holy crap, lots to catch up on!
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So what is wooly mammoth? and a hazard plant?
woolly mammoth is a fakie eggplant where you land with the nose of your board on the deck, like a noseblunt on nothing, and then pull back in. the hazard plant... can't summon that one. invert and air variations is where the names really get sticky...
okok, but what is an eggplant? the whole handplant/invert terminology confuses the hell out of me. any bit of footage or a sequence would make this easier. this whole forgotten terminology analysis would make a great article
also what's a dumptruck? is it when you air out and plant both feet while stradling your board and hop in fakie?
phillips 66? is that when you roll up fakie and grab the coping with what would be your back hand while grabbing the board with what would be your front hand, and doing a fakie frontside cab back to regular?
eggplant: think of an indy air invert-- grabbing your toe rail with your back hand, planting with your front, whole thing moves backside. gonz is my favorite eggplanter.
dumptruck: you got it. drehobl crushes them.
phillips66: come up fakie, grab mute (actually "slob" because you're going f/s), spin a f/s cab while planting your back hand. incredibly awkward. pretty much only done well by jeff phillips, who did the best vert bonelesses ever.
ok, what do you call that weird nose manual louie did in bag of suck ?
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and that slide thing at 3:57
viva hate got both right. louie's tricks are probably the hardest to label, which rules. love louie.
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my thoughts on the nosegrind/overcrook debate:
if done on a ledge/ hubba, it is a nose grind. there is no over crook.
if done on a rail. it is an overcrook. there are no nose grinds on rails.
bull fucking shit! I seen Colt Cannon do some really nice balanced frontside nosegrinds down rails.
We used to just call "overcrooks" style ones "snowplow" nosegrinds.
I always thought a Senn Penn was a backside maddona, kicking your foot off in a way comparable to a b/s boneless instead of a frontside one.
I always liked it when people called front foot impossibles "chainsaw flips."
I'm totally guilty of saying "nollie cab." I know its wrong, and don't care. When I say it, people know what I mean.
Also, was "Gersh grind" ever used in a magazine? Always liked that name
full backage of gipper here. nosegrinds, both way, do exist on rails. i don't think people are really trying to call f/s overcrooks by that name though, most people would just say f/s nosegrind, but anybody tweaking out a b/s nosegrind would be quick to claim it as an overcrook. odd...
sean penn: gave this some thought: pretty sure it is the same motion as a madonna, just going backside. so kick your front foot off the heel side while doing a b/s nosegrab air to tail. oyolar, good calls on all that, i think that's all right. layzieyez, you sure? gonna have to do a little research...
nollie cab: yes, i am guilty there too. anybody remember the "gazelle" out of tricks?
gersh grind: definitely remember the term, don't know if i saw it in print though...
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is "kickflip wheelie" cooler than "kickflip manual"? that's up for debate.
Someone should make a fake Brazilian account called Kickflip Manuel.
I never got an answer as to who came up w. the name 'manual'....it's funny because for the most part, street skaters didn't name tricks...so maybe it came from ramp....my guess it was neil blender doing them like a roll out wheelie.
I think alleyoop only exists on ramp....kids have no idea what it is....over hips you usually just round up...and w. grinds you 180 in to fakie....
Isn't a hazard very different than a wooly mammoth? Isn't a hazard: lead hand grabs mute, back hand on ground, front foot on board, back foot on ground.
I believe the front over crook isn't a trick...the back overcrook is but your better off just going to noseblunt or keeping your nosegrind in order....
yeah, manual=blender i think.
alley-oop: yeah, ramp term. "the hard way" over rails thing that was discussed yesterday i guess you could call alley-oop, but despite it being a crappy term i'd probably use "the hard way" myself.
hazard vs woolly mammoth: totally different, pretty sure you nailed it.
as for the "half-nab" and all that, i'm gonna go with that term being the Neanderthal cousin of the homo sapien's switch 180, as in it must have died out when the superior genes of the "switch 180" flourished. no offense to the english mags from days of yore, i always liked RAD.
my favorite of the obscure vert tricks you don't see much:
seatbelt: f/s ollie tailgrab but grab with your front hand. hosoi.