not lighter than the King of Light decks: Primitive (by about 30 grams).
Kicks are steep-AF...they match up with the other SC deck I have, as well as a dwindle/Almost....
Compared to a plan b:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uN_Euhr-VdQQQCfOl2UTsI-hMfj6QiXNHJFye-LRBm5gv-WHan4gLAGJB3LIDZDnOwWjL-BHTq4u6mYehBjFVnGpG79jqIJSD9EwoC3TRDkM-4-AAs1uRGwdiiktXhUoZlWQdoWnF2I)
Polar:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0kHv-LU3hwHCrtUIystw-su8EZWFbQEhToJANkVNomihMiiBxqsVoOs9nqqa99dqBRL17gQiE_dc76ahC6X39NB4puTB5Vt0Ek4kbWI1rLPXoiRYD91tIum5HsdAxVIfbimPEMz6kZM)
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
Interesting, I assumed they meant the nose and tails were the same length. My bad.
Let me know how the VX decks treat you, I'm really into the fancy tech boards like P2 (now discontinued). Loving the Flip I've been riding, picked up 7 more on clearance.
In that vid he mentioned that the board has symmetrical kicks and nose and tail length @ 6.71" (which my be long for me but whatever) - nothing on shape.
Nose and tail do seem to be the same length, haven't gripped it yet to be able to tell if they have the same shape or not.
But for those following, it's a bit lighter than most decks I have on hand with similar dims but not lighter than the King of Light decks: Primitive (by about 30 grams).
Kicks are steep-AF...they match up with the other SC deck I have, as well as a dwindle/Almost....
Compared to a plan b:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uN_Euhr-VdQQQCfOl2UTsI-hMfj6QiXNHJFye-LRBm5gv-WHan4gLAGJB3LIDZDnOwWjL-BHTq4u6mYehBjFVnGpG79jqIJSD9EwoC3TRDkM-4-AAs1uRGwdiiktXhUoZlWQdoWnF2I)
Polar:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0kHv-LU3hwHCrtUIystw-su8EZWFbQEhToJANkVNomihMiiBxqsVoOs9nqqa99dqBRL17gQiE_dc76ahC6X39NB4puTB5Vt0Ek4kbWI1rLPXoiRYD91tIum5HsdAxVIfbimPEMz6kZM)
Damn those kicks are very steep. Definitely going with a low truck. I guess going steeper extends the boards life, wish they went a little mellower to allow for more truck combinations. How's the concave on that?
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
Interesting, I assumed they meant the nose and tails were the same length. My bad.
Let me know how the VX decks treat you, I'm really into the fancy tech boards like P2 (now discontinued). Loving the Flip I've been riding, picked up 7 more on clearance.
In that vid he mentioned that the board has symmetrical kicks and nose and tail length @ 6.71" (which my be long for me but whatever) - nothing on shape.
Nose and tail do seem to be the same length, haven't gripped it yet to be able to tell if they have the same shape or not.
But for those following, it's a bit lighter than most decks I have on hand with similar dims but not lighter than the King of Light decks: Primitive (by about 30 grams).
Kicks are steep-AF...they match up with the other SC deck I have, as well as a dwindle/Almost....
Compared to a plan b:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uN_Euhr-VdQQQCfOl2UTsI-hMfj6QiXNHJFye-LRBm5gv-WHan4gLAGJB3LIDZDnOwWjL-BHTq4u6mYehBjFVnGpG79jqIJSD9EwoC3TRDkM-4-AAs1uRGwdiiktXhUoZlWQdoWnF2I)
Polar:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0kHv-LU3hwHCrtUIystw-su8EZWFbQEhToJANkVNomihMiiBxqsVoOs9nqqa99dqBRL17gQiE_dc76ahC6X39NB4puTB5Vt0Ek4kbWI1rLPXoiRYD91tIum5HsdAxVIfbimPEMz6kZM)
Damn those kicks are very steep. Definitely going with a low truck. I guess going steeper extends the boards life, wish they went a little mellower to allow for more truck combinations. How's the concave on that?
Medium-Deep. NOT mellow at all.
I'm on the fence with 144s or 5.6s with a lean (heh) towards the Ventures:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/405omZxUYLBTbRz1uKx77fapBWaXs6vNdMuxmmUO38pr90i0gHsjC9OxT5UB7QXC3FFAaEvujXf2TVmElDIbwkSxRxUx2XDoJaYVrFxv_D5xJPb0kGdANcgevlMK9NYrz_859cxsFzM)
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
I'm also interested in the truck situation. I ordered a twintail but don't want to buy a new set of trucks so just ordered new bushings hoping it'll be enough , I don't really have any grooves so the axel won't be a problem. Would love to hear any differing opinions or validations
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
I'm also interested in the truck situation. I ordered a twintail but don't want to buy a new set of trucks so just ordered new bushings hoping it'll be enough , I don't really have any grooves so the axel won't be a problem. Would love to hear any differing opinions or validations
I just loosened my trucks up to a little more than finger tight, and I didn't have any issues at all. I had broken in Bones medium bushings on 139 indys and was starting the process of experimenting with looser trucks at the time anyhow. Reading through this thread is making me wish I liked it so bad, twin tails are such a good idea imo.
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Tried both. Opted for fresh trucks. Old ones pretty much felt the same on both ends but it threw me off mentally so I stuck with fresh ones.
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
I swapped in new pivot cups and checked my bushings for any deformities (they were pretty fresh), put them back together and kept the nut flush with the kingpin as usual. Didn't stress too much about it.
If you are using beat up/old ass bushings I'd probably opt for fresh cups and bushings to start fresh out of the gate as you get used it. I'd imagine it's tougher for those that ride tighter and those that ride tight in the back/loose in the front to adjust; I've always made sure my trucks felt the same no matter the direction (bennies of loose trucks is you don't notice).
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I bought fresh 5.6's and made sure they were equal looseness. Working fine so far. I actually really like the setup other than for locking into crooks.
What is the closest shape to the Bobby twin tail? 8.38 or 8.25 full with the 14.38?
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Im loving my Ishod 8.3 twin tail.
Id get that SC McCoy one if the tails weren’t so steep.
Sifting through a few more vids they've done recently, it appears that a good amount of their decks have symmetrical kick angles (nose and tail being the same degree of kick) but not shape.
I picked one up...sigh, I'm a sucker.
Interesting, I assumed they meant the nose and tails were the same length. My bad.
Let me know how the VX decks treat you, I'm really into the fancy tech boards like P2 (now discontinued). Loving the Flip I've been riding, picked up 7 more on clearance.
In that vid he mentioned that the board has symmetrical kicks and nose and tail length @ 6.71" (which my be long for me but whatever) - nothing on shape.
Nose and tail do seem to be the same length, haven't gripped it yet to be able to tell if they have the same shape or not.
But for those following, it's a bit lighter than most decks I have on hand with similar dims but not lighter than the King of Light decks: Primitive (by about 30 grams).
Kicks are steep-AF...they match up with the other SC deck I have, as well as a dwindle/Almost....
Compared to a plan b:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uN_Euhr-VdQQQCfOl2UTsI-hMfj6QiXNHJFye-LRBm5gv-WHan4gLAGJB3LIDZDnOwWjL-BHTq4u6mYehBjFVnGpG79jqIJSD9EwoC3TRDkM-4-AAs1uRGwdiiktXhUoZlWQdoWnF2I)
Polar:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0kHv-LU3hwHCrtUIystw-su8EZWFbQEhToJANkVNomihMiiBxqsVoOs9nqqa99dqBRL17gQiE_dc76ahC6X39NB4puTB5Vt0Ek4kbWI1rLPXoiRYD91tIum5HsdAxVIfbimPEMz6kZM)
Damn those kicks are very steep. Definitely going with a low truck. I guess going steeper extends the boards life, wish they went a little mellower to allow for more truck combinations. How's the concave on that?
Medium-Deep. NOT mellow at all.
I'm on the fence with 144s or 5.6s with a lean (heh) towards the Ventures:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/405omZxUYLBTbRz1uKx77fapBWaXs6vNdMuxmmUO38pr90i0gHsjC9OxT5UB7QXC3FFAaEvujXf2TVmElDIbwkSxRxUx2XDoJaYVrFxv_D5xJPb0kGdANcgevlMK9NYrz_859cxsFzM)
Confirmed! The board is symmetrical (length and shape of nose and tail); making it more of a symmetrical double kick rather than a Twin Tail or Double Nose/Twin Nose as the 6.71 is sort right in between industry standards for nose and tail length...it's longer for standard tails but shorter than standard noses...
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There was a few guys on here that were just starting to try out twin tails, I was wondering how you all are liking it. I set mine back up, and it is starting to really grow on me now. Definately glad I didn't give it away like I said I would. They require patience for sure.
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So far had a couple great and couple not great sessions on it (Worrest 8.38, 14.4WB). I also switched to Ventures at the same time coming from Thunders with a 14.25 WB. Seems great for most manuals, back 180s, flip tricks, but obviously not nollie stuff or locking into crooks yet. Giving it time and like it enough to have scooped a spare Ishod twin up hopefully they're identical. Might set that one up with my Thunders even to I have used them on a normal setup.
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There was a few guys on here that were just starting to try out twin tails, I was wondering how you all are liking it. I set mine back up, and it is starting to really grow on me now. Definately glad I didn't give it away like I said I would. They require patience for sure.
So far I've ridden 4 different twin tails and I've loved them all. To me the benefits outweigh the negatives. However I do prefer when the kicks are about 6.7 so it's not quite as short as a normal tail on both ends.
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
I swapped in new pivot cups and checked my bushings for any deformities (they were pretty fresh), put them back together and kept the nut flush with the kingpin as usual. Didn't stress too much about it.
If you are using beat up/old ass bushings I'd probably opt for fresh cups and bushings to start fresh out of the gate as you get used it. I'd imagine it's tougher for those that ride tighter and those that ride tight in the back/loose in the front to adjust; I've always made sure my trucks felt the same no matter the direction (bennies of loose trucks is you don't notice).
Short answer: At least buy new Bushings.
Long answer:
I've been skating twin tails(mostly 8.25 real) for like 2 years now exclusively with one exception. Started with a pair of fresh thunder 149 which are still perfectly symmetrical in terms of use and turn. In the beginning of this year I bought new trucks(5.25 film) for an additional 8.0 inch deck(feel of nostalgia). Then I skated a 8.0 twin tail after it, which I really did not like because of the short and small tails. Also the different turning trucks where driving me nuts. Now I am on the second 8.3 twin tail(krooked) on the same set of film trucks. I swapped in green venture bushings(94A) I had laying around with flat bottom washer and now my board is basically not turning at all anymore and it feels like shit, but at least both trucks are the same. Somehow everything works for me really well even though it feels like shit if that does make any sense. Learned a lot of new stuff even though I did not have too much time to skate lately.
Flip tricks work equally good or better for me on that shape except that my kickflips are defintely less high than with a non symmetrical shape but I can live with that trade off. It is mostly when i try to kickflip straight over or onto stuff. I guess I am just missing a little bit of space on the "nose". Would love to try a more squarish twin tail but I don't know any which are available here in Europe.
Anyways I like the freedom to not think about direction of the board and that i don't get razor tail anymore, which means I have to buy decks less frequently, because I don't break boards.
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
I swapped in new pivot cups and checked my bushings for any deformities (they were pretty fresh), put them back together and kept the nut flush with the kingpin as usual. Didn't stress too much about it.
If you are using beat up/old ass bushings I'd probably opt for fresh cups and bushings to start fresh out of the gate as you get used it. I'd imagine it's tougher for those that ride tighter and those that ride tight in the back/loose in the front to adjust; I've always made sure my trucks felt the same no matter the direction (bennies of loose trucks is you don't notice).
Short answer: At least buy new Bushings.
Long answer:
I've been skating twin tails(mostly 8.25 real) for like 2 years now exclusively with one exception. Started with a pair of fresh thunder 149 which are still perfectly symmetrical in terms of use and turn. In the beginning of this year I bought new trucks(5.25 film) for an additional 8.0 inch deck(feel of nostalgia). Then I skated a 8.0 twin tail after it, which I really did not like because of the short and small tails. Also the different turning trucks where driving me nuts. Now I am on the second 8.3 twin tail(krooked) on the same set of film trucks. I swapped in green venture bushings(94A) I had laying around with flat bottom washer and now my board is basically not turning at all anymore and it feels like shit, but at least both trucks are the same. Somehow everything works for me really well even though it feels like shit if that does make any sense. Learned a lot of new stuff even though I did not have too much time to skate lately.
Flip tricks work equally good or better for me on that shape except that my kickflips are defintely less high than with a non symmetrical shape but I can live with that trade off. It is mostly when i try to kickflip straight over or onto stuff. I guess I am just missing a little bit of space on the "nose". Would love to try a more squarish twin tail but I don't know any which are available here in Europe.
Anyways I like the freedom to not think about direction of the board and that i don't get razor tail anymore, which means I have to buy decks less frequently, because I don't break boards.
If you find one, I would love to know please.
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Thanks for the feeback guys, a somewhat pointy 6.75 nose/tail on a 8" would be ideal for me (I think). If that never comes around, it sounds like the 8.25 Ishod might be as close as I will get. The last couple days I have been getting over the mental game (mostly aesthetics) of how short the kicks are on my 8" Ishod, but it definitely still affects some aspects of my skating. And I certainly dont need my setup fighting against me..I have enough problems already ;D
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Struggling out here unable to find a twin tail anywhere. Even tried contacting clutch for samples but they said minimum of 100 decks per order.
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@Xen good call on the pivot cup suggestion. I initially just swapped bushings but it felt super off, the fresh pivot cups made a night and day difference.
That said, I really wish the tails were bigger on the 8" Ishod. Not fretting about board direction has been so good but it's just not enough real estate. I know some people jumped up to an 8.25 to fix that problem but I'd really like to find a twin tail 8" with bigger tails.
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@Xen good call on the pivot cup suggestion. I initially just swapped bushings but it felt super off, the fresh pivot cups made a night and day difference.
That said, I really wish the tails were bigger on the 8" Ishod. Not fretting about board direction has been so good but it's just not enough real estate. I know some people jumped up to an 8.25 to fix that problem but I'd really like to find a twin tail 8" with bigger tails.
@trash Glad it worked! Pivots get grooved/deformed/blown out just as much as bushings (I think of them as the heel in your shoes after they break in); I still feel that when switching to symmetrical kicks a full truck rebuild (bushings+pivots) is the best bet so you can adjust...I'd also throw in new wheels to you are starting off with fresh speed check side wheels ;)
This is my main issue with most/current TT or TN...it's the fact that they have to be one or the other instead of a twin kick that falls in the middle. I don't want a twin tail as I want them to be a bit longer and I don't want a twin nose...because why the fuck do you want that :P
The (8.25)" VX McCoy deck falls in the middle at 6.71" Nose and Tails and since it's tapered it looks/feels longer than it is (compared to the stubby/round feel of the DLX TT).
Good luck on finding an 8.0 tho (don't think they made the mcoy in an 8"
All that aside, once you get used it and overcome the 'need' to have your board one way, skating becomes more relaxed as you are taking the board direction setup out of the equation. But again, people who ride different tightness or bushing combos in each truck won't find this easy at all.
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Does anyone know which twin tail/nose decks are available right now?
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Does anyone know which twin tail/nose decks are available right now?
SC VX McCoy
Ishod TT
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SC VX McCoy
Ishod TT
Worrest TT
Also add Deathwish Neen Twin Nose, I've seen a few floating around
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SC VX McCoy
Ishod TT
Worrest TT
Also add Deathwish Neen Twin Nose, I've seen a few floating around
Everyone's favorite shop has it of course...(dimensions are off compared to the official DW site)
https://www.zumiez.com/deathwish-neen-extended-trip-8-12-skateboard-deck.html?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=1073999&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5eX7BRDQARIsAMhYLP_sE4l3EPOLmbaO4J6Hu_7Ts56d2fm92nPsb4sPnRQ9vDRA3V7xEVAaAij8EALw_wcB
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Anyone out there know of brands using the clutch 8.38 twin tail shape? Graphic wouldn't matter if I could find it. Honestly finding any twin tail now would be solid
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Anyone out there know of brands using the clutch 8.38 twin tail shape? Graphic wouldn't matter if I could find it. Honestly finding any twin tail now would be solid
I wonder if they would be able to help you find one...
https://www.clutchdistribution.com/contact.html
https://www.asfdistribution.com/contacts/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwHyMqolRKY/
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Been on a hunt for an ishod twin tail series board that’s anywhere from 8.1-8.3 with no luck. Skating one now and really wish i copped multiple.
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To the guys who liked the Ishod twin tail (or any twin tail), did you end up reusing trucks/bushings or start from scratch? I'm thinking about grabbing one but worried I'll end up hating it if I'm breaking in trucks at the same time.
I put in a fresh set of bushings i had...i really liked the deck. For me, i dont do tricks off the nose or skate switch...so the biggest benefit was that i got a lot more durability out of it, didnt razor tail as quick as other decks, also the smaller nose meant it was a lighter pop which i liked.
The thing i didnt like and why i went to brown bomber was mainly because i couldnt get along with the narrow deck, and although there’s an 8.5 version of the Ishod, the WB and length is too long for me.
If there was an 8.5-8.75 x 32 x 14-14.4 twin tail, id be all over it
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Been on a hunt for an ishod twin tail series board that’s anywhere from 8.1-8.3 with no luck. Skating one now and really wish i copped multiple.
Krooked is doing another one in the next drop - some shops already have it, but Krooked is yet to actually put it up, but it is the normal twin 8.3 x 31.9 with 14.4 wheelbase, slick too if I recall correctly, a grey colour with something like a fist or other weird thing on it.
https://krookedskateboarding.com/
This is just the pic from last catalog (which might still be out there somewhere), and then the pic from last year of the slick version.
(https://krookedskateboarding.com/fall20/kr-2020-del-4-10.jpg)
(https://krookedskateboarding.com/spring20/kr-sp20-d2-dt-03.jpg)
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Been on a hunt for an ishod twin tail series board that’s anywhere from 8.1-8.3 with no luck. Skating one now and really wish i copped multiple.
https://www.calsk8.com/shop-skateboards/p/bobby-worrest-archur-838-slick-deck-by-krooked-skateboards
Three in stock if that helps.
To clarify, these are the same boards, first done by Real for Ishod and then used by and liked by Bobby Worrest so much they did one for him too. The slick is just a coating they put on the deck which makes it slide a bit more, so not anything to increase weight or change performance at all.
Hope that helps.
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Been hunting for the 8.3 Archur in any german (online) shop I could find. The 8.06 non TT version is found easily, but not the 8.3. It almost seems like no shop ever got it. I have one Worrest Destroyer in reserve, but I swapped to a non TT because it felt like a waste using it during the winter/lock down situation. Seen some TTs in British shops but shipping is quite expensive and ordering like 3 or above might be a struggle with import duties.
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Slicks do add a little bit of weight since it's a 7-ply board but with an added thinner layer of polymer, but nothing too noticable.
My first twin tail was a Ishod 8.5 but found it a tad too big. I now settled on either the 8.25 or 8.3 slicks (Ishod's or Worrest's) which are almost indentical in length, wheelbase and tail(s) lengths. I weighed a few just out of curiosity, the 8.25 were around 1260gr, the 8.3 slicks around 1350gr...
The 8.5 has much more round, fuller/blunter tails compared to the other sizes that have just a slight taper that I prefer personally.
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Flip has a few twin tails in their current lineup. They all seem to be 8.25 x 31.88 or 8.25 x 32.5.
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Has anyone ever tried if it works to saw/sand a little bit off of your nose to make a normal deck more like a twin tail?
I tried it a while back with an old deck, because I couldn't find a twin tail anywhere on earth. I accidentally made the nose even smaller than the tail, so it didn't skate very well.
But has anyone ever tried this succesfully? Or will this never work due to the difference in steepness?
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Real has a new catalog release with all the twins...
https://www.realskateboards.com/
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2021/rs-sp21-d2-05.jpg)
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2021/rs-sp21-del2-ishodtt-06.jpg)
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
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I wonder if it’s to hit a preferred length on the nose/tail without shortening the board? I have a Clutch X11 which is an 8.75 symmetrical popsicle with 14.25 wheelbase, lengthening the kicks to 7” which might turn some people off. I feel like the symmetry means whoever is shaping the board has to really consider the relationship between length, WB, and kick length to get a board that someone can hop on and ride just like their regular popsicle.
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Real has a new catalog release with all the twins...
https://www.realskateboards.com/
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2021/rs-sp21-d2-05.jpg)
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2021/rs-sp21-del2-ishodtt-06.jpg)
I have the 8.3 which I really like, would love the 8.5 if the wb was shorter
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yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
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yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
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yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
6.6 and for anyone curious the longer wheelbase does not mess with you as much as it would on a normal popsicle IMO. Maybe that just in my head, but my skating was only affected by the lack of nose if anything.
And for any of you guys skating the 8.3 which trucks do you have on it.
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The double tail/nose combo ain’t my cup of coffee but DLX can do a good one.
Riding a Krooked Bobby which is 8.25-8.3, can’t remember but it’s cool. I’d just rather have the option for both in the street. Riding it showed me the use of having both.
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
And for any of you guys skating the 8.3 which trucks do you have on it.
The 8.3 sits really well on 8.25 trucks, so Indy 144s for the ones I have skated - tech friend's board, but it rode well.
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
And for any of you guys skating the 8.3 which trucks do you have on it.
The 8.3 sits really well on 8.25 trucks, so Indy 144s for the ones I have skated - tech friend's board, but it rode well.
This spring I should try my Indy 144 hollows on it. I tried regular 5.6 Ventures on it, it wasn't too terrible but that was just initial impression. I know I could find something better. Thanks for the input man
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
And for any of you guys skating the 8.3 which trucks do you have on it.
I rode 144’s but i prefer the thunder 148’s
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Since there are so few symmetrical shapes out there. Is there a company that consistently makes very close to symmetrical shapes? Like where the tail and nose have the same length but the steepness is slightly different or anything. I ordered two krooked Bobby Worrest decks after scowering the internet for hours and paying a bunch of shipping costs (I live in the Netherlands). But I'm kinda afraid that if I like them a lot, that when I have to get a new board there are no symmetrical options...
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Twin threads too (just in case people only see half the info):
Twin tail
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.90
Twin "hybird" decks
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115688.0
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
And for any of you guys skating the 8.3 which trucks do you have on it.
The 8.3 sits really well on 8.25 trucks, so Indy 144s for the ones I have skated - tech friend's board, but it rode well.
I ride 8.25" on the DLX TT, it's a great fit since it's a true 8.3" and usually Tensor/Theeve to pull that WB in. Switching to 149s and slim wheels tho for more slappy room.
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I dont want a twin tail, I always felt my tail was too short , Id rather see a twin nose DLX shape
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I dont want a twin tail, I always felt my tail was too short , Id rather see a twin nose DLX shape
yep, that would be ideal. I know there is twin nose decks on the market (Neen Deathwish) but they are way to pointy and flat for my liking
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I dont want a twin tail, I always felt my tail was too short , Id rather see a twin nose DLX shape
yep, that would be ideal. I know there is twin nose decks on the market (Neen Deathwish) but they are way to pointy and flat for my liking
In doing some experiments on longer wheelbase DLX decks, we drilled the back bolts in a bit, so both shortening the wheelbase and making the kicks a little bit more symmetrical, even if the nose and tail were slightly different, it was still an interesting experience.
Some people would think it ridiculous, but it worked for what the person wanted, which was almost a twin nose deck.
Whenever I think about twin boards, I get out the Real Ishod 8.3 used or the 8.5 new twin that I still have and one look at it makes me put it away again. The deck is nice enough in the tail but so short in the nose, which makes it really weird for me.
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Likewise.
Anyone know why 14” wb only goes up to an 8.25?
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Likewise.
Anyone know why 14” wb only goes up to an 8.25?
I've only ridden 14" wb for years before switching to the real 8.25 twin tail. It usually makes a huge difference but this deck seriously doesn't feel like it has a long wheelbase. I can't tell you why, maybe it's just the perfect tail length/steepness but it feels super light and responsive.
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its interesting how their WBs for these are always 14.3 and up
yea the WB ruins it for me
Same, wish it was shorter for sure, I mean, I get it, they want to keep the length what it is so they have to keep the tail dimensions the same, so the only place for it to go is in the WB...
So how big are the kicks on the 8.3 ?
And for any of you guys skating the 8.3 which trucks do you have on it.
The 8.3 sits really well on 8.25 trucks, so Indy 144s for the ones I have skated - tech friend's board, but it rode well.
Great advice with the 144's, I tried it Today, and it is perfect. Shoes and gear section comes through again.
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Ok I definitely like a like “long” nose any twin tail out there for a guy like me? (I promise I’m talking about skateboarding)
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Ok I definitely like a like “long” nose any twin tail out there for a guy like me? (I promise I’m talking about skateboarding)
Deathwish makes "twin nose" decks for neen sometimes.
But do you really want a long nose for a tail?
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that's exactly what I'm looking for actually. if anyone can point me in the right direction id appreciate it. the worrest krooked twin tail seemed like the "tails" were pretty big im leaning toward that one.
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that's exactly what I'm looking for actually. if anyone can point me in the right direction id appreciate it. the worrest krooked twin tail seemed like the "tails" were pretty big im leaning toward that one.
The Worrest is the exact same board as the Ishod Twin Tail 8.3. The tails are maybe a little bit longer than some tails on non-symetrcial boards, but they're still definitely tails so if you like a long nose, you might not like it.
They're 6.6" but that's measured horizontally, like with a ruler going straight from the tips of a tail to the other, not measured down from the tip to the actual bolt holes (that way it's closer to 6.8" or something)... Does that make sense?
The only twin nose I'm aware of is Neen's board, and it's mellower than the DLX twin tails, so the pop is probably quite different.
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The only twin nose I'm aware of is Neen's board, and it's mellower than the DLX twin tails, so the pop is probably quite different.
And they are quite difficult to get it seems.
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The only twin nose I'm aware of is Neen's board, and it's mellower than the DLX twin tails, so the pop is probably quite different.
And they are quite difficult to get it seems.
Big Zoom seems to have em pretty often.
https://www.zumiez.com/deathwish-neen-controlled-chaos-8-12-skateboard-deck.html
https://www.zumiez.com/deathwish-neen-spew-3-twin-8-12-skateboard-deck.html
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that's exactly what I'm looking for actually. if anyone can point me in the right direction id appreciate it. the worrest krooked twin tail seemed like the "tails" were pretty big im leaning toward that one.
They're 6.6" but that's measured horizontally, like with a ruler going straight from the tips of a tail to the other, not measured down from the tip to the actual bolt holes (that way it's closer to 6.8" or something)... Does that make sense?
The only twin nose I'm aware of is Neen's board, and it's mellower than the DLX twin tails, so the pop is probably quite different.
thanks yeah that makes sense. of course both the neen boards are ugly af lol
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From the Real catalog, they have the sizes and all the info for the DLX twins, but in case it is too small to see, text here too:
8.0 x 31.5, 14.3 wb and 6.55 kicks
8.25 x 31.8, 14.33 wb and 6.625 kicks
8.3 x 31.9, 14.4 wb and 6.6 kicks
8.5 x 32.2, 14.5 wb and 6.72 kicks
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2021/rs-sp21-del2-ishodtt-06.jpg)
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The only twin nose I'm aware of is Neen's board, and it's mellower than the DLX twin tails, so the pop is probably quite different.
And they are quite difficult to get it seems.
Big Zoom seems to have em pretty often.
https://www.zumiez.com/deathwish-neen-controlled-chaos-8-12-skateboard-deck.html
https://www.zumiez.com/deathwish-neen-spew-3-twin-8-12-skateboard-deck.html
Dude thank you so much. Yeah it’s not a favorite graphic but I don’t mind that at all
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It's infuriating....why would an 8" board have close to a 14.5 wheelbase?
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It's infuriating....why would an 8" board have close to a 14.5 wheelbase?
Idk if you have tried one, but for me the wb makes no difference with the TT. I am very particular about short wb's too, but that was all washed away with these.
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Just heard on Nine Club, crail is coming out with a twin tail in 8.25 and 8.5...no details on length and wb, but considering crail decks sometimes have shorter wheelbases, these could be cool. Shape is apparently called G069 and G096
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I rode an 8.3 worrest with cast 5.6 and actually liked the pop and almost everything felt pretty damn consistent. I never adjusted for nollie stuff and ended up ditching it. I’d try one again on Thunders for sure.
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I rode an 8.3 worrest with cast 5.6 and actually liked the pop and almost everything felt pretty damn consistent. I never adjusted for nollie stuff and ended up ditching it. I’d try one again on Thunders for sure.
I tried it at first with 5.6 Ventures and it didn't go well for me, it sucks because Ventures are my go to.
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I rode an 8.3 worrest with cast 5.6 and actually liked the pop and almost everything felt pretty damn consistent. I never adjusted for nollie stuff and ended up ditching it. I’d try one again on Thunders for sure.
Didn't like it on thunders, I tried ML/Indy/Tensors and they all felt great (as they pulled in the WB). ML felt the best being so low.
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skatemafia has a "symmetrical" shape
width: 8.5"
length: 32.1"
wheelbase: 14.2"
nose: 6.88"
tail: 6.84"
Unfortunately I don't know the specific name of the shape. I've ridden a couple of these boards and the longer tail has always been a good nose for my switch tricks. Their graphics are however questionable to say the least.
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skatemafia has a "symmetrical" shape
width: 8.5"
length: 32.1"
wheelbase: 14.2"
nose: 6.88"
tail: 6.84"
Unfortunately I don't know the specific name of the shape. I've ridden a couple of these boards and the longer tail has always been a good nose for my switch tricks. Their graphics are however questionable to say the least.
Nice!
Where are you and do you know what woodshop it came from?
Eg Europe it is HLC / Jart, but in US and AU it is BBS, or at least was last time I had some.
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skatemafia has a "symmetrical" shape
width: 8.5"
length: 32.1"
wheelbase: 14.2"
nose: 6.88"
tail: 6.84"
Unfortunately I don't know the specific name of the shape. I've ridden a couple of these boards and the longer tail has always been a good nose for my switch tricks. Their graphics are however questionable to say the least.
Nice!
Where are you and do you know what woodshop it came from?
Eg Europe it is HLC / Jart, but in US and AU it is BBS, or at least was last time I had some.
I live in Europe, but there was no sticker that would refer to the woodshop.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/skate/skatemafia-lawyer-house-stripes-8-5-deck
I didn't buy it there, but that was the only one I could find online
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It's infuriating....why would an 8" board have close to a 14.5 wheelbase?
The 8 inch one is truly horrible, not because of the wheelbase, but because the tails are just awfully short. It even feels too short for a tail on that shape and especially for a nose.
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skatemafia has a "symmetrical" shape
width: 8.5"
length: 32.1"
wheelbase: 14.2"
nose: 6.88"
tail: 6.84"
Unfortunately I don't know the specific name of the shape. I've ridden a couple of these boards and the longer tail has always been a good nose for my switch tricks. Their graphics are however questionable to say the least.
Nice!
Where are you and do you know what woodshop it came from?
Eg Europe it is HLC / Jart, but in US and AU it is BBS, or at least was last time I had some.
I live in Europe, but there was no sticker that would refer to the woodshop.
https://www.freedomskateshop.at/skate/skatemafia-lawyer-house-stripes-8-5-deck
I didn't buy it there, but that was the only one I could find online
Hey that's actually my local shop. Just wanna say in case you only found those measurements on their site, you shouldn't necessarily believe it. They fuck up the measurements all the time.
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I bought (mail order) a Ishod 8.25 TT that was labeled and packaged as a TT but is not even close to symmetrical. Has this ever happened to any of you twintail guys? Cool shape but what a fucking bummer
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I bought (mail order) a Ishod 8.25 TT that was labeled and packaged as a TT but is not even close to symmetrical. Has this ever happened to any of you twintail guys? Cool shape but what a fucking bummer
So it had the butterfly graphic on the rgular 8.28 shape?
That is definitely something to contact DLX about.
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I bought (mail order) a Ishod 8.25 TT that was labeled and packaged as a TT but is not even close to symmetrical. Has this ever happened to any of you twintail guys? Cool shape but what a fucking bummer
So it had the butterfly graphic on the rgular 8.28 shape?
That is definitely something to contact DLX about.
It is actually the Mason Silva shape but with the Ishod Monarch graphic!
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I bought (mail order) a Ishod 8.25 TT that was labeled and packaged as a TT but is not even close to symmetrical. Has this ever happened to any of you twintail guys? Cool shape but what a fucking bummer
So it had the butterfly graphic on the rgular 8.28 shape?
That is definitely something to contact DLX about.
That's very bizarre. Im riding that graphic on a proper twin currently
It is actually the Mason Silva shape but with the Ishod Monarch graphic!
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It's so bizarre. About 5 minutes in, I was like something is wrong. One pop shuv later I looked down and had to park my ass for investigation.. sure as shit 7" nose and a 6.5ish tail. Fucking great shape tbh but not what I was looking for.
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I bought (mail order) a Ishod 8.25 TT that was labeled and packaged as a TT but is not even close to symmetrical. Has this ever happened to any of you twintail guys? Cool shape but what a fucking bummer
Ishod talks about this sometimes happening to him during his nine club episode.
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I bought (mail order) a Ishod 8.25 TT that was labeled and packaged as a TT but is not even close to symmetrical. Has this ever happened to any of you twintail guys? Cool shape but what a fucking bummer
Ishod talks about this sometimes happening to him during his nine club episode.
You will definitely get a new one if you contact dlx
Thanks homey! I emailed them this morning, I'm thinking that it's the only problem that me and Ishod share haha
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FLIP Berger Sprite "Twintail" 8.25" x 32.25”
https://flipskateboards.com/collections/spring-2021/products/berger-sprite-twintail-8-25-x-31-50
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As the last 'twin tip' VX McCoy really wasn't (tail was a tad shorter), I'd be reluctant to trust it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJT3eBM2KZc&t=74s
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As the last 'twin tip' VX McCoy really wasn't (tail was a tad shorter), I'd be reluctant to trust it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJT3eBM2KZc&t=74s
You can't trust the Ishods either...trust me
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FLIP Berger Sprite "Twintail" 8.25" x 32.25”
https://flipskateboards.com/collections/spring-2021/products/berger-sprite-twintail-8-25-x-31-50
I don't get it. They only sell it on their website and never even mention it anywhere? Just ignoring this market they could absolutely own if they sell twin tails all the time.
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FLIP Berger Sprite "Twintail" 8.25" x 32.25”
https://flipskateboards.com/collections/spring-2021/products/berger-sprite-twintail-8-25-x-31-50
I don't get it. They only sell it on their website and never even mention it anywhere? Just ignoring this market they could absolutely own if they sell twin tails all the time.
I'm not even sure Flip is even a thing anymore...let alone Berger...don't get me wrong, he rips but I can't imagine his boardsales are doing anything, TT or not; Times are tough, you think a pro shop is going to order a Berger board? With that graphic?
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This new Jawn Gardner board has lots of interesting dimensions, including being a twin tail.
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This new Jawn Gardner board has lots of interesting dimensions, including being a twin tail.
I was hoping it was the the 8.51 pop, but it's the shaped:
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/884in-x-3142in-gardner-ghosts-creature-skateboard-deck
This is one we've all been waiting for, The John Gardner Ghosts deck. Featuring a custom 8.8x31.4 shape with a 14" wheelbase and twin Nose and Tail, designed and enjoyed by Jawn himself over the past year. We're proud to offer this custom shape to you now helping to satisfy the recent craving for fatter decks with a significantly shorter wheelbase. Johnny boy nailed the one.
LENGTH31.42 in
WIDTH8.84 in
WHEEL BASE14.0 in
NOSE LENGTH6.61 in
TAIL LENGTH6.61 in
CONCAVEMedium
PRODUCT #124452
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Anyone know of something available in the 8.25-8.38 range currently with a shorter wb than the ishod?
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Anyone know of something available in the 8.25-8.38 range currently with a shorter wb than the ishod?
If the current Maurio McCoy is a true TT then yeah, the WB 14.18
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FLIP Berger Sprite "Twintail" 8.25" x 32.25”
https://flipskateboards.com/collections/spring-2021/products/berger-sprite-twintail-8-25-x-31-50
I don't get it. They only sell it on their website and never even mention it anywhere? Just ignoring this market they could absolutely own if they sell twin tails all the time.
I would take Flip's measurements with a pinch of salt, the length measurements are flat across the board, for nose to tail. The 32.25" I got ended up being a 31.9". Strangely for their shorter boards (8") they measure nose to tail (31.6").
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Anyone know of something available in the 8.25-8.38 range currently with a shorter wb than the ishod?
What about this?
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b?goal=0_19f2eef6b9-45241fc156-378724893&mc_cid=45241fc156&mc_eid=1622879474 (https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b?goal=0_19f2eef6b9-45241fc156-378724893&mc_cid=45241fc156&mc_eid=1622879474)
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Anyone know of something available in the 8.25-8.38 range currently with a shorter wb than the ishod?
What about this?
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b?goal=0_19f2eef6b9-45241fc156-378724893&mc_cid=45241fc156&mc_eid=1622879474 (https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b?goal=0_19f2eef6b9-45241fc156-378724893&mc_cid=45241fc156&mc_eid=1622879474)
Anyone actually tried this? Looks more like a twin nose than the ishod twin tail
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Anyone know of something available in the 8.25-8.38 range currently with a shorter wb than the ishod?
What about this?
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b?goal=0_19f2eef6b9-45241fc156-378724893&mc_cid=45241fc156&mc_eid=1622879474 (https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b?goal=0_19f2eef6b9-45241fc156-378724893&mc_cid=45241fc156&mc_eid=1622879474)
yeah we have one at the shop i work at. standing on it right now it's definitely two noses. both are 7" and very steep
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Pre pandemic Alien made a twin tail on Yajes boards.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
I just wish their twin tail shapes had a shorter wheelbase. I've skated the 8.3 a few times and it's really good but fucks with some of my favorite tricks. The 8.3 cut down to 14.25 with no other changes would be a perfect setup for me.
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/pages/summer-2021?fbclid=IwAR0nXiaSBHzLzNnGt9kRHIyNNhUDG2FYU7YuJo6tiPa_pid-n9R0pNy0I4s
Neen's Twin Nose now in 8.5
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
Well, they listened somewhat, the narrower the deck the shorter the length and WB.
Sticking with their theme, I would have done
8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
That makes too much sense. Instead, let's just screen this graphic on Mason's shape and mix some in there indiscriminately.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
Haha! They did go good for it though. I skated my replacement once and absolutely hated it. The 8.38's I've skated were real nice but the 8.25 sucked eggs..fuck that thing
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
i would like the 8 and 8.25 to have a smaller wheel base like this
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
i would like the 8 and 8.25 to have a smaller wheel base like this
So would just about everyone else.....
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8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
i would like the 8 and 8.25 to have a smaller wheel base like this
So would just about everyone else.....
Not sure about that.
I recently gave a 8.25 ishod twin tail to a friend who usually only skates 14" wb and he loves it. Same experience for myself. If I didn't know it, there's no way I'd think they have such a long wheelbase. Can't feel it at all and I still don't have an explanation for it.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
8" 14.11" WB
8.25"x31.75x14.22" WB
8.3" 14.33" WB
8.5" 14.44" WB
i would like the 8 and 8.25 to have a smaller wheel base like this
So would just about everyone else.....
Not sure about that.
I recently gave a 8.25 ishod twin tail to a friend who usually only skates 14" wb and he loves it. Same experience for myself. If I didn't know it, there's no way I'd think they have such a long wheelbase. Can't feel it at all and I still don't have an explanation for it.
"So would just about everyone else....." Please note the bolded portion
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Thinking about giving this Alien Workshop Twin Tail a try. Anyone have any experience with them?
(https://i.ibb.co/7KTYm10/1564326-D-82-B6-4-EC2-8955-E0-E96-D713-DF3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7KTYm10)
(https://i.ibb.co/wNMv8QP/5-AA3-A590-C02-C-4653-AEEF-8-E5-D4-FFB44-CA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNMv8QP)
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Thinking about giving this Alien Workshop Twin Tail a try. Anyone have any experience with them?
(https://i.ibb.co/7KTYm10/1564326-D-82-B6-4-EC2-8955-E0-E96-D713-DF3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7KTYm10)
(https://i.ibb.co/wNMv8QP/5-AA3-A590-C02-C-4653-AEEF-8-E5-D4-FFB44-CA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNMv8QP)
I'd be leary of the length AWS tend to list longer lengths than they actually are (like Quasi); it's hit or miss tho
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I'm just about done with my Ishod 8.5" Twin Tail and I can safely say if I try I a twin tail again, I will size down. The board feels a lot wider with parallel rails/ no taper. I normally never go below 8.5" but for a symmetrical shape I'll go down to 8.38" next time.
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Thinking about giving this Alien Workshop Twin Tail a try. Anyone have any experience with them?
(https://i.ibb.co/7KTYm10/1564326-D-82-B6-4-EC2-8955-E0-E96-D713-DF3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7KTYm10)
(https://i.ibb.co/wNMv8QP/5-AA3-A590-C02-C-4653-AEEF-8-E5-D4-FFB44-CA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNMv8QP)
I'd be leary of the length AWS tend to list longer lengths than they actually are (like Quasi); it's hit or miss tho
I am coming off a Carpet Co that’s 8.38 x 32.15 with a 14.38 wb that I love so honestly wouldn’t mind it being a bit shorter.
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Thinking about giving this Alien Workshop Twin Tail a try. Anyone have any experience with them?
(https://i.ibb.co/7KTYm10/1564326-D-82-B6-4-EC2-8955-E0-E96-D713-DF3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7KTYm10)
(https://i.ibb.co/wNMv8QP/5-AA3-A590-C02-C-4653-AEEF-8-E5-D4-FFB44-CA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNMv8QP)
I'd be leary of the length AWS tend to list longer lengths than they actually are (like Quasi); it's hit or miss tho
I am coming off a Carpet Co that’s 8.38 x 32.15 with a 14.38 wb that I love so honestly wouldn’t mind it being a bit shorter.
I was speaking with the opposite in mind, buying expecting it to be longer than it is; sounds like you're good to go!
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Has anyone come across a twin tail / symmetrical board that's 8.125 ?
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Has anyone come across a twin tail / symmetrical board that's 8.125 ?
Deathwish Neen Williams Twin Nose Spew 3 and Controlled Chaos decks are 8.125.
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Copying this over from the Set Up thread. This is my first TT board. Curious as to how I’ll dig it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hk7HmSNJ/CF61-B723-73-E9-4-D6-C-883-A-7-DA38-BDCFAFB.jpg)
Creature Jawn Gardner TT 8.8 x 31.4 x 14wb (sizing down from a 14.75 WB x 33 L)
Ace 55 classic
OJ 55mm hardline (also sizing down from a 58mm)
Bones Swiss
Mob
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Anyone try out the new Ishod TTs? Curious about the 8.25 and fat it might feel.
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Anyone try out the new Ishod TTs? Curious about the 8.25 and fat it might feel.
I wouldn't call the Ishod TTs new since I don't think the shape changed. The 8.25 and 8.3 tails aren't what I would fat but they aren't pointy either. Ishod's 8.5 feels pretty fat all around.
Ishod's 8.25 and 8.3 are great boards if you don't mind the longer wheelbase. They've been my go to shape for about a year.
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Anyone try out the new Ishod TTs? Curious about the 8.25 and fat it might feel.
I wouldn't call the Ishod TTs new since I don't think the shape changed. The 8.25 and 8.3 tails aren't what I would fat but they aren't pointy either. Ishod's 8.5 feels pretty fat all around.
Ishod's 8.25 and 8.3 are great boards if you don't mind the longer wheelbase. They've been my go to shape for about a year.
Revising wheelbases (and presumably nose and tail length) on an entire line I would consider ’new’ versions.
I’ve ridden 3 of the old 8.3s (still have a worrest slick on hand) but never an 8.25; curious what they’re like but don’t want to blind buy.
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Anyone try out the new Ishod TTs? Curious about the 8.25 and fat it might feel.
I wouldn't call the Ishod TTs new since I don't think the shape changed. The 8.25 and 8.3 tails aren't what I would fat but they aren't pointy either. Ishod's 8.5 feels pretty fat all around.
Ishod's 8.25 and 8.3 are great boards if you don't mind the longer wheelbase. They've been my go to shape for about a year.
Revising wheelbases (and presumably nose and tail length) on an entire line I would consider ’new’ versions.
I’ve ridden 3 of the old 8.3s (still have a worrest slick on hand) but never an 8.25; curious what they’re like but don’t want to blind buy.
What do you mean? As far as I've seen the wheelbases are exactly the same as always.
14.33 for 8.25 and 14.4 for 8.3
Tails are the same length too.
Source: Real website, spring 21 drop 2.
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I just checked the Real website and the board specs look the same as last time.
@Xen if you like the Worrest 8.3, you'll like the Ishod 8.25. They're a little bit different but they both are good sizes and shapes. The majority of the difference comes from the Slickness on the 8.3.
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Is anyone riding that Heroin symmetrical egg?
I’ve got my eyes on that deck and I’m curious what trucks people prefer with that setup.
8.5 with wide wheels?
8.75 with classics ?
9.0 hot rod?
I think the deck measures 8.6 over the trucks.
Thanks in advance.
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Is anyone riding that Heroin symmetrical egg?
I’ve got my eyes on that deck and I’m curious what trucks people prefer with that setup.
8.5 with wide wheels?
8.75 with classics ?
9.0 hot rod?
I think the deck measures 8.6 over the trucks.
Thanks in advance.
Yeah I got that Heroin symmetrical egg board but I haven't got used to the size yet. I set mine up with 53mm 97duro F4 Classics and some 8.5" trucks with 1/8" spacers on each axle https://socalskateshop.com/SK8-Kings-1-8-Steel-Axle-Spacers-Set-of-4.html
(https://i.imgur.com/frDbO40_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9"
Venture 5.8 V-Titanium
Spitfire F4 Classics 53mm 97duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender Hardware 7/8"
Jessup Griptape
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Is anyone riding that Heroin symmetrical egg?
I’ve got my eyes on that deck and I’m curious what trucks people prefer with that setup.
8.5 with wide wheels?
8.75 with classics ?
9.0 hot rod?
I think the deck measures 8.6 over the trucks.
Thanks in advance.
Yeah I got that Heroin symmetrical egg board but I haven't got used to the size yet. I set mine up with 53mm 97duro F4 Classics and some 8.5" trucks with 1/8" spacers on each axle https://socalskateshop.com/SK8-Kings-1-8-Steel-Axle-Spacers-Set-of-4.html
(https://i.imgur.com/frDbO40_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9"
Venture 5.8 V-Titanium
Spitfire F4 Classics 53mm 97duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender Hardware 7/8"
Jessup Griptape
dont hold out on where you got those trucks
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Is anyone riding that Heroin symmetrical egg?
I’ve got my eyes on that deck and I’m curious what trucks people prefer with that setup.
8.5 with wide wheels?
8.75 with classics ?
9.0 hot rod?
I think the deck measures 8.6 over the trucks.
Thanks in advance.
Yeah I got that Heroin symmetrical egg board but I haven't got used to the size yet. I set mine up with 53mm 97duro F4 Classics and some 8.5" trucks with 1/8" spacers on each axle https://socalskateshop.com/SK8-Kings-1-8-Steel-Axle-Spacers-Set-of-4.html
(https://i.imgur.com/frDbO40_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9"
Venture 5.8 V-Titanium
Spitfire F4 Classics 53mm 97duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender Hardware 7/8"
Jessup Griptape
Back in October I was checking every site for them. Found them at westsideskateshop.com for $88 and had them shipped across the country. They weigh 322g which is pretty light for a 8.5" truck.
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Figured I'd post the setup that I ride most.
(https://i.imgur.com/QtPdUgy.jpeg)
Real Ishod Twintail 8.25"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5 w/ bones hard bushings
Spitfire F4 Classic 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 1" hardware
Jessup grip
This is the most well rounded setup I've ever ridden. Works well at parks or skating curbs.
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Figured I'd post the setup that I ride most.
(https://i.imgur.com/QtPdUgy.jpeg)
1" hardwares
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1" hardwares
Lol c'mon, ripping on 1" hardware is such low hanging fruit. At least make fun of my tensors or something ::) ::)
The 7/8" guys don't know it's easier to mount trucks with 1" hardware. With the Silver tool, a few extra turns won't kill me.
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At least make fun of my tensors or something
He rides Tensors w/ twin tails too, so there really isn't anything else....
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Lol c'mon, ripping on 1" hardware is such low hanging fruit. At least make fun of my tensors or something ::) ::)
The 7/8" guys don't know it's easier to mount trucks with 1" hardware. With the Silver tool, a few extra turns won't kill me.
I ride ATG Maglites, I know how good they are ;)
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At least make fun of my tensors or something
My OCD will not allow 1" hardware without the use of risers.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pRmkYWt.jpeg)
This is my back-up setup that I haven't rode enough of yet.
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25" x 31.9"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.25 w/ bones hard and 1/8" spacers
Spitfire Radial 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Krux Krome Phillips hardware
Jessup pink griptape
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(https://i.imgur.com/pRmkYWt.jpeg)
This is my back-up setup that I haven't rode enough of yet.
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25" x 31.9"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.25 w/ bones hard and 1/8" spacers
Spitfire Radial 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Krux Krome Phillips hardware
Jessup pink griptape
Pink AF
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(https://i.imgur.com/pRmkYWt.jpeg)
This is my back-up setup that I haven't rode enough of yet.
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25" x 31.9"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.25 w/ bones hard and 1/8" spacers
Spitfire Radial 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Krux Krome Phillips hardware
Jessup pink griptape
Pink AF
Figured I'd go pink for pride month. Found parts that didn't sacrifice quality but I might try tracking down some pink bushings and bearings.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pRmkYWt.jpeg)
This is my back-up setup that I haven't rode enough of yet.
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25" x 31.9"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.25 w/ bones hard and 1/8" spacers
Spitfire Radial 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Krux Krome Phillips hardware
Jessup pink griptape
Pink AF
Figured I'd go pink for pride month. Found parts that didn't sacrifice quality but I might try tracking down some pink bushings and bearings.
How's the flip TT?
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This is my back-up setup that I haven't rode enough of yet.
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25" x 31.9"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.25 w/ bones hard and 1/8" spacers
Spitfire Radial 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Krux Krome Phillips hardware
Jessup pink griptape
Pink AF
Figured I'd go pink for pride month. Found parts that didn't sacrifice quality but I might try tracking down some pink bushings and bearings.
you can use fabric dye to get pink bushings
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(https://www.companybe.com/cowtown/product_photos/rd_images/rd_bronson-l.-baker-pro-g3-bearings-pink.jpg)
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(https://www.companybe.com/cowtown/product_photos/rd_images/rd_bronson-l.-baker-pro-g3-bearings-pink.jpg)
balls out technology
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How's the flip TT?
I rode the Flip twin tail at the park yesterday and there isn't anything drastically different about it compared to the Real 8.25 TT shape. The Flip has medium-steep kicks, a mellow/medium concave, and the wood feels good. Nothing I did on it felt different than the Real decks I normally ride.
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(https://i.imgur.com/pRmkYWt.jpeg)
This is my back-up setup that I haven't rode enough of yet.
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25" x 31.9"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.25 w/ bones hard and 1/8" spacers
Spitfire Radial 54mm 99 duro
Rush Swiss bearings
Krux Krome Phillips hardware
Jessup pink griptape
Yellow bushings and wheels would look sick there.
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Lol c'mon, ripping on 1" hardware is such low hanging fruit. At least make fun of my tensors or something ::) ::)
The 7/8" guys don't know it's easier to mount trucks with 1" hardware. With the Silver tool, a few extra turns won't kill me.
I ride ATG Maglites, I know how good they are ;)
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At least make fun of my tensors or something
My OCD will not allow 1" hardware without the use of risers.
LOL 100% agreed - that extra excess thread is a no go! Why would you?
If you ain't rockin risers and not on 7/8 bolts, I honestly don't know what you're doing with your God damn life! And just wait till that extra thread gets you ;)
7/8 bolts exist for a very good reason. All about having that shit flush!
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Ended up putting away all my 1" hardware since I have plenty of 7/8" as well. I set these two boards up yesterday, Krooked on the left and Santa Cruz on the right, both twin tails.
(https://i.imgur.com/d23FyGG.jpeg)
Krooked Worrest "Archur" 8.3" x 31.9" (graphic wiped for that blank look)
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Conical Full 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Santa Cruz McCoy "Transcend VX" 8.25" x 31.8"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Classics 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
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Skating the Ishod 8.35" twin tail right now and I gotta be honest, I don't think I'm going back to normal popsicles after this, I love twin tail. My only complaint is the graphic is not symmetrical and I have to make a concerted effort not to look at the bottom of my board or I'll accidentally see which end is the 'nose'.
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Skating the Ishod 8.35" twin tail right now and I gotta be honest, I don't think I'm going back to normal popsicles after this, I love twin tail. My only complaint is the graphic is not symmetrical and I have to make a concerted effort not to look at the bottom of my board or I'll accidentally see which end is the 'nose'.
That's sick that you love the twin tail. The old graphic called Monarch has a symmetrical graphic but the new graphic isn't. You could always remove the graphic like I did in the picture above. All it takes is some nail polish remover, some paper towels, and a jar of elbow grease.
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Skating the Ishod 8.35" twin tail right now and I gotta be honest, I don't think I'm going back to normal popsicles after this, I love twin tail. My only complaint is the graphic is not symmetrical and I have to make a concerted effort not to look at the bottom of my board or I'll accidentally see which end is the 'nose'.
That's sick that you love the twin tail. The old graphic called Monarch has a symmetrical graphic but the new graphic isn't. You could always remove the graphic like I did in the picture above. All it takes is some nail polish remover, some paper towels, and a jar of elbow grease.
May end up going that route, wouldn't have known you did that if you didn't say something because it just looks like a standard blank. Really hoping some more companies start making these just to have more options.
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I’d measure that SC McCoy, the supposed TT one I had, wasn’t.
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I’d measure that SC McCoy, the supposed TT one I had, wasn’t.
I just measured, both tails are 6.9" and is about 8.2" x 31.875" long. So mine feels and looks symmetrical.
The deck feels firm, probably because the VX. It has a mellow concave and feels a little flat but has a steep kick. I'll skate it today and see how it goes.
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Ended up putting away all my 1" hardware since I have plenty of 7/8" as well. I set these two boards up yesterday, Krooked on the left and Santa Cruz on the right, both twin tails.
(https://i.imgur.com/d23FyGG.jpeg)
Krooked Worrest "Archur" 8.3" x 31.9" (graphic wiped for that blank look)
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Conical Full 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Santa Cruz McCoy "Transcend VX" 8.25" x 31.8"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Classics 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Loosen those axle nuts. Give your F4s a chance to breath man..
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Loosen those axle nuts. Give your F4s a chance to breath man..
Or keep the axle washers on there.
I still see people leaving washers behind after setting up boards in the shop, which makes me wince and think of axle rethreaders and shin guards, but if that is how they want to do it, I cannot make them do otherwise.
Axle washers have a very important purpose, even if some people disagree or don't know what they are for.
Before every session I tighten the wheels down and then do about quarter or half of a rotation back so I can barely move the wheel back and forth. This is how I've done it for 24 years anyway, maybe I've been doing it wrong.
Rush swiss bearings are actually made wider than normal bearings so axle washers aren't needed. I haven't had a problem with my bearings, wheels, or axles, so I don't know what you're both on about.
Completely unrelated, but I heard Jamie Foy on the nine club talking about how he rides a symmetrical board now because of Neen Williams. I know Chocolate is coming out with a twin board because of Chris Roberts too. So maybe we'll have some more boards to choose from.
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Copying this over from the Set Up thread. This is my first TT board. Curious as to how I’ll dig it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hk7HmSNJ/CF61-B723-73-E9-4-D6-C-883-A-7-DA38-BDCFAFB.jpg)
Creature Jawn Gardner TT 8.8 x 31.4 x 14wb (sizing down from a 14.75 WB x 33 L)
Ace 55 classic
OJ 55mm hardline (also sizing down from a 58mm)
Bones Swiss
Mob
I've seen this deck so much and love the specs. I tracked one down. Seems like it's going to be awesome. I've wanted a Creature for a while. I'm not too crazy about skating dark colored graphic was thinking about painting over it but then I noticed the Ghost are throwing up hand signs spelling out Creature. That's FK'in rad! Maybe I'll give it a light mist of white spraypaint.
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Ended up putting away all my 1" hardware since I have plenty of 7/8" as well. I set these two boards up yesterday, Krooked on the left and Santa Cruz on the right, both twin tails.
(https://i.imgur.com/d23FyGG.jpeg)
Krooked Worrest "Archur" 8.3" x 31.9" (graphic wiped for that blank look)
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Conical Full 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Santa Cruz McCoy "Transcend VX" 8.25" x 31.8"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Classics 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Loosen those axle nuts. Give your F4s a chance to breath man..
For real, throw in some speedrings, push those wheels out a bit and save those axels...maybe he likes extra threads showing on all his hardwardware?
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Ended up putting away all my 1" hardware since I have plenty of 7/8" as well. I set these two boards up yesterday, Krooked on the left and Santa Cruz on the right, both twin tails.
(https://i.imgur.com/d23FyGG.jpeg)
Krooked Worrest "Archur" 8.3" x 31.9" (graphic wiped for that blank look)
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Conical Full 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Santa Cruz McCoy "Transcend VX" 8.25" x 31.8"
Tensor Maglight ATG 5.5
Spitfire Formula 4 Classics 54mm 97 duro
Rush Swiss Bearings
Enjoi Gender Bender 7/8" hardware
Jessup grip
Loosen those axle nuts. Give your F4s a chance to breath man..
For real, throw in some speedrings, push those wheels out a bit and save those axels...maybe he likes extra threads showing on all his hardwardware?
Maybe I run extra wide bearings so I don't speedrings? Are people on here unaware that race bearings are made wider? My axle nuts/wheels are already loosened from the pictures that I took, I'm not really down to loosen them any further.
I already bought an axle rethreader and haven't had to use it on the 6 pairs of Tensors I have, haven't gone through any bearings either.
Keep your madness to yourself, the gatekeeping in this thread is really lame.
I have about half a dozen other twin tails to post/review here but the thread is completely derailed now since we're talking about my hardware instead. Should I even bother to post in this thread any more or should I fuck off to the setup thread?
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Just wanna say that you're my hero and I love you
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Gnar and kudos for you kind sir.
Btw, anybody else's eye twitches when the graphic on a TT is not "both side friendly" sort of speak?
Like those Ishod panthers, lovely and beautiful. But those with the cars bother me so much, it would be great if the car where normal/upsidedown/normal... You get the idea.
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I just bought five 8.25 Ishod twin tails and every single one either has the roman numeral II or IV. I think I once had a III deck, all the other ones were II or IV. Do you think the other numerals go to the real team?
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I just bought five 8.25 Ishod twin tails and every single one either has the roman numeral II or IV. I think I once had a III deck, all the other ones were II or IV. Do you think the other numerals go to the real team?
From getting hundreds of DLX boards (for the shop) I have seen them all but some tend to appear more on some sizes / shapes than others, or even some runs than others.
I to IV being steepest to mellowest, so at least you have some of each, even though it is not much, I still much prefer the IV as they just work better for me, but I know others who are always after I or II.
A while back I ordered half a dozen of the twin 8.3 for someone and all were I apart from one IV which I swapped back for another I as that is what the guy wanted. An 8.5 twin I still have is a IV - so spoony round and flat.
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I just bought five 8.25 Ishod twin tails and every single one either has the roman numeral II or IV. I think I once had a III deck, all the other ones were II or IV. Do you think the other numerals go to the real team?
From getting hundreds of DLX boards (for the shop) I have seen them all but some tend to appear more on some sizes / shapes than others, or even some runs than others.
I to IV being steepest to mellowest, so at least you have some of each, even though it is not much, I still much prefer the IV as they just work better for me, but I know others who are always after I or II.
I always thought it goes up to V, are there really only 4 decks pressed?
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I just bought five 8.25 Ishod twin tails and every single one either has the roman numeral II or IV. I think I once had a III deck, all the other ones were II or IV. Do you think the other numerals go to the real team?
From getting hundreds of DLX boards (for the shop) I have seen them all but some tend to appear more on some sizes / shapes than others, or even some runs than others.
I to IV being steepest to mellowest, so at least you have some of each, even though it is not much, I still much prefer the IV as they just work better for me, but I know others who are always after I or II.
I always thought it goes up to V, are there really only 4 decks pressed?
Yep, four to a press. There might have been more at some point, but everything that they have put out, pics, video etc all look like four in all the BBS presses.
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(https://i.imgur.com/vbeAO6Gl.jpg)
Real 8.25 x 32.25 x 14.38
Generic griptape which is working pretty decently
Indy 7/8 Phillips
Ti149
Swiss 6
F4 CF 99 53mm
I'm totally in love with this setup, only thing that sucks is that here in Chile is almost impossible to find TT. I'm moving back to Prague in a couple months and I haven't seen there any so my heart is suffering.
This is a total game changer.
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Been sitting on an Ishod twin tail for about a week now because my current deck still has plenty of juice left, but after skimming this thread I might have to make the swap early (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/noah.png)
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I wish there was an 8.0 twin tail with 14 inch wb.
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I wish there was an 8.0 twin tail with 14 inch wb.
Same here. Or if deluxe made the 8.125x31.3x14 in a twin tail. I would never ride anything else.
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
I'm skating the neen 8.125 chaos right now - I like the shape but the natural/non-stain bottom ply is really bumming me out more than I thought it ever could
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I wish there was an 8.0 twin tail with 14 inch wb.
Same here. Or if deluxe made the 8.125x31.3x14 in a twin tail. I would never ride anything else.
This sounds perfect. Took a long look at the ishod 8.25 before buying a board with your listed dimensions instead (non twin). The board I got works great. But here I am, thinking about a twin tail.
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I wish there was an 8.0 twin tail with 14 inch wb.
Same here. Or if deluxe made the 8.125x31.3x14 in a twin tail. I would never ride anything else.
This sounds perfect. Took a long look at the ishod 8.25 before buying a board with your listed dimensions instead (non twin). The board I got works great. But here I am, thinking about a twin tail.
I just love switch front shuvs and to be able to do one and then just keep going and not mess up on the Fakie shuv to get the board back in place would be awesome.
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Skating the Ishod 8.35" twin tail right now and I gotta be honest, I don't think I'm going back to normal popsicles after this, I love twin tail. My only complaint is the graphic is not symmetrical and I have to make a concerted effort not to look at the bottom of my board or I'll accidentally see which end is the 'nose'.
That's sick that you love the twin tail. The old graphic called Monarch has a symmetrical graphic but the new graphic isn't. You could always remove the graphic like I did in the picture above. All it takes is some nail polish remover, some paper towels, and a jar of elbow grease.
i feel like all of ishods were symmetrical before the customs one: peaches, cranes, panthers, monarchs, day/night, linked, etc., although some of those not perfectly. None of the DLX TTs available right now are symmetrical but i might get one anyway and go your route as well… Ishod’s Customs or Bobby’s Would You. Lmk if anyone sees the latter in stock anywhere.
both those options are slicks tho—y’all know if nail polish remover would act weird with that?
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Frankie Spears has a new symmetrical board out https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-camotile-8-375?_pos=1&_sid=1fe76c0fd&_ss=r
I'm sticking to DLX TTs for as long as I can find them from now but it's nice to see these types of boards are catching on.
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Frankie Spears has a new symmetrical board out https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-camotile-8-375?_pos=1&_sid=1fe76c0fd&_ss=r
I'm sticking to DLX TTs for as long as I can find them from now but it's nice to see these types of boards are catching on.
Why are board companies never even mentioning that it's symmetrical.
Sucks for them and for everybody who wants them
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Frankie Spears has a new symmetrical board out https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-camotile-8-375?_pos=1&_sid=1fe76c0fd&_ss=r
I'm sticking to DLX TTs for as long as I can find them from now but it's nice to see these types of boards are catching on.
Why are board companies never even mentioning that it's symmetrical.
Sucks for them and for everybody who wants them
AWS's website usually says so in the deck name (e.g. "owlien twin") and in the description (i.e. "Proprietary symmetrical shape"). seems to me this isnt a symmetrical board.
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Frankie Spears has a new symmetrical board out https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-camotile-8-375?_pos=1&_sid=1fe76c0fd&_ss=r
I'm sticking to DLX TTs for as long as I can find them from now but it's nice to see these types of boards are catching on.
Why are board companies never even mentioning that it's symmetrical.
Sucks for them and for everybody who wants them
AWS's website usually says so in the deck name (e.g. "owlien twin") and in the description (i.e. "Proprietary symmetrical shape"). seems to me this isnt a symmetrical board.
Yeah, my bad I jumped the gun in posting that. I saw Mark Suciu post a story of him doing shuvs on it with the text "doing a symmetrical test" and then saw he later posted that it's not Twin tail or nose in a later post.
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Frankie Spears has a new symmetrical board out https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-camotile-8-375?_pos=1&_sid=1fe76c0fd&_ss=r
I'm sticking to DLX TTs for as long as I can find them from now but it's nice to see these types of boards are catching on.
Why are board companies never even mentioning that it's symmetrical.
Sucks for them and for everybody who wants them
AWS's website usually says so in the deck name (e.g. "owlien twin") and in the description (i.e. "Proprietary symmetrical shape"). seems to me this isnt a symmetrical board.
No you were right. Mark meant it's neither tail nor nose, but something in between on both sides, like the ishod decks.
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At 6.625 inches per kick, the Ishod is for sure a twin tail.
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At 6.625 inches per kick, the Ishod is for sure a twin tail.
Yeah that's actually true. Somehow every time I compare my board to others the tail seems way bigger
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Frankie Spears has a new symmetrical board out https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-camotile-8-375?_pos=1&_sid=1fe76c0fd&_ss=r
I'm sticking to DLX TTs for as long as I can find them from now but it's nice to see these types of boards are catching on.
Why are board companies never even mentioning that it's symmetrical.
Sucks for them and for everybody who wants them
AWS's website usually says so in the deck name (e.g. "owlien twin") and in the description (i.e. "Proprietary symmetrical shape"). seems to me this isnt a symmetrical board.
No you were right. Mark meant it's neither tail nor nose, but something in between on both sides, like the ishod decks.
Hmm, good to know.
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At 6.625 inches per kick, the Ishod is for sure a twin tail.
Yeah that's actually true. Somehow every time I compare my board to others the tail seems way bigger
Same
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
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I rode thunders and thought it was ok....lower truck...quicker pop to make up for the shorter nose. I just don't like how big the wheelbase is in proportion to the size of the nose.....the thunders didn't help with this aspect....
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How tall is Ishod? I understand him wanting a 14.4 wheel base and also Bobby riding that too makes sense he’s pretty tall. But Brad Cromer rides the 8.06 and it has a 14.38 wb and he’s definitely not the same height as Bobby or Ishod.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
I’ve skated multiple twin tails with both Thunders and Ventures. Both trucks work great with them I just personally prefer Thunders
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How tall is Ishod? I understand him wanting a 14.4 wheel base and also Bobby riding that too makes sense he’s pretty tall. But Brad Cromer rides the 8.06 and it has a 14.38 wb and he’s definitely not the same height as Bobby or Ishod.
Google says ishod is 6 feet.
I'm 5foot7 and I might only be able to handle the setup because I have the thunder titaniums and about 51mm wheels.
I tried thunder hollow lights with 53mm wheels for a week and it was impossible, felt extremely heavy.
Really thinking about buying some short wheelbase trucks now, since I'm not gonna ride other decks anytime soon.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
I'm skating the 8.25, the panther one, on Ti149 and it feels awesome .
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How tall is Ishod? I understand him wanting a 14.4 wheel base and also Bobby riding that too makes sense he’s pretty tall. But Brad Cromer rides the 8.06 and it has a 14.38 wb and he’s definitely not the same height as Bobby or Ishod.
They don't ride the shapes. They just whack to their names on whatever shape is available
How often do you see pro ride their actual deck? Never
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I'm not buying the height....shoe size etc to dictate what you skate....if it was that simple we wouldn't have pages on this stuff.....it's preference.....
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How tall is Ishod? I understand him wanting a 14.4 wheel base and also Bobby riding that too makes sense he’s pretty tall. But Brad Cromer rides the 8.06 and it has a 14.38 wb and he’s definitely not the same height as Bobby or Ishod.
I had three decks with this wheelbase. And they all measured more like 14.28 for some reason. I was really sceptical about my first deck with that "long" wheelbase and rode it, measured it some day and was suprised. ^^
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
So I've been riding ace af1 44s on the 8.25 ishod deck for a few sessions now and I gotta tell you it feels amazing. Not too big of a difference coming from thunder titanium 148, but still a slightly lighter pop feel, easier manuals and of course the turning is a lot of fun too.
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How tall is Ishod? I understand him wanting a 14.4 wheel base and also Bobby riding that too makes sense he’s pretty tall. But Brad Cromer rides the 8.06 and it has a 14.38 wb and he’s definitely not the same height as Bobby or Ishod.
They don't ride the shapes. They just whack to their names on whatever shape is available
How often do you see pro ride their actual deck? Never
Bobby rides his own shape exclusively, Cromer rides his own decks, and Ishod often has stuff custom screened, but also rides his own shape.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
So I've been riding ace af1 44s on the 8.25 ishod deck for a few sessions now and I gotta tell you it feels amazing. Not too big of a difference coming from thunder titanium 148, but still a slightly lighter pop feel, easier manuals and of course the turning is a lot of fun too.
I ride the Worrest 8.3 with Indy forged hollows and 52mm wheels and it feels excellent.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
Ace Classic 44 w/ Mag Plates and Kreper Pins
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How tall is Ishod? I understand him wanting a 14.4 wheel base and also Bobby riding that too makes sense he’s pretty tall. But Brad Cromer rides the 8.06 and it has a 14.38 wb and he’s definitely not the same height as Bobby or Ishod.
They don't ride the shapes. They just whack to their names on whatever shape is available
How often do you see pro ride their actual deck? Never
Bobby rides his own shape exclusively, Cromer rides his own decks, and Ishod often has stuff custom screened, but also rides his own shape.
Ishod was also riding a lot of bobby decks about 2 years ago. think he might skate whatever TT slick deluxe is making at the time.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
I'm riding Tensor Maglight mids 5.5 (8.25" axle) with 54mm F4 Conical Full 97du with my Krooked Worrest 8.3" TT slick right now and it's a perfect setup for the slippery smooth skatepark I've been going to. The super lightweight trucks make up for the slightly increased weight of the slick deck as well.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
I'm riding Tensor Maglight mids 5.5 (8.25" axle) with 54mm F4 Conical Full 97du with my Krooked Worrest 8.3" TT slick right now and it's a perfect setup for the slippery smooth skatepark I've been going to. The super lightweight trucks make up for the slightly increased weight of the slick deck as well.
Damn close to my TT slick setup (down to my last Worrest slick)! Great combo with the mags, slip slide and grind on anything. I was using spit lockins but ended up not liking them and swapping them; didn't feel they were any better for me than a conical or side cut shape which have more utility.
Swapped out the 5.5s for 5.8s so I could get better lock-in on feeble to smiths (double sided curb), using Bones V3s for more room (not shown in pic).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rsKoN91NJ4j7jAcccfW7sfaIe3mFevL9DfEDYXMr_rBpDHLSUFroalJK7ieZnKNtpHlY0TxAqvpBi0YGZ9WC5gGUOitOzjKmiy-mdd10amet_srLg95Up6N1YhtGpWogt-8IyN2Dc7o=w2400)
Been wanting to get a 8.25 TT slick but I am not sure they make one? Plenty of 8.3s out there tho.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
I'm riding Tensor Maglight mids 5.5 (8.25" axle) with 54mm F4 Conical Full 97du with my Krooked Worrest 8.3" TT slick right now and it's a perfect setup for the slippery smooth skatepark I've been going to. The super lightweight trucks make up for the slightly increased weight of the slick deck as well.
Damn close to my TT slick setup (down to my last Worrest slick)! Great combo with the mags, slip slide and grind on anything. I was using spit lockins but ended up not liking them and swapping them; didn't feel they were any better for me than a conical or side cut shape which have more utility.
Swapped out the 5.5s for 5.8s so I could get better lock-in on feeble to smiths (double sided curb), using Bones V3s for more room (not shown in pic).
Been wanting to get a 8.25 TT slick but I am not sure they make one? Plenty of 8.3s out there tho.
Nice, I had that same Krooked Worrest Destroyer deck until I gave it to my buddy (which got him hooked on twin tail slicks, that's all he skates now). I was riding 5.75 maglights on my 8.3" slick with 51mm at first and it worked well, but after all my testing this is what I found:
8.3" deck + 5.5/8.25" trucks + 51mm wheels = Super lightweight, responsive and flippy but not stable enough.
8.3" deck + 5.5/8.25" trucks + 54mm wheels = Great control, very stable, perfect all around board.
8.3" deck + 5.75/8.5" trucks + 51mm wheels = Lightweight, responsive, stable but slower speed and pebble problems.
8.3" deck + 5.75/8.5" trucks + 54mm wheels = Extremely stable but feels heavy and harder to flip.
Good luck with your 5.8 trucks, I hope they work out. I'm sure if I had access to a double sided curb and more power I'd probably move back up to 5.75/8.5" trucks with maybe some 53mm Classics (damn now I want to try that combo).
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I realized I'm using my twin tail wrong - I have this old habit of having my front truck looser than my back. Which negates the reason I invested in a twin tail. So I adjusted my trucks to have the same looseness and man, I felt like a new born giraffe wobbling around.
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Which trucks are you guys riding on the ishod twins?
I'm short, riding thunder 148 and it really does not make any sense, but somehow works.
Never really tried different trucks but maybe I actually should.
Indy mids (or ace?) would probably make the most sense but it seems like nobody liked the mids.
I'm riding Tensor Maglight mids 5.5 (8.25" axle) with 54mm F4 Conical Full 97du with my Krooked Worrest 8.3" TT slick right now and it's a perfect setup for the slippery smooth skatepark I've been going to. The super lightweight trucks make up for the slightly increased weight of the slick deck as well.
Damn close to my TT slick setup (down to my last Worrest slick)! Great combo with the mags, slip slide and grind on anything. I was using spit lockins but ended up not liking them and swapping them; didn't feel they were any better for me than a conical or side cut shape which have more utility.
Swapped out the 5.5s for 5.8s so I could get better lock-in on feeble to smiths (double sided curb), using Bones V3s for more room (not shown in pic).
Been wanting to get a 8.25 TT slick but I am not sure they make one? Plenty of 8.3s out there tho.
Nice, I had that same Krooked Worrest Destroyer deck until I gave it to my buddy (which got him hooked on twin tail slicks, that's all he skates now). I was riding 5.75 maglights on my 8.3" slick with 51mm at first and it worked well, but after all my testing this is what I found:
8.3" deck + 5.5/8.25" trucks + 51mm wheels = Super lightweight, responsive and flippy but not stable enough.
8.3" deck + 5.5/8.25" trucks + 54mm wheels = Great control, very stable, perfect all around board.
8.3" deck + 5.75/8.5" trucks + 51mm wheels = Lightweight, responsive, stable but slower speed and pebble problems.
8.3" deck + 5.75/8.5" trucks + 54mm wheels = Extremely stable but feels heavy and harder to flip.
Good luck with your 5.8 trucks, I hope they work out. I'm sure if I had access to a double sided curb and more power I'd probably move back up to 5.75/8.5" trucks with maybe some 53mm Classics (damn now I want to try that combo).
Only reason I moved up to the 8.5" truck (with slim wheels) from the 8.25"s (with classics) was for the (a specific) double sided curb, it really helps (I also skate 159 Indys on the same curbs with 97a conicals) the lock-in with a wider truck is awesome, you can just 'sit' on it versus have to balance on it (riding 147s and V5s right now and it's no where close to the same feeling) and it obviously helps for 50-50s/sitting on top of the curb.
I was using 51/52mm classics with the 8.5s for a day and for double sided, I prefer a sidecut wheel to lock-in, with classics being so round, I'd roll out/over the curb more often that not.
8.3"/8.25"/52mm classics worked the best for me for all around skating.
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Dunno if these guys will ever release another skateboard but they’re offering a TT in a wide variety of sizes (min 14” wb).
https://litheskateboards.com/shop/decks
Click board dimensions at the top for a chart.
Trigger warning - graphics are beyond minging.
Edit: Actually the “NEX” model is shipping and available as twin
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You forgot to mention the price.....
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Dunno if these guys will ever release another skateboard but they’re offering a TT in a wide variety of sizes (min 14” wb).
https://litheskateboards.com/shop/decks
Click board dimensions at the top for a chart.
Trigger warning - graphics are beyond minging.
Edit: Actually the “NEX” model is shipping and available as twin
7 inch tails goddamn. But yeah everything about this looks terrible
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
Really? How can u not like this graphic? - BMW E30 baby! Top 5 European classic car from the early 90's.
This is hands down one of the best skateboards out there. All about the twin tail - Real got this one down. Once you've skated one of these everything else feels wrong...
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
Really? How can u not like this graphic? - BMW E30 baby! Top 5 European classic car from the early 90's.
This is hands down one of the best skateboards out there. All about the twin tail - Real got this one down. Once you've skated one of these everything else feels wrong...
Would you like the graphic if it was some other random car? That's how it looks to people that don't care about cars. Pretty bad.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
Really? How can u not like this graphic? - BMW E30 baby! Top 5 European classic car from the early 90's.
This is hands down one of the best skateboards out there. All about the twin tail - Real got this one down. Once you've skated one of these everything else feels wrong...
Would you like the graphic if it was some other random car? That's how it looks to people that don't care about cars. Pretty bad.
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(https://i.ibb.co/7Nsd2bq/rs-sp21-drop2-04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Nsd2bq)
Not a fan of the graphic but probably still gonna buy it for the shape
Really? How can u not like this graphic? - BMW E30 baby! Top 5 European classic car from the early 90's.
This is hands down one of the best skateboards out there. All about the twin tail - Real got this one down. Once you've skated one of these everything else feels wrong...
Would you like the graphic if it was some other random car? That's how it looks to people that don't care about cars. Pretty bad.
Wouldn't care tbh. The graphic really doesn't matter as you can't see it after a couple of sessions anyway. As long as the shape & concave is good - that's all that matters surely?
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
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I haven't really messed with twin shapes much but I was curious if it's normal for the nose to be slightly longer than the tail or does that disqualify it from being a true twin? I got one of those Dead Dave double shovels and the nose is a quarter inch longer than the tail. Pretty dope shape, one way or the other.
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I haven't really messed with twin shapes much but I was curious if it's normal for the nose to be slightly longer than the tail or does that disqualify it from being a true twin? I got one of those Dead Dave double shovels and the nose is a quarter inch longer than the tail. Pretty dope shape, one way or the other.
Typically they have to be completely symmetrical.
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I haven't really messed with twin shapes much but I was curious if it's normal for the nose to be slightly longer than the tail or does that disqualify it from being a true twin? I got one of those Dead Dave double shovels and the nose is a quarter inch longer than the tail. Pretty dope shape, one way or the other.
That’s been the issue with the SC VX McCoy decks, labeled as symmetrical but have differing kick length (though the degree of kick is supposedly identical; for the record it doesn’t feel any different skating them either way).
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
@Bigwheelbite
It's by far the most normal feeling twin board I've ridden. I've only put two sessions on it (coming off my DLX 8.3 TT slick) but I love it so far; it's great to have a normal/shorter wheelbase.
Board measures true: 8.25"x31.5x14.25 WB, kicks are both 6.75" 6.5/8" | Medium concave/steep but perhaps just a slight bit on the deeper/steeper side.
It's truly a twin kick/hybrid, neither twin tail nor twin nose but something right in between (even if the kicks are closer to normal tail lengths than noses). It's a 'fuller' shape at the base of the kicks through the middle/top with a super slight taper towards the tip.
For whatever reason it sort feels like a REAL Full SE (using the tails but longer) or hte Mystery Symmetry decks from 10 yrs ago.
I'm tempted to grab another one to put on ice.
EDIT: measure properly (flat tape measure) and the kick length is 6.5/8"
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
@Bigwheelbite
It's by far the most normal feeling twin board I've ridden. I've only put two sessions on it (coming off my DLX 8.3 TT slick) but I love it so far; it's great to have a normal/shorter wheelbase.
Board measures true: 8.25"x31.5x14.25 WB, kicks are both 6.75" | Medium concave/steep but perhaps just a slight bit on the deeper/steeper side.
It's truly a twin kick/hybrid, neither twin tail nor twin nose but something right in between (even if the kicks are closer to normal tail lengths than noses). It's a 'fuller' shape at the base of the kicks through the middle/top with a super slight taper towards the tip.
For whatever reason it sort feels like a REAL Full SE (using the tails but longer).
I'm tempted to grab another one to put on ice.
CRob and Paul Schmitt were calling them Twin Paddles a few weeks ago on the Nine Club. I dunno if I feel good about it but that's the term they were using for twins that had neither tails or noses exactly but something in between.
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
@Bigwheelbite
It's by far the most normal feeling twin board I've ridden. I've only put two sessions on it (coming off my DLX 8.3 TT slick) but I love it so far; it's great to have a normal/shorter wheelbase.
Board measures true: 8.25"x31.5x14.25 WB, kicks are both 6.75" | Medium concave/steep but perhaps just a slight bit on the deeper/steeper side.
It's truly a twin kick/hybrid, neither twin tail nor twin nose but something right in between (even if the kicks are closer to normal tail lengths than noses). It's a 'fuller' shape at the base of the kicks through the middle/top with a super slight taper towards the tip.
For whatever reason it sort feels like a REAL Full SE (using the tails but longer).
I'm tempted to grab another one to put on ice.
@jakeumms Yea, I caught that, twin 'paddle' boards is fucking stupid (I thought it was Crob trying to be 'funny' and stir up trouble as usual,like his weak thunder but indy schtik). I say we go back to the Vision OG days and just call them double/twin kicks (and let them be different shapes). Deathwish has it right with this one: 'Twin Deck' even if they also state 'symmetrical nose and tail' it's a twin and symmetrical there is no [spoon] nose or tail.
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Dunno if these guys will ever release another skateboard but they’re offering a TT in a wide variety of sizes (min 14” wb).
https://litheskateboards.com/shop/decks
Click board dimensions at the top for a chart.
Trigger warning - graphics are beyond minging.
Edit: Actually the “NEX” model is shipping and available as twin
Damn that's rough looking shit. Why are the prices so ridiculous?
I'm cool with the ishod car decks. I don't like the branding on some of the graphics but it beats skating most of the recent Krooked Gonz-squiggle graphics (the Kiss looking dude flipping the bird, the blue deck with Jesus fish all over it, Barbra Streisand etc). I love Gonz but the Archer one's the only one I've dug in a couple years now (strictly talking TTs).
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Someone on page 1 mentioned flip… there are a few decks where the nose and tail dims are just 0.04 inches apart, but I assume the steepness or shape isn’t the same.
E.g. https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/flip-penny-kaja-8-38-deck/
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
@Bigwheelbite
It's by far the most normal feeling twin board I've ridden. I've only put two sessions on it (coming off my DLX 8.3 TT slick) but I love it so far; it's great to have a normal/shorter wheelbase.
Board measures true: 8.25"x31.5x14.25 WB, kicks are both 6.75" | Medium concave/steep but perhaps just a slight bit on the deeper/steeper side.
It's truly a twin kick/hybrid, neither twin tail nor twin nose but something right in between (even if the kicks are closer to normal tail lengths than noses). It's a 'fuller' shape at the base of the kicks through the middle/top with a super slight taper towards the tip.
For whatever reason it sort feels like a REAL Full SE (using the tails but longer).
I'm tempted to grab another one to put on ice.
@jakeumms Yea, I caught that, twin 'paddle' boards is fucking stupid (I thought it was Crob trying to be 'funny' and stir up trouble as usual,like his weak thunder but indy schtik). I say we go back to the Vision OG days and just call them double/twin kicks (and let them be different shapes). Deathwish has it right with this one: 'Twin Deck' even if they also state 'symmetrical nose and tail' it's a twin and symmetrical there is no [spoon] nose or tail.
yes. twin kick.
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The new Neen Twin really reminds me of the old Mystery symmetrical boards but with a slightly smaller kick length.
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/1_56386.jpg)
(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Mystery-Carlin-Symetry-8.25%22--Skateboard-Deck-_195646-0007-back.jpg)
If you are thinking about it, grab one, they are selling out really fast. Tactics had multiples of each colorway a few days ago, now they have only have a handful, same for TGM. Skate Warehouse still has them (nabbed one from them last night). Check your local tho!
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Neen_Astrovore_TWIN_Deck/descpage-DWNASTR82DK.html
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
@Bigwheelbite
It's by far the most normal feeling twin board I've ridden. I've only put two sessions on it (coming off my DLX 8.3 TT slick) but I love it so far; it's great to have a normal/shorter wheelbase.
Board measures true: 8.25"x31.5x14.25 WB, kicks are both 6.75" | Medium concave/steep but perhaps just a slight bit on the deeper/steeper side.
It's truly a twin kick/hybrid, neither twin tail nor twin nose but something right in between (even if the kicks are closer to normal tail lengths than noses). It's a 'fuller' shape at the base of the kicks through the middle/top with a super slight taper towards the tip.
For whatever reason it sort feels like a REAL Full SE (using the tails but longer) or hte Mystery Symmetry decks from 10 yrs ago.
I'm tempted to grab another one to put on ice.
Thanks for sharing man. Neen actually says on his most recent Nine Club stop and chat that his deck is a 'twin nose' where as the Ishod TT is more of a 'twin tail'. Have you tried the Ishod TT by any chance? Just wondered what you thought if so.
Have to say, the polymer finish on the Real Slick Ishod TT is buttery AF.
Cheers
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https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-astrovore-twin-deck-8-25
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/neen-astrovore-825-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/army
Just picked one up (Army stain), dims look good (even tho none of the sites (31.5") match up to the official DW listing (31.75")
8.25x31.75x14.25 - can't find any info on kicks length the images around the web look more nose than tail (which is what the 8.125 board was) but if it truly is 31.5"Lx14.25" wheelbase that doesn't leave much for traditional 6.8/7" kicks.
Going to marry it with some 148 Thunder Team hollows (black plates/raw hanger) and 51mm spitfire tablets.
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=DWNASTR82DK-2.jpg&nw=870)(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/606585/files/35708897/deathwish-deathwish-neen-astrovore-twin-825-deck.jpg)
How is it?
@Bigwheelbite
It's by far the most normal feeling twin board I've ridden. I've only put two sessions on it (coming off my DLX 8.3 TT slick) but I love it so far; it's great to have a normal/shorter wheelbase.
Board measures true: 8.25"x31.5x14.25 WB, kicks are both 6.75" (top measurement) | Medium concave/steep but perhaps just a slight bit on the deeper/steeper side.
It's truly a twin kick/hybrid, neither twin tail nor twin nose but something right in between (even if the kicks are closer to normal tail lengths than noses). It's a 'fuller' shape at the base of the kicks through the middle/top with a super slight taper towards the tip.
For whatever reason it sort feels like a REAL Full SE (using the tails but longer) or hte Mystery Symmetry decks from 10 yrs ago.
I'm tempted to grab another one to put on ice.
Thanks for sharing man. Neen actually says on his most recent Nine Club stop and chat that his deck is a 'twin nose' where as the Ishod TT is more of a 'twin tail'. Have you tried the Ishod TT by any chance? Just wondered what you thought if so.
Have to say, the polymer finish on the Real Slick Ishod TT is buttery AF.
Cheers
Incoming madness/nerdery:
I've ridden three 8.3" [of the older] DLX TT & currently have an 8.3 Worrest TT slick. I prefer short wheelbases on 8.25s so never tried a dlx tt 8.25". Love the 8.3 shape and it works as intended - but the slick is heavier than I'd like (it's a slappy board with 8.5" tensor maglights so I wasn't worried about weight); my main gripe has always been the length of the wheelbase offerings.
In that Stop and Chat he was referencing the previous 8.125" twin(?), which was indeed a twin nose; I've not ridden or stood on one to compare to the new 8.25.
The 8.25" from the recent 07/26/21 drop isn't called a TT or TN/DN (which doesn't mean it isn't). My pic does lean towards it looking a traditional nose but skating it, it doesn't feel (or really look top down) like either one; it really just feels like a hybrid, where the DLX TT is a tail.
Both kicks on both boards measure 6 5/8" long (topside measurement from edge of bolts to tip; FWIW with thunders on the DW, edge of plate to tip is 6.5" of usable kick if that fucking matters...asume 6 7/16" if using an Indy or Tensor plate (which is what the DLX TT measures with Tensor plates)...the dims put it as a long tail/short nose in my book...long tail with a nose shape...I'm used to 6.5" tails and 6.75"/7" noses so that might be why if feels like neither.
8.3" DLX TT left | 8.25 DW Neen twin right
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oBgNnlfWP4rj9EwCdhY0P-ZkrxJhajA21OD1AQIidBJ2Qm1CDFDa_3AC7ZTSNf_jb1bHJzMMj-mpVvXHz8IVrDPKttt-6yRuT30M1gv8jAbTZx05hZQE3zV7sK-yAI4dsVWpQ3BOcP0=w2400)
Sliding one way or the other felt as normal as could be and popping tricks I normally do off nose (fakie big spins or fakie big heels) for example were no problem...but I was coming off the DLX board for a few days and prior to that a regular board where mentally I had to pop those tricks off the nose, because I *had* one and that's how I learned them.
Anyway, it's awesome, best twin kick out there in my opinion/from what I've ridden (if you prefer shorter/standard WB). I'm shelving regular boards for the foreseeable future and stocking up on these.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/diZWew3sSwZoLun-yiTkFSR5bigGf0OsxxWbFv6ZBZAuwEhj8HMXis6UQ-Kifel9fMG3tCpwsBpEpTUhWaQuFY96m6mcyMkzhBsVWOujE9EGxd2SfneVLmGpAefh_dMszHGaByYlfws=w2400)
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Has anyone experimented with diff truck combos on their TT decks by any chance?
Found my Ishod 8.3 TT (L 31.9" / WB 14.4" / 6.6" TT) almost impossible to manual with Team Thunders. Chucked my Ace classic 44's on em and voila - problem solved. I have to say, it's crazy how much significant difference this whole deck & truck WB combo makes. Anyone else experience the same or similar?
When the likes of Prof Schmidtt and Ben Degros etc started talking about all this way back when, I thought it was all bs and we should just skate whatever (who cares) but after two years or experimenting I hate to admit that the difference can be night & day.
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Has anyone experimented with diff truck combos on their TT decks by any chance?
Found my Ishod 8.3 TT (L 31.9" / WB 14.4" / 6.6" TT) almost impossible to manual with Team Thunders. Chucked my Ace classic 44's on em and voila - problem solved. I have to say, it's crazy how much significant difference this whole deck & truck WB combo makes. Anyone else experience the same or similar?
When the likes of Prof Schmidtt and Ben Degros etc started talking about all this way back when, I thought it was all bs and we should just skate whatever (who cares) but after two years or experimenting I hate to admit that the difference can be night & day.
Sure have!
I didn’t like the O.G. 8.3” with thunders either. At basically 32” long (31.9”) with a 14.3” WB it’s already long, and thunders just exacerbate that feeling. It feels best on 144 Indys; Also, the dlx slicks feel soggy/heavy to me so I didn’t overly enjoy them.
My [dumb] rule of thumb is Indy/Tensor/Ace/Theeve on anything 14.3” WB or more, and Thunder on anything 14.1” and under...while not accurate at all, these to me, keeps them all feeling neutral, I.e., not too big not small.
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Has anyone experimented with diff truck combos on their TT decks by any chance?
Found my Ishod 8.3 TT (L 31.9" / WB 14.4" / 6.6" TT) almost impossible to manual with Team Thunders. Chucked my Ace classic 44's on em and voila - problem solved. I have to say, it's crazy how much significant difference this whole deck & truck WB combo makes. Anyone else experience the same or similar?
When the likes of Prof Schmidtt and Ben Degros etc started talking about all this way back when, I thought it was all bs and we should just skate whatever (who cares) but after two years or experimenting I hate to admit that the difference can be night & day.
Sure have!
I didn’t like the O.G. 8.3” with thunders either. At basically 32” long (31.9”) with a 14.3” WB it’s already long, and thunders just exacerbate that feeling. It feels best on 144 Indys; Also, the dlx slicks feel soggy/heavy to me so I didn’t overly enjoy them.
My [dumb] rule of thumb is Indy/Tensor/Ace/Theeve on anything 14.3” WB or more, and Thunder on anything 14.1” and under...while not accurate at all, these to me, keeps them all feeling neutral, I.e., not too big not small.
I can see why 147 thunders with two top bushings combo (bringing the wb in) would work that much better - prob feels similar to the Indy 44 combo. Agreed about the slick feeling heavier than normal.
That's a good rule of thumb
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Has anyone experimented with diff truck combos on their TT decks by any chance?
Found my Ishod 8.3 TT (L 31.9" / WB 14.4" / 6.6" TT) almost impossible to manual with Team Thunders. Chucked my Ace classic 44's on em and voila - problem solved. I have to say, it's crazy how much significant difference this whole deck & truck WB combo makes. Anyone else experience the same or similar?
When the likes of Prof Schmidtt and Ben Degros etc started talking about all this way back when, I thought it was all bs and we should just skate whatever (who cares) but after two years or experimenting I hate to admit that the difference can be night & day.
Sure have!
I didn’t like the O.G. 8.3” with thunders either. At basically 32” long (31.9”) with a 14.3” WB it’s already long, and thunders just exacerbate that feeling. It feels best on 144 Indys; Also, the dlx slicks feel soggy/heavy to me so I didn’t overly enjoy them.
My [dumb] rule of thumb is Indy/Tensor/Ace/Theeve on anything 14.3” WB or more, and Thunder on anything 14.1” and under...while not accurate at all, these to me, keeps them all feeling neutral, I.e., not too big not small.
I can see why 147 thunders with two top bushings combo (bringing the wb in) would work that much better - prob feels similar to the Indy 44 combo. Agreed about the slick feeling heavier than normal.
That's a good rule of thumb
I should mention that 14.25” which seems to be the standard, I can handle on pretty much any truck (favoring Indy or thunder since they do less of an extreme wheelbase push or pull compared to say venture or Ace).
Thunders with two top bushings would have me wheel biting just pushing…and he doesn’t seem to ride tight either. Crazy.
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Has anyone experimented with diff truck combos on their TT decks by any chance?
Found my Ishod 8.3 TT (L 31.9" / WB 14.4" / 6.6" TT) almost impossible to manual with Team Thunders. Chucked my Ace classic 44's on em and voila - problem solved. I have to say, it's crazy how much significant difference this whole deck & truck WB combo makes. Anyone else experience the same or similar?
When the likes of Prof Schmidtt and Ben Degros etc started talking about all this way back when, I thought it was all bs and we should just skate whatever (who cares) but after two years or experimenting I hate to admit that the difference can be night & day.
Sure have!
I didn’t like the O.G. 8.3” with thunders either. At basically 32” long (31.9”) with a 14.3” WB it’s already long, and thunders just exacerbate that feeling. It feels best on 144 Indys; Also, the dlx slicks feel soggy/heavy to me so I didn’t overly enjoy them.
My [dumb] rule of thumb is Indy/Tensor/Ace/Theeve on anything 14.3” WB or more, and Thunder on anything 14.1” and under...while not accurate at all, these to me, keeps them all feeling neutral, I.e., not too big not small.
I can see why 147 thunders with two top bushings combo (bringing the wb in) would work that much better - prob feels similar to the Indy 44 combo. Agreed about the slick feeling heavier than normal.
That's a good rule of thumb
I should mention that 14.25” which seems to be the standard, I can handle on pretty much any truck (favoring Indy or thunder since they do less of an extreme wheelbase push or pull compared to say venture or Ace).
Thunders with two top bushings would have me wheel biting just pushing…and he doesn’t seem to ride tight either. Crazy.
Yeah I tested that thunder two top bushing combo last summer and was getting mad wheel bite just pushing! No idea how he skates that shit and havin em so loose as well.
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Doesn't he ride with risers. I like the 8.3 with thunders the most. 147 and 148 are both fine for me. Both have their advantages. Don't like it on thunder 149. Rode it with Films 5.25. as well, which have similiar wheelbase like ace. I liked it, but putting on thunder 147 felt like a revelation. I prefer cast over forged plates on thunders at least with the twin tail. Messes with my flick somehow.
In retrospective hated 149 on the TT. Tempted to try it with Ventures 5.25 lo/hi or 5.6 but I feel I would not like the grind of them.
I prefer the thunder 147/148 for everything except that I feel like it is not the most "poppy" setup. But that is the twin tail for me in general. But beside that the advantages definitely outweigh that and it actually does not hinder me in my skating.
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Doesn't he ride with risers. I like the 8.3 with thunders the most. 147 and 148 are both fine for me. Both have their advantages. Don't like it on thunder 149. Rode it with Films 5.25. as well, which have similiar wheelbase like ace. I liked it, but putting on thunder 147 felt like a revelation. I prefer cast over forged plates on thunders at least with the twin tail. Messes with my flick somehow.
In retrospective hated 149 on the TT. Tempted to try it with Ventures 5.25 lo/hi or 5.6 but I feel I would not like the grind of them.
I prefer the thunder 147/148 for everything except that I feel like it is not the most "poppy" setup. But that is the twin tail for me in general. But beside that the advantages definitely outweigh that and it actually does not hinder me in my skating.
I tried 149s as well but they it just turns into a slog of a board, big WB, long length, wide trucks, etc. No bueno. Plus, it's a true 8.3 so it's more like an 8.25 than the wider 8.38 that DLX makes.
I get it, it's 'custom' he/worrest ride it and they like it but the dims are just 'big', that's why I like the Neen board, regular 14.25WB, even if the 31.5 is a tad short (but still manageable). If i had my way: a full 8.25/8.28, 14.25WB and 31.75" long hybrid kicks around 6.675.
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Doesn't he ride with risers. I like the 8.3 with thunders the most. 147 and 148 are both fine for me. Both have their advantages. Don't like it on thunder 149. Rode it with Films 5.25. as well, which have similiar wheelbase like ace. I liked it, but putting on thunder 147 felt like a revelation. I prefer cast over forged plates on thunders at least with the twin tail. Messes with my flick somehow.
In retrospective hated 149 on the TT. Tempted to try it with Ventures 5.25 lo/hi or 5.6 but I feel I would not like the grind of them.
I prefer the thunder 147/148 for everything except that I feel like it is not the most "poppy" setup. But that is the twin tail for me in general. But beside that the advantages definitely outweigh that and it actually does not hinder me in my skating.
I’ve seen him skating with and without risers tbh. Interesting, what is it about the 147/148 thunders that make it feel and work better for you on the 8.3 TT? Does the turn feel significantly different on 147/148 compared to 149?
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Doesn't he ride with risers. I like the 8.3 with thunders the most. 147 and 148 are both fine for me. Both have their advantages. Don't like it on thunder 149. Rode it with Films 5.25. as well, which have similiar wheelbase like ace. I liked it, but putting on thunder 147 felt like a revelation. I prefer cast over forged plates on thunders at least with the twin tail. Messes with my flick somehow.
In retrospective hated 149 on the TT. Tempted to try it with Ventures 5.25 lo/hi or 5.6 but I feel I would not like the grind of them.
I prefer the thunder 147/148 for everything except that I feel like it is not the most "poppy" setup. But that is the twin tail for me in general. But beside that the advantages definitely outweigh that and it actually does not hinder me in my skating.
I tried 149s as well but they it just turns into a slog of a board, big WB, long length, wide trucks, etc. No bueno. Plus, it's a true 8.3 so it's more like an 8.25 than the wider 8.38 that DLX makes.
I get it, it's 'custom' he/worrest ride it and they like it but the dims are just 'big', that's why I like the Neen board, regular 14.25WB, even if the 31.5 is a tad short (but still manageable). If i had my way: a full 8.25/8.28, 14.25WB and 31.75" long hybrid kicks around 6.675.
Yeah makes sense why I wasn’t feeling it with the 149’s. Instantly felt way better and could actually hold manuals with classic 44’s.
I heard originally the neen DW true twin had two steep noses but they’ve mellowed it out since - is this correct?
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Doesn't he ride with risers. I like the 8.3 with thunders the most. 147 and 148 are both fine for me. Both have their advantages. Don't like it on thunder 149. Rode it with Films 5.25. as well, which have similiar wheelbase like ace. I liked it, but putting on thunder 147 felt like a revelation. I prefer cast over forged plates on thunders at least with the twin tail. Messes with my flick somehow.
In retrospective hated 149 on the TT. Tempted to try it with Ventures 5.25 lo/hi or 5.6 but I feel I would not like the grind of them.
I prefer the thunder 147/148 for everything except that I feel like it is not the most "poppy" setup. But that is the twin tail for me in general. But beside that the advantages definitely outweigh that and it actually does not hinder me in my skating.
I’ve seen him skating with and without risers tbh. Interesting, what is it about the 147/148 thunders that make it feel and work better for you on the 8.3 TT? Does the turn feel significantly different on 147/148 compared to 149?
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Doesn't he ride with risers. I like the 8.3 with thunders the most. 147 and 148 are both fine for me. Both have their advantages. Don't like it on thunder 149. Rode it with Films 5.25. as well, which have similiar wheelbase like ace. I liked it, but putting on thunder 147 felt like a revelation. I prefer cast over forged plates on thunders at least with the twin tail. Messes with my flick somehow.
In retrospective hated 149 on the TT. Tempted to try it with Ventures 5.25 lo/hi or 5.6 but I feel I would not like the grind of them.
I prefer the thunder 147/148 for everything except that I feel like it is not the most "poppy" setup. But that is the twin tail for me in general. But beside that the advantages definitely outweigh that and it actually does not hinder me in my skating.
I tried 149s as well but they it just turns into a slog of a board, big WB, long length, wide trucks, etc. No bueno. Plus, it's a true 8.3 so it's more like an 8.25 than the wider 8.38 that DLX makes.
I get it, it's 'custom' he/worrest ride it and they like it but the dims are just 'big', that's why I like the Neen board, regular 14.25WB, even if the 31.5 is a tad short (but still manageable). If i had my way: a full 8.25/8.28, 14.25WB and 31.75" long hybrid kicks around 6.675.
Yeah makes sense why I wasn’t feeling it with the 149’s. Instantly felt way better and could actually hold manuals with classic 44’s.
I heard originally the neen DW true twin had two steep noses but they’ve mellowed it out since - is this correct?
8.25" trucks are just goldilocks for me, not too small, not too big, and work great across the 3 sizes I skate: 8.125/8.25/8.375 so win/win/win. Plus, not as heavy as 149s and have more grind room than 8" trucks.
Never rode the first neen twin nose but the twin I'm riding now is totally different as far as dimensions go to it's predecessor (and the current DW 8.5 neen twin as well). The other was long, big wb and two noses, the 8.25 is shorter all around and built dims-wise like a 'regular or standard' 8.25...it honestly just feels like your standard 8.25 BB board but with identical kicks.
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after a couple cruises to the store I’m pretty happy with an Ishod 8.3 TT (III) on Ace 44s
I’ll def look for a IV stamp if I ever see these in person, I usually ride mellow toy machine boards ele o ele
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Incidentally I found a review out there saying the non VX McCoy is also symmetrical. The measurements seem to back that up:
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/825in-x-3183in-mccoy-afterglow-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck
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Upcoming Worrest TT graphics
(https://i.ibb.co/MkrnbLV/0-EEB3-C63-1-E67-4-A10-8-F4-E-1-C0-E6-E9-D92-BA.png) (https://ibb.co/MkrnbLV)
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my current deck is the neen williams with the cannibal holocaust artwork from jj villard. i really fucking dig not worrying what way more board is facing. im going to miss this board dearly. for me it's the ultimate even steven
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my current deck is the neen williams with the cannibal holocaust artwork from jj villard. i really fucking dig not worrying what way more board is facing. im going to miss this board dearly. for me it's the ultimate even steven
Is that the 8.5" one?
The 8.25" is the shit, I've a few setups and since I've started riding the recent 8.25" everything else feels weird, I've even swapped through 3 truck brands and nothing felt off at all (though I think I'm settling on Indys.
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Thanks for this list. Have there been any new symmetrical shapes released since this was written?
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Thanks for this list. Have there been any new symmetrical shapes released since this was written?
Yep.
Deathwish Neen Astrovore Twin 8.25" x 31.5"
DLX also revamped the Ishod Twin tails with new dimensions.
Also, not throwing company names out but expect to see something new/updated down the road…no idea when.
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Thanks for this list. Have there been any new symmetrical shapes released since this was written?
Yep.
Deathwish Neen Astrovore Twin 8.25" x 31.5"
DLX also revamped the Ishod Twin tails with new dimensions.
Also, not throwing company names out but expect to see something new/updated down the road…no idea when.
Does this mean the 8.5 twin tail is going to look like two 8.5” tails? Because the current 8.5” twin tail is complete trash and a total disappointment. If they fixed it, I would skate so many of them. Definitely would be stock piling
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Crailtap are releasing an 8.25" and 8.5" twin tail, word on the street is they should start dropping around the end of this month/start of sept.
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Crailtap are releasing an 8.25" and 8.5" twin tail, word on the street is they should start dropping around the end of this month/start of sept.
Thanks for the heads up! Will be checking that out
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Thanks for this list. Have there been any new symmetrical shapes released since this was written?
Yep.
Deathwish Neen Astrovore Twin 8.25" x 31.5"
DLX also revamped the Ishod Twin tails with new dimensions.
Also, not throwing company names out but expect to see something new/updated down the road…no idea when.
Thanks! Also looking forward to those other ones from Crailtap and such.
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
Market-wise I am not sure a 7.75 twin would be a seller; he’s also been skating 8.25s which is what I think prof. Ralityschmitt measured.
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Market-wise I am not sure a 7.75 twin would be a seller; he’s also been skating 8.25s which is what I think prof. Ralityschmitt measured.
Yes it would be a unicorn and definitely would not be a huge seller, but they still make a 7.75 and 7.8 so it's not out of the question. While he skates a 8.25 for his everyday slappy board, he's mentioned he still skates a 7.75 for street on the rare occasion that he does.
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
8.25 and 8.5, both 31.875" long. Don't know the WB unfortunately. Shape codes are G069 and G096 (I see what they did there)
The ones listed on that Thai site tally with what I know, and the graphics look right, they've also got the correct shape codes... so guess that's what we are going to be getting - stoked if the WB is 14", that's my jam.
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My Heroin Symmetrical Egg has a steeper nose with more fingers of flat - I guess while the dims are symmetrical, the mold is not.
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My Heroin Symmetrical Egg has a steeper nose with more fingers of flat - I guess while the dims are symmetrical, the mold is not.
I’ve no way of measuring so eyeballing, but I’ve about 1 finger of flat at each kick (indys) and the kicks look and feel exactly the same to me…bummer yours is off.
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My Heroin Symmetrical Egg has a steeper nose with more fingers of flat - I guess while the dims are symmetrical, the mold is not.
I’ve no way of measuring so eyeballing, but I’ve about 1 finger of flat at each kick (indys) and the kicks look and feel exactly the same to me…bummer yours is off.
Nose hits a couple mms higher on the measuring tape - turned upside down and put a level on it to make sure.
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^ I am nervous that this might become more of an issue now that symmetrical decks are hot. So far I have had a 8.25 Ishod monarch that was on the wrong shape and a Worrest 8.38 with a little different steepness of the kicks. The other 4 symmetricals have been perfect though. It wasn't long ago you had to have luck on your side to find a 8.38 slick or any symmetrical for that matter. I found an Ishod 8.3 slick on the first shop site I looked last night(Orchard) and I saw on Tactics you can actually pick your color on the Worrest 8.3s
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Thanks for this list. Have there been any new symmetrical shapes released since this was written?
Pretty impressive list!
Would be good to know what truck combos you found worked best for each of the decks on your list if poss pls? ;)
Also which one has been your fav or if you had to settle for one?
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Is there any need to rotate wheels with symmetrical shapes? With a non-symmetrical popsicle my wheels wear unevenly. But if I'm skating a symmetrical board, would the wheels still wear unevenly but less so? If only I skated switch exactly as much as I skated regular then I wouldn't have to worry about this.
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Is there any need to rotate wheels with symmetrical shapes? With a non-symmetrical popsicle my wheels wear unevenly. But if I'm skating a symmetrical board, would the wheels still wear unevenly but less so? If only I skated switch exactly as much as I skated regular then I wouldn't have to worry about this.
if you don't favor a a kick you should only need to reverse the wheels where they are instead of rotating to balance out the coning (if you get any).
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
8.25 and 8.5, both 31.875" long. Don't know the WB unfortunately. Shape codes are G069 and G096 (I see what they did there)
The ones listed on that Thai site tally with what I know, and the graphics look right, they've also got the correct shape codes... so guess that's what we are going to be getting - stoked if the WB is 14", that's my jam.
Preduce skateshop?
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
8.25 and 8.5, both 31.875" long. Don't know the WB unfortunately. Shape codes are G069 and G096 (I see what they did there)
The ones listed on that Thai site tally with what I know, and the graphics look right, they've also got the correct shape codes... so guess that's what we are going to be getting - stoked if the WB is 14", that's my jam.
Preduce skateshop?
i found it listed on a Swiss skateshop, Doodah
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^ I am nervous that this might become more of an issue now that symmetrical decks are hot. So far I have had a 8.25 Ishod monarch that was on the wrong shape and a Worrest 8.38 with a little different steepness of the kicks
Being on the wrong shape is inexcusable - in my case, I think it is within the margin of error, like the Worrest you got and only my OCD that can't deal with 2mm difference. I have the wb mod tool in 1/4", so I'm going to just drill the nose back and make it a nice 14.125" wb and treat the nose as the nose. Still a tremendously good shape, I prefer it to the normal razor egg.
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DLX also revamped the Ishod Twin tails with new dimensions.
Have you seen any numbers? From what I can tell, the latest Ishod twin tails (with the bimmers) have the same dimensions and shapes as the past models...
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DLX also revamped the Ishod Twin tails with new dimensions.
You’re right. The recent twin tails with the BMW’s on it is the normal shape we’ve seen before. I think they’re talking about a future twin tail. Probably dropping around holiday season this year.
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DLX also revamped the Ishod Twin tails with new dimensions.
You’re right. The recent twin tails with the BMW’s on it is the normal shape we’ve seen before. I think they’re talking about a future twin tail. Probably dropping around holiday season this year.
I imagine the 8.38 will be safe. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
preduce skateshop? the crob twin paddle GO69.8.25/31.875/14. no stats on both paddle length.
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
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preduce skateshop? the crob twin paddle GO69.8.25/31.875/14. no stats on both paddle length.
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
Thanks for the info, I wasn't able to see the stats on the website before. If it is a true twin, the nose and tail should be 6.8375 which is nice because it is close to the G052 I have now.
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preduce skateshop? the crob twin paddle GO69.8.25/31.875/14. no stats on both paddle length.
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
Thanks for the info, I wasn't able to see the stats on the website before. If it is a true twin, the nose and tail should be 6.8375 which is nice because it is close to the G052 I have now.
That is accurate if the 31.875" measurement is with the tape pressed in. I'm putting my money on 6.785 tips - they probably measure straight across
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Stocking up, supplies are running looooow:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/57HJL0VFRhc_i2f6RkLBrwhAsp0S4FeoV0t4zodS79pLEea27sR5im88E1zLo6-hpsAWdllwcTJD5qnIzAjyvWrIY9blJd7wYi77d0_1YHqUfoyMVZXmLnyB-yHf62d1g_oPJIDubEM=w2400)
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What are the cheapest 8.5" twin tails that one could procure?
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What are the cheapest 8.5" twin tails that one could procure?
Only 8.5 on the market that I'm aware of:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-slayer-twin-deck-8-5
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What are the cheapest 8.5" twin tails that one could procure?
Only 8.5 on the market that I'm aware of:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-slayer-twin-deck-8-5
You forgot there is a 8.5 Ishod. Same wheelbase and the two I have had were also 32" long, not 32.2 as Real states. The Neen is probably flatter than the Ishod.
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What are the cheapest 8.5" twin tails that one could procure?
Only 8.5 on the market that I'm aware of:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-slayer-twin-deck-8-5
Damn I'd buy that if it were in stock. Sick graphic
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What are the cheapest 8.5" twin tails that one could procure?
Only 8.5 on the market that I'm aware of:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-slayer-twin-deck-8-5
Damn I'd buy that if it were in stock. Sick graphic
FYI the deck is way over 32in. I picked one up on vacation just because IDK how long Neen will remain on Deathwish. Its a dope deck but its long.
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What are the cheapest 8.5" twin tails that one could procure?
Only 8.5 on the market that I'm aware of:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/neen-slayer-twin-deck-8-5
Damn I'd buy that if it were in stock. Sick graphic
FYI the deck is way over 32in. I picked one up on vacation just because IDK how long Neen will remain on Deathwish. Its a dope deck but its long.
Makes sense, if both Neen's and Ishod's boards have the same wheelbase, there is no way a twin nose and a twin tail can be the same length, even less so with the mellower kicks of the Neen.
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Would like to try a twin tail, but can not find a 7.75 twin tail from my local shops. Do you know that is there even any 7.75 twin tails in the market, or am I trying to find something that does not even exist??
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Would like to try a twin tail, but can not find a 7.75 twin tail from my local shops. Do you know that is there even any 7.75 twin tails in the market, or am I trying to find something that does not even exist??
Smallest TT that I know of is the Ishod 8"
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I'm excited to see the crail twin, any stats? I thought I saw somewhere that it'd be one of the few on the market with a 14" wb, a twin tail g052 would be nice. There's a skateshop in thailand that's listing a twin chunk deck on the website with no stats, maybe fake/old. Being for Crob, I was hoping for a 7.75 twin.
8.25 and 8.5, both 31.875" long. Don't know the WB unfortunately. Shape codes are G069 and G096 (I see what they did there)
The ones listed on that Thai site tally with what I know, and the graphics look right, they've also got the correct shape codes... so guess that's what we are going to be getting - stoked if the WB is 14", that's my jam.
Wheelbase is 14wb
Tails are 6.84' i believe
OCD in Australia has them
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For canadians, just saw that Top of the World in Ottawa has both sizes of the CROB Twin in stock (https://www.topoftheworld.com/collections/vendors?q=CHOCOLATE).
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Just switched to an Ishod 8.3 slick twin tail and loving it. So freeing to just ride and not think about nose/tail/direction.
Love love love it. Only thing that bugs me: The graphics suck (got the BMW one).
Someone mentioned to use nail polish remover + paper towels to get rid of the graphic. Just wanted to ask if anybody knows if I'll ruin the slick removing the graphic like that... thanks for the help.
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Would like to try a twin tail, but can not find a 7.75 twin tail from my local shops. Do you know that is there even any 7.75 twin tails in the market, or am I trying to find something that does not even exist??
7.75 is verging on a freestyle deck, you could try Moonshine or Mode
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Just switched to an Ishod 8.3 slick twin tail and loving it. So freeing to just ride and not think about nose/tail/direction.
Love love love it. Only thing that bugs me: The graphics suck (got the BMW one).
Someone mentioned to use nail polish remover + paper towels to get rid of the graphic. Just wanted to ask if anybody knows if I'll ruin the slick removing the graphic like that... thanks for the help.
Try scraping some off with a razor blade first, just to see.
I cannot recall if the slick is applied over everything, or to the deck before graphic is put on, but I know with another brand, they had the slick on the deck first, then the graphic was over the top, so it makes it easier to get the graphic off.
Depending on what you are skating, using a natural obstacle to rub the graphic off might also work well enough, but that might not be quite what you are going for.
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For canadians, just saw that Top of the World in Ottawa has both sizes of the CROB Twin in stock (https://www.topoftheworld.com/collections/vendors?q=CHOCOLATE).
Fuck I can't wait for these to be available in the states.
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For canadians, just saw that Top of the World in Ottawa has both sizes of the CROB Twin in stock (https://www.topoftheworld.com/collections/vendors?q=CHOCOLATE).
Fuck I can't wait for these to be available in the states.
This is such a cool looking board. I also like the sizes that were posted (in this thread I think), though they aren't on the crailtap shape guide.
Probably going to run down the LSH and see if he can order 2 of these for me.
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Do yall have certain board companies that you wish made TTs? I’ve been skating nothing but DLX boards for years and want to try something new but don’t want to switch off from skating TT boards.
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Just switched to an Ishod 8.3 slick twin tail and loving it. So freeing to just ride and not think about nose/tail/direction.
Love love love it. Only thing that bugs me: The graphics suck (got the BMW one).
Someone mentioned to use nail polish remover + paper towels to get rid of the graphic. Just wanted to ask if anybody knows if I'll ruin the slick removing the graphic like that... thanks for the help.
No idea if the current run is different but as AFAIK the graphics are under the slick. It *is* a shitty graphic but find some ugly curbs and get sliding.
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Do yall have certain board companies that you wish made TTs? I’ve been skating nothing but DLX boards for years and want to try something new but don’t want to switch off from skating TT boards.
Quasi using the proto shape (same for AWS or any other group with square shapes; yes AWS makes one but it's a standard shape).
Dwindle using Resin 7 (my guess is Madness will eventually do one).
It's interesting that there is a resurgence (thanks to ishod/DLX), hasn't been one for over a decade where multiple brands were making them.
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Curious too how many are actually the same concave and angle at both kicks, compared to some places just saying both kicks are the same but the decks are still made on the same molds which have different nose and tail angles.
Can't remember where but a couple of people said their twin tails were not the same.
I know from having the Ishod boards, they were, as I guess the Neen boards too, otherwise something would have been said about them by now.
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Anyone on the hunt we have real ishod twins in 8.3 slick and 8.5, free shipping over $75 in the us
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Real.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Real.htm)
And Krooked worrest 8.3 slick
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Krooked/p/Krooked-WORREST-Would-Slick-TT-83-x-3195-x59389543.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Krooked/p/Krooked-WORREST-Would-Slick-TT-83-x-3195-x59389543.htm)
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Do yall have certain board companies that you wish made TTs? I’ve been skating nothing but DLX boards for years and want to try something new but don’t want to switch off from skating TT boards.
Quasi using the proto shape (same for AWS or any other group with square shapes; yes AWS makes one but it's a standard shape).
Dwindle using Resin 7 (my guess is Madness will eventually do one).
It's interesting that there is a resurgence (thanks to ishod/DLX), hasn't been one for over a decade where multiple brands were making them.
Creature john gardner ghosts is marketed as a twin tail right? I want that board
That would be dsm correct
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Dwindle using Resin 7 (my guess is Madness will eventually do one).
Nothing in the upcoming drops:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g5uvxluu69opczo/AADbTCLgGppxMBJ-CQOUSrwla/-Catalogs-?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1
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Do yall have certain board companies that you wish made TTs? I’ve been skating nothing but DLX boards for years and want to try something new but don’t want to switch off from skating TT boards.
Quasi using the proto shape (same for AWS or any other group with square shapes; yes AWS makes one but it's a standard shape).
Dwindle using Resin 7 (my guess is Madness will eventually do one).
It's interesting that there is a resurgence (thanks to ishod/DLX), hasn't been one for over a decade where multiple brands were making them.
Creature john gardner ghosts is marketed as a twin tail right? I want that board
That would be dsm correct
Yes, Dwindle / Excel depending on whether they have changed, both in China.
Same concave and feel though.
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Curious too how many are actually the same concave and angle at both kicks, compared to some places just saying both kicks are the same but the decks are still made on the same molds which have different nose and tail angles.
Can't remember where but a couple of people said their twin tails were not the same.
I know from having the Ishod boards, they were, as I guess the Neen boards too, otherwise something would have been said about them by now.
There's been one count (?) of an ishod TT not being a TT and the SC VX McCoy (white one) that's not marketed as a TT (but has been mentioned by SC reps that it is symmetrical as far as kick steepness/degrees of kick) isn't; there is a kick that is longer and you can see it shaped differently once you grip and are staring down at the shape = one is clearly a nose and one a tail and you can easily pick it out every time.
The Neen board I'm on feels true, I can't feel or see a difference at all. That DW 8.25 is the best TT for me so far and the only negs I could throw out is that it could be just a hair longer and steeper.
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Curious too how many are actually the same concave and angle at both kicks, compared to some places just saying both kicks are the same but the decks are still made on the same molds which have different nose and tail angles.
Can't remember where but a couple of people said their twin tails were not the same.
I know from having the Ishod boards, they were, as I guess the Neen boards too, otherwise something would have been said about them by now.
There's been one count (?) of an ishod TT not being a TT and the SC VX McCoy (white one) that's not marketed as a TT (but has been mentioned by SC reps that it is symmetrical as far as kick steepness/degrees of kick) isn't; there is a kick that is longer and you can see it shaped differently once you grip and are staring down at the shape = one is clearly a nose and one a tail and you can easily pick it out every time.
The Neen board I'm on feels true, I can't feel or see a difference at all. That DW 8.25 is the best TT for me so far and the only negs I could throw out is that it could be just a hair longer and steeper.
Yeah I think that one Real was printed on the wrong shape, same as per a Mason graphic on a twin if I recall, as has happened a bit during the rush post shutdowns, as per a couple of other decks I have had in recent months too (not TT though).
I recall one normal board from a long time ago where the deck must have been cut the other way round, which felt so weird to skate and was definitely different to the others with the same graphic from the same lot. Passed it on to someone else pretty quickly, but from that it was curious that it would make such a difference, so for some people who have cut the nose down, or changed the shape, it would still have a definite nose concave and a tail concave.
Different presses for the twins is a must though, as well as making sure the bolt holes are centered.
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Crob specs, no idea how legit (if true, real close to the G052:
https://doodah.ch/de/chocolate-chris-roberts-twin-chunk-orange-cb4163g069.html
Shape G069 (Twin Tip):
- Wheelbase: 14.0''
- Nose: 6.84''
- Tail: 6.84''
G069 (nice work there ;)
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Dwindle using Resin 7 (my guess is Madness will eventually do one).
Nothing in the upcoming drops:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g5uvxluu69opczo/AADbTCLgGppxMBJ-CQOUSrwla/-Catalogs-?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1
Key word: "eventually"; they are the only brand under dwindle with shapes, slicks, wheel wells, grip cutouts and shit, makes sense that if anyone under that umbrella would do one, it'd be them.
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Curious too how many are actually the same concave and angle at both kicks, compared to some places just saying both kicks are the same but the decks are still made on the same molds which have different nose and tail angles.
Can't remember where but a couple of people said their twin tails were not the same.
I know from having the Ishod boards, they were, as I guess the Neen boards too, otherwise something would have been said about them by now.
There's been one count (?) of an ishod TT not being a TT and the SC VX McCoy (white one) that's not marketed as a TT (but has been mentioned by SC reps that it is symmetrical as far as kick steepness/degrees of kick) isn't; there is a kick that is longer and you can see it shaped differently once you grip and are staring down at the shape = one is clearly a nose and one a tail and you can easily pick it out every time.
The Neen board I'm on feels true, I can't feel or see a difference at all. That DW 8.25 is the best TT for me so far and the only negs I could throw out is that it could be just a hair longer and steeper.
Yeah I think that one Real was printed on the wrong shape, same as per a Mason graphic on a twin if I recall, as has happened a bit during the rush post shutdowns, as per a couple of other decks I have had in recent months too (not TT though).
I recall one normal board from a long time ago where the deck must have been cut the other way round, which felt so weird to skate and was definitely different to the others with the same graphic from the same lot. Passed it on to someone else pretty quickly, but from that it was curious that it would make such a difference, so for some people who have cut the nose down, or changed the shape, it would still have a definite nose concave and a tail concave.
Different presses for the twins is a must though, as well as making sure the bolt holes are centered.
I think the Mason on a TT board and the Ishod TT not on a TT board were probably meant for Ishod, Mason or other guys from the team personally, but got mixed up along the way and ended up in a shop. They ride their personal shapes exclusively (Mason the 8.28 and Ishod the 8.3 TT slick) but DLX makes them boards with their shapes but with all the other Real graphics as well so they don't get bored of having the same graphics all the time.
Regarding the graphics on Ishod's slicks, on all those I have seen, the graphics is printed over the slick, not between the wood and the slick, same for Worrests, but I have not seen the BMW ones in the flesh.
The Crob twin shapes are G069 and G096, someone is probably pretty pleased with himself at Crailtap for this! ;D
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I think the Mason on a TT board and the Ishod TT not on a TT board were probably meant for Ishod, Mason or other guys from the team personally, but got mixed up along the way and ended up in a shop. They ride their personal shapes exclusively (Mason the 8.28 and Ishod the 8.3 TT slick) but DLX makes them boards with their shapes but with all the other Real graphics as well so they don't get bored of having the same graphics all the time.
That definitely makes sense.
Noticed the most recent Ishod clips are on the Tanner towel graphic or something and was wondering, but didn't really give it much thought.
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Anyone on the hunt we have real ishod twins in 8.3 slick and 8.5, free shipping over $75 in the us
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Real.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Real.htm)
And Krooked worrest 8.3 slick
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Krooked/p/Krooked-WORREST-Would-Slick-TT-83-x-3195-x59389543.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Krooked/p/Krooked-WORREST-Would-Slick-TT-83-x-3195-x59389543.htm)
Broooo thanks just got the ishod and some loopholes, talk about coming in clutch
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
I don’t mind the car graphic either, I’m somewhat of a car nerd
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
I don’t mind the car graphic either, I’m somewhat of a car nerd
Well that makes 3 of us then lol
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Nah the cars are minging, it’s like toy graphics. The main selling point seems to be at least it’s not Krooked Worrest artwork which is even worse…
The cat scratch Ishod graphics were amazing I thought. I don’t know when the next Real drop will be (mid-late Sept?) but I’m hoping they change the graphics.
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Nah the cars are minging, it’s like toy graphics. The main selling point seems to be at least it’s not Krooked Worrest artwork which is even worse…
The cat scratch Ishod graphics were amazing I thought. I don’t know when the next Real drop will be (mid-late Sept?) but I’m hoping they change the graphics.
I hope that they go back to symmetrical graphics. Halfway down the cars should of flipped :) But at the end of day I don't too care much, because sliding middle of the board is so much fucking fun on slicks.
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Nah the cars are minging, it’s like toy graphics. The main selling point seems to be at least it’s not Krooked Worrest artwork which is even worse…
The cat scratch Ishod graphics were amazing I thought. I don’t know when the next Real drop will be (mid-late Sept?) but I’m hoping they change the graphics.
Oh man flipped the cars mid graphic….didn’t even think of that, good point
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Nah the cars are minging, it’s like toy graphics. The main selling point seems to be at least it’s not Krooked Worrest artwork which is even worse…
The cat scratch Ishod graphics were amazing I thought. I don’t know when the next Real drop will be (mid-late Sept?) but I’m hoping they change the graphics.
Oh man flipped the cars mid graphic….didn’t even think of that, good point
Haha thanks..Maybe they will put me on for graphic design. Until then I'm gonna just spin tires on these 20 something tricks I have left.
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Has anyone picked up or ridden the new Chocolate TT? Be interested to hearing feedback on the shape and ect
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I hope that they go back to symmetrical graphics. Halfway down the cars should of flipped :) But at the end of day I don't too care much, because sliding middle of the board is so much fucking fun on slicks.
Based on the graphic I was disappointed that the Real Zion Yin Yang Kitty board wasn't a twin tail. It's fine as-is but with a little tweaking they could lean even harder into it if it were a TT. I mean, cats? tails? anyone?
https://www.tactics.com/real/zion-yin-yang-kitty-825-skateboard-deck
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I hope that they go back to symmetrical graphics. Halfway down the cars should of flipped :) But at the end of day I don't too care much, because sliding middle of the board is so much fucking fun on slicks.
Based on the graphic I was disappointed that the Real Zion Yin Yang Kitty board wasn't a twin tail. It's fine as-is but with a little tweaking they could lean even harder into it if it were a TT. I mean, cats? tails? anyone?
https://www.tactics.com/real/zion-yin-yang-kitty-825-skateboard-deck
Massively missed opportunity.
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Has anyone picked up or ridden the new Chocolate TT? Be interested to hearing feedback on the shape and ect
As soon as they make landfall in the UK i'll be grabbing one, will feed back.
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
I don’t mind the car graphic either, I’m somewhat of a car nerd
Normally, I'd hate a graphic like this. But I own an e30, and really like the twin tail, so this gets a pass from me. Actually skating this graphic right now.
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Curious if the graphic direction sort of dictates the direction the board is used, even if it is identical / twin kicks?
Although the board starts out the same, one guy I know always finds that he unknowingly favours one kick and it will flex out more, but then will try to skate the other kick to even it out and get longer life out of the board.
It does seem like a twin / mirror graphic would be less to think about, if people are obsessing over it.
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You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
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You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
Yes! Haha I noticed that one side was getting white sole marks more than the other so I spent the rest of the session making sure that I would shove it around first to make it even. Doesn't ruin the purpose of a TT but it reassured me that I have issues.
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Any insight on the crob deck drop? Why are some people already getting it and chocolate doesn't even acknowledge its existence yet. I need the 8.5 so bad and I don't even like crob.
You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
I'm guilty of adding dirt to my grip in order to make it symmetrical because I couldn't get some dirt off
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Any insight on the crob deck drop? Why are some people already getting it and chocolate doesn't even acknowledge its existence yet. I need the 8.5 so bad and I don't even like crob.
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You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
I'm guilty of adding dirt to my grip in order to make it symmetrical because I couldn't get some dirt off
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You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
Yup, my first kickflip marks made me instantly flip the board to balance it out, now, it's all fucked up and it doesn't matter.
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Any insight on the crob deck drop? Why are some people already getting it and chocolate doesn't even acknowledge its existence yet. I need the 8.5 so bad and I don't even like crob.
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You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
I'm guilty of adding dirt to my grip in order to make it symmetrical because I couldn't get some dirt off
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You can let bottom graphics get to you for sure, but marks/cuts/stains/chunks/scrapes/etc on your grip mess with you; it becomes that kicks with 'that mark' lol
Yup, my first kickflip marks made me instantly flip the board to balance it out, now, it's all fucked up and it doesn't matter.
Haha the one I am skating now is fucked up enough to not matter, but in couple weeks or less I have to start this process all over again..
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so thanks for all the answers, just gonna leave it here since somebody else had already wondered pages ago: graphics are above slick at ishods 8.3.
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
I don’t mind the car graphic either, I’m somewhat of a car nerd
I’m a fan of the graphic personally but I’m into classic German whips so...
Plus the graphic gets skated off after a few good sessions anyway so even if the graphic sucks it doesn’t bother me as long as the size and shape is good. Crazy how ppl get so bummed on graphics they’re not that into. Isn’t that what stickers and posco pens are good for?
Also been skating the same deck in 8.3 for about a month now. Can’t beat not needing to think about nose and tail. Going back down to 8.25 with 14” wb after this though.
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
I don’t mind the car graphic either, I’m somewhat of a car nerd
I’m a fan of the graphic personally but I’m into classic German whips so...
Plus the graphic gets skated off after a few good sessions anyway so even if the graphic sucks it doesn’t bother me as long as the size and shape is good. Crazy how ppl get so bummed on graphics they’re not that into. Isn’t that what stickers and posco pens are good for?
Also been skating the same deck in 8.3 for about a month now. Can’t beat not needing to think about nose and tail. Going back down to 8.25 with 14” wb after this though.
I’m sure I’m gonna have a hard time adjusting as well this will be my first TT
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I'm under the impression that I am the only one that likes Ishods beemer graphic. I think have had all of them and this ones my favorite for sentimental reasons, so I got two.
I don’t mind the car graphic either, I’m somewhat of a car nerd
I’m a fan of the graphic personally but I’m into classic German whips so...
Plus the graphic gets skated off after a few good sessions anyway so even if the graphic sucks it doesn’t bother me as long as the size and shape is good. Crazy how ppl get so bummed on graphics they’re not that into. Isn’t that what stickers and posco pens are good for?
Also been skating the same deck in 8.3 for about a month now. Can’t beat not needing to think about nose and tail. Going back down to 8.25 with 14” wb after this though.
I’m sure I’m gonna have a hard time adjusting as well this will be my first TT
Think you'll adjust quicker than you imagine - it's harder to adjust back to a normal deck with nose and tail once u get used to skating at TT IMO.
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Think you'll adjust quicker than you imagine - it's harder to adjust back to a normal deck with nose and tail once u get used to skating at TT IMO.
I had a huge problem going back. I had 2 Ishod TT and then bought a FA Sage board. I literally found the Ishod butterfly deck 1 week later and set it up. I just felt so weird and uncomfortable.
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Think you'll adjust quicker than you imagine - it's harder to adjust back to a normal deck with nose and tail once u get used to skating at TT IMO.
I had a huge problem going back. I had 2 Ishod TT and then bought a FA Sage board. I literally found the Ishod butterfly deck 1 week later and set it up. I just felt so weird and uncomfortable.
Yeah I tried skating a standard primitive 8.25 today (with 14" wb) after 5 weeks on a Ishod TT slick 8.3 and it felt wack af. Kickflips felt awful and kept rocketing. Thought a shorter wb was meant to help with the board not rocketing for flips (according to a lot of what I've been reading in wb threads on here) but defo doesn't work out that way for everyone.
Hope to see more brands offer symmetrical shapes going forward...
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I was contemplating it for a couple weeks..but I got skeered and stocked up on Ishods instead. If you end up getting one please report back sir.
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I’m sitting on too many of the DW Neen 8.25s to pick one up :)
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I’m sitting on too many of the DW Neen 8.25s to pick one up :)
Well then it is up to one of these other guys on here to break trail.
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The Owlien is said to have 14.25 wb as well, which puts it more so in the twin nose category, for anyone wanting shorter wheelbase options or longer kicks.
I still haven't seen one in person, but that ties in with the usual shorter wheelbases and longer kicks of regular AWS decks.
https://alienworkshop.com/collections/decks/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b
Dimensions
8.375 X 32.25 WB 14.25
Proprietary symmetrical shape
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Have skated one and I think I have still one in reserve.
If I find some time I can make some side by side photos of it with a Real/Krooked TT.
Fuller and Slightly longer tails.
Skated well, but I remember missing the slick in the first session.^^
First sessions on a krooked were a bit weird after skating that deck for a long time. Felt heavy as fuck.
I remember liking the owlien more once it started razor tailing a bit.
Some said theirs did not feel totally symmetric.
I did not feel/see any difference. But I am not to sensitive.
Liked it more for noseslides, nollie/switch heels and stuff like that, but that could have totally been imagination.
Did not feel too much of diff in regards of the wheel base but I skated it with forged and before/after i skated with cast plates.
Tried cast again after buying the forged and the flick felt instantly better on kickflips due to weight. Can't rememver if I already switched when I was still skating the owlien.
So make with that what you want.
360 flips felt different. Not worse just different. While on the dlx tt i focus more on the straigt pop down, I focused more on scooping.
On the dlx it happens from time to time, that I miss the pop on a tre and it does that strange wiggling between your legs. On the owlien I missed some by underrotating.
Take all that with a grain of salt. I skated the owlien like 2-3 Month ago.
After all i mainly skate the twin tails because of the fact that one does not have to check the direction of the board and I can skate them for ages because of that as well. So I skate them because of the shape and not because of the shape if that does make any sense.
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Have skated one and I think I have still one in reserve.
If I find some time I can make some side by side photos of it with a Real/Krooked TT.
Fuller and Slightly longer tails.
Skated well, but I remember missing the slick in the first session.^^
First sessions on a krooked were a bit weird after skating that deck for a long time. Felt heavy as fuck.
I remember liking the owlien more once it started razor tailing a bit.
Some said theirs did not feel totally symmetric.
I did not feel/see any difference. But I am not to sensitive.
Liked it more for noseslides, nollie/switch heels and stuff like that, but that could have totally been imagination.
Did not feel too much of diff in regards of the wheel base but I skated it with forged and before/after i skated with cast plates.
Tried cast again after buying the forged and the flick felt instantly better on kickflips due to weight. Can't rememver if I already switched when I was still skating the owlien.
So make with that what you want.
360 flips felt different. Not worse just different. While on the dlx tt i focus more on the straigt pop down, I focused more on scooping.
On the dlx it happens from time to time, that I miss the pop on a tre and it does that strange wiggling between your legs. On the owlien I missed some by underrotating.
Take all that with a grain of salt. I skated the owlien like 2-3 Month ago.
After all i mainly skate the twin tails because of the fact that one does not have to check the direction of the board and I can skate them for ages because of that as well. So I skate them because of the shape and not because of the shape if that does make any sense.
No….no that didn’t make any sense….at all
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I messaged @PrettyRicki about that one and he said the wheelbase is actually 14.375 instead of 14.25.
A friend of mine recently got it and also confirmed that the wheelbase is longer. Sucks
Tails are about 6.875"
Edit: In the last nine club, crob finally said that his twin deck is out now, but there's still nothing on the crail website about it
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I messaged @PrettyRicki about that one and he said the wheelbase is actually 14.375 instead of 14.25.
A friend of mine recently got it and also confirmed that the wheelbase is longer. Sucks
Tails are about 6.875"
Edit: In the last nine club, crob finally said that his twin deck is out now, but there's still nothing on the crail website about it
With the board length + long wheelbase + long kicks, it sounds meh 🤢
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Has anyone skated the McCoy TT? How was it? I have one but haven't set it up yet.
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I messaged @PrettyRicki about that one and he said the wheelbase is actually 14.375 instead of 14.25.
A friend of mine recently got it and also confirmed that the wheelbase is longer. Sucks
Tails are about 6.875"
Edit: In the last nine club, crob finally said that his twin deck is out now, but there's still nothing on the crail website about it
Weird that AWS couldn't even get their own dimensions correct.
Re the CRob twins, I thought they were out, but had sold out very quickly...
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/chocolate-chris-roberts-twin-chunk-black-red-8-25-skateboard-deck
Here are some in various places though that still show as in stock:
Australia
https://precinctskateshop.com.au/product/chris-roberts-twin-chunk-deck-black/
Canada
https://thinkempire.com/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-8-25-8-5-skateboard-deck-2021
Thailand (NOT Malaysia)
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I messaged @PrettyRicki about that one and he said the wheelbase is actually 14.375 instead of 14.25.
A friend of mine recently got it and also confirmed that the wheelbase is longer. Sucks
Tails are about 6.875"
Edit: In the last nine club, crob finally said that his twin deck is out now, but there's still nothing on the crail website about it
Weird that AWS couldn't even get their own dimensions correct.
It's pstix, so no suprise there; if it weren't for the long WB and kicks I'd call bullshit on the deck length too..
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Think you'll adjust quicker than you imagine - it's harder to adjust back to a normal deck with nose and tail once u get used to skating at TT IMO.
I had a huge problem going back. I had 2 Ishod TT and then bought a FA Sage board. I literally found the Ishod butterfly deck 1 week later and set it up. I just felt so weird and uncomfortable.
Adjusting to a TT is far easier than going back to a regular board; it feels so foreign.
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I messaged @PrettyRicki about that one and he said the wheelbase is actually 14.375 instead of 14.25.
A friend of mine recently got it and also confirmed that the wheelbase is longer. Sucks
Tails are about 6.875"
Edit: In the last nine club, crob finally said that his twin deck is out now, but there's still nothing on the crail website about it
Weird that AWS couldn't even get their own dimensions correct.
Re the CRob twins, I thought they were out, but had sold out very quickly...
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/chocolate-chris-roberts-twin-chunk-black-red-8-25-skateboard-deck
Here are some in various places though that still show as in stock:
Australia
https://precinctskateshop.com.au/product/chris-roberts-twin-chunk-deck-black/
Canada
https://thinkempire.com/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-8-25-8-5-skateboard-deck-2021
Malaysia
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
That last link aint my country thats thailand, that being said i probably get it because of the 14 wb and the shape is G069 lolz..
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Malaysia
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
That last link aint my country thats thailand, that being said i probably get it because of the 14 wb and the shape is G069 lolz..
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Yeah it is a good shape name too!
I think there are a lot more out there as well, but I guess they sold quickly.
Some shops will still show the product with "SOLD OUT" but others will not show any listings unless they have them in stock.
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http://www.blastskates.com/ben-koppl.html
I guess this might count as a TT?
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Crob twin starting to show up in Europe
https://no-comply.de/products/chocolate-skateboards-chris-roberts-twin-chunk-deck-8-5
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Did anyone ever pick up the AWS Owlien Twin?
I messaged @PrettyRicki about that one and he said the wheelbase is actually 14.375 instead of 14.25.
A friend of mine recently got it and also confirmed that the wheelbase is longer. Sucks
Tails are about 6.875"
Edit: In the last nine club, crob finally said that his twin deck is out now, but there's still nothing on the crail website about it
Weird that AWS couldn't even get their own dimensions correct.
Re the CRob twins, I thought they were out, but had sold out very quickly...
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/chocolate-chris-roberts-twin-chunk-black-red-8-25-skateboard-deck
Here are some in various places though that still show as in stock:
Australia
https://precinctskateshop.com.au/product/chris-roberts-twin-chunk-deck-black/
Canada
https://thinkempire.com/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-8-25-8-5-skateboard-deck-2021
Malaysia
https://www.preduce.com/collections/all/products/chocolate-roberts-twin-chunk-black-skateboard-deck-8-25
That last link aint my country thats thailand, that being said i probably get it because of the 14 wb and the shape is G069 lolz..
which part of M'sia are you from?
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I thought AWS is BBS?
I Dm’ed Suciu who rides it almost exclusively now and he said they’re making it with other graphics and he finds it the perfect shape. He didn’t know the wheelbase was different. Also said it’s less square than their other decks.
I’m curious to try it.
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I thought AWS is BBS?
I Dm’ed Suciu who rides it almost exclusively now and he said they’re making it with other graphics and he finds it the perfect shape. He didn’t know the wheelbase was different. Also said it’s less square than their other decks.
I’m curious to try it.
As far as I know, they are BBS and have been for a while, even though a few boards at the height of the pandemic were not.
They had been on PS Stix before for a long time though.
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Crob twin now in the UK
https://www.crailstore.co.uk/product/chocolate-deck-twin-chunk-black-chris-roberts-8-25/
Ordered mine today, yay
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Anyone try the 8.175 Alien? Yaje said it was twin tail when it was his pro model
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Anyone try the 8.175 Alien? Yaje said it was twin tail when it was his pro model
It was this one:
https://www.paradeworld.com/uk/products/alien-workshop-yaje-burial-deck-8175-69-4611143041155/
I thought I had seen one here, maybe in the setup thread, but cannot find it.
The info I have on that one is pretty slim, which has been out of stock for a while now.
Product code: aw100 Item has been discontinued
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/yaje-popson-x-burial
(So old the page does not exist any more)
ALIEN WORKSHOP
X Burial Yaje Popson Skateboard Deck 8.175''
The only current 8.175 board in stock that comes up on any searches shows it is not a twin.
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Got a Crob twin tail, 8.5, mellow concave and kicks seem quite steep. Wheelbase is 14". Really enjoyed skating it tonight, prefer it to the Worrest twin tail I had before.
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Got a Crob twin tail, 8.5, mellow concave and kicks seem quite steep. Wheelbase is 14". Really enjoyed skating it tonight, prefer it to the Worrest twin tail I had before.
Finally got it too. All the measurements are on point, both sides are the same on 8.5 and 8.25.
That's my first ever crail deck, shape seems great and I'm hoping the wood doesn't suck.
(https://i.ibb.co/GThXkcp/a1addc3c-a31e-4573-bbd2-28a5a233abeb.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GThXkcp)
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Upcoming Worrest TT graphics
(https://i.ibb.co/MkrnbLV/0-EEB3-C63-1-E67-4-A10-8-F4-E-1-C0-E6-E9-D92-BA.png) (https://ibb.co/MkrnbLV)
Just got this one in the mail yesterday I am super excited about it
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Got a Crob twin tail, 8.5, mellow concave and kicks seem quite steep. Wheelbase is 14". Really enjoyed skating it tonight, prefer it to the Worrest twin tail I had before.
Wide board short wheelbase gang would probably love this
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is the entire globe getting the Crob deck before the US?
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is the entire globe getting the Crob deck before the US?
Made overseas easier to ship overseas...
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Made overseas easier to ship overseas...
I actually think the Crob twins are P.S. Stix made.
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Made overseas easier to ship overseas...
Don't think so since Paul Schmitt made some negative remarks about the deck on the nine club about it not really being symmetrical or something
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is the entire globe getting the Crob deck before the US?
Made overseas easier to ship overseas...
Don't think so since Paul Schmitt made some negative remarks about the deck on the nine club about it not really being symmetrical or something
The tops have the same laser etching as other Crailtap wood, definitely not PS Stix, just looking at close up pics.
Girl used PS Stix for a few select boards but that run is done, I think.
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Made overseas easier to ship overseas...
Don't think so since Paul Schmitt made some negative remarks about the deck on the nine club about it not really being symmetrical or something
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is the entire globe getting the Crob deck before the US?
Made overseas easier to ship overseas...
Don't think so since Paul Schmitt made some negative remarks about the deck on the nine club about it not really being symmetrical or something
The tops have the same laser etching as other Crailtap wood, definitely not PS Stix, just looking at close up pics.
Girl used PS Stix for a few select boards but that run is done, I think.
Re-issues.
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I have a better flick riding my boards backwards and I assume it has to do with the concave being flatter on the tailside. I figured out a twin tail could work for me. Are there any flat/shallow concave twin tails/twin noses out there?
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The Neen is the flattest one as far as I know, flatter than the DLX (Ishod/Worrest) and Crob at least.
Speaking of Paul Schmitt, he just did a twin board for Dylan Jaeb (no idea if it's for a yet unannounced future board sponsor or just getting himself a bunch of blanks).
8.25 x 31.75, 13.75” WB, 6.875” nose/tail, that's quite short!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUO69RFLwZe/
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The Neen is the flattest one as far as I know, flatter than the DLX (Ishod/Worrest) and Crob at least.
Speaking of Paul Schmitt, he just did a twin board for Dylan Jaeb (no idea if it's for a yet unannounced future board sponsor or just getting himself a bunch of blanks).
8.25 x 31.75, 13.75” WB, 6.875” nose/tail, that's quite short!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUO69RFLwZe/
The Neen is very flat (and short @31.5")
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Cheers guys.
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I’m gonna pull the trigger on one. Should I just go for a Real one first? Seems to be the way to go.
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I’m gonna pull the trigger on one. Should I just go for a Real one first? Seems to be the way to go.
They are good wood.
Whatever is available in the right size really, eg Real ishod (all sizes) / Krooked Worrest (8.3), Deathwish Neen (8.25), Chocolate Crob (8.25), and some others seem to be readily available right now.
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My chocolate Crob G069 8.25 twin tail arrived this morning.
Really like the look of it, very mellow in typical crail style. About 2-2.5 fingers of flat after the bolts.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qRSDNVLt/crob-twin.jpg)
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My wife just ordered the last Neen 8.5 twin nose available in Switzerland as a birthday gift for me. I‘m stoked.
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https://youtu.be/Y83UhbeU2hI
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Hmmmmm too bad it’s from NHS, can’t deal with their wood
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Hmmmmm too bad it’s from NHS, can’t deal with their wood
Polar opposite, love their wood, so crispy! It's the current round of shapes I don't vibe with (they stopped making my two favorite shapes). Everything else other than DSM feels waterlogged and dead after riding NHS boards.
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Hmmmmm too bad it’s from NHS, can’t deal with their wood
Polar opposite, love their wood, so crispy! It's the current round of shapes I don't vibe with (they stopped making my two favorite shapes). Everything else other than DSM feels waterlogged and dead after riding NHS boards.
Maybe I’ll grab one soon it’s been awhile
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I wonder how steep those kicks are
If they’re using the same molds as the rest of the line, pretty steep by slaps standards.
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If they’re using the same molds as the rest of the line, pretty steep by slaps standards.
Well, looks like I may blindly swoop one up or wait to see it in a shop
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Really in love with the twin tails. Started on a bobby slick from krooked, on the ishod beamer one now, just scooped another Bobby slick. Anyone know how to resize these pics properly after hosting on ibb?
(https://i.ibb.co/DDnV0fz/PXL-20210929-151901607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDnV0fz)
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is there a twin tail 8.125 with a 14" wheelbase in existence?
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Really in love with the twin tails. Started on a bobby slick from krooked, on the ishod beamer one now, just scooped another Bobby slick. Anyone know how to resize these pics properly after hosting on ibb?
(https://i.ibb.co/DDnV0fz/PXL-20210929-151901607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDnV0fz)
I absolutely agree, I love this shape. Out of boredom I tried the 8" trucks with extra washers like Ishod does and its even better(for me). I use Imgur so I'm no help there
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Crob said his twin tail is 'a week or two' out from release on the Nine Club Experience this week
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Really in love with the twin tails. Started on a bobby slick from krooked, on the ishod beamer one now, just scooped another Bobby slick. Anyone know how to resize these pics properly after hosting on ibb?
(https://i.ibb.co/DDnV0fz/PXL-20210929-151901607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDnV0fz)
I use indy 144s (8.25) on these so i get a little magic carpet. I would be interested to try the 8" trucks, But I cant bring myself to buy something I wont really use on another setup if I end up not liking them.
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Really in love with the twin tails. Started on a bobby slick from krooked, on the ishod beamer one now, just scooped another Bobby slick. Anyone know how to resize these pics properly after hosting on ibb?
(https://i.ibb.co/DDnV0fz/PXL-20210929-151901607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDnV0fz)
I use indy 144s (8.25) on these so i get a little magic carpet. I would be interested to try the 8" trucks, But I cant bring myself to buy something I wont really use on another setup if I end up not liking them.
Ya I don't know if it would be worth the extra purchase. I had 148 Thunders and it was good, but I really enjoy Ventures. I already had them in 5.2 so I tried, and it worked out. I love the graphic on your new one, enjoy it man
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Ya I don't know if it would be worth the extra purchase. I had 148 Thunders and it was good, but I really enjoy Ventures. I already had them in 5.2 so I tried, and it worked out. I love the graphic on your new one, enjoy it man
Me too man, me too.
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The new Ishod Coogi sweaters graphics go off
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The new Ishod Coogi sweaters graphics go off
Where did you see this?
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First seen in DLX's Stock Report which are always worth a watch for Frank Gerwer's entertainment value alone.
I'll skip this one personally, not to my tastes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUYFrgelxd7/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl9gU1U0518
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Really in love with the twin tails. Started on a bobby slick from krooked, on the ishod beamer one now, just scooped another Bobby slick. Anyone know how to resize these pics properly after hosting on ibb?
(https://i.ibb.co/DDnV0fz/PXL-20210929-151901607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDnV0fz)
If you upload a photo to imgbb, you can choose different embed options. For this forum, I think the best code is the "fullview link" or something like that. You choose the option BB codes and it is the first there. I re-uploaded your photo there, to show you.
(https://i.ibb.co/4s74JXq/PXL-20210929-151901607.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xmDz3Bk)
I set the img width in the first bracket to 400.
Hope all that made sense, English isn't my first language.
That deck looks hella sick with that graphic. How long are the nose and tail there? And is it a true 14.4 wb?
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I'll skip this one personally, not to my tastes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUYFrgelxd7/
Looks like left over T-Funk DC colorway graphics....
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I'll skip this one personally, not to my tastes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUYFrgelxd7/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl9gU1U0518
Awesome... I like it much better than the car-graphics. Really wish they'd make a TT with just "Real" in that metal font written on it. Like Ishod rode in the BE FREE-vid... Would stock up on that.
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
Only the 8.3 are slicks, the other sizes are not.
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
What don’t you like about the slicks?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CUiOO1jJG8N/?utm_medium=copy_link
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
What don’t you like about the slicks?
Too slick at first. I'm used to the slide of regular boards.
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
What don’t you like about the slicks?
Too slick at first. I'm used to the slide of regular boards.
Man, I’m never going back, I’ve never had one, I love being able to do no effort tailslides
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
What don’t you like about the slicks?
Too slick at first. I'm used to the slide of regular boards.
Man, I’m never going back, I’ve never had one, I love being able to do no effort tailslides
Just setup my on hand slick the other day, went to the spot, went in for some warm up tail slides (with the same effort for regs deck), forgot I was on slick and woooooooooooooooooooosh, ate shit straight away, wasn't ready for the slide =D
Would be nice if they threw in some 8.25 slicks now and again, super curious how they settled on 8.3s being the only slicks (unless that really is what ishod and bobby only skate).
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There's also this Worrest Somebody graphic.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/worrest-somebody-838-twintail-slick-skateboard-deck
Are all the Deluxe twin tails slicks? I'm not too crazy about slicks. I wish they would make some regular ones.
What don’t you like about the slicks?
Too slick at first. I'm used to the slide of regular boards.
Man, I’m never going back, I’ve never had one, I love being able to do no effort tailslides
Just setup my on hand slick the other day, went to the spot, went in for some warm up tail slides (with the same effort for regs deck), forgot I was on slick and woooooooooooooooooooosh, ate shit straight away, wasn't ready for the slide =D
Would be nice if they threw in some 8.25 slicks now and again, super curious how they settled on 8.3s being the only slicks (unless that really is what ishod and bobby only skate).
It was Ishod's request, hence always having it on the size he skates, they only have one to manufacture. He says he prefers slicks as it provides a more consistent slide across whatever the surface, less bad surprises.
I think Worrest only tried it later, after it was created for Ishod and liked it too and adopted it so they just need to press more of the same, just screen the two graphics.
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Real has had 8.25 slicks, but they are regular shapes, not twin kicks, most recently in the Real ovals series a drop or two ago, the blue one I think, but when I went looking I couldn't find it.
Was the Deathwish 8.25 twin a bit more comfortable than the DLX twin?
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Real has had 8.25 slicks, but they are regular shapes, not twin kicks, most recently in the Real ovals series a drop or two ago, the blue one I think, but when I went looking I couldn't find it.
Was the Deathwish 8.25 twin a bit more comfortable than the DLX twin?
I've not ridden the DLX 8.25TT, only a handful of the 8.3s and if the DW twin came in an 8.3x, I would ride it over the DLX TT without a doubt; the Neen twin is just a hair too short for me but the shape, imo, is superior (which I think it due to it being less 'full' at the kicks and the shorter WB).
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Any TT with 14wb
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Any TT with 14wb
The Crob has a 14" wheelbase for both widths.
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The Ishod slick is defo not worth the extra cost and makes the deck way heavier too...
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Refer back to that list, maybe add a couple like that DW Neen 8.25 and the CRob 8.25 / 8.5 but still not many (if any others besides CRob) with shorter wheelbases.
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In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'm going to post a list of all of the different shapes in my symmetrical collection. If anyone is curious about my experience with them or would like pictures of concaves/overhead shots, let me know.
Alien Workshop Owlien Twin 8.375"
Creature John Gardner Ghosts 8.84"
Creature Live Evil Reanimator 8.2"
Deathwish Neen Williams Extended Trip/Spew 3/Controlled Chaos 8.125"
Deathwish Neen Williams Slayer 8.5"
Flip Team Smiley Pink Twintail 8.25"
Heroin Symmetrical Egg 9.0"
Imperfects Eggball 8.75"
Krooked Bobby Worrest Destroyer/Archur/Liberty 8.3" (same as Real 8.3" below)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.0"
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch/Customs 8.25"
Real Ishod Wair Monarch/Customs 8.3" (same as Krooked 8.3" above)
Real Ishod Wair Cat Scratch/Monarch 8.5"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Afterglow 8.25"
Santa Cruz Maurio McCoy Transcend VX 8.25"
If there are any different shape symmetrical boards on the market that aren't on this list, please let me know. Thanks homies.
Who had the steeper kicks?
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Who had the steeper kicks?
I would be inclined to say between the mainly three woodshops all those boards come from, the Santa Cruz / Creature boards would have the steepest (Dwindle), then middle of the road being all the BBS wood boards - Real, Krooked, Deathwish, Heroin and Alien Workshop, then depending on whether that Flip board was PS Stix (mellow) or Clutch (medium / mellow) but I don't know where Imperfects are made.
EDIT: Looked up Imperfects, so I guess they might be up there, but I thought Watson wood was mellow too.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100279.msg3606769#msg3606769
https://www.imperfects.co/collections/skate
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The above post is spot on.
That said, in one of the recent and shittier BATB12 matches, one of the dudes is skating the AWS Owlien Twin and just looking at it in the video it looked steep AF to me.
EDIT: This one: https://youtu.be/P4CflPS6YwQ
Timestamped:
https://youtu.be/P4CflPS6YwQ?t=122
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Yeah totally.
Also interesting it doesn't seem like the kicks are the same either, but it could just be my eye... or the angle of the pic.
I just happened to pause it right on that frame, so took a screen of it.
(https://i.ibb.co/4FcBPd6/Owlien-twin-side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN6vpZz)
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Has anyone skated an Ishod 8.0 or 8.25 twin tail and a deck with a 14.38 wb? They’re supposed to be a 14.3 and 14.33 wb so I was wondering if there was actually a noticeable difference.
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Has anyone skated an Ishod 8.0 or 8.25 twin tail and a deck with a 14.38 wb? They’re supposed to be a 14.3 and 14.33 wb so I was wondering if there was actually a noticeable difference.
I have skated both of those and disliked them compared to the 8.38 (which I love) I'm probably biased on the size because 8.3 is my favorite width of any deck. However imo there is no comparison between a normal 8.3 and a TT 8.3 The wheelbase doesn't mean much with these, because the measurements/shapes are so odd to begin with. Look at the two top pros that skate the TT they both prefer to skate wide wb trucks on their TT setup.
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Is this a twin tail? This site lists it as one: https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/product_detail.cfm?CatID=145&PID=62082&SKU=169989&LinkID=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI97vdjofE8wIVdz2tBh1u3wsiEAQYAiABEgI-uvD_BwE
But this one has different nose and tail measurements for it: https://socalskateshop.com/Deathwish-Neen-Williams-The-Beast-Within-Skateboard-Deck-825x31875.html#!?cc_decks=120364&c=cc_grip-tape
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SoCal isn’t the best when it comes to dims.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Neen_The_Beast_Within_Deck/descpage-SCDNBW82DK.html?from=gshop
Listed as a twin tail; email them and ask!
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https://www.tactics.com/chocolate/roberts-twin-chunk-85-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/orange
8.25s in both colors too
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https://www.tactics.com/chocolate/roberts-twin-chunk-85-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/orange
8.25s in both colors too
I hope they downsize this to an 8.0 with everything else staying the same in the future. I did buy the 8.25 though to give it a shot.
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Yeah totally.
Also interesting it doesn't seem like the kicks are the same either, but it could just be my eye... or the angle of the pic.
I just happened to pause it right on that frame, so took a screen of it.
(https://i.ibb.co/4FcBPd6/Owlien-twin-side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN6vpZz)
Behind on the convo but I was just going to say the AWS TT is the steepest I've ridden so far. Haven't tried Neen's shape yet but the Owlien really does feel like 2 noses while DLX's feels like 2 tails.
Compared to the DLX 8.3. TT I actually liked it a bit better. The kicks were also blunter/more boxy which I felt helped out my heel flips and made it easier to fudge through sketchy landings; more deck to stand on = less toe and heel dragging for me. Also noticably lighter, but of course not slick.
Where are the AWS TT's though? I bought that one a year ago and haven't seen one for sale anywhere in at least 6 months. I really was hoping that shape would stick around. If it was more available I'd probably switch over from DLX.
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Yeah totally.
Also interesting it doesn't seem like the kicks are the same either, but it could just be my eye... or the angle of the pic.
I just happened to pause it right on that frame, so took a screen of it.
(https://i.ibb.co/4FcBPd6/Owlien-twin-side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN6vpZz)
Behind on the convo but I was just going to say the AWS TT is the steepest I've ridden so far. Haven't tried Neen's shape yet but the Owlien really does feel like 2 noses while DLX's feels like 2 tails.
Compared to the DLX 8.3. TT I actually liked it a bit better. The kicks were also blunter/more boxy which I felt helped out my heel flips and made it easier to fudge through sketchy landings; more deck to stand on = less toe and heel dragging for me. Also noticably lighter, but of course not slick.
Where are the AWS TT's though? I bought that one a year ago and haven't seen one for sale anywhere in at least 6 months. I really was hoping that shape would stick around. If it was more available I'd probably switch over from DLX.
I officially retired my last (had a few on ice) Worrest slick TT due to bailing uber hard for the second time at the same spot (last two major bail/injuries have come from this specific deck) even tho it still has a ton of life left but fuck this particular deck (the others were fine). After the Neen, the slick (and dare I say dlx) shape and wood was just too damn clunky (even the non-slicks that I've ridden in the TT).
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PRsgUZ-MjUblK6oSrlSQ4766-SvjSnUh_EHhE6DOGMm5Mfxbje8JnTBfHfhTLIJwHVd_f8-UeOWFEcf_NreaACQcnrkfab9YJeWzngQK58EdqHuILsj2tChOy3KQ78u7qYsOhI2N71g=w2400)
So I'm looking at the Owlien for my next twin (and if the kicks are more boxy, I'm in, especially with it seeming steep; the neen is flat as fuck).
I've only ever seen them for sale at the AWS/SS website or Parade.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/owlien-twin-8-375-p-b
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/alien-workshop-deck-837-owlien-twin-131-6792375304344/ (out of stock)
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I know Aussie shops just got a solid drop of Alien Workshop and there were definitely some Owlien Twins in there, but that doesn't help you guys in the USA.
Thought I had seen some around when I did a search not too long ago, but they might have all sold and shops haven't re upped the orders.
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Been skating the Neen Deathwish 8.25 with thunders and have been enjoying it. I'm switching to Ventures though and want to pair them with shorter wheelbases (even the Neen at 14.25 is a little shorter than my usual) so I ordered one of the Chocolate Twin shapes with the 14in wheelbase to try out afterwards
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I skate the ishod TT with ventures and it’s my favorite, I love how mellow it feels and the wheelbase works for me doesn’t feel too short, maybe I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about though
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I skate the ishod TT with ventures and it’s my favorite, I love how mellow it feels and the wheelbase works for me doesn’t feel too short, maybe I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about though
Oi, which Ishod TT and which Ventures do you run? Made the switch from Venture 5.6 Hi Hollow to Indy TI 149s when switching to the 8.3 Ishod.
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I skate the ishod TT with ventures and it’s my favorite, I love how mellow it feels and the wheelbase works for me doesn’t feel too short, maybe I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about though
Oi, which Ishod TT and which Ventures do you run? Made the switch from Venture 5.6 Hi Hollow to Indy TI 149s when switching to the 8.3 Ishod.
My bad, the 8.3…and I wanna say I got 5.6s on my shit, but they may be 5.8, I don’t skate the hollows or whatever I just skate the regular polished ones
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Skatewarehouse has the Owlien Twin in stock
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Alien_Workshop_Owlien_Twin_Deck/descpage-AWOWTDK.html
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Today was the first time trying a Twin Tail Deck. It took 5mins to get used and it’s so fucking good. I already fell in love with it. I treated myself new trucks with the deck and hope there will be twin tail decks in the future, though I don’t think I will pay the 10€ extra for the 8.3 slick next time and just get the 8.25 or try another company.
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Today was the first time trying a Twin Tail Deck. It took 5mins to get used and it’s so fucking good. I already fell in love with it. I treated myself new trucks with the deck and hope there will be twin tail decks in the future, though I don’t think I will pay the 10€ extra for the 8.3 slick next time and just get the 8.25 or try another company.
Kinda feel like I’m the only dude that really likes the slick TT, oh well they work for me
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Today was the first time trying a Twin Tail Deck. It took 5mins to get used and it’s so fucking good. I already fell in love with it. I treated myself new trucks with the deck and hope there will be twin tail decks in the future, though I don’t think I will pay the 10€ extra for the 8.3 slick next time and just get the 8.25 or try another company.
Kinda feel like I’m the only dude that really likes the slick TT, oh well they work for me
I honestly didn’t feel any difference sliding, but I was at a brand new park, so maybe that had something to do with it, but all in all i loved it so far.
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Today was the first time trying a Twin Tail Deck. It took 5mins to get used and it’s so fucking good. I already fell in love with it. I treated myself new trucks with the deck and hope there will be twin tail decks in the future, though I don’t think I will pay the 10€ extra for the 8.3 slick next time and just get the 8.25 or try another company.
Kinda feel like I’m the only dude that really likes the slick TT, oh well they work for me
I honestly didn’t feel any difference sliding, but I was at a brand new park, so maybe that had something to do with it, but all in all i loved it so far.
That was the biggest difference to me, I’ve never had a slick before till this one, and it’s helps me a lot, I’m kind of a slow skater though, so anything to help me get a couple more inches out of a slide
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Today was the first time trying a Twin Tail Deck. It took 5mins to get used and it’s so fucking good. I already fell in love with it. I treated myself new trucks with the deck and hope there will be twin tail decks in the future, though I don’t think I will pay the 10€ extra for the 8.3 slick next time and just get the 8.25 or try another company.
Kinda feel like I’m the only dude that really likes the slick TT, oh well they work for me
I love the functionality of [any] slick decks, the DLX slick being no different; there is just something 'off' to me about how the DLX TT feels over all, slick or not, it feels sluggish somehow. Might be the kick length + the wheelbase?
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Today was the first time trying a Twin Tail Deck. It took 5mins to get used and it’s so fucking good. I already fell in love with it. I treated myself new trucks with the deck and hope there will be twin tail decks in the future, though I don’t think I will pay the 10€ extra for the 8.3 slick next time and just get the 8.25 or try another company.
Kinda feel like I’m the only dude that really likes the slick TT, oh well they work for me
I love the functionality of [any] slick decks, the DLX slick being no different; there is just something 'off' to me about how the DLX TT feels over all, slick or not, it feels sluggish somehow. Might be the kick length + the wheelbase?
It definitely has shorter kick length, I could see how it would make feel more slow, I’m pretty low impact, and stay away from transitions, but I’ve definitely had to adjust how I do some flip tricks
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I'm also a fan of the DLX 8.3 TT slick, size/shape/steepness is perfect to me, the wheelbase is also good to me, even with Thunders, maybe I have wide hips or something or prefer the stability it adds? Maybe the shortish kicks paired with Thunders with forged plates help keep it snappy enough? Same board with the same wheels, I prefered the pop with Thunder Hollow Lights vs with Indy Forged Titanium, weight is similar but it feels quicker, snappier with the Thunders.
The advantage of slicks depend a lot where you skate I'd say, they don't change much in perfect smooth skatepark surfaces. It's when you get on rougher stuff that it helps, crusty ledges, stickier wood, less used spots... I remember having some in the early 90's and loved being able to slide almost anything but back then it added a lot more weight and they often peeled off and delaminated quickly but now they seem to hold up well, maybe even adding a bit of durability to boards? It still adds weight but not as much as back then... and now that I'm no longer an always broke kid, I can afford light trucks so I don't mind a few extra grams due to the slick.
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
I almost ordered one over the weekend since I found a shop that had them on discount but since it's coming to winter now I figured it would be like 6 months before I would set it up and by that time there will surely be something else that I want more.
But I'm not quite sure of your review if you think it's good or bad?
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
But I'm not quite sure of your review if you think it's good or bad?
neither good or bad i guess lol. 15 years ago I worked at a skate shop and I remember Crail boards being more trim/lighter (but maybe that was just concurrent with the times then since sizes were smaller back then). i dont know, just handling it, it feels like the beefiest and fullest board I've ever felt. its also way steeper than i expected it to be.
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Odd. The last couple of girl decks (since they changed woodshops in China/laser engraved) have all been pretty standard, if not on the stiff side; but never beefy. Maybe it has to do with the twin or they changed things up.
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My Chocolate twin tail should arrive tomorrow so I'll confirm if it's beefy as well. Will be bummed if it's "thicker" than usual though.
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My Chocolate twin tail should arrive tomorrow so I'll confirm if it's beefy as well. Will be bummed if it's "thicker" than usual though.
What trucks and wheel size you putting?
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That deluxe TT 8.3 slick is my fucking grail deck. I didn't know what it was like to ride a board i didn't have a single issue with until now
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I can see what you guys are saying about the slick decks feeling kinda soggy or heavy so let me just throw out a trick that I found helps. I sand the "slick" surface layer of of the nose and tail, like a half to 3/4 inch in from the edge. Otherwise that slick layer will give you a wonky pop until you wear through it. You could also just drag your nose tail for a while on a rough surface for similar results.
I've also noticed that while the slick layer makes the boards last longer they still lose their pop around the same time any other board would. I have a tendency of breaking regular decks before they're spent though so that's a trade of I'm ok with. I've been skating mostly dlx slicks for a few years now and I've never broken a single one skating; I may have focus a couple on bad days but it wasn't easy. They hardly ever chip either and that's big to me, kinda a pet peeve of mine. I've just had a couple chip but only the top layer so it didn't really effect their skatibilty.
That durability is probably more why I'm stuck on them then their "slickness" for slides/grinds. When they start feeling soggy I usually swap them out to my slappy cruiser setup.
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Odd. The last couple of girl decks (since they changed woodshops in China/laser engraved) have all been pretty standard, if not on the stiff side; but never beefy. Maybe it has to do with the twin or they changed things up.
I agree, I have a g052 I got early last year, a kodak Jeron from 2019 and a Real 8.06 full SE. A little stiffer than old crail boards in a good way, but not as stiff as the BBS real board. I measured the thickness of the nose/tail on the real full se, g052 and crob tt and they all measure 3/8" all gripped. So the crob tt is definitely not thicker.
Only skated for a little while but to me it feels exactly like a g052, but twin tail.
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In case anyone cares, here's my experience switching to the crob 8.5 twin tail, coming from ishod 8.25 roman numeral II (which is really too steep for my taste in combination with the long wheelbase. IV is perfect).
I kept the same trucks on, polster titanium 8.5 (same as thunder tit), and I absolutely could not handle how light it felt. I had to switch from ~50mm to 55mm wheels in order for the pop to feel normal to me again. Ollies feel amazing now, like I only need half the force, especially ollieing off a bump or something like that. The shape is great, even though I'd prefer slightly smaller tails but I got used to it after two weeks and can do all my tricks except hardflips and switch tres, those just won't work out because of these super long and wide tails. Manuals feel unstable to me, but that's just me being used to a longer wheelbase I guess.
All in all I think it's a great deck, if I buy it again I'll go for the 8.25 though. But if there was a possibility for me to only get the IV version of the ishod 8.25 I'd prefer that over everything else.
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(https://i.imgur.com/jSrA6J9.jpg)
Crosspost from the set up thread. This is my first twin tail (actually it‘s a twin nose): Deathwish Neen 8.5. I love not having to bother which way to step on the board. A real game changer.
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I am curious to hear how you find the longer kicks.
Skating the nose of a board is fun for a minute and I prefer to pop shovit off the nose for no reason I can think other than I like to land the right way, but skating the longer kick full time makes me feel a bit weird.
Not to say it will not be a bonus for some - having the kicks last longer is a benefit right there for people who don't break boards and wear down the tails.
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I am curious to hear how you find the longer kicks.
Skating the nose of a board is fun for a minute and I prefer to pop shovit off the nose for no reason I can think other than I like to land the right way, but skating the longer kick full time makes me feel a bit weird.
Not to say it will not be a bonus for some - having the kicks last longer is a benefit right there for people who don't break boards and wear down the tails.
I skated my last board mostly on the nose because the concave was flatter at the tail which works better for my flick. I bought the Neen not because it is a twin nose but because it is flat. But I do like some real estate for noseslides too.
l went through my (limited) bag of tricks and there was nothing that felt too awkward but it was only a short session.
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I am curious to hear how you find the longer kicks.
Skating the nose of a board is fun for a minute and I prefer to pop shovit off the nose for no reason I can think other than I like to land the right way, but skating the longer kick full time makes me feel a bit weird.
Not to say it will not be a bonus for some - having the kicks last longer is a benefit right there for people who don't break boards and wear down the tails.
I skated my last board mostly on the nose because the concave was flatter at the tail which works better for my flick. I bought the Neen not because it is a twin nose but because it is flat. But I do like some real estate for noseslides too.
l went through my (limited) bag of tricks and there was nothing that felt too awkward but it was only a short session.
Should be a winner then!
It is nice when things just work.
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Any recommendations for a 8.35-8.38" symmetric board that has larger fuller kicks that aren't too steep? Sounds like the Neen board is the closest to what I want, although I'm not sure how steep the kicks are.
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Any recommendations for a 8.35-8.38" symmetric board that has larger fuller kicks that aren't too steep? Sounds like the Neen board is the closest to what I want, although I'm not sure how steep the kicks are.
Have you seen a Real Ishod 8.5 in person?
The one I have seems like those kicks are pretty full, but not squared off.
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Any recommendations for a 8.35-8.38" symmetric board that has larger fuller kicks that aren't too steep? Sounds like the Neen board is the closest to what I want, although I'm not sure how steep the kicks are.
Have you seen a Real Ishod 8.5 in person?
The one I have seems like those kicks are pretty full, but not squared off.
Yea I’ve had the 8.38 slick TT and it has a full nose/tail not that squared off shit, can’t really fuck with those kinda boards, my homeboy rides exclusively FA the square shape or whatever. Can’t do it, kickflips feel so weird on it, almost too quick or something, same with the other end of the spectrum the old baker boards with the pointy nose or whatever…didn’t fuck with those either
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The 8.5 Ishod TT has a very different shape compared to the 8.3/8.25/8. As Mbrimson88 said, the kicks are not square, but they're a lot fuller, the board keeps it's full width way further into the tails and then it's almost a geometrically perfect half circle.
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
Can you tell me what the wheelbase is on that? Can’t find specs anywhere online. Thank you in advance!
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
Can you tell me what the wheelbase is on that? Can’t find specs anywhere online. Thank you in advance!
Both sizes are advertised as having 14" wheelbases.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0274/4293/7933/products/001126646_3.jpg?v=1632322841)
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
Can you tell me what the wheelbase is on that? Can’t find specs anywhere online. Thank you in advance!
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0274/4293/7933/products/001126646_3.jpg?v=1632322841)
Bummer. Thanks man! Much appreciated!
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
Can you tell me what the wheelbase is on that? Can’t find specs anywhere online. Thank you in advance!
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0274/4293/7933/products/001126646_3.jpg?v=1632322841)
Bummer. Thanks man! Much appreciated!
Same. I like the current crail wood feel and twin tails, but not a 14" WB (I tried with every long WB truck combo) it's just too cramped for my stance. I'd have given it a shot at 14.25" tho.
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got the Crob 8.5 Twin Tail yesterday, haven't set it up yet since i'm on a fairly new deck right now but this thing feels fucking BEEFY. 21 years of skating i've never once looked at or skated a Crail deck and I guess i've always heard they were 'bad' but this thing feels and looks like a BBS on steroids
Can you tell me what the wheelbase is on that? Can’t find specs anywhere online. Thank you in advance!
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0274/4293/7933/products/001126646_3.jpg?v=1632322841)
Bummer. Thanks man! Much appreciated!
Same. I like the current crail wood feel and twin tails, but not a 14" WB (I tried with every long WB truck combo) it's just too cramped for my stance. I'd have given it a shot at 14.25" tho.
Same. I would give a 14.25 WB a try
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
ML's have saved many a deck that would be un-skatable for me due to long wheelbase or steep kicks. I just wish they would release a better looking truck (with cleaner casting) using the same geometry and low weight. Nice to see people being more open minded about trying different truck brands. Looking at you Royal.
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New twin tip out this time for Foy
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/foy-exorcism-failed-85-skateboard-deck
It's not marked as a twin specific, but I've seen a YouTube setup vid that confirms it
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New twin tip out this time for Foy
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/foy-exorcism-failed-85-skateboard-deck
It's not marked as a twin specific, but I've seen a YouTube setup vid that confirms it
Just checked it out on the Deathwish website, it says it’s a twin tail.
We this deck at the shop I work at and it had no sticker or anything saying it was a twintail. If I knew, I would snagged it up. Never noticed. Bummer.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
ML's have saved many a deck that would be un-skatable for me due to long wheelbase or steep kicks. I just wish they would release a better looking truck (with cleaner casting) using the same geometry and low weight. Nice to see people being more open minded about trying different truck brands. Looking at you Royal.
Having setup a pair of the new Royals today, I'm with you. If ML made a taller truck (I despise risers, but should get over myself) I'd be good; they're light enough (can always shave more) and the casting is rough but they work as is you know? Grind clearance could be better.
Anyway, that DW Foy looks sick, 6.75 nose and Tail, that's right in the middle. That 14.5" wheelbase I can't hang with tho as my kick/heel flips be 100% worse than the trash they are now.
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
ML's have saved many a deck that would be un-skatable for me due to long wheelbase or steep kicks. I just wish they would release a better looking truck (with cleaner casting) using the same geometry and low weight. Nice to see people being more open minded about trying different truck brands. Looking at you Royal.
Having setup a pair of the new Royals today, I'm with you. If ML made a taller truck (I despise risers, but should get over myself) I'd be good; they're light enough (can always shave more) and the casting is rough but they work as is you know? Grind clearance could be better.
Anyway, that DW Foy looks sick, 6.75 nose and Tail, that's right in the middle. That 14.5" wheelbase I can't hang with tho as my kick/heel flips be 100% worse than the trash they are now.
Deathwish website has the wheelbase at 14.375. I think the sticker on the deck with the dimensions said 14.5 WB. Probably why Tactics listed it like that.
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Did you use risers?
Yes, I got the fitting 1/10" mini logo risers. So that should make them something in the 51-52mm range, felt right to me.
Edit: Yes the kingpin clearance is bad. That's my only complaint so far.
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
ML's have saved many a deck that would be un-skatable for me due to long wheelbase or steep kicks. I just wish they would release a better looking truck (with cleaner casting) using the same geometry and low weight. Nice to see people being more open minded about trying different truck brands. Looking at you Royal.
Having setup a pair of the new Royals today, I'm with you. If ML made a taller truck (I despise risers, but should get over myself) I'd be good; they're light enough (can always shave more) and the casting is rough but they work as is you know? Grind clearance could be better.
Anyway, that DW Foy looks sick, 6.75 nose and Tail, that's right in the middle. That 14.5" wheelbase I can't hang with tho as my kick/heel flips be 100% worse than the trash they are now.
Deathwish website has the wheelbase at 14.375. I think the sticker on the deck with the dimensions said 14.5 WB. Probably why Tactics listed it like that.
Been skating blanks lately to save money but I broke for this one because it sounds so good. I got it from tactics for 71$ including tax
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
I had the Peaches set up with Mini Logo as well, 1/10th ML risers and 53mm Bones v5. Found this pic from Feb '19.
Shortly after, I picked up one of the slicks and put this deck on ice. It's still in good shape so maybe I'll set it back up like this. I also have an unskated second pair of the Matchcourt Highs I was wearing in this pic. I could go straight back.
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
ML's have saved many a deck that would be un-skatable for me due to long wheelbase or steep kicks. I just wish they would release a better looking truck (with cleaner casting) using the same geometry and low weight. Nice to see people being more open minded about trying different truck brands. Looking at you Royal.
Having setup a pair of the new Royals today, I'm with you. If ML made a taller truck (I despise risers, but should get over myself) I'd be good; they're light enough (can always shave more) and the casting is rough but they work as is you know? Grind clearance could be better.
Anyway, that DW Foy looks sick, 6.75 nose and Tail, that's right in the middle. That 14.5" wheelbase I can't hang with tho as my kick/heel flips be 100% worse than the trash they are now.
Deathwish website has the wheelbase at 14.375. I think the sticker on the deck with the dimensions said 14.5 WB. Probably why Tactics listed it like that.
Hmmm 14.3 WB is my shit, might have to wait for a forum user to confirm.
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New twin tip out this time for Foy
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/foy-exorcism-failed-85-skateboard-deck
It's not marked as a twin specific, but I've seen a YouTube setup vid that confirms it
Well spotted.
Seems I have more questions than answers from looking for dimensions info on the Foy, with multiple Bakerboys / Deathwish sites saying twin but different measurements...
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-exorcism-failed-deck-8-5
Custom Jamie Foy Twin Tail Shape
8.5 x 31.875
14.375 Wheelbase
Mellow concave for quicker response
https://bakerboysdist.com/collections/deathwish-skateboards/products/foy-exorcism-failed-deck-8-5
Twin Tail
8.5 x 32
14.5 Wheelbase
Classic Shape, mellow concave for quicker response
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Exorcism_Failed_Deck/descpage-DWFEF85DK.html
Width - 8.5"
Length - 32"
Wheelbase - 14.5"
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New twin tip out this time for Foy
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/foy-exorcism-failed-85-skateboard-deck
It's not marked as a twin specific, but I've seen a YouTube setup vid that confirms it
Well spotted.
Seems I have more questions than answers from looking for dimensions info on the Foy, with multiple Bakerboys / Deathwish sites saying twin but different measurements...
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-exorcism-failed-deck-8-5
Custom Jamie Foy Twin Tail Shape
8.5 x 31.875
14.375 Wheelbase
Mellow concave for quicker response
https://bakerboysdist.com/collections/deathwish-skateboards/products/foy-exorcism-failed-deck-8-5
Twin Tail
8.5 x 32
14.5 Wheelbase
Classic Shape, mellow concave for quicker response
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Exorcism_Failed_Deck/descpage-DWFEF85DK.html
Width - 8.5"
Length - 32"
Wheelbase - 14.5"
You honestly can't trust anyone's measurements these days. You'd think the popular board brands would have accurate measurements...PS I can work around/with now (length is alway shorter than listed, e.g., quasi, AWS, etc....BBS mixed bag these days, especially with DLX, even polar)...what's funny is all the China brands that people shit on, they are always [usually, lookin at you SC and your TT McCoys that aren't twins) on point: crail/NHS/Dwindle. If they say they've got a 14.18 WB, you can count on it.
Regardless, 14.5" is a killer for me, not sure how Foy would ride that with thunders, he seems short. BBDist boards at 8.3/8.5 that are not 14.25 are always 14.5x32, I've never seen or owned one that was 14.3x.
If the 8.5 x 31.875 - 14.375 Wheelbase dims were true, I'd be willing to give it a shot for sure.
This guy covers twin decks very often. Not in-depth to the level Slap expects, and I don't personally find them overly useful as he doesn't verify measurements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7vX4Od6NE
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New twin tip out this time for Foy
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/foy-exorcism-failed-85-skateboard-deck
It's not marked as a twin specific, but I've seen a YouTube setup vid that confirms it
Well spotted.
Seems I have more questions than answers from looking for dimensions info on the Foy, with multiple Bakerboys / Deathwish sites saying twin but different measurements...
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-exorcism-failed-deck-8-5
Custom Jamie Foy Twin Tail Shape
8.5 x 31.875
14.375 Wheelbase
Mellow concave for quicker response
https://bakerboysdist.com/collections/deathwish-skateboards/products/foy-exorcism-failed-deck-8-5
Twin Tail
8.5 x 32
14.5 Wheelbase
Classic Shape, mellow concave for quicker response
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Exorcism_Failed_Deck/descpage-DWFEF85DK.html
Width - 8.5"
Length - 32"
Wheelbase - 14.5"
You honestly can't trust anyone's measurements these days. You'd think the popular board brands would have accurate measurements...PS I can work around/with now (length is alway shorter than listed, e.g., quasi, AWS, etc....BBS mixed bag these days, especially with DLX, even polar)...what's funny is all the China brands that people shit on, they are always [usually, lookin at you SC and your TT McCoys that aren't twins) on point: crail/NHS/Dwindle. If they say they've got a 14.18 WB, you can count on it.
Regardless, 14.5" is a killer for me, not sure how Foy would ride that with thunders, he seems short. BBDist boards at 8.3/8.5 that are not 14.25 are always 14.5x32, I've never seen or owned one that was 14.3x.
If the 8.5 x 31.875 - 14.375 Wheelbase dims were true, I'd be willing to give it a shot for sure.
This guy covers twin decks very often. Not in-depth to the level Slap expects, and I don't personally find them overly useful as he doesn't verify measurements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7vX4Od6NE
Jamie had a custom shape with a shorter WB (they sold them on skatewarehouse for a bit)
He talks about the twin a little here at around 25:00 -- mentions that he has a 8.5x31.75x14.25 on his old custom shape, so having a 14.375 twin isn't out of the realm of possibility. he also mentions wanting longer kicks which would explain why the twin tail shape is 32" in length.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY8zmQuzIfE&t=5405s
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I am loving my Neen 8.5 twin nose but I see they don‘t make them at the moment. Is there anything comparable on the market, i.e. 8.5 wide, flat concave and a bit of real estate on those kicks?
Thanks in advance, I start getting deck anxiety already ;D
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Crob’s 8.5?
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Skating the SC 8.25 x 81.83 because according to Andrew cannon it’s a twin tail.
Upset it’s a twin because of the nose and tail length. Sadly, I can tell by the kicks and the pockets which end is which.
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Skating the SC 8.25 x 81.83 because according to Andrew cannon it’s a twin tail.
Upset it’s a twin because of the nose and tail length. Sadly, I can tell by the kicks and the pockets which end is which.
Yeah. They keep saying it's a twin (the McCoy shape) but it isn't. There is a tail and nose as they are different lengths and shapes.
Habitat's Apex Bold Twin 8.375" Can't imagine it being different than the AWS Owlien
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/apex-bold-8-25
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Skating the SC 8.25 x 81.83 because according to Andrew cannon it’s a twin tail.
Upset it’s a twin because of the nose and tail length. Sadly, I can tell by the kicks and the pockets which end is which.
Yeah. They keep saying it's a twin (the McCoy shape) but it isn't. There is a tail and nose as they are different lengths and shapes.
Habitat's Apex Bold Twin 8.375" Can't imagine it being different than the AWS Owlien
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/apex-bold-8-25
I think Professor Schmitt talks about these boards being pressed in the same molds and stuff as regular boards so they’re never true symmetrical boards.
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Crob’s 8.5?
Thanks. How flat is it compared to the Neen? I might have to order one while they‘re still out there, even if I hate the graphic. I‘ve never liked the Chocolate/Girl aesthetic.
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Thanks. How flat is it compared to the Neen? I might have to order one while they‘re still out there, even if I hate the graphic. I‘ve never liked the Chocolate/Girl aesthetic.
I've never had the Neen deck but I wouldn't call the Crob twin flat at all. More of an average, medium steepness.
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Thanks. How flat is it compared to the Neen? I might have to order one while they‘re still out there, even if I hate the graphic. I‘ve never liked the Chocolate/Girl aesthetic.
I've never had the Neen deck but I wouldn't call the Crob twin flat at all. More of an average, medium steepness.
I feel like the ends are fairly steep but the sides are fairly flat. took me a bit to get used to but I'm feeling the 8.25 CRob Twin. May try to stick with them for a while if I can find them consistently
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Thanks. How flat is it compared to the Neen? I might have to order one while they‘re still out there, even if I hate the graphic. I‘ve never liked the Chocolate/Girl aesthetic.
Haven't ridden (and won't) as the WB is too short for me.
Youtuber guy who checked out the new Foy twin said the WB is 14.5" not sure I trust is credibility based off his vids, but it's something..
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Thanks brehs I meant the concave not the kicks, my flick is better on flat concaves.
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So the Foy is a twin as well? That would be an 8.5 as well… plus it‘s available round here, same as the CRob.
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I just found a site that had three Neen 8.5 left, ordered them all so I am set for a while. 8)
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Thanks. How flat is it compared to the Neen? I might have to order one while they‘re still out there, even if I hate the graphic. I‘ve never liked the Chocolate/Girl aesthetic.
Haven't ridden (and won't) as the WB is too short for me.
Youtuber guy who checked out the new Foy twin said the WB is 14.5" not sure I trust is credibility based off his vids, but it's something..
I ordered mine and could confirm for you soon. It should be delivered the 10th.
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Thanks. How flat is it compared to the Neen? I might have to order one while they‘re still out there, even if I hate the graphic. I‘ve never liked the Chocolate/Girl aesthetic.
Haven't ridden (and won't) as the WB is too short for me.
Youtuber guy who checked out the new Foy twin said the WB is 14.5" not sure I trust is credibility based off his vids, but it's something..
I ordered mine and could confirm for you soon. It should be delivered the 10th.
Great, although it now looks like I will be riding Neens for the forseeable future. ;D
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I just found a site that had three Neen 8.5 left, ordered them all so I am set for a while. 8)
Yeah!
At least you have boards.
So many people have wanted to order more of whatever they liked, but couldn't get hold of any, especially in limited shapes like that one.
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Welcome has a 8.5 TT now. 31.95 14.25 wb
Tails are definitely full.
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Welcome has a 8.5 TT now. 31.95 14.25 wb
Tails are definitely full.
Got to say, that's not bad looking. If that's interesting to you, I'd snap them up fast. The one time Welcome did a popsicle was ages ago and seemingly sold out as soon as it hit shelves.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1449/5224/products/HO21-Boards-Web-EvilTwin2_1800x1800.jpg?v=1636411298)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1449/5224/products/HO21-Boards-Web10_1800x1800.jpg)
I'd be down for a 8.375x31.875x14.3" that is more hybrid than the DLX TT.
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Welcome has a 8.5 TT now. 31.95 14.25 wb
Tails are definitely full.
Got to say, that's not bad looking. If that's interesting to you, I'd snap them up fast. The one time Welcome did a popsicle was ages ago and seemingly sold out as soon as it hit shelves.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1449/5224/products/HO21-Boards-Web10_1800x1800.jpg)
I'd be down for a 8.375x31.875x14.3" that is more hybrid than the DLX TT.
Yessir It does look good. Hopefully it meets the needs of someone on here. The only twintail for me personally is the 8.3 slick.
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If it's like Welcome boards I have seen, it should be on the mellow side compared to a DLX, probably PS Stix made.
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If it's like Welcome boards I have seen, it should be on the mellow side compared to a DLX, probably PS Stix made.
Welcome changed over to BBS not too long ago.
I can also see the BBS hologram sticker over the bottom / back bolts too.
A couple of Welcome BBS boards I saw were definitely good - nice and mellow - so they have kept the similar feel, with the same shapes, dimensions, etc as when they were on PS Stix.
I still have a few of the older PS Stix Welcome boards and they hold up really well, so maybe it is the more recent PS Stix wood that people are not so happy with, compared to the older stuff, that seems to last forever.
Definitely curious to see how many of those come out and where.
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Just want to say the crob twin is probably the best deck I've skated in a long time. Stocked up on a few backups as they seem to be sold out at alot of places already.
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Had the first long session on my new mini logo trucks today and they really are what I've been looking for in the last year or so.
Mini Logo 8.38 + Ishod 8.25 twin tail with roman numeral II
I could not handle the long WB+steepness with thunders or ace, but the ML make it great.
The "IV" with thunder tit 148 is still my favorite setup, but now I finally don't have to care anymore which number I'm getting.
Big recommendation.
I bought 3 pairs of trucks just for this damn deck and the search is now over.
Ace AF1 44 were way too heavy for me to even feel the shortened wheelbase.
Polster 8.5 titaniums are super light, but extend the wheelbase too much. Those go perfectly on the Crob Twin though.
I rode the 8.38 ML on my first Ishod TT (the peaches one), and I agree excellent combo.
Did you use risers?
ML's have saved many a deck that would be un-skatable for me due to long wheelbase or steep kicks. I just wish they would release a better looking truck (with cleaner casting) using the same geometry and low weight. Nice to see people being more open minded about trying different truck brands. Looking at you Royal.
Having setup a pair of the new Royals today, I'm with you. If ML made a taller truck (I despise risers, but should get over myself) I'd be good; they're light enough (can always shave more) and the casting is rough but they work as is you know? Grind clearance could be better.
Anyway, that DW Foy looks sick, 6.75 nose and Tail, that's right in the middle. That 14.5" wheelbase I can't hang with tho as my kick/heel flips be 100% worse than the trash they are now.
Deathwish website has the wheelbase at 14.375. I think the sticker on the deck with the dimensions said 14.5 WB. Probably why Tactics listed it like that.
Hmmm 14.3 WB is my shit, might have to wait for a forum user to confirm.
I have one. I did a rough measurement when I got it (skating it currently). Compared to both the dw85 (8.5x32 14.5wb) and the foy85 (8.5x31.75 14.25wb), it’s right in the middle. Barely longer than the Foy85 (my favorite shape), but shorter than the DW85. Wheelbase is also in between the two, so I’d say the 14.375wb is accurate.
The size stickers Deathwish puts on their boards are routinely incorrect. Both the Foy twin and the Foy85s I’ve gotten have had the DW85 dimensions sticker on them. You can’t trust that sticker at all.
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I just found a site that had three Neen 8.5 left, ordered them all so I am set for a while. 8)
Yeah!
At least you have boards.
So many people have wanted to order more of whatever they liked, but couldn't get hold of any, especially in limited shapes like that one.
Thanks bro. Here they are. Stoked I got three different top plys.
(https://i.imgur.com/83nTu0f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oM383v2.jpg)
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The 8.5 exorcism board is 14.375 wheelbase.
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The 8.5 exorcism board is 14.375 wheelbase.
Ch'Ching.
Is it 32" long or 31.875 as noted around the web?
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The 8.5 exorcism board is 14.375 wheelbase.
Ch'Ching.
Is it 32" long or 31.875 as noted around the web?
31.875
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I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
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The 8.5 exorcism board is 14.375 wheelbase.
Ch'Ching.
Is it 32" long or 31.875 as noted around the web?
31.875
Sweet perfection. Just ordered one.
Thanks for the legwork!
@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
The Foy, Neen, AWS Owlien twin (and the habitat) are more nose than tail; it's really only the DLX that's a true Twin Tail these days (no idea about the welcome) - that one looks more hybrid to me.
I like being able to krook either way (it's easier off the nose).
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I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
I would measure the length of the kicks (especially the nose) on whatever boards you have liked, as many standard boards are closer to a 6.8 to 7" nose with a 6.5" tail.
Twin tails are just that, often two tails, at 6.5 to 6.6" for many around the 8" size. Twin noses are a bit longer, but there are not many, if any at all, in only 8" wide.
You could just ride normal boards that have a sideways graphic, eg Baker logo or Antihero eagle as two fairly recognisable graphics so it wouldn't be obvious you are riding the nose of the board.
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This pic is big enough to show the specs on those stickers.
Ishod twin in 8.0 is only 6.55 in kick length, which is pretty much a normal tail by any other board.
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2021/15-rs-sm21-cat-ishodtt.jpg)
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I just found a site that had three Neen 8.5 left, ordered them all so I am set for a while. 8)
Yeah!
At least you have boards.
So many people have wanted to order more of whatever they liked, but couldn't get hold of any, especially in limited shapes like that one.
Thanks bro. Here they are. Stoked I got three different top plys.
(https://i.imgur.com/83nTu0f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oM383v2.jpg)
triplets
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As XEN posted earlier
The one time Welcome did a popsicle was ages ago and seemingly sold out as soon as it hit shelves.
https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/hardgoods/products/call-mary-on-labrys-hot-pink-8-5
8.5" x 31.95" with 14.25" Wheelbase
And then posted in the WBSWB thread:
A new challenger has entered the chat:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWEzDEQvD97/?utm_medium=copy_link
W/b is 14.25
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I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
Dude check out my pics of the Neen bloards, those are twin noses. Try to find one but probably I snatched all of them up.
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The 8.5 exorcism board is 14.375 wheelbase.
Ch'Ching.
Is it 32" long or 31.875 as noted around the web?
31.875
Sweet perfection. Just ordered one.
Thanks for the legwork!
@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
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I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
The Foy, Neen, AWS Owlien twin (and the habitat) are more nose than tail; it's really only the DLX that's a true Twin Tail these days (no idea about the welcome) - that one looks more hybrid to me.
I like being able to krook either way (it's easier off the nose).
I can measure them but I am European so I‘ll have to calculate…plus I never measured a bloard except for width so I am not sure how to do it properly. I‘ll see what I can do.
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I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
I would measure the length of the kicks (especially the nose) on whatever boards you have liked, as many standard boards are closer to a 6.8 to 7" nose with a 6.5" tail.
Twin tails are just that, often two tails, at 6.5 to 6.6" for many around the 8" size. Twin noses are a bit longer, but there are not many, if any at all, in only 8" wide.
You could just ride normal boards that have a sideways graphic, eg Baker logo or Antihero eagle as two fairly recognisable graphics so it wouldn't be obvious you are riding the nose of the board.
Good call, I'll have to measure. And yeah that's a great point, maybe no one would notice haha
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As most of the twins are coming out in at least 8.25 or more commonly 8.375 and some 8.5 there are not many options for a twin as only 8.0" as you asked for.
Keep looking though, as there might be some boards that fit the bill.
Quite a few shops like Tactics list the dimensions, including nose and tail lengths (even if they are often thought to be incorrect) but that should help a fair bit with finding boards that work for you.
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Never understood why skateboards were designed with a nose and tail tbh. Whoever came up with that stupid idea anyway? Once you get used to skating a symmetrical deck it feels so shit going back to a regular deck with nose & tail.
Symmetrical is life…
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As most of the twins are coming out in at least 8.25 or more commonly 8.375 and some 8.5 there are not many options for a twin as only 8.0" as you asked for.
Keep looking though, as there might be some boards that fit the bill.
Quite a few shops like Tactics list the dimensions, including nose and tail lengths (even if they are often thought to be incorrect) but that should help a fair bit with finding boards that work for you.
I did notice that today on tactics actually, super helpful. Also surprised to see how short the tails of some boards I’ve skated really are in comparison so maybe just finding something with a bigger tail in general will help. Appreciate the help!
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Never understood why skateboards were designed with a nose and tail tbh. Whoever came up with that stupid idea anyway? Once you get used to skating a symmetrical deck it feels so shit going back to a regular deck with nose & tail.
Symmetrical is life…
Paul Schmitt has said in multiple interviews that having different noses and tails allow you to have the equivalent of two blades in your pocketknife. Sometimes a trick may be easier off one end of the board vs the other. I have notice that I can land a few certain tricks more regularly skating my directional board backwards.
That said, I still dig twin tails - especially on mini ramps. I hate skating a mini with my board backwards and on a regular board will always try to do two shove tricks in a row to get it back as quick as possible.
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Never understood why skateboards were designed with a nose and tail tbh. Whoever came up with that stupid idea anyway? Once you get used to skating a symmetrical deck it feels so shit going back to a regular deck with nose & tail.
Symmetrical is life…
Paul Schmitt has said in multiple interviews that having different noses and tails allow you to have the equivalent of two blades in your pocketknife. Sometimes a trick may be easier off one end of the board vs the other. I have notice that I can land a few certain tricks more regularly skating my directional board backwards.
That said, I still dig twin tails - especially on mini ramps. I hate skating a mini with my board backwards and on a regular board will always try to do two shove tricks in a row to get it back as quick as possible.
Nothing against you and Schmitt personally but I hate that viewpoint. If people started with twin tails I doubt that would be an arguement. There's differences yes but people just skate their board backwards when going switch anyway which doesn't seem logical. If the nose and tail were that important you wouldn't skate the board backwards going switch.
I get that there's differences. (I used to do hardflips off the nose when I ride normal boards) But it feels almost wasteful not having a twin tail because they last so much longer unless you skate tons of switch.
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Even though I have a few Ishod/Worrest 8.25/8.3 Slick twin tails on ice, I just impulse bought the Foy 8.5 twin tail.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess I can justify it by telling myself I could set it with bigger/wider/squarer wheels for crustier spots, keep the DLX with smaller Spitfire Classics for smoother spots...
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Even though I have a few Ishod/Worrest 8.25/8.3 Slick twin tails on ice, I just impulse bought the Foy 8.5 twin tail.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess I can justify it by telling myself I could set it with bigger/wider/squarer wheels for crustier spots, keep the DLX with smaller Spitfire Classics for smoother spots...
I'm sitting on two unskated Neen 8.25 twin (and been skating a pretty new 8.375 UMA)...but my Foy twin arrives tomorrow... been digging wider boards and longer WBs, but 32" boards make it clunky.
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Even though I have a few Ishod/Worrest 8.25/8.3 Slick twin tails on ice, I just impulse bought the Foy 8.5 twin tail.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess I can justify it by telling myself I could set it with bigger/wider/squarer wheels for crustier spots, keep the DLX with smaller Spitfire Classics for smoother spots...
I'm sitting on two unskated Neen 8.25 twin (and been skating a pretty new 8.375 UMA)...but my Foy twin arrives tomorrow... een digging wider boards and longer WBs, but 32" boards make it clunky.
Let us know how they skate pls dude
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Chems tool .375in adjustment on the tail will yield similar "twin tail/nose" effect. A typical 8.5 w/14.5 wb, will turn into 7"N/7.1ishT with 14.125wb. May have to add risers or bigger wheels to offset pop angle. Nose will still be steeper though.
(https://i.ibb.co/nLg9r0v/Screenshot-20211112-104403-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nLg9r0v)
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@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
Ok I measured but with a metric measure.
Wheelbase is 36.7 cm = 14.44 inch so 14.5 seems correct
Width 21.5 cm = 8.46 inch so 8.5 seems correct
Length 83 cm = 32.67 so it‘s a bit longer than 32
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I got to ride a prototype of the welcome twin and helped a bit with the dimensions.
Loved the feel, its a beaut.
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@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
Ok I measured but with a metric measure.
Wheelbase is 36.7 cm = 14.44 inch so 14.5 seems correct
Width 21.5 cm = 8.46 inch so 8.5 seems correct
Length 83 cm = 32.67 so it‘s a bit longer than 32
Was the length measured with the concave (usually longer) or straight across (usually shorter)?
I recall for boards of about 32 measured straight across, they come up about 32.5 measured with the concave.
Not doubting you either, just checking / wanting to clarify.
Thanks.
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@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
Ok I measured but with a metric measure.
Wheelbase is 36.7 cm = 14.44 inch so 14.5 seems correct
Width 21.5 cm = 8.46 inch so 8.5 seems correct
Length 83 cm = 32.67 so it‘s a bit longer than 32
Was the length measured with the concave (usually longer) or straight across (usually shorter)?
I recall for boards of about 32 measured straight across, they come up about 32.5 measured with the concave.
Not doubting you either, just checking / wanting to clarify.
Thanks.
Measured straight across. And no problem, I am a measuring novice so it‘s ok to double check ;D
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@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
Ok I measured but with a metric measure.
Wheelbase is 36.7 cm = 14.44 inch so 14.5 seems correct
Width 21.5 cm = 8.46 inch so 8.5 seems correct
Length 83 cm = 32.67 so it‘s a bit longer than 32
Was the length measured with the concave (usually longer) or straight across (usually shorter)?
I recall for boards of about 32 measured straight across, they come up about 32.5 measured with the concave.
Not doubting you either, just checking / wanting to clarify.
Thanks.
Measured straight across. And no problem, I am a measuring novice so it‘s ok to double check ;D
Easy!
So it really is a LLLOOONNNGGG board.
Twin nose would definitely make it longer than twin tail, but I wasn't sure quite how much.
So was it pretty much right on 7" each kick?
You probably already mentioned earlier, but I had already started typing the message.
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@Easy Slider
Did you happen to measure your 8.5" Neen decks? Curious if they are actually 8.5x32x14.5 seeing as the Foy posted dim are wrong around the web.
Ok I measured but with a metric measure.
Wheelbase is 36.7 cm = 14.44 inch so 14.5 seems correct
Width 21.5 cm = 8.46 inch so 8.5 seems correct
Length 83 cm = 32.67 so it‘s a bit longer than 32
Was the length measured with the concave (usually longer) or straight across (usually shorter)?
I recall for boards of about 32 measured straight across, they come up about 32.5 measured with the concave.
Not doubting you either, just checking / wanting to clarify.
Thanks.
Measured straight across. And no problem, I am a measuring novice so it‘s ok to double check ;D
Easy!
So it really is a LLLOOONNNGGG board.
Twin nose would definitely make it longer than twin tail, but I wasn't sure quite how much.
So was it pretty much right on 7" each kick?
You probably already mentioned earlier, but I had already started typing the message.
I won‘t tolerate any slandering my board as a longboard >:(
Jk, yes the kicks are pretty much right on 7‘ each.
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Never understood why skateboards were designed with a nose and tail tbh. Whoever came up with that stupid idea anyway? Once you get used to skating a symmetrical deck it feels so shit going back to a regular deck with nose & tail.
Symmetrical is life…
Paul Schmitt has said in multiple interviews that having different noses and tails allow you to have the equivalent of two blades in your pocketknife. Sometimes a trick may be easier off one end of the board vs the other. I have notice that I can land a few certain tricks more regularly skating my directional board backwards.
That said, I still dig twin tails - especially on mini ramps. I hate skating a mini with my board backwards and on a regular board will always try to do two shove tricks in a row to get it back as quick as possible.
Nothing against you and Schmitt personally but I hate that viewpoint. If people started with twin tails I doubt that would be an arguement. There's differences yes but people just skate their board backwards when going switch anyway which doesn't seem logical. If the nose and tail were that important you wouldn't skate the board backwards going switch.
I get that there's differences. (I used to do hardflips off the nose when I ride normal boards) But it feels almost wasteful not having a twin tail because they last so much longer unless you skate tons of switch.
I think the general reasoning is that the nose being longer makes it easier to pop, ie hits the ground faster, so it helps with your weaker foot (nollies and switch). But due to this you also get a lesser angle, so you can still pop higher from the tail.
If your switch and nollie tricks are just fine on a twin tail this is probably a non-issue for you then.
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Never understood why skateboards were designed with a nose and tail tbh. Whoever came up with that stupid idea anyway? Once you get used to skating a symmetrical deck it feels so shit going back to a regular deck with nose & tail.
Symmetrical is life…
Paul Schmitt has said in multiple interviews that having different noses and tails allow you to have the equivalent of two blades in your pocketknife. Sometimes a trick may be easier off one end of the board vs the other. I have notice that I can land a few certain tricks more regularly skating my directional board backwards.
That said, I still dig twin tails - especially on mini ramps. I hate skating a mini with my board backwards and on a regular board will always try to do two shove tricks in a row to get it back as quick as possible.
Nothing against you and Schmitt personally but I hate that viewpoint. If people started with twin tails I doubt that would be an arguement. There's differences yes but people just skate their board backwards when going switch anyway which doesn't seem logical. If the nose and tail were that important you wouldn't skate the board backwards going switch.
I get that there's differences. (I used to do hardflips off the nose when I ride normal boards) But it feels almost wasteful not having a twin tail because they last so much longer unless you skate tons of switch.
If your switch and nollie tricks are just fine on a twin tail this is probably a non-issue for you then.
Boards started with smaller/nonexistent noses after all, then evolved past the point of symmentry into the elongated noses, it’s not like they ”started off” with longer noses and just never thought to make them symmetrical.
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Recently standing on one of those BPSW era at its prime was pretty weird.
A 7+ nose and a less than 5 tiny tail was the total opposite of the 80s fish boards but they still had a purpose.
At least now we have so many options including regular, twin nose, twin tail, etc so everyone can have a happy place.
So glad board shapes have evolved to this point, but I think it would be nice to have more options in the exact twins.
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I think I finally came to the realization that I skate better off the nose of most boards I ride after being in denial about it for pretty much ever, what’s a good symmetrical shape that would be closer to that? Are most “twin tails” more of a middle ground than actually two tails? I skate 8” boards so maybe not a lot of options anyway.
It might be because I grew up skating my board the wrong direction because I didn’t know any better, but I’d rather find a symmetrical board than do that on purpose…
G027 details are like switching the board around kinnda. Long tails with lots of fingers of flat makes the tail feel like other boards nose. Crob twin is same ish just twin.
Also g027 taper from 8. To 8.25 tail to nose.
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Recently standing on one of those BPSW era at its prime was pretty weird.
A 7+ nose and a less than 5 tiny tail was the total opposite of the 80s fish boards but they still had a purpose.
At least now we have so many options including regular, twin nose, twin tail, etc so everyone can have a happy place.
So glad board shapes have evolved to this point, but I think it would be nice to have more options in the exact twins.
I vaguely seem to remember that there existed a few twin tails even back in the 90s but I can‘t remember. This would still be on topic tho so who knows when the first twin tail came out?
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The Foy twin was my first twin tail. I love the regular Foy85, thought I would be way into this since I suck at all things switch, but I don’t like skating a twin tail. Maybe it was all in my head, but I felt like my flick suffered a ton without a real nose. I still skate mellow boards, but I need a real nose. Oh well, now I know.
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Recently standing on one of those BPSW era at its prime was pretty weird.
A 7+ nose and a less than 5 tiny tail was the total opposite of the 80s fish boards but they still had a purpose.
At least now we have so many options including regular, twin nose, twin tail, etc so everyone can have a happy place.
So glad board shapes have evolved to this point, but I think it would be nice to have more options in the exact twins.
I vaguely seem to remember that there existed a few twin tails even back in the 90s but I can‘t remember. This would still be on topic tho so who knows when the first twin tail came out?
I am guessing there were more rounded twins out in the early to mid 90s, but as to the first twin tail, anyone remember this?
1990 it was.
Powell Hawk twin tail.
This thing was a scary beast, but it still qualifies for a twin.
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/152942858947_/Vintage-1990-TONY-HAWK-PICTOGRAM-POWELL-PERALTA-DOUBLE.jpg)
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Recently standing on one of those BPSW era at its prime was pretty weird.
A 7+ nose and a less than 5 tiny tail was the total opposite of the 80s fish boards but they still had a purpose.
At least now we have so many options including regular, twin nose, twin tail, etc so everyone can have a happy place.
So glad board shapes have evolved to this point, but I think it would be nice to have more options in the exact twins.
I vaguely seem to remember that there existed a few twin tails even back in the 90s but I can‘t remember. This would still be on topic tho so who knows when the first twin tail came out?
I am guessing there were more rounded twins out in the early to mid 90s, but as to the first twin tail, anyone remember this?
1990 it was.
Powell Hawk twin tail.
This thing was a scary beast, but it still qualifies for a twin.
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/152942858947_/Vintage-1990-TONY-HAWK-PICTOGRAM-POWELL-PERALTA-DOUBLE.jpg)
yup i clearly remember this board..
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The OG (and pre-Mike V Barnyard)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/c82dcfd09f86d7be29ffe23f731a073a/tumblr_inline_pb2q5gHfkj1sr5onc_500.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0783/2957/products/DOUBLE_VISION_REISSUE_BROWN_STAIN_TOP_WEB_740x.png?v=1544738343)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/b8999cc72f2b7e9672c647f2bffc79d5/tumblr_nvzg6vHVFJ1u8b08wo1_1280.jpg)
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I remember both those boards..Holyfuck I'm getting old
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Those are sick 8) I remember the Hawk now.
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The OG (and pre-Mike V Barnyard)
Wow 1989 - from your link and looking at Sk8cheddar's page.
https://sk8cheddar.com/post/130851956000/vision-double-vision-1989-art-sold-9102015
That is a good one, which I may not have ever seen before - don't know why but Vision didn't really have a big presence where I was growing up.
The brown one is a reissue too, so it has come out again?
That is rad any which way I look at it.
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The OG (and pre-Mike V Barnyard)
Wow 1989 - from your link and looking at Sk8cheddar's page.
https://sk8cheddar.com/post/130851956000/vision-double-vision-1989-art-sold-9102015
That is a good one, which I may not have ever seen before - don't know why but Vision didn't really have a big presence where I was growing up.
The brown one is a reissue too, so it has come out again?
That is rad any which way I look at it.
Yup, re-issues are out there, they sell out fast tho!
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Foy
(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
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Foy
(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
I like what I'm reading... What trucks and wheel size have you tried it with if I may ask?
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(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
149 Royals (new ones w/IKP), 52mm bones STF V5s
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(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
149 Royals (new ones w/IKP), 52mm bones STF V5s
Thanks, I think I'm going to like that one...
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The OG (and pre-Mike V Barnyard)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/c82dcfd09f86d7be29ffe23f731a073a/tumblr_inline_pb2q5gHfkj1sr5onc_500.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0783/2957/products/DOUBLE_VISION_REISSUE_BROWN_STAIN_TOP_WEB_740x.png?v=1544738343)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/b8999cc72f2b7e9672c647f2bffc79d5/tumblr_nvzg6vHVFJ1u8b08wo1_1280.jpg)
My brother had that one, built up with G&S trucks and Schmitt SS radials - the wheels with the aluminum core. He had ordered the 63mm wheels (which were already big for the time) but they sent 68s. That thing SUCKED at doing anything but going straight. I don't think he ever learned to kickflip and ended up quitting skating for a decade or so.
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Having put in some more time with the Foy Twin, it's easily my favorite of what's out there. For an 8.5 if doesn't feel like one at all (coming off an 8.375)...
(https://i.ibb.co/Z6xQ1Xv/unnamed.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z6xQ1Xv)
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This popped up in my ad feed : https://gliderskateboards.com/collections/frontpage/products/deck-02-twin-tail-iceblink
8 and 8.25" twin tails with 14.3 wheelbase. Two graphics. No idea on woodshop.
Width Wheel Base Nose Tail
8.0 14.3'' 6.55'' 6.55''
8.25 14.3'' 6.625'' 6.625''
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/image_540x.jpg?)
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Who sent who a board?
I kid.
Stacked, the Glider seem much thicker than the DLX.
Can't say the name resonates, but hey, more twin option the better.
Second vid on their page, dude puts it through it's paces. Mentions it being thicker.
https://youtu.be/Dqv3F084_fE
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They have a normal board listed too, which they have info on (below) too, so I wonder if the twin boards are something else.
Were other Chapman boards a bit thicker?
https://gliderskateboards.com/products/deck-03-standard-avalyn
Traditional popsicle shape designed with Chapman Skateboards (Zoo York, Supreme, etc.). Pro quality construction that's made with Canadian 7-ply maple wood.
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Thanks to this thread and to Xen in particular to have more reliable measures than board companies themselves, I just picked up the Foy Twin but would not have if I trusted the sticker on it that says 14.5 WB.
The graphics is not my cup of tea and I don't like that the bottom ply is not colored, but that's all not very important, what matters to me is that the shape is magnifico and I love that blue top ply!
(https://i.ibb.co/8PFZmvd/Foy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PFZmvd)
Xen's measures match mine (8.5, a hair under 32, a hair under 14.33 wb, 6.75 kicks), Deathwish says the concave is mellow but it's my first board from the Baker boys, I wouldn't say it's that mellow but mellower than the DLX twins. If the I is steepest at DLX and IV mellowest, I'd say this is VII or something!
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They have a normal board listed too, which they have info on (below) too, so I wonder if the twin boards are something else.
Were other Chapman boards a bit thicker?
https://gliderskateboards.com/products/deck-03-standard-avalyn
Traditional popsicle shape designed with Chapman Skateboards (Zoo York, Supreme, etc.). Pro quality construction that's made with Canadian 7-ply maple wood.
According to the Woodshop thread, Chapman is using Clutch wood.
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Thanks to this thread and to Xen in particular to have more reliable measures than board companies themselves, I just picked up the Foy Twin but would not have if I trusted the sticker on it that says 14.5 WB.
The graphics is not my cup of tea and I don't like that the bottom ply is not colored, but that's all not very important, what matters to me is that the shape is magnifico and I love that blue top ply!
(https://i.ibb.co/8PFZmvd/Foy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PFZmvd)
Xen's measures match mine (8.5, a hair under 32, a hair under 14.33 wb, 6.75 kicks), Deathwish says the concave is mellow but it's my first board from the Baker boys, I wouldn't say it's that mellow but mellower than the DLX twins. If the I is steepest at DLX and IV mellowest, I'd say this is VII or something!
It's a great shape (same as the 8.25" neen but bigger, seems to differ from the 8.5" neen dimension-wise); it's not baker mellow either, but you are right it is mellower than the DLX I-II range, mine is def not a VII tho by that scale.
The graphics are meh, the babypoop/mustard yellow is meh (I got a green top ply) but it's trashed already and I never really cared....but still...DW graphics have never been at the forefront of the brand.
Waiting for some BF sales to pick up a spare or two.
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Thanks to this thread and to Xen in particular to have more reliable measures than board companies themselves, I just picked up the Foy Twin but would not have if I trusted the sticker on it that says 14.5 WB.
The graphics is not my cup of tea and I don't like that the bottom ply is not colored, but that's all not very important, what matters to me is that the shape is magnifico and I love that blue top ply!
(https://i.ibb.co/8PFZmvd/Foy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PFZmvd)
Xen's measures match mine (8.5, a hair under 32, a hair under 14.33 wb, 6.75 kicks), Deathwish says the concave is mellow but it's my first board from the Baker boys, I wouldn't say it's that mellow but mellower than the DLX twins. If the I is steepest at DLX and IV mellowest, I'd say this is VII or something!
It's a great shape (same as the 8.25" neen but bigger, seems to differ from the 8.5" neen dimension-wise); it's not baker mellow either, but you are right it is mellower than the DLX I-II range, mine is def not a VII tho by that scale.
The graphics are meh, the babypoop/mustard yellow is meh (I got a green top ply) but it's trashed already and I never really cared....but still...DW graphics have never been at the forefront of the brand.
Waiting for some BF sales to pick up a spare or two.
Yeah maybe it's closer to DLX's mold IV, I only had Ishods I and I have a Worrest II right now.
But isn't the Neen definitely a twin nose with kicks like 7" long? At 6.75, this is more a hybrid to me, it sits between the Ishod which has 6.55-6.72 tails depending on sizes and the Crob marked at 6.84.
I might pick another too if I see one on sale on BF, it's like the 8.5 Ishod I would have wanted, nicer looking shape that ressembles the smaller Ishod shapes and shorter wheelbase.
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Thanks to this thread and to Xen in particular to have more reliable measures than board companies themselves, I just picked up the Foy Twin but would not have if I trusted the sticker on it that says 14.5 WB.
The graphics is not my cup of tea and I don't like that the bottom ply is not colored, but that's all not very important, what matters to me is that the shape is magnifico and I love that blue top ply!
(https://i.ibb.co/8PFZmvd/Foy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PFZmvd)
Xen's measures match mine (8.5, a hair under 32, a hair under 14.33 wb, 6.75 kicks), Deathwish says the concave is mellow but it's my first board from the Baker boys, I wouldn't say it's that mellow but mellower than the DLX twins. If the I is steepest at DLX and IV mellowest, I'd say this is VII or something!
It's a great shape (same as the 8.25" neen but bigger, seems to differ from the 8.5" neen dimension-wise); it's not baker mellow either, but you are right it is mellower than the DLX I-II range, mine is def not a VII tho by that scale.
The graphics are meh, the babypoop/mustard yellow is meh (I got a green top ply) but it's trashed already and I never really cared....but still...DW graphics have never been at the forefront of the brand.
Waiting for some BF sales to pick up a spare or two.
But isn't the Neen definitely a twin nose with kicks like 7" long? At 6.75, this is more a hybrid to me, it sits between the Ishod which has 6.55-6.72 tails depending on sizes and the Crob marked at 6.84.
I might pick another too if I see one on sale on BF, it's like the 8.5 Ishod I would have wanted, nicer looking shape that ressembles the smaller Ishod shapes and shorter wheelbase.
Aye.
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Thanks to this thread and to Xen in particular to have more reliable measures than board companies themselves, I just picked up the Foy Twin but would not have if I trusted the sticker on it that says 14.5 WB.
The graphics is not my cup of tea and I don't like that the bottom ply is not colored, but that's all not very important, what matters to me is that the shape is magnifico and I love that blue top ply!
(https://i.ibb.co/8PFZmvd/Foy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PFZmvd)
Xen's measures match mine (8.5, a hair under 32, a hair under 14.33 wb, 6.75 kicks), Deathwish says the concave is mellow but it's my first board from the Baker boys, I wouldn't say it's that mellow but mellower than the DLX twins. If the I is steepest at DLX and IV mellowest, I'd say this is VII or something!
It's a great shape (same as the 8.25" neen but bigger, seems to differ from the 8.5" neen dimension-wise); it's not baker mellow either, but you are right it is mellower than the DLX I-II range, mine is def not a VII tho by that scale.
The graphics are meh, the babypoop/mustard yellow is meh (I got a green top ply) but it's trashed already and I never really cared....but still...DW graphics have never been at the forefront of the brand.
Waiting for some BF sales to pick up a spare or two.
But isn't the Neen definitely a twin nose with kicks like 7" long? At 6.75, this is more a hybrid to me, it sits between the Ishod which has 6.55-6.72 tails depending on sizes and the Crob marked at 6.84.
I might pick another too if I see one on sale on BF, it's like the 8.5 Ishod I would have wanted, nicer looking shape that ressembles the smaller Ishod shapes and shorter wheelbase.
The 8.25" Neen (what I referenced) does not have 7" kicks (they're 6.65"ish it's a 31.5" board with a 14.25" WB) maybe the 8.5"vdoes?
Deathwish is killing it with the twins, the 8.25" Neen and the this 8.5" Foy have great dimensions; the 8.5 Neen is too beastly for me (like the 8.5" DLX).
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Hi guys! my name is Paul and i'm the owner of Glider Skateboards. Thanks for posting our content.We're just a small brand (husband and wife + some friends who help out on the side), so we seriously appreciate it
Reach out to us on IG or email if you guys ever have any questions about our boards. We've reached out to the YT skateboard community for some reviews to get a feel for the boards too. Plus, feel free to DM us via IG and we'll send over a discount code as a small token of gratitude
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Hi guys! my name is Paul and i'm the owner of Glider Skateboards. Thanks for posting our content.We're just a small brand (husband and wife + some friends who help out on the side), so we seriously appreciate it
Reach out to us on IG or email if you guys ever have any questions about our boards. We've reached out to the YT skateboard community for some reviews to get a feel for the boards too. Plus, feel free to DM us via IG and we'll send over a discount code as a small token of gratitude
hey, what woodshop do you guys use? thanks
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I'm currently skating the 9.75 symmetrical heroin egg and really liking it. Are there any other symmetrical shaped decks I should look at?
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I'm currently skating the 9.75 symmetrical heroin egg and really liking it. Are there any other symmetrical shaped decks I should look at?
Nothing that wide but I've had Ishod's twin tail 3 times now and I really like it. I have 10 completes but the Ishod is my goto for everything. I've got CRob's twin paddle on deck for my next. Ishod's/Worrest and Crob's all come in a 8.5. I think you can still get that Toe Knee Hawk board for cheap on eBay it's a 9 I believe. The Grimple fuller deck is not symmetrical even though it looks like it
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I'm currently skating the 9.75 symmetrical heroin egg and really liking it. Are there any other symmetrical shaped decks I should look at?
Nothing that wide but I've had Ishod's twin tail 3 times now and I really like it. I have 10 completes but the Ishod is my goto for everything. I've got CRob's twin paddle on deck for my next. Ishod's/Worrest and Crob's all come in a 8.5. I think you can still get that Toe Knee Hawk board for cheap on eBay it's a 9 I believe. The Grimple fuller deck is not symmetrical even though it looks like it
The width is key, so I guess I'll stick with the egg until another non-popsicle symmetrical deck shows up.
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Hi guys! my name is Paul and i'm the owner of Glider Skateboards. Thanks for posting our content.We're just a small brand (husband and wife + some friends who help out on the side), so we seriously appreciate it
Reach out to us on IG or email if you guys ever have any questions about our boards. We've reached out to the YT skateboard community for some reviews to get a feel for the boards too. Plus, feel free to DM us via IG and we'll send over a discount code as a small token of gratitude
Our regular shaped boards are from Chapman and our symmetrical boards are from a factory that's not from the US. We prefer not to say just for competitive research reasons, but we assure you that brands we've all heard of work with the shop we're currently working with.
We initially wanted to work with a factory within the states- Generator, Chapman (for custom shapes), Watson Laminates, etc....but there is just a mad wood shortage right now that they couldn't make it work. At the moment, new accounts can only work with stock shapes for the sake of streamlining their business. We're not discounting a partnership with a US factory in the future, but so far we really dig the factory's quality and service.
We assure you that the twin-tail boards are made of quality wood and our custom shape was diagrammed with an architect to give a different perspective with Autocad / diagramming
We also reached out to some skaters to give their feedback too + just to see it in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qDT8m242w&t=1s&ab_channel=KendallBertaux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOuFKVOCJ04&t=1s&ab_channel=SkateboardDad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqv3F084_fE&t=1s&ab_channel=CoyoteRobShreds
I hope this helps! We're doing Holiday sales - THANKYOU10 for $10 off your order if you want to give our boards a test. No pressure obviously but i figure i mention this.
Let me know if you guys got any other questions. Thank you all!
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Thanks to this thread and to Xen in particular to have more reliable measures than board companies themselves, I just picked up the Foy Twin but would not have if I trusted the sticker on it that says 14.5 WB.
The graphics is not my cup of tea and I don't like that the bottom ply is not colored, but that's all not very important, what matters to me is that the shape is magnifico and I love that blue top ply!
(https://i.ibb.co/8PFZmvd/Foy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PFZmvd)
Xen's measures match mine (8.5, a hair under 32, a hair under 14.33 wb, 6.75 kicks), Deathwish says the concave is mellow but it's my first board from the Baker boys, I wouldn't say it's that mellow but mellower than the DLX twins. If the I is steepest at DLX and IV mellowest, I'd say this is VII or something!
It's a great shape (same as the 8.25" neen but bigger, seems to differ from the 8.5" neen dimension-wise); it's not baker mellow either, but you are right it is mellower than the DLX I-II range, mine is def not a VII tho by that scale.
The graphics are meh, the babypoop/mustard yellow is meh (I got a green top ply) but it's trashed already and I never really cared....but still...DW graphics have never been at the forefront of the brand.
Waiting for some BF sales to pick up a spare or two.
Second Foy Twin arrived today, dims are on point to the other one I have, so at least there consistency in lieu of sticker inaccuracy...I guess by non-slap standards it's 'close enough'.
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I'm currently skating the 9.75 symmetrical heroin egg and really liking it. Are there any other symmetrical shaped decks I should look at?
Nothing that wide but I've had Ishod's twin tail 3 times now and I really like it. I have 10 completes but the Ishod is my goto for everything. I've got CRob's twin paddle on deck for my next. Ishod's/Worrest and Crob's all come in a 8.5. I think you can still get that Toe Knee Hawk board for cheap on eBay it's a 9 I believe. The Grimple fuller deck is not symmetrical even though it looks like it
The width is key, so I guess I'll stick with the egg until another non-popsicle symmetrical deck shows up.
If you want another symmetrical egg (and in the US) I saw a post from the Egg shaped boards thread you might like:
Re stock on symmetrical eggs
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Heroin/p/Heroin-Symmetrical-Egg-975-x-3225-x58274672.htm
Don't know if this is correct, but it shows there are ten of those in stock.
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I'm currently skating the 9.75 symmetrical heroin egg and really liking it. Are there any other symmetrical shaped decks I should look at?
Nothing that wide but I've had Ishod's twin tail 3 times now and I really like it. I have 10 completes but the Ishod is my goto for everything. I've got CRob's twin paddle on deck for my next. Ishod's/Worrest and Crob's all come in a 8.5. I think you can still get that Toe Knee Hawk board for cheap on eBay it's a 9 I believe. The Grimple fuller deck is not symmetrical even though it looks like it
The width is key, so I guess I'll stick with the egg until another non-popsicle symmetrical deck shows up.
If you want another symmetrical egg (and in the US) I saw a post from the Egg shaped boards thread you might like:
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Re stock on symmetrical eggs
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Decks/Heroin/p/Heroin-Symmetrical-Egg-975-x-3225-x58274672.htm
Don't know if this is correct, but it shows there are ten of those in stock.
Yeah I succumbed to this yesterday. I've already bought too much skate shit recently, but I couldn't pass this up.
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Did anyone ever get around to picking up the AWS Owlien Twin (or the habitat twin for that matter)?
Really curious if the length listed (32.25") is accurate.
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I'll be skating this one soon I'll let you know what I think
(https://i.imgur.com/OIRiuyi.jpg)
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I'll be skating this one soon I'll let you know what I think
(https://i.imgur.com/OIRiuyi.jpg)
I’ve been skating mine for a few months now and have no complaints. Being able to do all my tricks with either side of the board with issue is so convenient. Enjoy.
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Did anyone ever get around to picking up the AWS Owlien Twin (or the habitat twin for that matter)?
Really curious if the length listed (32.35") is accurate.
I still haven't seen one in person, but I thought someone else on here said it was more like 32" long.
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Did anyone ever get around to picking up the AWS Owlien Twin (or the habitat twin for that matter)?
Really curious if the length listed (32.25") is accurate.
I still haven't seen one in person, but I thought someone else on here said it was more like 32" long.
In typical PSTX/AWS/QUASI fashion, I am assuming it is .25 shorter than listed, putting it right at the 32" mark. I might bite between the Foys I have. If Suciu approves, it should be more than good enough at any length.
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I'll be skating this one soon I'll let you know what I think
(https://i.imgur.com/OIRiuyi.jpg)
I’ve been skating mine for a few months now and have no complaints. Being able to do all my tricks with either side of the board with issue is so convenient. Enjoy.
What do you think of the concave? Does it continue to the nose/tail, or are those flat?
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
Have been on the hunt for a I or II, but the shops I can visit run out of the TTs pretty quick as soon as they drop so...
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
Have been on the hunt for a I or II, but the shops I can visit run out of the TTs pretty quick as soon as they drop so...
I know what you mean and understand it is a struggle.
The distro in this country can specifically dig out and send certain number tops as needed, as much as it is a bit of a pain, it can be done.
One other thing that might secure a board is making a deposit on one, or even having a standing order so they put aside one or two every time they come in, which can also be done and works if the shop people have a clue, but pre payment is always a good way to make sure it is done - the shop being much more likely to order more of them for you as well.
Just a thought anyway.
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
Have been on the hunt for a I or II, but the shops I can visit run out of the TTs pretty quick as soon as they drop so...
I know what you mean and understand it is a struggle.
The distro in this country can specifically dig out and send certain number tops as needed, as much as it is a bit of a pain, it can be done.
One other thing that might secure a board is making a deposit on one, or even having a standing order so they put aside one or two every time they come in, which can also be done and works if the shop people have a clue, but pre payment is always a good way to make sure it is done - the shop being much more likely to order more of them for you as well.
Just a thought anyway.
My local will take orders, any of them should especially if you plop down some coin; if they won't, find a shop that will.
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
Have been on the hunt for a I or II, but the shops I can visit run out of the TTs pretty quick as soon as they drop so...
Where can you see this information? I didn’t know that deluxe did this
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
Have been on the hunt for a I or II, but the shops I can visit run out of the TTs pretty quick as soon as they drop so...
Where can you see this information? I didn’t know that deluxe did this
Yep, they stamp the number in roman numerals on the top between the front truck holes. I is the steepest, IV the mellowest... It's not a huge difference but noticable.
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Are there any Twin Tails out with medium-steep concave and high kicks? Everything I've seen out at the moment is mellow (Deathwish, Real, Glider)
+1. The Ishod 8.3 is the best deck I ever rode, but it mellows out even more after some time and I loved the steepness of FA/Hockey decks...
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with FA/Hockey and wait until someone comes out with a steeper concave Twin Tail.
It might be easier said than done, but the DLX wood has I to IV with I being the steepest, so you could try tracking down one of those. Most twins I have seen are more so on III or IV but they are out there on I and II as well, as some others have said.
Have been on the hunt for a I or II, but the shops I can visit run out of the TTs pretty quick as soon as they drop so...
Where can you see this information? I didn’t know that deluxe did this
Yep, they stamp the number in roman numerals on the top between the front truck holes. I is the steepest, IV the mellowest... It's not a huge difference but noticable.
Dude thanks
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Hi guys, we're a small brand trying to get the word out with social proof and reviews....Would anyone be down to try our twin tail boards out for 50% off and give their thoughts on it here? No pressure at all and sorry for the self-promotion if it is. But if you are, DM us on instagram:
instagram.com/gliderskateboards
Boards are here:
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Hi guys, we're a small brand trying to get the word out with social proof and reviews....Would anyone be down to try our twin tail boards out for 50% off and give their thoughts on it here? No pressure at all and sorry for the self-promotion if it is. But if you are, DM us on instagram:
instagram.com/gliderskateboards
Boards are here:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/image_20084375-256e-4736-ba0c-f6d4a509be3f_540x.png?v=1630214999)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/IMG_0920_540x.jpg?v=1630437516)
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Does anyone else currently make 8” twin tails?
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Hi guys, we're a small brand trying to get the word out with social proof and reviews....Would anyone be down to try our twin tail boards out for 50% off and give their thoughts on it here? No pressure at all and sorry for the self-promotion if it is. But if you are, DM us on instagram:
instagram.com/gliderskateboards
Boards are here:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/image_20084375-256e-4736-ba0c-f6d4a509be3f_540x.png?v=1630214999)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/IMG_0920_540x.jpg?v=1630437516)
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Does anyone else currently make 8” twin tails?
Real does
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Hi guys, we're a small brand trying to get the word out with social proof and reviews....Would anyone be down to try our twin tail boards out for 50% off and give their thoughts on it here? No pressure at all and sorry for the self-promotion if it is. But if you are, DM us on instagram:
instagram.com/gliderskateboards
Boards are here:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/image_20084375-256e-4736-ba0c-f6d4a509be3f_540x.png?v=1630214999)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0589/6804/7778/products/IMG_0920_540x.jpg?v=1630437516)
DM sent.
Does anyone else currently make 8” twin tails?
Real does
Thank you to everyone who reached out to help support. Still offering this promo if anyone is interested
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Anyone make a good 7.75 twin tail deck??
We're planning to make some in maybe March...Some ways away, i know. But we can send over a discount code when its ready if you ever want to test it out (obviously no pressure)
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I've been skating the Chocolate Roberts Twin Tail for a while now and it's been an awesome deck for me despite the adjustment at the beginning. The previous deck I had before was a Neen Deathwish Twin with the 14.25 wheelbase while the chocolate is at 14. I thought I'd wanna go back to the slightly longer wheelbase so I copped another Neen with the same dimensions as a backup like a month ago, but this chocolate has lastly me so long and served me so well that I copped another one in the opposite colors. Mind you my current chocolate still going strong so now I got 2 backup twin tails sitting in the wing. I'm gonna skate the chocolate next to keep it consistent then step it back up to the Neen.
I'd try those Glider joints for the hell of it but those graphics are hella bland. A two-color graphic with the logo (no text) in the middle would be better than everything else I've seen. Not trying be on some hater shit because I like the concept of an all twin-tail deck company, but the art department gotta step it up and make it look more than a generic Amazon brand
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All good! We’ll be making some new graphics next year and will take Avril Lavignes advice to heart
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All good! We’ll be making some new graphics next year and will take Avril Lavignes advice to heart
good shit I see those IG ads I'll be checking for them (https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjgrin.png)
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Anyone make a good 7.75 twin tail deck??
We're planning to make some in maybe March...Some ways away, i know. But we can send over a discount code when its ready if you ever want to test it out (obviously no pressure)
I was thinking I had never seen a twin under 8" wide, most being 8.25" through to 8.5" nowdays, very much like the average board sizes for everything really. Creature made Evil live twin boards back in the day, with an 8.6 or 8.8 but again nothing small.
The smallest being the Real Ishod deck, with that 8.0" just being part of the range as there are so few people overall riding anything under that nowdays that I think companies would either have very few or end up with a lot of stock left over.
Either way it could be an interesting selling point.
Would the dimensions also be scaled down, shorter length, wheelbase and kicks, or remain the same mold as the existing one?
* Just curious, but some information is best kept until the product is released.
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Anyone make a good 7.75 twin tail deck??
We're planning to make some in maybe March...Some ways away, i know. But we can send over a discount code when its ready if you ever want to test it out (obviously no pressure)
I was thinking I had never seen a twin under 8" wide, most being 8.25" through to 8.5" nowdays, very much like the average board sizes for everything really. Creature made Evil live twin boards back in the day, with an 8.6 or 8.8 but again nothing small.
The smallest being the Real Ishod deck, with that 8.0" just being part of the range as there are so few people overall riding anything under that nowdays that I think companies would either have very few or end up with a lot of stock left over.
Either way it could be an interesting selling point.
Would the dimensions also be scaled down, shorter length, wheelbase and kicks, or remain the same mold as the existing one?
* Just curious, but some information is best kept until the product is released.
I told the Glider owner (who was generous enough to give me half off an 8.0) I think he could corner a niche market by making 7.75” decks. I would be VERY interested in a 7.875 as I’ve been thinking about moving down, but not sure I could go all the way to 7.75.
Can’t wait to try this Glider twin tail. The only other thing that exists in 8.0 is a Real, which isn’t a company I’m much of a fan of
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Anyone make a good 7.75 twin tail deck??
We're planning to make some in maybe March...Some ways away, i know. But we can send over a discount code when its ready if you ever want to test it out (obviously no pressure)
I was thinking I had never seen a twin under 8" wide, most being 8.25" through to 8.5" nowdays, very much like the average board sizes for everything really. Creature made Evil live twin boards back in the day, with an 8.6 or 8.8 but again nothing small.
The smallest being the Real Ishod deck, with that 8.0" just being part of the range as there are so few people overall riding anything under that nowdays that I think companies would either have very few or end up with a lot of stock left over.
Either way it could be an interesting selling point.
Would the dimensions also be scaled down, shorter length, wheelbase and kicks, or remain the same mold as the existing one?
* Just curious, but some information is best kept until the product is released.
Definitely- we've been getting some emails and DMs about a 7.75 size and we figure that ordering a small batch of whenever we place a re-up won't hurt. In terms of dimensions, we're probably going to dial it down a bit from our 8.0, but not by too much. We'll be sure to send the dimensions here when it's ready to go.
I'm sure you all are aware, but COVID has caused a huge delay with shipping, which makes it really frustrating to turn things around in a quick manner. We launched our brand prematurely (8.5s are taking forever, but we just wanted to go live)... We'll keep you guys posted, and thank you guys for the support and just checking us out
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Anyone make a good 7.75 twin tail deck??
We're planning to make some in maybe March...Some ways away, i know. But we can send over a discount code when its ready if you ever want to test it out (obviously no pressure)
I was thinking I had never seen a twin under 8" wide, most being 8.25" through to 8.5" nowdays, very much like the average board sizes for everything really. Creature made Evil live twin boards back in the day, with an 8.6 or 8.8 but again nothing small.
The smallest being the Real Ishod deck, with that 8.0" just being part of the range as there are so few people overall riding anything under that nowdays that I think companies would either have very few or end up with a lot of stock left over.
Either way it could be an interesting selling point.
Would the dimensions also be scaled down, shorter length, wheelbase and kicks, or remain the same mold as the existing one?
* Just curious, but some information is best kept until the product is released.
I told the Glider owner (who was generous enough to give me half off an 8.0) I think he could corner a niche market by making 7.75” decks. I would be VERY interested in a 7.875 as I’ve been thinking about moving down, but not sure I could go all the way to 7.75.
Can’t wait to try this Glider twin tail. The only other thing that exists in 8.0 is a Real, which isn’t a company I’m much of a fan of
And again, tysm for this! taking your feedback in and will run with it.
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Anyone make a good 7.75 twin tail deck??
We're planning to make some in maybe March...Some ways away, i know. But we can send over a discount code when its ready if you ever want to test it out (obviously no pressure)
I was thinking I had never seen a twin under 8" wide, most being 8.25" through to 8.5" nowdays, very much like the average board sizes for everything really. Creature made Evil live twin boards back in the day, with an 8.6 or 8.8 but again nothing small.
The smallest being the Real Ishod deck, with that 8.0" just being part of the range as there are so few people overall riding anything under that nowdays that I think companies would either have very few or end up with a lot of stock left over.
Either way it could be an interesting selling point.
Would the dimensions also be scaled down, shorter length, wheelbase and kicks, or remain the same mold as the existing one?
* Just curious, but some information is best kept until the product is released.
I told the Glider owner (who was generous enough to give me half off an 8.0) I think he could corner a niche market by making 7.75” decks. I would be VERY interested in a 7.875 as I’ve been thinking about moving down, but not sure I could go all the way to 7.75.
Can’t wait to try this Glider twin tail. The only other thing that exists in 8.0 is a Real, which isn’t a company I’m much of a fan of
niche within a niche these days.
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I got my hands on a load of used boards, which included some twins, so I now have a Real Ishod 8.25 and an Alien Workshop Owlien 8.375 board, among others.
The Owlien is definitely 32.25 or so long, with about a 14.375 or 14 3/8 wheelbase and is more a twin nose to me, with them coming in about 7" each but could be a touch under, or even started a touch longer, as it is a used deck.
Comparing it to the Ishod Monarch white 8.25 deck, the Owlien deck is quite a bit steeper and more full in the shape of the kicks with the kicks significantly longer and wider towards the end, the wheelbase a bit longer too, but only a tiny bit wider when they are put together.
I have a Real 8.3 somewhere which I would also like to compare it to, but I am not sure where it is right now. From memory both that 8.3 twin and this 8.25 Real are a lot more mellow in concave (both used and gripped so unable to check number on top) than the Owlien, but even just looking at the Owlien, it just looks like a bigger, longer board.
That would be good if you were into that sort of thing, but if not, the Real decks come away as much more nimble, twin tails, rather than twin noses.
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We're getting our 8.5s within the next few weeks (delays upon delays). Would anyone be interested in testing this out for half off (Free shipping + jessup included) in exchange for a review posted here? DM us on Instagram if you are! We got 8s and 8.25s too.
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I got my hands on a load of used boards, which included some twins, so I now have a Real Ishod 8.25 and an Alien Workshop Owlien 8.375 board, among others.
The Owlien is definitely 32.25 or so long, with about a 14.375 or 14 3/8 wheelbase and is more a twin nose to me, with them coming in about 7" each but could be a touch under, or even started a touch longer, as it is a used deck.
Comparing it to the Ishod Monarch white 8.25 deck, the Owlien deck is quite a bit steeper and more full in the shape of the kicks with the kicks significantly longer and wider towards the end, the wheelbase a bit longer too, but only a tiny bit wider when they are put together.
I have a Real 8.3 somewhere which I would also like to compare it to, but I am not sure where it is right now. From memory both that 8.3 twin and this 8.25 Real are a lot more mellow in concave (both used and gripped so unable to check number on top) than the Owlien, but even just looking at the Owlien, it just looks like a bigger, longer board.
That would be good if you were into that sort of thing, but if not, the Real decks come away as much more nimble, twin tails, rather than twin noses.
Thanks for that, been on the fence for the AWS/Hab twin, but that length is too long for me. Looks like I'm sticking with the DW Foy/Neen for now, even if they are mellower than I would prefer. Whish there was a non-dlx 8.3...not sure what it is but I just can't vibe with them...even if the specs are goldielocks in my book; maybe I should try one with these Royals.
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I got my hands on a load of used boards, which included some twins, so I now have a Real Ishod 8.25 and an Alien Workshop Owlien 8.375 board, among others.
The Owlien is definitely 32.25 or so long, with about a 14.375 or 14 3/8 wheelbase and is more a twin nose to me, with them coming in about 7" each but could be a touch under, or even started a touch longer, as it is a used deck.
Comparing it to the Ishod Monarch white 8.25 deck, the Owlien deck is quite a bit steeper and more full in the shape of the kicks with the kicks significantly longer and wider towards the end, the wheelbase a bit longer too, but only a tiny bit wider when they are put together.
I have a Real 8.3 somewhere which I would also like to compare it to, but I am not sure where it is right now. From memory both that 8.3 twin and this 8.25 Real are a lot more mellow in concave (both used and gripped so unable to check number on top) than the Owlien, but even just looking at the Owlien, it just looks like a bigger, longer board.
That would be good if you were into that sort of thing, but if not, the Real decks come away as much more nimble, twin tails, rather than twin noses.
Thanks for that, been on the fence for the AWS/Hab twin, but that length is too long for me. Looks like I'm sticking with the DW Foy/Neen for now, even if they are mellower than I would prefer. Whish there was a non-dlx 8.3...not sure what it is but I just can't vibe with them...even if the specs are goldielocks in my book; maybe I should try one with these Royals.
I have seen some people get crafty and reshape boards, eg trimming down the kicks a touch is not too hard to do, but for most people, it is easier just to buy a deck and not have to mess with it before you even grip and skate it.
From looking at this Owlien twin, I could definitely see the kicks coming down a touch to make it a bit more comfortable, but if you do have access to other acceptable boards, it is way easier to get those ones, than to reshape this one.
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Recently I tried out the chocolate TT 8.25 after coming from a 8.3 Ishod. That thing is definitely not my cup of tea. The wood feels super stiff compared to the BBS wood and the 14inch wheelbase is too narrow for me. Well it was worth a try but I’ll keep it as a spare, or throw some Thunders on them with some old wheels. Immediately switched to my beat up Real Deck after two sessions. Though I found 2 Worrest would you twins 8.3 on Sale in Germany, I ordered them.
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Recently I tried out the chocolate TT 8.25 after coming from a 8.3 Ishod. That thing is definitely not my cup of tea. The wood feels super stiff compared to the BBS wood and the 14inch wheelbase is too narrow for me. Well it was worth a try but I’ll keep it as a spare, or throw some Thunders on them with some old wheels. Immediately switched to my beat up Real Deck after two sessions. Though I found 2 Worrest would you twins 8.3 on Sale in Germany, I ordered them.
Wheelbase is even more important in a twin tail since the length is going to be shorter due to the "nose" being a tail length. Was the chocolate that you tested at 14 inch wb an 8.25?
edit: just re-read, sorry! 8.25 with a 14 inch wb is definitely on the shorter side
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Recently I tried out the chocolate TT 8.25 after coming from a 8.3 Ishod. That thing is definitely not my cup of tea. The wood feels super stiff compared to the BBS wood and the 14inch wheelbase is too narrow for me. Well it was worth a try but I’ll keep it as a spare, or throw some Thunders on them with some old wheels. Immediately switched to my beat up Real Deck after two sessions. Though I found 2 Worrest would you twins 8.3 on Sale in Germany, I ordered them.
Wheelbase is even more important in a twin tail since the length is going to be shorter due to the "nose" being a tail length. Was the chocolate that you tested at 14 inch wb an 8.25?
edit: just re-read, sorry! 8.25 with a 14 inch wb is definitely on the shorter side
Yep it’s 8.25 14 inch wb, sorry I am not a native English speaker. Might give it to a friend of mine who likes his Chocolate/Girl decks, but the stiffness is a bit to much for me, personally
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0070/8647/3275/products/rabbit_hole_web_1024x1024.jpg)
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0070/8647/3275/products/rabbit_hole_web_1024x1024.jpg)
From our experience, majority of the US factories dont have a templated twin tail shape like how they do for the traditional popsicle shapes. You'll have to send over a CAD drawing with your dimensions...but a lot of the smaller brands (like us) are only allowed to work with the major US factory's default shapes anyway at the moment.
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
From our experience, majority of the US factories dont have a templated twin tail shape like how they do for the traditional popsicle shapes. You'll have to send over a CAD drawing with your dimensions...but a lot of the smaller brands (like us) are only allowed to work with the major US factory's default shapes anyway at the moment.
Yeah the options for anyone without significant industry clout are minimal.
The more I look at that Darkroom board, the more I think it is the same as the Deathwish Neen 8.25 - same woodshop, could be the same shape, so they might have jumped on that option if it became available.
@Xen could probably double check that though, but until you have both, it is hard to gauge.
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Just set up a Bobby Worrest Slick 8.3 twintail. I’ve skated the Ishod shape 2 other times and loved it. Went up to 8.5 and tried the Ishod twintail and that shape is hot garbage. Loving the smaller board and loving being back on this shape. Never had a slick bottom though, so we’ll see how I like it
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Just set up a Bobby Worrest Slick 8.3 twintail. I’ve skated the Ishod shape 2 other times and loved it. Went up to 8.5 and tried the Ishod twintail and that shape is hot garbage. Loving the smaller board and loving being back on this shape. Never had a slick bottom though, so we’ll see how I like it
Every time I get out and look at the Ishod 8.5 twin, I keep getting caught up by the shape of the kicks and how big and round they look, which is why I put it back in a box and reach for a different board to set up.
Anything in particular you found or realised that didn't work for you, or just overall / everything about it?
Just curious - it was bought as stock when I had a shop, then kept as a "just in case" board, but to be honest, I don't think I would ever really consider setting it up.
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Just set up a Bobby Worrest Slick 8.3 twintail. I’ve skated the Ishod shape 2 other times and loved it. Went up to 8.5 and tried the Ishod twintail and that shape is hot garbage. Loving the smaller board and loving being back on this shape. Never had a slick bottom though, so we’ll see how I like it
Every time I get out and look at the Ishod 8.5 twin, I keep getting caught up by the shape of the kicks and how big and round they look, which is why I put it back in a box and reach for a different board to set up.
Anything in particular you found or realised that didn't work for you, or just overall / everything about it?
Just curious - it was bought as stock when I had a shop, then kept as a "just in case" board, but to be honest, I don't think I would ever really consider setting it up.
To each their own. I skated one 8.5 Ishod twin tail and absolutely loved it. Got another one waiting in my stack of boards. The 8.3 I could not get along with at all. I still have the 8.3 in my stack, barely skated. I should probably set it up when the outdoor season starts this year and just give it to a kid if I still can’t get along with it. I have way too many boards like that in my stack.
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Just set up a Bobby Worrest Slick 8.3 twintail. I’ve skated the Ishod shape 2 other times and loved it. Went up to 8.5 and tried the Ishod twintail and that shape is hot garbage. Loving the smaller board and loving being back on this shape. Never had a slick bottom though, so we’ll see how I like it
This is the only shape I’ve skated for like four set ups, either the ishod TT slick or the worrest equivalent, best shit IMO
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Just set up a Bobby Worrest Slick 8.3 twintail. I’ve skated the Ishod shape 2 other times and loved it. Went up to 8.5 and tried the Ishod twintail and that shape is hot garbage. Loving the smaller board and loving being back on this shape. Never had a slick bottom though, so we’ll see how I like it
Every time I get out and look at the Ishod 8.5 twin, I keep getting caught up by the shape of the kicks and how big and round they look, which is why I put it back in a box and reach for a different board to set up.
Anything in particular you found or realised that didn't work for you, or just overall / everything about it?
Just curious - it was bought as stock when I had a shop, then kept as a "just in case" board, but to be honest, I don't think I would ever really consider setting it up.
To each their own. I skated one 8.5 Ishod twin tail and absolutely loved it. Got another one waiting in my stack of boards. The 8.3 I could not get along with at all. I still have the 8.3 in my stack, barely skated. I should probably set it up when the outdoor season starts this year and just give it to a kid if I still can’t get along with it. I have way too many boards like that in my stack.
I actually like big round kicks, which is why I was so curious that someone else didn't like it.
Given I ride more of an 8.5 with 14.5 wb too (usually DLX 8.38), it sounds like it would work for me too, but the reason I had it for the shop was so many people wanted the twins and a decent twin 8.5 was hard to come by, but then no one wanted that one, so I was left a little bit wondering why.
Not a worry to me - like you I guess I have a few too many boards in the "waiting" list, so I can choose what will work and offload it if it doesn't agree with me.
The 8.3 just felt too small overall when I tried one, but others I know were dead set happy on that board for the rest of their days, so they said.
Skateboarding = funny old thing
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If you like big round kicks for your tiwn, the 8.5 Foy is tits; plus it feels more like a Hybrid than a nose or tail (to me anyway).
That darkoom looks pretty nice, bit pointy tho, and long (again, to me as I like'em just shy or slighter longer than 31.8).
Honestly, I feel Deathwish nailed it with the current Neen (8.25) and 8.5 (Foy). The Latter being exactly how I wanted the DLX 8.3 to feel as the doesn't feel like an 8.5" to me.
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The 8.25" Neen (what I referenced) does not have 7" kicks (they're 6.65"ish it's a 31.5" board with a 14.25" WB) maybe the 8.5"vdoes?
Deathwish is killing it with the twins, the 8.25" Neen and the this 8.5" Foy have great dimensions; the 8.5 Neen is too beastly for me (like the 8.5" DLX).
It took a bit to go back over and check, but now I see from your old post, the Neen 8.25 really is a lot shorter.
I was thinking it was around 32 or just under but I might have been thinking of the Foy or something else.
No one anywhere near me has any of the Deathwish boards and even the stores of significant distances away that would stock them didn't have any of the twins when I went on a bit of a skate mission earlier this month.
Real / DLX boards are way more common in all the shops within an hours drive, so I am more used to seeing (and standing on) all of those.
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The 8.25" Neen (what I referenced) does not have 7" kicks (they're 6.65"ish it's a 31.5" board with a 14.25" WB) maybe the 8.5"vdoes?
Deathwish is killing it with the twins, the 8.25" Neen and the this 8.5" Foy have great dimensions; the 8.5 Neen is too beastly for me (like the 8.5" DLX).
It took a bit to go back over and check, but now I see from your old post, the Neen 8.25 really is a lot shorter.
I was thinking it was around 32 or just under but I might have been thinking of the Foy or something else.
No one anywhere near me has any of the Deathwish boards and even the stores of significant distances away that would stock them didn't have any of the twins when I went on a bit of a skate mission earlier this month.
Real / DLX boards are way more common in all the shops within an hours drive, so I am more used to seeing (and standing on) all of those.
Yeah the 8.5" Neen (and the 8.125") are both long compared to the 8.25" neen and 8.5" Foy, totally different shape 'pools' - the 8.25 neen and 8.5 foy are very close in shape, one is just bigger/smaller.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
Which graphic was it?
I guess there have not been that many, but I know sometimes things get mixed up and some graphics go on the wrong boards, or some that are meant for team riders go to general sales too.
Almost all his twin shapes have had twin graphics thinking back, the peaches, the Monarch butterflies, the panthers, bloodmoon (bird over red moon) but I guess the blanket series and the night and day was defined too along with the BMW cars series.
There have definitely been a ton of normal shaped (not twin) decks for him over the years too, most recently a really good 8.5 board in the Full SE variety almost all black highlighted "Marbledove" graphic and then another one on the standard 8.5 shape that had a black backgrkound with white dove "Matchbook" graphic that came out again recently. Almost forgot the "Glitch" oval logo deck too.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
SC= Santa Cruz?
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
SC= Santa Cruz?
I think @Xen had found the Santa Cruz "twin" was not a real twin, maybe four or more pages back.
8.25 McCoy board...
There is the 8.25 Many Hands twin tip as well. The graphic looks symmetrical - just different colour ends.
Deck Width: 8.25" Deck Length: 32.0" Wheel Base: 14.4"
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
Got my hands on the Coogi sweater series.
It even had the sticker but the nose feels sharper. It’s weird but on feet you can tell.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
Got my hands on the Coogi sweater series.
It even had the sticker but the nose feels sharper. It’s weird but on feet you can tell.
Those 'should' be twins. Obviously boards are not manufactured to space shuttle precision and the edges are all sanded by hand so maybe the person finishing it was texting while doing that one or it was done the morning after the office Christmas party so it's a bit out of the normal tolerances! ;D
Personally, all the DLX twins I have had were all bang on twins with the measurments all bang on too (apart from the overall length of the 8.5 Ishods that are a tad shorter than advertised), I have a Foy twin on ice that is a little off though, one end is maybe 1/32" longer than the other but I'm not sure I'll be able to feel it, visually I can't.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
Got my hands on the Coogi sweater series.
It even had the sticker but the nose feels sharper. It’s weird but on feet you can tell.
You can check the steepness of the kicks with a smartphone. The measure app on iPhone only gives whole number precision but you can get apps that provide decimals way more than you need.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
SC= Santa Cruz?
I think @Xen had found the Santa Cruz "twin" was not a real twin, maybe four or more pages back.
8.25 McCoy board...
There is the 8.25 Many Hands twin tip as well. The graphic looks symmetrical - just different colour ends.
Deck Width: 8.25" Deck Length: 32.0" Wheel Base: 14.4"
It wasn't, sadly. The KICKS were the same degree of 'kick' causing it to be symmetrical in that sense, but the nose and tail were different shapes AND lengths; this was the second VX and was called a twin in a video, I think the more recent versions were supposed to be real twins (but I've not checked). I will check out another one if they make the MCcoy VX slick in a twin.
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
From our experience, majority of the US factories dont have a templated twin tail shape like how they do for the traditional popsicle shapes. You'll have to send over a CAD drawing with your dimensions...but a lot of the smaller brands (like us) are only allowed to work with the major US factory's default shapes anyway at the moment.
Yeah the options for anyone without significant industry clout are minimal.
The more I look at that Darkroom board, the more I think it is the same as the Deathwish Neen 8.25 - same woodshop, could be the same shape, so they might have jumped on that option if it became available.
@Xen could probably double check that though, but until you have both, it is hard to gauge.
Would need both, but I'll say this: most darkrooms are VERY long, so I don't feel it is the same mold as the DW neen, even the photos look very different.
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Have the ishod comfy twin, absolutely hate the shape. for me, the board feels way to long nose/tail is too narrow and kicks are not steep enough.
have two mccoy twins waiting to be skated and the shape seems just right from carpet boarding, I feel like the nose/tail is somewhere in between a nose and a tail, leaning more to the nose side. And as for the comment saying the santa cruz decks aren't symmetrical, I think it is symmetrical. I feel like I would immediately notice it if it wasn't symmetrical, I could be wrong though.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
Got my hands on the Coogi sweater series.
It even had the sticker but the nose feels sharper. It’s weird but on feet you can tell.
You can check the steepness of the kicks with a smartphone. The measure app on iPhone only gives whole number precision but you can get apps that provide decimals way more than you need.
Just did one end is 24 degrees. The other is 22.
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
Got my hands on the Coogi sweater series.
It even had the sticker but the nose feels sharper. It’s weird but on feet you can tell.
You can check the steepness of the kicks with a smartphone. The measure app on iPhone only gives whole number precision but you can get apps that provide decimals way more than you need.
Just did one end is 24 degrees. The other is 22.
That definitely sounds like the normal board concave as per most I have had from BBS, not the twin concave.
Were the kicks the same size and shape, or differences there too?
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
From our experience, majority of the US factories dont have a templated twin tail shape like how they do for the traditional popsicle shapes. You'll have to send over a CAD drawing with your dimensions...but a lot of the smaller brands (like us) are only allowed to work with the major US factory's default shapes anyway at the moment.
Yeah the options for anyone without significant industry clout are minimal.
The more I look at that Darkroom board, the more I think it is the same as the Deathwish Neen 8.25 - same woodshop, could be the same shape, so they might have jumped on that option if it became available.
@Xen could probably double check that though, but until you have both, it is hard to gauge.
Would need both, but I'll say this: most darkrooms are VERY long, so I don't feel it is the same mold as the DW neen, even the photos look very different.
Looking at that pic, everything just looks like it works, so no wonder you like it so much.
Funny sometimes you can look at a board shape and think "Yeah that is good" or "No that just won't work" and that rarely changes if you do set it up, but I have been surprised sometimes by some of the boards I have set up for people that I didn't want or like, but then it felt really good when I skated it.
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
From our experience, majority of the US factories dont have a templated twin tail shape like how they do for the traditional popsicle shapes. You'll have to send over a CAD drawing with your dimensions...but a lot of the smaller brands (like us) are only allowed to work with the major US factory's default shapes anyway at the moment.
Yeah the options for anyone without significant industry clout are minimal.
The more I look at that Darkroom board, the more I think it is the same as the Deathwish Neen 8.25 - same woodshop, could be the same shape, so they might have jumped on that option if it became available.
@Xen could probably double check that though, but until you have both, it is hard to gauge.
Would need both, but I'll say this: most darkrooms are VERY long, so I don't feel it is the same mold as the DW neen, even the photos look very different.
Looking at that pic, everything just looks like it works, so no wonder you like it so much.
Funny sometimes you can look at a board shape and think "Yeah that is good" or "No that just won't work" and that rarely changes if you do set it up, but I have been surprised sometimes by some of the boards I have set up for people that I didn't want or like, but then it felt really good when I skated it.
It's even better gripped (same for Foy).
Have the ishod comfy twin, absolutely hate the shape. for me, the board feels way to long nose/tail is too narrow and kicks are not steep enough.
have two mccoy twins waiting to be skated and the shape seems just right from carpet boarding, I feel like the nose/tail is somewhere in between a nose and a tail, leaning more to the nose side. And as for the comment saying the santa cruz decks aren't symmetrical, I think it is symmetrical. I feel like I would immediately notice it if it wasn't symmetrical, I could be wrong though.
Which graphic on those McCoys?
This is the one I have on hand still and I can assure you it is not symmetrical. Gripped you and clearly see a defined nose and tail due to shape and length (the front kick, going by graphic orientation) is 1/4" longer; it can't be skated like a true twin, your brain will justify a tail and nose. Hopefully the more recent one truly are, but I'm not forking out to find out.
(https://i.ibb.co/4gvrm7h/3-84956.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4gvrm7h)
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Y’all ever get a twin tip and really look at the board and clearly tell what side is the nose and tail?
Got an Ishod 8.5 because it was the highest in the stack and there’s clearly a nose (steeper kick on one end).
Meanwhile I hade SC board and the nose and tail were clearly defined
I know Ishod also has some regular shaped pro-model decks too so i would double check
Got my hands on the Coogi sweater series.
It even had the sticker but the nose feels sharper. It’s weird but on feet you can tell.
You can check the steepness of the kicks with a smartphone. The measure app on iPhone only gives whole number precision but you can get apps that provide decimals way more than you need.
Just did one end is 24 degrees. The other is 22.
That definitely sounds like the normal board concave as per most I have had from BBS, not the twin concave.
Were the kicks the same size and shape, or differences there too?
The shape is very similar.
Mrs. Jeff saw it and was trying to figure out one end to the other.
That being said, it’s been a fun board, I try not to but I’ll occasionally spin it around looking for a nose a few times. Even if I can only tell in action and it’s easier to ignore as both of my trucks are around the same looseness.
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Which graphic on those McCoys?
This is the one I have on hand still and I can assure you it is not symmetrical. Gripped you and clearly see a defined nose and tail due to shape and length (the front kick, going by graphic orientation) is 1/4" longer; it can't be skated like a true twin, your brain will justify a tail and nose. Hopefully the more recent one truly are, but I'm not forking out to find out.
(https://i.ibb.co/4gvrm7h/3-84956.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4gvrm7h)
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I got the AfterGlow and the Transcend, although one of them got sent to me warped haha
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If you want an 8.25" twin witha 14.25 WB, the DW Neen is what you need.
If the Chococrob twins were 14.25, I'd bite, as I like the feel of their wood; Baker Bros always feel too mellow and a bit flexy to me.
Or the Darkroom.
8.25" wide
14.25" wheelbase
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
32" length
https://drkrminc.com/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
That's new!
It does seem that more and more companies are getting on to the twin shapes, but I also wonder if the interest also comes when a woodshop does actually have a twin mold too, with a lot more BBS brands doing them.
I also find it very interesting to see both the top and the bottom views, as some boards like this one look fairly stubby in the kicks from the graphic side, but from the top view, the kicks actually look really pointy, so I am curious to see it in person, or at least hear what others say about it after seeing it.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0070/8647/3275/products/rabbit_hole_web_1024x1024.jpg)
From our experience, majority of the US factories dont have a templated twin tail shape like how they do for the traditional popsicle shapes. You'll have to send over a CAD drawing with your dimensions...but a lot of the smaller brands (like us) are only allowed to work with the major US factory's default shapes anyway at the moment.
Gotta read the fine print: (taken from the top of the deck)....can't be symmetrical if the nose and tail are different lengths...buyer beware!
(https://i.ibb.co/r74tgRY/Untitled-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r74tgRY)
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Nice find (and warning) there.
The Darkroom boards I got were different dimensions to what was listed from almost all the shops I checked into after I got them - they were correct to what was on the red sticker though.
Sometimes I wonder if people working for the brand just put something in the info / promo blurb without looking at the actual boards, which is then used by the shop people, again without looking at the boards, which then causes these sorts of issues.
At least you have the Deathwish twins, others have the DLX twins and the few other companies (like Glider) who have the true twins to keep people in this thread happy.
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Nice find (and warning) there.
The Darkroom boards I got were different dimensions to what was listed from almost all the shops I checked into after I got them - they were correct to what was on the red sticker though.
Sometimes I wonder if people working for the brand just put something in the info / promo blurb without looking at the actual boards, which is then used by the shop people, again without looking at the boards, which then causes these sorts of issues.
At least you have the Deathwish twins, others have the DLX twins and the few other companies (like Glider) who have the true twins to keep people in this thread happy.
No idea what's going on, but not sure how anyone could read the top graphic and think that sticker (if they read it), is correct.
(https://i.ibb.co/brqGFZ3/Untitled-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/brqGFZ3)
Based on other standard shape Darkroom 8.25s we can assume that it's the 8.25" sticker that all 8.25s get, regardless of twin kicks or not as the nose and kicks are listed the same across all 8.25s", respectively.
It's all a mess:
"Rabbit Hole Symmetri-tail"
"This deck is designed to be symmetrical on both ends (double nose shape)"
Based on the sticker:
6.5875" tail
6.875" nose
Based on the website (for the twin):
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
So they call it a Symmetri-tail, because it's using the tail dims (short tail), but has a nose 'shape', I guess?
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Nice find (and warning) there.
The Darkroom boards I got were different dimensions to what was listed from almost all the shops I checked into after I got them - they were correct to what was on the red sticker though.
Sometimes I wonder if people working for the brand just put something in the info / promo blurb without looking at the actual boards, which is then used by the shop people, again without looking at the boards, which then causes these sorts of issues.
At least you have the Deathwish twins, others have the DLX twins and the few other companies (like Glider) who have the true twins to keep people in this thread happy.
No idea what's going on, but not sure how anyone could read the top graphic and think that sticker (if they read it), is correct.
(https://i.ibb.co/brqGFZ3/Untitled-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/brqGFZ3)
Based on other standard shape Darkroom 8.25s we can assume that it's the 8.25" sticker that all 8.25s get, regardless of twin kicks or not as the nose and kicks are listed the same across all 8.25s", respectively.
It's all a mess:
"Rabbit Hole Symmetri-tail"
"This deck is designed to be symmetrical on both ends (double nose shape)"
Based on the sticker:
6.5875" tail
6.875" nose
Based on the website (for the twin):
6.5875" tail
6.5875" nose
So they call it a Symmetri-tail, because it's using the tail dims (short tail), but has a nose 'shape', I guess?
So that one is a twin but it ended up with the usual 8.25 sticker on it, as they don't have a specific twin sticker.
That makes sense though.
I know some other boards don't have the usual brand sticker for a shape that is not in their existing catalog - looking at DLX and Polar as two examples here.
* The boards I got with the correct dimensions to red sticker were normal shapes, from last season or so, not twins, just to make that clear too.
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Thank you everyone who reached out and were interested in trying out our twin tail shape in a 8.5. They're back in stock now, reach out if you'd like to test it out for 50% off (in exchange for a review here!) DM us on IG
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https://www.tactics.com/santa-cruz/delfino-ego-825-skateboard-deck
https://socalskateshop.com/Santa-Cruz-Fabiana-Delfino-Ego-Skateboard-Deck-825x3183.html#!?cc_decks=116644&c=cc_grip-tape
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.25"
Length: 31.83"
Wheelbase: 14.22"
Nose: 6.71"
Tail: 6.71"
Probably misinformation on nose and tail length as I've not see this listed as a twin anywhere.
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New Neen 8.25" twin, coming in .25" longer @31.75 (could be a typo)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Neen_Hidden_Inside_Twin_Deck/descpage-DWNHDK.html
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New Neen 8.25" twin, coming in .25" longer @31.75 (could be a typo)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Neen_Hidden_Inside_Twin_Deck/descpage-DWNHDK.html
New Jamie Foy Twin 8.5 too, with the correct specs.
https://socalskateshop.com/Deathwish-Jamie-Foy-Strictly-Deathwish-Twin-Tail-Skateboard-Deck-8-5x32.html#!?cc_decks=122731&c=cc_grip-tape
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Is that getting a shorter wheelbase every new release?
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.5"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.28"
Nose: 6.875"
Tail: 6.875"
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Is that getting a shorter wheelbase every new release?
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.5"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.28"
Nose: 6.875"
Tail: 6.875"
No, the last release was just mislabeled, in reality it had the same numbers as this new one.
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Is that getting a shorter wheelbase every new release?
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.5"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.28"
Nose: 6.875"
Tail: 6.875"
No, the last release was just mislabeled, in reality it had the same numbers as this new one.
Nope.
Foy
(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
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Is that getting a shorter wheelbase every new release?
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.5"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.28"
Nose: 6.875"
Tail: 6.875"
No, the last release was just mislabeled, in reality it had the same numbers as this new one.
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Foy
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Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
I bought two of the previous drop (Failed Exorcism) and they were both 14.28... The 6.875 tails were true too, but measured with the tape pressed down though, 6.75 measured straight across.
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Is that getting a shorter wheelbase every new release?
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.5"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.28"
Nose: 6.875"
Tail: 6.875"
No, the last release was just mislabeled, in reality it had the same numbers as this new one.
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Foy
(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
I bought two of the previous drop (Failed Exorcism) and they were both 14.28... The 6.875 tails were true too, but measured with the tape pressed down though, 6.75 measured straight across.
I don’t know what to tell you man my measurements were spot on flat tape measure, someone else on the form has similar measurements to me…in this thread; I don't have mine anymore to re-measure or I'd check again.
One thing is for certain Deathwish can’t get their fucking dimensions right. Makes me not want to buy them anymore.
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Is that getting a shorter wheelbase every new release?
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.5"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.28"
Nose: 6.875"
Tail: 6.875"
No, the last release was just mislabeled, in reality it had the same numbers as this new one.
Nope.
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Foy
(https://i.ibb.co/5LBnYpy/IMG-1562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LBnYpy)
Deck feels thick (compared to the neen), shape is very similar to the 8.25 Neen Twin (bigger, duh) more hybrid than twin tail, but closer to a nose.
W: 8.5"
L: 31.9"
WB: 14.33ish
Kicks: 6.75 (6.5 usable from plates)
Was really hoping it was shorter than it is, but it's a nice shape and the kicks are full, like the DLX twin; it doesn't feel long tho, probably due to the width and fullness of the kicks. Coming off a 32" UMA (essentially a b16, regretfully I didn't care for it) it feels stubby.
Edit: it feels like the ishod but I like these kicks/kick shapes better; feels like the 8.3 dlx tt. Didn't skate it too long, as I am pretty sure I have food poisoning :P
Feels good being back on a twin and not caring which way the board is.
I bought two of the previous drop (Failed Exorcism) and they were both 14.28... The 6.875 tails were true too, but measured with the tape pressed down though, 6.75 measured straight across.
I don’t know what to tell you man my measurements were spot on flat tape measure, someone else on the form has similar measurements to me…in this thread; I don't have mine anymore to re-measure or I'd check again.
One thing is for certain Deathwish can’t get their fucking dimensions right. Makes me not want to buy them anymore.
I'm not saying you are wrong, just that it's weird. They could have made a running change during the first drop? Maybe they decided mid-way to just only use the shorter WB Jamie rides instead of making some specially for him and others to sell? Or it's just another exemple that shows that, as a whole, the skateboard industry has some very sloppy manufacturing tolerances.
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Consistency within runs of inconsistency...batches of boards that are close enough are used due to availability probably.
"so yeah, we have a few hundred but the dimensions aren't what you spec'd out but are 'close enough' and we still have all those unused stickers from the last run :P either that or we're going to give them to 'brand-x', who is next in line."
Take the neen deck for example...while possible, did neen go, you know, that +.25" in length will really make this deck sing. It's possible, but unlikely.
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I guess when you think about it too, all this stuff is going on in places where people don't actually skate, eg the manufacturing end is just what they get told to do, so who knows if anyone is actually measuring those boards, or they just get the deck lot number that has been matched up with the sticker lot number of XXX number of units each.
When I was in the warehouse of a massive retail production, the number of times I noticed the barcode stickers we were allocated to put on the stock were incorrect to the product, then was told to use them anyway as that is what we were given to put on and not ask questions that would slow down or halt production, I felt like quality control was almost out the window.
Sure it was still the right brand and price, but things like specific colours or other info were wrong, but that appeared to be my issue, not theirs and we just had to get them on and out as soon as we could.
As was said, if someone changed the request for different length, wheelbase or whatever, they would still have those stickers to put on the boards regardless, which could mean the dimensions were incorrect, which would bug me to no end, but maybe the general public would not have a clue and just buy the board for the graphic, for the pro dude or whatever.
Either way, it is interesting that there are repeated differences in measurements on a number of threads about boards more recently.
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On the other hand, I guess it's understandable to let off-specs boards slide through and not want to change stickers for the correct ones given the very small profit margin on boards. Any hickup in production means even less profit.
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Thank you everyone who reached out and were interested in trying out our twin tail shape in a 8.5. They're back in stock now, reach out if you'd like to test it out for 50% off (in exchange for a review here!) DM us on IG
Just wanted to share feedback that I would without a doubt buy twin nose (as opposed to twin tail) boards with medium to steep concave
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Thank you everyone who reached out and were interested in trying out our twin tail shape in a 8.5. They're back in stock now, reach out if you'd like to test it out for 50% off (in exchange for a review here!) DM us on IG
Just wanted to share feedback that I would without a doubt buy twin nose (as opposed to twin tail) boards with medium to steep concave
Thanks for reaching out! We're definitely considering it but maybe down the line (later this year/early next) or if we see enough demand/requests for it
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For people who want twin kicks, yes I said kicks as some want "tails" and some want "noses" is there a consensus on the length of said kick?
Most kicks are roughly in the 6.6 range, 6.5 being fairly short and 6.75 being fairly long for tails, as per most of the boards I have skated or measured in the last while, but then noses can be 6.8 right through 7 even up to 7.25 and longer.
I guess I think of a tail at 6.6 and a nose at 7 even for a common setup, so twin tails at 6.6 or twin noses at 7 would seem about right to me.
For reference I have three sizes of Real Ishod, an 8.25, an 8.3 and an 8.5, along with a couple of others including the Alien Workshop Owlien which is more like twin noses to me when I skated it, but cannot remember the kick lengths right this minute.
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How many fingers of flat we talking?
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How many fingers of flat we talking?
That could be a whole other thread couldn't it?
:)
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Been riding my Glider 8” twin tail that I was lucky enough to get for 50% off for being a Slap pal.
I really dig it. At first the wood was a little heavier/denser than I was used to, but got used to it pretty quickly. Definitely quality wood, but maybe 20% heavier than a typical board. This is really my only complaint, as I’m getting older I’m trying to keep boards light as possible. Real nice pop, still feels good after 10 or so sessions
This board has done wonders for doing pop shovs in and out of grinds. That’s my go to trick, and honestly the reason I was interested in the twin tail. Just easier for me to comfortably catch certain tricks, especially going in and out of grinds. Also, my kick flips and heel flips have never felt better. I think having that little bit of flatter nose helps tremendously to get a proper flick off the board.
It may be subtle, but not having to turn the board constantly or when riding switch (my very limited switch game that is) is also a game changer. The only thing I realized was having the K grind notch in my truck is obviously an advantage, so It’s still nice to know where the front truck is.
These boards really have a future in skateboarding in my opinion. It didn’t at all limit my current bad of tricks, and helped me doing certain tricks quite a bit easier. The natural symmetry feels a lot cleaner too, but hard to explain.
Thanks again to Glider for the generosity. Shipping was super quick and packaging really professional. My only advice would be to work on some cooler graphics and clean up the Instagram :) Not trying to hate, and understand trying to build support and inclusion, but not trying to see 12 year old skatepark kids on the feed. Maybe work on getting a solid team/promo together, and work on brand cohesion and identity. I really think you could corner a segment of the market with offering TT in a variety of sizes. Right now seems like the only other 8” offering is through Real, and I don’t really fuck with them.
Just curious, but is the name “Glider” a reference to the My Bloody Valentine EP? If so, really sick as I am a big Shoegaze head.
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How many fingers of flat we talking?
That could be a whole other thread couldn't it?
:)
I’m joking, but kinda not in that you’d could keep the same length but changing up the fingers of flat or kicks would make a difference too…..I wonder what the same dimensions would feel if made by different manufacturers is dwindle….
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Has anyone been skating the new Crob Twin tail from chocolate?, I am wondering how it compares to other twin tails right now
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Has anyone been skating the new Crob Twin tail from chocolate?, I am wondering how it compares to other twin tails right now
Coming from many ishod twin tails, the crob felt stupid light. the "tails" are super long and the wheelbase is short. The only way I could skate it was with my heaviest trucks(ace 44) and biggest wheels(55mm) in order to make it feel normal.
I ended up cutting it into an egg shape with 6.5" tails. Still feels best on ace trucks with 52-50mm wheels.
As a reference, I usually ride the 8.25 ishod twin with thunder titaniums and 51mm wheels, so super light.
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How many fingers of flat we talking?
That could be a whole other thread couldn't it?
:)
I’m joking, but kinda not in that you’d could keep the same length but changing up the fingers of flat or kicks would make a difference too…..I wonder what the same dimensions would feel if made by different manufacturers is dwindle….
Ha yeah totally get it.
Even just the comment on the CRob twin above (copied below too), which is how it feels when a standard shape with set length between kicks is drilled in with a shorter wheelbase, so everything feels a bit too light.
I have experienced that with some other boards I had modified, as in they end up feeling way too heavy with extended wheelbase into the kicks, but can feel way too light if drilled in past where they normally would sit.
Different woodshop concaves play into this even more too.
Coming from many ishod twin tails, the crob felt stupid light. the "tails" are super long and the wheelbase is short. The only way I could skate it was with my heaviest trucks(ace 44) and biggest wheels(55mm) in order to make it feel normal.
I ended up cutting it into an egg shape with 6.5" tails. Still feels best on ace trucks with 52-50mm wheels.
As a reference, I usually ride the 8.25 ishod twin with thunder titaniums and 51mm wheels, so super light.
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Does anybody in this thread have experience with the Creature 8.8 Twin Tail?
I want to size up from my 8.3 Ishod, but feel the options are limited and I'm a bit intrigued looking at the short wheelbase and the shape... But I also dont have any experience with Creature in terms of quality.
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Does anybody in this thread have experience with the Creature 8.8 Twin Tail?
I want to size up from my 8.3 Ishod, but feel the options are limited and I'm a bit intrigued looking at the short wheelbase and the shape... But I also dont have any experience with Creature in terms of quality.
I used to get Creature twins a while back for a guy who loved them, especially the 8.8 size and they lasted forever for him.
They were the Evillive series - can go forwards or backwards and still the same word / deck.
Not sure about any nowdays as I hadn't seen Creature twins in a while, but they are strong stiff wood and people who skate them for those reasons like them.
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I’ve been skating the Ishod Comfort 8.5 for a bit.
It felt good the first few sessions but I’m starting to have some complaints.
The double tails feel short and they seem pretty mellow.
I realize I’ve been missing my flick more often then not.
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Does anybody in this thread have experience with the Creature 8.8 Twin Tail?
I want to size up from my 8.3 Ishod, but feel the options are limited and I'm a bit intrigued looking at the short wheelbase and the shape... But I also dont have any experience with Creature in terms of quality.
I used to get Creature twins a while back for a guy who loved them, especially the 8.8 size and they lasted forever for him.
They were the Evillive series - can go forwards or backwards and still the same word / deck.
Not sure about any nowdays as I hadn't seen Creature twins in a while, but they are strong stiff wood and people who skate them for those reasons like them.
Damn those Evilive decks look great but cant be found in europe... thanks anyway for the info!
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I’ve been skating the Ishod Comfort 8.5 for a bit.
It felt good the first few sessions but I’m starting to have some complaints.
The double tails feel short and they seem pretty mellow.
I realize I’ve been missing my flick more often then not.
Hm, according to this thread you're not the only one, whos not really convinced about the Ishod 8.5.
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I’ve been skating the Ishod Comfort 8.5 for a bit.
It felt good the first few sessions but I’m starting to have some complaints.
The double tails feel short and they seem pretty mellow.
I realize I’ve been missing my flick more often then not.
Hm, according to this thread you're not the only one, whos not really convinced about the Ishod 8.5.
It is funny cause the one 8.5 Ishod twin is still sitting here in shrink.
The other normal 8.5 BBS wood boards with almost the same shape and 6.75 length tail and same 14.5 wheelbase just work for me (with a 7.2 or so nose) so it is not that different all up, but comparing them and standing on both side by side, I always put the Ishod twin back in a box.
For those who want a more pointy DLX standard tail, you can always try to shave a bit off each shoulder, but at the end of the day, I don't want to have to change a board when I have others that work without having to do that to them.
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Yah, I skated the 8.25 ishod on thunder 144’s….I’ve done it a couple times and would do again. Lower truck, works well on the shorter medium nose but the wheelbase feels huge….I wanna try the crob…I’m skating ventures now and I like light….
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Thanks again to Glider for the generosity. Shipping was super quick and packaging really professional. My only advice would be to work on some cooler graphics and clean up the Instagram :) Not trying to hate, and understand trying to build support and inclusion, but not trying to see 12 year old skatepark kids on the feed. Maybe work on getting a solid team/promo together, and work on brand cohesion and identity. I really think you could corner a segment of the market with offering TT in a variety of sizes. Right now seems like the only other 8” offering is through Real, and I don’t really fuck with them.
Just curious, but is the name “Glider” a reference to the My Bloody Valentine EP? If so, really sick as I am a big Shoegaze head.
Thanks for the feedback, and yes, I agree with you. We're planning to build a solid team later this year and will do our best to fine-tune our brand identity. And yup, the name is inspired by the mbv ep!
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Hello!
First message on the Slap Forums.
Just ordered a Chocolate Twin Chunk 8.25 with some Film 5.25 and 54mm F4 99a Classics Full (Repeaters).
Can't wait to put all that stuff together and try it out!
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Hello!
First message on the Slap Forums.
Just ordered a Chocolate Twin Chunk 8.25 with some Film 5.25 and 54mm F4 99a Classics Full (Repeaters).
Can't wait to put all that stuff together and try it out!
Congrats it’s a great board imo
Was my first twin tail so I don’t have a reference or comparison in that regard, but I was waiting for a twin tail with a short wb so this made sense
I came from the hockey/fa 8.38s (short tail, massive steep nose) and after the first session of slightly adjusting it felt awesome for me. I enjoy the extra room in the tail and it doesn’t feel weird or off to me at all. Especially tailslides feel better than ever on this one. And I’m not missing having a regular nose either, imo they nailed it with the "twin paddle"
Are you doing all new trucks or old w/ new bushings or something? I went with new bushings and pivot cups but it doesn’t feel 100% even but negligible
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Independent 144 titaniums
Spitfire 54 f4 97a classics/ 56 f4 99a conical fulls
Has anyone been skating the new Crob Twin tail from chocolate?, I am wondering how it compares to other twin tails right now
Quoted, don’t know if still relevant
Does anybody in this thread have experience with the Creature 8.8 Twin Tail?
I want to size up from my 8.3 Ishod, but feel the options are limited and I'm a bit intrigued looking at the short wheelbase and the shape... But I also dont have any experience with Creature in terms of quality.
I don’t have the 8.8 twin but I do have a regular 8.8 creature (see egg shaped thread), iirc the dims were very similar on those two
I do really like it but it’s a very short board, can be a bit squirrely, especially on transition imo
I liked the creature wood, held up very well and it’s super stiff and stays that way, some people don’t like that, I did
Maybe look at the heroin symmetrical eggs for something bigger as well, the 9.25 is my next board
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Been riding my Glider 8” twin tail that I was lucky enough to get for 50% off for being a Slap pal.
I really dig it. At first the wood was a little heavier/denser than I was used to, but got used to it pretty quickly. Definitely quality wood, but maybe 20% heavier than a typical board. This is really my only complaint, as I’m getting older I’m trying to keep boards light as possible. Real nice pop, still feels good after 10 or so sessions
This board has done wonders for doing pop shovs in and out of grinds. That’s my go to trick, and honestly the reason I was interested in the twin tail. Just easier for me to comfortably catch certain tricks, especially going in and out of grinds. Also, my kick flips and heel flips have never felt better. I think having that little bit of flatter nose helps tremendously to get a proper flick off the board.
It may be subtle, but not having to turn the board constantly or when riding switch (my very limited switch game that is) is also a game changer. The only thing I realized was having the K grind notch in my truck is obviously an advantage, so It’s still nice to know where the front truck is.
These boards really have a future in skateboarding in my opinion. It didn’t at all limit my current bad of tricks, and helped me doing certain tricks quite a bit easier. The natural symmetry feels a lot cleaner too, but hard to explain.
Thanks again to Glider for the generosity. Shipping was super quick and packaging really professional. My only advice would be to work on some cooler graphics and clean up the Instagram :) Not trying to hate, and understand trying to build support and inclusion, but not trying to see 12 year old skatepark kids on the feed. Maybe work on getting a solid team/promo together, and work on brand cohesion and identity. I really think you could corner a segment of the market with offering TT in a variety of sizes. Right now seems like the only other 8” offering is through Real, and I don’t really fuck with them.
Just curious, but is the name “Glider” a reference to the My Bloody Valentine EP? If so, really sick as I am a big Shoegaze head.
Great review! Thank you for taking the time to write that. I personally love TT’s and if I ever size down from the 9”+ setups that I currently skate, I will check out a Glider for sure. Good luck with your endeavor @Paul_Glider Skateboards
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Congrats it’s a great board imo
Was my first twin tail so I don’t have a reference or comparison in that regard, but I was waiting for a twin tail with a short wb so this made sense
I came from the hockey/fa 8.38s (short tail, massive steep nose) and after the first session of slightly adjusting it felt awesome for me. I enjoy the extra room in the tail and it doesn’t feel weird or off to me at all. Especially tailslides feel better than ever on this one. And I’m not missing having a regular nose either, imo they nailed it with the "twin paddle"
Are you doing all new trucks or old w/ new bushings or something? I went with new bushings and pivot cups but it doesn’t feel 100% even but negligible
(https://i.imgur.com/eE4N9RR_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Independent 144 titaniums
Spitfire 54 f4 97a classics/ 56 f4 99a conical fulls
Thanks for your feedback, and nice set-ups.
I especialy ordered new Film 5.25 (8") trucks, first because I only have some old Ventures 5 on my current deck (so really narrower than a 8.25" board) and secondly because I was advised reading this forum that it is really better to start "from scratch" with a double "thing" type set-up to have the most possible neutral behavior.
I hesitated between this Chunk and the Owlien Twin because they both have these quite long nose'ish tip, but I thought the width (and maybe the lenght) of the AWS could be a bit too much for me.
As an "old" 7.5"/7.8" boards skater from the late 90s/early 00s who barely skated since that time, this kind of large twin set-up will be really all new to me. Quite excited. :)
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Has anyone been skating the new Crob Twin tail from chocolate?, I am wondering how it compares to other twin tails right now
I haven't skated other twin shapes so I can't help with a comparison but I've been skating the 8.25 Crob for a while now. I definitely said it a few pages back but it's currently my favorite shape I've skated. The boards I skated prior were the same dimensions (wheelbase, length, nose size, etc) except the tail. But I had no trouble adjusting to a slightly wider tail. I did buy an additional two decks to keep on ice just in case they end up being back ordered/ discontinued in the future.
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If I rock my trucks the exact same tightness front and rear on a normal board would I notice much going to a twin tail? I’m curious to try one out again prob a Krooked 8.3, but my trucks still have tons of life left and I don’t want new ones.
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If I rock my trucks the exact same tightness front and rear on a normal board would I notice much going to a twin tail? I’m curious to try one out again prob a Krooked 8.3, but my trucks still have tons of life left and I don’t want new ones.
I think you'd probably notice a difference from one side to the other, weither that bothers you is up to you, maybe try riding your board backwards the next session and see how the trucks feel
I'd recommend just getting fresh bushings, worked for me
The way @solex did it is probably ideal
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I did buy an additional two decks to keep on ice just in case they end up being back ordered/ discontinued in the future.
Anyway it seems that Crailtap want to spread that shape a little bit.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_KT-ghPKbk
[crystal ball]
Personaly I think that that type of twin shape is the near future of skateboarding and could represent 50% of the popsicle market in like 5 years or so.
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If I rock my trucks the exact same tightness front and rear on a normal board would I notice much going to a twin tail? I’m curious to try one out again prob a Krooked 8.3, but my trucks still have tons of life left and I don’t want new ones.
I think you'd probably notice a difference from one side to the other, weither that bothers you is up to you, maybe try riding your board backwards the next session and see how the trucks feel
I'd recommend just getting fresh bushings, worked for me
The way @Solex did it is probably ideal
I’ve got spare bushings so that’s not a problem really. I’ve skated my tail switch and like that it hits quicker for switch Ollie’s.
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Twin is the truth. I hope those shapes stick around because I can‘t imagine going back. Well for the time being I still have 3 Neen twin noses in my stash.
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If I rock my trucks the exact same tightness front and rear on a normal board would I notice much going to a twin tail? I’m curious to try one out again prob a Krooked 8.3, but my trucks still have tons of life left and I don’t want new ones.
No matter what i still have a nose and tail, even with fresh bushings or trucks or whatever, I’ve been riding the 8.3 krooked/real for the last four or five boards, I like how mellow it is, and it definitely helps when doing switch stuff for me cause it’s not as big as a nose as other boards, feels like it flips a bit quicker, but yea I love that board
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Twin is the truth. I hope those shapes stick around because I can‘t imagine going back. Well for the time being I still have 3 Neen twin noses in my stash.
I think the increased popularity in twin shapes means they are definitely here to stay.
Can't see them taking over from traditional shapes, but I think twin concave would be something that might be more worthwhile, given some molds have a definite nose and tail angle, all for relevant reasons, but having identical concave would mean that boards can be cut as twin or traditional shapes and still perform the same from either end.
Just my thoughts anyway.
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Twin is the truth. I hope those shapes stick around because I can‘t imagine going back. Well for the time being I still have 3 Neen twin noses in my stash.
I think the increased popularity in twin shapes means they are definitely here to stay.
Can't see them taking over from traditional shapes, but I think twin concave would be something that might be more worthwhile, given some molds have a definite nose and tail angle, all for relevant reasons, but having identical concave would mean that boards can be cut as twin or traditional shapes and still perform the same from either end.
Just my thoughts anyway.
Agree with that too. There is absolutely a demand, but cant see it taking over the mainstream.
Thank you guys for the kind words, honest feedback, and being open to our promotion. If anyone is interested in testing out our boards for 50% off of in exchange for a review here, DM us on IG.
We're working on our art direction in the meantime and will be doing our due diligence to work with more skaters too.
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Twin is the truth. I hope those shapes stick around because I can‘t imagine going back. Well for the time being I still have 3 Neen twin noses in my stash.
I think the increased popularity in twin shapes means they are definitely here to stay.
Can't see them taking over from traditional shapes, but I think twin concave would be something that might be more worthwhile, given some molds have a definite nose and tail angle, all for relevant reasons, but having identical concave would mean that boards can be cut as twin or traditional shapes and still perform the same from either end.
Just my thoughts anyway.
Agree with that too. There is absolutely a demand, but cant see it taking over the mainstream.
Thank you guys for the kind words, honest feedback, and being open to our promotion. If anyone is interested in testing out our boards for 50% off of in exchange for a review here, DM us on IG.
We're working on our art direction in the meantime and will be doing our due diligence to work with more skaters too.
Curious to see the state of the market in 5 to 10 years.
Anyway.
G069 incoming tomorrow, and 10 years (10 f*%#@£g years...sh!t) since my last griptape job. Will be an intersting moment for sure. :D
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Twin is the truth. I hope those shapes stick around because I can‘t imagine going back. Well for the time being I still have 3 Neen twin noses in my stash.
I think the increased popularity in twin shapes means they are definitely here to stay.
Can't see them taking over from traditional shapes, but I think twin concave would be something that might be more worthwhile, given some molds have a definite nose and tail angle, all for relevant reasons, but having identical concave would mean that boards can be cut as twin or traditional shapes and still perform the same from either end.
Just my thoughts anyway.
Agree with that too. There is absolutely a demand, but cant see it taking over the mainstream.
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Anyway.
G069 incoming tomorrow, and 10 years (10 f*%#@£g years...sh!t) since my last griptape job. Will be an intersting moment for sure. :D
I think what will dictate the shapes will be what the pros ride and end up doing. Ishod, arguably the best skater right now riding a twin tail was a big step
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I think what will dictate the shapes will be what the pros ride and end up doing. Ishod, arguably the best skater right now (fight me!) riding a twin tail was big for this movement
For sure, and that's why I think the twin shapes will become the new standard soon. Ishod, Neen, Foy, Crob, Malto it seems, (and more?) have there symmetrical promodels, and as I understood Suciu now rides the Owlien shape exclusively. It seems pretty contagious in all pro's generations. To me the different nose and tail thing that remains nowadays is more an old heritage from the primitive eras than a real technical feature. But don't get me wrong, I LOVE the skateboard as it was and as it is. I just think it's the time for a new evolution. Nothing more.
Anyway...other than that, I don't really like Ishod's skateboarding...should I be banned for that? Well, I will see. :D
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Finally tried out the 8.25 Crob this morning. To be honest, I barely skated the last few years, it was my only session in a while, and my long thin legs were incredibly lazy, so this is probably not the most reliable opinion.
On a side note, coming from the 7.5"/7.75" boards era, it's the first time I have an 8.25". I would say that the extra width is finally not too much for my 12/12.5 shoes and was quite enjoyable.
Anyway. About the twin shape, I never really had the feeling that I kicked a nose in normal stance. It's more like a long tail, maybe...it didn't feels strange at all, and I just had more room for my back foot positioning. In fact, I always felt my tails a bit too short with standard shaped boards, so I really appreciated it. Can't wait to try out some tailslides! As a front tip it just feels like a classic nose without any weirdness, nothing more, nothing less. Flip tricks and noseslides just felt good.
I thought the steepness was really on point, not too steep, not too flat, just the right amount to match a nose and a tail...
Honestly the weirdest thing about that board is that you don't have to bother the way you ride it.
At this point I can't say that I'll never go back to a standard nose/tail shape, but I have a really good overall impression so far.
EDIT : a (almost) new twin in the wild - AWS Frankie Spears, based on the original Owlien Twin it seems, 8.375" and 8.5".
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/frankie-revelation-8-375-8-5?_pos=1&_sid=595b573e4&_ss=r
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Has anyone tried an 8.3 ishod twin tail w/ venture 5.2 hi or 5.2 lo?
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Posted in the woodshop thread but Habitat's latest Mark Suciu in 8.38 is supposed to be a TT (8.375 X 32.25 WB 14.375 - Proprietary symmetrical shape)
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/suciu-soty-8-25-8-375
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Posted in the woodshop thread but Habitat's latest Mark Suciu in 8.38 is supposed to be a TT (8.375 X 32.25 WB 14.375 - Proprietary symmetrical shape)
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/suciu-soty-8-25-8-375
Interesting they first had the Owlien twin, now they have specific boards for team riders in the same twin shape, this one and as Solex said earlier for the AWS brand, there is the Spears board.
Guessing it was popular, but I wonder do those guys ride that board, or is it just put out with their name on it?
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Posted in the woodshop thread but Habitat's latest Mark Suciu in 8.38 is supposed to be a TT (8.375 X 32.25 WB 14.375 - Proprietary symmetrical shape)
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/suciu-soty-8-25-8-375
The machine is in motion. :D
A slightly more compact version of this shape (width/lenght/wb) would be very interesting though.
EDIT : Suciu's model is also avaliable in 8.25" width, so with the Spears's model we now have 8.25"/8.375"/8.5" width. /!\ Only 8.375" models are symmetrical! /!\
EDIT 2 : Habitat Apex Bold Twin 8.375", same symmetrical shape. (Already spotted?)
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-8-25?_pos=1&_sid=32616cead&_ss=r
Guessing it was popular, but I wonder do those guys ride that board, or is it just put out with their name on it?
I read around here that it became the Suciu's 'go to' shape. No clue about Spears though...
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Posted in the woodshop thread but Habitat's latest Mark Suciu in 8.38 is supposed to be a TT (8.375 X 32.25 WB 14.375 - Proprietary symmetrical shape)
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/suciu-soty-8-25-8-375
A slightly more compact version of this shape (width/lenght/wb) would be very interesting though.
EDIT : Suciu's model is also avaliable in 8.25" width, so with the Spears's model we now have 8.25"/8.375"/8.5" width.
EDIT 2 : Habitat Apex Bold Twin 8.375", same symmetrical shape. (Already spotted?)
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-8-25?_pos=1&_sid=32616cead&_ss=r
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Guessing it was popular, but I wonder do those guys ride that board, or is it just put out with their name on it?
I think the story is that Spears was riding that twin shape already, Suciu tried his board around a year or so ago and started riding it since.
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I think the story is that Spears was riding that twin shape already, Suciu tried his board around a year or so ago and started riding it since.
Oh okay!
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Posted in the woodshop thread but Habitat's latest Mark Suciu in 8.38 is supposed to be a TT (8.375 X 32.25 WB 14.375 - Proprietary symmetrical shape)
https://habitatskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/suciu-soty-8-25-8-375
A slightly more compact version of this shape (width/lenght/wb) would be very interesting though.
EDIT : Suciu's model is also avaliable in 8.25" width, so with the Spears's model we now have 8.25"/8.375"/8.5" width.
EDIT 2 : Habitat Apex Bold Twin 8.375", same symmetrical shape. (Already spotted?)
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-8-25?_pos=1&_sid=32616cead&_ss=r
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Guessing it was popular, but I wonder do those guys ride that board, or is it just put out with their name on it?
I think the story is that Spears was riding that twin shape already, Suciu tried his board around a year or so ago and started riding it since.
Thanks.
Seems like a familiar story with Bobby Worrest riding an Ishod board and then saying "I'll have one of those too" or something similar.
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Every now and again I will email SS asking for the aws square 8.25 as a twin, they never respond ;)
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Cross post from the Egg thread, but could also be in the twin thread with this series.
Not sure if any people who frequent this thread / regular twin riders would go this big, but it is interesting to see them coming out more frequently in these shapes and sizes too.
Fos always lists the width over the trucks in the catalog and the Curb Killer is 9.5:
https://heroin.myshopify.com/pages/summer-2022-catalog
It definitely makes it easier with those extra details.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/1261/files/Symmetrical_Eggs_Page_6.png)
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^^ I still have my symmetrical egg =D
8.75" trucks for that 9.25" BTW.
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Not sure if any people who frequent this thread / regular twin riders would go this big, but it is interesting to see them coming out more frequently in these shapes and sizes too.
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Fos always lists the width over the trucks in the catalog and the Curb Killer is 9.5:
https://heroin.myshopify.com/pages/summer-2022-catalog
It definitely makes it easier with those extra details.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/1261/files/Symmetrical_Eggs_Page_6.png)
I have been eyeballing those. Would it be too much of a magic carpet riding the smaller one with 149s?
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Cross post from the Egg thread, but could also be in the twin thread with this series.
Not sure if any people who frequent this thread / regular twin riders would go this big, but it is interesting to see them coming out more frequently in these shapes and sizes too.
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Fos always lists the width over the trucks in the catalog and the Curb Killer is 9.5:
https://heroin.myshopify.com/pages/summer-2022-catalog
It definitely makes it easier with those extra details.
I have been eyeballing those. Would it be too much of a magic carpet riding the smaller one with 149s?
For some, it might be a bit too much under, but it also depends on what width wheels and putting all washers on the inside too.
They have another one (not a twin) I posted a pic of from the catalog in the egg thread that is 8.9 wide and 8.5 over the truck area, just in case that would be more suitable. Link here:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100279.msg3756254#msg3756254
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Cross post from the Egg thread, but could also be in the twin thread with this series.
Not sure if any people who frequent this thread / regular twin riders would go this big, but it is interesting to see them coming out more frequently in these shapes and sizes too.
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Fos always lists the width over the trucks in the catalog and the Curb Killer is 9.5:
https://heroin.myshopify.com/pages/summer-2022-catalog
It definitely makes it easier with those extra details.
I have been eyeballing those. Would it be too much of a magic carpet riding the smaller one with 149s?
For some, it might be a bit too much under, but it also depends on what width wheels and putting all washers on the inside too.
They have another one (not a twin) I posted a pic of from the catalog in the egg thread that is 8.9 wide and 8.5 over the truck area, just in case that would be more suitable. Link here:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100279.msg3756254#msg3756254
Cheers bro.
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As per post from @Mcidraque in other threads:
never had a twin tip before but these new girl shapes seem tempting (8,25 and 8,5) both in 14" wb
https://crailstore.ca/collections/girl-skateboards-decks/products/girl-skateboards-sean-malto-double-og-twin-tip-deck-8-5
https://crailstore.ca/collections/girl-skateboards-decks/products/girl-skateboarding-sean-malto-double-og-twin-tip-deck-8-25
Interesting they call them "twin tips" too, like they are longer than twin tails but not quite twin noses, so twin tips seems to work well.
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Don't know if you guys have peeped any of these new "twin tips", but as a fan of the G052 shape the 8.25" seems to be pretty much the same (dimensions wise). Would love to hear opinions in case any of you have skated one. Cheers!
https://crailstore.ca/collections/girl-skateboards-decks/products/girl-skateboarding-sean-malto-double-og-twin-tip-deck-8-25
(link to the g052 shape for reference)
https://crailtap.com/shapes/#g052
I’m also curious. Is this the same shape as the chocolate Chris roberts twin shape?
I am guessing it would be going by those dimensions and being an existing shape / size, but don't know for sure.
Yes - same shape number too, so that would be a YES.
A new twin-tip deck from your friends at Girl.
G069
8.25" x 31.875"
Wheelbase: 14"
Nose: 6.84"
Tail: 6.84"
Roberts Twin Chunk Black Deck
$65.00
G069:
8.25" x 31.875"
Wheelbase: 14"
Nose: 6.84"
Tail: 6.84"
G096:
8.5" x 31.875"
Wheelbase: 14"
Nose: 6.84"
Tail: 6.84"
https://crailstore.com/search?q=twin+deck
https://crailstore.ca/search?q=twin
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I shared this video on the thread a month ago, but it wasn't on the crailstore at this time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_KT-ghPKbk
G069 and G096 not yet referenced in the shape guide though.
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Picked up the 8.375" Suciu twin.
Kicks are long and squared (but not crazy) + the 32.25" just makes it feel like a long narrow plank.
It's not what I'm after. But it works for Mark and might work for you!
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Picked up the 8.375" Suciu twin.
Kicks are long and squared (but not crazy) + the 32.25" just makes it feel like a long narrow plank.
It's not what I'm after. But it works for Mark and might work for you!
Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
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Picked up the 8.375" Suciu twin.
Kicks are long and squared (but not crazy) + the 32.25" just makes it feel like a long narrow plank.
It's not what I'm after. But it works for Mark and might work for you!
Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
The AWS Owlien Twin and the Habita Apex/Suciu SOTY (8.375 size only) are all twins. Definitely twin noses and not tails like the Ishod (or the even the Foy which feels more like a hybrid and still my favorite twin so far. Would like it even more at 8.3); if you threw on a kick from an Ishod and one from the Hab/AWS you'd have a regular directional nose/tail board.
I'd probably be able to hang with the shape if it were shorter (shrinking the kicks a bit).
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
I can't really say about the AWS/Habitat shape (Suciu/Spears), but the Crob/Malto twin I ride currently is a pretty perfect nose/tail hybrid in my opinion.
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quasi twin tails in the new drop, bbs pressed
8.125
31.8/14.0wb
8.375
31.75/14.25wb
8.125 pictured
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM2j05D/24823-CEC-A648-4672-80-B4-84957467-AC20.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BCnp9bM)
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quasi twin tails in the new drop, bbs pressed
8.125
31.8/14.0wb
8.375
31.75/14.25wb
8.125 pictured
(https://i.ibb.co/ZM2j05D/24823-CEC-A648-4672-80-B4-84957467-AC20.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BCnp9bM)
Goddamn
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quasi twin tails in the new drop, bbs pressed
8.125
31.8/14.0wb
8.375
31.75/14.25wb
Nice. I'd be curious to see real world measures though, seems odd that the wider 8.375 has a 1/4" longer wheelbase than the 8.125 yet is listed as 0.05 shorter overall... That would mean it has shorter tails or that, like what seems like 90% of board companies, the listed numbers are wrong.
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Man, a quasi 8.25 twin proto would have been killer.
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Goddamn this 8.375 is going to be my first quasi deck for sure
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The Quasi looks nice, how deep/shallow ist the concave?
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quasi twin tails in the new drop, bbs pressed
8.125
31.8/14.0wb
8.375
31.75/14.25wb
Nice. I'd be curious to see real world measures though, seems odd that the wider 8.375 has a 1/4" longer wheelbase than the 8.125 yet is listed as 0.05 shorter overall... That would mean it has shorter tails or that, like what seems like 90% of board companies, the listed numbers are wrong.
these are bbs pressed and they are reliable with length vs ps
with my board being 31.75, id say the eye test was accurate
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quasi twin tails in the new drop, bbs pressed
8.125
31.8/14.0wb
8.375
31.75/14.25wb
Nice. I'd be curious to see real world measures though, seems odd that the wider 8.375 has a 1/4" longer wheelbase than the 8.125 yet is listed as 0.05 shorter overall... That would mean it has shorter tails or that, like what seems like 90% of board companies, the listed numbers are wrong.
with my board being 31.75, id say the eye test was accurate
Good to know... I'm not too familiar with Quasis, how is the concave on these things?
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My experience with Quasi [proto...quasimodo) is they are about 1/4" + shorter than listed. So the listed 32.125" is always around 31.875" (which is perfect!)
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
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The Quasi looks nice, how deep/shallow ist the concave?
Probably too early to tell but given the 8.375 Quasi are not squared off, one can assume this one isn't either?
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
Looks fun.
You skated the 161s yet? Wide thunders are fun for me
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The Quasi looks nice, how deep/shallow ist the concave?
Probably too early to tell but given the 8.375 Quasi are not squared off, one can assume this one isn't either?
I'll have the Quasi 8.375 Twin this week, I'll post back with measures, what the concave compares to and a decent picture from the top.
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
Looks fun.
You skated the 161s yet? Wide thunders are fun for me
Yep, had the 161s on a few boards off an on (symm egg). Problem is wheelbite for me :\ rode some thunders today, wheebite city...shelved that board and hopped on the mindy indy setup..way less wheebite. I'm too sketchy for thunders lol....but man that pop is on point.
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
Looks fun.
You skated the 161s yet? Wide thunders are fun for me
Yep, had the 161s on a few boards off an on (symm egg). Problem is wheelbite for me :\ rode some thunders today, wheebite city...shelved that board and hopped on the mindy indy setup..way less wheebite. I'm too sketchy for thunders lol....but man that pop is on point.
have you tried ventures?
i had the same issues with thunders until i switched over
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
Looks fun.
You skated the 161s yet? Wide thunders are fun for me
Yep, had the 161s on a few boards off an on (symm egg). Problem is wheelbite for me :\ rode some thunders today, wheebite city...shelved that board and hopped on the mindy indy setup..way less wheebite. I'm too sketchy for thunders lol....but man that pop is on point.
i had the same issues with thunders until i switched over
I did when the 5.6 ti dropped - I wasn't a fan, even with extensive tinkering - I still have two pairs of unground 'lites' hollow pin, solid axle on my kids board, they just roll around no grinds.
I'm still eyeing this deck and only the 161s I have on hand would fit, tho I could go 8.75 but that's too magic carpet for me.
honestly, polars with wheels well work the best for me on thunders (team plates)...the wells help so much.
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy like Xen Suggested or try try out the chocolate twins
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
If I could, I most certainly would; I'd drop both kicks down enough to bring the deck length from 32.25" to 31.88" - basically matching up with the Foy but squared tips and steep!
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Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
Top view:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hg9FcqX/IMG-2602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg9FcqX)
Top view compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5gr7YK/IMG-2601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gr7YK)
Concave compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail with a III concave:
(https://i.ibb.co/jgjxnRJ/IMG-2605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgjxnRJ)
Basically, it seems very close to the 8.3 DLX but with a shorter wheelbase and overall length. The tails are maybe a tad less pointy but not by much. Seems nice and maybe a good option for those who's only complaint about the DLX is that the wheelbase is too long. Not being a slick, it's also noticably lighter.
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Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
My experience with Quasi [proto...quasimodo) is they are about 1/4" + shorter than listed. So the listed 32.125" is always around 31.875" (which is perfect!)
Excellent.
Top view:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hg9FcqX/IMG-2602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg9FcqX)
Top view compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5gr7YK/IMG-2601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gr7YK)
Concave compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail with a III concave:
(https://i.ibb.co/jgjxnRJ/IMG-2605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgjxnRJ)
Basically, it seems very close to the 8.3 DLX but with a shorter wheelbase and overall length. The tails are maybe a tad less pointy but not by much. Seems nice and maybe a good option for those who's only complaint about the DLX is that the wheelbase is too long. Not being a slick, it's also noticeably lighter.
Would you say the kicks are fuller?
I'm sold. Thanks for the measurements!
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Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
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My experience with Quasi [proto...quasimodo) is they are about 1/4" + shorter than listed. So the listed 32.125" is always around 31.875" (which is perfect!)
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Top view:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hg9FcqX/IMG-2602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg9FcqX)
Top view compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5gr7YK/IMG-2601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gr7YK)
Concave compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail with a III concave:
(https://i.ibb.co/jgjxnRJ/IMG-2605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgjxnRJ)
Basically, it seems very close to the 8.3 DLX but with a shorter wheelbase and overall length. The tails are maybe a tad less pointy but not by much. Seems nice and maybe a good option for those who's only complaint about the DLX is that the wheelbase is too long. Not being a slick, it's also noticeably lighter.
Would you say the kicks are fuller?
I'm sold. Thanks for the measurements!
A little bit fuller yes, but not by much, very subtly so.
Personally I love the shape but that's coming from someone who doesn't like too square or too full shapes and from someone who loves the Ishod/Worrest 8.3's shape, tail lengths and steepness. The DLX wheelbase is at the upper limit of acceptable for me though (Thunder fan here).
The Foy has a nice wheelbase and I'm okay with the 8.5 width, but I find the kicks a bit too long and mellow, I have one setup that I'll try with slightly bigger wheels than I usually use. But this Quasi might be the best of both Worlds for me.
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Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
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My experience with Quasi [proto...quasimodo) is they are about 1/4" + shorter than listed. So the listed 32.125" is always around 31.875" (which is perfect!)
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Top view:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hg9FcqX/IMG-2602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg9FcqX)
Top view compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5gr7YK/IMG-2601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gr7YK)
Concave compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail with a III concave:
(https://i.ibb.co/jgjxnRJ/IMG-2605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgjxnRJ)
Basically, it seems very close to the 8.3 DLX but with a shorter wheelbase and overall length. The tails are maybe a tad less pointy but not by much. Seems nice and maybe a good option for those who's only complaint about the DLX is that the wheelbase is too long. Not being a slick, it's also noticeably lighter.
Would you say the kicks are fuller?
I'm sold. Thanks for the measurements!
A little bit fuller yes, but not by much, very subtly so.
Personally I love the shape but that's coming from someone who doesn't like too square or too full shapes and from someone who loves the Ishod/Worrest 8.3's shape, tail lengths and steepness. The DLX wheelbase is at the upper limit of acceptable for me though (Thunder fan here).
The Foy has a nice wheelbase and I'm okay with the 8.5 width, but I find the kicks a bit too long and mellow, I have one setup that I'll try with slightly bigger wheels than I usually use. But this Quasi might be the best of both Worlds for me.
I think the Foy is great for an 8.5 twin, wouldn't change a thing; I agree with you that the kicks are very mellow, after playing around on the suciu twin and a SC slick (non-twin), the foy felt damn near flat.
The main thing I disliked about the DLX twin was the WB but only because of the kick length being short with a long wheel base and deck length (the Suciu with kicks being too long with a long wb)
I'm very particular about my 8.3s and there are so few out there worth anything; they are either too big of a WB and nose or the tails are too short (Crail/PlanB...most PSTix too).
Nice to have more options out there, especially in the 8.3 space...as there's only two!
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Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
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My experience with Quasi [proto...quasimodo) is they are about 1/4" + shorter than listed. So the listed 32.125" is always around 31.875" (which is perfect!)
Excellent.
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Top view:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hg9FcqX/IMG-2602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg9FcqX)
Top view compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5gr7YK/IMG-2601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gr7YK)
Concave compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail with a III concave:
(https://i.ibb.co/jgjxnRJ/IMG-2605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgjxnRJ)
Basically, it seems very close to the 8.3 DLX but with a shorter wheelbase and overall length. The tails are maybe a tad less pointy but not by much. Seems nice and maybe a good option for those who's only complaint about the DLX is that the wheelbase is too long. Not being a slick, it's also noticeably lighter.
Would you say the kicks are fuller?
I'm sold. Thanks for the measurements!
A little bit fuller yes, but not by much, very subtly so.
Personally I love the shape but that's coming from someone who doesn't like too square or too full shapes and from someone who loves the Ishod/Worrest 8.3's shape, tail lengths and steepness. The DLX wheelbase is at the upper limit of acceptable for me though (Thunder fan here).
The Foy has a nice wheelbase and I'm okay with the 8.5 width, but I find the kicks a bit too long and mellow, I have one setup that I'll try with slightly bigger wheels than I usually use. But this Quasi might be the best of both Worlds for me.
I think the Foy is great for an 8.5 twin, wouldn't change a thing; I agree with you that the kicks are very mellow, after playing around on the suciu twin and a SC slick (non-twin), the foy felt damn near flat.
The main thing I disliked about the DLX twin was the WB but only because of the kick length being short with a long wheel base and deck length (the Suciu with kicks being too long with a long wb)
I'm very particular about my 8.3s and there are so few out there worth anything; they are either too big of a WB and nose or the tails are too short (Crail/PlanB...most PSTix too).
Nice to have more options out there, especially in the 8.3 space...as there's only two!
I agree the Foy is still very nice even with the mellow kicks, it's the best 8.5 twin and very skateable as is, despite the mellowness. I have Thunder Ti Lights on it, maybe swapping the forged baseplates for the higher cast ones might make the mellowness more acceptable... and a better idea than having too big wheels for the height of Thunders...
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Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
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My experience with Quasi [proto...quasimodo) is they are about 1/4" + shorter than listed. So the listed 32.125" is always around 31.875" (which is perfect!)
Excellent.
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Top view:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hg9FcqX/IMG-2602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg9FcqX)
Top view compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5gr7YK/IMG-2601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gr7YK)
Concave compared to a DLX 8.3 Twin Tail with a III concave:
(https://i.ibb.co/jgjxnRJ/IMG-2605.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgjxnRJ)
Basically, it seems very close to the 8.3 DLX but with a shorter wheelbase and overall length. The tails are maybe a tad less pointy but not by much. Seems nice and maybe a good option for those who's only complaint about the DLX is that the wheelbase is too long. Not being a slick, it's also noticeably lighter.
Would you say the kicks are fuller?
I'm sold. Thanks for the measurements!
A little bit fuller yes, but not by much, very subtly so.
Personally I love the shape but that's coming from someone who doesn't like too square or too full shapes and from someone who loves the Ishod/Worrest 8.3's shape, tail lengths and steepness. The DLX wheelbase is at the upper limit of acceptable for me though (Thunder fan here).
The Foy has a nice wheelbase and I'm okay with the 8.5 width, but I find the kicks a bit too long and mellow, I have one setup that I'll try with slightly bigger wheels than I usually use. But this Quasi might be the best of both Worlds for me.
I think the Foy is great for an 8.5 twin, wouldn't change a thing; I agree with you that the kicks are very mellow, after playing around on the suciu twin and a SC slick (non-twin), the foy felt damn near flat.
The main thing I disliked about the DLX twin was the WB but only because of the kick length being short with a long wheel base and deck length (the Suciu with kicks being too long with a long wb)
I'm very particular about my 8.3s and there are so few out there worth anything; they are either too big of a WB and nose or the tails are too short (Crail/PlanB...most PSTix too).
Nice to have more options out there, especially in the 8.3 space...as there's only two!
I agree the Foy is still very nice even with the mellow kicks, it's the best 8.5 twin and very skateable as is, despite the mellowness. I have Thunder Ti Lights on it, maybe swapping the forged baseplates for the higher cast ones might make the mellowness more acceptable... and a better idea than having too big wheels for the height of Thunders...
I've got 149 royals on my foy still, perfect (but I think they shine on 14.3x WBs, like indys or ACE do). Thunders worked best on the neen with its 14.25"WB; to me extended WB trucks bring that 14.25WB closer to a 14.3, wheres putting them on a 14.3wb pushed them closer to a 14.5, which is out of my range.
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I don't see a lot of fuzz about the Krooked Bobby Worrest twin tail on here.
If you're looking for shorter kicks, The 8.3 have 6.6" tails, just like the Ishod Monarch 8.25. However, the shape is fuller and the kicks are a bit steeper. The WB is also really short at 14.2".
Definitely my favorite twin so far, so I'm going back for seconds.
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I don't see a lot of fuzz about the Krooked Bobby Worrest twin tail on here.
If you're looking for shorter kicks, The 8.3 have 6.6" tails, just like the Ishod Monarch 8.25. However, the shape is fuller and the kicks are a bit steeper. The WB is also really short at 14.2".
Definitely my favorite twin so far, so I'm going back for seconds.
That’s because it’s the same mold as the Ishod 8.3 that led the way; it’s just sort of assumed everyone wanting a twin knows they’re the same board. It’s mentioned in this thread and has been ridden by many of us.
‘dlx 8.3’ applies to both is all.
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I’ve yet to see a Bobby Twin tail that is different from the Ishod one. All are 8.3 31.9 14.4 6.6
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I’ve yet to see a Bobby Twin tail that is different from the Ishod one. All are 8.3 31.9 14.4 6.6
This. There isn't one with 14.2 wb right?
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I’ve yet to see a Bobby Twin tail that is different from the Ishod one. All are 8.3 31.9 14.4 6.6
This. There isn't one with 14.2 wb right?
Right. There is only one size in the Krooked Worrest Twin and it's always the exact same board as the Ishod 8.3, same mold, same shape, same drilling, same wheelbase, both slicks, they just print different graphics at the end of the manufacturing process. Even the sizing sticker on the Worrest says it's Ishod's shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/m0vjs2G/fdba9ce76fd2c48af3261cd542fda629-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0vjs2G)
They're both 8.3 x 31.9 with 14.4 wb and 6.6 tails as Idk mentionned.
Personally I'm a big fan of Ishod and I love that shape, but I get the Worrest more often as the Ishod usually sells out quicker, probably because he has a bigger fan base and it's more known/public that he skates a twin. Also, not that important but Real graphics are sometimes very nice, sometimes not so nice while I like most graphics made by Gonz.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction more than Real's. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between, especially on Ishod's Twins. Real's art direction is a bit all over the place.
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There is something about the slick the concave and how it feels when you slide it’s nice.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between.
Krooked has some graphics I like, in present times, but their early stuff was a lot more compelling. Sometimes I just fondly think of the Sean Sheffey gest board, apropos of nothing…(I just went a searched for the image and the graphic isn’t amazing, and the one I had was purple, but it just seemed abs felt good/cool at the time).
The new graphics, although nice, can at times, seem sorta creepy with their forgery vibes. I’ve said this before, but toy machine has the same, yet worse, feel to me on this: simplistic graphics that were compelling/interesting, and now seem hollow.
Nostalgia is odd
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction more than Real's. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between, especially on Ishod's Twins. Real's art direction is a bit all over the place.
Totally agree; krooked has the best style out of DLX no doubt. As for REAL, I prefer the basic ogo boards to just about anything they put out (their low pros were pretty sweet back in the day). AH...hit or miss for me, not into the Pigeon nonsense.
There is something about the slick the concave and how it feels when you slide it’s nice.
I'm on a slick now (NHS) and like the (all) DLX slicks, the consistency is what makes them shine, especially if you hit regular spots. Is it magical? No. But you do get a little more slide and a lot less stick. So much so I had to move from 99a to 101/103s to keep up with the slick.
It's also heavier, like it is on every board. Really want to try out the VX Slick once they put it on some better shapes...once cna hope for a VX twin slick in the future :P
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There is something about the slick the concave and how it feels when you slide it’s nice.
I get why Ishod wants the slick all the time, it's a bit weird at first but once you are used to it, it's really nice and more consistant across various types of ledges/rails/curbs and through various states of waxness/broken-in or not... less bad surprises.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between.
Krooked has some graphics I like, in present times, but their early stuff was a lot more compelling. Sometimes I just fondly think of the Sean Sheffey gest board, apropos of nothing…(I just went a searched for the image and the graphic isn’t amazing, and the one I had was purple, but it just seemed abs felt good/cool at the time).
The new graphics, although nice, can at times, seem sorta creepy with their forgery vibes. I’ve said this before, but toy machine has the same, yet worse, feel to me on this: simplistic graphics that were compelling/interesting, and now seem hollow.
Nostalgia is odd
Early graphics were probably made by Gonz more often... I think he still does the guest boards himself but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, the twin tails I buy to skate, not as wall boards, so between two I'll pick the nicer looking one but it's not really that important to me.
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There is something about the slick the concave and how it feels when you slide it’s nice.
I get why Ishod wants the slick all the time, it's a bit weird at first but once you are used to it, it's really nice and more consistant across various types of ledges/rails/curbs and through various states of waxness/broken-in or not... less bad surprises.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between.
Krooked has some graphics I like, in present times, but their early stuff was a lot more compelling. Sometimes I just fondly think of the Sean Sheffey gest board, apropos of nothing…(I just went a searched for the image and the graphic isn’t amazing, and the one I had was purple, but it just seemed abs felt good/cool at the time).
The new graphics, although nice, can at times, seem sorta creepy with their forgery vibes. I’ve said this before, but toy machine has the same, yet worse, feel to me on this: simplistic graphics that were compelling/interesting, and now seem hollow.
Nostalgia is odd
Early graphics were probably made by Gonz more often... I think he still does the guest boards himself but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, the twin tails I buy to skate, not as wall boards, so between two I'll pick the nicer looking one but it's not really that important to me.
Same here, but the recent Mobius graphics for the Ishod...I'd rather skate a non-twin...such weak art and ugly stains (not like the monarch series was special either)...worrest graphics are much better this round.
Speaking of the Monarch series...curious what the shift to doves and butterflies is all about...cathedral series, peace tree, even the recent drop...flock/monkey biz...just not feeling it.
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There is something about the slick the concave and how it feels when you slide it’s nice.
I get why Ishod wants the slick all the time, it's a bit weird at first but once you are used to it, it's really nice and more consistant across various types of ledges/rails/curbs and through various states of waxness/broken-in or not... less bad surprises.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between.
Krooked has some graphics I like, in present times, but their early stuff was a lot more compelling. Sometimes I just fondly think of the Sean Sheffey gest board, apropos of nothing…(I just went a searched for the image and the graphic isn’t amazing, and the one I had was purple, but it just seemed abs felt good/cool at the time).
The new graphics, although nice, can at times, seem sorta creepy with their forgery vibes. I’ve said this before, but toy machine has the same, yet worse, feel to me on this: simplistic graphics that were compelling/interesting, and now seem hollow.
Nostalgia is odd
Early graphics were probably made by Gonz more often... I think he still does the guest boards himself but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, the twin tails I buy to skate, not as wall boards, so between two I'll pick the nicer looking one but it's not really that important to me.
Same here, but the recent Mobius graphics for the Ishod...I'd rather skate a non-twin...such weak art and ugly stains (not like the monarch series was special either)...worrest graphics are much better this round.
Speaking of the Monarch series...curious what the shift to doves and butterflies is all about...cathedral series, peace tree, even the recent drop...flock/monkey biz...just not feeling it.
Dove is a peace symbol and butterflies symbolize spiritual rebirth, transformation, change, hope... It has been recurrent symbols through the years on Real and specifically Ishod boards, maybe they're important themes to him... or to one of the graphic designers at DLX?
Could be worst though, I've never been tempted to sand off or paint over graphics until I got a Jamie Foy Twin! ;D
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I've never been tempted to sand off or paint over graphics until I got a Jamie Foy Twin! ;D
Polar opposite to the DLX offerings for sure.
Neither speak to me, but the Foy is much more on brand than the doves and butterflies IMO. Personal agendas aside, you need to make graphics that sell (and maybe they are).
Best one out of DLX in ages:
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2022/rs-spr22-d1-catalog-12.png)
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There is something about the slick the concave and how it feels when you slide it’s nice.
I get why Ishod wants the slick all the time, it's a bit weird at first but once you are used to it, it's really nice and more consistant across various types of ledges/rails/curbs and through various states of waxness/broken-in or not... less bad surprises.
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I like most graphics made by Gonz.
Hate to burst your bubble but Gonz doesn't do all the Krooked art anymore, there's a team of artists over there that have been pumping out his style for years.
I actually don't mind if Gonz doesn't do them himself, I just generally like that style and art direction. Real has some really great graphics once in a while, but the good ones can be few and far between.
Krooked has some graphics I like, in present times, but their early stuff was a lot more compelling. Sometimes I just fondly think of the Sean Sheffey gest board, apropos of nothing…(I just went a searched for the image and the graphic isn’t amazing, and the one I had was purple, but it just seemed abs felt good/cool at the time).
The new graphics, although nice, can at times, seem sorta creepy with their forgery vibes. I’ve said this before, but toy machine has the same, yet worse, feel to me on this: simplistic graphics that were compelling/interesting, and now seem hollow.
Nostalgia is odd
Early graphics were probably made by Gonz more often... I think he still does the guest boards himself but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway, the twin tails I buy to skate, not as wall boards, so between two I'll pick the nicer looking one but it's not really that important to me.
I remember Tommy Guerrero saying in some interview that he did the layouts of Krooked decks based on drawings and sketches Gonz made or something like that until he thought to himself that why is he doing that and they hired someone to do it. At least back then it was all based on Gonz’s art from my understanding even if they weren’t all made 100% by him.
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There is a setup video with the Bobby Worrest where he says something about them both doing the graphic. Some recent mike Anderson’s have been nice. But yeah the Gonz stuff was hot
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I've never been tempted to sand off or paint over graphics until I got a Jamie Foy Twin! ;D
Polar opposite to the DLX offerings for sure.
Neither speak to me, but the Foy is much more on brand than the doves and butterflies IMO. Personal agendas aside, you need to make graphics that sell (and maybe they are).
Best one out of DLX in ages:
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2022/rs-spr22-d1-catalog-12.png)
Haaa yes, I got the shaped TG, on the wall for now though.
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Taking this here: I see three different Foy twins. Are they identical shapes?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/[email protected]?v=1644017393)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/0509/products/jf-exorcism-failed_900x.jpg?v=1634155034)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/69687/143218/01-01-1752__77395.1649185681.jpg?c=2)
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Taking this here: I see three different Foy twins. Are they identical shapes?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/[email protected]?v=1644017393)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/0509/products/jf-exorcism-failed_900x.jpg?v=1634155034)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/69687/143218/01-01-1752__77395.1649185681.jpg?c=2)
First and Second are TT, Third is not.
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Taking this here: I see three different Foy twins. Are they identical shapes?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/[email protected]?v=1644017393)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/0509/products/jf-exorcism-failed_900x.jpg?v=1634155034)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/69687/143218/01-01-1752__77395.1649185681.jpg?c=2)
First and Second are TT, Third is not.
I think the third is as well... all the same TT shape, at least according to this:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Jamie_Foy_Gator_Deck/descpage-DWFG85DK.html
And this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbxsjYOuLyX/
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Thanks bros, so I can pick between two ugly graphics and the „Gator“ model. Spoilt for choice here ;D
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Guess it is? Nice to see BB using new [accurate?]stickers for a change, seems they finally ran out of the silver/blk ones.
I was assuming not since it's listed as 8.5x32 where as the other twin Foys are listed as:
8.5 x 31.875
14.375 Wheelbase
Could be a Foy graphic on the [Neen] 8.5x32 twin shape tho? Isn't this an older graphic?
Gator Graphic, can't trust anyone's measurements these days.
From SW:
Width - 8.5"
Length - 32"
Wheelbase - 14.28"?
From Socal:
Width - 8.5"
Length - 32"
Wheelbase - 14.5"?
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=121698.0
Bought a Quasi twin tail (Justin Henry 8.375) and hated it. 3 sessions in and I went and bought a shop deck from my local. Not my cup of tea personally.
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Bought a Quasi twin tail (Justin Henry 8.375) and hated it. 3 sessions in and I went and bought a shop deck from my local. Not my cup of tea personally.
Was it the fact that it's a twin or was it something else? Curious as I'm eyeing this deck.
I'm a big fan of Quasi's 8.375 usually, I think it was really the fact that it's a twin. The board is 1/2 inch shorter than the usual 8.375 Quasi, so it felt pretty short for me. The concave and wheelbase was your typical Quasi though, if you're into twin tails I don't think you can go wrong.
As @Dan Gerous noted this board runs smaller than measured (as all quasi seem to run shorter than listed) but it's the only thing keeping me from picking this one up.
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
Looks fun.
You skated the 161s yet? Wide thunders are fun for me
Yep, had the 161s on a few boards off an on (symm egg). Problem is wheelbite for me :\ rode some thunders today, wheebite city...shelved that board and hopped on the mindy indy setup..way less wheebite. I'm too sketchy for thunders lol....but man that pop is on point.
i had the same issues with thunders until i switched over
I did when the 5.6 ti dropped - I wasn't a fan, even with extensive tinkering - I still have two pairs of unground 'lites' hollow pin, solid axle on my kids board, they just roll around no grinds.
I'm still eyeing this deck and only the 161s I have on hand would fit, tho I could go 8.75 but that's too magic carpet for me.
honestly, polars with wheels well work the best for me on thunders (team plates)...the wells help so much.
Got this board last weekend as I was fan of the old double shovel but was down to try the true twin version. Here are a couple of relevant details. It has a measured 14.125wb which is exactly my zone and a 1/8th shorter than listed. The old version was listed as 14.125 but was actually 14.25. It is pretty dead on 9" over the bolts. I'm gonna ride it with 159s and feel OK about the minimal carpeting. I do sort of wish they had just put the old shape on an actual twin mold and then also shortened the wheelbase (matching the 14.125 the OG came labelled as) as I don't think making the shape any wider really does anything for me. The OG was 8.75 over the bolts too so it was a better fit. I'm happy to have some kind of double shovel available so I'll take either one but I suspect I'll prefer the old shape after I skate the new one. Also the graphics are ass on this new one and probably have to go. Sorry to the artists.
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https://socalskateshop.com/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-95x31-75.html#!?cc_decks=124579&c=cc_grip-tape
Width: 9.5"
Length: 31.75"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.87"
Tail: 6.87"
(https://i.ibb.co/CzJKP9v/Heroin-Mandy-Enemy-Symmetrical-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzJKP9v)
I might have to bite on this. My 161s forged hollows need a home.
Looks fun.
You skated the 161s yet? Wide thunders are fun for me
Yep, had the 161s on a few boards off an on (symm egg). Problem is wheelbite for me :\ rode some thunders today, wheebite city...shelved that board and hopped on the mindy indy setup..way less wheebite. I'm too sketchy for thunders lol....but man that pop is on point.
i had the same issues with thunders until i switched over
I did when the 5.6 ti dropped - I wasn't a fan, even with extensive tinkering - I still have two pairs of unground 'lites' hollow pin, solid axle on my kids board, they just roll around no grinds.
I'm still eyeing this deck and only the 161s I have on hand would fit, tho I could go 8.75 but that's too magic carpet for me.
honestly, polars with wheels well work the best for me on thunders (team plates)...the wells help so much.
Thanks for this!
The short WB might be ok (I'd thro my 161s on it). Not a fan of the art myself but whatever.
Would you mind taking a pic of the top? I get the feeling that it might be too tapered for my taste.
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@Xen I figured I'd stop the wall of text from growing to an inescapable size.
(https://i.imgur.com/PGwbWIA.jpg)
Too tapered is exactly what I was trying to say when I was talking about my preference for the 9" non twin. That felt like a overgrown popsicle and this feels more like something that could have been a competitor with the Barnyard, except a true twin and with a nice short wheelbase. On that tip, I'm looking forward to setting it up.
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Now I really want one!
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Quasi has twin tails up. Wish they'd list the nose/tail dims
https://quasiskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/henry-mirror-8-125
https://quasiskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/henry-mirror-8-375
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I’ll prolly buy that board and be bummed on it….I like Justin Henry, the company….the twin….somehow for a twin I’m ok to spend the money because I actually get another week to two weeks out of it…
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I’ll prolly buy that board and be bummed on it….I like Justin Henry, the company….the twin….somehow for a twin I’m ok to spend the money because I actually get another week to two weeks out of it…
Well according to SoCal, it isn't even a twin lol...
https://socalskateshop.com/Quasi-Justin-Henry-Mirror-Skateboard-Deck-Green-8125x3175.html#!?cc_decks=124674&c=cc_grip-tape
Deck Specs:
Width: 8.125"
Length: 31.375"
Wheelbase: 14.125"
Nose: 7"
Tail: 6.375"
If I had to guess, I'd put the kicks at 6.65/6.7" based on other Quasi 8.125"x31.75"s
Edit: Back a page or two:
Quasi Justin Henry Mirror Twin Tail 8.375...
It's a bit shorter than claimed, about 3/32 shorter than 31.75"?
Other measures are pretty much bang on, maybe a hair under 8.375" wide and wheelbase is indeed 14.25", tails are about 6 5/8 - 6.6", very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid.
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I see my local has one….I’ll look at it and see….
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I am starting to look for a follow up to the 8.5 Neen twin noses. I liked the flat concave on those.
So let‘s see: These Foy 8.5 twins are all the same except for the graphic, right?
Comparison:
Width: same
Noses/tails: Neen 7 / Foy 6.75
Wheelbase: Neen 14.5 / Foy 14.3 (right?)
Lenghth: Neen 32+ / Foy under 32
I guess I could live with the shorter dimensions or might even like them better.
My main concern ist the concave. Is the Foy quite as mellow/shallow as the Neen?
I also remember that the CRob was suggested. I see that the width and length are identical with the Foy but wheelbase even shorter at 14 (which makes the tails a tad longer). However, the Chocolate has a steeper concave hasn‘t it?
Based on this knowledge I tend to giving the Foy a shot rather than the CRob. Am I missing something or are there alternatives?
I know some of these points were discussed earlier but I would appreciate your views.
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Reading feedback about the Quasi twin and that bit feels weird to me:
very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid
i personally consider the Ishod IS NOT a twin tail, more like a twin nose mainly because of the angle ("non-steepness" makes it feel like a nose) and the length of the "nails" (6.75")
It felt bad when i tried one and i know i would enjoy it if it was steeper with shorter "nails" (like a classic tail, 6.5" ish)
any comment ? enlighten me please
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very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid
i personally consider the Ishod IS NOT a twin tail, more like a twin nose mainly because of the angle ("non-steepness" makes it feel like a nose) and the length of the "nails" (6.75")
It felt bad when i tried one and i know i would enjoy it if it was steeper with shorter "nails" (like a classic tail, 6.5" ish)
any comment ? enlighten me please
I am guessing you are talking about the 8.5 version as the smaller size boards have shorter kicks than that.
My usual BBS 8.5 has a 6.75 tail and a 7.125 nose, which feels fairly comfortable to me, although my usual other 8.38 decks definitely have shorter tails and feel a bit more inclined to not feel like a boat, so I understand what you are saying.
It is still a bit sad, with the Real Ishod 8.5 twin I bought never leaving the shrink wrap, even with repeated attempts to get it out, stand on it, feel the conave, look at the kicks, etc.
I have a well used 8.3 and 8.25 Real Ishod twin here somewhere too, which were worlds apart from the 8.5 shape.
The angle of kicks is actually good for me, but I do prefer more mellow kicks, so again I can understand how that would be a pain for you.
The wheelbase at 14.5 was also what I usually have on my other boards, so how did that compare for you?
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Reading feedback about the Quasi twin and that bit feels weird to me:
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very much a twin tail like the Ishod, not twin nose or hybrid
i personally consider the Ishod IS NOT a twin tail, more like a twin nose mainly because of the angle ("non-steepness" makes it feel like a nose) and the length of the "nails" (6.75")
It felt bad when i tried one and i know i would enjoy it if it was steeper with shorter "nails" (like a classic tail, 6.5" ish)
any comment ? enlighten me please
I am guessing you are talking about the 8.5 version as the smaller size boards have shorter kicks than that.
My usual BBS 8.5 has a 6.75 tail and a 7.125 nose, which feels fairly comfortable to me, although my usual other 8.38 decks definitely have shorter tails and feel a bit more inclined to not feel like a boat, so I understand what you are saying.
It is still a bit sad, with the Real Ishod 8.5 twin I bought never leaving the shrink wrap, even with repeated attempts to get it out, stand on it, feel the conave, look at the kicks, etc.
I have a well used 8.3 and 8.25 Real Ishod twin here somewhere too, which were worlds apart from the 8.5 shape.
The angle of kicks is actually good for me, but I do prefer more mellow kicks, so again I can understand how that would be a pain for you.
The wheelbase at 14.5 was also what I usually have on my other boards, so how did that compare for you?
Sorry if I missed that but what is the issue with the 8.5 Ishod twin? Too steep kicks?
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I am starting to look for a follow up to the 8.5 Neen twin noses. I liked the flat concave on those.
So let‘s see: These Foy 8.5 twins are all the same except for the graphic, right?
Comparison:
Width: same
Noses/tails: Neen 7 / Foy 6.75
Wheelbase: Neen 14.5 / Foy 14.3 (right?)
Lenghth: Neen 32+ / Foy under 32
I guess I could live with the shorter dimensions or might even like them better.
My main concern ist the concave. Is the Foy quite as mellow/shallow as the Neen?
I also remember that the CRob was suggested. I see that the width and length are identical with the Foy but wheelbase even shorter at 14 (which makes the tails a tad longer). However, the Chocolate has a steeper concave hasn‘t it?
Based on this knowledge I tend to giving the Foy a shot rather than the CRob. Am I missing something or are there alternatives?
I know some of these points were discussed earlier but I would appreciate your views.
Depends on the Foy as it's possible they used both twins for his shapes:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-strictly-deathwish-8-5?_pos=2&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5?_pos=6&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
I have a few Deathwish Foy Exorcism Failed graphics on ice and they measure 8.5 x 31.875 x 14.375; very mellow kicks...
Not ridden the crob but crail boards are steeper and the kicks usually longer.
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I am starting to look for a follow up to the 8.5 Neen twin noses. I liked the flat concave on those.
So let‘s see: These Foy 8.5 twins are all the same except for the graphic, right?
Comparison:
Width: same
Noses/tails: Neen 7 / Foy 6.75
Wheelbase: Neen 14.5 / Foy 14.3 (right?)
Lenghth: Neen 32+ / Foy under 32
I guess I could live with the shorter dimensions or might even like them better.
My main concern ist the concave. Is the Foy quite as mellow/shallow as the Neen?
I also remember that the CRob was suggested. I see that the width and length are identical with the Foy but wheelbase even shorter at 14 (which makes the tails a tad longer). However, the Chocolate has a steeper concave hasn‘t it?
Based on this knowledge I tend to giving the Foy a shot rather than the CRob. Am I missing something or are there alternatives?
I know some of these points were discussed earlier but I would appreciate your views.
Depends on the Foy as it's possible they used both twins for his shapes:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-strictly-deathwish-8-5?_pos=2&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5?_pos=6&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
I have a few Deathwish Foy Exorcism Failed graphics on ice and they measure 8.5 x 31.875 x 14.375; very mellow kicks...
Not ridden the crob but crail boards are steeper and the kicks usually longer.
I actually liked that Florida gator Foy graphic. Haven’t had a deathwish since an antwuan board (with an entirely regrettable graphic, he’s the goat tho).
@Xen you like yours?
I skate a lot of crail stuff, no desire to buy the Robert’s tho
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I am starting to look for a follow up to the 8.5 Neen twin noses. I liked the flat concave on those.
So let‘s see: These Foy 8.5 twins are all the same except for the graphic, right?
Comparison:
Width: same
Noses/tails: Neen 7 / Foy 6.75
Wheelbase: Neen 14.5 / Foy 14.3 (right?)
Lenghth: Neen 32+ / Foy under 32
I guess I could live with the shorter dimensions or might even like them better.
My main concern ist the concave. Is the Foy quite as mellow/shallow as the Neen?
I also remember that the CRob was suggested. I see that the width and length are identical with the Foy but wheelbase even shorter at 14 (which makes the tails a tad longer). However, the Chocolate has a steeper concave hasn‘t it?
Based on this knowledge I tend to giving the Foy a shot rather than the CRob. Am I missing something or are there alternatives?
I know some of these points were discussed earlier but I would appreciate your views.
Depends on the Foy as it's possible they used both twins for his shapes:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-strictly-deathwish-8-5?_pos=2&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5?_pos=6&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
I have a few Deathwish Foy Exorcism Failed graphics on ice and they measure 8.5 x 31.875 x 14.375; very mellow kicks...
Not ridden the crob but crail boards are steeper and the kicks usually longer.
I actually liked that Florida gator Foy graphic. Haven’t had a deathwish since an antwuan board (with an entirely regrettable graphic, he’s the goat tho).
@Xen you like yours?
I skate a lot of crail stuff, no desire to buy the Robert’s tho
@ok
The 31.875" twin foy is great, provided you like 8.5" boards ;) Haven't ridden the longer one. Would love to have the same thing just 8.375 but that's splitting hairs.
It's super close to the DLX in terms of kicks but just a tad more hybrid than tail IMO (especially looking down in it); it's really round/full feeling, comfortable, mellow and easy to skate; polar opposite of the Sovereign Sects twin offering which is steeper, deeper, longer and more rigid.
Not sure why but the foy is one of those boards where big spins and pop shuvs feel really good/effortless =D or, I just gel with with the board as I have been favoring mellower boards these days. I've ridden it on Royals and Indys and it skates great either way...
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I am starting to look for a follow up to the 8.5 Neen twin noses. I liked the flat concave on those.
So let‘s see: These Foy 8.5 twins are all the same except for the graphic, right?
Comparison:
Width: same
Noses/tails: Neen 7 / Foy 6.75
Wheelbase: Neen 14.5 / Foy 14.3 (right?)
Lenghth: Neen 32+ / Foy under 32
I guess I could live with the shorter dimensions or might even like them better.
My main concern ist the concave. Is the Foy quite as mellow/shallow as the Neen?
I also remember that the CRob was suggested. I see that the width and length are identical with the Foy but wheelbase even shorter at 14 (which makes the tails a tad longer). However, the Chocolate has a steeper concave hasn‘t it?
Based on this knowledge I tend to giving the Foy a shot rather than the CRob. Am I missing something or are there alternatives?
I know some of these points were discussed earlier but I would appreciate your views.
Depends on the Foy as it's possible they used both twins for his shapes:
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-strictly-deathwish-8-5?_pos=2&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5?_pos=6&_sid=f697d9763&_ss=r
I have a few Deathwish Foy Exorcism Failed graphics on ice and they measure 8.5 x 31.875 x 14.375; very mellow kicks...
Not ridden the crob but crail boards are steeper and the kicks usually longer.
I actually liked that Florida gator Foy graphic. Haven’t had a deathwish since an antwuan board (with an entirely regrettable graphic, he’s the goat tho).
@Xen you like yours?
I skate a lot of crail stuff, no desire to buy the Robert’s tho
@ok
The 31.875" twin foy is great, provided you like 8.5" boards ;) Haven't ridden the longer one. Would love to have the same thing just 8.375 but that's splitting hairs.
It's super close to the DLX in terms of kicks but just a tad more hybrid than tail IMO (especially looking down in it); it's really round/full feeling, comfortable, mellow and easy to skate; polar opposite of the Sovereign Sects twin offering which is steeper, deeper, longer and more rigid.
Not sure why but the foy is one of those boards where big spins and pop shuvs feel really good/effortless =D or, I just gel with with the board as I have been favoring mellower boards these days. I've ridden it on Royals and Indys and it skates great either way...
Perfect thanks!!
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Sorry if I missed that but what is the issue with the 8.5 Ishod twin? Too steep kicks?
He was meaning the kicks are too mellow, or at least that is how I read it.
I like mellow kicks, so they worked well for me.
DLX and many BBS wood have what could be called more mellow kicks than some other brands out there.
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Sorry if I missed that but what is the issue with the 8.5 Ishod twin? Too steep kicks?
He was meaning the kicks are too mellow, or at least that is how I read it.
I like mellow kicks, so they worked well for me.
DLX and many BBS wood have what could be called more mellow kicks than some other brands out there.
But you said you bought one but never set it up, right? So, why come? ;D
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Sorry if I missed that but what is the issue with the 8.5 Ishod twin? Too steep kicks?
He was meaning the kicks are too mellow, or at least that is how I read it.
I like mellow kicks, so they worked well for me.
DLX and many BBS wood have what could be called more mellow kicks than some other brands out there.
But you said you bought one but never set it up, right? So, why come? ;D
Every time I think about it, it comes back to the same thing though:
I have too many boards, as well as too many good boards already set up that I like more, with what I feel is a better shape for what I want and how I skate.
DLX boards in particular, but BBS in general, mostly now between 8.38 and 8.5 so sitting the twin 8.5 on other normal 8.5s I have set up, the tails are pretty much the same, as is the wheelbase, but I am skating the 8.38 size a lot more and only pull out the 8.5 if I just want a "go fast" session or cruisy roll around a park or somewhere, so they are never going to get swapped out at that rate.
Setting up something different because I am curious about it is one thing, but knowing what a deck is like and setting it up just because I can would mean I have way less fresh in shrink decks and way more "gripped and used once or twice" boards in an ever increasing pile, when anything new can still be sold on if someone else wants it, but gripped and used boards are more so given away, no matter what condition they are in, if someone is in need of a board. If it is still one I would ride, it is more likely to be kept, but then it comes back to the start - I have too many boards.
Yes I am a bit special in that regard.
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Sorry if I missed that but what is the issue with the 8.5 Ishod twin? Too steep kicks?
He was meaning the kicks are too mellow, or at least that is how I read it.
I like mellow kicks, so they worked well for me.
DLX and many BBS wood have what could be called more mellow kicks than some other brands out there.
But you said you bought one but never set it up, right? So, why come? ;D
Every time I think about it, it comes back to the same thing though:
I have too many boards, as well as too many good boards already set up that I like more, with what I feel is a better shape for what I want and how I skate.
DLX boards in particular, but BBS in general, mostly now between 8.38 and 8.5 so sitting the twin 8.5 on other normal 8.5s I have set up, the tails are pretty much the same, as is the wheelbase, but I am skating the 8.38 size a lot more and only pull out the 8.5 if I just want a "go fast" session or cruisy roll around a park or somewhere, so they are never going to get swapped out at that rate.
Setting up something different because I am curious about it is one thing, but knowing what a deck is like and setting it up just because I can would mean I have way less fresh in shrink decks and way more "gripped and used once or twice" boards in an ever increasing pile, when anything new can still be sold on if someone else wants it, but gripped and used boards are more so given away, no matter what condition they are in, if someone is in need of a board. If it is still one I would ride, it is more likely to be kept, but then it comes back to the start - I have too many boards.
Yes I am a bit special in that regard.
I see, the issue is not the board, it is you ;D
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New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
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New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
Their numbers don't add up. If it is 32" long with a 14.25" wb, the tails have to be longer than 6.58, if the tails are 6.58 and the wb is 14.25, similar numbers to the Quasi 8.375, it must be much shorter than 32"... or the wheelbase is longer than that... or they measured the length with the tape pressed down in contact with the board all the way, not straight across.
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New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
Their numbers don't add up. If it is 32" long with a 14.25" wb, the tails have to be longer than 6.58, if the tails are 6.58 and the wb is 14.25, similar numbers to the Quasi 8.375, it must be much shorter than 32"... or the wheelbase is longer than that... or they measured the length with the tape pressed down in contact with the board all the way, not straight across.
Damn you are right. Thanks for the heads up.
With these specs the length would be around 31.75.
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New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
Their numbers don't add up. If it is 32" long with a 14.25" wb, the tails have to be longer than 6.58, if the tails are 6.58 and the wb is 14.25, similar numbers to the Quasi 8.375, it must be much shorter than 32"... or the wheelbase is longer than that... or they measured the length with the tape pressed down in contact with the board all the way, not straight across...which has to be the case, look at all their offerings, some of the longest in the game, for everything.
I don't know:
A) anyone that's ridden one
B) a store that carries them
But, I believe their measurements are suspect and as @Dan Gerous noted, they probably measure tape down and are actually shorter than listed.
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I see, the issue is not the board, it is you ;D
Ha yes it is totally me!
When it comes to the DLX twin shapes, what is interesting is hearing a lot more people skate the smaller 8.25 and 8.3 sizes way more than the 8.5 boards, but a few others on here have skated and like the 8.5 without issue.
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I see, the issue is not the board, it is you ;D
Ha yes it is totally me!
When it comes to the DLX twin shapes, what is interesting is hearing a lot more people skate the smaller 8.25 and 8.3 sizes way more than the 8.5 boards, but a few others on here have skated and like the 8.5 without issue.
The thing is I had a „regular“ (non twin) Ishod Full 8.38 which was actually 8.5 and which I loved and an Ishod Dreamer 8.38 which I hated so I am trying to understand if the twin shapes compare to the regular shapes, or not.
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I see, the issue is not the board, it is you ;D
Ha yes it is totally me!
When it comes to the DLX twin shapes, what is interesting is hearing a lot more people skate the smaller 8.25 and 8.3 sizes way more than the 8.5 boards, but a few others on here have skated and like the 8.5 without issue.
The thing is I had a „regular“ (non twin) Ishod Full 8.38 which was actually 8.5 and which I loved and an Ishod Dreamer 8.38 which I hated so I am trying to understand if the twin shapes compare to the regular shapes, or not.
The regular / dreamer 8.38 is so much more tapered, which is why I think it is a bit more nimble and what I usually skate now, with those bigger BBS 8.5 boards being a lot more of a log by comparison (while still being a good overall size and shape for the same trucks and everything else) but a bit more on the tail is always welcome to me.
I have had a number of 8.38 in the Full SE boards before and yes they are a bit more squared off and wider overall too, with the 8.5 twin probably being right in the middle of those two you had for kick / tail shape, of course with the addition of a two for one deal on the tail / kicks on the twin shape.
As was said before, the twin 6.75 length kicks is a bit more in between a normal board, of about 6.5 tail and 7 nose, so not quite normal smaller tails, but not quite normal longer noses either. It does work well for another guy who did buy quite a few, but he is back on the 8.3 twin more so than the 8.5 nowdays - personal preference though.
I could line up all three new in shrink just to compare sizes and take some pics if you were keen, but I don't know how clearly the pics would be or how well they would show the differences.
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I see, the issue is not the board, it is you ;D
Ha yes it is totally me!
When it comes to the DLX twin shapes, what is interesting is hearing a lot more people skate the smaller 8.25 and 8.3 sizes way more than the 8.5 boards, but a few others on here have skated and like the 8.5 without issue.
The thing is I had a „regular“ (non twin) Ishod Full 8.38 which was actually 8.5 and which I loved and an Ishod Dreamer 8.38 which I hated so I am trying to understand if the twin shapes compare to the regular shapes, or not.
The regular / dreamer 8.38 is so much more tapered, which is why I think it is a bit more nimble and what I usually skate now, with those bigger BBS 8.5 boards being a lot more of a log by comparison (while still being a good overall size and shape for the same trucks and everything else) but a bit more on the tail is always welcome to me.
I have had a number of 8.38 in the Full SE boards before and yes they are a bit more squared off and wider overall too, with the 8.5 twin probably being right in the middle of those two you had for kick / tail shape, of course with the addition of a two for one deal on the tail / kicks on the twin shape.
As was said before, the twin 6.75 length kicks is a bit more in between a normal board, of about 6.5 tail and 7 nose, so not quite normal smaller tails, but not quite normal longer noses either. It does work well for another guy who did buy quite a few, but he is back on the 8.3 twin more so than the 8.5 nowdays - personal preference though.
I could line up all three new in shrink just to compare sizes and take some pics if you were keen, but I don't know how clearly the pics would be or how well they would show the differences.
Cheers, don‘t bother, I am more interested in the concave (not the steepness of the kicks) of the 8.5 tho, would you qualify it as rather shallow or deep?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8c7vpty7/Screenshot-20220427-223154-Instagram-2.jpg)
New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
The Darkroom Facebook post says the tips are 6.5875".
Theorically it should be 31.675" lenght straight across.
On a side note, first time I take a look at Darkroom. Huge taste of good old Alien Workshop graphics. Fantastic.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8c7vpty7/Screenshot-20220427-223154-Instagram-2.jpg)
New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
Theorically it should be 31.675" lenght straight across.
On a side note, first time I take a look at Darkroom. Huge taste of good old Alien Workshop graphics. Fantastic.
That is because it's Don Pendleton's company =D
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Taking this here: I see three different Foy twins. Are they identical shapes?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/[email protected]?v=1644017393)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/0509/products/jf-exorcism-failed_900x.jpg?v=1634155034)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/69687/143218/01-01-1752__77395.1649185681.jpg?c=2)
@Easy Slider
30% off clearance...Foy up!
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Strictly_Deathwish_Deck/descpage-DWFSDDK.html
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(https://i.postimg.cc/8c7vpty7/Screenshot-20220427-223154-Instagram-2.jpg)
New Twin Tail on the darkroom insta.
I think the tails are like 6.58 something. It looks rad.
Theorically it should be 31.675" lenght straight across.
On a side note, first time I take a look at Darkroom. Huge taste of good old Alien Workshop graphics. Fantastic.
That is because it's Don Pendleton's company =D
Yep, I instantly ckecked that when I saw this graphics. :D
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Taking this here: I see three different Foy twins. Are they identical shapes?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/[email protected]?v=1644017393)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0467/0509/products/jf-exorcism-failed_900x.jpg?v=1634155034)
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/69687/143218/01-01-1752__77395.1649185681.jpg?c=2)
@Easy Slider
30% off clearance...Foy up!
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Strictly_Deathwish_Deck/descpage-DWFSDDK.html
Thanks for the heads up bro but I am in Europe so shipping would probably still be exorbitant.
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Is this your first twin? No matter the brand they take getting used to.
That said it could just be a shit shape/bad dims for you, I’ve had it happen…stepped on it and said nope, not gonna work.
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Is this your first twin? No matter the brand they take getting used to.
That said it could just be a shit shape/bad dims for you, I’ve had it happen…stepped on it and said nope, not gonna work.
first twin, yea. im open to the idea of it considering i do a lot of fakie stuff and im not loyal to popping of the nose or tail when i do it. but yea, coming from loving DLX full se shapes and hockey decks to that was like :o
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
I hated mine until I cut the tails down to 6.5". The long tails makes it feel like skating a normal deck the wrong way around, way too light pop.
If you feel the same, try bigger wheels or higher/heavier trucks. Risers maybe?
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Is this your first twin? No matter the brand they take getting used to.
That said it could just be a shit shape/bad dims for you, I’ve had it happen…stepped on it and said nope, not gonna work.
first twin, yea. im open to the idea of it considering i do a lot of fakie stuff and im not loyal to popping of the nose or tail when i do it. but yea, coming from loving DLX full se shapes and hockey decks to that was like :o
The wheelbase is also quite short for the lenght and the width. I think it can feel weird, especially on the 8.5".
I personnaly love it, but I used to ride ~ 7.75" boards exclusively so I think I always had short wheelbases.
Which version are they? 8.25" or 8.5"?
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Just curious, do you think it's the shape or the concave? Two different variables. Our boards are a med-mellow too so curious to hear your thoughts
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Just curious, do you think it's the shape or the concave? Two different variables. Our boards are a med-mellow too so curious to hear your thoughts
May I ask what differentiates your shapes from the Ishod twins? Specs seem to be the same
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Is this your first twin? No matter the brand they take getting used to.
That said it could just be a shit shape/bad dims for you, I’ve had it happen…stepped on it and said nope, not gonna work.
first twin, yea. im open to the idea of it considering i do a lot of fakie stuff and im not loyal to popping of the nose or tail when i do it. but yea, coming from loving DLX full se shapes and hockey decks to that was like :o
I personnaly love it, but I used to ride ~ 7.75" boards exclusively so I think I always had short wheelbases.
Which version are they? 8.25" or 8.5"?
8.5
honestly i think its just how flat it is that i dont dig. it also feels thick(er) and super stiff. dont think ive ever hated a deck this much in 20+ years of skating ha.
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Just curious, do you think it's the shape or the concave? Two different variables. Our boards are a med-mellow too so curious to hear your thoughts
both but more the concave. i can almost always get used to a different shape.
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Just curious, do you think it's the shape or the concave? Two different variables. Our boards are a med-mellow too so curious to hear your thoughts
the justin henry quasi feels steeper to me than the craig ones.
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Cheers, don‘t bother, I am more interested in the concave (not the steepness of the kicks) of the 8.5 tho, would you qualify it as rather shallow or deep?
As the DLX boards have a I to IV on top, which shows place in the stack, a I usually a little more steep / slightly deeper concave and a IV usually being slightly more mellow in the concave, I guess it is down to which board you get.
There are differences and the board is a III that I have, which is about the same as the other boards, but overall it is on the slightly more mellow side for BBS, but definitely not as mellow as some other BBS / DLX boards I have seen and stood on.
If anywhere has one, check with them what number is on top as most places should be able to easily check and get back to you with that information.
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Just curious, do you think it's the shape or the concave? Two different variables. Our boards are a med-mellow too so curious to hear your thoughts
May I ask what differentiates your shapes from the Ishod twins? Specs seem to be the same
Full transparency, I've personally only ridden an 8.0 Ishod twin tail before we started the brand (things might have changed too), but we've done a lot of research and gathered a lot of feedback from skaters, so take it for what it's worth. In terms of head to head specs, I know that the Ishod kicks are a bit more square- almost a hybrid shape with pop angles of a tail.
Our tails are more of a full (round) versus a pin-tail or square shape, and we decided to make our boards a bit more on the standard --> dense side versus a featherlight. Decided to sacrifice a little bit of lightness for durability.
Hopefully this helps. And as my sig suggests, reach out if you guys are ever interested in trying out our board. We offer slap pals generous discounts on their first board :) No pressure ever obviously
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God DAMMIT, Pals. I’ve had two Crob TTs on ice since they released and finally set one up today and H A T E it. Is this because its my first Crail deck in 20 years or is the shape/how flat it is just that bad? Is there a fuller shaped-steeper concave TT out there?
Just curious, do you think it's the shape or the concave? Two different variables. Our boards are a med-mellow too so curious to hear your thoughts
May I ask what differentiates your shapes from the Ishod twins? Specs seem to be the same
Full transparency, I've personally only ridden an 8.0 Ishod twin tail before we started the brand (things might have changed too), but we've done a lot of research and gathered a lot of feedback from skaters, so take it for what it's worth. In terms of head to head specs, I know that the Ishod kicks are a bit more square- almost a hybrid shape with pop angles of a tail.
Our tails are more of a full (round) versus a pin-tail or square shape, and we decided to make our boards a bit more on the standard --> dense side versus a featherlight. Decided to sacrifice a little bit of lightness for durability.
Hopefully this helps. And as my sig suggests, reach out if you guys are ever interested in trying out our board. We offer slap pals generous discounts on their first board :) No pressure ever obviously
Thanks for the answer! I'd love to try one for sure since I only ride twins, but that's probably not going to work until you have some european distribution, which I hope you'll get in the future. Even a free deck wouldn't be worth the shipping from the states, it's stupid expensive.
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With Jamie winning Tampa these will be flying out of the window so I finally pulled the trigger on one of each for scientific reasons.
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Has someone mentioned the Quasi twin tails?
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-375 (https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-375)
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-125 (https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-125)
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Has someone mentioned the Quasi twin tails?
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-375 (https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-375)
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-125 (https://quasiskateboards.com/products/henry-mirror-8-125)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.msg3772495#msg3772495
Just two pages back my dude.
Doesn't seem like a lot of us picked them up tho. since all quasi measure shorter, this one would be too short for my tastes...bummer too as it would be nice to have an 8.3x twin that isn't a slick.
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The Foys are here. For your benefit I confirm that the shapes are identical. I laid them next to my last Neen which I have been riding for a while. The Foy is considerably shorter and has a shorter wheelbase. The concave on the Foys is deeper so I am scared that I will lose all my flips. We‘ll have to see.
(https://i.imgur.com/mZ89jWC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M2Ozg4R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UkVz5eu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M3AH2Mc.jpg)
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Nice!
Did you measure them against the sticker dims? My Foys ran smaller all around (but WB was longer).
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Nice!
Did you measure them against the sticker dims? My Foys ran smaller all around (but WB was longer).
No but I‘ll do it.
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
You are correct.
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
I agree that it really shouldn’t be that difficult. They’re essential measurements and to get the wrong so consistently should be unforgivable. Sadly most skaters don’t care.
Crail doesn’t always get it right either. For example this GO39 here doesn’t really add up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccf5QFurAga/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
GO39:
8.5” x 31.75”
Wheelbase: 14.75”
Nose: 9.9375”
Tail: 6.7375”
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OK so I measured the Foys.
I am European so I got metric measures but translated them to imperial - it appears that the sticker is not far from the truth:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 81 cm = 31.9"
WB = 36.25 cm = 14.27"
In comparison the Neen:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 83.1 cm = 32.7"
WB = 36.8 cm = 14.5"
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
I agree that it really shouldn’t be that difficult. They’re essential measurements and to get the wrong so consistently should be unforgivable. Sadly most skaters don’t care.
Crail doesn’t always get it right either. For example this GO39 here doesn’t really add up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccf5QFurAga/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
GO39:
8.5” x 31.75”
Wheelbase: 14.75”
Nose: 9.9375”
Tail: 6.7375”
I wouldn't trust social media monkeys to get anything correct. Use the crail shape guide; everything I've ridden matches up to what they have listed here:
https://crailtap.com/shapes/#g039 - still...9.9 is crazy
Stats:
Width:8.5″Length:31.75″Wheelbase:14.25″Nose:9.9375″Tail:6.7375
OK so I measured the Foys.
I am European so I got metric measures but translated them to imperial - it appears that the sticker is not far from the truth:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 81 cm = 31.9"
WB = 36.25 cm = 14.27"
In comparison the Neen:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 83.1 cm = 32.7"
WB = 36.8 cm = 14.5"
Man, 31.9 =/= 32.7 - that's a pretty big disparity.
Foy dims seem pretty spot on to what I've been riding, tho my WB measured closer to 14.3, give or take, everything else just a hair under the actual measurements. Too much rounding up.
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
I agree that it really shouldn’t be that difficult. They’re essential measurements and to get the wrong so consistently should be unforgivable. Sadly most skaters don’t care.
Crail doesn’t always get it right either. For example this GO39 here doesn’t really add up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccf5QFurAga/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
GO39:
8.5” x 31.75”
Wheelbase: 14.75”
Nose: 9.9375”
Tail: 6.7375”
I wouldn't trust social media monkeys to get anything correct. Use the crail shape guide; everything I've ridden matches up to what they have listed here:
https://crailtap.com/shapes/#g039
Stats:
Width:8.5″Length:31.75″Wheelbase:14.25″Nose:9.9375″Tail:6.7375
I have never seen that shape IRL myself but I doubt it has an almost 10” nose. Might be among the biggest ones ever. I really like the Crail shape guide but I have my doubts here. Not that it really matters to me as I’m not riding Crail stuff anyway.
Anyway, it’s not a twin tail so no reason to derail this thread any more.
I have three twins I plan on skating this summer once I heal up. Maybe I’ll post some more relevant content to this topic once that happens. :)
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OK so I measured the Foys.
I am European so I got metric measures but translated them to imperial - it appears that the sticker is not far from the truth:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 81 cm = 31.9"
WB = 36.25 cm = 14.27"
In comparison the Neen:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 83.1 cm = 32.7"
WB = 36.8 cm = 14.5"
Thank you!
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
I agree that it really shouldn’t be that difficult. They’re essential measurements and to get the wrong so consistently should be unforgivable. Sadly most skaters don’t care.
Crail doesn’t always get it right either. For example this GO39 here doesn’t really add up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccf5QFurAga/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
GO39:
8.5” x 31.75”
Wheelbase: 14.75”
Nose: 9.9375”
Tail: 6.7375”
I wouldn't trust social media monkeys to get anything correct. Use the crail shape guide; everything I've ridden matches up to what they have listed here:
https://crailtap.com/shapes/#g039
Stats:
Width:8.5″Length:31.75″Wheelbase:14.25″Nose:9.9375″Tail:6.7375
I have never seen that shape IRL myself but I doubt it has an almost 10” nose. Might be among the biggest ones ever. I really like the Crail shape guide but I have my doubts here. Not that it really matters to me as I’m not riding Crail stuff anyway.
Anyway, it’s not a twin tail so no reason to derail this thread any more.
I have three twins I plan on skating this summer once I heal up. Maybe I’ll post some more relevant content to this topic once that happens. :)
Sorry to derail, I’m almost positive that the nose is 6.9+, and the wb is 14.25. So they too have a misprint. Imo the crail guide is still the best
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
I agree that it really shouldn’t be that difficult. They’re essential measurements and to get the wrong so consistently should be unforgivable. Sadly most skaters don’t care.
Crail doesn’t always get it right either. For example this GO39 here doesn’t really add up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccf5QFurAga/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
GO39:
8.5” x 31.75”
Wheelbase: 14.75”
Nose: 9.9375”
Tail: 6.7375”
I wouldn't trust social media monkeys to get anything correct. Use the crail shape guide; everything I've ridden matches up to what they have listed here:
https://crailtap.com/shapes/#g039
Stats:
Width:8.5″Length:31.75″Wheelbase:14.25″Nose:9.9375″Tail:6.7375
I have never seen that shape IRL myself but I doubt it has an almost 10” nose. Might be among the biggest ones ever. I really like the Crail shape guide but I have my doubts here. Not that it really matters to me as I’m not riding Crail stuff anyway.
Anyway, it’s not a twin tail so no reason to derail this thread any more.
I have three twins I plan on skating this summer once I heal up. Maybe I’ll post some more relevant content to this topic once that happens. :)
Sorry to derail, I’m almost positive that the nose is 6.9+, and the wb is 14.25. So they too have a misprint. Imo the crail guide is still the best
6.9" makes the most sense. No one is perfect but we all know the companies lurk here and should take a bit more pride in being accurate. Especially when they post this stuff as public facing information.
You may say well only a small niche audience cares...well that small niche audience is also the most vocal (I deal with 'passionate' users in my industry and they are not to be discounted; a lost sale is a lost sale.
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Those Foy’s look really nice. Feels odd to write. I’m also interested in the actual measurements. They look significantly shorter than the neen
Damn, I just looked at the pic again, you're right.
Who to trust...DW website or DW stickers :\
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/products/foy-gator-deck-8-5
Seriously, how fucking hard is it? If NHS/Dwindle/Crail (yeah, China) can list and make) correct dims, why can't the rest...
I agree that it really shouldn’t be that difficult. They’re essential measurements and to get the wrong so consistently should be unforgivable. Sadly most skaters don’t care.
Crail doesn’t always get it right either. For example this GO39 here doesn’t really add up:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ccf5QFurAga/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
GO39:
8.5” x 31.75”
Wheelbase: 14.75”
Nose: 9.9375”
Tail: 6.7375”
I wouldn't trust social media monkeys to get anything correct. Use the crail shape guide; everything I've ridden matches up to what they have listed here:
https://crailtap.com/shapes/#g039
Stats:
Width:8.5″Length:31.75″Wheelbase:14.25″Nose:9.9375″Tail:6.7375
I have never seen that shape IRL myself but I doubt it has an almost 10” nose. Might be among the biggest ones ever. I really like the Crail shape guide but I have my doubts here. Not that it really matters to me as I’m not riding Crail stuff anyway.
Anyway, it’s not a twin tail so no reason to derail this thread any more.
I have three twins I plan on skating this summer once I heal up. Maybe I’ll post some more relevant content to this topic once that happens. :)
Sorry to derail, I’m almost positive that the nose is 6.9+, and the wb is 14.25. So they too have a misprint. Imo the crail guide is still the best
6.9" makes the most sense. No one is perfect but we all know the companies lurk here and should take a bit more pride in being accurate. Especially when they post this stuff as public facing information.
You may say well only a small niche audience cares...well that small niche audience is also the most vocal (I deal with 'passionate' users in my industry and they are not to be discounted; a lost sale is a lost sale.
Agree. Also, might as well do it correctly. Skating, as ‘industry’ has definitely gotten away with some nonsense, like forever. And when it crashes and is being made out of garages, again, I won’t mind.
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
If I could, I most certainly would; I'd drop both kicks down enough to bring the deck length from 32.25" to 31.88" - basically matching up with the Foy but squared tips and steep!
I couldn't resist the 8.3 twin since I dig the 8.5 Foy so much, but want something just a bit trimmer all around that isn't a slick. Dims are dead on.
Now...which trucks...I have too many trucks...about 1 finger of flat, medium kicks
(https://i.ibb.co/h73VSDb/IMG-2675.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h73VSDb)
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
If I could, I most certainly would; I'd drop both kicks down enough to bring the deck length from 32.25" to 31.88" - basically matching up with the Foy but squared tips and steep!
I couldn't resist the 8.3 twin since I dig the 8.5 Foy so much, but want something just a bit trimmer all around that isn't a slick. Dims are dead on.
Now...which trucks...I have too many trucks...about 1 finger of flat, medium kicks
(https://i.ibb.co/h73VSDb/IMG-2675.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h73VSDb)
I'll use Thunders on mine... but then again, I use Thunders on everything! ;D
I wish I could share how that combo works for me but I have not set it up yet, I currently have both a Worrest and a Foy setup with some life left... and it might be a while before I wear these out, I hurt my back last week and probably wont skate again for a while. :(
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
If I could, I most certainly would; I'd drop both kicks down enough to bring the deck length from 32.25" to 31.88" - basically matching up with the Foy but squared tips and steep!
I couldn't resist the 8.3 twin since I dig the 8.5 Foy so much, but want something just a bit trimmer all around that isn't a slick. Dims are dead on.
Now...which trucks...I have too many trucks...about 1 finger of flat, medium kicks
(https://i.ibb.co/h73VSDb/IMG-2675.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h73VSDb)
I'll use Thunders on mine... but then again, I use Thunders on everything! ;D
I wish I could share how that combo works for me but I have not set it up yet, I currently have both a Worrest and a Foy setup with some life left... and it may be a while before I wear these out, I hurt my back last week and it might be a while before I can skate again. :(
Been on the Foy with 149 Royals, it still has life, feels really fun but I've never been able to shake the 'it feels too big' vibe...same when I skate the Neen (or any) 8.25" twin. I just prefer 8.3s, have forever but as noted the dlx 8.3 and me don't vibe well.
Very tempted to throw on Thunders due to the shorter WB the quasi has but Royals just feel (and sound) too good.
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
If I could, I most certainly would; I'd drop both kicks down enough to bring the deck length from 32.25" to 31.88" - basically matching up with the Foy but squared tips and steep!
I couldn't resist the 8.3 twin since I dig the 8.5 Foy so much, but want something just a bit trimmer all around that isn't a slick. Dims are dead on.
Now...which trucks...I have too many trucks...about 1 finger of flat, medium kicks
(https://i.ibb.co/h73VSDb/IMG-2675.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h73VSDb)
I'll use Thunders on mine... but then again, I use Thunders on everything! ;D
I wish I could share how that combo works for me but I have not set it up yet, I currently have both a Worrest and a Foy setup with some life left... and it may be a while before I wear these out, I hurt my back last week and it might be a while before I can skate again. :(
Been on the Foy with 149 Royals, it still has life, feels really fun but I've never been able to shake the 'it feels too big' vibe...same when I skate the Neen (or any) 8.25" twin. I just prefer 8.3s, have forever but as noted the dlx 8.3 and me don't vibe well.
Very tempted to throw on Thunders due to the shorter WB the quasi has but Royals just feel (and sound) too good.
I know Justin Henry skates that shape with Indy's, similar WB compared to the new Royals I think? Much taller and he also rides big wheels but it looks like it works well for him. Obviously it doesn't mean that's true for you and others but, might be worth a try if you already have the trucks.
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Ive always wanted to skate a twin tail with bigger "Tails" like not quite a twin nose but just more space to flick off of, i didn't even know mark had a twin tail. Does the suciu twin tail have larger "Tails" than the Ishod/crob decks? if they are i might have to try it out
Thanks for this, might have to pick up a Foy or try try out the chocolate twins
The Suciu are BIG ASS NOSE kicks without a doubt...switching back to the foy was like night and day, the Foy being much stubbier in comparison.
I tried to setup the suciu again and give it another shot, it's just....weird feeling to me due to it's over all, and kick, length.
I know some people shape down their boards a bit, so was wondering if this would be an option on the AWS / Habitat deck, but every time I think about it, I don't really feel motivated to try, even though I will happily modify other aspects of skateboards from time to time.
If I could, I most certainly would; I'd drop both kicks down enough to bring the deck length from 32.25" to 31.88" - basically matching up with the Foy but squared tips and steep!
I couldn't resist the 8.3 twin since I dig the 8.5 Foy so much, but want something just a bit trimmer all around that isn't a slick. Dims are dead on.
Now...which trucks...I have too many trucks...about 1 finger of flat, medium kicks
(https://i.ibb.co/h73VSDb/IMG-2675.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h73VSDb)
I'll use Thunders on mine... but then again, I use Thunders on everything! ;D
I wish I could share how that combo works for me but I have not set it up yet, I currently have both a Worrest and a Foy setup with some life left... and it may be a while before I wear these out, I hurt my back last week and it might be a while before I can skate again. :(
Been on the Foy with 149 Royals, it still has life, feels really fun but I've never been able to shake the 'it feels too big' vibe...same when I skate the Neen (or any) 8.25" twin. I just prefer 8.3s, have forever but as noted the dlx 8.3 and me don't vibe well.
Very tempted to throw on Thunders due to the shorter WB the quasi has but Royals just feel (and sound) too good.
I know Justin Henry skates that shape with Indy's, similar WB compared to the new Royals I think? Much taller and he also rides big wheels but it looks like it works well for him. Obviously it doesn't mean that's true for you and others but, might be worth a try if you already have the trucks.
Coming off the Foy the shape is perfect, just smaller all around as expected, including WB. Strong DLX TT vibe going on but the wood feels better to me (slick dull thud is gone) and the kicks have just a slightly better taper at the tip than either the foy or dlx.
Been running it with the Royals but going to give thunders a shot to pull that wheelbase out a bit and try out the NFG bushings.
One odd thing I can't figure out is I've got a 'rail rattle' but no rails. Every nut and bolt is secure (I even removed all play on the wheels to test) but it's there. Can't figure it out.
Also, it's BBS if anyone was needing that info
https://quasiskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/henry-mirror-8-375
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I thought about getting that Justin Henry board after picking up those ace lows…..to mellow out the steep kicks or the Ishod to lengthen the nose and tighten the wheel base up.
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I thought about getting that Justin Henry board after picking up those ace lows…..to mellow out the steep kicks or the Ishod to lengthen the nose and tighten the wheel base up.
It's definitely a 'small' feeling 8.3 (feels trimmer than the DLX), which is perfect since I can never decide between 8.25 (fulls) or trim 8.3s; it doesn't feel like a boat at all. Paired with the ACEs I bet you'd get that feeling you are looking for. As you know it depends on which board you get out of the press but mine is pretty medium all around.
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Strong DLX TT vibe going on but the wood feels better to me (slick dull thud is gone)
No way! I hadn't put that particular 2+2 together. I went from a normal R7 popsicle that had an amazingly crisp and clean sounding pop to a couple of DLX TT slicks that have a much more lifeless sound. It's been driving me mental and you may have pinpointed the issue.
Definitely going to pull the trigger on the Quasi twin but I'm still waiting patiently for an R7 or Primitive twin (DLX I know, but the few Primitives I've had before have been really crispy).
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Strong DLX TT vibe going on but the wood feels better to me (slick dull thud is gone)
No way! I hadn't put that particular 2+2 together. I went from a normal R7 popsicle that had an amazingly crisp and clean sounding pop to a couple of DLX TT slicks that have a much more lifeless sound. It's been driving me mental and you may have pinpointed the issue.
Definitely going to pull the trigger on the Quasi twin but I'm still waiting patiently for an R7 or Primitive twin (DLX I know, but the few Primitives I've had before have been really crispy).
Coming off an R7 (love them) anything but a flight/VX/NHS/Dwindle board is going to feel dull and lifeless.
My last Santa Cruz slick was a tad heavier/duller than a regular board but still crispy sounding/feeling compared to the DLX slick. Just the materials I suppose.
Hoping Dwindle (my guess is under Madness) will do a twin, or enjoi with some stupid 'double dong' marketing vibe, as they do.
Maybe creature does a run or SC learns how to actually make twin kicks that match in shape.
Primitive twin would be sick, I love their shapes (you mean BBS?)
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Strong DLX TT vibe going on but the wood feels better to me (slick dull thud is gone)
No way! I hadn't put that particular 2+2 together. I went from a normal R7 popsicle that had an amazingly crisp and clean sounding pop to a couple of DLX TT slicks that have a much more lifeless sound. It's been driving me mental and you may have pinpointed the issue.
Definitely going to pull the trigger on the Quasi twin but I'm still waiting patiently for an R7 or Primitive twin (DLX I know, but the few Primitives I've had before have been really crispy).
Coming off an R7 (love them) anything but a flight/VX/NHS/Dwindle board is going to feel dull and lifeless.
My last Santa Cruz slick was a tad heavier/duller than a regular board but still crispy sounding/feeling compared to the DLX slick. Just the materials I suppose.
Hoping Dwindle (my guess is under Madness) will do a twin, or enjoi with some stupid 'double dong' marketing vibe, as they do.
Maybe creature does a run or SC learns how to actually make twin kicks that match in shape.
Primitive twin would be sick, I love their shapes (you mean BBS?)
Haha, aye, I did mean to say BBS.
I think if Dwindle put out a twin in that fuller shape they've been putting out recently then that would be my go to. I was reluctant to try a Chinese deck but eventually caved and ended up really liking it.
The Quasi is arriving tomorrow, stoked to set it up.
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Finally got around to setting up and skating my first twin tail. This Ishod slick. Here's my opinion after skating it for 3 days.
I've had this deck sitting in my stockpile for maybe 6 months. I usually have 1-3 backup decks at a time. I was thinking I might fall in love with the twin so much that I wouldn't want to skate anything else. So I went through all my other boards first before setting this up. And for the first time in a while, I have no backups. For reference, before this I've been on a steady diet of the DLX 8.38, 14.5 WB board. So the Ishod's measurements are fairly similar as far as width & WB.
The first thing I noticed when setting it up was how much smaller all around it felt. 8.3 as opposed to 8.38. You can feel that slightly skinnier board. My wheels (149 standard Indys, 52 F4 classic full) stick out a little more. And having a smaller "nose" gets less length. By the third day though, I've adjusted to the size.
I really like the slick. It slides great and I think it helped on some of the things I skated this weekend.
I like the twin aspect for a couple things. Shuv tricks and tre flips feel good with the equal balanced weight. But besides that, I'm not really a fan. My limited switch and nollie game is even worse with the smaller nose. I was also trying a noseslide to fakie nosegrind combo and it was really tough. I grabbed another board out of my quiver with a normal big nose and it was so much easier. So, I don't hate it enough where I'll be taking it off. But, this will be my one and only twin.
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Strong DLX TT vibe going on but the wood feels better to me (slick dull thud is gone)
No way! I hadn't put that particular 2+2 together. I went from a normal R7 popsicle that had an amazingly crisp and clean sounding pop to a couple of DLX TT slicks that have a much more lifeless sound. It's been driving me mental and you may have pinpointed the issue.
Definitely going to pull the trigger on the Quasi twin but I'm still waiting patiently for an R7 or Primitive twin (DLX I know, but the few Primitives I've had before have been really crispy).
Coming off an R7 (love them) anything but a flight/VX/NHS/Dwindle board is going to feel dull and lifeless.
My last Santa Cruz slick was a tad heavier/duller than a regular board but still crispy sounding/feeling compared to the DLX slick. Just the materials I suppose.
Hoping Dwindle (my guess is under Madness) will do a twin, or enjoi with some stupid 'double dong' marketing vibe, as they do.
Maybe creature does a run or SC learns how to actually make twin kicks that match in shape.
Primitive twin would be sick, I love their shapes (you mean BBS?)
last Creature John Gardner deck i had was R7 twin and was a blast
https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/8-84in-x-31-42in-gardner-horrifico-creature-skateboard-deck?variant=42048988119197
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That Gardner wheelbase is much to small for me these days or I would have jumped.
Funny bouncing back to a regular big nose small tail board (8.3 toy machine), I didn’t like it, felt super awkward and boaty. I’ve always preferred rounded fat noses and not the long ‘habitat’ style.
I like not having to worry about board direction and I’ve gained all my nose tricks (noillie or fakie even pop bs shuvs I always did off the nose ) after a few twin boards; going to take longer than three days.
Really digging the quasi twin.
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yeah, i'm short and old, so the short wheelbase is my saving grace. Also lets me step up in width a bit for stability, but still keep my two flip tricks on lock.
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yeah, i'm short and old, so the short wheelbase is my saving grace. Also lets me step up in width a bit for stability, but still keep my two flip tricks on lock.
Whatever keeps us flipping/rolling, man.
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(https://i.imgur.com/C9clKOI.jpg?1)
Glider IceBlink 8.5" Twin Tail
Thunder 149 Hollow Lights
Spitfire F4 Classics 53mm
Bones Big Balls
Diamond 7/8" allen hardware
Super fun first session, totally weird trying to not throw the board down the same way every trick. I may need to get some new bushings because these do lean a bit one way but I haven't found the new thunder replacement bushings anywhere.
The shape is awesome, shout out to @Paul_gliderskateboards
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I love this Quasi TT. I think it’s very steep but normally I’ve been skating flat 7.5s, so I’m probably not the best judge for that. Flips pretty effortlessly though compared to the 8.3 Ishod I’ve had.
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Glider IceBlink 8.5" Twin Tail
Thunder 149 Hollow Lights
Spitfire F4 Classics 53mm
Bones Big Balls
Diamond 7/8" allen hardware
Super fun first session, totally weird trying to not throw the board down the same way every trick. I may need to get some new bushings because these do lean a bit one way but I haven't found the new thunder replacement bushings anywhere.
The shape is awesome, shout out to @Paul_gliderskateboards
What are the length/WB specs on these?
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(https://i.imgur.com/C9clKOI.jpg?1)
Glider IceBlink 8.5" Twin Tail
Thunder 149 Hollow Lights
Spitfire F4 Classics 53mm
Bones Big Balls
Diamond 7/8" allen hardware
Super fun first session, totally weird trying to not throw the board down the same way every trick. I may need to get some new bushings because these do lean a bit one way but I haven't found the new thunder replacement bushings anywhere.
The shape is awesome, shout out to @Paul_gliderskateboards
What are the length/WB specs on these?
Wheel Base Tail Nose Length
8.5 14.4 6.625 6.625 31.85
Haven’t confirmed with a tape measure yet, these are pulled from their website
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Appreciate the shoutout, and happy to hear you enjoy the board!
On first order, we offer slap pals discounts since we like the community so much :) Shoot us a DM on IG if youre ever interested
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I love this Quasi TT. I think it’s very steep but normally I’ve been skating flat 7.5s, so I’m probably not the best judge for that. Flips pretty effortlessly though compared to the 8.3 Ishod I’ve had.
I've tried a ton of twins, the Quasi 8.375 is the best by far/so far for me. Not too big, not too small, just the right amount of everything. Going to suck when the fad is over and we can't get them anymore =(
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I love this Quasi TT. I think it’s very steep but normally I’ve been skating flat 7.5s, so I’m probably not the best judge for that. Flips pretty effortlessly though compared to the 8.3 Ishod I’ve had.
I've tried a ton of twins, the Quasi 8.375 is the best by far/so far for me. Not too big, not too small, just the right amount of everything. Going to suck when the fad is over and we can't get them anymore =(
That’s exactly what I’m thinking man
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I love this Quasi TT. I think it’s very steep but normally I’ve been skating flat 7.5s, so I’m probably not the best judge for that. Flips pretty effortlessly though compared to the 8.3 Ishod I’ve had.
I've tried a ton of twins, the Quasi 8.375 is the best by far/so far for me. Not too big, not too small, just the right amount of everything. Going to suck when the fad is over and we can't get them anymore =(
this is going to sound dark but - i foresee brands & board co's going away before twin tails go away entirely. idk if that's worse or better when it comes to the ability to get a beloved shape
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Both have been happening for over a decade; that was really the last twin kick fad (mystery, creature and plan b were the only options).
Now, a few reputable companies are making them and yes, there are [too] many board brands out there.
If I had to guess, dlx and maybe welcome (since it fits well with their unique shape image) will keep the twins in rotation, possibly deathwish for as long as foy is popular and they keep giving neen a board.
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Both have been happening for over a decade; that was really the last twin kick fad (mystery, creature and plan b were the only options).
Now, a few reputable companies are making them and yes, there are [too] many board brands out there.
If I had to guess, dlx and maybe welcome (since it fits well with they’re unique shape image) will keep the twins in rotation, possibly deathwish for as long as foy is popular and they keep giving neen a board.
tbh i dipped for that era lol, would you say the pro's associated with TT decks these days are a bigger deal than prior eras?
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Both have been happening for over a decade; that was really the last twin kick fad (mystery, creature and plan b were the only options).
Now, a few reputable companies are making them and yes, there are [too] many board brands out there.
If I had to guess, dlx and maybe welcome (since it fits well with they’re unique shape image) will keep the twins in rotation, possibly deathwish for as long as foy is popular and they keep giving neen a board.
tbh i dipped for that era lol, would you say the pro's associated with TT decks these days are a bigger deal than prior eras?
I'd say so. Not sure how many people were buying the Mystery Jimmy Carlin Symetry boards ;)
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Both have been happening for over a decade; that was really the last twin kick fad (mystery, creature and plan b were the only options).
Now, a few reputable companies are making them and yes, there are [too] many board brands out there.
If I had to guess, dlx and maybe welcome (since it fits well with they’re unique shape image) will keep the twins in rotation, possibly deathwish for as long as foy is popular and they keep giving neen a board.
tbh i dipped for that era lol, would you say the pro's associated with TT decks these days are a bigger deal than prior eras?
I'd say so. ishod, foy, neen, suciu, malto, and crob (nine club) hold a lot of weight.
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It’s been fun watching the scrapes develop evenly on each side, I haven’t really been worrying about which way I put the board down but if I notice I’m getting more wear on one side I’ll swap it around. The crooks marks at each corner are especially satisfying
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It’s been fun watching the scrapes develop evenly on each side, I haven’t really been worrying about which way I put the board down but if I notice I’m getting more wear on one side I’ll swap it around. The crooks marks at each corner are especially satisfying
I do the same thing, if I see I'm skating more one way (usually due to not falling off), I switch on purpose.
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I just started skating an 8.5 twin tail Ishod deck. It’s been really fun so far, but I’ve not spent enough time on it to have a serious impression of it. I normally skate baker OG mellow shapes, and it feels relatively similar in terms of concave and kick steepness (minus a steeper/longer nose).
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I just started skating an 8.5 twin tail Ishod deck. It’s been really fun so far, but I’ve not spent enough time on it to have a serious impression of it. I normally skate baker OG mellow shapes, and it feels relatively similar in terms of concave and kick steepness (minus a steeper/longer nose).
I love the shape on that Ishod TT. I don't think I'll ever be a dedicated twin tail only rider, but I'm loving mine and I'll probably keep one in the quiver
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I tried a twin tail. Hated it.
I skate my back truck a little tighter than my front, which I skate very loose.
Plus my front truck got the crooks groove, so I still skated it in only one direction.
I basically just had a board with a tiny nose.
Totally pointless (for me)
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Welcome has a new twin shape in 8.25, 8.5, and 8.75 "evil twin" shape.
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Every brand is trying out a twin shape it seems. The Mark McKee chromeball had a picture of dimensions Rodney Mullen wrote way back in 91/92 I think and lots of the pro models had same size nose and tail length. Hopefully more brands incorporate it. Some more 8.0 twins are needed.
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I tried a twin tail. Hated it.
I skate my back truck a little tighter than my front, which I skate very loose.
Plus my front truck got the crooks groove, so I still skated it in only one direction.
I basically just had a board with a tiny nose.
Totally pointless (for me)
yeah, if you don't run your trucks (fairly) even, it definitely won't work. I actually bought a thunder rebuild kit when I set up mine to get them as fresh as possible.
The Glider I'm riding is really fat and round on both ends which is my ideal shape. However, I'll still keep my standard set ups. The TT is just a really fun board to pull out every couple of sessions.
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Seems weird welcome picked such a plain Jane shape….I think they could have at least thrown in two sets of money bumps…..
Like if && dropped a double dill…
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For me and probably others a twin tail is so I could do a switch front shuv then continue and do a switch 50-50 without having to do a fakie or another switch shuv in between. I can just go and do a switch 50 off the tail it just feels weird when you are so used to popping off the nose switch. If both nose and tail are same steepness and length this issue goes away.
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When I skate a twin my switch meter goes up 15%, my nollie game drops 20% and my shuvs increase by 100%.
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Welcome has a new twin shape in 8.25, 8.5, and 8.75 "evil twin" shape.
Having a twin in 8.75 is a first isn't it?
Also having 6.75 kicks would definitely appeal to more people who have wanted a little more on their kicks, compared to the smaller or shorter twins with around 6.5 kicks.
Should be a shape more people would ride, so I can see why they would bring that out, as the rest of their product seems to have dated and I hardly see anyone around with a Welcome deck anymore.
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https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/bird-brain-on-evil-twin-black-prism-foil-8-75
Looked it up and it says 14.75 wb which is pretty long as well.
Not sure how many people would be going for that, but for a bigger, wider and now I see longer board, I guess it all makes sense.
The others are much shorter wheelbases, from what I can see.
8.25" x 31.95" with a 14.0" Wheelbase
8.5" x 31.95" with a 14.25" Wheelbase
8.75" x 32.45" with a 14.75" Wheelbase
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That 14.75” wheelbase 8.75” twin sounds very intriguing for me. Unfortunately it’s a Welcome and those aren’t sold by any shops in Finland and online they’re quite expensive in Europe for some reason.
On the site it says you should run it with 139s or 149s which is a bit weird. I’d think 159s would surely fit better. Doesn’t look like it tapers much at all. Shape looks really nice IMO.
For the graphic they could’ve done something symmetrical. I love when twin tails have a symmetrical graphic also. Makes it a bit more fun for me.
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That 14.75” wheelbase 8.75” twin sounds very intriguing for me. Unfortunately it’s a Welcome and those aren’t sold by any shops in Finland and online they’re quite expensive in Europe for some reason.
On the site it says you should run it with 139s or 149s which is a bit weird. I’d think 159s would surely fit better. Doesn’t look like it tapers much at all. Shape looks really nice IMO.
For the graphic they could’ve done something symmetrical. I love when twin tails have a symmetrical graphic also. Makes it a bit more fun for me.
Re truck widths, I am thinking their site page was just a template they didn't update, as it says that for all of the twins, but was correct for a few other boards of different sizes. Definitely including 159s on 8.75 decks.
Looks like the shape does run really nicely - straight through the rail.
From what I can see of a few graphics, at least one is a "twin graphic" as per the 8.25 in the earlier pic and this link below, but I agree a twin almost seems lacking if it doesn't have some sort of symmetrical graphic on it. I think Welcome is the only company that has kept a specific named graphic and a specific named shape throughout the company, almost like a first and last name, but always NAME on SHAPE for every board.
https://welcomeskateboards.com/products/peggy-on-evil-twin-white-8-25
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Currently skating a TT Girl 8.25 and really enjoying it.
Was talking at the skatepark and someone said they view having a nose and a tail like a multi-tool, with each one suited a bit better for different tricks. What do people think? Had never thought of it like that but could see his point
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Currently skating a TT Girl 8.25 and really enjoying it.
Was talking at the skatepark and someone said they view having a nose and a tail like a multi-tool, with each one suited a bit better for different tricks. What do people think? Had never thought of it like that but could see his point
He's probably parroting what Paul Schmitt was saying on the 9club - they have a point, I guess, however I don't think I will ever turn my board around and pop an ollie off my nose to try and clear a gap that I'm otherwise shorting. That example seemed silly to me, but I guess it happened.
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Currently skating a TT Girl 8.25 and really enjoying it.
Was talking at the skatepark and someone said they view having a nose and a tail like a multi-tool, with each one suited a bit better for different tricks. What do people think? Had never thought of it like that but could see his point
Yeah, in theory it makes sense, but after listening to that episode I tried it for a couple tricks that weren't working and......they still didn't work off the nose. If anything it was worse since my board felt totally foreign. Maybe for pros who have insane control it could work that the extra angle/pop off the nose gets them the extra couple inches of height or whatever.
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Currently skating a TT Girl 8.25 and really enjoying it.
Was talking at the skatepark and someone said they view having a nose and a tail like a multi-tool, with each one suited a bit better for different tricks. What do people think? Had never thought of it like that but could see his point
Same deck and loving it, need to pick up another one soon.
I've no desire to go back to a regular nose/tail board for the type of skating i do, a lot of flatground stuff and favour fakie tricks over nollie...i'm noticing this deck lasting quite a bit longer due to the nose and tail getting roughly equal wear. Perfect deck for me tbh.
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All the tricks I thought I 'needed' to do off the nose after riding a twin didn't actually need to be done off the nose; minor timing/foot placement adjustments were all that was needed.
It's actually harder to 'let go' the need to switch your board around or just jump on and go without needing to look down or think about your board.
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There’s just not enough 8.0 twins. I used to skate the Ishod 8.3 but after learning switch heels on an 8.0 I haven’t sized up again.
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There’s just not enough 8.0 twins. I used to skate the Ishod 8.3 but after learning switch heels on an 8.0 I haven’t sized up again.
8.125" if you can deal would be your best bet.
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https://www.tactics.com/thank-you/downside-up-84-twin-tail-skateboard-deck/multi
WIDTH (IN): 8.4
LENGTH (IN): 32.0
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.25
NOSE (IN): 6.9
TAIL (IN): 6.9
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https://www.tactics.com/thank-you/downside-up-84-twin-tail-skateboard-deck/multi
WIDTH (IN): 8.4
LENGTH (IN): 32.0
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.25
NOSE (IN): 6.9
TAIL (IN): 6.9
Jeez, thank you graphics are bad.
I’m ordering another deck from Glider; really liked my first one. Also considered the real Ishod but couldn’t find one anywhere
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https://www.tactics.com/thank-you/downside-up-84-twin-tail-skateboard-deck/multi
WIDTH (IN): 8.4
LENGTH (IN): 32.0
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.25
NOSE (IN): 6.9
TAIL (IN): 6.9
Jeez, thank you graphics are bad.
I’m ordering another deck from Glider; really liked my first one. Also considered the real Ishod but couldn’t find one anywhere
Interesting dimensions.
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Hi guys,
Just a quick sale for a few days to give back to the slap community: SLAPPALS30 for 30% off your entire order. Free shipping and Grip
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Hi guys,
Just a quick sale for a few days to give back to the slap community: SLAPPALS30 for 30% off your entire order. Free shipping and Grip
Damn. Bought mine a week too early!!
I would recommend any posters who are twin tail curious give glider a shot. I’m on my second deck and back them fully. The 8.5” to me is perfect
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Hi guys,
Just a quick sale for a few days to give back to the slap community: SLAPPALS30 for 30% off your entire order. Free shipping and Grip
Damn. Bought mine a week too early!!
I would recommend any posters who are twin tail curious give glider a shot. I’m on my second deck and back them fully. The 8.5” to me is perfect
Ah, thank you so much for the support! e-mail us if you're interested in another. We got you on a discount
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Loving my new Welcome Evil Twin shape...How did it take this fucking long for twin tails to just start to catch on?
Has anyone ever gone back to regular pops after using a twin tail? Does it feel weird?
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Loving my new Welcome Evil Twin shape...How did it take this fucking long for twin tails to just start to catch on?
Has anyone ever gone back to regular pops after using a twin tail? Does it feel weird?
I've gone back [and forth] to regular boards a few times because the Twins because I can't trust that they'd remain a staple (not a fan of the DLX twins); I'd much rather be able to get gear I like on a regular basis and not hope it's comes in future drops.
Welcome seems to be the type of company that would keep that shape in rotation tho.
So far the to favs were the Deathwish Foy and Quasi Henry.
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Loving my new Welcome Evil Twin shape...How did it take this fucking long for twin tails to just start to catch on?
Good to hear, this is going to be the next twin I try. Was on the Quasi Henry and now back on the Ishod 8.3 slick.
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Loving my new Welcome Evil Twin shape...How did it take this fucking long for twin tails to just start to catch on?
Has anyone ever gone back to regular pops after using a twin tail? Does it feel weird?
I have a twin tail set up and standard popsicle in my trunk right now. I swap back and forth depending on where I'm skating, so it isn't too hard to readjust. It doesn't make a ton of sense for me to skate a twin, I have almost 0 switch tricks. I just think it's cool and novel and I love having two big square kicks on both sides. And it's fun just throwing the board down any which way and watching it wear evenly on each side
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Would anyone be able to help an older beginner (37) ? I’m so torn on shape and what to get. Bought a 8.0 and 8.5 Thank You and Chocolate , but the thank you just doesn’t feel right and the Chocolate was too big and the rails were too steep.
How you rate a Krooked Worrest Twin Tail 8.38 vs Polar 8.25 vs Glider twin tail 8.25 vs WKND
Looking for mellow concave, mellow kicks and a stable but good size but a shaped nose for slides and rails and ledges not looking to do flips that much. Thanks for the help of you can
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Would anyone be able to help an older beginner (37) ? I’m so torn on shape and what to get. Bought a 8.0 and 8.5 Thank You and Chocolate , but the thank you just doesn’t feel right and the Chocolate was too big and the rails were too steep.
How you rate a Krooked Worrest Twin Tail 8.38 vs Polar 8.25 vs Glider twin tail 8.25 vs WKND
Looking for mellow concave, mellow kicks and a stable but good size but a shaped nose for slides and rails and ledges not looking to do flips that much. Thanks for the help of you can
It won't be much help, but you sort of have to try and find what works for you. That being said, if 8.5 felt too big, you may want to go down to 8.25 next. 8.38" isn't much smaller than 8.5".
If you want a mellow board, you might consider a Baker board with the OG shape and Mellow concave?
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Loving my new Welcome Evil Twin shape...How did it take this fucking long for twin tails to just start to catch on?
Has anyone ever gone back to regular pops after using a twin tail? Does it feel weird?
I’ve gone back and forward too. I prefer a bigger nose for nollies but a twin tail for switch. Even though I always think I’m just gonna skate twins from now on after being on one for a while, when it’s time to switch the board I feel like I want something else.
Did you get the 8.75” Welcome twin? That shape really interests me with the long wheelbase.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
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@Xen why don't you like the DLX twins? I ride a DLX 8.25/BBS 8.38 (they're the same shape) and Bobby's 8.38 looks like it's basically the same deck but with 2 tails and seemed like it could be a good starting point for me. I pop pretty deep in the pocket off my nose so I might not need the length. My minimum WB is 14.38 so the Quasi decks are all too small.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
Is that the 8.5 version?
I thought you had some of them before, or I might be thinking of Roisto who had them and liked them.
They are a good sized bigger board, super big rounded kicks, but the one I have just scared me, so I never set it up.
8.5 with 14.5 wb and 6.75 kicks if I recall correctly.
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Loving my new Welcome Evil Twin shape...How did it take this fucking long for twin tails to just start to catch on?
Has anyone ever gone back to regular pops after using a twin tail? Does it feel weird?
I’ve gone back and forward too. I prefer a bigger nose for nollies but a twin tail for switch. Even though I always think I’m just gonna skate twins from now on after being on one for a while, when it’s time to switch the board I feel like I want something else.
Did you get the 8.75” Welcome twin? That shape really interests me with the long wheelbase.
Yep, posted it in the setup thread. I'm a taller dude and I really enjoy really long boards and wheelbases.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
Is that the 8.5 version?
I thought you had some of them before, or I might be thinking of Roisto who had them and liked them.
They are a good sized bigger board, super big rounded kicks, but the one I have just scared me, so I never set it up.
8.5 with 14.5 wb and 6.75 kicks if I recall correctly.
Cheers, yes it‘s the 8.5. I had a series of Neen twin noses which were longer than the Ishod, now I have a Foy (plus one on ice) which are presumably a hair shorter. The Ishod could be the sweet spot in between…
I dug up the dims for the Neen and the Foy.
Foy:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 81 cm = 31.9"
WB = 36.25 cm = 14.27"
Kicks = 6.75“
Neen:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 83.1 cm = 32.7"
WB = 36.8 cm = 14.5"
Kicks = 7“
Do you still have the Ishod and could provide exact dims? Also, how steep are the concave and the kicks? The Neen was quite flat, the Foy has a bit more concave.
EDIT: so is this the standard Ishod twin shape which will be reissued regularly with different graphics? A steady supply of decks would be nice as I find it convenient just to pop on another identical board without having to adjust. The Neen was discontinued and the Foy seems to be discontinued as well, or will they come around?
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
Is that the 8.5 version?
I thought you had some of them before, or I might be thinking of Roisto who had them and liked them.
They are a good sized bigger board, super big rounded kicks, but the one I have just scared me, so I never set it up.
8.5 with 14.5 wb and 6.75 kicks if I recall correctly.
Cheers, yes it‘s the 8.5. I had a series of Neen twin noses which were longer than the Ishod, now I have a Foy (plus one on ice) which are presumably a hair shorter. The Ishod could be the sweet spot in between…
I dug up the dims for the Neen and the Foy.
Foy:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 81 cm = 31.9"
WB = 36.25 cm = 14.27"
Kicks = 6.75“
Neen:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 83.1 cm = 32.7"
WB = 36.8 cm = 14.5"
Kicks = 7“
Do you still have the Ishod and could provide exact dims? Also, how steep are the concave and the kicks? The Neen was quite flat, the Foy has a bit more concave.
EDIT: so is this the standard Ishod twin shape which will be reissued regularly with different graphics? A steady supply of decks would be nice as I find it convenient just to pop on another identical board without having to adjust. The Neen was discontinued and the Foy seems to be discontinued as well, or will they come around?
I have an unskated Ishod 8.5” twin here. Number III in the press. I loved the one I skated a good while ago.
Width: 8.4375”
Width middle of the truck holes: 8.4375”
Length (straight across): 31.875”
Wheelbase: 14.5”
Kicks: 6.75”
Kick angles: 22.0°
Concave feels normal to me. I skate mostly DLX boards. It’s definitely not flat but nothing crazy either. It’s a good well balanced, sized and shaped board IMO. Get one and see for yourself.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
the 8.5 ishod twin feels way more bulky than the 8.3. Obviously its a bigger board, but the proportions of the kicks are fatter and less tapered than the 8.3. I skate the 8.5 once and gave it away. Love the 8.3's
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
the 8.5 ishod twin feels way more bulky than the 8.3. Obviously its a bigger board, but the proportions of the kicks are fatter and less tapered than the 8.3. I skate the 8.5 once and gave it away. Love the 8.3's
I ordered two Ishods and will report back. I once had a „regular“ Ishod 8.5 full shape which I loved and a tapered Ishod 8.38 that I hated so chances are good that we have opposite tastes and I will like the bulky thing.
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I got a symmetrical egg and having a cool time on it, but realise I should have paired it with new trucks or at least bushings so it feels the same both ways, then I could really be living that both ways life
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I got a symmetrical egg and having a cool time on it, but realise I should have paired it with new trucks or at least bushings so it feels the same both ways, then I could really be living that both ways life
That's what I did when I got my twin tail. Thunder rebuild kit with new bushings and broke them in both ways.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
I thought you had some of them before, or I might be thinking of Roisto who had them and liked them.
They are a good sized bigger board, super big rounded kicks, but the one I have just scared me, so I never set it up.
8.5 with 14.5 wb and 6.75 kicks if I recall correctly.
Cheers, yes it‘s the 8.5. I had a series of Neen twin noses which were longer than the Ishod, now I have a Foy (plus one on ice) which are presumably a hair shorter. The Ishod could be the sweet spot in between…
Do you still have the Ishod and could provide exact dims? Also, how steep are the concave and the kicks? The Neen was quite flat, the Foy has a bit more concave.
I have an unskated Ishod 8.5” twin here. Number III in the press. I loved the one I skated a good while ago.
Width: 8.4375”
Width middle of the truck holes: 8.4375”
Length (straight across): 31.875”
Wheelbase: 14.5”
Kicks: 6.75”
Kick angles: 22.0°
Concave feels normal to me. I skate mostly DLX boards. It’s definitely not flat but nothing crazy either. It’s a good well balanced, sized and shaped board IMO. Get one and see for yourself.
Glad Roisto has all those details.
I had been a bit busy and the one I still have is in a box somewhere.
And yes at least they are the same shape again and again, so if you do like the two you have bought, it is then just down to which graphic and then which stamped number you prefer, if shops you deal with get a few at least you can choose.
There is a noticeable difference in concave between I and IV, but I shouldn't get into that too much.
See for yourself and go from there.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
I thought you had some of them before, or I might be thinking of Roisto who had them and liked them.
They are a good sized bigger board, super big rounded kicks, but the one I have just scared me, so I never set it up.
8.5 with 14.5 wb and 6.75 kicks if I recall correctly.
Cheers, yes it‘s the 8.5. I had a series of Neen twin noses which were longer than the Ishod, now I have a Foy (plus one on ice) which are presumably a hair shorter. The Ishod could be the sweet spot in between…
Do you still have the Ishod and could provide exact dims? Also, how steep are the concave and the kicks? The Neen was quite flat, the Foy has a bit more concave.
I have an unskated Ishod 8.5” twin here. Number III in the press. I loved the one I skated a good while ago.
Width: 8.4375”
Width middle of the truck holes: 8.4375”
Length (straight across): 31.875”
Wheelbase: 14.5”
Kicks: 6.75”
Kick angles: 22.0°
Concave feels normal to me. I skate mostly DLX boards. It’s definitely not flat but nothing crazy either. It’s a good well balanced, sized and shaped board IMO. Get one and see for yourself.
Glad Roisto has all those details.
I had been a bit busy and the one I still have is in a box somewhere.
And yes at least they are the same shape again and again, so if you do like the two you have bought, it is then just down to which graphic and then which stamped number you prefer, if shops you deal with get a few at least you can choose.
There is a noticeable difference in concave between I and IV, but I shouldn't get into that too much.
See for yourself and go from there.
I overlooked @Roisto post, thanks for that. Looks like the dims are pretty similar to the Foy except the slightly longer WB. I ordered two and will report back which roman numerals I got.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
the 8.5 ishod twin feels way more bulky than the 8.3. Obviously its a bigger board, but the proportions of the kicks are fatter and less tapered than the 8.3. I skate the 8.5 once and gave it away. Love the 8.3's
I ordered two Ishods and will report back. I once had a „regular“ Ishod 8.5 full shape which I loved and a tapered Ishod 8.38 that I hated so chances are good that we have opposite tastes and I will like the bulky thing.
Fair assessment! Hope it works for you.
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Looks like && is coming out with a twin tailboard, slightly squared off. No weird bumps or corners, just another corny VCJ graphic. And a shorter WB, 14.5. Maybe a touch under 9 inches.
I shaved the corners off and brought the wheelbase in on the old && I had and actually really like it. Especially with all the graphics rubbed off.
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Got the 8.5 Ishods. The sticker on the Ishod says the length is 32.2 but it is actually under 32, as the Foy 8.5 tt and the Ishod 8.5 tt are the exact same length. However, the kicks on the Foy are a tad longer, which makes for a longer WB on the Ishod. Other than that, the kicks of the Ishod are noticeably more square than the Foy. I got an I and a IV of the Ishods and the I is noticeably more concave than the IV but all of that was to be expected.
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Got the 8.5 Ishods. The sticker on the Ishod says the length is 32.2 but it is actually under 32, as the Foy 8.5 tt and the Ishod 8.5 tt are the exact same length. However, the kicks on the Foy are a tad longer, which makes for a longer WB on the Ishod. Other than that, the kicks of the Ishod are noticeably more square than the Foy. I got an I and a IV of the Ishods and the I is noticeably more concave than the IV but all of that was to be expected.
Opposite ends of the concave spectrum, but that could be a good thing to really feel out what they are like.
All other BBS boards are a bit more middle of the road in concave, but there were still the same noticeable differences in half a dozen of the same boards when they came in, some more mellow and some steeper concave.
At least with DLX you can have a number on the board to help you with concave madness - that is what I tell myself anyway.
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Looks like && is coming out with a twin tailboard, slightly squared off. No weird bumps or corners, just another corny VCJ graphic. And a shorter WB, 14.5. Maybe a touch under 9 inches.
I shaved the corners off and brought the wheelbase in on the old && I had and actually really like it. Especially with all the graphics rubbed off.
He said the width will be in between the two sizes of his old decks (8.45" and 9.13") so it should be around 8.75"
...Which is my goldilocks size. Fuck now I'm gonna need to join the && board cult.
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Twin && Flight. 8.7, but 8.5 at the trucks.
https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-2-flight-skateboard-deck-egg-shape-301-8-7-x-32-3-k20
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cia_0PTLJC_/
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Looks like && is coming out with a twin tailboard, slightly squared off. No weird bumps or corners, just another corny VCJ graphic. And a shorter WB, 14.5. Maybe a touch under 9 inches.
I shaved the corners off and brought the wheelbase in on the old && I had and actually really like it. Especially with all the graphics rubbed off.
He said the width will be in between the two sizes of his old decks (8.45" and 9.13") so it should be around 8.75"
...Which is my goldilocks size. Fuck now I'm gonna need to join the && board cult.
Looks like 8.7, 8.5 over the trucks.
I don’t want to buy a new pair of trucks just for the board, I might pass
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cia_0PTLJC_/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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"while street tricking"
(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/fellow-kids-header.jpg)
Street. Tricking.
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surprised they didn't have an arrow with specific reasons and usage for the bolt holes
can someone explain egged rails to me
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"while street tricking"
(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/fellow-kids-header.jpg)
Street. Tricking.
Powell on prostitution?
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Looks like && is coming out with a twin tailboard, slightly squared off. No weird bumps or corners, just another corny VCJ graphic. And a shorter WB, 14.5. Maybe a touch under 9 inches.
I shaved the corners off and brought the wheelbase in on the old && I had and actually really like it. Especially with all the graphics rubbed off.
He said the width will be in between the two sizes of his old decks (8.45" and 9.13") so it should be around 8.75"
...Which is my goldilocks size. Fuck now I'm gonna need to join the && board cult.
Looks like 8.7, 8.5 over the trucks.
I don’t want to buy a new pair of trucks just for the board, I might pass
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cia_0PTLJC_/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
lol that they made the crane logo an "&"
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Holy shit, they did!
Is this the first time a SLAP inside joke has gotten a graphic?
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00:29:30
https://youtu.be/W8bqrtXy6Hc
Nice to have another square tip option…not sure about that wb tho
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&& is available $109.95
https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-2-flight-skateboard-deck-egg-shape-301-8-7-x-32-3-k20
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Anyone ride the 8.25 ishod tt?
Curious how it stacks up to the regs dlx 8.25 (with the 14.38WB) and/or the full SE 8.25 (14.25wb). Knowing the ishod TT has a 14.33WB..I'm more concnered with the 'fullness' of the kicks and how they stack up to the other 8.25s.
I've been riding a shorter creature (slick) 8.25 with a 14.22 WB, but it's a bit rounded (but not full)...today I made the decision (mistake?) to ride a board that is closer in dims to the 8.25 FULL SE I've got coming, it was the Quasi 8.37/14.25wb twin which feels like a 'small' 8.3 or a 'big' 8.25...had a blast on it and was reminded how nice it is to not think about board direction...wondering how close the 8.25 ishod twin would stack up.
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After standing on one in the shop I will say that both ends are shaped exactly like the tail on the DLX 8.25 14.38. The TT is just a tad shorter. Being so used to the directional 8.25 14.38 it made the TT look “backwards “ to me when I was standing on it. I’m sure it’s something I would get used to looking at pretty quickly and I’m still thinking about going back for it.
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After standing on one in the shop I will say that both ends are shaped exactly like the tail on the DLX 8.25 14.38. The TT is just a tad shorter. Being so used to the directional 8.25 14.38 it made the TT look “backwards “ to me when I was standing on it. I’m sure it’s something I would get used to looking at pretty quickly and I’m still thinking about going back for it.
Thanks for that! I'll have to find one to stand on to get the feel (no TT around me locally without a hefty drive).
That Quasi is damn fun in case anyone is on the fence ;) maybe I'll ice the FULL SE and pick up another quasi twin since this one is done.
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"while street tricking"
(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/fellow-kids-header.jpg)
Street. Tricking.
For as long as they’ve been around you’d think they’d have a little more self respect.
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Are you tt riders using old trucks that have been on regular popsicles? Its the thing that keeps me from trying. I feel like I need a dedicated tt set of trucks so my mind won't go crazy.
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Are you tt riders using old trucks that have been on regular popsicles? Its the thing that keeps me from trying. I feel like I need a dedicated tt set of trucks so my mind won't go crazy.
I re-purposed a set of trucks but I did new bushings with a thorough break in period skating both ways. At a minimum you should do this unless you really want a new set of trucks
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Either go new bushing and cups and or just setup a twin from scratch and leave it as is.
You can use existing shit too, just get them nut flush and adjust the trucks evenly until they feel right.
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Are you tt riders using old trucks that have been on regular popsicles? Its the thing that keeps me from trying. I feel like I need a dedicated tt set of trucks so my mind won't go crazy.
It doesn't matter at all. Put the trucks on a twin, about the same tightness, do all kinds of tricks and try to find out which truck used to be the back truck. It won't be obvious unless you have crazy deep grooves. Or just switch the hangers/bushings around on your regular setup to try.
I don't get it at all, you don't even need new bushings or anything like that unless you've never used your board switch/fakie before. It's just slap thinking and going mad about stuff without even trying it in the first place.
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Are you tt riders using old trucks that have been on regular popsicles? Its the thing that keeps me from trying. I feel like I need a dedicated tt set of trucks so my mind won't go crazy.
I got a new set of trucks when first trying TT, and kept the old setup for comparison. I liked it, so kept buying TT decks. However, at some point I wanted to get a regular deck again, but I had gotten too attached to the trucks and bushing setup, so I kept getting TT just because I didn't wanna mess up the symmetry of the trucks. Then I snapped a deck while on a trip, so I had no choice but to go directional. Now I feel fine about it and wouldn't hesitate to set up a twin again, even if the grooves are a bit different now. It'll even out no problem.
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I only skate Twin Tails (mainly the DLX 8.3” Slicks) and decided to give the Santa Cruz Mc Coy 8.25” VX Twin Tail a go. The board feels super snappy/crispy because of the VX technology which I liked but I noticed something was a bit off. I measured both “kicks” and there was a 2-3mm difference in length 😬 One looks steeper than the other as well. Kinda dissapointed in this. I have another one still shrink wrapped that measures the same. Come on, how hard can it be to get the measurements right? It’s definitely not symmetrical. I guess I will stick with the Real/Krooked ones but want to try the Quasi’s and will also get the new Andy Anderson 🤪
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I only skate Twin Tails (mainly the DLX 8.3” Slicks) and decided to give the Santa Cruz Mc Coy 8.25” VX Twin Tail a go. The board feels super snappy/crispy because of the VX technology which I liked but I noticed something was a bit off. I measured both “kicks” and there was a 2-3mm difference in length 😬 One looks steeper than the other as well. Kinda dissapointed in this. I have another one still shrink wrapped that measures the same. Come on, how hard can it be to get the measurements right? It’s definitely not symmetrical. I guess I will stick with the Real/Krooked ones but want to try the Quasi’s and will also get the new Andy Anderson 🤪
From personal experience, none of the SC twin tails are (tho I think the Flamingo might have been), easy to spot the nose and tail; in most videos it's a 'symmetrical kick' meaning the degree of kick is supposedly the same....only the Creature Gardner was the true twin out of that house.
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-symmetrical-skateboard
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/345103483/BE26135D-B6C4-4DD3-809C-3A678AB60067.jpeg?auto=format&fit=max&w=800)
SYMMETRICAL CUSTOM DUAL NOSE SHAPE
DIMENSIONS:
8.25”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.5”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.75”W x 32”L x 14”WB
9.0”W x 32”L x 14”WB
6.75” Nose & Tail
-100% Made in USA
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-symmetrical-skateboard
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/345103483/BE26135D-B6C4-4DD3-809C-3A678AB60067.jpeg?auto=format&fit=max&w=800)
SYMMETRICAL CUSTOM DUAL NOSE SHAPE
DIMENSIONS:
8.25”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.5”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.75”W x 32”L x 14”WB
9.0”W x 32”L x 14”WB
6.75” Nose & Tail
-100% Made in USA
any info on the wood
made in usa has me hoping for pennswood
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-symmetrical-skateboard
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/345103483/BE26135D-B6C4-4DD3-809C-3A678AB60067.jpeg?auto=format&fit=max&w=800)
SYMMETRICAL CUSTOM DUAL NOSE SHAPE
DIMENSIONS:
8.25”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.5”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.75”W x 32”L x 14”WB
9.0”W x 32”L x 14”WB
6.75” Nose & Tail
-100% Made in USA
This is a.....fingerboard company?
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-symmetrical-skateboard
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/345103483/BE26135D-B6C4-4DD3-809C-3A678AB60067.jpeg?auto=format&fit=max&w=800)
SYMMETRICAL CUSTOM DUAL NOSE SHAPE
DIMENSIONS:
8.25”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.5”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.75”W x 32”L x 14”WB
9.0”W x 32”L x 14”WB
6.75” Nose & Tail
-100% Made in USA
This is a.....fingerboard company?
That apparently makes regular decks as well.
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-eggy-symmetrical-skateboard (https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-eggy-symmetrical-skateboard)
This might be the coolest twin tail I've ever seen.
9", with skinny tails and wheel wells? Fuck I'd love that. Way too expensive as a european though.
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I’ve been skating the most recent Ishod twin tail as if it has a differently sized nose & tail all because I chipped one of the tail ends distinctively early on and it’s like tricked my mind into treating the chipped tail as strictly the “nose” end of the board’ Anyone else ever have a similar experience with twin tail boards?
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Curious to know where his twin boards are made. I did ask on instagram.
Some posts have BBS for some of his boards.
No mention of the woodshop for these, but in an older post he says Atlanta. Anyone know which woodshop / woodshops operate there?
It was from this post.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CfeTh-Crt5X/
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only the Creature Gardner was the true twin out of that house.
Yo Xen, did you ever try the Gardner? Thinking of getting this one as I'm down with that snappy epoxy construction.
The dims on that Chems symmetrical are looking good too. Choices choices!
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Curious to know where his twin boards are made. I did ask on instagram.
Some posts have BBS for some of his boards.
No mention of the woodshop for these, but in an older post he says Atlanta. Anyone know which woodshop / woodshops operate there?
It was from this post.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CfeTh-Crt5X/
Drifter Skateboards MFG maybe..they're in Atlanta..
(https://i.ibb.co/sgmgLn9/Screenshot-2022-10-06-17-22-55-472-com-instagram-android.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sgmgLn9)
seems they hv some 8ply uncut symmetricals too..
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The twin nose is Drifter; other shapes are different shops, bbs, etc., depending on shape and situation.
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Yes, he replied.
Drifter for the symmetrical twin nose boards.
His own custom shape.
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Alien & Habitat just released new twin tail boards
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only the Creature Gardner was the true twin out of that house.
Yo Xen, did you ever try the Gardner? Thinking of getting this one as I'm down with that snappy epoxy construction.
The dims on that Chems symmetrical are looking good too. Choices choices!
Nah, Gardner board's WB is much to small for me.
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-symmetrical-skateboard
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/345103483/BE26135D-B6C4-4DD3-809C-3A678AB60067.jpeg?auto=format&fit=max&w=800)
SYMMETRICAL CUSTOM DUAL NOSE SHAPE
DIMENSIONS:
8.25”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.5”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.75”W x 32”L x 14”WB
9.0”W x 32”L x 14”WB
6.75” Nose & Tail
-100% Made in USA
This is a.....fingerboard company?
That apparently makes regular decks as well.
So I just ordered the twin shape to check out, more to come on that eventually. I have skated his regular popsicle in 8.5 and absolutely fucking loved it. Had a blast on it and it held you to everything my large self put it through. Never did crack, just got swapped when it razor tailed. Lasted as long as any other high quality 7 ply. I’ve got another 8.5 popsicle to skate later as well.
I honestly can’t say enough good things about Chems. I went in expecting to not love the boards, and I think they’re great. Always going to be an option moving forward.
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Yo toy machine makes twin tails in 8.0, 8.25 and 8.5???
These just surprised me, is titus fucking up or is this real?
https://www.titus.at/toy-machine-deck-hirotton-monster-w/symmetrical-shape-multicolored-0268764/ (https://www.titus.at/toy-machine-deck-hirotton-monster-w/symmetrical-shape-multicolored-0268764/)
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Another one:
Skatedeluxe now makes twin tails, cheapest ones available.
8.0, 8.25 and 8.5
To me it looks looks like the chocolate twin tail, but make it 14.25 and less fingers of flat. Sounds pretty damn good.
(They're really ugly)
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/skatedeluxe-yin-yang-twin-tail-8-25-skateboard-deck-black_p161134?sort=new&cPath=42&brand_id=429
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Another one:
Skatedeluxe now makes twin tails, cheapest ones available.
8.0, 8.25 and 8.5
To me it looks looks like the chocolate twin tail, but make it 14.25 and less fingers of flat. Sounds pretty damn good.
(They're really ugly)
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/skatedeluxe-yin-yang-twin-tail-8-25-skateboard-deck-black_p161134?sort=new&cPath=42&brand_id=429
Dimensions on the 8.5 seem to be identical to the Foy I am riding. I‘d rather pay Jamie some extra bucks than ride this abomination tho.
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Has anyone skated the Alien/Habitat twin tail? I just got one and it's actually a twin nose- same exact nose shape as my BBs generic 8.38. The tail is a 1/4" longer, which makes the deck longer than my 8.38/14.5 Anti Hero.
So on paper I'm not stoked, but how does it skate? Tail just hit faster?
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Has anyone skated the Alien/Habitat twin tail? I just got one and it's actually a twin nose- same exact nose shape as my BBs generic 8.38. The tail is a 1/4" longer, which makes the deck longer than my 8.38/14.5 Anti Hero.
So on paper I'm not stoked, but how does it skate? Tail just hit faster?
Yeah they sure are a long kick board.
I got a used one from a friend, had a go of it and put it in the "used boards to pass on to others" lot, mainly because it was a bit too steep for what works for me, but it skated ok once I got the hang of it.
When compared to a DLX twin that I also got from the same guy, which felt too short all round for me, the AWS twin nose was the opposite, but it was easier for me to skate longer kicks than shorter kicks.
Alien Workshop boards in general are longer, with very long squared off kicks, when compared to some other more normal boards, so some people really like them and others are not so keen, regardless of whether they are the twin or regular shapes. I had quite a few pass through my hands when someone I know was wanting them, so I got as many as I could find. Supply was easier to get with with DLX boards so he is riding those ones now.
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I had the suciu soty twin. It was too big and clunky all around for me. Just a beast.
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Does anyone have an opinion on these Ishod twins (apart from the fact that the graphic is hideous)? They’re on sale here and the shape looks comparable to the Foy I am currently riding safe for a slightly longer wheelbase. Any input would be appreciated.
the 8.5 ishod twin feels way more bulky than the 8.3. Obviously its a bigger board, but the proportions of the kicks are fatter and less tapered than the 8.3. I skate the 8.5 once and gave it away. Love the 8.3's
I ordered two Ishods and will report back. I once had a „regular“ Ishod 8.5 full shape which I loved and a tapered Ishod 8.38 that I hated so chances are good that we have opposite tastes and I will like the bulky thing.
Fair assessment! Hope it works for you.
Reporting back on this as I set up the Ishod on the weekend. It is really an intimidating plank with no taper whatsoever. Basically the Ishod full shape (not full SE, just full), with two noses. Looking down at it I was skeptical but I can now say that I love it, somehow it just seems that this shape suits me much better than tapered kicks. I am skating the Roman number I atm.
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^ Got to ride my no. III for the first time yesterday and had pretty much the same impression. Looks really hefty, but I like how it feels, especially because I don't land bolts often and the kicks seems to offer a little more real estate to eke out a make.
@Easy Slider you also have a IV on ice, right? I have a II waiting, so we've got a whole stack between the two of us. Let's report back if we find any major differences, ok? Gotta feed the madness.
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^ Got to ride my no. III for the first time yesterday and had pretty much the same impression. Looks really hefty, but I like how it feels, especially because I don't land bolts often and the kicks seems to offer a little more real estate to eke out a make.
@Easy Slider you also have a IV on ice, right? I have a II waiting, so we've got a whole stack between the two of us. Let's report back if we find any major differences, ok? Gotta feed the madness.
Yes, let’s do this.
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Just discovered this blank twin tails at no-comply:
https://no-comply.de/en/search?type=product%2Carticle%2Cpage%2Ccollection&options%5Bprefix%5D=last&q=twin+tail+blank
They seem to be from quarter dist https://b2b.quarterdist.com/en/search?sSearch=twin+tail , which themselves supposedly import blanks from china according to the woodshop thread. In the tab "Infos zum Hersteller" they mention that each of the 3 width (8.0", 8.1", 8.375") is offered with 3 different wheelbase options, which just might be copy paste from their other deck offers, but I cannot verify as I don't have a b2b account. The no comply ones are all advertised with 6.8" tails and 14" wb, which reminds me of the crail twin.
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^ I've been skating the 8.5 one that they had available about 6-8 weeks ago. That was also advertised with these specs (apart from the width obviously). Actual measurements are 32" length, 14.25" wheelbase though. Kicks are on the rounder side, but not as full as the Real Ishod 8.5 TT. If any Euro Pal is looking for an affordable TT to see if they like it I can definitely recommend getting one of these.
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Got a Krooked 8.38 in a trade. First session was pretty good, manuals/nose manuals feel a bit clunky if that makes sense but that's on me to figure out. Interested to see how things go over the life of the board. I ride my trucks basically even but I still notice myself favoring one direction of the board and no shop I've called has any new Thunder bushings. I guess as I smash the formerly rear truck into curbs doing slappies that the bushings will wear in even
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Cheers @ImmanuelCunt and @scab - have gnars! I just scooped up the last two 8.375s of those no comply blanks. I‘ve been riding 8.5s for quite a while but recently decided to try and size down a bit so this was too good of an opportunity to miss out on. Even with shipping it‘s still a steal compared to what I usually pay for a deck round here (Switzerland).
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Had to grab this silly bear 😆
I love Welcome’s “Evil Twin” 8.5 shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/sCJg13q/51535-A3-D-DFA1-47-BB-866-F-A0-B35-F07-EB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCJg13q)
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Heroin updated their Double Shovel shape again. They are calling it a new shape but that's not completely accurate. Back to the 9" shape, this time with a 14.125 wb instead of 14.25 and on a true twin mold. 8.38 over the trucks. I'll post pics in a bit but it's pretty similar to the last two versions
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Heroin updated their Double Shovel shape again. They are calling it a new shape but that's not completely accurate. Back to the 9" shape, this time with a 14.125 wb instead of 14.25 and on a true twin mold. 8.38 over the trucks. I'll post pics in a bit but it's pretty similar to the last two versions
The Mandy x Bratrud?
I was eyeing the Mandy x Enemy (9.5"); I might have to bite on the 9.0 as I was hesitant to step up to 9.5"...wish it had wheel wells....
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Heroin updated their Double Shovel shape again. They are calling it a new shape but that's not completely accurate. Back to the 9" shape, this time with a 14.125 wb instead of 14.25 and on a true twin mold. 8.38 over the trucks. I'll post pics in a bit but it's pretty similar to the last two versions
The Mandy x Bratrud?
I was eyeing the Mandy x Enemy (9.5"); I might have to bite on the 9.0 as I was hesitant to step up to 9.5"...wish it had wheel wells....
Yep the Brarud graphic is a true twin mold now. I've run that shape with the old mold on 149s and it fit nicely. 159s would also work if you don't mind a little hot rodding
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Twin && Flight. 8.7, but 8.5 at the trucks.
https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-2-flight-skateboard-deck-egg-shape-301-8-7-x-32-3-k20
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cia_0PTLJC_/
Almost three months later and I'm thinking about getting one.
Pros:
- I like the Flight construction
- I like the K20 concave
- I like twin tails
Neutral:
- I can, and do, skate a 14.5 wheelbase sometimes. I do generally like shorter on street and longer in bowls.
Negs:
- I like a little shorter tail. I like 6.62 vs 6.8.
- Powell graphics are not good. And by that, I mean "fucking horrible"
- most guys my age that "skate" && decks buy three so they can hang two on the wall and bail rock n rolls on the other.
I'll probably buy one in shame and not post it in the setup thread. Or ever mention it on here again.
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^ Got to ride my no. III for the first time yesterday and had pretty much the same impression. Looks really hefty, but I like how it feels, especially because I don't land bolts often and the kicks seems to offer a little more real estate to eke out a make.
@Easy Slider you also have a IV on ice, right? I have a II waiting, so we've got a whole stack between the two of us. Let's report back if we find any major differences, ok? Gotta feed the madness.
I am on the IV now and tbh I could not tell a difference to the I. Concave might be slightly deeper but otherwise they‘re identical. What‘s funny is that I can do heelflips better on this shape as opposed to tapered kicks whereas I struggle more with kickflips …
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Twin && Flight. 8.7, but 8.5 at the trucks.
https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-2-flight-skateboard-deck-egg-shape-301-8-7-x-32-3-k20
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cia_0PTLJC_/
Almost three months later and I'm thinking about getting one.
Pros:
- I like the Flight construction
- I like the K20 concave
- I like twin tails
Neutral:
- I can, and do, skate a 14.5 wheelbase sometimes. I do generally like shorter on street and longer in bowls.
Negs:
- I like a little shorter tail. I like 6.62 vs 6.8.
- Powell graphics are not good. And by that, I mean "fucking horrible"
- most guys my age that "skate" && decks buy three so they can hang two on the wall and bail rock n rolls on the other.
I'll probably buy one in shame and not post it in the setup thread. Or ever mention it on here again.
I was recently back on a flight (8.5) really enjoyed it. The only thing keeping me of the && deck is that fucking WB...(I should get over myself tho, my limited pool of flip tricks are shit no matter what size the WB is...)
Thing is I have become used to shorter WB with longer kicks to offset the wheelbase; it's my stance that fucks me up, I apparently stand wide...so a 32"+ with short WB but longer tail I'm totally fine with, it's why those 8.25" Primitves work so well.
If this board was a 14.25" WB I bet it would be stellar for what I like.
I've gone through a number of the Quasi twins and it's almost perfect, if just a little short (again wide stance); the Foy twin is is really really good tho, just can't find then anywhere right now and I am down to my last one. The quasi and foy twin are damn near identical shape wise.
...or....buck up/suck it up and get back on the worrest/ishod deck again.
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^ Got to ride my no. III for the first time yesterday and had pretty much the same impression. Looks really hefty, but I like how it feels, especially because I don't land bolts often and the kicks seems to offer a little more real estate to eke out a make.
@Easy Slider you also have a IV on ice, right? I have a II waiting, so we've got a whole stack between the two of us. Let's report back if we find any major differences, ok? Gotta feed the madness.
I am on the IV now and tbh I could not tell a difference to the I. Concave might be slightly deeper but otherwise they‘re identical. What‘s funny is that I can do heelflips better on this shape as opposed to tapered kicks whereas I struggle more with kickflips …
Same goes for the II that I just set up. Feels exactly the same to me, but my bag of tricks is also not that deep, so I might just not be good enough to observe the difference.
I also struggled to get proper kickflips on this deck, but I blamed that on a lingering ankle injury. I'm having more success with a different positioning of my front foot, they work better if my foot almost touches the upper left bolt (goofy footed). That's probably just me though.
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I was recently back on a flight (8.5) really enjoyed it. The only thing keeping me of the && deck is that fucking WB...(I should get over myself tho, my limited pool of flip tricks are shit no matter what size the WB is...)
Thing is I have become used to shorter WB with longer kicks to offset the wheelbase; it's my stance that fucks me up, I apparently stand wide...so a 32"+ with short WB but longer tail I'm totally fine with, it's why those 8.25" Primitves work so well.
If this board was a 14.25" WB I bet it would be stellar for what I like.
I've gone through a number of the Quasi twins and it's almost perfect, if just a little short (again wide stance); the Foy twin is is really really good tho, just can't find then anywhere right now and I am down to my last one. The quasi and foy twin are damn near identical shape wise.
...or....buck up/suck it up and get back on the worrest/ishod deck again.
I am on an 8.25 flight, shape 243 (14.25 wheelbase) that measures at 8.38, set up with Thunder Ti 149s. I have no complaints about it and would probably get another if I could be sure it was also over-width. I ordered up a 248 shape one and it came in at 8.18, which was really too narrow to use 149s on so it went back.
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Mine is the 244; standard powell rear taper but was pleasantly surprised to see it come in at around 31.85 rather than the 32" listed
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Had to grab this silly bear 😆
I love Welcome’s “Evil Twin” 8.5 shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/sCJg13q/51535-A3-D-DFA1-47-BB-866-F-A0-B35-F07-EB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCJg13q)
@OhioGuy
What's the kick like? More nose or more tail? Rounded or squareish (think AWS noses)?
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Had to grab this silly bear 😆
I love Welcome’s “Evil Twin” 8.5 shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/sCJg13q/51535-A3-D-DFA1-47-BB-866-F-A0-B35-F07-EB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCJg13q)
@OhioGuy
What's the kick like? More nose or more tail? Rounded or squareish (think AWS noses)?
Kinda square and the kick is more like a tail.
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Had to grab this silly bear 😆
I love Welcome’s “Evil Twin” 8.5 shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/sCJg13q/51535-A3-D-DFA1-47-BB-866-F-A0-B35-F07-EB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCJg13q)
@OhioGuy
What's the kick like? More nose or more tail? Rounded or squareish (think AWS noses)?
Thanks. Got one arriving today! I've ridden the AWS/HAB twin and it was very square (great) but just too long length-wise and a big wheel base.
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Had to grab this silly bear
I love Welcome’s “Evil Twin” 8.5 shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/sCJg13q/51535-A3-D-DFA1-47-BB-866-F-A0-B35-F07-EB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCJg13q)
@OhioGuy
What's the kick like? More nose or more tail? Rounded or squareish (think AWS noses)?
Thanks. Got one arriving today! I've ridden the AWS/HAB twin and it was very square (great) but just too long length-wise and a big wheel base.
Been nursing an injury so I am just now getting around to unboxing the board. Pleasantly surprised to see it is a BBS board; I thought Welcome was still with PS.
It's definitely a 'full' shape, the width stays pretty consistent until after the (2) fingers of flat for either kick, they rounds off; it looks ever-so-slightly square but not like the AWS/HAB twin.
Kick and concave look/feel the same as my Foy TT. Tho the '8.5' Foy actually measure 8.3x whereas the Welcome is a true 8.5 (the Foy WB also measure 8.25 and it's also under 32" x deathwish specs are waaaay off on this one).
Foy | Welcome
(https://i.ibb.co/0Qs7TKw/IMG-3528.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Qs7TKw)
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Heroin had the 9.75” symmetrical egg. That thing was huge. Only 14.25” wheelbase though. I had one and it was fun but eventually not my thing. Too short and too clunky. Not sure what Heroin has been doing lately but I think they’ve come up with some symmetrical eggs after that one also.
For longer ones I think the only one with a longer than 14.5” wheelbase is the Welcome 8.75”, which supposedly has a 14.75” wheelbase. I haven’t tried one myself so dunno how it is. I am interested in trying one but it’s a Welcome so that’ll likely never happen.
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Had to grab this silly bear 😆
I love Welcome’s “Evil Twin” 8.5 shape.
(https://i.ibb.co/sCJg13q/51535-A3-D-DFA1-47-BB-866-F-A0-B35-F07-EB31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sCJg13q)
(https://i.ibb.co/kMVgjFD/05d.jpg)
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
&& new twin is 8.7”x32.3” with a 14.5” WB, biggest I know of currently.
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There also was/is a symmetrical 10" heroin curb killer with a 14.5" wheelbase and the heroin razor egg which is 9.5" with 14.25" wheelbase. They seem to be available in some german online shops.
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Welcome Evil Twin 8.75x32.45"
Best shape I've ever skated
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Welcome Evil Twin 8.75x32.45"
Best shape I've ever skated
That must’ve been early on with the first drop; I never saw the 875 and currently it’s nowhere to be found. Bummer sounds like a fun ride.
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Heroin had the 9.75” symmetrical egg. That thing was huge. Only 14.25” wheelbase though. I had one and it was fun but eventually not my thing. Too short and too clunky. Not sure what Heroin has been doing lately but I think they’ve come up with some symmetrical eggs after that one also.
For longer ones I think the only one with a longer than 14.5” wheelbase is the Welcome 8.75”, which supposedly has a 14.75” wheelbase. I haven’t tried one myself so dunno how it is. I am interested in trying one but it’s a Welcome so that’ll likely never happen.
Thanks, very good recommendations!
Yeah, I’m also very egg-curious, but they also seem to get rather short. Heroin has sick graphics, and they come wide enough, but if I get too cramped I’m not going to enjoy them.
The Welcome could be a potential winner here. Why don’t you like them?
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Welcome Evil Twin 8.75x32.45"
Best shape I've ever skated
Thanks man!
Dimension seems okay on paper. What did you like the most about it?
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Heroin had the 9.75” symmetrical egg. That thing was huge. Only 14.25” wheelbase though. I had one and it was fun but eventually not my thing. Too short and too clunky. Not sure what Heroin has been doing lately but I think they’ve come up with some symmetrical eggs after that one also.
For longer ones I think the only one with a longer than 14.5” wheelbase is the Welcome 8.75”, which supposedly has a 14.75” wheelbase. I haven’t tried one myself so dunno how it is. I am interested in trying one but it’s a Welcome so that’ll likely never happen.
Yeah, I’m also very egg-curious, but they also seem to get rather short. Heroin has sick graphics, and they come wide enough, but if I get too cramped I’m not going to enjoy them.
The Welcome could be a potential winner here. Why don’t you like them?
Welcome are hard to come by here in Finland. I don’t know any shops selling them except “European Zumiez” Blue Tomato. Now that they’re BBS I would be more interested. They’re also more than expensive than most other decks. I had one PS Stix Nora board a while back and hated it. It was so flat and weird. Also not a big fan of the Welcome vibes or most of their graphics. And I seem to dislike almost anything else than DLX so I’ve been thinking is it even worth it to try anything else anymore. :)
Basically a bunch of silly reasons. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their decks. They’re just mostly probably not for me cuz I’m a bit silly. :)
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Heroin had the 9.75” symmetrical egg. That thing was huge. Only 14.25” wheelbase though. I had one and it was fun but eventually not my thing. Too short and too clunky. Not sure what Heroin has been doing lately but I think they’ve come up with some symmetrical eggs after that one also.
For longer ones I think the only one with a longer than 14.5” wheelbase is the Welcome 8.75”, which supposedly has a 14.75” wheelbase. I haven’t tried one myself so dunno how it is. I am interested in trying one but it’s a Welcome so that’ll likely never happen.
Yeah, I’m also very egg-curious, but they also seem to get rather short. Heroin has sick graphics, and they come wide enough, but if I get too cramped I’m not going to enjoy them.
The Welcome could be a potential winner here. Why don’t you like them?
Welcome are hard to come by here in Finland. I don’t know any shops selling them except “European Zumiez” Blue Tomato. Now that they’re BBS I would be more interested. They’re also more than expensive than most other decks. I had one PS Stix Nora board a while back and hated it. It was so flat and weird. Also not a big fan of the Welcome vibes or most of their graphics. And I seem to dislike almost anything else than DLX so I’ve been thinking is it even worth it to try anything else anymore. :)
Basically a bunch of silly reasons. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their decks. They’re just mostly probably not for me cuz I’m a bit silly. :)
You're not alone in how you feel about them...PS...graphics are hit or miss (I can't hate on the poohbear hunny board tho ;)), shapes...if that's your thing...
Their Twin Tails tho, are a welcome (budum...tssssh) addition to the market, especially since they have a wide spectrum of sizes AND since it's a specialty 'shape', probably will remain in the lineup for a long time...and man, thankfully on BBS...it's harder and harder to get other twins outside of DLXs 8.3s...which outside of Worrest's drops, look like shittle.
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What are the biggest dimensions on a twin that you know is in existence?
The can’t seem to find any wide and long with long wheelbases.
Heroin had the 9.75” symmetrical egg. That thing was huge. Only 14.25” wheelbase though. I had one and it was fun but eventually not my thing. Too short and too clunky. Not sure what Heroin has been doing lately but I think they’ve come up with some symmetrical eggs after that one also.
For longer ones I think the only one with a longer than 14.5” wheelbase is the Welcome 8.75”, which supposedly has a 14.75” wheelbase. I haven’t tried one myself so dunno how it is. I am interested in trying one but it’s a Welcome so that’ll likely never happen.
Yeah, I’m also very egg-curious, but they also seem to get rather short. Heroin has sick graphics, and they come wide enough, but if I get too cramped I’m not going to enjoy them.
The Welcome could be a potential winner here. Why don’t you like them?
Welcome are hard to come by here in Finland. I don’t know any shops selling them except “European Zumiez” Blue Tomato. Now that they’re BBS I would be more interested. They’re also more than expensive than most other decks. I had one PS Stix Nora board a while back and hated it. It was so flat and weird. Also not a big fan of the Welcome vibes or most of their graphics. And I seem to dislike almost anything else than DLX so I’ve been thinking is it even worth it to try anything else anymore. :)
Basically a bunch of silly reasons. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with their decks. They’re just mostly probably not for me cuz I’m a bit silly. :)
Yeah, I see that price can be a deterrent. 90€ is a lot. Aren’t many of them here in Denmark either.
I think some of their graphics are cool, but others make my toes wrinkle.
Titus has the smaller 8, 8.25 and 8.5 welcome decks.
My next board gotta be larger by some, compared to my current 8.6x32.11x14.625.
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Life Skateboards has a 10" twin football and a 9" big twin (and a couple of other twin options). Life is a company out of Muncie, IN. I don't think there is any connection to Ron Allen's old company called Life, but they make quality boards. I've ridden them and Degros did a review of them too.
Life Skateboards
https://www.lifeskateboard.com/welcome/shop
Degros review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6Emj9_bsw&t=595s
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Life Skateboards has a 10" twin football and a 9" big twin (and a couple of other twin options). Life is a company out of Muncie, IN. I don't think there is any connection to Ron Allen's old company called Life, but they make quality boards. I've ridden them and Degros did a review of them too.
Life Skateboards
https://www.lifeskateboard.com/welcome/shop
Degros review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6Emj9_bsw&t=595s
$80 for a blank aint right
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Life Skateboards has a 10" twin football and a 9" big twin (and a couple of other twin options). Life is a company out of Muncie, IN. I don't think there is any connection to Ron Allen's old company called Life, but they make quality boards. I've ridden them and Degros did a review of them too.
Life Skateboards
https://www.lifeskateboard.com/welcome/shop
Degros review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6Emj9_bsw&t=595s
Thanks man!
Damn that guy has some sick ass boards. The twins and footballs/eggs are still not more than 14.75” wb, but I gotta get some of their ridiculously big boats.
I think prices are absolutely fair. Custom boards pressed in the US starting at 80. Where I’m at Real Oval, AH Classic eagle pops, Creature Logo decks are are all 85$ or 600,- DKK.
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Life Skateboards has a 10" twin football and a 9" big twin (and a couple of other twin options). Life is a company out of Muncie, IN. I don't think there is any connection to Ron Allen's old company called Life, but they make quality boards. I've ridden them and Degros did a review of them too.
I've got to try riding one of these missiles eventually. Maybe it's all the time I've spent with ultra-greatswords in FromSoft games speaking to me.
Though it'll have to wait for a bit, I'm gonna try shifting down from 8.5 first, since I have doomed aspirations of techier riding.
Yes, I am in the grip of darkest gear madness.
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Took the Welcome 8.5" Evil twin out for a spin today (recovering from a minor ankle tweak still so very very low impact).
Setup thread x post https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg3925803#msg3925803
Gripped, the kicks seemed a little short visually at first, that was fleeting and they became normal after 30min or so. It's very mellow and the kick shape is really sweet, it's full but not square (FA/AWS) and not pointy at all...it feels more like the squarer quasi proto or AWS tails, just bigger. I like it.
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Took the Welcome 8.5" twin out for a spin today (recovering from a minor ankle tweak still so very very low impact).
Setup thread x post https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg3925803#msg3925803
Gripped, the kicks seemed a little short visually at first, that was fleeting and they became normal after 30min or so. It's very mellow and the kick shape is really sweet, it's full but not square (FA/AWS) and not pointy at all...it feels more like the squarer quasi proto or AWS tails, just bigger. I like it.
Thanks, do you have more specs on the deck?
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Took the Welcome 8.5" twin out for a spin today (recovering from a minor ankle tweak still so very very low impact).
Setup thread x post https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg3925803#msg3925803
Gripped, the kicks seemed a little short visually at first, that was fleeting and they became normal after 30min or so. It's very mellow and the kick shape is really sweet, it's full but not square (FA/AWS) and not pointy at all...it feels more like the squarer quasi proto or AWS tails, just bigger. I like it.
Thanks, do you have more specs on the deck?
8.5" x 31.95"
14.25" Wheelbase
6.75" Kicks
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Took the Welcome 8.5" twin out for a spin today (recovering from a minor ankle tweak still so very very low impact).
Setup thread x post https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg3925803#msg3925803
Gripped, the kicks seemed a little short visually at first, that was fleeting and they became normal after 30min or so. It's very mellow and the kick shape is really sweet, it's full but not square (FA/AWS) and not pointy at all...it feels more like the squarer quasi proto or AWS tails, just bigger. I like it.
Thanks, do you have more specs on the deck?
8.5" x 31.95"
14.25" Wheelbase
6.75" Kicks
Sounds great, thanks.
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Life Skateboards has a 10" twin football and a 9" big twin (and a couple of other twin options). Life is a company out of Muncie, IN. I don't think there is any connection to Ron Allen's old company called Life, but they make quality boards. I've ridden them and Degros did a review of them too.
Life Skateboards
https://www.lifeskateboard.com/welcome/shop
Degros review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6Emj9_bsw&t=595s
Oh sjit, just now saw the Dino egg. That thing is redonc. Even though it’s not a twin, that board will be mine, oh yes.
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For the experimental ones of you, I just saw that napalm customs has twin tails, when I was looking for the quantum bearings (they are the only importer of them to Europe known to me):
https://napalmcustom.com/?s=twin&post_type=product
Price is fairly high with 155 Euro. +4 Euro for 2 grips if I saw that right. They are all 5-plys maple + 2 carbon fiber layers and a polymer layers in nose and tail against razor tail.
If anybody tries them I would be interested how they feel and I wonder if their press is really symmetrical or if nose and tail have different steepness/fingers of flat. I never tried on of those high tech decks, let it be powel flight, VX or whatever Kape is/was doing. I have to go through a back log of 7 decks first.
I would love to see the 7.8" with venture lows and 50mm classics.
tl;dr:
Fancy finish made high tech carbon fiber twin tails in:
7.8" (!) (medium concave), 8.1" (medium and high) and 8.5" (shaped with "aggressive high" concave). All with 14" wb.
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Many of my friends have skated Napalm Custom decks. One friend knows the dude who runs it. They are very light decks if you’re into that and very durable. I know they at least used to do decks according to your specs and requirements. Not sure what sort of molds the dude has but he’s some material scientist engineer nerd who started making his own boards cuz he didn’t like what was available as a bigger guy and that grew into a business. You could always contract him and ask more. From my understanding he likes to discuss board specs with people.
I’ve never had one personally as I kinda like the disposability of decks ( :-X :-X :-X) and rarely felt that I needed a lighter deck. Also not a fan of the graphics myself.
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
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If that primitive is the standard 8.25 primitive nose shape, I'm all in, it's great shape (which also has a long-ish tail so not much of a stretch to make it a nose).
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
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God damn It's finally happening. Twins are here to stay this time
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God damn It's finally happening. Twins are here to stay this time
Certainly feels like it. If players like Ishod, Foy, Prod (also Neen and Welcome) stick with them....feels like more and more people are adopting them.
It's funny, that Prod Vid, arguably the current switchboss is like 'huh?....should have done that ages ago" kind cracks me up, like, no shit dude, just how important is a short tail?
FWIW, this prim 8.25s are only a .25" diff between nose and tail and I wouldn't be surprised is they averaged out them out and went for a 7" for the kicks.
Also, decenzo been riding noses as tails forever.
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Jeremy Klein was one of the first dudes I remember but it seemed more like he was anti popsicle stick….
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
Yes, except you can't know what kind of concave you're getting (I-IV) if you buy online, which fucking sucks. Everything else about those decks is amazing and I still love them
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
Yes, except you can't know what kind of concave you're getting (I-IV) if you buy online, which fucking sucks. Everything else about those decks is amazing and I still love them
Great, I'll snatch up a few.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
Yes, except you can't know what kind of concave you're getting (I-IV) if you buy online, which fucking sucks. Everything else about those decks is amazing and I still love them
Depends on the shop, it doesn’t hurt to ask; I order online and have specified/requested top stain color and 1-4 before with success.
One of the many things I like about DSM boards…the dims could use some love tho…still waiting for them to release a twin…Madness c’mon…
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
Yes, except you can't know what kind of concave you're getting (I-IV) if you buy online, which fucking sucks. Everything else about those decks is amazing and I still love them
Depends on the shop, it doesn’t hurt to ask; I order online and have specified/requested top stain color and 1-4 before with success.
One thing I like about DSM boards…
Is there a dsm twin yet? Or any shape that's close to symmetrical?
I've recently seen a bunch of the darkroom twin tails and they were all about the same concave, perfect steepness in my opinion. This has to be a coincidence right? Guess they should have 4 different concaves too
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Nope…wish they would get on it…I’ve moved over to the new &&, flights are consistent.
Maybe darkroom just doesn't just care to put numerals?
No one else does that uses bbs.
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Yeah there weren't any numerals, but just looking at and feeling the concave they were all the same as far as I could tell.
If I had to put a number on it, they all felt like a 2.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
Yes, except you can't know what kind of concave you're getting (I-IV) if you buy online, which fucking sucks. Everything else about those decks is amazing and I still love them
Depends on the shop, it doesn’t hurt to ask; I order online and have specified/requested top stain color and 1-4 before with success.
One of the many things I like about DSM boards…the dims could use some love tho…still waiting for them to release a twin…Madness c’mon…
https://thankyousupply.com/collections/decks/products/madness-twins-popsicle-slick-r7-8-625-skateboard-deck
It is not a twin.
It's called 'twins' because of the graphic depicting "twins".
Width: 8.625"
Length: 32"
Wheelbase: 14.25"
Nose: 6.65"
Tail: 6.5"
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1855/9149/products/10076184_greenblack_2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1647458832)
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Cross post. Finally picked up a Real TT. My last two have been Gliders which I liked a lot and recommend for anyone twin tail curious. Interested to see how the real feels
(https://i.imgur.com/4rJpXJn.jpg)
Real Ishod Twin Tail 8.5 (IV)
Thunder Hollow Light 149
Bones prototype dragons 52mm
Quantum Atoms
Thunder 7/8 Allen hardware
Pepper Grip
Plus a bunch of Christmas stickers
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Back on the 8.3 dlx twin slick after a couple 8.38x14.5 wb dlx decks.
Thought i like the 8.38 better, but im having a great time on this twin again. Will probably go back and forth between these, but will mainly ride the twin.
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Habitat Mosaic twin 8.375" 14.25wb.
https://tgmskateboards.com/habitat-skateboard-deck-mosaic-20-twin-white-8-375/
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Habitat Mosaic twin 8.375" 14.25wb.
https://tgmskateboards.com/habitat-skateboard-deck-mosaic-20-twin-white-8-375/
Spot has it listed at 32.25...gross
https://skateparkoftampa.com/habitat-mosaic-20-twin-shape-deck-white-blue-92562-436
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Same as the Alien Owlien deck that I have, that I thought you had too?
That thing is so long with big long kicks, especially compared to anything else, like the Ishod twins, or even a normal board, being more like twin noses.
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Yep, the WB is shorter on this one, so longer kicks; it appears to be rounded vs square.
The previous one was a boat…felt like a 'vert board'
Don’t get me wrong it’s good to have options but choosing the extreme end (long board and long kicks) seems like a weird choice, especially if you don't offer a smaller size; both kicks are easily 7”. I wonder if suciu is still riding them exclusively?
My favorite twin so far is the 8.3 from quasi, I just wish it was a tad longer as I’m finding 31.75” to be too stubby these days (I know I know I just complained about a board being too long ;); the shape is great.
Runners up is the 8.5 welcome if you like fuller less rounded/pointy shaped kicks.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CniC0HAhTwz/
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https://www.chemsfb.com/product/cat-guts-symmetrical-skateboard
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/345103483/BE26135D-B6C4-4DD3-809C-3A678AB60067.jpeg?auto=format&fit=max&w=800)
SYMMETRICAL CUSTOM DUAL NOSE SHAPE
DIMENSIONS:
8.25”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.5”W x 32”L x 14”WB
8.75”W x 32”L x 14”WB
9.0”W x 32”L x 14”WB
6.75” Nose & Tail
-100% Made in USA
Just got around to setting mine up this week. I have struggled to get used to a twin shape previously, but I will say new board, new trucks, and I’ve been adjusting nicely. It’s a good quality deck.
My only complaint is that there is no concave on the “noses”. Not a deal breaker by any stretch, the kicks feel like a Powell deck does, not like a Baker/Deathwish (or pretty much any bbs) board where the kicks feel like they hold your foot in position a little better. I prefer the concave to go into the nose and tail, but it’s good and I’d definitely skate another.
I’m still getting used to the 14” wb, but so far it’s been nothing but fun. I’ve landed shitty on it a few different times and it’s held up to my big body (260 lbs). Chems decks are built to take some abuse. Nothing but good things to say about this brand.
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Had a Santa Cruz Kevin braun symmetrical deck a year or so ago and had a ishod a few decks before that - twin nose boards seem really fun
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The latest batch of Habitat decks sold in EU have made in china stickers.
I saw that on latest Suciu Lone Wolf and Mosaic 20 Years twin decks.
Those decks seems bit wider than older BBS pressed Habitat twin decks, like they are 8.375x32.3 with 14.44wb (declared dimensions are 8.375x32.25 with 14.375wb), with very slight taper to square nose and tail, noses are still like 1-2 mm longer than tail (nose and tail are like 6.9-7 long), bit mellower kicks than on BBS pressed decks.
Older Habitat BBS pressed twin tail decks were 8.3x32.2 with 14.44 wb with straight full rails, square nose and tail are around 6.9. Deck dimensions are little bit shorter and narrower than stated on Habitat site (8.375x32.25 with 14.375wb, sometimes it was said that wb was 14.25).
Like old Stefan Janoski Place Setting series deck that comes with made in Mexico sticker was declared as 8.375x32.25 with 14.25wb, no mention of deck being symmetrical in descriptions and deck actual dimensions were 8.3x32.2 with 14.44wb and deck is twin shaped.
If you are able always try to check those decks in person because specs seems to be all over the place.
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The latest batch of Habitat decks sold in EU have made in china stickers.
I saw that on latest Suciu Lone Wolf and Mosaic 20 Years twin decks.
Those decks seems bit wider than older BBS pressed Habitat twin decks, like they are 8.375x32.3 with 14.44wb (declared dimensions are 8.375x32.25 with 14.375wb), with very slight taper to square nose and tail, noses are still like 1-2 mm longer than tail (nose and tail are like 6.9-7 long), bit mellower kicks than on BBS pressed decks.
Older Habitat BBS pressed twin tail decks were 8.3x32.2 with 14.44 wb with straight full rails, square nose and tail are around 6.9. Deck dimensions are little bit shorter and narrower than stated on Habitat site (8.375x32.25 with 14.375wb, sometimes it was said that wb was 14.25).
Like old Stefan Janoski Place Setting series deck that comes with made in Mexico sticker was declared as 8.375x32.25 with 14.25wb, no mention of deck being symmetrical in descriptions and deck actual dimensions were 8.3x32.2 with 14.44wb and deck is twin shaped.
If you are able always try to check those decks in person because specs seems to be all over the place.
Copy / quote you on that to the Woodshop thread, if that's ok?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.0
Thanks for the info too.
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I don't get how Suciu has such fast rotation on the massive Habitat twin and Thunder forged.
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I don't get how Suciu has such fast rotation on the massive Habitat twin and Thunder forged.
strong young legs..maybe
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Brains maybe…..
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
Late to the party but it's insane P.Rod isn't on Spitfire and Bones!
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
Late to the party but it's insane P.Rod isn't on Spitfire and Bones!
Are primitive twin noses out? Couldn’t find any
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
Late to the party but it's insane P.Rod isn't on Spitfire and Bones!
Probably has a MG they can’t meet (like nyjah on thunder); dlx already dropped coin on prod to switch to venture.
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
Late to the party but it's insane P.Rod isn't on Spitfire and Bones!
Probably has a MG they can’t meet (like nyjah on thunder); dlx already dropped coin on prod to switch to venture.
Surely that plug in the video should at least be a life time supply of F4 52mm's and Bones swiss....
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I'm also a bit surprised he's on plain old Ventures (no hollows)...also, that 'old' setup doesn't look that beat up (at least the wheels).
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
Late to the party but it's insane P.Rod isn't on Spitfire and Bones!
Probably has a MG they can’t meet (like nyjah on thunder); dlx already dropped coin on prod to switch to venture.
Surely that plug in the video should at least be a life time supply of F4 52mm's and Bones swiss....
The warehouse guys packing his Venture trucks probably toss in a few sets of Classics for him
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P.Rod on twin nose..
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
Came here to post that too, if its the standard Primitive dimensions then I'm all in for trying one.
Late to the party but it's insane P.Rod isn't on Spitfire and Bones!
Probably has a MG they can’t meet (like nyjah on thunder); dlx already dropped coin on prod to switch to venture.
Surely that plug in the video should at least be a life time supply of F4 52mm's and Bones swiss....
The warehouse guys packing his Venture trucks probably toss in a few sets of Classics for him
That's literally what he states in the vid.
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Hello.
Can someone say if all the Neen Williams Astrovore boards are twins?
(https://maderaverdeshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/TABLA-DEATHWISH-PRO-NEEN-WILLIAMS-ASTROVORE-TWIN-8.25.jpg)
Found some of these near me and really want to try, but one seller say they are not twins, but he maybe be wrong.
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https://www.sluggerskatestore.co.uk/products/deathwish-skateboards-neen-williams-astrovore-twin-skateboard-deck-8-25
Listed as a Twin Tip
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Hello.
Can someone say if all the Neen Williams Astrovore boards are twins?
(https://maderaverdeshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/TABLA-DEATHWISH-PRO-NEEN-WILLIAMS-ASTROVORE-TWIN-8.25.jpg)
Found some of these near me and really want to try, but one seller say they are not twins, but he maybe be wrong.
Yes they are.
Have skated 2, skating one now, have one more on ice.
It's super flat; I just wish the kicks were a but more full (they're not pointy, or square), as they're a tad small (like 8/8.125 small with the taper).
(https://i.ibb.co/d57bDNd/IMG-3748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d57bDNd)
144 royal IKP
52 bones x97s
Swiss six
bolts/grip
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Hello.
Can someone say if all the Neen Williams Astrovore boards are twins?
(https://maderaverdeshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/TABLA-DEATHWISH-PRO-NEEN-WILLIAMS-ASTROVORE-TWIN-8.25.jpg)
Found some of these near me and really want to try, but one seller say they are not twins, but he maybe be wrong.
Yes they are.
Have skated 2, skating one now, have one more on ice.
It's super flat; I just wish the kicks were a but more full (they're not pointy, or square), as they're a tad small (like 8/8.125 small with the taper).
(https://i.ibb.co/d57bDNd/IMG-3748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d57bDNd)
144 royal IKP
52 bones x97s
Swiss six
bolts/grip
Kinda 8.25 in the middle and than tappers a little to 8.125 on the trucks? My deck is just like that.
The flatness messed your pop or it´s ok? I like flatter decks, but I´m on Tunders now and they´re low. Maybe I can miss a bit of pop?
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Hello.
Can someone say if all the Neen Williams Astrovore boards are twins?
(https://maderaverdeshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/TABLA-DEATHWISH-PRO-NEEN-WILLIAMS-ASTROVORE-TWIN-8.25.jpg)
Found some of these near me and really want to try, but one seller say they are not twins, but he maybe be wrong.
Yes they are.
Have skated 2, skating one now, have one more on ice.
It's super flat; I just wish the kicks were a but more full (they're not pointy, or square), as they're a tad small (like 8/8.125 small with the taper).
(https://i.ibb.co/d57bDNd/IMG-3748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d57bDNd)
144 royal IKP
52 bones x97s
Swiss six
bolts/grip
Weird that yours were so flat. When I lay mine and an (II concave and 8.25) ishod twin on top of another they're exactly the same deck, just the slightest wheelbase difference.
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Of the 4, 2 were very very flat. Guess they were tops.
The taper for the nose starts just around the top(s) bolts, so just a bit past the truck/wheel line.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
They are supposed to be. But in my experience they are not. I had an ishod 8.3 for a long time and it was really nice. But now I have a worrest one also 8.3 and it feels thin (more like a 8.25) and flatter. Also the tips seem to be a bit more pointy while the ishod was a bit more square. Both perfectly fine shapes, but I liked the ishod a lot better
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So, somewhere in this thread (I didn’t care enough to go look), I talked about how twin tails are not for me. I do believe I was wrong. I set up a Chems twin nose with new trucks a few weeks ago, and gave this symmetrical board shape another chance. I’m super glad I did!
The chems board is great quality, and helped me realize that maybe I was too harsh on my first twin tail attempt, but there were some issues I personally had with the dimensions. I ultimately decided a 14” wb (like the chems deck) proved to be not for me, but I since switched to a Deathwish Foy twin tail over the weekend, and it feels absolutely amazing.
With the 14” wb, I struggled to land my tricks and it felt like it tipped too easy. I always felt a bit off balance. Switched back to a 14.28” wb, and everything felt right again in the world. Previously I had been skating 14.25” wb pretty exclusively. I’ve come to find out that 14.25-14.375 is pretty much my happy place for wb.
I thought I would struggle with trying to maintain nose and tail, and while it did initially kick my ocd into overdrive with try a trick or line with your board this way, then switch to keep the wear equal, I’ve noticed that it’s become second nature to skate it however and not pay much attention to what’s what. With that said, I’ve currently got extremely symmetrical wear, so I must be just swapping somewhat subconsciously now.
Either way, I’m here to eat my words. Twin tails are pretty tight.
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Joker Twin Tail
8.25 / 14" wb / 7"
Pressed at Pennswood.
https://jokerskateboardcompany.com/shop/ols/products/pondering-joker-standard
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How do you guys ride your trucks for twin setups? Since you can ride off either side do you have both trucks of equal tightness or do you still have dedicated front / back trucks.
Hell my hardware arrangement is all out of wack, where are my 2 colored bolts supposed to go now that I have 2 noses / tails??
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How do you guys ride your trucks for twin setups? Since you can ride off either side do you have both trucks of equal tightness or do you still have dedicated front / back trucks.
Hell my hardware arrangement is all out of wack, where are my 2 colored bolts supposed to go now that I have 2 noses / tails??
I put fresh bushings on my trucks so I can run them either way, not “front” or “back truck”. I also put a nice gold bolt in the upper left corner of each truck so that it’s even both ways
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How do you guys ride your trucks for twin setups? Since you can ride off either side do you have both trucks of equal tightness or do you still have dedicated front / back trucks.
Hell my hardware arrangement is all out of wack, where are my 2 colored bolts supposed to go now that I have 2 noses / tails??
I put fresh bushings on my trucks so I can run them either way, not “front” or “back truck”. I also put a nice gold bolt in the upper left corner of each truck so that it’s even both ways
I just went with new trucks, and the goal is to run them the same tightness. It’s close enough that I can’t tell the difference.
I have a sliver bolt in both upper rights for the same reason. It’s the one indicator bolt I have been using for years, so I made both sides match to make my brain happy. ;D
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How do you guys ride your trucks for twin setups? Since you can ride off either side do you have both trucks of equal tightness or do you still have dedicated front / back trucks.
Hell my hardware arrangement is all out of wack, where are my 2 colored bolts supposed to go now that I have 2 noses / tails??
Equal tightness or VERY close to it.
Plain black grip, no colored hardware.
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How do you guys ride your trucks for twin setups? Since you can ride off either side do you have both trucks of equal tightness or do you still have dedicated front / back trucks.
Hell my hardware arrangement is all out of wack, where are my 2 colored bolts supposed to go now that I have 2 noses / tails??
Equal tightness or VERY close to it.
Plain black grip, no colored hardware.
Gotta be equal tightness, this is a new lifestyle you’re adopting, not some phase you’re experimenting with! There’s no front truck or back truck, there’s only trucks now.
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As equal as I can make them. New bushings/cups help a bit but not crucial.
Plain grip, black bolts and try not to worry about scrapes or dirt being on a 'tail' or nose'
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does this make sense
Twin nose = both are 7"
Twin tail = both are max 6-3/4"? somewhere around there.. 6.5" twin seems like it would be stupidly short - surely no one makes this? i would guess these kind of boards would err on the longer size of tail in general?
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Welcome (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
It says on Welcome site that 8'' twin has 14wb.
https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/clairvoyant-on-evil-twin-black-8-5
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I am using the Krooked twin board. 9.1. It’s been a lot of fun. Rolling on conical full 56mm. It didn’t take long to appreciate how fun it is.
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I am using the Krooked twin board. 9.1. It’s been a lot of fun. Rolling on conical full 56mm. It didn’t take long to appreciate how fun it is.
I can only find one with:
Nose: 6.75"
Tail: 6.5"
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I am using the Krooked twin board. 9.1. It’s been a lot of fun. Rolling on conical full 56mm. It didn’t take long to appreciate how fun it is.
I can only find one with:
Nose: 6.75"
Tail: 6.5"
???
Yeah, I can’t find one either :)
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
I've the 8.5, but recently sized down; waiting on SSD sales to grab the 8.25. Love the kick shape.
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I am using the Krooked twin board. 9.1. It’s been a lot of fun. Rolling on conical full 56mm. It didn’t take long to appreciate how fun it is.
I can only find one with:
Nose: 6.75"
Tail: 6.5"
???
Yeah, I can’t find one either :)
Maybe I’m wrong on whether it’s twin nose or twin tail, but here is the board I have setup.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/alternate-moonsmile-91-skateboard-deck/green
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I am using the Krooked twin board. 9.1. It’s been a lot of fun. Rolling on conical full 56mm. It didn’t take long to appreciate how fun it is.
I can only find one with:
Nose: 6.75"
Tail: 6.5"
???
Yeah, I can’t find one either :)
Maybe I’m wrong on whether it’s twin nose or twin tail, but here is the board I have setup.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/alternate-moonsmile-91-skateboard-deck/green
Pretty sure it's neither. It's just a deck with a short nose
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
They are supposed to be. But in my experience they are not. I had an ishod 8.3 for a long time and it was really nice. But now I have a worrest one also 8.3 and it feels thin (more like a 8.25) and flatter. Also the tips seem to be a bit more pointy while the ishod was a bit more square. Both perfectly fine shapes, but I liked the ishod a lot better
This is false, that must have been an error. I've skated over 20 decks of this shape over the last 5 years and of course they're the same. The real/krooked 8.3 twin has never had square or full kicks either, that's actually a common criticism of the shape from people that prefer fuller kicks.
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
It says on Welcome site that 8'' twin has 14wb.
https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/clairvoyant-on-evil-twin-black-8-5
Weird. I've just measured it again and it's just shy of 14.25.
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
I've the 8.5, but recently sized down; waiting on SSD sales to grab the 8.25. Love the kick shape.
Same, my 8.5 welcome has been relegated to cruising and curb duties now. I think I'll stick with Welcome unless Primitive release a twin.
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does this make sense
Twin nose = both are 7"
Twin tail = both are max 6-3/4"? somewhere around there.. 6.5" twin seems like it would be stupidly short - surely no one makes this? i would guess these kind of boards would err on the longer size of tail in general?
I think the real 8.0 twin is 31.5, 14.3 wb and 6.55 tails. I hated it.
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I just thought of something. I know some folks rotate their wheels so they wear evenly, so shouldn’t a twin tail help your wheels last longer too since you ride it both ways? Seems like their are more pros than cons when it comes to them.
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I just thought of something. I know some folks rotate their wheels so they wear evenly, so shouldn’t a twin tail help your wheels last longer too since you ride it both ways? Seems like their are more pros than cons when it comes to them.
Absolutely. But it's still a good idea to regularly rotate your wheels. In my case, because I'm doing way more bs crooks than fs, leading to the "crook wheels" getting smaller faster.
If you're riding a twin and none of your axles are bent, rotating your wheels in a (anti-)clockwise direction is the same thing as just switching the wheels on each truck separately. So no need to remember in which way they need to be rotated
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I am using the Krooked twin board. 9.1. It’s been a lot of fun. Rolling on conical full 56mm. It didn’t take long to appreciate how fun it is.
I can only find one with:
Nose: 6.75"
Tail: 6.5"
???
Yeah, I can’t find one either :)
Maybe I’m wrong on whether it’s twin nose or twin tail, but here is the board I have setup.
https://www.tactics.com/krooked/alternate-moonsmile-91-skateboard-deck/green
Pretty sure it's neither. It's just a deck with a short nose
I measured its identical
I’ve been skating it both ways switch etc trust me, it’s symmetrical
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
I've the 8.5, but recently sized down; waiting on SSD sales to grab the 8.25. Love the kick shape.
Same, my 8.5 welcome has been relegated to cruising and curb duties now. I think I'll stick with Welcome unless Primitive release a twin.
I'm waiting for that Prim Twin as well, tho I'm not sure about the small WB they usually use (14") on their 8.25s; not a big deal, would just have to switch to thunder/royal from what I'm riding now to kick that WB out a bit.
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What companies are currently making 8.0" Twin Tail/Nose decks??
Real (current choice)
Weekend (not a fan of the company)
Glider (not a fan)
I'm on the Welcome 8.0" twin (14.25 wb iirc) and really liking it. BBS wood and kicks are more square than the Ishod/Worrest twin decks.
I've the 8.5, but recently sized down; waiting on SSD sales to grab the 8.25. Love the kick shape.
Same, my 8.5 welcome has been relegated to cruising and curb duties now. I think I'll stick with Welcome unless Primitive release a twin.
I'm waiting for that Prim Twin as well, tho I'm not sure about the small WB they usually use (14") on their 8.25s; not a big deal, would just have to switch to thunder/royal from what I'm riding now to kick that WB out a bit.
Also waiting for 8” twin nose decks. The “hybrid” and tail styles don’t look like I’ll do well on them. The welcome looks tempting but I’ve been hating on that company (not the skaters) since Nolan and mango left.
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The Welcome is the odd one out to me as I can't decide what type of kick it is 9hybrid I guess?); feels good tho.
Deathwish should take Foy's twin and make smaller sizes, and scale the WB correctly, unlike DLX.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
They are supposed to be. But in my experience they are not. I had an ishod 8.3 for a long time and it was really nice. But now I have a worrest one also 8.3 and it feels thin (more like a 8.25) and flatter. Also the tips seem to be a bit more pointy while the ishod was a bit more square. Both perfectly fine shapes, but I liked the ishod a lot better
This is false, that must have been an error. I've skated over 20 decks of this shape over the last 5 years and of course they're the same. The real/krooked 8.3 twin has never had square or full kicks either, that's actually a common criticism of the shape from people that prefer fuller kicks.
True, and its a huge reason i love that shape. I skated the 8.5 with the fuller kicks for exactly one session and gave it away.
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What's the word on the Deathwish Foy twin? The Gator 8.5/14.25/32?
Been skating 8.38/14.25/32 boards lately. Seems it wouldn't be too much of an adjustment.
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What's the word on the Deathwish Foy twin? The Gator 8.5/14.25/32?
Been skating 8.38/14.25/32 boards lately. Seems it wouldn't be too much of an adjustment.
I skated one a year ago with old trucks and hated it. Set a new one up with new trucks a week or two ago and absolutely love it. I’m planning on buying multiple more as a result. Big fan.
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Foy 8.5"
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Gator_Blue_Twin_Deck/descpage-DWJFGBDK.html
Neen 8.25"
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Neen_Resurrection_Twin_Deck/descpage-DWNWRESDK.html
git'em before they're gone, they never seem to stick around and it's been a few months between drops
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What's the word on the Deathwish Foy twin? The Gator 8.5/14.25/32?
Been skating 8.38/14.25/32 boards lately. Seems it wouldn't be too much of an adjustment.
I skated one a year ago with old trucks and hated it. Set a new one up with new trucks a week or two ago and absolutely love it. I’m planning on buying multiple more as a result. Big fan.
It's a great shape, just know that the length and WB measure just under what the official dims are.
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OK so I measured the Foys.
I am European so I got metric measures but translated them to imperial - it appears that the sticker is not far from the truth:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 81 cm = 31.9"
WB = 36.25 cm = 14.27"
In comparison the Neen:
Width = 21.5 cm = 8.46"
Length = 83.1 cm = 32.7"
WB = 36.8 cm = 14.5"
Repost due to popular demand. References are to Foy and Neen 8.5 twins. There are pictures where this post came from as well.
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I've had 2 Foy Exorcisms, one was def an 8.375 (not 8.5), the other was closer to the 8.46/8.5...really liked the narrower one.
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Setup a Habitat Suciu Lone Wolf Twin 8.38, more of a twin nose than a tail since the kicks are very blunt (still less than FA), pretty steep (still less than FA) and long (6.75"). Paired with with Venture 5.8 Titanium w/ forged baseplates and it was a fun setup, not having a distinct nose / tail does take getting used to and I would ride the side with less wear to even it out.
The full "tail" felt good on kickflips because the wider area to pop made it more forgiving when your back foot isn't exactly in the center. The downside was steepness of the "tail" meant I had to pop a lot harder than normal to avoid ghost pop, but it did provide more yield on tricks where I wanted more height (lipslides on rails). And more room on the tail made tailslides feel more controlled, big plus for me since I love that trick.
360 flips needed more effort as well, given the steeper kick, but I've never had them consistently.
My biggest issue was finding the right truck tightness since I wanted both to have relatively similar tightness. I've been tightening my kingpin more recently for more stability before trick on taller obstacles, probably because my bushings are extremely worn in and the top ones have started to crack. And not having a distinct front (looser) truck made pinching on crooked grinds harder than normal. I couldn't tweak them and get a solid pop out when I needed to.
I'll try loosing both equally next session, failing which I'll swap both for spare I've accumulated.
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Heroin dropped a 9.9” symmetrical double shovel recently.
(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/37/Heroin-Double-Shovel-Helmet-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-9-9x32-1.jpg)
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Heroin dropped a 9.9” symmetrical double shovel recently.
(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/37/Heroin-Double-Shovel-Helmet-Shaped-Skateboard-Deck-Green-Stain-9-9x32-1.jpg)
They dropped a few symmetrical shapes - I picked up the 8.75 symmetrical egg, might get to riding it in a few months if I get through the other deck I have on ice by then (chems twin), and will report back on both. I'm not super big and legs are old, so the 8.75 sounds like a good compromise on 149s.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
They are supposed to be. But in my experience they are not. I had an ishod 8.3 for a long time and it was really nice. But now I have a worrest one also 8.3 and it feels thin (more like a 8.25) and flatter. Also the tips seem to be a bit more pointy while the ishod was a bit more square. Both perfectly fine shapes, but I liked the ishod a lot better
This is false, that must have been an error. I've skated over 20 decks of this shape over the last 5 years and of course they're the same. The real/krooked 8.3 twin has never had square or full kicks either, that's actually a common criticism of the shape from people that prefer fuller kicks.
I didn't necesarily mean that the ishod ones where blunt/square. They were pointy too, just this worrest one seems even pointier. But maybe it's where it was sitting in the press? More on top or more towards the bottom. That can alter the steepness/concave slightly and that can change a lot on your perception of a board. I also switched shoes with this deck, that might visually make it feel a bit smaller.
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Anyone know why Welcome decks are so damn expensive? I kinda regret having three 8.5 Evil Twins. I like them a lot, but they’re hardish to find and cost $74 on most sites. Tactics sells them for $62, but you basically have to stalk the site to catch them.
Thinking about switching to the Ishod ones cause they’re ALWAYS in stock. My madness has been so out of control lately that I’m about to just skate the same shape for as long as possible.
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Anyone know why Welcome decks are so damn expensive? I kinda regret having three 8.5 Evil Twins. I like them a lot, but they’re hardish to find and cost $74 on most sites. Tactics sells them for $62, but you basically have to stalk the site to catch them.
Thinking about switching to the Ishod ones cause they’re ALWAYS in stock. My madness has been so out of control lately that I’m about to just skate the same shape for as long as possible.
Actually, may go back to a popsicle lol. After skating my Toy Machine for months these twin tails don’t feel right. Like I think I like looking down and seeing a big nose 🥲
Also I had my front truck looser, and now I have both at the same tightness and I feel out of control. Fuck. Madness is returning.
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Anyone get an Skateshop Day Ishod twintail? I got one to skate. High concave and all the dyed veneers makes it my favorite twintail DLX has made.
I loved when they didn’t make every 8.3 Ishod a slick. One of the main reason I got it to skate.
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Anyone know why Welcome decks are so damn expensive? I kinda regret having three 8.5 Evil Twins. I like them a lot, but they’re hardish to find and cost $74 on most sites. Tactics sells them for $62, but you basically have to stalk the site to catch them.
Thinking about switching to the Ishod ones cause they’re ALWAYS in stock. My madness has been so out of control lately that I’m about to just skate the same shape for as long as possible.
Also I had my front truck looser, and now I have both at the same tightness and I feel out of control. Fuck. Madness is returning.
I went back recently (8.25 real full SE), coming off the neen 8.25 twin (tiny tails/kicks) I'm liking a real nose again, krooks are so much nicer to sit on =D
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Just got the skatedeluxe twin tail in 8.25.
The wheelbase isn't 14.25 but 14.33, just like the ishod 8.25. It's generally very similar to the dlx twin in terms of concave and fingers of flat.
It's symmetrical in terms of kick steepness and the kicks are almost exactly the same, with one being only 1mm longer. That should be good enough
There's a shiny sticker on top saying "Superply 100% canadian maple"
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I've had 2 Foy Exorcisms, one was def an 8.375 (not 8.5), the other was closer to the 8.46/8.5...really liked the narrower one.
The one I skated and hated was a Foy Exorcism. Something about it felt weird. I never measured it and it snapped in half kind of randomly after two weeks or so. It gave no indication that it was in the verge of breaking, and was the most symmetrical break I’ve ever had from a board, haha.
That said, I’m skating one of the orange gators now and I love it. It feels right. So much so that I’ve got another orange one on ice, and just bought 6 of the blue gators. I’m going pretty hard on this twin tail business for the foreseeable future right now.
We’re not going to discuss the giant stack of non-twins that are going to be sitting for the next who knows how long. I’ll get to then eventually (I hope).
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Don’t know if it was always the case, but you can now sort by twin tail in tactics when looking at decks
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Does Primitive have any twin shapes or are they planning on releasing any? Seems like with PRod riding them lately they would have some.
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Does Primitive have any twin shapes or are they planning on releasing any? Seems like with PRod riding them lately they would have some.
It would be weird if that video with him setting up a TT was just bragging, and not some form of advertising. Since he’s about his paper, and TT are becoming more popular, it’s only a matter of time.
Heroin is killing it with options, and might get my money shortly if I don’t give in to getting a Huffer:
https://www.tactics.com/search/symmetrical
I wish DLX made TT slicks in an 8.18 or 8.25, but the 8.3 is good enough. Any idea why some shops are selling the latest Ishod TT slick for cheaper than the Worrest TT slick, considering they’re from the same drop?
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Welcome just dropped some new Evil Twins on their site. Of course the 8.5 has the ugliest graphic. But damn, the 8.25 and 8.75 is sick 👀
https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/hardgoods
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Anyone get an Skateshop Day Ishod twintail? I got one to skate. High concave and all the dyed veneers makes it my favorite twintail DLX has made.
I loved when they didn’t make every 8.3 Ishod a slick. One of the main reason I got it to skate.
I snagged one in Ottawa, its a really sick looking deck with all the painted plies. The purple colour really pops against the black. I almost dont want to skate it.
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Anyone get an Skateshop Day Ishod twintail? I got one to skate. High concave and all the dyed veneers makes it my favorite twintail DLX has made.
I loved when they didn’t make every 8.3 Ishod a slick. One of the main reason I got it to skate.
I snagged one in Ottawa, its a really sick looking deck with all the painted plies. The purple colour really pops against the black. I almost dont want to skate it.
I almost pulled the trigger on one but didn’t. I normally skate 8.5 but I don’t even think I’d skate it if I got one.
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Welcome just dropped some new Evil Twins on their site. Of course the 8.5 has the ugliest graphic. But damn, the 8.25 and 8.75 is sick 👀
https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/hardgoods
That 8.25 is bangin'
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Anyone get an Skateshop Day Ishod twintail? I got one to skate. High concave and all the dyed veneers makes it my favorite twintail DLX has made.
I loved when they didn’t make every 8.3 Ishod a slick. One of the main reason I got it to skate.
I snagged one in Ottawa, its a really sick looking deck with all the painted plies. The purple colour really pops against the black. I almost dont want to skate it.
I almost pulled the trigger on one but didn’t. I normally skate 8.5 but I don’t even think I’d skate it if I got one.
Currently skating ~8" boards with 147 thunders so it might require some new trucks but Ishod actually skates 147s on his 8.3 and just uses extra washers so ill try that first.
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i skated 8.5" on indy 139s before its fine. that being said it was mcuh better on indy 144s. you dont even need washers to push out (you are only gaining like a mm anyway) 8.3" with 8" trucks will hardly magic carpet at all. i actually prefer to go up 1/4" for every trucks size.
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Does the welcome 8.25 twin shape have a 14 inch wheelbase? Some sites list it at 14 inch and some others do list it at 14.25
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Does the welcome 8.25 twin shape have a 14 inch wheelbase? Some sites list it at 14 inch and some others do list it at 14.25
The Welcome site itself says 14 and they would probably know best. But I had another of their twin tail 8.25s and it was listed as a 14.25 on the retailer's site. It's possible Welcome has its own board measurements wrong, or measured them differently from other people.
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On that welcome evil twin (specifically 8.5")
How are the tail / nose ?
They seem pretty square / shovel
How do they compare to Hockey/ FA or Gx1000 ?
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On that welcome evil twin (specifically 8.5")
How are the tail / nose ?
They seem pretty square / shovel
How do they compare to Hockey/ FA or Gx1000 ?
(https://i.ibb.co/DkDWtvY/D0393-CFD-5-E1-A-4180-A7-FF-04-ACA9-EB86-C7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DkDWtvY)(https://i.ibb.co/58q5nHq/75705-D7-B-E1-B0-4429-A998-1-BD9-D94521-DB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/58q5nHq)
Almost identical. The FA is just a little more square. Welcome tapers more, but it’s nothing drastic.
The Welcome is on top of the FA in the picture, both are 8.5. You can barely see the FA cause the shapes are that similar.
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Perfect
Thanks, it helps a lot
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Quasi twin tail 8.375" & 14.25"wb
https://quasiskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/blast-8-375
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Quasi twin tail 8.375" & 14.25"wb
https://quasiskateboards.com/collections/decks/products/blast-8-375
That’s a cool symmetrical graphic and shape.
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That quasi has been around for a minute (Henry Mirror/Dog Work, Metal Blue/Etc), ridden a few of them. It's super super good.
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That quasi has been around for a minute (Henry Mirror/Dog Work, Metal Blue/Etc), ridden a few of them. It's super super good.
Can you compare it to the Ishod twin pls?
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That quasi has been around for a minute (Henry Mirror/Dog Work, Metal Blue/Etc), ridden a few of them. It's super super good.
Can you compare it to the Ishod twin pls?
I haven’t skated the Quasi twintail, but from what I remember seeing when I compared them, the nose and tail seemed long on the Quasi. Wheelbase on the Ishod is longer. Quasi twintail has a 14.25” WB. Ishod is a 14.4” WB. Quasi is 8.375” wide. Ishod is 8.3” wide. I’ve measure the 8.3” and the DLX 8.25”, and they looks the same to me.
I love the Ishod twintail. Haven’t skated the Quasi because of the wheels base. 14.25” is too short for me
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That quasi has been around for a minute (Henry Mirror/Dog Work, Metal Blue/Etc), ridden a few of them. It's super super good.
Can you compare it to the Ishod twin pls?
I haven’t skated the Quasi twintail, but from what I remember seeing when I compared them, the nose and tail seemed long on the Quasi. Wheelbase on the Ishod is longer. Quasi twintail has a 14.25” WB. Ishod is a 14.4” WB. Quasi is 8.375” wide. Ishod is 8.3” wide. I’ve measure the 8.3” and the DLX 8.25”, and they looks the same to me.
I love the Ishod twintail. Haven’t skated the Quasi because of the wheels base. 14.25” is too short for me
Interesting thx.
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That quasi has been around for a minute (Henry Mirror/Dog Work, Metal Blue/Etc), ridden a few of them. It's super super good.
Can you compare it to the Ishod twin pls?
To me, the quasi feels more like an 8.25, whereas the Ishod feels like an 8.3/8.5:, Quasi is more Twin Nose, than Twin Tail (Ishod), the Quasi is a bit pointier than the Ishod, however, it's not pointy, it's a very full rounded shape (which has sort of spoiled me now because I love that style nose).
The Quasi (as the Dims state) is smaller all 31.75 vs 31.9 - 14.25" WB vs 14.44" - width wise it's wash, the Ishod is listed as 8.3, quasi 8.375 but tolerances as they are, they're so close you'd be hard pressed to notice.
Both BBS but depending on the numeral you get from DLX, the Quasis were always more mellow.
Biggest take is the Ishod feels bigger overall. I ran 8.25" trucks on the quasi usually. 149s on the DLX.
I'm going to nab that new quasi to Ice, the Brown/Mirror graphic was shit, Metal cat was stupid limited and the Dog Work was to directional.
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I snapped the Welcome 8.0 yesterday so immediately set up an old Ishod 8.3 that i had on standby. I turns out that the Ishod is not my cup of tea at all, it felt fat, short, heavy, pointy and I generally disliked looking down at it. I'm sure I'd get used to it again, but I'm glad I knew the Welcome was on its way out so got another, I just hadn't gripped it 'cause I was waiting to set it up for Barcelona in a couple of weeks. I for sure won't be buying an Ishod or Worrest again.
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That quasi has been around for a minute (Henry Mirror/Dog Work, Metal Blue/Etc), ridden a few of them. It's super super good.
Can you compare it to the Ishod twin pls?
To me, the quasi feels more like an 8.25, whereas the Ishod feels like an 8.3/8.5:, Quasi is more Twin Nose, than Twin Tail (Ishod), the Quasi is a bit pointier than the Ishod, however, it's not pointy, it's a very full rounded shape (which has sort of spoiled me now because I love that style nose).
The Quasi (as the Dims state) is smaller all 31.75 vs 31.9 - 14.25" WB vs 14.44" - width wise it's wash, the Ishod is listed as 8.3, quasi 8.375 but tolerances as they are, they're so close you'd be hard pressed to notice.
Both BBS but depending on the numeral you get from DLX, the Quasis were always more mellow.
Biggest take is the Ishod feels bigger overall. I ran 8.25" trucks on the quasi usually. 149s on the DLX.
I'm going to nab that new quasi to Ice, the Brown/Mirror graphic was shit, Metal cat was stupid limited and the Dog Work was to directional.
Gnar to you bruh.
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I snapped the Welcome 8.0 yesterday so immediately set up an old Ishod 8.3 that i had on standby. I turns out that the Ishod is not my cup of tea at all, it felt fat, short, heavy, pointy and I generally disliked looking down at it. I'm sure I'd get used to it again, but I'm glad I knew the Welcome was on its way out so got another, I just hadn't gripped it 'cause I was waiting to set it up for Barcelona in a couple of weeks. I for sure won't be buying an Ishod or Worrest again.
That’s one point I forgot to mention, the dlx twin did feel heaviest, especially the slick, by comparison.
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
The slick twins have also been the only boards I have had in the last 10 years that warped.
I have had three of the 8.3 twins. Two slicks that both warped, and a regular that has been sitting mostly unskated for 3 years that is still straight as an arrow.
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
Sorry I confused the welcome and the quasi.
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
My welcome twin was also BBS =)
Are all twins BBS these days?
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
My welcome twin was also BBS =)
Are all twins BBS these days?
When did Welcome go BBS??? What is going on with the Professor? Did the Jason guy who owns welcome own the shapes as well?
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It’s a pstix conspiracy to keep the utility of a nose and tail ;)
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
My welcome twin was also BBS =)
Are all twins BBS these days?
Good I hope people keep leaving until ps gets its quality control together. Good shapes but man have I had some duds from a supposedly respected woodshop
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
My welcome twin was also BBS =)
Are all twins BBS these days?
I think there was an interview with Paul where he said Welcome shapes are off limits for brands because of the effort and work the brand's out in.
He doesn’t seem like the type to hold much grudges but… probably has his own copy of templates in case they come back or someone wants them as starting points.
Kinda like how NHS has a tracing tool for shapes.
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I can understand the slick being heavy because the plastic does add weight but bbs boards have always been a bit heavier than PS stix.
Both decks in question are BBS.
My welcome twin was also BBS =)
Are all twins BBS these days?
From the Woodshop thread:
Welcome* 2021 ………. ………. BBS
Welcome* -2020 ………. ………. PS Stix
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.0
It’s a pstix conspiracy to keep the utility of a nose and tail ;)
I was thinking that PS Stix never make twin boards, as was explained, he wanted to keep the nose and tail different angles.
Funny though cause I do think that having the same concave and angle on both kicks is good, just having the kicks different lengths allows for what he says is the multi tool, without needing to have one at 20 - 22 and the other at 22 - 23 degree angles.
As to who does twin boards, I think quite a few woodshops have a symmetrical mold now. I would have to go back over the list of twins and compare them to the woodshops used, but PS Stix is maybe one of the big few who don't have a mold like that.
I think some brands were very secretive about where they got the twins from though.
Chems and Glider come to mind there.
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I recently made some fotos of the TT shapes I have at home. (Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/qKOrLed)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/Af4Nnbw.jpg)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/hgjb9Ep.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Owlien (BBS?!), Habitat (China), dlx (IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/R2pp6sV.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/0ijuW7p.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/ufloKaa.jpg)
Pictures aren't perfect.
I hope i did not mix up the dlx II and IV on the side shots of the concave, when labeling.
Didn't do that when i took them, did it later and got it mixed up, which I realized when uploading.
IV is top blue, then yellow ply and a green bottom (real doves)
II is top yellow, the brown ply and a green bootom (krooked worrest).
If anybody wants to double check.
I have a non slick 8.3 dlx III twin as a wall hanger, which I forgot to include.
Did not want to redo it and the habitat is now mounted.
Sorry for the shitty floor.
Could provide photos of a lighlty skate 8.0 dlx TT as well, I don't own a dlx 8.25 anymore.
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I recently made some fotos of the TT shapes I have at home. (Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/qKOrLed)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/Af4Nnbw.jpg)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/hgjb9Ep.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Owlien (BBS?!), Habitat (China), dlx (IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/R2pp6sV.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/0ijuW7p.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/ufloKaa.jpg)
Pictures aren't perfect.
I hope i did not mix up the dlx II and IV on the side shots of the concave, when labeling.
Didn't do that when i took them, did it later and got it mixed up, which I realized when uploading.
IV is top blue, then yellow ply and a green bottom (real doves)
II is top yellow, the brown ply and a green bootom (krooked worrest).
If anybody wants to double check.
I have a non slick 8.3 dlx III twin as a wall hanger, which I forgot to include.
Did not want to redo it and the habitat is now mounted.
Sorry for the shitty floor.
Could provide photos of a lighlty skate 8.0 dlx TT as well, I don't own a dlx 8.25 anymore.
nice comparison..
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I recently made some fotos of the TT shapes I have at home. (Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/qKOrLed)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/Af4Nnbw.jpg)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/hgjb9Ep.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Owlien (BBS?!), Habitat (China), dlx (IV)
(https://i.imgur.com/R2pp6sV.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/0ijuW7p.jpg)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/ufloKaa.jpg)
Pictures aren't perfect.
I hope i did not mix up the dlx II and IV on the side shots of the concave, when labeling.
Didn't do that when i took them, did it later and got it mixed up, which I realized when uploading.
IV is top blue, then yellow ply and a green bottom (real doves)
II is top yellow, the brown ply and a green bootom (krooked worrest).
If anybody wants to double check.
I have a non slick 8.3 dlx III twin as a wall hanger, which I forgot to include.
Did not want to redo it and the habitat is now mounted.
Sorry for the shitty floor.
Could provide photos of a lighlty skate 8.0 dlx TT as well, I don't own a dlx 8.25 anymore.
That habitat shape is crazy. Great photos, thank you
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I recently made some fotos of the TT shapes I have at home. (Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/qKOrLed)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
left to right: Crail, Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China), Dlx(IV)
top to bottom: Crail, Owlien (BBS?!), Habitat (China), dlx (IV)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
top to bottom: Crail, Dlx(IV), Owlien(BBS?!), Habitat(China)
(https://i.imgur.com/ufloKaa.jpg)
Pictures aren't perfect.
I hope i did not mix up the dlx II and IV on the side shots of the concave, when labeling.
Didn't do that when i took them, did it later and got it mixed up, which I realized when uploading.
IV is top blue, then yellow ply and a green bottom (real doves)
II is top yellow, the brown ply and a green bootom (krooked worrest).
If anybody wants to double check.
I have a non slick 8.3 dlx III twin as a wall hanger, which I forgot to include.
Did not want to redo it and the habitat is now mounted.
Sorry for the shitty floor.
Could provide photos of a lighlty skate 8.0 dlx TT as well, I don't own a dlx 8.25 anymore.
So good!!!
I always like comparing boards like this just to see differences in concave, press / mold length and angle of kicks.
The Owlien has got to be almost the steepest board I have had of any regular BBS board, which shows in this pic too. That is not including the FA / Hockey or similar boards that are known for the steepest kicks.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
I've skated a few, they're great, if they're your jam; personally I found the 8.375 Quasi a better fit for me; it's less bulky feeling than the DLX boards due to the shorter overall length and shorter WB. The kicks are more of a hybrid than tail as well.
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
(my message was not included) I’m skating my 4th Deluxe Twin Tail 8.3” Slick (Real/Krooked are identical) at the moment and it’s my favorite shape/deck. Wished it was not that heavy though (Slick layer) I have about 5 or 6 on ice 😀
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Hello twin friends. Is my assumption correct that all Ishod 8.3 twin slicks and Worrest 8.3 twin slicks are identical shapes, notwithstanding of the graphic?
I currently skate 8.3 shop blanks with the same specs as those Ishods/Worrests and also found a shop that has the BMW Ishods on sale so I figured I could stock up on those.
Who skates those, would you recommend them?
(my message was not included) I’m skating my 4th Deluxe Twin Tail 8.3” Slick (Real/Krooked are identical) at the moment and it’s my favorite shape/deck. Wished it was not that heavy though (Slick layer) I have about 5 or 6 on ice 😀
Cheers, I have two Ishods lined up next, so happy to hear they work for you, and hopefully they will do for me too.
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Welcome twin shapes are $63 on Tactics right now which is cheaper than on the Welcome site
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Welcome twin shapes are $63 on Tactics right now which is cheaper than on the Welcome site
They've been that cheap for a minute. Got the Wendigo one like back in September for $63. Tactics has the cheapest prices on all their stuff. It's weird, wonder if they just get a deal on them.
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Dude at No-Comply was like, quick, mail order! Send the ugliest one you can...(teal top is choice tho)
Quasi 8.375 x 31.75 x 14.25
(actual: 8.25x31.5x14.25...kinda not even mad...maybe THAT'S why they skate like an 8.25 =P - It does measure 8.35 directly in the middle and ONLY with a soft measuring tape across the BOTTOM with concave)
(https://i.ibb.co/n3R8XMK/IMG-4001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n3R8XMK)
Interestingly enough, I have a neen 8.25 twin on hand, it measures 8.125, but, measuring across the bottom, with concave, it's 8.25" mayhaps that's how BBs is measuring their twin tails these days? Across the bottom with concave?
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Dude at No-Comply was like, quick, mail order! Send the ugliest one you can...(teal top is choice tho)
Quasi 8.375 x 31.75 x 14.25
(actual: 8.25x31.5x14.25...kinda not even mad...maybe THAT'S why they skate like an 8.25 =P - It does measure 8.35 directly in the middle and ONLY with a soft measuring tape across the BOTTOM with concave)
(https://i.ibb.co/n3R8XMK/IMG-4001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n3R8XMK)
Interestingly enough, I have a neen 8.25 twin on hand, it measures 8.125, but, measuring across the bottom, with concave, it's 8.25" mayhaps that's how BBs is measuring their twin tails these days? Across the bottom with concave?
Interesting, a twin 8.125 is something I’ve been on the lookout for, might give the neen twin a try
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Dude at No-Comply was like, quick, mail order! Send the ugliest one you can...(teal top is choice tho)
Quasi 8.375 x 31.75 x 14.25
(actual: 8.25x31.5x14.25...kinda not even mad...maybe THAT'S why they skate like an 8.25 =P - It does measure 8.35 directly in the middle and ONLY with a soft measuring tape across the BOTTOM with concave)
(https://i.ibb.co/n3R8XMK/IMG-4001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n3R8XMK)
Interestingly enough, I have a neen 8.25 twin on hand, it measures 8.125, but, measuring across the bottom, with concave, it's 8.25" mayhaps that's how BBs is measuring their twin tails these days? Across the bottom with concave?
Finally got around to setting this one up (slappy trucks and STFs) after riding two other decks (non-twin disorder - shovelish nose/girl board stupid long tail); this deck does me right every time, zero adjustment period, just setup and go; kick shape is perfect for everything...I've even been told by the homies I should just ride this forever since I skate so well on it.
Nabbed another one last night (they're not widely available it seems) from Long Beach skate.
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Finally got around to setting this one up (slappy trucks and STFs) after riding two other decks (non-twin disorder - shovelish nose/girl board stupid long tail); this deck does me right every time, zero adjustment period, just setup and go; kick shape is perfect for everything...I've even been told by the homies I should just ride this forever since I skate so well on it.
Nabbed another one last night (they're not widely available it seems) from Long Beach skate.
Sounds good, how does the shape compare to the Quasi Henry Mirror? The Blast looks fuller in the kicks, but hard to tell because it seems like every shop is using the same image.
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It is the same quasi Henry mirror shape, I’ve run a few (8.375 that’s actually 8.25” this run)
When you buy another to put on ice and you get the same colors you’re currently riding but top and bottom ply are reversed 😝
(https://i.ibb.co/gFsy1Tc/IMG-4062.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gFsy1Tc)
(https://i.ibb.co/znf0H2Q/IMG-4063.jpg) (https://ibb.co/znf0H2Q)
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It is the same quasi Henry mirror shape, I’ve run a few (8.375 that’s actually 8.25” this run)
When you buy another to put on ice and you get the same colors you’re currently riding but top and bottom ply are reversed 😝
(https://i.ibb.co/gFsy1Tc/IMG-4062.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gFsy1Tc)
(https://i.ibb.co/znf0H2Q/IMG-4063.jpg) (https://ibb.co/znf0H2Q)
Currently riding the cat graphic of this same shape and love it! Perfectly balanced shape besides it being just a hair short! Might be in my rotation of shapes for the foreseeable future :-)
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I missed that drop, sadly. Currently planning on picking up at least one each drop, if not two.
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Currently riding the cat graphic of this same shape and love it! Perfectly balanced shape besides it being just a hair short! Might be in my rotation of shapes for the foreseeable future :-)
Perfectly balanced is a great way to describe it; what I like about is it doesn't feel, or skate like other twins I've ridden, it just feels normal.
e.g., the Welcome 8.5 and Habitat 8.375 felt like twins (they're also more shovel-like) compared to the quasi, neen / Foy Deathwish.
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It is the same quasi Henry mirror shape, I’ve run a few (8.375 that’s actually 8.25” this run)
Thanks dude. I dig the Welcome twin shape a bit more than the Quasi so I'll stick with that for now.
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It is the same quasi Henry mirror shape, I’ve run a few (8.375 that’s actually 8.25” this run)
Thanks dude. I dig the Welcome twin shape a bit more than the Quasi so I'll stick with that for now.
I like the shape, but the 8.25"'s WB is too short (and no 8.3x" option)' the 8.5 is great tho if you ride bigger sizes.
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Does anyone else feel like most people sneer at twin tails? Why are there relatively few options? Twin tail riders are skating's forgotten people.
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Does anyone else feel like most people sneer at twin tails? Why are there relatively few options? Twin tail riders are skating's forgotten people.
Nah they've exploded in the last few years. Some of the most popular pros are riding twins, they're everywhere.
Ishod, Prod, Foy, ...
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Worrest...Henry..
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Okay. Maybe I was just being paranoid. Check out this Delfino twin model. Looks nice.
https://skateparkoftampa.com/-deathwish-pedro-delfino-justified-homicide-deck-white-93205-3
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Okay. Maybe I was just being paranoid. Check out this Delfino twin model. Looks nice.
https://skateparkoftampa.com/-deathwish-pedro-delfino-justified-homicide-deck-white-93205-3
If the dims are accurate, doubtful, with that 14.28”….I’d think it would skate pretty nicely.
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Okay. Maybe I was just being paranoid. Check out this Delfino twin model. Looks nice.
https://skateparkoftampa.com/-deathwish-pedro-delfino-justified-homicide-deck-white-93205-3
If the dims are accurate, doubtful, with that 14.28”….I’d think it would skate pretty nicely.
I‘dsay that‘s a mislabeling by SoT, it‘s not listed as twin anywhere else, quite the contrary
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/delfino-justified-homicide-85-skateboard-deck (https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/delfino-justified-homicide-85-skateboard-deck)
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Okay. Maybe I was just being paranoid. Check out this Delfino twin model. Looks nice.
https://skateparkoftampa.com/-deathwish-pedro-delfino-justified-homicide-deck-white-93205-3
If the dims are accurate, doubtful, with that 14.28”….I’d think it would skate pretty nicely.
I‘dsay that‘s a mislabeling by SoT, it‘s not listed as twin anywhere else, quite the contrary
https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/delfino-justified-homicide-85-skateboard-deck (https://www.tactics.com/deathwish/delfino-justified-homicide-85-skateboard-deck)
Weird. But for "Deck Shape" it says "Twin" on Tactics but then gives different nose and tail lengths.
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Goddamn, I love the Ishod symmetrical deck so much. It was a bit weird at first, I would miss some flicks and shit, and I spent more time than I would like to admit trying to keep my trucks equally tight, but holy shit, it’s so sick not having to think about asymmetry. Gone are the days of flinging annoying little shuvs between tricks to reorient the bloard. The local shop has none left, and they just sold the Foy twin tail in my size. Why did I let myself get hurt like this? Unbreak my heaaaaart.
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I want a twin nose but not Neen's one.
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I want a twin nose but not Neen's one.
Same I'd like a twin nose solely for transition. Currently riding a regular popsicle for the first time in years and a fat steep nose is awesome for noseblunts and basically all nose tricks.
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Lol why not Neen’s, though? Because Neen?
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I want a twin nose but not Neen's one.
The Habitat / Alien Workshops are a hybrid, not too pointy, not too full, but steep and long like a nose.
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I want a twin nose but not Neen's one.
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I want a twin nose but not Neen's one.
The Habitat / Alien Workshops are a hybrid, not too pointy, not too full, but steep and long like a nose.
And the decks are long...WB is long...it's a big boy board for sure...the kicks are def more like a shovel nose than a rounded tail.
The Foy twin is more hybrid but I'd push it into the rounded nose category.
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I asked Tactics about that Delfino board and they said it's a twin shape but the nose and tail are different lengths. That seems contradictory to me but that was their answer.
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I asked Tactics about that Delfino board and they said it's a twin shape but the nose and tail are different lengths. That seems contradictory to me but that was their answer.
Schmidt said in a nine club if you cut a twin out of a stock mold, it won’t be a true twin. maybe this is one of those cases.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
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Would AF-1 66's be too big on an 8.5 Girl/Chocolate Twin Tip (G096 Shape)? I wanna use my same trucks I'm on, but I wasn't sure if that would hot rod too much or not.
I guess I could try the heroin 9.5 razor egg if I want my trucks to be more snug but it looks pretty pointy at the ends. Looking for more of a nosey, blunt end
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
Man those spits looks super white, i thought they were or/regs spits for second.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
8.125... wonder what the other specs will be...
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Would AF-1 66's be too big on an 8.5 Girl/Chocolate Twin Tip (G096 Shape)? I wanna use my same trucks I'm on, but I wasn't sure if that would hot rod too much or not.
I guess I could try the heroin 9.5 razor egg if I want my trucks to be more snug but it looks pretty pointy at the ends. Looking for more of a nosey, blunt end
Funny enough, I'm in a super similar situation. I got 2 of the G096 from their Spring sale that are coming in a few days. Luckily i have some pretty fresh Mindy 149's that should fit beautifully for my intro to the twin tip world.
The AF-1 66's are pretty big trucks, they stick out on the front of my ~8.7 tapered Black Label egg, but are pretty flush toward the wider back end. I can confirm once the decks come in, but my guess is the 66s are gonna stick out by a noticeable amount. Personally, I would try to size trucks down, or board up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
8.125... wonder what the other specs will be...
I really hope it's like the 8.25 dims (31.875 x 14), would be perfect with Venture 5.2 Lo V-Hollow
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I asked Tactics about that Delfino board and they said it's a twin shape but the nose and tail are different lengths. That seems contradictory to me but that was their answer.
Schmidt said in a nine club if you cut a twin out of a stock mold, it won’t be a true twin. maybe this is one of those cases.
Yeah, the good professor noticed that crobs TT deck had different fingers of flat.
You probably could get a symmetrical twin out of a stock mold, provided that the kicks are the same angle, and that you drill it in equally from each side.
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Would AF-1 66's be too big on an 8.5 Girl/Chocolate Twin Tip (G096 Shape)? I wanna use my same trucks I'm on, but I wasn't sure if that would hot rod too much or not.
I guess I could try the heroin 9.5 razor egg if I want my trucks to be more snug but it looks pretty pointy at the ends. Looking for more of a nosey, blunt end
Funny enough, I'm in a super similar situation. I got 2 of the G096 from their Spring sale that are coming in a few days. Luckily i have some pretty fresh Mindy 149's that should fit beautifully for my intro to the twin tip world.
The AF-1 66's are pretty big trucks, they stick out on the front of my ~8.7 tapered Black Label egg, but are pretty flush toward the wider back end. I can confirm once the decks come in, but my guess is the 66s are gonna stick out by a noticeable amount. Personally, I would try to size trucks down, or board up.
Good to know. I'll just lurk online for some 8.5 ish trucks before snagging a G096, hopefully there are some new graphics on this shape by then.
Stoked to add a twin tip as an option
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
This video made me lol several times. These guys were unintentionally or maybe intentionally like a comedic duo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
8.125... wonder what the other specs will be...
I really hope it's like the 8.25 dims (31.875 x 14), would be perfect with Venture 5.2 Lo V-Hollow
I'd bet good money that it will be just [that] like their 8.125s (which are awesome, they skate like 8.25s).
Not surprised he stuck with the 5.6s.
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has anyone gone from riding a pair of trucks that were broken in on a twin tail to then skating those same trucks on a "regular" board?
currently skating the ishod 8.5 tt deck and have foy's 8.5 deck coming in the mail. but after that, i don't have any tt's on ice because they're a bit scarce (as everyone has pointed out), especially in the 8.5 size.
didn't know if anyone has been in a similar situation, and if going back from a tt to "regular" shape was weird at all.
thanks!
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has anyone gone from riding a pair of trucks that were broken in on a twin tail to then skating those same trucks on a "regular" board?
currently skating the ishod 8.5 tt deck and have foy's 8.5 deck coming in the mail. but after that, i don't have any tt's on ice because they're a bit scarce (as everyone has pointed out), especially in the 8.5 size.
didn't know if anyone has been in a similar situation, and if going back from a tt to "regular" shape was weird all.
thanks!
I've done it and it wasn't an issue. Ideally when you're riding a twin your trucks break in evenly and wear evenly, so going to a standard shape really shouldn't be an issue. I've even gone from regular to twin tail and it's been ok, I just rotated the bushings a bit.
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has anyone gone from riding a pair of trucks that were broken in on a twin tail to then skating those same trucks on a "regular" board?
currently skating the ishod 8.5 tt deck and have foy's 8.5 deck coming in the mail. but after that, i don't have any tt's on ice because they're a bit scarce (as everyone has pointed out), especially in the 8.5 size.
didn't know if anyone has been in a similar situation, and if going back from a tt to "regular" shape was weird all.
thanks!
I've done it and it wasn't an issue. Ideally when you're riding a twin your trucks break in evenly and wear evenly, so going to a standard shape really shouldn't be an issue. I've even gone from regular to twin tail and it's been ok, I just rotated the bushings a bit.
awesome! i assumed it would be all right to switch, but wanted some insight since this is my first tt set-up. appreciate it homie! :)
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
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https://drkrminc.com/collections/decks/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
Darkroom is doing twins now, tips look a little too short to be considered twin nose.
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https://drkrminc.com/collections/decks/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
Darkroom is doing twins now, tips look a little too short to be considered twin nose.
twin kicks..like the old days..
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https://drkrminc.com/collections/decks/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
Darkroom is doing twins now.
You mean since April of last year?
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https://drkrminc.com/collections/decks/products/rabbit-hole-symmetri-tail-skateboard-deck-8-25
Darkroom is doing twins now, tips look a little too short to be considered twin nose.
enjoy it while you can
just in case you missed the news drkroom is done
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
I hate that they only have the twin tip in one size. Make an 8.5, Santa Cruz!
I’m very very happy with the Foy twin shape.
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
Man I'd love to try a twin VX but those graphics are rough...
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
I hate that they only have the twin tip in one size. Make an 8.5, Santa Cruz!
I’m very very happy with the Foy twin shape.
What’s the concave and kick steepness like?
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I've got about 8-10 sessions in on the Crailtap G096, 8.5 twin nose and yo... this is sick.
I think they referred to it as a twin "paddle"? I guess since the tips are nose-esque, but mellow and smallish - but regardless, it works super good for me. Having each stance on a consistent kicktail has been superb. I've found I really like shorter wheelbases (14" on this board) and sizing down the width from Crail's Couch shape, and similar others, has given me more.... agility? Not that it should be a surprise...
Should have gotten the Girl Malto graphic cause the Choco Crob graphic kinda blows. Blue stained bottom ply is cool tho. Didn't realize there's only like 3 graphics for that shape.
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
I hate that they only have the twin tip in one size. Make an 8.5, Santa Cruz!
I’m very very happy with the Foy twin shape.
What’s the concave and kick steepness like?
Ridden three, all were mellow-medium. Great board (even if the dims measured just under what they spec).
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
Man I'd love to try a twin VX but those graphics are rough...
I don't mind Asp's, least offensive...mccoy eagle is aight...but wtflorida is this shit:
(https://www.tactics.com/a/efpx/2/santa-cruz-mccoy-donut-dog-825-vx-skateboard-deck.webp)
Graphics aside, when they do a VX twin slick run, I'm all in.
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Looks like SC is upping their game (and still pressed at DSM)
https://nhsskatedirect.com/collections/santa-cruz-twin-tip-skateboard-decks
I hate that they only have the twin tip in one size. Make an 8.5, Santa Cruz!
I’m very very happy with the Foy twin shape.
What’s the concave and kick steepness like?
Ridden three, all were mellow-medium. Great board (even if the dims measured just under what they spec).
I’d say medium concave mellow kicks. I think at least the first run they did the dimensions were off, the orange as well as blue Foy gators have felt like they are the right size. I didn’t bother to measure them, but they felt bigger than the Foy yellow death horse graphic that I skated a year or so before trying these ones. That yellow death horse had me thinking twin tails weren’t for me. Now I’m all about them (for the time being at least).
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All of mine.were the death horse so that would make sense...
However, all the bbs twins ive ridden have been a 1/4 size narrower, neen, foy, quasi Henry…
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
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Almost all of Skull Skates street decks have “sturdy twin shape” in the description, can anybody confirm if these are actual twin shapes?
http://www.skullskates.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/1_38/osCsid/b825beff7a2adcf6b5f889a2bd9fb06f
http://www.skullskates.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1_38/products_id/1972/osCsid/b825beff7a2adcf6b5f889a2bd9fb06f
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They just mean popsicle (twin) vs shaped (what they’re really known for).
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
The G096 has been super fun, highly recommend if it seems to fit what you'd like. The tips are really nicely shaped - Nice wide surface, but rather mellow on the kicks.
14" WB makes it compact and agile, and the flatter concave, fatter tails seems to help with my consistency.
Only thing is the mellow kicks make scooping 360 flips really weird, they really don't want to work, but I'm terrible at them anyway.... Pop Shuvs and nollies feel amazing - shit just works for me
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
The G096 has been super fun, highly recommend if it seems to fit what you'd like. The tips are really nicely shaped - Nice wide surface, but rather mellow on the kicks.
14" WB makes it compact and agile, and the flatter concave, fatter tails seems to help with my consistency.
Only thing is the mellow kicks make scooping 360 flips really weird, they really don't want to work, but I'm terrible at them anyway.... Pop Shuvs and nollies feel amazing - shit just works for me
Is the 8.5 a different mold than the 8.25? It’s been a minute, but I thought the kicks felt kinda medium/steep on the smaller one; more twin nose than twin tail to me. Maybe I’m just used to the mellow side of the spectrum.
I liked the deck, but I remember getting a lot of ghost pop on AF1s when I got lazy. I’ve been wanting to try the 8.5.
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
The G096 has been super fun, highly recommend if it seems to fit what you'd like. The tips are really nicely shaped - Nice wide surface, but rather mellow on the kicks.
14" WB makes it compact and agile, and the flatter concave, fatter tails seems to help with my consistency.
Only thing is the mellow kicks make scooping 360 flips really weird, they really don't want to work, but I'm terrible at them anyway.... Pop Shuvs and nollies feel amazing - shit just works for me
Is the 8.5 a different mold than the 8.25? It’s been a minute, but I thought the kicks felt kinda medium/steep on the smaller one; more twin nose than twin tail to me. Maybe I’m just used to the mellow side of the spectrum.
I liked the deck, but I remember getting a lot of ghost pop on AF1s when I got lazy. I’ve been wanting to try the 8.5.
I had both the 8.25 and 8.5 and the kicks are steep. It still feels mellow because there's a big amount of flat between bolts and the kicks. Not as bad as the loveseat/couch, but still too much for me. I could only skate it on ventures+54mm wheels, everything else needed huge wheels in order to get the right pop (for me)
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anyone notice their kickflips are lower and less consistent with a TT. Started skating an Ishod 8.38 and its been 3 sessions and they feel far less consistent and more likely to rocket flip.
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anyone notice their kickflips are lower and less consistent with a TT. Started skating an Ishod 8.38 and its been 3 sessions and they feel far less consistent and more likely to rocket flip.
Probably not because it's a twin tail. Heavier due to the slick bottom? Kinda long 14.4 wheelbase? Kicks too mellow/steep for your preference?
Is the 8.3 ishod tt actually a true 8.38? I liked that deck a lot.
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anyone notice their kickflips are lower and less consistent with a TT. Started skating an Ishod 8.38 and its been 3 sessions and they feel far less consistent and more likely to rocket flip.
Is the 8.3 ishod tt actually a true 8.38? I liked that deck a lot.
I had the first generation TT Ishod (awesome graphics with the panthers). I too had difficulty getting some of my simple flip tricks to feel right or work the way I wanted. After I re-drilled the tails so they were more like 7”, everything worked better. Now, if I get a Twin, I look for longer kicks and it works better for my flip tricks. Maybe you need a “Twin Nose”?
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anyone notice their kickflips are lower and less consistent with a TT. Started skating an Ishod 8.38 and its been 3 sessions and they feel far less consistent and more likely to rocket flip.
Is the 8.3 ishod tt actually a true 8.38? I liked that deck a lot.
I dont think weight is the issue as I came from an 8.5. This one was a one on press and measures to 8.25. I actually prefer long wheelbases because Im 6' 4 but I think you might be onto something about the mellow tails and shortness of them. I just got offered an internship position so as a gift to myself Im gonna ditch the tt and get a sci fi 8.5 today.
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
The G096 has been super fun, highly recommend if it seems to fit what you'd like. The tips are really nicely shaped - Nice wide surface, but rather mellow on the kicks.
14" WB makes it compact and agile, and the flatter concave, fatter tails seems to help with my consistency.
Only thing is the mellow kicks make scooping 360 flips really weird, they really don't want to work, but I'm terrible at them anyway.... Pop Shuvs and nollies feel amazing - shit just works for me
Is the 8.5 a different mold than the 8.25? It’s been a minute, but I thought the kicks felt kinda medium/steep on the smaller one; more twin nose than twin tail to me. Maybe I’m just used to the mellow side of the spectrum.
I liked the deck, but I remember getting a lot of ghost pop on AF1s when I got lazy. I’ve been wanting to try the 8.5.
I had both the 8.25 and 8.5 and the kicks are steep. It still feels mellow because there's a big amount of flat between bolts and the kicks. Not as bad as the loveseat/couch, but still too much for me. I could only skate it on ventures+54mm wheels, everything else needed huge wheels in order to get the right pop (for me)
Maybe I'm just used to steeper kicks then. I could see the flats being deceiving tho.
I also loved the couch shape fwiw, ran it on on Aces and 54mms
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
The G096 has been super fun, highly recommend if it seems to fit what you'd like. The tips are really nicely shaped - Nice wide surface, but rather mellow on the kicks.
14" WB makes it compact and agile, and the flatter concave, fatter tails seems to help with my consistency.
Only thing is the mellow kicks make scooping 360 flips really weird, they really don't want to work, but I'm terrible at them anyway.... Pop Shuvs and nollies feel amazing - shit just works for me
Is the 8.5 a different mold than the 8.25? It’s been a minute, but I thought the kicks felt kinda medium/steep on the smaller one; more twin nose than twin tail to me. Maybe I’m just used to the mellow side of the spectrum.
I liked the deck, but I remember getting a lot of ghost pop on AF1s when I got lazy. I’ve been wanting to try the 8.5.
I had both the 8.25 and 8.5 and the kicks are steep. It still feels mellow because there's a big amount of flat between bolts and the kicks. Not as bad as the loveseat/couch, but still too much for me. I could only skate it on ventures+54mm wheels, everything else needed huge wheels in order to get the right pop (for me)
Maybe I'm just used to steeper kicks then. I could see the flats being deceiving tho.
I also loved the couch shape fwiw, ran it on on Aces and 54mms
Yeah, there’s definitely something with that shape. A little weird feeling at first, but like I said, I thought it was a really good deck, especially for people who find most twin decks too mellow. I think I might go AF1 Lows and some small wheels next time if I end up finding an 8.5 around.
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My Welcome twin is about ready to snap so got a Santa Cruz McCoy twin to change things up. I had my first session on it this morning and i didn't hate it. Kicks are less full and steeper but it feels like they abruptly angle upwards in the pocket which is pretty fucking odd feeling.
No surprise that it's a really stiff deck and it's got that crisp snappy sounding pop, but yeah, there's zero flex on it. I reckon another couple of sessions on it and I should be used to it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geTeaAQv3WA
P-Rod sets up another twin (nose)
6:45ish... not out yet. Will cop when it eventually drops.
Got this from Primitive CS...
"eCommerce Support (Primitive Skateboarding)
May 17, 2023, 12:49 PDT
Hi Freddie,
As promised, I got the answer now from the relevant team. They have informed us that the twin deck is expected to be released this Fall, but we do not yet have the dimension available at this time.
We'll surely provide more details as we approach the release date. :)"
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
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Got this from Primitive CS...
"eCommerce Support (Primitive Skateboarding)
May 17, 2023, 12:49 PDT
Hi Freddie,
As promised, I got the answer now from the relevant team. They have informed us that the twin deck is expected to be released this Fall, but we do not yet have the dimension available at this time.
We'll surely provide more details as we approach the release date. :)"
Nice, I never did get a response from them.
What trucks are you running on the Welcome twin?
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anyone notice their kickflips are lower and less consistent with a TT. Started skating an Ishod 8.38 and its been 3 sessions and they feel far less consistent and more likely to rocket flip.
was on this shape for a while.
With a smaller nose than normal it helps to put more of your foot on the board for kickflips.
I would just barely cover my rear two front truck bolts, and my toe would be almost to the edge of the board (size 10 shoe)
even with all that foot on the board kickflips were effortless.
really like that shape, i just wish it was a bit longer and had a longer WB.
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
hmm...I can't stand twin tail but I could be willing to try a twin nose.
I'd probably still assign one side as nose and the other tail due to my truck preferences.
Are they specifically marketed as "twin nose" or is it still called a twin tail but with bigger kicks?
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
hmm...I can't stand twin tail but I could be willing to try a twin nose.
I'd probably still assign one side as nose and the other tail due to my truck preferences.
Are they specifically marketed as "twin nose" or is it still called a twin tail but with bigger kicks?
It is still called twin tail but with bigger kicks.
Check out Alien and Habitat or Deathwish twins for bigger/longer kicks.
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Awesome, thank you!
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
hmm...I can't stand twin tail but I could be willing to try a twin nose.
I'd probably still assign one side as nose and the other tail due to my truck preferences.
Are they specifically marketed as "twin nose" or is it still called a twin tail but with bigger kicks?
Crailtap also has a twin tip, an 8.25 and an 8.5. The kicks are definitely more nose-esque but sit right in the middle between nose and tail shape/size. Nice and full, but also compact and light somehow. The 8.5 was my favorite deck in the past few years.
Note the WB is only 14" tho.
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Got this from Primitive CS...
"eCommerce Support (Primitive Skateboarding)
May 17, 2023, 12:49 PDT
Hi Freddie,
As promised, I got the answer now from the relevant team. They have informed us that the twin deck is expected to be released this Fall, but we do not yet have the dimension available at this time.
We'll surely provide more details as we approach the release date. :)"
Nice, I never did get a response from them.
What trucks are you running on the Welcome twin?
Indy 139 Titanium
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
hmm...I can't stand twin tail but I could be willing to try a twin nose.
I'd probably still assign one side as nose and the other tail due to my truck preferences.
Are they specifically marketed as "twin nose" or is it still called a twin tail but with bigger kicks?
Welcome markets these as "Evil Twins" they have a few different sizes as well... The main reason I even tried a Welcome deck is because they make a twin in an 8.0"... the only other company that I know that makes 8.0 twins are Real (Ishod) and Glider...
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Picked up some Habitat 8.38 twins and looks like they went back to BBS
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/mark-suciu-marble-maze-8-375-twin
BBS, black and white "Made in Mexico" sticker
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/mosaic-20-white-8-375-twin
DSM, white sticker with "Made in China"
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Looks like there’s a new (graphic) 8.3 Krooked Worrest twin slick.
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Anyone know the current range of 8.3 / 8.375 / 8.38 twins? I see a few Ishods (old stock), Worrest (new and old) and the Quasi on the market in Europe. Do you know of others? I like the Ishod but would not mind trying something else.
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I just started skating around on the Jamie Foy twin tail. It’s a touch wider than you’d like (8.5), but the wheel base is like 14.28, and I’m really liking it. I think there’s an 8.25, but I can’t find the info on it.
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I just started skating around on the Jamie Foy twin tail. It’s a touch wider than you’d like (8.5), but the wheel base is like 14.28, and I’m really liking it. I think there’s an 8.25, but I can’t find the info on it.
Cheers, I skated three Foys and they were good but I like it a wee bit smaller. Not ready for 8.25 tho. ::)
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I have a new 8.3 quasi, a lightly skated 8.5 foy, and new 8.5 glider that are all twin tails. Not really feeling them so if anyone is interested in them shoot me a PM.
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
hmm...I can't stand twin tail but I could be willing to try a twin nose.
I'd probably still assign one side as nose and the other tail due to my truck preferences.
Are they specifically marketed as "twin nose" or is it still called a twin tail but with bigger kicks?
Crailtap also has a twin tip, an 8.25 and an 8.5. The kicks are definitely more nose-esque but sit right in the middle between nose and tail shape/size. Nice and full, but also compact and light somehow. The 8.5 was my favorite deck in the past few years.
Note the WB is only 14" tho.
Currently maining their 8.25 twin. G069 if anyone is interested. The 8.5 is the G096. Their dims are identical save for width, with 6.84” tips and a 14” wheelbase. It’s definitely a specific feel, but if you want mellow and a lot of fingers of flat, short WB and still a fuller width I can’t recommend them enough.
Honestly it feels like the 69 was made specifically for me. Pop and flip tricks felt instantly effortless, and they skate like a lighter board.
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anyone notice their kickflips are lower and less consistent with a TT. Started skating an Ishod 8.38 and its been 3 sessions and they feel far less consistent and more likely to rocket flip.
was on this shape for a while.
With a smaller nose than normal it helps to put more of your foot on the board for kickflips.
I would just barely cover my rear two front truck bolts, and my toe would be almost to the edge of the board (size 10 shoe)
even with all that foot on the board kickflips were effortless.
really like that shape, i just wish it was a bit longer and had a longer WB.
This worked for me as well. I would flick a bit too early and primo more by over flipping or the nose would dip too soon after the catch and ninja flip/hit the ground. The nose is both pointier and notably smaller so logically your foot will leave the pocket/nose a bit sooner. This actually made Tre flips a bit easier for me. What was a big issue for me was not airfooting my nollie tricks. They were really high, but I really had to push my front foot forward and get the timing precise.
The one thing that never felt great was boosting Ollie's honestly. It sounds dumb but I have a manhole cover in front of my house and I didn't like the feeling of my front foot when it would hit the top of the nose and I would level out. It's like a slight lack of positive feedback.
It takes some adaptation and I could gladly skate one again just fine. My main problem with it was I just never skated it like a true twin and discovered that I don't care about skating a board one direction.
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On to another twin topic, I swapped from an Ishod 8.0 twin tail to a Welcome 8.0 Twin Nose this set up... definitely a big difference in board feel, and the welcome deck feels a lot more snappy... not sure it is because of the longer kicks or what, but starting to get used to it after 2nd session... seems like I can catch kickflips in the pocket better, but might just be the new grip as well...
hmm...I can't stand twin tail but I could be willing to try a twin nose.
I'd probably still assign one side as nose and the other tail due to my truck preferences.
Are they specifically marketed as "twin nose" or is it still called a twin tail but with bigger kicks?
Crailtap also has a twin tip, an 8.25 and an 8.5. The kicks are definitely more nose-esque but sit right in the middle between nose and tail shape/size. Nice and full, but also compact and light somehow. The 8.5 was my favorite deck in the past few years.
Note the WB is only 14" tho.
Currently maining their 8.25 twin. G069 if anyone is interested. The 8.5 is the G096. Their dims are identical save for width, with 6.84” tips and a 14” wheelbase. It’s definitely a specific feel, but if you want mellow and a lot of fingers of flat, short WB and still a fuller width I can’t recommend them enough.
Honestly it feels like the 69 was made specifically for me. Pop and flip tricks felt instantly effortless, and they skate like a lighter board.
I hear you brother. I'm also a massive fan of the G069
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Currently disappointed with the Ishod 8.25 twin. It's marked IV off the press so I totally understand that it's a flat deck. But oh my... it's really flat to my liking. Unfortunately there's no physical skate shop near my place so I have to order everything online. Now I'm about to move on in pursuit of another twin tail. The only twins available is the Crob and Neen twins. I like steep kicks and deep concave. Should I get the Crob or the Neen? Response is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
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Currently disappointed with the Ishod 8.25 twin. It's marked IV off the press so I totally understand that it's a flat deck. But oh my... it's really flat to my liking. Unfortunately there's no physical skate shop near my place so I have to order everything online. Now I'm about to move on in pursuit of another twin tail. The only twins available is the Crob and Neen twins. I like steep kicks and deep concave. Should I get the Crob or the Neen? Response is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
I've not skated the crail, but just based of their other boards, it's going to be steeper than the Neen, which is super mellow.
Check out the Santa Cruz twins if you want steep kicks (medium/mellow concave).
The steepest and deepest (and that's not saying much) was the Welcome Evil Twin as it has the most concave (medium kicks) of all the twins I've skated; plus it's more full/square than just about anything out there sans the hab/aws (which has good concave and steepish kicks); it's just a beast tho, but might be what you are looking for if you ride big/long/long WB boards.
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Currently disappointed with the Ishod 8.25 twin. It's marked IV off the press so I totally understand that it's a flat deck. But oh my... it's really flat to my liking. Unfortunately there's no physical skate shop near my place so I have to order everything online. Now I'm about to move on in pursuit of another twin tail. The only twins available is the Crob and Neen twins. I like steep kicks and deep concave. Should I get the Crob or the Neen? Response is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
I've not skated the crail, but just based of their other boards, it's going to be steeper than the Neen, which is super mellow.
Check out the Santa Cruz twins if you want steep kicks (medium/mellow concave).
The steepest and deepest (and that's not saying much) was the Welcome Evil Twin as it has the most concave (medium kicks) of all the twins I've skated; plus it's more full/square than just about anything out there sans the hab/aws (which has good concave and steepish kicks); it's just a beast tho, but might be what you are looking for if you ride big/long/long WB boards.
Thanks Xen. Much appreciated. I like how you described the Evil Twin as deep concave, steep kicks and full nose is my cup of tea. But I can't go past 14.25 wheelbase. 14 is my goldilocks WB. Seems I'm going to stick with the Crob GO69.
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Currently disappointed with the Ishod 8.25 twin. It's marked IV off the press so I totally understand that it's a flat deck. But oh my... it's really flat to my liking. Unfortunately there's no physical skate shop near my place so I have to order everything online. Now I'm about to move on in pursuit of another twin tail. The only twins available is the Crob and Neen twins. I like steep kicks and deep concave. Should I get the Crob or the Neen? Response is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
I've not skated the crail, but just based of their other boards, it's going to be steeper than the Neen, which is super mellow.
Check out the Santa Cruz twins if you want steep kicks (medium/mellow concave).
The steepest and deepest (and that's not saying much) was the Welcome Evil Twin as it has the most concave (medium kicks) of all the twins I've skated; plus it's more full/square than just about anything out there sans the hab/aws (which has good concave and steepish kicks); it's just a beast tho, but might be what you are looking for if you ride big/long/long WB boards.
Thanks Xen. Much appreciated. I like how you described the Evil Twin as deep concave, steep kicks and full nose is my cup of tea. But I can't go past 14.25 wheelbase. 14 is my goldilocks WB. Seems I'm going to stick with the Crob GO69.
G069 is the best shape ever, at least for me. Sucks that here in EU is hard to find.
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(https://i.imgur.com/5E8GXGE.jpg)
Thought I'd post this here, two 8.38 twins, the Ishod and the Henry. Ishod is a bit longer (I measured 31.6 vs. 31.7) and a hair more wheelbase (14,29 vs. 14.37). These are my measurements, converted from metrical to imperial, make of it what you will. Shape looks pretty similar, the Ishod is probably a bit more tapered. Steepness looks similar. Haven't skated a Quasi yet so can't compare. I will report back once I set it up.
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Did you measure the width? My last two “8.3” quasi twins were in fact 8.25 :/
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for what it's worth:
-started riding TT with the Ishod 8.5" peacock board but wasn't the most hyped.
-immediately switched to the Foy 8.5" gator board and enjoyed it more.
for my next deck i really wanna try the Malto/Crob G096.
The G096 has been super fun, highly recommend if it seems to fit what you'd like. The tips are really nicely shaped - Nice wide surface, but rather mellow on the kicks.
14" WB makes it compact and agile, and the flatter concave, fatter tails seems to help with my consistency.
Only thing is the mellow kicks make scooping 360 flips really weird, they really don't want to work, but I'm terrible at them anyway.... Pop Shuvs and nollies feel amazing - shit just works for me
coming back to this post to say my third G096 is coming in the mail today! might be my favorite shape ever.
has anyone who has ridden the G096 shape tried the Krooked 8.3" Bobby TT slick shape? thinking of switching it up after i burn through this G096 coming today. feel like the 14.4" WB would be too much of a step up from the 14" WB.
i ride 149's and 56 conical fulls for reference. cheers!
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i bought a 8.25 mini logo deck and it is actually 8.38. i gave it to my carpender friend. he sand the nose down. now i have a 8.38 twin tail. i don't know how it works. this is my first board, i barely do ollie and shuvit. i tried pop shuvs with my foot while i am not on the board but it looks like impossible for now. we'll see.
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coming back to this post to say my third G096 is coming in the mail today! might be my favorite shape ever.
has anyone who has ridden the G096 shape tried the Krooked 8.3" Bobby TT slick shape? thinking of switching it up after i burn through this G096 coming today. feel like the 14.4" WB would be too much of a step up from the 14" WB.
i ride 149's and 56 conical fulls for reference. cheers!
The 8.3" bobby is the same as the Ishod 8.3" if you've ever tried one of those. I purchased a Bobby one a few months back and it had the same Twin Tail sticker on it as the Ishod, but with Ishods name crossed out and Bobby written over it ;D
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https://www.303boards.com/collections/skateboarding/products/303-boards-orbs-twin-tail-deck-black-8-5
303 has shop decks in the twin tail shape, last I heard they were using BBS.
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Anyone skate or had eyes on both the Welcome Evil Twins in 8.5 and 8.25?
I have the 8.5 and the shape is fantasticles but don't want to blind buy the 8.25 and have it be diff. I insta'd like a man, no response.
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
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Anyone skate or had eyes on both the Welcome Evil Twins in 8.5 and 8.25?
I have the 8.5 and the shape is fantasticles but don't want to blind buy the 8.25 and have it be diff. I insta'd like a man, no response.
I've had an 8.5 and a couple 8.0s, but I'm now on the 8.25 after a stint on a Santa Cruz twin. One thing's for sure, I'll be on the 8.25 for as long as they keep making them... I feel so at home on it. If you're looking for something just bit more trim than the 8.5 then absolutely go for the 8.25, it's the same shape with the same wheelbase. Fucking love that bloard.
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Anyone skate or had eyes on both the Welcome Evil Twins in 8.5 and 8.25?
I have the 8.5 and the shape is fantasticles but don't want to blind buy the 8.25 and have it be diff. I insta'd like a man, no response.
I've had an 8.5 and a couple 8.0s, but I'm now on the 8.25 after a stint on a Santa Cruz twin. One thing's for sure, I'll be on the 8.25 for as long as they keep making them... I feel so at home on it. If you're looking for something just bit more trim than the 8.5 then absolutely go for the 8.25, it's the same shape with the same wheelbase. Fucking love that bloard.
Thanks my dude! I love the kick shape, very Manderson-like (if the evil came in 8.3...man, I'd be set).
At some point some site had the 8.25wb listed as 14" so I wrote it off in favor of the 8.5.
Even the 8.5" feels trimmer than other 8.5" - does the 8.25" feel 'small' for an 8.25?
Which SC twin were you on?
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
You training for a high ollie contest?
In truth, I would love to try this on a 8.5 x 14.25 wb
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
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Seconded on the Habitat / AWS Twins, tried a twin from another woodshop and was disappointed. Squarish kicks that aren't boxy with the only downside being their length (32.25 tip to tip).
They used a mix of BBS and China for their twins, recent Suciu ones have been BBS. BBS ones feel snappier and more "alive" than the China ones which feel stiffer, but both lasted me a good long time (5-6 weeks).
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I wanna try this AWS board, but none of my trucks fit it
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Today I've found my first (weak) argument against twin tails after skating them for years...
If you crack one tail without noticing, then switch to that tail, expecting it to have great pop, then clip the flatbar, get your foot stuck under the rail while falling over it and getting completely fucked, that's not so great.
Stay safe guys, check your tails. Time for a new deck as soon as I can walk again :/
Just wanted to do a fs lipslide on a rather high rail, as I've done hundreds of times before, and the board didn't come up the way I expected. This could have been 100 times worse though, I think I just pulled a muscle.
Still twin tail for life of course
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I like the Quasi 8.38 quite a bit after a few sessions.
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I like the Quasi 8.38 quite a bit after a few sessions.
It's great, I've ridden a few, shame they are not true 8.3s anymore (they all measure under, like 8.25).
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I like the Quasi 8.38 quite a bit after a few sessions.
It's great, I've ridden a few, shame they are not true 8.3s anymore (they all measure under, like 8.25).
Mine‘s a true 8.38
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Thanks my dude! I love the kick shape, very Manderson-like (if the evil came in 8.3...man, I'd be set).
At some point some site had the 8.25wb listed as 14" so I wrote it off in favor of the 8.5.
Even the 8.5" feels trimmer than other 8.5" - does the 8.25" feel 'small' for an 8.25?
Which SC twin were you on?
I was on the McCoy 8.25 twin. Skated it longer than any other deck I've had in the past 3 years but it started to sound dull when I got through 3+ plys. The shape and the weird abrupt angle from flat to tail/nose just didn't do it for me, though.
I didn't subjectively notice any difference between the widths between the two, and I didn't feel like I needed to adjust or anything after I set up the Evil Twin. The evil twin just looks better to me when looking down at it during a session. Got another two on ice just so I don't run out between drops.
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Any one on here a fan of the G069 or G096 shapes? Interested due to the 14 in WB.
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
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Any one on here a fan of the G069 or G096 shapes? Interested due to the 14 in WB.
I’ve been skating the G069 8.25 for a few years now and love it. Best shape/ dimensions imo.
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
Yes.
32.25" long
7" Kicks
14.375" WB
It's a BEAST. I don't know (well we do know, he's amazing) Suciu does what he does on this thing.
I hated it, just too much bloard for me.
Still waiting on that Primitive twin tail 8.125"....
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Thanks my dude! I love the kick shape, very Manderson-like (if the evil came in 8.3...man, I'd be set).
At some point some site had the 8.25wb listed as 14" so I wrote it off in favor of the 8.5.
Even the 8.5" feels trimmer than other 8.5" - does the 8.25" feel 'small' for an 8.25?
Which SC twin were you on?
I was on the McCoy 8.25 twin. Skated it longer than any other deck I've had in the past 3 years but it started to sound dull when I got through 3+ plys. The shape and the weird abrupt angle from flat to tail/nose just didn't do it for me, though.
I didn't subjectively notice any difference between the widths between the two, and I didn't feel like I needed to adjust or anything after I set up the Evil Twin. The evil twin just looks better to me when looking down at it during a session. Got another two on ice just so I don't run out between drops.
SC board shapes are weird, but I like them for a week or so...yes, very abrupt kicks.
Looking down on the 8.5" evil is so nice, waiting on a Labor Day sale to nab the 8.25...tho that's gonna be tough, very few places carry it that run good sales.
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
I liked them enough to skate 5 in a row, the kicks are pretty round but not square. The length is the biggest turn off for most like Xen said, I'd pair them with a truck that pushes the wheels out a lot like a Thunder forged or Venture forged.
Going back to a 32" felt short after the Habitat / AWS twins.
Got news that the it's coming in a 8.25 and 8.5 in the same 32.25 x 14.38 dimensions later this year.
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
I liked them enough to skate 5 in a row, the kicks are pretty round but not square. The length is the biggest turn off for most like Xen said, I'd pair them with a truck that pushes the wheels out a lot like a Thunder forged or Venture forged.
Going back to a 32" felt short after the Habitat / AWS twins.
Got news that the it's coming in a 8.25 and 8.5 in the same 32.25 x 14.38 dimensions later this year.
thanks for the input (you too @Xen)
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Any one on here a fan of the G069 or G096 shapes? Interested due to the 14 in WB.
I've ridden (rode?) 3 of G096, and its the only twin I've really tried.
It literally made me a believer in twin tails w/in 5 min of skating it; the wheelbase is snug but I think its perfect. the board feels very "square", for lack of a better term, not so much the shape but the dimensions.
It does feel mellow all around, but once i got used to the mold it felt amazing. I notice considerable consistency when I ride those decks.
plus they're decently easy to stack with the seasonal crailtap deals (2 boards for 80$ or something like that)
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
I liked them enough to skate 5 in a row, the kicks are pretty round but not square. The length is the biggest turn off for most like Xen said, I'd pair them with a truck that pushes the wheels out a lot like a Thunder forged or Venture forged.
Going back to a 32" felt short after the Habitat / AWS twins.
Got news that the it's coming in a 8.25 and 8.5 in the same 32.25 x 14.38 dimensions later this year.
thanks for the input (you too @Xen)
Man, if that 8.25 came shorter - I'd be all in. Guess the Welcome will suffice! Anything 32"+ just feels too long and boaty for me.
As for the crail twin, I just can't do a 14" WB, I've tried repeatedly and I just can't get used to it; my stance is too wide. For whatever reason only the primitive 8.125/8.25s with the 14" WB work and that has to be due to the overall length and kick dimensions (tho it still feels just a tad small) + running thunders or ventures (something that did not work with non-twin crail boards.
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
I liked them enough to skate 5 in a row, the kicks are pretty round but not square. The length is the biggest turn off for most like Xen said, I'd pair them with a truck that pushes the wheels out a lot like a Thunder forged or Venture forged.
Going back to a 32" felt short after the Habitat / AWS twins.
Got news that the it's coming in a 8.25 and 8.5 in the same 32.25 x 14.38 dimensions later this year.
thanks for the input (you too @Xen)
Man, if that 8.25 came shorter - I'd be all in. Guess the Welcome will suffice! Anything 32"+ just feels too long and boaty for me.
As for the crail twin, I just can't do a 14" WB, I've tried repeatedly and I just can't get used to it; my stance is too wide. For whatever reason only the primitive 8.125/8.25s with the 14" WB work and that has to be due to the overall length and kick dimensions (tho it still feels just a tad small) + running thunders or ventures (something that did not work with non-twin crail boards.
honestly I'm surprised I enjoy 14"wb as much as I do, its so compact and easy to manipulate. i still fuck with the usual 14.25-14.5, but 14 is easy to remember ahaha
strange as i'm on the taller and slender side but shorter wb fit so good for some reason - I also loved the sub-14"wb on the crail couch/loveseat (13.85, i think?)
I ran indy's on each twin, not sure in which that affects wb
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i want a twin 7" nose board with the hockey shape.
Get the Habitat/AWS twin. Closest you'll get right now (except it's A) longer and B) long ass WB compared to FA/HKY). It's way more full/square than the images suggest.
https://www.alienworkshop.com/products/kaos-twin-8-375
7" kicks
(https://www.tactics.com/a/ec5i/2/habitat-mosaic-20-8375-twin-tail-skateboard-deck-top.webp)
has anyone skated one of these AWS twins? looks great on paper
I liked them enough to skate 5 in a row, the kicks are pretty round but not square. The length is the biggest turn off for most like Xen said, I'd pair them with a truck that pushes the wheels out a lot like a Thunder forged or Venture forged.
Going back to a 32" felt short after the Habitat / AWS twins.
Got news that the it's coming in a 8.25 and 8.5 in the same 32.25 x 14.38 dimensions later this year.
thanks for the input (you too @Xen)
Man, if that 8.25 came shorter - I'd be all in. Guess the Welcome will suffice! Anything 32"+ just feels too long and boaty for me.
As for the crail twin, I just can't do a 14" WB, I've tried repeatedly and I just can't get used to it; my stance is too wide. For whatever reason only the primitive 8.125/8.25s with the 14" WB work and that has to be due to the overall length and kick dimensions (tho it still feels just a tad small) + running thunders or ventures (something that did not work with non-twin crail boards.
strange as i'm on the taller and slender side but shorter wb fit so good for some reason - I also loved the sub-14"wb on the crail couch/loveseat (13.85, i think?)
I ran indy's on each twin, not sure in which that affects wb
Depends on the twin and kick length tbh, longer kicks with a short/14" WB I can handle as the kick length makes it feel longer...so a long WB, board and kicks, nope.
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Just received my santa cruz mccoy "transcend" vx twin and it's just so weird.
The "tails" are actually the same length and the nose is only 1° steeper which would be fine, BUT they have different fingers of flat. Way more on the nose. Just why.
Still happy to skate it, maybe just not in a really symmetric way. Only got it because it was 50% off, all good
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Just received my santa cruz mccoy "transcend" vx twin and it's just so weird.
The "tails" are actually the same length and the nose is only 1° steeper which would be fine, BUT they have different fingers of flat. Way more on the nose. Just why.
Still happy to skate it, maybe just not in a really symmetric way. Only got it because it was 50% off, all good
They've always been hit or miss; poor internal communication I think -waaaaaay back they were saying they were symmetrical boards when, in fact, only the kick degree was, not the shape (this was the first mcoy 'twin video') I fell for it and was turned off, but skated it anyway as a 'regular' board, because you could easily see the tail and nose were diff lengths (by 1/4" and shape-wise); that board had the best feel for pop shuvits tho.
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looks like real made an ishod with wheel wells, which would be sweet (i'm just assuming this is a twin, i can't find anything about it)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwTYXJGSfIW/?gshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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looks like real made an ishod with wheel wells, which would be sweet (i'm just assuming this is a twin, i can't find anything about it)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwTYXJGSfIW/?gshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I'd be stoked to try a twin with wheel wells but 'm positive that's not going to be the twin in this drop. The Real twins always have symmetrical graphics – as the ones in the last slide have. Those are gonna be the twins.
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looks like real made an ishod with wheel wells, which would be sweet (i'm just assuming this is a twin, i can't find anything about it)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwTYXJGSfIW/?gshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I'd be stoked to try a twin with wheel wells but 'm positive that's not going to be the twin in this drop. The Real twins always have symmetrical graphics – as the ones in the last slide have. Those are gonna be the twins.
you might be right, but i hope you're wrong! fwiw, there are some ishod twins w/o symmetrical graphics, like this one:
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/108_87781.jpg)
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looks like real made an ishod with wheel wells, which would be sweet (i'm just assuming this is a twin, i can't find anything about it)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwTYXJGSfIW/?gshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I'd be stoked to try a twin with wheel wells but 'm positive that's not going to be the twin in this drop. The Real twins always have symmetrical graphics – as the ones in the last slide have. Those are gonna be the twins.
you might be right, but i hope you're wrong! fwiw, there are some ishod twins w/o symmetrical graphics, like this one:
(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/108_87781.jpg)
Yeah, I realized I forgot about that series when I walked by my board rack. I use one of those as my cruiser atm. Definitely the exception to the rule though, and since every Real drop also has Shod popsicles, I'd be willing to bet the farm that the wheel well board isn't going to be a twin. Which is not to say I don't want it to be a twin, quite the opposite.
Graphics aside, I can't wait for this drop to hit the shops. I've been experimenting with different symmetrical shapes lately after going through my stack of 8.5 Ishod twins and nothing comes even close.
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Has anybody here rode both an Ishod Twin and the Neen Twin? Need some comparison. Found the Ishod a bit to mellow both on the concave and the kicks. Thanks in advance.
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Wondering if/when those Primitive twins are going to drop...
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Has anybody here rode both an Ishod Twin and the Neen Twin? Need some comparison. Found the Ishod a bit to mellow both on the concave and the kicks. Thanks in advance.
Yes, search this thread.
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Has anybody here rode both an Ishod Twin and the Neen Twin? Need some comparison. Found the Ishod a bit to mellow both on the concave and the kicks. Thanks in advance.
Yes both 8.5s. Neen is just as mellow if not mellower as the Ish. Main difference is the longer kicks on the Neen and, hence, longer board overall. I liked both shapes, had four Neens and two Ishods before sizing down to 8.38. Both are quite big boards, little taper, if that‘s your thing. You can flip them just fine but they are no tech decks. Hope that helps, I posted up the exact dims itt so you should be able to find them with a bit of digging.
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looks like real made an ishod with wheel wells, which would be sweet (i'm just assuming this is a twin, i can't find anything about it)
I'd be stoked to try a twin with wheel wells but 'm positive that's not going to be the twin in this drop. The Real twins always have symmetrical graphics – as the ones in the last slide have. Those are gonna be the twins.
you might be right, but i hope you're wrong! fwiw, there are some ishod twins w/o symmetrical graphics, like this one:
Yeah, I realized I forgot about that series when I walked by my board rack. I use one of those as my cruiser atm. Definitely the exception to the rule though, and since every Real drop also has Shod popsicles, I'd be willing to bet the farm that the wheel well board isn't going to be a twin. Which is not to say I don't want it to be a twin, quite the opposite.
Graphics aside, I can't wait for this drop to hit the shops. I've been experimenting with different symmetrical shapes lately after going through my stack of 8.5 Ishod twins and nothing comes even close.
The Real Comix series is the first frame of that Instagram post, with the Ishod being the longer standard 8.5 shape, that is the 8.5 x 32.2 or so with a 14.38 wb, so NOT the twin shape there.
As said, the last frame with the matchy graphics are the twins from that series.
The first one is here at Cal Sk8 and probably at a lot of other places soon enough, if you are interested.
https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-comix-8-5-deck
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looks like real made an ishod with wheel wells, which would be sweet (i'm just assuming this is a twin, i can't find anything about it)
I'd be stoked to try a twin with wheel wells but 'm positive that's not going to be the twin in this drop. The Real twins always have symmetrical graphics – as the ones in the last slide have. Those are gonna be the twins.
you might be right, but i hope you're wrong! fwiw, there are some ishod twins w/o symmetrical graphics, like this one:
Yeah, I realized I forgot about that series when I walked by my board rack. I use one of those as my cruiser atm. Definitely the exception to the rule though, and since every Real drop also has Shod popsicles, I'd be willing to bet the farm that the wheel well board isn't going to be a twin. Which is not to say I don't want it to be a twin, quite the opposite.
Graphics aside, I can't wait for this drop to hit the shops. I've been experimenting with different symmetrical shapes lately after going through my stack of 8.5 Ishod twins and nothing comes even close.
The Real Comix series is the first frame of that Instagram post, with the Ishod being the longer standard 8.5 shape, that is the 8.5 x 32.2 or so with a 14.38 wb, so NOT the twin shape there.
As said, the last frame with the matchy graphics are the twins from that series.
The first one is here at Cal Sk8 and probably at a lot of other places soon enough, if you are interested.
https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-comix-8-5-deck
Brimson coming through as always. Thanks a bunch for clarifying!
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The Real Comix series is the first frame of that Instagram post, with the Ishod being the longer standard 8.5 shape, that is the 8.5 x 32.2 or so with a 14.38 wb, so NOT the twin shape there.
As said, the last frame with the matchy graphics are the twins from that series.
The first one is here at Cal Sk8 and probably at a lot of other places soon enough, if you are interested.
https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-comix-8-5-deck
Brimson coming through as always. Thanks a bunch for clarifying!
Ha yeah, trying not to be too deep in anything DLX, but the releases this time are quite varied and cool looking graphics.
What I had meant to add is those twins in particular are actually quite an amazing graphic range, this lot being "Fowls" as in the birds that make up the head dress on the side profile of the person, which is reverse mirrored so on one it is the face that is coloured in and the rest around it is the ply stain coming through, then the other end is the face that is the ply stain and colour around it, which contrasts really nicely.
The basic picture of the deck is good, but I am not about to crop the shop pic, and you can see easily enough, more so from that Insta post, that all the others are as I said, but the 8.5 is a grey face / red face.
https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-fowls-8-5-twin-tip-deck
(https://calsk8.com/cdn/shop/files/fowls85_2048x2048.jpg)
(https://calsk8.com/cdn/shop/files/fowlsslick_edited-1_2048x2048.jpg)
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https://lbskate.com/products/long-beach-skate-co-alley-cat-8-25-twin-tail-skateboard-deck?currency=USD&variant=42479062778012&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwxaanBhBQEiwA84TVXCPR7bkoXS6GsRpJZEfQsBJHOrHZ7b5PUhkjF94RqcSsKsrdegvfqRoCJYIQAvD_BwE
Long Beach Skate Co. Alley Cat twin
(https://lbskate.com/cdn/shop/files/LBSAlleyCatTwinTailDeck.png?v=1683083719&width=900)
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coming back to this post to say my third G096 is coming in the mail today! might be my favorite shape ever.
has anyone who has ridden the G096 shape tried the Krooked 8.3" Bobby TT slick shape? thinking of switching it up after i burn through this G096 coming today. feel like the 14.4" WB would be too much of a step up from the 14" WB.
i ride 149's and 56 conical fulls for reference. cheers!
The 8.3" bobby is the same as the Ishod 8.3" if you've ever tried one of those. I purchased a Bobby one a few months back and it had the same Twin Tail sticker on it as the Ishod, but with Ishods name crossed out and Bobby written over it ;D
just saw this--thanks mate!
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https://lbskate.com/products/long-beach-skate-co-alley-cat-8-25-twin-tail-skateboard-deck?currency=USD&variant=42479062778012&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwxaanBhBQEiwA84TVXCPR7bkoXS6GsRpJZEfQsBJHOrHZ7b5PUhkjF94RqcSsKsrdegvfqRoCJYIQAvD_BwE
Long Beach Skate Co. Alley Cat twin
(https://lbskate.com/cdn/shop/files/LBSAlleyCatTwinTailDeck.png?v=1683083719&width=900)
Do you know what woodshop they use?
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https://lbskate.com/products/long-beach-skate-co-alley-cat-8-25-twin-tail-skateboard-deck?currency=USD&variant=42479062778012&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwxaanBhBQEiwA84TVXCPR7bkoXS6GsRpJZEfQsBJHOrHZ7b5PUhkjF94RqcSsKsrdegvfqRoCJYIQAvD_BwE
Long Beach Skate Co. Alley Cat twin
(https://lbskate.com/cdn/shop/files/LBSAlleyCatTwinTailDeck.png?v=1683083719&width=900)
Do you know what woodshop they use?
They have had BBS and Clutch in the past, so this could be one of those or something different. One of the same graphic egg looks like BBS top dot / dimple and the new BBS shape, but I don't see any other info for the regular or twin boards.
Also from the twin board info, it says this, which is twin nose and might be a touch long for some people:
7.125 Nose & Tail
14.25" Wheelbase
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Is Primitive actually going to sell twin tails? I need to know because I’m about to buy my on deck board soon. How pot smokers will buy some bud before their bud runs out, I buy a board when I set up a new board so I’m never out.
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Is Primitive actually going to sell twin tails? I need to know because I’m about to buy my on deck board soon. How pot smokers will buy some bud before their bud runs out, I buy a board when I set up a new board so I’m never out.
I wish they'd get off their asses about it if they are. I've DM'd them not a peep - also, my company's licensing manager has attempted to reach out multiple times, they apparently never respond (even to general inquiries about potential partnerships - knowing someone they've worked with, apparently they do the reaching out not the other way around); so we said fuck'em and went/signed with a different, well known board brand for our collab offerings.
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
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Finally found a g096 but it's backordered so I won't see it for a couple weeks. Still very stoked since i haven't ridden a symmetrical popsicle shape before and crailtap wood has been phenomenal for me
The last symmetrical deck I tried was a 9.25 heroin razor egg. I remember liking how it looked/felt but it was a bit steep for my skating at the time. I snapped it after a few shitty, tail-heavy landings about 4 sessions in so I didn't get the full heroin experience. I'm currently lurking for a symmetrical egg right now so I can have doubles of non directional boards. maybe I should get two more because triples is best. Triples is safe
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Is there a twin tail drought? I see fewer new boards coming out and stock is dwindling. What’s up?
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
They seem to come in waves. Most non-crail are BBS (DLX...well before china(?), welcome, quasi).
Crail:
https://www.tactics.com/girl/bennett-93-til-825-twin-tip-shape-skateboard-deck/cream-red-mdchen
There's still plenty of Welcome and dlx out there (CCS and smaller indy shops), just have to hunt around..this is why I buy two at a time! Still have a Foy and Quasi on ice.
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
They seem to come in waves. Most non-crail are BBS (DLX...well before china(?), welcome, quasi).
Crail:
https://www.tactics.com/girl/bennett-93-til-825-twin-tip-shape-skateboard-deck/cream-red-mdchen
There's still plenty of Welcome and dlx out there (CCS and smaller indy shops), just have to hunt around..this is why I buy two at a time! Still have a Foy and Quasi on ice.
Cool, I am looking for 8.38s in Europe predominantly so anyone who's got pointers hook me up pls.
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
They seem to come in waves. Most non-crail are BBS (DLX...well before china(?), welcome, quasi).
Crail:
https://www.tactics.com/girl/bennett-93-til-825-twin-tip-shape-skateboard-deck/cream-red-mdchen
There's still plenty of Welcome and dlx out there (CCS and smaller indy shops), just have to hunt around..this is why I buy two at a time! Still have a Foy and Quasi on ice.
Cool, I am looking for 8.38s in Europe predominantly so anyone who's got pointers hook me up pls.
2x 8.375 Quasi - so bummed I never landed a metal cat graphic
https://www.slamcity.com/search?q=twin&options%5Bprefix%5D=last
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
They seem to come in waves. Most non-crail are BBS (DLX...well before china(?), welcome, quasi).
Crail:
https://www.tactics.com/girl/bennett-93-til-825-twin-tip-shape-skateboard-deck/cream-red-mdchen
There's still plenty of Welcome and dlx out there (CCS and smaller indy shops), just have to hunt around..this is why I buy two at a time! Still have a Foy and Quasi on ice.
Cool, I am looking for 8.38s in Europe predominantly so anyone who's got pointers hook me up pls.
2x 8.375 Quasi - so bummed I never landed a metal cat graphic
https://www.slamcity.com/search?q=twin&options%5Bprefix%5D=last
Nice. Have a gnar. I am running a Quasi atm and quite like it, the basketball player / dog graphic. There‘s a shop in Germany who still has three of them in stock. I guess shipping from the UK might be more costly.
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
They seem to come in waves. Most non-crail are BBS (DLX...well before china(?), welcome, quasi).
Crail:
https://www.tactics.com/girl/bennett-93-til-825-twin-tip-shape-skateboard-deck/cream-red-mdchen
There's still plenty of Welcome and dlx out there (CCS and smaller indy shops), just have to hunt around..this is why I buy two at a time! Still have a Foy and Quasi on ice.
Cool, I am looking for 8.38s in Europe predominantly so anyone who's got pointers hook me up pls.
2x 8.375 Quasi - so bummed I never landed a metal cat graphic
https://www.slamcity.com/search?q=twin&options%5Bprefix%5D=last
Nice. Have a gnar. I am running a Quasi atm and quite like it, the basketball player / dog graphic. There‘s a shop in Germany who still has three of them in stock. I guess shipping from the UK might be more costly.
SkateDeluxe has G069, the big twin paddles makes it feel bigger than your average 8.25
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Looks like there’s no G069 shapes on the crailstore anymore and the Chris Roberts twin tip is sold out everywhere I looked. Really hope they didn’t discontinue this shape because I’ve been skating it exclusively for years and only have 1 left in the stash.
I doubt they took it off the production line, my local shop can't keep enough of them in stock and I'd gander this is their most popular shape. Probably clearing inventory for next seasons graphic.
They seem to come in waves. Most non-crail are BBS (DLX...well before china(?), welcome, quasi).
Crail:
https://www.tactics.com/girl/bennett-93-til-825-twin-tip-shape-skateboard-deck/cream-red-mdchen
There's still plenty of Welcome and dlx out there (CCS and smaller indy shops), just have to hunt around..this is why I buy two at a time! Still have a Foy and Quasi on ice.
Cool, I am looking for 8.38s in Europe predominantly so anyone who's got pointers hook me up pls.
2x 8.375 Quasi - so bummed I never landed a metal cat graphic
https://www.slamcity.com/search?q=twin&options%5Bprefix%5D=last
Nice. Have a gnar. I am running a Quasi atm and quite like it, the basketball player / dog graphic. There‘s a shop in Germany who still has three of them in stock. I guess shipping from the UK might be more costly.
Cheers, sounds interesting.
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Any of y'all ever skated the Welcome 8.75?
My usual go-to is the 8.5 Ishod, but there's still no sign of the new Real drop here in the EU and I'm starting to run short on decks, so I'm tempted to give this one a try. Mainly because it's available to me, but also because I'd like to try an even bigger twin. Going smaller isn't a viable option for me at the moment.
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Any of y'all ever skated the Welcome 8.75?
My usual go-to is the 8.5 Ishod, but there's still no sign of the new Real drop here in the EU and I'm starting to run short on decks, so I'm tempted to give this one a try. Mainly because it's available to me, but also because I'd like to try an even bigger twin. Going smaller isn't a viable option for me at the moment.
Bro you know that skatedeluxe makes their own 8.5 twins, right?
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Any of y'all ever skated the Welcome 8.75?
My usual go-to is the 8.5 Ishod, but there's still no sign of the new Real drop here in the EU and I'm starting to run short on decks, so I'm tempted to give this one a try. Mainly because it's available to me, but also because I'd like to try an even bigger twin. Going smaller isn't a viable option for me at the moment.
Bro you know that skatedeluxe makes their own 8.5 twins, right?
Yeah, unfortunately I can't warm up to them. I know some people around here who have them and rode around on them on different occasions, whatever woodshop they use just doesn't work well for me. Plus I have to admit I'm not too keen on riding a Skatedeluxe branded board. Not that I like Welcome very much, but at least they use BBS. Ugh, the headaches that come with one's arbitrarily set preferences and constraints... Thanks anyway for the tip, though!
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Any of y'all ever skated the Welcome 8.75?
Nah, but I've got an old 8.5 in the quiver. Looking at the dims for the 8.75... I can't say 'it'll be just like the 8.5 but wider' because they've added length to the deck and WB. Sorry dude, you'll have to be the guinea pig.
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Did a search for Twin shapes on Tactics (dont need any boards right now so didnt pull the trigger.)
I found what I think would be my personal favorite Twin Kick shape and its from Welcome:
https://www.tactics.com/welcome/lil-owl-85-evil-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/dusk
CENTER WIDTH (IN): 8.5
LENGTH (IN): 31.95
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.25
NOSE (IN): 6.81
TAIL (IN): 6.81
I personally really like a 14.25" wb and this seems to be the only board for sale currently offered in that wb so that is basically what narrowed down the winner for me. But I also really like that length of kick at 6.81, i think it would be pretty manageable for a tail while still giving you a good nose slide. I would consider this in the "Twin Hybrid" range.
There are two Alien Workshop Twin Kick boards I saw that I liked. Both are at 8.375"w x 14.375" wb which is ok for me. One of them is a BEAST with 7" monster kicks. Definitely what I would call a true Twin Nose. I kinda feel like that is a bit too wild. the Mosaic 20 year anniversary board has 6.875" kicks which sounds pretty damn awesome to me, and I would put that in the Twin Hybrid category as well.
I don't think I would fuck with any of the Girl Twins because they are all 14" wb which is just way too small for me. I do like the other dimensions on the boards - they offer a board with 6.84" kicks which sounds great. (clearly I like the sound of hybrid length kick)
The Ishod ones are puzzling to me... They are varying kicks but all very small, 6.55" on the 8" x 14.3"wb (weird...), 6.72" on the 8.5" x 14.5"wb (too long for me). I dont think I would like this board.
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next step would be no tail no nose.Like plank of wood and the loop would be closed.
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Any one on here a fan of the G069 or G096 shapes? Interested due to the 14 in WB.
I bought two(G069/8.25) and love the shape. Can't skate a WB higher than 14.1. Then it starts to feel heavy on the pop. But I can't seem to find them in the wild. I skate them just like a regular board. Nose is not as steep as a G027/G052, what I regularly buy, so my nollie/switch stuff hits the ground sooner.
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I didn't realize the G096 had a 14in WB, I may pass on it as I don't go lower than 14.25 since I'm on Indys. Don't feel like trying Venture or Thunder with them, but we'll see
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Lucked out and found a shop that had just got 2 Ishod 8.5s from the Fall drop, so I won't need to give the Welcome twin a shot for at least a few months. Crisis averted!
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Lucked out and found a shop that had just got 2 Ishod 8.5s from the Fall drop, so I won't need to give the Welcome twin a shot for at least a few months. Crisis averted!
The Welcome 8.5 evil twin is *chefs kiss* tho. ;)
I didn't realize the G096 had a 14in WB, I may pass on it as I don't go lower than 14.25 since I'm on Indys. Don't feel like trying Venture or Thunder with them, but we'll see
Only thing keeping me from trying the G069 - I just can't do a 14" WB (I've tried and tried); 14.25 minimum these days. However, the kick length might negate the short WB from an overall boardfeel pov, much like Primitive boards do....just tired of $pending on gear that doesn't work out.
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Lucked out and found a shop that had just got 2 Ishod 8.5s from the Fall drop, so I won't need to give the Welcome twin a shot for at least a few months. Crisis averted!
The Welcome 8.5 evil twin is *chefs kiss* tho. ;)
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I didn't realize the G096 had a 14in WB, I may pass on it as I don't go lower than 14.25 since I'm on Indys. Don't feel like trying Venture or Thunder with them, but we'll see
Only thing keeping me from trying the G069 - I just can't do a 14" WB (I've tried and tried); 14.25 minimum these days. However, the kick length might negate the short WB from an overall boardfeel pov, much like Primitive boards do....just tired of $pending on gear that doesn't work out.
I wouldn't force it. The WB was the most notable part of the G096 for me, and while I thought it kicked ass, I would advise against trying to make it work if >/= 14.25 is your comfort zone.
Maybe worth trying if you get one for cheap, but those shapes seem to go pretty fast and I don't see em on sale too often
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Lucked out and found a shop that had just got 2 Ishod 8.5s from the Fall drop, so I won't need to give the Welcome twin a shot for at least a few months. Crisis averted!
The Welcome 8.5 evil twin is *chefs kiss* tho. ;)
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I didn't realize the G096 had a 14in WB, I may pass on it as I don't go lower than 14.25 since I'm on Indys. Don't feel like trying Venture or Thunder with them, but we'll see
Only thing keeping me from trying the G069 - I just can't do a 14" WB (I've tried and tried); 14.25 minimum these days. However, the kick length might negate the short WB from an overall boardfeel pov, much like Primitive boards do....just tired of $pending on gear that doesn't work out.
I wouldn't force it. The WB was the most notable part of the G096 for me, and while I thought it kicked ass, I would advise against trying to make it work if >/= 14.25 is your comfort zone.
Maybe worth trying if you get one for cheap, but those shapes seem to go pretty fast and I don't see em on sale too often
I'm about 5'10" and have longer legs than a torso. I tried the Couch Shape at 13.75" and that thing was too squirrelly on my Indys. I can see the 14" WB working well with all the spin tricks I like to do, but the lack of stability that comes with it doesn't sound appealing enough for my liking. If I tried my untouched Thunder/Ventures on it, I might sing a different tune, however. I don't know if I wanna stray from Indy.
I skated a ton (at least 23 decks I can think of) of Primitive 8.5 models over the years (primarily 2017-2020) and they always felt like they were 14.25 or 14.5. Those never felt short WB-wise to me like Crail boards have.
We'll see. I may have to try it under feet in store or hope to try someone else's board who has that exact shape to see how it feels before committing to it
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Honestly I have tried short decks and Thunder/Venture and skated up to 14.5 on Thunders and even that felt better to than than on a 14. I could prob skate Venture Forged on a 14" that has long kicks, but in the end I still am not sure what I would really be gaining and I'd have to find a deck close to 31.9 to not feel insanely short.
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Honestly I have tried short decks and Thunder/Venture and skated up to 14.5 on Thunders and even that felt better to than than on a 14. I could prob skate Venture Forged on a 14" that has long kicks, but in the end I still am not sure what I would really be gaining and I'd have to find a deck close to 31.9 to not feel insanely short.
I've tried pushing WB with Thunders/Ventures/Etc., it doesn't work as well as I (we) think it would; 14" is just too small for me to work with.
I can, however, feel a larger difference with indy vs Vent on a 14.3" WB tho.
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givin it a shot
(https://i.imgur.com/OXRKT8g.jpg)
AWS Twin 8.375
Indy 149ti (w/cast hollow baseplate, indy aftermarket conical bushings, riptide pivots)
SF F4 53mm Radial 99a
Swiss
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(https://i.imgur.com/OXRKT8g.jpg)
AWS Twin 8.375
Indy 149ti (w/cast hollow baseplate, indy aftermarket conical bushings, riptide pivots)
SF F4 53mm Radial 99a
Swiss
Looks super nice, I need to seek this one but can't find any in Europe.
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AWS Twin 8.375
Indy 149ti (w/cast hollow baseplate, indy aftermarket conical bushings, riptide pivots)
SF F4 53mm Radial 99a
Swiss
@LebowskisRug was right, this thing was WAY too much of a BEAST. it felt sooo long and at times, I'd think I was stepping off the board, only to be stepping back on it. left it at the local park after a couple sessions on it.
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https://www.skatewarehouse.com/search-skate.html?start=0&count=30&searchtext=twin
GO69/96s in stock
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https://www.skatewarehouse.com/search-skate.html?start=0&count=30&searchtext=twin
GO69s in stock
GO96 too! That Howard with the moped mouse is rad
Local shop said they were getting crail's drop today or tomorrow. Crossing fingers this one comes in!
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https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Some chocolates (~sub 60$)
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8.75" Ishod twin tail on the way in the new year. Looks to have an 8 5/8" wheelbase.
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8.75" Ishod twin tail on the way in the new year. Looks to have an 8 5/8" wheelbase.
I probably shouldn't be as excited about a new shape as I am right now, but damn, you just made my whole week.
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8.75" Ishod twin tail on the way in the new year. Looks to have an 8 5/8" wheelbase.
DLX please make true fit twin tails.
8.25-8.75 twin with a 14.25 wb or something.
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8.75" Ishod twin tail on the way in the new year. Looks to have an 8 5/8" wheelbase.
Damn that sounds really sick...
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8.75" Ishod twin tail on the way in the new year. Looks to have an 8 5/8" wheelbase.
8.25-8.75 twin with a 14.25 wb or something.
This.
Every twin 14.33 and above...wtf.
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https://www.skatewarehouse.com/search-skate.html?start=0&count=30&searchtext=twin
GO69/96s in stock
The description doesn't match the title size/ shape.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Bennett_93_Til_Twin_Tip_Deck/descpage-GINBTTDK.html
So be careful when ordering as there are two shapes for the same deck listed on the crailtap site,
https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w46-d1-girl-bennett-93-til-deck/#filter:shape=g069
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You know what sucks?
There are no twins that are a true 8.3x with a 14.25" WB. Splitting hairs I know.
That quasi is really 8.25" width on the last two I've ridden.
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Speaking of:
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/lowercase-8-375
Digging this one.
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Speaking of:
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/lowercase-8-375
Digging this one.
Been curious on this one. How long are the tails?
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https://quasiskateboards.com/products/lowercase-8-375
Digging this one.
Been curious on this one. How long are the tails?
Roughly 6.625"
Bit on the short side compared to other twins but I hate big ass 7” noses., especially shovels.
Just know it actually measures under 8.3, more like 8.25 and a hair…so it feels like an 8.25; still my fav twin.
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
I also wonder. 14.25 is my happy place as far as wb goes. It’s crazy to me the lack of 8.5” twin shapes with that wb.
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
I also wonder. 14.25 is my happy place as far as wb goes. It’s crazy to me the lack of 8.5” twin shapes with that wb.
Could be the fad is over (based on sales); it's also keen to note that all twins outside of crail's offerings come from BBS...and who knows what gets priority of board cos these days.
if you want a 14.3WB hit the habitat/AWS twins.
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
I also wonder. 14.25 is my happy place as far as wb goes. It’s crazy to me the lack of 8.5” twin shapes with that wb.
Could be the fad is over (based on sales); it's also keen to note that all twins outside of crail's offerings come from BBS...and who knows what gets priority of board cos these days.
if you want a 14.3WB hit the habitat/AWS twins.
I would argue that the fad is far from over. Shops in my area were limiting the Foy twin tail to only 1 per customer when they had them in stock, and no one seems to be able to keep them.
I know deathwish recently stated they needed to make a new twin graphic for him, but who knows how long that will take, probably a season or two.
Also, the last season of deathwish boards had at least a few decks priced at $82 each. I’m a supporter of boards costing more than $50, but over $80 for a pro model deck seems totally fucked. $70ish seems fair for boards that were $50 two years ago. Are companies just testing the waters to see what they can get away with?
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
Just set this Welcome one up for spooky season. They have an intruder one at Zumiez online, and the official site still has some.
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Twin tails don't take priority over regs pro or team boards. They're niche a market, globally, compare to what the average pro or skater rides.
And the handful that make it out to the public is probably a really small run compared to the boxes that worrest/foy/ishod get (I'd be suprised of Crail send boxes upon boxes of theirs to crob and smalltoe.
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Here’s the Welcome deck I was talking about: https://www.zumiez.com/welcome-intruder-evil-twin-8-5-skateboard-deck.html
It’s on sale for $59. Yeah Zumiez sucks, but it’s a great shape with a 14.25 wheelbase (like the green one above).
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I think it’s here to stay. Lots of pros are skating them. As long as Ishod is pro there will be at least one twin tail on the market.
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Here’s the Welcome deck I was talking about: https://www.zumiez.com/welcome-intruder-evil-twin-8-5-skateboard-deck.html
It’s on sale for $59. Yeah Zumiez sucks, but it’s a great shape with a 14.25 wheelbase (like the green one above).
If they made that shape in 8.3 I’d be in heaven.
Lately 8.5s feel too big (papa bear) and 8.25 feel too small (baby bear).
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Speaking of:
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/lowercase-8-375
Digging this one.
Yoo thank you for this. I thought Quasi didn't make this shape this drop. But guess my shop never ordered this one.
This shape is so money. I fucking hate 7 in noses. Twin tails are the only boards with shorter, pointier noses and sub 32" length. I don't even skate my board symmetrically. I just really need that short nose and 31.x length
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Here’s the Welcome deck I was talking about: https://www.zumiez.com/welcome-intruder-evil-twin-8-5-skateboard-deck.html
It’s on sale for $59. Yeah Zumiez sucks, but it’s a great shape with a 14.25 wheelbase (like the green one above).
If they made that shape in 8.3 I’d be in heaven.
Lately 8.5s feel too big (papa bear) and 8.25 feel too small (baby bear).
Makes sense. It's a shovel nose so it's almost like an FA with two fat noses. Took a second to get used to it again.
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Speaking of:
https://quasiskateboards.com/products/lowercase-8-375
Digging this one.
Yoo thank you for this. I thought Quasi didn't make this shape this drop. But guess my shop never ordered this one.
This shape is so money. I fucking hate 7 in noses. Twin tails are the only boards with shorter, pointier noses and sub 32" length. I don't even skate my board symmetrically. I just really need that short nose and 31.x length
Pretty much the same reason I like twin tails; massive noses don't need 'em or like the way they look...setting up a non-twin now and it's 6.9 nose...(not honking square shovel tho).
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They're probably holding off order till closer to holiday season, next drop should be happening November just in time for Xmas shopping.
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
I also wonder. 14.25 is my happy place as far as wb goes. It’s crazy to me the lack of 8.5” twin shapes with that wb.
Could be the fad is over (based on sales); it's also keen to note that all twins outside of crail's offerings come from BBS...and who knows what gets priority of board cos these days.
if you want a 14.3WB hit the habitat/AWS twins.
That's the last thing I wanted to hear. I've dreaded the idea that this is just a fad because I've always wanted to skate symmetrical boards, mostly because I ride my trucks the same tightness and I absolutely loathe having to rotate my trucks and wheels with every deck. And I really like not having to worry about front/back and twins are really nice once you get used to them.
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Where are all the Deathwish and Welcome twins? Low stock? I'm pondering going up from 14.25 to 14.33 WB since the Real twins seem to be available pretty reliably.
I also wonder. 14.25 is my happy place as far as wb goes. It’s crazy to me the lack of 8.5” twin shapes with that wb.
Could be the fad is over (based on sales); it's also keen to note that all twins outside of crail's offerings come from BBS...and who knows what gets priority of board cos these days.
if you want a 14.3WB hit the habitat/AWS twins.
I would argue that the fad is far from over. Shops in my area were limiting the Foy twin tail to only 1 per customer when they had them in stock, and no one seems to be able to keep them.
I know deathwish recently stated they needed to make a new twin graphic for him, but who knows how long that will take, probably a season or two.
Also, the last season of deathwish boards had at least a few decks priced at $82 each. I’m a supporter of boards costing more than $50, but over $80 for a pro model deck seems totally fucked. $70ish seems fair for boards that were $50 two years ago. Are companies just testing the waters to see what they can get away with?
Let's hope this is true. I pray to god(s) this is not a trend.
Here’s the Welcome deck I was talking about: https://www.zumiez.com/welcome-intruder-evil-twin-8-5-skateboard-deck.html
It’s on sale for $59. Yeah Zumiez sucks, but it’s a great shape with a 14.25 wheelbase (like the green one above).
Thanks for the heads up. I picked up a few even though it's Zumiez.
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Deathwish
DLX (Real/Krooked? AntiHero: wonder if they'll do the twin shapes eventually?)
Crail (Girl & Chlcolate)
AWS
Welcome
Primitive (twins are coming if not already out: PRod lightly confirmed this in a video on his YT channel about the shale he switched to riding about a year ago)
All of these brands are doing twins, and I expect more brands will do twins in the near future as their riders explore samples/try them out.
I don't believe it's a fad, but I do expect there to be slower seasons than others for moving twin shapes. Maybe brands for FA 23 and HO23 are alternating to what sells more for Christmas/holiday customers instead of a slightly niche market of twins. I'm fingers crossed for y'all that it's just an alternating season where they didn't stock/book as many like they previously have
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Deathwish
DLX (Real/Krooked? AntiHero: wonder if they'll do the twin shapes eventually?)
Crail (Girl & Chlcolate)
AWS
Welcome
Primitive (twins are coming if not already out: PRod lightly confirmed this in a video on his YT channel about the shale he switched to riding about a year ago)
All of these brands are doing twins, and I expect more brands will do twins in the near future as their riders explore samples/try them out.
I don't believe it's a fad, but I do expect there to be slower seasons than others for moving twin shapes. Maybe brands for FA 23 and HO23 are alternating to what sells more for Christmas/holiday customers instead of a slightly niche market of twins. I'm fingers crossed for y'all that it's just an alternating season where they didn't stock/book as many like they previously have
303 and Skate Deluxe has a selection of twin shop decks.
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Deathwish
DLX (Real/Krooked? AntiHero: wonder if they'll do the twin shapes eventually?)
Crail (Girl & Chlcolate)
AWS
Welcome
Primitive (twins are coming if not already out: PRod lightly confirmed this in a video on his YT channel about the shale he switched to riding about a year ago)
All of these brands are doing twins, and I expect more brands will do twins in the near future as their riders explore samples/try them out.
I don't believe it's a fad, but I do expect there to be slower seasons than others for moving twin shapes. Maybe brands for FA 23 and HO23 are alternating to what sells more for Christmas/holiday customers instead of a slightly niche market of twins. I'm fingers crossed for y'all that it's just an alternating season where they didn't stock/book as many like they previously have
303 and Skate Deluxe has a selection of twin shop decks.
I've been skating the sk8dlx deck for a month now and I gotta say it's holding up really good.
It felt a bit less poppy than a bbs deck from the start, but it stayed the same for such a long time. Currently best twin tail in terms of money.
Ishod twin costs 90€, sk8dlx costs 55€ and it's the same shape.
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I don't think twin boards are going on of style anytime soon. We have people come in the shop who are only looking for twin tails. I think aside from the symmetry, the shape of the board suits a lot of people skating.
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All the brands already doing twin shapes (Crail, Deathwish, AWS, Habitat, Welcome) have made it part of their standard lineup. Suciu skates his pro model twin and logo graphic twins regular in his Insta stories which gives me confidence Habitat will keep producing his shape for the foreseeable future.
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Crosspost from the Set-Up Thread
(https://i.ibb.co/FJmJcb9/PXL-20231008-063526389.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJmJcb9) (https://i.ibb.co/xgWygXf/PXL-20231008-063511423.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xgWygXf) (https://i.ibb.co/zHvHwH3/PXL-20231008-063434611-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zHvHwH3)
Skatesamples 9.1 symmetrical egg (gfb shape)
-14.375 WB, 31.875 long, ~6.7 nose/tail
Ace AF1 matte black hangers from jts chop shop
-60s fit flush on this deck
AF1 polished baseplates
-hard bushings with flat bones washer on top
&& nano cubes
-52s
Ace hollows
-1 inch
Pepper galaxy grip
Powell rib bones
Mini logo bearings
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This waiting for the primitive twin is annoying. I love the Ishod 8.3 but after I recently folded my right ankle switch heels are hard and I can’t do Bs tail shuvs anymore. Feeling like a smaller setup can get me back.
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Girl Kennedy 93 Till Twin POP SECRET Deck:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Kennedy_93_Till_Twin_POP_SECRET_Deck/descpage-GIKPSDK.html
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Girl Kennedy 93 Till Twin POP SECRET Deck:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Kennedy_93_Till_Twin_POP_SECRET_Deck/descpage-GIKPSDK.html
Cool find, I'm a sucker for gimmicky tech stuff put into decks but Crail's signature stiffness coupled with the fiber inlays sounds like a recipe for punishment.
I'd still buy 1 to try.
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Missed the last Quasi twin in Switzerland and now the only 8.3 option in Europe available seems to be the Ishod/Worrest, which I am not fond of. Any word on the streets if any 8.3 twins are hitting the shops soon or do I need to make concessions, size up/down or even go back to regular decks?
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Missed the last Quasi twin in Switzerland and now the only 8.3 option in Europe available seems to be the Ishod/Worrest, which I am not fond of. Any word on the streets if any 8.3 twins are hitting the shops soon or do I need to make concessions, size up/down or even go back to regular decks?
New Habitat twins in 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 should be shipping out to shops in the next few weeks if you can handle 32.25" decks
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Missed the last Quasi twin in Switzerland and now the only 8.3 option in Europe available seems to be the Ishod/Worrest, which I am not fond of. Any word on the streets if any 8.3 twins are hitting the shops soon or do I need to make concessions, size up/down or even go back to regular decks?
New Habitat twins in 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 should be shipping out to shops in the next few weeks if you can handle 32.25" decks
Funny you say that, as other people had been asking about different sizes of twins not too long ago and I didn't really have anything new to add, besides what I had already seen and heard, eg DLX / Ishods twins, Deathwish or similar boards, etc.
If they are all the Alien / Habitat squared off shapes, then it opens up the market a bit too, so others who don't like the DLX twin shapes can have something different.
Longer boards, medium wheelbases, long kicks??
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Missed the last Quasi twin in Switzerland and now the only 8.3 option in Europe available seems to be the Ishod/Worrest, which I am not fond of. Any word on the streets if any 8.3 twins are hitting the shops soon or do I need to make concessions, size up/down or even go back to regular decks?
New Habitat twins in 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5 should be shipping out to shops in the next few weeks if you can handle 32.25" decks
Funny you say that, as other people had been asking about different sizes of twins not too long ago and I didn't really have anything new to add, besides what I had already seen and heard, eg DLX / Ishods twins, Deathwish or similar boards, etc.
If they are all the Alien / Habitat squared off shapes, then it opens up the market a bit too, so others who don't like the DLX twin shapes can have something different.
Longer boards, medium wheelbases, long kicks??
Cheers lads, I’m open for new shapes.
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In case y'all didn't see-
Girl/Chocolate 8" twin coming soon.
https://www.youtube.com/live/4NXEOALGo4Y?si=A3E6VDZyhdY7WVzA
@27:25
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I've never skated a twin tail - I'm so used to the nose being bigger than the tail. For those of you that made the switch to a twin tail, what was it like? I looked back a few pages for some opinions but didn't see anything.
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I've never skated a twin tail - I'm so used to the nose being bigger than the tail. For those of you that made the switch to a twin tail, what was it like? I looked back a few pages for some opinions but didn't see anything.
I think it’s important to see them in person to make sure the kicks are to your liking. Some are sort of dual nose, some are sort of dual tail. I really like the real Ishod twin 8.5s, the kicks are pretty full but not totally square and that’s been really comfortable for me.
After a session or two you just completely stop thinking about it which is really cool. Just put your board down and go. I could see if you have really a strong nollie/switch game it could be more of an adjustment since your trick set ups will change a bit, but it’s worth trying imo
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I've never skated a twin tail - I'm so used to the nose being bigger than the tail. For those of you that made the switch to a twin tail, what was it like? I looked back a few pages for some opinions but didn't see anything.
I think it’s important to see them in person to make sure the kicks are to your liking. Some are sort of dual nose, some are sort of dual tail. I really like the real Ishod twin 8.5s, the kicks are pretty full but not totally square and that’s been really comfortable for me.
After a session or two you just completely stop thinking about it which is really cool. Just put your board down and go. I could see if you have really a strong nollie/switch game it could be more of an adjustment since your trick set ups will change a bit, but it’s worth trying imo
Hell yeah Bart, thanks for the info
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(https://i.ibb.co/pnRCQcc/IMG-5334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pnRCQcc)
(https://i.ibb.co/7SDC0jr/IMG-5335.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7SDC0jr)
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/100-biodegradable-8-25
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(https://i.ibb.co/pnRCQcc/IMG-5334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pnRCQcc)
(https://i.ibb.co/7SDC0jr/IMG-5335.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7SDC0jr)
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/100-biodegradable-8-25
What the hell are these truck size recommendations. Makes no sense at all.
This 8.25 deck fits 8.5 thunder but 8.0 ventures
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https://habitatskateboards.com/products/100-biodegradable-8-25
This 8.25 deck fits 8.5 thunder but 8.0 ventures
I think someone got their truck sizes confused / mixed up. Happens to anyone easily enough.
Indy 144 / Venture 5.6 / Thunder 148 / Ace AF1 44 seems about right for 8.25 boards, but people could ride 149s / 5.8 / 55s on them too.
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I've never skated a twin tail - I'm so used to the nose being bigger than the tail. For those of you that made the switch to a twin tail, what was it like? I looked back a few pages for some opinions but didn't see anything.
I think it’s important to see them in person to make sure the kicks are to your liking. Some are sort of dual nose, some are sort of dual tail. I really like the real Ishod twin 8.5s, the kicks are pretty full but not totally square and that’s been really comfortable for me.
After a session or two you just completely stop thinking about it which is really cool. Just put your board down and go. I could see if you have really a strong nollie/switch game it could be more of an adjustment since your trick set ups will change a bit, but it’s worth trying imo
Like @BartHarleyJarvis said, it depends if you like a twin tail (DLX, shorter kicks) or twin nose (Habitat / Crail, longer kicks), it took time to get the truck tightness even for both but I appreciate not having to check which is my nose and tail anymore before throwing down.
Some other side effects:
- changing up your colored bolts game - I used to do 2 colored bolts, not all black
- changing up your griptape game - ideally I want plain black but I've got a few sheets of grip with cutouts which was distracting for a bit
- having to stock up on a shape you like - you're committed to 1 shape so finding an equivalent is tough
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Welcome’s new lineup for this season has no evil twins. On their IG they said there will be none this season.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they stay gone. All of their shapes are basically popsicle and egg now.
So if you have one, don’t get too attached to that shape!
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Welcome’s new lineup for this season has no evil twins. On their IG they said there will be none this season.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they stay gone. All of their shapes are basically popsicle and egg now.
So if you have one, don’t get too attached to that shape!
DW Neen and Foy drops seemingly the same (only old stock out there).
Guess we'll all be riding Crail, DLX, SC or Hab/AWS eventually. I've been on non-twins for a bit, but might have to jump back to DLX for some Worrest twins (better graphics than Ishods).
I've said it earlier in this thread, but TT are not as popular as people think and for sure get lower priority when it comes to production runs...no matter what *YOUR* shop sells through...it's not the only shop...
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Welcome’s new lineup for this season has no evil twins. On their IG they said there will be none this season.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they stay gone. All of their shapes are basically popsicle and egg now.
So if you have one, don’t get too attached to that shape!
DW Neen and Foy drops seemingly the same (only old stock out there).
Guess we'll all be riding Crail, DLX, SC or Hab/AWS eventually. I've been on non-twins for a bit, but might have to jump back to DLX for some Worrest twins (better graphics than Ishods).
I've said it earlier in this thread, but TT are not as popular as people think and for sure get lower priority when it comes to production runs...no matter what *YOUR* shop sells through...it's not the only shop...
yeah the bobby makes me want to try the 8.38 one
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Welcome’s new lineup for this season has no evil twins. On their IG they said there will be none this season.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they stay gone. All of their shapes are basically popsicle and egg now.
So if you have one, don’t get too attached to that shape!
This legitimately gave me the fear, so I asked them if Evil Twins will be coming back in future drops and they replied that they will return "later next year". Fuck knows what that actually means, but they will be returning.
Got one left on ice, and will have to get at least 3 more to see me through.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-AXn-Noutk&t=302s
Started watching this and how he's skating the board, he doesn't turn it around (one time I think?) Unless he doesn't care about tricks on/off the nose or tail, he's skating it like a twin.
Still a goat/killing it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-AXn-Noutk&t=302s
Started watching this and how he's skating the board, he doesn't turn it around (one time I think?) Unless he doesn't care about tricks on/off the nose or tail, he's skating it like a twin.
Still a goat/killing it.
Haven’t watched the video, but he has been skating a twin shape in some of the other videos. Not sure when primitive will actually make it available for the masses though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-AXn-Noutk&t=302s
Started watching this and how he's skating the board, he doesn't turn it around (one time I think?) Unless he doesn't care about tricks on/off the nose or tail, he's skating it like a twin.
Still a goat/killing it.
Haven’t watched the video, but he has been skating a twin shape in some of the other videos. Not sure when primitive will actually make it available for the masses though.
He's been on twin noses for a while
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-AXn-Noutk&t=302s
Started watching this and how he's skating the board, he doesn't turn it around (one time I think?) Unless he doesn't care about tricks on/off the nose or tail, he's skating it like a twin.
Still a goat/killing it.
Haven’t watched the video, but he has been skating a twin shape in some of the other videos. Not sure when primitive will actually make it available for the masses though.
Wish they'd release them!
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I really need a deck, my Quasi is disintegrating. Would hate to cop another Ishod/Worrest tho, wasn't a fan. I debate getting a "regular" bloard with more or less equal nose and tail.
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I really need a deck, my Quasi is disintegrating. Would hate to cop another Ishod/Worrest tho, wasn't a fan. I debate getting a "regular" bloard with more or less equal nose and tail.
I tried going back and want to jump back to twins; the thing that messes with me the most is the difference in kicks; I'm on a planb now and the nose is so much steeper, it feels super weird just doing shuvs to orientate the board.
Eyeing some non-twin santa cruz options, the stump shapes, as they use a mold with symmetrical kicks - degree of kick, not shape; they are also less steep than their twins...man if they made a 'stump twin' I'd be all in.
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I really need a deck, my Quasi is disintegrating. Would hate to cop another Ishod/Worrest tho, wasn't a fan. I debate getting a "regular" bloard with more or less equal nose and tail.
I tried going back and want to jump back to twins; the thing that messes with me the most is the difference in kicks; I'm on a planb now and the nose is so much steeper, it feels super weird just doing shuvs to orientate the board.
Eyeing some non-twin santa cruz options, the stump shapes, as they use a mold with symmetrical kicks - degree of kick, not shape; they are also less steep than their twins...man if they made a 'stump twin' I'd be all in.
I literally looked today to see if they are making stump twins yet. The stumps have a damn good shape, they’d rule as a twin.
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Brehs I found a source. German outfit.
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply (https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply)
Just ordered a 8.38 twin blank.
Will report back.
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Brehs I found a source. German outfit.
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply (https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply)
Just ordered a 8.38 twin blank.
Will report back.
Sounds like DSM.
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Brehs I found a source. German outfit.
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply (https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply)
Just ordered a 8.38 twin blank.
Will report back.
Those are the twins skatedeluxe sells, and my local shop does as well. Just set up the 8.38, been riding the 8.25 for 2 months and it was great. I just wish the tails were a bit steeper. They're 19°.
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I really need a deck, my Quasi is disintegrating. Would hate to cop another Ishod/Worrest tho, wasn't a fan. I debate getting a "regular" bloard with more or less equal nose and tail.
I tried going back and want to jump back to twins; the thing that messes with me the most is the difference in kicks; I'm on a planb now and the nose is so much steeper, it feels super weird just doing shuvs to orientate the board.
Eyeing some non-twin santa cruz options, the stump shapes, as they use a mold with symmetrical kicks - degree of kick, not shape; they are also less steep than their twins...man if they made a 'stump twin' I'd be all in.
I think skating something other than a plan b will also help a ton. I skated a plan b 8.5 a few years back when Cole was still on. Worst feeling board. The nose was so long and steep. Hated it so much. I skated it for several weeks trying to get used to it. Never did. Won’t make that mistake again.
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I really need a deck, my Quasi is disintegrating. Would hate to cop another Ishod/Worrest tho, wasn't a fan. I debate getting a "regular" bloard with more or less equal nose and tail.
I tried going back and want to jump back to twins; the thing that messes with me the most is the difference in kicks; I'm on a planb now and the nose is so much steeper, it feels super weird just doing shuvs to orientate the board.
Eyeing some non-twin santa cruz options, the stump shapes, as they use a mold with symmetrical kicks - degree of kick, not shape; they are also less steep than their twins...man if they made a 'stump twin' I'd be all in.
I think skating something other than a plan b will also help a ton. I skated a plan b 8.5 a few years back when Cole was still on. Worst feeling board. The nose was so long and steep. Hated it so much. I skated it for several weeks trying to get used to it. Never did. Won’t make that mistake again.
Yeah, I've already dismissed it (nose sucks, kick and shape); waiting for the BF sales to kick in full.
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Cross post from the set up thread:
(https://i.imgur.com/jHbeMs7.jpg)
After quite a while on the Quasi 8.375 twin, I picked up an 8.38 shop blank twin from First Skateshop. This is an entirely different beast than the Quasi even if the measurements are somehow similar: Length and width are identical, wheelbase on the shop blank a hair wider. However, and as you can see, the kicks on the shop blank are much wider/squarer than the Quasi. As a matter of fact this shop blank reminds me of the Ishod 8.5 twin a lot. It could actually be labelled twin nose. If that's your jam you might like it. Further, the concave (not the kicks) seems quite steep. I only had one sesh and will have to explore further.
Here's the specs:
8.38 twin blank from First Skateshop
Miles
Indy Forged Hollows 144 stock
Spitfire classics used to be 52mm but now a bit smaller
Swiss Super Six (or whatever they call them)
First Aid 1 inch Allen bolts
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https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-green-8-25-twin
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-blue-8-375-twin
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-white-8-5-twin
I'm probably the rare few who enjoys the Habitat Twin shapes, but they are now available in 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5
8.25 & 8.38 - L: 32.25, WB: 14.38
8.5 - L: 32.375, WB: 14.25, thought this was an off measurement but I just checked and it is actually that long
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Based off the 8.3, probably safe to assume the 8.25 measures true.
Why so long?
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Based off the 8.3, probably safe to assume the 8.25 measures true.
Why so long?
Big deck energy is why
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https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-green-8-25-twin
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-blue-8-375-twin
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-white-8-5-twin
I'm probably the rare few who enjoys the Habitat Twin shapes, but they are now available in 8.25 / 8.38 / 8.5
8.25 & 8.38 - L: 32.25, WB: 14.38
8.5 - L: 32.375, WB: 14.25, thought this was an off measurement but I just checked and it is actually that long
I'm on my last bigboyfoy twin and it's starting to get soft. Been skating bigger boards (8.5), bigger wheels (54mm) and bigger trucks (8.75") so fuck it - I bought the 8.5 habitat (was gonna bite on the 8.5 crail but can't commit to that 14" WB).
Usually I stick to twin nose or hybrids but I'm hoping the longer kicks will give me a bit more leverage popping out of stuff (especially with pop-over tricks).
Hopefully I like it now vs when I rode the 8.3 twin, just wasn't vibing with it back then as I was riding short/under 8.3 and small WB bloards.
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4127250#msg4127250
From the setup thread - 8.5 habitat apex
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4127250#msg4127250
From the setup thread - 8.5 habitat apex
And is it really really 100% 14.25? I had one of the older habitat twins, expecting 14.25 and it ended up being 14.4 or something.
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From the setup thread - 8.5 habitat apex
Up until recently, the only habitat twin was the 8.3 and it was always listed as 14.3x (same as it is for this recent drop).
The 8.5 measures true enough to listed manu dims (i'd argue it's a mm shorter on length, but w/e, there's always going to be some variance unless you are making your shit at DSM):
8.5 x 32.375 x 14.25 - I set it up with indys first and hated it (I dislike indy/ace on 14.25 WB boards); swapped to royals and it was spot on (they push out just a bit more than indy but less than venture, right around a thunder).
It's def longer compared to the DW Foy I was riding which was 31.875ish with short round tails vs long noses (and they are noses despite the official 'twin tail' description) on the apex (I don't have to angle so much with krooks on the apex with the longer kicks).
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From the setup thread - 8.5 habitat apex
Up until recently, the only habitat twin was the 8.3 and it was always listed as 14.3x (same as it is for this recent drop).
The 8.5 measures true enough to listed manu dims (i'd argue it's a mm shorter on length, but w/e, there's always going to be some variance unless you are making your shit at DSM):
8.5 x 32.375 x 14.25 - I set it up with indys first and hated it (I dislike indy/ace on 14.25 WB boards); swapped to royals and it was spot on (they push out just a bit more than indy but less than venture, right around a thunder).
It's def longer compared to the DW Foy I was riding which was 31.875ish with short round tails vs long noses (and they are noses despite the official 'twin tail' description) on the apex (I don't have to angle so much with krooks on the apex with the longer kicks).
Setup a fresh 8.5 Apex just yesterday and the increased length (overall length and shortened WB) was very noticeable especially after riding the 8.38. Even on Venture Forged the kicks felt really long.
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4127250#msg4127250
From the setup thread - 8.5 habitat apex
Up until recently, the only habitat twin was the 8.3 and it was always listed as 14.3x (same as it is for this recent drop).
The 8.5 measures true enough to listed manu dims (i'd argue it's a mm shorter on length, but w/e, there's always going to be some variance unless you are making your shit at DSM):
8.5 x 32.375 x 14.25 - I set it up with indys first and hated it (I dislike indy/ace on 14.25 WB boards); swapped to royals and it was spot on (they push out just a bit more than indy but less than venture, right around a thunder).
It's def longer compared to the DW Foy I was riding which was 31.875ish with short round tails vs long noses (and they are noses despite the official 'twin tail' description) on the apex (I don't have to angle so much with krooks on the apex with the longer kicks).
Setup a fresh 8.5 Apex just yesterday and the increased length (overall length and shortened WB) was very noticeable especially after riding the 8.38. Even on Venture Forged the kicks felt really long.
It's weird to me they went with the longer WB on the narrower / shorter board (8.3) and vice versa on the wider longer one (8.5)....unless that's just a suciu thing since he's been riding the 8.3...the short WB with the 8.25" seems about right tho.
What trucks did you pair with it?
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4127250#msg4127250
From the setup thread - 8.5 habitat apex
Up until recently, the only habitat twin was the 8.3 and it was always listed as 14.3x (same as it is for this recent drop).
The 8.5 measures true enough to listed manu dims (i'd argue it's a mm shorter on length, but w/e, there's always going to be some variance unless you are making your shit at DSM):
8.5 x 32.375 x 14.25 - I set it up with indys first and hated it (I dislike indy/ace on 14.25 WB boards); swapped to royals and it was spot on (they push out just a bit more than indy but less than venture, right around a thunder).
It's def longer compared to the DW Foy I was riding which was 31.875ish with short round tails vs long noses (and they are noses despite the official 'twin tail' description) on the apex (I don't have to angle so much with krooks on the apex with the longer kicks).
Setup a fresh 8.5 Apex just yesterday and the increased length (overall length and shortened WB) was very noticeable especially after riding the 8.38. Even on Venture Forged the kicks felt really long.
It's weird to me they went with the longer WB on the narrower / shorter board (8.3) and vice versa on the wider longer one (8.5)....unless that's just a suciu thing since he's been riding the 8.3...the short WB with the 8.25" seems about right tho.
What trucks did you pair with it?
Be nice if they scaled the dimension with width, 8.25 x 32 x 14.25 sounds like a good time.
Went with Venture Forged, could just be the cold start because after 20 minutes I was getting the timing, but the longer nose and tail was making flips tricky.
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
That welcome looks sick! More like a twin nose(6.75). Been looking for an 8" twin to try. Also 14" WB! This is rare coming from welcome. Love the name "evil twin".
https://www.tactics.com/welcome/clairvoyant-80-evil-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/black (https://www.tactics.com/welcome/clairvoyant-80-evil-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/black)
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Can anybody confirm that toy actually makes twins? Not gonna trust tactics on that one
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Listed as symmetrical on Toy's website
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Good looks!
Thank you twin been out for a min….but it's thank you....
Now that toy machine...if the dims are true that's my next one to sample.
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Good looks!
Thank you twin been out for a min….but it's thank you....
Now that toy machine...if the dims are true that's my next one to sample.
No problem! I wonder if Daewon actually rides the twin given his truck setup is so funky.
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Good looks!
Thank you twin been out for a min….but it's thank you....
Now that toy machine...if the dims are true that's my next one to sample.
No problem! I wonder if Daewon actually rides the twin given his truck setup is so funky.
With his trucks, doubt it; just a board with his name on it.
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Good looks!
Thank you twin been out for a min….but it's thank you....
Now that toy machine...if the dims are true that's my next one to sample.
PS Stix so I'll pass, which other brands does PS Stix do Twins for?
I doubt Thank You is pressed at Clutch, the K mold is their standard shape. Could be Tactics recycling images.
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
Good looks!
Thank you twin been out for a min….but it's thank you....
Now that toy machine...if the dims are true that's my next one to sample.
PS Stix so I'll pass, which other brands does PS Stix do Twins for?
I doubt Thank You is pressed at Clutch, the K mold is their standard shape. Could be Tactics recycling images.
Not sure they do anything else twin; everything twin seems to come out of BBS (barring NHS twins which are just DSM boards; which they'd do something bigger than the 8.25" mold they use).
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Whats the gripe against ps stix and clutch? Ive been on bbs wood for a while so not familiar with the others
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Whats the gripe against ps stix and clutch? Ive been on bbs wood for a while so not familiar with the others
In my experience PS lasts 2 weeks and then they became soggy. Clutch the same but that comes from day one.
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Looks like Thank You and Toy Machine with some twin shapes now.
https://www.tactics.com/search/twin/skateboard-decks
Idk if old news but i went back a few pages and didnt see anyone else post
That welcome looks sick! More like a twin nose(6.75). Been looking for an 8" twin to try. Also 14" WB! This is rare coming from welcome. Love the name "evil twin".
https://www.tactics.com/welcome/clairvoyant-80-evil-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/black (https://www.tactics.com/welcome/clairvoyant-80-evil-twin-shape-skateboard-deck/black)
I skated one a few months ago and enjoyed it, however I hate the graphic and the glitter underlayer... the shape and concave was awesome, but since they can be hard to source from my local, I just skate the 8.0 Ishod twin or the shop twins they have
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Whats the gripe against ps stix and clutch? Ive been on bbs wood for a while so not familiar with the others
What he said about PS Stix, had a good time on my last Clutch deck which felt stiffer than a BBS but less than a DSM R7.
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Whats the gripe against ps stix and clutch? Ive been on bbs wood for a while so not familiar with the others
What he said about PS Stix, had a good time on my last Clutch deck which felt stiffer than a BBS but less than a DSM R7.
Yep, 2 weeks or so and PS sogs out...but if you are skating a lot/'every day then it's no big deal I guess...board is probably done anyway at that point.
If I remember right, clutch used to chip/razor tail easy; been a minute since I've ridden one.
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Good stuff, thanks yall. I actually like the mellowish kicks yet steep concave of the ishod 8.25 deck atm but maybe ill try somethin else next time
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Hey guys, after using several Deluxe 8.3 Twins for quite a while, skating non-twin tail decks the past year, having some serious board madness along the way, it seems that a year later I am back on the Welcome 8.5" Evil Twin, it's one of the best shapes I've skated, they seem to last a long time and I am gonna try to stick with that one to get some consistency :D
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Hey guys, after using several Deluxe 8.3 Twins for quite a while, skating non-twin tail decks the past year, having some serious board madness along the way, it seems that a year later I am back on the Welcome 8.5" Evil Twin, it's one of the best shapes I've skated, they seem to last a long time and I am gonna try to stick with that one to get some consistency :D
Was it the twin shapes that Welcome are not doing in the next drop or so, someone else said?
Stock up on them while you can any which way, if you like that shape, cause you never know when you might get more.
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yeah was welcome...still some out there if you look hard enough...I usually buy more soon after if like the shape.
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Hey guys, after using several Deluxe 8.3 Twins for quite a while, skating non-twin tail decks the past year, having some serious board madness along the way, it seems that a year later I am back on the Welcome 8.5" Evil Twin, it's one of the best shapes I've skated, they seem to last a long time and I am gonna try to stick with that one to get some consistency :D
Was it the twin shapes that Welcome are not doing in the next drop or so, someone else said?
Stock up on them while you can any which way, if you like that shape, cause you never know when you might get more.
Yeah, they told me somewhere in 2024. I’ve still got two on ice though 😃
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Has anyone skated a Toy Machine twin?
https://www.tactics.com/toy-machine/bury-the-hatchet-825-symmetrical-shape-skateboard-deck
I've skated AWS, Welcome, Deathwish, Real, Santa Cruz, and Thank You twin tails but never any Tum Yeto ones. My favorites have been the Welcome, AWS, Deathwish, and Real decks.
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Has anyone skated a Toy Machine twin?
https://www.tactics.com/toy-machine/bury-the-hatchet-825-symmetrical-shape-skateboard-deck
I've skated AWS, Welcome, Deathwish, Real, Santa Cruz, and Thank You twin tails but never any Tum Yeto ones. My favorites have been the Welcome, AWS, Deathwish, and Real decks.
not yet most of us interested in twin tails just learned about it the other day; it’s next on my list!
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Has anyone skated a Toy Machine twin?
https://www.tactics.com/toy-machine/bury-the-hatchet-825-symmetrical-shape-skateboard-deck
I've skated AWS, Welcome, Deathwish, Real, Santa Cruz, and Thank You twin tails but never any Tum Yeto ones. My favorites have been the Welcome, AWS, Deathwish, and Real decks.
another 8.25". Would like so see more 8.5" or 8.75" Twin Tail options. Would like to see an 8.5" Powell Flight deck (244 shape but symmetrical) as well
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https://www.tactics.com/toy-machine/bury-the-hatchet-825-symmetrical-shape-skateboard-deck
I've skated AWS, Welcome, Deathwish, Real, Santa Cruz, and Thank You twin tails but never any Tum Yeto ones. My favorites have been the Welcome, AWS, Deathwish, and Real decks.
another 8.25". Would like so see more 8.5" or 8.75" Twin Tail options. Would like to see an 8.5" Powell Flight deck (244 shape but symmetrical) as well
That Toy Machine deck he’s talking about is also available in 8.5. Don’t know if Tactics has it, but they did make them
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nice! will check that out then ;)
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Thinking about trying one. Most likely Real Ishod. Anyone skating a twin tail? Do you like it? Anything you miss about having a bigger nose?
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[I skate the Real Ishid twin tail 8.5” and I absolutely love it! quote author=VHS ERA link=topic=105756.msg3049291#msg3049291 date=1560913280]
Thinking about trying one. Most likely Real Ishod. Anyone skating a twin tail? Do you like it? Anything you miss about having a bigger nose?
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Get a twin with a bigger nose?
The only thing I've noticed useing twin tails (that are on the shorter end) is the angle for krooks, it's just a bit steeper (also depends on what truck/pinch you have going on, WB, etc.). The longer the kick/WB the mellower the angle for krooks.
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Baker twins coming soon?
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Baker twins coming soon?
All aboard the Twin Tip bandwagon, if Baker did the B2 shape in a twin that would be interesting.
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Baker twins coming soon?
All aboard the Twin Tip bandwagon, if Baker did the B2 shape in a twin that would be interesting.
BBoys just need to make some more Foy twins...I keep trying other brands but the DW foy twin shape is just sooo good (so good I had to jump right back after trying the habitat 8.5).
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Feeling a need for another Ishod twin. Might wait for the new 8.75" coming out soon.
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Baker twins coming soon?
All aboard the Twin Tip bandwagon, if Baker did the B2 shape in a twin that would be interesting.
BBoys just need to make some more Foy twins...I keep trying other brands but the DW foy twin shape is just sooo good (so good I had to jump right back after trying the habitat 8.5).
Finally some more Twin Tail options! Interested!
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Feeling a need for another Ishod twin. Might wait for the new 8.75" coming out soon.
Real 8.75” Twin Tail coming? Where did you find/see this? Thanks!
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Spring 2024 catalog. Looks like 8 5/8" wheel base and slightly longer tails than the 8.5"
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Spring 2024 catalog? They've only just released the Fall 2023 Holiday catalog, right?
I don't know that I've seen a Real twin above 8.5" (I hope you're right, though!).
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Spring 2024 catalog. Looks like 8 5/8" wheel base and slightly longer tails than the 8.5"
i wish someone would make a wide (8.75 or 9) twin popsicle without a long wheelbase. real and welcome both get over 14.5" in wider sizes (the welcome 8.75 has a 14.75 wheelbase, geez). heroin seems to be about the only company making wide twins with short wbs, but just on eggs. but i would very happy if someone told me i'm wrong!
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Spring 2024 catalog? They've only just released the Fall 2023 Holiday catalog, right?
I don't know that I've seen a Real twin above 8.5" (I hope you're right, though!).
There are a lot of shop people and other "associates" on here, who have access to see / order product, so the insider info is out well in advance, compared to what any other person would see once any brand puts up a new catalog online.
You could say there is always a fair bit of inside info floating around too, but in general it is usually kept under wraps until things come out, or at least until someone posts something about it and then everyone else knows too.
And yes that twin 8.75 shape looks pretty good, sizing up and decent dimensions that would work nicely for people who want a larger board with slightly longer wb / kicks.
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Also if you are an internet sleuth you can find upcoming catalogs online, easy enough.
And Cal Skate has it up for pre-order already,
https://calsk8.com/collections/decks/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order (https://calsk8.com/collections/decks/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order)
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There are a lot of shop people and other "associates" on here, who have access to see / order product, so the insider info is out well in advance, compared to what any other person would see once any brand puts up a new catalog online.
You could say there is always a fair bit of inside info floating around too, but in general it is usually kept under wraps until things come out, or at least until someone posts something about it and then everyone else knows too.
And Cal Skate has it up for pre-order already
Thank you both! 🙏
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Also if you are an internet sleuth you can find upcoming catalogs online, easy enough.
And Cal Skate has it up for pre-order already,
https://calsk8.com/collections/decks/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order (https://calsk8.com/collections/decks/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order)
Ha yeah, superior sleuthing skills???
But that's interesting Cal Sk8 is really trying to get a handle on the early market for product. At least if it is out there, it is not a worry to provide all the specs and details.
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
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Also it's McCrank!
We all love McCrank
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Saw this today, really tempted but I just know the 14" won't work for me, regardless of truck =(
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
Skated a couple G096 (8.5 model) on Indy 149s. WB certainly felt small, but I wouldn't say cramped (i'm a short wheelbase lover tho so keep that in mind). I just kinda went wide stance and kept my feet closer to over the bolts for most tricks
Honestly, that set-up is one of my favorite in the recent past. Something about it just felt "right". Beautiful dims, strong wood that broke into a nice flexi-ness, super middle of the road concave.
FUCK i gotta buy another one now....
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Bought a Worrest twin slick today instead...the 14.4 WB is more my stance...a bit bummed it's not an 8.5+ but you gotta do what you gotta do; hoping 159s on it won't be to crazy.
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Coming off the Foy, the DLX 8.3 twin is an easy jump, probably should have been skating these more.
Was able to see/step on the crail G096 today, wow, what a kick! the shape look amazing (and kinda big even for an 8.25...but that WB).
Those that have ridden the DLX 8.3 or even the foy, which is probably no one, how does the G096 really feel? The kicks are long compared to the foy and seemingly the DLX...is the 14" WB on it that noticeable? FWIW, the 8.25" primitives I usually skate have long kicks (tail being comparable to the G096's) and the 14" WB works just fine.
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Coming off the Foy, the DLX 8.3 twin is an easy jump, probably should have been skating these more.
Was able to see/step on the crail G096 today, wow, what a kick! the shape look amazing (and kinda big even for an 8.25...but that WB).
Those that have ridden the DLX 8.3 or even the foy, which is probably no one, how does the G096 really feel? The kicks are long compared to the foy and seemingly the DLX...is the 14" WB on it that noticeable? FWIW, the 8.25" primitives I usually skate have long kicks (tail being comparable to the G096's) and the 14" WB works just fine.
I can tell you the following:
Dlx 8.3 (III, I think) with thunder titanium lights and 51mm wheels pops exactly like the crail twin with venture lights and 54mm wheels. I tried everything else on the crail and nothing felt even slightly fine because the pop felt way too light for me.
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Coming off the Foy, the DLX 8.3 twin is an easy jump, probably should have been skating these more.
Was able to see/step on the crail G096 today, wow, what a kick! the shape look amazing (and kinda big even for an 8.25...but that WB).
Those that have ridden the DLX 8.3 or even the foy, which is probably no one, how does the G096 really feel? The kicks are long compared to the foy and seemingly the DLX...is the 14" WB on it that noticeable? FWIW, the 8.25" primitives I usually skate have long kicks (tail being comparable to the G096's) and the 14" WB works just fine.
Dlx 8.3 (III, I think) with thunder titanium lights and 51mm wheels pops exactly like the crail twin with venture lights and 54mm wheels. I tried everything else on the crail and nothing felt even slightly fine because the pop felt way too light for me.
I set up 5.8 ventures cast hollows on the Worrest (it's a IV, thankfully). but unsure on wheels (52/53/54); it fucking poured last night so no skate today to try it out.
Probably should have bitten with those recent 30% off sales...hell even got the worrest after the sales were over.../sigh
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
Skated a couple G096 (8.5 model) on Indy 149s. WB certainly felt small, but I wouldn't say cramped (i'm a short wheelbase lover tho so keep that in mind). I just kinda went wide stance and kept my feet closer to over the bolts for most tricks
Honestly, that set-up is one of my favorite in the recent past. Something about it just felt "right". Beautiful dims, strong wood that broke into a nice flexi-ness, super middle of the road concave.
FUCK i gotta buy another one now....
Is the 96 twin tail and the 69 twin nose? I've skated a few 69's and they are my favorite shape I can remember by far. I had commented on a crail post on the gram if they made a twin McCrank it would be all I'd buy and I really like that graphic but I need to look into the difference. I didn't know crail had two different twins. Also pissed it dropped right after I spent $$$ on the pop secret 69
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
Skated a couple G096 (8.5 model) on Indy 149s. WB certainly felt small, but I wouldn't say cramped (i'm a short wheelbase lover tho so keep that in mind). I just kinda went wide stance and kept my feet closer to over the bolts for most tricks
Honestly, that set-up is one of my favorite in the recent past. Something about it just felt "right". Beautiful dims, strong wood that broke into a nice flexi-ness, super middle of the road concave.
FUCK i gotta buy another one now....
Is the 96 twin tail and the 69 twin nose? I've skated a few 69's and they are my favorite shape I can remember by far. I had commented on a crail post on the gram if they made a twin McCrank it would be all I'd buy and I really like that graphic but I need to look into the difference. I didn't know crail had two different twins. Also pissed it dropped right after I spent $$$ on the pop secret 69
Same shape but in 8.5
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
Skated a couple G096 (8.5 model) on Indy 149s. WB certainly felt small, but I wouldn't say cramped (i'm a short wheelbase lover tho so keep that in mind). I just kinda went wide stance and kept my feet closer to over the bolts for most tricks
Honestly, that set-up is one of my favorite in the recent past. Something about it just felt "right". Beautiful dims, strong wood that broke into a nice flexi-ness, super middle of the road concave.
FUCK i gotta buy another one now....
Is the 96 twin tail and the 69 twin nose? I've skated a few 69's and they are my favorite shape I can remember by far. I had commented on a crail post on the gram if they made a twin McCrank it would be all I'd buy and I really like that graphic but I need to look into the difference. I didn't know crail had two different twins. Also pissed it dropped right after I spent $$$ on the pop secret 69
Thank you! Would gnar if I still had pal status
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
Skated a couple G096 (8.5 model) on Indy 149s. WB certainly felt small, but I wouldn't say cramped (i'm a short wheelbase lover tho so keep that in mind). I just kinda went wide stance and kept my feet closer to over the bolts for most tricks
Honestly, that set-up is one of my favorite in the recent past. Something about it just felt "right". Beautiful dims, strong wood that broke into a nice flexi-ness, super middle of the road concave.
FUCK i gotta buy another one now....
Is the 96 twin tail and the 69 twin nose? I've skated a few 69's and they are my favorite shape I can remember by far. I had commented on a crail post on the gram if they made a twin McCrank it would be all I'd buy and I really like that graphic but I need to look into the difference. I didn't know crail had two different twins. Also pissed it dropped right after I spent $$$ on the pop secret 69
Thank you! Would gnar if I still had pal status
I gotchoo
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Coming off the Foy, the DLX 8.3 twin is an easy jump, probably should have been skating these more.
Was able to see/step on the crail G096 today, wow, what a kick! the shape look amazing (and kinda big even for an 8.25...but that WB).
Those that have ridden the DLX 8.3 or even the foy, which is probably no one, how does the G096 really feel? The kicks are long compared to the foy and seemingly the DLX...is the 14" WB on it that noticeable? FWIW, the 8.25" primitives I usually skate have long kicks (tail being comparable to the G096's) and the 14" WB works just fine.
Ive actually ridden those 3 Xen and my thoughts are this..
Ive found i prefer mellow kicks but still steep concave, it just helps my flip tricks more, so the ishod/worrest decks are my fav. The foy was still mellowish kicks and slightly less concave, so it was pretty close actually behind the dlx ones. The girl twin i had definitely felt steeper with bigger kicks and mellow concave which is like the polar opposite of what i like so i struggled on it. But again thats just me. I actually pulled a Neen and tried to flatten the kicks out with my car wheel but it still didnt work for me lol.
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Not a new shape but I'm liking McCrank's new Twin Tip graphic, I've swore off Crailtap decks but this could lure me back.
Also it's McCrank!
Anybody skated this shape on Indy's? I'm really curious but it feels like these kind of shapes are designed to work better on Thunders.
Skated a couple G096 (8.5 model) on Indy 149s. WB certainly felt small, but I wouldn't say cramped (i'm a short wheelbase lover tho so keep that in mind). I just kinda went wide stance and kept my feet closer to over the bolts for most tricks
Honestly, that set-up is one of my favorite in the recent past. Something about it just felt "right". Beautiful dims, strong wood that broke into a nice flexi-ness, super middle of the road concave.
FUCK i gotta buy another one now....
Is the 96 twin tail and the 69 twin nose? I've skated a few 69's and they are my favorite shape I can remember by far. I had commented on a crail post on the gram if they made a twin McCrank it would be all I'd buy and I really like that graphic but I need to look into the difference. I didn't know crail had two different twins. Also pissed it dropped right after I spent $$$ on the pop secret 69
Thank you! Would gnar if I still had pal status
I gotchoo
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Coming off the Foy, the DLX 8.3 twin is an easy jump, probably should have been skating these more.
Was able to see/step on the crail G096 today, wow, what a kick! the shape look amazing (and kinda big even for an 8.25...but that WB).
Those that have ridden the DLX 8.3 or even the foy, which is probably no one, how does the G096 really feel? The kicks are long compared to the foy and seemingly the DLX...is the 14" WB on it that noticeable? FWIW, the 8.25" primitives I usually skate have long kicks (tail being comparable to the G096's) and the 14" WB works just fine.
Ive actually ridden those 3 Xen and my thoughts are this..
Ive found i prefer mellow kicks but still steep concave, it just helps my flip tricks more, so the ishod/worrest decks are my fav. The foy was still mellowish kicks and slightly less concave, so it was pretty close actually behind the dlx ones. The girl twin i had definitely felt steeper with bigger kicks and mellow concave which is like the polar opposite of what i like so i struggled on it. But again thats just me. I actually pulled a Neen and tried to flatten the kicks out with my car wheel but it still didnt work for me lol.
I really like the foy, it was really mellow, but I've ridden others that were steeper (different number in the press I guess); the 14.28 WB felt fine, worrest wb feels fine (my non-twin chocolate - G057 at 15"wb feels very 'pop' heavy, don't like it).
Skated the worrest yesterday and today, it's just too narrow (it measures 8.28" so close enough)....guess I'm just an 8.5 rider these days.
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DLX Slick (IV) 8.3" - Twin Tail (BBS)
Habitat 8.5" Apex Twin Nose (BBS)
Quasi 8.375" Twin Tail (BBS)
Foy 8.5" Twin Tail (BBS)
Toy Machine 8.5" Twin Nose (PS)
DLX/Foy/Quasi are pretty much the same overall shape but with slightly different kick/board lengths - Concave is damn near the same, quasi is a just a hair steeper - DLX being the longest WB @14.4, the other two at 14.25 (foy is listed at .28 but isn't). Quasi is more like an 8.28 x31.5" (vs the 8.375" x 31.75" listed. I like the Foy shape the best of the three (followed by the quasi); been riding 8.5s a lot so the DLX and quasi feel super small and cramped compared to the Foy and Habitat.
The Habitat is just a tank, big ass 7" kicks but too long @32.3", gives off longboard vibes even with a 14.25" WB. just hate it (liek the 8.375 version I rode ages ago).
Toy Machine (haven't skated will come back with thoughts).
8.5"x32"x14.25" / 6.88" kicks (but in RAILTY) 8.3875"x31.9"x14.25" / 6.75" kicks
It's is more of a traditional popsicle nose, i.e., long/rounded/full (whereas the habitat is that Sovereign Sect/Hab/AWS sorta long square shovel full); Reminds me of the Disorder board's nose I rode (and enjoyed).
(https://i.ibb.co/7286DKj/IMG-5677.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7286DKj)
It's also FLAT AS FUCK compared to any other deck, twin or not, I have on hand. Kinda excited for a flat concave (look at that above pic) and mellow kicks...little over 2 fingers of flat (so more than the others) I was going to slap indys on it but now I'm seriously considering Ventures (or even thunders).
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Madness? What Madness...
(https://i.ibb.co/kmK46nG/IMG-5675.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kmK46nG)
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DLX Slick (IV) 8.3" - Twin Tail (BBS)
Habitat 8.5" Apex Twin Nose (BBS)
Quasi 8.375" Twin Tail (BBS)
Foy 8.5" Twin Tail (BBS)
Toy Machine 8.5" Twin Nose (PS)
DLX/Foy/Quasi are pretty much the same overall shape but with slightly different kick/board lengths - Concave is damn near the same, quasi is a just a hair steeper - DLX being the longest WB @14.4, the other two at 14.25 (foy is listed at .28 but isn't). Quasi is more like an 8.28 x31.5" (vs the 8.375" x 31.75" listed. I like the Foy shape the best of the three (followed by the quasi); been riding 8.5s a lot so the DLX and quasi feel super small and cramped compared to the Foy and Habitat.
The Habitat is just a tank, big ass 7" kicks but too long @32.3", gives off longboard vibes even with a 14.25" WB. just hate it (liek the 8.375 version I rode ages ago).
The DW Foy looks interesting, managed to get the Quasi twin 8.38 over Xmas and I'm excited to add that to the line up. Riding the Habitat 8.5 twin now and it is beastly long, even with Venture Forged. Wish they stuck with the dimensions of the 8.25 / 8.38, or just made them in 32".
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The Foy is def my fav 8.5 so far; it's super easy/comfy to skate (it measures a hair under 32 as well), it's perfectly middle of the road when it comes to concave/kicks and shape, and if actually skates more like an 8.3ish. But like the quasi and worrest the kicks do feel a bit short (but that might be the habitat talking). Does your quasi measure true?
I've ridden 4 Foys, the current one is on it's way out (but I've been skating it more directionally to make it last) with one left on ice I recently nabbed for free...should have grabbed a few since they are only available via baker bros site (at that $75 premium).
Hoping the Toy works out and they keep it in rotation (I'll grab a couple if I end up liking it).
It's also thinner/light feeling by comparison, but that's why it's gonna sog out in two weeks.
I cannot stand the Habitat twin...ideally I'd be 32"x8.5" with the longer wb and then scale down accordingly...having the 8.3 be as long but with the longer wb is just....weird...I blame Suciu. I did like the longer kicks, I felt more comfortable doing switch/fakie slappy/tricks with more kick room.
(https://i.ibb.co/2WsRmWL/IMG-5676.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2WsRmWL)
Now...149 Thunder Ti, 5.8 Venture Hollow or 149 Indy ti....with either cast hollow or forged hollow plates...leaning towards Forged thunder / indy as I don't want to push out the WB too much.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Where?
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOPE
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Ordered the McCrank twin tip at 8.25". Does anyone know if the concave continues to the nose/tail, or are these completely flat? That would be a mega bummer.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOPE
Ha yeah, I could see some people would be stoked and others not so stoked on that upping the size, width, length and wheelbase.
Might have been best to go with a uniform length and wheelbase and just go wider, eg X, Y or Z wide, then all 32 long and 14.375 wb on all of them?
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Ordered the McCrank twin tip at 8.25". Does anyone know if the concave continues to the nose/tail, or are these completely flat? That would be a mega bummer.
The board arrived today. I am devastated. This thing, although it has decent kicks and plenty concave in the middle, for some reason the concave completely stops at the tips. I mean that the nose and tail are fully flat so when the board sits on a noseslide, the entire surface of the nose touches. Otherwise, the board looks like it has an amazing shape and this ads insult to injury as I feel this would have been such a good ride. Nose/tail are perfect lengthwise (not too long or too short).
If there is anyone based in the UK who can skate this type of boards, you can PM me and I will send the board at a heavy discount. The board is fully sealed in original shrink-wrap with a girl sticker and will come with a sheet of Jessup.
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Ordered the McCrank twin tip at 8.25". Does anyone know if the concave continues to the nose/tail, or are these completely flat? That would be a mega bummer.
The board arrived today. I am devastated. This thing, although it has decent kicks and plenty concave in the middle, for some reason the concave completely stops at the tips. I mean that the nose and tail are fully flat so when the board sits on a noseslide, the entire surface of the nose touches. Otherwise, the board looks like it has an amazing shape and this ads insult to injury as I feel this would have been such a good ride. Nose/tail are perfect lengthwise (not too long or too short).
If there is anyone based in the UK who can skate this type of boards, you can PM me and I will send the board at a heavy discount. The board is fully sealed in original shrink-wrap with a girl sticker and will come with a sheet of Jessup.
I've had this deck before and didn't notice that, but something always felt off. How does the missing concave hinder your skating?
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Ordered the McCrank twin tip at 8.25". Does anyone know if the concave continues to the nose/tail, or are these completely flat? That would be a mega bummer.
The board arrived today. I am devastated. This thing, although it has decent kicks and plenty concave in the middle, for some reason the concave completely stops at the tips. I mean that the nose and tail are fully flat so when the board sits on a noseslide, the entire surface of the nose touches. Otherwise, the board looks like it has an amazing shape and this ads insult to injury as I feel this would have been such a good ride. Nose/tail are perfect lengthwise (not too long or too short).
If there is anyone based in the UK who can skate this type of boards, you can PM me and I will send the board at a heavy discount. The board is fully sealed in original shrink-wrap with a girl sticker and will come with a sheet of Jessup.
I've had this deck before and didn't notice that, but something always felt off. How does the missing concave hinder your skating?
It does not hinder the skating, just feels weird. It feels as if the tips are convex instead of concave :)
Edit: I skated boards like this in the past and hated them. This is the first thing I check for when I buy a board at a skateshop, but I bought this one online (from a brick & mortar shop)
Edit2: To check, I place the board on a flat surface and try to rock the board as if I am trying to flip it. This board sits fully flat.
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Ordered the McCrank twin tip at 8.25". Does anyone know if the concave continues to the nose/tail, or are these completely flat? That would be a mega bummer.
The board arrived today. I am devastated. This thing, although it has decent kicks and plenty concave in the middle, for some reason the concave completely stops at the tips. I mean that the nose and tail are fully flat so when the board sits on a noseslide, the entire surface of the nose touches. Otherwise, the board looks like it has an amazing shape and this ads insult to injury as I feel this would have been such a good ride. Nose/tail are perfect lengthwise (not too long or too short).
If there is anyone based in the UK who can skate this type of boards, you can PM me and I will send the board at a heavy discount. The board is fully sealed in original shrink-wrap with a girl sticker and will come with a sheet of Jessup.
I've had this deck before and didn't notice that, but something always felt off. How does the missing concave hinder your skating?
It does not hinder the skating, just feels weird. It feels as if the tips are convex instead of concave :)
Edit: I skated boards like this in the past and hated them. This is the first thing I check for when I buy a board at a skateshop, but I bought this one online (from a brick & mortar shop)
Well I'll start noticing it from now on. More to get mad about, but I don't think it actually bothers me. Are you doing noseslide to crook combos or something like that? I imagine that's where it would suck the most. As far as I know, all DLX (Or even all BBS?) decks have the concave on the tips.
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Lots of skaters especially Pros like that really flat no concave feel. Especially crailtap boards. Old 90s boards were so flat I’m guessing that’s where they got used to it and just kept it the same.
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@goodatmeth Yes, none of the BBS decks I have had came with flat tips. Recently I have seen it on Palace, Cafe, and Santa Cruz VX decks. I am not that crazy about noseslide to crook, but I can see how it might be an issue although only minor. For me it completely has to do with the feeling when I step on a tip to pop.
@Idk I first noticed this "feature" on some very cheap boards at around the end of 2000's. Been skating since 1985 and never had this problem. I had heaps of crailtap boards that were not like this, but those were PS for sure.
Thanks both for engaging, I am gonna go crazy with the madness..
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@goodatmeth Yes, none of the BBS decks I have had came with flat tips. Recently I have seen it on Palace, Cafe, and Santa Cruz VX decks. I am not that crazy about noseslide to crook, but I can see how it might be an issue although only minor. For me it completely has to do with the feeling when I step on a tip to pop.
@Idk I first noticed this "feature" on some very cheap boards at around the end of 2000's. Been skating since 1985 and never had this problem. I had heaps of crailtap boards that were not like this, but those were PS for sure.
Thanks both for engaging, I am gonna go crazy with the madness..
This is exactly why I don't skate any other boards besides BBS, the one exception being a sample mold that was supposed to be made from a BBS board, but still felt off.
There are other woodshops and other people out there trying to make board molds with "spoon shaped" kicks, but they still don't compare to the usually comfortable "spoon shaped concave" on the kicks of BBS boards, so rather than trying to make any other board with flat faced kicks work, I know I just will not feel comfortable on them so don't try at all.
I can see this as something of a fault or even a weakness, but when it comes to skating, similar time frame to you, started mid 80s and rode a whole lot of whatever I could get my hands on in the past, the last twenty odd years, I have been really getting most comfortable on what I choose to ride, the right concave of a board being the main thing, over anything else.
Sometimes seeing a brand or even a good special on the right dimensions has been something to check, but I know if it doesn't feel right, I am not even going to set it up now - had too many, even from recently that I have tried to make work, but just ended up not enjoying it, so then pass it on to someone else or leave it in the stack of used boards maybe to come back to at some point, but really I should just let them go.
What have been your more recent boards you have skated - guessing they might have been BBS wood?
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The Foy is def my fav 8.5 so far; it's super easy/comfy to skate (it measures a hair under 32 as well), it's perfectly middle of the road when it comes to concave/kicks and shape, and if actually skates more like an 8.3ish. But like the quasi and worrest the kicks do feel a bit short (but that might be the habitat talking). Does your quasi measure true?
I've ridden 4 Foys, the current one is on it's way out (but I've been skating it more directionally to make it last) with one left on ice I recently nabbed for free...should have grabbed a few since they are only available via baker bros site (at that $75 premium).
Hoping the Toy works out and they keep it in rotation (I'll grab a couple if I end up liking it).
It's also thinner/light feeling by comparison, but that's why it's gonna sog out in two weeks.
I cannot stand the Habitat twin...ideally I'd be 32"x8.5" with the longer wb and then scale down accordingly...having the 8.3 be as long but with the longer wb is just....weird...I blame Suciu. I did like the longer kicks, I felt more comfortable doing switch/fakie slappy/tricks with more kick room.
(https://i.ibb.co/2WsRmWL/IMG-5676.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2WsRmWL)
Now...149 Thunder Ti, 5.8 Venture Hollow or 149 Indy ti....with either cast hollow or forged hollow plates...leaning towards Forged thunder / indy as I don't want to push out the WB too much.
The Foy has been supplanted for the Toy. Had to buy another toy to put on ice (they're selling out at most most places and selling at crazy prices already on ebay).
After skating so many BBS twins that are essentially the same shape (twin noses) sans the habitat twin nose, it's nice to have a thin, flat, flexi twin nose that has a regular nose shape; I love how flat it is.
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The Foy is def my fav 8.5 so far; it's super easy/comfy to skate (it measures a hair under 32 as well), it's perfectly middle of the road when it comes to concave/kicks and shape, and if actually skates more like an 8.3ish. But like the quasi and worrest the kicks do feel a bit short (but that might be the habitat talking). Does your quasi measure true?
I've ridden 4 Foys, the current one is on it's way out (but I've been skating it more directionally to make it last) with one left on ice I recently nabbed for free...should have grabbed a few since they are only available via baker bros site (at that $75 premium).
Hoping the Toy works out and they keep it in rotation (I'll grab a couple if I end up liking it).
It's also thinner/light feeling by comparison, but that's why it's gonna sog out in two weeks.
I cannot stand the Habitat twin...ideally I'd be 32"x8.5" with the longer wb and then scale down accordingly...having the 8.3 be as long but with the longer wb is just....weird...I blame Suciu. I did like the longer kicks, I felt more comfortable doing switch/fakie slappy/tricks with more kick room.
(https://i.ibb.co/2WsRmWL/IMG-5676.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2WsRmWL)
Now...149 Thunder Ti, 5.8 Venture Hollow or 149 Indy ti....with either cast hollow or forged hollow plates...leaning towards Forged thunder / indy as I don't want to push out the WB too much.
The Foy has been supplanted for the Toy. Had to buy another toy to put on ice (they're selling out at most most places and selling at crazy prices already on ebay).
After skating so many BBS twins that are essentially the same shape (twin noses) sans the habitat twin nose, it's nice to have a thin, flat, flexi twin nose that has a regular nose shape; I love how flat it is.
I hated the habitat shape too, something about it feeling too long and narrow. Besides the concave are the kicks mellow too on the toy? Or on the steeper side.
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The habitat is too long for me, I knew better as I prefer 32” down to 31.75”…
The kicks are super flat, check the pic ☝️
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@goodatmeth Yes, none of the BBS decks I have had came with flat tips. Recently I have seen it on Palace, Cafe, and Santa Cruz VX decks. I am not that crazy about noseslide to crook, but I can see how it might be an issue although only minor. For me it completely has to do with the feeling when I step on a tip to pop.
@Idk I first noticed this "feature" on some very cheap boards at around the end of 2000's. Been skating since 1985 and never had this problem. I had heaps of crailtap boards that were not like this, but those were PS for sure.
Thanks both for engaging, I am gonna go crazy with the madness..
This is exactly why I don't skate any other boards besides BBS, the one exception being a sample mold that was supposed to be made from a BBS board, but still felt off.
There are other woodshops and other people out there trying to make board molds with "spoon shaped" kicks, but they still don't compare to the usually comfortable "spoon shaped concave" on the kicks of BBS boards, so rather than trying to make any other board with flat faced kicks work, I know I just will not feel comfortable on them so don't try at all.
I can see this as something of a fault or even a weakness, but when it comes to skating, similar time frame to you, started mid 80s and rode a whole lot of whatever I could get my hands on in the past, the last twenty odd years, I have been really getting most comfortable on what I choose to ride, the right concave of a board being the main thing, over anything else.
Sometimes seeing a brand or even a good special on the right dimensions has been something to check, but I know if it doesn't feel right, I am not even going to set it up now - had too many, even from recently that I have tried to make work, but just ended up not enjoying it, so then pass it on to someone else or leave it in the stack of used boards maybe to come back to at some point, but really I should just let them go.
What have been your more recent boards you have skated - guessing they might have been BBS wood?
For the last 4-5 years I have been skating the Sour 8.18" (usually Daniels Spangs pro model but more recently Vincent Huhta). I am aware that Sour are pressed by HLC, and this shop makes shitty flat tipped boards but also decent ones like the one I usually ride. Other than that, During the last 5 years I have also skated Baker, Deathwish, Magenta, Girl, Chocolate. None of these decks had this flat tip issue where they feel like a cheap toys R us board.
Let me add that I like super mellow concaves, and the Sour 8.18 that I usually skate has waaaay less concave than this Girl twin. However, the Girl goes completely flat on the tips (which are also quite steeper than the Sour). I have a brand new Sour and checked them side by side.
I initially blamed the board designers, because it is much easier and lazy to design a board with flat tips Vs. a board with spoon nose and tail.
I now believe that it has to do with some manufacturing constraint (maybe cost? all China pressed decks that I have seen are flat tipped),because any product designer who repsects their work should be able to design a board with slightly spooned tips.
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The habitat is too long for me, I knew better as I prefer 32” down to 31.75”…
The kicks are super flat, check the pic ☝️
Holy shit yea it looks like a piece of plywood!
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
$76!? Damn, prices keep going up. Feel like they were $65 last year.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
Crail used to... New boards are now $70 and $80 on their website.
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Still $65 for an Ishod twin from Cal Skate. I'm sure their rices will go up very soon.
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Personally, I loved all the dims on Crails G096 - not sure how the mold compares to the G069 - honestly the flat concave and fingers of flat made the board work for me. 100% different than most decks I tend to like, but something just felt so perfect.
Made me realize I liked shorter WB, but 14" is def a bit tight, ultimately worked for me tho. other than a smidge longer WB, I don't think I would change anything about that board.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
Crail used to... New boards are now $70 and $80 on their website.
All board co's seem to have high prices on their website, but when you go to some online retailers, the prices are lower than MSRP (Baker/DW do this was as well)..
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/search-skate.html?start=0&count=30&searchtext=girl
$60 girl decks @ SW - including the recent Sanrio collab drop
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
The DLX boards up to 8.6 are a certain price, but anything over that, eg 8.7+ is into the higher price bracket now.
Same with wheels, to 56mm one price, then 57mm+ is the higher price.
Some shops don't pass on the price differences, but I think increasingly most have now included those higher prices for bigger boards in their normal prices.
That said, some drops seem to cost more than others too, but I don't know if the USA has any China boards, or if they will switch over to them, but on average the China made boards are significantly cheaper in all aspects.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
I'm glad I still have two Welcome TTs (that will probably never come back, I think they'll stick with eggs and popsicles). Seems like the market is changing. Higher prices, less shapes, etc.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
Egg trend > Twin Tail trend for sure...
I'm all in on the toy machine twin but I don't expect that to stay around for very long as it felt like a very limited/small run as it is already hard to get (snagged the last 8.5" from tactics today); hopefully they get re-orders for as fast at it sold.
DLX make twins in dims I don't prefer and given what is out there, consistently - I might have to force myself on the G096 with some ventures and just suck up the short WB...14.25"WB with Indys is damn near a 14"WB with ventures.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
Crail used to... New boards are now $70 and $80 on their website.
All board co's seem to have high prices on their website, but when you go to some online retailers, the prices are lower than MSRP (Baker/DW do this was as well)..
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/search-skate.html?start=0&count=30&searchtext=girl
$60 girl decks @ SW - including the recent Sanrio collab drop
Now we wait for their monthly / quarterly 25-30% off sale.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
Egg trend > Twin Tail trend for sure...
I'm all in on the toy machine twin but I don't expect that to stay around for very long as it felt like a very limited/small run as it is already hard to get (snagged the last 8.5" from tactics today); hopefully they get re-orders for as fast at it sold.
DLX make twins in dims I don't prefer and given what is out there, consistently - I might have to force myself on the G096 with some ventures and just suck up the short WB...14.25"WB with Indys is damn near a 14"WB with ventures.
Same here, gonna try to make the crail twins work after years of skating the ishods. Until some company regularly releases 14.25" twins that aren't stupidly overpriced...
I think I'd love the crail twins a lot more if the tails would taper more. Don't really like the scoop.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They've gone up in price almost $7.50 year.
(priced from tactics; I didn't pay full price last year, got it for $66 but still)
2020 Krooked twin slick was $59.99
2023 Krooked twin slick was $82.95
Did DLX go to china to save us a few bucks? At this point only Crail is giving decent prices these days for MIC
decks.
Egg trend > Twin Tail trend for sure...
I'm all in on the toy machine twin but I don't expect that to stay around for very long as it felt like a very limited/small run as it is already hard to get (snagged the last 8.5" from tactics today); hopefully they get re-orders for as fast at it sold.
DLX make twins in dims I don't prefer and given what is out there, consistently - I might have to force myself on the G096 with some ventures and just suck up the short WB...14.25"WB with Indys is damn near a 14"WB with ventures.
I think I'd love the crail twins a lot more if the tails would taper more. Don't really like the scoop.
Was able to check out the 8.25 crail twin in person, I like the kicks, very full and that's def more my style than the bbs twins.
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All this Crail talk has me itching to try the G096 shape, I've adapted to the Habitat 8.38 twins but you definitely feel the length and got me thinking about riding something closer to a 32".
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I want too as well, but if I can find any twin with a 14.25” I’d skate that before a 14”…if I can’t scrounge up more Twin Toys I’ll bite on the G096.
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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.
Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.
And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.
Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
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Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
You are a bold one.
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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.
Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.
And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.
Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.
Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.
And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.
Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
I've skated two of those, same long wheelbase as the dlx twins. And I don't like the mellow tails either, the decks feel dead from the start. But they stay consistently dead feeling for the life of the deck, whatever that means...
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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.
Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.
And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.
Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
Having ridden the symmetrical wave, what 10+ years ago (mystery, creature and plan b come to mind)? I figured this one, too, would pass.
If there are not enough riders asking for them and not enough selling through retail/market demand (which obviously they are selling) they're not gonna press them; If you have to get your slot at the woodshop you press the big sellers...welcome clearly slotted popsicles and eggs over twins the last two drops...
It's pretty clear crail is the only consistent group committed as we get them every drop...just scratch off maltos name ;)
Pics are up
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
Says twin but the dims listed say otherwise
https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/gerwer-grimple-asphalt-animals-100-twin-nose-shape-wheel-wells/black
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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.
Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.
And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.
Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
Sorry to hear that, I ride the 8.38 and rather like it. Might cop another one.
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I don't get it. I totally thought the time of twins has come and there won't be a drought for a long time. And ok, it's not really a drought, I'm just sick of skating twins with a wheelbase that's too long (DLX) or too short (Crail). And those are the only ones available.
Is it not financially worth it to make twins? How could that be? Are woodshops not offering any twin shapes and companies need to pay extra for new special molds? I wish every damn company would hop on the twin train.
And how does nobody (At least in europe and under 100€) offer a twin with the most basic dimensions? Is 14.25" not the most common wheelbase anymore? I'd totally buy the toy machine even though it looks way too flat for my liking.
Honestly I wish Jart would start making twins. Would probably make it a 14.2 wb and super cheap. I'd get it with any stupid graphic of any character smoking weed, don't care.
Sorry to hear that, I ride the 8.38 and rather like it. Might cop another one.
Just remembered, I rode the 8.38 as well and it felt kind of weird/inconsistent. When I measured it, both kicks weren't actually the same length. Like 0.1-0.2" difference. But at least the kick angles were the same at 19°.
Then I started always skating the smaller kick as the tail and lost the whole point of skating a twin. That's the main reason I won't get these again
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Taking the plunge with a Crail 8.25 since they were the only one in stock at the moment, time to break out the Venture 5.6.
Glider and Control do twin shapes but they aren't mass produced, I rode a few Control twin nose samples and they felt middle of the road, didn't have the snap of a BBS nor the stiffness of a DSM. It was a shame because the dimensions on paper sounded appealing (8.5 x 32 x 14.25) but something about the tips felts shorter than I liked, maybe it was too boxy.
Glider still does twin tails I think his decks are from China. The dimensions are closer to Ishod's twin tail which I'm not a fan of.
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Taking the plunge with a Crail 8.25 since they were the only one in stock at the moment, time to break out the Venture 5.6.
Glider and Control do twin shapes but they aren't mass produced, I rode a few Control twin nose samples and they felt middle of the road, didn't have the snap of a BBS nor the stiffness of a DSM. It was a shame because the dimensions on paper sounded appealing (8.5 x 32 x 14.25) but something about the tips felts shorter than I liked, maybe it was too boxy.
Glider still does twin tails I think his decks are from China. The dimensions are closer to Ishod's twin tail which I'm not a fan of.
I almost did the same thing today (the 8.25 mcrank is sitting in a cart as you read this) and I've got the 5.6 (forged push out more than cast right?) and forged/cast plates ready to go.
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Werent the foy twins 14.25 wheelbase? I rode a neen twin as well before the foy and i liked that one too i cant remember the dimensions though.
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Werent the foy twins 14.25 wheelbase? I rode a neen twin as well before the foy and i liked that one too i cant remember the dimensions though.
Yep both the foy and neen were 14.25 wb (Foy is listed as 14.28 but it isn't); good luck getting them tho, the neen hasn't been available forever (and was really 8.125 not the listed 8.25, I rode three) there are a few foy's out there from the last drop (the Gator graphic) if you know where to look but it's less than 8.
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Taking the plunge with a Crail 8.25 since they were the only one in stock at the moment, time to break out the Venture 5.6.
I'm with you! Some un-skated 5.6 lites on hand, tho very tempted to use my 5.8 hollow hangers instead.
(https://i.ibb.co/J5f13Dj/IMG-5724.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J5f13Dj)
I really like the toy machine twin (8.5") but I'm feeling the weight of and width of it for some things.
Pretty sure this won't help, and only feed the madness. But if it works it's nice to know getting one is easier than other brands.
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I can make the crail twin work and am committing to making the switch (due to regular availability) for sure but there are a few 'wish it was...'
(https://i.ibb.co/1zfStz4/IMG-5742.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1zfStz4)
WB with those forged 6.5" V-lites wasn't an issue, like the 8.125"/8.25" primitives, the longer kicks+ventures sort of nulls out the tight board feel in terms of 'perceived' WB...i.e., it feels longer because the trucks are pushing it out and my back foot can can go further back (compared to a short WB on a shorter board or a long nose/short tail 14" WB deck...duh). My ollies were very snappy/powerful and controlled feeling. So good.
I wish the kicks were a bit more full at [just] the tips, they remind me of the old 8.25" DSM/Enjoi Impact Light bloard's noses, totally usable tho
I wish there was an 8.3 (they could call it the G0Ɛ3 ;) ) but might try the 8.5 after I skate 1 more of the 8.25s (or just jump straight to it after this one) as I've been on 8.5s for the last 2 months. Dropping down to an 8.2" might as well feel like an 8".
Not board related, but I wish there were V3 x99s - I might throw on my stf v3s for a bit more hanger room/swap to 5.8 hollow hangers but am reluctant given how well I was skating (even tho I felt ever so slight cramped coming off a longer deck/wb and wider board with wider tindies, that is oddly LIGHTER).
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I can make the crail twin work and am committing to making the switch (due to regular availability) for sure but there are a few 'wish it was...'
(https://i.ibb.co/1zfStz4/IMG-5742.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1zfStz4)
WB with those forged 6.5" V-lites wasn't an issue, like the 8.125"/8.25" primitives, the longer kicks+ventures sort of nulls out the tight board feel in terms of 'perceived' WB...i.e., it feels longer because the trucks are pushing it out and my back foot can can go further back (compared to a short WB on a shorter board or a long nose/short tail 14" WB deck...duh). My ollies were very snappy/powerful and controlled feeling. So good.
I wish the kicks were a bit more full at [just] the tips, they remind me of the old 8.25" DSM/Enjoi Impact Light bloard's noses, totally usable tho
I wish there was an 8.3 (they could call it the G0Ɛ3 ;) ) but might try the 8.5 after I skate 1 more of the 8.25s (or just jump straight to it after this one) as I've been on 8.5s for the last 2 months. Dropping down to an 8.2" might as well feel like an 8".
Not board related, but I wish there were V3 x99s - I might throw on my stf v3s for a bit more hanger room/swap to 5.8 hollow hangers but am reluctant given how well I was skating (even tho I felt ever so slight cramped coming off a longer deck/wb and wider board with wider tindies, that is oddly LIGHTER).
Yeah I'm sold, mine should be arriving next week and I'm due or a deck refresh. Should give me enough time to figure out truck madness (5.6 or 5.8).
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Saw those Ishod Cat decks on Tactics for a day lol. Should’ve grabbed a green one. They use to always have them in stock, not the graphic, but the others. Guess Real are making less of them.
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Ishod TTs are going to come in 8.75” starting with one of the spring drops.
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Ishod TTs are going to come in 8.75” starting with one of the spring drops.
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The new Ishod series is out, including the 8.75".
Tactics has them up.
No pics on the listing, but you don't need a pic when you know it is a twin.
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
SPECS
SIZE 8.75
LENGTH (IN): 32.61
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.68
NOSE (IN): 6.8
TAIL (IN): 6.8
They're already out!
Saw those Ishod Cat decks on Tactics for a day lol. Should’ve grabbed a green one. They use to always have them in stock, not the graphic, but the others. Guess Real are making less of them.
If you are eyeing the 8.75 I'd grab it quick, my guess is those are going to go fast...not that the others don't too.
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I can make the crail twin work and am committing to making the switch (due to regular availability) for sure but there are a few 'wish it was...'
(https://i.ibb.co/1zfStz4/IMG-5742.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1zfStz4)
WB with those forged 6.5" V-lites wasn't an issue, like the 8.125"/8.25" primitives, the longer kicks+ventures sort of nulls out the tight board feel in terms of 'perceived' WB...i.e., it feels longer because the trucks are pushing it out and my back foot can can go further back (compared to a short WB on a shorter board or a long nose/short tail 14" WB deck...duh). My ollies were very snappy/powerful and controlled feeling. So good.
I wish the kicks were a bit more full at [just] the tips, they remind me of the old 8.25" DSM/Enjoi Impact Light bloard's noses, totally usable tho
I wish there was an 8.3 (they could call it the G0Ɛ3 ;) ) but might try the 8.5 after I skate 1 more of the 8.25s (or just jump straight to it after this one) as I've been on 8.5s for the last 2 months. Dropping down to an 8.2" might as well feel like an 8".
Not board related, but I wish there were V3 x99s - I might throw on my stf v3s for a bit more hanger room/swap to 5.8 hollow hangers but am reluctant given how well I was skating (even tho I felt ever so slight cramped coming off a longer deck/wb and wider board with wider tindies, that is oddly LIGHTER).
Yeah I'm sold, mine should be arriving next week and I'm due or a deck refresh. Should give me enough time to figure out truck madness (5.6 or 5.8).
Good luck with that ;0 Coming off 8.5/149s I went straight to the 5.6s, disassembled my 5.8s to help me 'stay away' - I really liked how grabby the 5.6s/V5 shape wheel were on front crooks tho.
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I think Tactics took them down for some reason. Maybe the posted them too soon?
Anyway, you can still pre-order the new Ishod from Cal Skate including the 8.75"
https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order (https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order)
(https://calsk8.com/cdn/shop/files/Ishodtwin_2048x2048.jpg?v=1699988915)
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I think Tactics took them down for some reason. Maybe the posted them too soon?
Anyway, you can still pre-order the new Ishod from Cal Skate including the 8.75"
https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order (https://calsk8.com/products/real-skateboards-ishod-wair-cat-scratch-assorted-sized-twin-tip-deck-pre-order)
(https://calsk8.com/cdn/shop/files/Ishodtwin_2048x2048.jpg?v=1699988915)
They're back up now:
https://www.tactics.com/real/ishod-cat-scratch-875-twin-tail-shape-skateboard-deck
This 8.75 is tempting, but that 14.68 wheelbase 😳
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That wheelbase is very tempting. I'm looking for something to put Ace classic 55s on. I'd probably have to lose the graphic though.
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Same. i have the 8.5" on order. Plan to use AF1 55s and get to sliding pretty quick.
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Primitive, give us the 8.125 twins already!!!
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FYI New DLX Spring 24 now available for skateshops to place orders through most distributors... I had my local order x5 Ishod cat scratch glitter 8.0 twins to last until the next release...
https://www.awhsales.com/new-arrivals
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I'm assuming it's taking time to get it just right, with input from lots of team riders that might want it; having skated a few of the 8.125s, pretty sure taking the nose shape/length and just duping it for both kicks wouldn't be ideal...the noses on them are 7.125"ish, putting two of them on it as is would push the length well past the 32.25" mark give or take (more like 32.4x); not sure that length is in prods wheelhouse.
For those looking at the 8.73 DLX and digging that WB, what are you skating and are you 7'+ tall? =)
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Well after watching Ben DeGros skate Chris Roberts' Twin paddle on 161s and the new Jordan Trahan Static part, I bit the bullet on the Chocolate 8.5" Twin Tail Pop Secret that was only $65. 14" WB destroys my kick flips but 151s should chill things out... I need to get off Youtube and get outside but we are pretty much snowed and iced in... hopefully I'll stop online shopping at this point.
Looks like I'm all Huffers and 8.5" twin paddles for 2024.
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Well after watching Ben DeGros skate Chris Roberts' Twin paddle on 161s and the new Jordan Trahan Static part, I bit the bullet on the Chocolate 8.5" Twin Tail Pop Secret that was only $65. 14" WB destroys my kick flips but 151s should chill things out... I need to get off Youtube and get outside but we are pretty much snowed and iced in... hopefully I'll stop online shopping at this point.
Looks like I'm all Huffers and 8.5" twin paddles for 2024.
I just finished watching that; crazy to me that it took so long for them to arrive at 8.25 w/149s as the happy medium (and considering the other twin they make at crailtap is an 8.25...)...this is Rog telling chris 'you need a big board and trucks for slappies' because he gave up flip tricks.
Knowing the two/three curb spots that crew skates on the regular, only one of them [sorta] benefits from a wide (8.75 is fine w/ 52 classics) truck and that's only IF you want to sit perfectly on top of the curb (which that crew doesn't do hardly ever if you watch their footy) or do 50/50 transfers super easy, otherwise 149s are fine as you can lock in and also roll on the top, smith and feeble and transfer out...149s and V3s ALMOST get you locked on top...almost...
161s on an 8.5 are overkill, no wonder he hates/feels flipping it just sucks...because it does...just like riding an 8" with 149s would feel like shit...that's why not many people do it, if at all.
This is where the madness lies when it comes to curb skating...some just give up flip tricks/hucking/rails/whatever for a spot/certain type of skating while others (me, crob) want to be able to do both...with one board...Dilo does it all, &&, and tons more.
Easier to lose flip tricks on a fat board with big trucks than it is to lose slappies on an 8.25 with 8.25/149s...
Sorry /madnessramble
What I found super interesting was the dims of that 8.5 being shorter - kicks and overall than the advertised 31.875 with 6.84 kicks.
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For those looking at the 8.73 DLX and digging that WB, what are you skating and are you 7'+ tall? =)
8.5 polar with Indys. 6.5" tail.
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I'm 6'4 and prefer a 14.25 wheelbase. Don't flip my board outside of no-comply variations, but everything just feels more responsive with the smaller wheelbase.
The 8.75 is probably cool though. Part of me is afraid to try it. Because I might like it and who knows how long they'll last 😭
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Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.
If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.
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Motherfuckers. I bought the Trahan pop secret twin for $65 yesterday....Oh well, that's what I get for not supporting the local...(none of my locals carry Craig)
Still way cheaper than $95....
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Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.
If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.
Damn i do not need another board but that is quite a steal lol.
On another note, since a few ppl mentioned riding the twins with ventures, how do you like them overall? Ive been on thunders for years and havent ridden ventures in about 10 years, but was thinking about picking up a set for the fuck of it. Would probably get the hollow 5.6 ones with the 8.25 ishod twin for now unless i get a crail one. Too bad they dont make a 5.6 low.
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Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.
If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.
Damn i do not need another board but that is quite a steal lol.
On another note, since a few ppl mentioned riding the twins with ventures, how do you like them overall? Ive been on thunders for years and havent ridden ventures in about 10 years, but was thinking about picking up a set for the fuck of it. Would probably get the hollow 5.6 ones with the 8.25 ishod twin for now unless i get a crail one. Too bad they dont make a 5.6 low.
The DLX twins have a long wheelbase, even the 8.25" if you are cool with ventures pushing it out even more go for it. Personally, I find I can only ride ventures on short wb boards with long kicks; currently running the 8.25 crail with v-lites (hollow pin/forged plates, solid axle).
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Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.
If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.
Solid find, picked one up. I know my knees are going to hate the zero flex but I've always been a risk taker.
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Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.
If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.
I bought a 8.25 “POP TWIN” from them last week but it wasn’t an actual twin. It was a G052. I think they mislabeled these on their website so I want to say the 8.5 isn’t an actual twin either.
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The one on sale was the Trahan Dog Perfume Pop Secret Deck 8.5 G069, which is a twin:
https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w46-d2-chocolate-trahan-dog-perfume-pop-secret-deck/#filter:tag=pop-secret
But doesn't matter anymore since they are sold out.
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The one on sale was the Trahan Dog Perfume Pop Secret Deck 8.5 G069, which is a twin:
https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w46-d2-chocolate-trahan-dog-perfume-pop-secret-deck/#filter:tag=pop-secret
But doesn't matter anymore since they are sold out.
Ahh I see. This is the one skate warehouse had listed as a twin. I should’ve double checked on the Crail site first.
https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w46-d2-chocolate-herrera-dog-perfume-pop-secret-deck/#filter:tag=pop-secret
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A good rule of thumb is to look at the pro rider attached to the deck - Malto and Crob usually have twins but the lineup is expanding to Trahan, Brophy, CK, Alverez and Bennett.
Just to be safe check the graphic against the Crail website.
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Skatewarehouse has a clearance thing, the chocolate pop secret twin is 50$, 8.25 and 8.5.
If anyone is interested in trying it out for a discount.
Solid find, picked one up. I know my knees are going to hate the zero flex but I've always been a risk taker.
As someone with knee issues (I'm thinking ACL) this is often overlooked. Crail wood is stiff enough without carbon fiber :P
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Just got an 8.5" Trahan pop secret Twin in the mail and holy shit that thing is heavy. Weight doesn't really bother me but this thing is a plank. Def will need to pair with some light Thunders and small wheels. Lovely shape though.
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Just got an 8.5" Trahan pop secret Twin in the mail and holy shit that thing is heavy. Weight doesn't really bother me but this thing is a plank. Def will need to pair with some light Thunders and small wheels. Lovely shape though.
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mr8735fz4H8ISXPM8PHU1MXWB3o=/0x0:650x339/1200x800/filters:focal(255x97:359x201)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62421642/gob_bluth.0.jpg)
I've been on Venture 5.8 TIs for a long time and was thinking of going standard cast or just the V-Light for some added weight. Guess I wont need to change out the TIs given how heavy this thing is.
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Yeah. This 8.5" pop secret is heavier than a 9.18 Huffer.
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The Ishod’s have glitter ✨ in the paint. You can feel the texture. Almost too pretty to skate. (https://i.ibb.co/YBCwgmH/IMG-4106.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YBCwgmH)
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The Ishod’s have glitter ✨ in the paint. You can feel the texture. Almost too pretty to skate. (https://i.ibb.co/YBCwgmH/IMG-4106.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YBCwgmH)
I’ve been debating buying one of those Ishod decks today and I click on this thread and lo and behold… fuck…
What r the (true) dims on that 8.5? Torn between the 8.5 or the 8.3. It’s a slick no?
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The Ishod’s have glitter ✨ in the paint. You can feel the texture. Almost too pretty to skate. (https://i.ibb.co/YBCwgmH/IMG-4106.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YBCwgmH)
Good colors all around!
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Stepped on the 8.25" Toy machine twin, didn't like it at all shape-wise compared to the 8.5; completely different shapes: 8.5" is full/rounded/wide kicks, 8.25 has narrow pointy kicks (honestly it looked like 'insert skate company 233123's generic shape).
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Stepped on the 8.25" Toy machine twin, didn't like it at all shape-wise compared to the 8.5; completely different shapes: 8.5" is full/rounded/wide kicks, 8.25 has narrow pointy kicks (honestly it looked like 'insert skate company 233123's generic shape).
Thats disappointing, from the pics on tactics it looks much more full and less pointy.
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Here’s the 8.25 TM twin, measurements are accurate, shape has a rocker to it, and tapers slightly toward the ends.
(https://i.ibb.co/V90ccgq/IMG-6221.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Cxddn1)
(https://i.ibb.co/1bcnkjv/IMG-6224.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZN9J07L)
(https://i.ibb.co/9ZXR7Qt/IMG-6225.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tLfy9VX)
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Has anyone been finding the Ishod/Bobby 8.38s anywhere that a normal human could afford?
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Has anyone been finding the Ishod/Bobby 8.38s anywhere that a normal human could afford?
Use the code “BIGAIRJARE” on Tactics. It’ll give you 20% off, bringing the price to $61.
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Has anyone been finding the Ishod/Bobby 8.38s anywhere that a normal human could afford?
Thank you so much man
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Skatewarehouse has the Roberts Chocolate 8.25 for daily deal today, 47.74 (clever price if intentional)
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Anyone snag one of those thank you daewon twins? Any comparisons or lack there of to the dlx twins?
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Skatewarehouse has the Roberts Chocolate 8.25 for daily deal today, 47.74 (clever price if intentional)
The Pop Secret Twin in 8.25 is also discounted at $50 if you like extra stiff and heavy decks.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Herrera_Dog_Perfume_TWIN_POP_Deck/descpage-CHHTPDK.html
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Skatewarehouse has the Roberts Chocolate 8.25 for daily deal today, 47.74 (clever price if intentional)
Just bought two! Thank you for the heads up!
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
(https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=84855.0;attach=24476;image)
G080 shape
Width - 8.0"
Length - 31.88"
Wheelbase - 14"
Nose - 6.84"
Tail - 6.84"
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
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Would love a Crail twin a 8.5 with a 14.25" WB
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Would love a Crail twin a 8.5 with a 14.25" WB
And I'd like a crail twin @ 8.75" with a 14"wb. Maybe 14.125"
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Would love a Crail twin a 8.5 with a 14.25" WB
I would also like to see this. Or you know, Deathwish could drop the price on their twins (all of their decks for that matter). I love that Foy twin shape, but $80 is getting to be a little much.
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Would love a Crail twin a 8.5 with a 14.25" WB
I'm back on the 8.3ish quasi just for the wheebase/overall length.
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
Looks like it is an 8.0 x 31.8 Skatewarehouse lists WB at 14"... CCS lists the WB at 14.25" I had my local order x5 from their distributor to see what they are like.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
Exactly what they needed in their catalog, my guess is their twin shapes are their best sellers so it made sense to do a 8.0 variant. 14" WB would be a great fit with Venture 5.2 Lo Forged, definitely feeling some tingling on my inside-y parts.
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
Looks like it is an 8.0 x 31.8 Skatewarehouse lists WB at 14"... CCS lists the WB at 14.25" I had my local order x5 from their distributor to see what they are like.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
Exactly what they needed in their catalog, my guess is their twin shapes are their best sellers so it made sense to do a 8.0 variant. 14" WB would be a great fit with Venture 5.2 Lo Forged, definitely feeling some tingling on my inside-y parts.
Yeah I have some Thunder Team Titanium hybrids... sometimes that BBS 14.3WB is a bit much for an 8 x 31.5 board
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
Looks like it is an 8.0 x 31.8 Skatewarehouse lists WB at 14"... CCS lists the WB at 14.25" I had my local order x5 from their distributor to see what they are like.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
Exactly what they needed in their catalog, my guess is their twin shapes are their best sellers so it made sense to do a 8.0 variant. 14" WB would be a great fit with Venture 5.2 Lo Forged, definitely feeling some tingling on my inside-y parts.
Its long for an 8, but I guess its the same length as G069 and G096
Fuckin paddles ...
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
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Twin DSM decks sound amazing, Habitat / AWS have been splitting their twin deck manufacturing between BBS and China (DSM probably) so it makes sense that Jacuzzi (DSM) might use the similar mold.
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
Looks like it is an 8.0 x 31.8 Skatewarehouse lists WB at 14"... CCS lists the WB at 14.25" I had my local order x5 from their distributor to see what they are like.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
Exactly what they needed in their catalog, my guess is their twin shapes are their best sellers so it made sense to do a 8.0 variant. 14" WB would be a great fit with Venture 5.2 Lo Forged, definitely feeling some tingling on my inside-y parts.
Its long for an 8, but I guess its the same length as G069 and G096
Fuckin paddles ...
Yeah, I was hoping they'd make this a 31.5 with ~6.6 nose/tail.
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
Looks like it is an 8.0 x 31.8 Skatewarehouse lists WB at 14"... CCS lists the WB at 14.25" I had my local order x5 from their distributor to see what they are like.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
Exactly what they needed in their catalog, my guess is their twin shapes are their best sellers so it made sense to do a 8.0 variant. 14" WB would be a great fit with Venture 5.2 Lo Forged, definitely feeling some tingling on my inside-y parts.
Its long for an 8, but I guess its the same length as G069 and G096
Fuckin paddles ...
Yeah, I was hoping they'd make this a 31.5 with ~6.6 nose/tail.
that is the ishod, but with 14.3wb
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
Looks like Jacuzzi is testing out some twin nose and twin tail shapes. Never skated either so I'm curious.
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
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FYI **NEW** Chocolate Chris Roberts Ink Blot Twin now available in 8.0" not listed on Crail site yet...
Looks like it is an 8.0 x 31.8 Skatewarehouse lists WB at 14"... CCS lists the WB at 14.25" I had my local order x5 from their distributor to see what they are like.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Chocolate_Roberts_Ink_Blot_TWIN_TIP_Deck/descpage-CHRIB8DK.html)
https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00 (https://shop.ccs.com/products/chocolate-ink-blot-roberts-skateboard-deck-8-00)
Exactly what they needed in their catalog, my guess is their twin shapes are their best sellers so it made sense to do a 8.0 variant. 14" WB would be a great fit with Venture 5.2 Lo Forged, definitely feeling some tingling on my inside-y parts.
Its long for an 8, but I guess its the same length as G069 and G096
Fuckin paddles ...
Yeah, I was hoping they'd make this a 31.5 with ~6.6 nose/tail.
I don't math so good.
My guess is they just trimmed the sides of the g069
But according to google.
Ishod 8.0:
CENTER WIDTH (IN): 8.0
LENGTH (IN): 31.5
WHEELBASE (IN): 14.3
NOSE (IN): 6.55
TAIL (IN): 6.55
G069:
Width:8.25″
Length:31.875″
Wheelbase:14″
Nose:6.84″
Tail:6.84″
G080 (my guess):
Width:8″
Length:31.875″
Wheelbase:14″
Nose:6.84″
Tail:6.84″
G086 (my wish):
Width:8″
Length:31.555″
Wheelbase:14″
Nose:6.6″
Tail:6.6″
Edit: math
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Got x5 G080 8.0” Chocolate Ink Blot twins in today. Engraved specs match what I posted earlier, however there was a sticker listing a 14.25WB as well :o
BOARD SPECS MATCH THE ENGRAVED SPECS!!!
I did skate a deck for about an hour today, and it is definitely more responsive than the Ishod twin. The kicks are a tad longer, but with the smaller wheelbase it makes it feel like a smaller board and manuals are a tad bit more forgiving. Nollie pop timing is different, and I am gonna have to get used to that, due to the board popping a tad sooner.
Also a welcome surprise was the matte finish on the graphic & embossed "Chris Roberts" very small on each side of the Red Square in the middle of the deck.
(https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82832.0;attach=24495;image)
(https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82832.0;attach=24497;image)
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
I DM'd Louie (like a man):
"We are trying to dial in a shape right now, and hopefully by the fall have them in the line"
Would be great if they did their own twin mold vs Habitat / AWS, their lengths are tough to get used to.
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
I DM'd Louie (like a man):
"We are trying to dial in a shape right now, and hopefully by the fall have them in the line"
Would be great if they did their own twin mold vs Habitat / AWS, their lengths are tough to get used to.
I didn't check the latest Jacuzzi boards, but Dwindle in general seemed to have shorter wheelbases on a lot of their usual boards, so it would make sense to have twins with 14.25 wb or similar as well.
* Had a bit of a look, 8 has 14.0 wb, 8.25 and 8.5 have 14.25 so that would be about right.
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
I DM'd Louie (like a man):
"We are trying to dial in a shape right now, and hopefully by the fall have them in the line"
Would be great if they did their own twin mold vs Habitat / AWS, their lengths are tough to get used to.
I didn't check the latest Jacuzzi boards, but Dwindle in general seemed to have shorter wheelbases on a lot of their usual boards, so it would make sense to have twins with 14.25 wb or similar as well.
* Had a bit of a look, 8 has 14.0 wb, 8.25 and 8.5 have 14.25 so that would be about right.
They have a 8.5 with a 14.5, John Dilo's shape they carried over from Almost
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
I DM'd Louie (like a man):
"We are trying to dial in a shape right now, and hopefully by the fall have them in the line"
Would be great if they did their own twin mold vs Habitat / AWS, their lengths are tough to get used to.
I didn't check the latest Jacuzzi boards, but Dwindle in general seemed to have shorter wheelbases on a lot of their usual boards, so it would make sense to have twins with 14.25 wb or similar as well.
* Had a bit of a look, 8 has 14.0 wb, 8.25 and 8.5 have 14.25 so that would be about right.
They have a 8.5 with a 14.5, John Dilo's shape they carried over from Almost
Must have been the team board, with a teddy bear or something that was 14.25 wb on 8.5 (Louie board - I checked) but as long as John Dillo doesn't get a twin board, you should be good.
That's the plan anyway.
* Not this one - this one has 14.0 wb unless they have an error in the listing.
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/jacuzzi-john-dilo-secret-formula-8-5-skateboard-deck
WIDTH
8.5
LENGTH
32.3
WHEEL BASE
14.0
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
I DM'd Louie (like a man):
"We are trying to dial in a shape right now, and hopefully by the fall have them in the line"
Would be great if they did their own twin mold vs Habitat / AWS, their lengths are tough to get used to.
I didn't check the latest Jacuzzi boards, but Dwindle in general seemed to have shorter wheelbases on a lot of their usual boards, so it would make sense to have twins with 14.25 wb or similar as well.
* Had a bit of a look, 8 has 14.0 wb, 8.25 and 8.5 have 14.25 so that would be about right.
They have a 8.5 with a 14.5, John Dilo's shape they carried over from Almost
Must have been the team board, with a teddy bear or something that was 14.25 wb on 8.5 (Louie board - I checked) but as long as John Dillo doesn't get a twin board, you should be good.
That's the plan anyway.
* Not this one - this one has 14.0 wb unless they have an error in the listing.
https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/jacuzzi-john-dilo-secret-formula-8-5-skateboard-deck
WIDTH
8.5
LENGTH
32.3
WHEEL BASE
14.0
Looks like a typo from OCB, listed as a 14.5 on the Jacuzzi Unlimited website.
https://jacuzziunlimited.com/products/john-dilo-secret-formula-ex7-deck-8-5
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Santa Cruz released some new twin models:
Asta 8.2 width, 32 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
and
McCoy 8.4 width, 32.05 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-20in-x-32-00in-asta-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538239549597
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-40in-x-32-05in-mccoy-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538238501021
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Just making sure you guys know that Dilo posted about a twin nose shape in his story yesterday.
Hopefully some new twin options coming soon
https://www.instagram.com/louiebarletta/reel/C3Dl8HopyLN/?hl=en
Pleaaaaase normal wheebases and lengths....Really hope they do something unique to the brand since it's DSM...proper 8.3 would be nice.
On the comments he said 14.25 and 13.75
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Santa Cruz released some new twin models:
Asta 8.2 width, 32 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
and
McCoy 8.4 width, 32.05 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-20in-x-32-00in-asta-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538239549597
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-40in-x-32-05in-mccoy-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538238501021
Not a fan of the Maurio graphic but those are some nice dimensions, finally every major manufacturer is getting on the twin wagon!
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Santa Cruz released some new twin models:
Asta 8.2 width, 32 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
and
McCoy 8.4 width, 32.05 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-20in-x-32-00in-asta-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538239549597
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-40in-x-32-05in-mccoy-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538238501021
Those sound amazing. Look like shit though, but I'd buy them on sale for sure
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Santa Cruz released some new twin models:
Asta 8.2 width, 32 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
and
McCoy 8.4 width, 32.05 length, 14.2 wheelbase and 6.80 for nose and tail
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-20in-x-32-00in-asta-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538239549597
https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/8-40in-x-32-05in-mccoy-cosmic-twin-pro-santa-cruz-skateboard-deck?variant=44538238501021
Could be worse, at least is symmetrical graphic.
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That Asta graphic is hawt, haters :)
I'm going to bite on that McCoy, interested dims...I think my OCD can let the 32.05" slide.
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That Asta graphic is hawt, haters :)
I'm going to bite on that McCoy, interested dims...I think my OCD can let the 32.05" slide.
He's been running the Cosmic Cat graphic for a while, I'm down with that. I hope they just release these in regular 7-ply and slick without the VX, I can't deal with the $20 price increase with faster razor tail.
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That Asta graphic is hawt, haters :)
I'm going to bite on that McCoy, interested dims...I think my OCD can let the 32.05" slide.
He's been running the Cosmic Cat graphic for a while, I'm down with that. I hope they just release these in regular 7-ply and slick without the VX, I can't deal with the $20 price increase with faster razor tail.
These are regular 7ply.
Yup, Razortail keeps me off VX/flight each and every time I think about getting one as I remember back to how fast the one I skated filed down; I suck at manuals but do them, and I'm not breaking boards so don't need it.
FYI - the MM boards dims are listed above incorrectly, 32.5 is a hard pass for me,might dip on that Asta tho:
(https://i.ibb.co/yFfDF1d/Screenshot-2024-02-08-190921.png) (https://ibb.co/yFfDF1d)
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That Asta graphic is hawt, haters :)
I'm going to bite on that McCoy, interested dims...I think my OCD can let the 32.05" slide.
He's been running the Cosmic Cat graphic for a while, I'm down with that. I hope they just release these in regular 7-ply and slick without the VX, I can't deal with the $20 price increase with faster razor tail.
These are regular 7ply.
Yup, Razortail keeps me off VX/flight each and every time I think about getting one as I remember back to how fast the one I skated filed down; I suck at manuals but do them, and I'm not breaking boards so don't need it.
FYI - the MM boards dims are listed above incorrectly, 32.5 is a hard pass for me,might dip on that Asta tho:
(https://i.ibb.co/yFfDF1d/Screenshot-2024-02-08-190921.png) (https://ibb.co/yFfDF1d)
Doing the calculations on that, it just doesn't add up to much more than 32 so 32.05 is more likely than 32.5 in length, regardless of what it shows on the board.
I recall one board having dimensions listed on it like that which were incorrect, but I guess you wouldn't want to be the person to get one just to check and have it not work out for you.
8.4 x 32.05 with 14.24 wb and 6.8 kicks seems way more likely.
The other one is 8.25 x 32 with 14.2 wb and same 6.8 kicks so that all adds up. A plus 0.04 wb addition matches the 0.05 length sort of, but not a 0.5 increase in length.
The info on the spec sheet looks correct, so you could look up the shape and see if it has been used before, SC-390.
Deck Construction
7-ply
Deck Length (Inches)
32.05
Deck Noselength (Inches)
6.80
Deck Shape
SC-390
Deck Taillength (Inches)
6.80
Deck Wheelbase (Inches)
14.25
Deck Width (Inches)
8.40
SKU
11117107
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I tend to trust engraved specs over listed (that's just me) but something is off, truck mount area would come out to 2.3" that's a bit larger than normal.
SC-390/1 are new shapes.
Guess we'll have to wait and see when it's out in the wild.
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After skating the new Crail G080 8.0" twin for a couple sessions, I think it might be exactly what I needed. The 14" wheelbase fits my shorter legs a lot better and I feel like I have overall better control of the board.
Manuals are much better than before as I have a tad more room for error, as compared to the Ishod I have been skating for 1.5 years, manuals were like an on/off switch...
Next, just need to relearn the flick timing & nollie pop timing :)
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After skating the new Crail G080 8.0" twin for a couple sessions, I think it might be exactly what I needed. The 14" wheelbase fits my shorter legs a lot better and I feel like I have overall better control of the board.
Manuals are much better than before as I have a tad more room for error, as compared to the Ishod I have been skating for 1.5 years, manuals were like an on/off switch...
Next, just need to relearn the flick timing & nollie pop timing :)
The agility and consistency of crail's 14"wb twin was remarkable for me. Felt like I actually had some board control instead of forcing every trick. A bit strange keeping my feet closer together, but once I found my footing, I felt like I had the power.
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After skating the new Crail G080 8.0" twin for a couple sessions, I think it might be exactly what I needed. The 14" wheelbase fits my shorter legs a lot better and I feel like I have overall better control of the board.
Manuals are much better than before as I have a tad more room for error, as compared to the Ishod I have been skating for 1.5 years, manuals were like an on/off switch...
Next, just need to relearn the flick timing & nollie pop timing :)
The agility and consistency of crail's 14"wb twin was remarkable for me. Felt like I actually had some board control instead of forcing every trick. A bit strange keeping my feet closer together, but once I found my footing, I felt like I had the power.
I had the G069 and yes, consistency is crazy. I was 10 days without missing a kickflip and I suck. It was pretty cool.
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I tend to trust engraved specs over listed (that's just me) but something is off, truck mount area would come out to 2.3" that's a bit larger than normal.
SC-390/1 are new shapes.
Guess we'll have to wait and see when it's out in the wild.
NHS CS says the board engraving is correct...we'll have to wait and see!
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New Foy:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Deathwish_Foy_Only_Dreaming_TWIN_Deck/descpage-DWFODDK.html
(https://i.ibb.co/khfY8Dy/1-DDEWFOYONDT850.jpg) (https://ibb.co/khfY8Dy)
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Anyone tried the Ishod 8.75" Twin yet?
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Anyone tried the Ishod 8.75" Twin yet?
Local shop hasn't sold theirs yet... I thought it would go quickly!
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Set up a Ishod 8.3 twin and it felt a lot more nimble than my Bobby Krooked twin? I put the Krooked over my setup and it fit perfectly. I had stepped on the old deck before taking it off and it definitely felt bigger than my new setup.
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Set up a Ishod 8.3 twin and it felt a lot more nimble than my Bobby Krooked twin? I put the Krooked over my setup and it fit perfectly. I had stepped on the old deck before taking it off and it definitely felt bigger than my new setup.
Concave? Angle of kicks? Even where the grip sits on a board can change the way it looks and feels - had that with a few of the same boards over the years. Thought I was going nuts, but other people stood on them and said the same, where one feels bigger than the other, even though they are the same dimensions, etc.
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After skating the new Crail G080 8.0" twin for a couple sessions, I think it might be exactly what I needed. The 14" wheelbase fits my shorter legs a lot better and I feel like I have overall better control of the board.
Manuals are much better than before as I have a tad more room for error, as compared to the Ishod I have been skating for 1.5 years, manuals were like an on/off switch...
Next, just need to relearn the flick timing & nollie pop timing :)
I've seen the 8.0 Malto twin on a few sketch sites. Anyone seen one for sale at a legit store?
Chris Roberts mentioned Girl was coming out with an 8" twin a few months back and have been wanting to pick one up.
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Heroin Spring '24
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3TOXYHv7Fo/?hl=en&img_index=9
(https://i.ibb.co/ftycwnT/Screenshot-2024-02-13-133725.png) (https://ibb.co/ftycwnT)
14" WB =( https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Heroin_Day_Flies_Deck/descpage-HRDFLDK.html
(https://i.ibb.co/nRSYK0c/Screenshot-2024-02-13-133938.png) (https://ibb.co/nRSYK0c)
14.125 =(
(https://i.ibb.co/dpTywz1/Screenshot-2024-02-13-134047.png) (https://ibb.co/dpTywz1)
14.125 =(
(https://i.ibb.co/5vZdCWG/Screenshot-2024-02-13-134142.png) (https://ibb.co/5vZdCWG)
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(https://i.ibb.co/ftycwnT/Screenshot-2024-02-13-133725.png) (https://ibb.co/ftycwnT)
14" WB =( https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Heroin_Day_Flies_Deck/descpage-HRDFLDK.html
Those are some great looking dimensions, on BBS no less, may have to swap out the Habitat twins for these soon
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(https://i.ibb.co/ftycwnT/Screenshot-2024-02-13-133725.png) (https://ibb.co/ftycwnT)
14" WB =( https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Heroin_Day_Flies_Deck/descpage-HRDFLDK.html
Those are some great looking dimensions, on BBS no less, may have to swap out the Habitat twins for these soon
I was all in until I saw the 14" WB...also other sites listing as 32"..been tracking a deathwish 8.5" non-twin and four different sites, including DW, have totally different specs..how fkn hard is it? I swear I don't know another industry as sloppy as this one when it comes to sizing and/or the actual companies taking pride and making sure their shit is listed accurately on third party sites, let alone their own.../rant
Lowkey want that double shovel...but knowing the 14.125" WB won't work for me, even with forged ventures I'm gonna have to pass,
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https://www.tactics.com/heroin/day-flies-85-symmetrical-skateboard-deck
Tactics has it listed as 32 x 14 which is still manageable, but it's strange that all the major retailers are listing it as 32 instead of 31.8. Makes me wonder if the communications emails from Heroin had a typo or Tactics / SWH are just copying each others homework.
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https://www.tactics.com/heroin/day-flies-85-symmetrical-skateboard-deck
Tactics has it listed as 32 x 14 which is still manageable, but it's strange that all the major retailers are listing it as 32 instead of 31.8. Makes me wonder if the communications emails from Heroin had a typo or Tactics / SWH are just copying each others homework.
I was just watching the Fos eggzila long post on the heroin IG. He said that measurements always change from catalog to production, but he measures the whole production run himself and what's on the website is accurate.
but then there's the whole inconsistency thing iwith how people measure.
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https://www.tactics.com/heroin/day-flies-85-symmetrical-skateboard-deck
Tactics has it listed as 32 x 14 which is still manageable, but it's strange that all the major retailers are listing it as 32 instead of 31.8. Makes me wonder if the communications emails from Heroin had a typo or Tactics / SWH are just copying each others homework.
I was just watching the Fos eggzila long post on the heroin IG. He said that measurements always change from catalog to production, but he measures the whole production run himself and what's on the website is accurate.
but then there's the whole inconsistency thing iwith how people measure.
I had thought that it would work out as about 6.8 kicks, but Tactics has it as 7" kicks on that board, which is pretty long for a twin.
Maybe more so twin nose, but either way, some people might enjoy it, especially with longer wb trucks, like Ventures or similar.
Is this more of the shorter wheelbase trend happening, seeing a lot more boards with shorter wb in general from this and other brands?
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Def a trend, stumps, tru fit, etc..
It's still a struggle for me on a 14.125" WB with ventures...it's crazy how much i can feel the WB...
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Has anyone been finding the Ishod/Bobby 8.38s anywhere that a normal human could afford?
@Gland Dongzig
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=59883.msg4158744#msg4158744
SW has the the last bobby drop on clearance, $63 and change
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Opera [DSM!!!] Twin! Slick!
https://socalskateshop.com/Opera-Twins-EX7-Pop-Slick-Symmetrical-Skateboard-Deck-Red-Black-8-5x31-9.html#!?cc_decks=133961&c=cc_grip-tape
(https://thebasement.ae/cdn/shop/files/OPR510028_OPERA_DECK_POPSLICK_TWIN_8.25_TOP_180x_fd91dedc-3351-437f-ac32-f44e5d9a7aa1.webp?v=1705075071&width=990)(https://thebasement.ae/cdn/shop/files/0004_OPR510028_OPERA_DECK_POPSLICK_TWIN_8.25.webp?v=1705075071&width=990)
7-ply 100% North American Maple with Epoxy Glue
Pop-Slick, same wood pop with extra slide
Symmetrical
Individually Pressed
8.25 x 31.9 WB: 14.0
8.5 x 31.9 WB: 14.0
(Guessing 6.9"/6.95ish kicks)
Shape looks sick, nice and rounded off square kicks..slick...DSM wood buuuuuut a fucking 14" WB...
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Damn, those went super fast
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Damn, those went super fast
There was 1 in stock, some kook on here must have scooped it up.
Source: I am said kook
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Damn, those went super fast
There was 1 in stock, some kook on here must have scooped it up.
Source: I am said kook
Plenty out there
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Opera_Twins_Symmetrical_Pop_Slick_Deck/descpage-OPTSDK.html
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/opera-skateboards-twins-skateboard-deck-slick-8.25x31.9
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Damn, those went super fast
There was 1 in stock, some kook on here must have scooped it up.
Source: I am said kook
Plenty out there
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Opera_Twins_Symmetrical_Pop_Slick_Deck/descpage-OPTSDK.html
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/opera-skateboards-twins-skateboard-deck-slick-8.25x31.9
Yeah but neither of them are the 8.5
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Damn, those went super fast
There was 1 in stock, some kook on here must have scooped it up.
Source: I am said kook
Plenty out there
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Opera_Twins_Symmetrical_Pop_Slick_Deck/descpage-OPTSDK.html
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/opera-skateboards-twins-skateboard-deck-slick-8.25x31.9
Yeah but neither of them are the 8.5
Maybe look for yourself? I just grabbed whatever link popped up...8.5s are there...
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/opera-skateboards-twins-skateboard-deck-slick-8.5x31.9
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Did that Crailtap 8" twin get thrown on websites too fast?
I tried to order one earlier and now every link is dead.
CCS and Skate Warehouse had them.
Even the Crailtap website still doesn't mention that G088 pattern.
Excited to see it was a 14" WB and wanted to snag one.
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Did that Crailtap 8" twin get thrown on websites too fast?
I tried to order one earlier and now every link is dead.
CCS and Skate Warehouse had them.
Even the Crailtap website still doesn't mention that G088 pattern.
Excited to see it was a 14" WB and wanted to snag one.
Its G080 Shape BTW
https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w47-d1-chocolate-roberts-ink-blot-twin-tip-deck/#filter:type=decks&rider=chris-roberts (https://crailstore.com/collections/everything/products/w47-d1-chocolate-roberts-ink-blot-twin-tip-deck/#filter:type=decks&rider=chris-roberts)
https://skateparkoftampa.com/chocolate-chris-roberts-ink-blot-twin-tip-deck-black-96011-5 (https://skateparkoftampa.com/chocolate-chris-roberts-ink-blot-twin-tip-deck-black-96011-5)
https://tgmskateboards.com/chocolate-skateboard-deck-roberts-ink-blot-twin-black-8-0-x-31-88/ (https://tgmskateboards.com/chocolate-skateboard-deck-roberts-ink-blot-twin-black-8-0-x-31-88/)
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Asta skating his new twin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVCexEhSbs
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
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https://primitiveskate.com/collections/frontpage/products/rodriguez-twin-nose-eagle-deck-ssp24?variant=40561822564414
Paul releasing a twin nose board on Primitive in 8.25" and 8.5"
https://youtu.be/X9a2xCJj6X4
you can see he makes a video about riding this board but it hasn't been available for sale until now (maybe it has before and I missed it)
https://youtu.be/geTeaAQv3WA
he made another video here saying he actually decided to shrink it down to 8.125".
The problem with these videos is, he never actually tells you how long the nose is.
If I had to guess, it would be 7" - I think anything bigger would be silly and that is pretty standard size for Primitive nose as well.
I found one website that lists the wheelbase as 14.5" on the 8.5"
https://www.zumiez.ca/primitive-rodriguez-eagle-twin-8-5-skateboard-deck-ca.html
I would hope the wb is shorter on the 8.25" version - closer to what Paul rides I'd think.
anyone have any solid information about these decks? I am probably going to order one anyway.
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https://primitiveskate.com/collections/decks-nav/products/rodriguez-twin-nose-eagle-deck-ssp24?variant=40561822564414
If they cleared out their warehouse and gave away a Tesla for this, then the wait is forgiven.
They haven't updated their shape guide / fitting guide to include the twin dimensions, looks like they recently added a 8.63 shape to the catalog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ESp6gr00Q&ab_channel=PaulRodriguez
You get a glimpse of it when he's skating with Cole after the premiere, if they do it in their standard 8.25 dimensions, take the nose in and give it to the tail they'd be set.
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
Width: 8,5”
Height: 31,75”
Wheelbase: 14,21”
Tail: 6,79”
Nose: 6,79”
https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/ (https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/)
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
Toy Machine
https://toymachine.com/toy-machine-bury-the-hatchet-8-50-board-827059060799.html
Man, Primitive release the dims!
Edit 1: Width: 8.5" x Length: 32" x Wheelbase: 14.5" (from Primitive CS)
Edit 2: Width: 8.25" x Length: 31.85" x Wheelbase: 14" (from Primitive CS)
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/
Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/
Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/
Thanks!
I will get things updated when I have a minute.
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/
Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/
Wonder how's the quality
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https://primitiveskate.com/collections/decks-nav/products/rodriguez-twin-nose-eagle-deck-ssp24?variant=40561822564414
If they cleared out their warehouse and gave away a Tesla for this, then the wait is forgiven.
They haven't updated their shape guide / fitting guide to include the twin dimensions, looks like they recently added a 8.63 shape to the catalog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ESp6gr00Q&ab_channel=PaulRodriguez
You get a glimpse of it when he's skating with Cole after the premiere, if they do it in their standard 8.25 dimensions, take the nose in and give it to the tail they'd be set.
the fitting guide doesnt even have the franky shape! and its been out for ages. But they also have a new egg shape (its on a franky gold board board + a bob marley board) out now at 8.75" and i believe this is actually going to be Kyonsuke's shape based off seeing what he was skating in that video. P Rod said that Dylan Jaeb was the one who came up with the twin nose in that first video i posted. i think they are super confused because now they dont know what to do because they have multiple entries at 8.25" and 8.5" so they are going to have to re-think that fitting guide.
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https://primitiveskate.com/collections/decks-nav/products/rodriguez-twin-nose-eagle-deck-ssp24?variant=40561822564414
If they cleared out their warehouse and gave away a Tesla for this, then the wait is forgiven.
They haven't updated their shape guide / fitting guide to include the twin dimensions, looks like they recently added a 8.63 shape to the catalog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8ESp6gr00Q&ab_channel=PaulRodriguez
You get a glimpse of it when he's skating with Cole after the premiere, if they do it in their standard 8.25 dimensions, take the nose in and give it to the tail they'd be set.
the fitting guide doesnt even have the franky shape! and its been out for ages. But they also have a new egg shape (its on a franky gold board board + a bob marley board) out now at 8.75" and i believe this is actually going to be Kyonsuke's shape based off seeing what he was skating in that video. P Rod said that Dylan Jaeb was the one who came up with the twin nose in that first video i posted. i think they are super confused because now they dont know what to do because they have multiple entries at 8.25" and 8.5" so they are going to have to re-think that fitting guide.
I'm sure they have a graphic designer and web guy in-house, shouldn't take them too long right? Right?
Thought I'd make a list of brands with twins and by size for reference, I'll start but feel free to chip in.
8.0
Real
Chocolate
Glider
8.125
Glider
8.25
Real
Girl
Chocolate
Habitat
Santa Cruz
Deathwish
Opera
Toy Machine
Glider
8.38
Real
Krooked
Habitat
Alien Workshop
Quasi
Glider
8.5
Real
Habitat
Santa Cruz
Welcome
Heroin
Toy Machine
Glider
Roger
8.75
Real
Heroin
9.0 <
Heroin
Off the top of my head at 1am.
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
Toy Machine
https://toymachine.com/toy-machine-bury-the-hatchet-8-50-board-827059060799.html
Man, Primitive release the dims!
Edit 1: Width: 8.5" x Length: 32" x Wheelbase: 14.5" (from Primitive CS)
Edit 2: Width: 8.25" x Length: 31.85" x Wheelbase: 14" (from Primitive CS)
The 8.25 Primitives are the only 14" WB I can ride for some reason so I might give it a try...it is shorter by a hair (the 8.25" is usually 31.875") so I'm gonna guess they pulled the nose in a bit and extended the tail a bit putting them around 6.9" kicks.
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck (https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck)
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/ (https://quarterdist.com/)
Just a small headsup but the wording on the production page (https://quarterdist.com/production-eng/) makes it sound like the boards themselves are not actually constructed in house.
We source the blank decks from factories with decades of experience in production and development.
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/
Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/
Updated.
I was trying to find out where / when things might have changed, but I think it could have been last year, 2023 with Quarter increasing their business and taking on some local accounts, as well as Blast Skates when Gnosis woodshop closed.
That's about all I have to go on, but either way, it is always good to have the list as current as possible, as most of the brands would never provide a lot of info.
Just a small headsup but the wording on the production page (https://quarterdist.com/production-eng/) makes it sound like the boards themselves are not actually constructed in house.
We source the blank decks from factories with decades of experience in production and development.
Yeah they import bulk boards from China, which is not a bad thing, given they don't try to cover it up or hide the fact that they don't make the boards themselves.
Some of those Blast Skates boards are pretty cool shapes too, which is interesting to see, but people who have skated them say they are good boards, or good enough not to worry.
:)
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I am riding these:
https://firstskateshop.com/en-eu/collections/superply/products/twin-tail-blank-deck
Made in Germany, also ship bulk:
https://quarterdist.com/
Wait so Poetic is made there in Germany not by Control as listed in the Woodshop thread? @Woodshop https://quarterdist.com/brands-eng/
Updated.
I was trying to find out where / when things might have changed, but I think it could have been last year, 2023 with Quarter increasing their business and taking on some local accounts, as well as Blast Skates when Gnosis woodshop closed.
That's about all I have to go on, but either way, it is always good to have the list as current as possible, as most of the brands would never provide a lot of info.
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Just a small headsup but the wording on the production page (https://quarterdist.com/production-eng/) makes it sound like the boards themselves are not actually constructed in house.
We source the blank decks from factories with decades of experience in production and development.
Yeah they import bulk boards from China, which is not a bad thing, given they don't try to cover it up or hide the fact that they don't make the boards themselves.
Some of those Blast Skates boards are pretty cool shapes too, which is interesting to see, but people who have skated them say they are good boards, or good enough not to worry.
:)
The quality of the blanks is second to none. I will report on the Blast once I have deflowered it.
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Not sure if they’ve been posted, but Santa Cruz has some twin tails for McCoy and Asta:
https://www.tactics.com/santa-cruz/mccoy-cosmic-84-twin-shape-skateboard-deck
https://www.tactics.com/santa-cruz/asta-cosmic-82-twin-shape-skateboard-deck
I have an 8.25 VX McCoy that’s a twin. But I’ve never seen that 8.4 one 🤔
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Just one page back my dude...
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Just one page back my dude...
Ah okay 😅
My bad.
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I'm sure they have a graphic designer and web guy in-house, shouldn't take them too long right? Right?
Thought I'd make a list of brands with twins and by size for reference, I'll start but feel free to chip in.
Off the top of my head at 1am.
Girl/Chocolate makes a twin 8.5 also
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Anyone have experience with the Chocolate Roberts twin tip 8.5 shape? I usually skate BBS 8.5s on Indys (14.5 x 32.2 specs) soooo my questions lie here:
Is there that excessive fingers of flat Crail is known for?
Is the WB manageable with Indys or is it too long or short?
Is the concave mellower or more full bodied like most BBS 8.5s?
Are the kicks steeper in angle or mellower?
I have some Venture 5.8s and Thunder 151s I'm considering breaking my Indy streak with if either work well with the Crob twin tip. I'm 5' 10" and mostly legs so that's why I prefer 14.25 - 14.5 WB. Thanks!!
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Anyone have experience with the Chocolate Roberts twin tip 8.5 shape? I usually skate BBS 8.5s on Indys (14.5 x 32.2 specs) soooo my questions lie here:
Is there that excessive fingers of flat Crail is known for?
Is the WB manageable with Indys or is it too long or short?
Is the concave mellower or more full bodied like most BBS 8.5s?
Are the kicks steeper in angle or mellower?
I have some Venture 5.8s and Thunder 151s I'm considering breaking my Indy streak with if either work well with the Crob twin tip. I'm 5' 10" and mostly legs so that's why I prefer 14.25 - 14.5 WB. Thanks!!
YMMV but I tried the 8.25 (they're essentially the same barring width of course) and tried every truck combo I could but that 14" WB - I just can't do it - I've since moved on to 14.3x or 14.5 wb...the best feeling trucks were 5.8s with forged plates....but it was still too cramped.
Fingers of flat was not as crazy as their regular shapes and the concave felt about the same as other crail boards but perhaps slightly less kick angle more mellow but that might be due to kick length (last one I skated other than the akins was a go27, shorter tail)?
One thing I noticed, that made go check my other boards was how heavy the 8.25 twin was...checked my 8.5 Akins...each one was heavier than any like sized board I had...in fact, the 8.25 crail twin was significantly heavier than my 8.5x32" toy machine twin...and I mean there was a huge difference both in hand and riding them (using the same venture and wheel combo); I never noticed they were so chunky...hell even BBS feels heavy and dull compared to PS to me now.
Side note: g096/go69 are no longer listed under the shape guide....weird.
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Anyone have experience with the Chocolate Roberts twin tip 8.5 shape? I usually skate BBS 8.5s on Indys (14.5 x 32.2 specs) soooo my questions lie here:
Is there that excessive fingers of flat Crail is known for?
Is the WB manageable with Indys or is it too long or short?
Is the concave mellower or more full bodied like most BBS 8.5s?
Are the kicks steeper in angle or mellower?
I have some Venture 5.8s and Thunder 151s I'm considering breaking my Indy streak with if either work well with the Crob twin tip. I'm 5' 10" and mostly legs so that's why I prefer 14.25 - 14.5 WB. Thanks!!
I've post about my love for that shape a number of times. Xen always has a good write up, but we differ on WB preferences.
The 14" wb really pulls the shape together for me. Felt strange on the first sesh, but by the second I had nice and consistent feel. I run it with Indy 149s and it always feels great under my feet.
I agree that it is overall on the mellower side, to me there's a beautiful amount of concave and tail pitch. Might get sorta weird on bigger wheels, but I've only skated 54mm on it so can't really say.
I love how blocky the tips are.
I had the same questions/reservations, but it's definitely worth trying imo. I'd grab the crail sale box, get a shape you know you like and ask for the twin tip as the second deck.
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Gnarred both of you!
Appreciate the feedback! It's all good info, and I'm happy to hear positive reviews. Exactly what's bringing me to try it because I remember reading and seeing that here and on IG/YT from people trying them.
I'm slightly worried about the 14" WB because I already tried the Couch 9.25 shaped deck on 159s, but it felt a lil cramped and not as stable with speed. Tre flips spun like a dream, but everything else felt off. Too many fingers of flat so nose and tail slides never locked in right. Manuals were inconsistent. Not enough length/heft for my inseam (about 32") is what I figured.
If the G096 can remedy most of those previous issues via fewer fingers of flat, not be as cramped, and work well with Thunder or Venture (assuming I like either after Indy for 13 years straight) then I'm hopeful. If anything, I can always learn to like it on Indys and fight my learned preferences
My wheel preference sits between 52 and 54 SF F4 Conical/Conical Full, so they'll likely work just fine
Sale box may be the way to try them, sweet! I don't remember what other shapes I like from Crail since the last time I enjoyed their decks was 2007-2009 on Thunders or Royals probably
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You could always try the toy machine or Deathwish Foy twins.
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You could always try the toy machine or Deathwish Foy twins.
I think I'm gonna try the deathwish foy twin but I wanna redrill an old g096 +.25 on each side for a 14.5 wheelbase.
Real weird that the g096/69 have been unlisted from the shape guide. Maybe they're making adjustments to the mold or taking the shapes off for the season?
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You could always try the toy machine or Deathwish Foy twins.
I looked at the Foy in a shop yesterday and it looked okay! Baker/Deathwish have this weirdly pointed nose on most of their shapes. I know people like it, but I never did since i prefer rounder, fuller noses usually. Which is why I ask about Chocolate, since they've always had that general shape, even on their recent twins.
Otherwise, specs on Real and DW twins for 8.5 do seem more than adequate for me to enjoy skating.
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That’s the thing about about the Foy that I really liked it’s not that Baker pointy tip (I can't stand it or DLXs pointy-ness on some of their boards), but I fully expect the Baker Twin to be pointy; its also the reason I never jelled with the B16.
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
Toy Machine
https://toymachine.com/toy-machine-bury-the-hatchet-8-50-board-827059060799.html
Man, Primitive release the dims!
Edit 1: Width: 8.5" x Length: 32" x Wheelbase: 14.5" (from Primitive CS)
Edit 2: Width: 8.25" x Length: 31.85" x Wheelbase: 14" (from Primitive CS)
The 8.25 Primitives are the only 14" WB I can ride for some reason so I might give it a try...it is shorter by a hair (the 8.25" is usually 31.875") so I'm gonna guess they pulled the nose in a bit and extended the tail a bit putting them around 6.9" kicks.
thanks for getting this info :)
8.25" one sounds so good on ventures.
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Damn, Craig ships quick! I requested two 8.5 twin tips thinking I'd get only one and a G033 but got both G096 in both colors (white/black & black/white) with that 2 x $80 box. ;D
I'm impressed with the shape and lack of fingers of flat (other Crail shapes have too much for me). I think I'm gonna enjoy skating these just from the look down factor. That said, kick steepness is not as much as the BBS I usually skate, but I think I'll manage.
I have Thunder 151 and Venture 5.8 (I've never skated Ventures, except trying a friend's board once), so I haven't decided which of these to try. My 149 Indys will make it too short of a WB for me. Decisions Decisions ???
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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.
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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.
Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint ;) I like the new one.
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Damn, Craig ships quick! I requested two 8.5 twin tips thinking I'd get only one and a G033 but got both G096 in both colors (white/black & black/white) with that 2 x $80 box. ;D
I'm impressed with the shape and lack of fingers of flat (other Crail shapes have too much for me). I think I'm gonna enjoy skating these just from the look down factor. That said, kick steepness is not as much as the BBS I usually skate, but I think I'll manage.
I have Thunder 151 and Venture 5.8 (I've never skated Ventures, except trying a friend's board once), so I haven't decided which of these to try. My 149 Indys will make it too short of a WB for me. Decisions Decisions ???
Fuck yeah! I try to swoop one of those box deals each time they drop. Hope you find the sweet spot on your truck selection. I'd offer input .. but I've never skated Thunders or Ventures :-X
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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.
Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint ;) I like the new one.
(https://i.imgur.com/pxBalpp.jpeg)
This one, it was €51 with Jessup so I can pass the graphic that at least is symmetrical (hate twin boards with non symmetrical graphics)
Can't find the dims on the tails anywhere and is driving me crazy.
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Primitive wb is 13.875.
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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.
Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint ;) I like the new one.
This one, it was €51 with Jessup so I can pass the graphic that at least is symmetrical (hate twin boards with non symmetrical graphics)
Can't find the dims on the tails anywhere and is driving me crazy.
Huh, never seen that one before!
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Found a Deathwish twin tail with a questionable graphic but it could be worse.
I'll get it later today.
Which one? =) I've got a gator on ice, ugly but I like the sparkle paint ;) I like the new one.
This one, it was €51 with Jessup so I can pass the graphic that at least is symmetrical (hate twin boards with non symmetrical graphics)
Can't find the dims on the tails anywhere and is driving me crazy.
Huh, never seen that one before!
Deathwish "Hidden inside"
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Primitive wb is 13.875.
8.25 x 31.85L i think he said the Nose's?? Were 6.9
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8.25 x 31.85L i think he said the Nose's?? Were 6.9
Looks alright
Primitive CS (via email) said 14.5" for the 8.5 and 14" for the 8.25" guess we won't know until someone has one on hand?
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Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers
Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks
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Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers
Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks
i feel like 13.8 is waaaaay too small unless you rider ventures. id be pleased if most ran either a 14 or 14.25 or 14.1 and 14.38 (very dlx oriented wb)
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Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers
Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks
I agree! Perhaps these brands will explore longer WB now that twins have been out for a decent while?
I do suspect most twin tail or noses are this short of a WB to make up for the increased tail and shortened nose lengths. Gives the illusion that it rides like a longer WB and feels balanced, but I'm not sold on that logic, as numbers don't lie in regards to actual effects. Indys on a 13.875 for anyone 5' 9" or taller just sounds too cramped
I've got a new Crob twin tip I'm going to set up with Thunders or Ventures to experiment with soon. I may throw my Indys on there to see how those feel, too
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Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers
Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks
I agree! Perhaps these brands will explore longer WB now that twins have been out for a decent while?
I do suspect most twin tail or noses are this short of a WB to make up for the increased tail and shortened nose lengths. Gives the illusion that it rides like a longer WB and feels balanced, but I'm not sold on that logic, as numbers don't lie in regards to actual effects. Indys on a 13.875 for anyone 5' 9" or taller just sounds too cramped
I've got a new Crob twin tip I'm going to set up with Thunders or Ventures to experiment with soon. I may throw my Indys on there to see how those feel, too
let me know if feel better! I'm an Indy normie and didn't want to change my trucks for that board, but I'm willing to listen to reason (and i need an excuse to try Ventures)
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Welcome, Toy, Deathwish, all longer WB at 14.25 usually...provided Welcome makes more and toy doesn't stop making them...feels like DW takes 1-2 drops between twin drops.
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Welcome, Toy, Deathwish, all longer WB at 14.25 usually...provided Welcome makes more and toy doesn't stop making them...feels like DW takes 1-2 drops between twin drops.
That's the thing, the DW had specs close to what I liked but the nose, err, tail haha both ends looked too pointy, just like the standard "OG" Baker shape, so it turned me off to it in the shop I was in. I know you said you perceived it to be not as pointy, but I guess we differ on perception for our preferences.
I'll keep an eye on Welcome, since I've not heard much on their twin shapes or seen one in person yet. Do we know of the Toy Machine twins are BBS? I bought a team Toy Machine deck awhile back and it was like a plank of wood: no body, curves, concave, etc. Didn't feel or look anything like quality BBS wood, so I'm skeptical of trying Toy if I'm not getting PS Stix or BBS or Clutch wood.
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New quasi
(https://i.ibb.co/Zgn2SZg/IMG-1717.png) (https://ibb.co/s10WCB1)
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ooof, that's ugly....anyone that is colorblind gives us a shout if this looks good with your color spectrum.
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ooof, that's ugly....anyone that is colorblind gives us a shout if this looks good with your color spectrum.
colorblind here but no it doesn't
i want to like it but the color palette is pretty heinous (at least what I can see is ::) )
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ooof, that's ugly....anyone that is colorblind gives us a shout if this looks good with your color spectrum.
i want to like it but the color palette is pretty heinous (at least what I can see is ::) )
That’s too bad with that name there’s a missed opportunity to actually make it look good for those that are.
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Would be nice if the twin shapes from all these brands weren't "13.875 -14" and closer to "14.25 - 14.5." Or if they offered them in both WB (13.8. & 14.25) to have a wider net of customers
Seems like the smaller WB serves Thunder and Venture riders, while everyone else that rides Indy, Ace, Royal, etc. are kinda screwed on twins unless they're not a tall person to begin with. Seems like the Real and Deathwish ones are the better options for taller folks wanting a twin not on DLX trucks
I agree! Perhaps these brands will explore longer WB now that twins have been out for a decent while?
I do suspect most twin tail or noses are this short of a WB to make up for the increased tail and shortened nose lengths. Gives the illusion that it rides like a longer WB and feels balanced, but I'm not sold on that logic, as numbers don't lie in regards to actual effects. Indys on a 13.875 for anyone 5' 9" or taller just sounds too cramped
I've got a new Crob twin tip I'm going to set up with Thunders or Ventures to experiment with soon. I may throw my Indys on there to see how those feel, too
Ha yeah I was just thinking about those guys who ride Venture forged versions being all over this - looking at Koston and NOT having to redrill his baseplates on that sort of board either.
Any which way, I guess that is their thing, so they do their boards for what PRod and others ride, compared to Ishod on his Real 14.3 wb or others on 14.25 or even 14.5 wb options on their twin boards.
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Anyone ever end up getting one of those thank you daewon twins?
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Anyone ever end up getting one of those thank you daewon twins?
The real question is did anyone ever skate ANY Thank You board.... ;)
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Might be coming close to ending my board madness. The heroin has been my favorite by far. Going to skate a few more sessions before I absolutely call it on this adventure 😂
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Might be coming close to ending my board madness. The heroin has been my favorite by far. Going to skate a few more sessions before I absolutely call it on this adventure 😂
Wish I could support Fos but that WB is too small; out of all the twins I've tried I think the Foy is the best all around 'generic' shaped twin out there.
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Might be coming close to ending my board madness. The heroin has been my favorite by far. Going to skate a few more sessions before I absolutely call it on this adventure 😂
Wish I could support Fos but that WB is too small; out of all the twins I've tried I think the Foy is the best all around 'generic' shaped twin out there.
Honestly wasn't a huge fan but I was skating it on indy 144s (also not a fan of the pointiness).
The heroin seems to be a perfect balance with the ventures 5.8. Also really liking the concave/razor edge on it!
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Took the plunge on the 8.5 Primitive Twin Nose. Dimensions are 8.5 x 32.20. Nose and Tail- 6.9 WB-14.12.
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Took the plunge on the 8.5 Primitive Twin Nose. Dimensions are 8.5 x 32.20. Nose and Tail- 6.9 WB-14.12.
Not too bad, how's it skate? Have you ridden a Primitive before? If so, are the noses 'traditional' Primitive or different?
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Took the plunge on the 8.5 Primitive Twin Nose. Dimensions are 8.5 x 32.20. Nose and Tail- 6.9 WB-14.12.
Not too bad, how's it skate? Have you ridden a Primitive before? If so, are the noses 'traditional' Primitive or different?
Havent gotten a chance to skate it yet. Might set it up this weekend if the weathers nice. I’ve ridden a few primitive boards and the nose seems pretty standard
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MADE IN USA sticker on top
TWIN NOSE GANG
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Welcome, Toy, Deathwish, all longer WB at 14.25 usually...provided Welcome makes more and toy doesn't stop making them...feels like DW takes 1-2 drops between twin drops.
I Dm'd Welcome like a man and they confirmed that Evil Twins have not been deaded off, just don't know when they'll come back
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Ordered an 8.38 south central twin nose, sounded like it’s 14.125 wheelbase and 7 on the kicks. I’ll double check when the board gets here.
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Ordered an 8.38 south central twin nose, sounded like it’s 14.125 wheelbase and 7 on the kicks. I’ll double check when the board gets here.
Probably 14.25 WB
Vu Skateshop decks (South Central Wood) come in standard, Twin tail & Twin nose shapes... $40
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-decks/vu-skateboard-shop (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-decks/vu-skateboard-shop)
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I got it from Vu, talked to the dude on the phone at the shop yesterday and he said it’s just over 14. Like I said I’ll report back. Stoked to try out another twin option for that price point. I have skated the ishod/Bobby deluxe twin tails and the tail just feels too short for my preference, looking forward to the bigger kicks on the south central
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I got it from Vu, talked to the dude on the phone at the shop yesterday and he said it’s just over 14. Like I said I’ll report back. Stoked to try out another twin option for that price point. I have skated the ishod/Bobby deluxe twin tails and the tail just feels too short for my preference, looking forward to the bigger kicks on the south central
Agreed
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i thought popsicles were the same on nose and tail wtf
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did i say that i made my own twin? i bought 2 mini logo 8.25 and gave it to my carpenter friend, he made them twins. there is no twin shape in my country and it is the cheapest solution. so, i have 2 twin decks for now.
it is funny that i bought the last 2 mini logo decks. and there is one powell deck in the whole country. i have to go to shop to check if it is the same shape if i want another twin, lol.
may be 10 year later, twins come to Turkei.
edit: there is a lot of dwindle decks. if there is a shape from dwindle that the kicks have same angle and has same finger of flat, i can turn them to twin lol. if anyone knows, hit me. i just hope that the shop which sells dwindle boards may get some jacuzzi twins.
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/sigh
More like SHORT LEG gang...ffs
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Ordered an 8.38 south central twin nose, sounded like it’s 14.125 wheelbase and 7 on the kicks. I’ll double check when the board gets here.
Vu Skateshop decks (South Central Wood) come in standard, Twin tail & Twin nose shapes... $40
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-decks/vu-skateboard-shop (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-decks/vu-skateboard-shop)
Dropped them a DM and here are the dims:
8.25 TN - 32 x 14.25
8.38 TT - 32 x 14.25, 6.75 tips
8.5 TN - ?? X 14.5, 7 tips
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Made in USA? wtf? now who's doing their boards??
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I was going to bite on the prim twin but I'm disappointed in the dims of the 8.25 (I'm sizing down from 8.5 to focus on flip tricks for bit) so I picked up the 8.20x32x14.2 SC Asta gonna use some 148 hollow lites and 50mm stf V1s...low and flippy hopefully.
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17" WB Twin anyone?
https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-pro-jm-duran-slidewinder-4-flightr-skateboard-deck-shape-266-k25-8-88-x-34-7 (https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-pro-jm-duran-slidewinder-4-flightr-skateboard-deck-shape-266-k25-8-88-x-34-7)
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🤔 there’s a “1” stamped on top under the sticker…
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Does it look at all like or similar to the number stamps from the Control boards?
Just wondering if they get those, take off the other stickers and put Primitive stickers on it.
Control boards from Woodshop thread:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120409.msg3729112#msg3729112
Not a worry either way to me, but I am curious if it is something like this, vs someone else in a woodshop in USA actually making the boards and stamping them in a similar manner.
Clutch have numbers too, but usually a lot smaller with a letter combination for the shapes, but I don't think it would be from them.
* Also copied your post with pic to the Woodshop thread - thanks for posting too!
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
Width: 8,5”
Height: 31,75”
Wheelbase: 14,21”
Tail: 6,79”
Nose: 6,79”
https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/ (https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/)
I like that. That means that HLC started producing twin tails, right? Which then might also be available for other brands, now that they have the presses/cnc. I also like the 14.21wb sounds like the dimensions i was waiting for except width. Maybe we'll get an 8.2 with the same dimensions since they'll never produce a different wheelbase anyways :D
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1 stamp under the sticker is almost for sure Pennswood then
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
Width: 8,5”
Height: 31,75”
Wheelbase: 14,21”
Tail: 6,79”
Nose: 6,79”
https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/ (https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/)
From the photo I can't tell wheel wells. Also is not clear "The nose and tail are the same". So is twin nose or tail? Maybe a hybrid like the G069?
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I highly doubt it because Pennswood stamps numbers on the bottom of the deck between the bottom bolts to indicate the width of the deck(1 = 8.1, 2 = 8.25, 3 = 8.3, etc.) This stamp is where the bbs/generator dot/dlxsf roman numeral normally goes. If I had to guess, I'd say generator might be doing some stuff on this side of the border, or sold some equipment to primitive to start pressing their own (and this being the top deck on the press.)
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
Width: 8,5”
Height: 31,75”
Wheelbase: 14,21”
Tail: 6,79”
Nose: 6,79”
https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/ (https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/)
Do you mean the angle of the tips?
I don't want wheel wells, I fear having worse pinch :D It's the wb and tail/nose lenghts. 14.2 wb with 6.79 tails/noses sounds great.
I always wanted the ishod twin with 0.1 substracted from the wb on both ends and added to the tips.
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
Width: 8,5”
Height: 31,75”
Wheelbase: 14,21”
Tail: 6,79”
Nose: 6,79”
https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/ (https://store.hlcdist.com/producto/roger-magic-mirror-8-5-deck/)
I don't want wheel wells, I fear having worse pinch :D It's the wb and tail/nose lenghts. 14.2 wb with 6.79 tails/noses sounds great.
I always wanted the ishod twin with 0.1 substracted from the wb on both ends and added to the tips.
Angle and shape.
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Christmas complete 😌
Set up my first twin tip AND first time I'm gonna skate Thunders since 2008. Last time I skated anything other than Indy was at least 15 years ago. The 14 WB is calling for Thunders tho so I'm interested to see how this goes! Not gonna be my main ride buuut we'll see how testing it out goes haha
• Chocolate CRob G096 8.5 x 31.875 x 14
• Thunder 151
• SF F4 CF 99D 52MM
• Bones Bearings
• Mob Grip
• Thunder hardware
(https://i.imgur.com/QsWGuWw.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uVK13BC.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ekKMrSY.jpg)
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Christmas complete 😌
Set up my first twin tip AND first time I'm gonna skate Thunders since 2008. Last time I skated anything other than Indy was at least 15 years ago. The 14 WB is calling for Thunders tho so I'm interested to see how this goes! Not gonna be my main ride buuut we'll see how testing it out goes haha
• Chocolate CRob G096 8.5 x 31.875 x 14
• Thunder 151
• SF F4 CF 99D 52MM
• Bones Bearings
• Mob Grip
• Thunder hardware
Hell Ya
I gotta kill the 8.5 Slave I have set up, but G096 is next on the chopping block. This post is very inciting.
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Wanted to try something different when it comes to twin dims (it's always 32"x14.25"WB or sub 32" and a 14"wb
(https://i.ibb.co/9GWQ6f9/IMG-6001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9GWQ6f9)
(https://i.ibb.co/TR3XZV5/IMG-6002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TR3XZV5)
8.2x32x14.2 WB - surprisingly the length isn't bothering me like I thought it would and the ".2" on each dim is close enough to normal to not make a difference I'm thinking. It's also pretty lite and super crispy.
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Any shops got the new primitive twin? Would prefer not to buy from Primitive’s website.
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(https://i.ibb.co/KyHZTgB/IMG-6457.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KyHZTgB)
Might be coming close to ending my board madness. The heroin has been my favorite by far. Going to skate a few more sessions before I absolutely call it on this adventure 😂
Wish I could support Fos but that WB is too small; out of all the twins I've tried I think the Foy is the best all around 'generic' shaped twin out there.
Never had the Foy Twin but my guess is that the shape is quite similar to the Welcome 8.5” Evil Twin, right? The specs are the same (length is the same if I recall correct and both have 14.25”WB)
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Got my twin nose VU Shop deck in, right around 14.25 wheelbase with 7 inch kicks, looks great. Can’t wait to skate it
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(https://i.ibb.co/KyHZTgB/IMG-6457.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KyHZTgB)
Might be coming close to ending my board madness. The heroin has been my favorite by far. Going to skate a few more sessions before I absolutely call it on this adventure 😂
Wish I could support Fos but that WB is too small; out of all the twins I've tried I think the Foy is the best all around 'generic' shaped twin out there.
Never had the Foy Twin but my guess is that the shape is quite similar to the Welcome 8.5” Evil Twin, right? The specs are the same (length is the same if I recall correct and both have 14.25”WB)
Nope, they are totally different.
The Foy is your typical BBS twin shape: like the 8.3x DLX or quasi twin, you get a rounded, slightly pointy kick (foy is less pointy than them all).
The Welcome was much more full and slightly square; closer to the 8.5 Toy.
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Christmas complete 😌
Set up my first twin tip AND first time I'm gonna skate Thunders since 2008. Last time I skated anything other than Indy was at least 15 years ago. The 14 WB is calling for Thunders tho so I'm interested to see how this goes! Not gonna be my main ride buuut we'll see how testing it out goes haha
• Chocolate CRob G096 8.5 x 31.875 x 14
• Thunder 151
• SF F4 CF 99D 52MM
• Bones Bearings
• Mob Grip
• Thunder hardware
(https://i.imgur.com/QsWGuWw.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uVK13BC.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ekKMrSY.jpg)
Did you skate it yet? How'd it go?
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Any shops got the new primitive twin? Would prefer not to buy from Primitive’s website.
Zoomz sold out: https://www.zumiez.com/primitive-rodriguez-eagle-twin-8-5-skateboard-deck.html
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/decks/standard/primitive/rodriguez-twin-nose-eagle-deck-825-pid-72092
Cowtown has had them yesterday (MIA from the website now), haven't found them anywhere else yet.
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Blank check supply has two twins an 8 and a 8.25
https://blankchecksupply.com/products/the-symmetrical-blank-skateboard-deck-8
Clutch wood isn't that exciting tho
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Blank check supply has two twins an 8 and a 8.25
https://blankchecksupply.com/products/the-symmetrical-blank-skateboard-deck-8
Clutch wood isn't that exciting tho
I've skated several Clutch boards over the last few years and never had any problems. Tbh I might like them more than PS. Any specific reason Clutch isn't favored? I remember seeing some negative opinions here before, but don't remember why
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Blank check supply has two twins an 8 and a 8.25
https://blankchecksupply.com/products/the-symmetrical-blank-skateboard-deck-8
Clutch wood isn't that exciting tho
I've skated several Clutch boards over the last few years and never had any problems. Tbh I might like them more than PS. Any specific reason Clutch isn't favored? I remember seeing some negative opinions here before, but don't remember why
I copied your post to another thread where someone was asking about those boards.
I guess at the end of the day, everything is down to personal opinion and some people will like or dislike certain woodshops for various reasons.
The pro standard Clutch boards I had come through my hands were good, but the price point boards broke very easily, but that could be said for BBS / DLX boards too, so if you are liking the concave, shape and dimensions, then they should be good for you.
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Blank check supply has two twins an 8 and a 8.25
https://blankchecksupply.com/products/the-symmetrical-blank-skateboard-deck-8
Clutch wood isn't that exciting tho
I've skated several Clutch boards over the last few years and never had any problems. Tbh I might like them more than PS. Any specific reason Clutch isn't favored? I remember seeing some negative opinions here before, but don't remember why
I copied your post to another thread where someone was asking about those boards.
I guess at the end of the day, everything is down to personal opinion and some people will like or dislike certain woodshops for various reasons.
The pro standard Clutch boards I had come through my hands were good, but the price point boards broke very easily, but that could be said for BBS / DLX boards too, so if you are liking the concave, shape and dimensions, then they should be good for you.
Thanks for that. Tbh I'm not skating hard enough to break boards so that's probably why I never had problems.
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I liked the Clutch deck I skated a while back, slightly less stiff than a brand new DSM but slightly more than a BBS. I'd gladly ride another but they seem to be dropping the ball with sending specs or using the right molds at the shop floor. Like Ben Degros' order with subpar wood and Blank Check ordering 8.5 twins but 8.0 / 8.25 only being fulfilled.
What's the letter they use for their twin shapes?
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I liked the Clutch deck I skated a while back, slightly less stiff than a brand new DSM but slightly more than a BBS. I'd gladly ride another but they seem to be dropping the ball with sending specs or using the right molds at the shop floor. Like Ben Degros' order with subpar wood and Blank Check ordering 8.5 twins but 8.0 / 8.25 only being fulfilled.
What's the letter they use for their twin shapes?
Do they have a T shape?
That would make the most sense to me. T for TWIN shape.
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Got my twin nose VU Shop deck in, right around 14.25 wheelbase with 7 inch kicks, looks great. Can’t wait to skate it
Sounds nice. What's the concave and steepness of the kicks like?
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Mid to steep kick on the source central twin nose, just took my first skate on it.
I’m running 5.8 ventures with 55ish mm spitfire 97a’s and the long kicks make it very comfortable popping now versus the ishod twin tail which felt like I had to put too much effort into.
The kicks are pretty full, similar to AWS. Switch flips felt like I got a fuller flick off the longer kicks. My real test was how spin tricks would work out, first throw down I spun a back big spin, followed by a switch front bigspin.
This may be my favorite board I’ve ridden in a long time, very stoked on how it feels.
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Somebody was talking about this earlier: who was the first to do twin tip?
I believe it was Deathwish for Neen well over 2 years ago. And it was a twin nose instead of twin tail. If not, seems like Ishod's for Real may be the first.
Now, that's for the modern trend. I'm sure brands explored doing twin dims 15-25 years ago when trend shifted from shaped to popsicle as the norm. However, I don't know enough to comment about that time period of shapes.
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First one I saw marketed(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXhqhbWHX9Ih0Qxw7rPA0CjCwYCg0913FhtNebrJ2jx7px07Ncr4uI1ta58CDHjONn5KGR16UswYDOBJMx0CKIHqHHLuOn-POLHnge_4vrpaxAEifIrHeDdM1110LMrHoIWpOVIIV22gs/s1600/shortys-skateboards-olson-symetrical-2002.jpg)
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Yeah you have to go way back…well before this current trend
Visions double vision
Mystery had a symmetry run (and were amazing)
Plan b
Mystery and planb twins were 11yrs ago?
(https://i.ibb.co/KxnK79R/IMG-0256.png) (https://ibb.co/KxnK79R)
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First one I saw marketed(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXhqhbWHX9Ih0Qxw7rPA0CjCwYCg0913FhtNebrJ2jx7px07Ncr4uI1ta58CDHjONn5KGR16UswYDOBJMx0CKIHqHHLuOn-POLHnge_4vrpaxAEifIrHeDdM1110LMrHoIWpOVIIV22gs/s1600/shortys-skateboards-olson-symetrical-2002.jpg)
Memory unlocked seeing this one
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Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?
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Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?
It wasn’t symmetrical.
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Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?
It wasn’t symmetrical.
yeah barnyard wasn’t symmetrical.
it must have been the double vision, but i remember seeing a vision twin that was….kind of insane looking: lots of concave, massive kicks. over 30 years ago, so my memory is a little whatever. i saw the person skating it from a distance, and the kit looked pretty wild.
some of the concave back then was intense.
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Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?
It wasn’t symmetrical.
yeah barnyard wasn’t symmetrical.
it must have been the double vision, but i remember seeing a vision twin that was….kind of insane looking: lots of concave, massive kicks. over 30 years ago, so my memory is a little whatever. i saw the person skating it from a distance, and the kit looked pretty wild.
some of the concave back then was intense.
Double Vision was symmetrical either, just had a massive kick for the nose; it was wider in the front (nose and truck width) with a rear taper - the nose was shorter than the tail (we were still in the short nose era, even if this was massive for back then).
A friend of mine got one, the novelty was being able to skate it either way 'as normal' or ollies into nose stalls (nollies and switch weren't a thing yet).
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Vallely barnyard has to be the first symmetrical board, no?
It wasn’t symmetrical.
yeah barnyard wasn’t symmetrical.
it must have been the double vision, but i remember seeing a vision twin that was….kind of insane looking: lots of concave, massive kicks. over 30 years ago, so my memory is a little whatever. i saw the person skating it from a distance, and the kit looked pretty wild.
some of the concave back then was intense.
Double Vision was symmetrical either, just had a massive kick for the nose; it was wider in the front (nose and truck width) with a rear taper - the nose was shorter than the tail (we were still in the short nose era, even if this was massive for back then).
A friend of mine got one, the novelty was being able to skate it either way 'as normal' or ollies into nose stalls (nollies and switch weren't a thing yet).
Tony Hawk had that Pictogram board on Powell in early 90's. It might have been symmetrical, never saw it in person.
Vision had couple of versions of double vision decks, some even in late 80's with symmetrical looking graphics, not sure if they were actual symmetrical shapes.
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(https://i.ibb.co/JxQCvd2/IMG-0257.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JxQCvd2)
The pictogram was probably the first true twin, double drilled each end as well! That thing was massive.
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(https://i.ibb.co/JxQCvd2/IMG-0257.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JxQCvd2)
The pictogram was probably the first true twin, double drilled each end as well! That thing was massive.
damn! your memory is top notch.
i recall seeing that vision shape in action, dude was trying an impossible, and as little ass kids we tended to try them with the front foot going off of the tip of the nose, so full snowbroder stance. ‘funny’ the little images that are stuck in my brain.
just previous to this i would try and do ollie’s on my neighbors chris miller, but using the nose as the tail. somehow the tiny nose sort of helped me, as a tail. i was really small for my age.
blah blab blab.
i’m way out of bounds because i haven’t tried a twin in the modern era. i think the longer noses, shorter tails just feels ‘safer’ for me. when i try and use the tail, as the tail, for a switch ollie, i feel like my switch pop
is exposed for fraudulent.
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So far so good I've been loving the twin tail, beware, you have to switch out your pivot cups and bushings, cause it's all different (or just buy new trucks).
What’s the reason for switching trucks?
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So far so good I've been loving the twin tail, beware, you have to switch out your pivot cups and bushings, cause it's all different (or just buy new trucks).
What’s the reason for switching trucks?
Your trucks will turn differently based on a nose/tail board due to how you skate it/weight distribution, etc.
Fresh cups and bushings at the start and you start at square one. All things equal.
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(https://i.ibb.co/JxQCvd2/IMG-0257.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JxQCvd2)
The pictogram was probably the first true twin, double drilled each end as well! That thing was massive.
damn! your memory is top notch.
i recall seeing that vision shape in action, dude was trying an impossible, and as little ass kids we tended to try them with the front foot going off of the tip of the nose, so full snowbroder stance. ‘funny’ the little images that are stuck in my brain.
just previous to this i would try and do ollie’s on my neighbors chris miller, but using the nose as the tail. somehow the tiny nose sort of helped me, as a tail. i was really small for my age.
blah blab blab.
i’m way out of bounds because i haven’t tried a twin in the modern era. i think the longer noses, shorter tails just feels ‘safer’ for me. when i try and use the tail, as the tail, for a switch ollie, i feel like my switch pop
is exposed for fraudulent.
We rode them a lot back then- I learned impossibles on them for a day trying to 3 shuv …no risers and small ass wheel - well ahead of that being the norm; I fucking hated risers, copers, nose guards/skid plates…ugh.
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Whats the wheelbase on the prod twin nose?
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Whats the wheelbase on the prod twin nose?
Go back a couple if pages?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.1600
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Primitive twins:
13.85 on the 8.25
14.12 on the 8.5
I’m praying that means an 8.38 with 14 flat is incoming, I’d put my 149s on that for sure.
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Under 14WB? holy shit. I got to give that one a try.
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8.5 Crail Twin on sale $49.98: It's Malto's....and an ugly hello Kitty colorway...talk about a double whammy
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Malto_Hello_Kitty__Friends_TWIN_Deck/descpage-GIMHFDK.html
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8.5 Crail Twin on sale $49.98: It's Malto's....and an ugly hello Kitty colorway...talk about a double whammy
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Girl_Malto_Hello_Kitty__Friends_TWIN_Deck/descpage-GIMHFDK.html
What the fuck is thar, I'm speechless 😶
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Tactics has added a Twin search and sort option!
https://www.tactics.com/skateboard-decks/ra-20744/sort-5
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I'd rather have twin nose. I had a deathwish with a small nose and I just couldn't flick it right.
never seen a shitty deathwish b.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzuoOSwQe30&t=195s
If I had to guess, incoming short/short wb twin again; interesting to see what he comes up with blending all three of those...the Fab board is pretty much the standard 8.25 shape SC board (but stubby cuz she's short; 31.9/14" WB), super close to the regular mcoy twins (the new asta and mcoys are much narrower/pointer in the kicks+long).
Side note: In of of the previous vids he actually, for real, takes his hat off. He does have hair ;)
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
Why I have trust issues:
(HLC btw)
(https://i.ibb.co/smj97WV/Screenshot-2024-03-29-162558.png) (https://ibb.co/smj97WV)
(https://i.ibb.co/jgpgG4c/IMG-6087.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgpgG4c)
The 8.5x31.75 dimensions are correct. However, the WB is fucking 14" if NOT slightly LESS than 14"...WT A F...Still gonna skate it and see how it feels.
It's wide at the kicks like the 8.5 toy machine, it has lots of fingers of flat, almost THREE...was gonna ride indys now I'm not sure what to set up on it...Thunders? Gotta work that WB out a bit...
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Xpost from setup thread, both twin tailers:
(https://i.imgur.com/FwdWgHI.jpeg)
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Xpost from setup thread, both twin tailers:
(https://i.imgur.com/FwdWgHI.jpeg)
That's really a twin?
https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-pro-jm-duran-slidewinder-4-flightr-skateboard-deck-shape-266-k24-8-88-x-34-7
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Yes. 6.75" paddles.
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(https://i.ibb.co/5cZ97W2/IMG-6095.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5cZ97W2)
Madness as usual but something is clicking.
So first session...it's kinda weird but in a good way. Ages ago I rode an 8.6 AWS, it had the best nose ever visually / skated great; this has that for both kicks which @6.79” length don't feel it because of their width (the asta's kicks by comparison feel long @ just 6.8", but narrow) - these kicks feel 'stumpy' in way? Not BIG SHOVEL like FA. That AWS 8.6 is the only thing that matches up.
Perhaps it's the fingers of flat voodoo (? I still don't fully know how to maximize it use the correct truck) but the 14" WB isn't noticeable to me and I'm very susceptible to short boards/WBs; so coming off the Asta (8.2x32x14.2WB) I would think this board being shorter 31.75" w/14" WB was going to screw with me (recently skate some 8.3s with 14.18WB that were 31.88ish and they were horrible...Hockey/Primitive; also the crail 8.25 with a 14" wb didn't sit right either).
Maybe it's the cast thunders plus the fingers of flat? I do have ghost pop coming off venture forged with the asta (previously thunder forged) but that will go away, it was the first session.
Finally, I would also like to call out that this board's wheel wells FUCKING WORK, I'm actually creating divots in the well...rode a jacuzzzi with wells and same thunders/wheels and that shit did not line up.
(https://i.ibb.co/zGWFL0Q/IMG-6098.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zGWFL0Q)
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Yes. 6.75" paddles.
Lol shit I had my contacts in read those nose/tail dims TOTALLY different. Sweet Jeebus it;s a fucking snow/long board 34.7 FFS =D
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Yes it is. 17” wheelbase. Ollie’s at 20 mph, no worries
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Ordered the SC 8.4 Maurio McCoy twin, thought I'd enjoy the Opera 8.5 Twin Slick but the 14" wb is messing with me. Every time I crouch down I feel like my wheels are too close together. Couple that with steep kicks and new 54mm wheels is making a less than ideal setup. Have half a mind to try sizing down to 52mm V5s to get through this madness.
Really thought I'd enjoy the 14" WB with Ventures more, I rode an 8 x 32 x 14 4 years ago which felt like my goldilocks setup, but I paired it with Venture 5.2 Lo V-Hollows and 51mm wheels.
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Maaaan, that sucks about the Opera! Hopefully the McCoy works for you! It's the same shape as the Asta just bigger; I was digging it at first then not so much (I made the mistake of riding a different setup, for a few days, then went back to the Asta...shouldn't have done that :)
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Maaaan, that sucks about the Opera! Hopefully the McCoy works for you! It's the same shape as the Asta just bigger; I was digging it at first then not so much (I made the mistake of riding a different setup, for a few days, then went back to the Asta...shouldn't have done that :)
The steepness and short wheelbase of the Opera couple with the bigger, flatter wheels is doing a number on my already limited flatground. It feels like I have to pop way harder and give up more stability to get anything going.
Makes me miss Venture Los, I'd gladly pay full retail for the 5.6 / 5.8 / 6.1 if the even did them in the Lo variant.
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(https://i.ibb.co/SKF93fy/IMG-3987.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/SKF93fy/IMG-3987.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RcWhgBF/IMG-3988.jpg)
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not crazy about the graphics but the 8.5 dimensions look good.
Are there any 8.75 popsicle twins? Largest popsicle that is readily available is 8.5, above that and you're in egg territory
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Thinking about trying one. Most likely Real Ishod. Anyone skating a twin tail? Do you like it? Anything you miss about having a bigger nose?
Jake Wooten gotta twin tail
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Thinking about trying one. Most likely Real Ishod. Anyone skating a twin tail? Do you like it? Anything you miss about having a bigger nose?
Jake Wooten gotta twin tail
That's because he got FAT AF recently...matched up with his twin chins
(https://i.ibb.co/SKF93fy/IMG-3987.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/RcWhgBF/IMG-3988.jpg)
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That looks really nice.
@rocklobster
Ishod twin comes in 8.75
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Real_Wair_Cat_Scratch_Glitter_Deck/descpage-RLWCG87DK.html?_gl=1
Dimensions seem like it's gonna feel like a pig tho.
Welcome as well
https://www.zumiez.com/welcome-unchained-on-evil-twin-8-75-skateboard-deck.html
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https://www.skatewarehouse.com/search-skate.html?start=0&count=30&searchtext=twin
Some new crail/thank you twins
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Had a great session on my 8.5" pop secret Chocolate twin yesterday but really wish Craig would offer some other wheelbase options.
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Had a great session on my 8.5" pop secret Chocolate twin yesterday but really wish Craig would offer some other wheelbase options.
Is that the G096 shape with 14” wheelbase? I was stoked on this when I recently got back into skating after a months-long break. As soon as mh hips/ legs got more flexible, it feels way too short. I’d love to try a 14.5 wb twin
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Had a great session on my 8.5" pop secret Chocolate twin yesterday but really wish Craig would offer some other wheelbase options.
Is that the G096 shape with 14” wheelbase? I was stoked on this when I recently got back into skating after a months-long break. As soon as mh hips/ legs got more flexible, it feels way too short. I’d love to try a 14.5 wb twin
it is. i have Thunder 151s on it and its manageable. I wouldn't skate it in a bowl or anything but for curbs and flat i like it.
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Had a great session on my 8.5" pop secret Chocolate twin yesterday but really wish Craig would offer some other wheelbase options.
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Had a great session on my 8.5" pop secret Chocolate twin yesterday but really wish Craig would offer some other wheelbase options.
Is that the G096 shape with 14” wheelbase? I was stoked on this when I recently got back into skating after a months-long break. As soon as mh hips/ legs got more flexible, it feels way too short. I’d love to try a 14.5 wb twin
8.5 Ishod might work for you 14.5" WB
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Real_Wair_Cat_Scratch_Glitter_Deck/descpage-RLWCG85DK.html
Maybe try the Habitat Apex Bold Twin: 8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375" Feels much bigger than you'd expect.
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-camo-twin-8-375-8-5
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Heroin 10" Dead Dave twin popsicle coming soon...
https://www.instagram.com/p/C5G9hdSvhHw/?hl=en
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I just received that Primitive Prod Twin in 8.5
Just wanted to point out it says "Made In Usa".
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I just received that Primitive Prod Twin in 8.5
Just wanted to point out it says "Made In Usa".
I am skating it. What wood shop would you say it is? Feels BBS.
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i'm actually wondering.
Made In The USA surely doesn't mean it's BBS though
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i'm actually wondering.
Made In The USA surely doesn't mean it's BBS though
Watson or clutch I'm guessing. Is it 'thicc' (SC?)
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i'm actually wondering.
Made In The USA surely doesn't mean it's BBS though
Watson or clutch I'm guessing. Is it 'thicc' (SC?)
Feels a lot like my Real. But a little thinner.
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i'm actually wondering.
Made In The USA surely doesn't mean it's BBS though
Watson or clutch I'm guessing. Is it 'thicc' (SC?)
It wouldn't be the first time a board made in Mexico is labelled as made in USA, but maybe more likely it could be Prime.
I got a Prime blank a while back and they feel surprisingly like BBS although not quite the same (and a little thinner), the woodshop is in USA and they could be big enough to be dealing with Primitive to make special boards like the twins for them.
That is all just speculation though.
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(https://i.ibb.co/mvy90s6/IMG-4064.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6vtH8hg)
This Primitive twin has a 4 on it and again made in USA.
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This Primitive twin has a 4 on it and again made in USA.
Copying to the Woodshop thread, if that is ok?
Just curious if anyone else has any more info where these are made too.
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Powell Experimental twin (in the smaller size than what they have)
https://youtu.be/tuvbDMQPlTU?t=777
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Primitive twin was highly disappointing due to the 13.75 wheelbase on that shape specifically.All their 8.25s have had a 14” wheelbase so I assumed the twin would too.
I just knew it wasn’t gonna work after a session and a half. Don’t know what they were thinking with that
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Primitive twin was highly disappointing due to the 13.75 wheelbase on that shape specifically.All their 8.25s have had a 14” wheelbase so I assumed the twin would too.
I just knew it wasn’t gonna work after a session and a half. Don’t know what they were thinking with that
Weren't both kicks longer than the standard 8.25? Guess they were assuming that would compensate.
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Primitive twin was highly disappointing due to the 13.75 wheelbase on that shape specifically.All their 8.25s have had a 14” wheelbase so I assumed the twin would too.
I just knew it wasn’t gonna work after a session and a half. Don’t know what they were thinking with that
Weren't both kicks longer than the standard 8.25? Guess they were assuming that would compensate.
I like the longer kicks but they shoulda kept it the same 14” wheelbase. Even when I would land tricks my positioning and weight distribution felt off. It wasn’t even some shit i was gonna try to get used to after finding my Goldilocks wheelbase and riding that for the past couple years
I was thirsty and copped 3 on sale too. I’m holding this L
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Roger enters the chat with a 8.5x14.2 twin and wheel wells. Take my money...
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/roger-skateboards/products/roger-skate-co-ryan-magic-mirror-skateboard-twin-tail-deck-8-5
I gotta quit checking this thread. I’ve got a pile of non twins I need to skate, but Roger coming through with the dimensions I want. Fucking finally. Not sure why Deathwish has been the only company offering an 8.5 twin with 14.25ish wb (dw is 14.28).
Why I have trust issues:
(HLC btw)
(https://i.ibb.co/smj97WV/Screenshot-2024-03-29-162558.png) (https://ibb.co/smj97WV)
(https://i.ibb.co/jgpgG4c/IMG-6087.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgpgG4c)
The 8.5x31.75 dimensions are correct. However, the WB is fucking 14" if NOT slightly LESS than 14"...WT A F...Still gonna skate it and see how it feels.
It's wide at the kicks like the 8.5 toy machine, it has lots of fingers of flat, almost THREE...was gonna ride indys now I'm not sure what to set up on it...Thunders? Gotta work that WB out a bit...
I ordered one of these last night. I’ll measure it and see if it is consistent with what you found. Tactics had it listed as “symmetrical”.
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One of my kicks was slightly longer than the other as well, not enough to notice a difference while skating, but definitely on measuring.
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I just started skating an Ishod symmetrical deck, and I swear the “nose” feels steeper than the tail. I still like it, but it kinda defeats the purpose.
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https://www.tactics.com/heroin/wilson-dead-reflections-85-skateboard-deck (https://www.tactics.com/heroin/wilson-dead-reflections-85-skateboard-deck)
New heroin graphic based off the same shape as the tom day. been my favorite twin so far by a long shot
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I just started skating an Ishod symmetrical deck, and I swear the “nose” feels steeper than the tail. I still like it, but it kinda defeats the purpose.
I've had 7 of those so far and every single one was perfectly symmetrical in kick angle, length, fingers of flat, ...
Sure it's not just a regular Ishod pro model?
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I just started skating an Ishod symmetrical deck, and I swear the “nose” feels steeper than the tail. I still like it, but it kinda defeats the purpose.
Sure it's not just a regular Ishod pro model?
It’s one of these
(https://www.realskateboards.com/img/2024/rs-spring-24-d1-01.jpg)
But honestly, after skating today I’m no longer sure I was correct in my assessment, and I meant to get back on here to acknowledge that my body may not be the most accurate angle gauge, and I might have been mistaken. I suppose I could always nerd it up and buy a digital angle gauge. Either way, I still like the way it skates, so that’s really all that matters.
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
Yeah, the Easy Riders are symmetrical in degree of kick only (not shape); they really did a piss poor job on explaining the board - they just assumed everyone was going to watch BenD's video.
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
Will try and 8.5" easy rider for sure but would be rad if they were proper symmetrical shapes... haha... we want it ALL!!
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
Yeah, the Easy Riders are symmetrical in degree of kick only (not shape); they really did a piss poor job on explaining the board - they just assumed everyone was going to watch BenD's video.
Their recent Insta posts has side-by-side comparisons of the new Easy Rider concave against their classic one.
Just setup a SC 8.4 Maurio McCoy Twin, the kicks are really tapered, almost like they took the old Asta shape and widened it out. Almost egg like, haven't landed a 360 flip on it yet but pretty good. I don't think they use the same woodshop as DSM since SC / Creature feel like they have a signature stiffness, right below a BBS.
Their eagle graphic was ugly as sin and I don't like the matte finish on the bottom. Aside from that it's treating me much better than the Opera Twin.
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Anyone skated the Alien workshop/habitat twins in 8.5? Wondering how the measurements are. Some shops list as 14.25 wb others 14.375.
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Thanks for the insight.
The new spectrum is what made me curious. On paper it sounds great. Just can’t deal with 14.25 wb even with ventures when the deck is that long
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I've had two 8.5 Ishod Twins and they have also been perfectly symmetrical, as far as I can measure, see and feel. Just wish they were 14.25" WB.
IIRC, I saw an ad for easy riders, or some symmetrical mellow shape out of deluxe that had 8.5s with 14.25” WB.
Yeah, the Easy Riders are symmetrical in degree of kick only (not shape); they really did a piss poor job on explaining the board - they just assumed everyone was going to watch BenD's video.
Well shit, thanks for the heads up!
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?
That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.
I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?
That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.
I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.
Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks
8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"
Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
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The 8.38 Mercy shape is another beast at 32.75 x 14.25, is Marius actually riding that shape??
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?
That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.
I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.
Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks
8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"
Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
Thanks!
Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.
I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long. A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?
That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.
I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.
Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks
8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"
Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
Thanks!
Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.
I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long. A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.
Deathwish Foy Twin (8.5) is perfect, really wish they made it in smaller sizes. A good 8.25 twin is harder to come by, the Toy machine is close....8.3 quasi is decent but really close to the dlx in terms of kicks.
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How do you guys tighten your trucks with twins? I set up new thunders and they’re way too loose for me stock but I’m scared my ocd will come back if I tighten them and one feels different than the other.
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How do you guys tighten your trucks with twins? I set up new thunders and they’re way too loose for me stock but I’m scared my ocd will come back if I tighten them and one feels different than the other.
I usually do 2-3 threads showing on both
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Always have both trucks nut and kingpin flush. Ace AF1 55s on an 8.5 Ishod Twin or Thunder 151s on an 8.5 Crail twin. And Ace 55 Classics on a 8.88" Powell Flight Twin (shhhh......)
I rotate trucks on directional decks also so they usually feel very close. I know some people really like to get brand new trucks when they set up a twin.
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How do you guys tighten your trucks with twins? I set up new thunders and they’re way too loose for me stock but I’m scared my ocd will come back if I tighten them and one feels different than the other.
With a skate tool!
https://youtu.be/agYDfvhi5R0?si=KDEB73UwBwJTvqSz
Nut flush, the 1/4 turns.
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?
That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.
I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.
Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks
8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"
Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
Thanks!
Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.
I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long. A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.
Deathwish Foy Twin (8.5) is perfect, really wish they made it in smaller sizes. A good 8.25 twin is harder to come by, the Toy machine is close....8.3 quasi is decent but really close to the dlx in terms of kicks.
Habitat just released Apex Bold Green Twin 8.25 with 14.25, it's 32-ish long, big long kicks. I got it in Europe and it's BBS made.
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Depends on which graphic you got. The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin is a 14.25", rode and measured it - 14.25" as listed.
The new Spectrum Full 8.5 Twin is listed as 14.38, ordered one but it's still enroute so I can't verify it.
The Apex Bold White 8.5 Twin does feel way too long (32.375"), going 14.38" would have been a better option.
Are they all still as big, blunt and long kicks as the older ones?
That 8.375 twin board I had second hand was a beast of a thing.
I guess all the other Alien Workshop boards I have seen have been the same, regular shape or twin, big long blunt kicks, so I wouldn't expect anything less, just some people had been talking about it and I hadn't seen any in person.
Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks
8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"
Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
Thanks!
Funny that DLX Ishod similar boards have such short kicks, then Alien Workshop have such long kicks.
I have the two 8.3 / 8.375 boards here comparing them, Ishod twin tail just feels so short and AW is twin nose and feeling a little too long. A little something in between would be nice for a medium board.
Deathwish Foy Twin (8.5) is perfect, really wish they made it in smaller sizes. A good 8.25 twin is harder to come by, the Toy machine is close....8.3 quasi is decent but really close to the dlx in terms of kicks.
Habitat just released Apex Bold Green Twin 8.25 with 14.25, it's 32-ish long, big long kicks. I got it in Europe and it's BBS made.
It's the 'same old' one we've had:
Yup, still beasts. Blame the 7" kicks
8.25" x 32.25" WB 14.25"
8.375" x 32.25" WB 14.375"
8.5" X 32.25" WB 14.25"
Really wish they would use their [8.3] 'agile shape' for a twin, would work well I think. Has an almost eggish vibe to it (the kicks taper).
https://habitatskateboards.com/products/apex-bold-green-8-25-twin
(https://habitatskateboards.com/cdn/shop/files/8.25-TWIN-TAIL-1.jpg?v=1711684200&width=600)
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YESSSSSSSSSS
DW Foy Twin
8.25x31.875x14.25WB
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/collections/all-boards/products/foy-gator-blk-red-twin-8-25
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^Ooof. I had last year’s version, the wheelbase was just slightly longer (14.28), and it was really nice. Hopefully I can get my hands on this one.
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^Ooof. I had last year’s version, the wheelbase was just slightly longer (14.28), and it was really nice. Hopefully I can get my hands on this one.
Yah, but that was on the 8.5"
Really glad to see a normal to shorter length 8.25 with a 14.25" WB and the foy shape is amazing (this is not the Neen 8.25 from a few years ago nor the baker 8.25 shape in a twin) but the 8.5 Foy [current] twin scaled down to 8.25.
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https://www.tactics.com/heroin/wilson-dead-reflections-85-skateboard-deck (https://www.tactics.com/heroin/wilson-dead-reflections-85-skateboard-deck)
New heroin graphic based off the same shape as the tom day. been my favorite twin so far by a long shot
https://www.tactics.com/heroin/yankou-dead-reflections-825-skateboard-deck
The 8.25 twin heroin looks good
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(https://i.ibb.co/MNjKGz7/IMG-6290.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MNjKGz7)
Welp...the sticker is wrong, the 8.25 Foy is actually 31.875" with a somewhat shorter than 14.25"WB (more like 14.125")
Buyer beware!
8.5" measure true as they all have previously.
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^Ooof. I had last year’s version, the wheelbase was just slightly longer (14.28), and it was really nice. Hopefully I can get my hands on this one.
Yah, but that was on the 8.5"
Really glad to see a normal to shorter length 8.25 with a 14.25" WB and the foy shape is amazing (this is not the Neen 8.25 from a few years ago nor the baker 8.25 shape in a twin) but the 8.5 Foy [current] twin scaled down to 8.25.
Oh man, I’m glad you’re here to catch my errors. I’ve got donkey brains these days.
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^Ooof. I had last year’s version, the wheelbase was just slightly longer (14.28), and it was really nice. Hopefully I can get my hands on this one.
Yah, but that was on the 8.5"
Really glad to see a normal to shorter length 8.25 with a 14.25" WB and the foy shape is amazing (this is not the Neen 8.25 from a few years ago nor the baker 8.25 shape in a twin) but the 8.5 Foy [current] twin scaled down to 8.25.
Oh man, I’m glad you’re here to catch my errors. I’ve got donkey brains these days.
https://youtu.be/RWc8JKVm28E?si=rCVpt7wKzWbMBAw4