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http://www.muckmouth.com/josh-swindell (http://www.muckmouth.com/josh-swindell)
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arto and dylan visited josh swindell in jail a few years ago?
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damn
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this is what you're going to skip to instantly anyways so here it is
The early nineties were rife with rumours around what you, Danny Way, Tommy Caudill and the rest of the XYZ crew were getting up to, as you all seemed to run ran pretty wild. The skate rumour mill and things hinted at in Big Brother gave the impression that you were throwing stuff through car windows, shooting at horses, fighting Markovich and some other pretty sketchy shit, was that an accurate representation of you guys at the time?
We were definitely wild kids or young adults. Those are actually the mellower events that took place; however, I don?t remember any horse getting shot? I don?t remember ever hurting animals. The Markovich story was all Danny. Kris hooked up with the chick Danny was going out with at the time (Karen) and supposedly talked shit about Danny. Earlier that day we had tracked down a guy that had broken into Danny?s car and stole his cell phone, wallet and stereo. When we confronted the guy he admitted to stealing Danny?s stuff, but said he sold it, didn?t have any money and that Danny was burnt. The guy basically said ?Fuck you! You aint getting shit.? Instead of Danny beating his ass he pee?d all over himself. I was actually embarrassed for Danny so I beat the dude up. When we got back to XYZ and told Tommy what happened he (Tommy) ridiculed Danny hard. He told him how disgusted he was with Danny and what a pussy he was. So, when the opportunity presented itself to redeem himself by fighting Kris he took it. It didn?t end well for Danny. As far as the other stuff, yeah, we were gnarly vandals. I don?t even remember half the shit we did. Between Danny, Tommy, Colin, Jordan Richter and myself we were always trying to one up each other. For me that crap grew to becoming physically violent. What used to be juvenile bullshit had grown to me becoming a full on criminal. It was a dark path I was on, for sure.
Clearly Steve Mateus and Danny Way were with you that night. Presumably you were all just out for a drink, was there something in particular that got you all fired up?
Yes. While I was in prison I had no access to the internet or gossip sites. I really was in the dark as to what people thought happened. When I paroled I began reading that shit and was floored. There?s rumors that Danny and I were driving around looking to kill somebody; that we got caught with a body in the trunk of a car; that we were shooting illegal aliens crossing the border. All of it beyond ridiculous! I definitely was drunk that night. In those days sobriety wasn?t in the cards. The bar was serving free beer and to a 20 year old drunk free beer is the greatest thing ever.
There are lots of rumours, theories and pure speculation as to what went down and who did what that night outside the bar in Azusa. Could you clear it all up once and for all and give us a detailed breakdown of the night - who exactly was there, what actually happened, why it happened and how drunk/high you guys were at the time?
Here?s the abbreviated version: A bunch of us showed up to this private party at a bar. The only notable skaters there were Ronnie Bertino and Danny. Danny told me that some guy (Keith Ogden) was coming on to him and laughing about it. Keith had obviously wandered into a hornets nest if what Danny said to me was true. So, I walked Keith out of the bar, told him it was a private party and to split or he?s going to get beat up. I didn?t threaten him personally. What?s tolerated now wasn?t in that era and a guy coming on to another guy in a bar that isn?t a gay bar was all bad. Awhile later he came back so I escorted him out again since there was no official security. By that time I was drunk and did threaten him. Still, nothing physical took place. An hour or so goes by and we hear that there?s a fight out front. When I walk out the door the first thing I see is Danny Way out cold, bleeding from the mouth. I asked out loud who hit Danny and Steve Mateus responded with ?That fag sucker punched Danny!? So, we get Danny back inside the bar and he?s clueless as to what happened. A bit later I find out that Keith?s behind the bar so I go out there with the intention of kicking his ass for sucker punching Danny. To me and everybody else in the bar, Keith appeared to be drunk. In reality he was suffering from a pre-existing brain injury. He actually left L.A. County Medical Center (General Hospital) the day before AMA (against Medical Advice). The hematoma on his brain was so large that the doctors were debating whether to drill a hole in his head to relieve the pressure on his brain. Anyway, I began walking Keith away from the bar with the intent to beat his ass. While I was walking away it became quite clear that the guy was in no position to fight. Then this guy Robert comes running up from behind, jumps in the air and kicks Keith in the back. Keith?s head slammed into my face from being kicked into me and even though it wasn?t his fault, all of my anger was directed towards him. I took out that anger on Keith in a physical manner. I kicked him about three to five times in the upper torso and face. Steve Mateus then began kicking him as well. I told Steve to stop, which he did. Keith was definitely fucked up and unconscious, but alive. None of us knew he had this pre-existing brain injury and was dying. We just felt he got KO?d. An hour later the cops show up and what does a skater do when he sees cops? He splits. I didn?t really think anything of it. The next morning I found out that Keith had died. I couldn?t believe it. Once I was arrested three weeks later a lot of stuff came to light. First up, Danny hadn?t gotten sucker punched by Keith. Danny was the one who sucker punched Keith and then some guy in turn punched Danny. Also, after the incident where I kicked Keith behind the bar, Steve Mateus went back out and stomped the life out of him with nobody around to see. Steve was wearing a size 8 Vans shoe that night and left that diamond sole pattern of a Vans shoe on Keith?s face and in blood around Keith?s final resting spot. Vans was my shoe sponsor from 1988 right up till the point of my arrest in 1993. I wore a size 10. There were no size 10 patterns anywhere in the vicinity. The whole thing was a mess. The legal proceedings that followed were a joke. When it comes to the law you get what you pay for and I was broke. My court appointed lawyer was awful. Not only that, but Steve Mateus made a deal with the prosecution for a light sentence (6 years where he only served 3) in exchange for his testimony (lies) against me. The judge railroaded me into a life sentence as well. He should have given the jury the option of manslaughter, which is what this case really was. Instead they had two options: 1st and 2nd degree murder, both carry life sentences. After a day of deliberations the jury came back and wanted to know if they could find me guilty of manslaughter instead of murder. He said ?No!? and they ended up finding me guilty of the lesser of the two charges, 2nd degree murder. I was then sentenced to 15 years to life and shipped off to prison. A month later that same judge (George Trammell) was brought up on some serious corruption charges. Google his name. That?s basically what went down. My actions were definitely criminal. I deserved to do some time; however, 19 years, 1 month and 8 days is a ridiculous amount of time for what I did.
Were the other guys arrested as well?
The only other person that was charged in this case was Steve Mateus. Like I mentioned beforehand, he made a deal with the prosecution. The guy who started it all (Robert) was never arrested or charged. Either was Danny. There was a point in the legal proceeding where Steve Mateus?s attorney started to blame Danny for what happened. I was ready to do an open plea for 30 years to life to pull Danny out of this. My loyalty to Danny was solid and has remained solid since day one. Unfortunately Danny?s caught up in his own world and can?t see beyond what benefits him. To me it?s sad.
Obviously it's pretty much worst case scenario in terms of the outcome, apart from leaving the house at all that night, what are your main regrets from what happened?
I laugh when I hear people say they have no regrets in life. Everybody has regrets. They might not be as big as mine, but they have regrets. My biggest regret was that I took part in taking a man?s life. Even though there were circumstances involved, the bottom line remains; I?m responsible for the loss of Keith. I should have been a man that stepped up and put a stop to what happened. Instead I charged forward. The whole reason I attacked Keith was out of a fucked up sense of loyalty to Danny. I felt like I had to redeem and protect a guy who I viewed as a brother. There is no main regret. There?s a whole bunch!
fuck danny way
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So heavy.
I remember being little and hearing the crazy rumours too.
19 fucking years. Holy fuck. Dude is made from strong stuff to be able to come out on the other end of that. And with his shit together.
So rad to hear it from his muckmouth!! Well done.
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After all this time it's cool to hear his side of the story. I didn't expect such honesty and remorse. Too bad that you often have to learn who your friends are the hard way. That was a really great interview. I hope he does well.
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Definitely a great interview.
And great to hear the other Side as well.
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Good Job Muckmouth!
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Wow. Fucking amazing. Muckmouth straight killing the game.
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Wow, never thought I'd read this interview. Good work, Muckmouth.
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Damn Danny Way is on some next level scumbag shit
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Damn Danny Way is on some next level scumbag shit
For fucking real. Fuck that dude.
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Glad the truth finally comes out. No wonder why Danny never wanted to shed any light on the topic.
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danny way is the worst
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so there were no bricks? where did that part come from?
actually this is worse than a brick because danny just dodged the entire situation and didnt take any heat for what actually happened. he just let his boy hang & that is beyond fucked up to me.
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crazy good interview
amazing he's so level headed and at peace with the situation.
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This interview almost made me cry. I'm glad this guy went through so much personal growth and is now a very humble man. And I must agree with everyone else and say FUCK DANNY WAY. Platinum Skateboards literally made a shirt that says "We kill fags". Nice one, Danny, you jock dipshit.
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I speak for the whole Chilean Skateboarding community by saying that Mr. Way is a piece of dry shit for letting his friend spend all that time in jail without saying a word and in the process becoming a millionaire with one of the only things that brings happiness and Joy to all of us: Skateboarding.
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this is crazy. glad to see hes doing well
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Skating on food trays, huh? I'll have to try that one out next time I'm detention'd. 5 tries for a kickflip ain't bad if you haven't skated in 19 years 8 months...
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The Judge he mentions in that interview does sound like a really fucked up guy (with yellow fever, apparently) :o
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/george-w-iii-trammell (http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/george-w-iii-trammell)
The case against Trammell grew out of a sexual relationship he had with a woman while her husband was awaiting sentencing in his court on kidnapping and other charges.
Former Superior Court Judge George W. Trammell III was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison Wednesday for giving favored treatment to a criminal defendant with whom he had a clandestine sexual relationship.
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:o
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I heard Danny Way is going to talk publicly about this and make it up to Josh, right after the Plan B video drops.
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I heard Danny Way is going to talk publicly about this and make it up to Josh, right after the Plan B video drops.
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wow. that was so good. heartfelt and great to hear he's on a good path after all this. a tearjerker reading the end of that.
Am I tripping or was there a Think ad sequence of Josh front popping the Gonz gap.
Can anybody post that if it exists.
Welcome back Josh!
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damn yo peeps can't hide for shit now that the internet is in full swing as opposed to the pre internet days where josh had no voice behind the walls. Its dope that oblow stuck around and held him down. I wonder what arto's relationship was like with josh? anyways Danny way aint a real one. Ill give him his skate legacy but as a person that was pretty shady. It aint like he was doing fed time he could of put money on a nigga books or wrote a letter or something? Josh held him down. I wonder if Danny is gonna respond?
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Wow.
Muckmouth is on fire.
Great work.
That's the holy grail of interviews right there.
Who is next ? Rocco? Gator?
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
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i always thought that danny was this no non-since 'kick ass and take' names type of dude. i don't think i've ever pissed myself or gotten knocked out for starting a fight.
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. �who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. �I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. �this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
I don't think Danni Weigh will tell his side of the story..also danni should of done time for being an accomplice.
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I heard Danny Way is going to talk publicly about this and make it up to Josh, right after the Plan B video drops.
I don't think there's anything danny can do to make up for what josh went through. Nineteen fucking years, dude.
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
not sure where you see a complication. Danny Way tried to start a fight and the result was one person losing their life and another person going to jail for twenty years. on top of that Danny Way refused to ever speak about it or accept any role of responsibility in the situation.
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Danny doesn't owe Josh anything. He didn't make Josh do what he did. If you think that you're juvenile.
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Danny doesn't owe Josh anything. He didn't make Josh do what he did. If you think that you're juvenile.
maybe not but dw deserved to spend time in jail..For Sure!
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
he works for Rockstar now..
http://xgames.espn.go.com/skateboarding/article/8367640/former-pro-skateboarder-josh-swindell-released-prison (http://xgames.espn.go.com/skateboarding/article/8367640/former-pro-skateboarder-josh-swindell-released-prison)
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"Instead of Danny beating his ass he pee?d all over himself. I was actually embarrassed for Danny so I beat the dude up."
Huh?? I can't even...
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Good job MM, but you missed the one question everyone wants answered: what does Josh Swindell think about Boston skate shops?
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He reminds me of Bo Turner or Lennie Kirk. Both uncontrollable and a little unpredictable, always getting in the middle of stuff (well as far as you can tell in the interviews)
any excuse for this 4.30
H Street Hokus Pokus (1989) Part 2 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eAl31gfBjk#)
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Danny doesn't owe Josh anything. He didn't make Josh do what he did. If you think that you're juvenile.
maybe not but dw deserved to spend time in jail..For Sure!
Not really..... although one could argue that the entire sequence of events that played out that night would have never happened had D Way not sucker-punched Ogden, he was unconscious for everything that unfolded and basically had no control over what other people did once he got KO'd. I think it all depends on what perspective you look at it from. I want to call D Way a coward for not manning up to his involvement in the whole thing and failing to support his homie through it all, but I have no concept of how hard that must've been for him to deal with at the time. But obviously what D Way went through was nothing compared to Josh losing almost 20 years of his life, so in that regard, yes, fuck Danny Way 1000%
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This tread just concretes how stupid the general population of skateboarding is. If Danny's involvement would have been deemed responsible for the guys death, even minimally, he would have had charges brought against him. Period.
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This tread just concretes how stupid the general population of skateboarding is. If Danny's involvement would have been deemed responsible for the guys death, even minimally, he would have had charges brought against him. Period.
lol, that's a very cute and ignorant opinion. you should do a little research on the american justice system ;)
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This tread just concretes how stupid the general population of skateboarding is. If Danny's involvement would have been deemed responsible for the guys death, even minimally, he would have had charges brought against him. Period.
lol, that's a very cute and ignorant opinion. you should do a little research on the american justice system ;)
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So... Danny punches Keith, someone knocks out Danny, Josh mistakenly beats up Keith, and Steve finishes the job.
I'd say fuck Steve and Josh, Danny isn't an accomplice to murder just because he sucker punched him before other people murdered Keith. Sure, he may be a terrible human, but that's irrelevant to the legal system.
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I heard Danny Way is going to talk publicly about this and make it up to Josh, right after the Plan B video drops.
I don't think there's anything danny can do to make up for what josh went through. Nineteen fucking years, dude.
My comment
Your head.
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With so much drama on SMB, it's kinda hard for DWay now that Swindell's free.
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With so much drama on SMB, it's kinda hard for DWay now that Swindell's free.
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I heard Danny Way is going to talk publicly about this and make it up to Josh, right after the Plan B video drops.
I don't think there's anything danny can do to make up for what josh went through. Nineteen fucking years, dude.
Your head.
I know dude, I'm having a bad week.
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This tread just concretes how stupid the general population of skateboarding is. If Danny's involvement would have been deemed responsible for the guys death, even minimally, he would have had charges brought against him. Period.
This tread is concreting all over the place yo.
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With so much drama on SMB, it's kinda hard for DWay now that Swindell's free.
Somehow someway d way comes out with new release date like every single day
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Danny Way tried to start a fight and the result was one person losing their life and another person going to jail for twenty years. on top of that Danny Way refused to ever speak about it or accept any role of responsibility in the situation.
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Danny doesn't owe Josh anything. He didn't make Josh do what he did. If you think that you're juvenile.
maybe not but dw deserved to spend time in jail..For Sure!
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This tread just concretes how stupid the general population of skateboarding is. If Danny's involvement would have been deemed responsible for the guys death, even minimally, he would have had charges brought against him. Period.
lol, that's a very cute and ignorant opinion. you should do a little research on the american justice system ;)
I don't think Danni Weigh will tell his side of the story..also danni should of done time for being an accomplice.
I always trust any legal advice/opinions from random people on the internet, especially guys on skateboarding message boards who use LoL's and smileys...
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So is he rich from DC getting sold?
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I was already kinda thinking Danny Way is a douche for putting his name on the side of the Great Wall of China after he jumped it. Well, maybe China did that for him. But I still think it's stupid. Thousand+ year old monument don't need his name on the side of it.
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With so much drama on SMB, it's kinda hard for DWay now that Swindell's free.
MY FUCKING GOD I LOL'D!!!!!!!!
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I was already kinda thinking Danny Way is a douche for putting his name on the side of the Great Wall of China after he jumped it. Well, maybe China did that for him. But I still think it's stupid. Thousand+ year old monument don't need his name on the side of it.
But the tagging on the great wall is cool though right?
Really though, I have respect for a lot of the stuff Danny Way has done on a skateboard. After this interview I have way more respect for Swindell as a human. Still, there's several sides to every story, gotta talk each person's account with a grain of salt.
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I was already kinda thinking Danny Way is a douche for putting his name on the side of the Great Wall of China after he jumped it. Well, maybe China did that for him. But I still think it's stupid. Thousand+ year old monument don't need his name on the side of it.
But the tagging on the great wall is cool though right?
I didn't know/think there was tagging on it. Also not cool.
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i'm kind of curious about his lady
19 years is a long time to hold someone down, especially when he went in there when he was just a crazy kid
also they both look hella young ??? was he even an adult when he went in
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He was 21 when he went in. He is around 42 right now.
Cheers for all the comments guys. Really hyped on this interview and the reception it's getting.
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. �who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. �I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. �this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
This.
Danny was a angry kid, we all know that. homophobic as well, probably from getting molested by one of his mom's stepfathers at one point is my guess.
He reacts badly to some gay dude in a bar somewhere. His drunken psycho friends beat the dude to death. Danny at that point could be forgiven for maybe thinking of Josh as that friend that he was kinda ready to outgrow. He didn't throw him under the bus in the interview, though.
All these dudes really sound like pieces of shit back then, but sounds like Josh has used it as a springboard for a lot of growth. So good on him.
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um, so according to the interview when danny way was drunk and 20yo, he sucker punched someone in a bar(oooooh) an then let someone rot in jail (i suppose he coulda stopped by an gave him a hug?or busted him out?) you guys are a "pack of faggots" After YEARS of people on slap and other forums saying that danny had a brick in his hand, the JOSH SWIDELL interview drops and josh assurts that "danny way dosnt know how to be a freind!! (ooooooh)" - The slap forum dosnt say, "Hey guess we were wrong", nope, somehow danny is a bigger "scum bag" than b4-- talk about slap having its cake and eating it too.. Im super happy that 1st of all, danny way ONLY sucker punched someone in a bar and got istant karma (imediately punched hard back by someone) and also happy for josh swindell for getting out, being alive and taking responsibility. But the slap forum should at least admit that they hate danny way ONLY cuz of his stupid jock head!! the interview plainly spells out that danny way in no way took part in a 3 on 1 psycho episode that left someone dead as fuk
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'Danny may have suckerpunched Keith'
So, we now know that Keith had a brain injury. I think there is a high probability that Danny's sucker punch could have led to this guy's death...I think Josh got the raw end of the deal here, Danny should have been held somewhat responsible.
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not sure where you see a complication. Danny Way tried to start a fight and the result was one person losing their life and another person going to jail for twenty years. on top of that Danny Way refused to ever speak about it or accept any role of responsibility in the situation.
this is the only post worth reading
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um, so according to the interview when danny way was drunk and 20yo, he sucker punched someone in a bar(oooooh) an then let someone rot in jail (i suppose he coulda stopped by an gave him a hug?or busted him out?) you guys are a "pack of faggots" After YEARS of people on slap and other forums saying that danny had a brick in his hand, the JOSH SWIDELL interview drops and josh assurts that "danny way dosnt know how to be a freind!! (ooooooh)" - The slap forum dosnt say, "Hey guess we were wrong", nope, somehow danny is a bigger "scum bag" than b4-- talk about slap having its cake and eating it too.. Im super happy that 1st of all, danny way ONLY sucker punched someone in a bar and got istant karma (imediately punched hard back by someone) and also happy for josh swindell for getting out, being alive and taking responsibility. But the slap forum should at least admit that they hate danny way ONLY cuz of his stupid jock head!! the interview plainly spells out that danny way in no way took part in a 3 on 1 psycho episode that left someone dead as fuk
Holy fuckin shit man were you that angry or are you just barely literate?
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This tread just concretes how stupid the general population of skateboarding is.� If Danny's involvement would have been deemed responsible for the guys death, even minimally, he would have had charges brought against him.� Period.�
This tread is concreting all over the place yo.
So there was no flying brick, Just stationary concrete on the place. Got it. I think I'm catching up.
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'Danny may have suckerpunched Keith'
So, we now know that Keith had a brain injury. I think there is a high probability that Danny's sucker punch could have led to this guy's death...I think Josh got the raw end of the deal here, Danny should have been held somewhat responsible.
Thanks for the opinion. From what institution did you receive your doctorate of medicine? The University of Talking out of your Ass? Moreover, have you, with your expert-level knowledge on the subject, studied Mr Ogden's medical records and drawn parallels between them and the autopsy report?
It must've been because of a sucker punch by a pretty scrawny kid (at the time) who admittedly wasn't much of a brawler. A punch that the guy up and walked away from. Though that could be a very slim possibility, are you really trying to argue that that's a more logical conclusion than the death being caused by the other 2 dudes literally stomping the guy's head against the concrete ground?
Come on man, actually try to use that brain that's in your head, that's what it's there for.
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but, but, but what happened to all the torch burning, brick fabricating, sherlock holmes types?
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Damn that was a heavy interview. Glad to finally hear Josh's side of the story.
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but, but, but what happened to all the torch burning, brick fabricating, sherlock holmes types?
KKK x True Detective?
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19years of jail and having your asshole removed that's not cool.But what about that Ogden dude, you have a massive blood clot in your brain, bail from the hospital go to bars get drunk and start fights?It's hard to believe anything coming from the main people involded in these kind of situations.
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19years of jail and having your asshole removed that's not cool.But what about that Ogden dude, you have a massive blood clot in your brain, bail from the hospital go to bars get drunk and start fights?It's hard to believe anything coming from the main people involded in these kind of situations.
If by starting fights you mean just happening to be around a bunch of shitty homophobic rats, then yeah - he clearly started it all.
I mean...what a dick for getting sucker punched and stamped to death for essentially no other reason than homophobia and that these were some seriously, seriously shitty kids. He obviously deserved to be set upon for his heinous actions.
Nice victim blaming you got going on there.
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haha dude's got brain injury he goes to a straight bar full of obviously homophobic jocks and grabs Danny Way ass or something i mean what are you expecting? I'm not blaming him or anything, i wasn't there, i'm just saying it was a dumb thing to do and what happened after that is tragic for sure.
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haha dude's got brain injury he goes to a straight bar full of obviously homophobic jocks and grabs Danny Way ass or something i mean what are you expecting? I'm not blaming him or anything, i wasn't there, i'm just saying it was a dumb thing to do and what happened after that is tragic for sure.
Obviously homophobic? Did they have 'I H8 Fags' on their t-shirts or something? Did they have swastikas tattoos on them?
How was he to know that what these cunts concept of a reasonable response to an action so microscopically insignificant was to stamp, punch and kick the life out of him?
Say you are drunk at a bar. Absolutely hammered.
A guy tries coming on to you.
What do you do?
a) Bully him, punch him and knock him the fuck out?
b) Be a reasonable and decent human being, chalk it up to experience, explain that your not interested. Chat a while and laugh it off.
If a guy is aggressive at you, it's simple to understand why you will match that aggression with violence. You're drunk, you fight, whatever. It could end badly, but you'd know that going in.
But what about a guy who's not aggressive at all? How did he end up with the shit kicked out of him? The answer is, the people he were around were scumbag cunts. All of them. It's just he wasn't to know that because they weren't obviously homophobic or violent until it was too late.
That interview made me feel ill. It was such a totally senseless waste of life, Keith Ogden's and Swindell's.
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Dannys had his Karma in the form of Nu-Plan B and Bob Burnquist.....
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heh, I wasnt angry but "barely literate" might be an exaggeration, mister! anyway somebody suggested that this keith guy was partially to blame for going to a bar and getting killed, bro you should prolly just take that shit back, you dont want to tempt fate like that. (a brain injury could also have affected his judgment) for the millionith time dont be dismissive just address my argument or leave it be)
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PS. Muckmouth is the only outlet that i can see doing a rocco interview!
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We weren't there to see what happened, maybe he wasn't agressive at all and acted smartly OR MAYBE he acted like an idiot throwing gas on the fire like 90% of drunk people in a situation of stress,..we don't know!
Of course he didn't deserve to die and people should be more reasonable and not kill each others for stupid reasons but that's just how the world is, primitive and senseless. Horrible shit happens every day. You have to be careful of your actions, despite all your common sense and being "born free and equal in dignity and rights"...... if you're in the wrong spot at the wrong time, you'll get smacked right in the face.
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and essentially thats all d way did was smack somebody in the face so we can all stop hating danny way as much as we did. I too thought there was a chance he was implicated but now we know better strait from the josh swindells mouth.
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'Danny may have suckerpunched Keith'
So, we now know that Keith had a brain injury. I think there is a high probability that Danny's sucker punch could have led to this guy's death...I think Josh got the raw end of the deal here, Danny should have been held somewhat responsible.
Thanks for the opinion. From what institution did you receive your doctorate of medicine? The University of Talking out of your Ass? Moreover, have you, with your expert-level knowledge on the subject, studied Mr Ogden's medical records and drawn parallels between them and the autopsy report?
It must've been because of a sucker punch by a pretty scrawny kid (at the time) who admittedly wasn't much of a brawler. A punch that the guy up and walked away from. Though that could be a very slim possibility, are you really trying to argue that that's a more logical conclusion than the death being caused by the other 2 dudes literally stomping the guy's head against the concrete ground?
Come on man, actually try to use that brain that's in your head, that's what it's there for.
If the guy hit the ground after being sucker punched, it very easily could have led to condition that killed him. I don't know if you could prove which hit killed the victim but if Danny had been in court it is extremely likely he would have been found partially culpable.
I wonder if there ever was a civil suit or if there is a statute of limitations on wrongful death civil suits? This article seems to implicate two additional defendants, one with plenty of $$$$.
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Mother fuckers just GRABBIN now at ANY straws in their anti danny way CAMPAIGN. give it up!!!! (again i say "pack of faggots")
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'Danny may have suckerpunched Keith'
So, we now know that Keith had a brain injury. I think there is a high probability that Danny's sucker punch could have led to this guy's death...I think Josh got the raw end of the deal here, Danny should have been held somewhat responsible.
Thanks for the opinion. From what institution did you receive your doctorate of medicine? The University of Talking out of your Ass? Moreover, have you, with your expert-level knowledge on the subject, studied Mr Ogden's medical records and drawn parallels between them and the autopsy report?
It must've been because of a sucker punch by a pretty scrawny kid (at the time) who admittedly wasn't much of a brawler. A punch that the guy up and walked away from. Though that could be a very slim possibility, are you really trying to argue that that's a more logical conclusion than the death being caused by the other 2 dudes literally stomping the guy's head against the concrete ground?
Come on man, actually try to use that brain that's in your head, that's what it's there for.
Not trying to start any static but who is to say that punch didn't contribute to Keith Ogden's death as well.
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and essentially thats all d way did was smack somebody in the face so we can all stop hating danny way as much as we did. I too thought there was a chance he was implicated but now we know better strait from the josh swindells mouth.
If anything, ditching your dude on a 19 year stretch for having your back is some fucked up shit and more than enough reason for me to continue hating DWay.
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if that is "having your back" then that is horrifying and i dont want anyone "having my back" Danny way was pretty safe in the bar and didnt need whatever the fuck murderous shit to happen outside the bar, if ur smart enuf to complete slap registration than ur smart enuf to understand this concept brother. (i would leave all of yall in there in there an throw a mega ramp party)
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I didn't read the 3rd page of this but, even if his involvement was minimal, D Way literally made a shirt for Platinum that says "we kill fags". Just gotta reiterate this. Fuckin' scumbag. Does not deserve to be defended. The tenacity of him to make that shirt after the situation he was in (and never fessed up to) is just completely ridic.
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I didn't read the 3rd page of this but, even if his involvement was minimal, D Way literally made a shirt for Platinum that says "we kill fags". Just gotta reiterate this. Fuckin' scumbag. Does not deserve to be defended. The tenacity of him to make that shirt after the situation he was in (and never fessed up to) is just completely ridic.
I'll fill you in..
Danny Way had a gun, he shot Ogden 4 times point blank range execution style. Swindell was his boy so he took the pistol to hide it, but got busted cause the cops showed up and he went down for the burner.
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Lets see a pic of the shirt.
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jesus fuckin christ
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Obviously Swindell's gonna portray himself in the best possible light, while making everyone else look like snarling monsters. We'll never know the true story. I suggest it was Danny way, in the library, with a cinder block.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/ScGqe_4IqEI/AAAAAAAADvk/c2AvIQXBj4M/s1600/wayfagschrome.jpg)
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I didn't read the 3rd page of this but, even if his involvement was minimal, D Way literally made a shirt for Platinum that says "we kill fags". Just gotta reiterate this. Fuckin' scumbag. Does not deserve to be defended. The tenacity of him to make that shirt after the situation he was in (and never fessed up to) is just completely ridic.
I've heard stories of this shirt since the mid 90s, yet I've never once seen any evidence of it existing. Not that I put it past those guys to actually have made it, but is this just another thing that people take as gospel with no evidence except that you read it on a message board or "the homie" said so? Every single insane rumor I've read about Danny Way on this site has over time been proven untrue by people who were actually there. In this interview alone he laughs about the shooting people crossing the border from a helicopter and throwing a chunk of concrete onto Ogden's head. Which, let's be honest, if you believed either of those things about a person you've never met you are either a child or unintelligent.
"First we get ourselves a bunch of automatic weapons, and a pilot who can keep a secret" - D.Way
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the rumor as i saw it was in chris pontinus interview and it was "driving" to the boarder. It would make alot of sense for swindell to "laugh" that one off cause it supposedly involved both him and danny. So that one being "denyed by someone who was there" does nt really count. (not only that but i did notice in the interview that swindell brought it up himself which seemed red flag esque)
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I didn't read the 3rd page of this but, even if his involvement was minimal, D Way literally made a shirt for Platinum that says "we kill fags". Just gotta reiterate this. Fuckin' scumbag. Does not deserve to be defended. The tenacity of him to make that shirt after the situation he was in (and never fessed up to) is just completely ridic.
I've heard stories of this shirt since the mid 90s, yet I've never once seen any evidence of it existing. Not that I put it past those guys to actually have made it, but is this just another thing that people take as gospel with no evidence except that you read it on a message board or "the homie" said so? Every single insane rumor I've read about Danny Way on this site has over time been proven untrue by people who were actually there. In this interview alone he laughs about the shooting people crossing the border from a helicopter and throwing a chunk of concrete onto Ogden's head. Which, let's be honest, if you believed either of those things about a person you've never met you are either a child or unintelligent.
"First we get ourselves a bunch of automatic weapons, and a pilot who can keep a secret" - D.Way
What's amazing is that people read a Chris Pontius interview in Big Brother and take it to be 100% fact.
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who does that ? and again, in the c. pontinus interview he said "driving to the boarder" no mention of helicopter, just quoting the interview not saying its fact. Chris pontinus put his fucking name by that statment tho, he wasnt anominous on a slap forum
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Obviously Swindell's gonna portray himself in the best possible light, while making everyone else look like snarling monsters. We'll never know the true story. I suggest it was Danny way, in the library, with a cinder block.
nice one
maybe we should let Markovich go in and get the truth out of Way , you know Gitmo style
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For everyone talking about the Platinum shirt, I worked at a shop when they were still in business, and they had a board with a graphic of the rainbow flag all shot up. Don't remember a shirt that said we kill fags, but I remember when we got that catalog the shop owner never ordered another thing from them or XYZ.
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I've also heard of an XYZ logo that was a Thrasher ripoff that said Gaybasher. Can anyone dig any of this stuff up?
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I feel like people are arguing so much about whether or not Danny Way is a scumbag has gotten in the way of the bigger issue here, which is the quick to violence animal like mentality that is so prevalent in humanity today.
This same shit is probably happening in a bar somewhere right now.
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You're right it probably is people are idiots and get caught up in herd mentality, no excuse for it. I've seen terrible shit go down at bars over nothing and its completely regular. As far as Danny Way goes the second hand stories I've heard about him back in those days from people who stayed at his house always led me to believe he was a racist, homophobic, misogynistic, jockish piece of shit. Those traits aside everyone always backed him up by saying " but he's the fucking best skater", like that was a pass to be a complete human piece of shit. Regardless, glad Swindell can somewhat own up to what happened, he's been saying the same story for years about this whole crime, and he seems like a changed man. I'm sure its not an easy thing to live with.
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I've also heard of an XYZ logo that was a Thrasher ripoff that said Gaybasher. Can anyone dig any of this stuff up?
I've tried a generic google search of this stuff several times over the past few years and nothing ever comes up. I know for a fact the deck with the shot up pride flag was issued. Also I believe it
was a Big Brother interview with Moses Itkonen where they asked him about it, and he had some response about setting those types of kids straight or some other nonsense. If I can find this stuff in my storage I'll post it, but anyone who was around back then already knows about this.
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just another thing that people take as gospel with no evidence
the essense of slap
Obviously Swindell's gonna portray himself in the best possible light, while making everyone else look like snarling monsters. We'll never know the true story. I suggest it was Danny way, in the library, with a cinder block.
from a 20 year old l.a. times article:
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-03-06/news/mn-30789_1_pro-skateboarder/3 (http://articles.latimes.com/1994-03-06/news/mn-30789_1_pro-skateboarder/3)
If the Rogowski case sent a tremor through the skateboard world, Joshua Swindell has triggered the aftershock that raises questions about the direction in which the sport is heading and what role, if any, it played in the troubles of its stars.
Swindell had driven up from Carlsbad with Danny Way, another top star, to attend a rap party at a rented bar. A scrawny man named Keith Ogden crashed the event, according to court records. Witnesses would later testify at a preliminary hearing that Ogden, 31, approached Way outside the bar and flashed some bills in an apparent bid to buy sexual favors.
When Ogden persisted, according to Way's testimony, Way knocked him out with one punch--after which a club bouncer did the same to Way.
Both men were dragged inside. Later in the night, several attempts were made to send Ogden away; the last involved Swindell and a 17-year-old skateboarding friend. They were seen dragging and kicking Ogden across a street, one witness testified at the preliminary hearing late last year.
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For everyone talking about the Platinum shirt, I worked at a shop when they were still in business, and they had a board with a graphic of the rainbow flag all shot up. Don't remember a shirt that said we kill fags, but I remember when we got that catalog the shop owner never ordered another thing from them or XYZ.
i worked at a shop as well and aside from the talked about shit i also remember a bunch of nazi style graphics... they came with this vid
Xyz clothing - meet your maker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9GwuJqPnQY#)
and whatever swindell may say only they know the truth- it can be that he s still not snitching
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I didn't read the 3rd page of this but, even if his involvement was minimal, D Way literally made a shirt for Platinum that says "we kill fags". Just gotta reiterate this. Fuckin' scumbag. Does not deserve to be defended. The tenacity of him to make that shirt after the situation he was in (and never fessed up to) is just completely ridic.
I've heard stories of this shirt since the mid 90s, yet I've never once seen any evidence of it existing. Not that I put it past those guys to actually have made it, but is this just another thing that people take as gospel with no evidence except that you read it on a message board or "the homie" said so? Every single insane rumor I've read about Danny Way on this site has over time been proven untrue by people who were actually there. In this interview alone he laughs about the shooting people crossing the border from a helicopter and throwing a chunk of concrete onto Ogden's head. Which, let's be honest, if you believed either of those things about a person you've never met you are either a child or unintelligent.
"First we get ourselves a bunch of automatic weapons, and a pilot who can keep a secret" - D.Way
What's amazing is that people read a Chris Pontius interview in Big Brother and take it to be 100% fact.
Wad this the Chris Pontius interview in which he performed the "whirly bird"? I have that issue in storage.
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Wad this the Chris Pontius interview in which he performed the "whirly bird"? I have that issue in storage.
yes that same interview. wearing a dunce cap no less!
Josh Swindell was also a notorious jockish piece of shit around this time too... it's funny to hear some people respond in this thread as if he's Hurricane Carter. Just because somebody had a pre-existing head injury does not mean that beating/stomping him to death was a big misunderstanding. Dude deserved his 19 years (if not more), maybe some other people did too; but Swindell is hardly a victim of circumstance.
The only person who got screwed here is Keith Ogden.
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Wad this the Chris Pontius interview in which he performed the "whirly bird"? I have that issue in storage.
yes that same interview. wearing a dunce cap no less!
Josh Swindell was also a notorious jockish piece of shit around this time too... it's funny to hear some people respond in this thread as if he's Hurricane Carter. Just because somebody had a pre-existing head injury does not mean that beating/stomping him to death was a big misunderstanding. Dude deserved his 19 years (if not more), maybe some other people did too; but Swindell is hardly a victim of circumstance.
The only person who got screwed here is Keith Ogden.
I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.
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Wad this the Chris Pontius interview in which he performed the "whirly bird"? I have that issue in storage.
yes that same interview. wearing a dunce cap no less!
Josh Swindell was also a notorious jockish piece of shit around this time too... it's funny to hear some people respond in this thread as if he's Hurricane Carter. Just because somebody had a pre-existing head injury does not mean that beating/stomping him to death was a big misunderstanding. Dude deserved his 19 years (if not more), maybe some other people did too; but Swindell is hardly a victim of circumstance.
The only person who got screwed here is Keith Ogden.
I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a370/misterhayworth/slide_266290_1813665_free_zpsc8fd2d14.gif) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/misterhayworth/media/slide_266290_1813665_free_zpsc8fd2d14.gif.html)
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Found this old Big Brother Interview of Swindell when he was in a Mexico jail for getting caught with a gun in Mexico. I can't tell if he is bullshitting or not.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/4047/hUcPAp.png)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/5361/H29Vtu.png)
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anyone else see the connection between his colon being removed and being a scrawny white dude in prison for 19 years?
prison rape is no joke.
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anyone else see the connection between his colon being removed and being a scrawny white dude in prison for 19 years?
prison food is no joke.
Ulcerative colitis isn't the result of rape, it's from being in a filthy prison eating food covered in bacteria for 19 years.
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Another read from a 94 Big Brother
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anyone else see the connection between his colon being removed and being a scrawny white dude in prison for 19 years?
prison food is no joke.
Ulcerative colitis isn't the result of rape, it's from being in a filthy prison eating food covered in bacteria for 19 years.
you're an idiot. it's an autoimmune disorder similar to arthritis and psoriasis that causes severe ulcers throughout the digestive system. i had it for about 8 years and had the same surgery as Josh; wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy and it is no laughing matter.
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anyone else see the connection between his colon being removed and being a scrawny white dude in prison for 19 years?
prison food is no joke.
Ulcerative colitis isn't the result of rape, it's from being in a filthy prison eating food covered in bacteria for 19 years.
you're an idiot. it's an autoimmune disorder similar to arthritis and psoriasis that causes severe ulcers throughout the digestive system. i had it for about 8 years and had the same surgery as Josh; wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy and it is no laughing matter.
"Although considerable progress has been made in IBD research, investigators do not yet know what causes this disease. Studies indicate that the inflammation in IBD involves a complex interaction of factors: the genes the person has inherited, the immune system, and something in the environment. Foreign substances (antigens) in the environment may be the direct cause of the inflammation, or they may stimulate the body's defenses to produce an inflammation that continues without control." - direct quote from http://www.ccfa.org/what-are-crohns-and-colitis/what-is-ulcerative-colitis/ (http://www.ccfa.org/what-are-crohns-and-colitis/what-is-ulcerative-colitis/)
On top of that, no one joked about and my dad got it from eating shitty fucking prison food for a considerably less amount of time than 19 years. No need to get so defensive and you can fuck off with your smartest kid in class act.
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Red Dragons... Danny Way.... Fuck those guys. No Keith Ogden.
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Another read from a 94 Big Brother
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/3313/M0DsdR.png)
heh, rick kosick aka grimace. guess he didn't get out that summer, i wonder if he's still throwing around dated references like that? i mean, i still say grimace sometimes but when's the last time anyone's seen that purple piece of shit?
they should've asked swindell about his feelings towards 'party boy' today. part 2, mickmouth?
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Hey so I just got diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis and boy is my asshole tired!
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There was also a short Danny Way interview in big brother where they asked him what he would do if his son was gay and he got mad and kept saying something like "That could never happen"
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Can't believe people are saying that Swindell didn't deserve his time in prison. Dude kicked a guy in the head until he wasn't moving and just left him there. There's two possible outcomes, either the dude suffers some serious head trauma, or he dies. 19 years isn't too bad for that.
Also if I got into a small bar fight with somebody and then a ''friend'' of mine took that dude somewhere and murdered him, I wouldn't think of it as ''having my back'', and would never contact him in any way.
Danny Way may be a piece of shit, but at most he would have deserved a couple days in jail and that's it
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kill slap nuke slap kill everything that isnt dead
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Re-read the article and they totally edited the part about Danny pissing his pants. Guess Swindell is still covering for him
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Re-read the article and they totally edited the part about Danny pissing his pants. Guess Swindell is still covering for him
lol holy shit, so they did. never forget!
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Re-read the article and they totally edited the part about Danny pissing his pants. Guess Swindell is still covering for him
Damn, those sneaky fuckers. Good thing Tom preserved it for all posterity on page 1 of this thread. Its funny that thats the only part edited, instead of you know, the part where they killed a guy.
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ayo, cousinharold,
i'm going to need you to at least PM me with the situation that caused you to edit that out of the interview. but seriously. post it here if you can.
K
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...the situation that caused you to edit that out of the interview...
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Hahahaha... There is no scandal at all with the edit, it was merely that people were misunderstanding what he meant - and it was something that Josh wanted to clear up as people had asked him about it at a comp over the weekend and whilst he stands by everything else he said, he didn't want any misunderstanding (and to be fair it seems we all thought he was being literal with that description - myself included - so I can totally understand him wanting to clarify things)
The term that Danny 'peed his pants' is his (Josh's) slang for 'being scared/was a pussy and did nothing about the situation' and not a literal pissing of his pants. In the same way that you might say 'so and so shit himself when I snuck up on him', to describe someone being scared - when presumably they didn't actually end up covered in shit.
Josh has been extremely open and honest throughout this interview, and I admire him wanting to clarify that Danny Way didn't actually urinate all over himself, when he easily could have left it in there for the world to visualise for eternity.
So yeah, no cover ups, no weirdness, no bullshit, just a simple clarification of facts after numerous people had talked to him about the interview and asked about the pissing.
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cover up the cover up (ye protest to strongly)
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Hahahaha, take the tinfoil off your head you nonce. It's a pretty serious fucking interview, I just wanted to give the edit the full explanation that it deserves. I am sure there are plenty more things I could edit out if I was meant to be covering anything up. Pissing is the least of anyone's worries. I was kind of gutted though, I personally liked the thought of that part being true.
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pissing is the least of anyones worries ? dunno bout that the tinfoil comment might be helpful tho
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Hahahaha, take the tinfoil off your head you nonce. It's a pretty serious fucking interview, I just wanted to give the edit the full explanation that it deserves. I am sure there are plenty more things I could edit out if I was meant to be covering anything up. Pissing is the least of anyone's worries. I was kind of gutted though, I personally liked the thought of that part being true.
i think i speak for everyone when i say you should have left it
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Hahahaha... There is no scandal at all with the edit, it was merely that people were misunderstanding what he meant - and it was something that Josh wanted to clear up as people had asked him about it at a comp over the weekend and whilst he stands by everything else he said, he didn't want any misunderstanding (and to be fair it seems we all thought he was being literal with that description - myself included - so I can totally understand him wanting to clarify things)
The term that Danny 'peed his pants' is his (Josh's) slang for 'being scared/was a pussy and did nothing about the situation' and not a literal pissing of his pants. In the same way that you might say 'so and so shit himself when I snuck up on him', to describe someone being scared - when presumably they didn't actually end up covered in shit.
Josh has been extremely open and honest throughout this interview, and I admire him wanting to clarify that Danny Way didn't actually urinate all over himself, when he easily could have left it in there for the world to visualise for eternity.
So yeah, no cover ups, no weirdness, no bullshit, just a simple clarification of facts after numerous people had talked to him about the interview and asked about the pissing.
Ok, good. For a minute there, I thought Danny had pulled a Conge.
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Hahahaha, take the tinfoil off your head you nonce. It's a pretty serious fucking interview, I just wanted to give the edit the full explanation that it deserves. I am sure there are plenty more things I could edit out if I was meant to be covering anything up. Pissing is the least of anyone's worries. I was kind of gutted though, I personally liked the thought of that part being true.
good move on your part. solid journalism and integrity to boot. though i really wish he'd pissed himself. not that I hate dway or anything, but i just kind of got attached to the image.
K
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
It's extremely fucked up that he (Danny) is being labeled gay killer and everyone is jumping on the Fuck Danny Way bandwagon. Who of you were there and saw what happened? Josh was, Steve was, Danny Way was. So those are the three opinions that matter and spell out what happened. Josh even said Danny punched him once and was then punched out by someone and Steve, the guy runs Rockstar Energy now, said that Keith had punched him, it wasn't even Danny who said it.
we hear that there?s a fight out front. When I walk out the door the first thing I see is Danny Way out cold, bleeding from the mouth. I asked out loud who hit Danny and Steve Mateus responded with ?That fag sucker punched Danny!? So, we get Danny back inside the bar and he?s clueless as to what happened.
Also think back 20 years, they weren't so accepting of gay people, not nearly as we are now, and we're still not that accepting. Simply put Danny hit someone who happened to be gay and wouldn't back off when he was told to. Shit escalated out of control not because of Danny saying "Oh he's a fag, let's stomp him out." but out of loyalty to someone who's your brother. We are all like that still to this day. Anyone of you see's a best friend of yours down on the ground and someone says that guy did it, you're going over to settle shit out. No words will be spoken. I would love for someone to post a reply showing where a friend of their's got hit and they went over to the offender and talked about what happened to get to the bottom of the story.
Y'all are a bunch of can't read hypocrites. I doubt any of you even read the article.
crazy good interview
amazing he's so level headed and at peace with the situation.
It's called taking responsibility for your actions. It's something you do as an adult. Josh knows what he did, he knows what Steve did, he knows Steve punked him, there's no use in being angry at a situation that happened 20 years ago especially cause if he does do anything in regards to revenge/retaliation not only would it be stupid, he'd be going back to jail. The interview wasn't about hate or anger. It was about getting the story out there. He doesn't even call out Danny Way for "letting him hang." Danny even attested to the kind of guy Josh is and didn't throw him under the bus or anything. I wish Josh would reply on to this. It would be interesting to see his response to all the bandwagon people.
I don't think Danni Weigh will tell his side of the story..also danni should of done time for being an accomplice.
Being an accomplice means you are present while the crime is being committed, whether knowing or not. Danny was inside out cold, as it said in the interview, not outside with Steve and Josh. Had Keith lived he could've pressed assault charges on Danny for punching him but that's it.
Good job MM, but you missed the one question everyone wants answered: what does Josh Swindell think about Boston skate shops?
Isn't it obvious? They produce the best skaters out there ;)
I was already kinda thinking Danny Way is a douche for putting his name on the side of the Great Wall of China after he jumped it. Well, maybe China did that for him. But I still think it's stupid. Thousand+ year old monument don't need his name on the side of it.
I think I remember that was China's doing. Kinda how we have the boulevard of stars in Hollywood sort of deal.
All these dudes really sound like pieces of shit back then, but sounds like Josh has used it as a springboard for a lot of growth. So good on him.
I was gonna point this out too. People like Josh who go into prison knowing what they did was wrong and are genuinely sorry usually benefit from being able to reflect on it and see what happened. My girls friend is in prison on bogus charges and he's got a plan for what he's gonna do as soon as he gets out in 11 months, just boom, get his head straight, get his act together and make something of himself while taking care of his grandparents, the only family he has left.
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
It's extremely fucked up that he (Danny) is being labeled gay killer and everyone is jumping on the Fuck Danny Way bandwagon. Who of you were there and saw what happened? Josh was, Steve was, Danny Way was. So those are the three opinions that matter and spell out what happened. Josh even said Danny punched him once and was then punched out by someone and Steve, the guy runs Rockstar Energy now, said that Keith had punched him, it wasn't even Danny who said it.
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we hear that there?s a fight out front. When I walk out the door the first thing I see is Danny Way out cold, bleeding from the mouth. I asked out loud who hit Danny and Steve Mateus responded with ?That fag sucker punched Danny!? So, we get Danny back inside the bar and he?s clueless as to what happened.
Also think back 20 years, they weren't so accepting of gay people, not nearly as we are now, and we're still not that accepting. Simply put Danny hit someone who happened to be gay and wouldn't back off when he was told to. Shit escalated out of control not because of Danny saying "Oh he's a fag, let's stomp him out." but out of loyalty to someone who's your brother. We are all like that still to this day. Anyone of you see's a best friend of yours down on the ground and someone says that guy did it, you're going over to settle shit out. No words will be spoken. I would love for someone to post a reply showing where a friend of their's got hit and they went over to the offender and talked about what happened to get to the bottom of the story.
Y'all are a bunch of can't read hypocrites. I doubt any of you even read the article.
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crazy good interview
amazing he's so level headed and at peace with the situation.
It's called taking responsibility for your actions. It's something you do as an adult. Josh knows what he did, he knows what Steve did, he knows Steve punked him, there's no use in being angry at a situation that happened 20 years ago especially cause if he does do anything in regards to revenge/retaliation not only would it be stupid, he'd be going back to jail. The interview wasn't about hate or anger. It was about getting the story out there. He doesn't even call out Danny Way for "letting him hang." Danny even attested to the kind of guy Josh is and didn't throw him under the bus or anything. I wish Josh would reply on to this. It would be interesting to see his response to all the bandwagon people.
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I don't think Danni Weigh will tell his side of the story..also danni should of done time for being an accomplice.
Being an accomplice means you are present while the crime is being committed, whether knowing or not. Danny was inside out cold, as it said in the interview, not outside with Steve and Josh. Had Keith lived he could've pressed assault charges on Danny for punching him but that's it.
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Good job MM, but you missed the one question everyone wants answered: what does Josh Swindell think about Boston skate shops?
Isn't it obvious? They produce the best skaters out there ;)
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I was already kinda thinking Danny Way is a douche for putting his name on the side of the Great Wall of China after he jumped it. Well, maybe China did that for him. But I still think it's stupid. Thousand+ year old monument don't need his name on the side of it.
I think I remember that was China's doing. Kinda how we have the boulevard of stars in Hollywood sort of deal.
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All these dudes really sound like pieces of shit back then, but sounds like Josh has used it as a springboard for a lot of growth. So good on him.
I was gonna point this out too. People like Josh who go into prison knowing what they did was wrong and are genuinely sorry usually benefit from being able to reflect on it and see what happened. My girls friend is in prison on bogus charges and he's got a plan for what he's gonna do as soon as he gets out in 11 months, just boom, get his head straight, get his act together and make something of himself while taking care of his grandparents, the only family he has left.
Wow, are you high?
You just quoted like 20 people.
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being high is awesome.
edti- im high as fuck right wow
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I get a kick out of the fact that some of you on here are hating D-Way for ALLEGED gay hate crimes but have no problem throwing the word "faggot" around.
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i don't really know how to feel about this
i believe him, but that is just his side of the story
Danny may have suckerpunched Keith, but from Josh's words, he doesn't say Danny was lying about it, just that other people were saying Keith suckerpunched Danny. who knows if Danny told people that, or if things just got lost in translation because drinking/loyalty.
it is kind of fucked for Danny to be known as a Gay Killer 20 years later (prior to the interview) when he just punched some dude who was starting shit (sucker or not) no bricks involved. I can kind of understand if he wants to distance himself from this situation, no one made Josh and Steve stomp the guy out, regardless if Josh did less stomping than Steve. this whole time people have been saying Danny killed dude with a brick and Josh took the heat for it, when that's not really true.
to me, the other dude (Steve) who lied and threw Josh under the bus is the only true scumbag here
It's extremely fucked up that he (Danny) is being labeled gay killer and everyone is jumping on the Fuck Danny Way bandwagon. Who of you were there and saw what happened? Josh was, Steve was, Danny Way was. So those are the three opinions that matter and spell out what happened. Josh even said Danny punched him once and was then punched out by someone and Steve, the guy runs Rockstar Energy now, said that Keith had punched him, it wasn't even Danny who said it.
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we hear that there?s a fight out front. When I walk out the door the first thing I see is Danny Way out cold, bleeding from the mouth. I asked out loud who hit Danny and Steve Mateus responded with ?That fag sucker punched Danny!? So, we get Danny back inside the bar and he?s clueless as to what happened.
Also think back 20 years, they weren't so accepting of gay people, not nearly as we are now, and we're still not that accepting. Simply put Danny hit someone who happened to be gay and wouldn't back off when he was told to. Shit escalated out of control not because of Danny saying "Oh he's a fag, let's stomp him out." but out of loyalty to someone who's your brother. We are all like that still to this day. Anyone of you see's a best friend of yours down on the ground and someone says that guy did it, you're going over to settle shit out. No words will be spoken. I would love for someone to post a reply showing where a friend of their's got hit and they went over to the offender and talked about what happened to get to the bottom of the story.
Y'all are a bunch of can't read hypocrites. I doubt any of you even read the article.
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crazy good interview
amazing he's so level headed and at peace with the situation.
It's called taking responsibility for your actions. It's something you do as an adult. Josh knows what he did, he knows what Steve did, he knows Steve punked him, there's no use in being angry at a situation that happened 20 years ago especially cause if he does do anything in regards to revenge/retaliation not only would it be stupid, he'd be going back to jail. The interview wasn't about hate or anger. It was about getting the story out there. He doesn't even call out Danny Way for "letting him hang." Danny even attested to the kind of guy Josh is and didn't throw him under the bus or anything. I wish Josh would reply on to this. It would be interesting to see his response to all the bandwagon people.
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I don't think Danni Weigh will tell his side of the story..also danni should of done time for being an accomplice.
Being an accomplice means you are present while the crime is being committed, whether knowing or not. Danny was inside out cold, as it said in the interview, not outside with Steve and Josh. Had Keith lived he could've pressed assault charges on Danny for punching him but that's it.
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Good job MM, but you missed the one question everyone wants answered: what does Josh Swindell think about Boston skate shops?
Isn't it obvious? They produce the best skaters out there ;)
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I was already kinda thinking Danny Way is a douche for putting his name on the side of the Great Wall of China after he jumped it. Well, maybe China did that for him. But I still think it's stupid. Thousand+ year old monument don't need his name on the side of it.
I think I remember that was China's doing. Kinda how we have the boulevard of stars in Hollywood sort of deal.
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All these dudes really sound like pieces of shit back then, but sounds like Josh has used it as a springboard for a lot of growth. So good on him.
I was gonna point this out too. People like Josh who go into prison knowing what they did was wrong and are genuinely sorry usually benefit from being able to reflect on it and see what happened. My girls friend is in prison on bogus charges and he's got a plan for what he's gonna do as soon as he gets out in 11 months, just boom, get his head straight, get his act together and make something of himself while taking care of his grandparents, the only family he has left.
Biz Markie - Just A Friend (Official Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg#)
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You guys fucking suck.
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I get a kick out of the fact that some of you on here are hating D-Way for ALLEGED gay hate crimes but have no problem throwing the word "faggot" around.
Shut up faggot.
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I would have loved to have seen Markovich beating the shit out of D Way.
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Wow, are you high?
You just quoted like 20 people.
No I just read the thread from start to finish while at work haha