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i'm thinking about go up in size but i don't want to loose my flip tricks...my current set up is a 8.125 with 139, and i'd like to try a 8.25 with 149 but i hesitate...i know Reynolds prefers 139's even if he rides 8.5 boards
i know it's a current question in the setup thread but feel free to share your experience in this one
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I just set up some 149`ersa few weeks ago.
Didn`t make a gib difference. It feels more stable while setting the feet in position for flip tricks.
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skating 149's on an 8.25 right now and it feels better than the 139s i had on before. more stable and i think a better turn. i'm diggin' it and don't think i'll switch back.
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i'm thinking about go up in size but i don't want to loose my flip tricks...my current set up is a 8.125 with 139, and i'd like to try a 8.25 with 149 but i hesitate...i know Reynolds prefers 139's even if he rides 8.5 boards
i know it's a current question in the setup thread but feel free to share your experience in this one
Haha, I get "Loose" because you're talking about trucks HAHAHA, nice.
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yeah, this is the foreign humor haha
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Get the crail truck 145mm right in the middle ;)
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If Spartans skateboarder they would ride Indy 149s and a 8.25
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149s
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Unless you're a super tech skate... 149s feel way better on 8.25" and up board. Nicer turn, more grind surface and you'll get used to the rest.
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I would consider myself very much a tech guy and have no problems with flip tricks on an 8.5 board and 149's. It might feel a tad big at first, but you'll adjust more quickly than you expect. The whole setup just feels better and more stable on 149's in my experience. I wouldn't ride 139's on anything bigger than an 8.125 board.
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149's on an 8.25 (or 8.38 even) is like the greatest skate feeling ever. You will wonder how you made it on such narrow trucks.
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Once you ride 149s you will never look back. You may even wonder how you ever rode 139s.
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149's on an 8.25 (or 8.38 even) is like the greatest skate feeling ever. You will wonder how you made it on such narrow trucks.
just set up a new 8.38 on Koston 149s today and felt fantastic. Much better than my 8.1
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so everyone is rooting for the 149's ? no 139's supporters ?
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so everyone is rooting for the 149's ? no 139's supporters ?
Ive tried to step up to 149's twice over the last year while trying 8.25's. The 8.25 is alright but with the bigger trucks, it just feels too big and clunky to me.
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been alternating between 8.25 and 8.1s recently with reynolds hollow 149s. currently skating a FA 8.1 with the 149s and it feels great. took some getting used to at first but i don't see myself sizing down truck wise
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Get the crail truck 145mm right in the middle ;)
That's the worst suggestion you could give.
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so everyone is rooting for the 149's ? no 139's supporters ?
Ive tried to step up to 149's twice over the last year while trying 8.25's. The 8.25 is alright but with the bigger trucks, it just feels too big and clunky to me.
Same here, couldnt get down with the 149. 139 for life.
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im riding super loose 149s/8.5 board and it feels great
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I tried to go from 8" Venture Highs to Indy 149s. I thought the board felt like a boat, it didn't turn as well, and I lost a half inch of wheelbase despite the deck having a longer WB than my old 8.12" deck.
While it was easier to slash pool coping, I didn't like the way it felt when I did the "standing slash" aka "not properly locked in 5-0".
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i used to skate 149 when i was riding 8.2 and up, and it was great. honestly tho they both feel somewhat similar if you match your board size up. my only complaint was when i started to ride smaller boards with the 149's i felt like my stability in grinds was way off, but that only makes sense.....
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if changing your truck size a 1/2 an inch causes you to lose your flip tricks, you never had them in the first place; you were just getting lucky.
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Get the crail truck 145mm right in the middle ;)
That's the worst suggestion you could give.
It is reasonable. 149rs are too wide for me and 139 too narrow. CRAIL happen to make pretty damn good metal.
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I ride Thunder, but the 147 = Indy 149.
The 147 is good for 7.9" - 8.2"ish.
I was on the 145s on an 8.1" and it felt terrible. the 147s feel amazing. I'm probably going to stick to 8" - 8.2" for the foreseeable future.
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I ride Thunder, but the 147 = Indy 149.
The 147 is good for 7.9" - 8.2"ish.
I was on the 145s on an 8.1" and it felt terrible. the 147s feel amazing. I'm probably going to stick to 8" - 8.2" for the foreseeable future.
Nah bruh, the 147 is like indy 139. 145's are like 129's and are made for little baby children that rides their bike to school with an orange flag swingin from the back, thats why they felt terrible on a young adult sized skateboard.
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i think i'll stay with the 139's till they make 145's indys...thanks for the feedbacks pals
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so everyone is rooting for the 149's ? no 139's supporters ?
I like 139's in Indy but 44's in Aces. I change board size quite regularly and recently I've been 8.125 or under so have been sticking with the Indy's.
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8.25 + 149 = you're fucking stupid if you dont
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If you really have the flip tricks on lock you wouldn't lose it
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If you really have the flip tricks on lock you wouldn't lose it
^^^^^ bingo
I ride 169's on a 8.6 and my homies can still do flip tricks on my board.
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8.25 + 149 = you're fucking stupid if you dont
8.125 + 139 = that's where i am now ;D
If you really have the flip tricks on lock you wouldn't lose it
i haven't tried a 8.25 for the moment, i don't think i'd lose them, but it will require more effort to my old legs
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139s with a couple extra washers on the inside > 149s, just works for me i guess.
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Going to 149's was the best decision I made with my setup. ? I was tired of skating my 8.125's in the local wooden bowl or any bowls for that matter.I didn't want a 8.25 with 139's cause I felt like that defeated the purpose. ? At first I kept my 8.125 board with the 139's for anything else other than the bowl I was skating. I quickly realized the bigger wider board was way more to fun ride.
To be more technical, if you are riding 149's with a board smaller than an 8.25 than your weight transfer isn't getting out and over the axles and making it harder to turn. Rather than having a board that is just as wide if not wider than your trucks, you can turn them much easier cause your weight will be concentrated on the edge of the board, which in turn will be on or outside of the truck.
This is just me spit-balling at this point but I feel like with a wider board you have more leverage with your flip tricks. Say you have a 7.75 and you kickflip. Your flick is going to have to be more downward rather than outward, cause there is less surface for your foot to catch the board, making your board flip really fast. ? While if you have a bigger board, you can give a nice stylish flick out to the side,and that extra width of the board will help give you a "flick" rather than pushing down on it. I compare it to screwing around on just an old deck on carpet to having a full set up. This is just me though, and I'm curious if this makes sense to anybody else.
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139s with a couple extra washers on the inside > 149s, just works for me i guess.
good compromise
This is just me spit-balling at this point but I feel like with a wider board you have more leverage with your flip tricks. Say you have a 7.75 and you kickflip. Your flick is going to have to be more downward rather than outward, cause there is less surface for your foot to catch the board, making your board flip really fast. ? While if you have a bigger board, you can give a nice stylish flick out to the side,and that extra width of the board will help give you a "flick" rather than pushing down on it. I compare it to screwing around on just an old deck on carpet to having a full set up. This is just me though, and I'm curious if this makes sense to anybody else.
interesting, but Westgate on his 7.6 board ruins your argument...Emerica Introduces the Flick by Brandon Westgate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ycp2da4lCe4#)
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This just me spit-balling at this point but I feel like with a wider board you have more leverage with your flip tricks. Say you have a 7.75 and you kickflip. Your flick is going to have to be more downward rather than outward, cause there is less surface for your foot to catch the board, making your board flip really fast. ? While if you have a bigger board, you can give a nice stylish flick out to the side,and that extra width of the board will help give you a "flick" rather than pushing down on it. I compare it to screwing around on just an old deck on carpet to having a full set up. This is just me though, and I'm curious if this makes sense to anybody else.
I would agree with this to a point, on a 7.9 to 8.2 I'd say I keep my foot in a regular kickflip position and flick out and a little down but then 8.25 to 8.375 I would have my foot further on my board almost like an ollie position and use more of the board to flick. It takes more effort but still works. I've riden a friends 8.5 and at this point I found that I had to put my foot further off and kick more downward so I'd say depending on your height and foot size there is a sweet spot. Another thing though is that the wider the board would usually add to wheelbase and that can fuck with me. Can't 360 flip a longer wheelbase for the life of me.
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i remember when i first moved up to 149s it felt so weird. it made the board feel like a tank and the turning felt weird at first, but i stuck with it (mainly cuz i didn't have a choice, I had just spent 40-50 bucks on them, I wasn't going to shell out another 40-50 just for some 139s when I already had some perfectly fine trucks right under me) and maybe after a week or two I got used to them, and now I cant imagine going back down, 149s just feel way too right.
It's all preference though. My buddy has been riding 139s with 8.5s for years, and he rips.
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i'll add that a pair of indy costs 100$ in my country, that's why i'm so picky in my choice
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i'll add that a pair of indy costs 100$ in my country, that's why i'm so picky in my choice
Which country?
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a small french island in the indian ocean where everything is expensive as fuck
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139s with a couple extra washers on the inside > 149s, just works for me i guess.
this man knows^^ 2 inside each. i always wondered if doing it really made a difference haha
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This just me spit-balling at this point but I feel like with a wider board you have more leverage with your flip tricks. Say you have a 7.75 and you kickflip. Your flick is going to have to be more downward rather than outward, cause there is less surface for your foot to catch the board, making your board flip really fast. ? While if you have a bigger board, you can give a nice stylish flick out to the side,and that extra width of the board will help give you a "flick" rather than pushing down on it. I compare it to screwing around on just an old deck on carpet to having a full set up. This is just me though, and I'm curious if this makes sense to anybody else.
You get more leverage with a bigger board but it requires more force and speed to flip a wider board because you have moved weight away from the center rotational axis AND created a larger radius that a point (say the end of your axle) has to turn to complete a full circle.
Of course, some people have little trouble with the transition from one size to another but speaking for myself, I have a way easier time getting tech with a 7.75 than with an 8.5. At this point I rarely try to get tech so that isn't high on my board selection criteria.
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I ride 8.25s above Indy 139s routinely, but have given 149s a shot a time or two. For me, the 149s felt heavy and less responsive, as you have less weight distribution over the entire width of the truck. Moving up from an 8.125 to an 8.25 lost me feeble grinds though, as the board always flips over from the extra space (outside the axle) and the hangars seem narrow beneath a big board. That being said, I feel like it's easier to scoop tre's and shuvs because of the narrow-wide arrangement.
Blah, blah, blah. Ask a mate with the different setup to have a roll and see what you make of it.
Cheers.
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david gravette's opinion on 149's from 2 years ago David Gravette Skateboard Setup Alli Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=coYj4PmRjso#)
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139s with a couple extra washers on the inside > 149s, just works for me i guess.
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This is just me spit-balling at this point but I feel like with a wider board you have more leverage with your flip tricks. Say you have a 7.75 and you kickflip. Your flick is going to have to be more downward rather than outward, cause there is less surface for your foot to catch the board, making your board flip really fast. ? While if you have a bigger board, you can give a nice stylish flick out to the side,and that extra width of the board will help give you a "flick" rather than pushing down on it. I compare it to screwing around on just an old deck on carpet to having a full set up. This is just me though, and I'm curious if this makes sense to anybody else.
He also has like a 7.5 shoe size from what I've read.
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139s with a couple extra washers on the inside > 149s, just works for me i guess.
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This is just me spit-balling at this point but I feel like with a wider board you have more leverage with your flip tricks. Say you have a 7.75 and you kickflip. Your flick is going to have to be more downward rather than outward, cause there is less surface for your foot to catch the board, making your board flip really fast. ? While if you have a bigger board, you can give a nice stylish flick out to the side,and that extra width of the board will help give you a "flick" rather than pushing down on it. I compare it to screwing around on just an old deck on carpet to having a full set up. This is just me though, and I'm curious if this makes sense to anybody else.
...and 7.6 ventures low Get Set Up | Brandon Westgate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aFMgmNZMzKo#)
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(http://www.tactics.com/a/5txb/9/independent-forged-titanium-stage-11-skateboard-trucks-silver-149.jpg)
139's titanium forged with extra speedrings may be the absolute answer...
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just bought a set of raw 139's, no need to change what already works
(http://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_detail/Independent-Raw-139-Stage-11-Skateboard-Truck-_209556.jpg)
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They're both good but obviously it's a personal preference. 149s and 8.25 is a great combo, a bit more surfy and solid, while a 139 with 8.18 is more responsive and easier to pop and flick. Ask to ride other peoples setups, that's the best way to test without spending a fortune on product you don't like. Theeve TIAX 5.5 is another option.
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149's are a lifestyle. ? For a year or so I was riding 8.4's with 149's ...then I wanted to feel young again and skate an 8" with 139's (which is still way bigger than what I was riding in 05-06, which was 7.75's with venture lows) ? Anyway, I set that up the 139's and broke my ankle the next day. Fast-forward two years and I'm riding an 8.18 with 139's that have 2 washers on the inside and one on the nut end and I'm also running wide-cut wheels.. Good compromise that enables me to feel like I have a setup suitable for most scenarios and fits my stature...6 feet, size 10, 165 lbs...I have spend way too much time considering this and have even emailed Indy about making a 145. Trust me, I wish I didn't care this much about this shit..
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo262/zacchil82/IMG_1139_zps14356dd3.jpg) (http://s382.photobucket.com/user/zacchil82/media/IMG_1139_zps14356dd3.jpg.html)