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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Steve Kelly on March 29, 2022, 11:59:20 PM
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Who has an endless bag of tricks and actually utilizes it throughout their career?
This is actually a big one for me because there are so few guys who put out video parts where you completely unsure what type of tricks they’re going to do. It’s the highest level imo and shows full mastery over the game. Even with all the amazing skating going on this trait is the rarest. It shows a good level of intelligence/awareness also. Like they’re keeping track of what they put out and not repeating shit too much. I appreciate this as I’m sure do lots of people.
I tried to think of 3 guys but struggled so here are my top 2
1) Ishod. He’s the epitome of this and is why it’s no stretch to call him the GOAT (at least in the streets). He can do any trick it appears and is always bringing variety to his parts. Never stale, always exciting. Basically in a league of his own.
2) Rodrigo Tx. Obviously keeps it within the ledge/manny/small gaps and rails realm, but he consistently surprises and is always doing tasteful shit. His career is a never ending progression of eye pleasing tech skating (never goes too far tech, which I’m sure he could do, but obv can look pretty disgusting)
Suciu could be up there also
There are tons of guys who are surely capable of doing a bigger variety of tricks but like to keep it a bit more simple. Tiago comes to mind. I love him but sometimes wish he’d show us more.
Let’s hear some more
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MJ, vov, daewon, Rodney Mullen, nugget
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i never know wtf richie jackson is going to do but thats because its richie jackson
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Those mentioned above
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PRod
Koston in his prime
Yuto is on his way
A thread could be made with the opposite of your question and would be pretty funny to see who pops up.
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MJ, vov, daewon, Rodney Mullen, nugget
Def Shane. Also Yuto as someone mentioned.
I have to disagree about Daewon. He’s a legend and has a big bag tricks no doubt, but there’s def a limit to the type of tricks he does, except maybe on mini and even then.
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jacopo carozzi
tyler surrey
gustav tonnesen
tom knox
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Louie Barletta.
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I’m sure Haslam could do all the tricks in the world if he wanted to.
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Penny definitely has a deep bag.
So does Carroll.
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I’m sure Haslam could do all the tricks in the world if he wanted to.
Him and Cobra Cole
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PJ aside from transition
theres tons of ATVs like:
GT
Ishod
AVE
Penny
Bob
CK1
Gonz
Haslam
Daewon
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Anderson
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Suciu always new tricks in his parts and if it’s a repeat the spot will be super interesting so it evens out
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Mike Carroll.
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PJ aside from transition
theres tons of ATVs like:
GT
Ishod
AVE
Penny
Bob
CK1
Gonz
Haslam
Daewon
A lot of the transition oriented ATVs like GT, Provost, Raven, etc really don't have any switch footage. Ave has a deep bag of ledge grinds, but if you watch all of his parts he probably has like 5 or so go to flip/shuv tricks. Great skaters, but not guys I'd throw in the deep bag of tricks category.
If we are talking tech-ledge stuff like TX? Henry Sanchez in his prime. I think his Pack of Lies part had the most NDB's ever when it dropped and likely still does. Carroll too. Dylan had a fairly deep bag of tricks, and could skate anything, and had a pretty deep bag of switch, nollie and fakie flip tricks down stuff (Elijah copied everything about Dylan except his switch tricks, and his ability to not push switch-mongo). MJ obviously. Pretty much any of the guys going tech-gnar down gaps and rails in the early 2000's like Koston and Apples did to.
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Evan Smith.
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A lot of the transition oriented ATVs like GT, Provost, Raven, etc really don't have any switch footage. Ave has a deep bag of ledge grinds, but if you watch all of his parts he probably has like 5 or so go to flip/shuv tricks. Great skaters, but not guys I'd throw in the deep bag of tricks category.
If we are talking tech-ledge stuff like TX? Henry Sanchez in his prime. I think his Pack of Lies part had the most NDB's ever when it dropped and likely still does. Carroll too. Dylan had a fairly deep bag of tricks, and could skate anything, and had a pretty deep bag of switch, nollie and fakie flip tricks down stuff (Elijah copied everything about Dylan except his switch tricks, and his ability to not push switch-mongo). MJ obviously. Pretty much any of the guys going tech-gnar down gaps and rails in the early 2000's like Koston and Apples did to.
i'll agree w you on the GT take, and the whole crailtap squad dominated the early 2000s and 2010s - Jesus Fernandez was underrated.
AVE really seems like he could do anything, the switch rail grind over the top in NYC for the thrasher cover really solidified that opinion for me.
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Todd Falcon, and you all fucking know it.
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i never know wtf richie jackson is going to do but thats because its richie jackson
Hot take... the reason why you never know what he's gonna do is because he has to invent his own shit because he can't do the staples in today's level of street skating.
Andy Anderson honestly is the person that comes to my mind in this conversation. Him and Evan Smith.
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Remember when Shane got a mini ramp to learn how to skate transition and he immediately learned switch tre nosegrind pop ins
so Shane O Neill
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A lot of the transition oriented ATVs like GT, Provost, Raven, etc really don't have any switch footage. Ave has a deep bag of ledge grinds, but if you watch all of his parts he probably has like 5 or so go to flip/shuv tricks. Great skaters, but not guys I'd throw in the deep bag of tricks category.
If we are talking tech-ledge stuff like TX? Henry Sanchez in his prime. I think his Pack of Lies part had the most NDB's ever when it dropped and likely still does. Carroll too. Dylan had a fairly deep bag of tricks, and could skate anything, and had a pretty deep bag of switch, nollie and fakie flip tricks down stuff (Elijah copied everything about Dylan except his switch tricks, and his ability to not push switch-mongo). MJ obviously. Pretty much any of the guys going tech-gnar down gaps and rails in the early 2000's like Koston and Apples did to.
i'll agree w you on the GT take, and the whole crailtap squad dominated the early 2000s and 2010s - Jesus Fernandez was underrated.
AVE really seems like he could do anything, the switch rail grind over the top in NYC for the thrasher cover really solidified that opinion for me.
I love Ave, but if you watch his DC Part, Mindfield, and Propellor parts, he has a very limited range of flip tricks. It's mostly switch tres, switch flips, and fakie flips out of crooks. Absolutely unreal skater, and I'd rather watch him than a ton of people mentioned in this thread due to the power he skates with, and being able to skate comfortably in any stance to get into almost any grind. Tons of guys have a deeper bag of tricks for a game of skate, very few can get a clip or a cover as memorable as Ave.
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vov
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Louie Barletta, Chris Haslam and Daewon are the three that immediately come to mind for me.
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Chris Cole, Daewon Song, Rodney Mullen, Tony Hawk, Chris Haslam, Shane O'Neill, Mark Suciu, Marc Johnson, Guy Mariano, etc.
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well seems like theres sort of two directions at least this can go in -
who can skate the most types of obstacles
and who can do the most variation on the most basic obstacles
those youtuber/instagramer guys tend to dominate the 2nd category (pine, jamie griffin, jonny giger) they do have a lot of wild ass tricks and can seemingly do them pretty consistently too (most of them)
then you have like the 2nd category who can do any type of terrain like GT, Ishod, Ave, etc. id actually say those guys excel in both categories
there is actually 1 guy that really stands out for me who excels in sort of both categories in my mind to an insane degree and its Zered Bassett. My friend always said "he is a session skater. he doesnt show up to a spot to get just 1 trick". his tour footage and even most of his video parts reflect that elegantly i always thought. would always show up and just murder gaps with like 20 different flip tricks. next. Brandon Westgate is kinda like that too but i feel like his bag of tricks was not as deep but he could hit a wider variety of spots.
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I’d put Jerry Hsu on that list. He has a pretty big bag of tricks that he’s utilized pretty well throughout his career.
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fuckin' Brad Cromer
fuckin' Daniel castillo lol
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PJ aside from transition
theres tons of ATVs like:
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One of the best ATV's currently is Austin Kanfoush and he's got a pretty stellar bag of tricks.
Cromer, obv Soochoo.
Gonna mix it up and say that, as far as pure transition and especially pool skating goes dudes like Jaime Mateu, Ronnie Sandoval, John Worthington, Gnarcel, Winkowski, Cody Lockwood and Chris Cope can really switch it up on yo mans. Not just the usual back smith, egg plant, lien to tail, back d, repeat, types of lines.
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well seems like theres sort of two directions at least this can go in -
who can skate the most types of obstacles
and who can do the most variation on the most basic obstacles
those youtuber/instagramer guys tend to dominate the 2nd category (pine, jamie griffin, jonny giger) they do have a lot of wild ass tricks and can seemingly do them pretty consistently too (most of them)
then you have like the 2nd category who can do any type of terrain like GT, Ishod, Ave, etc. id actually say those guys excel in both categories
there is actually 1 guy that really stands out for me who excels in sort of both categories in my mind to an insane degree and its Zered Bassett. My friend always said "he is a session skater. he doesnt show up to a spot to get just 1 trick". his tour footage and even most of his video parts reflect that elegantly i always thought. would always show up and just murder gaps with like 20 different flip tricks. next. Brandon Westgate is kinda like that too but i feel like his bag of tricks was not as deep but he could hit a wider variety of spots.
I think there is a middle ground that sort of combines the two. I feel skaters like Ishod, CK1, Wes Kremer, Daewon, Silas, Yuto, Koston, and Evan Smith. I find it hard to say someone has a deep bag of tricks when they film almost nothing switch. Some of my favorite skaters have almost very little to no switch footage (Danny Brady, Westgate, Alex Olson) that's documented. Similar to someone like Mike-Mo who had a deep bag of tricks in all stances, but wouldn't touch hand rails or hubba's really.
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I’ve never seen Leo Valls do the same trick twice. Or once, for that matter.
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matt tomasello.
no idea what anything he does is called, or if they can even be considered tricks.
but it's matt tomasello.
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Anderson
there’s 6 different pros with that last name.
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i never know wtf richie jackson is going to do but thats because its richie jackson
Hot take... the reason why you never know what he's gonna do is because he has to invent his own shit because he can't do the staples in today's level of street skating.
Andy Anderson honestly is the person that comes to my mind in this conversation. Him and Evan Smith.
I guess we should define ‘variety’.
If you are talking about ‘the most tricks in a particular discipline’, then
For Transition: Tony. And he probably invented half it them.
For Street: I dunno, you kids know better than me. But maybe Haslam.
For Freestyle/flatground: Rodney or Daewon.
For interdisciplinary, there are guys that can do 2/3 really well, but if we are casting a wide a net as possible, I gotta Gonz or &&
The thing about && is that he goes tangents (focused practices?) and kinda overdoes one trick at a time. Front-foot impossibles, coping dances, Mike Vallely stuff.
Which is unfortunate, because he has a ton of tricks that just come out in a stream-of-conscious way when he’s skating something new.
It’s just that in his popular videos, you just see the same 5 tricks a lot.
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PJ aside from transition
theres tons of ATVs like:
GT
Ishod
AVE
Penny
Bob
CK1
Gonz
Haslam
Daewon
Missing the mark pretty hard with some of these.
Penny is amazing but doesn’t have much of a variety at all.
Same goes for GT
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CK1. I got so hyped when Rat Poison and Bellingham came out thinking he was about to fuck the tech game yet again but he was grinding huge rails and doing super creative shit. Guy’s a wizard
MJ and Hsu for obvious reasons
Suciu always surprises he’s just an absolute natural
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Chris colbourn seems like he can do anything.