https://abc7news.com/sf-security-guard-critically-hurt-in-attack/4768749/
This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (that’s us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.
supreme should pay off the city with all that carlyle group money
cromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.
Expand Quotecromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.[close]
Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like he’s not a dumbass. Don’t tell me he’s an idiot savant.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotecromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.[close]
Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like he’s not a dumbass. Don’t tell me he’s an idiot savant.[close]
Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotecromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.[close]
Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like he’s not a dumbass. Don’t tell me he’s an idiot savant.[close]
Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.[close]
nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotecromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.[close]
Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like he’s not a dumbass. Don’t tell me he’s an idiot savant.[close]
Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.[close]
nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram[close]
Say it ain't so...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotecromer, keep your eyes peeled for crisis actors. everyone stay safe.[close]
Is this a reference to Cromer being a conspiracy theorist? He skates like he’s not a dumbass. Don’t tell me he’s an idiot savant.[close]
Haha, I think it's just that he skates black rock. But history has shown that you can be a genius skateboarder and an airhead in everything else... It's actually more of the rule than the exception.[close]
nah it's that he was posting bullshit about crisis actors the other day on instagram[close]
Say it ain't so...
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c'mon Brad
I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.
I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.
I've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.
I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.
Expand QuoteI've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.
I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.[close]
Honestly at that point it’s self defense, you could’ve fought back. Should have at least sued for the damage to yourself and Lens as she assaulted you and if the companies big enough you could’ve made a killing. Good on you for putting principle first though.
Not with the violent history of backlipping POC in this country
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color).
Expand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?[close]
This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while, and competition is fierce.
I'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo. Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.
the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it.
you’ve obviously never seen commandoExpand QuoteI'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo. Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.[close]
Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.
I like the part where Arnold scalps a guy with a saw blade thrown like a frisbee, and the chops of another dudes arm with a machete.you’ve obviously never seen commandoExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo. Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.[close]
Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.[close]
Expand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?[close]
This is the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while, and competition is fierce.
I like the part where Arnold scalps a guy with a saw blade thrown like a frisbee, and the chops of another dudes arm with a machete.Expand Quoteyou’ve obviously never seen commandoExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo. Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.[close]
Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.[close][close]
I blame Marilyn Manson and violent video games
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've experienced many altercations with security over the years as I'm sure most of us have. I have never seen one escalate to physical violence unless the security guard overstepped his boundaries and got physical first. I assume there are cameras all over that block so the truth will come out. Either way its sad to see anyone carried away in a stretcher no matter what the circumstances and this heat certainly won't bode well for skateboarding in SF although I'm kinda sick of seeing that spot anyway. I'm also not going to pretend that its not very possible this guard had it coming to him.
I couple years ago I was sitting on a some stairs leading into a plaza shooting a photo and a guard told me to leave, I didn't even have a board and my friend wasn't even skating on the property he was on the public sidewalk I was just sitting there to get a low angle. I took one last shot and she got in my face yelling and hitting me in the face with some rolled up papers so I pushed them out of my face and said I'm leaving. As I walked away she ran full speed and pushed me from behind I had a lens in my pocket and fell on it and really fucked up my thigh...had she not been a female that easily could've escalated. Some of these guards are fucked up.[close]
Honestly at that point it’s self defense, you could’ve fought back. Should have at least sued for the damage to yourself and Lens as she assaulted you and if the companies big enough you could’ve made a killing. Good on you for putting principle first though.[close]
Well my lens was ok, it didn't get damaged as it was an all metal lens from the 1980s. All I could think of was this psycho woman saying that I assaulted her first and the cops taking her word over mine and then being fucked so I just got out of there.
I had once incident where i was with a fellow SLAPPAL at the UC Berkeley campus - we were cruising around and a campus security came and attempted to kick us out. My friend knowing the rules, in a mature civil manner told her that we can freely roam the campus until midnight, she asked if we're students and my friend also told her that regardless of that the campus rules state anyone is allowed to be on the campus grounds til midnight. She coulda simply told us "please don't skate " rather than approach us with "your skateboarding now I'm kicking you out" ... fuck those kinda ppl who make things more difficult than they need to be
Before GX, skaters NEVER before had done squabbled with security guards. SHAME ON YOU GX!Before GX, you'd never see a "skater vs security" video on youtube. Terrible roll models
Expand QuoteI had once incident where i was with a fellow SLAPPAL at the UC Berkeley campus - we were cruising around and a campus security came and attempted to kick us out. My friend knowing the rules, in a mature civil manner told her that we can freely roam the campus until midnight, she asked if we're students and my friend also told her that regardless of that the campus rules state anyone is allowed to be on the campus grounds til midnight. She coulda simply told us "please don't skate " rather than approach us with "your skateboarding now I'm kicking you out" ... fuck those kinda ppl who make things more difficult than they need to be[close]
As someone who has been kicked of of UC Berkeley campus many times for skating and has also gotten ticketed there, I can assure you that those are most likely UC Berkeley Police Officers and not security guards (same with BART). They have guns, can arrest you, and, like all cops, can do whatever they want more or less and there isn't much in the moment you can do about it.
I'm shocked they didn't respond well to your friend proclaiming he knew the rules. Cops usually respect stuff like that.
That being said, watch out, SF. All security and cops are going to way overreact to skating for a while.
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000?
So Nike makes the best shoe, we should give security guards the benefit of the doubt, and women skaters are still only relevant based on how attractive they are. Am I all caught up on my Slap bullshit now?
When I play the GX videos backwards, I feel the urge to commit acts of violence.
I like the part where Arnold scalps a guy with a saw blade thrown like a frisbee, and the chops of another dudes arm with a machete.Expand Quoteyou’ve obviously never seen commandoExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'd say people have definitely been trying to go viral with the public violent interactions the last 2 years or so. The people putting their head in the sand are the ones saying it's always been a thing and bring up moses Imo. Kids imitate the fuk out of all the key chain at the waist bullshit and all the rest of it. I basically agree with the op.[close]
Hate seeing that kind of shit and the morons cheering it on. Violence is never cool.[close][close]
The Security Guard’s middle initial is K, he smokes Kools, and he was eating a Kitkat. K=11, 11+11+11=33.
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers
6:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s
It’s this kind of shit that makes us look bad. If you get kicked out just leave. Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
Expand Quote6:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s
It’s this kind of shit that makes us look bad. If you get kicked out just leave. Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.[close]
Yo. Fuck Nak. Not fucking with him anymore. That was cringe beyond belief. Worse than his Mountain Dew hair color
I can empathize with level headed security guards because they are just doing their job, but I can't stand those random ass civilian social justice warrior types, it's like mind your own business and go to the police academy if you want to patrol the city
6:00suspect hairstyles all-around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s
It’s this kind of shit that makes us look bad. If you get kicked out just leave. Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.
Are there any updates on the security guard? Any arrests made?Yeah, cops are looking for a teenager aged 16-18 in Dickies, CONS and a hoodie.
In all my years skating I've never had a violent or even confrontational encounter with security, business owners, or police. Be respectful and leave if they ask.
The world is fucking gigantic, stop acting like the current spot you're skating is the only one on earth.
Puleo did this 20 years ago and now they’re trying to monetize it?
suspect hairstyles all-aroundExpand Quote6:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s
It’s this kind of shit that makes us look bad. If you get kicked out just leave. Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.[close]
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers
From my law enforcement prospective (sic):
1. Skateboarding is a gateway crime
2. #1
Expand QuoteExpand Quote6:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOop6AHKsY&t=286s
It’s this kind of shit that makes us look bad. If you get kicked out just leave. Na-Kel looks really bad in this, imo.[close]
Yo. Fuck Nak. Not fucking with him anymore. That was cringe beyond belief. Worse than his Mountain Dew hair color[close]
oh relax. if being an annoying insecure 20 year old with bad fashion sense was a crime we all would be fucked. those people in the video probably laughed about it over dinner that night. he's got a lot of maturing to do but i wouldnt write him off over something this asinine.
Something seems odd with Danny Way being on Bams instagram so much this to a security guard with a head wound. Seems like Danny could be hiding something here....???
Could we start a go fund me for this dude to have a beer with the cop who got off for shoulder checking that kid in SF?They probably already play with each other through the gloryhole at the adult video store.
Update :(oh fuck, that's no good man. assault with a deadly weapon/premeditated murder are definitely not mellow charges obviously. also, with that first charge comes the assumption that he more than likely truck bashed the dude which is really fucked up. from getting your first thrasher cover/last trick in the craziest video of the year to most likely prison time in a matter of months... shit really went downhill quick for this guy.
https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html
oh fuck, that's no good man. assault with a deadly weapon/premeditated murder are definitely not mellow charges obviously. also, with that first charge comes the assumption that he more than likely truck bashed the dude which is really fucked up. from getting your first thrasher cover/last trick in the craziest video of the year to most likely prison time in a matter of months... shit really went downhill quick for this guy.Expand QuoteUpdate :(
https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html[close]
(downhill pun just to kind of lighten the heaviness in here)
PC 245(a)(1) reads: "Any person who commits an assault upon the person of another with a deadly weapon or instrument other than a firearm shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years, or in a county jail for not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment."
https://www.shouselaw.com/assault-weapon.html
Edit - Dropped:Under Penal Code 664/187, California law defines "attempted murder" as when you (1) intend to kill someone and (2) take a "direct step" towards killing that person, but he or she does not die. "Attempted first-degree murder" carries a life sentence (with the possibility of parole, as determined by the California Board of Parole Hearings); otherwise the sentencing range is generally 5 to 9 years in state prison.
https://www.shouselaw.com/attempted-murder.html
Damn. OP indirectly called it from the start with the gx1000 talk. And then everyone jumped to defending the GX crew saying there’s no way this could relate to one of them.hey i think we can all agree this is more pizza skateboards fault than anything
Expand Quoteoh fuck, that's no good man. assault with a deadly weapon/premeditated murder are definitely not mellow charges obviously. also, with that first charge comes the assumption that he more than likely truck bashed the dude which is really fucked up. from getting your first thrasher cover/last trick in the craziest video of the year to most likely prison time in a matter of months... shit really went downhill quick for this guy.Expand QuoteUpdate :(
https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html[close]
(downhill pun just to kind of lighten the heaviness in here)[close]
dammnnnnn those are three heavy charges...
For what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.
my question is this.. if he was charged with 'premeditated murder' then does that mean this dude is dead? can you get charged with murder if the person doesn't doesn't die? wouldn't it be 'aggravated assault' or 'attempted murder'? i hope the dude isn't dead but, that kind of makes me a bit nervous. also, the original link said he was in critical condition so... i don't wanna assume the worst but, it definitely makes you wonder, doesn't it?Expand QuoteFor what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.[close]
Yeah, that one is a definite stretch. I’d like to assume that all of this is in some sort of self defense but I guess we won’t know until this all goes to trial.
It's "Attempted Willful / Deliberate / Premeditated Murder," so the dude is still alive. It's a tough charge to make stick because you have to prove the defendant actually went to the location with the already-thought-out intent to murder. "Aggravated Assault" is usually an easier charge to make stick with similar penalties.my question is this.. if he was charged with 'premeditated murder' then does that mean this dude is dead? can you get charged with murder if the person doesn't doesn't die? wouldn't it be 'aggravated assault' or 'attempted murder'? i hope the dude isn't dead but, that kind of makes me a bit nervous. also, the original link said he was in critical condition so... i don't wanna assume the worst but, it definitely makes you wonder, doesn't it?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor what it's worth, I'd be shocked if "premeditated murder" sticks.[close]
Yeah, that one is a definite stretch. I’d like to assume that all of this is in some sort of self defense but I guess we won’t know until this all goes to trial.[close]
True. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocent
"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.
100,000 bond is really low for those charges..that's a good sign meaning there over charging him now to plead out to lesser charge later.. He might get a year..drunk drivers only get 4 years for killing someonevery true he will plead down to these charges but he's definitely going to do some time. Sucks to be him.
The security guard got beaten up on November 27, and this is from November 13. This is most likely from someone getting hurt. There’s no blood on either truck.True. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocentExpand Quote
"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.[close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Obviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
Expand QuoteObviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy[close]
Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?
using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteObviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy[close]
Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?[close]
Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.
I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.
I didn't think about the dates, good catch. I knew it's not from that but I'm saying when investigating this case, it isn't good that this is one of the last things he's posted, even though it's from a completely different time. I'm on the side hoping Jesse is innocent. I've never met him but mutual friends of mine know him well and talk nothing but good about himThe security guard got beaten up on November 27, and this is from November 13. This is most likely from someone getting hurt. There’s no blood on either truck.Expand QuoteTrue. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocentExpand Quote
"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.[close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)[close]
Is there any proof that it’s from beating the security guard and not some other incident?
Calm down Jesse I didn't say that's actual evidence. I'm on your side manYou really need to get your shit together - did make any effort to validate your crackpot theory before you posted this bullshit? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.Expand QuoteTrue. If there is suspicion, it must have something to do with this post, but let's hope he's innocentExpand Quote
"The person named in this listing has only been arrested on suspicion of the crime indicated and is presumed innocent." - Let's hope for the best.[close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteObviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy[close]
Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?[close]
Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.
I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteObviously overshot charges but damn this isn't gonna end well. Hopefully someone filmed the thing or security cameras caught something so they can know what lead to the assault. But using your board to hit someone in the head is unacceptable in any situation unless the other person is seriously threatening a life. Full kook move fuck that guy[close]
Fully agree but has it been established that this is what happened here?[close]
Nope, people are just jumping to conclusions that a skater saw a security guard and out of nowhere just decided to attack him. Are people forgetting about the countless times authorities overstep their power? It seems unnecessary to remind people that cops and security guards get away with assaulting and murdering innocent people.
I've met Jesse a few times in the streets. He's always been kind, calm and if I remember correctly doesn't even drink (memory is iffy on this one). We have no idea what really went down that day which led to this altercation. Yes, it sucks for everyone involved, but there are still so many details left out.[close]
I don't want to say you're wrong but I think you are over glorifying security guards as authoritarian figures. I wholeheartedly agree with you that cops often overstep their power especially dealing with POC who are being profiled/targeted. Sure some security guards act like assholes too but skateboarders willingly put themselves into these situations. So I can sometimes empathize with the frustration of being a security guard. Imagine being paid jackshit in one of the most expensive cities in the US to which you were priced out of. Then having to commute an hour or hour and a half to a low paying job just to kick out skateboarders off of private property. That would suck. I'm sure security could care less about skateboarding but the possibility of being reprimanded for not doing so, could put them at risk for losing their job.
So a skateboarder who feels entitled to skate on the premises refuses to leave and makes a low-wage earning security guard's job more frustrating? Seems lame to me.
Don't get me wrong. There was a time in my life where I would run around a security guard or beg just to get another try. Now I just have to let that shit go. Yes, to us skateboarders it is "just skateboarding" it isn't a big deal so we expect other people to not get worked up over it. But can't the same saying go both ways? It is after all "just skateboarding" and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If someone asks you to split, well then, on to the next spot, go grab a coffee, go to the park, go home and cry about it, go anywhere but there. Shit come back another day even. It's not worth stressing out someone who is literally just scraping by a measly living.
Sure I'll still take a stab at a spot that say's "No Skateboarding" or one that has a security guard but if someone comes out and asks me to leave, I'll always politely say "yes" and go. No if's and or buts. That isn't because I feel obligated to treat them as an authority but because I understand they are doing a thankless, shitty, job.
I'm sure if you had an asshole come into your work and refuse to quite being an asshole you'd get up in arms about it too.
For posterity's sake, I hope that Jesse was acting in self-defense
Go ahead kook me for this but I'm sure a lot of older heads feel me on this.
I don't want to say you're wrong but I think you are over glorifying security guards as authoritarian figures. I wholeheartedly agree with you that cops often overstep their power especially dealing with POC who are being profiled/targeted. Sure some security guards act like assholes too but skateboarders willingly put themselves into these situations. So I can sometimes empathize with the frustration of being a security guard. Imagine being paid jackshit in one of the most expensive cities in the US to which you were priced out of. Then having to commute an hour or hour and a half to a low paying job just to kick out skateboarders off of private property. That would suck. I'm sure security could care less about skateboarding but the possibility of being reprimanded for not doing so, could put them at risk for losing their job.
So a skateboarder who feels entitled to skate on the premises refuses to leave and makes a low-wage earning security guard's job more frustrating? Seems lame to me.
Don't get me wrong. There was a time in my life where I would run around a security guard or beg just to get another try. Now I just have to let that shit go. Yes, to us skateboarders it is "just skateboarding" it isn't a big deal so we expect other people to not get worked up over it. But can't the same saying go both ways? It is after all "just skateboarding" and it shouldn't be taken seriously. If someone asks you to split, well then, on to the next spot, go grab a coffee, go to the park, go home and cry about it, go anywhere but there. Shit come back another day even. It's not worth stressing out someone who is literally just scraping by a measly living.
Sure I'll still take a stab at a spot that say's "No Skateboarding" or one that has a security guard but if someone comes out and asks me to leave, I'll always politely say "yes" and go. No if's and or buts. That isn't because I feel obligated to treat them as an authority but because I understand they are doing a thankless, shitty, job.
I'm sure if you had an asshole come into your work and refuse to quite being an asshole you'd get up in arms about it too.
For posterity's sake, I hope that Jesse was acting in self-defense
Go ahead kook me for this but I'm sure a lot of older heads feel me on this.
There are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.You mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Who’s the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.
Damn. Time to get a real job.I talked to an Allied Security person and they supposedly get paid almost double of whatever minimum wage is. Plus, they get paid weekly, and you only get drug tested once. Apparently, the synthetic piss from smoke shops works.
I talked to an Allied Security person and they supposedly get paid almost double of whatever minimum wage is. Plus, they get paid weekly, and you only get drug tested once. Apparently, the synthetic piss from smoke shops works.Expand QuoteDamn. Time to get a real job.[close]
You mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Who’s the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.Expand QuoteThere are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.[close]
It's all fun and games when it's just talking shit about skateboarding, but in this case, you are fucking with someone's life. Someone who doesn't skate Googles the incident and sees that post out of context and might be dumb enough to believe that clip really shows the aftermath of someone being attacked with a skateboard.
Enlighten me then, who are you?Expand QuoteYou mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Who’s the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.Expand QuoteThere are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.[close][close]
A 3 stair? I dont know who you think I am, but I'm not pro. Seriously though, shooing people away for rich people is the job of a cunt. Its the grown up equivalent of wanting to be hall monitor. Sorry if it bothers you.
Enlighten me then, who are you?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou mad security ruined your mobbed 3 stair kick flip in front of the local hair salon? Who’s the cunt? Have some empathy for people just trying to get by.Expand QuoteThere are a lot of shitty, thankless jobs for the uneducated or unskilled of this world, that dont involve being a cunt.[close][close]
A 3 stair? I dont know who you think I am, but I'm not pro. Seriously though, shooing people away for rich people is the job of a cunt. Its the grown up equivalent of wanting to be hall monitor. Sorry if it bothers you.[close]
hey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know
Expand Quotehey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know[close]
You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life. I'm not going to go onto someone else's property to "do my work" and expect them to "get my drift".
Imagine someone storms into your kitchen to use your spatula for handboarding or something stupid.
I'm not saying it's okay. I'm not condoning violence but let's not act like we don't get ourselves into these situations as streetateboarders.
So Nike makes the best shoe, we should give security guards the benefit of the doubt, and women skaters are still only relevant based on how attractive they are. Am I all caught up on my Slap bullshit now?And fred gall shoukd ride for krooked
Legally it's relative and the non-violence reproach is always the answer. So where do we go from here?
Expand Quotehey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know[close]
You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know[close]
You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life.[close]
and what makes you think that this person felt any differently, other than an inflated sense of your own intelligence and morality?
its a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance
its a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance
Expand Quoteits a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance[close]
what the fuck??? english??
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehey everybody getting on their moral highhorse, talking about "unnaceptable behaviour," if you've never had to hit anybody and hope they didn't get up then count yourself lucky and don't act like you know[close]
You're right. I've never willingly put myself into an unlawful situation where I felt obligated to defend my life.[close]
and what makes you think that this person felt any differently, other than an inflated sense of your own intelligence and morality?[close]
This has has nothing to do with me or my sense of morality. We can both assume the culprit knew the consequences of skating on the property.
Expand Quoteits a fun idea to punch niggas in the face like batman but that shit hurts people no more throwing fist unless I have to kill. go thru u with weapon hands too much smoke, hit ninja star from distance[close]
what the fuck??? english??
Honestly this fucking sucks for everybody involved.. we play with a fucking wooden toy for fucks sake.. isn't this a little crazy for both sides? For us as skaters to get so upset that someone won't let us play on our wooden toy on their property, then to go as far as too almost ending someone's life is absolutely ridiculous. And for security guards to get so upset that they'll get into an altercation over a skater slightly fucking up someone else's property. I have sympathy for both people involved, I hope the security guard is okay and I hope that whoever did such a horrible act gets help. This sucks for skateboarders overall...This would be a great thing for Thrasher, Supreme, or Gx1000 to speak out against and raise awareness over, but they probably won't due to the fact their whole marketing strategy is glorifying this unneeded bullshit violence. I really have respect for all companies listed, but I do wish that our community could grow up and act like adults sometimes.
hit ninja star from distance
Put dude in a comaAttacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.
https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/
Damn, so as there's security camera footage, should be a pretty clear case. Awful shit. Also since apparently the security guard got pretty serious brain damage he might not fully recover from, isn't it possible that they'll charge him with a sentence similar to manslaughter?I could see his bond being lowish at 100,000, because he's basically unemployed and broke to the public, and maybe they want him to be the first states witness. It's not uncommon for the first to be charged to be the individual that did the least wrong, but can hand the whole case to the state. Just wonder who the rest of the group was.
Werd on the street is guard came out super aggressive which led to a fist fight. Guard fell back 2 his head. No boards were used as weapons.
Expand QuoteHonestly this fucking sucks for everybody involved.. we play with a fucking wooden toy for fucks sake.. isn't this a little crazy for both sides? For us as skaters to get so upset that someone won't let us play on our wooden toy on their property, then to go as far as too almost ending someone's life is absolutely ridiculous. And for security guards to get so upset that they'll get into an altercation over a skater slightly fucking up someone else's property. I have sympathy for both people involved, I hope the security guard is okay and I hope that whoever did such a horrible act gets help. This sucks for skateboarders overall...This would be a great thing for Thrasher, Supreme, or Gx1000 to speak out against and raise awareness over, but they probably won't due to the fact their whole marketing strategy is glorifying this unneeded bullshit violence. I really have respect for all companies listed, but I do wish that our community could grow up and act like adults sometimes.[close]
Expand QuoteWerd on the street is guard came out super aggressive which led to a fist fight. Guard fell back 2 his head. No boards were used as weapons.[close]
Or from a surveillance camera perspective. Word on the street sounds wack...Word on the street is that spot is blown up as fuck....So 8 guys had to almost kill someone to skate a blown up spot? Major kook shit...thats like a surfer trying to almost kill a lifeguard at Malibu just to surf their shitty waves.
The flyer that his family made states that he was struck in the head with a skateboard...I guess we can put some of the rumors to rest.Attacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.Expand QuotePut dude in a coma
https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/[close]
Something's off for sure.
When the cops stopped my friends and me last week to ask us if we knew anything about it, they said he was stabbed. There were also surveillance images they showed us and asked if we could ID the dudes. We didn't
Overheard Brad Cromer talking to Pat Duffy on the phone. Apparently word is, GX crew was framed by Strobeck and FA camp to halt the GX takeover and put Blessed back on top.Lame.
The flyer that his family made states that he was struck in the head with a skateboard...I guess we can put some of the rumors to rest.Expand QuoteAttacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.Expand QuotePut dude in a coma
https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/[close][close]
is it me or don't you want skaters to be hated by normal people, I mean its going to the olympics like WTF is going on!!!
Is there a Facebook group or any page available for the family of the security guard? The article states that the family has a flyer of pictures of people who police are still looking for.
Expand QuoteIs there a Facebook group or any page available for the family of the security guard? The article states that the family has a flyer of pictures of people who police are still looking for.[close]
here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)
(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)
Expand QuoteThe flyer that his family made states that he was struck in the head with a skateboard...I guess we can put some of the rumors to rest.Expand QuoteAttacked by 8 men? I wonder if there are more charges to come for other individuals.Expand QuotePut dude in a coma
https://abc7news.com/exclusive-sf-security-guard-attacked-by-skateboarder-is-out-of-coma/4913756/[close][close][close]
"Dan was struck multiple times in the head with a skateboard
Who cares if it was a skateboard or a "hard punch", the dude had part of his brain removed and his and his family's lives are forever changedHas that ever happened from just a punch, or did the guy fall on his head?
Would the guy have fallen on his head had he not been attacked by seven or eight people?Has that ever happened from just a punch, or did the guy fall on his head?Expand QuoteWho cares if it was a skateboard or a "hard punch", the dude had part of his brain removed and his and his family's lives are forever changed[close]
matt finley just posted this on his instagram story
(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)
this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.Right. This shit ruins skating for everyone and clearly fucked up that dude and his families life. These dudes need to grow up and stop being so selfish. I hate how fucking with security is the new hot trend, you're really just making it harder for everyone else to skate the spot.
In that suspect photo i clearly see
In most jurisdictions, to qualify as an underlying offense for a felony murder charge, the underlying offense must present a foreseeable danger to life, and the link between the offense and the death must not be too remote. For example, if the recipient of a forged check has a fatal allergic reaction to the ink, most courts will not hold the forger guilty of murder, as the cause of death is too remote from the criminal act.
There are two schools of thought concerning whose actions can cause the defendant to be guilty of felony murder. Jurisdictions that hold to the agency theory admit only deaths caused by the agents of the crime. Jurisdictions that use the proximate cause theory include any death, even if caused by a bystander or the police, provided that it meets one of several proximate cause tests to determine if the chain of events between the offence and the death was short enough to have legally caused the death.
The merger doctrine excludes from the offenses that qualify as underlying offenses any felony that is presupposed by a murder charge. For example, nearly all murders involve some type of assault, but so do many cases of manslaughter. To count any death that occurred during the course of an assault as felony murder would obliterate a distinction that is carefully set by the legislature. However, merger may not apply when an assault against one person results in the death of a different person.
Felony murder is typically the same grade of murder as premeditated murder and carries the same sentence as is used for premeditated murder in the jurisdiction in question.
Expand QuoteIs there a Facebook group or any page available for the family of the security guard? The article states that the family has a flyer of pictures of people who police are still looking for.[close]
here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)
(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)
this is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.
My friend Dan Jansen was attacked by 8 skateboarders on November 25, 2018. Dan was doing his job as a security supervisor in moving metal barricades in place to prevent skateboarders from vandalizing the property he was providing security for. One skateboarder was seen pushing my friend Dan while the others joined in throwing punches and kicks. One skateboarder used his skateboard to hit Dan across the head, knocking him unconscious. All 8 skateboarders fled immediately.
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself
Expand Quoteif you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself[close]
from the "friends of dan jansen" gofundme:QuoteExpand QuoteMy friend Dan Jansen was attacked by 8 skateboarders on November 25, 2018. Dan was doing his job as a security supervisor in moving metal barricades in place to prevent skateboarders from vandalizing the property he was providing security for. One skateboarder was seen pushing my friend Dan while the others joined in throwing punches and kicks. One skateboarder used his skateboard to hit Dan across the head, knocking him unconscious. All 8 skateboarders fled immediately.[close]
https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen (https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)
How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
I think GX1000 just found its next team board graphicExpand QuoteIs there a Facebook group or any page available for the family of the security guard? The article states that the family has a flyer of pictures of people who police are still looking for.[close]
here's the flyer. taken from the video that goes along with this article - https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/ (https://abc7news.com/suspect-accused-of-attacking-sf-security-guard-is-well-known-skateboarder/4918724/)
(https://i.imgur.com/uytzjAy.jpg)
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourselfObviously if that’s what went down there would be no defense. What if that isn’t what happened? What if there is more than one side to the story? If you can’t be logical than go fuck yourself!
I guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.Are you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.
Are you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close]
Expand Quotethis is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.[close]
That footage of the lady getting backside lipslided is going to get some serious burn on the nightly news.
Are you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close]
Expand QuoteAre you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close][close]
I am basing it off of that time I was held without bail you dipshit
Is Jesse from San Francisco? Is he even from California? No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?Expand QuoteAre you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close][close]
Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.
Is Jesse from San Francisco? Is he even from California? No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close][close]
Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.[close]
You sure about this?Expand QuoteIs Jesse from San Francisco? Is he even from California? No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close][close]
Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.[close][close]
Hes from Stockton
I didn't say that he did. I just said it was a cringe worthy way to act as a visitor in another country. Additionally, if you can't see his behavior potentially escalating things I don't know what else to say.
I’m embarrassed to skateboard sometimes.
Yes he's from Stockton dude
Yes, and Simi Valley before that. My friend who has lived in simi his whole life was childhood friends with Jesse and his brother...unless even before that he lived somewhere else, but to my limited knowledge, he’s from California.You sure about this?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs Jesse from San Francisco? Is he even from California? No. So could that simple fact be seen as a potential flight risk?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre you an attorney? Have you never known anyone held without bail before? That can happen for trafficking weed in the wrong state. This isn’t cut and dry, give the man his due process before you judge the situation.Expand QuoteI guess I was confused I thought they were starting the board brand to pay for the trips not for lawyers and medical bills? They don't hold someone without bail if there's another side to the story. Fuck them I hope they all burn.[close][close]
Bail isn't granted if the defendant is perceived as a danger to the community, or a flight risk. It's that cut and dry.[close][close]
Hes from Stockton[close]
You guys saying he didn’t deserve a hard punch astonish me. Have you never been beat up or jumped? In the moment of a fight often people resort to fight or flight tactics, which is likely what happened here. If the security guard punched or grabbed Jesse and he hit him in the right spot at the right time then it’s very feasible that the security guard would have been knocked unconscious and hit his head on the ground. This happens. Self defense is legitimate and exists in a court of law for a reason. What sucks is to see skaters jump to conclusions based off of very little evidence, and more evidence will come. I imagine some of you never grew up street skating, as if you had you would know very well the problem with over zealous security starting fights with us (especially in sf) and how these things happen. Again I say free Jesse and give this man his due process before jumping the gun.
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers
. MTV shows like Jackass and Rob N' Big encourage kids to be obnoxious and aggravate minimum wage service workers
You’re not judging?Expand QuoteYou guys saying he didn’t deserve a hard punch astonish me. Have you never been beat up or jumped? In the moment of a fight often people resort to fight or flight tactics, which is likely what happened here. If the security guard punched or grabbed Jesse and he hit him in the right spot at the right time then it’s very feasible that the security guard would have been knocked unconscious and hit his head on the ground. This happens. Self defense is legitimate and exists in a court of law for a reason. What sucks is to see skaters jump to conclusions based off of very little evidence, and more evidence will come. I imagine some of you never grew up street skating, as if you had you would know very well the problem with over zealous security starting fights with us (especially in sf) and how these things happen. Again I say free Jesse and give this man his due process before jumping the gun.[close]
Even if the security guard was out of line and pushed or grabbed someone, I still doubt it would help the skaters chances in court too much since they were probably told to leave multiple times before shit went down. I don't think it counts as self defense if you purposefully get into a fight with someone. And it's a 60yr old vs. eight young adults. Also them just apparently fleeing the scene without calling an ambulance will probably get used against them too.
I'm not judging Vieira yet since no evidence has come to public. It could've been just a light push where the dude tripped and hit his head which is just unfortunate, or it could've been multiple hits on the head with a board which is completely fucked up on every level. But from the court point of view, he did a violent act that led to serious head trauma, so his chances aren't looking too good
Like its been said, the whole thing is fucked. There has been a lot of security altercations on skate clips lately from my recollection. The most vivid one was that Hijinx unlimited video that pizza face kid made. Kids are dumb and do stupid things but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any repercussions when things go awry. I honestly am surprised nothing like this has happened before given that security guards are always depicted as enemies from the get-go even though all they are doing is their job, its sad. Most skaters are smarter than this and have a bit more sympathy towards them and like most I keep it moving when it gets close to an altercations. Its not even worth it. After looking up the victim he seems like a wholesome guy who loves to fish and has his own YouTube channel. As much as his close friends want to stick up for him (As friends should do) asking to free him would be going the wrong way about this, Unfortunately this needed to happen eventually for us to get a serious reality check.Truly a terrible situation. This guy will need to learn to talk and walk again if he's lucky enough to be able to recover at all. No one deserves this trying to do his job. Unless this guy is new to working Black Rock, most of the GX guys had to have encountered him on some level before, and to flee leaving him with a serious brain injury on the ground is fucked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_abqPEQWgM
Truly a terrible situation. This guy will need to learn to talk and walk again if he's lucky enough to be able to recover at all. No one deserves this trying to do his job. Unless this guy is new to working Black Rock, most of the GX guys had to have encountered him on some level before, and to flee leaving him with a serious brain injury on the ground is fucked.Expand QuoteLike its been said, the whole thing is fucked. There has been a lot of security altercations on skate clips lately from my recollection. The most vivid one was that Hijinx unlimited video that pizza face kid made. Kids are dumb and do stupid things but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any repercussions when things go awry. I honestly am surprised nothing like this has happened before given that security guards are always depicted as enemies from the get-go even though all they are doing is their job, its sad. Most skaters are smarter than this and have a bit more sympathy towards them and like most I keep it moving when it gets close to an altercations. Its not even worth it. After looking up the victim he seems like a wholesome guy who loves to fish and has his own YouTube channel. As much as his close friends want to stick up for him (As friends should do) asking to free him would be going the wrong way about this, Unfortunately this needed to happen eventually for us to get a serious reality check.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_abqPEQWgM[close]
matt finley just posted this on his instagram story
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Just chiming back in here to say I've run into a handful of security guards in downtown SF who have threatened me and my friends with physical violence if we didn't leave immediately. There was no calm approach to us, it was pretty much straight out the gates they were ready to tackle us, punch us, taze us, or do whatever else was possible to physically stop us from rolling around.I would hope if it was in reverse, cops would get rid of the blue wall of silence bull shit and say this is fucked, and not automatically defend one of their own. If the guy was clocked in the head with a board after he was already down surrounded by 8 ppl, that's gone beyond the point of self-defense and is retaliatory assault.
I've had guards come at me and get up in my face literally spitting saying anything they could to provoke me in hopes I reacted violently so they could flex.
I'm guessing no one else remembers the time the security guard in Portland literally hit a skater in the head with a skateboard? What would you do if that was your friend getting hit or assaulted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0iWDcLuns
Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.
I also need to point out at The Dolores Hill Bomb 2 years ago, a cop nearly killed a kid and he didn't go over to the kid to see if he was all right. He just walked the fuck away.
If the guy was clocked in the head with a board after he was already down surrounded by 8 ppl, that's gone beyond the point of self-defense and is retaliatory assault.
Fair enough, but the fact he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon seems like something outside of his fist was used. Maybe they overcharged him or they charged the wrong person. But, given the amount of cameras around that is a really serious charge to lay.Expand QuoteIf the guy was clocked in the head with a board after he was already down surrounded by 8 ppl, that's gone beyond the point of self-defense and is retaliatory assault.[close]
From what I've heard, there was no attack with a board. The world needs to see the security footage and any other documentation of the altercation. That footage of the Portland skaters being released led them to win their case.
Ok, so I checked in with Pat Duffy and apparently this is a false flag.
Duffy explained that there was never a guard at this location, in-fact there isn't even a building at this location. This whole story was shot in a government studio with pro-vax spherical earther crisis actors. The whole operation was funded by Soros and Al-Qaeda to discredit the rebellious and free-thinking skateboard movement.
Jo El is actually Jose El Torro an illegal criminal immigrant terrorist rapist bent on destroying America and reclaiming California for Mexico.
Expand Quotethis is also going to really fuck up skating in all of SF, not to mention once the media gets wind of the GX videos.[close]
That footage of the lady getting backside lipslided is going to get some serious burn on the nightly news.
How the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.
Obviously if that’s what went down there would be no defense. What if that isn’t what happened? What if there is more than one side to the story? If you can’t be logical than go fuck yourself!Expand Quoteif you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself[close]
Expand QuoteHow the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.[close]
Grand opening grand closing
I'm sliding down the hills while I shootExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHow the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.[close]
Grand opening grand closing[close]
Bobby Shmurda style.
I am not sure why many commenters have treated the security guard like a feeble old man. There are countless 57 year olds who could beat up 24 year olds.SB-10 is not in effect. The bail industry forced it on to the Nov. 2020 ballot, so there is still cash bail in CA until at least then.
Also, it not hard to imagine the guard instigating in incident. Obviously, this does not excuse the assault.
Regarding the bond, I was surprised Jesse was denied bond and I did not realize that CA does not have a cash bail system. It seems as if the negative effect of this law is that it gives judges more discretion to keep the defendant behind bars pending trial. I don't believe that Jesse would be considered a high risk not to return for arraignment, so it seems like the judge is already punishing him. Hopefully, the time behind bars will count to his sentence should he be found guilty.
Do you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.
Expand QuoteDo you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.[close]
Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.
This is so sad, stupid and so unnecessary. At large, this is the result of that whole skate and destroy / hellride bullshit. A lot of the time skaters are so deep in their skate-bubble, they think they are somehow entitled to do whatever they want and skate wherever they like, skate people's houses etc.
God damn your man Hov cracked the can open againExpand QuoteHow the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.[close]
Grand opening grand closing
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.[close]
Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.[close]
I find it interesting someone is telling me to fuck off for pointing out that there's a chance a security just might not have been as cool and calm as people are portraying him to be.
Out of respect for the person who reached out to me privately, I can say no more.
There's also a chance that the security guard was just as cool and calm as can be, but neither of those excuse somebody violently assaulting him, do they?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you all really think a guy who has been dealing with skateboarders at a spot for 10 years would approach them in a cool and calm manner? I feel like at that point security would resort to more and more extreme measures.[close]
Oh, cool. You were there and know exactly how the guard approached them, Travis? Just because somebody has been employed as a guard for 10 years doesn't mean they wouldn't be calm or cool in their approach to somebody, so fuck off with that "What if" shit.[close]
I find it interesting someone is telling me to fuck off for pointing out that there's a chance a security just might not have been as cool and calm as people are portraying him to be.
I'm sliding down the hills while I shootExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHow the fuck are you gonna put out the best video of the year and then catch a case? This is fucking stupid. They made their bed and now gotta lie in it.[close]
Grand opening grand closing[close]
Bobby Shmurda style.[close]
They think that I'm Tom Cruise
But bitch I'm Jesse with the tool
Don't skate in SF...i remember after the baker riots in LA cops were hot on anyone riding a skateboard. Stop and search for having a skateboard. SF just took a hit so watch out boysI see what you're saying but, no. Law enforcement is different in SF compared to LA. For example, 2:15
The whole thing was on IG story for a hot minute day it happened .
I see what you're saying but, no. Law enforcement is different in SF compared to LA. For example, 2:15Expand QuoteDon't skate in SF...i remember after the baker riots in LA cops were hot on anyone riding a skateboard. Stop and search for having a skateboard. SF just took a hit so watch out boys[close]
https://youtu.be/kF9g3wB6UBQ (https://youtu.be/kF9g3wB6UBQ)
This incident may cause negative attention towards skateboarders, but I'd say just avoid downtown/businesses for the time being
Skating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just don’t be an asshole and don’t skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.or TI
I always have to take a bus to take the (25?) bus that goes there. That park is fun, but it’s more of a hassle to get to—and I’ve hit my head there more than a couple times.or TIExpand QuoteSkating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just don’t be an asshole and don’t skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.[close]
I always have to take a bus to take the (25?) bus that goes there. That park is fun, but it’s more of a hassle to get to—and I’ve hit my head there more than a couple times.Expand Quoteor TIExpand QuoteSkating in SF is fine and the weather was good today. Just don’t be an asshole and don’t skate spots that are patrolled/crowded. The worst thing that can happen is a cop tells you not to skate, and you take a bus to SoMa or Potrero.[close][close]
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.I'm not gunna read 10 pages on this but pretty much this ↑
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.You don’t even try to get a few more tries? Always try to sweet talk them into one or two more goes.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.
If Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.
People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close]
depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close]
i don't listen to anyone who believes in fairy tales. in all honestly if religion wasn't around we would be 1000 years ahead in technology and could probably heal this guys injury's 100%.People who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.Expand Quotedepends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close][close]
i don't listen to anyone who believes in fairy tales. in all honestly if religion wasn't around we would be 1000 years ahead in technology and could probably heal this guys injury's 100%.Expand QuotePeople who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.Expand Quotedepends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close][close][close]
wei don't listen to anyone who believes in fairy tales. in all honestly if religion wasn't around we would be 1000 years ahead in technology and could probably heal this guys injury's 100%.Expand QuotePeople who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.Expand Quotedepends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close][close][close]
guess we've found our new resident troll then?depends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close]
I just want to see the footage, really.
Expand QuoteI just want to see the footage, really.[close]
Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?
Expand QuoteI just want to see the footage, really.[close]
Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?
GX has the HD fisheye angle of the incidentExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI just want to see the footage, really.[close]
Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?[close]
shoulda made the HD switch like gx did.
GX has the HD fisheye angle of the incidentExpand QuoteRitchie Jackson has the fisheye footage. Sorry... this is neither the time nor place.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just want to see the footage, really.[close]
Its amazing in this day and age they don't or won't show the security footage. Seems it would clear things up quickly. Just grainy shots from the cameras is all they have?[close]
shoulda made the HD switch like gx did.[close]
HaPeople who think they can play god like you probably fall into the group of people who don't deserve life. Not that I think it is anyone's right to implement that.Expand Quotedepends on the guard, if someone deserves it i will happily end them and not for me but for the future of the earth and everyone on it. Not every security guard deserves life, just like not every skater deserves life.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close][close]
Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.
Plus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.Expand Quote
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.[close]
Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.
Expand QuotePlus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.Expand Quote
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.[close]
Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.[close]
if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePlus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.Expand Quote
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.[close]
Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.[close]
if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.[close]
What else is going on in Candyland
Because Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt draw a lot more fucking hits to a website than Jesse Viera of GX1000 (and even people on Slap have trouble telling the GX crew apart). It's probably gettable, but its not enough of the public interest to buy. On top of that, the people most likely to leak it, are his colleagues, who probably wouldn't sell it. If it was a random homeless guy or person they might, but probably not someone they know on a personal level.Expand QuotePlus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.Expand Quote
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.[close]
Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.[close]
if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.
Because Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt draw a lot more fucking hits to a website than Jesse Viera of GX1000 (and even people on Slap have trouble telling the GX crew apart). It's probably gettable, but its not enough of the public interest to buy. On top of that, the people most likely to leak it, are his colleagues, who probably wouldn't sell it. If it was a random homeless guy or person they might, but probably not someone they know on a personal level.Expand QuoteExpand QuotePlus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.Expand Quote
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.[close]
Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.[close]
if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.[close]
Why would Ryan Garshall sell it to TMZ. It probably brings even more public attention to it.
The only one they have footage of is Figgy's, which was a camera phone. I'd assume that getting the security tapes is much more challenging to find people willing to sell it, than a demo gone wrong where there are a ton of people with camera phones.Expand QuoteBecause Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt draw a lot more fucking hits to a website than Jesse Viera of GX1000 (and even people on Slap have trouble telling the GX crew apart). It's probably gettable, but its not enough of the public interest to buy. On top of that, the people most likely to leak it, are his colleagues, who probably wouldn't sell it. If it was a random homeless guy or person they might, but probably not someone they know on a personal level.Expand QuoteExpand QuotePlus, footage can bias potential jurors, depending on what narrative the news channels choose.Expand Quote
this is not a local gas station owned by two locals excited to yell "thats my camera" at their TV or make a fun youtube account. its a massive building owned by a multinational corporation with defined protocols in place. its probably analyzing their own liabilities for civil damages. I feel safe saying that even the police probably had to subpoena the security footage and go through the proper channels. The building ownership wont be giving it to the news, and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to (which they dont).
EDIT: ill also add the police sometimes keep parts of investigations away from the public in order to check veracity. if someone (whether witness or proffering unindicted coconspirator) wants offer a narrative they will ask them to fill in missing information that's not publicly available. i have no idea if thats happening here but its possible.[close]
Going off tangent, the building is owned 30% by a Trump company and 70% by some other real estate company.[close]
if tmz could get the security cam footage of ray rice (elevator knockout of fiancee) and kareem hunt (shoving and kicking a woman) from those las vegas and ohio hotels, respectively, i don't see why they wouldn't be able to acquire the black rock tapes. skateboarding, of course, is not the nfl, so perhaps there is just no financial incentive to track it down. maybe ryan garshell could anonymously sell them the footage if he thinks it would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion). would help cover some legal fees too. it's rumored they paid around 100k for the ray rice footage. tmz has run stories about skateboarding in the past, so it wouldn't be too far out of left field if they picked up this story.[close]
Why would Ryan Garshall sell it to TMZ. It probably brings even more public attention to it.[close]
well, like i said in my post, if ryan thinks that the footage would help exonerate jesse (in the court of public opinion), then he might consider anonymously selling it/releasing it. when you have guys like matt finley writing "free jesse" on their griptape, i get the sense that the gx crew believes jesse is innocent. obviously don't put out the clip if it shows what the abc7 news/gofundme campaign would have us believe.
and yes, no doubt. ray rice and kareem hunt generate a lot more clicks that any skater would, but in this day and age, the internet demands constant content. just check out some of the other skate-related stories that tmz has published, and tell me they wouldn't be interested in this one:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/don-nguyen-justin-figueroa-skateboard-skate-park-fight-brawl-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/don-nguyen-justin-figueroa-skateboard-skate-park-fight-brawl-video/)
https://www.tmz.com/2014/04/11/jereme-rogers-skater-arrested-lure-nightclub-beating/ (https://www.tmz.com/2014/04/11/jereme-rogers-skater-arrested-lure-nightclub-beating/)
https://www.tmz.com/2018/10/24/pro-skateboarder-neal-hendrix-accused-sexual-assault-julz-lynn/ (https://www.tmz.com/2018/10/24/pro-skateboarder-neal-hendrix-accused-sexual-assault-julz-lynn/)
I'd assume that getting the security tapes is much more challenging to find people willing to sell it, than a demo gone wrong where there are a ton of people with camera phones.
If gx1000 just stood there and filmed a violent assault then he is gonna be in some trouble too.
Havent you seen the last episode of Sienfeld?Expand QuoteI'd assume that getting the security tapes is much more challenging to find people willing to sell it, than a demo gone wrong where there are a ton of people with camera phones.[close]
agreed.Expand QuoteIf gx1000 just stood there and filmed a violent assault then he is gonna be in some trouble too.[close]
i'm not sure if that's true. this article gets into some pretty fucked up examples - https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/crime-bystanders-no-charges (https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/crime-bystanders-no-charges)
https://vimeo.com/121301640
So the Nuge fought a child, and fiiggy punched a dude from behind who was trying to break it up? real sick..
If gx1000 just stood there and filmed a violent assault then he is gonna be in some trouble too.
How many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.
"Agenda" -honestly to me ur the guy who comes off a tad agena-y.Expand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.[close]
It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.
That's right bitch"Agenda"Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.[close]
It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.[close]
Yo, don’t call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.That's right bitchExpand Quote"Agenda"Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.[close]
It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.[close][close]
Thanks B.Yo, don’t call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.Expand QuoteThat's right bitchExpand Quote"Agenda"Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.[close]
It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.[close][close][close]
Yo, don’t call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.Expand QuoteThat's right bitchExpand Quote"Agenda"Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.[close]
It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.[close][close][close]
"Agenda" -honestly to me ur the guy who comes off a tad agena-y.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow many views did Moses Itkonen video part get in 1993? 5,000? It’s a different era. Shit isn’t underground. All videos that are posted online are accessible to the mainstream (GX has 388k views).
It’s not a good look for skateboarders to be shown backlipping into a female (?) security guard (person of color). Shit is not cool. Especially when you are another skater residing in the same city, where police are now actively detaining and photographing all skaters while they search for the culprit of this incident. Skateboarding and our videos don’t exist in a vacuum.[close]
It's not a good look any people getting hurt no need to push the female/ people of color agenda. We are all the same.[close]
Dude ur all about the divisions.
Yah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division
It was tounge in cheek they weren't NazisYah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division[close]
Shows alot of class.It was tounge in cheek they weren't NazisExpand QuoteYah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division[close][close]
Shows alot of class.Expand QuoteIt was tounge in cheek they weren't NazisExpand QuoteYah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division[close][close][close]
Expand QuoteShows alot of class.Expand QuoteIt was tounge in cheek they weren't NazisExpand QuoteYah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division[close][close][close][close]
They did wear button down shirts hahaa
No, they would just look like gypsies.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteShows alot of class.Expand QuoteIt was tounge in cheek they weren't NazisExpand QuoteYah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division[close][close][close][close]
They did wear button down shirts hahaa[close]
Would it have been even classier if they wore durags?
Yo, don’t call the guy a bitch. He gives cigs to kids like you.
Expand Quotesupreme should pay off the city with all that carlyle group money[close]
Carlyle Group probably owns the security agency too. Playing both sides Bush style.
I would imagine prosecutors have/are already sorting through all the GX videos, taking notes on ALL of the negative interactions with home-owners, security guards/law enforcement, graffiti, etc.
Think twice before throwing them hands.
So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.
So there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.
Expand QuoteSo there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.[close]
Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.[close]
Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.[close]
He doesn’t introduce himself as that
In a Bond, James Bond voice.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo there's a person who goes by GX1000? That alone seems like a jailable offense.[close]
Picture him coming up and introducing himself like that.[close]
He doesn’t introduce himself as that[close]
Yeah but just picture it
It was tounge in cheek they weren't NazisExpand QuoteYah with the "surf goth" name id already envisioned the joy division appretiation. And yah the band had an ss thing on the go so horses for courses.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude ur all about the divisions.[close]
I'm only about the joy division[close][close]
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Horrible shit. This guy's life is fucked for another kid's instagram clip.
Here's the photo for posterity for anyone who thinks squaring up to skate a spot is worth it.
(https://i.imgur.com/HFS86WD.png?1)
Even worse, judging from the video, Dan Jansen was doing his job while avoiding any physical altercation with those guys.
If your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.
Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling.
Jesse's court date is today.
Expand QuoteIf your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.
Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling.
Jesse's court date is today.[close]
What's your point, Travis? He wouldn't have that massive dent if Jesse hadn't hit him in the head/caused him to fall on his head, which resulted in the brain swelling, and necessitated the surgery.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf your life isn't at risk, don't fight is my motto. If your life is at risk, and you can get away from the situation, do that before fighting.
Also need to chime in, the massive dent in the skull is caused by the surgery. Doctors remove pieces of the skull due to brain swelling.
Jesse's court date is today.[close]
What's your point, Travis? He wouldn't have that massive dent if Jesse hadn't hit him in the head/caused him to fall on his head, which resulted in the brain swelling, and necessitated the surgery.[close]
I agree.
My point is people are seeing that photo of the guard a massive dent in his head as a result from the brain swelling and will assume a fist couldn't inflict that sort of damage, so a weapon of some sort had to have been used. My buddy hit his head skating down a hill, had the same skull removal procedure happen, and ended up with a massive dent in his head.
Like I said before, I'm not defending anyone's actions. I'm just in a position where I am able to hear both sides of the story, which most people are not hearing.
Side note: Do you also post as Donkey Lips? They like using my first name as well.
No, gx1000store.com is still up.
TKP, your arguments are pointless. Doesn't matter if these dudes used their boards or fists, he's disabled for life due to their actions. I say fuck em.
selling my gx1000 gear on eBay to donate to Dan Jansen's GoFundMe.I would think the company he works for would have to take of all those medical bills.
https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen
(https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)
Also, funny how GX's website is non-existent
TKP
both are assaults
I would think the company he works for would have to take of all those medical bills.Expand Quoteselling my gx1000 gear on eBay to donate to Dan Jansen's GoFundMe.
https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen
(https://www.gofundme.com/friends-of-dan-jansen)
Also, funny how GX's website is non-existent[close]
I’m sure I’m wrong though.
That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.I know man i have a perfect day to skate and no work but this is getting to me.
Here's the photo for posterity for anyone who thinks squaring up to skate a spot is worth it.
(https://i.imgur.com/HFS86WD.png?1)
Such a bummer. So lame for skateboarding. So lame for Dan Jansen and his family. So lame for Blackrock. So lame for all of us. Fighting is for kooks.
Damn....that is a terrible photo.
Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.
Expand QuoteTKP
both are assaults[close]
Yes. However, the perception of the crime is changed when someone is told "This person assaulted someone by punching them" vs "This person assaulted someone by hitting them with a skateboard".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I know, if a weapon was used, jail sentences can be longer.
IE:
You punch someone, get a battery and assault charge.
You punch someone, and hit them with your board. You getbattery, assault, and assault with a deadly weaponaggravated assault, or assault with a deadly weapon..
It'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate thereExpand QuoteDamn....that is a terrible photo.
Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.[close]
Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
It'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate thereExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn....that is a terrible photo.
Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.[close]
Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?[close]
I'd say it brought a newer sort of element of skating to the forefront for SF. Not that hitting spots in to hill bombs is new, but how they were skating the city. But, SF was the skate mecca all throughout the early 90's with EMB and then Pier 7 being at the forefront of Plaza skating. How many influential skaters have we heard about moving to SF in that era? Jamie Thomas, Scott Johnston, Rob Welsh, Josh Kalis, Bobby Puelo, Lennie Kirk, Ethan Fowler, Mike Daher, and probably 40 other people I'm missing.Expand QuoteIt'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate thereExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn....that is a terrible photo.
Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.[close]
Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?[close][close]
maybe they are putting sf on the map for the millennial and younger generations but sf has always been a skate mecca for as long as i can remember.
Yes didn't mean to put it as if GX is the ONLY reason. Cause they're obviously not. Just pointing that they do "beautify" SF to people more than one would thinkExpand QuoteIt'd be a lie if you said GX is not shining a light on SF. Back when they'd drop edits on thrasher and even when they dropped the GX1000 video, everyone I skated with and their mothers made the move to SF just to live and skate thereExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn....that is a terrible photo.
Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.[close]
Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?[close][close]
maybe they are putting sf on the map for the millennial and younger generations but sf has always been a skate mecca for as long as i can remember.
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everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.Expand QuoteMore on this depressing, sad situation...
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad
everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMore on this depressing, sad situation...
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad[close]
They basically all left dude to die. That's fucked. I don't get why people are so heavily specifying what he should actually be charged with. We aren't the jury. All we can judge is whether we think he's a shitty human being, and after watching that, I absolutely think he is. At the end of the day, he knocked a guy down who was simply doing his job who now has life-altering injuries. Whether he hit him with a board/truck or not is irrelevant in how I'll view him or GX1000.everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMore on this depressing, sad situation...
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad[close]
everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMore on this depressing, sad situation...
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad[close]
Industry better talk about it
Expand QuoteDamn....that is a terrible photo.
Ironically I walked by black rock yesterday. There was about 30 or so people wearing shirts that said Justice For Dan and all were handing out fliers. I spoke to one of the guys and he seemed pretty upset. Not sure if it was family, friend or a volunteer but interesting to see it from that side. Just a really fucked up situation. I like GX vids cause they are putting SF skating on the map with their unique vids but this just sort of tarnishes it all.[close]
Not to derail, but "putting SF skating on the map"? Like, for real? SF has been totally under the radar and people didn't know it had a thriving skate culture eh? gx1000 really bringing the fact that skating is a pretty big deal in the Bay to light is it?
everyone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMore on this depressing, sad situation...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html%3famp=y[close]
holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad[close]
and the police probably wont give it to the news unless they absolutely need to(which they dont).
I've already said I'm not defending the actions of the skaters and you should not fight unless your life / well being is literally on the line. The whole time I've only been interested in hearing all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions.
I am involved in a field of security that involves the duties of security guards. The skaters were breaking the law by skating a spot on private property, but that happens all the time. Situations where the security guard ends up getting into a fight and sustaining life threatening injuries over this do not. I would like to know all the actions of the guards so that situations like this do not arise again in the future. Particularly what was said. Knowing what led to the escalation will matter in a court room.
You're surprised? Just because some people blew it doesn't mean they're going to stop. One thing i noticed is there's no filmer wearing all white in the surveillance cam, as there is in the "suspects" flyer. I'm sure there's homie support but in this case, every man for himselfExpand Quoteeveryone running off as a man lays motionless on the ground was really brutal to see aswell.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMore on this depressing, sad situation...
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holy fuck..
that was hard to watch. Once they put the dudes face on screen. Man so sad[close][close]
I hope they all get charged. And the GX1000 IG account has been posting in a business as usual manner after what has happened...
Expand QuoteIndustry better talk about it[close]
Hah, good one
Even if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line
Expand QuoteEven if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line[close]
Go back and watch the security cam footage. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.
For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.
Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation, but the video does show they did not instigate the violence.
I don't think anyone associated with Thrasher is going to touch anything related to this such as Skateline NDB. My guess is they are already worried about their own liability considering they probably have Gershall as some sort of employee or contractor.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIndustry better talk about it[close]
Hah, good one[close]
Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteEven if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line[close]
Go back and watch the security cam footage. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.
For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.
Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation, but the video does show they did not instigate the violence.[close]
Are they holding you hostage and forcing you to suck their dicks or what's going on with you
Jim Thiebaud should make a 'hanging violent skater' graphic.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIndustry better talk about it[close]
Hah, good one[close]
Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.
You do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteEven if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line[close]
Go back and watch the security cam footage. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.
For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.
Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation, but the video does show they did not instigate the violence.[close]
Are they holding you hostage and forcing you to suck their dicks or what's going on with you[close]
I'm having a critical eye towards how authority is being portrayed by the media in the United States of America. Not accepting the story strangers are telling me when I am hearing otherwise from more reliable sources?
TKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.
You do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?
I agree that I could see Gary offering some actual level headed advice along the lines of "chill the fuck out before you spend years in prison", but the minute anyone talks about skateboarding as a single thing "what's good for skateboarding" or "the image of skateboarding" you will instantly lose everyone who is actually out there skating.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIndustry better talk about it[close]
Hah, good one[close]
Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.[close]
Even if that isn't their goal, they may just be having trouble actually accepting what happened. If they are friends with Jesse, I doubt they want to believe he's a ruthless brute who beat a guy into a coma for just being asked to leave a spot.Expand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
Expand QuoteI agree that I could see Gary offering some actual level headed advice along the lines of "chill the fuck out before you spend years in prison", but the minute anyone talks about skateboarding as a single thing "what's good for skateboarding" or "the image of skateboarding" you will instantly lose everyone who is actually out there skating.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIndustry better talk about it[close]
Hah, good one[close]
Ha, yeah I know, long shot...The industry at seldom times has spoken out in the past about community involvement, racial diversity, sexual diversity/awareness, cancer, drugs, excessive drinking, drinking and driving, life in 3rd world countries, health, environment...I'm sure there are other subjects...it's not too far of a stretch to bring up violence (can't believe I'm typing violence) . Only platform I can see anything remotely mentioned would be on Skateline NBD.[close][close]
lol
I'm gonna bring this up to everyone I see from now on
"Sorry that you didn't find the cereal you were looking for but did you hear about GX?"Expand QuoteI'm gonna bring this up to everyone I see from now on[close]
Do you really think the old lady behind you in line at the grocery store is going to want to hear about this?
Old guy swinging his foot or shaking his fist is 100% irrelevant to the situation.Expand QuoteEven if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line[close]
I just rewatched the security footage and noticed something I missed. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.
For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.
Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation / retaliated.
However, this video does prove they did not start the fight.
Expand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.
"Sorry that you didn't find the cereal you were looking for but did you hear about GX?"Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm gonna bring this up to everyone I see from now on[close]
Do you really think the old lady behind you in line at the grocery store is going to want to hear about this?[close]
I've never experienced a security at black rock being a dick. They all would give us last tries or even time to skate and turn their head the other way, which is why it was a hot spot, even during the week while it's lunch hour. No matter who did what first, security there have done so many favors for skaters and it's fucked that it got taken for granted like thatOld guy swinging his foot or shaking his fist is 100% irrelevant to the situation.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteEven if the security guard was saying some nasty shit it seems clear, at least to me, that the retaliation went way over the line[close]
I just rewatched the security footage and noticed something I missed. At 1:43 you see the guard near the skaters making a lunge / kick at them and attempting to grab them. If we are going by the time lime of the footage, this was the first act of violence. He is then pushed to the ground.
For most, this would be when the crew left. Unfortunately a skater then comes up and punches him while he is down / getting up.
Yes, the skaters should have left quicker and not gotten into an altercation / retaliated.
However, this video does prove they did not start the fight.[close]
Kudos to Mackenzie for speaking out about it. I think it's ironic that Tony Vitello was just on the cover of the San Francisco Chronicle and showed up for the bail hearing for Jesse a couple weeks ago. In the video from the courthouse Tony sure did look to be avoiding that news camera. Maybe because he was listed as an executive producer for the last GX video.
Bro I couldn’t agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.Expand QuoteTKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.[close]
What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
Expand QuoteKudos to Mackenzie for speaking out about it. I think it's ironic that Tony Vitello was just on the cover of the San Francisco Chronicle and showed up for the bail hearing for Jesse a couple weeks ago. In the video from the courthouse Tony sure did look to be avoiding that news camera. Maybe because he was listed as an executive producer for the last GX video.[close]
Maybe he is avoiding news cameras because his father built a skateboard empire on drug money
The NBC video states that Jesse has video footage that would show he is not the instigator of the incident and it would be displayed in court on Friday (today). Did anyone go down to the court house to see what was shown in court today?There must have been a 2nd skateboard smasher on the grassy knoll. The only way to exculpate Jesse is by pushing someone else in front of the bus.
(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)
The NBC video states that Jesse has video footage that would show he is not the instigator of the incident and it would be displayed in court on Friday (today). Did anyone go down to the court house to see what was shown in court today?
(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)
Brian Delatorre is suspect seven on the flyer. Which we've known for weeks now but no one is really talking about him.He should hide out here, he'll be safe for sure.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsOjYbnlMqw/
Brian Delatorre is suspect seven on the flyer. Which we've known for weeks now but no one is really talking about him.
Expand QuoteTKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.[close]
What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?
Expand QuoteThe NBC video states that Jesse has video footage that would show he is not the instigator of the incident and it would be displayed in court on Friday (today). Did anyone go down to the court house to see what was shown in court today?
(This seems like it could have been an interesting story for a skate media publication to follow.)[close]
After the whole Jason Jesse nonreporting debacle, it's painfully obvious that current skate media is solely focused on hero worship rather than publicizing a story that makes skaters look bad. Speaking out gets you blacklisted and ostracized.
Bro I couldn’t agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.[close]
What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?[close]
You want to go bro?! Because I’ll go!? Btw I was looking at your picture and have you ever heard of cultural appropriation?Expand QuoteBro I couldn’t agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.[close]
What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?[close][close]
Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.
I’m backing PC Principal, not that he needs a spotter. He’s not the hero slap wants, but he’s the hero that slap needs.You want to go bro?! Because I’ll go!? Btw I was looking at your picture and have you ever heard of cultural appropriation?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBro I couldn’t agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.[close]
What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?[close][close]
Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.[close]
Expand QuoteI worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see.
Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.
The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.
With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...[close]
This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Amen to that. He is Slap's conscience and soul. As to walking away after knocking out the guard, maybe they called 911 but they most likely were unaware of the extent of his injuries. If they'd stuck around, likely all of them would be held without bail until they turned against the one with the longest record and testified against him for their freedom.I’m backing PC Principal, not that he needs a spotter. He’s not the hero slap wants, but he’s the hero that slap needs.Expand QuoteYou want to go bro?! Because I’ll go!? Btw I was looking at your picture and have you ever heard of cultural appropriation?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBro I couldn’t agree with you more... but describing non-caucasian people as people of color is ultimately rooted in white supremacy. The term POC is derived from the racist term colored people. Although the term POC is not technically racist or a microaggression, some minority groups might be offended. Check your privilege Bro.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTKP again big difference between how real authority like police treat POC and some low wage earning security guard.
You are grasping for straws.[close]
What? I'm confused. Police kill POC and get away with it. I'm going off of actual video evidence here. How is that grasping for straws?[close][close]
Straight up the worst account on slap, and that's coming from me, who has a pretty bad one.[close][close]
Expand QuoteI worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see.
Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.
The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.
With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...[close]
This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
But Doug Rappaport, Vieira’s defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has bombshell evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.
High-definition video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.
That’s when Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.
“Jesse was only defending himself here,” he said. “The security guard fell to the ground and hit his head. It’s tragic. It’s tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.”
Judge Coffese, though, disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php?t=909d895844So they were trespassing and told to leave, repeatedly removed the barricades, some dude who was skating there punched the guard, he got up trying to defend himself around 8 people hit the wrong dude, and the person who threw him to the ground isn't liable even though they chose to stick around and fuel the incident? That doesn't sound like a great defense.QuoteExpand QuoteBut Doug Rappaport, Vieira’s defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has bombshell evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.
High-definition video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.
That’s when Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.
“Jesse was only defending himself here,” he said. “The security guard fell to the ground and hit his head. It’s tragic. It’s tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.”
Judge Coffese, though, disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see.
Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.
The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.
With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...[close]
This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.[close]
Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.
Any closer angle would show more of what happened in the situation and if RG filmed it then I'm sure the footage will prove who really attacked the security guard and who put him in the hospital. No matter what, someone is getting fucked even if the security attacked firstExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see.
Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.
The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.
With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...[close]
This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.[close]
Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.[close]
I'd assume SFPD probably figured out the identities of who they needed to by now, especially since dude's lawyer is talking about the footage from Garshell's camera. Pro skaters and a filmer that are known around the world - there's no way they could remain anonymous.
I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.
People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this. The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.
While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.
This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."
Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.
Expand QuoteI've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.
People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this. The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.
While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.
This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."
Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.[close]
Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?
the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?Damn "worried in sf" made an account just to post that too
(https://i.imgur.com/Js9FRPo.png)
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)
That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.
People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this. The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.
While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.
This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."
Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.[close]
Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?[close]
templeton saying "it's justified when a security guard assaults a skater"?
(https://i.imgur.com/0bZsZ6F.png)
the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?
(https://i.imgur.com/Js9FRPo.png)
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)
Hey Daryl - watch the fucking video or read a little bit. No one hit him in the head with a truck.Expand QuoteThe one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.
This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.
Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.
I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.[close]
We've only seen a cut video of it. But, even Jesse's attorney admits a board was swung at the guy by Jesse and that it was him who threw him to the ground. The statement also seems to make it clear that it was another skateboarder and not the security guard who started the fight.Expand QuoteHey Daryl - watch the fucking video or read a little bit. No one hit him in the head with a truck.Expand QuoteThe one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.
This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.
Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.
I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.[close][close]
Because my sig is making fun of Daryl "retiring" makes me him.
I watched the video and read, there were a lot of comments about him getting hit with a truck or a board, in the video you can see someone hitting him with something that isn't a fist.
Also you joined after the JJ issue, you didn't go through so many pages of Daryl being deleted for his abuse.
But Doug Rappaport, Vieira’s defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.
Video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.
Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.
“The security guard fell to the ground and hit his head,” he said. “It’s tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.”
Expand QuoteThe one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.
This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.
Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.
I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.[close]
They left a guy for dead because they were afraid to get arrested. They are cowards.
the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?
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https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)
Expand QuoteThat's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.[close]
Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless you’re the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldn’t be saying you’re ashamed to skate.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThat's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.[close]
Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless you’re the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldn’t be saying you’re ashamed to skate.[close]
I know what you mean, but if you realize that they basically ruined this man's life for a skateboard trick....
Arguing and pleading is fine. Tyshawn got my vote.
Assaulting and nearly killing a man for doing his job is another story
Damn "worried in sf" made an account just to post that tooExpand Quotethe security guard forum finally starting to chime in?
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https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage (https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage)[close]
The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.All of this is a certified hot take, but saying the dude who had first and last trick in their latest video isn't GX is my favorite stretch of logic in this post. As for saying Dela, RG did nothing wrong, that's debatable, but they definitely didn't do anything right in this scenario.
This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.
Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.
I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.
It's completely unknown. There is a bunch of people handing out flyers with ultra low res photos of unidentified people who don't even match the people in the video. I think I saw Woody Allen and Neckface for sure. Possibly Peter Sellers, but that doesn't really make sense ...Expand QuoteI haven’t read the whole thread, was the rest of the crew there mostly GX1000 or who were they?[close]
"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured.
This is so fucked, and for fucks sake if you punch somenone and he stays on the ground after that it is basic human shit to atleast check out if dude’s still alive...Expand Quote"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured.[close]
Yeah he might have just fallen asleep
All of your argument is bullshit.
Gip gip gip gip
"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured. Also, if a group of people are skating a spot and something like this happens, is everybody there culpable? If i see a cop/security approaching, i just leave. if someone else skating the spot after i leave (someone i might not even know) swings on security, am I now part of a gang beating? It seems like a physical altercation erupted between two people with 8 people total present. Whoever it was swung on the guard, the guard fell and hit his head, everybody left, which is what most of you would do despite whatever it is you are saying on here. If it would have been apparent how hurt the guy was, im sure (i hope) someone would have called an ambulance.
I still don't think any of this will matter when this goes to court though. just the fact that they're skaters and the guy was in a position of authority, they're going to hammer them hard no matter what the circumstances are.
whatever, i could be wrong, but i'm just trying to go on the limited information that's available. i'm just saying, its not like GX1000 as a collective ganged up and beat this guy half to death. They're saying they have video evidence that no one hit him with a board.
Any time you swing on somebody, there's a chance they can hit their head on the ground and end up brain damaged/dead. It happens in bar fights all the time. Its never a good idea unless you need to seriously defend yourself. Its really tragic, and that guy doesn't deserve this.
In court it matters. Passion is the enemy of percision. The truth shall set you free. It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even ur worst enemy. -Basic type shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.[close]
Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.
I have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
In court it matters. Passion is the enemy of percision. The truth shall set you free. It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even ur worst enemy. -Basic type shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.[close]
Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.[close]
Shit! Before i replied i thought id look up the spelling of percision an found that id misspelt it. But cause i clicked on the defenition and read it, the irony of the bad spelling hit me and it was trippy.Expand QuoteIn court it matters. Passion is the enemy of percision. The truth shall set you free. It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even ur worst enemy. -Basic type shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.[close]
Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.[close][close]
Come on
Ha its not ironic cause im a passionate person!That is some ironic shit - especially when talking down to people.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn court it matters. Passion is the enemy of percision. The truth shall set you free. It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even ur worst enemy. -Basic type shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.[close]
Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.[close][close]
Come on[close]
Expand QuoteI have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.[close]
What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean? And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.
Shit! Before i replied i thought id look up the spelling of percision an found that id misspelt it. But cause i clicked on the defenition and read it, the irony of the bad spelling hit me and it was trippy.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn court it matters. Passion is the enemy of percision. The truth shall set you free. It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even ur worst enemy. -Basic type shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.[close]
Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.[close][close]
Come on[close]
*edited for clarity
I have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.[close]
What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean? And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.[close]
That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.
Point is, fighting is for dipshits who can’t control their emotions, and waiting for the “whole story” isn’t super important when someone brained someone else. There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that don’t end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head. Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.
Expand Quote*edited for clarity
I have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.[close]
shut up lol not getting in one fight just means you back down like a beta every time you are confronted. Some people would rather die with respect then live the life of a cuck like you, too scared to stand up or yourself.
Just hope the person at Goodwill doesn't go on SLAPExpand QuoteWas curious as to how the fuck gx1000 instagram isn't blowing up. Turns out they turned the comments of. Hopefully no one buys their stupid vhs tapes.[close]
Cowards. I bought one of their boards and now regret it. Dropping my gx hat off to Goodwill today. Fuck ‘em.
Expand QuoteExpand Quote*edited for clarity
I have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.[close]
shut up lol not getting in one fight just means you back down like a beta every time you are confronted. Some people would rather die with respect then live the life of a cuck like you, too scared to stand up or yourself.[close]
Easy there, pepe.
Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.Hypnotoad, who are your 5 coworkers?
Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who would’ve handled the situation for him.
To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.
A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to
Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.Not relevant really. If he was obligated by the design of his position to have called the police in that situation what your saying might be a relevant point.
Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who would’ve handled the situation for him.
To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.
A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to
Hate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops.What kind of card could do that?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.[close]
What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean? And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.[close]
That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.
Point is, fighting is for dipshits who can’t control their emotions, and waiting for the “whole story” isn’t super important when someone brained someone else. There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that don’t end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head. Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.[close]
People are going be tried in a court of law dude! So yah the whole point and partial basis for a free society is that "the whole story" is more than "super important".
What kind of card could do that?Expand QuoteHate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops.[close]
Finally someone actually knows what irony isShit! Before i replied i thought id look up the spelling of percision an found that id misspelt it. But cause i clicked on the defenition and read it, the irony of the bad spelling hit me and it was trippy.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIn court it matters. Passion is the enemy of percision. The truth shall set you free. It would be sinful to omit truths cause you dont like them or to bear false witness to even ur worst enemy. -Basic type shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou do realize your sources could also be extremely biased, making their opinion worthless right?[close]
I do. I initially doubted them and probed them for more information. Once I saw this video I immediately reached out to them again and they stuck by their initial statement.
If they are lying to me, then that is a friendship ruined. I do not think that is their goal in this case.[close]
Zoom out a little bit and think about what type of environment lead to the security guard initiating a physical confrontation. Whether he kicked or lunged or whatever "first" that wasn't really the "first" thing to happen. I guarantee these bros contributed to a hostile environment overall. Was Dan wrong to lunge/kick/whatever? Sure, of course. Does that matter? Hell fucking no. Nothing justifies what these fools did. If you're in a position to check these dudes on this and contribute toward their anxiety about and questioning of their actions, then fucking do it. Don't be a dick rider.[close][close]
Come on[close]
Fair play i see the presumtion i made now, sorry.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI have never been in a fight as an adult. 34 years old, spent many years as a heavy drinker regularly attending rowdy bars, shows, festivals, etc....seen lots of fights.
It’s incredibly easy not to get into physical confrontations, and everyone I know who has been in more than a fight or two on a semi regular basis has serious unaddressed aggression/anger issues.
Fighting is stupid and incredibly dangerous. If you have a differing attitude on this matter, you’re a reckless person. Reckless people do dumb shit and go to jail. I guess they also 360flip street gaps, but lots of people do that without beating anyone within an inch of their life for no reason.[close]
What does " has been in a fight or two on semi regular basis" mean? And maybe you never got in a fight cause you got a face no body wants to punch (power to you), regardless id say ur post is reductive and thrown together.[close]
That was a proofreading error that I have now corrected.
Point is, fighting is for dipshits who can’t control their emotions, and waiting for the “whole story” isn’t super important when someone brained someone else. There are many potential outcomes in this scenario that don’t end with a guy missing a quarter of his fucking head. Recognizing and not acting upon macho bullshit and entitlement is an important part of adult life.[close]
People are going be tried in a court of law dude! So yah the whole point and partial basis for a free society is that "the whole story" is more than "super important".[close]
Yes, it’s important for the outcome of the trial. My point is that getting charged with assault or attempted murder or whatever the fuck is extremely preventable in the first place (especially if you’re white in San Francisco).
Lol at anyone responding to poster cherry
Just go ahead and say the word. Say sleeves.You get outcomes like this when pieces of shirt resort to violence like Neanderthals.Expand QuoteSecurity guards are hired to observe and report. Often times they cherry pick situations to play on their own ego. It makes them feel inferior to call a real cop so they escalate problems and u get outcomes like this....[close]
Literally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk it’s fair game
You get outcomes like this when pieces of shirt resort to violence like Neanderthals.Expand QuoteSecurity guards are hired to observe and report. Often times they cherry pick situations to play on their own ego. It makes them feel inferior to call a real cop so they escalate problems and u get outcomes like this....[close]
Expand QuoteLiterally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk it’s fair game[close]
Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.
No, perfectly legal.Expand QuoteSo is the one kid only getting in trouble?[close]
I would assume all of them will eventually face some sort of charge. They all willingly left the man to die in the street.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLiterally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk it’s fair game[close]
Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.[close]
Fair game as u will both be arrested vs on their property they are the victim©️
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLiterally security guards are the biggest pussies on the planet. Bunch of cop wanna-be tough guys. FYI if u want to fight a security guard walk across the street and taunt them. Once they hit the sidewalk it’s fair game[close]
Thanks for the heads up... just make sure you check with someone (I don't know, your parents or an elderly person) to make sure assault is legal where you live.[close]
Fair game as u will both be arrested vs on their property they are the victim©️[close]
Sounds legal to me, but first: are you my dad and if not, how old are you?
Hypnotoad, who are your 5 coworkers?Expand QuoteHate to be that guy but the security card should have walked away and called the cops. I have friends who work security, if they become suspicious of anyone or think they are in danger they are informed to call the police and not take matters into their own hands.
Obviously those guys should have bailed out when he first told them to leave...... not justifying their behavior but why would that guy go Rambo at 8 kids when he could just call the actual cops who would’ve handled the situation for him.
To flip it, last year I watch some big dude smack the shit out of his girlfriend in a hospital parking lot while 6 security guards did nothing but stand in a circle going stop we called the cops.
A lot of times these security guards play tough guy to skaters because they think they are weak/ not a threat. My uncle was a security guard and got his leg broke fighting a guy. They chose who they act authoritative to[close]
Rick Kane, good joke. Rape is funny.
Damn I’m loling irlExpand QuoteJust go ahead and say the word. Say sleeves.Expand QuoteYou get outcomes like this when pieces of shirt resort to violence like Neanderthals.Expand QuoteSecurity guards are hired to observe and report. Often times they cherry pick situations to play on their own ego. It makes them feel inferior to call a real cop so they escalate problems and u get outcomes like this....[close][close][close]Just go ahead and say the word. Say sleeves.
The one guy was defending the shit out of himself when he hit the old man laying on the ground.
if you defend 8 adult dudes bashing a 60 year old's head in and almost murdering him outside of a fucking bank at a blown out spot, go fuck yourself
First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.
Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?
I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.
Expand QuoteJesse Vieira was defending the shit out of himself when he hit the old man laying on the ground.[close]
Shit situation no doubt but most of you are blowing my mind. None of you were there or know what went down. Self defense can be a bitch sometimes. Did the guy deserve this outcome? Definitely not, but do you think this is the outcome anyone wanted or thought was going to happen? It's a freak thing, bad shit happens. If this security guard came in hot and threw the first punch he could've just as well done the same. He should've done his job and called the cops, if he opened the door this was always a possibility. I'm not condoning it, but we are all human beings and imperfect, we all make mistakes...they were made on both sides I'm sure. I've been assaulted by security guards before and hit over the head with a walkie talkie while I was literally filming and my head was down in my viewfinder, I didn't even see it coming. I jumped up and my friend came to my defense and pushed the guy back off, he could've easily have slipped and fell and hit his head on the stairs...or he could've knocked me out with his initial blow and the same fate could've happened to me. I don't think that would've been his intent but this shit happens in the heat of the moment. Everyone leaves the scene, no one thought the dude was gonna die or be badly injured I'm sure. There's two sides to every story and being in these situations over the years I'm sure theres more to it that isn't being publicized. You fucks are so quick to eat your own all it takes is some sad pictures and the other sides story and you fall for it.
The 2017 thrasher with jason on the cover has an interview with Sean Greene, where he says he broke his neck because he was drunk and didnt want to leave the homies. Could a homie have stayed behind with him? Were they on a filming mission?Sean Greene had nothing to do with this situation though
Expand QuoteFirst, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.
Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?
I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.[close]
Of course Jesse would give anything to reverse what happened, unfortunately for him, that's not how life works and he deserves the 25 years in prison he's about to endure. End of story.
Legal advice on SLAP kind of reminds of grandad getting legal advice from Thugnificent.
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First, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.
Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?
I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.
I couldn't tell shit from the video and didn't read 20 pages. Security swung first and skater did not use a board to hit him, is that the consensus? Yes or no?Yes, but the security guard was punched while on the ground.
I've seen both said multiple times, as I probably did read 10 pages, but I ain't starting over.
Expand QuoteFirst, this thread should is prime evidence of the fact that: if you have even half of a brain in your head, you should stay the fuck away from the absolute morons on this message board. It's unfortunate to those of us who love skateboarding, but also know that skaters are probably the last people we'd want to associate ourselves with these days. Most of the idiots on this thread seem to have a 10 year-olds grasp of logic. It's astounding.
Second, instead of all the beyond-stupid hypotheticals being thrown out by you idiots, the better way to evaluate this situation would be to imagine what Jesse is thinking right now. Do you think he's proud that he fucked that security guard up, happy that he defended himself against a fat old man, stoked that he's in county jail with rapists and murderers and gang members?
I'm willing to be that he would give anything to go back and handle that situation in a completely different manner. He went from being in a predatory 8-on-1 situation, to his little bitch ass being prey in a building full of serious criminals, and being denied bail so he has no way out. Bro is probably crying himself to sleep at night.[close]
I don’t know, it’s your logic that sounds like a 10 year olds to me. “He feels bad about it so cut him some slack.” “He would go back and do it differently.” (Says everyone who has ever been to jail, ever. What’s that saying - you’re not sorry you did it, just sorry you got caught)There is no going back. Also I’d be pretty upset if I was one of Dan’s family members. None of those dudes have come forward to accept responsibility. They’re all hiding and Jesse is trying to get out of it. Not a good look.
Who’s got the second video angle?
I’m thinking it’s not gonna prove shit.
This is what happened.
> guard tries to grab someone’s skateboard to take it away, that’s not something that requires psyical self defense.
>He goes to take the skateboard and is then attacked by a whole group of guys.
>piece of shit skater punches guard while he’s already fallen to the ground
> guard gets up and is hit again and knocked out then smacks his head on the ground
>Guard didn’t throw the first punch
>tries to grab the skateboard and is then asullted to the point of never being able to recognize his family again.
So is Jesse the one that hit the guard when he was on the ground?That part idk, I don’t even know what that guy looks and I wouldn’t be able to tell from the video even if I did know, I think.
CTE1000
What even are courts anymore? Just ask SLAP what to do.
Who’s got the second video angle?the video might prove that jessie didn't start it, but one of the other goonies did. yet jessie didn't defend himself against shit, he basically attempted to murder a guy.
I’m thinking it’s not gonna prove shit.
This is what happened.
> guard tries to grab someone’s skateboard to take it away, that’s not something that requires psyical self defense.
>He goes to take the skateboard and is then attacked by a whole group of guys.
>piece of shit skater punches guard while he’s already fallen to the ground
> guard gets up and is hit again and knocked out then smacks his head on the ground
>Guard didn’t throw the first punch
>tries to grab the skateboard and is then asullted to the point of never being able to recognize his family again.
The GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.
Expand QuoteThe GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.[close]
With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
What else rubbed you the wrong way? I don't think there's a lot in there in terms of being dicks to people compared to a lot of their others. I think the security guard was more at fault with that back lip though. Not very smart to stand in front a skater going fast on some stairs when he clearly can't/won't slow down.Expand QuoteThe GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.[close]
With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.
Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth. No one here knows what actually happened.
CTE1000
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.[close]
With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.[close]
It was a game of chicken where no one backed down, and the security guard came off second best. There's nothing fucked about it.
Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth. No one here knows what actually happened.
She's clearly stood on the steps as he's rolling up, he had plenty of time to stop before popping onto the steps. She had time to jump out of the way too I guess but doesn't look as mobile as him. It's not as bad as their previous videos but just filming homeless people and giving that guy weed was wack.What else rubbed you the wrong way? I don't think there's a lot in there in terms of being dicks to people compared to a lot of their others. I think the security guard was more at fault with that back lip though. Not very smart to stand in front a skater going fast on some stairs when he clearly can't/won't slow down.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.[close]
With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.[close]
Yeah fuck giving people free weedShe's clearly stood on the steps as he's rolling up, he had plenty of time to stop before popping onto the steps. She had time to jump out of the way too I guess but doesn't look as mobile as him. It's not as bad as their previous videos but just filming homeless people and giving that guy weed was wack.Expand QuoteWhat else rubbed you the wrong way? I don't think there's a lot in there in terms of being dicks to people compared to a lot of their others. I think the security guard was more at fault with that back lip though. Not very smart to stand in front a skater going fast on some stairs when he clearly can't/won't slow down.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe GX vid was a banger--best vid of the year IMHO. But I can't help but think the popularity of the vid emboldened them to escalate shit. It would have been nice if skateboarding collectively would have called out the fucking with security/homeowners. There were some posts here and there calling it out skateboarding as a whole as embraced the fuck yeah hellride 1-8. Those foos are in for a hell ride no doubt.[close]
With you on this, a bunch of posters in this thread were hailing the video as a pure representation of skateboarding and saying how great it was that a video like this came out in 2018 but there's a lot of bullshit in there that rubbed me the wrong way - knocking over that security guard on the bs lipslide is fucked.[close][close]
Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
Filming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.
Hate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.
I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?
Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this.
the video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?
Expand QuoteHate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.
I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?
Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this.[close]
You see we have this for humanity in general. Almost every single person should/would look down on what these dudes did.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.
No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?I don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?
I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHate to say it but skateboarding needs to consider a code of ethics. I think it's possible if we held individuals accountable. Magazine editors, photographers, and filmers need to agree on what's okay and what isn't crossing the line....Eventually it would trickle down to everyone.
I know skateboarding "has no rules" but it does. What's wrong with adopting a certain amount of rules like climbers and hikers have adopted?
Seriously, as a community we all know we are better than this.[close]
You see we have this for humanity in general. Almost every single person should/would look down on what these dudes did.[close]
No doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?
I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.
Geturfaxstraight doesn't even havehisfaxstraightExpand QuoteMaybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth. No one here knows what actually happened.[close]
There's a fucking video of what happened you idiot.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html
I don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?Expand QuoteNo doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?
I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.[close]
Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.
Are you for real? How can hiking or climbing not "count"?Expand QuoteI don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?Expand QuoteNo doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?
I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.[close]
Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.[close]
Maybe? Climbers and through hikers do hold other participants to strict regulations regarding their efforts. Don't pick up your trash, plant a bolt, etc...doesn't count. There is something to be said about NOT modifying a spot to make it "easier". Not injuring or killing anyone should go without question.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close]
Expand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.
Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, that’s fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didn’t feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didn’t need any bums to convey a “street” environment, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.Expand QuoteWhat are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close][close]
Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If you’re a good filmer, you’re recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. It’s not hard to do and many people do it well.
I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. You’re a good poster and skate nerd, I’m sure you can think of more than I can.
You made a blanket statement and it’s simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.
*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)
I climb outdoors a lot and while there is a loose code of ethics, there is no one there to enforce it. You might be known as a kook for violating such ethics, but that’s about it. It’s similar to street skating. I know my city has a loose code of ethics among the locals. But no one can really enforce anything.Expand QuoteI don't know what your big moral dilemma is here but personal injury and property damage aren't even in the same ballpark. You want magazines to blackball skaters for using bondo on a crack?Expand QuoteNo doubt. I agree with you 100% anyone with a moral compass would agree. I'm suggesting a conversation as to what is and isn't okay regarding street skateboarding. Some climbers don't believe in using bolts, do we believe in cutting off knobs or kinks?, interacting with security guards?. Most climbers wouldn't take a route if it was detrimental to the surrounding (public) land, as skateboarders should we take a destructive route on private (at least after we have gotten asked to leave) property. When is it okay to bondo a crack, cut a kink, etc.?
I think we need to recognize for better or for worse we belong to a larger community.[close]
Let's just not injure or kill anybody and leave it at that... if someone cuts your rail that you own then you can take them to small claims court.[close]
Maybe? Climbers and through hikers do hold other participants to strict regulations regarding their efforts. Don't pick up your trash, plant a bolt, etc...doesn't count. There is something to be said about NOT modifying a spot to make it "easier". Not injuring or killing anyone should go without question.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.
I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.Not only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, that’s fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didn’t feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didn’t need any bums to convey a “street” environment, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close][close]
Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If you’re a good filmer, you’re recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. It’s not hard to do and many people do it well.
I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. You’re a good poster and skate nerd, I’m sure you can think of more than I can.
You made a blanket statement and it’s simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.
*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)[close]
I'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.Expand QuoteNot only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, that’s fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didn’t feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didn’t need any bums to convey a “street” environment, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close][close]
Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If you’re a good filmer, you’re recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. It’s not hard to do and many people do it well.
I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. You’re a good poster and skate nerd, I’m sure you can think of more than I can.
You made a blanket statement and it’s simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.
*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)[close][close]
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I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
A 38 year old man just died from being punched and falling back and hitting his head in a dog park. It happens more than you would think.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.[close]
Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.[close]
Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.[close]
I'm not going to lie and say I do it, but what if you were busking? It could literally be the exact same perspective at that point.
This whole situation is fucked and what really bothers me is how they all ran off so quick after bashing this dudes head in. I filmed the surveillance on my phone in slow mo from my computer and watched it frame by frame. A few things I noticed.
1.) It does look like the security guard lunges/takes a kick first but we also don't have much footage before that moment.
2.) Someone clearly takes a shot at his head with a punch when he is down on the ground that first time.
3.) He gets back up and looks to approach the group of skaters again which is dumb, but I get it after someone took a shot at his dome. He's probably not thinking to straight at this point (fight or flight).
4.) The video gets really hard to depict here due to everyone standing so close together, but its pretty clear at some point a skateboard comes flying in pretty quick by the security guards head. Whether it hit him or not is impossible to tell, but it seems likely.
5.) He falls straight back and hits his head on the concrete, but it's pretty much impossible to tell if it was the skateboard or fall that caused the traumatic injury.
If I have time I will edit some footage together with frame by frame shots this week. But as I see it right now these guys can go fuck themselves and deserve to do some time.
No, perfectly legal.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo is the one kid only getting in trouble?[close]
I would assume all of them will eventually face some sort of charge. They all willingly left the man to die in the street.[close]
http://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/us/florida-teens-no-charges-drowning-man/index.html
If you are busking and refuse to move, they probably call the cops on you. The GX guys were physically removing barricades being put up and stopping the dude from doing his job. If he tried to grab a board, it wasn't until after a significant amount of provocation. Do you think he should have hit one of these kids with a metal barricade over the head because they were grabbing his companies property? Or dropped one on their heads when they were down? Because that's basically the equivalent you are preaching, that if someone is taking your property, you can hit them with it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.[close]
Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.[close]
I'm not going to lie and say I do it, but what if you were busking? It could literally be the exact same perspective at that point.
Planman, I actually pointed out the differentiation in intent in bold. And you're right, it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way (not saying compensation doesn't happen) is exploitative.Expand QuoteI'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.Expand QuoteNot only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, that’s fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didn’t feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didn’t need any bums to convey a “street” environment, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close][close]
Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If you’re a good filmer, you’re recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. It’s not hard to do and many people do it well.
I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. You’re a good poster and skate nerd, I’m sure you can think of more than I can.
You made a blanket statement and it’s simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.
*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)[close][close][close]
That and for some reason heckler can’t cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.
Not arguing that it’s played out or that there are far greater negative examples—of course there are. I’m pointing out your saying that it’s inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. It’s not. And just because some videos you love didn’t use them, doesn’t negate the fact that plenty have and it’s improved the video.
This is all so off topic now.
Planman, I actually pointed out the differentiation in intent in bold. And you're right, it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way (not saying compensation doesn't happen) is exploitative.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.Expand QuoteNot only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, that’s fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didn’t feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didn’t need any bums to convey a “street” environment, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close][close]
Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If you’re a good filmer, you’re recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. It’s not hard to do and many people do it well.
I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. You’re a good poster and skate nerd, I’m sure you can think of more than I can.
You made a blanket statement and it’s simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.
*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)[close][close][close]
That and for some reason heckler can’t cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.
Not arguing that it’s played out or that there are far greater negative examples—of course there are. I’m pointing out your saying that it’s inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. It’s not. And just because some videos you love didn’t use them, doesn’t negate the fact that plenty have and it’s improved the video.
This is all so off topic now.[close]
Mattchew, you're clearly grasping at straws. Not only did you approach me with a faux-academic response to an argument you made up for me, but I outlined and fine-tuned my stance in follow-up posts and you just keep referring to my initial, one sentence comment as if that's all I said on the issue. Yeah, some instances of putting homeless people in skate videos aren't outright exploitative (unless you go by my definition above), but most instances are, and you just keep referring to these "mystery videos" that homeless people have greatly improved. Can't think of one. But, regardless of that, PUTTING HOMELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR VIDEO IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY AND TRITE AS FUCK. What's next, sticking up for clips of dudes blowing cigarette smoke into the camera? A passionate discussion about the Shake Junt high five?
This is super off-topic and unless you want to start another thread, I won't be continuing this conversation.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.[close]
Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.[close]
Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.[close]
Address please
DGKalis, is Damon Way still paralyzed? It is crazy how fragile we can be while Jaws and Heath show how tough we can be. These are all horrible stories but I try not to judge too hard. Most everyone has been in a fight here or there and you don't expect them to end this badly. I think a Pal or 2 might have some experiences like this. Hope the Pals are not on Jesse V's jury.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe video:
I see an altercation (not clear who started it)
security guard falls/gets pushed down 1st time
he gets back up and rushes the skateboarders
then he gets pushed/ hit/ falls down 2nd time and appears to hit his head, stops moving
anybody see anything different?[close]
I re-watched it today and that's what I see as well. Well he got punched the first time he fell, maybe trying to get back up? Otherwise yeah. He got up rushed em, got hit, fell and hit head and that's what effed him up was the concrete.
I have seen much worse beatdowns at punk shows in the 80's, I think the issue is he hit his head on the concrete.
Some FSU dude knocked someone out with one punch, guy fell hit head on concrete and FSU dude got convicted of murder. If I remember correctly that is.[close]
Maybe someone should take still frames of the skateboard being violently flung towards the right side of his head where moments later he falls backwards and doesn't try to break his fall or move because he's out cold before he falls down. Notice how the picture after his surgery it was the right side of his brain and skull that were removed which is the direction the board was coming towards. The dude with khakis, and a black hoody with a white t shirt hanging below the hoodie ran towards the scuffle with his board, punched him on the ground, swung his board at his head, and then punched him one more time before he fell over and his crew was holding him back.
I've been googling on the subject of head and brain injury and a Traumatic Brain Injury can be caused by a fall, but I'm not buying it based off of the victim's injury that it was only caused by falling back and hitting his head. I think it was a combination of punches, the board, and falling backwards. Falling abruptly and hitting your head happens to people everyday, just think of people slipping on ice. They don't have to be rushed to the hospital, induced into a coma, and have their skull removed to remove parts of their brain. Instead they have a bump on the head and a concussion, usually. I actually completely forgot I slipped and fell on my head onto concrete when I was maybe 5 and I just threw up everywhere and had a concussion. I'm sure there are other posters on here that have also hit their head and ended up being completely fine.[close]
That would be helpful for my blind ass to see that part.
On the other stuff, you can definitely die from slamming your head on concrete, we are all built different and different angles and etc.
6 feet = 13 mph for example.[close]
Yeah but human evolution has a lot to do with the strength of our skull and if our skulls weren't strong enough to protect our brains then you can forget about human beings all together. But I do agree with you it is possible for someone to fall backwards, i.e. slip in the shower and die, especially with the elderly and the victim is nearing that age bracket, so it's possible...except there is footage of him being beat up and the board being swung at his head, which apparently the defense lawyer is saying the board didn't hit the victim and his injury was caused by the fall. I guess we will find out soon enough. Anybody know when Jesse goes back to court?
I saw your post behindthelense, look forward to seeing it.[close]
Understood, but I am not going to watch again to try and sort when a skateboard was swung as a weapon, since I couldn't see it on all my other views.
I will say if you tried to take my guitar, you might catch a fucking guitar in the head, so let's put this in perspective.
Yes though, if you use a something as a weapon and such, you will do time, long and short of it.
It's awful to say, but hopefully someone does a video with madden style drawings and commentary so we can see the skateboard used in an attack, as my dipshit ass can't see it.
Feel bad for the dude, big time, but I kind of think the concrete is what fucked him up, which makes it more of an accident. Doesn't matter and I know that it doesn't matter if accident or not, dude is going to do some real time for his involvement.[close]
Not trying to sound like a kook here but they were skating private property and I'm sure were asked to leave. If you were just minding your own business walking down the street or playing a show and someone tries to jack your guitar that's a completely different situation as that person is doing a criminal act to begin with. In this case the skaters are technically already doing a criminal act by skating this spot before the said incident. By no means can you look at this in the same perspective. And I type this as I am surrounded by $10,000 worth of guitars in my basement that I treat like they are my children.[close]
Address please[close]
I have that too it's only 6 guitars
im surprised ive never actually heard of this before.Expand QuoteDGKalis, is Damon Way still paralyzed? It is crazy how fragile we can be while Jaws and Heath show how tough we can be. These are all horrible stories but I try not to judge too hard. Most everyone has been in a fight here or there and you don't expect them to end this badly. I think a Pal or 2 might have some experiences like this. Hope the Pals are not on Jesse V's jury.[close]
Yeah. He's been for years. Ever since I've known him.. and thats been 20+ years.
Cool your jets Tyshawn or you're next. Clint too but I don't think he can knock someone out.
I’m confused.... so the HD footage was shown in court, right? But it did not prove his innocence since he’s still in jail.
So, they’re saying it wasn’t self defense then?
I wanna see this footage.
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The uncut footage is even worse.Was that supposed to be in the Westgate thread?
I think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though
I don't think the defense is actually the security guard started attacking them. My reading of it was, that the defense lawyer was claiming it was another skater who hit the security guard first, then in a state of confusion or unawareness, the security guard attacked Jesse, and Jesse defended himself. This results in the traumatic brain injury. I don't really think it will fly that well though, they had ample time to leave to avoid being in the situation. This seems to get built up considering he was already putting barricades up, and they were getting moved. So, you gotta think there is 10 to 15 minutes building to the clip we saw.Expand QuoteI think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though[close]
Had been thinking about that last night. The current footage is so distant that it's like we're all taking-apart a clip of the JFK assassination.
If the filmer's clip shows anything less than Jansen acting like a total lunatic it's going to be very painful for the family and won't help the accused. I was curious why the defense lawyer seemed so jovial about it.
Obviously this thread will be massive leading up to the trial but any minute dissection on our part will be pointless. This incident will be looked at very dispassionately by the authorities. Any kind of 'I dunno, it looked like he grabbed a board there' is just like...vapor to the law. It's nothing.
As someone touched on earlier, I don't think it's going to be the referendum on skateboarding in SF some think it will. There hopefully will be some interesting dialogue in the community but to the media and the average person the skateboarding angle won't be a big deal. It could basically be used as shorthand for 'young punks' if you know what I mean.
I don't think the defense is actually the security guard started attacking them. My reading of it was, that the defense lawyer was claiming it was another skater who hit the security guard first, then in a state of confusion or unawareness, the security guard attacked Jesse, and Jesse defended himself. This results in the traumatic brain injury. I don't really think it will fly that well though, they had ample time to leave to avoid being in the situation. This seems to get built up considering he was already putting barricades up, and they were getting moved. So, you gotta think there is 10 to 15 minutes building to the clip we saw.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the extra angle will just ruin this situation more for Jesse. If you've seen the news videos, you should know by now the court, news, and family/friends of Dan are against him and the dudes with him. They don't care who did what first, cause it was on the business property. They're just going to be more devastated seeing a closer HD angle of the guy getting knocked out. We'll see how things go when another news article gets out though[close]
Had been thinking about that last night. The current footage is so distant that it's like we're all taking-apart a clip of the JFK assassination.
If the filmer's clip shows anything less than Jansen acting like a total lunatic it's going to be very painful for the family and won't help the accused. I was curious why the defense lawyer seemed so jovial about it.
Obviously this thread will be massive leading up to the trial but any minute dissection on our part will be pointless. This incident will be looked at very dispassionately by the authorities. Any kind of 'I dunno, it looked like he grabbed a board there' is just like...vapor to the law. It's nothing.
As someone touched on earlier, I don't think it's going to be the referendum on skateboarding in SF some think it will. There hopefully will be some interesting dialogue in the community but to the media and the average person the skateboarding angle won't be a big deal. It could basically be used as shorthand for 'young punks' if you know what I mean.[close]
Given Jesse had ample time to leave, and then originally denied even being there to cops (atleast according to the Judge), I can't see this going too well for him.
Hey everyone, I've missed about 10 pages of this because I've been out of town. I've been critical of those immediately pointing the finger at the skaters from the start simply because I hadn't seen any evidence proving this.
I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack. But today I saw the security footage uncut:
https://twitter.com/nbcjeanelle/status/1081003009847418882
The clip shows the guard taking a skater's board and the skater lunging at him (which I assume was to reach to grab his board back), but it turns out looking more like the first act of a physical attack on another human.
My outlook on this has changed unless I see other video evidence showing the guard making the first attempt at a physical attack on someone else.
Thanks to those of you on here who responded to my views with insight instead of hate or claiming I had some motive for how I was seeing things. I just want to see the evidence before making a decision, which I think is pretty logical.
If it hasn't already been shared in here, this article by Jenkem should be re read by us often:
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2016/12/19/the-skateboarders-guide-to-getting-arrested/
I feel bad for everyone involved in this. I think we can all collectively agree we don't go out skateboarding with the intention of it creating violence.
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:
I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed.
Expand QuoteDGKalis, is Damon Way still paralyzed? It is crazy how fragile we can be while Jaws and Heath show how tough we can be. These are all horrible stories but I try not to judge too hard. Most everyone has been in a fight here or there and you don't expect them to end this badly. I think a Pal or 2 might have some experiences like this. Hope the Pals are not on Jesse V's jury.[close]
Yeah. He's been for years. Ever since I've known him.. and thats been 20+ years.
seeing the GX raw footage would tell us:
-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath
Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity
I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack
Expand Quoteseeing the GX raw footage would tell us:
-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath
Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity[close]
That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
I'm pretty sure the defence lawyer has it. And, if he did as you said, he'll probably catch an obstruction charge.Expand Quoteseeing the GX raw footage would tell us:
-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath
Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity[close]
That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:
I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.
Expand QuoteThe uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:
I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.[close]
Pretty sure the board cracks the security guy in the head. Looks like an unfortunate sequence of events either way in the heat of the moment. Jesse (who assume swung the board) will have plenty of time to think about his actions.
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I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack[close]
I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteseeing the GX raw footage would tell us:
-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath
Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity[close]
That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?[close]
his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence
My outlook on this has changed unless I see other video evidence showing the guard making the first attempt at a physical attack on someone else.
Thanks to those of you on here who responded to my views with insight instead of hate or claiming I had some motive for how I was seeing things. I just want to see the evidence before making a decision, which I think is pretty logical.
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I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack[close]
I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteseeing the GX raw footage would tell us:
-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath
Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity[close]
That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?[close]
his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence
Nice to see you changing your stance on it with further evidence, but please don't pretend like you didn't come on here playing the what-if game when you assumed how the guard approached the skateboarders. You attempted to show the guard as the aggressor with the "if he had worked there for 10 years dealing with skateboarders, do you really think he would've been calm and cool" bullshit. You absolutely had a motive.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteseeing the GX raw footage would tell us:
-what led up to the incident
-what words were exchanged
-who all was there and which ones were the actual assaulters
-whether he was hit with a fist or a skateboard
-whether he hit his head on the ground
-the immediate aftermath
Black Rock has been skated for 25+ years(especially the last few) and it said he has been a security guard there for 10 years -- surely he was a known entity[close]
That raw footage is deleted and the hard drive thrown in the ocean. You think he's holding that with how serious this is?[close]
his defense attorney has referenced it multiple times claiming it exonerates him and intends to submit it as evidence[close]
where are you getting this information re: the defense attorney?
If I was the guard, I'd do the required minimum like post a sign, then kick back and enjoy the show, and maybe HOPE a skater falls and cracks his head open. Film it for MY YouTube $$$. Figure out a way for an air-horn to blast or blinding light to happen, just as they enter a tricky stunt.
If the skateboarders are regulars at the post after biz hours, invite over a few Pitbull owners of a certain demographic, of which their are many in 'Frisco.
Another angle, which would be tricky but could be powerful, is enlist a chick with a camera to get the "professional skater"s name and address, then sue him for "damages" to the property
An interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.
The uncut video kinda gives you a better perspective of the whole thing:it looks like whoever shoves him reaches down and picks their board off the ground to dan's right side
I'm assuming Jesse is the one in the black hoodie with the white tee sticking out. He came after the fact. There was somebody else that initially pushed him to the ground. The first person was a goofy skater (Might have been Delatorre) that got his board taken away first. As he was trying to take his board back it looked like he either pushed him to the ground or Dan might have fell from letting go of the board. Then Jesse came out of nowhere to punch him as he was getting up but kinda looked like he missed. Dan then came right at him to grab him and Jesse's first reaction is to swing his board toward his head. Dan still has a hold on Jesse and Jesse then either shoves or punches himself off of him. That's when he falls then hits his head on the floor and is out cold. I wish i could see the rest, according to somebody here they mentioned that someone stayed behind to call for help. If that's the case id like to see that unless all they did was run away.
I always find that shit fucked. Like, when you hear of school shootings, and they pledge to cover the medical bills. Like, what the fuck, the person gets shot and now is in crippling debt unless charities step in?Expand QuoteAn interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.[close]
Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances
Expand QuoteAn interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.[close]
Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances
Sec. 25-1. Mob action.
(a) A person commits mob action when he or she engages in any of the following:
(1) the knowing or reckless use of force or violence
disturbing the public peace by 2 or more persons acting together and without authority of law;
(3) A participant in a mob action that by violence
inflicts injury to the person or property of another commits a Class 4 felony
Fish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.
fuckin thrasher is donating money to skaters' gofundme projects, i'm hoping they'll donate to dan's as well, i mean gx has a strong thrasher connection so why wouldn't they?Because I bet Thrasher is scared shitless of their potential liability in a civil case (They promote GX's content, they are executive producers on their projects, it can be argued Gershall was filming for them at the time this happened). You have to think any personal injury lawyer worth anything is going to go after them, because they have way more money than Jesse Vieira.
DGKalis proving again why he's one of the best dudes in the industry.Expand QuoteFish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.[close]
Just saw that Kalis donated $500 right now. Good on him
DGKalis proving again why he's one of the best dudes in the industry.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFish are breathing a sigh of relief.
Props on Kalis, big drop and it's not his mess.[close]
Just saw that Kalis donated $500 right now. Good on him[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAn interesting aspect of the story is that they took him to ER at General Hospital, which has a policy that states they don't accept any type of medical insurance (but that shit ain't free). This allows them to charge whatever they want for services, without being constrained by pre-negotiated deals between insurers and the hospital. This likely made the bill be orders of magnitude higher than it needed to be.[close]
Jesus, no wonder people jump out of ambulances[close]
AN AMBULANCE? IN THIS ECONOMY?
*leaps*
DGKalis showing people what the right move is. GX is a bunch of moooaaaarrrrks. Not to mention how they ripped off a latina artists design for their MUNI logo. Wack sauce.
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I have gotten shit for this and a few days ago I saw security video footage that showed the guard making the first attack[close]
I feel the need to clarify what I see as a common misunderstanding. The security role is to guard ( defend ) the property with which your assigned to. If, in doing so, a person (or group of people) physically prevent you from doing so ( moving your barriers ) in an aggressive manner you are legally justified to reflect that level of aggression via the use of force continuum. If you are alone and are working against an assumed group of 7 ( because they were all working in unison as skateboarders ) you are typically justified in making the first "attack" because it's being done defensively by virtue of your role and the circumstances, in this case.[close]
verbal non-compliance only warrants soft touch(garner vs Tennessee) I had thought he told them to leave, they wouldn’t, they moved barriers and he made first physical contact.
Has everyone started to realise that GX isn't all that cool? I couldn't make it past 5 minutes into their latest video. Hill bombs aren't that exciting... and I've never liked watching people skate house spots.
Planman, I actually pointed out the differentiation in intent in bold. And you're right, it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way (not saying compensation doesn't happen) is exploitative.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm guessing you guys have slightly differing definitions of what exploitation entails. It can definitely be a thin line but I think for the most part, simply filming a homeless person when you're out getting clips, especially if they're talking to you, isn't exploiting anyone. It's literally just the reality of whatever area you happening to be skating and filming in that day.Expand QuoteNot only am I willing to bet/argue that the number of instances of exploiting homeless people in skate videos greatly outnumbers the humanizing moments (like when someone sits down and has a conversation with a homeless person, yeah, that’s fine), but more importantly, I can list off plenty of classic street skating videos that didn’t feature a single homeless person or bum for atmospheric purposes. The issue has a lot of grey areas and is obviously not as morally corrupt as the main topic st hand, but sticking a clip of a homeless person in a video is beyond played out. If EE3 and Static II didn’t need any bums to convey a “street” environment, I’m hard-pressed to think of a reason any filmer would.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat are you talking about? I didn't say anything against interacting, talking with, or sharing space with homeless people. That's obviously a part of street skateboarding - shit, that's a part of living in any metropolitan environment. However, filming them playing a very particular role (and don't kid yourself, it's always a certain role, and it doesn't do a good job at humanizing them) and putting them in your video without their consent to show how "rough" or "street" your environment is a weak move (not to mention a trite skate video cliche). Huge difference.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFilming homeless people is played out as fuck and pretty exploitative.[close]
What? While filming street people certainly has the *potential* to be exploitative, it is not inherently so. Skateboarding is a street activity and is intertwined with street culture, of which homeless populations are a huge part of. Pretty much every time I skate in an urban environment I interact with street dwellers...it’s just documenting your environment. Christ, Ocean Howell basically wrote his fucking dissertation on the subject.
In fact I would say most of the time skate videos actually function as one of the only mediums in which homeless populations are provided with any visibility whatsoever. You’re talking about basically the most vulnerable and neglected populations which most people don’t even acknowledge as human, whereas skaters constantly talk, share with, and hang out with them on a regular basis.[close][close]
Glad you agree all of those things are a part of street skating. If you’re a good filmer, you’re recording all of them and using them in your edits because they are a part of the story and experience. It’s not hard to do and many people do it well.
I can list off more than a dozen examples of skate videos, multiple by GX even*, in which homeless people are in no way shape or form exploited and are rather portrayed positively and integral to the video itself. You’re a good poster and skate nerd, I’m sure you can think of more than I can.
You made a blanket statement and it’s simply not true. Context is absolutely everything.
*(for the record GX also uses them in exploitative manners as well, volleys being the worst)[close][close][close]
That and for some reason heckler can’t cop to the fact that he made a huge generalization/blanket statement.
Not arguing that it’s played out or that there are far greater negative examples—of course there are. I’m pointing out your saying that it’s inherently exploitative to film interactions with street people. It’s not. And just because some videos you love didn’t use them, doesn’t negate the fact that plenty have and it’s improved the video.
This is all so off topic now.[close]
Mattchew, you're clearly grasping at straws. Not only did you approach me with a faux-academic response to an argument you made up for me, but I outlined and fine-tuned my stance in follow-up posts and you just keep referring to my initial, one sentence comment as if that's all I said on the issue. Yeah, some instances of putting homeless people in skate videos aren't outright exploitative (unless you go by my definition above), but most instances are, and you just keep referring to these "mystery videos" that homeless people have greatly improved. Can't think of one. But, regardless of that, PUTTING HOMELESS PEOPLE IN YOUR VIDEO IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY AND TRITE AS FUCK. What's next, sticking up for clips of dudes blowing cigarette smoke into the camera? A passionate discussion about the Shake Junt high five?
This is super off-topic and unless you want to start another thread, I won't be continuing this conversation.
how is it exploitive
Hard to let this one go, don’t see a problem with filming street
1. That dude's clearly a lurker, very likely not homeless. There's a huge difference, the main being that homeless people are a marginalized and abused demographic, often thought of as subhuman, and are more likely to suffer from mental illness, addiction, and other conditions that might keep them in their negative surroundings and prevent them from making informed decisions about being on camera.how is it exploitiveExpand Quote
Hard to let this one go, don’t see a problem with filming street[close]
You don’t love the human being with a tongue stickin out dressed in silver?
it depends on your definition of exploitative, but I think it could be argued that filming someone regardless of participation or intent and putting them in your video and not compensating them in some way ... is exploitative.
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Hard to let this one go, don’t see a problem with filming street[close]
You don’t love the human being with a tongue stickin out dressed in silver?
loving this dystopian timeline we’re living in where, for less than a good night at the bar, you can pay professional skateboarders and other d list celebrities to say problematic shit
if you’re skateboarding and security initiates physical force theyve broken the law. Scratching a curb isn’t a felony crime. Obviously swinging your board is deadly force I’m not sticking up for them
Prouse, supra, at 659. The use of deadly force is a self-defeating way of apprehending a suspect and so setting the criminal justice mechanism in motion. If successful, it guarantees that that mechanism will not be set in motion. And while the meaningful threat of deadly force might be thought to lead to the arrest of more live suspects by discouraging escape attempts, 9 the presently available evidence does not support this thesis. 10 The fact is that a majority of police departments [471 U.S. 1, 11] in this country have forbidden the use of deadly force against nonviolent suspects.
if you’re skateboarding and security initiates physical force theyve broken the law. Scratching a curb isn’t a felony crime. Obviously swinging your board is deadly force I’m not sticking up for them
Expand QuoteProuse, supra, at 659. The use of deadly force is a self-defeating way of apprehending a suspect and so setting the criminal justice mechanism in motion. If successful, it guarantees that that mechanism will not be set in motion. And while the meaningful threat of deadly force might be thought to lead to the arrest of more live suspects by discouraging escape attempts, 9 the presently available evidence does not support this thesis. 10 The fact is that a majority of police departments [471 U.S. 1, 11] in this country have forbidden the use of deadly force against nonviolent suspects.
if you’re skateboarding and security initiates physical force theyve broken the law. Scratching a curb isn’t a felony crime. Obviously swinging your board is deadly force I’m not sticking up for them[close]
Goddammit, this just confirms my theory that the average skateboarder is a fucking moron. I can't believe you read all of that and still don't get it. Security CAN initiate physical contact as long as they are responding to non-compliance, meaning if you refuse to leave the premises and keep skating, the security guard is justified in using physical force to stop you. Furthermore, if you are non-compliant AND threatening to the security guard (from the guards perspective, evaluated using the reasonableness test) the guard is then cleared to use more aggressive contact, pepper spray, batons, etc to defend themselves.
Basically, there is no way that a court will find the guard at fault in this case.
Also, your reading comprehension needs work.
i feel like this type of incident happens more often that we know. In my home town a few dudes were out skating street spots at some warehouse businesses. A guard came out hot and a fight ensued. the group of skaters fucked the guard up and one of the skaters truck bashed the guard in the head. They all got arrested a day or two later. There was minimal jail time, but a long probation and community service time. because it was a first offense and the guard didnt have lifelong injuries the guys got off with fairly lite sentence considering they jumped a guy on private property and sent him to the hospital. We only heard about the blackrock incident because its high profile involving pro skaters and filmers and made the news. I think JV is going down hard tho and the judge is going to make an example of this case since its in the public eyeThis incident isnt high profile because of the skaters and filmers, it's high profile because the security guard DOES have lifelong injuries unlike the incident you stated. A part of his brain and skull are missing and he does not recognize his own family and friends.
I haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts outright defend their homie or their actions.
matt finley just posted this on his instagram story
(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)
Are you trying to say that if I’m skateboarding on businesses property that the security guard can attack me without warning?
Expand QuoteI haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts outright defend their homie or their actions.[close]Expand Quotematt finley just posted this on his instagram story
(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts outright defend their homie or their actions.[close]Expand Quotematt finley just posted this on his instagram story
(https://i.imgur.com/FRaCbGs.png)[close][close]
Yikes
Ryan G rules and is absolutely caring
any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?He went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He will stand trial not sure when though
Are you trying to say that if I’m skateboarding on businesses property that the security guard can attack me without warning?
thats gotta suck rotting in county jailHe went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He will stand trial not sure when thoughExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
Boohoo. What has to really suck is having your head caved in. Fuck outta herethats gotta suck rotting in county jailExpand QuoteHe went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He will stand trial not sure when thoughExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close][close]
any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?
Expand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
(https://i.imgur.com/d67GKBS.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
(https://i.imgur.com/d67GKBS.jpg)[close]
I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.
what you don't think rotting in jail sucks?
While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
(https://i.imgur.com/d67GKBS.jpg)[close]
I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.
While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.
Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.Elaborate?
Elaborate?Expand QuoteSimilar charges almost got me significant time in prison.[close]
Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.Expand QuoteWhile I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.[close]
I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.
The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.
Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?
There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else that barely requires any thought at all.
Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)
While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
(https://i.imgur.com/d67GKBS.jpg)[close]
I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.[close]
Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.
Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.
How did you avoid it?Expand QuoteSimilar charges almost got me significant time in prison.[close]
Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison
I'm telling the county jail you have internet access, JesseHow did you avoid it?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSimilar charges almost got me significant time in prison.[close]
Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison[close]
How did you avoid it?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSimilar charges almost got me significant time in prison.[close]
Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison[close]
Expand QuoteHow did you avoid it?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSimilar charges almost got me significant time in prison.[close]
Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison[close][close]
My lawyer got me probation since it was my first serious offense
Edit : they also made me go to rehab
I know its a serious legal trouble post and i hope good and justice to the skateboarder but that was a 9 club joke lolI'm telling the county jail you have internet access, JesseExpand QuoteHow did you avoid it?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSimilar charges almost got me significant time in prison.[close]
Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison[close][close]
There’s very little precedent for a films executive producer being held accountable criminally(Midnight Rider), but producers get sued in civil cases when injuries happen during film productionExpand QuoteTony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.[close]
What kind of legal liability does a film producer have (Stephen McClintock has the same credit in the video)? Do you think Vitello's producer credit was legit or a symbolic credit (as a thank you)?
It'll be interesting what happens after the criminal trial wraps up and the civil trials begin.
The more I think it about it the more I think this could be an interesting situation for a mag to cover like a legit organization would cover a similar event. I mean having someone just report what happened in court would be interesting, and an interview with a lawyer who could explain what the hell is happening and could happen in the future would be awesome.
Has this been brought up? How and when was Jesse arrested? Was it on the spot or fleeing from it? Ratted out and took from his apartment via a warrant? Turn himself in? Weird 7 others got away who were also fighting but Jesse somehow the only one caught?
No way any skate media is gonna report on this. No one would benefit from it, just risk burning bridges. There isn't a news outlet in skateboarding, it's all jokes mixed with a few subtle redbull chugs.
Have any of the seven other guys been identified and charged with anything yet?
No way any skate media is gonna report on this. No one would benefit from it, just risk burning bridges. There isn't a news outlet in skateboarding, it's all jokes mixed with a few subtle redbull chugs.
They brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.
They brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.
Expand QuoteThey brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.[close]
You got a time stamp on when they discuss the incident? I've only skimmed through the Mid 90's once but your rehash of the 9 Club sounds like it could be in the Mid 90s script.
Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhile I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.[close]
I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.
The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.
Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?
There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else that barely requires any thought at all.
Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)[close]
Benjamin Deberdt and I have been considering writing an article about this on LIVE Skateboard Media with a link to the GoFundMe and all, but what's been holding us back so far is the lack of accurate information still. The news are still too fresh with updates on the situation every day, obviously what really matters in this case and should be written about is the end result and how the skaters fucked up and maybe criticism of the glorification of such behaviors by the mainstream industry but if you're going to present a 'recap' of what happened, which you have to in this case, it's tough to base one on online hearsay, even just in this thread people keep contradicting each other, I personally think this is serious and not the type of situation where it's acceptable to talk out of one's ass. I'm sure we aren't the only website watching the situation and waiting for enough facts to surface that we could then put together, too. Nobody gives a shit about the advertisers, Thrasher has to be the only entity whose people might reasonably be shitting their pants right now and they're a magazine, not an advertiser. Most of the advertising in skate media is shoe brands and I can't see any shoe brand directly linked to the event. Not backing Dan's cause would be terrible rep for any business right now, if anything.
Benjamin Deberdt and I have been considering writing an article about this on LIVE Skateboard Media with a link to the GoFundMe and all, but what's been holding us back so far is the lack of accurate information still. The news are still too fresh with updates on the situation every day, obviously what really matters in this case and should be written about is the end result and how the skaters fucked up and maybe criticism of the glorification of such behaviors by the mainstream industry but if you're going to present a 'recap' of what happened, which you have to in this case, it's tough to base one on online hearsay, even just in this thread people keep contradicting each other, I personally think this is serious and not the type of situation where it's acceptable to talk out of one's ass. I'm sure we aren't the only website watching the situation and waiting for enough facts to surface that we could then put together, too. Nobody gives a shit about the advertisers, Thrasher has to be the only entity whose people might reasonably be shitting their pants right now and they're a magazine, not an advertiser. Most of the advertising in skate media is shoe brands and I can't see any shoe brand directly linked to the event. Not backing Dan's cause would be terrible rep for any business right now, if anything.
Working with a filmer who they most likely have under contract? In the process of creating footage that will most likely be used on their website?Expand QuoteTony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhile I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.[close]
I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.
The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.
Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?
There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else that barely requires any thought at all.
Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)[close][close]
yall are reaching. Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime.
did I mean that in a supportive way of Jesse? FuckouttahereBoohoo. What has to really suck is having your head caved in. Fuck outta hereExpand Quotethats gotta suck rotting in county jailExpand QuoteHe went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He will stand trial not sure when thoughExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close][close][close]
Expand QuoteTony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhile I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.[close]
I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.
The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.
Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?
There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else that barely requires any thought at all.
Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)[close][close]
yall are reaching. Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime.
Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death
Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death
I think it's a step above or below 'bird law'.Expand QuoteBased off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death[close]
What's a skate lawyer exactly
I think it's a step above or below 'bird law'.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBased off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death[close]
What's a skate lawyer exactly[close]
Expand QuoteBased off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death[close]
What's a skate lawyer exactly
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBased off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death[close]
What's a skate lawyer exactly[close]
Fucking any of them dumbfuck.
Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth. No one here knows what actually happened.
all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments
EveryoneExpand Quoteall the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments[close]
They're only turned off for non-followers of the account
all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments
I've never seen someone go from hero to zero so fastcos they're a bunch of biatches. i know you see this gx fam.Expand Quoteall the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments[close]
can't believe that the 9 club had the balls to talk about this incident, while (most) other skate media is playing dumb. even if all the circumstances have not been clarified, skate media should put out a united message on not messing with security and simply leaving a spot
While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.
I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.
The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.
Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?
There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else that barely requires any thought at all.
Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)
Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.
yall are reaching. Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime
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I know this has been addressed already, but a competent lawyer could put together a civil case against GX1000, and perhaps even Thrasher. If one were to try and paint the picture of thrasher propagating this type of behavior they would have plenty of data. I can imagine it would be very easy to triangulate Vieira's actions, Thrashers agenda, and GX1000s involvement therein.
For the record, I'm being the devils advocate here for the sake of shedding light on the severity of this situation. I believe that Vieira ( and those who were immediately involved) are responsible for their own actions.
The guys' respective deals do not directly link their sponsors to the event in my opinion, plus I'm not sure they would ever want to be, and if any of them ever begs to differ then they better quickly feel concerned about the instantaneous backlash they would get if they ever tried getting in the way of Dan's cause. Profit over people is doomed to fail.
The lack of available information is what's been holding us back and why we haven't written anything, quite duly so. Just chiming in to state that 'skate media' cares about the issue more than what I see people assuming, it's just that said issue is particularly delicate.
We're probably just going to post the GoFundMe.
Expand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
(https://i.imgur.com/d67GKBS.jpg)
Shortly after the Black Rock incident, a jury found a skater in Redwood City guilty of an attack on a cop. He faces 20 years in prison. His sentencing is on the 15th of this month.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/03/man-guilty-in-2016-skateboard-attack-on-south-san-francisco-officer/
Expand QuoteThe guys' respective deals do not directly link their sponsors to the event in my opinion, plus I'm not sure they would ever want to be, and if any of them ever begs to differ then they better quickly feel concerned about the instantaneous backlash they would get if they ever tried getting in the way of Dan's cause. Profit over people is doomed to fail.
The lack of available information is what's been holding us back and why we haven't written anything, quite duly so. Just chiming in to state that 'skate media' cares about the issue more than what I see people assuming, it's just that said issue is particularly delicate.
We're probably just going to post the GoFundMe.[close]
If you are indeed writing about this then it is up to you to properly report on the subject at hand with proper journalist standards. That's going to take some actual reporting and interviewing of subjects related to the case that are less than inclined to give an interview regarding such a touchy subject. Being a skater and residing in the bay area will give you a huge leg up against traditional media with regards to getting proper sources and getting pertinent information that has not been previously reported on.
If you are afraid of potential confrontation associated to this story then just stick to hero worship and puff pieces of which almost all skate writers already write about.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
(https://i.imgur.com/d67GKBS.jpg)[close]
So what's the verdict? His trial started almost 2 hours ago.[close]
I went. It was really really short. Like 10 minutes. It was pretty much just his lawyer talking about arranging a discovery on the 17th of this month.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/discovery/
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe guys' respective deals do not directly link their sponsors to the event in my opinion, plus I'm not sure they would ever want to be, and if any of them ever begs to differ then they better quickly feel concerned about the instantaneous backlash they would get if they ever tried getting in the way of Dan's cause. Profit over people is doomed to fail.
The lack of available information is what's been holding us back and why we haven't written anything, quite duly so. Just chiming in to state that 'skate media' cares about the issue more than what I see people assuming, it's just that said issue is particularly delicate.
We're probably just going to post the GoFundMe.[close]
If you are indeed writing about this then it is up to you to properly report on the subject at hand with proper journalist standards. That's going to take some actual reporting and interviewing of subjects related to the case that are less than inclined to give an interview regarding such a touchy subject. Being a skater and residing in the bay area will give you a huge leg up against traditional media with regards to getting proper sources and getting pertinent information that has not been previously reported on.
If you are afraid of potential confrontation associated to this story then just stick to hero worship and puff pieces of which almost all skate writers already write about.[close]
Again and for the last time as people have also been PM'ing me about this (which I can understand as those are healthy concerns), we are not writing anything about the issue for we are well aware of our limitations (geographical, even). My original post really only meant to convey that 'skate media' actually gave a shit about this and that in a situation as serious as this one, advertisers shouldn't be a problem (unless you're Thrasher), as to cut the conspiracy theories I was seeing emerge; everybody is only being reasonable by not re-appropriating the case as one more opportunity to talk out of their asses, throw random names under the bus, pass online hearsay as facts and just generally not being pieces of shit. And again, if anything the GoFundMe really is the only thing that's useful to share.
I'm just confused as to what type of reaction some people are expecting from 'skate media' really. No one with proper education should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad. The real problem here is how entities such as Thrasher have been brandishing the polar opposite banner for decades now, glorifying being the caricature of an asshole to try to win the vulnerable, gullible youth's wallets over the disguise of a 'punk' edge when really, for at least a decade now they've been working hand in hand with the biggest and most disconnected brands in the world. Their model is outdated as fuck and this instance only proves it.
Noone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.
will this really make it to trial? wont there most likely be a plea deal?
The only thing I heard Jansen’s lawyer say was ‘this is a serious assault incident and we have multiple videos of it.’
QuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close]
Except, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.
Except, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close]
Jesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.Expand QuoteExcept, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close][close]
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-rap-is-from-the-streets-and-i-m-from-the-streets-that-s-why-a-lot-of-people-accept-me-vanilla-ice-99-52-22.jpg)Expand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.
Jesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExcept, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close][close]
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
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Expand QuoteJesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExcept, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close][close]
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
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Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.
But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).
I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.
Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExcept, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close][close]
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
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Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.
But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).
I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.
Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.[close]
What the fuck does "8 unpredictable young men" even mean, you're talking about people here, not wild animals, should every young guy be treated with caution?
The dude was doing his job, grabbing for a board after how the skaters were acting was completely legitimate, throwing a punch back while fully grown men are swarming around you to lay a hit sounds completely normal.
This thread is basically the reverse of people defending police brutality, violence is violence no matter who's conducting it, and I honestly don't see how snatching a board even remotely justifies being punched or trucksmashed in the head.
How did they pinpoint jesse? Somebody snitch on him?
Definitely doesn't warrant what ensued. Such an embarrassment.
Expand QuoteDefinitely doesn't warrant what ensued. Such an embarrassment.[close]
Hate to agree with Steezus Christ but he said 'you never know if it's self defense or 'it can be instinctual to use a board as weapon if it's already in your hand.'
It's just a freak accident. Remember that disturbing footage of a troublemaker pushing people off his skateboard and then jumping on a girl's car? Her bf steps to him and he hits the bf with the trucks 2 or 3 times. Was kind of a popularly shared video at one point. That guy walked away [albeit on wobbly doe legs] so it's not unreasonable to have expected Dan Jensen to get up afterwards. I'm keeping my damn hands to myself after this one.
What footage of it has come out so far? Just those clips on that newscast?
9 Club Experience with sKate Moss the instagram model.Expand QuoteHate to agree with Steezus Christ but he said 'you never know if it's self defense or 'it can be instinctual to use a board as weapon if it's already in your hand.'
It's just a freak accident. Remember that disturbing footage of a troublemaker pushing people off his skateboard and then jumping on a girl's car? Her bf steps to him and he hits the bf with the trucks 2 or 3 times. Was kind of a popularly shared video at one point. That guy walked away [albeit on wobbly doe legs] so it's not unreasonable to have expected Dan Jensen to get up afterwards. I'm keeping my damn hands to myself after this one.[close]
Which Nine Club episode did they cover this topic?
They was fighting security in the Polar video and ya'll didn't get this feisty thenIt's all fun and games until somebody looses their skull.
They was fighting security in the Polar video and ya'll didn't get this feisty then
They was fighting security in the Polar video and ya'll didn't get this feisty thenDid they bash someone's head in where part of his skull and brain were removed and he can no longer remember who his family is?
Hate to agree with Steezus Christ but he said 'you never know if it's self defense or 'it can be instinctual to use a board as weapon if it's already in your hand.'
It's just a freak accident. Remember that disturbing footage of a troublemaker pushing people off his skateboard and then jumping on a girl's car? Her bf steps to him and he hits the bf with the trucks 2 or 3 times. Was kind of a popularly shared video at one point. That guy walked away [albeit on wobbly doe legs] so it's not unreasonable to have expected Dan Jensen to get up afterwards. I'm keeping my damn hands to myself after this one.
Expand QuoteHate to agree with Steezus Christ but he said 'you never know if it's self defense or 'it can be instinctual to use a board as weapon if it's already in your hand.'
It's just a freak accident. Remember that disturbing footage of a troublemaker pushing people off his skateboard and then jumping on a girl's car? Her bf steps to him and he hits the bf with the trucks 2 or 3 times. Was kind of a popularly shared video at one point. That guy walked away [albeit on wobbly doe legs] so it's not unreasonable to have expected Dan Jensen to get up afterwards. I'm keeping my damn hands to myself after this one.[close]
You and "zteezys christ" are wrong in this case. Saying anything that even remotely sounds like you are defending GX's actions is ignorant.
I'm not justifying but if you push a man holding a knife, you can't be shocked if he stabs you. Dudes shouldn't have hit him with the skateboard but if it was in his hand, it may have been instinctual and it took the likes of Steezy Christ to tell it to yall, you know nothings
You are a dick.
Expand QuoteHate to agree with Steezus Christ but he said 'you never know if it's self defense or 'it can be instinctual to use a board as weapon if it's already in your hand.'
It's just a freak accident. Remember that disturbing footage of a troublemaker pushing people off his skateboard and then jumping on a girl's car? Her bf steps to him and he hits the bf with the trucks 2 or 3 times. Was kind of a popularly shared video at one point. That guy walked away [albeit on wobbly doe legs] so it's not unreasonable to have expected Dan Jensen to get up afterwards. I'm keeping my damn hands to myself after this one.[close]
You and "zteezys christ" are wrong in this case. Saying anything that even remotely sounds like you are defending GX's actions is ignorant.
Seriously, he's paid to get skaters and trespassers to leave the property. I doubt cops are responding quickly. And, I doubt anythig close to this happening has happened in his 10 years working Black Rock. I'm sure he asked/told them a bunch of times before he resorted to grabbing one of their boards (which I wouldn't call aggression). So, trying to grab the board from one person still skating the spot, makes it an attack on 8 people?Expand QuoteJesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExcept, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close][close]
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
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Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.
But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).
I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.
Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.
Seriously, he's paid to get skaters and trespassers to leave the property. I doubt cops are responding quickly. And, I doubt anythig close to this happening has happened in his 10 years working Black Rock. I'm sure he asked/told them a bunch of times before he resorted to grabbing one of their boards (which I wouldn't call aggression). So, trying to grab the board from one person still skating the spot, makes it an attack on 8 people?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExcept, in this case, it pretty easily was.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteQuoteExpand QuoteNoone with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.[close][close]
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.[close][close]
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
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Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.
But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).
I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.
Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.[close]
Out of everyone involved, he had by far the least amount of chance to change what happened. He was there doing his job, the skaters could have left to one other spot. They live in the area, this isn't like they were in a spot for one day trying to get one trick at a specific spot (not that, that would excuse what happened).
GX1000 or at least Jesse Vieira and the other dudes are 100% in the wrong. And, trying to defend it by saying "well he grabbed their board" as the first act of aggression is ridiculous. If grabbing property is the first act of aggression in your eyes, isn't moving the barricades he's trying to put up qualify long before he grabbed a board?
Did they bash someone's head in where part of his skull and brain were removed and he can no longer remember who his family is?Expand QuoteThey was fighting security in the Polar video and ya'll didn't get this feisty then[close]
Hitting someone with a board usually doesn't do a ton of damage, unlike a baseball bat
lol its just funny that this guys job was as simple as guarding a place and he couldn't even do it right, good thing this guy wasn't a cab driver he might have ran over 30 people before crashing head first into the steeling wheel.Expand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
Glad you're getting a laugh out of this, you piece of garbage.
when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.
when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.
Expand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
Glad you're getting a laugh out of this, you piece of garbage.
Expand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.
also, anyone got a link to the security camera footage?? seems it was taken down a few days ago during jesse's trial, cant find it anywhere
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies
Fuck GX. Fucking with homeowners/security is part of the schtick they market. I'm sure they escalated shit to the next level because they camera was out.
I loved the vids but in hindsight the popularity of the vids no doubt enabled the next level bullshit behavior.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)
Come on ya'll, GX didn't start the fire. Good fight circa 2:20 that owes more to Jim Greco's hijinks than GX and precedes it by 10 yrs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X66lRZ97XHw
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)[close]
You are right, I don't know the whole story, only the people there know. Just not a good look with everyone rushing in.. ultimately the poor security guy is the one who got fucked up.
From the security footage it looked to me like a few of the runners in were coming in as combatants but I could be wrong..
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)[close]
It was 0 on 1. It was one guy attacking somebody who should not have been attacked. It was 7 other individuals facilitating said attack. It was a young man punching a 60 year old man in the face while he was on the ground. You are an ignorant fool, and if that weren't the case, Vieira would not be sitting in jail. You live in a fantasy world where double standards ( like being entitled enough to move barriers, then paralyze somebody moving your skateboard) are ok. One that propagates regression i.e dumbass sayings like "it sure ain't like it used to be". I've been skateboarding for 16 years and never felt the need to smash a security guard in the face with my skateboard. Keep defending pieces of shit that feel otherwise. I pity you.
the standards for butthurt keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.
Expand Quotethe standards for butthurt keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.[close]
because comparing this scenario to a serial killer/rapist totally isnt drastic ::) ::)
I play with my own shit and try to mold it into dinosaur shapes.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)[close]
It was 0 on 1. It was one guy attacking somebody who should not have been attacked. It was 7 other individuals facilitating said attack. It was a young man punching a 60 year old man in the face while he was on the ground. You are an ignorant fool, and if that weren't the case, Vieira would not be sitting in jail. You live in a fantasy world where double standards ( like being entitled enough to move barriers, then paralyze somebody moving your skateboard) are ok. One that propagates regression i.e dumbass sayings like "it sure ain't like it used to be". I've been skateboarding for 16 years and never felt the need to smash a security guard in the face with my skateboard. Keep defending pieces of shit that feel otherwise. I pity you.[close]
why you so mad dawg? when i said "it sure aint like it used to be", i was referring to the slap forums.. it used to be void of overly sensitive folks like you and chuckramone. thanks for the pity tho, fool 8)
and as i told others, you dont know what happened... as you weren't there. i never said what vieira did was right or wrong. not once. that'll be decided in court. not by you, and not by me. but i can assure you they didn't hit the guy with a skateboard, and i can assure you most of his head injuries are due to him slamming his head off the ground like the 10/10 security guard he was. god forbid somebody tries robbing the place, he sure as hell isn't gonna be much of an issue. his head injury wasnt because of any of their punches and was not because of some madeup shit of them beating him with a skateboard. stay angry tho
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethe standards for butthurt keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.[close]
because comparing this scenario to a serial killer/rapist totally isnt drastic ::) ::)[close]
you’re saying people are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being into punching dudes just to skate a spot. that’s drastic.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe standards for butthurt keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.[close]
because comparing this scenario to a serial killer/rapist totally isnt drastic ::) ::)[close]
you’re saying people are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being into punching dudes just to skate a spot. that’s drastic.[close]
you dont have a fetish for punching dudes to skate? right on, thats EXACTLY what i was saying ::)
im saying some of yall are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being capable of having a rational discussion about this, without making up shit about them beating him with the skateboard, realizing you don't know the whole story, and realizing this is absolutely nothing new and that vieira isnt the first one to ever punch a security guard. dude knocked himself out hitting the ground. sorry not sorry. :-\
if you're too old to fight.. dont be a security guard.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe standards for butthurt keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.[close]
because comparing this scenario to a serial killer/rapist totally isnt drastic ::) ::)[close]
you’re saying people are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being into punching dudes just to skate a spot. that’s drastic.[close]
you dont have a fetish for punching dudes to skate? right on, thats EXACTLY what i was saying ::)
im saying some of yall are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being capable of having a rational discussion about this, without making up shit about them beating him with the skateboard, realizing you don't know the whole story, and realizing this is absolutely nothing new and that vieira isnt the first one to ever punch a security guard. dude knocked himself out hitting the ground. sorry not sorry. :-\
if you're too old to fight.. dont be a security guard.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe standards for butthurt keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.[close]
because comparing this scenario to a serial killer/rapist totally isnt drastic ::) ::)[close]
you’re saying people are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being into punching dudes just to skate a spot. that’s drastic.[close]
you dont have a fetish for punching dudes to skate? right on, thats EXACTLY what i was saying ::)
im saying some of yall are butthurt/overly sensitive for not being capable of having a rational discussion about this, without making up shit about them beating him with the skateboard, realizing you don't know the whole story, and realizing this is absolutely nothing new and that vieira isnt the first one to ever punch a security guard. dude knocked himself out hitting the ground. sorry not sorry. :-\
if you're too old to fight.. dont be a security guard.[close][close]
Dudes incredibly fuckin stoops[close]
Judging by his gratuitous use of emoji's, he's probably 13-14.
Anyone remember when Skunk hit the security guy with his board? That didn't end well.
when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
the standards for overly sensitive keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.Major resume of the post
Major resume of the postExpand Quotethe standards for overly sensitive keep getting lower. soon it’ll be if you don’t like ted bundy you’re a butthurt poosey.[close]
What does “major resume” mean
Lieutenant job application reporting for duty
My two favourite lines ever are Gino in trilogy and Julien Stranger in skypager both at black rock. What is done is unfortunately done but this spot will always remind me of how shit people can act. I'm sure the involved skaters will always regret over reacting so badly just to get a clip. They have ruined someone's life and effected this man's family and friends for ever.. get well Dan. [quote/]
Gino doesn’t skate Black Rock in Trilogy. What line are you talking about?
What if he was an SS officer who escaped to the US and is living in the Bay under a false name?Well he still deserves his day in court. Vigilante justice is uncalled for, no matter what someone's accused of.
What if I told you Dan Jensen voted for Trump and used the 'n word' with an 'r' at the end. Would this change things.
What if I told you Dan Jensen voted for Trump and used the 'n word' with an 'r' at the end. Would this change things.
halpmeimbleddin has to be the most stupid piece of shit ever to comment on slap.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)[close]
It was 0 on 1. It was one guy attacking somebody who should not have been attacked. It was 7 other individuals facilitating said attack. It was a young man punching a 60 year old man in the face while he was on the ground. You are an ignorant fool, and if that weren't the case, Vieira would not be sitting in jail. You live in a fantasy world where double standards ( like being entitled enough to move barriers, then paralyze somebody moving your skateboard) are ok. One that propagates regression i.e dumbass sayings like "it sure ain't like it used to be". I've been skateboarding for 16 years and never felt the need to smash a security guard in the face with my skateboard. Keep defending pieces of shit that feel otherwise. I pity you.[close]
why you so mad dawg? when i said "it sure aint like it used to be", i was referring to the slap forums.. it used to be void of overly sensitive folks like you and chuckramone. thanks for the pity tho, fool 8)
and as i told others, you dont know what happened... as you weren't there. i never said what vieira did was right or wrong. not once. that'll be decided in court. not by you, and not by me. but i can assure you they didn't hit the guy with a skateboard, and i can assure you most of his head injuries are due to him slamming his head off the ground like the 10/10 security guard he was. god forbid somebody tries robbing the place, he sure as hell isn't gonna be much of an issue. his head injury wasnt because of any of their punches and was not because of some madeup shit of them beating him with a skateboard. stay angry tho
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotewhen did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?
i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.
there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.
guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.[close]
What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now[close]
not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.[close]
I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies[close]
again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)[close]
It was 0 on 1. It was one guy attacking somebody who should not have been attacked. It was 7 other individuals facilitating said attack. It was a young man punching a 60 year old man in the face while he was on the ground. You are an ignorant fool, and if that weren't the case, Vieira would not be sitting in jail. You live in a fantasy world where double standards ( like being entitled enough to move barriers, then paralyze somebody moving your skateboard) are ok. One that propagates regression i.e dumbass sayings like "it sure ain't like it used to be". I've been skateboarding for 16 years and never felt the need to smash a security guard in the face with my skateboard. Keep defending pieces of shit that feel otherwise. I pity you.[close]
why you so mad dawg? when i said "it sure aint like it used to be", i was referring to the slap forums.. it used to be void of overly sensitive folks like you and chuckramone. thanks for the pity tho, fool 8)
and as i told others, you dont know what happened... as you weren't there. i never said what vieira did was right or wrong. not once. that'll be decided in court. not by you, and not by me. but i can assure you they didn't hit the guy with a skateboard, and i can assure you most of his head injuries are due to him slamming his head off the ground like the 10/10 security guard he was. god forbid somebody tries robbing the place, he sure as hell isn't gonna be much of an issue. his head injury wasnt because of any of their punches and was not because of some madeup shit of them beating him with a skateboard. stay angry tho[close]
The Old Gray Mare she ain't what she used to be...
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Expand QuoteWhat if I told you Dan Jensen voted for Trump and used the 'n word' with an 'r' at the end. Would this change things.[close]
Forget the 'N' word, the voting for Trump thing is all it would take guaranteed for the lot of you unprincipled slap posters. If Jensen had pro-Trump shit on his IG they'd be wishing his death and praising Jesse/GX. You fucks would be going back to get your donation money back in a heartbeat.
Expand QuoteWhat if I told you Dan Jensen voted for Trump and used the 'n word' with an 'r' at the end. Would this change things.[close]
Forget the 'N' word, the voting for Trump thing is all it would take guaranteed for the lot of you unprincipled slap posters. If Jensen had pro-Trump shit on his IG they'd be wishing his death and praising Jesse/GX. You fucks would be going back to get your donation money back in a heartbeat.
Fuck you. This doesn’t need to be politicized.
If a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?Bro no that’s not murder but hitting a person when they are unconscious is attempted murder and you best believe that’s what they are gonna try and get him on
I respect your authority bro but nobody hit him after he was unconscious. Go to the tape and you'll see. The man who hit him on the floor just pissed him off then he got up and was knocked out. That is when the rats scurried off from the sinking ship of Black Rock.Bro no that’s not murder but hitting a person when they are unconscious is attempted murder and you best believe that’s what they are gonna try and get him onExpand QuoteIf a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?[close]
I feel bad for Dan and his family but he's an idiot and a terrible security guard. It was a freak accident, that's all.If you punch the person and hit them when they are down, that's pretty easily manslaughter if the person died.
The skaters are obviously at fault for not leaving.
All Dan had to do was call the cops as soon as it was clear they weren't leaving. What the fuck is an old security guard gonna do against 8 grown men wielding skateboards? He decided to get up and start punching dudes instead of going back inside the building to call the cops. What exactly did he think was gonna happen? Things like this happen all the time without serious injuries. What made him fall and hit his head? A punch? a push? He could have just as easily slipped while trying to get up.
If a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?
Do you guys think GX1000 will recover from this and keep releasing footage or is this a Daryl Angel situation?
If you punch the person and hit them when they are down, that's pretty easily manslaughter if the person died.Expand QuoteI feel bad for Dan and his family but he's an idiot and a terrible security guard. It was a freak accident, that's all.
The skaters are obviously at fault for not leaving.
All Dan had to do was call the cops as soon as it was clear they weren't leaving. What the fuck is an old security guard gonna do against 8 grown men wielding skateboards? He decided to get up and start punching dudes instead of going back inside the building to call the cops. What exactly did he think was gonna happen? Things like this happen all the time without serious injuries. What made him fall and hit his head? A punch? a push? He could have just as easily slipped while trying to get up.
If a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?
Do you guys think GX1000 will recover from this and keep releasing footage or is this a Daryl Angel situation?[close]
Just because these "things happen" without serious injuries, doesn't make it a valid excuse when someone does get seriously injured when it does happen. People drive drunk all the time and don't kill or hurt anyone. That doesn't make it a valid excuse when their actions lead to death.
Bro I must be tripping I thought I saw footage where he hit the security guard one last time when he was out cold... my bad bro for playing lawyerI respect your authority bro but nobody hit him after he was unconscious. Go to the tape and you'll see. The man who hit him on the floor just pissed him off then he got up and was knocked out. That is when the rats scurried off from the sinking ship of Black Rock.Expand QuoteBro no that’s not murder but hitting a person when they are unconscious is attempted murder and you best believe that’s what they are gonna try and get him onExpand QuoteIf a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?[close][close]
He fell due to trying to get skateboarders to leave a property they were trespassing on while trying to defend himself. This isn't like he walked by and slipped just walking by them. Without the skater's actions, this confrontation never happens, he never gets brain damage.Expand QuoteIf you punch the person and hit them when they are down, that's pretty easily manslaughter if the person died.Expand QuoteI feel bad for Dan and his family but he's an idiot and a terrible security guard. It was a freak accident, that's all.
The skaters are obviously at fault for not leaving.
All Dan had to do was call the cops as soon as it was clear they weren't leaving. What the fuck is an old security guard gonna do against 8 grown men wielding skateboards? He decided to get up and start punching dudes instead of going back inside the building to call the cops. What exactly did he think was gonna happen? Things like this happen all the time without serious injuries. What made him fall and hit his head? A punch? a push? He could have just as easily slipped while trying to get up.
If a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?
Do you guys think GX1000 will recover from this and keep releasing footage or is this a Daryl Angel situation?[close]
Just because these "things happen" without serious injuries, doesn't make it a valid excuse when someone does get seriously injured when it does happen. People drive drunk all the time and don't kill or hurt anyone. That doesn't make it a valid excuse when their actions lead to death.[close]
It wasn't the punch that made him hit his head though. I doubt the GX footage will be made public but we'll find out what happened soon enough.
I feel bad for Dan and his family but he's an idiot and a terrible security guard. It was a freak accident, that's all.
I'm not justifying but if you push a man holding a knife, you can't be shocked if he stabs you.I'm not justifying it but if you tempt a man with a cock, you can't be shocked if he rapes you :-*
I'm not justifying it but if you tempt a man with a cock, you can't be shocked if he rapes you :-*Expand QuoteI'm not justifying but if you push a man holding a knife, you can't be shocked if he stabs you.[close]
Expand QuoteI feel bad for Dan and his family but he's an idiot and a terrible security guard. It was a freak accident, that's all.[close]
If he was a terrible security guard then how did he manage to hold down his job for 10 years?
it also shows how toxic masculinity and jock behavior is still internalized in skateboarding no matter how much skaters try to distance themselves from jocks and brotypes.
Bro no that’s not murder but hitting a person when they are unconscious is attempted murder and you best believe that’s what they are gonna try and get him onExpand QuoteIf a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?[close]
Bro I must be tripping I thought I saw footage where he hit the security guard one last time when he was out cold... my bad bro for playing lawyerExpand QuoteI respect your authority bro but nobody hit him after he was unconscious. Go to the tape and you'll see. The man who hit him on the floor just pissed him off then he got up and was knocked out. That is when the rats scurried off from the sinking ship of Black Rock.Expand QuoteBro no that’s not murder but hitting a person when they are unconscious is attempted murder and you best believe that’s what they are gonna try and get him onExpand QuoteIf a security guard tries to yank your board and you let go and he falls and hits his head is it murder?[close][close][close]
You fools know you're arguing with fucking sharktits again right
Where is the link to the video clip? I can't dig through 31 pages of you guys going back and forth farting in each other's faces.
no matter how that shit happened, the gx dudes should have at least called an ambulance when all that happened. what a poosey move. no sympathies for the perpetrator(s). always imagine that the victim could be a loved one. if dan jensen was your dad or friend you wouldn't defend anyone who did this, no matter how much he sucks at his job or how stupid you think his choice of profession is. he is missing a third of his skull now. anyways, someone will go to jail for this. jesse vieira just ruined this man's and his own life. gx is probably dead now, some of these dudes must be traumatized and guilt ridden. black rock is probably unskatable from now on i assume. that's a whole lot of bad outcomes that won't go away no matter how all the suddenly registered defender accounts in this thread try to spin it.QuoteExpand Quoteit also shows how toxic masculinity and jock behavior is still internalized in skateboarding no matter how much skaters try to distance themselves from jocks and brotypes.[close]
Expand QuoteWhere is the link to the video clip? I can't dig through 31 pages of you guys going back and forth farting in each other's faces.[close]
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Skateboard-Attack-Leaves-San-Francisco-Security-Guard-With-Brain-Damage-503888341.html
I got some free time since its raining in the bay area, and work is slow....you pals think this thread is worth reading all 30+pages
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat if I told you Dan Jensen voted for Trump and used the 'n word' with an 'r' at the end. Would this change things.[close]
Forget the 'N' word, the voting for Trump thing is all it would take guaranteed for the lot of you unprincipled slap posters. If Jensen had pro-Trump shit on his IG they'd be wishing his death and praising Jesse/GX. You fucks would be going back to get your donation money back in a heartbeat.[close]
Voting for / backing trump just makes you an idiot. Not deserving of not being able to recognize your family because someone hit you in the head when you were knocked down. There is a big difference. There are a lot of awful people in the world today that many, even the liberals you’ve got such a hate boner for, would argue deserve what Dan Jansen got and worse (one non-partisan based example - https://wgntv.com/2019/01/08/wisconsin-babysitter-allegedly-returned-dead-baby-to-mother-after-disguising-him-to-look-alive/amp/) and you’re gonna tell me that the people that donated their money because they felt bad that someone was essentially robbed of their life would take it back if we knew he voted for the other guy?
I donated. I wouldn’t vote for Trump.
Since you’re so feeling so impassioned, did you donate?
Fuck you. This doesn’t need to be politicized.
Fuck security guards.
Thanks for the spot broExpand QuoteFuck security guards.[close]
Only if it’s consensual! ☝️
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteany update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond. i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?[close]
next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.
anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/ (http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/)
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So what's the verdict? His trial started almost 2 hours ago.[close]
I went. It was really really short. Like 10 minutes. It was pretty much just his lawyer talking about arranging a discovery on the 17th of this month.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/discovery/
A dumping ground for emotional problems.Expand QuoteWhat the fuck is this thread now...[close]
I just spoke to Dan Jansen’s family and I can safely say I will never support anything from GX ever again.
I just spoke to Dan Jansen’s family and I can safely say I will never support anything from GX ever again.
Expand QuoteI just spoke to Dan Jansen’s family and I can safely say I will never support anything from GX ever again.[close]
will you elaborate?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just spoke to Dan Jansen’s family and I can safely say I will never support anything from GX ever again.[close]
will you elaborate?[close]
Sure. I talked to three family members after the hearing this morning.
Not only do some members of gx like bashing an old guy for doing his job and leaving him for dead, but they also like threatening members of the victim’s family. They’ve called the family ‘kooks’ and have tried to intimidate them by getting up close and personal.
Anyone defending these pieces of shit are delusional.Who threatened and what kind of threats were they?
Jesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.
Expand QuoteWho threatened and what kind of threats were they?Expand QuoteAnyone defending these pieces of shit are delusional.
Jesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.[close][close]
I didn’t go into names and I’m sure the woman couldn’t tell you the names either, but she said they made the family super uncomfortable by ‘getting up too close’. I don’t know when that happened, it wasn’t today because no one from gx was there for Jesse this morning.
Edit: maybe threaten is too harsh, but this is how they’re going about it.
Jesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWho threatened and what kind of threats were they?Expand QuoteJesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.[close][close]
I didn’t go into names and I’m sure the woman couldn’t tell you the names either, but she said they made the family super uncomfortable by ‘getting up too close’. I don’t know when that happened, it wasn’t today because no one from gx was there for Jesse this morning.
Edit: maybe threaten is too harsh, but this is how they’re going about it.[close]
when did they interact with the family?[close]
I didn’t ask. I assume it was at another hearing? I don’t know man.
Jesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.
i'm guessing dan's family must have a very negative opinion of skateboarders.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.[close]
How is Dan doing? When you posted earlier I immediately assumed that it might be some news about his condition. I never imagined the GX1000 dudes would do that. That crew is out of control, fuck them. I hope nothing else happens to someone else while they're out "skateboarding"....[close]
The family compared his development to that of a 2 year old. They said the way they’re interacting with him right now is through lots of games.
Not only is he mentally suffering, but there is a lot of physical stuff going on. Possibly muscle atrophy? I didn’t go too deep, I wanted to keep it respectful.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.[close]
appreciate what you're doing, clamy. slap daring to venture where skate media won't.
based on their interactions with the gx crew, i'm guessing dan's family must have a very negative opinion of skateboarders. i'm curious, is his family aware of the words of sympathy and monetary contributions that have been made to dan's gofundme by a number of skateboarders?
you mentioned that "no one from gx was there for Jesse this morning." aside from his attorney, does jesse have anyone in his corner? any family members? although what has transpired is terrible, it saddens me to think that jesse has been abandoned by his loved ones.[close]
I mentioned how the editor of TWS (deadhippie) shared the story and the go fund me. One mentioned how she was starting to see that skateboarding has a community and culture. The family felt sympathetic to everyone in involved. They were very easy to talk to, were happy that people were discussing it and were aware that this thread existed.
There were lots of people in the room, I don’t know how many were there for Jesse. At least two people up the front. I also don’t know the turn out for the other hearings.
Ok we get it . The dude is fucked for life . That sucks. No doubt about it. What do you get out of this though? Why keep focusing on this? What good comes out of your slap message board posts about an event that you where not actually at?
This is a terrible thing that happened to Dan, but if you have ever been in a fight this could of been you, the guy in the hospital or the guy on trial. If you have never hit someone or taken a beating well good for you. But I would think most people have thrown a punch or two. Get off your high horse or be thankful you didn’t connect like you wanted to. Bunch of baby’s on here. I’m 43 so maybe I grew up In a different time but fighting happened. I’m not a tough guy, just a regular dude living in the city and occasionally getting in some brawls . I’m thankful I never hurt someone severely like this. But I threw a brick at a guys head once and his ducking skills probably saved me 20 years Locked up. I just think this was a mistake and it could happen to anyone in a fight.
Where did you grow up Crack? Your moms house? I grew up in the streets buddy, bricks got thrown, no gunfire was a peaceful night. I’m not proud of any of it. Violence sucks. But some of us are Born into This.
Where did you grow up Crack? Your moms house? I grew up in the streets buddy, bricks got thrown, no gunfire was a peaceful night. I’m not proud of any of it. Violence sucks. But some of us are Born into This.
most people didn't throw bricks either...
can the throwing bricks and fists tough guys shut up please ?Ok I’ll be quite quiet starting..damn my foot hurts so much.,,NOW!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse has another hearing on the 25th of this month. It’s a preliminary hearing.
I talked with the family for a good 15 minutes. Feel free to ask any other questions and I’ll try answer the best I can.[close]
appreciate what you're doing, clamy. slap daring to venture where skate media won't.
based on their interactions with the gx crew, i'm guessing dan's family must have a very negative opinion of skateboarders. i'm curious, is his family aware of the words of sympathy and monetary contributions that have been made to dan's gofundme by a number of skateboarders?
you mentioned that "no one from gx was there for Jesse this morning." aside from his attorney, does jesse have anyone in his corner? any family members? although what has transpired is terrible, it saddens me to think that jesse has been abandoned by his loved ones.[close]
I mentioned how the editor of TWS (deadhippie) shared the story and the go fund me. One mentioned how she was starting to see that skateboarding has a community and culture. The family felt sympathetic to everyone in involved. They were very easy to talk to, were happy that people were discussing it and were aware that this thread existed.
There were lots of people in the room, I don’t know how many were there for Jesse. At least two people up the front. I also don’t know the turn out for the other hearings.
One of the Magnises/FYRE Guys is wearing a GX shirt in the interviews for the Netflix FYRE doc
Expand QuoteOne of the Magnises/FYRE Guys is wearing a GX shirt in the interviews for the Netflix FYRE doc[close]
came here to post this, hahaha
should have been wearing a helmet.haha damn.
should have been wearing a helmet.
This is a terrible thing that happened to Dan, but if you have ever been in a fight this could of been you, the guy in the hospital or the guy on trial. If you have never hit someone or taken a beating well good for you. But I would think most people have thrown a punch or two. Get off your high horse or be thankful you didn’t connect like you wanted to. Bunch of baby’s on here. I’m 43 so maybe I grew up In a different time but fighting happened. I’m not a tough guy, just a regular dude living in the city and occasionally getting in some brawls . I’m thankful I never hurt someone severely like this. But I threw a brick at a guys head once and his ducking skills probably saved me 20 years Locked up. I just think this was a mistake and it could happen to anyone in a fight.
Expand QuoteThis is a terrible thing that happened to Dan, but if you have ever been in a fight this could of been you, the guy in the hospital or the guy on trial. If you have never hit someone or taken a beating well good for you. But I would think most people have thrown a punch or two. Get off your high horse or be thankful you didn’t connect like you wanted to. Bunch of baby’s on here. I’m 43 so maybe I grew up In a different time but fighting happened. I’m not a tough guy, just a regular dude living in the city and occasionally getting in some brawls . I’m thankful I never hurt someone severely like this. But I threw a brick at a guys head once and his ducking skills probably saved me 20 years Locked up. I just think this was a mistake and it could happen to anyone in a fight.[close]
43, has gotten into brawls, and has thrown a brick at someone's head.
What a great guy! 👏
Expand QuoteWhere did you grow up Crack? Your moms house? I grew up in the streets buddy, bricks got thrown, no gunfire was a peaceful night. I’m not proud of any of it. Violence sucks. But some of us are Born into This.[close]
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http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzfQ_Fdmx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=qy7d3lu4pay4
Motherfucking bump
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzfQ_Fdmx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=qy7d3lu4pay4
Except this time, Jerry spent $60Expand QuoteMotherfucking bump
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzfQ_Fdmx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=qy7d3lu4pay4[close]
Jerry Gurney at it again?
Motherfucking bumpDoing a good job drinking all that water, congrats.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzfQ_Fdmx/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=qy7d3lu4pay4
Like those idiots that were burning their nikes. THEY ALREADY GOT YOUR MONEY FOO.
Now you need a video burning the money that you could've given to GX for their product. That'll really show themExpand QuoteLike those idiots that were burning their nikes. THEY ALREADY GOT YOUR MONEY FOO.[close]
I bought this before reading this entire thread.
Lol keep kooking me you skate outlaws.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzpBeFIy4/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=cojv99uzupa5
too dangerous to take this bold stance on your real instagram huh
I'll never understand these types of protests. If you can even call it that. Burn your Nike's and piss on your board.
Should just burn themselves then try pissing on themselves to put it out. They bought the shit. Should have known better. Full circle. Dumb cunts.
oh yeah man, you're definitely going viral with this one bro, at least as much as Nate Sherwood when he set those Airspeeds on fire once and those hadn't even brained a person, I hope your new edgy IG redirects to the GoFundMe when it never takes off
Expand QuoteI'll never understand these types of protests. If you can even call it that. Burn your Nike's and piss on your board.
Should just burn themselves then try pissing on themselves to put it out. They bought the shit. Should have known better. Full circle. Dumb cunts.[close]
i just dont want to skate a board i’m not stoked on at all. And boredom, but it wasn’t worth the effort to spray
Expand Quoteoh yeah man, you're definitely going viral with this one bro, at least as much as Nate Sherwood when he set those Airspeeds on fire once and those hadn't even brained a person, I hope your new edgy IG redirects to the GoFundMe when it never takes off[close]
you’re totally right. i was a bit iffy on the first two posts to be honest. i’ll just leave you with this one where i was trying to be sincere okay? bye.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzu_hFs3j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xrq9slvwcaqu
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteoh yeah man, you're definitely going viral with this one bro, at least as much as Nate Sherwood when he set those Airspeeds on fire once and those hadn't even brained a person, I hope your new edgy IG redirects to the GoFundMe when it never takes off[close]
you’re totally right. i was a bit iffy on the first two posts to be honest. i’ll just leave you with this one where i was trying to be sincere okay? bye.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtHzu_hFs3j/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xrq9slvwcaqu[close]
the new caption makes the intent behind your post a whole lot clearer and less self-absorbed now, especially as you included the link to the campaign. you still bought the board but if you didn't know any better when you did that's forgiveable. sorry if my tone kind of fucked with you
should have spraypainted that deck and given it to a kid maybe. would have came out as an even more constructive initiative but i guess it's a bit late now
Any update on the shit that matters?
I hope if I ever get my head beat in that people with make stupid jokes and piss on shit.
Well you can go fuck yourself
Don't shoot the messenger, but there's now a Jesse Vieira GoFundMe, incase you'd rather donate to him than the security guard missing half his head
https://www.gofundme.com/jessevieiralegalfees
I mean did you see how that guy was laying there?SkateboardingSKATEBOARDERS really makes me sick sometimes.
Expand QuoteI mean did you see how that guy was laying there?SkateboardingSKATEBOARDERS"kind, humble, gentle, passionate men" really make me sick sometimes.[close]
There’s a bunch of dudes I know posting the go fund me on ig. I replied to the one saying “dude leaves another man mentally regular on the sidewalk and you’re trying to raise money for him” his response “that’s my mans idc” fucking idiot.Tell them to insta-detox their accounts
Edit: dude just told me I sound like a hater and called me “a whole fed”
There’s a bunch of dudes I know posting the go fund me on ig. I replied to the one saying “dude leaves another man mentally regular on the sidewalk and you’re trying to raise money for him” his response “that’s my mans idc” fucking idiot.
Edit: dude just told me I sound like a hater and called me “a whole fed”
Well you can go fund yourself(https://media1.tenor.com/images/af56411b2ba82a98464be7f381d54cac/tenor.gif?itemid=4610854)
Expand QuoteI mean did you see how that guy was laying there?SkateboardingSKATEBOARDERS really makes me sick sometimes.[close]
There’s a bunch of dudes I know posting the go fund me on ig. I replied to the one saying “dude leaves another man mentally regular on the sidewalk and you’re trying to raise money for him” his response “that’s my mans idc” fucking idiot.
Edit: dude just told me I sound like a hater and called me “a whole fed”
Semi-OT but if anyone doesn't wanna watch the GX vid anymore because of all this shit, the Stay Awaysted video is pretty muchthe same exact thingBETTER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXMSpBtjoKo
Expand QuoteThere’s a bunch of dudes I know posting the go fund me on ig. I replied to the one saying “dude leaves another man mentally regular on the sidewalk and you’re trying to raise money for him” his response “that’s my mans idc” fucking idiot.
Edit: dude just told me I sound like a hater and called me “a whole fed”[close]
yo, call them out here.
Don't shoot the messenger, but there's now a Jesse Vieira GoFundMe, incase you'd rather donate to him than the security guard missing half his head
https://www.gofundme.com/jessevieiralegalfees
Well, seems we have a new top dog for worst skate related go-fund-me. Most of them are comical and fun to laugh at. I do get his need and desperation for a good lawyer, I just can't believe anyone who isn't his friend (who he could probably reach out to in a less public sphere) would donate to this.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtReDv7hSfp/
anyone cop screen shots of the gofundme? my friend told me it said he was a "kind and humble guy" in the description
Expand Quoteanyone cop screen shots of the gofundme? my friend told me it said he was a "kind and humble guy" in the description[close]
For what that's worth, IIRC it specifically said something about Jesse being "involved in an unfortunate accident", [not verbatim] of which of course he might not have been the only victim but yeah, he's totally a rad dude etc.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteanyone cop screen shots of the gofundme? my friend told me it said he was a "kind and humble guy" in the description[close]
For what that's worth, IIRC it specifically said something about Jesse being "involved in an unfortunate accident", [not verbatim] of which of course he might not have been the only victim but yeah, he's totally a rad dude etc.[close]
i know its just semantics but i think they used the term incident and not accident
Jesse made a terrible mistake but this situation seems more like a horrible accident rather then the attempted murder many of you are making it out to seem. I don't think there was any intent from the gx crew to put this guy in a coma or even physically harm him for that matter. And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before. Either way, absolutely horrible situation all around and I hope he'll regain some function and be able to continue living life.
Expand QuoteJesse made a terrible mistake but this situation seems more like a horrible accident rather then the attempted murder many of you are making it out to seem. I don't think there was any intent from the gx crew to put this guy in a coma or even physically harm him for that matter. And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before. Either way, absolutely horrible situation all around and I hope he'll regain some function and be able to continue living life.[close]
lmao what the fuck
Expand QuoteJesse made a terrible mistake but this situation seems more like a horrible accident rather then the attempted murder many of you are making it out to seem. I don't think there was any intent from the gx crew to put this guy in a coma or even physically harm him for that matter. And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before. Either way, absolutely horrible situation all around and I hope he'll regain some function and be able to continue living life.[close]
lmao what the fuck
Did you know that if you, say, attack somebody and punch them in the face or hit them with a weapon and they fall down and die, you can get into trouble even if you didn't hit them with the explicit intent to kill them?
Oh, unfair world!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse made a terrible mistake but this situation seems more like a horrible accident rather then the attempted murder many of you are making it out to seem. I don't think there was any intent from the gx crew to put this guy in a coma or even physically harm him for that matter. And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before. Either way, absolutely horrible situation all around and I hope he'll regain some function and be able to continue living life.[close]
lmao what the fuck[close]
Bad wording on my part. I was more referring to the situation of dealing with a group of skaters rather than the actual assault. That's a pretty popular spot so I assumed he had interacted with skaters before but I don't knowExpand QuoteDid you know that if you, say, attack somebody and punch them in the face or hit them with a weapon and they fall down and die, you can get into trouble even if you didn't hit them with the explicit intent to kill them?
Oh, unfair world![close]
I never said Jesse should not be held responsible, his actions ruined a mans life and he should go to jail. But the lack of explicit of intent does impact how I perceive him as a person. He's a guy who made a terrible mistake and will have to live with it for the rest of his life, but I don't think he's irredeemable. I feel sympathy for him the same way I do for Cory Kennedy, and I don't think that's unreasonable but I understand why people would feel the other way.
I guess I'm just not enough of a fan to have read it - I saw "insta-detox" and figured that was the end of it. Doesn't exactly look like the lap of luxury, but I'm sure it's better than a cell.Expand Quotedid you really not see the Brian Delatorre post a page back?[close]
Exactly . Bunch a plebs on keyboards .Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJesse made a terrible mistake but this situation seems more like a horrible accident rather then the attempted murder many of you are making it out to seem. I don't think there was any intent from the gx crew to put this guy in a coma or even physically harm him for that matter. And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before. Either way, absolutely horrible situation all around and I hope he'll regain some function and be able to continue living life.[close]
lmao what the fuck[close]
Bad wording on my part. I was more referring to the situation of dealing with a group of skaters rather than the actual assault. That's a pretty popular spot so I assumed he had interacted with skaters before but I don't knowExpand QuoteDid you know that if you, say, attack somebody and punch them in the face or hit them with a weapon and they fall down and die, you can get into trouble even if you didn't hit them with the explicit intent to kill them?
Oh, unfair world![close]
I never said Jesse should not be held responsible, his actions ruined a mans life and he should go to jail. But the lack of explicit of intent does impact how I perceive him as a person. He's a guy who made a terrible mistake and will have to live with it for the rest of his life, but I don't think he's irredeemable. I feel sympathy for him the same way I do for Cory Kennedy, and I don't think that's unreasonable but I understand why people would feel the other way.[close]
Quite logical in my opinion. This thread has turned into an echo chamber, anything or anyone who says anything contrary to the narrative of “Jesse and gx are pieces of shit and should rot for making a poor guy almost dead” are instantly bombarded with replies about how they should be ashamed for thinking anything to the contrary of the narrative.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BtReDv7hSfp/[close]
Did he disable comments on that? Softie.
Did you know that if you, say, attack somebody and punch them in the face or hit them with a weapon and they fall down and die, you can get into trouble even if you didn't hit them with the explicit intent to kill them?Like things involving bricks maybe?
Oh, unfair world!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BtReDv7hSfp/[close]
Did he disable comments on that? Softie.[close]
it wasn’t disabled at first. Someone must have ruffled his feathers, I figured a graffiti dude would enjoy the controversy he’d stir up with that, but alas soft.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BtReDv7hSfp/[close]
Did he disable comments on that? Softie.[close]
it wasn’t disabled at first. Someone must have ruffled his feathers, I figured a graffiti dude would enjoy the controversy he’d stir up with that, but alas soft.[close]
Yeah, guess he wasn't down for people to comment. He's a legit graffiti writer though. He's also involved with everyones favorite brand, Pizza Skateboards.
There is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.
i dont think its that weird that delatorre went to turkey. seems like hes on a regular skate trip, not trying to flee the country to escape a crime. he may have even spoken to the cops already, who knows
Expand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.
Earlier on this thread some person actually said that it wasn’t Jesse that knocked Dan out, it was the ground he hit that done it. I was genuinely in a state of disbelief when I read that. No matter what any of these hardcore “core” skate rats say, there is no way out of this for Jesse, he will rightfully go to prison for the vicious assault he committed.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.[close]
Railroading is the extreme and I shouldn’t have said that but my point still stands that getting the best representation isn’t cheap and it sucks when someone could end up doing more time simply because they couldn’t afford better council.
By no means do I think these guys should get off with little consequence and there is a huge middle ground between getting off lightly and going to prison for a super long time.
Expand QuoteEarlier on this thread some person actually said that it wasn’t Jesse that knocked Dan out, it was the ground he hit that done it. I was genuinely in a state of disbelief when I read that. No matter what any of these hardcore “core” skate rats say, there is no way out of this for Jesse, he will rightfully go to prison for the vicious assault he committed.[close]
Even worse was someone saying it was the guards fault for not being able to take a punch and falling wrong. Those people are the ones that are being lambasted for supporting him.
Expand Quotei dont think its that weird that delatorre went to turkey. seems like hes on a regular skate trip, not trying to flee the country to escape a crime. he may have even spoken to the cops already, who knows[close]
Not defending Dela or anything either but he also had an art show or something in Japan a couple weeks ago
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.[close]
Railroading is the extreme and I shouldn’t have said that but my point still stands that getting the best representation isn’t cheap and it sucks when someone could end up doing more time simply because they couldn’t afford better council.
By no means do I think these guys should get off with little consequence and there is a huge middle ground between getting off lightly and going to prison for a super long time.[close]
I do think it's fair to keep in mind that the prosecution would have unlimited resources to get the maximum possible penalty and with a public defender it's sort of a get what ya get situation. If Jesse can't pay his lawyer he'll likely wind up going the PD route. The Gofundme didn't bug because having equally matched legal teams can mean the difference between years and decades in jail. Whoever hurt Dan should do some time but I don't think they should necessarily spend most of their life in prison.
Municipal and State DA's don't have unlimited funds. He's not getting tried by the Federal government.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.[close]
Railroading is the extreme and I shouldn’t have said that but my point still stands that getting the best representation isn’t cheap and it sucks when someone could end up doing more time simply because they couldn’t afford better council.
By no means do I think these guys should get off with little consequence and there is a huge middle ground between getting off lightly and going to prison for a super long time.[close]
I do think it's fair to keep in mind that the prosecution would have unlimited resources to get the maximum possible penalty and with a public defender it's sort of a get what ya get situation. If Jesse can't pay his lawyer he'll likely wind up going the PD route. The Gofundme didn't bug because having equally matched legal teams can mean the difference between years and decades in jail. Whoever hurt Dan should do some time but I don't think they should necessarily spend most of their life in prison.
Municipal and State DA's don't have unlimited funds. He's not getting tried by the Federal government.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.[close]
Railroading is the extreme and I shouldn’t have said that but my point still stands that getting the best representation isn’t cheap and it sucks when someone could end up doing more time simply because they couldn’t afford better council.
By no means do I think these guys should get off with little consequence and there is a huge middle ground between getting off lightly and going to prison for a super long time.[close]
I do think it's fair to keep in mind that the prosecution would have unlimited resources to get the maximum possible penalty and with a public defender it's sort of a get what ya get situation. If Jesse can't pay his lawyer he'll likely wind up going the PD route. The Gofundme didn't bug because having equally matched legal teams can mean the difference between years and decades in jail. Whoever hurt Dan should do some time but I don't think they should necessarily spend most of their life in prison.[close]
He won't get restitution from them. They'll all go into personal bankruptcy (which will be crippling for them, but he won't get money for the likely medical care he'll need). Outside of maybe Dellatorre, I don't think these guys are likely to have much in the way of personal assets. They are all pretty much flow or on small brands. I'm sure any lawyer the family retains will be looking at bigger companies they could potentially link to being liable (I'm looking at you Tony Vitello and Thrasher). They aren't getting a payday off of these GX1000 guys.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.[close]
Railroading is the extreme and I shouldn’t have said that but my point still stands that getting the best representation isn’t cheap and it sucks when someone could end up doing more time simply because they couldn’t afford better council.
By no means do I think these guys should get off with little consequence and there is a huge middle ground between getting off lightly and going to prison for a super long time.[close]
I do think it's fair to keep in mind that the prosecution would have unlimited resources to get the maximum possible penalty and with a public defender it's sort of a get what ya get situation. If Jesse can't pay his lawyer he'll likely wind up going the PD route. The Gofundme didn't bug because having equally matched legal teams can mean the difference between years and decades in jail. Whoever hurt Dan should do some time but I don't think they should necessarily spend most of their life in prison.[close]
i also think, pending the results of a civil suit, it could be better for Dan for his assaulters to do less time so that they could get to restitution quicker.
Semi-OT but if anyone doesn't wanna watch the GX vid anymore because of all this shit, the Stay Awaysted video is pretty much the same exact thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXMSpBtjoKo
Expand QuoteSemi-OT but if anyone doesn't wanna watch the GX vid anymore because of all this shit, the Stay Awaysted video is pretty much the same exact thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXMSpBtjoKo[close]
The guys roof at the start. 18.30...I stopped watching then. Seems like the same kind of cunts without so many hill rollaways, and cautious editing perchance?
Expand QuoteExpand Quotei dont think its that weird that delatorre went to turkey. seems like hes on a regular skate trip, not trying to flee the country to escape a crime. he may have even spoken to the cops already, who knows[close]
Not defending Dela or anything either but he also had an art show or something in Japan a couple weeks ago[close]
It’s a little silly to think that guy is on the run. I’m sure he’s no Mensa candidate, but from what I gather, people on the run from the law tend to not broadcast their location to the world via Facebook.
Did you know that if you, say, attack somebody and punch them in the face or hit them with a weapon and they fall down and die, you can get into trouble even if you didn't hit them with the explicit intent to kill them?
Oh, unfair world!
He won't get restitution from them. They'll all go into personal bankruptcy (which will be crippling for them, but he won't get money for the likely medical care he'll need). Outside of maybe Dellatorre, I don't think these guys are likely to have much in the way of personal assets. They are all pretty much flow or on small brands. I'm sure any lawyer the family retains will be looking at bigger companies they could potentially link to being liable (I'm looking at you Tony Vitello and Thrasher). They aren't getting a payday off of these GX1000 guys.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThere is a difference between supporting jesse and suggesting he did nothing wrong or that it’s somehow the security guards fault for not being able to take a punch. People are only going after the defenders saying ridiculous things.
Outside of being written in poor taste I dont have a problem with him having a gofundme for legal fees. Regardless of what ultimately happened that day everyone deserves a good defense and that shit don’t come cheap. Dan and his family are fucked up forever and I hope the guys that did it are held responsible but it doesn’t mean any of the defendants should be railroaded simply because they can’t afford a good legal team.
What a shitty country we live in.[close]
Railroaded implies that he could get a raw deal due to a incompetent defense. If indeed he’s guilty of what looks to be a completely unjustified and brutal assault, it’s a pretty crazy assertion that he could be railroaded by the justice system. In that case, he’s pretty deserving of the jail time he’d likely get.
Only way to get railroaded on trial where some guy essentially lost his life, is if the prosecution plays dirty, which it doesn’t look like they’re going to have to here considering there’s conclusive evidence of a brutal assault.[close]
Railroading is the extreme and I shouldn’t have said that but my point still stands that getting the best representation isn’t cheap and it sucks when someone could end up doing more time simply because they couldn’t afford better council.
By no means do I think these guys should get off with little consequence and there is a huge middle ground between getting off lightly and going to prison for a super long time.[close]
I do think it's fair to keep in mind that the prosecution would have unlimited resources to get the maximum possible penalty and with a public defender it's sort of a get what ya get situation. If Jesse can't pay his lawyer he'll likely wind up going the PD route. The Gofundme didn't bug because having equally matched legal teams can mean the difference between years and decades in jail. Whoever hurt Dan should do some time but I don't think they should necessarily spend most of their life in prison.[close]
i also think, pending the results of a civil suit, it could be better for Dan for his assaulters to do less time so that they could get to restitution quicker.[close]
New fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."
New fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."
New fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."
Expand QuoteNew fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."[close]
this one started by his GF...you pals think she'll stick by him if he looses and serves time
yeah I don’t think any amount of money is gonna help this kid. Unless he hires Johnny cochran to do the Wookie defense.
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Anyone else wonder if the Lennie Kirk rail is cursed?
Who else has skated it and what bad thing has happened to them?
Expand QuoteAnyone else wonder if the Lennie Kirk rail is cursed?
Who else has skated it and what bad thing has happened to them?[close]
bam margera. enough said.
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Expand QuoteNew fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."[close]
this one started by his GF...you pals think she'll stick by him if he looses and serves time
New fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteEarlier on this thread some person actually said that it wasn’t Jesse that knocked Dan out, it was the ground he hit that done it. I was genuinely in a state of disbelief when I read that. No matter what any of these hardcore “core” skate rats say, there is no way out of this for Jesse, he will rightfully go to prison for the vicious assault he committed.[close]
Even worse was someone saying it was the guards fault for not being able to take a punch and falling wrong. Those people are the ones that are being lambasted for supporting him.[close]
"Your honor, my client did not murder this man - he simply pushed him off of a 12 story building. Your beef is with the concrete below it, not with him."
Im sorry, but throwing around accusations abundantly doesn't produce validity. Jesse did not use his board, nobody did. Dan, the security guard, never entered a coma. Additionally, he was not struck by anyone or anything while down. There are two sides to every story people. Everyone feels bad about the condition Dan is now in. May he heal with ease.
Expand QuoteAnyone else wonder if the Lennie Kirk rail is cursed?
Who else has skated it and what bad thing has happened to them?[close]
bam margera. enough said.
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As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone else wonder if the Lennie Kirk rail is cursed?
Who else has skated it and what bad thing has happened to them?[close]
bam margera. enough said.
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Wow. Rail fully on cursed immediately rendering all skaters of luck.
Any others hit it?
Expand QuoteIm sorry, but throwing around accusations abundantly doesn't produce validity. Jesse did not use his board, nobody did. Dan, the security guard, never entered a coma. Additionally, he was not struck by anyone or anything while down. There are two sides to every story people. Everyone feels bad about the condition Dan is now in. May he heal with ease.[close]
Video shows him lying motionless on his back and one of those kooks runs up and punches his unconscious face. Also he fell on the back of his head, but the truck dent is in the FRONT of his head. Fuck a security guard but that video is cut and dry... He didn't deserve that. They skate all around him like a swarm, move the gates, and all pounce him. Watch it again and I'm sure SF skaters are happy one of their most iconic spots thats been skated for over 20 years is going to be an instant bust forever now.
Im sorry, but throwing around accusations abundantly doesn't produce validity. Jesse did not use his board, nobody did. Dan, the security guard, never entered a coma. Additionally, he was not struck by anyone or anything while down. There are two sides to every story people. Everyone feels bad about the condition Dan is now in. May he heal with ease.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIm sorry, but throwing around accusations abundantly doesn't produce validity. Jesse did not use his board, nobody did. Dan, the security guard, never entered a coma. Additionally, he was not struck by anyone or anything while down. There are two sides to every story people. Everyone feels bad about the condition Dan is now in. May he heal with ease.[close]
Video shows him lying motionless on his back and one of those kooks runs up and punches his unconscious face. Also he fell on the back of his head, but the truck dent is in the FRONT of his head. Fuck a security guard but that video is cut and dry... He didn't deserve that. They skate all around him like a swarm, move the gates, and all pounce him. Watch it again and I'm sure SF skaters are happy one of their most iconic spots thats been skated for over 20 years is going to be an instant bust forever now.[close]
Do you live in a cartoon world where peoples heads are made out of empty beer cans? The doctors removed part of his skull to relieve the swelling of his brain. Did I miss something? Why is everyone saying he got his head caved in by a skateboard?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIm sorry, but throwing around accusations abundantly doesn't produce validity. Jesse did not use his board, nobody did. Dan, the security guard, never entered a coma. Additionally, he was not struck by anyone or anything while down. There are two sides to every story people. Everyone feels bad about the condition Dan is now in. May he heal with ease.[close]
Video shows him lying motionless on his back and one of those kooks runs up and punches his unconscious face. Also he fell on the back of his head, but the truck dent is in the FRONT of his head. Fuck a security guard but that video is cut and dry... He didn't deserve that. They skate all around him like a swarm, move the gates, and all pounce him. Watch it again and I'm sure SF skaters are happy one of their most iconic spots thats been skated for over 20 years is going to be an instant bust forever now.[close]
Do you live in a cartoon world where peoples heads are made out of empty beer cans? The doctors removed part of his skull to relieve the swelling of his brain. Did I miss something? Why is everyone saying he got his head caved in by a skateboard?
Because most of the people that haven't shut up about this on this thread are actual fucking idiots .Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIm sorry, but throwing around accusations abundantly doesn't produce validity. Jesse did not use his board, nobody did. Dan, the security guard, never entered a coma. Additionally, he was not struck by anyone or anything while down. There are two sides to every story people. Everyone feels bad about the condition Dan is now in. May he heal with ease.[close]
Video shows him lying motionless on his back and one of those kooks runs up and punches his unconscious face. Also he fell on the back of his head, but the truck dent is in the FRONT of his head. Fuck a security guard but that video is cut and dry... He didn't deserve that. They skate all around him like a swarm, move the gates, and all pounce him. Watch it again and I'm sure SF skaters are happy one of their most iconic spots thats been skated for over 20 years is going to be an instant bust forever now.[close]
Do you live in a cartoon world where peoples heads are made out of empty beer cans? The doctors removed part of his skull to relieve the swelling of his brain. Did I miss something? Why is everyone saying he got his head caved in by a skateboard?
As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.
At the initial hearing in early January, the presiding judge ordered Vieira held without bail. His charges are assault with a deadly weapon, assault with force likely to commit great bodily injury, and battery with serious bodily injury.
The judge added that Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”
In the meantime Brian Delatorre's "Insta-detox" has nothing to do with him being a suspect in an assault.
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did you just come out of a coma?Expand QuoteAs someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.[close]
Don’t you mean the VX footage?
did you just come out of a coma?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAs someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.[close]
Don’t you mean the VX footage?[close]
Expand QuoteIn the meantime Brian Delatorre's "Insta-detox" has nothing to do with him being a suspect in an assault.
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Didn't intend to suggest that Delatorre was on the lam. I thought the idea of his IG "detox" was ludicrous. He isn't detoxing IG, he is avoiding IG because he is afraid to be called out. POOSEY.
holy shit you are stupid, good luckExpand Quotedid you just come out of a coma?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAs someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.[close]
Don’t you mean the VX footage?[close][close]
Did you? Because clearly you couldn’t catch this mans joke.
Jessie going to prison almost seems like it’s a 97% done deal based on everything in thread. after he does I’m sure there will be wild conspiracy theories that sprout about how it’s all about SF trying to eradicate skateboarders and culture. Phelps would back this dude. He’s best friends with a woman beater and associates with some dildo that would bend over and take it from Hitler because white power. Crazy how a lot of people in the industry just tolerate people like this just to be “cool” “core” or “down”.
As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.
can someone give me a reason why anyone would give money to jesse vieira?
And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before.
So jesse is still the only one who has been charged?So far
Expand Quotecan someone give me a reason why anyone would give money to jesse vieira?[close]
Belief in our judicial system and his right to defend himself in a fair trial?
Guys I think we are missing the bigger picture here.
This is a terrible situation all around and one that is a direct result of a long standing culture within skateboarding of glorying drug and alcohol abuse as well as violence and criminal behavior. This sort of jackass attitude does nothing but paint skateboarding in a bad light.
Looking at this trend it was only a matter of time until someone innocent got hurt. Sponsors and pro skaters have only themselves to blame in this situation. I might be in the minority but I can't stand any skate video where it's all about drugs, goofing around and pissing people off.
I want to see the best skaters in the world skating, not drinking beer or throwing shit at one and other. FFS what are we, 5 years old?
I started skating in the 80's and I strongly believe skateboarding has its roots deeply embedded in counter culture and that's a good thing, skateboarding should be about freedom and exploration and absolutely to an extent breaking the rules, skating street spots etc.
But when skaters just comes across like a bunch of thugs, fighting, knocking passers by over and in general just behaving like scum, that's what they become, scum.
Skateboarding needs to take a stand and look itself in the mirror. I work for Red Bull as a filmer / photographer and I can honestly say that more and more corporate sponsors will not stand for this. One can complain that Nike etc is ruining skateboarding, but maybe a somewhat cleaner image is exactly what skateboarding needs to move forward. I'm not saying no to rebellion and counter culture, just criminal and childish behavior.
With regards to the SF incident it is a tragedy all around. Dan has has his and his family's life changed forever and skateboarding is right to reach out and offer condolences and financial support.
However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.
How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.
Yes Jesse f..... up, as did the whole crew that was with him, but he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture and all the people that's been supporting that culture are turning their backs.
Jesse needs the support of the community now more than ever and I call hypocrite on most people who are slagging him off. I'm not defending what they did and they should absolutely pay for it, but I see this as an opportunity for skateboarding to come together and move forward to a better place.
you sound like the type of parent that blamed videogames or marylin manson when columbine happened.Hilarious, if you read what I said you'd realise that's not the point all.
Haha what a douche that skateforever guy is.
Expand QuoteGuys I think we are missing the bigger picture here.
This is a terrible situation all around and one that is a direct result of a long standing culture within skateboarding of glorying drug and alcohol abuse as well as violence and criminal behavior. This sort of jackass attitude does nothing but paint skateboarding in a bad light.
Looking at this trend it was only a matter of time until someone innocent got hurt. Sponsors and pro skaters have only themselves to blame in this situation. I might be in the minority but I can't stand any skate video where it's all about drugs, goofing around and pissing people off.
I want to see the best skaters in the world skating, not drinking beer or throwing shit at one and other. FFS what are we, 5 years old?
I started skating in the 80's and I strongly believe skateboarding has its roots deeply embedded in counter culture and that's a good thing, skateboarding should be about freedom and exploration and absolutely to an extent breaking the rules, skating street spots etc.
But when skaters just comes across like a bunch of thugs, fighting, knocking passers by over and in general just behaving like scum, that's what they become, scum.
Skateboarding needs to take a stand and look itself in the mirror. I work for Red Bull as a filmer / photographer and I can honestly say that more and more corporate sponsors will not stand for this. One can complain that Nike etc is ruining skateboarding, but maybe a somewhat cleaner image is exactly what skateboarding needs to move forward. I'm not saying no to rebellion and counter culture, just criminal and childish behavior.
With regards to the SF incident it is a tragedy all around. Dan has has his and his family's life changed forever and skateboarding is right to reach out and offer condolences and financial support.
However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.
How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.
Yes Jesse f..... up, as did the whole crew that was with him, but he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture and all the people that's been supporting that culture are turning their backs.
Jesse needs the support of the community now more than ever and I call hypocrite on most people who are slagging him off. I'm not defending what they did and they should absolutely pay for it, but I see this as an opportunity for skateboarding to come together and move forward to a better place.[close]
Of course, virtuous corporations will save skateboarding!
Hilarious, if you read what I said you'd realise that's not the point all.Expand Quoteyou sound like the type of parent that blamed videogames or marylin manson when columbine happened.[close]
How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.
First of all a skateboard was never used on dan in this altercation...secondly it was his walkie talkie that was smashed next to his head on Dan’s first fall not a punch. Thirdly Jesse was not the initial instigator of the incident, take a closer look at video....1st skater-whom i wont name-back 50’s ledge almost into Dan. That started this shit. Now it was Jesse’s decision to throw the punch that caused Dan his injury but it was the first skater that now has to consistently think the carnage he created for Jesse, GX and Dan. Facts
watching the footage again i can now see that it does look more like a throwing motion than punching. not that it changes much in the big picture.
First of all a skateboard was never used on dan in this altercation...secondly it was his walkie talkie that was smashed next to his head on Dan’s first fall not a punch. Thirdly Jesse was not the initial instigator of the incident, take a closer look at video....1st skater-whom i wont name-back 50’s ledge almost into Dan. That started this shit. Now it was Jesse’s decision to throw the punch that caused Dan his injury but it was the first skater that now has to consistently think the carnage he created for Jesse, GX and Dan. Facts
However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.
How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.
he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture
Expand QuoteHowever you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.[close]
You actually have a very valid point here but in no way, shape or form can it be used to justify someone doing a stranger's head in (and not just in court) or else you could equally justify the incriminating actions of pretty much anybody behind bars and then it's the whole prison system you're questioning (why not, but not the time and place I don't think). Being weak enough to succumb to pop culture imagery (because that's what it is) and being irresponsible to actually go through with the act are two different things and a line it takes some issues to cross.Expand QuoteHow many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.[close]
I don't think you're being realistic thinking you're a minority for never having being able to stand that type of hi-jinx in skate videos, in reality a lot of people share your position, some always have (i.e. the piss drunk shit was disgusting to me back in the day) and maybe they actually represent the majority of people who've been calling Jesse out which would be entirely logical?Expand Quotehe is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture[close]
No man come on, he made himself that scapegoat. A horrible thing to do in the first place without a fucking question but also in this case, in selfish terms of personal rep, bad time and place. With the internet shit like this just can't go unnoticed anymore as much as it would back in the 90's when people were a lot more isolated and anonymous. Now one could argue about Big Brother shit having become real, the people watching and snitching on one another through screens etc. but that would be besides the point as the real question is, would you rather let such behaviors get unnoticed? Do you reckon society would be better without its modern sophistication and all its pros and cons including crimes slipping through the cracks?
edit - just saw the above posts so the following may be unnecessary now, but
Also I would encourage getyourfaxstraight and Jesse's crew to stop antagonizing SLAP as a whole and realize this is the place they can try and turn public opinion around if they think they have the elements it takes to do so and can expose some of them publicly at this point. This thread seems full of people who've not bothered reading up on more than its first few pages, when the news were still fresh and before everybody established no skateboards were used in the fight, etc. so they're bound to catch a wave of nonsense from these guys but if they have a different version they can share that would somehow justify the terrible behavior displayed on the security footage (which honestly looks completely unjustifiable, good luck) then here is the place to do so in a constructive manner as opposed to isolated IG posts that are only talk to your little crew, that will only fuel the division and you'll catch flack for. A lot of people in this thread were GX fans before this shit show and it's not their fault your fight was publicized, at all. But it was and now your followers only have footage of you displaying some disgusting behavior to go off one. If anything those 40 pages prove that really nobody ever wanted this shit, but now it's you guys' and nobody's going back, so if you have arguments you can legally make public or even obscure hints to elements missing to the public version of the story then maybe you should dare to try and bring them.
^^^^go back a re-read what i wrote. Never said Jesse was innocent, quite the opposite...but wanted the True facts to be here so he isnt painted as the monster he is here on this forum. 2 punches were thrown -the 1st by Dan and the 2nd by Jesse...jesse couldve ended up in Dans position...the cards were against Dan that day. Everyone involved lost huge here as does the city of San Francisco, the skaters who live there and this amazing skate spot
The level of entitlement is fucking crazy...I bet these kooks will still try and convince everyone that they did nothing wrong when homeboy Jesse is locked up.You obviously are not up to date in this situation
You obviously are not up to date in this situationExpand QuoteThe level of entitlement is fucking crazy...I bet these kooks will still try and convince everyone that they did nothing wrong when homeboy Jesse is locked up.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNew fundraiser - https://gogetfunding.com/jessevieiralegalfees/
"In addition, I would like to thank those that attempted to contributed on gofundme.com. Unfortunately, that platform didn't work out; people who contributed there are getting their money refunded. Thank you again."[close]
this one started by his GF...you pals think she'll stick by him if he looses and serves time[close]
Awwww why’d you do that lady!?
^^^no he is pretty much fckd in this situation....I only brought to light the facts so that the majority of you will give jesse a bit of a break in the harsh words being spoken about him by none of you who even know him. This absolutely was a freak accident in which he did not intend for dan to recieve the results he was given. The back 50’r was punched in the face by Dan and Dan then threw his board into the street which heightened everyones reactionsI don't see a board getting thrown into the street or him throwing the first punch in the extended security footage that was on the NBC news twitter. It appears he grabs the guys board after he continued to skate the ledges and move the barricades.
Not directly, but pretty much connected.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtWGOB4gJuC/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=9mpihujfidzz
When I was a little shit bag, I would of never dream of pushing over a old dude like that even if he was trying to grab my board.
Fuck this entitled mentality.
Also I hope things work out for Jesse the best they can, it is all pretty fucked though.
This kid and CK need to be photoshopped into the Two Felons shop photo.
First of all a skateboard was never used on dan in this altercation...secondly it was his walkie talkie that was smashed next to his head on Dan’s first fall not a punch. Thirdly Jesse was not the initial instigator of the incident, take a closer look at video....1st skater-whom i wont name-back 50’s ledge almost into Dan. That started this shit. Now it was Jesse’s decision to throw the punch that caused Dan his injury but it was the first skater that now has to consistently think the carnage he created for Jesse, GX and Dan. Facts
Expand QuoteThis kid and CK need to be photoshopped into the Two Felons shop photo.[close]
Fuck that why do people keep comparing Cory. THAT was an accident, GX loves violence.
And where are Jesse's boys on the wanted poster? They gonna let him take the fall for all of them.
As for those little fucks on that IG post, my girls daughter is in high school, acting like those kids are the new thing. "Savages" is what they claim
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis kid and CK need to be photoshopped into the Two Felons shop photo.[close]
Fuck that why do people keep comparing Cory. THAT was an accident, GX loves violence.
And where are Jesse's boys on the wanted poster? They gonna let him take the fall for all of them.
As for those little fucks on that IG post, my girls daughter is in high school, acting like those kids are the new thing. "Savages" is what they claim[close]
Drinking and driving is no accident...but IMO CK1 situation was more tragic.
Jesse's boys probably dont want any of that SF DA smoke...so yea they probably are gonna
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Not directly, but pretty much connected.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis kid and CK need to be photoshopped into the Two Felons shop photo.[close]
Fuck that why do people keep comparing Cory. THAT was an accident, GX loves violence.
And where are Jesse's boys on the wanted poster? They gonna let him take the fall for all of them.
As for those little fucks on that IG post, my girls daughter is in high school, acting like those kids are the new thing. "Savages" is what they claim[close]
Drinking and driving is no accident...but IMO CK1 situation was more tragic.
Jesse's boys probably dont want any of that SF DA smoke...so yea they probably are gonna
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I guess Cory's situation will always be as controversial but didn't he barely drink over a beer? Not wearing his seatbelt is what I thought I read biggest factor was in Preston's death
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFirst of all a skateboard was never used on dan in this altercation...secondly it was his walkie talkie that was smashed next to his head on Dan’s first fall not a punch. Thirdly Jesse was not the initial instigator of the incident, take a closer look at video....1st skater-whom i wont name-back 50’s ledge almost into Dan. That started this shit. Now it was Jesse’s decision to throw the punch that caused Dan his injury but it was the first skater that now has to consistently think the carnage he created for Jesse, GX and Dan. Facts[close]
If he's so innocent take that HD footage to the prosecutor ASAP. Out of 8 no one saying shit. Either they're scared or just letting their boy take the fall, or both[close]
Whats make you think GX hasnt submitted his footage already?? Again I never once said Jesse was innocent. All of these guys are close friends, nobody is letting jesse take the fall. It was his decision to punch Dan. This was a terrible accident...nobody wins here.
Any news on how the security guard is doing? is there a fundraiser for the guy?
I think it was .10, but he also had weed in his system (no idea from how far back) and was driving recklessly. It really sucks for Cory, and P-Stone not wearing a seatbelt likely didn't help (but it looks like the passenger side went right into the tree).Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThis kid and CK need to be photoshopped into the Two Felons shop photo.[close]
Fuck that why do people keep comparing Cory. THAT was an accident, GX loves violence.
And where are Jesse's boys on the wanted poster? They gonna let him take the fall for all of them.
As for those little fucks on that IG post, my girls daughter is in high school, acting like those kids are the new thing. "Savages" is what they claim[close]
Drinking and driving is no accident...but IMO CK1 situation was more tragic.
Jesse's boys probably dont want any of that SF DA smoke...so yea they probably are gonna
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mR9dWo88e5jFe/giphy.gif)[close]
I guess Cory's situation will always be as controversial but didn't he barely drink over a beer? Not wearing his seatbelt is what I thought I read biggest factor was in Preston's death[close]
Don’t know this detail...just heard they were all drinking before ...What was his Blood alcohol level
The only footage that I have seen is from here (https://mobile.twitter.com/nbcjeanelle/status/1081003009847418882) on Twitter.
Is there more footage of the altercation that is available to the public that I'm not aware of? If so, please share it.
Expand QuoteThe only footage that I have seen is from here (https://mobile.twitter.com/nbcjeanelle/status/1081003009847418882) on Twitter.
Is there more footage of the altercation that is available to the public that I'm not aware of? If so, please share it.[close]
it hasn’t been released yet
And we are back to victim blaming. Smhblack and white thinking must be so blissful
And we are back to victim blaming. Smh
Expand QuoteAnd we are back to victim blaming. Smh[close]
Where do you see victim blaming in my post?
As far as I can see, Dan picks up the board and grabs a hold of someone's arm that is standing on the ledge and forcefully pulls them down. Then the fight breaks out.
So saying that the fight was instigated by anyone other than the security guard is complete bullshit. I could care less who disagrees. He didn't need to assert his authority by getting physical.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd we are back to victim blaming. Smh[close]
Where do you see victim blaming in my post?[close]Expand QuoteAs far as I can see, Dan picks up the board and grabs a hold of someone's arm that is standing on the ledge and forcefully pulls them down. Then the fight breaks out.
So saying that the fight was instigated by anyone other than the security guard is complete bullshit. I could care less who disagrees. He didn't need to assert his authority by getting physical.[close]
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Hi my name is Allison Alhadas, I am Jesse's girlfriend, Jesse's family and I have set up a place for crowdfunding to assist Jesse in his legal expenses. All of the donations will go directly to Jesse's legal fees. In advance, I would like to thank everyone who is supportive of Jesse during this difficult time.
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It'd be ironic ifa car turned one of his boys into a vegetable during one of those hill bombsit rained on your wedding day.
Expand QuoteIt'd be ironic ifa car turned one of his boys into a vegetable during one of those hill bombsit rained on your wedding day.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd we are back to victim blaming. Smh[close]
Where do you see victim blaming in my post?[close]Expand QuoteAs far as I can see, Dan picks up the board and grabs a hold of someone's arm that is standing on the ledge and forcefully pulls them down. Then the fight breaks out.
So saying that the fight was instigated by anyone other than the security guard is complete bullshit. I could care less who disagrees. He didn't need to assert his authority by getting physical.[close]
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Nice try, but still doesn't convince me that I was blaming the victim. If it has to be explained to you, victim blaming would be an innocent person walking down the street and getting jumped then saying "They should have known not to walk down that street".
Pull your heads out of your ass.
This man made more money off a go fund me for almost killing some one then he did off royaltiesI was going to tell you that they deleted his GoFundMe and he got nothing from it, but I searched and they set up another fundraiser on a different site.
Delatorre is still out of the country huh?It's called an insta-detox! And yes, he's having one, to answer your question
Here is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.
Here is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.
Say we didn’t come fight and leave with ShalomExpand QuoteHere is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.[close]
That would be ideal.
Here's another theoretical situation for you:
A skater is skating with his friends and a security guard grabs him by the arm and rips him off a ledge and starts a physical confrontation with him. What then?
Say we didn’t come fight and leave with ShalomExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.[close]
That would be ideal.
Here's another theoretical situation for you:
A skater is skating with his friends and a security guard grabs him by the arm and rips him off a ledge and starts a physical confrontation with him. What then?[close]
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22
Say we didn’t come fight and leave with ShalomExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.[close]
That would be ideal.
Here's another theoretical situation for you:
A skater is skating with his friends and a security guard grabs him by the arm and rips him off a ledge and starts a physical confrontation with him. What then?[close]
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Not sure how familiar you are with the judicial system. But this actually happens a lot. Both sides are legally allowed a certain amount of continuances for discoveries and such.
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet
Yeah, the dude who couldn't walk away and escalated the situation. I don't see why the concept of responsibility is so hard to grasp.Expand QuoteSay we didn’t come fight and leave with ShalomExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.[close]
That would be ideal.
Here's another theoretical situation for you:
A skater is skating with his friends and a security guard grabs him by the arm and rips him off a ledge and starts a physical confrontation with him. What then?[close][close]
I actually agree with this premise 100%. But everyone has their bad days and can't always walk away. Then bad shit happens and only one person is held responsible.
Yeah, the dude who couldn't walk away while leaving a sincere shalom and escalated the situation. I don't see why the concept of responsibility is so hard to grasp.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSay we didn’t come fight and leave with ShalomExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.[close]
That would be ideal.
Here's another theoretical situation for you:
A skater is skating with his friends and a security guard grabs him by the arm and rips him off a ledge and starts a physical confrontation with him. What then?[close][close]
I actually agree with this premise 100%. But everyone has their bad days and can't always walk away. Then bad shit happens and only one person is held responsible.[close]
He's in lock up, not prison, you've seen a few too many movies about how that shit works. He's in unit with a bunch of other people awaiting trial, probably stupid drug charges, dwi's, and small theft type shit, not bunch of hardened dudes with 45 years left to go.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/f5YOi6f.jpg)
had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Homie might feel tough on the streets, but he's a full on twink in the joint. For sure that ass is getting stretched nightly. When keeping it real goes wrong...
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Homie might feel tough on the streets, but he's a full on twink in the joint. For sure that ass is getting stretched nightly. When keeping it real goes wrong...
He's in lock up, not prison, you've seen a few too many movies about how that shit works. He's in unit with a bunch of other people awaiting trial, probably stupid drug charges, dwi's, and small theft type shit, not bunch of hardened dudes with 45 years left to go.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/f5YOi6f.jpg)
had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Homie might feel tough on the streets, but he's a full on twink in the joint. For sure that ass is getting stretched nightly. When keeping it real goes wrong...[close]
Expand QuoteHere is a theoretical situation:
A group of skaters show up to a downtown business and skate there. A security guard tells them to go about their day. The skaters say Shalom and continue on to the next spot.
It might sound radical, but if we could control our emotions, skaters could go about the skating without conflict.[close]
I get that violence is bad but come on are we going to start shaming skaters for not obeying security guards. I understand they're just doing their job but if skaters actually listened hardly anything would get done. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion now but don't think there's anything wrong with fucking with security guards, and no I don't mean bashing their heads in. Literally every skater has been in a situation where they're skating somewhere they shouldn't and this isn't going to away unless we exclusively stick to skate parks. If you want to take the high road and avoid conflict that's great you'd have to be a kook to think otherwise but don't think its fair to get mad at skateboarders for being skateboarders
End of the day, a security guard grabbing a skateboard shouldn't result in him being jumped by 8 dudes and fucked up for life. A lot of us are blinded by that because were skaters but JV was no doubt wrong for doing this
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Homie might feel tough on the streets, but he's a full on twink in the joint. For sure that ass is getting stretched nightly. When keeping it real goes wrong...[close]
I definitely get the vibe that you've gathered all your information about being locked up from TV.
Before GX, skaters NEVER before had done squabbled with security guards. SHAME ON YOU GX!
Expand QuoteBefore GX, skaters NEVER before had done squabbled with security guards. SHAME ON YOU GX![close]
Not true
Professor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story
Expand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Homie might feel tough on the streets, but he's a full on twink in the joint. For sure that ass is getting stretched nightly. When keeping it real goes wrong...[close]
I definitely get the vibe that you've gathered all your information about being locked up fromTV.OZ
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.[close]
It’s cool at first, and then one time it might kinda smell like piss.
And then you find out later it is piss.
Still down though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.[close]
It’s cool at first, and then one time it might kinda smell like piss.
And then you find out later it is piss.
Still down though.[close]
Yea, though it is rare I make a chick squirt, I love that shit. Sames with the piss, fuck it im down. When you put that work in and that shit hits the wall, its the most satisfying shit. Yall stick your fingers in chicks buttholes? If so how many? My record is 3, then my dick witch was pretty dope, but 3 fingers is forsure wider than my stupid cock.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.[close]
It’s cool at first, and then one time it might kinda smell like piss.
And then you find out later it is piss.
Still down though.[close]
Yea, though it is rare I make a chick squirt, I love that shit. Sames with the piss, fuck it im down. When you put that work in and that shit hits the wall, its the most satisfying shit. Yall stick your fingers in chicks buttholes? If so how many? My record is 3, then my dick witch was pretty dope, but 3 fingers is forsure wider than my stupid cock.[close]
Not in their butt, I just massage their butthole with my thumb while doing doggy style. Also, one time I woke up next to this chick after a night of heavy drinking and fucking and the bed was all wet. We were both checking if we pissed ourselves but we were all dry. It kinda smelled like piss but it definitely smelled like something different. Turns out she squirted like crazy the night before. It took a month and a couple of cans of febreeze to get rid of the smell. I was not stoked.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.[close]
It’s cool at first, and then one time it might kinda smell like piss.
And then you find out later it is piss.
Still down though.[close]
Yea, though it is rare I make a chick squirt, I love that shit. Sames with the piss, fuck it im down. When you put that work in and that shit hits the wall, its the most satisfying shit. Yall stick your fingers in chicks buttholes? If so how many? My record is 3, then my dick witch was pretty dope, but 3 fingers is forsure wider than my stupid cock.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
Edit:
Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.[close]
It’s cool at first, and then one time it might kinda smell like piss.
And then you find out later it is piss.
Still down though.[close]
Yea, though it is rare I make a chick squirt, I love that shit. Sames with the piss, fuck it im down. When you put that work in and that shit hits the wall, its the most satisfying shit. Yall stick your fingers in chicks buttholes? If so how many? My record is 3, then my dick witch was pretty dope, but 3 fingers is forsure wider than my stupid cock.[close]
Wait wait wait
Three fingers then your dick? Or do you mean three fingers and your dick? I matched with a girl on tinder who was into 'stretching' and that shit mortified me so quickly.
Also, Dick Witch seems like a band Riley Hawk would be into.
End of the day, a security guard grabbing a skateboard shouldn't result in him being jumped by 8 dudes and fucked up for life. A lot of us are blinded by that because were skaters but JV was no doubt wrong for doing this
I matched with a girl on tinder who was into 'stretching' and that shit mortified me so quickly.
Expand QuoteI matched with a girl on tinder who was into 'stretching' and that shit mortified me so quickly.[close]
Damn, if only I wasn't married.
This happened too in San Mateo, kid hit the cop in the head with the board. I had to sign a poster for him at school.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI matched with a girl on tinder who was into 'stretching' and that shit mortified me so quickly.[close]
Damn, if only I wasn't married.[close]
We still talk occasionally. She has narcolepsy. Seems kinda problematic.
This happened too in San Mateo, kid hit the cop in the head with the board. I had to sign a poster for him at school.warms my heart
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteProfessor Makemsqrt, MD
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Anyone ever make a chick squirt? Can we stop arguing about bullshit until there’s more evidence or an update in the story[close]
Not yet, but I've heard every chick can. Also, when I first read that, I thought it said "Anyone ever make a chicken squirt?". It's been a long night.[close]
It’s cool at first, and then one time it might kinda smell like piss.
And then you find out later it is piss.
Still down though.[close]
Yea, though it is rare I make a chick squirt, I love that shit. Sames with the piss, fuck it im down. When you put that work in and that shit hits the wall, its the most satisfying shit. Yall stick your fingers in chicks buttholes? If so how many? My record is 3, then my dick witch was pretty dope, but 3 fingers is forsure wider than my stupid cock.[close]
Wait wait wait
Three fingers then your dick? Or do you mean three fingers and your dick? I matched with a girl on tinder who was into 'stretching' and that shit mortified me so quickly.
Also, Dick Witch seems like a band Riley Hawk would be into.[close]
lolz about the Riley Hawk thing. Yea I would usually start with making out with her, witch leads to boob then vag play, then the sick fuck that I am will go for the good ol arsehole. Once there, I massage then proceed to put 1 finger in. After a little while I will usually put a second in there. After that I try to put my wiener in there if their down but usually ill have to put lucky number 3 in there to strech it out so It dosent hurt to put my Johnson in there. Anyone have any funny stories about ripping an asshole open hahahaha.
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had a hearing yesterday... next ones on 3/22[close]
Whats happening at these hearings? What keeps pushing them up?
Anyone think Jesse been diddled yet[close]
Homie might feel tough on the streets, but he's a full on twink in the joint. For sure that ass is getting stretched nightly. When keeping it real goes wrong...[close]
I definitely get the vibe that you've gathered all your information about being locked up from TV.[close]
Law and Order fan fiction
weird i'm from about 3 miles from Mateo and never heard about this. you usually would hear about this if it happens. If it was done i have a clue as to what cop it coulda been.warms my heartExpand QuoteThis happened too in San Mateo, kid hit the cop in the head with the board. I had to sign a poster for him at school.[close]
Pretty sure it was South SF.weird i'm from about 3 miles from Mateo and never heard about this. you usually would hear about this if it happens. If it was done i have a clue as to what cop it coulda been.Expand Quotewarms my heartExpand QuoteThis happened too in San Mateo, kid hit the cop in the head with the board. I had to sign a poster for him at school.[close][close]
Anyone know if Brian is still outta the country? Is anyone else getting charged with anything?
Expand QuoteAnyone know if Brian is still outta the country? Is anyone else getting charged with anything?[close]
he's back. saw him a few weeks ago at the brixton/tobin yelland event out here in sf.
actually an interesting night. dela, gx, 1-8 dudes, daryl angel, and 1010 were all in attendance.
Also a big fuck you to Thrasher who didnt wanna cover this. In the end, Thrasher operates like a local SF magazine, supporting their own, regardless of how wack they are.This.
Next time in court is Friday 9:15 am.
https://www.sfsheriff.com/jailinfolanding.html
Just use his details from the previous page to look him, SFNO and Booking #. No one cares about this anymore? No one knows what happened last week?
Expand QuoteNext time in court is Friday 9:15 am.
https://www.sfsheriff.com/jailinfolanding.html
Just use his details from the previous page to look him, SFNO and Booking #. No one cares about this anymore? No one knows what happened last week?[close]
Why don't you share with us? I saw some shit about something and figured it was the same shit, because idiots like to make multiple threads about the same topic.
Did they find out the security guard actually truck smashed himself? What is it?!
Any update from yesterday? More important is the guard doing OK? Last I heard he was eating soup with a helmet on.
^^ these two are tripping over each other for the edgelord olympics medalDamn dude you got me all figured out.
This.Expand QuoteAlso a big fuck you to Thrasher who didnt wanna cover this. In the end, Thrasher operates like a local SF magazine, supporting their own, regardless of how wack they are.[close]
Expand QuoteThis.Expand QuoteAlso a big fuck you to Thrasher who didnt wanna cover this. In the end, Thrasher operates like a local SF magazine, supporting their own, regardless of how wack they are.[close][close]
I love Thrasher and all. If you're expecting them to have a staff of journalists and be willing to report on anything negative about a potential ad buyer, then you are going to be very disappointed.
They have more in common with facebook and youtube than they do with Esquire, Rolling Stone, ect.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis.Expand QuoteAlso a big fuck you to Thrasher who didnt wanna cover this. In the end, Thrasher operates like a local SF magazine, supporting their own, regardless of how wack they are.[close][close]
I love Thrasher and all. If you're expecting them to have a staff of journalists and be willing to report on anything negative about a potential ad buyer, then you are going to be very disappointed.
They have more in common with facebook and youtube than they do with Esquire, Rolling Stone, ect.[close]
Thrasher pays gx, not the other way around.
Heard the police captain ordered a stop and frisk on anyone with cuffed pants.
https://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco
Expand Quotehttps://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco[close]
What a fucking embarrassment.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco[close]
What a fucking embarrassment.[close]
Hey man, just because you and I can't afford a $1700 jacket and a $245 polo doesn't mean they are a complete embarrassment to skateboarders.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco[close]
What a fucking embarrassment.[close]
Hey man, just because you and I can't afford a $1700 jacket and a $245 polo doesn't mean they are a complete embarrassment to skateboarders.[close]
this story was from over a year ago. GX1000 sucks nonetheless
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What a fucking embarrassment.[close]
Hey man, just because you and I can't afford a $1700 jacket and a $245 polo doesn't mean they are a complete embarrassment to skateboarders.[close]
this story was from over a year ago. GX1000 sucks nonetheless[close]
Lol everyone on here is so fucking lame. Who would honestly turn down a GQ interview that gives you massive publicity?? Those dudes still rip and are gnarlier than most of the industry. But we can keep hating on them cause GQ published an article about them, not cause they are super raw SF skaters. Everyone hating are the actual kooks
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What a fucking embarrassment.[close]
Hey man, just because you and I can't afford a $1700 jacket and a $245 polo doesn't mean they are a complete embarrassment to skateboarders.[close]
this story was from over a year ago. GX1000 sucks nonetheless[close]
Lol everyone on here is so fucking lame. Who would honestly turn down a GQ interview that gives you massive publicity?? Those dudes still rip and are gnarlier than most of the industry. But we can keep hating on them cause GQ published an article about them, not cause they are super raw SF skaters. Everyone hating are the actual kooks[close]
Uhhhhhh, did you read this entire thread? Pretty sure we're hating on them for one of them smashing a security guard's head in and a bunch of them fleeing the scene? Maybe I missed something.
I've previously posted on this thread saying I don't back bashing a security guard until he's a vegetable. Shits fucked and has no place in skating. Was more directly complaining about the hate on the GQ article. That crew has a lot more dudes then just the guys involved in the incident
Before GX, skaters NEVER before had done squabbled with security guards. SHAME ON YOU GX!gotta agree with that for the most part, but im pretty sure that if a security guard were to come out aggressively and try to take you board for skating in an empty parking lot, people would start fights. Still GX definitely encouraged the behavior
Expand QuoteI've previously posted on this thread saying I don't back bashing a security guard until he's a vegetable. Shits fucked and has no place in skating. Was more directly complaining about the hate on the GQ article. That crew has a lot more dudes then just the guys involved in the incident[close]
Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned (pun intended) fella, and I'm not one to hate on them for getting exposure in GQ, but I do think the ultra-expensive clothes and the upscale-fashionista thing does not fit in with skateboarding, especially hillbombers like these guys. Unless you are super loaded or sponsored to wear $500 clothing items (for which the COGS would realistically be $2), no one in their right mind would wear such things knowing they might meet concrete and rip it to shreds.
Because people keep repeating the same lies, I'll just clarify:
1. They were skating and really pushing the limits in terms of moving the barricades, etc.
2. The security guy was doing his job, but clearly lost his cool (nowhere in the security guard handbook does it say that stepping to a big group of people by yourself is a good idea).
3. There was a scuffle.
4. The guard fell backwards and hit his head on the ground. He looks the way he does because the doctor had to remove part of his skull to relieve the pressure caused by his brain swelling. At no time was his head bashed in with a skateboard.
5. At any point, either of the parties could have avoided this by doing what they were supposed to (GX leaving, or the guard calling the police and/or more guards).
6. Shit happens. It sucks, but that's how it is. Enjoy your shit-free life and don't take the good parts for granted.
dude how many hearings does this guy have to have? i don't really follow how the judicial system works but is this normal to be seen this many times? also i assume he has a DA working for him not an actual lawyer.the DA works against you. i think you mean 'public defender'.
dude how many hearings does this guy have to have? i don't really follow how the judicial system works but is this normal to be seen this many times? also i assume he has a DA working for him not an actual lawyer.
yeah the only time I got caught skateboarding was at Stanford University in Palo Alto it was a misdemeanor instead of an infraction because it was on the Stanford the grounds I had to get a lawyer to defend meExpand Quotedude how many hearings does this guy have to have? i don't really follow how the judicial system works but is this normal to be seen this many times? also i assume he has a DA working for him not an actual lawyer.[close]
Roughly 98% of criminal cases are resolved via plea bargains, so simply going to court is really rare.
lurper, while you're right about plea bargains, you're wrong that you don't go to court to hear deals over and over until they offer you a sweet one and/or you take it to trial.
usually you see a judge w/in 72 hours. then again in 14-28 days. then again by 60 days unless you waive your right to a speedy trial. legally, i think they have to wrap it up in 60 days but if you waive, you can fight a case for yrs.
in serious cases, people usually fight the case for upwards of 2 yrs. figure they're gonna do serious time regardless so they're not in a hurry to take any old deal. after you've sat for a while, there's less clamor for your head from the victims, you've suffered a little, everyone's got a cooler head.
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What a fucking embarrassment.[close]
Hey man, just because you and I can't afford a $1700 jacket and a $245 polo doesn't mean they are a complete embarrassment to skateboarders.[close]
this story was from over a year ago. GX1000 sucks nonetheless[close]
Lol everyone on here is so fucking lame. Who would honestly turn down a GQ interview that gives you massive publicity?? Those dudes still rip and are gnarlier than most of the industry. But we can keep hating on them cause GQ published an article about them, not cause they are super raw SF skaters. Everyone hating are the actual kooks
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.gq.com/story/gx1000-skate-crew-san-francisco[close]
What a fucking embarrassment.[close]
Hey man, just because you and I can't afford a $1700 jacket and a $245 polo doesn't mean they are a complete embarrassment to skateboarders.[close]
this story was from over a year ago. GX1000 sucks nonetheless[close]
Lol everyone on here is so fucking lame. Who would honestly turn down a GQ interview that gives you massive publicity?? Those dudes still rip and are gnarlier than most of the industry. But we can keep hating on them cause GQ published an article about them, not cause they are super raw SF skaters. Everyone hating are the actual kooks[close]
Hi GX guy!
yeah the only time I got caught skateboarding was at Stanford University in Palo Alto it was a misdemeanor instead of an infraction because it was on the Stanford the grounds I had to get a lawyer to defend meExpand QuoteExpand Quotedude how many hearings does this guy have to have? i don't really follow how the judicial system works but is this normal to be seen this many times? also i assume he has a DA working for him not an actual lawyer.[close]
Roughly 98% of criminal cases are resolved via plea bargains, so simply going to court is really rare.[close]
Because people keep repeating the same lies, I'll just clarify:
1. They were skating and really pushing the limits in terms of moving the barricades, etc.
2. The security guy was doing his job, but clearly lost his cool (nowhere in the security guard handbook does it say that stepping to a big group of people by yourself is a good idea).
3. There was a scuffle.
4. The guard fell backwards and hit his head on the ground. He looks the way he does because the doctor had to remove part of his skull to relieve the pressure caused by his brain swelling. At no time was his head bashed in with a skateboard.
5. At any point, either of the parties could have avoided this by doing what they were supposed to (GX leaving, or the guard calling the police and/or more guards).
6. Shit happens. It sucks, but that's how it is. Enjoy your shit-free life and don't take the good parts for granted.
stanford is amazing its one big skatepark basically so many spotsExpand Quoteyeah the only time I got caught skateboarding was at Stanford University in Palo Alto it was a misdemeanor instead of an infraction because it was on the Stanford the grounds I had to get a lawyer to defend meExpand QuoteExpand Quotedude how many hearings does this guy have to have? i don't really follow how the judicial system works but is this normal to be seen this many times? also i assume he has a DA working for him not an actual lawyer.[close]
Roughly 98% of criminal cases are resolved via plea bargains, so simply going to court is really rare.[close][close]
Stanford was dope around 96-98, super fun ledges and hubba, never really got kicked out then. SF was always cop/security drama from since I can remember. Downtown San Jose was drama free for a minute too, never got a chance to session coral reef aka courthouse ...guess we need Jordan Peterson to represent us as public defender and skatestopper advocate lol
stanford is amazing its one big skatepark basically so many spotsExpand QuoteExpand Quoteyeah the only time I got caught skateboarding was at Stanford University in Palo Alto it was a misdemeanor instead of an infraction because it was on the Stanford the grounds I had to get a lawyer to defend meExpand QuoteExpand Quotedude how many hearings does this guy have to have? i don't really follow how the judicial system works but is this normal to be seen this many times? also i assume he has a DA working for him not an actual lawyer.[close]
Roughly 98% of criminal cases are resolved via plea bargains, so simply going to court is really rare.[close][close]
Stanford was dope around 96-98, super fun ledges and hubba, never really got kicked out then. SF was always cop/security drama from since I can remember. Downtown San Jose was drama free for a minute too, never got a chance to session coral reef aka courthouse ...guess we need Jordan Peterson to represent us as public defender and skatestopper advocate lol[close]
Have you seen it recently. a ton of construction and new buildings, lots of pretty new hand rails and stairs. I wouldnt dare skate that campus in 2019, campus police seems beefed up too.
I got popped there twice they take e everything even your tape as evidence I don't know how pros get around the copsExpand QuoteHave you seen it recently. a ton of construction and new buildings, lots of pretty new hand rails and stairs. I wouldnt dare skate that campus in 2019, campus police seems beefed up too.[close]
The Stanford gap is one of those things that doesn't look as big on video as it is for real. My cousin went to grad skool there around 04-06 and we'd walk around campus from time to time - would ollie and 180 that gap when there. Always wanted to kickflip it but never got it. Never really saw campus popo during that time either.
p.s. next time anyone skates Stanford, just say you're a grad student and you live in Escondido Village lol.
His lawyer filed a motion to dismiss the charges but it was denied. Jury selection was Apr 10th. Trial starts next week.Well that was rather optimistic of him, I wonder if he sweetened the pot by saying "please."
Going to trial is such a dumb idea.if the deal is 20 yrs, least in trial he has a chance to pawn the blame on someone else. my guess is on the date of trial they'll give him a deal he can live with.
Jury selection already? That seems so quick. How can there not be more, and clearer footage? It's downtown SF. Figured it'd be wired for sound around black rock.
I had to wait 11.5 months to pick a jury, never waived my speey trial. Picked 8 jurors before breaking for lunch. 5 minutes in cell for bag lunch, my lawyer comes in to say they dismissed all 14 counts. If you don't feel your guilty, never take a deal, no matter how "sweet" it may seem. Personally, when the deal went from 10-25 years & habitual jacket, down to 2 years, I knew I was doing the right thing going to trial. Also, I DIDN'T DO IT. Violent cases are much different from drug cases though. No victim or victim advocates. Lawyer said the only reason I got off was I didn't try to talk my way out of arrest, just immediately invoked my right to council. Codefendant's almost always going to try to put their trash on you. The fact Jesse is the only one charged makes it really seem like he is at fault. They'd definitely charge any others before his trial starts, if they're were ever going to. From the footage I saw, I'm surprised Insta Detox wasn't charged in some capacity.
if the deal is 20 yrs, least in trial he has a chance to pawn the blame on someone else. my guess is on the date of trial they'll give him a deal he can live with.Expand QuoteGoing to trial is such a dumb idea.[close]
i went to jail in SF 16 yrs ago, first court date they offered me 2 yrs upstate. 2nd court date, 6 months. 3rd court date, unsupervised probation, felony dropped to misdemeanor, get the hell outta here.
similar experiences in other states.
it's all capitalism's fault man!Expand Quoteif the deal is 20 yrs, least in trial he has a chance to pawn the blame on someone else. my guess is on the date of trial they'll give him a deal he can live with.Expand QuoteGoing to trial is such a dumb idea.[close]
i went to jail in SF 16 yrs ago, first court date they offered me 2 yrs upstate. 2nd court date, 6 months. 3rd court date, unsupervised probation, felony dropped to misdemeanor, get the hell outta here.
similar experiences in other states.[close]
Uhhh why is this a reoccurring theme in your life?
Going to trial is such a dumb idea.
Do you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.
Expand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.
They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this evidence. The DA has seen it. There’s still charges.Expand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.
They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this thread.
They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this evidence. The DA has seen it. There’s still charges.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
They can’t just wait until the middle of the trial and surprise everyone with this evidence. The DA has seen it. There’s still charges.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
Going to trial for him with this is such a dumb idea, how's that? They've had him in there since December on no bail because of how fucked his butt is. Have you ever had jury duty? Do you want those dipshits deciding your fate? I'd rather they take me out back and shoot me. The only reason I didn't take my deal was because I already knew it was getting dismissed and that took a year. No goddamn way am I letting my "peers" judge me they think security guards are cops and cops are soldiers and soldiers are heroes and now you're doing 15 years.
Expand QuoteGoing to trial for him with this is such a dumb idea, how's that? They've had him in there since December on no bail because of how fucked his butt is. Have you ever had jury duty? Do you want those dipshits deciding your fate? I'd rather they take me out back and shoot me. The only reason I didn't take my deal was because I already knew it was getting dismissed and that took a year. No goddamn way am I letting my "peers" judge me they think security guards are cops and cops are soldiers and soldiers are heroes and now you're doing 15 years.[close]
Real shit.
well good thing you dodged jury duty the Lurper so those backwards people could put their buddy in jail. i'm a felon so i believe i'm exempt but i'd hear a case, fuck it. i usedta watch court for fun, i'd be into it.
your boy wasn't that off, i think innocent convictions are only 11% anyways so 9 outta 10 the dude was guilty.
public defender is what i meant yeah the DA is the guy trying to convict the guy. your correct.
he's up against three charges, each of which pose a maximum felony sentence of 4 years
Expand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.
you can't have something that gets you out w/out proving it in court. you can't prove it in court til all sides are ready at trial. trial takes time. so you can't just pull a rabbit out your hat, generally speaking. the DA has to give your attorney all their evidence at discovery but i don't think your attorney busts out your alibi til trial. judges generally don't dismiss cases til it's time for trial and the DA knows they ain't got the goods to convict and you aren't taking their [bluff] deal.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.[close]
my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.
hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.[close]
my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.
hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.[close]
Thats bs. Would you sit in jail any longer if you had something that could get you out instantly? If he really had somnething to get him off, he would have presentred it already. Now his lawyer is most likely working on a way to spin this the best way.[close]
my understanding here is the defense did present this alternate footage to get the charges dropped and it wasn't enough. this was at an early court appearance. it has not been revealed what the source of the footage is.
hope somebody is in court today to report back. shalom.[close]
Considering the crew Jesse has been known to skate with in the past and was [allegedly] rolling with that day, I think we'd all be shocked if the [alleged] footage wasn't filmed by Gershall and by someone else. That said, they [Jesse / Lawyers] could be bluffing and saying that there's evidence to prove him innocent when there isn't. After all, OJ's still looking for the real killers, right?
All I was trying to say on the last page is that just because we haven't seen the video doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
How often do you get to see all of the evidence in a trial before the trial happens?
That said, even if it exists, I don't know how much it will do. Ever try and watch back a clip where you slammed only to find out that from where the clip was filmed, you can't even see you rolling your ankle or hitting your head or what-the-fuck-ever? Imagine that clip but there's a full on fight between multiple people going on - no matter how good of a filmer you may be, you're not expecting that to happen... that and dude was probably filming fish, who knows if someone walked in front of the camera during the only portion that matters.
Either way - going to trial is definitely a bad idea. The state almost always plays dirty.
as for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.I think you mean if he's found guilty. The state doesn't get a second chance at going to court for the same crime if he is found "not guilty" as double jeopardy applies. He can petition for a new trial for various reasons that serve as the basis of an an appeal (it doesn't have to be new evidence, but that is one). The only way double jeopardy doesn't apply, is if the court rules you were never in jeopardy the first time due to something like jury tampering. Considering Jesse isn't a millionaire or a crime lord, I think we can put the odds of him conducting jury tampering as basically nill.
vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.
he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.
we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.
from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.
i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.
I think you mean if he's found guilty. The state doesn't get a second chance at going to court for the same crime if he is found "not guilty" as double jeopardy applies. He can petition for a new trial for various reasons that serve as the basis of an an appeal (it doesn't have to be new evidence, but that is one). The only way double jeopardy doesn't apply, is if the court rules you were never in jeopardy the first time due to something like jury tampering. Considering Jesse isn't a millionaire or a crime lord, I think we can put the odds of him conducting jury tampering as basically nill.Expand Quoteas for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.
vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.
he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.
we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.
from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.
i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.[close]
fuck no they can't!Expand QuoteI think you mean if he's found guilty. The state doesn't get a second chance at going to court for the same crime if he is found "not guilty" as double jeopardy applies. He can petition for a new trial for various reasons that serve as the basis of an an appeal (it doesn't have to be new evidence, but that is one). The only way double jeopardy doesn't apply, is if the court rules you were never in jeopardy the first time due to something like jury tampering. Considering Jesse isn't a millionaire or a crime lord, I think we can put the odds of him conducting jury tampering as basically nill.Expand Quoteas for possible outcomes now, and this is total speculation, i can see a few things happening.
vieira may have the opportunity to change his plea to guilty if things aren't going great for the prosecution and a deal is negotiated. this would result in a deal with reduced sentence, probably coupled with not having to serve the full sentence that gets imposed. he can also change his plea at any time and hope for the best. if it goes to see a guilty verdict, the DA will push for the strongest sentence.
he may be found guilty on none, one, two, or all three charges. i'm not sure what the law is surrounding this, but the option may present to serve the sentences concurrently or consecutively. he would only serve the max 12 years if he was found guilty of all three charges, receives the max sentence for all of them, and they are set to be served consecutively (one after the other). that would be the worst case scenario for him if my understanding of the charges is correct. if he has any prior criminality it will come into play. so will his initial denial of involvement if he gave a mirandized statement.
we do not know if he's elected judge or jury. in the case of a hung jury, the case would need to be tried again. if found innocent, he would not be able to be retried unless there was new evidence. i don't see this as the type of case where new evidence will come to light down the road.
from the video footage we've seen, i think one unidentified guy knocks him down the first time. the rest of the blows look to have come from vieira (i am thinking he is the guy with the white shirt showing under his sweater). kind of looks like a two way fight at first, and perhaps that is why the first guy wasn't charged.
i've seen a few comments questioning the usefulness of discussing and speculating on cases like this. but i think it's important for the system to be transparent, and healthy for society to discuss and debate the mechanics of the justice system. this is a sad situation for everybody, but still an interesting case.[close][close]
i didn't know this. i always thought if substantial new evidence was found the state could retry.
This thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality.
Expand QuoteThis thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality.[close]
Chill bro, Saint Quentin aint that bad, plus its close to home
Expand QuoteDo you guys really fucking think that just because people not involved with in any goddamn capacity with the case haven’t seen any other footage/evidence means that there isn’t any other footage/evidence?
come fucking on. use your gildan thrasher hoodie adled brains. just because fucking slap magazine isn’t privy to evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t fucking exist.[close]
Jesse's lawyer has already said that one of the filmers has HD footage of the incident that was suppossed to exonerate his client. I guess they are sitting on it in preparation for the trial.
Things SLAP Pals have an impressive amount of knowledge about:
1. Skate videos
2. Addiction/Rehab
3. The legal process
Shalom.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis thread is insane. You guys know so much about court and legality.[close]
Chill bro, Saint Quentin aint that bad, plus its close to home[close]
You live in France?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/bfgnjt/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/he definitely deserved that
Welp.
he definitely deserved thatExpand Quotehttps://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/bfgnjt/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/
Welp.[close]
yeah thats true, he hit him with grip side tho which is a step in the right directionExpand Quotehe definitely deserved thatExpand Quotehttps://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/bfgnjt/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/
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yeah, he asked for it, but it's still stupid to hit people in the head with your board, i mean if you really have to fuck a dude up don't fucking smash his dome, it's better to hit him below the sternum or something, it hurts a lot but he won't fucking die, and it will give you enough time to run away
yeah thats true, he hit him with grip side tho which is a step in the right directionExpand QuoteExpand Quotehe definitely deserved thatExpand Quotehttps://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/bfgnjt/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/
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yeah, he asked for it, but it's still stupid to hit people in the head with your board, i mean if you really have to fuck a dude up don't fucking smash his dome, it's better to hit him below the sternum or something, it hurts a lot but he won't fucking die, and it will give you enough time to run away[close]
https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/bfgnjt/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/
Welp.
Was there a security guard just standing there , letting that guy hit teenagers, then starting to do his job when that guy got cracked? Or do my eyes deceive me
The “damn-i-shoulda-known-better” look on old boy’s face at the end is fucking priceless! Fucking knew exactly where he fucked up.He got Shalom’d the fuck out
Well that guy will think twice about punching random people in the street now. Some people just have to learn the hard way.I think he'll have a hard time thinking for a while.
The only real dude in that whole mess was the little guy with the baker board. He was a scrapper you can just tell. Floored that guy with a punch, and had the upper hand until that psycho came in swinging trucks.https://youtu.be/s_Fw0c7QfEo (https://youtu.be/s_Fw0c7QfEo)
https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/bfgnjt/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/
Welp.
You guys are tripping that fucking sucked. Walk the fuck away.
Well that guy will think twice about punching random people in the street now. Some people just have to learn the hard way.Sometimes you have to break people of their bad habits. It’s almost always unfortunate.
Wow. I used to live by that spot at Grand Central Market in LA. its kinda funny to think of all the yuppies sitting there slurping down oysters and cocktails when this messy fracas went down.Sometimes you have to break people of their bad habits. It’s almost always unfortunate.Expand QuoteWell that guy will think twice about punching random people in the street now. Some people just have to learn the hard way.[close]
yeah, he asked for it, but it's still stupid to hit people in the head with your board, i mean if you really have to fuck a dude up don't fucking smash his dome, it's better to hit him below the sternum or something, it hurts a lot but he won't fucking die, and it will give you enough time to run away
In regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:this is the most tactical way
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?
this is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOkthis is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close]
That ways cool, thanks for sharing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOkExpand Quotethis is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close][close]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOkExpand Quotethis is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close][close]
He got Shalom’d the fuck outExpand QuoteThe “damn-i-shoulda-known-better” look on old boy’s face at the end is fucking priceless! Fucking knew exactly where he fucked up.[close]
Did anyone else notice the guy leaving with the chair, what the fuck was his plan.
No, his plan is to sit down at a different location and a later point in time.Expand QuoteDid anyone else notice the guy leaving with the chair, what the fuck was his plan.[close]
... to leave with the chair.
What's your preferred method for beating someone with a skateboard?Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdr-O81MEOkExpand Quotethis is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close][close][close]
lol good video, but I bet there is someone who will believe this shit will actually work[close]
this is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close]
+1 for daysExpand Quotethis is the most tactical wayExpand QuoteIn regards to which skateboard combat techniques are most effective:
• Two hand hold, front truck bash?
• Rear truck hold, blade swing?
• Dual truck grip, pugil-stick style jabbing and blocking?
• Rear truck hammer throw at shins?[close][close]
(https://i.imgur.com/33enSVH.png)kahlesskalis be praised
Did anyone else notice the guy leaving with the chair, what the fuck was his plan.
No, his plan is to sit down at a different location and a later point in time.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDid anyone else notice the guy leaving with the chair, what the fuck was his plan.[close]
... to leave with the chair.[close]
Can anyone do me a solid and point me to a synopsis of what’s going on here. Like is there a page of the thread that’s essential reading as to details?
Expand QuoteCan anyone do me a solid and point me to a synopsis of what’s going on here. Like is there a page of the thread that’s essential reading as to details?[close]
No, just speculation and people saying Jesse bashed the security guard's brains in with a skateboard even though he didn't.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan anyone do me a solid and point me to a synopsis of what’s going on here. Like is there a page of the thread that’s essential reading as to details?[close]
No, just speculation and people saying Jesse bashed the security guard's brains in with a skateboard even though he didn't.[close]
Thanks. And if I could trouble you for a synopsis of why you think he didnt (again I have no idea about any of this).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan anyone do me a solid and point me to a synopsis of what’s going on here. Like is there a page of the thread that’s essential reading as to details?[close]
No, just speculation and people saying Jesse bashed the security guard's brains in with a skateboard even though he didn't.[close]
Thanks. And if I could trouble you for a synopsis of why you think he didnt (again I have no idea about any of this).
bruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself
I've been watching the video over this week. Im starting to feel as though Jesse isnt really the one to blame here, Jesse was protecting his friends, like any good friend would do. Im sure it was a really hectic situation and it literally could have happened to anyone. Jesse is a real one, taking the fall for everyone else involved.
Expand Quotebruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself[close]
....jockboy
I see weinerExpand QuoteI've been watching the video over this week. Im starting to feel as though Jesse isnt really the one to blame here, Jesse was protecting his friends, like any good friend would do. Im sure it was a really hectic situation and it literally could have happened to anyone. Jesse is a real one, taking the fall for everyone else involved.[close]
jessie saw an overpowered, unarmed security guard and hit him over the head with his board.
but if you watch the video enough you'll see what you wanna see
You don’t even try to get a few more tries? Always try to sweet talk them into one or two more goes.Expand QuoteIf Jesse did hit that guard then fuck him. If he didn't, then I hope the truth is revealed soon.
This whole shit storm is a fucking embarrassment. Whether or not the guard was assaulted, if someone tells you to leave then fucking leave. You're on private property and there are guards there for a reason.
When I'm asked not to skate on property or told to leave, I do so without hesitation.
Honestly I'm sick of all this "I'm gonna skate this fuck you homeowner" mentality. Just be fucking respectful. You wouldn't let a BMXer ride on your fucking house would you?
God fucking dammit.[close]
I see weinerExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been watching the video over this week. Im starting to feel as though Jesse isnt really the one to blame here, Jesse was protecting his friends, like any good friend would do. Im sure it was a really hectic situation and it literally could have happened to anyone. Jesse is a real one, taking the fall for everyone else involved.[close]
jessie saw an overpowered, unarmed security guard and hit him over the head with his board.
but if you watch the video enough you'll see what you wanna see[close]
the san fransisco chronicle piece on ramirez's death states that the vieira trial started this week. however vieira had 9am court dates every day last week except good friday.
ramirez dying after leaving the court room at his friend's trial like that is tragic.
hhttps://www.reddit.com/r/instantkarma/comments/bfhte7/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/instantkarma/comments/bfhte7/man_pays_for_attacking_taunting_skater_kids/)
bruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself
Expand QuoteI've been watching the video over this week. Im starting to feel as though Jesse isnt really the one to blame here, Jesse was protecting his friends, like any good friend would do. Im sure it was a really hectic situation and it literally could have happened to anyone. Jesse is a real one, taking the fall for everyone else involved.[close]
jessie saw an overpowered, unarmed security guard and hit him over the head with his board.
but if you watch the video enough you'll see what you wanna see
https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/7913-skaters-bmx-ers
I always though the few more tries thing appropriate if you like a pro, filming, and it’s like your job, but now you have every idiot asking for a few more tries I’m sure, it’s prolly really annoying. Also I usually don’t really want to hang out with a security guard and chat about trying my skateboard trick a few more times, again different if you are filming for something.
Expand Quotebruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself[close]
i have no idea what you said
bruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself
bruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself
Expand Quotebruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself[close]
Can someone please translate this person?
5 days for an assault case seems like a long time. Are there any new details? Either side close to wrapping?
Expand QuoteExpand Quotebruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself[close]
....jockboy[close]
back den dey call me jockboy but fr fr u also may kno me asPLUR DADDYilliterate
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y25QNpQ7/Adobe-20190426-101231.png) (https://postimages.org/)Expand QuoteExpand Quotebruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself[close]
....jockboy[close]
back den dey call me jockboy but fr fr u also may kno me as PLUR DADDY
Hes saying that the kids are apparently pussy for fighting the guy back after he hit them in the face. The logic he is using is complete nonsense, cuz why not just hit them with a board and make it hurt more. Be patient, he has autism.Expand Quotebruh any1 who swing a board a bitch nigga, less a nigga pulled a banger on u den u put u fuckin hands up and fight em u pussy
yall nigga poosy losers
dat kid who hit mans in face with the truck not man enough to take a hit himself[close]
Can someone please translate this person?
they might be prolonging the case to make Jesse think he's fucked and take a plea deal. They need to release the tapes from GX. All we are seeing is the security guards side and his story of how he fished. What about Jesse's story and his tapes?
Expand Quote5 days for an assault case seems like a long time. Are there any new details? Either side close to wrapping?[close]
Must be complications with the case if 5 days is a long time. Three different charges, each charge could take some time to go through one by one maybe? Or there's problems with the charges and evidence against Jesse and it's difficult to convict him?
I thought there's a charge for an accidental death or accidental permanent damage in a fight, maybe something is going on with that? I don't think he got charged with anything like that...
i don't think the prosecution would let their case drag on in order make the defendant think they're in trouble and take a plea. but who knows. vieira is up on all of those charges because those are the crimes the da's office thinks he committed. of course the jury can convict on whatever ones they think he did. sometimes in murder cases the defendant will be charged with 1st degree, but the judge allow the jury to find guilty of 1st degree, 2nd degree or in some cases manslaughter. i don't know how it works, but i don't think that sort of thing is happening here.The video is so low quality and doesn't give any information on the backstory either. You can barely tell how it started or the reasoning behind it. Seems kinda biased but still yeah it shouldn't really take this long.
and yes i also think this case is taking a long time, seems like a straightforward assault trial with no substantial backstory to it. however the prosecutor is establishing a pattern of behavior with 5 911 calls about skaters the day before. and the video footage is anything but straightforward. i was also curious that he was scheduled to be in court every day last week, so i had assumed the trial started last monday (doesn't seem to be the case).
it's a jury trial. obviously they're not unanimous and they're debating back and forth. hasn't anyone seen '12 angry men'?peckerwoods? get ya eyes checked
hopefully he's got some sympathetic jurors, no punishment is gonna heal security but letting dude live a normal life, he might do some good. what's he gonna do in prison, put in work for the peckerwoods? nobody does good for the world behind bars [unless killing a child molester is doing good].
lol where do peckerwoods have anything to do with thispeckerwoods? get ya eyes checkedExpand Quoteit's a jury trial. obviously they're not unanimous and they're debating back and forth. hasn't anyone seen '12 angry men'?
hopefully he's got some sympathetic jurors, no punishment is gonna heal security but letting dude live a normal life, he might do some good. what's he gonna do in prison, put in work for the peckerwoods? nobody does good for the world behind bars [unless killing a child molester is doing good].[close]
get ya eyes checkedlol where do peckerwoods have anything to do with thisExpand Quotepeckerwoods? get ya eyes checkedExpand Quoteit's a jury trial. obviously they're not unanimous and they're debating back and forth. hasn't anyone seen '12 angry men'?
hopefully he's got some sympathetic jurors, no punishment is gonna heal security but letting dude live a normal life, he might do some good. what's he gonna do in prison, put in work for the peckerwoods? nobody does good for the world behind bars [unless killing a child molester is doing good].[close][close]
Trying to tie the previous 911 calls to the actual incident seems like some crummy lawyering. Do they have evidence that Jesse and his crew were the skaters that they previously called 911 for? Seems like that in and of itself would be difficult to prove. And if so what does that even mean? Are they trying to charge him with menacing? I suspect the GX vid is more exonerating than has been let on and they are trying to muddy up their argument with some bad skater kids narrative since that had legs in the media.
Fuck all this talk, if dude would have bashed one of your relatives head in like this, would you side with him? And even if the security did start, it’s not a life and death situation that warrants this type of fuckery.
Theres a lesson here: Never go full person.
Expand QuoteFuck all this talk, if dude would have bashed one of your relatives head in like this, would you side with him? And even if the security did start, it’s not a life and death situation that warrants this type of fuckery.
Yeah, only difference is dude lost half of his skull. Don’t act like a senseless idiot as if you don’t know that there’s levels to this shit. If someone slaps you, that doesn’t justify you shooting him.
Theres a lesson here: Never go full person.[close]
Whether it is a relative of mine has no impact on my position. If my relative socked someone first and got socked back i would call my relative an idiot.
Anyone know if they were back in court again today?
Anyone know if they were back in court again today?
and Andy Roy's nine clubSomeone is eager for you to know they're into prison stuff. Like they watched Oz and American History X and American Me.Expand Quotelol where do peckerwoods have anything to do with thisExpand Quotepeckerwoods? get ya eyes checkedExpand Quoteit's a jury trial. obviously they're not unanimous and they're debating back and forth. hasn't anyone seen '12 angry men'?
hopefully he's got some sympathetic jurors, no punishment is gonna heal security but letting dude live a normal life, he might do some good. what's he gonna do in prison, put in work for the peckerwoods? nobody does good for the world behind bars [unless killing a child molester is doing good].[close][close][close]
"Attorneys in the case sparred over what the multiple videos of the encounter showed in the two-week trial that came to a close on Wednesday, leaving the San Francisco Superior Court jury to deliberate the fate of the 24-year-old defendant."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Vicious-assault-or-self-defense-San-Francisco-13812087.php
A lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.
Expand QuoteA lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.[close]
i was out of free looks as well, but was able to access the article by clicking through the link on the author’s twitter account
https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20 (https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20)
Expand QuoteA lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.[close]
i was out of free looks as well, but was able to access the article by clicking through the link on the author’s twitter account
https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20 (https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20)
The article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.And 2 other phone angles? Either that or maybe Otto filmed it too
And 2 other phone angles? Either that or maybe Otto filmed it tooExpand QuoteThe article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.[close]
Expand QuoteAnd 2 other phone angles? Either that or maybe Otto filmed it tooExpand QuoteThe article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.[close][close]
in one of the first news clips, they talk about having HD footage, might be his.
Can't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.
Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control
Next court date is Monday the sixth now. So did they find him guilty, and it's sentencing Monday, or does the jury know they aren't arriving at an agreed verdict anytime soon?maybe the judge is off tomorrow. if sentencing were to be postponed it would be longer than a wknd.
Expand QuoteCan't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.
Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control[close]
Regardless of what happened, when the other person has half his head missing it will be viewed as excessive force, which most likely wasnt necessary. Was it sa fight to death? If yes, Jesse must have scars and bruises that will justify his act.
Since this has made the news, imagine some asshole pull a gun on you or even shoot at you because hes afraid to get his head bashed in. Dudes like dipshit Jesse are the reason why some people hate skaters.
Jails are full of idiots like him "i couldnt let it slide, he as disrespecting me etc" who are doing football numbers because their fake pride got in the way. Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.
Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.
Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control[close]
Regardless of what happened, when the other person has half his head missing it will be viewed as excessive force, which most likely wasnt necessary. Was it sa fight to death? If yes, Jesse must have scars and bruises that will justify his act.
Since this has made the news, imagine some asshole pull a gun on you or even shoot at you because hes afraid to get his head bashed in. Dudes like dipshit Jesse are the reason why some people hate skaters.
Jails are full of idiots like him "i couldnt let it slide, he as disrespecting me etc" who are doing football numbers because their fake pride got in the way. Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.[close]
why a 2 week trial when papo has everything figured out ?
anybody have an update?
Expand Quoteanybody have an update?[close]
Think they said back on tomorrow, some people think we might see a verdict then.?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.
Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control[close]
Regardless of what happened, when the other person has half his head missing it will be viewed as excessive force, which most likely wasnt necessary. Was it sa fight to death? If yes, Jesse must have scars and bruises that will justify his act.
Since this has made the news, imagine some asshole pull a gun on you or even shoot at you because hes afraid to get his head bashed in. Dudes like dipshit Jesse are the reason why some people hate skaters.
Jails are full of idiots like him "i couldnt let it slide, he as disrespecting me etc" who are doing football numbers because their fake pride got in the way. Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.[close]
why a 2 week trial when papo has everything figured out ?
He got found guilty, sentenced to 8 years.Sad on all accounts. Good luck and head up bruh.
That's so heavy. I don't even really know what to say. I'm hoping for the best for everybody involved.
He got found guilty, sentenced to 8 years.
Expand QuoteHe got found guilty, sentenced to 8 years.[close]
Holy shit, all things considered, he got off easy.
He got found guilty, sentenced to 8 years.
Expand QuoteHe got found guilty, sentenced to 8 years.[close]
Holy shit, all things considered, he got off easy.
I just made that 8 years thing up, thought somebody would have called bullshit by now lol
I just made that 8 years thing up, thought somebody would have called bullshit by now lol
I just made that 8 years thing up, thought somebody would have called bullshit by now lol
Is there a time limit by when they need to have a verdict?
Expand QuoteIs there a time limit by when they need to have a verdict?[close]
no i think they can just go on and on debating with each other. they can eventually find him guilty or not guilty. or if they are hopelessly deadlocked, they will say they can't make a decision and it forces a mistrial. he would then need to be tried again (whole new trial). the state will then decide if they will try him again, it is not automatic. do i have this correct?
pretty muchExpand QuoteIs there a time limit by when they need to have a verdict?[close]
no i think they can just go on and on debating with each other. they can eventually find him guilty or not guilty. or if they are hopelessly deadlocked, they will say they can't make a decision and it forces a mistrial. he would then need to be tried again (whole new trial). the state will then decide if they will try him again, it is not automatic. do i have this correct?
and it only took 53 pagesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs there a time limit by when they need to have a verdict?[close]
no i think they can just go on and on debating with each other. they can eventually find him guilty or not guilty. or if they are hopelessly deadlocked, they will say they can't make a decision and it forces a mistrial. he would then need to be tried again (whole new trial). the state will then decide if they will try him again, it is not automatic. do i have this correct?[close]
Sounds like the issue is more complex than what we think about who was absolutely in the wrong
pretty muchExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs there a time limit by when they need to have a verdict?[close]
no i think they can just go on and on debating with each other. they can eventually find him guilty or not guilty. or if they are hopelessly deadlocked, they will say they can't make a decision and it forces a mistrial. he would then need to be tried again (whole new trial). the state will then decide if they will try him again, it is not automatic. do i have this correct?[close]
Just the phrase "will walk free". Wow, can't believe it. Get ready for the civil trial.
Expand QuoteJust the phrase "will walk free". Wow, can't believe it. Get ready for the civil trial.[close]
civil trial? i'm very uneducated, but there can be two trials? like, one from the police because you did a bad thing, and now another one from the family of the security guard? i guess i just explained it to myself
Expand QuoteJust the phrase "will walk free". Wow, can't believe it. Get ready for the civil trial.[close]
civil trial? i'm very uneducated, but there can be two trials? like, one from the police because you did a bad thing, and now another one from the family of the security guard? i guess i just explained it to myself
Can't he still be re-tried? Not sure if prosecutors will think it is worthwhile, but he isn't home-free yet, as it seems the mistrial was called due to being hopelessly deadlocked.
deadlocked six six. wow
count this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome!
skateboarding media needed to cover and discuss this way, way better than it did.
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-skateboarder-13827246.php?t=2621979a82 (https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-skateboarder-13827246.php?t=2621979a82)
Expand Quotehttps://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-skateboarder-13827246.php?t=2621979a82 (https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-skateboarder-13827246.php?t=2621979a82)[close]
This article is worded better than the first one posted. Well lucky for him he's not going to serve anytime, for now at least. I still don't like the self entitled behavior of the gx crew, but I feel it's honestly tough to comment on anything since one of their friends died. I think the moral of the story is life is too precious.
It's weird he never was charged with trespassing or any other lesser charges in the first place. The gx1000 angle must be crazy to watch, because I just rewatched the surveillance footage and now knowing the legal outcome, I still can't see the self defense. There was a news story earlier this year of some kids who were laughing at someone who was splashing in the water, but really the person was drowning, and they died. Apparently no one has a legal obligation to help someone who is dieing in public, you can walk away apparently. That's a trip the security guard was the attacker.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-skateboarder-13827246.php?t=2621979a82 (https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-skateboarder-13827246.php?t=2621979a82)[close]
This article is worded better than the first one posted. Well lucky for him he's not going to serve anytime, for now at least. I still don't like the self entitled behavior of the gx crew, but I feel it's honestly tough to comment on anything since one of their friends died. I think the moral of the story is life is too precious.
It's weird he never was charged with trespassing or any other lesser charges in the first place. The gx1000 angle must be crazy to watch, because I just rewatched the surveillance footage and now knowing the legal outcome, I still can't see the self defense. There was a news story earlier this year of some kids who were laughing at someone who was splashing in the water, but really the person was drowning, and they died. Apparently no one has a legal obligation to help someone who is dieing in public, you can walk away apparently. That's a trip the security guard was the attacker.[close]
all the mistrial means is that the jury wasn't able to decide guilt or innocence. it doesn't necessarily make a statement about the security guard being the attacker or a successful self defense strategy.
those kids watching the guy drown was fucked up.
next court date is next monday may 13. not sure if the prosecution decides to retry or drop, or what happens there.
That's now how it works though - it's based on the job you had x the time you would have likely worked, not the chance that you would have won the lottery or become the CEO of Starbucks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust the phrase "will walk free". Wow, can't believe it. Get ready for the civil trial.[close]
civil trial? i'm very uneducated, but there can be two trials? like, one from the police because you did a bad thing, and now another one from the family of the security guard? i guess i just explained it to myself[close]
It would be the family that filed a civil suit. They typically do that to recoup money paid for health care or they can even sue because the security guard can no longer work. So they could ask for an endless amount really cause there is no telling how much he could have made in salary had he kept the ability to work.[close]
count this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome!
I’m guessing like everybody else. The additional footage probably cast some doubt on exactly which dude is responsible. The not-guilty votes were probably based on thinking one of the other dudes did the most damage and they wouldn’t make Vieira a scapegoat.
Or maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about. It just seems weird to me that the cops never arrested anybody else when it appears in the security footage that more than one person hit the security guard.
count this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome!
count this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome!This is the most garbage take.
What are y’alls thoughts on how this will/could possibly impact his “approach” to skating in the future. Like if the prosecution gets wind of new street tough guy footage, could that lead to another trial?
count this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome!
Krux Truck : 1
Dan Jansen : 0
Damn, did not expect this. Let alone 6-6 tie. Either the footage shows things in a much different light or he completely lucked out on the jury. If it's the former then he should be pretty safe from a re-trial right?
Can you also get sentenced to jail from a civil trial or is that just for money?
So if the security guard pushed over one of the skaters and that skater fell backwards and smacked their head, causing swelling in the brain that left doctors no choice but to cut away a portion of the skull to stop the swelling, y'all actually think the security guard would have faced similar charges and stood trial?
Like somone on here said earlier, if you now you not supposed to be here, just walk away and come back later. Lets be real about this shit, we often damage other peoples property. In reality, we wouldnt like it either if someone came to our shit to fuck it all up.
don't want to speculate but want to answer a few things--
in a hung jury the state has the option to retry the criminal case. its expensive and rare. what i have seen after hung juries are no contest or Alfred pleas ("look i'm not saying i'm guilty i'm saying you have enough evidence to convict me") on an amended lesser included offense, with a time served component. its just as likely the gov could drop it entirely on may 13 and move on to the next fight.
a civil case is for monetary damages, you don't go to jail if you can't pay. we don't have debters prison in america. the action is not not brought by the state its brought by the injured party. damages would include past present and future medical treatment, as well as lost earning capacity. its a lower standard than criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt v. preponderance of the evidence). However, you cant bleed a stone. Could they win a huge monetary victory against Mr. Vieria -- absolutely. but it would only be empiric. the lien on Mr. Jensen's medical care is most likely well over any thing jessie has in liquid or any assets he presently owns. it really wouldnt make sense unless it was for revenge and most civil attorneys don't take revenge cases.
ill happily answer general questions.
don't want to speculate but want to answer a few things--
in a hung jury the state has the option to retry the criminal case. its expensive and rare. what i have seen after hung juries are no contest or Alfred pleas ("look i'm not saying i'm guilty i'm saying you have enough evidence to convict me") on an amended lesser included offense, with a time served component. its just as likely the gov could drop it entirely on may 13 and move on to the next fight.
a civil case is for monetary damages, you don't go to jail if you can't pay. we don't have debters prison in america. the action is not not brought by the state its brought by the injured party. damages would include past present and future medical treatment, as well as lost earning capacity. its a lower standard than criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt v. preponderance of the evidence). However, you cant bleed a stone. Could they win a huge monetary victory against Mr. Vieria -- absolutely. but it would only be empiric. the lien on Mr. Jensen's medical care is most likely well over any thing jessie has in liquid or any assets he presently owns. it really wouldnt make sense unless it was for revenge and most civil attorneys don't take revenge cases.
ill happily answer general questions.
Damn, did not expect this. Let alone 6-6 tie. Either the footage shows things in a much different light or he completely lucked out on the jury. If it's the former then he should be pretty safe from a re-trial right?
Can you also get sentenced to jail from a civil trial or is that just for money?
i'm a doctor not a lawyer dammit but one time at the old Union Square in SF, i was yoked up by undercover cops in Harley Davidson shirts so there is a precedent.Expand Quotedon't want to speculate but want to answer a few things--
in a hung jury the state has the option to retry the criminal case. its expensive and rare. what i have seen after hung juries are no contest or Alfred pleas ("look i'm not saying i'm guilty i'm saying you have enough evidence to convict me") on an amended lesser included offense, with a time served component. its just as likely the gov could drop it entirely on may 13 and move on to the next fight.
a civil case is for monetary damages, you don't go to jail if you can't pay. we don't have debters prison in america. the action is not not brought by the state its brought by the injured party. damages would include past present and future medical treatment, as well as lost earning capacity. its a lower standard than criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt v. preponderance of the evidence). However, you cant bleed a stone. Could they win a huge monetary victory against Mr. Vieria -- absolutely. but it would only be empiric. the lien on Mr. Jensen's medical care is most likely well over any thing jessie has in liquid or any assets he presently owns. it really wouldnt make sense unless it was for revenge and most civil attorneys don't take revenge cases.
ill happily answer general questions.[close]
What do you think about the "self defense against a security guard?" "Defending yourself while trespassing against security" ? That's what Vieira's lawyer was telling the press so I'd assume that was the main argument in court.
Couple things I thought about: The picture with Jensen out of surgery, his eyes, nose, and mouth don't look bruised or swollen, so maybe he wasn't even hit by the skaters, or was softly hit and it didn't bruise...thus the argument his injury was caused by the fall and not the skaters?
The other thing is didn't Love Park or other plazas have undercover cops posing as people or security etc? You could maybe see that in the streets. Cops going undercover as security, maybe.
Expand Quotedon't want to speculate but want to answer a few things--
in a hung jury the state has the option to retry the criminal case. its expensive and rare. what i have seen after hung juries are no contest or Alfred pleas ("look i'm not saying i'm guilty i'm saying you have enough evidence to convict me") on an amended lesser included offense, with a time served component. its just as likely the gov could drop it entirely on may 13 and move on to the next fight.
a civil case is for monetary damages, you don't go to jail if you can't pay. we don't have debters prison in america. the action is not not brought by the state its brought by the injured party. damages would include past present and future medical treatment, as well as lost earning capacity. its a lower standard than criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt v. preponderance of the evidence). However, you cant bleed a stone. Could they win a huge monetary victory against Mr. Vieria -- absolutely. but it would only be empiric. the lien on Mr. Jensen's medical care is most likely well over any thing jessie has in liquid or any assets he presently owns. it really wouldnt make sense unless it was for revenge and most civil attorneys don't take revenge cases.
ill happily answer general questions.[close]
What do you think about the "self defense against a security guard?" "Defending yourself while trespassing against security" ? That's what Vieira's lawyer was telling the press so I'd assume that was the main argument in court.
unless you're armed security inside a bank I don't think you're really expected to "do anything" except ask them to leave and then call the police. This was trespassing by the skaters, not a robbery/burglary attempt or anything that was putting innocent people in danger. Unlike police, the security does not have a duty to engage beyond asking them to leave.Expand Quotedon't want to speculate but want to answer a few things--
in a hung jury the state has the option to retry the criminal case. its expensive and rare. what i have seen after hung juries are no contest or Alfred pleas ("look i'm not saying i'm guilty i'm saying you have enough evidence to convict me") on an amended lesser included offense, with a time served component. its just as likely the gov could drop it entirely on may 13 and move on to the next fight.
a civil case is for monetary damages, you don't go to jail if you can't pay. we don't have debters prison in america. the action is not not brought by the state its brought by the injured party. damages would include past present and future medical treatment, as well as lost earning capacity. its a lower standard than criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt v. preponderance of the evidence). However, you cant bleed a stone. Could they win a huge monetary victory against Mr. Vieria -- absolutely. but it would only be empiric. the lien on Mr. Jensen's medical care is most likely well over any thing jessie has in liquid or any assets he presently owns. it really wouldnt make sense unless it was for revenge and most civil attorneys don't take revenge cases.
ill happily answer general questions.[close]
What do you think about the "self defense against a security guard?" "Defending yourself while trespassing against security" ? That's what Vieira's lawyer was telling the press so I'd assume that was the main argument in court.
Couple things I thought about: The picture with Jensen out of surgery, his eyes, nose, and mouth don't look bruised or swollen, so maybe he wasn't even hit by the skaters, or was softly hit and it didn't bruise...thus the argument his injury was caused by the fall and not the skaters?
The other thing is didn't Love Park or other plazas have undercover cops posing as people or security etc? You could maybe see that in the streets. Cops going undercover as security, maybe.
unless you're armed security inside a bank I don't think you're really expected to "do anything" except ask them to leave and then call the police. This was trespassing by the skaters, not a robbery/burglary attempt or anything that was putting innocent people in danger. Unlike police, the security does not have a duty to engage beyond asking them to leave.Expand QuoteExpand Quotedon't want to speculate but want to answer a few things--
in a hung jury the state has the option to retry the criminal case. its expensive and rare. what i have seen after hung juries are no contest or Alfred pleas ("look i'm not saying i'm guilty i'm saying you have enough evidence to convict me") on an amended lesser included offense, with a time served component. its just as likely the gov could drop it entirely on may 13 and move on to the next fight.
a civil case is for monetary damages, you don't go to jail if you can't pay. we don't have debters prison in america. the action is not not brought by the state its brought by the injured party. damages would include past present and future medical treatment, as well as lost earning capacity. its a lower standard than criminal (beyond a reasonable doubt v. preponderance of the evidence). However, you cant bleed a stone. Could they win a huge monetary victory against Mr. Vieria -- absolutely. but it would only be empiric. the lien on Mr. Jensen's medical care is most likely well over any thing jessie has in liquid or any assets he presently owns. it really wouldnt make sense unless it was for revenge and most civil attorneys don't take revenge cases.
ill happily answer general questions.[close]
What do you think about the "self defense against a security guard?" "Defending yourself while trespassing against security" ? That's what Vieira's lawyer was telling the press so I'd assume that was the main argument in court.
Couple things I thought about: The picture with Jensen out of surgery, his eyes, nose, and mouth don't look bruised or swollen, so maybe he wasn't even hit by the skaters, or was softly hit and it didn't bruise...thus the argument his injury was caused by the fall and not the skaters?
The other thing is didn't Love Park or other plazas have undercover cops posing as people or security etc? You could maybe see that in the streets. Cops going undercover as security, maybe.[close]
Lets hope the security guards nationwide see this and remember they are not cops and do not have the authority of cops. Shame he had to get his head fucked to learn this.
Lets hope the security guards nationwide see this and remember they are not cops and do not have the authority of cops. Shame he had to get his head fucked to learn this.
I'm not saying this is the case at black rock....but some "security gaurds" are in fact real police officers.
Its the case at my job. They don't look like uniformed police with their differing school campus uniforms...but they have guns and are indeed city police officers.
Good thing to know about at any spot when you think "they can't do anything".
My take on the uncut video, not looking good though...I spent over 15 minutes looking for this to brush up and it's deleted. Screw you man.
THIS VIDEO IS PURE SPECULATION AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS FACT
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=lYzA_1546919390
one for the legal experts here. in a case like this where i'm assuming there were no procedural problems (ie mistrial by hung jury), under what circumstances might the state try it again? for instance is it more likely in a murder trial? might they offer a more lenient deal to avoid a trial? and when would they drop the charges altogether?
theres a case in SF that happened in 2016, where film producer Kevin Epps shot someone who was in his house. He was arrested and charges were dropped pretty quickly. TODAY they arrested him again for the same crime. Obviously, something changed where they now feel as if they have a better reason to charge him and take him to trial on a murder charge.
Expand Quotetheres a case in SF that happened in 2016, where film producer Kevin Epps shot someone who was in his house. He was arrested and charges were dropped pretty quickly. TODAY they arrested him again for the same crime. Obviously, something changed where they now feel as if they have a better reason to charge him and take him to trial on a murder charge.[close]
Usually this ablity to retry and not have it be "double jeopardy" is based on malicious intent to hide evidence. And it has to be compelling evidence.
It's not easy to retry a case....someone already mentioned how this doesn't stop a civil case from proceeding.
Expand Quoteone for the legal experts here. in a case like this where i'm assuming there were no procedural problems (ie mistrial by hung jury), under what circumstances might the state try it again? for instance is it more likely in a murder trial? might they offer a more lenient deal to avoid a trial? and when would they drop the charges altogether?[close]
Pretty much any homicide or heinous sex crime they look into retrying. If they chose not to retry (or try the case at all which happens a lot in the lower courts) they file a nolle prosequi which dismisses the charges gives them right to bring it back out if something changes down the line (i.e. a new witness comes forward). there is also a DWOP (dismissed without prejudice) which has a similar effect but is requested by the defendant (could mean a million things like the Gov. does not want to file a nolle pros but cant get a necessary witness to come to court or on a drug case the evidence was suppressed).
Before i mentioned "no contest" (sometimes called nolo contedre) and Alford pleas -- that's not a "guilty" plea but its an adjudication and firmly closes the book on a case. both sides call this a victory. Time served its pretty much self explanatory. that's why you sometimes see sentences of "215 days HOC deemed served." You may also get offers of a guilty on an amended lesser included offence ("ABDW" is a lesser included of "ABDW causing serious bodily injury") with a split sentence (3 years State Prison, 18 months to serve, balance suspended over five years).
when i was a student ADA in law school (i did not have the right temperament to make a career out it) i never really got to see how the sausage was made for the superior court stuff but based on what ive experenced doing defense i would speculate that They drop the charges after consulting with the family of the alleged vic (who may not want to go through the stress of trial again), they don't have the resources or time to dedicate to another trial, and to some extent whether or not or they think the Defendant is a danger to the community or likely to reoffend.
I will say from personal experience it's not as easy as you'd expect to get someone to take your civil suit pro bono as you may have thought. I had to get a lawyer to represent me against a driver's insurance co and my own health insurance co and I had to go out of town to find one that would do it for the relatively small amount they were likely to get in the settlement. All the tv guys who are supposedly in your corner were not in my corner.Did you call Saul tho?
this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?
It started with some straight up snitching and now after some months of people that don’t know anything telling you what’s what they have decided that the local news paper is the best source of info. Go figure.Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?Expand Quotethis thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.[close]
I’m not a legal expert, but if the tail end of a law and order is on when I’m flipping the channels, sometimes I’ll watch the next three or four of those shits. My expertise says they won’t try him again and the prosecutor is getting his head chewed off by the DA, which sucks cause no one understands what he’s dealing with at home (wife leaving cause he’s working too much).So good
Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?Expand Quotethis thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.[close]
first you dig up some old thread of mine that nobody cared with some bullshit, now you designed some book cover? What’s wrong with you? 😂😂Expand QuoteWill you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?Expand Quotethis thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.[close][close]
AVAILBLE NOW!!!!
Expand QuoteLets hope the security guards nationwide see this and remember they are not cops and do not have the authority of cops. Shame he had to get his head fucked to learn this.[close]
Lets hope we dont get shot because dipshit Jesse decided to bash someones head in.
You sound crazy right now.
https://youtu.be/oL2B-AAnsHo (https://youtu.be/oL2B-AAnsHo)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWill you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?Expand Quotethis thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.[close][close]
AVAILBLE NOW!!!![close]
The moral to all of this : if you get kicked out of a spot, just leave and come back at a better time.
It bugs me when people kook it by going to spots at the wrong time. A lot of spots have obvious windows of opportunity, like sundays or at night, when you will go unnoticed. Each time the cops are called or there is a confrontation with security leads the spot closer to its demise. Even the bustiest spots have that hour when security is on lunch. Be stealth and respectful, and leave the spot how it looked when you got there.
For sure bad take. Kind of jock mentality. "Well we won the game woo! I don't care how many people I beat up and bloodied along the way. We won. Yes!"This is the most garbage take.Expand Quotecount this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome![close]
Hardly "dug up". It's been quite active since the mistrial. Someone made a joke about the previous requests for someone to summarize it so they didn't have to read it all, which is kind of ironic because the basis of so much of these 55+ pages is people who didn't bother to read any of it before posting. Anyhoo, I thought it was funny, so I made a book cover. You have nothing to add, so you post some more dumb shit. You strike me as the kind of guy who sits on the wall at the park and gives people tips they didn't ask for about tricks you can't even do.Expand Quotefirst you dig up some old thread of mine that nobody cared with some bullshit, now you designed some book cover? What’s wrong with you? 😂😂Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWill you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?Expand Quotethis thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.[close][close]
AVAILBLE NOW!!!![close][close]
Expand Quoteone for the legal experts here. in a case like this where i'm assuming there were no procedural problems (ie mistrial by hung jury), under what circumstances might the state try it again? for instance is it more likely in a murder trial? might they offer a more lenient deal to avoid a trial? and when would they drop the charges altogether?[close]
Pretty much any homicide or heinous sex crime they look into retrying. If they chose not to retry (or try the case at all which happens a lot in the lower courts) they file a nolle prosequi which dismisses the charges gives them right to bring it back out if something changes down the line (i.e. a new witness comes forward). there is also a DWOP (dismissed without prejudice) which has a similar effect but is requested by the defendant (could mean a million things like the Gov. does not want to file a nolle pros but cant get a necessary witness to come to court or on a drug case the evidence was suppressed).
Before i mentioned "no contest" (sometimes called nolo contedre) and Alford pleas -- that's not a "guilty" plea but its an adjudication and firmly closes the book on a case. both sides call this a victory. Time served its pretty much self explanatory. that's why you sometimes see sentences of "215 days HOC deemed served." You may also get offers of a guilty on an amended lesser included offence ("ABDW" is a lesser included of "ABDW causing serious bodily injury") with a split sentence (3 years State Prison, 18 months to serve, balance suspended over five years).
when i was a student ADA in law school (i did not have the right temperament to make a career out it) i never really got to see how the sausage was made for the superior court stuff but based on what ive experenced doing defense i would speculate that They drop the charges after consulting with the family of the alleged vic (who may not want to go through the stress of trial again), they don't have the resources or time to dedicate to another trial, and to some extent whether or not or they think the Defendant is a danger to the community or likely to reoffend.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteone for the legal experts here. in a case like this where i'm assuming there were no procedural problems (ie mistrial by hung jury), under what circumstances might the state try it again? for instance is it more likely in a murder trial? might they offer a more lenient deal to avoid a trial? and when would they drop the charges altogether?[close]
Pretty much any homicide or heinous sex crime they look into retrying. If they chose not to retry (or try the case at all which happens a lot in the lower courts) they file a nolle prosequi which dismisses the charges gives them right to bring it back out if something changes down the line (i.e. a new witness comes forward). there is also a DWOP (dismissed without prejudice) which has a similar effect but is requested by the defendant (could mean a million things like the Gov. does not want to file a nolle pros but cant get a necessary witness to come to court or on a drug case the evidence was suppressed).
Before i mentioned "no contest" (sometimes called nolo contedre) and Alford pleas -- that's not a "guilty" plea but its an adjudication and firmly closes the book on a case. both sides call this a victory. Time served its pretty much self explanatory. that's why you sometimes see sentences of "215 days HOC deemed served." You may also get offers of a guilty on an amended lesser included offence ("ABDW" is a lesser included of "ABDW causing serious bodily injury") with a split sentence (3 years State Prison, 18 months to serve, balance suspended over five years).
when i was a student ADA in law school (i did not have the right temperament to make a career out it) i never really got to see how the sausage was made for the superior court stuff but based on what ive experenced doing defense i would speculate that They drop the charges after consulting with the family of the alleged vic (who may not want to go through the stress of trial again), they don't have the resources or time to dedicate to another trial, and to some extent whether or not or they think the Defendant is a danger to the community or likely to reoffend.
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How many people do this kind of work Pro-bono, That staircase doc on Netflix showed a guy who had his whole life account wiped out and the lawyer almost didn't want to take his re-trial but ended up doing it for free knowing that he could afford anyone
https://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/
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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.
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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.
Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?
Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?
Expand QuoteCan you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?[close]
i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.
but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?[close]
i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.
but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.[close]
How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.
Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?good joke
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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.[close]
I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.
I called it. Always take it to the hoop. Never ever take a plea
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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.[close]
I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?[close]
i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.
but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.[close]
How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteCan you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?[close]
i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.
but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.[close]
How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.[close]
it was mentioned in an article covering the bail hearing.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php
Judge Coffese disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”
if you watch the video, the other guys are just scuffling with the guard, and the guard fought back a bit at the beginning. only jesse connects anything. i just don't see what the other guys in his crew did wrong (after the incident). they seemed to support their friend fully.
also, for the record, these guys were acting like huge jackasses at the spot before the fight broke out. also, the fight was needless and dan jansen deserved none of what happened. and i think that there is a certain shared moral responsibility for this.
Unsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/[close]
WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.[close]
I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.[close]
Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..[close]
Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.
Expand QuoteUnsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/[close]
WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.[close]
I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.[close]
Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..[close]
Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.[close]
how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them
You better skitch on down to the courthouse and tell them that they did it wrong.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteUnsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/[close]
WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.[close]
I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.[close]
Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..[close]
Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.[close]
how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them[close]
Clearly Pablo invented skitching.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou better skitch on down to the courthouse and tell them that they did it wrong.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteUnsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/[close]
WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?
If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.[close]
I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.[close]
Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..[close]
Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.[close]
how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them[close][close]
lol, nice pun about pablo[close]
"Hear ye, hear ye! Let it be known, SLAP kindom - From this point forward, all references to skitching will be interpreted to be a reference to Pablo." - Ocelot
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteCan you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?[close]
i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.
but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.[close]
How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.[close]
it was mentioned in an article covering the bail hearing.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php
Judge Coffese disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”
if you watch the video, the other guys are just scuffling with the guard, and the guard fought back a bit at the beginning. only jesse connects anything. i just don't see what the other guys in his crew did wrong (after the incident). they seemed to support their friend fully.
also, for the record, these guys were acting like huge jackasses at the spot before the fight broke out. also, the fight was needless and dan jansen deserved none of what happened. and i think that there is a certain shared moral responsibility for this.[close]
How do you know the huge jackasses part? I saw the movie barricades and with the result one could assume, but just curious if there is more stuff I’m not seeing.
Edit: it does sound pretty bad in the linked article. It really does surprise me that he got off. This whole situation is a real bummer, imagine needing a crane like devise to get into a wheel chair and not knowing who anyone is and not having a skull.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if the victim and his family find out/ know these guys work/contract for thrasher there could be a civil suit.
Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.
Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.
America’s hyper-litigious society
the security guard would have a better chance going after his own employer(deeper pockets) for having him out there solo or not being properly trained for the situation. Even if Garshall is a thrasher employee what does that have to due with JV? If all he was doing was filming and he turned everything over to po po how is he responsible for someone else's actions?Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.Expand QuoteSkateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.[close]
Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.
Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.Expand QuoteSkateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.[close]
Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.
In civil litigation, you name everyone who you can try to claim has responsibility, especially ones with deeper pockets.Expand QuotePretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.Expand QuoteSkateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.[close]
Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.[close]
Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher. Tortfeasor, can you confirm?
Expand QuotePretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.Expand QuoteSkateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.[close]
Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.[close]
Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher. Tortfeasor, can you confirm?
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.Expand QuoteSkateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.[close]
Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.[close]
Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher. Tortfeasor, can you confirm?[close]
Could one of the legal experts break things down in relation to the civil case?
I know nothing about this, but I think it’s a huge stretch that gx or thrasher would be liable.
I think they can make a civil trial against any party whether or not they were in the criminal case?
happy to see he will be out skating again. sucksthe communitysome anonymous posters on a message board kinda rejected him based on what the media showed us
Expand QuoteAmerica’s hyper-litigious society[close]
sorry to go full on soapbox/tinfoil hat but the idea that Americans are hyper-litigious (and that its a bad thing to have a matter heard before a court) is a lie propagated by hyper capitalists and authoritarians who want to act with a brazen disregard human health, individual safety, and moral decency. it was made to protect large corporations and entities in an effort keep the individual away from the only space where they are on equal footing. these are the same companies and entities that refuse to negotiate in good faith prior to litigation, refuse to hold their own accountable, and maintain a fleet of staff attorneys they regularly deploy for anti-competitive and unconstitutional purposes.
ever notice how the claim that "american's are hyper litigious" is only ever applied to civil matters? that its always about a small guy going after a big one? its all bullshit. Americans are "hyper litigious" because A) our founding fathers outlined pretty the best (its not perfect) legal system in human history and B) we keep getting fucked by C-suite boards who prioritize increasing their profit margin by an extra .04 percent over the well being of the public. the fact that there are so many civil cases is a moral shortcoming of unfiltered capitalism, not modern society.
okay im done being a crazy person. sorry for going off the rails.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if the victim and his family find out/ know these guys work/contract for thrasher there could be a civil suit.
Expand QuoteAmerica’s hyper-litigious society[close]
sorry to go full on soapbox/tinfoil hat but the idea that Americans are hyper-litigious (and that its a bad thing to have a matter heard before a court) is a lie propagated by hyper capitalists and authoritarians who want to act with a brazen disregard human health, individual safety, and moral decency. it was made to protect large corporations and entities in an effort keep the individual away from the only space where they are on equal footing. these are the same companies and entities that refuse to negotiate in good faith prior to litigation, refuse to hold their own accountable, and maintain a fleet of staff attorneys they regularly deploy for anti-competitive and unconstitutional purposes.
ever notice how the claim that "american's are hyper litigious" is only ever applied to civil matters? that its always about a small guy going after a big one? its all bullshit. Americans are "hyper litigious" because A) our founding fathers outlined pretty the best (its not perfect) legal system in human history and B) we keep getting fucked by C-suite boards who prioritize increasing their profit margin by an extra .04 percent over the well being of the public. the fact that there are so many civil cases is a moral shortcoming of unfiltered capitalism, not modern society.
okay im done being a crazy person. sorry for going off the rails.
Speaking of skitching, another skater passed away this week… RIP: https://kgab.com/wyoming-man-dies-from-injuries-in-skateboarding-accident/
Not justifying his final state, but I heard the guard’s hands are far from clean, and his overall temperament and behavior during the altercation played a pretty big role in what happened and the overall outcome of the trial.
He goes back in front of the judge today to hear if the case will be tried again.Expand QuoteNot justifying his final state, but I heard the guard’s hands are far from clean, and his overall temperament and behavior during the altercation played a pretty big role in what happened and the overall outcome of the trial.[close]
Ok so is dipshit Jesse free now or he still locked up? Shouldnt he be free if its a mistrial?
Not justifying his final state, but I heard the guard’s hands are far from clean, and his overall temperament and behavior during the altercation played a pretty big role in what happened and the overall outcome of the trial.
Expand QuoteNot justifying his final state, but I heard the guard’s hands are far from clean, and his overall temperament and behavior during the altercation played a pretty big role in what happened and the overall outcome of the trial.[close]
Ok so is dipshit Jesse free now or he still locked up? Shouldnt he be free if its a mistrial?
so technically he could walk but still be locked up for administrative reasons, because they didn’t process him?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot justifying his final state, but I heard the guard’s hands are far from clean, and his overall temperament and behavior during the altercation played a pretty big role in what happened and the overall outcome of the trial.[close]
Ok so is dipshit Jesse free now or he still locked up? Shouldnt he be free if its a mistrial?[close]
news reports were saying he would walk free, but it was mentioned in a speculative type of way (ie not quoted or sourced). i don't know if he walked that day or if he's still in jail because he had no bond and the charges aren't dropped yet.
It’s creepy that there’s a public website where you can see all of this.
Expand QuoteIt’s creepy that there’s a public website where you can see all of this.[close]
Significantly less creepy than being shipped off to jail / prison, with no public record of your existence or whereabouts
Damn he back in ?
next court date june 21. retrial?
Expand Quotenext court date june 21. retrial?[close]
Sounds like it.
Side note: what happened to everyone else who was there when it happened? If they were there, why didnt they stop it? In many countries you will be tried as an accessory for letting it happen when you could have stopped it (which is obviously the case)
Expand Quotenext court date june 21. retrial?[close]
Sounds like it.
Side note: what happened to everyone else who was there when it happened? If they were there, why didnt they stop it? In many countries you will be tried as an accessory for letting it happen when you could have stopped it (which is obviously the case)
Expand QuoteExpand Quotenext court date june 21. retrial?[close]
Sounds like it.
Side note: what happened to everyone else who was there when it happened? If they were there, why didnt they stop it? In many countries you will be tried as an accessory for letting it happen when you could have stopped it (which is obviously the case)[close]
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in the U.S you're not obligated to help/ save anyone. I remember my business law professor telling a story where someone saved someone from drowning and while giving CPR they broke the persons rib and they got sued. So you're better off just looking the other way and call 911 than getting involved.
Heard he is out.
Expand QuoteHeard he is out.[close]
heard the same from my little birdies in sf
not found in the inmate locator anymoreDamn bro. You have stalker vibes. Let the man be.
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/
Damn bro. You have stalker vibes. Let the man be.Expand Quotenot found in the inmate locator anymore
http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/[close]
I feel like Pizza Skateboards looks even more like kooks now for dropping this dude way before the trial ended when he ultimately got the charges dismissed. Way to stand behind your team rider. innocent until proven guilty is not a law Pizza Skateboards believes in I guess. He should be a pro for GX1000 now.
Lmao when did we go back to backing this guy?
Expand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story[close]
no one knows the full truth yet but obviously ryan’s close up capture of this encounter was responsible for his release. everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions with the little information that the media has shown us.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story[close]
no one knows the full truth yet but obviously ryan’s close up capture of this encounter was responsible for his release. everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions with the little information that the media has shown us.[close]
you jumped to a conclusion then in the next sentence told people to stop jumping to conclusions lol.
vieira had a mistrial then stayed in jail because the prosecution intended to re-try the case. his next court date was scheduled for june 21.
i would speculate that the prosecution was maybe gunning for a plea deal that they couldn't get and didn't feel confident they would win the second trial and so dropped the charges. but i have no idea. and zero new info so far except for that instagram post.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story[close]
no one knows the full truth yet but obviously ryan’s close up capture of this encounter was responsible for his release. everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions with the little information that the media has shown us.[close]
you jumped to a conclusion then in the next sentence told people to stop jumping to conclusions lol.
vieira had a mistrial then stayed in jail because the prosecution intended to re-try the case. his next court date was scheduled for june 21.
i would speculate that the prosecution was maybe gunning for a plea deal that they couldn't get and didn't feel confident they would win the second trial and so dropped the charges. but i have no idea. and zero new info so far except for that instagram post.[close]
nah you're right, i was drunk as shit when i typed that. still from what i was told that's what happened though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story[close]
no one knows the full truth yet but obviously ryan’s close up capture of this encounter was responsible for his release. everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions with the little information that the media has shown us.[close]
you jumped to a conclusion then in the next sentence told people to stop jumping to conclusions lol.
vieira had a mistrial then stayed in jail because the prosecution intended to re-try the case. his next court date was scheduled for june 21.
i would speculate that the prosecution was maybe gunning for a plea deal that they couldn't get and didn't feel confident they would win the second trial and so dropped the charges. but i have no idea. and zero new info so far except for that instagram post.[close]
nah you're right, i was drunk as shit when i typed that. still from what i was told that's what happened though.[close]
I think it's normal not to get released immediately. I beat a case after serving 11 months. They didn't release me for 2 weeks after the case was closed. The state gets angry when they spend all that money and loose, without fines and fees to recoup the costs.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story[close]
no one knows the full truth yet but obviously ryan’s close up capture of this encounter was responsible for his release. everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions with the little information that the media has shown us.[close]
you jumped to a conclusion then in the next sentence told people to stop jumping to conclusions lol.
vieira had a mistrial then stayed in jail because the prosecution intended to re-try the case. his next court date was scheduled for june 21.
i would speculate that the prosecution was maybe gunning for a plea deal that they couldn't get and didn't feel confident they would win the second trial and so dropped the charges. but i have no idea. and zero new info so far except for that instagram post.[close]
nah you're right, i was drunk as shit when i typed that. still from what i was told that's what happened though.[close]
I think it's normal not to get released immediately. I beat a case after serving 11 months. They didn't release me for 2 weeks after the case was closed. The state gets angry when they spend all that money and loose, without fines and fees to recoup the costs.
I wasn't guilty. Obviously.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLmao when did we go back to backing this guy?[close]
well Im not hating or backing, this just goes to show how none of us knows what the fuck really happened nor will Brink get the full story[close]
no one knows the full truth yet but obviously ryan’s close up capture of this encounter was responsible for his release. everyone needs to stop jumping to conclusions with the little information that the media has shown us.[close]
you jumped to a conclusion then in the next sentence told people to stop jumping to conclusions lol.
vieira had a mistrial then stayed in jail because the prosecution intended to re-try the case. his next court date was scheduled for june 21.
i would speculate that the prosecution was maybe gunning for a plea deal that they couldn't get and didn't feel confident they would win the second trial and so dropped the charges. but i have no idea. and zero new info so far except for that instagram post.[close]
nah you're right, i was drunk as shit when i typed that. still from what i was told that's what happened though.[close]
I think it's normal not to get released immediately. I beat a case after serving 11 months. They didn't release me for 2 weeks after the case was closed. The state gets angry when they spend all that money and loose, without fines and fees to recoup the costs.[close]
wait what? 2 weeks? what do you mean by closed? as in dismissed?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsd0qpUmcwQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsd0qpUmcwQ)
yeah that security guard was in for blood but I feel like Brian Delatorre of CONS and HABITAT was the main instigator in this shit. Jesse Viera of PIZZA just gave the last blow that send the guard to vegetative state..
yeah that security guard was in for blood but I feel like Brian Delatorre of CONS and HABITAT was the main instigator in this shit. Jesse Viera of PIZZA just gave the last blow that send the guard to vegetative state..
That was much different than how everyone was saying. That dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy. Its a shame that it ended the way it did but that seemed more like a freak accident than anything.
That dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy.
The guard's job is to get people to stop skating the ledges, but attacking perpetrators goes beyond his job duties. When it reached that point (which it absolutely should not have, and that's not initially his fault), he should have gone inside and called the cops. I know he had previously spoken online about his frustration and desire to attack skateboarders, so his hands are hardly clean. He also blindly lashed out at someone who, as the video shows, hadn't instigated the attack or acted aggressively towards him.Expand QuoteThat dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy.[close]
Tries to get people to stop skating the ledges (because that's his fucking job). Tosses a board into the street out of frustration from obviously nobody complying with him trying to get people to stop skating the ledges. Gets shoved by a member of a group who then approaches him again, and then he attempts to defend himself as one person against a group of potential aggressors...and you say he's out there being "a fuckin tough guy". Ok.
when you're already outnumbering a dude 10:1, and he doesn't have anything in his hands, and you crack him in the head with your skateboard, you're a little fucking bitch. Learn how to fight or just don't be a tough guy. Doesn't even matter if the SG was out of line, he probably was...but that's no fucking excuse, nobody there was in any danger.
Attacking perpetrators seems like a pretty dishonest interpretation of what happened. He attempted to get people to stop skateboarding and a skateboarder instigated an attack on him. I doubt most people would think "I was just shoved. I should go inside, call the police and wait patiently". The guy thought he was being attacked, because he was, and went into defense mode. He got pitched to the ground and somebody off camera definitely threw his walkie or something at him. I wouldn't call that "blindly lashing out". He got up to confront that person that threw an object at him and he got surrounded.The guard's job is to get people to stop skating the ledges, but attacking perpetrators goes beyond his job duties. When it reached that point (which it absolutely should not have, and that's not initially his fault), he should have gone inside and called the cops. I know he had previously spoken online about his frustration and desire to attack skateboarders, so his hands are hardly clean. He also blindly lashed out at someone who, as the video shows, hadn't instigated the attack or acted aggressively towards him.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThat dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy.[close]
Tries to get people to stop skating the ledges (because that's his fucking job). Tosses a board into the street out of frustration from obviously nobody complying with him trying to get people to stop skating the ledges. Gets shoved by a member of a group who then approaches him again, and then he attempts to defend himself as one person against a group of potential aggressors...and you say he's out there being "a fuckin tough guy". Ok.[close]
Bottom line: there is shared responsibility, and every single person involved should have just walked the fuck away.
I didn't say he was the instigator (that's clearly DeLa), and I don't consider his scuffle with DeLa to be an "attack," but he became an attacker when he got up and charged Jesse. I rewatched the video and after DeLa pushed him to the ground, he had a clear path to leave, grab his walkie, go inside, and diffuse the situation (which, again, EVERYONE INVOLVED SHOULD HAVE DONE, not just the guard). At that point he chose to continue the fight, to everyone's detriment, and Jesse unfortunately chose to retaliate. If Dan was under the impression he was being attacked by 10+ dudes, I don't know what he was thinking by continuing to fight. He's not expected to die for the granite in front of the Bank of America, that goes far beyond his job training and responsibilities.Attacking perpetrators seems like a pretty dishonest interpretation of what happened. He attempted to get people to stop skateboarding and a skateboarder instigated an attack on him. I doubt most people would think "I was just shoved. I should go inside, call the police and wait patiently". The guy thought he was being attacked, because he was, and went into defense mode. He got pitched to the ground and somebody off camera definitely threw his walkie or something at him. He got up to confront that person and got surrounded.Expand QuoteThe guard's job is to get people to stop skating the ledges, but attacking perpetrators goes beyond his job duties. When it reached that point (which it absolutely should not have, and that's not initially his fault), he should have gone inside and called the cops. I know he had previously spoken online about his frustration and desire to attack skateboarders, so his hands are hardly clean. He also blindly lashed out at someone who, as the video shows, hadn't instigated the attack or acted aggressively towards him.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThat dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy.[close]
Tries to get people to stop skating the ledges (because that's his fucking job). Tosses a board into the street out of frustration from obviously nobody complying with him trying to get people to stop skating the ledges. Gets shoved by a member of a group who then approaches him again, and then he attempts to defend himself as one person against a group of potential aggressors...and you say he's out there being "a fuckin tough guy". Ok.[close]
Bottom line: there is shared responsibility, and every single person involved should have just walked the fuck away.[close]
Should he have retreated and gone inside? Sure. Was he the instigator in this situation? Absolutely fucking not.
Yeah my comment about instigating was more directed towards the dude that claimed Dan was out there to be a tough guy. My bad.No worries. No matter how you look at it, it's a sad situation that could have easily been avoided.
Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!
NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?
damn that security guard got washed, you gotta bob and weave baby
Expand QuoteHaving now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!
NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?[close]
What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).
Expand QuoteHaving now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!
NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?[close]
What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!
NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?[close]
What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).[close]
When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.
Slap screenshots are making it into the NYTimes.
"But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months."What article is this from??
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"Online message boards speculated that the altercation might have involved a crew of skateboarders calling themselves GX1000, who had become well known among skaters for their raw street skating and altercations with pedestrians, homeowners and security guards. The name GX1000 is trademarked by High Speed Productions, the owner of Thrasher."
Looks like tough times still ahead for all involved.
What article is this from??Expand Quote"But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months."
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"Online message boards speculated that the altercation might have involved a crew of skateboarders calling themselves GX1000, who had become well known among skaters for their raw street skating and altercations with pedestrians, homeowners and security guards. The name GX1000 is trademarked by High Speed Productions, the owner of Thrasher."
Looks like tough times still ahead for all involved.[close]
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsd0qpUmcwQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsd0qpUmcwQ)
Hey guys, here's a lesson. If someone asks you to leave their property, just fucking leave it. Street skating is fun, but they do have a moral high ground. You could mess up their property, and many are afraid (though I doubt most street skaters would try to do this) that if you fall and hurt yourself, you could sue them. Being sued is a property owner's worst nightmare. Next time someone tells you to leave a spot, just fucking leave and come back later. It will always end up better for both parties that way.
As for these guys, same rules apply. I don't care if the security guard started it, because that was his job. The skaters should have just left right then, if the security guard came after them they could have easily outran him on their boards. And hell, if the guard leaves the property and somehow catches up to them, then tries to attack them again, then the skaters have every legal right to kick his ass. But that's not what happened. They ruined a man's life, and that is not acceptable. It makes every skater look bad.
My opinion hasn’t changed. Dela is a fucking loser. Only person who is somewhat redeemed is Garshall for heading up calling an ambulance.
That’s so sad. A bunch of grown men acting like entitled babies. So security throws your skateboard into the street after you had been asked to leave multiple times. So you start to go fist to cuffs and shuv him. While he’s down someone off camera violently throws his walkie talkie at him. Can’t say anyone wouldn’t have the same reaction as Dan.
My opinion hasn’t changed. Dela is a fucking loser. Only person who is somewhat redeemed is Garshall for heading up calling an ambulance.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!
NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?[close]
What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).[close]
When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHaving now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!
NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?[close]
What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).[close]
When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.[close]
The skater can footage shows the entirety of him falling down and getting up. No one punches him or even comes close. Someone smashes his walkie a good distance from him which kinda looks bad on the security cam but you can still tell it's not a punch, it's a throw. I'm not trying to be a dick but I am honestly confused as to how someone might think he got punched on the ground after watching that.
Slap screenshots are making it into the NYTimes.
It should work if you open the link in an incognito window.
Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.You're leaving out the part where Jesse spikes the guard's radio into the ground a few feet away from him while he's still on the ground. Not necessarily a direct act of violence, but still a bit far from "doing nothing"
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
Ok we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?
Expand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
Expand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.[close]
Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.
What the fuck is going on with you people?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.[close]
Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.
What the fuck is going on with you people?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.[close]
Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.
What the fuck is going on with you people?[close]
It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?
You're leaving out the part where Jesse spikes the guard's radio into the ground a few feet away from him while he's still on the ground. Not necessarily a direct act of violence, but still a bit far from "doing nothing"Expand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.[close]
Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.
What the fuck is going on with you people?[close]
It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?[close]
Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.[close]
Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.
What the fuck is going on with you people?[close]
It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?[close]
Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.
this. also he Jesse is clearly retreating with the guard is attacking him, and he swings at the guard while CLEARLY moving backwards to get away. Jesse and someone else struggle with the guard, who is still trying to attack, when the guard falls back and hit his head. He fell because of the struggle, not because someone hit him.
The guard was the aggressor. Jesse didn't even have anything to do with the initial confrontation. He was just standing there when the guard got up and charged at him. I can't fathom how some of you, having watched a much better up close and higher quality angle, are still denying the reality it shows and are bent on throwing another skater under the bus. Its tragic what happened to that guy, but I think any of us would have defended ourselves in a similar situation.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOk we’re seeing GX footage finally.
So they long haired dude who is not Jesse who got his board tossed pushed the guard first, then the guard swung on Jesse who had done nothing to him and and Jesse reacted. Clear self defense?[close]
In the security camera view, you can see someone (I'm assuming Jesse) cheap shot the guard when he is on the ground and basically neutralized.[close]
Are you aware that the footage from the two different cameras are the same reality? I feel like I'm losing my mind... The skater footage that shows no one punching the guard on the ground is literally the same reality as the security footage.
What the fuck is going on with you people?[close]
It's called multiple angles, is it really that confusing to you?[close]
Multiple angles of the same exact moment in time, of which WE CAN SEE IN HD THAT HE DOES NOT GET PUNCHED ON THE GROUND. Are you watching the new footage? Even in the security footage it doesn't look like he gets punched, BUT... if it did... we now get to see UP CLOSE that he does not. That means you are mistaken by what you see in the other angle, because despite being different angles, they are the same reality. There's not footage of him getting punched, but also footage of him not getting punched. It's science... he didn't get punched on the ground.[close]
The first angle did not conclusively prove or disprove anything. The security angle filled in what wasn't seen on camera in the first angle. He clearly approached and either hit or threw something at the guard. It is right there on camera. Are you really that dense?
Cool, it only took 62 pages for people to realize that Jesse did not cave the guys skull in with his skateboard. It sucks that he's getting re-tried though.
The moment that you see on the security cam that he "either hits or throws something at the guard" you can sync up with the new footage that shows he is in fact not getting hit. The camera is on the guard the whole time(!!), so despite not being able to see the skater, you know he is not punching the guard because you are watching close up footage of the guard at that moment. You can tell (in both) that the skater was throwing something on the ground, in an attempt to smash it (hint: it's his walkie talkie). I very well may be a total idiot, but I am legitimately confused that people are arguing this, I'll try to stop. Shalom to all.Expand QuoteThe first angle did not conclusively prove or disprove anything. The security angle filled in what wasn't seen on camera in the first angle. He clearly approached and either hit or threw something at the guard. It is right there on camera. Are you really that dense?[close]
They should have left. End of story.
“To a degree, we are all guilty.” - case closed.
It's heartbreaking to hear his head hit the ground and see him laying there like that.
hadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer... :'(
I didn't say he was the instigator (that's clearly DeLa), and I don't consider his scuffle with DeLa to be an "attack," but he became an attacker when he got up and charged Jesse. I rewatched the video and after DeLa pushed him to the ground, he had a clear path to leave, grab his walkie, go inside, and diffuse the situation (which, again, EVERYONE INVOLVED SHOULD HAVE DONE, not just the guard). At that point he chose to continue the fight, to everyone's detriment, and Jesse unfortunately chose to retaliate. If Dan was under the impression he was being attacked by 10+ dudes, I don't know what he was thinking by continuing to fight. He's not expected to die for the granite in front of the Bank of America, that goes far beyond his job training and responsibilities.Expand QuoteAttacking perpetrators seems like a pretty dishonest interpretation of what happened. He attempted to get people to stop skateboarding and a skateboarder instigated an attack on him. I doubt most people would think "I was just shoved. I should go inside, call the police and wait patiently". The guy thought he was being attacked, because he was, and went into defense mode. He got pitched to the ground and somebody off camera definitely threw his walkie or something at him. He got up to confront that person and got surrounded.Expand QuoteThe guard's job is to get people to stop skating the ledges, but attacking perpetrators goes beyond his job duties. When it reached that point (which it absolutely should not have, and that's not initially his fault), he should have gone inside and called the cops. I know he had previously spoken online about his frustration and desire to attack skateboarders, so his hands are hardly clean. He also blindly lashed out at someone who, as the video shows, hadn't instigated the attack or acted aggressively towards him.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThat dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy.[close]
Tries to get people to stop skating the ledges (because that's his fucking job). Tosses a board into the street out of frustration from obviously nobody complying with him trying to get people to stop skating the ledges. Gets shoved by a member of a group who then approaches him again, and then he attempts to defend himself as one person against a group of potential aggressors...and you say he's out there being "a fuckin tough guy". Ok.[close]
Bottom line: there is shared responsibility, and every single person involved should have just walked the fuck away.[close]
Should he have retreated and gone inside? Sure. Was he the instigator in this situation? Absolutely fucking not.[close]
The inevitable civil case is going to be steamy. Thrasher is bound to get involved.
So does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?
Expand Quotehadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer... :'([close]
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So does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?
Expand QuoteSo does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?[close]
They are a rad skate crew, who had an unfortunate run in with security, and some poor guy may never solve quadratic equations again without a calculator, but gx1k are the shit, as a skate fan i put these guys in my top 3.... i dont support giving people brain damage, its sad as fuck, but skating is dangerous, and skaters get toasted all the time, how could anyone hate on gx for this? Best outcome i can see is, gx go fucking brutal hard and make a vid and donate sales to old mates healthcare. Turn the hateballs expectations on their heads... Shred for secco..
What was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?
Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.
Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay
damn you Slap detectivesExpand QuoteExpand Quotehadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer... :'([close]
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Was probably on his way to film some ill lines at EMB
Expand QuoteWhat was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?
Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.
Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay[close]
He didn't throw ANYTHING at the security guard. He smashed his walkie talkie on the ground out of frustration. You don't throw something at someone from 5 feet away and miss by 4 feet. It was a stupid decision knowing what the outcome would be 10 seconds later, and it was also probably the reason the guard was so hot when he got up, but it was not a direct attack.
The thing that's fucked up to me is that it's obvious even from the security footage, had the skater footage not come out apparently everyone would still think he punched the guy while he was on the ground.
Like I said in the beginning of this thread there was a lot more evidence to come to light, and this is a good part of it. Violence obviously begets violence, Mr. Jansen never should have approached those guys in a physical manner, seriously wtf was he thinking seeing the number of guys out there and getting all Agro. It simply is not his job to fight kids or men in this case just to enforce some silly rule of “no skateboarding allowed”. It’s a bummer that he has brain damage, and I truly hope for the best there, but this is a consequence of fighting, you’ll never know where it will all end.
The NYT article isone-sidedunbalanced, biased. Mainstream media loves to demonize skateboarders because many of them are not obedient to the establishment (except the Nike and Adidas sellouts and the alike); and, most importantly, it sells.
Are you the same guy who tells people not to try to help people in a car wreck becasue they might get sued?Expand QuoteRegardless of who's guilty/not guilty of what, it's pretty shameful that they ran away after Dan hit the ground so hard.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?
Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.
Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay[close]
He didn't throw ANYTHING at the security guard. He smashed his walkie talkie on the ground out of frustration. You don't throw something at someone from 5 feet away and miss by 4 feet. It was a stupid decision knowing what the outcome would be 10 seconds later, and it was also probably the reason the guard was so hot when he got up, but it was not a direct attack.
The thing that's fucked up to me is that it's obvious even from the security footage, had the skater footage not come out apparently everyone would still think he punched the guy while he was on the ground.[close]
are you actually regular?
where does that object magically appear from between 12-14 seconds?
No.Are you the same guy who tells people not to try to help people in a car wreck becasue they might get sued?Expand QuoteRegardless of who's guilty/not guilty of what, it's pretty shameful that they ran away after Dan hit the ground so hard.[close]
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.
You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.
So whats the vibe like in SF right now with this making news, are cops fucking with skaters, is the general public talking shit ?
Expand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it
Expand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it[close]
Yes, I did fix some typos and I am completely comfortable in saying that. Is there a problem?
And BTW, again, Dela was the first person to lay his hands on someone else. End of story and go fuck yourself.
I'm done arguing this.
Why throw it in his vicinity then? You’re making up such lame excuses. It’s absurd.
I'm done arguing this.
life comes at you fast and this video really illustrates that. one minute you're out enjoying yourself skating with the crew and the next, a serious incident has occurred leaving another person brain damaged and you in jail. reminds me of a friend who did 5 years in prison after being provoked into a bar fight out of nowhere. also makes me think of my numerous past run-ins with security and how things could have gone sideways like this real quick.
the security guard overstepped his boundaries here and you really can't deny that. his responsibility is to verbally request for people to leave the property. if that request isn't complied with then he should refer the situation to the local police - that's it. a security guard is not in a position of power or authority over a private citizen. it seems Jansen himself may have forgotten this - why else would you physically provoke a group of 10 by yourself? would he have pulled up on a group of 10 gangbangers and started grabbing their personal property and throwing it in the street?
furthermore, this incident was clearly not pre-meditated in any way and was merely a reaction to the guard's act(s) of aggression which resulted in an unfortunate accidental outcome. they obviously did not start skating the property with the intent to seriously injure the guard. we also do not know the existing dynamic between this guard and the skate community. certainly they have encountered each other before - was this an ongoing contentious scenario?
anyhow, I'm sure every person involved here wishes they could roll back time and walk away to live another day in health and freedom.
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They all should've been wearing helmets
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it[close]
He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
HTH.
Confrontation would have ended there if the skaters had picked up their board and left.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it[close]
He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
HTH.[close]
he started the confrontation by tossing the skateboard
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Have any of you nerds ever skated black rock? Nope. Fucking rentacop backers don’t understand going around and coming around and breaking some wood. 🥊🛹So good and so bad at the same time.
Some motherfuckers are like Zaitoichi over here.
slap getting shine from the new york times
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it[close]
Yes, I did fix some typos and I am completely comfortable in saying that. Is there a problem?
And BTW, again, Dela was the first person to lay his hands on someone else. End of story and go fuck yourself.
I'm done arguing this.
It is too bad the consequences from this shit are just so gnarly. It is crazy how quickly a dumb ass fight over the desire to get a clip vs the desire to protect private property can turn into someone nearly being dead.
This whole incident seems like it is really similar to a one punch murder, which I imagine would bring up all the same emotions from the victim's family and from the offender.
One-punch deaths [are rare]. But it happens often enough that Gunson [, the medical examiner], without pause, is able to describe precisely how a sock to the face can end a life.
"They fall over backwards and they hit the back of their head," Gunson said. "They often end up having a skull fracture."
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2015/07/one-punch_killings_they_happen.html
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https://youtu.be/W4TBmLxa1f0[close]
larry graham from sly and the family stone invented slapping the bass for those who don't know
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYou’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.
Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.
You’re pathetic.[close]
lol, had to fix some typos, eh? The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself.
It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself.
"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault
got it[close]
He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
HTH.[close]
he started the confrontation by tossing the skateboard
https://abc7news.com/sf-security-guard-critically-hurt-in-attack/4768749/fuck no, in my town we barely have any spots so when we do get kicked out its part of the fun to try to get one more try and fuck with the fat fuck security guard.
This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (that’s us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.
Jesus this is brutal
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating
Jesus this is brutal
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating
Jesus this is brutal
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating
Whoa, BADASS!fuck no, in my town we barely have any spots so when we do get kicked out its part of the fun to try to get one more try and fuck with the fat fuck security guard.Expand Quotehttps://abc7news.com/sf-security-guard-critically-hurt-in-attack/4768749/
This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (that’s us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.[close]
Expand QuoteJesus this is brutal
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating[close]
The frat boy's story is absurd. Unless there is a lot we aren't seeing, I can't believe how sympathetic the stories are for the frat boy and his friend who are in the middle of the street trying to get a physical conflict going.
"On my way to hug orphans, I ran into a group of young men riding their skateboards. They were having a lot of fun and I don't think they realized how close they came to me, so I politely stormed out into the middle of the street to join my friend who was already in the street gesturing that he wanted to fight the skaters, I got in one of their faces, balled up my fists, and softly reminded these young men to make sure they are being careful. Well, my polite note sent them into a rage and they brutal attacked me. I felt so helpless and I can't believe how easily a middle-class guy from suburbs can become a victim at the hands of these unruly skateboarders."
The frat boy looking dude, Brett Thompson, and his friend were in the middle of the street trying to get the skaters to fight them. Everyone should have walked away here, but Brett and his friend easily could have walked away. Cracking a dude with a board is fucked up, but this isn't a story of a guy just doing his job or getting jumped. It looks like a dude and his friend escalated things and were surprised with the results.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233967912.html
Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?
Expand QuoteImagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?[close]
you know this joke infers that skateboarders like to be dommed by men
nice going genius
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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.
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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.[close]
What was? We don't even know if he pushed him, punched him, hit him with a board, or the guy just tripped on the skateboard.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteImagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?[close]
you know this joke infers that skateboarders like to be dommed by men
nice going genius[close]
What flawed mental gymnastics did you use to cook that up? The conclusion in my example is the sum of it's parts. A+B=C, you're saying A alone=C...
jesus, you're regular
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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.[close]
What was? We don't even know if he pushed him, punched him, hit him with a board, or the guy just tripped on the skateboard.[close]
Nobody loses half his skull by tripping over a fuking skateboard bro.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteImagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?[close]
you know this joke infers that skateboarders like to be dommed by men
nice going genius[close]
What flawed mental gymnastics did you use to cook that up? The conclusion in my example is the sum of it's parts. A+B=C, you're saying A alone=C...
Jesus this is brutal
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating
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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating[close]
This shit is whack. Dudes are up like 5 men and are still using weapons? I would love to see a rehash of this if the victim had a pistol
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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating[close]
This shit is whack. Dudes are up like 5 men and are still using weapons? I would love to see a rehash of this if the victim had a pistol[close]
Who the fuck does that, what a bunch of stupid fucks.
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https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating[close]
This shit is whack. Dudes are up like 5 men and are still using weapons? I would love to see a rehash of this if the victim had a pistol
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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.[close]
What was? We don't even know if he pushed him, punched him, hit him with a board, or the guy just tripped on the skateboard.[close]
Nobody loses half his skull by tripping over a fuking skateboard bro.[close]
Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close]
Did you get your law degree out of a vending machine or something?
The guards choice to get physical is not completely irrelevant and if you have been following the case than you know that a majority of the jury agrees with the self-defense argument the lawyers presented. I’m not saying what happened was right nor was it not tragic but to not look at the responsibility of the guard and his choice to get physical first is at best being blind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.
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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close]
Did you get your law degree out of a vending machine or something?[close]
Nah just reiterating obvious shit that my d.a told me
Did you get your law degree out of a vending machine or something?From a claw machine at a bowling alley.
The guards choice to get physical is not completely irrelevant and if you have been following the case than you know that a majority of the jury agrees with the self-defense argument the lawyers presented. I’m not saying what happened was right nor was it not tragic but to not look at the responsibility of the guard and his choice to get physical first is at best being blind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close]
Expand QuoteThe guards choice to get physical is not completely irrelevant and if you have been following the case than you know that a majority of the jury agrees with the self-defense argument the lawyers presented. I’m not saying what happened was right nor was it not tragic but to not look at the responsibility of the guard and his choice to get physical first is at best being blind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close][close]
If the majority of the jury agrees with the self defense case that's tragic. I'm sure the judge will take into account how fucking stupid jurors can be in s.f. I know that what those kooks did was wrong, and I can only hope that if they dont get prosecuted criminally that they get reamed civilly. Ideally GX gets sued and shut down. I have no tolerance for violent bullies in skateboarding. Please take your bigotry, hatred, hypocrisy and ego to the football field.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe guards choice to get physical is not completely irrelevant and if you have been following the case than you know that a majority of the jury agrees with the self-defense argument the lawyers presented. I’m not saying what happened was right nor was it not tragic but to not look at the responsibility of the guard and his choice to get physical first is at best being blind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close][close]
If the majority of the jury agrees with the self defense case that's tragic. I'm sure the judge will take into account how fucking stupid jurors can be in s.f. I know that what those kooks did was wrong, and I can only hope that if they dont get prosecuted criminally that they get reamed civilly. Ideally GX gets sued and shut down. I have no tolerance for violent bullies in skateboarding. Please take your bigotry, hatred, hypocrisy and ego to the football field.[close]
I am an actual lawyer and this whole thread is melting my brain. All criminal charges--all of them, from minor property crimes to serial murders--require that the prosecution prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, as in: you can't think of a single plausible reason to doubt the person's guilt. It's supposed to make it pretty hard to wrongfully convict someone of a crime. Preponderance of the evidence is the civil liability standard and it means "substantially more likely than not, based on the evidence presented", and it does not apply in any criminal cases.
Your DA friend might have been telling you that if the criminal case is dismissed because they don't want to retry it after a hung jury, the guard could still pursue a civil claim (for $$$, not jail time) that carries a lower burden of proof. But he won't do that either because civil suits for major injuries cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and these dudes are fuckin broke so there isn't even a pot of money at the end of the process to justify the trouble. I've heard people say around here that professional skateboarders are considered independent contractors under California law everywhere but in organized competitions, and there is no vicarious liability by businesses for the acts of indepdendent contractors pretty much full stop. So his sponsors won't have to pay anything either because he's a contractor. The difference between an employee and a contractor is that contractors decide for themselves how to do the "job" they were hired to do whereas employees are legally presumed to be directed and controlled by their employers while on the job. Since the sponsors don't have any control over how a skateboarder does their job (except, apparently, when they are skating in organized competitions), they aren't responsible for skateboarder's actions. Simple as that.
Finally, a judge can't "do something about" a jury unless there is some kind of evidence of juror misconduct or jury tampering otherwise, worrying about what the jury decides isn't his job. That's because the judge and the jury do completely different things: the judge decides what law applies in the case (which includes deciding what evidence may be presented at trial and the specific legal definition of the charges being brought by the DA, among a lot of other things) and the jury decides "fact" questions, e.g., did the person actually do the thing(s) they are being charged with based on the evidence presented. The jury definitely heard all of the evidence about trespassing, who was the initial aggressor, and who had the duty to disengage in order to be able to claim self defense at trial because the judge decided to instruct the jury that they could acquit for self defense based on the evidence. Some of the jurors voted to do that and it resulted in a hung jury.
In a super fact-intensive case like this, a hung jury might tell the prosecutor they didn't do so hot at presenting their evidence, and if they can't find a way to tighten up their trial strategy with they evidence they have to work with, they'll often just drop the charges instead of trying a losing strategy again hoping for better results. I'm guessing that's as likely as anything to happen here, but on the other hand the prosecutor might just want to bag a skateboarder for some reason. You asked a cop (your DA friend) about this and you got a cop's response, which is of course he's guilty there's no other way about it. Good thing there are non-cop lawyers out there out there who actually care about what's fair instead of just getting convictions to please their bosses who will be up for reelection in a year or two.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe guards choice to get physical is not completely irrelevant and if you have been following the case than you know that a majority of the jury agrees with the self-defense argument the lawyers presented. I’m not saying what happened was right nor was it not tragic but to not look at the responsibility of the guard and his choice to get physical first is at best being blind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close][close]
If the majority of the jury agrees with the self defense case that's tragic. I'm sure the judge will take into account how fucking stupid jurors can be in s.f. I know that what those kooks did was wrong, and I can only hope that if they dont get prosecuted criminally that they get reamed civilly. Ideally GX gets sued and shut down. I have no tolerance for violent bullies in skateboarding. Please take your bigotry, hatred, hypocrisy and ego to the football field.[close]
I am an actual lawyer and this whole thread is melting my brain. All criminal charges--all of them, from minor property crimes to serial murders--require that the prosecution prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, as in: you can't think of a single plausible reason to doubt the person's guilt. It's supposed to make it pretty hard to wrongfully convict someone of a crime. Preponderance of the evidence is the civil liability standard and it means "substantially more likely than not, based on the evidence presented", and it does not apply in any criminal cases.
Your DA friend might have been telling you that if the criminal case is dismissed because they don't want to retry it after a hung jury, the guard could still pursue a civil claim (for $$$, not jail time) that carries a lower burden of proof. But he won't do that either because civil suits for major injuries cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and these dudes are fuckin broke so there isn't even a pot of money at the end of the process to justify the trouble. I've heard people say around here that professional skateboarders are considered independent contractors under California law everywhere but in organized competitions, and there is no vicarious liability by businesses for the acts of indepdendent contractors pretty much full stop. So his sponsors won't have to pay anything either because he's a contractor. The difference between an employee and a contractor is that contractors decide for themselves how to do the "job" they were hired to do whereas employees are legally presumed to be directed and controlled by their employers while on the job. Since the sponsors don't have any control over how a skateboarder does their job (except, apparently, when they are skating in organized competitions), they aren't responsible for skateboarder's actions. Simple as that.
Finally, a judge can't "do something about" a jury unless there is some kind of evidence of juror misconduct or jury tampering otherwise, worrying about what the jury decides isn't his job. That's because the judge and the jury do completely different things: the judge decides what law applies in the case (which includes deciding what evidence may be presented at trial and the specific legal definition of the charges being brought by the DA, among a lot of other things) and the jury decides "fact" questions, e.g., did the person actually do the thing(s) they are being charged with based on the evidence presented. The jury definitely heard all of the evidence about trespassing, who was the initial aggressor, and who had the duty to disengage in order to be able to claim self defense at trial because the judge decided to instruct the jury that they could acquit for self defense based on the evidence. Some of the jurors voted to do that and it resulted in a hung jury.
In a super fact-intensive case like this, a hung jury might tell the prosecutor they didn't do so hot at presenting their evidence, and if they can't find a way to tighten up their trial strategy with they evidence they have to work with, they'll often just drop the charges instead of trying a losing strategy again hoping for better results. I'm guessing that's as likely as anything to happen here, but on the other hand the prosecutor might just want to bag a skateboarder for some reason. You asked a cop (your DA friend) about this and you got a cop's response, which is of course he's guilty there's no other way about it. Good thing there are non-cop lawyers out there out there who actually care about what's fair instead of just getting convictions to please their bosses who will be up for reelection in a year or two.[close]
Sick now we are getting somewhere. My point about the jurors sucking remains the same. And the absurdity regarding the notion of rationalizing any of Jesse's behavior as him defending himself against bodily injury remains the same. My goal here isnt to argue legal semantics although I'm never opposed to learning. My goal here is to express how horrible and disparate it is to justify and back Jesse's ( and the rest involved ) actions towards one old dude. If you legitimately felt in fear against that man under those circumstances you are a coward at best. Cowards dont flip grind double kink rails. We've been skating there for decades, this is the first time a security guard has been paralyzed. This is a reflection of their behavior, not the status quo of the spot or the security response thereof.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe guards choice to get physical is not completely irrelevant and if you have been following the case than you know that a majority of the jury agrees with the self-defense argument the lawyers presented. I’m not saying what happened was right nor was it not tragic but to not look at the responsibility of the guard and his choice to get physical first is at best being blind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.[close]
the sidewalk is not their property. it's city property. Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.[close]
Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!
I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.[close]
the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive.
Dela fucked your girl?[close]
You must be one of the good homies huh. The courts disagree with you, rationale disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. No gymnastics required as I have a functioning brain, one that isnt compromised by the pathology that is skateboarder ego. Thank god I have yet to run into a motherfucker like you while in s.f, but then again, I do avoid art shows. You see I'd rather be riding my skateboard instead of using it as a means to extort the culture, or to paralyze an old man. Fuck gx1000. Skateboarding may be eternal but bullying should never leave grade school.[close]
Do you really think that a security guard should get physical over protecting property from skaters? This spot has been getting skated for the last thirty years, why would anyone go to the extreme that the security guard did? Certainly there must be a protocol before getting violent and certainly he could have just called the cops, right?[close]
Completely irrelevant when weighed against the end result.
No amount of errors or physical interjection ( save for lethal force ) on behalf of this particular security guard ( being old and out numbered 5 to 1 ) warrants any modicum of returned physical force under the guise of self defense, per the legal definition of self defense ( especially in CA ). This fact is definitive once put into the context that the gx dudes created for themselves.
Gx dudes were effectively on the property illegally after guard asks them to leave. This makes them responsible for any outcome moving forward. This reality mutes any rational or justifiable self defense argument by proxy.
Self defense is contingent upon the subjects actions of reasonableness. An example of how prosecutors define reasonableness in this capacity; did the subject attempt to de-escalate, avoid, or escape the situation before having to reasonably resort to physical force? Were the physical actions of the gx dudes reasonably justifiable within the parameters of the use of force continuum?
Gx dudes made absolutely no attempt at de escalating the situation ( exemplified by moving barriers, refusing to leave ). They certainly could have avoided the altercation altogether, and they irrefutably could have escaped guards "aggressive behavior" and his range of force simply by hopping on their boards and bombing the hill ( like they so effortlessly did after paralyzing the dude ) Use of force on behalf of the gx dudes does not reflect a reasonable continuum: One unarmed old man vs 5 young men who resort to using an improvised weapon.
Because guard didnt die the prosecutors are only required to provide their burden of proof based off of the propensity of the evidence in order to get a conviction ( as opposed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt ). Its obvious to me though that these guys are fucking freaks for their behavior and I have no doubt that if I ever witness some shit like that I will do my best to prevent those bullies from harming elderly.[close][close]
If the majority of the jury agrees with the self defense case that's tragic. I'm sure the judge will take into account how fucking stupid jurors can be in s.f. I know that what those kooks did was wrong, and I can only hope that if they dont get prosecuted criminally that they get reamed civilly. Ideally GX gets sued and shut down. I have no tolerance for violent bullies in skateboarding. Please take your bigotry, hatred, hypocrisy and ego to the football field.[close]
I am an actual lawyer and this whole thread is melting my brain. All criminal charges--all of them, from minor property crimes to serial murders--require that the prosecution prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, as in: you can't think of a single plausible reason to doubt the person's guilt. It's supposed to make it pretty hard to wrongfully convict someone of a crime. Preponderance of the evidence is the civil liability standard and it means "substantially more likely than not, based on the evidence presented", and it does not apply in any criminal cases.
Your DA friend might have been telling you that if the criminal case is dismissed because they don't want to retry it after a hung jury, the guard could still pursue a civil claim (for $$$, not jail time) that carries a lower burden of proof. But he won't do that either because civil suits for major injuries cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and these dudes are fuckin broke so there isn't even a pot of money at the end of the process to justify the trouble. I've heard people say around here that professional skateboarders are considered independent contractors under California law everywhere but in organized competitions, and there is no vicarious liability by businesses for the acts of indepdendent contractors pretty much full stop. So his sponsors won't have to pay anything either because he's a contractor. The difference between an employee and a contractor is that contractors decide for themselves how to do the "job" they were hired to do whereas employees are legally presumed to be directed and controlled by their employers while on the job. Since the sponsors don't have any control over how a skateboarder does their job (except, apparently, when they are skating in organized competitions), they aren't responsible for skateboarder's actions. Simple as that.
Finally, a judge can't "do something about" a jury unless there is some kind of evidence of juror misconduct or jury tampering otherwise, worrying about what the jury decides isn't his job. That's because the judge and the jury do completely different things: the judge decides what law applies in the case (which includes deciding what evidence may be presented at trial and the specific legal definition of the charges being brought by the DA, among a lot of other things) and the jury decides "fact" questions, e.g., did the person actually do the thing(s) they are being charged with based on the evidence presented. The jury definitely heard all of the evidence about trespassing, who was the initial aggressor, and who had the duty to disengage in order to be able to claim self defense at trial because the judge decided to instruct the jury that they could acquit for self defense based on the evidence. Some of the jurors voted to do that and it resulted in a hung jury.
In a super fact-intensive case like this, a hung jury might tell the prosecutor they didn't do so hot at presenting their evidence, and if they can't find a way to tighten up their trial strategy with they evidence they have to work with, they'll often just drop the charges instead of trying a losing strategy again hoping for better results. I'm guessing that's as likely as anything to happen here, but on the other hand the prosecutor might just want to bag a skateboarder for some reason. You asked a cop (your DA friend) about this and you got a cop's response, which is of course he's guilty there's no other way about it. Good thing there are non-cop lawyers out there out there who actually care about what's fair instead of just getting convictions to please their bosses who will be up for reelection in a year or two.[close]
Sick now we are getting somewhere. My point about the jurors sucking remains the same. And the absurdity regarding the notion of rationalizing any of Jesse's behavior as him defending himself against bodily injury remains the same. My goal here isnt to argue legal semantics although I'm never opposed to learning. My goal here is to express how horrible and disparate it is to justify and back Jesse's ( and the rest involved ) actions towards one old dude. If you legitimately felt in fear against that man under those circumstances you are a coward at best. Cowards dont flip grind double kink rails. We've been skating there for decades, this is the first time a security guard has been paralyzed. This is a reflection of their behavior, not the status quo of the spot or the security response thereof.[close]
Where in this dumpster fire of a thread do you see anyone “justify[ing] and backing Jesse’s actions”?
This situation was fucked.
They should have left but didn’t.
He should have called the cops but didn’t.
Both parties fucked up, now one has brain damage and the other did six months time. Everyone lives with heavy consequences. Stop acting like anyone got away or won anything. Everyone involved lost something and literally no one feels good about it. That’s it.
But, one day, we'll be able to brag about how tough we are because we've done time in US prisons. Think of how awesome the movie and TV quotes will be! Like on The Wire, when Sergei says "In my country, I was in jail four years, in my country, this is not prison. This is nothing". Now who is tough?
a reminder that these dudes fled the scene in savage "bomb hill" mode after the security guard cracked his skull
Hope Jansen wins his lawsuit against Vieira.
I got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
I assume the plaintiff will sue Thrasher under respondeat superieur. The difficulty, as it appears to me with limited knowledge of contract law, is proving Jesse was an employee of Thrasher at the time of the incident: Were they specifically filming for a video involving Thrasher? Is GX considered an employee anytime they’re filming?
He was always gonna go after Thrasher. Took his lawyers about two years to figure out they trademarked GX1000. I have no idea if that's fast or slow but it was always gonna happen.
Expand QuoteI got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
I assume the plaintiff will sue Thrasher under respondeat superieur. The difficulty, as it appears to me with limited knowledge of contract law, is proving Jesse was an employee of Thrasher at the time of the incident: Were they specifically filming for a video involving Thrasher? Is GX considered an employee anytime they’re filming?[close]
Gonna go ahead and say a 14 week certification course is not the same thing as a law degree. Anywhere. A paralegal does work delegated to them by a lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s no where near the same thing.
To illustrate the power of a law degree, there are 2 law schools in the state of Wisconsin that if you earn a juris doctorate you can be admitted the state bar and can practice law under something known as dipolma privilege, without having to take the bar exam, but one can only practice law in the state of Wisconsin.
And to answer your question, I assume all of them are considered independent contractors.
Expand QuoteI got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
I assume the plaintiff will sue Thrasher under respondeat superieur. The difficulty, as it appears to me with limited knowledge of contract law, is proving Jesse was an employee of Thrasher at the time of the incident: Were they specifically filming for a video involving Thrasher? Is GX considered an employee anytime they’re filming?[close]
Gonna go ahead and say a 14 week certification course is not the same thing as a law degree. Anywhere. A paralegal does work delegated to them by a lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s no where near the same thing.
To illustrate the power of a law degree, there are 2 law schools in the state of Wisconsin that if you earn a juris doctorate you can be admitted the state bar and can practice law under something known as dipolma privilege, without having to take the bar exam, but one can only practice law in the state of Wisconsin.
And to answer your question, I assume all of them are considered independent contractors.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
I assume the plaintiff will sue Thrasher under respondeat superieur. The difficulty, as it appears to me with limited knowledge of contract law, is proving Jesse was an employee of Thrasher at the time of the incident: Were they specifically filming for a video involving Thrasher? Is GX considered an employee anytime they’re filming?[close]
Gonna go ahead and say a 14 week certification course is not the same thing as a law degree. Anywhere. A paralegal does work delegated to them by a lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s no where near the same thing.
To illustrate the power of a law degree, there are 2 law schools in the state of Wisconsin that if you earn a juris doctorate you can be admitted the state bar and can practice law under something known as dipolma privilege, without having to take the bar exam, but one can only practice law in the state of Wisconsin.
And to answer your question, I assume all of them are considered independent contractors.[close]
I think he was just joking
in every jurisdiction i'm aware of you do not have to be a formal employee to be considered an agent/servant/representative/under the control of a business. in a lot of construction litigation the contractor, subcontractor, reality trust, and property management companies end up as defendants for this very reason (thats why most of their contracts have subrogation clauses).
I got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
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in every jurisdiction i'm aware of you do not have to be a formal employee to be considered an agent/servant/representative/under the control of a business. in a lot of construction litigation the contractor, subcontractor, reality trust, and property management companies end up as defendants for this very reason (thats why most of their contracts have subrogation clauses).[close]
Big difference here is that we're talking an intentional tort and not a construction defect type case where it isn't clear whose faulty work among a cluster of contractors/subs whose work is closely intertwined caused the defect at the outset of a lawsuit. While independent contractors are, like employees, agents of the person who hired them, scope of their agency is extremely attenuated as compared to a conventional employee because of the legal nature of that relationship. The general rule remains that independent contractors use their own discretion in how to complete the work they were contracted to perform. So, in the absence certain rare exceptions, there is no liability by one who hires a contractor for the contractor's negligence. That goes double for intentional torts, which require the extra element of ratification (advance approval of the tortious conduct or failure to subsequently address it) before holding employers liable for employee's conduct while in the course and scope of employment. So at minimum, the slim chance that Thrasher/High Speed ratified the conduct would be required for liability, and that's assuming he were to be considered an employee (even more unlikely).
The case against the building is bad, too. He's almost certainly an employee of a contractor who provides security services for the defendant building/property management, he's aware that altercations are possible in the course of his job, and the duty to warn, if any, would likely fall on his employer. Since his employer is a contractor of the building/property management company, they (very much by design) aren't liable for the acts of independent contractors any more than Thrasher/High Speed. Vieira is the low-hanging fruit, but he's judgment proof and the judgment could or would be discharged in bankruptcy anyway.
I'm just spitballing and could be mistaken about something important, but still, I see lots of reasons to feel bad for this dude and his prospects of getting any money this way. Even though I would quite literally be out of a job if it were any different, this is why civil lawsuits and liability insurance are no substitute for a nation simply treating its citizens humanely by providing for their essential needs through generous social programs.
Of all this, I am particularly interested, but not surprised, to find out that Thrasher owns GX whole cloth. Makes sense, when you consider that GX is becoming something of a skater streetwear brand right as Thrasher became a little too mainstream for some.
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in every jurisdiction i'm aware of you do not have to be a formal employee to be considered an agent/servant/representative/under the control of a business. in a lot of construction litigation the contractor, subcontractor, reality trust, and property management companies end up as defendants for this very reason (thats why most of their contracts have subrogation clauses).[close]
Big difference here is that we're talking an intentional tort and not a construction defect type case where it isn't clear whose faulty work among a cluster of contractors/subs whose work is closely intertwined caused the defect at the outset of a lawsuit. While independent contractors are, like employees, agents of the person who hired them, scope of their agency is extremely attenuated as compared to a conventional employee because of the legal nature of that relationship. The general rule remains that independent contractors use their own discretion in how to complete the work they were contracted to perform. So, in the absence certain rare exceptions, there is no liability by one who hires a contractor for the contractor's negligence. That goes double for intentional torts, which require the extra element of ratification (advance approval of the tortious conduct or failure to subsequently address it) before holding employers liable for employee's conduct while in the course and scope of employment. So at minimum, the slim chance that Thrasher/High Speed ratified the conduct would be required for liability, and that's assuming he were to be considered an employee (even more unlikely).
The case against the building is bad, too. He's almost certainly an employee of a contractor who provides security services for the defendant building/property management, he's aware that altercations are possible in the course of his job, and the duty to warn, if any, would likely fall on his employer. Since his employer is a contractor of the building/property management company, they (very much by design) aren't liable for the acts of independent contractors any more than Thrasher/High Speed. Vieira is the low-hanging fruit, but he's judgment proof and the judgment could or would be discharged in bankruptcy anyway.
I'm just spitballing and could be mistaken about something important, but still, I see lots of reasons to feel bad for this dude and his prospects of getting any money this way. Even though I would quite literally be out of a job if it were any different, this is why civil lawsuits and liability insurance are no substitute for a nation simply treating its citizens humanely by providing for their essential needs through generous social programs.[close]
there are plenty of examples of a a party being held liable for an intentional tort committed an independent contractor:
bar/bouncer cases, Uber assault cases, sexual harassment cases, day cares & summer camps, private security cases, really weird malicious destruction of property claims that sounds like movie but are not.
if the depositions break right i actually really like the case against the building. plus strategically it makes a ton sense. i would have made the same call.
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This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.
GX was definitely called out when it went down and JV went to jail. Not really sure how Thrasher is responsible - are they responsible for anything that a skater does in video or mag? Is converse responsible since dela was there? I get why they are included in the lawsuit but the lawyer gets paid to get the client paid so they go after the deepest pockets.Expand Quotehttp://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x (http://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x)[close]
This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.
I got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
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This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.
hahaha. you're hyped on lawyers!Expand QuoteI got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
I assume the plaintiff will sue Thrasher under respondeat superieur. The difficulty, as it appears to me with limited knowledge of contract law, is proving Jesse was an employee of Thrasher at the time of the incident: Were they specifically filming for a video involving Thrasher? Is GX considered an employee anytime they’re filming?[close]
Gonna go ahead and say a 14 week certification course is not the same thing as a law degree. Anywhere. A paralegal does work delegated to them by a lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s no where near the same thing.
To illustrate the power of a law degree, there are 2 law schools in the state of Wisconsin that if you earn a juris doctorate you can be admitted the state bar and can practice law under something known as dipolma privilege, without having to take the bar exam, but one can only practice law in the state of Wisconsin.
And to answer your question, I assume all of them are considered independent contractors.
Interesting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivionWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?
hahaha. you're hyped on lawyers!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got my paralegal, which in certain jurisdictions is equal to a vending machine law degree.
I assume the plaintiff will sue Thrasher under respondeat superieur. The difficulty, as it appears to me with limited knowledge of contract law, is proving Jesse was an employee of Thrasher at the time of the incident: Were they specifically filming for a video involving Thrasher? Is GX considered an employee anytime they’re filming?[close]
Gonna go ahead and say a 14 week certification course is not the same thing as a law degree. Anywhere. A paralegal does work delegated to them by a lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that at all, but it’s no where near the same thing.
To illustrate the power of a law degree, there are 2 law schools in the state of Wisconsin that if you earn a juris doctorate you can be admitted the state bar and can practice law under something known as dipolma privilege, without having to take the bar exam, but one can only practice law in the state of Wisconsin.
And to answer your question, I assume all of them are considered independent contractors.[close]
Why do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close]
How? I’m just asking a question?Expand QuoteWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close][close]
No, it is you that has an implicit bias!
Expand QuoteWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close][close]
No, it is you that has an implicit bias!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close][close]
No, it is you that has an implicit bias![close]
The name says it all. He’s a plant.
Why do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close]
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t know these people and I gather you don’t either. Aruba apple head seems to know them personally so I asked them a question.Expand QuoteWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close][close]
Oh c'mon... can't understand why people aren't hyped on GX after this whole incident? Or Pizza skateboards for sponsoring this dude again?
I mean I guess I don't understand wanting blood for blood, and no I don't really like seeing careers demolished because of a bad decision. But as an advocate for justice, retribution and reform should be expected in the wake of an event like this. That's justice. Obviously I have no idea how Jesse feels or what he's done for or said to the family, but I don't recall seeing anything from Pizza or Jesse (or GX, for that matter) apologizing for or addressing his problematic behavior in the situation. Or Chase Webb's (unless you count denial after denial). Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are remorseless fucks.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t know these people and I gather you don’t either. Aruba apple head seems to know them personally so I asked them a question.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close][close]
Oh c'mon... can't understand why people aren't hyped on GX after this whole incident? Or Pizza skateboards for sponsoring this dude again?
I mean I guess I don't understand wanting blood for blood, and no I don't really like seeing careers demolished because of a bad decision. But as an advocate for justice, retribution and reform should be expected in the wake of an event like this. That's justice. Obviously I have no idea how Jesse feels or what he's done for or said to the family, but I don't recall seeing anything from Pizza or Jesse (or GX, for that matter) apologizing for or addressing his problematic behavior in the situation. Or Chase Webb's (unless you count denial after denial). Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are remorseless fucks.[close]
Expand QuoteCorrect me if I’m wrong but I don’t know these people and I gather you don’t either. Aruba apple head seems to know them personally so I asked them a question.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhy do you hate these people so much? I can’t make heads or tails of it? Do you know them? You seem extremely caught up in their business. Is this sf stuff?Expand QuoteInteresting to note, apparently he’s back on Pizza. Wish they’d get sued into oblivion[close][close]
Oh c'mon... can't understand why people aren't hyped on GX after this whole incident? Or Pizza skateboards for sponsoring this dude again?
I mean I guess I don't understand wanting blood for blood, and no I don't really like seeing careers demolished because of a bad decision. But as an advocate for justice, retribution and reform should be expected in the wake of an event like this. That's justice. Obviously I have no idea how Jesse feels or what he's done for or said to the family, but I don't recall seeing anything from Pizza or Jesse (or GX, for that matter) apologizing for or addressing his problematic behavior in the situation. Or Chase Webb's (unless you count denial after denial). Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are remorseless fucks.[close][close]
Actually, you asked three questions. And no I don't know them... "Why on earth would anyone else care about this situation or what becomes of those involved, especially on a skateboarding forum?" Is my single contemptuous question for you.
I asked 4 questions not 3. not one was directed at you homie. Nah bless
Ok. Sorry
But the other 3 questions you avoid? I just don’t get it. You seem to know these people personally.Expand QuoteI asked 4 questions not 3. not one was directed at you homie. Nah bless[close]
One of your questions was a statement you put a question mark at the end of
But the other 3 questions you avoid? I just don’t get it. You seem to know these people personally.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI asked 4 questions not 3. not one was directed at you homie. Nah bless[close]
One of your questions was a statement you put a question mark at the end of[close]
GX was definitely called out when it went down and JV went to jail. Not really sure how Thrasher is responsible - are they responsible for anything that a skater does in video or mag? Is converse responsible since dela was there? I get why they are included in the lawsuit but the lawyer gets paid to get the client paid so they go after the deepest pockets.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x (http://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x)[close]
This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.[close]
Ummm Thrasher pays for this website. Basically thrasher pays for your soap box. I dunno. Food for thought.
While it's in a ton of things outside of Thrasher related to skating. Just looking at videos they choose to post and air (like someone on GX1000 backlipping into a female security guard in Roll Up), they own the GX1000 copyrite, and their owner was an executive producer, you could argue they either condoned or encouraged having a confrontation with security guards in the process of getting footage for their website. How much of Thrasher's marketing is being "punk rock" and not respecting authority?GX was definitely called out when it went down and JV went to jail. Not really sure how Thrasher is responsible - are they responsible for anything that a skater does in video or mag? Is converse responsible since dela was there? I get why they are included in the lawsuit but the lawyer gets paid to get the client paid so they go after the deepest pockets.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x (http://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x)[close]
This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.[close]
Ummm Thrasher pays for this website. Basically thrasher pays for your soap box. I dunno. Food for thought.
Dan Jensen fractured his skull when he fell backwards onto it. Not trying to cape for these goons at all but the story that they hit him with their boards continues to persist and I think mischaracterizes the situation. They should 100% left the spot when they started to pull the barriers closed.
This is all from the GX angle on the NYT article and is my interpretation of how things went down.Expand QuoteDan Jensen fractured his skull when he fell backwards onto it. Not trying to cape for these goons at all but the story that they hit him with their boards continues to persist and I think mischaracterizes the situation. They should 100% left the spot when they started to pull the barriers closed.[close]
How did he fall? I didn’t watch because that didn’t seem like something I needed to see
This is all from the GX angle on the NYT article and is my interpretation of how things went down.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDan Jensen fractured his skull when he fell backwards onto it. Not trying to cape for these goons at all but the story that they hit him with their boards continues to persist and I think mischaracterizes the situation. They should 100% left the spot when they started to pull the barriers closed.[close]
How did he fall? I didn’t watch because that didn’t seem like something I needed to see[close]
Dela bails a back 50 as Dan Jensen walks up to him. Dela stands on top of the ledge and they exchange a few words. Jensen bends down and throws Delas board into the street and Dela comes off the ledge, shoving Jensen. They square up, Jensen takes a swing at Dela and then kicks him. The camera misses the moment but it looks like Dela shoved Jensen, causing him to fall backwards and just miss hitting his head on the ledge. While he is down, Jesse throws Jensen's walkie-talkie down the sidewalk. The filmer offers Jensen a hand up which he refuses. Jensen then charges Jesse. Jesse holds his board in both hands, then switches it to his right. It arcs upward over Jensen's head, looking like he might have tried to use it to hit him but Jensen grabs his arms and it falls to the side. Another person in the crew who I don't immediately recognize steps in to pull them apart and, after the three struggle, Jensen falls backwards, hitting his head on the ground. Jensen is clearly out and everybody dips.
Even then he looks mostly like he's trying to get away from the situation. Jensen is the only one throwing punches.Expand QuoteThis is all from the GX angle on the NYT article and is my interpretation of how things went down.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDan Jensen fractured his skull when he fell backwards onto it. Not trying to cape for these goons at all but the story that they hit him with their boards continues to persist and I think mischaracterizes the situation. They should 100% left the spot when they started to pull the barriers closed.[close]
How did he fall? I didn’t watch because that didn’t seem like something I needed to see[close]
Dela bails a back 50 as Dan Jensen walks up to him. Dela stands on top of the ledge and they exchange a few words. Jensen bends down and throws Delas board into the street and Dela comes off the ledge, shoving Jensen. They square up, Jensen takes a swing at Dela and then kicks him. The camera misses the moment but it looks like Dela shoved Jensen, causing him to fall backwards and just miss hitting his head on the ledge. While he is down, Jesse throws Jensen's walkie-talkie down the sidewalk. The filmer offers Jensen a hand up which he refuses. Jensen then charges Jesse. Jesse holds his board in both hands, then switches it to his right. It arcs upward over Jensen's head, looking like he might have tried to use it to hit him but Jensen grabs his arms and it falls to the side. Another person in the crew who I don't immediately recognize steps in to pull them apart and, after the three struggle, Jensen falls backwards, hitting his head on the ground. Jensen is clearly out and everybody dips.[close]
(Everyone dipped to Mexico according to people who know them)
Thanks for the write-up. Seems Dela is the main guy in this scene.
It's as easy as saying, "fuck of, kook" and leaving the minute Jensen throws the board into the street. I think Dela is largely responsible for it getting violent...
We all know there are systemic issues with cops and other figures of authority abusing their power. From your description of the footage, Jensen seemed eager to prove something and was aggressive, like a lot of cops and security are. But Dela immediately shoved him when the board was tossed, quickly matching that energy and kicking off the power struggle that never should have occurred. Instead of yelling at his friend to leave it alone, Jesse does act to further escalate the situation by kicking the walkie talkie. The guard should have had more self control and not charged at a group of young men holding skateboards, and I'm willing to bet he wasn't trained to try to beat up on skateboarders. However, if they had the sense to leave the spot, none of it would have happened.
We need to remember that these guys weren't just harassed for walking down the street. They were engaged in clearly prohibited activity, and no matter how good the clip is going to be, when it's time to stop it's time to stop. The confrontation is not worth it, even if it never moves past shouting. Skateboarding is not some terrible activity that needs to be squashed with hostility like it so often is, but until shit changes just keep it moving when the time comes.
But you see what you did there? You started being sick to your stomach about a post that happened prior to the incident and went on about people hitting with sticks and bats when the guard was NOT hit by a skateboard. It was extremely bad judgement by all parties. The skaters should have left and the guard should not have confronted them aggressively. It was on video so I'm guessing he wasn't convicted because the DA realized it was a mutual confrontation and not some random attack. Still thinking its on Thrasher is stretch - what if the clip goes to a Pizza or CONS edit, is Thrasher off the hook? If a skater is hurt during filming is the company responsible?Expand QuoteGX was definitely called out when it went down and JV went to jail. Not really sure how Thrasher is responsible - are they responsible for anything that a skater does in video or mag? Is converse responsible since dela was there? I get why they are included in the lawsuit but the lawyer gets paid to get the client paid so they go after the deepest pockets.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x (http://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x)[close]
This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.[close][close]
Can you elaborate on how GX was “called out”? That isn’t really the same as being legally held accountable.
This shitbag went to jail because he couldn’t post bail during his trial — he wasn’t sentenced to any time as punishment for his crime. And yes, this was assault with a deadly weapon. Call me judge and jury, but he should be in jail as punishment. To be held accountable for his actions that have had permanent and lifelong impact on another human being.
Thrasher promotes these assholes. Thrasher funds and publicizes them. So yeah, Thrasher should be held accountable as well. Why was it so important for them to stay at that spot? What was their ultimate purpose for wanting to skate it sooo fucking badly that they felt entitled to beat another human being on the head with their boards? Think about that. Think about the answers to that. And yeah, the other scumbag and Cons should absolutely be held accountable. Seems like he got off for some reason. They have stated behind closed doors that they have no remorse. Fucking demons. That is some next level depravity. KIDS wasn’t cool then and that shitty scumbaggy dirty next level disregard for other human beings isn’t cool now.
But you see what you did there? You started being sick to your stomach about a post that happened prior to the incident and went on about people hitting with sticks and bats when the guard was NOT hit by a skateboard. It was extremely bad judgement by all parties. The skaters should have left and the guard should not have confronted them aggressively. It was on video so I'm guessing he wasn't convicted because the DA realized it was a mutual confrontation and not some random attack. Still thinking its on Thrasher is stretch - what if the clip goes to a Pizza or CONS edit, is Thrasher off the hook? If a skater is hurt during filming is the company responsible?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGX was definitely called out when it went down and JV went to jail. Not really sure how Thrasher is responsible - are they responsible for anything that a skater does in video or mag? Is converse responsible since dela was there? I get why they are included in the lawsuit but the lawyer gets paid to get the client paid so they go after the deepest pockets.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x (http://www.instagram.com/p/BqIpc28lsF6/?igshid=obiq6e1n0o8x)[close]
This is absolutely abhorrent. The fact that 5,309 people liked this is making me sick to my stomach. Can you imagine if some NHL player beat someone into a coma with their hockey stick? Or an MLB athlete used their bat to give someone brain damage? Why Thrasher even continues to back GX is mind boggling. Why the industry hasn't called out Thrasher and GX is just gross. Shame on all of them. Disgusting fools and assholes. I really hope they are all held accountable.[close][close]
Can you elaborate on how GX was “called out”? That isn’t really the same as being legally held accountable.
This shitbag went to jail because he couldn’t post bail during his trial — he wasn’t sentenced to any time as punishment for his crime. And yes, this was assault with a deadly weapon. Call me judge and jury, but he should be in jail as punishment. To be held accountable for his actions that have had permanent and lifelong impact on another human being.
Thrasher promotes these assholes. Thrasher funds and publicizes them. So yeah, Thrasher should be held accountable as well. Why was it so important for them to stay at that spot? What was their ultimate purpose for wanting to skate it sooo fucking badly that they felt entitled to beat another human being on the head with their boards? Think about that. Think about the answers to that. And yeah, the other scumbag and Cons should absolutely be held accountable. Seems like he got off for some reason. They have stated behind closed doors that they have no remorse. Fucking demons. That is some next level depravity. KIDS wasn’t cool then and that shitty scumbaggy dirty next level disregard for other human beings isn’t cool now.[close]
But you see what you did there? You started being sick to your stomach about a post that happened prior to the incident and went on about people hitting with sticks and bats when the guard was NOT hit by a skateboard. It was extremely bad judgement by all parties. The skaters should have left and the guard should not have confronted them aggressively. It was on video so I'm guessing he wasn't convicted because the DA realized it was a mutual confrontation and not some random attack. Still thinking its on Thrasher is stretch - what if the clip goes to a Pizza or CONS edit, is Thrasher off the hook? If a skater is hurt during filming is the company responsible?
It's as easy as saying, "fuck of, kook" and leaving the minute Jensen throws the board into the street. I think Dela is largely responsible for it getting violent...
We all know there are systemic issues with cops and other figures of authority abusing their power. From your description of the footage, Jensen seemed eager to prove something and was aggressive, like a lot of cops and security are. But Dela immediately shoved him when the board was tossed, quickly matching that energy and kicking off the power struggle that never should have occurred. Instead of yelling at his friend to leave it alone, Jesse does act to further escalate the situation by kicking the walkie talkie. The guard should have had more self control and not charged at a group of young men holding skateboards, and I'm willing to bet he wasn't trained to try to beat up on skateboarders. However, if they had the sense to leave the spot, none of it would have happened.
We need to remember that these guys weren't just harassed for walking down the street. They were engaged in clearly prohibited activity, and no matter how good the clip is going to be, when it's time to stop it's time to stop. The confrontation is not worth it, even if it never moves past shouting. Skateboarding is not some terrible activity that needs to be squashed with hostility like it so often is, but until shit changes just keep it moving when the time comes.
Where do you think the ego to be able to behave like that comes from? Being gassed up and protected by the mag of course. Something in the culture out there is pretty foul and if were being honest if these were some brown kids nobody ever heard of theyd be on a hellride straight to prison
Expand QuoteWhere do you think the ego to be able to behave like that comes from? Being gassed up and protected by the mag of course. Something in the culture out there is pretty foul and if were being honest if these were some brown kids nobody ever heard of theyd be on a hellride straight to prison[close]
This the same argument about violent music and video games. That people wouldn't behave aggressively if these mediums didn't "display" or "glorify" violence
I think you have something correct about culture, but it isn't related to skateboarding and goes to the problem of america in general. I mean UFC and MMA is one of the most discussed hobbies online these days...
No it’s literally nothing like mma. Majority of mma fighters in public are usually reserved and humble and would not need back up if an altercation would occur.
If these kids were skating black rock solo they probably would have listened to this man instead of disabling him for life.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere do you think the ego to be able to behave like that comes from? Being gassed up and protected by the mag of course. Something in the culture out there is pretty foul and if were being honest if these were some brown kids nobody ever heard of theyd be on a hellride straight to prison[close]
This the same argument about violent music and video games. That people wouldn't behave aggressively if these mediums didn't "display" or "glorify" violence
I think you have something correct about culture, but it isn't related to skateboarding and goes to the problem of america in general. I mean UFC and MMA is one of the most discussed hobbies online these days...[close]
Not sure it's quite the same argument, as violence in music and video games is strictly make-believe. Skate media do show and to an extent exalt real-life confrontation.
At the same time I'm also not sure this is a product of that. Dela is full-grown. He's not doing what he learned in videos is he. He appears to act wildly stupid all of his own accord; I doubt he has footage on his mind. Some security guard's mojo acts up and it gets to you, honestly? For having your board chucked? Calm down man. Militant security guards are tragicomedy. Laugh at them if you must - plenty of skate media do. Then leave.
I dunno I've worked and skated around SF from 98-11 and got shit all the time so Im not sure why both sides get so heated.
Expand QuoteOf all this, I am particularly interested, but not surprised, to find out that Thrasher owns GX whole cloth. Makes sense, when you consider that GX is becoming something of a skater streetwear brand right as Thrasher became a little too mainstream for some.[close]
They likely own Atlantic Drift outright as well
Expand QuoteI dunno I've worked and skated around SF from 98-11 and got shit all the time so Im not sure why both sides get so heated.[close]
exactly. it's not like it was their first time there. they've skated black rock before and have gotten kicked out. they know how it goes.
they just don't give a fuck and it's apparent through the videos and shit you hear they don't. the entitlement in these guys is insane. like posting their van up in people's driveways blasting music and leaving beer cans in front, causing the next crew to deal with the heat caused by these guys. bars are still kinda closed so now they can't be like wallflowers anymore, creeping on all the women at oldies nite or at any of those small ass bars that get so packed they just post up outside all night. jesus, what a shitty vibe whenever these guys were around.
in the original security footage, you can see jansen setting up the barricades and then they're taking them away. of course jansen would be pissed the 2nd or 3rd time around. bully shit. then they dip to mexico for a while til it blows over like some scary-ass hoebois. now dela's living in sac scott-free and jesse's still skating on the low. funny how jamal was supposedly the one that called the ambulance, then got wrapped up in some shit himself. where's he at now, florida? throw yonnie (moved to la), al (hiding in ftc basement) & joogy (pizza box) in the mix and that whole group is toxic as fuck. it's no wonder that crew/scene is falling apart. "arrive. raise hell. leave." while everyone else is left to deal with their shit afterwards.
i mean, they shoulda left at this point:
(https://i.imgur.com/tUMyeue.jpg)
instead, they chose to do this:
(https://i.imgur.com/H3dqmJ5.jpg)
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage/2745/
theres two trademarks filed for GX1000. One is owned by Highspeed productions for "Entertainment services in the nature of a series of short shows featuring extreme sports distributed via various platforms across multiple forms of transmission media..." The other one is owned by GX1000 LLC for hardgoods like skateboards and such.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOf all this, I am particularly interested, but not surprised, to find out that Thrasher owns GX whole cloth. Makes sense, when you consider that GX is becoming something of a skater streetwear brand right as Thrasher became a little too mainstream for some.[close]
They likely own Atlantic Drift outright as well[close]
GX started on Slap and moved to Thrasher, they own the name. Not sure about Atlantic Drift since they are selling their own gear separately from Thrasher.
theres two trademarks filed for GX1000. One is owned by Highspeed productions for "Entertainment services in the nature of a series of short shows featuring extreme sports distributed via various platforms across multiple forms of transmission media..." The other one is owned by GX1000 LLC for hardgoods like skateboards and such.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOf all this, I am particularly interested, but not surprised, to find out that Thrasher owns GX whole cloth. Makes sense, when you consider that GX is becoming something of a skater streetwear brand right as Thrasher became a little too mainstream for some.[close]
They likely own Atlantic Drift outright as well[close]
GX started on Slap and moved to Thrasher, they own the name. Not sure about Atlantic Drift since they are selling their own gear separately from Thrasher.[close]
No it’s literally nothing like mma. Majority of mma fighters in public are usually reserved and humble and would not need back up if an altercation would occur. If these kids were skating black rock solo they probably would have listened to this man instead of disabling him for life.
I don’t speak legalese. How the hell does Donald Trump factor in to this shit?probably owns or has a stake in the building or some business in it would be my guess.
It's interesting to go back to the first few pages of this thread and see how much the tone of the discussion has shifted.Even better is seeing who said what in this thread
Brian Delatorre is a bitch for starting the physical confrontation and then running away.
Dude in no way deserved any sort of injury from this, but suing the building owner seems like some bs. Can he not sue the actual people involved?
Wut
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Almost immediately fleeing country mean?
Did they leave or not? The key word is almost
Have you ever heard that bib dielan sing about tired wild horses?
I kinda always hated on Dylan but that song really is good.
I almost immediately felt like a horse
The tough part about his suit against his employer is that he was almost certainly operating outside the scope of his responsibility when the altercation occured. Very likely that his directive in this situation was to verbally request for the skaters to leave the property and if that did not happen then he was to involve the police in the matter. His employment contract/training had to have specifically dictated that he not get involved in a verbal or physical altercation with anyone on the property and to deescalate any such situation in order to avoid exactly this scenario.
It's also entirely possible that he has to sue his employer based on workman's comp law just to get whatever the state of California says he's entitled to. The money would still come from the state but out of the funds that all businesses pay into to cover their employees for on site accidents. I think this situation is what tainted Frankie Hill's name way back when.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl9Ta0je7oExpand QuoteIt's also entirely possible that he has to sue his employer based on workman's comp law just to get whatever the state of California says he's entitled to. The money would still come from the state but out of the funds that all businesses pay into to cover their employees for on site accidents. I think this situation is what tainted Frankie Hill's name way back when.[close]
Some good info. To clarify - are you saying that Frankie Hill sued a sponsor in order to collect unemployment?
The tough part about his suit against his employer is that he was almost certainly operating outside the scope of his responsibility when the altercation occured. Very likely that his directive in this situation was to verbally request for the skaters to leave the property and if that did not happen then he was to involve the police in the matter. His employment contract/training had to have specifically dictated that he not get involved in a verbal or physical altercation with anyone on the property and to deescalate any such situation in order to avoid exactly this scenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl9Ta0je7o
@3:25 From the horses mouth. Shoutout Nate Sherwood
Expand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl9Ta0je7o
@3:25 From the horses mouth. Shoutout Nate Sherwood[close]
What a bummer. Skate companies should be providing health insurance, especially one as old and established as Powell.
I love how logical Frankie seems about the whole thing.
I'm a huge proponent of 'make the change you want to see', so hopefully these new, skater-originated brands are thinking about how to take care of themselves and their riders. Call me an asshole, but companies withlameterrible graphics, holding onto their now decades-old golden years while doing little to promote the future of skating can piss-off.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl9Ta0je7o
@3:25 From the horses mouth. Shoutout Nate Sherwood[close]
What a bummer. Skate companies should be providing health insurance, especially one as old and established as Powell.
I love how logical Frankie seems about the whole thing.
I'm a huge proponent of 'make the change you want to see', so hopefully these new, skater-originated brands are thinking about how to take care of themselves and their riders. Call me an asshole, but companies withlameterrible graphics, holding onto their now decades-old golden years while doing little to promote the future of skating can piss-off.[close]
Powell still puts out boards for their old roster, Cab has had a board for decades, and still gets royalties. Frankie Hill too, they still make his boards.
How is a ‘new, skewer-oriented brand (with terrbible graphics) going to last a fraction as long as Powell and still put out boards for their alumni?
Powell has done stupid shit, and while people kook them for being a ‘nostalgie’ brand (even though they have pushed the technology for wheel, bearings, and now board longevity), you can say that they still sell boards for the riders who helped the brand succeed.
How many other brands do that 40 years in? How many brands are going to last long enough to do that?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl9Ta0je7o
@3:25 From the horses mouth. Shoutout Nate Sherwood[close]
What a bummer. Skate companies should be providing health insurance, especially one as old and established as Powell.
I love how logical Frankie seems about the whole thing.
I'm a huge proponent of 'make the change you want to see', so hopefully these new, skater-originated brands are thinking about how to take care of themselves and their riders. Call me an asshole, but companies withlameterrible graphics, holding onto their now decades-old golden years while doing little to promote the future of skating can piss-off.[close]
Powell still puts out boards for their old roster, Cab has had a board for decades, and still gets royalties. Frankie Hill too, they still make his boards.
How is a ‘new, skewer-oriented brand (with terrbible graphics) going to last a fraction as long as Powell and still put out boards for their alumni?
Powell has done stupid shit, and while people kook them for being a ‘nostalgie’ brand (even though they have pushed the technology for wheel, bearings, and now board longevity), you can say that they still sell boards for the riders who helped the brand succeed.
How many other brands do that 40 years in? How many brands are going to last long enough to do that?[close]
I think my meaning was lost trying to write something witty.
I was saying that Powell is a brand with terrible graphics (minus some of Cab's and the older releases) that is riding off the coat-tails of its 30-year-old golden age, while not really doing much to fuse with, and promote, the current state of skateboarding.
I do agree that they deserve credit for their technological contributions to skateboarding and ability to fund OG-riders. I don't think the former was a 'Powell-or-it-couldnt-have-been-done' situation, and the latter is a meh point to me. The graveyards of skateboarding is littered with pro's who I cared about more than Hosoi and Cab (but I come from the 90's gen).
Damn. I forgot about this shit... Now makes me wonder what/how dan is doing. Can only wish him the best.
Man, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3
Man, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3
I would think the reason for doing this is if Black Rock is own by a big corporation that owns tons of real estate they may just try to have their insurance settle out, rather than have a drawn out court battle. Type of thing where they cut homie a 20Grand check rather than spend way more than that with a court battle over there head.Expand QuoteDude in no way deserved any sort of injury from this, but suing the building owner seems like some bs. Can he not sue the actual people involved?[close]
Seems to be that they’re being held to account for not doing anything to address or stop Black Rock from being a skate spot even after repeated warnings or complaints.
I get what you’re saying except for one.
The ‘current state of skateboarding’.
What is it? There are no more ‘singular’ cool fashions that everyone must follow. The doors blew open a while ago. So you could argue they have the skater that best represents that- &&.
But seriously, that have a great team of current riders covering all different styles of riding, and my big beef with Powell is that they don’t promote them enough. Not nearly. They need to start dropping videos again.
Expand QuoteDude in no way deserved any sort of injury from this, but suing the building owner seems like some bs. Can he not sue the actual people involved?[close]
Seems to be that they’re being held to account for not doing anything to address or stop Black Rock from being a skate spot even after repeated warnings or complaints.
Expand QuoteMan, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3[close]
Let's think logically instead of emotionally here bud, what part of physically trying to make skaters leave was in his job description? He didn't care about his job as low level security guards have it in writing not to physically touch anyone and would have been fired for his actions.
He only cared about enforcing authority he didn't actually have and felt like he was a super hero worthy of being on a cereal box but ended up the cereal bowl.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMan, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3[close]
Let's think logically instead of emotionally here bud, what part of physically trying to make skaters leave was in his job description? He didn't care about his job as low level security guards have it in writing not to physically touch anyone and would have been fired for his actions.
He only cared about enforcing authority he didn't actually have and felt like he was a super hero worthy of being on a cereal box but ended up the cereal bowl.[close]
I disagree with you and im just gonna give two points.
1. the skaters could just fucking leave at any point to end the confrontation. this was what, the second or third time they were there riling up the same dude?
2. under capitalism, you dont have to have something be in your job description for something to be a part of your job. Every single job i have ever had, has had job expectations that were not in the job description. He could absolutely have been fired for letting them skate the spot, and probably wouldnt even get to collect unemployment.
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I get what you’re saying except for one.
The ‘current state of skateboarding’.
What is it? There are no more ‘singular’ cool fashions that everyone must follow. The doors blew open a while ago. So you could argue they have the skater that best represents that- &&.
But seriously, that have a great team of current riders covering all different styles of riding, and my big beef with Powell is that they don’t promote them enough. Not nearly. They need to start dropping videos again.[close]
I'm with you and meant that they should be fostering their own current state of skateboarding.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDude in no way deserved any sort of injury from this, but suing the building owner seems like some bs. Can he not sue the actual people involved?[close]
Seems to be that they’re being held to account for not doing anything to address or stop Black Rock from being a skate spot even after repeated warnings or complaints.[close]
'I was supposed to have a job where I could just sit on my butt and watch the tvs'. If security is supposed to call the cops at the first sight of real trouble, what else was that guy's job besides kicking out skaters and telling visitors what floor the bathrooms were on?
It seems like he was out of his jurisdiction and is trying to put the blame for his actions (and those of the skaters) on someone else.
EDIT: I just realized that you were probably clarifying what his suit was about, not really trying to defend it. Man, I'm an argumentative sally.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMan, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3[close]
Let's think logically instead of emotionally here bud, what part of physically trying to make skaters leave was in his job description? He didn't care about his job as low level security guards have it in writing not to physically touch anyone and would have been fired for his actions.
He only cared about enforcing authority he didn't actually have and felt like he was a super hero worthy of being on a cereal box but ended up the cereal bowl.[close]
I disagree with you and im just gonna give two points.
1. the skaters could just fucking leave at any point to end the confrontation. this was what, the second or third time they were there riling up the same dude?
2. under capitalism, you dont have to have something be in your job description for something to be a part of your job. Every single job i have ever had, has had job expectations that were not in the job description. He could absolutely have been fired for letting them skate the spot, and probably wouldnt even get to collect unemployment.
You do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.Here's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.
Here's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close]
Expand QuoteHere's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close][close]
this dude was a security guard not a cop. when was the last time a security guard killed someone
This is a bad point for sure actually, just because you want power and authority doesn't automatically make you adept enough to achieve it, many of them will take what they can get.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHere's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close][close]
this dude was a security guard not a cop. when was the last time a security guard killed someone[close]
this for sure. security guards have almost zero power, yet deal with more disrespect than cops imho
we are just throwing our worthless opinions around in pure speculation.
This is a bad point for sure actually, just because you want power and authority doesn't automatically make you adept enough to achieve it, many of them will take what they can get.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close][close]
this dude was a security guard not a cop. when was the last time a security guard killed someone[close]
this for sure. security guards have almost zero power, yet deal with more disrespect than cops imho[close]
That's what the ape thinks, in reality common sense is no longer common nor is it valued, look at yourself for an example.Expand QuoteThis is a bad point for sure actually, just because you want power and authority doesn't automatically make you adept enough to achieve it, many of them will take what they can get.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close][close]
this dude was a security guard not a cop. when was the last time a security guard killed someone[close]
this for sure. security guards have almost zero power, yet deal with more disrespect than cops imho[close][close]
you have the most ironic username in history
how do you feel about crossing guards lmao
That's what the ape thinks, in reality common sense is no longer common nor is it valued, look at yourself for an example.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a bad point for sure actually, just because you want power and authority doesn't automatically make you adept enough to achieve it, many of them will take what they can get.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close][close]
this dude was a security guard not a cop. when was the last time a security guard killed someone[close]
this for sure. security guards have almost zero power, yet deal with more disrespect than cops imho[close][close]
you have the most ironic username in history
how do you feel about crossing guards lmao[close]
Also are you assuming i don't like security guards or something here?
Expand QuoteThat's what the ape thinks, in reality common sense is no longer common nor is it valued, look at yourself for an example.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis is a bad point for sure actually, just because you want power and authority doesn't automatically make you adept enough to achieve it, many of them will take what they can get.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHere's the thing I would have agreed with you in the past but now i realize how many people search for jobs not for the money but for the authority and power it gives them over other humans. I don't think it's unnecessary to roast the one guy it caught up too when many of these power trippers will try to ruin people's lives, assault them and sometimes even kill someone and get away with it.Expand QuoteYou do present an air of “he kinda deserved it” because he was not explicitly authorized to act the way he did. This man’s life is destroyed, he may not even be aware his life is destroyed, and the people who love him are burdened for the rest of his and their life. The “weeeeellll actually he wasn’t supposed to be doing…” line of thought is obvious to everyone, unnecessary, and just generally… distasteful.[close][close]
this dude was a security guard not a cop. when was the last time a security guard killed someone[close]
this for sure. security guards have almost zero power, yet deal with more disrespect than cops imho[close][close]
you have the most ironic username in history
how do you feel about crossing guards lmao[close]
Also are you assuming i don't like security guards or something here?[close]
unless u like “power trippers who try to ruin people lives, assault them, and sometimes kill people” which is how you described them
Expand QuoteMan, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3[close]
Let's think logically instead of emotionally here bud, what part of physically trying to make skaters leave was in his job description? He didn't care about his job as low level security guards have it in writing not to physically touch anyone and would have been fired for his actions.
He only cared about enforcing authority he didn't actually have and felt like he was a super hero worthy of being on a cereal box but ended up the cereal bowl.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMan, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3[close]
Let's think logically instead of emotionally here bud, what part of physically trying to make skaters leave was in his job description? He didn't care about his job as low level security guards have it in writing not to physically touch anyone and would have been fired for his actions.
He only cared about enforcing authority he didn't actually have and felt like he was a super hero worthy of being on a cereal box but ended up the cereal bowl.[close]
Sorry that my empathy towards someone came off as some kind of negative emotionality to you. Also, if you watch the video, the security just tosses the skater's board away from the ledge then the skater pushes security. The skater (Dela? idk who it is) started the physical altercation. Over what?? A fucking backside 50-50? At that point it becomes self-defense for him to become physical because he was being ASSAULTED. I haven't seen what happened beforehand but I think its safe to assume that the guard asked or told them to leave. Sure, he could have called the cops, sure he could have did xyz, but how is it okay to repeatedly push a security guard over for throwing your board? Everyone on this site has been kicked out of spots, just leave and come back at a later time. FYI skaters have no authority over public or private properties either! All because you have a skateboard doesnt mean you get a pass on not being a decent, respectable, non-violent person. I'm not trying to roast you, man, but grow up and develop some compassion. The world (and security guards) aren't out to get you. Peace.
Expand QuoteMan, I haven't posted in years, but fuck the GX crew, Brian Delatorre, and whoever else involved with this.
I just saw the photos of Dan in the hospital and I suffered a TBI last year wherein the person that caused it lied and left me with massive bills and I also could've died. These injuries are no joke. Dan was just doing his job, why the fuck would you attack someone trying to stop you from doing a mediocre-at-best trick? Or any trick at that matter?? Anyone that thinks that way needs to grow the fuck up and be punished to the full extent of the law. Dude is in his mid-30s with the angsty, entitled, and self-centered mentality of a 13 year old. Skateboard culture really needs to get it together. It seems so messed up lately (this, Jarne, Yonnie Cruz). Maybe it's just always been like this and it's just easier to air the bad shit out now. Rightfully so, skateboarding shouldn't exalt fucked up assholes anymore. It's 2021...
Condolences and best wishes to Dan and his friends and family. <3[close]
Let's think logically instead of emotionally here bud, what part of physically trying to make skaters leave was in his job description? He didn't care about his job as low level security guards have it in writing not to physically touch anyone and would have been fired for his actions.
He only cared about enforcing authority he didn't actually have and felt like he was a super hero worthy of being on a cereal box but ended up the cereal bowl.
Is this spot a bust now?It’s chill dude. Bust free. Get those clips
Never forget
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Is this spot a bust now?
Bumping this cause relevant , cons dropped a Brian delatorre shoe today and it’s just funny that after all the issues they’ve with riders like jj and al Davis getting kicked off but Brian delatorre helped put a security guard in a vegetative state and the fled the country and deleted his socials to hide from his crimes but he gets a shoe? Fuck cons
Bumping this cause relevant , cons dropped a Brian delatorre shoe today and it’s just funny that after all the issues they’ve with riders like jj and al Davis getting kicked off but Brian delatorre helped put a security guard in a vegetative state and the fled the country and deleted his socials to hide from his crimes but he gets a shoe? Fuck consffs every time i read jj my heart drops for a sec because i think ur talking about jake johnson
Bumping this cause relevant , cons dropped a Brian delatorre shoe today and it’s just funny that after all the issues they’ve with riders like jj and al Davis getting kicked off but Brian delatorre helped put a security guard in a vegetative state and the fled the country and deleted his socials to hide from his crimes but he gets a shoe? Fuck cons
to my understanding dela never hit the security guard.(or did he?)
I’m pretty sure he got him riled up which led to the guard hitting Jesse which then resulted in jesse hitting the guard back, but does that warrant him getting dropped from his sponsors?
Seems like he just heckled the security likemostIDIOTS do when they get they boot.
getting kicked out of spots is part of the game, assaulting some old guy b/c ur an emotional psychopath.. thats on them, i feel no sympathy for this guy
Pizza has a hook up at Zumiez so they can do whatever they want. The brand manager Todd K Lown is their homie and has his own shit brand called Sausage. They've got these thug brands disguised as kid friendly. Todd is a horrible person. He's friends with that psycho mike that got fired from 35th north for stalking young girls through credit card information. These guys are role models to these asshole kids in Seattle. Todd is a special piece of shit. Shops don't carry this shit, but all the big box skate shops carry it cause Zumiez does. Those guys on Pizza are encouraged to behave like idiots. They had a graphic, most hated brand. It makes sense when they've got a guy prioritizing these shit companies over core brands like NHS and DLX.
Yup. You got that right. The brand manager at Zumiez is a guy named Todd Klown who owns a Pizza affiliated brand called Sausage. He provides distribution Pizza and Sausage distribution over legitimate brands whenever possible. He claims he's SLIM from this graffiti crew in Texas called DAC. The problem with that is there's a bar up here called Slims Last chance named after a very well known skater from the Jax who was in The same town the whole time this crew was around. He's false claiming is what is said around town. I'm not from here but I seen how they lost their basketball team and how they let bike polo take over the courts. Fuck Zumiez for ever giving Pizza the recognition in the first place. Please give a lot of these big boxes time to sell out of inventory before slinging mud. I've talked with most of these places and will finally be talking with Paul about why he is even manufacturing this unless he comes here first. The final nail in the coffin is Vincent Miliou.Expand QuotePizza has a hook up at Zumiez so they can do whatever they want. The brand manager Todd K Lown is their homie and has his own shit brand called Sausage. They've got these thug brands disguised as kid friendly. Todd is a horrible person. He's friends with that psycho mike that got fired from 35th north for stalking young girls through credit card information. These guys are role models to these asshole kids in Seattle. Todd is a special piece of shit. Shops don't carry this shit, but all the big box skate shops carry it cause Zumiez does. Those guys on Pizza are encouraged to behave like idiots. They had a graphic, most hated brand. It makes sense when they've got a guy prioritizing these shit companies over core brands like NHS and DLX.[close]
this guys name is Todd Klown? i dont know anything about these nu-brands but yea its a lil appalling i didnt know pizza still sells stuff under his name , not good ethics an d i wouldnt be surprised if the owner is another fat pedophile that just happened to pick up a skateboard in the 90s
Yup. You got that right. The brand manager at Zumiez is a guy named Todd Klown who owns a Pizza affiliated brand called Sausage. He provides distribution Pizza and Sausage distribution over legitimate brands whenever possible. He claims he's SLIM from this graffiti crew in Texas called DAC. The problem with that is there's a bar up here called Slims Last chance named after a very well known skater from the Jax who was in The same town the whole time this crew was around. He's false claiming is what is said around town. I'm not from here but I seen how they lost their basketball team and how they let bike polo take over the courts. Fuck Zumiez for ever giving Pizza the recognition in the first place. Please give a lot of these big boxes time to sell out of inventory before slinging mud. I've talked with most of these places and will finally be talking with Paul about why he is even manufacturing this unless he comes here first. The final nail in the coffin is Vincent Miliou.Expand QuoteExpand QuotePizza has a hook up at Zumiez so they can do whatever they want. The brand manager Todd K Lown is their homie and has his own shit brand called Sausage. They've got these thug brands disguised as kid friendly. Todd is a horrible person. He's friends with that psycho mike that got fired from 35th north for stalking young girls through credit card information. These guys are role models to these asshole kids in Seattle. Todd is a special piece of shit. Shops don't carry this shit, but all the big box skate shops carry it cause Zumiez does. Those guys on Pizza are encouraged to behave like idiots. They had a graphic, most hated brand. It makes sense when they've got a guy prioritizing these shit companies over core brands like NHS and DLX.[close]
this guys name is Todd Klown? i dont know anything about these nu-brands but yea its a lil appalling i didnt know pizza still sells stuff under his name , not good ethics an d i wouldnt be surprised if the owner is another fat pedophile that just happened to pick up a skateboard in the 90s[close]
Fighting/arguing/trash talking security guards is such kook jock shit.
Expand QuoteYup. You got that right. The brand manager at Zumiez is a guy named Todd Klown who owns a Pizza affiliated brand called Sausage. He provides distribution Pizza and Sausage distribution over legitimate brands whenever possible. He claims he's SLIM from this graffiti crew in Texas called DAC. The problem with that is there's a bar up here called Slims Last chance named after a very well known skater from the Jax who was in The same town the whole time this crew was around. He's false claiming is what is said around town. I'm not from here but I seen how they lost their basketball team and how they let bike polo take over the courts. Fuck Zumiez for ever giving Pizza the recognition in the first place. Please give a lot of these big boxes time to sell out of inventory before slinging mud. I've talked with most of these places and will finally be talking with Paul about why he is even manufacturing this unless he comes here first. The final nail in the coffin is Vincent Miliou.Expand QuoteExpand QuotePizza has a hook up at Zumiez so they can do whatever they want. The brand manager Todd K Lown is their homie and has his own shit brand called Sausage. They've got these thug brands disguised as kid friendly. Todd is a horrible person. He's friends with that psycho mike that got fired from 35th north for stalking young girls through credit card information. These guys are role models to these asshole kids in Seattle. Todd is a special piece of shit. Shops don't carry this shit, but all the big box skate shops carry it cause Zumiez does. Those guys on Pizza are encouraged to behave like idiots. They had a graphic, most hated brand. It makes sense when they've got a guy prioritizing these shit companies over core brands like NHS and DLX.[close]
this guys name is Todd Klown? i dont know anything about these nu-brands but yea its a lil appalling i didnt know pizza still sells stuff under his name , not good ethics an d i wouldnt be surprised if the owner is another fat pedophile that just happened to pick up a skateboard in the 90s[close][close]
What the fuck are you talking about? Slims last chance being named after a skater? Something about us losing the super sonics? People were playing bike polo at the courts since before I lived on 10th and John st and a few of them were skaters too.
Have you even been to Slims Last Chance? You do know its a chili joint thats rockabilly/biker themed right?
Skaters been at the courts since at least the early 2000s before bike polo existed. Skaters participating in bike polo is foul. Slims last chance was named after a badass skater from the Jax. Yes, you lost your supersonics. This city would sell it's football team for a crack rock.Expand QuoteYup. You got that right. The brand manager at Zumiez is a guy named Todd Klown who owns a Pizza affiliated brand called Sausage. He provides distribution Pizza and Sausage distribution over legitimate brands whenever possible. He claims he's SLIM from this graffiti crew in Texas called DAC. The problem with that is there's a bar up here called Slims Last chance named after a very well known skater from the Jax who was in The same town the whole time this crew was around. He's false claiming is what is said around town. I'm not from here but I seen how they lost their basketball team and how they let bike polo take over the courts. Fuck Zumiez for ever giving Pizza the recognition in the first place. Please give a lot of these big boxes time to sell out of inventory before slinging mud. I've talked with most of these places and will finally be talking with Paul about why he is even manufacturing this unless he comes here first. The final nail in the coffin is Vincent Miliou.Expand QuoteExpand QuotePizza has a hook up at Zumiez so they can do whatever they want. The brand manager Todd K Lown is their homie and has his own shit brand called Sausage. They've got these thug brands disguised as kid friendly. Todd is a horrible person. He's friends with that psycho mike that got fired from 35th north for stalking young girls through credit card information. These guys are role models to these asshole kids in Seattle. Todd is a special piece of shit. Shops don't carry this shit, but all the big box skate shops carry it cause Zumiez does. Those guys on Pizza are encouraged to behave like idiots. They had a graphic, most hated brand. It makes sense when they've got a guy prioritizing these shit companies over core brands like NHS and DLX.[close]
this guys name is Todd Klown? i dont know anything about these nu-brands but yea its a lil appalling i didnt know pizza still sells stuff under his name , not good ethics an d i wouldnt be surprised if the owner is another fat pedophile that just happened to pick up a skateboard in the 90s[close][close]
What the fuck are you talking about? Slims last chance being named after a skater? Something about us losing the super sonics? People were playing bike polo at the courts since before I lived on 10th and John st and a few of them were skaters too.
Have you even been to Slims Last Chance? You do know its a chili joint thats rockabilly/biker themed right?
Seriously, I don’t even think they play bike polo at Cal Anderson anymore you weirdo. That was like 5-10 years agoThey were there with regular nights until maybe 2 years ago when we vibed them out. They went to the city and got permission to use it on certain nights and would come many nights when they weren't scheduled. When I moved up here and heard the story and how everyone rolled over and let them have it. They're the reason everything was getting thrown away. They'd complain to the city about as all the skate stuff. Who the fuck are you anyways? 5 to 10 years ago. What the fuck are you talking about?
Anyone else feel like this Goodcurbs breh is echoing the same points that rat basher, Skatebat used to drone on about before they got their posting wings clipped, or is it just me catching those vibes?
Expand QuoteAnyone else feel like this Goodcurbs breh is echoing the same points that rat basher, Skatebat used to drone on about before they got their posting wings clipped, or is it just me catching those vibes?[close]
Oh absolutely. One hundred percent.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone else feel like this Goodcurbs breh is echoing the same points that rat basher, Skatebat used to drone on about before they got their posting wings clipped, or is it just me catching those vibes?[close]
Oh absolutely. One hundred percent.[close]
Tldr:
Yeah it's major bull shit. Mods need to come in imo.
The irrelevant/thread derail doxing on a small local brand that all the riders have been busy dad's for a while now and focused on that and not skating cal anderson everyday is stupid AF.
I've never heard that Sausage from Seattle which launched over 10 years ago, and Pizza from Sacramento are affiliated. Need proof on that claim.
There were at least 4 original founders for Sausage, not just Todd, goodcurbs didn't even bring that up....and this weird claim Todd is the pizza plug at Zumiez when Todd isn't even a buyer, his background is graphic design and artwork, he was promoted to brand manager which idk the specifics on that roll but I would guess buyers are the ones to address any pizza buying concerns. So that all sounds like bullshit. Seems really sus to get all bent out of shape and try to dox on slap.
The claims of him being in a Texas graffiti crew and not a Seattle one, if he even does write, besides his artwork, is also a strange claim...but whatever maybe it's true, who cares.
Then slims bar doesn't look at all like his mural work and he's not taking credit for it also super weird thing to bring up... Gossiping he's friends with P. Mike is also weird...Goodcurbs is all over the place with weirdness, red flag.
Goodcurbs admitted he's new to Seattle and clearly cares too much about Cal Anderson lol, but completely left out that dodgeball was the big thing at the current court for years, the other two courts were the earlier skate spots spanning back probably 20 years which I'm almost 100% certain where Sausage skateboard's "Sausage Party" comes from. Pretty sure that's what the OG cal Anderson gatherings were called decades ago. The brand itself was almost called Sausage Party.
Goodcurbs posts should get deleted, banned/focus...then I'll delete my post because it's derailing the thread....but I felt obligated to make a post and bring to the mod's attention.
What in heavens fuck is bike poloIt's a stupid game that requires a tennis court that otherwise would be used for skateboarding.
P.S. what do you think a brand manager's job is? To make art? He's responsible for the brands that Zumiez carries. It's a publicly traded company worth half a billion dollars, that most skate brands depend on for survival. He's definitely the reason Pizza has distribution in the first place. Pizza was based off of Sausage. Just make a kid friendly brand and it will get pushed through Zumiez via the plug Todd K Lown. He has a website. He has a horrible history of violent jock shit, so makes sense he prioritzes brands like Pizza, besides them being his thug homies. The guy is a disgusting piece of shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone else feel like this Goodcurbs breh is echoing the same points that rat basher, Skatebat used to drone on about before they got their posting wings clipped, or is it just me catching those vibes?[close]
Oh absolutely. One hundred percent.[close]
Tldr:
Yeah it's major bull shit. Mods need to come in imo.
The irrelevant/thread derail doxing on a small local brand that all the riders have been busy dad's for a while now and focused on that and not skating cal anderson everyday is stupid AF.
I've never heard that Sausage from Seattle which launched over 10 years ago, and Pizza from Sacramento are affiliated. Need proof on that claim.
There were at least 4 original founders for Sausage, not just Todd, goodcurbs didn't even bring that up....and this weird claim Todd is the pizza plug at Zumiez when Todd isn't even a buyer, his background is graphic design and artwork, he was promoted to brand manager which idk the specifics on that roll but I would guess buyers are the ones to address any pizza buying concerns. So that all sounds like bullshit. Seems really sus to get all bent out of shape and try to dox on slap.
The claims of him being in a Texas graffiti crew and not a Seattle one, if he even does write, besides his artwork, is also a strange claim...but whatever maybe it's true, who cares.
Then slims bar doesn't look at all like his mural work and he's not taking credit for it also super weird thing to bring up... Gossiping he's friends with P. Mike is also weird...Goodcurbs is all over the place with weirdness, red flag.
Goodcurbs admitted he's new to Seattle and clearly cares too much about Cal Anderson lol, but completely left out that dodgeball was the big thing at the current court for years, the other two courts were the earlier skate spots spanning back probably 20 years which I'm almost 100% certain where Sausage skateboard's "Sausage Party" comes from. Pretty sure that's what the OG cal Anderson gatherings were called decades ago. The brand itself was almost called Sausage Party.
Goodcurbs posts should get deleted, banned/focus...then I'll delete my post because it's derailing the thread....but I felt obligated to make a post and bring to the mod's attention.[close]
You're telling mods to intervene because this thread is being derailed. That's some Nazi shit. If Todd is still pushing Jesse Vieira's board through Zumiez with all that bullshit involved, then what does Tiago really have to worry about. That's my point. There will always be corrupt individuals like Todd pushing the agenda of messed up brands like Pizza. I've been here over 5 years and dodgeball has never used the south court.. They use the middle one. If you weren't to busy having kids you might have a clue what's going on. Yeah Todd was in a graffiti crew from Austin Texas where Slim was living at the time. Everyone knows about Slim. Todd's tag should be klown, like his name, not Slim. That is rich that you are begging moderators to intervene for doxing. I'm talking about the owner of a skateboard company who happens to be the brand manager at Zumiez. We can talk about Tiago, Jarne, Yonnie,CK, but it's doxing if we talk about the guy that gives Jesse Vieira a platform to sell his boards? Pizza and Sausage are definitely affiliated. Don't lie about that. That's pathetic you are begging admin to ban comments that are relevant to the ecosystem of skateboarding.
@GoodcurbsSausage is just jock shit disguised as family friendly mall shit. Same with Pizza. Just start a brand the mom's will love. Make it stupid. It will be easy to push this shit out of Zumiez. Do all the violent fuckwad shit you want, with a brand name like Pizza, no one will notice that you'll be able to sell more boards than DLX. I haven't been in Seattle about, but long enough to see what really goes down. It's a good ole boys club. Those two skate brands Pizza and Sausage are affiliated.
How do you know exactly what goes on at Zumiez? Explain that, do you work there? That's the only way one would know. Why is it not a buyers role to buy non-Zumiez product for the stores? Explain away.
Explain how sausage and pizza are affiliated besides being the names of food. Curious to hear.
Tldr:
Yeah it's major bull shit. Mods need to come in imo.
@Goodcurbs
So you're completely guessing then....which seemed super obvious....You can only guess a brand manager's role at Zumiez....and you're making a conspiracy theory that Zumiez has some malicious reasoning.
Then you're saying because Pizza copied Sausage, which is just your dorky opinion, also super obvious the whole time this has been your non industry opinion, just a skater blowing smoke out their ass sitting on a ledge....that because of the copying or similarities that makes them in fact a business partnership like Girl and Chocolate or FA and Hockey? Aka a business affiliation?
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you are so full of hot garbage you remind me of that crazy ass person from Bainbridge Island that made dozens of IG accounts going on and on about how some European Olympic snowboarder murdered Mark Hubbard and Jake Phelps and it ties into the Scott Stamnes memorial jam.
You are the 2.0 version of that. Or you're a bridge burner of some kind lying about everything trying to smear someone. So mods should remove all your shit either way....and you're exploiting a tragic thread to put sausage on blast which is a major red flag on you.
I've been thinking about this the past couple of days:
I know they were on the other side of the conflict with the victim, but what if one of the skaters/filmers present (I only identified Chico, everyone else I do not recognize) for this security guard's injury had chosen to stay behind by the security guard's side until help had arrived? Kind of like how Shareef remained with Harold while the rest of his entourage drove Caine to the hospital in "Menace to Society"...
Imo, that would have been the right thing to do, especially for one of them who didn't actually engage in fisticuffs with the victim (no true culpability at stake).
And I'm not even necessarily talking about saying anything to the cops or naming names afterwards (though I imagine there would be pressure to do so); I'm just talking about a human being sitting with another clearly injured human being, giving him at the least mere company until help could arrive.
These guys all took of faster than Marion Jones coming outta Balco.
If someone had stayed behind, I think they would be seen as a compassionate, decent person in the long run, in retrospect.
But would they be seen as a betrayer by the rest of this group? By skateboarding as a whole? Would they have been ostracized?
A confident, righteous person wouldn't give a shit, but cliques can be weird with what they try to hold folks accountable for, especially when it deviates from their own misbehaviors...
You're telling mods to intervene because this thread is being derailed. That's some Nazi shit.
They’re saying Todd Klown was banned from the skatepark for red pilling people on stoned aped theory and loosh farming . They’re saying he has to stay in Texas and just focus on Zumiez stuff
Expand Quoteit must be hard to fit in anywhere with a name like todd klown[close]
maybe this car and group of people
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i didn’t read all this stuff but there’s no way anyone claiming DAC is being for real, i think that shit has been deaded for a while. RIP KIDSRIP KIDS
Haven’t seen anyone mention this Delfino board by deathwish…
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/collections/pedro-delfino/products/pedro-nightmare-city-deck-8-38
Made me think of this whole incident again. Disturbing way to sell boards to kids and seem edgy.
Haven’t seen anyone mention this Delfino board by deathwish…Ooof. I understand the sentiment, but not sure I'd run that right now.
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/collections/pedro-delfino/products/pedro-nightmare-city-deck-8-38
Made me think of this whole incident again. Disturbing way to sell boards to kids and seem edgy.
Couple thoughtsOoof. I understand the sentiment, but not sure I'd run that right now.Expand QuoteHaven’t seen anyone mention this Delfino board by deathwish…
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/collections/pedro-delfino/products/pedro-nightmare-city-deck-8-38
Made me think of this whole incident again. Disturbing way to sell boards to kids and seem edgy.[close]
(https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/cdn/shop/files/PD-nightmare-city-533-8.3875-mock-shopify_1600x.jpg?v=1697073232)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsOjYbnlMqw/
Haven’t seen anyone mention this Delfino board by deathwish…
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/collections/pedro-delfino/products/pedro-nightmare-city-deck-8-38
Made me think of this whole incident again. Disturbing way to sell boards to kids and seem edgy.
Pretty dumb graphic regardless of the incident. Like dude above said it could have been a nazi or any number of horrible motherfuckers currently emboldened by the state of our decaying society taking that board to the head. Security guards aren’t the enemy unless you’re a 15 year old trying to be an idiot at the mall or something. Thumbs down on this one, Deathwish.
Ooof. I understand the sentiment, but not sure I'd run that right now.Expand QuoteHaven’t seen anyone mention this Delfino board by deathwish…
https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/collections/pedro-delfino/products/pedro-nightmare-city-deck-8-38
Made me think of this whole incident again. Disturbing way to sell boards to kids and seem edgy.[close]
(https://www.deathwishskateboards.com/cdn/shop/files/PD-nightmare-city-533-8.3875-mock-shopify_1600x.jpg?v=1697073232)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsOjYbnlMqw/
I still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.
Expand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.
Expand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
Maybe I’m just old, but if security is being all aggro and shit just fuckin come back later & tell him to go fuck himself as you pack your shit up and leave. You can’t expect regular people to be cool about street skating especially at some high profile spot. Kinda dumb to argue “they both fucked up” when one party is doing something illegal and the other, regardless of how rude or unprofessional they’re being, is literally following protocol.
There’s no universe where a board to the dome is called for when it’s one out of shape middle aged guy against a group of guys in their 20’s unless he pulled out a knife or a gun.
Expand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
Did the security guard swing a weapon at anyone? If I swing at someone with my fists, does that mean I deserve to get my head caved in with a skateboard?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
Did the security guard swing a weapon at anyone? If I swing at someone with my fists, does that mean I deserve to get my head caved in with a skateboard?[close]
He was not struck in the head. He lost his balance after being struck in the head and fell on his back and hit his head on the ground. They had to remove a portion of his skull because his brain had swollen. The skaters involved should have called 911. That would have been the human thing to do.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
You are so fucking fried.
Expand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
Did the security guard swing a weapon at anyone? If I swing at someone with my fists, does that mean I deserve to get my head caved in with a skateboard?[close]
He was not struck in the head. He lost his balance after being struck in the head and fell on his back and hit his head on the ground. They had to remove a portion of his skull because his brain had swollen. The skaters involved should have called 911. That would have been the human thing to do.[close]
Come again?
A bad graphic is a bad graphic. 12 year olds are going to love it.
I don’t see how you could argue that these are related. Because a group of other skateboarders did something terrible 5/6 years ago, you’re trying to link the two? It would be one thing if this came out immediately following the incident. This is dumb.
Has there been any updates on how Dan Jansen is doing?
Expand QuoteA bad graphic is a bad graphic. 12 year olds are going to love it.
I don’t see how you could argue that these are related. Because a group of other skateboarders did something terrible 5/6 years ago, you’re trying to link the two? It would be one thing if this came out immediately following the incident. This is dumb.[close]
I think it’s the dented head that made me think of this immediately.
And the San Fran connection between the incident and delfino.
At the end of the day it’s just some cartoon drawn by some neckface-esqe dork that’s capitolizing on skateboarding and Halloween. Reynolds loves to capatolize on this shit too, the whole image, but he’s not boozing or smashing anyones head with a skateboard.
Make a deathwish board with the food pyramid, but all the food groups are fruit or something, that would be edgy (no dietitians think that’s a reasonable diet) but still a decent message.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
Maybe I’m just old, but if security is being all aggro and shit just fuckin come back later & tell him to go fuck himself as you pack your shit up and leave. You can’t expect regular people to be cool about street skating especially at some high profile spot. Kinda dumb to argue “they both fucked up” when one party is doing something illegal and the other, regardless of how rude or unprofessional they’re being, is literally following protocol.
There’s no universe where a board to the dome is called for when it’s one out of shape middle aged guy against a group of guys in their 20’s unless he pulled out a knife or a gun.[close]
I completely agree with you, but the security guard deciding to get physical falls outside of what most people would consider “protocol.” The GX dudes should have left and the security guard, being older and wiser, could have called the police and left it alone which I would assume is exactly what their protocol is.
He had part of his frontal lobe removed and can't recognize family members. It sounds similar to a lobotomy from everything I've read.Expand QuoteHas there been any updates on how Dan Jansen is doing?[close]
This is the most recent article I can find, I doubt he’s ever gonna be the same. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/2021-04-dan-jansen-jesse-vieira-555-california-16133140.php
Expand QuoteA bad graphic is a bad graphic. 12 year olds are going to love it.
I don’t see how you could argue that these are related. Because a group of other skateboarders did something terrible 5/6 years ago, you’re trying to link the two? It would be one thing if this came out immediately following the incident. This is dumb.[close]
I think it’s the dented head that made me think of this immediately.
And the San Fran connection between the incident and delfino.
At the end of the day it’s just some cartoon drawn by some neckface-esqe dork that’s capitolizing on skateboarding and Halloween. Reynolds loves to capatolize on this shit too, the whole image, but he’s not boozing or smashing anyones head with a skateboard.
Make a deathwish board with the food pyramid, but all the food groups are fruit or something, that would be edgy (no dietitians think that’s a reasonable diet) but still a decent message.
He had part of his frontal lobe removed and can't recognize family members. It sounds similar to a lobotomy from everything I've read.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any updates on how Dan Jansen is doing?[close]
This is the most recent article I can find, I doubt he’s ever gonna be the same. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/2021-04-dan-jansen-jesse-vieira-555-california-16133140.php[close]
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Expand QuoteHe had part of his frontal lobe removed and can't recognize family members. It sounds similar to a lobotomy from everything I've read.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any updates on how Dan Jansen is doing?[close]
This is the most recent article I can find, I doubt he’s ever gonna be the same. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/2021-04-dan-jansen-jesse-vieira-555-california-16133140.php[close]
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Holy shit dude. How do the GX guys live with themselves
Expand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.
The graphic is even more surprising considering Ellington's ordeal with facing a 10-30 year imprisonment after drunkenly smashing a bottle over someone's head in a bar fight. That episode is what encouraged Erik to get sober.Yeah, plus EE had that Baker graphic I'm sure he'd like to erase. When they re-uploaded Baker 3, they edited out the guy getting smashed in the head with a bottle after Ellington's part.
You think skateboarding would be a bit more sensitive to the real world consequences of blunt force attacks to the head.
I've watched the video a bunch of times and I still can't make out what happened. This whole thing could have been avoided/de-escalated, but I think the majority of the head trauma came from him hitting his head on the concrete after the second fall rather than getting his head hit before the fall.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
what a terrible take, doesnt give someone the ok to bash someones head open
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
You are so fucking fried.[close]
Deep fried
I've watched the video a bunch of times and I still can't make out what happened. This whole thing could have been avoided/de-escalated, but I think the majority of the head trauma came from him hitting his head on the concrete after the second fall rather than getting his head hit before the fall.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
what a terrible take, doesnt give someone the ok to bash someones head open[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/oYu1woT.mp4)
Shit. Now that I can slow it down easier, it does look like he took a board to the head at 0:17 and maybe gets punched again afterwards. He hit his head a bit during the first fall, but that thud from the second fall was brutal. He’s got the fencing arms right away.Expand QuoteI've watched the video a bunch of times and I still can't make out what happened. This whole thing could have been avoided/de-escalated, but I think the majority of the head trauma came from him hitting his head on the concrete after the second fall rather than getting his head hit before the fall.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.[close]
what a terrible take, doesnt give someone the ok to bash someones head open[close][close]
He got pushed/slammed to the ground. The guy who picks up his board next to him as he’s lying on the ground is who lunged at him. You can hear his head slam on the ground in the vid. Watch with sound here https://imgur.com/oYu1woT
And again, they left him there. He was obviously out cold, and obviously severely injured based on the sound his head made and his body language.
Nobody, not a single one of them checked on him, checked to see if he was breathing, alerted his co-workers, called 911, or stayed with him until an ambulance arrived… you know all things we hope a fellow person would do regardless of the situation.
Anyways, this is old news and it’s been hashed out before. It’s just bad taste to see the deathwish graphic and also to see that Thrasher and seemingly everybody else continues to support GX1000. Doesn’t sit right with me is all.
Chico was there
Dude was trying to do his fuckin' job. Hope these cunts rot.Expand QuoteI still feel like those GX-1000 dudes got out of this without any consequences and it seems based on their public appearances - little, to no remorse. I mean Jesse got banished to Pizza, but had no real world consequences. Neither did Brian or Ryan Garshell. That's a shame because this poor guy wakes up everyday with a crater in his head. All because they wanted to film their dumb fucking trick for their dumb fucking video. Scumbags, All of em'. I don't care what you say, those dudes are fucking scumbags.[close]
I won’t argue that those GX1000 dudes are model citizens or anything of the sort and they definitely fucked up in that situation, but don’t forget that security guard could have walked away and not engaged. I’m getting really fucking annoyed that people are glossing over that fact. Both parties fucked up, end of story.
That shit was super lame on everyone's behalf (except the victim, obviously). I think the board is wack too.Yeah that was subpoenaed evidence and wasn't released until after the case ended in a mistrial. NY Times posted the footage with a wrap up article and that is the only time it has ever been officially posted.
Not gonna look thru 70 pages, but what is the story with this angle? They filmed themselves braining some guy then what? Released it as part of their defense? Or it got subpoenaed?
Personally, if I was one of these scumbags, my first instict would have been to delete the footage, but that's interesting if they were able to use it beat a serious case.
Expand QuoteHas there been any updates on how Dan Jansen is doing?[close]
This is the most recent article I can find, I doubt he’s ever gonna be the same. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/2021-04-dan-jansen-jesse-vieira-555-california-16133140.php
Jury was 50-50. Prosecutors would have to refile charges within a certain period, which varies by state. That period has probably passed.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any updates on how Dan Jansen is doing?[close]
This is the most recent article I can find, I doubt he’s ever gonna be the same. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/2021-04-dan-jansen-jesse-vieira-555-california-16133140.php[close]
How was that a mistrial?
imagine knocking the brain out of a security guard then going on an ayahuasca trip, the entities are not going to be chill about that one
imagine knocking the brain out of a security guard then going on an ayahuasca trip, the entities are not going to be chill about that one
Yeah these guys can all burn in karmatic justice when their time comes
Whats the deal with San Francisco? Is it really as fucked as the media makes it out to be? I can't help but think they were emboldened to do what they did because of the either real or perceived chaos of SF.
One of the biggest shit head sociopaths I knew growing up moved out there from NYC with his gf recently, but last I heard they moved to Los Angels because it was too "hectic"
Yeah these guys can all burn in karmatic justice when their time comes
Whats the deal with San Francisco? Is it really as fucked as the media makes it out to be? I can't help but think they were emboldened to do what they did because of the either real or perceived chaos of SF.
One of the biggest shit head sociopaths I knew growing up moved out there from NYC with his gf recently, but last I heard they moved to Los Angels because it was too "hectic"
so sick of people who don't live in the bay speaking on SF's gentrification and homelessness issues
Expand Quoteso sick of people who don't live in the bay speaking on SF's gentrification and homelessness issues[close]
You don’t have to live there to see it for what it is, my dude. I live an hour and a half away and have been making trips and staying out there since the late 90’s. Also no idea how anyone not making an absurd amount of money or sharing a small apartment with 8 other people can even live in the city anyway.
The first time I ever saw a lady squat in the middle of the street and take a piss then wipe herself with a paper bag was in SF circa 2000. Granted, I don't have kids, but I really see no problem with it (pretty harmless and gives the city character, imo, plus I've pissed in my fair share of streets so who am I to judge).
👆Expand Quoteso sick of people who don't live in the bay speaking on SF's gentrification and homelessness issues[close]
You don’t have to live there to see it for what it is, my dude. I live an hour and a half away and have been making trips and staying out there since the late 90’s. Also no idea how anyone not making an absurd amount of money or sharing a small apartment with 8 other people can even live in the city anyway.
so sick of people who don't live in the bay speaking on SF's gentrification and homelessness issues
👆Expand QuoteExpand Quoteso sick of people who don't live in the bay speaking on SF's gentrification and homelessness issues[close]
You don’t have to live there to see it for what it is, my dude. I live an hour and a half away and have been making trips and staying out there since the late 90’s. Also no idea how anyone not making an absurd amount of money or sharing a small apartment with 8 other people can even live in the city anyway.[close]
I live in SF.
I was born here.
The city has its share of problems, to be sure & two of the biggest issues right now, homelessness & an abundance of high-grade drugs, drug usage, and the attendant issues that go along with that just happen to overlap each other in a way that yields a very visible social mess.
The real estate market & rents are still nutty too, only compounding the problem further.
But I’m basically a glorified bartender, married to an artist, with two littles & a cat, yet we manage to make mortgage payments & feed/clothe these kids, while enjoying what I consider a pretty reasonable quality of life compared to when I was younger.
The city puts on tons of rad family friendly public events all over town, helps us out with the kids medical bills & mandates that my employers don’t dick me & my crew around.
Plus, we got multiple skateparks & those hills, need I go on? Not to mention the gorgeous scenery, beautiful cultures & people, delicious (if not pricy) dining options, as well as all of the other accoutrement that comes along with being an international city.
My family & I feel safe in our neighborhood; all the folks in our neighborhood know us & call my kids by name.
I’m not in a fancy part of town either.
I’m just a few doors of Mission, in the hair cutting district of “Papusa Row.” We’ve got projects, a public school & a park all on our block & it’s kind of a little slice of heaven.
Yes there are more homeless here now than in the past, and yes the drugs are way stronger then they have been historically, but I’ve been here in the bay most all of my 52 years & honestly I don’t recall a time WITHOUT visible drugs & homelessness. Not to mention, homeless & drug usage figures are on the rise in cities all over the country. People just flock to California for our warmer weather & friendlier (liberal) social policies.
I dunno… Maybe I’m numb to it, but frankly I embrace the filth & the “crazies” as part of our city.
Tech bros, on the other hand, and their disregard/disdain for local history & tradition can basically fuck right off as far as I’m concerned.
Entitled cunts.
Sooo… that’s my take on the liberal hellscape that is San Francisco.
I live in SF.
I was born here.
The city has its share of problems, to be sure & two of the biggest issues right now, homelessness & an abundance of high-grade drugs, drug usage, and the attendant issues that go along with that just happen to overlap each other in a way that yields a very visible social mess.
The real estate market & rents are still nutty too, only compounding the problem further.
But I’m basically a glorified bartender, married to an artist, with two littles & a cat, yet we manage to make mortgage payments & feed/clothe these kids, while enjoying what I consider a pretty reasonable quality of life compared to when I was younger.
The city puts on tons of rad family friendly public events all over town, helps us out with the kids medical bills & mandates that my employers don’t dick me & my crew around.
Plus, we got multiple skateparks & those hills, need I go on? Not to mention the gorgeous scenery, beautiful cultures & people, delicious (if not pricy) dining options, as well as all of the other accoutrement that comes along with being an international city.
My family & I feel safe in our neighborhood; all the folks in our neighborhood know us & call my kids by name.
I’m not in a fancy part of town either.
I’m just a few doors of Mission, in the hair cutting district of “Papusa Row.” We’ve got projects, a public school & a park all on our block & it’s kind of a little slice of heaven.
Yes there are more homeless here now than in the past, and yes the drugs are way stronger then they have been historically, but I’ve been here in the bay most all of my 52 years & honestly I don’t recall a time WITHOUT visible drugs & homelessness. Not to mention, homeless & drug usage figures are on the rise in cities all over the country. People just flock to California for our warmer weather & friendlier (liberal) social policies.
I dunno… Maybe I’m numb to it, but frankly I embrace the filth & the “crazies” as part of our city.
Tech bros, on the other hand, and their disregard/disdain for local history & tradition can basically fuck right off as far as I’m concerned.
Entitled cunts.
Sooo… that’s my take on the liberal hellscape that is San Francisco.
Worth mentioning because I think it's oft forgotten about these days, but P-Spliff is still alive right now (or at the very least doesn't die when he did) if this incident never happens.
How high can u guys ollie
i visited SF after a few years away this summer and i was all prepared to believe the propaganda about how lawless it is but honestly it was fine.Expand QuoteYeah these guys can all burn in karmatic justice when their time comes
Whats the deal with San Francisco? Is it really as fucked as the media makes it out to be? I can't help but think they were emboldened to do what they did because of the either real or perceived chaos of SF.
One of the biggest shit head sociopaths I knew growing up moved out there from NYC with his gf recently, but last I heard they moved to Los Angels because it was too "hectic"[close]
I don’t live there but have visited and stayed there often enough throughout the years. It used to be a really chill city in most areas, lots of little pockets of culture and things to explore. Lately it’s become sort of a dystopian nightmare where half of the population is tech bro/hedge fund sociopaths and the other half is literally down to do anything to survive. It’s not the same city it was a decade ago. It’s still beautiful and there’s still culture but it’s being strangled out every year as cost of living rises and people are being forced onto the street or to move elsewhere. Much of the soul of the city has been driven out leaving transplants that either arrived in a Tesla or a greyhound. I was standing a few streets away from market when I went to visit the UN plaza a few months ago and it was some zombie movie shit. Literally crowds of people laying on the filthy ground and walking around screaming/talking to nobody. It’s fuckin sad and I hope something saves it. Legit felt like Gotham from the dark knight and that was just during the afternoon.
SF is a turd of a city held together by duct tape.
I live in SF.Lou out here really spitting facts for the people. If anyone on here knows San Francisco and the Bay Area, it's him.
I was born here.
The city has its share of problems, to be sure & two of the biggest issues right now, homelessness & an abundance of high-grade drugs, drug usage, and the attendant issues that go along with that just happen to overlap each other in a way that yields a very visible social mess.
The real estate market & rents are still nutty too, only compounding the problem further.
But I’m basically a glorified bartender, married to an artist, with two littles & a cat, yet we manage to make mortgage payments & feed/clothe these kids, while enjoying what I consider a pretty reasonable quality of life compared to when I was younger.
The city puts on tons of rad family friendly public events all over town, helps us out with the kids medical bills & mandates that my employers don’t dick me & my crew around.
Plus, we got multiple skateparks & those hills, need I go on? Not to mention the gorgeous scenery, beautiful cultures & people, delicious (if not pricy) dining options, as well as all of the other accoutrement that comes along with being an international city.
My family & I feel safe in our neighborhood; all the folks in our neighborhood know us & call my kids by name.
I’m not in a fancy part of town either.
I’m just a few doors of Mission, in the hair cutting district of “Papusa Row.” We’ve got projects, a public school & a park all on our block & it’s kind of a little slice of heaven.
Yes there are more homeless here now than in the past, and yes the drugs are way stronger then they have been historically, but I’ve been here in the bay most all of my 52 years & honestly I don’t recall a time WITHOUT visible drugs & homelessness. Not to mention, homeless & drug usage figures are on the rise in cities all over the country. People just flock to California for our warmer weather & friendlier (liberal) social policies.
I dunno… Maybe I’m numb to it, but frankly I embrace the filth & the “crazies” as part of our city.
Tech bros, on the other hand, and their disregard/disdain for local history & tradition can basically fuck right off as far as I’m concerned.
Entitled cunts.
Sooo… that’s my take on the liberal hellscape that is San Francisco.
I apologize if I came off as arrogant or appearing to know more than I do. I have great memories of going there in my teens and 20’s but in hindsight a lot of those memories were from visits and stays outside of the main downtown areas so maybe my memories are skewed with the current reality of the places I’ve been recently which are admittedly the skate tourism hotspots. I do share your sentiment about the tech bros fucking the whole ecosystem, but if anything the problems facing SF are merely a symptom of a greater sickness that’s spread across the entire country. Your point about homeless migration is very true as well. Again, sorry if I was being arrogant or overly critical.Nah, we good daddy.
Jesse Vieira rode krux. The whole situation is disgusting.Well… I was gonna make a joke about how that explains the hole in Dan Jansen’s head, but even these many years since, it still seems in poor taste.
Expand QuoteI live in SF.
I was born here.
The city has its share of problems, to be sure & two of the biggest issues right now, homelessness & an abundance of high-grade drugs, drug usage, and the attendant issues that go along with that just happen to overlap each other in a way that yields a very visible social mess.
The real estate market & rents are still nutty too, only compounding the problem further.
But I’m basically a glorified bartender, married to an artist, with two littles & a cat, yet we manage to make mortgage payments & feed/clothe these kids, while enjoying what I consider a pretty reasonable quality of life compared to when I was younger.
The city puts on tons of rad family friendly public events all over town, helps us out with the kids medical bills & mandates that my employers don’t dick me & my crew around.
Plus, we got multiple skateparks & those hills, need I go on? Not to mention the gorgeous scenery, beautiful cultures & people, delicious (if not pricy) dining options, as well as all of the other accoutrement that comes along with being an international city.
My family & I feel safe in our neighborhood; all the folks in our neighborhood know us & call my kids by name.
I’m not in a fancy part of town either.
I’m just a few doors of Mission, in the hair cutting district of “Papusa Row.” We’ve got projects, a public school & a park all on our block & it’s kind of a little slice of heaven.
Yes there are more homeless here now than in the past, and yes the drugs are way stronger then they have been historically, but I’ve been here in the bay most all of my 52 years & honestly I don’t recall a time WITHOUT visible drugs & homelessness. Not to mention, homeless & drug usage figures are on the rise in cities all over the country. People just flock to California for our warmer weather & friendlier (liberal) social policies.
I dunno… Maybe I’m numb to it, but frankly I embrace the filth & the “crazies” as part of our city.
Tech bros, on the other hand, and their disregard/disdain for local history & tradition can basically fuck right off as far as I’m concerned.
Entitled cunts.
Sooo… that’s my take on the liberal hellscape that is San Francisco.[close]
Thank you. As a longtime resident of SF and familiar with its history, you are spot on. The city is looked at under a microscope by people from the outside who tend to forget that historically, SF is a boom and bust city. Part of the biggest problems of the city today are directly related to its greatest accomplishments of the last 20 years. I could go on and on, but will spare yall the history and pos/neg points. And if you really wanna see a city in a bad way right now, cross the bridge and go to Oakland. It’s crazy.
I’m sorry about that foot ball game.I was down on Mission anyway, waving a niners flag & shouting to passing cars, “WE’re 2nd BEST! WE’re 2nd BEST! WE’re 2nd BEST!“
ITT:
GX1000 and tech bros killed SF
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On a more sincere note, my small-ish city in the PNW has many of these same issues in the downtown/inner city. A lot of these problems aren't entirely unique to SF.
I find people sleeping/nodding, foilies, and burnt spoons in the skatepark bathroom downtown all the time - the skatepark is part of the most notable public park in the center of the city. Theres a large, popular playground a stones throw from the bathroom, so you know numerous kids have seen some shit there.
Makes me think of the conversations I'll need to have with my son when he's of the age to notice or understand.
Is there any large/semi-large city that is completely void of any homeless and doesn't have big tech trying to creep in?
Btw, touching write-up Lou, gave me some feels when I read through that last night
Gx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.
How high can u guys ollie
Can u spot the difference ?Expand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
Lennie Kirk, is that you?
the bay rules, if you really believe that the city is a warzone because of the media coverage of 10 square blocks of the tenderloin/civic center then you have no idea what youre talking about. That'd be like thinking LA is just skid row.This dude also know the Bay Area. Oakland is a great place that's cheaper to live in than SF and has so much culture to offer. It also gets a bad rap in the mainstream media these days, but spend a few days in Oakland and you'll see there's so much more than just blipping and gang wars.
Though at this point Oakland is way more interesting and fun than SF, a decade ago most of the young people, middle class people, artists, musicians and food folks got priced out of SF and moved to east bay. The upside to that is now we're all over here and there is an absurd plethora of good shows, good food and good art. chefs kiss <3
The great thing about the current narrative about SF and Oakland is that a lot of transplants and techies are moving out
Expand QuoteSF is a turd of a city held together by duct tape.[close]
Every big city is the same. They are all turds
This dude also know the Bay Area. Oakland is a great place that's cheaper to live in than SF and has so much culture to offer. It also gets a bad rap in the mainstream media these days, but spend a few days in Oakland and you'll see there's so much more than just blipping and gang wars.Expand Quotethe bay rules, if you really believe that the city is a warzone because of the media coverage of 10 square blocks of the tenderloin/civic center then you have no idea what youre talking about. That'd be like thinking LA is just skid row.
Though at this point Oakland is way more interesting and fun than SF, a decade ago most of the young people, middle class people, artists, musicians and food folks got priced out of SF and moved to east bay. The upside to that is now we're all over here and there is an absurd plethora of good shows, good food and good art. chefs kiss <3[close]
The great thing about the current narrative about SF and Oakland is that a lot of transplants and techies are moving out, making rent prices go down again. Some of my friends who have also grown up in the area have been able to find apartments for way cheaper than they would've been even half a year ago.
Gx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.
get off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
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Are transplants that move to SF as polarizing as those who move to NYC?Worse
Why does every GX1000 SF skater dress the same. Hoodie, beanie, dunks, ventures. Mason Coletti, Taylor Nida, Chris Athens looks like Brian Delatorre. It’s like how Long Beach every skater wore dekline shoes and cuffed jeans for a long time.
Reading comprehension is important my guy, never said it was anyone's faultExpand QuoteWorth mentioning because I think it's oft forgotten about these days, but P-Spliff is still alive right now (or at the very least doesn't die when he did) if this incident never happens.[close]
Dude was destined to get killed by a motor vehicle, his passion in life was playing in traffic... If the Black Rock shit never went down I don't think he would have made it two more years before getting ran over. He was one of the most perfect embodiments of "live fast die young", and trying to act like his death is someone else's fault is just silly.
It's definitely more affordable overall than SF and a lot of the other "desirable" areas of California. But Oakland is also a pretty big place with many different neighborhoods and a lot of disparity between them. Just like how jgonzalez explained how the Bay Area is segregated, Oakland is segregated in a similar way based on the neighborhood.Expand QuoteThis dude also know the Bay Area. Oakland is a great place that's cheaper to live in than SF and has so much culture to offer. It also gets a bad rap in the mainstream media these days, but spend a few days in Oakland and you'll see there's so much more than just blipping and gang wars.Expand Quotethe bay rules, if you really believe that the city is a warzone because of the media coverage of 10 square blocks of the tenderloin/civic center then you have no idea what youre talking about. That'd be like thinking LA is just skid row.
Though at this point Oakland is way more interesting and fun than SF, a decade ago most of the young people, middle class people, artists, musicians and food folks got priced out of SF and moved to east bay. The upside to that is now we're all over here and there is an absurd plethora of good shows, good food and good art. chefs kiss <3[close]
The great thing about the current narrative about SF and Oakland is that a lot of transplants and techies are moving out, making rent prices go down again. Some of my friends who have also grown up in the area have been able to find apartments for way cheaper than they would've been even half a year ago.[close]
I struggle to understand affordable in oakland. But, i dont live there. Im just thinking about the 3 separate unrelated people i know whose parents sold their old ass houses in oakland for a million or so each. Or the lady i used to date who moved down to oakland to do high end sex work in SF, they make bank and still live in a meh place. Not arguing about the culture. Oakland is dope like that, but is really affordable or just more so than the other side od the bridge?
It's definitely more affordable overall than SF and a lot of the other "desirable" areas of California. But Oakland is also a pretty big place with many different neighborhoods and a lot of disparity between them. Just like how jgonzalez explained how the Bay Area is segregated, Oakland is segregated in a similar way based on the neighborhood.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis dude also know the Bay Area. Oakland is a great place that's cheaper to live in than SF and has so much culture to offer. It also gets a bad rap in the mainstream media these days, but spend a few days in Oakland and you'll see there's so much more than just blipping and gang wars.Expand Quotethe bay rules, if you really believe that the city is a warzone because of the media coverage of 10 square blocks of the tenderloin/civic center then you have no idea what youre talking about. That'd be like thinking LA is just skid row.
Though at this point Oakland is way more interesting and fun than SF, a decade ago most of the young people, middle class people, artists, musicians and food folks got priced out of SF and moved to east bay. The upside to that is now we're all over here and there is an absurd plethora of good shows, good food and good art. chefs kiss <3[close]
The great thing about the current narrative about SF and Oakland is that a lot of transplants and techies are moving out, making rent prices go down again. Some of my friends who have also grown up in the area have been able to find apartments for way cheaper than they would've been even half a year ago.[close]
I struggle to understand affordable in oakland. But, i dont live there. Im just thinking about the 3 separate unrelated people i know whose parents sold their old ass houses in oakland for a million or so each. Or the lady i used to date who moved down to oakland to do high end sex work in SF, they make bank and still live in a meh place. Not arguing about the culture. Oakland is dope like that, but is really affordable or just more so than the other side od the bridge?[close]
Expand QuoteIt's definitely more affordable overall than SF and a lot of the other "desirable" areas of California. But Oakland is also a pretty big place with many different neighborhoods and a lot of disparity between them. Just like how jgonzalez explained how the Bay Area is segregated, Oakland is segregated in a similar way based on the neighborhood.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThis dude also know the Bay Area. Oakland is a great place that's cheaper to live in than SF and has so much culture to offer. It also gets a bad rap in the mainstream media these days, but spend a few days in Oakland and you'll see there's so much more than just blipping and gang wars.Expand Quotethe bay rules, if you really believe that the city is a warzone because of the media coverage of 10 square blocks of the tenderloin/civic center then you have no idea what youre talking about. That'd be like thinking LA is just skid row.
Though at this point Oakland is way more interesting and fun than SF, a decade ago most of the young people, middle class people, artists, musicians and food folks got priced out of SF and moved to east bay. The upside to that is now we're all over here and there is an absurd plethora of good shows, good food and good art. chefs kiss <3[close]
The great thing about the current narrative about SF and Oakland is that a lot of transplants and techies are moving out, making rent prices go down again. Some of my friends who have also grown up in the area have been able to find apartments for way cheaper than they would've been even half a year ago.[close]
I struggle to understand affordable in oakland. But, i dont live there. Im just thinking about the 3 separate unrelated people i know whose parents sold their old ass houses in oakland for a million or so each. Or the lady i used to date who moved down to oakland to do high end sex work in SF, they make bank and still live in a meh place. Not arguing about the culture. Oakland is dope like that, but is really affordable or just more so than the other side od the bridge?[close][close]
i gotchu dude. oakland is definitely a different place than it was when i was dirty kid with a backpack off the dog looking for hellarity
get off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
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Expand Quoteget off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
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My name is spelled correctly literally right there. Your shtick's BEEN decrepit. Go bother reddit or maybe the facebook comments of some zoomer rap shitposting page where you belong
Expand Quoteget off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
Grrrrreat another blabbering nonsense poster[close][close]
My name is spelled correctly literally right there. Your shtick's BEEN decrepit. Go bother reddit or maybe the facebook comments of some zoomer rap shitposting page where you belong
has anyone ever told you that u is insufferable? Hit that ignore button grannyExpand Quoteget off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
Grrrrreat another blabbering nonsense poster[close][close]
My name is spelled correctly literally right there. Your shtick's BEEN decrepit. Go bother reddit or maybe the facebook comments of some zoomer rap shitposting page where you belong
Please Ninj don’t hurt ‘em.has anyone ever told you that u is insufferable? Hit that ignore button grannyExpand QuoteExpand Quoteget off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
Grrrrreat another blabbering nonsense poster[close][close]
My name is spelled correctly literally right there. Your shtick's BEEN decrepit. Go bother reddit or maybe the facebook comments of some zoomer rap shitposting page where you belong[close]
ninJ is jinn re-incarnate
not sure if that's good or bad but i'm here for the ride
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteget off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
Grrrrreat another blabbering nonsense poster[close][close]
My name is spelled correctly literally right there. Your shtick's BEEN decrepit. Go bother reddit or maybe the facebook comments of some zoomer rap shitposting page where you belong[close]
Gotta love SLAP-users' seething hate for any hip hop made after 2010. It's like a new generation of those kinda people that proclaim that Led Zeppelin were the last talented artists before 'real music' died.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteget off my dik Yonnie and put me on ignore nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGx from Florida. Don’t tells shit about SF. Is SUCKAFREE . It’s where the Bible is at. It’s the Mecca you dumb pilgrims. For real tho. I’m sorry about that foot ball game. You haters need to wear some flowers in your hair or some other corny ass shit like that. Fuck the chiefs. That shit look racist. And fuck Kansas City I’m still pissed about what they did to Mac Dre . I don’t give a fuck about foot ball.[close]
Grrrrreat another blabbering nonsense poster[close][close]
My name is spelled correctly literally right there. Your shtick's BEEN decrepit. Go bother reddit or maybe the facebook comments of some zoomer rap shitposting page where you belong[close]
Gotta love SLAP-users' seething hate for any hip hop made after 2010. It's like a new generation of those kinda people that proclaim that Led Zeppelin were the last talented artists before 'real music' died.
Xoflipxo or something?Correct you are! That was our boy, Ruben Chicas.
I went to a hardcore show that was unbeknownst to me held at the create skateshop lol I thought of xoxoflip and what a dumbass him and everyone involved was haha people ended up breaking their display case for trucks and wheels and the shelving for tees broke too haha fuck their manatee bullshitCorrect you are! That was our boy, Ruben Chicas.Expand QuoteXoflipxo or something?[close]
He had come to the defense of that Create kid, Jordin, and only made the situation waaay worse by attracting the ire of one Mr. Edmund Lawndale, who promptly took him and the fledgling skate/lifestyle company to task & that was the last anybody seems to have seen of the dood, OR the brand*.
None of his experience as a bus boy at the Cabana Club had prepared the young Chicas for the sternly worded dressing down he received from Ed on these here message bloards.
What a time to have been alive on SLAP, indeed!
*Disclosure: this assertion is NOT (in fact) factual. User xoflipxo returned to post a couple/few times later on AND to the best of my knowledge, Create still operates a brand forward skate retail space on 6th Street in SF. I still maintain that NOBODY sees them or their product "in the wild" around here, regardless.
Hilarious.I went to a hardcore show that was unbeknownst to me held at the create skateshop lol I thought of xoxoflip and what a dumbass him and everyone involved was haha people ended up breaking their display case for trucks and wheels and the shelving for tees broke too haha fuck their manatee bullshitExpand QuoteCorrect you are! That was our boy, Ruben Chicas.Expand QuoteXoflipxo or something?[close]
He had come to the defense of that Create kid, Jordin, and only made the situation waaay worse by attracting the ire of one Mr. Edmund Lawndale, who promptly took him and the fledgling skate/lifestyle company to task & that was the last anybody seems to have seen of the dood, OR the brand*.
None of his experience as a bus boy at the Cabana Club had prepared the young Chicas for the sternly worded dressing down he received from Ed on these here message bloards.
What a time to have been alive on SLAP, indeed!
*Disclosure: this assertion is NOT (in fact) factual. User xoflipxo returned to post a couple/few times later on AND to the best of my knowledge, Create still operates a brand forward skate retail space on 6th Street in SF. I still maintain that NOBODY sees them or their product "in the wild" around here, regardless.[close]
Correct you are! That was our boy, Ruben Chicas.Expand QuoteXoflipxo or something?[close]
He had come to the defense of that Create kid, Jordin, and only made the situation waaay worse by attracting the ire of one Mr. Edmund Lawndale, who promptly took him and the fledgling skate/lifestyle company to task & that was the last anybody seems to have seen of the dood, OR the brand*.
None of his experience as a bus boy at the Cabana Club had prepared the young Chicas for the sternly worded dressing down he received from Ed on these here message bloards.
What a time to have been alive on SLAP, indeed!
*Disclosure: this assertion is NOT (in fact) factual. User xoflipxo returned to post a couple/few times later on AND to the best of my knowledge, Create still operates a brand forward skate retail space on 6th Street in SF. I still maintain that NOBODY sees them or their product "in the wild" around here, regardless.
Correct you are! That was our boy, Ruben Chicas.Expand QuoteXoflipxo or something?[close]
He had come to the defense of that Create kid, Jordin, and only made the situation waaay worse by attracting the ire of one Mr. Edmund Lawndale, who promptly took him and the fledgling skate/lifestyle company to task & that was the last anybody seems to have seen of the dood, OR the brand*.
None of his experience as a bus boy at the Cabana Club had prepared the young Chicas for the sternly worded dressing down he received from Ed on these here message bloards.
What a time to have been alive on SLAP, indeed!
*Disclosure: this assertion is NOT (in fact) factual. User xoflipxo returned to post a couple/few times later on AND to the best of my knowledge, Create still operates a brand forward skate retail space on 6th Street in SF. I still maintain that NOBODY sees them or their product "in the wild" around here, regardless.
My origin story dates back to @GK Satoshi & the Gring King Disruptor thread: my first post was a series of Haikus trash talking their new trucks.Expand QuoteCorrect you are! That was our boy, Ruben Chicas.Expand QuoteXoflipxo or something?[close]
He had come to the defense of that Create kid, Jordin, and only made the situation waaay worse by attracting the ire of one Mr. Edmund Lawndale, who promptly took him and the fledgling skate/lifestyle company to task & that was the last anybody seems to have seen of the dood, OR the brand*.
None of his experience as a bus boy at the Cabana Club had prepared the young Chicas for the sternly worded dressing down he received from Ed on these here message bloards.
What a time to have been alive on SLAP, indeed!
*Disclosure: this assertion is NOT (in fact) factual. User xoflipxo returned to post a couple/few times later on AND to the best of my knowledge, Create still operates a brand forward skate retail space on 6th Street in SF. I still maintain that NOBODY sees them or their product "in the wild" around here, regardless.[close]
Wasn’t this exchange part of your origin story? I wish I had an origin story. My first post was probably, ‘hey guys, long time lurker first time poster’.