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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #960 on: December 23, 2021, 01:14:44 PM »
Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster? Been really mild, little cough and possibly slight fever at times. Been working like 12-16 hours a day, so thought I was just tired for the first few days which sucks as I probably spread it to some people

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #961 on: December 23, 2021, 04:21:15 PM »
I just found out one of my younger brother's best friends passed away after getting covid a second time unvaccinated. I'm guessing his first time was mild and he was also a trumper.

Please get vaccinated y'all.

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« Reply #962 on: December 23, 2021, 04:57:58 PM »
Terrible news @layzieyez Sorry to hear that.

Did he have any underlying conditions?

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #963 on: December 23, 2021, 05:21:46 PM »
None that I know. He actually lost a lot of weight a few years ago and looked really healthy.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #964 on: December 23, 2021, 05:27:23 PM »
I just found out one of my younger brother's best friends passed away after getting covid a second time unvaccinated. I'm guessing his first time was mild and he was also a trumper.

Please get vaccinated y'all.
I'm sorry to hear about this as well. One would think Trumpers should fall in line soon, as he has been in the media a lot actually promoting the original vaccines. Actually He has even been taking credit because the were created while he was still president. I couldn't believe when Biden even mentioned it yesterday.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #965 on: December 23, 2021, 07:54:01 PM »
I just found out one of my younger brother's best friends passed away after getting covid a second time unvaccinated. I'm guessing his first time was mild and he was also a trumper.

Please get vaccinated y'all.

Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #966 on: December 23, 2021, 07:54:29 PM »
also my condolences
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #967 on: December 23, 2021, 08:29:45 PM »
I don't have all the details but it was probably omicron according to my friend that gave me the news.

I'm not sure when he got it the first time so if he got it at the beginning of the pandemic since he was in New York, then whatever natural immunity he had either waned or no longer existed.

It also looks like it only took a few weeks from when he contracted it to his passing.

Thanks for your condolences. We used to go clubbing with him and my younger brother after I got divorced from my first wife. They really helped me move on and now my current wife and I are celebrating 20 years in 2022.
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #968 on: December 24, 2021, 05:19:19 AM »
how bad was booster for yall (moderna)?

Got it wednesday at 5:30pm
Yesterday I was sick as a dog
Woke up today 36 hours later still w fever headaache sore throat.
Just also heard 2 coworkers got omicron this week
Trying to get a test but everything is booked until next week
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #969 on: December 24, 2021, 05:35:22 AM »
how bad was booster for yall (moderna)?
 
Got it at 5:30pm 
Yesterday I was sick as a dog
Woke up today 36 hours later still w fever headaache sore throat.
Just also heard 2 coworkers got omicron this week
Trying to get a test but everything is booked until next week
already cancelled christmas fuck man

Me and my man got ours yesterday around 1 pm. Started feeling symptoms around 6 yesterday. It was a rough night, woke up several times feeling nauseous with a sore throat. Feeling worn out, wanted to skate today, but should probably conserve the energy. Sorry about your Christmas. :(
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« Reply #970 on: December 24, 2021, 05:53:20 AM »
housemate got it from a blunt cyph

me and my partner dodged it, she was at the same place as him but came back negative 3x on rapid tests and neg on a PCR test


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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #971 on: December 24, 2021, 07:08:11 AM »
how bad was booster for yall (moderna)?

Got it wednesday at 5:30pm
Yesterday I was sick as a dog
Woke up today 36 hours later still w fever headaache sore throat.
Just also heard 2 coworkers got omicron this week
Trying to get a test but everything is booked until next week
already cancelled christmas fuck man

I was 100% fine after Moderna boost. Got it on a Thursday night went to work Friday no issue and skated that weekend. I did cut booze 3 days before and drank nothing but pedialyte the whole day of and day after to stay hydrated.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #972 on: December 24, 2021, 07:55:25 AM »
Moderna boosted yesterday at 11:00 A.AM. So about 24 hours in feelin OK.  A bit tired but I started working on my flatground in the basement and that style seems to use a shit-ton of energy, so feeling a little tired, shot location on arm is sore, but overall I seem to be doing OK.

My wife got it at the same time, she is feeling good and upstairs getting a workout done.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #973 on: December 24, 2021, 10:06:39 AM »
I don't have all the details but it was probably omicron according to my friend that gave me the news.

I'm not sure when he got it the first time so if he got it at the beginning of the pandemic since he was in New York, then whatever natural immunity he had either waned or no longer existed.

It also looks like it only took a few weeks from when he contracted it to his passing.

Thanks for your condolences. We used to go clubbing with him and my younger brother after I got divorced from my first wife. They really helped me move on and now my current wife and I are celebrating 20 years in 2022.

Damn, brother. Sorry for your loss. Never really gets easier. My aunt died with covid a few weeks back. Truly sorry.

what's mildly terrifying is that this is a smart fucking virus. Mutates fast, is airborne, relatively resistant to early vaccines (although vaccines are better than nothing), and natural immunity doesn't last.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #974 on: December 24, 2021, 10:08:29 AM »
Moderna boosted yesterday at 11:00 A.AM. So about 24 hours in feelin OK.  A bit tired but I started working on my flatground in the basement and that style seems to use a shit-ton of energy, so feeling a little tired, shot location on arm is sore, but overall I seem to be doing OK.

My wife got it at the same time, she is feeling good and upstairs getting a workout done.

Happiest of Holidays to all with hopes that everyone’s tomorrow morning is fire.

Pretty much the same for me. Got mine yesterday, made me feel kind of tired, but that could also be attributed to waking up at 7. Normally I sleep in a bit on my days off. Anyways, I took at nap in the afternoon, then went out for drinks for my buddy's birthday. Arm is sore today, but nothing else to really mention.
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #975 on: December 24, 2021, 07:07:49 PM »
My check engine light came on in my car but I’m not going to let some car tell me what to do.  I have rights.  Also I’m switching to putting diesel in because I don’t trust Subaru.

A lot of the time your “check engine” light comes on it’s most likely the secondary air pump has stopped working. which really only means that your car will run a little rich from its normal stoich air fuel ratio parameter, which, in most cases will cause very little to zero negative affects to the reliability of your car (and will cause very little, to no pollution). Now, if the CEL is blinking that could be a bad misfire (not so bad but definitely concerning), a dead MAF sensor, bad IAT sensor or much worse. But if you really want to trust a dealership to charge you an arm and a leg to fix a problem that really isn’t worth fixing until you have to re-smog your car? Then, by all means, knock yourself out… On the subject of vacation? I am pro vaxx.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #976 on: December 25, 2021, 02:30:51 AM »
Hey guys I'm gonna check in here and remind everyone to not only get their boosters, but please make sure you're wearing an effective (ie medical) mask. I know my Natas devil worship mask looks sick as fuck but I also know that cloth masks like it are pretty useless at stopping droplets. I wear disposable medical masks every time I go out - they're way way better at keeping everyone safe.


I'm relatively anonymous on here (although a few of you know my real name and there's at least 3 of you that know my face) so if you want a no-bullshit answer about anything from a dude who packs his PAPR with his lunch and goes to work on the absolute front line of this thing feel free to ask. I'm not a medical professional - my professional expertise is in sanitation and infection control in a critical care setting - so I can't answer if someone's going to be OK. I'm the dude who goes in when shit (or blood, or in the case of covid often the fluid we've drained off their lungs) hits the fan and hoses everything down with chemicals and UV light and makes it safe for the next patient to come in. What I do is not complicated, but it's very high stakes and I try to leverage all the information and resources available to me to do it as effectively as possible. I live this shit. It's real. Take it seriously.

So let me give you my very early observations about what's going on right now. The good news is that it looks like omicron is not as dangerous in terms of causing severe infection. The really bad news is that its looking like it's far more transmissible than delta was. This shit spreads fast and easy. Even with a booster and masks you need to take all precautions - basically just stay the fuck away from people as much as you can. We have more employees out on isolation right now than at any other point in the pandemic, so we're finally going back to visitor restrictions and daily entrance screening. If you have elderly or immunocompromised family members please just stay away from them and tell them to keep their heads down as much as possible for the time being.

This has scared a lot of people into getting their shots but there's a lag time - both for the vaccine to reach full efficiency and for the impact to travel around the population - so this is most likely going to get worse before it gets better. A lot of people still traveled for the holidays and still aren't taking this seriously so I'm expecting to see some harrowing infection stats in the coming weeks.

Shits bad enough that even Trump is telling his cult to get shots (with predictably depressing and hilarious results) which should tell you something. Yeah it might be a PR move because of how much shit is coming out about the coup, or he may have finally seen how fucked we are if we don't seriously change what we're doing.

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #977 on: December 26, 2021, 12:26:46 PM »
Hey guys I'm gonna check in here and remind everyone to not only get their boosters, but please make sure you're wearing an effective (ie medical) mask. I know my Natas devil worship mask looks sick as fuck but I also know that cloth masks like it are pretty useless at stopping droplets. I wear disposable medical masks every time I go out - they're way way better at keeping everyone safe.


I'm relatively anonymous on here (although a few of you know my real name and there's at least 3 of you that know my face) so if you want a no-bullshit answer about anything from a dude who packs his PAPR with his lunch and goes to work on the absolute front line of this thing feel free to ask. I'm not a medical professional - my professional expertise is in sanitation and infection control in a critical care setting - so I can't answer if someone's going to be OK. I'm the dude who goes in when shit (or blood, or in the case of covid often the fluid we've drained off their lungs) hits the fan and hoses everything down with chemicals and UV light and makes it safe for the next patient to come in. What I do is not complicated, but it's very high stakes and I try to leverage all the information and resources available to me to do it as effectively as possible. I live this shit. It's real. Take it seriously.

So let me give you my very early observations about what's going on right now. The good news is that it looks like omicron is not as dangerous in terms of causing severe infection. The really bad news is that its looking like it's far more transmissible than delta was. This shit spreads fast and easy. Even with a booster and masks you need to take all precautions - basically just stay the fuck away from people as much as you can. We have more employees out on isolation right now than at any other point in the pandemic, so we're finally going back to visitor restrictions and daily entrance screening. If you have elderly or immunocompromised family members please just stay away from them and tell them to keep their heads down as much as possible for the time being.

This has scared a lot of people into getting their shots but there's a lag time - both for the vaccine to reach full efficiency and for the impact to travel around the population - so this is most likely going to get worse before it gets better. A lot of people still traveled for the holidays and still aren't taking this seriously so I'm expecting to see some harrowing infection stats in the coming weeks.

Shits bad enough that even Trump is telling his cult to get shots (with predictably depressing and hilarious results) which should tell you something. Yeah it might be a PR move because of how much shit is coming out about the coup, or he may have finally seen how fucked we are if we don't seriously change what we're doing.

hey man, thanks for posting this. people are getting lax all around me. I work in a school with a relatively high % of people who don't believe in vaccines and who also traveled for the holidays. My sister and I had to lay into our parents to stay away from parties with anti-vaxx family members this year. People do weird shit and make poor choices based on emotional wants- traveling and all that, as if loving someone will stop transmission of the virus. I have a hard time hearing people go on about not seeing their families for the holidays and not taking trips- I live 3600 miles away from my family. I love my family and very rarely get to see them. It's sad sometimes, but it doesn't kill me or anyone else. I've been wanting to go to Mexico for years now, had a plan before the virus came around, but you know what- I'm not fucking do it yet. I went to the weed store for candy the other day and the girl at the counter asked if I was going to a New Years show at the casino and very firmly I said "Nope." and she says "why not?" Are you serious? fuckin idiot. It's depressing as fuck sometimes, but whatever, this too shall pass.

I'm pretty terrified to go back to work in 10 days. Granted, I got smacked with Delta in August and was really sick, but I've still got to get my booster. And, honestly after having had covid, I'm nervous to repeat feeling sick again for a few days after the booster. I've got to plan it so I can get a few days off from work for the booster shot.

anyways, keep sharing the knowledge, bro
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #978 on: December 27, 2021, 10:37:39 AM »
Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?
Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.

Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.

Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work

Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long.  Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had.  That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact.  Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you?  It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.

My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net".  This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron.  The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.

Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.

(Lots of good stuff that I'm trimming for length but quoting to better delineate my post)

I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing.  Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option.  The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively.  There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.

I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.

The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily.  I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.



It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it.  The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work.  It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #979 on: December 27, 2021, 11:33:28 AM »
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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?
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Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.

Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.

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Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
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Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long.  Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had.  That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact.  Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you?  It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.

My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net".  This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron.  The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.

Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.

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(Lots of good stuff that I'm trimming for length but quoting to better delineate my post)
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I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing.  Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option.  The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively.  There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.

I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.

The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily.  I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.



It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it.  The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work.  It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.
As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating".  Most importantly is a proper fit.  We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers.  So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone.  Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face.  Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks.  If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after.  It will be packed with dust.  Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily. 

Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp

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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #980 on: December 27, 2021, 11:42:15 AM »
I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.

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« Reply #981 on: December 27, 2021, 01:03:56 PM »
I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.

we recently ordered some from a company we had gotten them from last year. the first order seemed legit, this order was absolute crap. KN95 printed upside down, a couple masks had holes in them. They refused a refund and offered to send a new batch. fuck that crap.
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« Reply #982 on: December 27, 2021, 10:49:10 PM »
Got my booster Friday and just had a fever the next day until about the 24 hr mark and from there just a little worn out until the next day. Then good as new.

Had a bit of a subtle panic attack with this one due to the change of setting versus my earlier shots. The first 2 I was in a huge facility with a hundred people getting shots in and out in about 1 minute, nothing to it.  This time I was in an empty costco, the 1 of 2 pharmacists took forever to prep the booster and kept asking the other which I needed, then had to go in a completely silent little room where he gave me the shot which stung a lot more than before and ultimately just fucked with my head at this point and almost passes out after lol. I just hate those weird overly medical feeling environments that give a certain feeling that can trigger some anxiety, only place that does it for me

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« Reply #983 on: December 28, 2021, 03:15:44 AM »
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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?
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Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.

Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.

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Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work
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Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long.  Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had.  That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact.  Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you?  It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.

My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net".  This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron.  The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.

Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.

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I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing.  Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option.  The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively.  There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.

I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.

The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily.  I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.



It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it.  The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work.  It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.
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As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating".  Most importantly is a proper fit.  We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers.  So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone.  Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face.  Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks.  If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after.  It will be packed with dust.  Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily. 

Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp

You're not necessarily wrong but you're still sort of doing "bro science" as it pertains to covid so I feel like I should say something.

First off, fit is indeed extremely important and any n95 or kn95 should be fit tested. I have a big dirty hobo beard that prevents me from making a seal so I wear a PAPR, but early in the pandemic I actually shaved it off at work because my face shield cracked and we didn't have a new one and I didn't want to take my chances with not being able to seal.

But, that's only for filtered masks that create a seal so its not as important as you might assume coming from a job where it's paramount. Most covid masks are designed to keep particles contained and prevent them from becoming airborne rather than filtering them. They absolutely do protect you (a good surgical mask is only like 15-25% less effective than an n95 from a filtration standpoint) but MUCH more importantly they protect everyone around us by shielding them from our disease holes. Even an improperly fitted n95 or a surgical mask will reduce the amount of crap we put out by like 80-90%, so filtration becomes far less important.

So it's not bad advice to say "fit is the most important thing if you're wearing an n95“. It IS bad advice and bro science to say that other types of masks are crap and won't protect you (or, more importantly, others).

There's a lot that goes into this with droplet size, viral load, materials science etc but basically for most people a good surgical mask is going to be the easiest, safest bet and miles ahead of a thin cloth mask or bandana. There's a reason we wear them in the absolute most critical infection prevention situation (when we cut you open) after all.


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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #984 on: December 28, 2021, 03:32:34 AM »
I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.

Honestly short of actually taking them in for testing it's not very easy to determine. You can google it and see if there's like a tell-tale packaging or batch number but that's probably a long shot. My advice is if you want to be absolutely sure then pony up for some good ones you know are legit and start handing those ones out to clients.

If they're unvented and well made then I'd probably feel safe wearing them in most situations though. I wouldn't do it for something high risk like where I work or riding a city bus during an outbreak, but just for like running into the gas station or something I'd be cool with it. Basically I'd just treat it like a cloth mask at that point.

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« Reply #985 on: December 28, 2021, 06:19:10 AM »
how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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« Reply #986 on: December 28, 2021, 09:23:58 AM »
As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating".  Most importantly is a proper fit.  We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers.  So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone.  Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face.  Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks.  If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after.  It will be packed with dust.  Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily. 

Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp

Fit is important and is everything, but the KN95 that are shaped like cones fit very well if you use them properly (I assume the same applies to N95 but I've not used them).  I've also used them for sanding and they worked perfectly; no dust in my nose.  If you have any mask, cloth or otherwise, it needs to seal well so that your breath is actually going through the mask.  If it's not going through the mask, then the mask isn't actually filtering like you said.  If you can't get a medical mask to seal, then you might be better off with a cloth mask that seals.

As for Coronavirus particles, the actual particle is indeed 0.1 microns at the smallest and 0.5 microns at the largest, and KN95 (and N95) masks filter out media that is 0.3 microns or larger.  However, you're ignoring one of the key issues with that thought process; viruses are transmitted through air by respiratory droplets and cannot pass without this media to transfer them.  Viruses spread by being carried within respiratory droplets.  Droplets less than 5 microns generally evaporate within a fraction of a second, large droplets larger than 100 microns settle in around half a second, and the particles that cause infection are generally between 5 and 30 microns as they are light enough to stay airborne and large enough to not evaporate.  There are other masks you can wear that still are somewhat effective.  Cloth masks have been found to be around 60% efficient at filtering out particles of this size and surgical masks around 90% efficient.  However, as the particles that spread the virus are still larger, even wearing a mask improperly is better than no mask at all.

In short, properly wearing a mask, any mask, will greatly reduce your possibility of spreading the virus, but wearing a mask at all will still reduce your likelihood of transmission like BR said.  Having a 2-3 ply cloth mask should get you close to a surgical mask, but surgical and N95/KN95 will offer the best protection.

I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.
The CDC has a database with test results of different manufacturers of KN95 masks, and if you scroll down the page you can find a list of masks that have been found to not perform to the standard and are assumed to be counterfeit.  You can cross reference these two lists to find one that meets the filtering standard and is not on the assumed counterfeit list, and if the company/model is not on either of the lists, avoid it.

They also have a list of absolutely known counterfeit masks.
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« Reply #987 on: December 28, 2021, 11:36:25 AM »
how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

I run a couple of housing programs for homeless youth. Being in management means I don't have to be on site as much but I do still have to be there most days. Just keeping programs staffed through Covid has been an absolute nightmare. One of my overnight people just came down with it... Now its scramble to find sub workers... Its beyond stressful...

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« Reply #988 on: December 28, 2021, 11:51:07 AM »
how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly
I am. I wish I got hazard pay.
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Re: Covid vaccine
« Reply #989 on: December 28, 2021, 12:12:15 PM »
They also have a list of absolutely known counterfeit masks.

Thank you for this CDC link for legit masks. Very helpful info for those in need.