Kratom

[johnes]

Don’t take it everyday.
After about 2 years of heavy kratom use, I find myself getting mild anxiety attacks and diarrhea if I go too long without taking it.
I got the agmatine to try and help me taper down.
Learn from my mistakes.
Kratom still works great for me tho.
It’s really the pain killing and stimulant effect that I love about it.
People wondering what’s the appeal; it keeps me motivated as fuck and able to go 100mph when I’m at work and skating.

Typically I don’t even take any after 5 pm but if I sleep later than 7am, I start having feelings of unease in my dreams, like annoying feeling dreams.

I know it’s going to be rough when I eventually have to quit in the future.
I have a few friends who take it once or twice a week and have been taking it for around 6 months and still are perfectly able to keep their use in check. I’m def not that kinda person. I go hard with every substance I’ve ever taken.

[johnes]

I bought a bag of this shit from a gas station on Saturday ate like a tablespoon and haven't shit since fuck you guys

Lolol, fiber pills or magnesium citrate bro.
My body has acclimated at this point to where I don’t need to take fiber anymore.
I shit just fine now but that first year, I was taking ten or more fiber pills a day.

[fulltechnicalskizzy]

Update: Kratom is great and shitting is overrated anyway

[winecrab]

I've been taking kratom everyday for the past 10 years. I just ate 28g of some good red Bali. I take around 2oz a day and the withdrawals suck but they're nothing compared to benzo withdrawals or real opiate withdrawals. I've tried every type of kratom from different vendors and red Bali is the most pain relieving/sedating. Green Malay is good too. And yeah, taking a shit is overrated. Take some magnesium and you won't have
any problems.

[butterballs for jerry]

I take ~2 grams before breakfast and the same around 2pm, like 7 hours later, usually with coffee. This shit is great at killing anxiety and boosting energy and motivation. I go with two different green strains on work days, one maeng da and the other name escapes me, usually maeng da second. On my days off I take a red, shit is awesome.

A local smoke shop sells those strains for 75 cents a gram, it's pretty sweet. They don't carry a white strain though, anybody have any experience with those?

Anyway, the super confidence from kratom is better than anything I've found. Adderall I'm too aggressive, and booze has about fifty negative side effects to its two or so quickly fleeting benefits. Weed is paranoia fuel. This shit is helping me quit booze (Day along with This Naked Mind.

Not looking forward to kratom withdrawals but I figure I can taper off like with booze. Any experience with WD's? 

[pugmaster]

I bought a kilo a while ago to feel like a G but have not used much of it. The only way to consume it, in my opinion is to put it in capsules. It takes quite a bit of effort to put it into capsules (not really, but I am lazy) so that is why I have not used it much. I spent I think 60$ on the kilo, so I won't throw it out. I thought it felt cool, I think it was white maeng? Pretty mellow. The thing I liked best is the poops!!!

Don't buy from gas stations. I bought from the site that Johnes referenced (might have been someone else). They were legit.

[johnes]

I take ~2 grams before breakfast and the same around 2pm, like 7 hours later, usually with coffee. This shit is great at killing anxiety and boosting energy and motivation. I go with two different green strains on work days, one maeng da and the other name escapes me, usually maeng da second. On my days off I take a red, shit is awesome.

A local smoke shop sells those strains for 75 cents a gram, it's pretty sweet. They don't carry a white strain though, anybody have any experience with those?

Anyway, the super confidence from kratom is better than anything I've found. Adderall I'm too aggressive, and booze has about fifty negative side effects to its two or so quickly fleeting benefits. Weed is paranoia fuel. This shit is helping me quit booze (Day along with This Naked Mind.

Not looking forward to kratom withdrawals but I figure I can taper off like with booze. Any experience with WD's?

White vein should hit you the same way you’re describing the green hitting.
Kratom strains are kind of a myth.
You won’t get any consistence from one vendors green Malay next to another’s, it’s not really a strain but more the way the kratom is dried that makes then decide what strain or “vein color” it will be.
You are taking a pretty small/responsible amount daily, withdrawal will most likely be lethargy and irritable feelings.
Side note:

I have had to raise my prices the last couple months, my wholesale prices have been going up but I’m still selling  decent amount, I make about $80 extra bucks a week from it.
I still have a local smoke shop who buys 50-80 bags from me at a time and they are really what’s keeping me in the business of selling.
I sell 100 grams to my locals for $20 but online sales I try to do a little less on the price to compete with the big sites but these days i def can’t compete with lots of websites kilo deals.

[fineslime]

so, where's everyone at with their kratom use since 2019?

over the past few years there's been a proliferation of kava and kratom bars popping up all over the country. there's a kratom bar two blocks away from where I work, and I find myself getting a tea pretty much every day before I work. I usually go with a half green half white for that extra boost in mood and energy. I have to talk to people and be in a good mood for a living, so it definitely helps a lot. at the same time, the days I don't drink one, I don't really notice that much of a difference. I used to play at the jam nights (that they don't hold anymore) at this kava bar and they've cultivated a really solid and supportive community and I've made quite a few friends at that place, which adds some incentive to go.

I was sober (less the kratom) for 10 weeks over the summer and getting a tea at the end of the night helped curb any craving for alcohol. I'll admit that I've been using it more than I, "should," but I haven't really experienced many negative side affects other than occasionally having a hard time falling asleep. I keep some powder at home and consume it by mixing it with hot water and just chugging it down.

who else is loving (or hating) the green sludge?

Edit: I wanted to add an experience I had with concentrated OPMS pills - specifically the Black label... a few years ago I was in a sober living where I got drug tested regularly. While I was completely clean from everything else, there was a smoke shop within walking distance. One day, I decided to get a single OPMS Black pill. To make a long story short, I ended up having to leave the house due to insurance stating I no longer needed treatment, but shortly after leaving I got a phone call from the house manager to see how I was doing.

She then went on to tell me I had popped for MORPHINE! I was honest with her about the kratom, and after doing research, you only pop for something like morphine if you take actual morphine or a derivative of it.

If you take those concentrated pills, know that there is a high likelihood that there are synthetic opioids being mixed in.

[fineslime]

stay away from this stuff

this post paired with your sig made me laugh hard.

[shouldn't]

i’ve taken kratom for about 5 years now, i started taking it after a car accident that left my shoulder badly injured because i didn’t want to start taking norcos again which i knew would eventually end up being roxys again & have me spiraling, especially with the fentanyl epidemic. in the beginning i admit i was taking way too much & getting really high. the “green sludge” always tasted like shit to me & the thickness/consistency of it to top that off made me throw up a lot, along with how much i was taking at one time. sometimes i would throw up after mixing it before even drinking it just from the thought/smell. sone people relate it to macha, i thought of the smell & (assumingely) the taste were much more like fish food. anyways, i cut down over time more & more to where i would take around 6 grams or so at a time. then slowly down to 3 & now i literally take one cap at a time (half a gram) which is hardly anything. i only still take it because the withdrawls are so bad for me, i stopped for a few days and went through hell before eventually giving up and buying more just to finally cut down to the bare minimum. this is coming from someone who used to take 10 norcos a day for a good while & up to 20 when i was injured a separate time. something about the withdrawals is worse for me than opiates, alcohol or any other drug have ever been. sometimes i feel the same feeling just from taking it. sometimes it feels like it does nothing, other times it completely shifts my mood or takes the pain away. i’ll wake up in the middle of the night & take one and fall back asleep for hours as well. i think it’s only when i’m withdrawing that it really becomes beneficial. it’s very hard for me to get off even at the most minimal dosage but i’m still trying. i don’t hate on it though for anyone that it truly helps & i definitely still recommend it over opiates obviously. that said, anyone who has successfully stopped, do you have any sort of tips as to how you did or what helped? anything would be appreciated.

[Sativa Lung]

so, where's everyone at with their kratom use since 2019?

over the past few years there's been a proliferation of kava and kratom bars popping up all over the country. there's a kratom bar two blocks away from where I work, and I find myself getting a tea pretty much every day before I work. I usually go with a half green half white for that extra boost in mood and energy. I have to talk to people and be in a good mood for a living, so it definitely helps a lot. at the same time, the days I don't drink one, I don't really notice that much of a difference. I used to play at the jam nights (that they don't hold anymore) at this kava bar and they've cultivated a really solid and supportive community and I've made quite a few friends at that place, which adds some incentive to go.

I was sober (less the kratom) for 10 weeks over the summer and getting a tea at the end of the night helped curb any craving for alcohol. I'll admit that I've been using it more than I, "should," but I haven't really experienced many negative side affects other than occasionally having a hard time falling asleep. I keep some powder at home and consume it by mixing it with hot water and just chugging it down.

who else is loving (or hating) the green sludge?

Edit: I wanted to add an experience I had with concentrated OPMS pills - specifically the Black label... a few years ago I was in a sober living where I got drug tested regularly. While I was completely clean from everything else, there was a smoke shop within walking distance. One day, I decided to get a single OPMS Black pill. To make a long story short, I ended up having to leave the house due to insurance stating I no longer needed treatment, but shortly after leaving I got a phone call from the house manager to see how I was doing.

She then went on to tell me I had popped for MORPHINE! I was honest with her about the kratom, and after doing research, you only pop for something like morphine if you take actual morphine or a derivative of it.

If you take those concentrated pills, know that there is a high likelihood that there are synthetic opioids being mixed in.

That sounds a lot more like a super coincidental incorrect test or them making something up because someone claimed they knew you were using or something. Kratom is cheap as shit and has no supply issues whereas morphine and it's derivatives, as well as the precursors to process it into a derivative, are some of the most controlled substances on the planet and thus super fucking expensive. I can't see any person concerned with making money substituting one for the other.

Synthetic opioids are what's everywhere now, but they wouldn't make you pop for morphine/smack (for heroin they're testing specifically for 6-monoacetyl morphine or 6-mam)...you need a different test to detect them. I could maybe see someone stupid using fentanyl or an analog that way because China and Mexico have absolutely flooded the streets in ways the CIA could only dream of, but I can't imagine people going through the trouble of growing poppy in a lawless country, extracting morphine base, smuggling it out, converting it into hcl so it could be absorbed orally, and then putting it in kratom pills that would sell for a fraction of their investment and no one going "hey why don't we just sell heroin instead?"

[GetItStraitRideKrooked]

Took kratom as my "suboxone" to keep from getting sick during my opiate dependent years when I'd run out of my stash. 2015 - 2020 but would use semi-moderately before then. I had a bad oxy problem 2012 - 2014 followed by being clean for a bit. Got back into oxys in 2015 and that lead me to heroin pretty quick. Dealt with that till 2019 when I finally quit heroin. With how the opiate game is now with all the fent and xenes out there, it makes it hella easy to stay clean. Sometimes I wish I could still get heroin but my self control is pretty bad with it haha.

I just passed 4 years clean from H though. I kept on kratom for a full year and a few months after that, slowly tapering down. The kick isn't that bad at all if you do an extended taper. I quit at the end of 2020.

I still use kratom every now & then, whether it's a bad day and I have hella cravings for opiates or if I am in pain or something. It's definitely best used in moderation. I limit myself to once a week max, but realistically the most I've used since quitting opiates is like twice in a month. The shit from headshops is bunk, there's some good vendors online though. I've been using the same one since 2016.

I usually fuck with Red Bali and Red Maeng Da. Do like a tablespoon (~7 grams) worth of sludge in some water with lemon juice which helps make it stronger. Glad this shit is available, otherwise staying off legit opiates would be hard. Just enough to tickle my opiate receptors without making me chase the dragon.

But yeah, moderation is key with kratom. Being physically dependent on it is pretty shit. When I was dependent on it I'd have to dose like 3x a day to not get sick. I'd wake up sick all the time until I took my morning dose. It definitely has a shorter half life than heroin.

But at the end of the day, being dependent on kratom was easier to manage than being a dope fiend. That's for sure

[IUTSM]

Kratom is a weird drug.

I feel like if you have never had a problem or extended relationship with opioids, there’s no point in fucking with it. I imagine opiate naive people could get really pretty high and have no idea what the WD they experience are from.

That said, the past few years if the itch comes, I could order a couple sacks from a particular vendor and not worry about using real drugs. Harm reduction is real! Even with the kratom though, it’s pretty easy to get high on it and lose a week or 5…

I feel like it’s a cheap high, regardless of quality and when it comes down to it, although not hitting the same receptors, weed does a better job at quelling anxiety, offering pain relief, etc.

[pugmaster]

I ended up throwing almost all of mine away after a couple of years of it sitting in my closet. It tasted way too gross and I didn't like having to take so many capsules. I really enjoyed the fiber they had and the resulting bowel movements.

[Sativa Lung]

I ended up throwing almost all of mine away after a couple of years of it sitting in my closet. It tasted way too gross and I didn't like having to take so many capsules. I really enjoyed the fiber they had and the resulting bowel movements.

By the time kratom became known about here my habit was already well past that point so I've never really had much luck with it, but your post made me wonder...does it constipate you like a traditional opiate? I would assume it would because it's basically doing the same thing (attach to mu and kappa receptor and stimulate), but from what I understand it's pretty weak comparatively speaking. In my experience it seems like a recipe for disaster to load yourself up on fiber while doing opiates haha... you'll get a whole new appreciation for the phrase "shit a brick"

[pugmaster]

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I ended up throwing almost all of mine away after a couple of years of it sitting in my closet. It tasted way too gross and I didn't like having to take so many capsules. I really enjoyed the fiber they had and the resulting bowel movements.

[close]

By the time kratom became known about here my habit was already well past that point so I've never really had much luck with it, but your post made me wonder...does it constipate you like a traditional opiate? I would assume it would because it's basically doing the same thing (attach to mu and kappa receptor and stimulate), but from what I understand it's pretty weak comparatively speaking. In my experience it seems like a recipe for disaster to load yourself up on fiber while doing opiates haha... you'll get a whole new appreciation for the phrase "shit a brick"

When I took kratom it was like taking a fiber supplement. Never had experience with opioids but kratom didn't cause any constipation for me at all.

[grimcity]

Opiates have helped me with pain, but they also make me a bit nauseous so I'd always reserve them for my peak moments, then kick back with some ginger ale and feel gross. After my back surgery, they had prescribed me some heavy shit (my wife's a nurse and she told me to be prepared to get knocked on my ass). Took 'em and felt awful... I wound up getting a medical cannabis referral and seeking out concentrates (which helps), but more recently my wife has been setting me up with red vein. I hate taking a stomach full of pills, but wow!

I had to find my dosage, at first they just made me go to sleep. Now though, I can legit feel some of the acute pain in both my back (rods/fused vertebrae) and under my knee (tibial plateau fracture/plate and eight pins) fade into the background. It's a fuckin' trip!

I don't dose every day though... my skating is pretty much reserved for Saturdays and Sundays, so I just skate without giving a fuck knowing I'll be in agony later (and sincerely try to limit my injuries to just simple slamming/no breaky breaky). Dose up on Sunday evening before food, then again over the next day or two depending on how busted I am. I sit and type at my computer for a living, so I just try to work and do as little as I can to aggravate anything, but by Wednesday the pain is way more tolerable.

I can't speak to issues with opiates, but I'm really hyped on the stuff... aside from the pain relief, I don't really get fucked up or anything, I just feel kinda "better" over all. It's not like being inebriated though.

[9inchdeck]

One of my best friends got addicted to this stuff and died from a seizure in his sleep. Don’t mess around with this stuff

[donkey]

I too have also quit recently after drinking it religiously for about 5 years. I have this kratom bar that I live near that sells great Red Bali tea and at my peak recently I was drinking about 16 ozs two times a week (sometimes three). My biggest gripe with it was it messing up my libido. I also started to really hate the way it tasted. Once I started quitting I realized how much this stuff has a chokehold on me. I never had any problems with opiates and I just got into it for the relaxation effect. I’ve been sober off it for about 3 months now and I don’t think I’m ever going back.

[fineslime]

I've posed this question to several people, a few of them being heavily involved in the, "kratom," community:

If you regularly use kratom, but no other substances, would you consider yourself sober?

[skate_or_dingus]

Did you know that Sunny Siljic or whatever is Kratom's son?

[fineslime]

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I ended up throwing almost all of mine away after a couple of years of it sitting in my closet. It tasted way too gross and I didn't like having to take so many capsules. I really enjoyed the fiber they had and the resulting bowel movements.

[close]

By the time kratom became known about here my habit was already well past that point so I've never really had much luck with it, but your post made me wonder...does it constipate you like a traditional opiate? I would assume it would because it's basically doing the same thing (attach to mu and kappa receptor and stimulate), but from what I understand it's pretty weak comparatively speaking. In my experience it seems like a recipe for disaster to load yourself up on fiber while doing opiates haha... you'll get a whole new appreciation for the phrase "shit a brick"

[close]

When I took kratom it was like taking a fiber supplement. Never had experience with opioids but kratom didn't cause any constipation for me at all.

My ex roomie was a heavy daily kratom user and I found laxative suppositories in my bathroom medicine cabinet when I moved in. I never asked what they were for but I kind of assumed it was due to the kratom use.

[GetItStraitRideKrooked]

I've posed this question to several people, a few of them being heavily involved in the, "kratom," community:

If you regularly use kratom, but no other substances, would you consider yourself sober?

I mean, it kinda depends you know. Idk about "sober" but you could say you're clean if you're using it to get off harder opioids/opiates. I looked at it as like a California sober type deal, but also a temporary thing that I was eventually going to taper off of.

I don't like the all or nothing mentality of sobriety as it is, so I don't really like using that term in general.

Also for the constipation questions in the thread, yeah I'd experience some mild constipation with Kratom. Nowhere close to normal opiates though, I do not miss the stabbing pains and not being able to get any relief bc my body was too relaxed and backed up. Talking like a week without taking a shit. I mean even pissing on normal opiates was a task. Sometimes the only way would be getting into a warm bath to take a piss. Don't miss that life really. I do wish opiates weren't so hard to get these days though. Seems like all the strict rules to make them harder to get is actually resulting in more deaths in the US since the alternative is street fentanyl and xenes. I swear shit was better in the pill mill days as far as deaths from overdoses. It seems better than what we've got right now where heroin is like extinct and fent is everywhere.

[IUTSM]

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I've posed this question to several people, a few of them being heavily involved in the, "kratom," community:

If you regularly use kratom, but no other substances, would you consider yourself sober?

[close]

I mean, it kinda depends you know. Idk about "sober" but you could say you're clean if you're using it to get off harder opioids/opiates. I looked at it as like a California sober type deal, but also a temporary thing that I was eventually going to taper off of.

I don't like the all or nothing mentality of sobriety as it is, so I don't really like using that term in general.

Also for the constipation questions in the thread, yeah I'd experience some mild constipation with Kratom. Nowhere close to normal opiates though, I do not miss the stabbing pains and not being able to get any relief bc my body was too relaxed and backed up. Talking like a week without taking a shit. I mean even pissing on normal opiates was a task. Sometimes the only way would be getting into a warm bath to take a piss. Don't miss that life really. I do wish opiates weren't so hard to get these days though. Seems like all the strict rules to make them harder to get is actually resulting in more deaths in the US since the alternative is street fentanyl and xenes. I swear shit was better in the pill mill days as far as deaths from overdoses. It seems better than what we've got right now where heroin is like extinct and fent is everywhere.

at least back then you more often than not knew what you were buying.

dope was heroin and a benign cut. oxy was oxy.

research chemicals are fucked up beyond belief.

[Sativa Lung]

Opiates have helped me with pain, but they also make me a bit nauseous so I'd always reserve them for my peak moments, then kick back with some ginger ale and feel gross. After my back surgery, they had prescribed me some heavy shit (my wife's a nurse and she told me to be prepared to get knocked on my ass). Took 'em and felt awful... I wound up getting a medical cannabis referral and seeking out concentrates (which helps), but more recently my wife has been setting me up with red vein. I hate taking a stomach full of pills, but wow!

I had to find my dosage, at first they just made me go to sleep. Now though, I can legit feel some of the acute pain in both my back (rods/fused vertebrae) and under my knee (tibial plateau fracture/plate and eight pins) fade into the background. It's a fuckin' trip!

I don't dose every day though... my skating is pretty much reserved for Saturdays and Sundays, so I just skate without giving a fuck knowing I'll be in agony later (and sincerely try to limit my injuries to just simple slamming/no breaky breaky). Dose up on Sunday evening before food, then again over the next day or two depending on how busted I am. I sit and type at my computer for a living, so I just try to work and do as little as I can to aggravate anything, but by Wednesday the pain is way more tolerable.

I can't speak to issues with opiates, but I'm really hyped on the stuff... aside from the pain relief, I don't really get fucked up or anything, I just feel kinda "better" over all. It's not like being inebriated though.

Anything that stimulates your opiod receptors is going to be good for pain, relaxing, and euphoric. It just makes you feel good...they named it heroin after how heroic it makes you feel after all.

The issues come when you try to quit. I thought I knew what addiction was prior to that, but I was clueless.

[fineslime]

welp... reviving this thread to say...

I need help quitting this stuff. I have been using it for a help in energy boost and mood before work for about a year, but I sometimes work 6 days a week. I am not eating the stuff all day every day, and I have not noticed any negative side effects other than very occasionally feeling a little nauseous, but I am definitely using it as a crutch and becoming dependent on it for work and I don't like that. I will admit though, lately, I am taking it in the morning with my coffee and I really look forward to it. ugh. not cool, fineslime...

for those who have quit, how did you do it? whenever I have quit using something, I cold turkey it. it is hard for me to justify quitting it when it really does serve a purpose and helps me a ton when it comes to doing what I do for work. maybe that is me justifying my use, but I have not been kratom free for over a year, so in reality, I don't remember what it's like to not be on it for a long period of time.

if you have any help, advice, or words of encouragement about quitting, I would really appreciate it.