The Indy Thread

[j....soy.....]

Wasn’t the idea I’d the stage 4 to pander to those truck buyers who incessantly want something they can’t have?  (Can’t think of where I might find these type of people) Like the Venture cast hollows?  They look good on a shaped/cruiser build and turn well from the few times I’ve tried them.

[logjammin]

My 215's have been surprising me for being such a wide truck, equipped with ace medium bushings they turn as if I'm on some Ace 44's or something. The geometry is definitely stage 4. And I think they released those 100% to respond to losing to Ace. They turn even better, actually. It was definitely a fuck you, and I think they even did some subtle jabs at ace in their IG story when it was nearing release. Could just be reading into it but truck wars are real.

[Mbrimson88]

Wasn’t the idea I’d the stage 4 to pander to those truck buyers who incessantly want something they can’t have?  (Can’t think of where I might find these type of people) Like the Venture cast hollows?  They look good on a shaped/cruiser build and turn well from the few times I’ve tried them.

My 215's have been surprising me for being such a wide truck, equipped with ace medium bushings they turn as if I'm on some Ace 44's or something. The geometry is definitely stage 4. And I think they released those 100% to respond to losing to Ace. They turn even better, actually. It was definitely a fuck you, and I think they even did some subtle jabs at ace in their IG story when it was nearing release. Could just be reading into it but truck wars are real.

Yes, mainly for the nostalgia as well as the "need more turn" people.

More than a few people were cutting down the 215 hangers and making them into other shorter sizes, so I think that combined with the anti Ace sentiment they showed tipped them over the edge, hence the other market with various Stage 4 reissues, complete with their own sizes too, as they didn't want to compete with their own current trucks but make something a little different, but still relative in size to current boards.

I guess when there are sour grapes among some industry heads, then there will be break away brands and versions of the original that get done up, but compared to something like the Indy Mid truck, the Stage 4 reissues seem to hit the mark for most people who have them, even if some people cut down the kingpins just to make them work more for what they want.

The taller bottom bushing is the main thing that makes them turn more, as it changes the geometry just enough - amazing what 1 extra mm in the bottom bushing can do with some trucks, when I have tried various things in the interest of experimentation and seeing what happens.  Lower bottom bushings return them to a more current Stage 11 feel, although not exactly the same.

[el chino]

Why the hell is indy lying? FIRST EVER INVERTED KINGPIN?  Theyve had thm before

[Rick Trapasso]

Why the hell is indy lying? FIRST EVER INVERTED KINGPIN?  Theyve had thm before

Yea, thats weird.

[Mbrimson88]

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Why the hell is indy lying? FIRST EVER INVERTED KINGPIN?  Theyve had thm before

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Yea, thats weird.

Conisder it more just a marketing blurb.


More to the point, I thought that they were dropping the Indy mid truck, but here they are bringing out more options, even if it is just a graphic on the same polished truck.

Always find it a little ironic and can't help but laugh reading comments on any Indy product post now - the usual requests, comments, etc with the logo.

[Frank and Fred]

Why the hell is indy lying? FIRST EVER INVERTED KINGPIN?  Theyve had thm before

"First Independent inverted Kingpin" is the quote. They aren't claiming first. Grind King was the first right?

[Xen]

Didn't someone say the mids were being discontinued? 

They keep dropping new ones...just pushing old stock with new collabs/pro models?

[Mbrimson88]

Didn't someone say the mids were being discontinued? 

They keep dropping new ones...just pushing old stock with new collabs/pro models?

More to the point, I thought that they were dropping the Indy mid truck, but here they are bringing out more options, even if it is just a graphic on the same polished truck.

So wouldn't it be funny if they are all just the normal excess mids that they took and put the graphic Independent word on just to spice them up a bit?!?

Most likely not, but it does seem a bit redundant any which way I look at it.

[Mean salto]

Did they do an Indy mid with a regular kingpin? If they put all that money into molds and people's main issue is the inverted kingpin might be worth putting some out with normal kingpins and see how it goes.

[Nth syd bear]

Did they do an Indy mid with a regular kingpin? If they put all that money into molds and people's main issue is the inverted kingpin might be worth putting some out with normal kingpins and see how it goes.

I would be down with some forged mids with a regular kingpin

Is that combo possible with mix matching or would it sit higher than a mid?

Forged baseplate from indy hollow etc + Mindy hanger?   

I have not done much frankentrucking ?? B4 so I dunno

[Rick Trapasso]

I only stepped on one board with Indy mids and it felt horrible. Idk the dimensions of that deck though, so it could've just been a bad pairing. I felt like they were too low for the shorter WB that indys give you.

I like the thunder height/snap, but without extending the WB like a thunder a lower Indy just felt like the tail hit way to early and easily without much return on my energy. Probably just a timing thing, but they felt so bad.

If they had regular kingpins and I thought I could finally achieve my ultimate Indy/thunder hybrid experience through them, I would give the mids a shot.

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Did they do an Indy mid with a regular kingpin? If they put all that money into molds and people's main issue is the inverted kingpin might be worth putting some out with normal kingpins and see how it goes.

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I would be down with some forged mids with a regular kingpin

Is that combo possible with mix matching or would it sit higher than a mid?

Forged baseplate from indy hollow etc + Mindy hanger?   

I have not done much frankentrucking ?? B4 so I dunno

I’ve tried to assemble this exact combo, it’s just about off as far as fit is concerned. when I put an Indy mid hanger into normal Indy forged plates, you can see the hanger digs into the pivot cup area of the baseplate. literally bought a set of Indy mids just to try that. 😂

[Nth syd bear]

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Did they do an Indy mid with a regular kingpin? If they put all that money into molds and people's main issue is the inverted kingpin might be worth putting some out with normal kingpins and see how it goes.

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I would be down with some forged mids with a regular kingpin

Is that combo possible with mix matching or would it sit higher than a mid?

Forged baseplate from indy hollow etc + Mindy hanger?   

I have not done much frankentrucking ?? B4 so I dunno

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I’ve tried to assemble this exact combo, it’s just about off as far as fit is concerned. when I put an Indy mid hanger into normal Indy forged plates, you can see the hanger digs into the pivot cup area of the baseplate. literally bought a set of Indy mids just to try that. 😂

Haha. Thx

[CarcassToss]

Regarding the Stage 4 I agree with another poster that once they had the geo it probably wouldn't have been impossible to have a slightly more svelte mold for the hanger, a bit more sculpted baseplate,  the top bushing doesn't do as much for turn/geo as the bottom so they coulda done a tad more for clearance, maybe hollow options and at least had a truck that had a respectable weight.

It would suggest they weren't just putting something out there to eat into the Ace market but actually putting effort into something. After the Mid flop that might indicate that they give a shit. I really can't believe they shit the bed on the Mid the way they did. How you end up with a shorter truck that is heavier than the taller one and an IKP that blows when you own a company that makes IKP trucks is beyond me. They coulda literally did what Ace did with the low and made different plates and bushings for the standard hanger and had something great.

[Frank and Fred]

Regarding the Stage 4 I agree with another poster that once they had the geo it probably wouldn't have been impossible to have a slightly more svelte mold for the hanger, a bit more sculpted baseplate,  the top bushing doesn't do as much for turn/geo as the bottom so they coulda done a tad more for clearance, maybe hollow options and at least had a truck that had a respectable weight.

It would suggest they weren't just putting something out there to eat into the Ace market but actually putting effort into something. After the Mid flop that might indicate that they give a shit. I really can't believe they shit the bed on the Mid the way they did. How you end up with a shorter truck that is heavier than the taller one and an IKP that blows when you own a company that makes IKP trucks is beyond me. They coulda literally did what Ace did with the low and made different plates and bushings for the standard hanger and had something great.

That would totally defeat the point of the Stage 4 reissue. Its a great truck and pretty authentic. Needs some slipping axles though and only 4 holes on the base plate with the nose slide eating front bolt holes.

Honestly stage 11 turn just fine and are a far better truck. Take Stage 4 for what they are. A little celebration of the past.

[CarcassToss]

No it wouldn't. It would look mostly the same and turn the same. It's completely possible to shave underneath the hanger and it look mostly the same. It wouldn't botch anything really and I doubt anyone now cares that it matches 100%.

I like the Stage 4 hanger actually. Looks wise I'm into them and the turn is quite unique. I think for market share they'd get more riders if a few details that I mentioned improved weight and clearance.

Think of it this way- plenty of people still ride Ace Classic. The second skaters hear things like "they're heavy" they latch onto it. Even the more fried local skaters/shop rats say that about the mids. If the weight is equal or lower they don't have that one weird single reason not to buy them or try them vs the 11s

[Frank and Fred]

Reissue. It's not a Stage 12.

You're barking up the wrong tree to cure your madness.

[Xen]

Regarding the Stage 4 I agree with another poster that once they had the geo it probably wouldn't have been impossible to have a slightly more svelte mold for the hanger, a bit more sculpted baseplate,  the top bushing doesn't do as much for turn/geo as the bottom so they coulda done a tad more for clearance, maybe hollow options and at least had a truck that had a respectable weight.

It would suggest they weren't just putting something out there to eat into the Ace market but actually putting effort into something. After the Mid flop that might indicate that they give a shit. I really can't believe they shit the bed on the Mid the way they did. How you end up with a shorter truck that is heavier than the taller one and an IKP that blows when you own a company that makes IKP trucks is beyond me. They coulda literally did what Ace did with the low and made different plates and bushings for the standard hanger and had something great.

Exactly what they should have done with the mids...instead they beefed up the hanger to gain better grind clearance (think of a low truck and making the hanger area thicker) thereby making them heavier.

I still feel they could trim down the stage XI, the Stage IV, ACE/Slappy/Royal/Venture/whatever ALL have slim/trim yokes...

Watch indy drop a stage XII when/if a new thunder hits.

I'm an outlier, but the forged hollow mindy is my favorite indy.

[pops]

I measured the kp clearance from both af1 and stage 4, kp nut sits flush on both trucks and I got 1-1.5mm more clearance on my stage 4s. Maybe the kp angle is different and makes it look different (less) idk.

[Rick Trapasso]

I measured the kp clearance from both af1 and stage 4, kp nut sits flush on both trucks and I got 1-1.5mm more clearance on my stage 4s. Maybe the kp angle is different and makes it look different (less) idk.

KP clearance-gate

[Mbrimson88]

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Did they do an Indy mid with a regular kingpin? If they put all that money into molds and people's main issue is the inverted kingpin might be worth putting some out with normal kingpins and see how it goes.

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I would be down with some forged mids with a regular kingpin

Is that combo possible with mix matching or would it sit higher than a mid?

Forged baseplate from indy hollow etc + Mindy hanger?   

I have not done much frankentrucking ?? B4 so I dunno

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I’ve tried to assemble this exact combo, it’s just about off as far as fit is concerned. when I put an Indy mid hanger into normal Indy forged plates, you can see the hanger digs into the pivot cup area of the baseplate. literally bought a set of Indy mids just to try that. 😂

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Haha. Thx

A few people I know who had issues with the inverted kingpin on the mid baseplate ended up putting the mid hanger on standard baseplates (not forged) and they work well for them.

Usually angle grind down the kingpin and use some of my Indy low top bushings and they fit quite well all round, for the usual 52 mm tall Indy truck mash up.  Cutting down kingpins is not a big deal, as is cutting top bushings, when it comes to it, but that was just a situation where they made the most of it, as I always have spare standard baseplates now and their mids were too worn / out of warranty.

When I did a mix and match with a set of the old low Indy trucks (Koston 129s) everything fit quite well with enough clearance there too, but again it is one of those things I would only do if I had the parts, not go out and buy something specific to make that setup.

The inverted kingpin baseplates that are sold as aftermarket product fit any hanger, so depending on perspective, the hangers could fit any baseplate, even though I know others (as above) have said they don't quite match up.


Just one of those things I guess, depending on how keen someone was to make something work, but in this instance, having a lower Indy is the main thing and you can't trim down any normal hangers, so you either have to find old stock of the Indy low trucks or mix and match with mids to some degree.


* I still have not seen any forged mids in all my travels, but I guess most shops I know were over the mids with the first round not selling well, so have not stocked any other variations of them.