Independent Trucks Mid

[munchbox]

Who do you think will be the first indy rider to get their name on a mid?

the most mid indy rider of course

[baustin]

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It's like no one has a bike or ikea furniture.....

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Bikes and Ikea are metric.  Kingpins are 7/32"

Okay but any self respecting adult should have a set of basic hand tools (standard and metric) for when the need arises. Reliance on skate-specific tools and the expectation of skate companies to provide you with tools is silly.

[backinaction]

Okay but any self respecting adult should have a set of basic hand tools (standard and metric) for when the need arises. Reliance on skate-specific tools and the expectation of skate companies to provide you with tools is silly.

You are comparing skaters to self respecting adults.  That's your first mistake.....

[rocklobster]

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It's like no one has a bike or ikea furniture.....

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Bikes and Ikea are metric.  Kingpins are 7/32"

Or you could buy those bundle of allen keys for like $2 and use the one that fits the kingpin.

[Paco Supreme]

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It's like no one has a bike or ikea furniture.....

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Bikes and Ikea are metric.  Kingpins are 7/32"

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Okay but any self respecting adult should have a set of basic hand tools (standard and metric) for when the need arises. Reliance on skate-specific tools and the expectation of skate companies to provide you with tools is silly.

Yo I fixed my shower head with an alien workshop skate tool

[jakeumms]

I don't think metric allen keys are all that common in the US. I can think of one occasion where I ever needed one and it was something made in Europe decades before that. That said, tools are cool and the more you have the more tuff n manely you are.

[j....soy.....]

Yeah I just have this huge Allen key thing for bikes and I only use like two of em....shit never bothered me....

[munchbox]

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It's like no one has a bike or ikea furniture.....

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Bikes and Ikea are metric.  Kingpins are 7/32"

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Okay but any self respecting adult should have a set of basic hand tools (standard and metric) for when the need arises. Reliance on skate-specific tools and the expectation of skate companies to provide you with tools is silly.

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Yo I fixed my shower head life with an alien workshop skate tool

[satan]

I don't think metric allen keys are all that common in the US. I can think of one occasion where I ever needed one and it was something made in Europe decades before that. That said, tools are cool and the more you have the more tuff n manely you are.

Should be easy to find metric at Sears or Kmart. Lots car stuff is metric now, even domestics.

https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/wrenches/25-piece-extra-long-hex-key-set-5962.html
$6 for metric and standard

[oldbummer]

what bushes should I run in my Mindy?

[Ghost Face]

Krux do sell the tool desperately. It's like $3.

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/dlk-kingpin-tool-truck-acc-krux

[darkelfdruid]

what bushes should I run in my Mindy?

the normal ones

[Mcidraque]

"oh mindy!"

[stets]

I've been rocking Krux/Grindking kingpins in Indy's and then Thunders for the last 5 or 6 years. While I prefer how low those inverted kingpins are versus these Royal/Film style kingpins, it is convenient to be able to use a normal 9/16ths wrench to adjust it.

That said, with all of this discussion about how hard it is to find an allen key that works with these kingpins. If they are like GK and Krux, they will be a 7/32 inch allen. I feel like at least at first, Indy might include a allen wrench with it like Krux did when they first introduced the Downlows back in the day.

But, if they don't, consider buying this Pig tool. It's the best tool I've ever had honestly, and has the 7/32 allen built in. Plus with a 3 prong wrench instead of the 2 on a standard Unit tool, you can get more leverage when setting up your board too. Plus, axel re-threader!

[chipped tail]

I've been rocking Krux/Grindking kingpins in Indy's and then Thunders for the last 5 or 6 years. While I prefer how low those inverted kingpins are versus these Royal/Film style kingpins, it is convenient to be able to use a normal 9/16ths wrench to adjust it.

That said, with all of this discussion about how hard it is to find an allen key that works with these kingpins. If they are like GK and Krux, they will be a 7/32 inch allen. I feel like at least at first, Indy might include a allen wrench with it like Krux did when they first introduced the Downlows back in the day.

But, if they don't, consider buying this Pig tool. It's the best tool I've ever had honestly, and has the 7/32 allen built in. Plus with a 3 prong wrench instead of the 2 on a standard Unit tool, you can get more leverage when setting up your board too. Plus, axel re-threader!

cool, take your trucks off to rethread. the reflex tool is where its at when it comes to rethreading. I didnt notice the kingpin head has a hex pattern to fit 1/2" socket so im less biffed about the allen key thing.

[el chino]

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It's like no one has a bike or ikea furniture.....

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Bikes and Ikea are metric.  Kingpins are 7/32"

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Okay but any self respecting adult should have a set of basic hand tools (standard and metric) for when the need arises. Reliance on skate-specific tools and the expectation of skate companies to provide you with tools is silly.

9/16 the fuck you talking about? 14mm too

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It's like no one has a bike or ikea furniture.....

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Bikes and Ikea are metric.  Kingpins are 7/32"

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Okay but any self respecting adult should have a set of basic hand tools (standard and metric) for when the need arises. Reliance on skate-specific tools and the expectation of skate companies to provide you with tools is silly.

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9/16 the fuck you talking about? 14mm too

Calm down there, he's talking about inverted kingpin allen wrenches, not normal wrenches for kingpin nuts.

[satan]

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/polished-215-standard-independent-skateboard-trucks
Just noticed this. 215's have a 187mm hanger. Makes sense that 189's would be a 215 replacement.


https://sk8supply.com/products/independent-215-trucks-silver-10-set-of-2

SOLD OUT UNTIL APRIL...

Place your order now to get in line, the next batch will Go Quick

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/independent-215-stage-10-standard-183mm-mid-raw-longboard-trucks-10-axle-set-of-2
Placeholder page?

[ILikeToMilkDucks]

I've been rocking Krux/Grindking kingpins in Indy's and then Thunders for the last 5 or 6 years. While I prefer how low those inverted kingpins are versus these Royal/Film style kingpins, it is convenient to be able to use a normal 9/16ths wrench to adjust it.

That said, with all of this discussion about how hard it is to find an allen key that works with these kingpins. If they are like GK and Krux, they will be a 7/32 inch allen. I feel like at least at first, Indy might include a allen wrench with it like Krux did when they first introduced the Downlows back in the day.

But, if they don't, consider buying this Pig tool. It's the best tool I've ever had honestly, and has the 7/32 allen built in. Plus with a 3 prong wrench instead of the 2 on a standard Unit tool, you can get more leverage when setting up your board too. Plus, axel re-threader!

I really like the Pig tool. Gave away my classic UNIT tool because of it. Nowadays I use the Pig tool for maintenance, the Silver tool for setups, and the Paris/Ace tool on the go. But the Pig was invaluable when I was using Krux kingpins.

[whatsreallygood]

The photos make it hard to tell if the kingpin clearance is shit or not. If it is, even with the inverted kingpin, you'll just end up unnecessarily hitting it like the royal trucks after skating them for a while, granted they're smoothed out. I wonder why no one just makes some sort of smooth top nut/washer that would be compatible with any truck since you could just screw it on. Seems like the baseplate had to be changed since they've got to get the threads for the kingpin in there. I wonder if it's the same height and geo as the forged trucks, without actually being forged and with a modified baseplate just to fit the inverted kingpin. Thus it wouldn't actually be changing the overall feel/turn/geo too much. I don't care about the shield, that'll get ground off in a day.

Side note but whenever people mention royal trucks I get marginally curious since I've never even seen them in the wild. I see some threads where they are considered garbage:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=98466.0

And other reviews where they're apparently better than ace?

https://skateboardingismylifetimesport.blogspot.com/2012/06/149-truck-comparison-test-final-results_04.html

Makes me semi wanna try them but I know I'd hate them with the kingpin clearance being exceptionally shit

[Xen]

I wonder why no one just makes some sort of smooth top nut/washer that would be compatible with any truck since you could just screw it on. Seems like the baseplate had to be changed since they've got to get the threads for the kingpin in there.

I get what you mean, like a cap....luckily we have these:




https://www.amazon.com/Krux-Hollow-Downlow-Kingpin-Silver/dp/B01AS5QDPC/ref=asc_df_B01AS5QDPC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=81269356449&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509

[whatsreallygood]

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I wonder why no one just makes some sort of smooth top nut/washer that would be compatible with any truck since you could just screw it on. Seems like the baseplate had to be changed since they've got to get the threads for the kingpin in there.

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I get what you mean, like a cap....luckily we have these:




https://www.amazon.com/Krux-Hollow-Downlow-Kingpin-Silver/dp/B01AS5QDPC/ref=asc_df_B01AS5QDPC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=81269356449&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509

Yeah these area great. No fuckin clue why indy wouldn't just take the krux kingpin and use that instead. Less RnD and a better result, unless maybe they don't wanna cut into krux sales? I get you need an hex key but the end result is generally much better than the "royal" alternative. I will say, a cap/nut would be especially cool since you wouldn't have to fuck around knocking out kingpins and locktighting bolts in the baseplate if it doesn't fit the nut etc. With that said krux are the gold standard for this, super cool they let people get them aftermarket. God I wish krux would turn more lol

[satan]

What's the bottom of the Krux top washer look like? Looks cupped, but does the bushing rest against a flat surface?


You're asking for a nut + washer combo?
That's called a flange nut. Lil bit tougher to find a nylon locknut version.
And unless you can find something really low profile (thin) it won't help height-wise.

Someone recently said 3/64" thick for Bones washers? I'll look for the post..
edit.. https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3229165#msg3229165
Look for a shim with 3/4" od, 3/8" id, then choose your thickness..
3/64" = 0.46875", ~1.2mm

https://www.mcmaster.com/90107a127 washer 0.040-0.060" thickness range, 1-1.5mm..
https://www.mcmaster.com/91877a132 Mil Spec washer 0.073-0.083" range, 1.85-2.11mm


https://www.mcmaster.com/93298a135
3/8-24 Nylon-Insert Flange Locknut
13/32", 0.4625", ~10mm height

https://www.mcmaster.com/94945a218 <- normal kingpin nut
Thin Nylon-Insert Locknut
17/64", 0.265625", ~7mm height

~0.2" difference is more than the thickness of a washer


https://www.mcmaster.com/90585a069
Similar to Krux bolt but idk length
Tough part is finding partially threaded with a smooth shank

https://www.mcmaster.com/90068a045
Similar to Krux top washer but od looks bigger

[whatsreallygood]

What's the bottom of the Krux top washer look like? Looks cupped, but does the bushing rest against a flat surface?


You're asking for a nut + washer combo?
That's called a flange nut. Lil bit tougher to find a nylon locknut version.
And unless you can find something really low profile (thin) it won't help height-wise.

Someone recently said 3/64" thick for Bones washers? I'll look for the post..
edit.. https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3229165#msg3229165
Look for a shim with 3/4" od, 3/8" id, then choose your thickness..
3/64" = 0.46875", ~1.2mm

https://www.mcmaster.com/90107a127 washer 0.040-0.060" thickness range, 1-1.5mm..
https://www.mcmaster.com/91877a132 Mil Spec washer 0.073-0.083" range, 1.85-2.11mm


https://www.mcmaster.com/93298a135
3/8-24 Nylon-Insert Flange Locknut
13/32", 0.4625", ~10mm height

https://www.mcmaster.com/94945a218 <- normal kingpin nut
Thin Nylon-Insert Locknut
17/64", 0.265625", ~7mm height

~0.2" difference is more than the thickness of a washer


https://www.mcmaster.com/90585a069
Similar to Krux bolt but idk length
Tough part is finding partially threaded with a smooth shank

https://www.mcmaster.com/90068a045
Similar to Krux top washer but od looks bigger

Oh yeah them I'm talking about a flange nut designed specifically for trucks. The "washer" part would better cover the bushing, and the nut part could be slightly rounded. Alternatively, the nut could be recessed in the washer like this:



I am sorry for my terrible illustration

[Yossi]

Anyone know when these will be available?

[Firebert]

The bottom of the krux washers do cut into the bushing and imo does change the turn of the truck. Krepers are better.

[Xen]

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I wonder why no one just makes some sort of smooth top nut/washer that would be compatible with any truck since you could just screw it on. Seems like the baseplate had to be changed since they've got to get the threads for the kingpin in there.

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I get what you mean, like a cap....luckily we have these:




https://www.amazon.com/Krux-Hollow-Downlow-Kingpin-Silver/dp/B01AS5QDPC/ref=asc_df_B01AS5QDPC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=81269356449&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509

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Yeah these area great. No fuckin clue why indy wouldn't just take the krux kingpin and use that instead. Less RnD and a better result, unless maybe they don't wanna cut into krux sales? I get you need an hex key but the end result is generally much better than the "royal" alternative. I will say, a cap/nut would be especially cool since you wouldn't have to fuck around knocking out kingpins and locktighting bolts in the baseplate if it doesn't fit the nut etc. With that said krux are the gold standard for this, super cool they let people get them aftermarket. God I wish krux would turn more lol

Seems 'stupid' until you start thinking that the downlow pin is really all Krux has going for it (for those people that care). There is a licence fee or anything since NHS OWNS Krux but they don't fully own Indy (fausto/emerico do even tho novak was a founder of indy)...so they can't just make it happen.

It also lends to the reason we're getting that shit inverted pin (that everyone is going to swap to krux anyway lol).

[Xen]

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What's the bottom of the Krux top washer look like? Looks cupped, but does the bushing rest against a flat surface?


You're asking for a nut + washer combo?
That's called a flange nut. Lil bit tougher to find a nylon locknut version.
And unless you can find something really low profile (thin) it won't help height-wise.

Someone recently said 3/64" thick for Bones washers? I'll look for the post..
edit.. https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3229165#msg3229165
Look for a shim with 3/4" od, 3/8" id, then choose your thickness..
3/64" = 0.46875", ~1.2mm

https://www.mcmaster.com/90107a127 washer 0.040-0.060" thickness range, 1-1.5mm..
https://www.mcmaster.com/91877a132 Mil Spec washer 0.073-0.083" range, 1.85-2.11mm


https://www.mcmaster.com/93298a135
3/8-24 Nylon-Insert Flange Locknut
13/32", 0.4625", ~10mm height

https://www.mcmaster.com/94945a218 <- normal kingpin nut
Thin Nylon-Insert Locknut
17/64", 0.265625", ~7mm height

~0.2" difference is more than the thickness of a washer


https://www.mcmaster.com/90585a069
Similar to Krux bolt but idk length
Tough part is finding partially threaded with a smooth shank

https://www.mcmaster.com/90068a045
Similar to Krux top washer but od looks bigger

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Oh yeah them I'm talking about a flange nut designed specifically for trucks. The "washer" part would better cover the bushing, and the nut part could be slightly rounded. Alternatively, the nut could be recessed in the washer like this:



I am sorry for my terrible illustration

You could also use a flange rivet nut (as long as it covers the top of the bushing for protection; I spent a while online last night trying to find something to fuck around with, couldn't find and rivet nuts that had a big enough flange AND were hex/allen 'inside' so you can tighteing properly...also, none of them seem to be locknuts.

[pointandclick]

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I wonder why no one just makes some sort of smooth top nut/washer that would be compatible with any truck since you could just screw it on. Seems like the baseplate had to be changed since they've got to get the threads for the kingpin in there.

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I get what you mean, like a cap....luckily we have these:




https://www.amazon.com/Krux-Hollow-Downlow-Kingpin-Silver/dp/B01AS5QDPC/ref=asc_df_B01AS5QDPC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=81269356449&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385587017896&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16226500283542134714&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031040&hvtargid=pla-826264547509

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Yeah these area great. No fuckin clue why indy wouldn't just take the krux kingpin and use that instead. Less RnD and a better result, unless maybe they don't wanna cut into krux sales? I get you need an hex key but the end result is generally much better than the "royal" alternative. I will say, a cap/nut would be especially cool since you wouldn't have to fuck around knocking out kingpins and locktighting bolts in the baseplate if it doesn't fit the nut etc. With that said krux are the gold standard for this, super cool they let people get them aftermarket. God I wish krux would turn more lol

ikea gives you free allen keys if you buy the right shit

[backinaction]

ikea gives you free allen keys if you buy the right shit

Ikea allen keys are all metric.  Because this is skateboarding, everything is imperial. The kinpin allen is 7/32" and isn't close enough to any metric size to be usable without them.