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(I meant to quote silloette right here) In front of his ultra kooky all white audience he talks brutally about dj music which actually is hip hop and it started in Jamaca (dancehall). Hip hop appealed to black people in part because white people had appropriated jazz and rock (and also because hip hop is good music). So Rollins goes in about "sam cookes sweat" cause he's a jazz snob fuck and thinks it gives him creditbility. He veers his dialoge so that its sounds like he's taking aim at "rave" music when in fact by definition he's condemning hip hop but he doesn't say the words 'hip hop' cause that would make him look like a complete racist (wolf in sheeps clothing). Seriously tho fuck that 40 y/o audience for laughing at Rollins' 'jokes' and same with anybody who would go to a Joe Rogan stand up and laugh at/support his non funny shit too. Rave music was sick as fuck anyway.
ok.........dude you're wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start....ok first off I hate this "appropriation" concept. Music and culture and ideas is supposed to transcend color and disseminate across society, not stay confined where it started. Or you think skateboarding is a white boy sport too?
also no, he does not mean hip hop. he talks explicitly about the euro electronic scene, which has been huge for over 20 years. And by the way in the 90's, hip hop and house/techno did not mix at all. Those 2 scenes were total ennemies believe me.
Finally if you're a musician, you know electronic music has become so easy to make with current software. Compared to the work it takes to get a band to sound tight, it's like comparing skating to rollerblading.
Oh and Sam Cooke ain't jazz....
I've been playing drums for 30 years, and producing and making electronic music for about a decade, and I'm confident in saying that playing in a band is 100 times easier than producing for me. Its a lot more than pressing a couple buttons and music comes out. Its more akin to composing for and conducting to a room full of musicians, except you are also every musician, not to mention functioning as a recording engineer.
I also DJ, mostly with a computer and dj controller,and sometimes with vinyl. I have respect for vinyl djs, but for the most part it is a fetish and largely impractical. I could bring a crate of records to an event to stoke my own ego, or I could use the DJ controller and play a way better set. Again, its not just pressing play, there's still a lot that goes into it (taste and selection goes a lot farther than mixing skill in my opinion, but I have a lot of respect for people that excel in that area). I think its criminal that DJs are so celebrated though. At the end of the day its just for fun and not to be taken so seriously.
That Rollins rant is completely out of touch and embarrassing. Electronic music, hip hop, etc owes just as much to Krautrock and Music Concrete as it does to anything else. Like most art forms, it can't be traced back to one source.
really? I've been playing for 30 years too.....(bass) And I did electronic music for about 10 years as well. Even had an LP out on a small French label with that project. So I'm really surprised by your statement. First off, in a band, you rely on other people. Which makes everything so much more complicated than doing everything yourself. At least for me.
And second, when it comes to recording/producing, it's just so much easier with electronic stuff, everything happens inside the computer.....As a drummer you know how much work it is to record a drum track right?!
Also, notice I said "with current software"...Before Ableton Live came out, it took us fucking hours to get a sample in sync on a track. Now it's basically one second with a flick of the mouse.
Totally agree on the DJ stuff though: yes it's fun, but not to be taken too seriously. My main gripe is that it's partly killed the live band scene here in Europe. When I was around 18, there were so many underground shows and a young band could find places to play easily. 20 years later, that's just gone. Most places just get a DJ for the night.
Gay Imp: yeah that's exactly it! did not mean to get into a long discussion about music.....
(but I'm about as passionate about music as I am about skating so I could not resist answering Augustmoon........)