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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: yeah dude! on April 24, 2008, 01:54:14 PM
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Anyone seen the new issue of (that shitty magazine) Vapor? They did an article on how the Chief became "slap pal". Pretty funny.
I'll try to scan it later
(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2738/photo3yo7.jpg)
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you scan this with a mirror?
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Naw, I used photo booth on my little sisters macbook
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haha wow... im kind of speechless
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it only took a year for someone to realize this was a story worth covering, huh
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He's posting in that very pic
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He's posting in that very pic
Then it's possible I'm in a magazine!
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Did anyone from that thread get interviewed?
...besides Jamie I mean.
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He's posting in that very pic
in the beautiful women thread none the less...
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Merry Christmas donkeys...
http://70.86.150.130/vaporsnew/index.aspx?issue=issue01
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If anyone is having trouble seeing the full drop down menu the story is on page 48.
Pretty cool arcticle. Hopefully the board doesn't get flooded with random kids puking out shit posts but I doubt many of them read Vapors. Gotta give him credit for taking it full on. Most would have never said a word on here.
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you're only as good as your last post.
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Merry Christmas donkeys...
http://70.86.150.130/vaporsnew/index.aspx?issue=issue01
Thanks Vlade.
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Pretty good article. Thanks.
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Another thanks to Vlade here as well. That wasn't a bad little read. Hopefully Jamie's screen name being in the article won't overload the place with groms.
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It was awesome when he e-sparred the goth who could carry 500 pound logs on each shoulder.
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wow that was really good, I haven't seen Jamie in a little while, where you at Jamie?
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It was awesome when he e-sparred the goth who could carry 500 pound logs on each shoulder.
The article was actually spot on. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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Whoever wrote that article should post in this thread.
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Sheckler alert - page 16
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Hurry Twitch lock the registration.
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Thanks Vlade for the link. That was a good read, Jamie is a man for coming here and talking unlike all the other pros and ams who talk shit about this place with out even coming here and talking.
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Hurry Twitch lock the registration.
glad i signed up a couple days ago :D
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Thanks Vlade for the link. That was a good read, Jamie is a man for coming here and talking unlike all the other pros and ams who talk shit about this place with out even coming here and talking.
Yeah man, "fuck the haterzzz"
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i seriously cant believe that
SLAP
has its own article in a major "culture mag"
and of all people that get spotlighted its jt
he got straight emb'd when he came here
i got love for jaimes persistance dedication and cyberskin
but henry cliff kelch and fortune paid way more dues
if the questions i asked henry and all the shit i put him through
were printed in a real magazine
it would have been the realest most stellar interview EVER
before jt even thought about thinkin of posting here
slap matterd
its funny cuz this isnt even the real slap
slap was REAL before the youtube generation
slap was REAL when guile was a bitch ass canuck bootyhole sukkker
whatever
i am the unseen king of this shit
peace to the og brian muthafukkkin tucci
jah
reed
shawn
grim
bk brawl dog
and the sikkkest poster ever
silent john
out!!!!
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LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT FAGGOT
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I thought of doing an article but i'd rather just post now.....
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The article was actually spot on. I'm pleasantly surprised.
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really good read. It's still unbelievable to me that jamie came on here, took all the shit and came out on top. He definately earned my respect by dealing with most of the arguements on here and coming up with civil responses. Obviously he can't please everyone but ya can't win em all.
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time for some slap pal tattoos ...
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so 2 things i noticed about that magazine that have nothing to do with Jamie Thomas
1. Matt Ball had an ad for Ambigous clothing, hasn't that dude not had a legit sponsor for a while now?
2. Theres some Mountain Dew ad with some fake ass photoshopped ad of a Model riding a skateboard (possibley on a wave) Don't those dudes pay P-Rod and a couple of other clowns to ride for them, hell they sponsor a action sports tour don't they have a grasp at whats wack and what isn't. or couldn't thye at least use a legit pro that they already pay in an ad.
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so how long before sheckler shows up?
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i seriously cant believe that
SLAP
has its own article in a major "culture mag"
and of all people that get spotlighted its jt
he got straight emb'd when he came here
i got love for jaimes persistance dedication and cyberskin
but henry cliff kelch and fortune paid way more dues
if the questions i asked henry and all the shit i put him through
were printed in a real magazine
it would have been the realest most stellar interview EVER
before jt even thought about thinkin of posting here
slap matterd
Your a fucking joke who kisses as much ass as possible when a pro/ex pro pops up
MORON
its funny cuz this isnt even the real slap
slap was REAL before the youtube generation
slap was REAL when guile was a bitch ass canuck bootyhole sukkker
whatever
i am the unseen king of this shit
peace to the og brian muthafukkkin tucci
jah
reed
shawn
grim
bk brawl dog
and the sikkkest poster ever
silent john
out!!!!
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Sheff!
Are you having problems with your old account, man?
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i seriously cant believe that
SLAP
has its own article in a major "culture mag"
and of all people that get spotlighted its jt
he got straight emb'd when he came here
i got love for jaimes persistance dedication and cyberskin
but henry cliff kelch and fortune paid way more dues
if the questions i asked henry and all the shit i put him through
were printed in a real magazine
it would have been the realest most stellar interview EVER
before jt even thought about thinkin of posting here
slap matterd
its funny cuz this isnt even the real slap
slap was REAL before the youtube generation
slap was REAL when guile was a bitch ass canuck bootyhole sukkker
whatever
i am the unseen king of this shit
peace to the og brian muthafukkkin tucci
jah
reed
shawn
grim
bk brawl dog
and the sikkkest poster ever
silent john
out!!!!
sheeeeeeeeeefffffffff!
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sheff you gotta film something for the next video!
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time for some slap pal tattoos ...
i say pin worms or lolcats....
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sorry for gnarring you sheff, reed was NEVER legit
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sorry for gnarring you sheff, reed was NEVER legit
getting pissed off over a 12 year old kids posts? pussy shit bro
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so people take these boards wayy to seriously
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He's posting in that very pic
i h0pe hez pm'in meh...
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Good read for sure, Jamie has been a great sport and has helped make this place more legit in my opinion and sheff, HOLLA! you the man.
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*hops on sheffledges balls*
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and I thought we were down, sheff?
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...has helped make this place more legit in my opinion...
How so? Just curious.
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i wanna thank sheff for adding bitch ass canuck bootyhole sukkker to my insult vocabulary
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great, the king of regular posts has returned.
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Good read for sure, Jamie has been a great sport and has helped make this place more legit in my opinion and sheff, HOLLA! you the man.
More legit...nigga please!
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It's good that he has a mac so when he downloads asian porn he won't get viruses and ruin his productivity.
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good thing
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and I thought we were down, sheff?
dammit jt
you gotta read the whole shit before you assume shit
I gave you props prolly before anyone on this board
and i never hated you
i hate the kids that like you
you must understand
that i knew who you were when the invisible vid was brand spankin new
pre toy, fame, and straight up homeless as bubbles off the wire
and hungrier than a mike vick pitbull
i like the skater not the
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p93XOlLoFws (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p93XOlLoFws)
that you have become
much respect
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that's true, I remember sheff defending Jamie way back when.
Oh, and props on the bubbles reference.
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i was jus kidding sheff, i take no offense
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this is like jordan and pippen unretiring together
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yeah bro, incubus totally explains the way i feel about this shit.
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wow actually pretty awesome.
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...has helped make this place more legit in my opinion...
How so? Just curious.
Well for one no company onwer would come on here and take shit the way he has, which some should CEO's and other company dudes alike might benefit from. Also when I was a kid I would hear rumors and stories about a lot of dudes and not once could I hop on a little white box and ask someone who is a credible or that the rumor might be about to find out some truth. Now with Jamie and some of the others on here "When's this droppin, did so and so do this, is this person on flow" ect... I think there is more to be said but thats the meat and potatos.
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I think Jamie coming here to defend himself, and getting sucked into threads proves that behind all the bandanas, fans, and companies, he's just a skate nerd who made it big, but still loves the art of it. Which is rad.
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Remember that rail JT 5050's in Dying To Live and the paint's flying off. Yeah, that was sick.
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It's embarassing how awfully Jamie Thomas bitched this forum.
You motherfuckers hated his guts, but as soon as he got here started sucking cock -- no changes on his part, and very little explanation for the different shit he has done over the years.
Well, I this is actually not embarassing for me. Maybe second-hand embarassment, but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
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It's good that he has a mac so when he downloads asian porn he won't get viruses and ruin his productivity.
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I'd like to know under what name Mackenzie Eisenhour posts. It's only fair.
I liked the article but I would have liked to hear from other top pros who lurk anonymously and cliff, sanch, JF. It would have rounded off the discussion on how pros relate to the boards.
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OMGz teh FAMUS PRO SK8RS!11 MAY I BOHTER U W/ A FEW QESTIons?
i lIEK UR LEAP OF FAITH. DID GOD HELP U LAND IT?
DOEs ZERO SKATEBOARDS have teh best poPP????
HOW MANY STAIRS CAN U OLLIE???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Whoa there, horsey!
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heh. for a self-styled skateboard "journalist" our friend "mackenzie eisenhower" sure has this tendency to fawn over his subjects
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It's embarassing how awfully Jamie Thomas bitched this forum.
You motherfuckers hated his guts, but as soon as he got here started sucking cock -- no changes on his part, and very little explanation for the different shit he has done over the years.
Well, I this is actually not embarassing for me. Maybe second-hand embarassment, but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
If this was posted by anyone other than yourself it might be worth discussing. It might have also had me wondering why I'm so lame, but since I already know that and that you're worse, it's completely disregardable.
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... but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
PS. You're super gnarly for "typing" this!
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"whats the deal with magazines doing articles about message boards? what is up with tha-at?!"
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I seriously butt-fucked my liver in Montreal again this weekend.
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It's embarassing how awfully Jamie Thomas bitched this forum.
You motherfuckers hated his guts, but as soon as he got here started sucking cock -- no changes on his part, and very little explanation for the different shit he has done over the years.
Well, I this is actually not embarassing for me. Maybe second-hand embarassment, but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
If this was posted by anyone other than yourself it might be worth discussing. It might have also had me wondering why I'm so lame, but since I already know that and that you're worse, it's completely disregardable.
Newton's right and you know it. I don't think you're "lame" but nearly everyone on this forum has had their lips surgically attached to your dick. Pretty much all of your posts regarding other skaters are generic compliments and a ton of your other posts come from you talking about your own companies. You're not exactally saying anything deserving of incredibly high praise... It's not a bad thing since you obviously would have a lot to lose by putting yourself out there as much as Henry Sanchez did, but he was a much better and to honest more interesting member than you. Don't be all offended or some shit either becuase this isn't about your character it's just about your posting habits - that's just the way I see it and I don't feel like trying to argue it with every single other member on the forum chipping in about how I'm a dickhead and you're such a great poster because "OMG he lyke totally comes on here just like us, he's so down to earth, HES JUST LIKE US."
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yeah, before dudes were fucking ATTACKING him about the blank/shop board controversy, i dont think he ceased that whole policy either and i think they are still continuing to attempt to make it go through
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I also had poutine four times in two days. My friend rolled a pogo stick into a slice of pizza and ate it like that. It pretty much owned my poutine calorie intake.
In retaliation, I broke into his place at 5AM and finished the rest of his beer with my friends on his porch till he came home.
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It's embarassing how awfully Jamie Thomas bitched this forum.
You motherfuckers hated his guts, but as soon as he got here started sucking cock -- no changes on his part, and very little explanation for the different shit he has done over the years.
Well, I this is actually not embarassing for me. Maybe second-hand embarassment, but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
If this was posted by anyone other than yourself it might be worth discussing. It might have also had me wondering why I'm so lame, but since I already know that and that you're worse, it's completely disregardable.
If by the “lip attachment” you mean that people aren’t hating as much as they used to, yeah it’s not as fun when the person’s there to defend themselves and the novelty of calling them out just to engage in conversation eventually wears off.
…I’m not here to prove how down to earth I am, I’m hear cause I want to read what people have to say and occasionally say something. I'm the last person to think that something I have done or my involvement on the board is worthy of any praise...and if my posting style seems too subtle, it’s cause I want to bring something positive to this shit and it’s usually my honest take. As you pointed out, I have no anonymity, so I basically won’t say anything here that I wouldn’t say in a magazine interview. That makes my posts less harsh and I’m okay with that, cause I’m not trying to make anyone feel like shit just for kicks.
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yeah, before dudes were fucking ATTACKING him about the blank/shop board controversy, i dont think he ceased that whole policy either and i think they are still continuing to attempt to make it go through
...if by policy, you mean giving shops who are sacrificing profits to support skateboarding a bigger discount, yeah we're still doing that.
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...if by
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Cheap Mexican labor saves the skateboarding industry yet again.
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Cheap Mexican labor saves the skateboarding industry yet again.
I sense the sarcasm, but it yeah it makes discounts possible.
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It's been a little over a year since the 120 page bashing. Now it appears that it's time to call me out on all the same topics, so you don't look like your dick riding.
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on a dick riding note, i put thrill of it all in the vcr today, i never realized jamie did a late shove over the point loma rail, seriously what the fuck
what ever happened to wade burkitt, scott copalman, and some of those other guys? i know aaron harrison is/was on atm, he fucking was really good in rocket science
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on a dick riding note, i put thrill of it all in the vcr today, i never realized jamie did a late shove over the point loma rail, seriously what the fuck
what ever happened to wade burkitt, scott copalman, and some of those other guys? i know aaron harrison is/was on atm, he fucking was really good in rocket science
got beat to a pulp for an hour and a half on the late shove, I basically kept trying til i got lucky, so I can't take credit like im good.
Burkitt's pickled in OZ being artsy. Copalman's back in Phoenix, I think he's going to school for film making.
...and Ellington, Lopez and Mumford would be the other guys.
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jaime, i really don't think you have to defend yourself anymore, just let the haters hate.
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i think i asked this question before but never got an answer.....what was with the jean cut sweat pants....were those your idea?
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sorry, it's in my nature, but I try to keep it mellow. rather than getting all "sideways".
i hear ya. no need to apologize though. i feel that beef is done and over with, and its time for the haters to move on.
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Cheap Mexican labor saves the skateboarding industry yet again.
I sense the sarcasm, but it yeah it makes discounts possible.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z297/sjmaloney/Dazed.jpg)
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
nothin man discounts are dope
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
next time just stick to brown cords....
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Jamie, will you pass the blunt? Fuckin' hog!
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.
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On the way home from the bar this weekend, my friend rolled his pizza around a Pogo Stick. It's pretty much the biggest hammer I've ever seen.
(http://itsapiratethang.com/042808%20mittens/mittens%2034.jpg)
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.
isnt that what your all about though? ladies pants?
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yeah, totally!
k'ed
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It's embarassing how awfully Jamie Thomas bitched this forum.
You motherfuckers hated his guts, but as soon as he got here started sucking cock -- no changes on his part, and very little explanation for the different shit he has done over the years.
Well, I this is actually not embarassing for me. Maybe second-hand embarassment, but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
If this was posted by anyone other than yourself it might be worth discussing. It might have also had me wondering why I'm so lame, but since I already know that and that you're worse, it's completely disregardable.
If by the “lip attachment” you mean that people aren’t hating as much as they used to, yeah it’s not as fun when the person’s there to defend themselves and the novelty of calling them out just to engage in conversation eventually wears off.
…I’m not here to prove how down to earth I am, I’m hear cause I want to read what people have to say and occasionally say something. I'm the last person to think that something I have done or my involvement on the board is worthy of any praise...and if my posting style seems too subtle, it’s cause I want to bring something positive to this shit and it’s usually my honest take. As you pointed out, I have no anonymity, so I basically won’t say anything here that I wouldn’t say in a magazine interview. That makes my posts less harsh and I’m okay with that, cause I’m not trying to make anyone feel like shit just for kicks.
You don't have to be so defensive, the post wasn't meant to attack you. "Not hating as much as usual." It's obvious why you like everyone sucking up to you but you don't pretend like it's not happening. Thank you for appreciating my honesty.
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yeah, totally!
k'ed
:-*
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
I've been thinking about this same idea for years. I love skating in sweats.
when did these come out?
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.
You can do better than that, c'mon...
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haters gonna hate........lovers gonna love........i dont wanna do........none of the above..........i wanna piss on you
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If you're not hating, you're sucking up?
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It's embarassing how awfully Jamie Thomas bitched this forum.
You motherfuckers hated his guts, but as soon as he got here started sucking cock -- no changes on his part, and very little explanation for the different shit he has done over the years.
Well, I this is actually not embarassing for me. Maybe second-hand embarassment, but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
If this was posted by anyone other than yourself it might be worth discussing. It might have also had me wondering why I'm so lame, but since I already know that and that you're worse, it's completely disregardable.
saphire raven was pretty funny
and JT's pretty chill on the board. maybe not the most entertaining poster, but if he was then he'd be getting into Bono territory a bit
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_1YOC-1Sxpzc/Rw360VtFkWI/AAAAAAAAAHU/GIqdNQZCwxw/s320/bonofied.JPG)
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If by the “lip attachment” you mean that people aren’t hating as much as they used to, yeah it’s not as fun when the person’s there to defend themselves and the novelty of calling them out just to engage in conversation eventually wears off.
…I’m not here to prove how down to earth I am, I’m hear cause I want to read what people have to say and occasionally say something. I'm the last person to think that something I have done or my involvement on the board is worthy of any praise...and if my posting style seems too subtle, it’s cause I want to bring something positive to this shit and it’s usually my honest take. As you pointed out, I have no anonymity, so I basically won’t say anything here that I wouldn’t say in a magazine interview. That makes my posts less harsh and I’m okay with that, cause I’m not trying to make anyone feel like shit just for kicks.
discussion= defensive?
not hating= suck up?
...for the record, their were people lining up to sweat Sanch before he said "F" everyone.
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is sanch gone for good?
What about jayme fortune?
nieratko?
j strickland?
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is sanch gone for good?
What about jayme fortune?
nieratko?
j strickland?
I wouldn't say gone, i'd bet my left nut they all lurk on here, but don't want to be active posters anymore...at least JF, and Sanch anyway
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Damn should I focus my account to?
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I haven't even revealed my skateboard celebrity identity and I'm already thinking I should focus my account..
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Dude, I already have a dick layered on your face. Just gotta adjust the colours and you're good!
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I haven't even revealed my skateboard celebrity identity and I'm already thinking I should focus my account..
Alex Olsen? Lindsay Robertson? Mike Carroll?
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Can you photoshop some pastel hipster shit and an ironic mustache onto me as well? Fitting in is fun.
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^^^Pat O'Dell.
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Epicly Hater'd.
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Can you tell Athena that she's so Slap's Babe of 2005?
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I haven't even revealed my skateboard celebrity identity and I'm already thinking I should focus my account..
I can guess your identity from your posts... yes... it's coming to me now... hhhhhnnnnnNNNnnnnNNNGGGGGGgGGG!!!!!
BING!
Welcome to the boards, Mako Urabe.
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I know the writings of Steve Olson(foundation/shortys) when I hear it.
I guess you finally landed after jumping over the wall @ hubba am i rite?
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It's gotta be Damon Byrd.
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Mark Henitzman.
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What if I was Bobby Puleo, Slap's Messiah, and I'd came to take the Pals to the promised land of cellar doors and scattering pigeons? Where there is skinny wheels and Ramen noodles for all.
Or would that be a sign of the end times for this place?
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i love how people(well kids) mistake respect for dick riding.
if JT did nothing for skating and we all sat around and said he was the shit, that would be dick riding.
a dude who came from nothing, broke himself for skating, started his own thing, employs 25+ pros/ams, not to mention all the regular people he employs that work in the office, i would say the man has earned our respect.
respect isn't something you simply get, its something you earn.
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If by the “lip attachment” you mean that people aren’t hating as much as they used to, yeah it’s not as fun when the person’s there to defend themselves and the novelty of calling them out just to engage in conversation eventually wears off.
…I’m not here to prove how down to earth I am, I’m hear cause I want to read what people have to say and occasionally say something. I'm the last person to think that something I have done or my involvement on the board is worthy of any praise...and if my posting style seems too subtle, it’s cause I want to bring something positive to this shit and it’s usually my honest take. As you pointed out, I have no anonymity, so I basically won’t say anything here that I wouldn’t say in a magazine interview. That makes my posts less harsh and I’m okay with that, cause I’m not trying to make anyone feel like shit just for kicks.
discussion= defensive?
not hating= suck up?
...for the record, their were people lining up to sweat Sanch before he said "F" everyone.
Well a point by point rebuttal type of answer seems kind of defensive. You seem to believe that I think that by not hating on you people are sucking up to you, which is not true. There's a fine line between each. Your Sanchez reference is a pretty good example, the only reason people stopped sweating him his because he flipped out - Why would you think it would be a different situation for you?
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I'm gonna take this time to send a personal FUCK YOU to henry sanchez...thanks for helping me make it through the winter, douche!!!
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What if I was Bobby Puleo, Slap's Messiah, and I'd came to take the Pals to the promised land of cellar doors and scattering pigeons? Where there is skinny wheels and Ramen noodles for all.
Or would that be a sign of the end times for this place?
My "Slap Messiah" is Gino, and his promiseland is house arrest, so I might be one for signing up for the cellar door train.
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As I was giving my board it's "exam" after skating yesterday I noticed my front left wheel was CONED! I don't know who on here rides for SpitFire but I blame you for it.
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It's the Hate here thats keeps these kids alive. It is their life force, what motivates 90% of the posting here.
Essentially what Publius Fannius Synistor is saying is: Are you sure you don't want to be a complete asshole, amounting to roughly a week or two (20 odd pages) of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
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the fit of the sweatpants came out kinda wacky, but yeah it was my idea, I thought it would be sick to have sweats fit like jeans.
what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
i saw a video where some girl had stretch pants that were printed like some acid washed jeans maybe you should look into those.
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Can you please change your fucking name?
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What if I was Bobby Puleo, Slap's Messiah, and I'd came to take the Pals to the promised land of cellar doors and scattering pigeons? Where there is skinny wheels and Ramen noodles for all.
Or would that be a sign of the end times for this place?
Bobby Puleo?
Damn, hate to break the news to you but John broke his back, Ali's in a coma and Shane's dead. On the positive side the Lakia video finally dropped. Eitherway, welcome to 08.
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What if I was Bobby Puleo, Slap's Messiah, and I'd came to take the Pals to the promised land of cellar doors and scattering pigeons? Where there is skinny wheels and Ramen noodles for all.
Or would that be a sign of the end times for this place?
Bobby Puleo?
Damn, hate to break the news to you but John broke his back, Ali's in a coma and Shane's dead. On the positive side the Lakia video finally dropped. Eitherway, welcome to 08.
UUhhhhh ali has been out of that coma for a while.......
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On a side note, a lot of things that get labeled "hate" around here really aren't.
Interrogations maybe, but not hate.
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
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I also remember raising much hell in that thread. Jamie, did you wind up eventually meeting all of us that welcomed you to the forums?
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I think he's met everyone but Dr. Newton. Have you met Beautifull? Or have you met Doug Brown?
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whens the product toss?
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I think he's met everyone but Dr. Newton.
no.
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Welcome home.
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You know, he has met most of us. I haven't seen him since he started posting but when I go visit San Diego this summer or fall, I'll be knocking on the door at Black Box like, "can I borrow your mac? I need to post something real quick." then cruising the park with my friends he employs.
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I'll be knocking on the door at Black Box like, "can I borrow your mac? I need to post something real quick."
aah cute, then maybe you two could get together and try to delete a couple of threads or ban a few people or otherwise somehow ruin this messageboard.
maybe post some innocent kids phone number?
by the way who will be looking after your bastard child while you're in S.D?
the dog?
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I'll be knocking on the door at Black Box like, "can I borrow your mac? I need to post something real quick."
aah cute, then maybe you two could get together and try to delete a couple of threads or ban a few people or otherwise somehow ruin this messageboard.
maybe post some innocent kids phone number?
by the way who will be looking after your bastard child while your in S.D?
the dog?
Damn. Welcome back Otis
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I'll be knocking on the door at Black Box like, "can I borrow your mac? I need to post something real quick."
aah cute, then maybe you two could get together and try to delete a couple of threads or ban a few people or otherwise somehow ruin this messageboard.
maybe post some innocent kids phone number?
by the way who will be looking after your bastard child while your in S.D?
the dog?
^ oh shit SWEETS, I bet that your mouse pointer is hovering over the "Report to moderators" button as I type this
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yawn... man, i had a rotten sleep last night. hope tonight is better
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yawn... man, i had a rotten sleep last night. hope tonight is better
why don't you print out some of your classic 'whatever' posts about camera lenses, cats or driving cars with gearsticks and read them back to yourself in bed.
that should do it.
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Holy Shit this thread is killing it.
In terms of sheer jaw dropping I mean.
But that could just be the cock's talking.
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... but I'm not bitching out. Fuck you Jamie Thomas.
PS. You're super gnarly for "typing" this!
Well, what do you want me to do? I'll write it to you in a Christmas card, say it to you on the phone, invite you to my house and say it to you over dinner, etc. It's really no problem. I'm not afraid of "the Chief," or the scary (maybe I should say "super gnarly") graphics he puts on the bottom of his Mexican-made Zumiez skateboards.
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Ive got nothing but love for JT. All his parts get me psyched and id much rather support him and blackbox than whatever companies burton owns.
To all those who say im "sucking dick"....suck my dick.
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
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You have no idea what's going on here, do you?
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More than you realize.
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Okay, Damon Byrd.
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i always get scared of new posters with an overabundance of slap knowledge..
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Okay, Damon Byrd.
I just choked on my fucking cigarette, good shit.
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You know, he has met most of us. I haven't seen him since he started posting but when I go visit San Diego this summer or fall, I'll be knocking on the door at Black Box like, "can I borrow your mac? I need to post something real quick." then cruising the park with my friends he employs.
Haha, no fucking way - this has to be sarcasm.
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its really lame that people were mean to jayme fortune though, that guy was a good guy and was having some troublesome shit
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
Your point is that they all don't realize that every point you just made is absolute bullshit.
Go Newton!!
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
try harder.
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
he was supposedly the head of a committee of pros that told transworld stop wasting space in the magazines on local scenes that no one cares about, a new orleans article had already been shot and scrapped because of that.
he never really addressed it in any of these threads.
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
he never really addressed it in any of these threads.
I saw comments about this in the marathon thread, but didn't know what it was about.
I asked Steven at Humidity if he knew anything about it and he explained what you just said.
It was the first I'd ever heard about being on such a committee. So, to set the record straight for all of the New Orleans heads, I didn't and would never try to kybosh someone else's come up, especially since I come from just around the way.
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
Your point is that they all don't realize that every point you just made is absolute bullshit.
Go Newton!!
Hahaha, you talking about me? Trying to get a rise out of me now? Are you fully Slap-Integrated and are exactly what I was talking about? (in the belief that I am the famous Damon Byrd and do weird flip shit) Sha!
I wasn't defending Jamie Thomas, just using him as an example of the immature, yet undeniably entertaining reaction of shit-talking that occurs when theres someone known here. If anything the article pretty much makes it out as though he conquered the Slap boards with an almost nike-like attempt of 'being on the level' and whatever else 'grassroots' shit equates to legitimacy in skateboarding. I enjoy the secondhand embarrassment from reading that shit too, but it might be cooler to get a little bit more 'behind the scenes' shit instead of having pages upon pages of a pro responding to comments on their sensual orientation.
BlackBox is boring aside from theses skate media manipulation claims, and how the dude runs that business.
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Why did the original Jamie Thomas 120-page Q&A thread get deleted anyway?
Did Jamie ask to get that one deleted or did a rogue moderator take action into his own hands (again)?
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Why did the original Jamie Thomas 120-page Q&A thread get deleted anyway?
Did Jamie ask to get that one deleted or did a rogue moderator take action into his own hands (again)?
yeah cool, but no I didn't have anything to do with it, it was in classic slap, then it wasn't.
I asked dudes at high speed, but they wouldn't give a reason for deleting it.
Hahaha, you talking about me? Trying to get a rise out of me now? Are you fully Slap-Integrated and are exactly what I was talking about? (in the belief that I am the famous Damon Byrd and do weird flip shit) Sha!
I wasn't defending Jamie Thomas, just using him as an example of the immature, yet undeniably entertaining reaction of shit-talking that occurs when theres someone known here. If anything the article pretty much makes it out as though he conquered the Slap boards with an almost nike-like attempt of 'being on the level' and whatever else 'grassroots' shit equates to legitimacy in skateboarding. I enjoy the secondhand embarrassment from reading that shit too, but it might be cooler to get a little bit more 'behind the scenes' shit instead of having pages upon pages of a pro responding to comments on their sensual orientation.
BlackBox is boring aside from theses skate media manipulation claims, and how the dude runs that business.
also, for the record, I totally asked vapor to write something on me being on the boards to help my rep.
i'm over here learning from Nike and making moves.
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I don't want to seem like a dick rider, but I believe that Jamie is actually an extremely grounded person. Quit trying to irritate him.
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Well I didn't mean literally..
So what exactly were your feelings on the article? You don't think it has some 'Marketing to Youth 101' aspects to it?
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i'm over here learning from Nike and making moves.
what you mean by releasing the same style shoe over and over again?
the ripper
(http://www.onewayboardshop.com/productImages/PAAAAALHONHBHJELt.jpg)
harmony
(http://www.exitrealworld.com/catalog/images/harmony-blk-wht-med.jpg)
my personal favorite, with a little bit of both, the bandit
(http://www.buywake.com/catalog_images/Fallen/md/Bandit_DKGYBK.jpg)
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i'm over here learning from Nike and making moves.
what you mean by releasing the same style shoe over and over again?
the ripper
harmony
my personal favorite, with a little bit of both, the bandit
yeah, we use the same logo on all the shoes, damn we're stupid.
of all that you could say, this is your burn, c'mon you got the floor?
get some!
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dude put pete eldridge on mystery and we'll talk
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of entertainment for the Pals and the Lurkers?
There's a difference.
Last year this whole thing was with Pals, while lurkers sat and watched.
This year, the lurkers come out of the woodwork and act like they were part of it.
None of you new account assholes were calling him gay any more than I was. You can't say anything if all you did was sit and watch.
That is sooooooo O.G. of you dude, joining these boards a year ago and then shit talking Jamie Thomas before anyone else! My point was I think most of the disrespect for JT stems from a feeling of an importance/recognition if Jamie quotes your name or responds directly to your shittalking. You all get so giddy getting a rise out of a 'known' person, (J. Gray, J. Fortune, J. Strickland, a Darkstar team manager), but maybe Dr. Newton is better qualified for such psychology.
But I like Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, James Kelch, Alex Chalmers, and James Craig. I did not like Jim Gray. I either wasn't here or didn't see the posts from the rest of those people.
You all just do not recognize what a scumbag the guy is. He has to be in control of everything, at all times. That's why he sends Chris Cole regular shit to wear, and photoshops bandanas into his ads. That's why he gives every magazine (including Big Brother, according to Dave Carnie) a hard time pretty much all the time. I even heard something about Transworld wanting to feature some local skaters somewhere, and Jamie Thomas getting mad because his riders could "do the same thing, only better."
he never really addressed it in any of these threads.
I saw comments about this in the marathon thread, but didn't know what it was about.
I asked Steven at Humidity if he knew anything about it and he explained what you just said.
It was the first I'd ever heard about being on such a committee. So, to set the record straight for all of the New Orleans heads, I didn't and would never try to kybosh someone else's come up, especially since I come from just around the way.
well Stephen wasn't involved in that, he was off doing his own thing at the time so he knows nothing about it.
We were scheduled to have a new orleans article in Transworld, they had a series a local scene coverage going on in transworld at the time
when ours was supposed to come out the local articles got shut down. Maybe it wasn't a direct shut down of the New orleans article
but we were told that basically a bunch of pros got together and told them to stop wasting time on local scenes and focus on pros that ride for the companies that buy ads and support the magazine. Supposedly you were the spokesperson for these pros
Really i don't give a fuck about the article cuz the photographer and some other people pulled some shady shit and fucked me
and some other people over so i quit shooting for it anyway. But a lot of people went all out for that shit and it ended up in some
random free mag like a year later.
But the idea that already established pros would shut down an article so that they could get more pages and get a few more dollars in photo incentives is bullshit.
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i'm over here learning from Nike and making moves.
what you mean by releasing the same style shoe over and over again?
the ripper
harmony
my personal favorite, with a little bit of both, the bandit
yeah, we use the same logo on all the shoes, damn we're stupid.
of all that you could say, this is your burn, c'mon you got the floor?
get some!
sorry thats all i got. that and an autographed dirty dozen poster from you on my wall.
see i dont actually hate you. but in the article you said you liked hearing real skate opinions.
well, here it is.
all of your shoes look the same and im tired of the black and white marketing. (finally color in the zero ads)
barely any of the shoes have anything but a white sole
it took you way too long to make hill pro
youre biggest demographic is kids like this
(http://a947.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/l_2b9d7e40d9b5367607c4b386a89599ba.jpg)
youre not washed up yet. no.
you need to stop being so proper and correct and actually say what you think instead of all these neutral posts
have you really become a whore to the industry just cause you got a stranglehold on alot of it?
who cares what you say, even if you say fuck skateboarding, as long as chris cole wears that damn bandanna on his head youll still have kids lining up at your black box doors waiting to buy your next all over zero print.
and fuck it, who doesnt love money?
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what I was saying was, stephen told me what the dudes in your area thought/heard.
I've heard people say that the mags don't focus on building heroes, but that's not what I spend my time worrying about.
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i'm over here learning from Nike and making moves.
what you mean by releasing the same style shoe over and over again?
the ripper
harmony
my personal favorite, with a little bit of both, the bandit
yeah, we use the same logo on all the shoes, damn we're stupid.
of all that you could say, this is your burn, c'mon you got the floor?
get some!
see i dont actually hate you. but in the article you said you liked hearing real skate opinions.
well, here it is.
all of your shoes look the same and im tired of the black and white marketing. (finally color in the zero ads)
barely any of the shoes have anything but a white sole
it took you way too long to make hill pro
youre biggest demographic is kids like this
"Zane Samarasinghe"
youre not washed up yet. no.
you need to stop being so proper and correct and actually say what you think instead of all these neutral posts
have you really become a whore to the industry just cause you got a stranglehold on alot of it?
who cares what you say, even if you say fuck skateboarding, as long as chris cole wears that damn bandanna on his head youll still have kids lining up at your black box doors waiting to buy your next all over zero print.
and fuck it, who doesnt love money?
All true, (except the part about me not being washed up) which reminds me we're screwed cause Cole's bandanna went with his hair a year or so ago.
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hey scootboard found new ways to ruin threads besides copying everyone by spamming pictures at the wrong time!
our little boy is growing up.
Jamie what's your review of the Deathwish video?
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hey scootboard found new ways to ruin threads besides copying everyone by spamming pictures at the wrong time!
our little boy is growing up.
Jamie what's your review of the Deathwish video?
I didn't know what to think?
Lots of random crap that was funny the first time, but dragged on when I watched it again.
I was shocked by Lizard, Furby and antwuan's stuff. ...oh and herman is great, he looks like he happens to be skating while they're filming!
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i'm over here learning from Nike and making moves.
what you mean by releasing the same style shoe over and over again?
the ripper
harmony
my personal favorite, with a little bit of both, the bandit
yeah, we use the same logo on all the shoes, damn we're stupid.
of all that you could say, this is your burn, c'mon you got the floor?
get some!
see i dont actually hate you. but in the article you said you liked hearing real skate opinions.
well, here it is.
all of your shoes look the same and im tired of the black and white marketing. (finally color in the zero ads)
barely any of the shoes have anything but a white sole
it took you way too long to make hill pro
youre biggest demographic is kids like this
"Zane Samarasinghe"
youre not washed up yet. no.
you need to stop being so proper and correct and actually say what you think instead of all these neutral posts
have you really become a whore to the industry just cause you got a stranglehold on alot of it?
who cares what you say, even if you say fuck skateboarding, as long as chris cole wears that damn bandanna on his head youll still have kids lining up at your black box doors waiting to buy your next all over zero print.
and fuck it, who doesnt love money?
All true, (except the part about me not being washed up) which reminds me we're screwed cause Cole's bandanna went with his hair a year or so ago.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/3178kr4.jpg)
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well done!
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Im stoked on Guns new front side flip ad on that double set.
DickNagger shut the fuck up.
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well done!
you were always my favorite on tony hawks pro skater <3
ask me what i thought of the video
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DickNagger shut the fuck up.
i'm sorry, who are you again?
p.s. die.
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So Jamie got a premiere/release date for Ride The Sky yet?
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So Jamie got a premiere/release date for Ride The Sky yet?
And you're still pickin up all the pals in a limo/creepy van right?
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Im stoked on Guns new front side flip ad on that double set.
DickNagger shut the fuck up.
is that the Markovich double from the union Vid
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I love how everyone on this board starts their diss off with "i heard that....." WTF, when I was a wee lad, I heard that Muska died 5-0ing a 40 stair hubba with a heroin-filled syringe hanging out of his arm. But at 12 years old I could call bullshit on that one. The thruth is that 99% of you hating on here, wouldn't say jack shit to Jamie if you saw him in public. He's not Tom Penny for fuck's sake, he's not hiding out, he's out skating, doing demos, very public events. If you're such a badass, man up and say something. It's like you're all acting like the jocks who made most of us gravitate to skateboarding as opposed to jock activities like walking the school halls picking on nerds and spending afternoons pumping iron. I'm not defending Jamie, he doesn't need my help, but some of you seriously care waaaay too much about lame shit like this, when there's a real enemy to skateboarding out there......Ryan Sheckler.....
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I love how everyone on this board starts their diss off with "i heard that....." WTF, when I was a wee lad, I heard that Muska died 5-0ing a 40 stair hubba with a heroin-filled syringe hanging out of his arm. But at 12 years old I could call bullshit on that one. The thruth is that 99% of you hating on here, wouldn't say jack shit to Jamie if you saw him in public. He's not Tom Penny for fuck's sake, he's not hiding out, he's out skating, doing demos, very public events. If you're such a badass, man up and say something. It's like you're all acting like the jocks who made most of us gravitate to skateboarding as opposed to jock activities like walking the school halls picking on nerds and spending afternoons pumping iron. I'm not defending Jamie, he doesn't need my help, but some of you seriously care waaaay too much about lame shit like this, when there's a real enemy to skateboarding out there......Ryan Sheckler.....
what dept. do you work in over at Black Box
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I love how everyone on this board starts their diss off with "i heard that....." WTF, when I was a wee lad, I heard that Muska died 5-0ing a 40 stair hubba with a heroin-filled syringe hanging out of his arm. But at 12 years old I could call bullshit on that one. The thruth is that 99% of you hating on here, wouldn't say jack shit to Jamie if you saw him in public. He's not Tom Penny for fuck's sake, he's not hiding out, he's out skating, doing demos, very public events. If you're such a badass, man up and say something. It's like you're all acting like the jocks who made most of us gravitate to skateboarding as opposed to jock activities like walking the school halls picking on nerds and spending afternoons pumping iron. I'm not defending Jamie, he doesn't need my help, but some of you seriously care waaaay too much about lame shit like this, when there's a real enemy to skateboarding out there......Ryan Sheckler.....
I sit right next to your mother.....just sayin'.....
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I dunno mini greek usually it seems like waaaay too many people are caring about sheckler on here.....carot top anti sheckler picture was invented for a reason
its almost embarrasing to type his name out after having forced myself(for some godawful reason, boredom?) to read countless thousands of generic negative posts about him on here..think of how many two page long thread theres been about him in the last year or so where you feel like you're reading broken record...even for when he gets a new hairstyle or something...i guess hes the paris hilton of skateboarding. I'd take a jamie thread anyday. plus that means when you spew some misinformed hate or make jokes theres a chance the person will actually respond..."OMG JAMIEZ REPLIED TO ME!!!1" what a rush huh
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All these little grimy first time posting fuckers coming out of the woodwork need to sit down, shut the fuck up, watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_mg0exFEh0
And go do a fucking 5050 for the motherfucking CHIEF!
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what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.
You think he'd allow that kind of disorder? Here's the Slave sweatshop living up to its name:
(http://lh5.google.com/chauandrew/R2Dy5gHW5dI/AAAAAAAAA_g/DwB8GIZgqpQ/s400/CHNA_MAN_17_05.jpg)
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were you guys expecting something more like this?
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what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.
You think he'd allow that kind of disorder? Here's the Slave sweatshop living up to its name:
a few weeks ago i met some of the people protesting against asian sweatshops...
I kindly asked if i could see the label of the guys demonstration t-shirt.
it said MADE IN CHINA.
Some how they never bothered to check their own shit.
they went with the cheap option. (like most of us)
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i guess i haven't been checking this thread, and i'm kind of glad about that. why is everyone coming at jt for the same shit they came at him for before? i thought we were past this?
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what's the point scootboard? dazed related? hear no? speak no? see no???
(http://www.fundamentalfinance.com/images/latin-sweatshop.jpg)
Cool, i guess apparently so are factories where ladies make pants.
You think he'd allow that kind of disorder? Here's the Slave sweatshop living up to its name:
a few weeks ago i met some of the people protesting against asian sweatshops...
I kindly asked if i could see the label of the guys demonstration t-shirt.
it said MADE IN CHINA.
Some how they never bothered to check their own shit.
they went with the cheap option. (like most of us)
Its getting harder and harder to get stuff that you know wasn't made using exploitation. Government deregulation is doing more than just throwing the U.S. into a recession.
And yes, going over the border to make products because the workers will do it for less is at least exploiting the situation, and likely is exploiting the workers.
That's the only issue that sours me on Jamie, but its not like he is the only one either. Its a problem I have with anybody in charge of a large corporation.
I've heard the shit Newton is talking about too, but generally just assume that all of the guys who own companies, from Andrew Reynolds to Rick Howard are probably ambitious egotists. Thats how you get to that point successfully. You don't make a profit by being nice!
I could give a shit if he made Chris Cole wear a bandana in his pocket. That's Chris Cole's issue to be pissed about or accept. Not mine.
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i guess i haven't been checking this thread, and i'm kind of glad about that. why is everyone coming at jt for the same shit they came at him for before? i thought we were past this?
because they didn't have the balls to say anything a year ago when it was already addressed.
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Its getting harder and harder to get stuff that you know wasn't made using exploitation. Government deregulation is doing more than just throwing the U.S. into a recession.
And yes, going over the border to make products because the workers will do it for less is at least exploiting the situation, and likely is exploiting the workers.
That's the only issue that sours me on Jamie, but its not like he is the only one either. Its a problem I have with anybody in charge of a large corporation.
I've heard the shit Newton is talking about too, but generally just assume that all of the guys who own companies, from Andrew Reynolds to Rick Howard are probably ambitious egotists. Thats how you get to that point successfully. You don't make a profit by being nice!
I could give a shit if he made Chris Cole wear a bandana in his pocket. That's Chris Cole's issue to be pissed about or accept. Not mine.
How about instead of broadly calling it deregulation, we point to a few specific causes:
-China's most favored nation status
-Nafta
-WTO
-millions in subsidies given to corporations who choose to ship their job's overseas.
A lot of these ideas originated in, or at least we're reinforced in Clinton's presidency.
And you always have jackasses like Thomas Friedman making a case for globalization, and most of the ignorant public not even noticing or caring to notice what's going on.
American's have a hard time looking past the first intial question and answer. Like "who attacked us on 9/11" "terrorists!" the end, lets go to war, and never think about the causes of terrorism or whether or what our leaders are doing is motivated by. "What's happening to all our manufacturing plants?" "They're all going overseas!" "DAMN YOU EVIL CORPORATIONS!! "Hmm, I'm so mad, I need a new sweater, let's head oer to wal-mart"
They don't look past that, to see that their dollar votes constantly re-enforce the corporation's moves. If the public would ban together and refuse to purchase goods made in China or wherever, then they would have some serious leverage, having the most wealthy market of any country.
Even if our government had any serious desire to influence change in China's human rights abuses, we really can't say much at this point, considering they own a lot of the country, and we owe the cost of the Iraq war to them, as we're paying for said war with money borrowed from them. Which will be a debt in the trillions. One day you think you're gonna wake up and everyone is gonna get it, they're gonna look past what the TV people tell them, and look at what these policies do to their own lives.
But they'll never look past the first question and answer. So we talk about lapel pins.
The people that run this country count on this.
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that. so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful. if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today. when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.
for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US.
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year. i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
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I can't believe that was already a year ago. That thread had some great gay porn related jokes in it.
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Blackbox posts are the new Zeitgeist and Loose Change threads.
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that. so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful. if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today. when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.
for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US.
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year. i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
You're a bit back and forth on this one. Yes, corporations are required to make as much money as possible, HMO's are a prime example of this. But you seem to believe that this has always been the case and always will be the case. Corporations have not always existed and theres no reason to believe that they must continue to exist in the way we know them now. I would prefer we dismantle the whole system, as I think they're no justification for there to be pieces of paper that gain personhood status so that a small group of people can fuck over the majority of the planet and make a gigantic amount of money.
But I doubt they will ever be done away with. What can be done is to constantly monitor and regulate the fuck out of them. Push for reforms that reward companies who stay inside the US and push for stiff penalties for those that leave.
Also, recently i've grown warm to the idea of a cap on profits made to individuals within a corporation, especially for corporations that operate in these distasteful ways.
You seem to be saying "aw shucks you idiots, this is just the natural way things have to be" which is bullshit. The way corporations came to be is anything but natural, and it is very reasonable to think that we can change the way they must operate if they want to continue to do business in the US.
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Blackbox posts are the new Zeitgeist and Loose Change threads.
stfu n gtfo k thx
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that. so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful. if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today. when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.
for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US.
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year. i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
but would you pay twice as much for a t shirt that's made in america? seems to me most people wouldn't sacrifice their livelyhood to help support blue collar america.
and on the sweatshop tip, yeah the working conditions are shit and it's a shitty existence, but what happens when the factory's go away? surely things would get even worst for these people. you can't really expect that 3rd world country's will support a standard of living that is comparible in anyway to that of the richest country's in the world. of course the work conditions will be shit in a 3rd world contry, just like the sanitation, education, civil order and everything else that we take for granted would be shit compared to what we're used to. and no amount of hyppie idealism will change that fact.
pragmatism aside, i still doubt that most people would pay more for better working conditions for blue collar laborers at home or overseas and it's unfair to act like Jamie has some obligation to put his companies money and employees livelyhood where our mouth is, when we aren't even willing to do it.
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that. so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful. if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today. when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.
for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US.
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year. i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
You're a bit back and forth on this one. Yes, corporations are required to make as much money as possible, HMO's are a prime example of this. But you seem to believe that this has always been the case and always will be the case. Corporations have not always existed and theres no reason to believe that they must continue to exist in the way we know them now. I would prefer we dismantle the whole system, as I think they're no justification for there to be pieces of paper that gain personhood status so that a small group of people can fuck over the majority of the planet and make a gigantic amount of money.
But I doubt they will ever be done away with. What can be done is to constantly monitor and regulate the fuck out of them. Push for reforms that reward companies who stay inside the US and push for stiff penalties for those that leave.
Also, recently i've grown warm to the idea of a cap on profits made to individuals within a corporation, especially for corporations that operate in these distasteful ways.
You seem to be saying "aw shucks you idiots, this is just the natural way things have to be" which is bullshit. The way corporations came to be is anything but natural, and it is very reasonable to think that we can change the way they must operate if they want to continue to do business in the US.
what do you do for a living Mr. Dagger?
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yea, i'd like to know as well.
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I know what we have going on in Mexico and it's far from exploitation. We offer good wages, insurance and stable work in a clean environment. All of which are hard to find in Mexico.
The reality is that we have to make our boards elsewhere to give shops the prices they not only want but need to survive.
It also helps us, as dude mentioned above, to pay our riders, employees and to afford the marketing to support our brands and the industry. You can sit from the computer in the school library and dream of ideal scenarios for business you might run one day, but making it work with over 75 employees and 50 team riders is another story.
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Deregulation as some sort of "good thing" and the implication that "what is good for general motors is good for America" had its roots way before Clinton. Its most recent incarnation was brought back by my screennamesake with his industry deregulation and anti organized labor stance. By the time Clinton got into office the trend was going that way, and people for some reason again thought that deregulating was the only way to go. Clinton, being a politician first and foremost, did what was popular.
Of course, the public is incredibly stupid and has no sense of history.
For the record though, Bush started tax breaks for companies that ship jobs over the border, and other deregulation such as relaxing USURY laws for credit card companies (can you say 'credit crunch'), and making it so now a single corporation can own as many t.v. or radio stations as they want.
Every time we have moved this way it has had the same result: economic disaster. Whether it was the recession at the end of Reagan's presidency, the great depression, the depression of 1893, or the recent sub prime mortgage meltdown. Its always because of the government's refusal to step in and take power away from corporations. They won't regulate themselves.
Also, even in the "good times" before the meltdowns inevitably take place, its only the richest who benefit. See, the company owner, who we'll just call TJ gets to rake in extra profits while the labor he exploits in, say, Mexico, makes less money. Who's gonna make him give up that extra money? The non-union foreigners? Fuck them! They are lucky TJ hasn't moved production over to China like other companies. They better shut the fuck up and enjoy earning less than the American minimum wage, or they'll lose it.
TJ gets rich, workers stay poor.
Of course, TJ isn't out of the norm. His practices are what most do to stay iin business. Does it make TJ a bad person for doing this? Yes, slavery was the norm at one point too, but it was "just how we keep the price of cotton down, do you know how much it would cost without slavery?" It is how it is, but a good person wouldn't sit idly and let that be.
Dollar diplomacy is a good concept, but only works to a certain extent. I always think about chattle slavery in the U.S. as the example. When the market gets dominated by immoral labor practices, eventually it becomes too difficult to steer away from it. In the 1830's in America, if you wanted cotton, a slave picked it. You had no other choice. Which is why the market can not, on its own, fix moral issues, and you need an outside force coming in to fix it.
And Brawler, this stuff we talk about aren't conspiracy theories or nut job ideas. Its very well based in history and economics, and the "things just are how they are" people just want to marginalize the idea of considering morality when running a business.
It shouldn't be.
oh and Mr. Thomas, I am a teacher, and am currently raising an army of revolutionaries.
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making it work with over 75 employees and 50 team riders is another story.
maybe you should fire a few riders?
start with yourself. you've been shit for years.
then lopez obv.
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no american employer wants to pay an american(factory worker, food service, maintenance, things we consider shit jobs)) a living wage, its as simple as that. so they take their production to china to cut costs, hire immigrants to do shit work for shit pay, so the rest of the company and its employees can stay afloat and be successful. if they produced everything in america, employed americans, and paid each employee a living wage, blackbox(nor any other company) would even exist today. when you guys get older and take a business class or 2, you'll understand why this is the way of the world.
for the record, i don't approve of overseas production and/or immigrant exploitation in the least.
i wish more american companies would hire americans and manufacture their own goods here, instead of giving the work to someone else and/or taking their production outside the US.
people should realize that companies have a responsibility to their investors and stock holders to perform well and turn a profit each and every year. i don't know of any shareholders or investors that want a small return on their investment, do you?
You're a bit back and forth on this one. Yes, corporations are required to make as much money as possible, HMO's are a prime example of this. But you seem to believe that this has always been the case and always will be the case. Corporations have not always existed and theres no reason to believe that they must continue to exist in the way we know them now. I would prefer we dismantle the whole system, as I think they're no justification for there to be pieces of paper that gain personhood status so that a small group of people can fuck over the majority of the planet and make a gigantic amount of money.
But I doubt they will ever be done away with. What can be done is to constantly monitor and regulate the fuck out of them. Push for reforms that reward companies who stay inside the US and push for stiff penalties for those that leave.
Also, recently i've grown warm to the idea of a cap on profits made to individuals within a corporation, especially for corporations that operate in these distasteful ways.
You seem to be saying "aw shucks you idiots, this is just the natural way things have to be" which is bullshit. The way corporations came to be is anything but natural, and it is very reasonable to think that we can change the way they must operate if they want to continue to do business in the US.
i'm back and forth because i try to keep an open mind and not take sides.
when you pick one side over another, you're saying one side is right and the other side is wrong, when in life i know theres no such thing as absolute right or an absolute wrong.
i see your point of view but in the end, people only care about the bottom line, money....and this has always been the case.
trying to convince a bunch of businessmen to make less money, is like me trying to convince a jew to marry a nazi...its just not happening.
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Mr. Gipper, I am aware of your status as a teacher.
I'm too stupid to digest most of what you just said, but none-the-less, I thank you for the economic lesson.
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I'm a 23 year old computer technician at our county school system in rural western NC, I like long walks on the beach and going to new restraunts.
I'm turning our kids into libertarian-socialists that can fend for themselves when The Gipper's government programs inevitably fail them.
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making it work with over 75 employees and 50 team riders is another story.
maybe you should fire a few riders?
start with yourself. you've been shit for years.
then lopez obv.
thanks dude!
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Gipper is usually on point but i'm pretty sure you over simplified the causes of economic down turns which are generally complex and often involve nebulous causes like pschology, global events like wars, natural disasters...
for one thing over regulation can be just a stiffling to an economy as under regulated. the colapse of western communism seems like it had everything to do with a lack of the influence of adam smith's invisible hand.
also if we over regulate to a point that our goods and services are unable to compete in a global economy for the sake of idealism then imports become increasingly greater than exports, followed by devaluation of the dollar, and then economic downward spiral, etc...
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Can the Slap Illuminati please get Ron Paul elected? Kind of like the Pete Eldridge petitions..
You know, work your voodoo.
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i'm back and forth because i try to keep an open mind and not take sides.
when you pick one side over another, you're saying one side is right and the other side is wrong, when in life i know theres no such thing as absolute right or an absolute wrong.
i see your point of view but in the end, people only care about the bottom line, money....and this has always been the case.
trying to convince a bunch of businessmen to make less money, is like me trying to convince a jew to marry a nazi...its just not happening.
OHNOYOUDINNIUT!
You must be a Thomas Friedman reader! Or some other NYT shit. Saying "well, I have an open mind and this is just really complicated" is just a lame cop-out. If you know there are no absolutes, isn't that..an absolute? I'm pretty sure facts do exist, and wether or not you agree or deny that, either way you're supporting that they do, get it? But lets not get sidetracked.
I wasn't talking about trying to convince buisnessmen of anything, I was saying the public COULD get off their asses and vote with their dollars, and force their congress to pass legislation to force the kind of regulations I'm talking about. This would FORCE change in many of the practices we are talking about today. It's really not all that far-fetched, look at the reforms that have been brought upon since the industrial revolution. Don't take it for granted that the factories in America today are much nicer places to be then they were even a hundred years ago.
Societal changes come about when they are forced upon the people who control the country. Look at the civil rights movement. (we're you on the fence about this one? Open minded about slavery?) while racism still exists and much more is still to be done, the improvements that have been made in the rights of blacks took place because people demanded it.
First of all, theres not "2 sides" on any issue. There are infinite sides and possibilities to resolve any issue, it's weird how many people buy into this idea that the republican's and democrats make up for all the ideas possible. Most of the time they just echo each other in policies and are basically right-centrists in most of their policies. They use social issues to effectively separate themselves in the eyes of the American public, but it's bullshit.
"Look I stay fair and balanced, I listen to Hannity AND Colmes!"
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I like ice cream.
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All these little grimy first time posting fuckers coming out of the woodwork need to sit down, shut the fuck up, watch this:
And go do a fucking 5050 for the motherfucking CHIEF!
like you weren't one of them? and yes, I'm aware of you signing up three years ago
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Gipper already covered a bunch of my points... I just say we need to bring back import tariffs, since it's the only way the US can actually be competitive with any industrial market. Make the imported shit more expensive, and as mentioned, stop dealing with countries with ongoing human rights violations. Just scale back everything to pre-Reagan economic policies and we're off to a good start. Faster, consider that the US was once a solid global competitor when it came to technology, textiles, autos and just about anything else a person would want to purchase... back in the days when Wal Mart was "Buy American!"
Deregulation, the dropping of tariffs, the idea that the US can sustain itself as a "service economy," and Thomas Friedman's bullshit "free market" speak... when in fact we have no such thing as a free market. There's not one big global market, all markets are controlled by the governments operating them by varying degrees... and when our market is dependent on the communists in China, the class systems in India, and the union busting in Mexico, then we're actually just sustaining an indentured servant or slave labor market. On the plus side, at least a US company can actually own a business in Mexico, versus the Chinese situation where you're basically "partnered" in.
I can't help but wonder... if one or two companies can afford to press wood here in the US, why can't more?
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for one thing over regulation can be just a stiffling to an economy as under regulated. the colapse of western communism seems like it had everything to do with a lack of the influence of adam smith's invisible hand.
also if we over regulate to a point that our goods and services are unable to compete in a global economy for the sake of idealism then imports become increasingly greater than exports, followed by devaluation of the dollar, and then economic downward spiral, etc...
Yes too much regulation is bad, but it' is very clear that this isn't our problem right now. Call it regulation, call it what you want, anyone that looks at this issue objectively can see many clear examples of things that should be changed if we care about jobs and living in America. Most notably, are our: disasterious trade policies, billions in corporate subsidies, no-bid contracts at home and in iraq, and on and on. I think that there is a clear ground we could reach where you could do what you wanted, but if you want to run your business in America you must do it the right way, or at least not in a earth-destroying way. I don't think that would be anything close to the kind of fascist/communist systems you are describing. If anything, we have basically a government controlled by the corporations right now, which doesn't seem all that better than the inverse.
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I'm a 23 year old computer technician at our county school system in rural western NC, I like long walks on the beach and going to new restraunts.
I'm turning our kids into libertarian-socialists that can fend for themselves when The Gipper's government programs inevitably fail them.
Give an example of once in U.S. history that government regulation of big business has caused a single problem in terms of our stability.
Keep in mind that 14th amendment protection of corporations is based on precedent, not legislation, and in fact is considered one of the most anti-regulatory decisions in U.S. history.
Also, please note that regulation of big business succeeded in the progressive era, to end the great depression, and numerous times throughout U.S. history, so your implication that government regulation is always destined to fail is not grounded in fact at all, just hairball "if-then" hypotheses.
And my revolutionaries won't be failed by the government, they will be the government, when it goes back to of,by, and for the people instead of large companies.
Also, in many ways I am oversimplifying it. Certainly deregulation alone doesn't cause economic strife, but the fact remains that every major economic crisis in U.S. history has come immediately after extended periods of deregulation.
The harding, coolidge, and hoover administrations did it before the great depression.
Harrison, Cleveland, and Arthur didn't want to mess with the new growth in industry before 1893. This also led to the conditions we see in the book "The Jungle."
Right now we have Bush, Clinton, Bush II, and of course, Ronnie Reagan doing the same thing.
Sleazy, what are you referring to in terms of "western communism," specifically? Is the U.S.S.R and eastern bloc considered western vs. China and Viet Nam as eastern? Or are we talking about Cuba and Venezuela, which have yet to collapse? Or is it another?
If it is the U.S.S.R. thing I would argue overmilitarization of the budget made the seems bust more than anything.
To add to Grim's point, another issue would be to enforce U.S. labor laws on any merchandise bought in the U.S. If you have slave labor making your shit, why is it illegal to exploit somebody here, but if you go over there, its ok?
And Chief, Grim brings up a good point, if other companies can afford to do it, why can't one of the largest, most successful, and most popular brands figure out how to do it? Not trying to be too haterish, I'll support you guys full throttle if you can get the exploitative labor out of the way.
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for one thing over regulation can be just a stiffling to an economy as under regulated. the colapse of western communism seems like it had everything to do with a lack of the influence of adam smith's invisible hand.
also if we over regulate to a point that our goods and services are unable to compete in a global economy for the sake of idealism then imports become increasingly greater than exports, followed by devaluation of the dollar, and then economic downward spiral, etc...
Yes too much regulation is bad, but it' is very clear that this isn't our problem right now. Call it regulation, call it what you want, anyone that looks at this issue objectively can see many clear examples of things that should be changed if we care about jobs and living in America. Most notably, are our: disasterious trade policies, billions in corporate subsidies, no-bid contracts at home and in iraq, and on and on. I think that there is a clear ground we could reach where you could do what you wanted, but if you want to run your business in America you must do it the right way, or at least not in a earth-destroying way. I don't think that would be anything close to the kind of fascist/communist systems you are describing. If anything, we have basically a government controlled by the corporations right now, which doesn't seem all that better than the inverse.
Corporations need to be put in check but I was just making the point that level of regulation is a balance and the right balance has not yet been discovered. Macroeconomic theory was born out of the great depression and we just haven't had enough imperical trial and error to know what that correct balance is over the last 30 years.
Gipper already covered a bunch of my points... I just say we need to bring back import tariffs, since it's the only way the US can actually be competitive with any industrial market. Make the imported shit more expensive, and as mentioned, stop dealing with countries with ongoing human rights violations. Just scale back everything to pre-Reagan economic policies and we're off to a good start. Faster, consider that the US was once a solid global competitor when it came to technology, textiles, autos and just about anything else a person would want to purchase... back in the days when Wal Mart was "Buy American!"
Deregulation, the dropping of tariffs, the idea that the US can sustain itself as a "service economy," and Thomas Friedman's bullshit "free market" speak... when in fact we have no such thing as a free market. There's not one big global market, all markets are controlled by the governments operating them by varying degrees... and when our market is dependent on the communists in China, the class systems in India, and the union busting in Mexico, then we're actually just sustaining an indentured servant or slave labor market. On the plus side, at least a US company can actually own a business in Mexico, versus the Chinese situation where you're basically "partnered" in.
I can't help but wonder... if one or two companies can afford to press wood here in the US, why can't more?
But how do you compete globally? My company sells seismic systems and the biggest markets right now are in China. Our competitors are willing to use material that are manufactured overseas. So my question is how to we compete? Seriously, I'd like to know how that works.
I'd love it if things were that simple, my job is headed overseas one day too. I currently have to compete globally with programmers who charge a 10th of what I do. So I'm not stoked about it. But it is what it is.
Also, how do you increase your circular flow when your products are not competitive globally? and if you can't increase your circular flow then how to do sustain a quality of life for an exponentially increasing population on a constant\decreasing pool of wealth?
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Sleazy, what are you referring to in terms of "western communism," specifically? Is the U.S.S.R and eastern bloc considered western vs. China and Viet Nam as eastern? Or are we talking about Cuba and Venezuela, which have yet to collapse? Or is it another?
If it is the U.S.S.R. thing I would argue overmilitarization of the budget made the seems bust more than anything.
semantics? i thought you were above that but ok then
The culture of the most of the Soviet Union (Russia and other former Soviet republics from Eastern European region) and its Eastern European allies is pronouncedly Western[citation needed], as defined below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture
but really, you know what i meant or have some eastern(asian) communist regimes collapsed?
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I like long walks on the beach and going to new restraunts.
you know, by dining at those "new restaurants", you're exploiting the immigrants that work there.
you should stop eating out and only go to places that hire americans.
stop dining at places that hire immigrants, stop wearing clothes made in china/indonesia, and stop wearing shoes made in korea.
in doing so, you're supporting everything you dislike so much.
They are lucky TJ hasn't moved production over to China like other companies. They better shut the fuck up and enjoy earning less than the American minimum wage, or they'll lose it.
TJ gets rich, workers stay poor.
Of course, TJ isn't out of the norm. His practices are what most do to stay iin business. Does it make TJ a bad person for doing this? Yes, slavery was the norm at one point too, but it was "just how we keep the price of cotton down, do you know how much it would cost without slavery?" It is how it is, but a good person wouldn't sit idly and let that be.
what makes you think he keeps all the money? most business owners get paid less than their employees(tax purposes) and re-invest the money they make back into their company.
you sound like that kid who thinks a shop makes $50 every time they sell a board for $50. its called a profit margin, with that profit margin, he pays all his bills and all his employees, then lastly himself.
i'm sure he could change and not sit idly by, but then his company would go out of business and he'd have to fire 125+ employees for the sake of his morality. i'm sure that would go over well with all his employees and their families.
I can't help but wonder... if one or two companies can afford to press wood here in the US, why can't more?
its not a matter of afford, its a matter of volume.
a small company doesn't move enough volume to justify taking their manufacturing to china.
pressing 1,000,000 pcs in china is cost effective(i.e. girl), pressing 1000 pcs in china is not cost effective(i.e. any small company).
from what i've noticed, bigger companies spend more on advertising and less on quality, while smaller companies tend to spend more on quality and less on advertising. this is why i support smaller companies that put out quality products as opposed to popular companies that put out subpar products.
which board companies(big guys) out there still make their board here?
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But who is it that is competing Sleazy? I understand your point and it makes sense, businesses need to compete to succeed, but if it is selling everything abroad, buying and manufacturing everything abroad, and even paying taxes abroad, what use is the life of the corporation if it doesn't support its workers?
You said your job is going overseas too, who's isn't? And eventually, why won't these people abroad realize they can make and run their own shit without some suit in the U.S. barking orders from NYC? At which point, the whole company goes out, and the bottom falls out on the economy. Why wouldn't this happen?
Honestly, I wasn't sure what you were talking about with the term "western communism" given that we so often call European communist eastern, or "the eastern bloc" that hearing the term "western communism" threw me. But, can we seperate government regulation (what we have/should have here) from government take-over of private enterprise (communism)? They are very different.
Also, Grim, sleazy, nick, are we agreed that in our current circumstances we need more regulation of industry, no matter what our stand is in a generic situation?
And Faster!, stop. I already talked about why Dagger probably would have trouble finding products that don't exploit foreign labor. Of course immigrant labor is totally different and can be regulated.
The fact that you think company owners of large corporations make less than the average worker is just ignorant. Here is an article about the average pay ratio of ceo to workers in 2006, http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_20060627
it has just gotten worse since then. Maybe the manager at a skateshop is getting the same or less, but by the time its a big company its so askew its not even funny.
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too much text ... too much text ... too much text. could someone sum up these posts in 2 sentence for me?
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too much text ... too much text ... too much text. could someone sum up these posts in 2 sentence for me?
9/11 was an inside job
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This topic proves how smart I am not.
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its thread like these that really keep slap the tight knit community that we are.
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Most people think outsourcing is often exploitative, and that currently there is not enough regulation over large industry. Others disagree.
2 sentences. bam!
You get it too now slaptastic? You are doing a good job of proving that you don't have to get what is going on to think you are smarter than everybody.
rw- it doesn't mean smart or dumb, its just politics. some people nerd out on it like skating.
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Chill the fuck out you Glenn Beck wannabe, I don't feel like writing an essay on economics right now, thats all..
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really good thread, good tread, I understand the debate going on, but I don't have enough knowledge of global economics to add anything relevant.
I am the buyer for a Canadian based priting/manufacturing company, and it has effected us, we've had to source overseas, and its sad.
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But who is it that is competing Sleazy? I understand your point and it makes sense, businesses need to compete to succeed, but if it is selling everything abroad, buying and manufacturing everything abroad, and even paying taxes abroad, what use is the life of the corporation if it doesn't support its workers?
You said your job is going overseas too, who's isn't? And eventually, why won't these people abroad realize they can make and run their own shit without some suit in the U.S. barking orders from NYC? At which point, the whole company goes out, and the bottom falls out on the economy. Why wouldn't this happen?
well because our penises are so big, why else?
I'm not sure other than the fact that it's innovation that drives capitalism. Why do US company's make so much more money in skateboarding if the boards are made in china? why can't they just start their own companies and sell skateboards? i'd guess it's because we invinted this shit and skateboarding is a as much a cultural product as it is a piece of hardware and we are innovative as far as the cultural component is concerned.
But, can we seperate government regulation (what we have/should have here) from government take-over of private enterprise (communism)? They are very different.
actually i don't think they are different at all. the way i see it communism and capitalism are diametrically opposed extremes of government regulation.
pure capitalism = no regulation
pure communism = 100% regulation
but neither one will be able to maintain a healthy economy in isolation as we've seen over the last centry with increased regulation here and decreased in eastern communist nations. so again my point is that it's about the right balance.
Also, Grim, sleazy, nick, are we agreed that in our current circumstances we need more regulation of industry, no matter what our stand is in a generic situation?
i think we are ready for some corporate reform but labor practices and outsourcing isn't where i'd put the regulation. really they need to put CEOs\upper managers in check for the whole sell out trend that's been so popular over the last few years (lean out company, re-brand and sell) and i think the influence of corporate interest needs to be removed from government (corporate campaign donations and lobbyist).
but as far as economic regulation, it's dangerous and i still believe in free markets. i mean, it's what made us the richest nation in the world.
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Chill the fuck out you Glenn Beck wannabe, I don't feel like writing an essay on economics right now, thats all..
Don't you call me Glenn Beck. I am pretty much the opposite of him politically, but its ok classic "I'm somebody famous but I won't tell you who" guy. keep knowing you are better than everybody.
Sleazy, I can see your point on every argument but this one:
but as far as economic regulation, it's dangerous and i still believe in free markets. i mean, it's what made us the richest nation in the world.
The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
But in terms of defining government ownership of private enterprise as an extreme of government regulation, I'll accept it, and I see what you mean in terms of using it as an example of how it slows down industry as it grows more extreme, but I still think that there is a jump between heavy government external regulation, and outright government ownership
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I like long walks on the beach and going to new restraunts.
you know, by dining at those "new restaurants", you're exploiting the immigrants that work there.
you should stop eating out and only go to places that hire americans.
stop dining at places that hire immigrants, stop wearing clothes made in china/indonesia, and stop wearing shoes made in korea.
in doing so, you're supporting everything you dislike so much.
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They are lucky TJ hasn't moved production over to China like other companies. They better shut the fuck up and enjoy earning less than the American minimum wage, or they'll lose it.
TJ gets rich, workers stay poor.
Of course, TJ isn't out of the norm. His practices are what most do to stay iin business. Does it make TJ a bad person for doing this? Yes, slavery was the norm at one point too, but it was "just how we keep the price of cotton down, do you know how much it would cost without slavery?" It is how it is, but a good person wouldn't sit idly and let that be.
what makes you think he keeps all the money? most business owners get paid less than their employees(tax purposes) and re-invest the money they make back into their company.
you sound like that kid who thinks a shop makes $50 every time they sell a board for $50. its called a profit margin, with that profit margin, he pays all his bills and all his employees, then lastly himself.
i'm sure he could change and not sit idly by, but then his company would go out of business and he'd have to fire 125+ employees for the sake of his morality. i'm sure that would go over well with all his employees and their families.
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I can't help but wonder... if one or two companies can afford to press wood here in the US, why can't more?
its not a matter of afford, its a matter of volume.
a small company doesn't move enough volume to justify taking their manufacturing to china.
pressing 1,000,000 pcs in china is cost effective(i.e. girl), pressing 1000 pcs in china is not cost effective(i.e. any small company).
from what i've noticed, bigger companies spend more on advertising and less on quality, while smaller companies tend to spend more on quality and less on advertising. this is why i support smaller companies that put out quality products as opposed to popular companies that put out subpar products.
which board companies(big guys) out there still make their board here?
well, Zoo and dna for starters. depends on what you call big...listen and chapman do their stuff here...pretty sure blue collar does too if they're still around????
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The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
I think the market would sort it self out, and there would be greater opportunities for all in such a situation.
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Mr. Jamie "ISUCK!" Thomas, please direct your attention this way.
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So Jamie got a premiere/release date for Ride The Sky yet?
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The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
I think the market would sort it self out, and there would be greater opportunities for all in such a situation.
It has never worked that way in history.
I'd like to think that by sitting around smoking pot and jerking off all day that I could be successful, it just ain't the way it is.
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So Jamie got a premiere/release date for Ride The Sky yet?
I'll be disappointed if there's no Denver stop.
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Chill the fuck out you Glenn Beck wannabe, I don't feel like writing an essay on economics right now, thats all..
Sorry I've sort of being glossing over your posts. Ill try to read your policy recommendations with full concentration from now on. And thats what my initial point was two pages back, namedropping myself will only lead to 190 pages of either dickriding or senseless hate posts
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The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
I think the market would sort it self out, and there would be greater opportunities for all in such a situation.
I'd like to think that by sitting around smoking pot and jerking off all day that I could be successful, it just ain't the way it is.
economicaly sucessfull, no. sucsessfully awsome? a big yes.
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Chill the fuck out you Glenn Beck wannabe, I don't feel like writing an essay on economics right now, thats all..
Sorry I've sort of being glossing over your posts. Ill try to read your policy recommendations with full concentration from now on. And thats what my initial point was two pages back, namedropping myself will only lead to 190 pages of either dickriding or senseless hate posts
nothing wrong with some good old-fashion male bonding...
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equalizing incomes is a goal of communism not capitalism. equalizing incomes would be the worst thing we'd do. then you take incentive away which takes away innovation and economic growth.
if you can't get any richer inventing a cure for cancer than you would driving a bus, then why spend all the years sacrificing in school. it's why pure communism is best suited for poor agrarian cultures and not industrialized nations.
but really my biggest point in all this is that economics are kind of boring for most people and the attack on JTs labor practices will lead to these kinds of debates and it's completely an unfair critisim.
just call him a faggot if that's what you want to do, no need to bring economics into it.
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Chill the fuck out you Glenn Beck wannabe, I don't feel like writing an essay on economics right now, thats all..
Sorry I've sort of being glossing over your posts. Ill try to read your policy recommendations with full concentration from now on. And thats what my initial point was two pages back, namedropping myself will only lead to 190 pages of either dickriding or senseless hate posts
190 pages? Jamie only got 120. You think highly of yourself. Saying "I'm somebody important, but I won't tell you who" is far cheesier than just name dropping. Either say who you are, or don't say a damn thing at all. My guess is you are nobody anyway.
But if you are just "glossing over [my] posts," then don't fucking worry about what I say.
Sleazy- equal incomes is not good, reducing the gap between the rich and the poor is very important though. When a large country has a large underclass and a small overclass it leads to instability.
As far as Jamie goes, he's just one player in an extremely large, fucked up game. My point is that it is easier to go with it, but ideally you could try to do things right in a moral sense.
Also, I could make more money working a very low level job in a large corporation. Money isn't the only incentive. Some people enjoy the incentive of being able to feel like you did something good for somebody else.
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which board companies(big guys) out there still make their board here?
well, Zoo and dna for starters. depends on what you call big...listen and chapman do their stuff here...pretty sure blue collar does too if they're still around????
Deluxe dosen't?
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The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
I think the market would sort it self out, and there would be greater opportunities for all in such a situation.
I'd like to think that by sitting around smoking pot and jerking off all day that I could be successful, it just ain't the way it is.
Yes, but to be fair free-markets have never really existed. I definitely buy into a lot of the ideas of Austrian economics, but lets be clear, what we have in America is more of a corporate controlled government, that is to say, neither a heavily regulated economy or a government-free economy. We actually have the corporations RUNNING the government, lobbyists actually write our fucking laws.
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The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
I think the market would sort it self out, and there would be greater opportunities for all in such a situation.
I'd like to think that by sitting around smoking pot and jerking off all day that I could be successful, it just ain't the way it is.
Yes, but to be fair free-markets have never really existed. I definitely buy into a lot of the ideas of Austrian economics, but lets be clear, what we have in America is more of a corporate controlled government, that is to say, neither a heavily regulated economy or a government-free economy. We actually have the corporations RUNNING the government, lobbyists actually write our fucking laws.
Corporations control the government when the government does not control corporations. There is the private sector and the public sector, the less in control the public sector is, the more in control the private sector is. The less regulated industry is, the further we get on the path we are already on of corporate control. Somebody has to be in charge, the lust for power will never go away.
Also, I know this is going wayyyyyy back, but who/how did Jayme Fortune get chased off?
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The closer we get to a true free market, the more inequal income becomes, and economic problems come from this.
I think the market would sort it self out, and there would be greater opportunities for all in such a situation.
Has the US free market ever encountered a crisis that sorted itself out without the aid of some sort of government subsidy or other bail out? If it were up to our market alone, we wouldn't have domestic air travel, AmTrak, or most most megafarms, among other things.
The free market is why we had VHS instead of Beta (which was better in every way). The free market is often very stupid... and when it fucks up, it goes right back to the government to fix (Enron's energy mess in Cali, the current mortgage/credit crisis, etc).
Also, Grim, sleazy, nick, are we agreed that in our current circumstances we need more regulation of industry, no matter what our stand is in a generic situation?
Hell yeah I agree... Reagan, Clinton and Bush era deregulation and ill-though globalization initiatives got us into this mess in the first place.
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I really wish Clinton had taken Ross Perot's take on NAFTA... his signing it was a bigger fuckup than getting his intern to slobber on his junk. Now we have Bush's CAFTA, which will run Louisiana sugar cane farmers out of business, and there are too many other __FTA equivalents out there not only sucking us dry, but also fucking up the middle classes of the countries that host those agreements. NAFTA was supposed to be a huge boom for the Mexican middle class, but all of the money goes straight to the top, so profits look great, but the money doesn't get to the middle class, who eventually turn into lower mid to just lower economically.
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i dont really know at this point what everyone is talking about, all i can come up with is that some people in this thread sure complain a lot about problems in our nation and really don't take any realistic action to their complaints, except talking on a message board
where is pierce to come in and say "ur all fags ya", ive been waiting for that. this is sk8 tlak
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In my defense, I stand in front of Chinese tanks every chance I get.
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Also, Grim, sleazy, nick, are we agreed that in our current circumstances we need more regulation of industry, no matter what our
Yeah, if we're not going to do away with corporations, then it's essential.
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I really wish Clinton had taken Ross Perot's take on NAFTA... his signing it was a bigger fuckup than getting his intern to slobber on his junk. Now we have Bush's CAFTA, which will run Louisiana sugar cane farmers out of business, and there are too many other __FTA equivalents out there not only sucking us dry, but also fucking up the middle classes of the countries that host those agreements. NAFTA was supposed to be a huge boom for the Mexican middle class, but all of the money goes straight to the top, so profits look great, but the money doesn't get to the middle class, who eventually turn into lower mid to just lower economically.
Yeah, trade agreements like NAFTA fuck everyone but the few at top.
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i dont really know at this point what everyone is talking about, all i can come up with is that some people in this thread sure complain a lot about problems in our nation and really don't take any realistic action to their complaints, except talking on a message board
Yeah! Wait no.
If you have specific ideas on "actions" that I haven't listed yet, then please, list them.
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i dont really know at this point what everyone is talking about, all i can come up with is that some people in this thread sure complain a lot about problems in our nation and really don't take any realistic action to their complaints, except talking on a message board
where is pierce to come in and say "ur all fags ya", ive been waiting for that. this is sk8 tlak
All you know is what people post on the message boards. How do you know that the people posting aren't taking any realistic action? First of all, complaining IS an action, which is why it is the first freedom that is guaranteed in the bill of rights, second of all, what should we do?
should we just stay in line, and not talk about the problems of the world and just talk about gest-friendly topics?
Grow the fuck up.
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Man I'm glad I have a Passport.
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Funny how the Gipper accuses me of being elitist
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which board companies(big guys) out there still make their board here?
well, Zoo and dna for starters. depends on what you call big...listen and chapman do their stuff here...pretty sure blue collar does too if they're still around????
Deluxe dosen't?
DNA is made in Mexico mostly, and some in Montreal at Woodchuck. DLX is having shit made in Mexico now too! yeah i got a bakers in today, and all the stickers say made in Mexico! Whoa nothings good anymore? Who fucking cares, I was all about "Don't support China Wood" I wouldn't carry anything made in China or mexico for the first 3.5 years we were open. Unfortunately we now have to carry boards made in Mexico and China, cause if a kid doesn't see it, he'll go to Zumiez, or CCS to get what he wants.
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i dont really know at this point what everyone is talking about, all i can come up with is that some people in this thread sure complain a lot about problems in our nation and really don't take any realistic action to their complaints, except talking on a message board
where is pierce to come in and say "ur all fags ya", ive been waiting for that. this is sk8 tlak
should we just stay in line, and not talk about the problems of the world and just talk about gest-friendly topics?
Grow the fuck up.
i was directing that towards nickdagger, but whatev gets your undies in a bunch. but since you said it; complaining IS an action, but it really isn't doing much to help anything. it could, had you been complaining elsewhere, not on a messageboard.
this is sk8 tlak, you can just talk about it in whatever so i dont have to open threads i dont understand
it should be sk8 tlak in here
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Would complaining be considered a verb?
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It started off as a direct questioning of Jamie Thomas' business practices. That's a pretty fucking direct action.
Funny how the Gipper accuses me of being elitist
I am elitest and so are you. Atleast I don't pretend to be some pro who can't divulge his real name. Did you know I am actually a superhero? I can't divulge my real name though, too much dickriding and such...
I think "complaining" is called like a gerund or something. Its where you add "ing" to a verb and it magically becomes a noun. Or is a gerund the one where you do something to a verb to make it into an adjective. Like "the masturbating monkey" or something..
But yeah its a noun, unless you mean, "I hate that complaining poster named the gipper," which is an adjective. One of the two is a gerund.
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which board companies(big guys) out there still make their board here?
well, Zoo and dna for starters. depends on what you call big...listen and chapman do their stuff here...pretty sure blue collar does too if they're still around????
Deluxe dosen't?
or in your case, TSX. are they still a big competitor for you guys?
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Fuck Jamie Thomas.
Yeah. That's right. I heard he broke his legs doing the Leap of Faith. I heard he uses really feminine shampoo when washing his long blonde hair. I heard he once did a naked benihanna straight into his wives vagina. In fact I head that was the way her fathered his children. I hear he personally shoots mexicans caught fleeing his stronghold board pressing fortress. I also heard he was only giving Keegan a board if he started wearing american flag spandex pants and sleeveless t-shirts.
Fuck Jamie Thomas.
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Funny how the Gipper accuses me of being elitist
I think "complaining" is called like a gerund or something. Its where you add "ing" to a verb and it magically becomes a noun. Or is a gerund the one where you do something to a verb to make it into an adjective. Like "the masturbating monkey" or something..
But yeah its a noun, unless you mean, "I hate that complaining poster named the gipper," which is an adjective. One of the two is a gerund.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rJiLcNQdye4
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where the fuck has bod boyle been since like 91? they even had a song about him >:(
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which board companies(big guys) out there still make their board here?
well, Zoo and dna for starters. depends on what you call big...listen and chapman do their stuff here...pretty sure blue collar does too if they're still around????
Deluxe dosen't?
or in your case, TSX. are they still a big competitor for you guys?
Honestly Biggums, I'm through looking at it as competitors, TSX is owned by 2 fuckin 60 year old hippies who have never skated a day in there life, Zumiez well we all know who they're owned by, and CCS who's owned by Delias and Hollister. Kids don't give a fuck anymore, they don't know what skater owned and operated means. TSX, Zumiez, and CCS havent done shit for this area, when we get swallowed up that's when they'll understand how whack skateing has become. I still don't have a Nike account, Dwindle account, or a Black Box account...
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also, I was pretty pissed that tsx was firing dudes who skated and replacing them with hip chicks. shutting down a skatepark that gave alot of locals exposure which otherwise wouldn't have been brought their way, and all the while opening new stores all over the region...not to suck too much dick but its pretty admirable on your part to have morals like that..
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I like how cute Corey Duffel looks flying threw the air in his paint on paints while on an American made Foundation. We should all just buy Corey's boards from now on.
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also, I was pretty pissed that tsx was firing dudes who skated and replacing them with hip chicks. shutting down a skatepark that gave alot of locals exposure which otherwise wouldn't have been brought their way, and all the while opening new stores all over the region...not to suck too much dick but its pretty admirable on your part to have morals like that..
No dick sucking taken, we do what we do. Thank you for coming through when we have shit going on, I know you live pretty damn far away.
EDIT: Next time intorduce yourself please, we have a couple demos in the works for the summer, DLX, Domestics, Habitat, Coda, and 5Boro, hopefully you'll be able to make 1 or 2.
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Wow, pretty impressive political debate going on here. I'm going over to some more ignorants topics about skaters who rap or who has the best push. Cheers ladies and gents.
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Seriously, the way everyones goin at it you guys could win the election over Obama and Hillary
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I like how cute Corey Duffel looks flying threw the air in his paint on paints while on an American made Foundation. We should all just buy Corey's boards from now on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE
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Seriously, the way everyones goin at it you guys could win the election over Obama and Hillary
What 'bout good ole' Senator McCain? ;D
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Seriously, the way everyones goin at it you guys could win the election over Obama and Hillary
What 'bout good ole' Senator McCain? ;D
Doesnt stand a chance against a Pal
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I like how cute Corey Duffel looks flying threw the air in his paint on paints while on an American made Foundation. We should all just buy Corey's boards from now on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE
HAHAHAHAHA...
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Seriously, the way everyones goin at it you guys could win the election over Obama and Hillary
What 'bout good ole' Senator McCain? ;D
I thought he wouldn't even stand a chance vs. Ron Paul when I heard mr. bush endorsed him.
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I really don't get how anyone can vote for Mccain. He's promised us continuous war and to somehow worsen the already crumbling economy. Gas prices more than doubled in the 7 years since Bush took office, with Mccain you can expect 6-7 dollar gas prices before his term is up. You can quote the dagger on that one.
And what I really don't get, is, how is the country gonna function when Mccain has to stop running it every fifteen minutes to use the bathroom?
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Ideally the presidential race would be Ron Paul vs. Ralph Nader.
Is the Gipper for McCain?
Jamie who you voting for?
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Ideally the presidential race would be Ron Paul vs. Ralph Nader.
Is the Gipper for McCain?
Jamie who you voting for?
I'm voting for Grimace. No offense, I'm just into purple and Barney isn't running in this election.
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Wow, pretty impressive political debate going on here. I'm going over to some more ignorants topics about skaters who rap or who has the best push. Cheers ladies and gents.
Not that I love all the political shit but I was actually thinking this place has dumbed down over the past year or so. It used to be all about NAFTA, immigration, military ads in TWS, China and free trade, etc. I remember in the infamous 110 page thread grilling Jaimie on his Mexican wood press. He kinda dodged fair trade but said the men and women in his plant get equal pay or equal work which is cool. From what I've read the mos def not the NAFTA standard.
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I really don't get how anyone can vote for Mccain. He's promised us continuous war and to somehow worsen the already crumbling economy. Gas prices more than doubled in the 7 years since Bush took office, with Mccain you can expect 6-7 dollar gas prices before his term is up. You can quote the dagger on that one.
And what I really don't get, is, how is the country gonna function when Mccain has to stop running it every fifteen minutes to use the bathroom?
Fuck gas prices will be 6-7 by the end of the summer, they broke 3.80 today here, so negged!
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saw it for 4.05 in cupertino today.
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I really don't get how anyone can vote for Mccain. He's promised us continuous war and to somehow worsen the already crumbling economy. Gas prices more than doubled in the 7 years since Bush took office, with Mccain you can expect 6-7 dollar gas prices before his term is up. You can quote the dagger on that one.
And what I really don't get, is, how is the country gonna function when Mccain has to stop running it every fifteen minutes to use the bathroom?
And if any of you think McCain's a good moderate candidate take a look at his record in Arizona. When it comes to using federal money to fund public education AZ ranks consistently 48 or 49 out of 50. To me that speaks volumes about where someone's priorities lie. As far as being forward thinking goes there's few things that paralell public education in my mind.
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I really don't get how anyone can vote for Mccain. He's promised us continuous war and to somehow worsen the already crumbling economy. Gas prices more than doubled in the 7 years since Bush took office, with Mccain you can expect 6-7 dollar gas prices before his term is up. You can quote the dagger on that one.
And what I really don't get, is, how is the country gonna function when Mccain has to stop running it every fifteen minutes to use the bathroom?
If you think I am for McCain, read that ^
Not exactly my personal best interest.
filled up for 4.15 today in Oakland.
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im scared of the mccaniacs
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i'm calling a crash in oil prices in the not too distant future.
i think a portion of the inflationary buble is due to parinoa over supplies and processing when actually were not even processing at 100% now and supplies are actually higher now than they were a year ago but the oil prices have risen steadily. but unfortunately, we will most likely go into recession before the correction happens due to run away inflation. it's already impacted retail and manufacturing and i'm sure will propogate through the rest of the economy before too long.
the increase in prices is of course also tied to the decreasing value of the american dollar and that part won't roll back, plus price of gas was pretty much fixed for a decade or so and there was an inflationary increase that was long over due but just like any other economic bubble that attracts investors with out solid reasoning to justify the increases in the market (tech bubble, housing bubble), things have to deflate and correct themselves eventually.
6-8 a gallon by the end of the summer seems crazy to me. if it does happen, better start stock piling now because vegan may get his anarchy.
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Hopefully my office will let me telecommute more often than not.
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But isn't a big part in the increase in oil prices related to the risk factor of getting the oil, since we are either enemies with or at war in most of the major Opec nations? I mean, even non-middle eastern countries like Venezuela hate us. Nobody wants to give us oil cheap, especially since we keep proving that we'll pay a lot for it. We went to war in Iraq thinking gas would go down to 50 cents a gallon, and the opposite happened (a Bush policy backfired? I know, crazy). When we pay for oil now, we pay for the overcharging crony contracts in Iraq. Oil continues making record profits, because they continue to raise prices and we continue to buy it without a second thought. Nobody questions what they do because we have two ex-oil executives in the presidency. I don't see how prices will drop without a dramatic change in course on our part politically.
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But isn't a big part in the increase in oil prices related to the risk factor of getting the oil, since we are either enemies with or at war in most of the major Opec nations? I mean, even non-middle eastern countries like Venezuela hate us. Nobody wants to give us oil cheap, especially since we keep proving that we'll pay a lot for it. We went to war in Iraq thinking gas would go down to 50 cents a gallon, and the opposite happened (a Bush policy backfired? I know, crazy). When we pay for oil now, we pay for the overcharging crony contracts in Iraq. Oil continues making record profits, because they continue to raise prices and we continue to buy it without a second thought. Nobody questions what they do because we have two ex-oil executives in the presidency. I don't see how prices will drop without a dramatic change in course on our part politically.
Too bad the Iraqis arent able to keep their own natural resources..
Oil use is going to have to be phased out eventually, politically nothing will happen. Thats precisely why the situation is what it is. Why continue to rely on the government for such a change?
The market will create the shift from insane oil usage to whatever else is next.
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Ideally the presidential race would be Ron Paul vs. Ralph Nader.
Is the Gipper for McCain?
Jamie who you voting for?
I've got a hunch who you are now. posted here before much??
according to our democratic senators, gas prices going up are due to economists speculating on markets in the FUTURE
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I'm Mike Carroll.
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Prove it.
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All these little grimy first time posting fuckers coming out of the woodwork need to sit down, shut the fuck up, watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_mg0exFEh0
And go do a fucking 5050 for the motherfucking CHIEF!
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All these little grimy first time posting fuckers coming out of the woodwork need to sit down, shut the fuck up, watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=m_mg0exFEh0
And go do a fucking 5050 for the motherfucking CHIEF!
I haven't seen that part in so long. Definitely a favorite.
Hey Jamie why did you have that ninja mask on doing the 5.0?
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my senior quote in my schools yearbook is how you like me now gold teeth when i smile try to take me out the ghetto but im still buck wild
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my senior quote in my schools yearbook is how you like me now gold teeth when i smile try to take me out the ghetto but im still buck wild
Mine was: "Two words: Spandex, Trap Door" In reference to my friends mom who wears tight ass spandex pants 24/7 and the trap door I'd be plowing through them with my dick on my way to her ass.
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thats 3 words
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shit.
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I'm Mike Carroll.
I'm batman.
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Just to fully beat a dead horse until it can't be beat anymore:
I was talking to my friend about this and he said that you probably do pay the workers fairly in Mexico. According to him, the reason most big skateboard deck companies move to Mexico is to skirt environmental laws in the U.S. He said that the big ingredient is the resin. Apparently, there are some resins that you can't really use in U.S. factories due primarily to health and environmental problems caused by the fumes and waste. But Mexico has more lax environmental laws, so its legal and cheap to do. What is up with this explanation Jamie?
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whoa, boards have resin in them? i've been throwing them away all these years
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I like how cute Corey Duffel looks flying threw the air in his paint on paints while on an American made Foundation. We should all just buy Corey's boards from now on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE
HAHAHAHAHA...
Actually I would love to get one of those square nose shovel boards he rides but Tum doesn't sell.
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whoa, boards have resin in them? i've been throwing them away all these years
haha, only a seasoned stoner would know why thats funny.
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Just to fully beat a dead horse until it can't be beat anymore:
I was talking to my friend about this and he said that you probably do pay the workers fairly in Mexico. According to him, the reason most big skateboard deck companies move to Mexico is to skirt environmental laws in the U.S. He said that the big ingredient is the resin. Apparently, there are some resins that you can't really use in U.S. factories due primarily to health and environmental problems caused by the fumes and waste. But Mexico has more lax environmental laws, so its legal and cheap to do. What is up with this explanation Jamie?
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First I've heard of this, we use the same glue as when our boards were made in the US.
(it's the same US vendor that most woodshops use.)
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Well my friend told me that the resin used in boards is made up all organic ingredients and mixed together by little nymphs in the forrest, and he also told me the secret ingredient is a sprinkle of fairy dust. And my friend told me, so it must be true. Ha, explain that Jamie...
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Just to fully beat a dead horse until it can't be beat anymore:
I was talking to my friend about this and he said that you probably do pay the workers fairly in Mexico. According to him, the reason most big skateboard deck companies move to Mexico is to skirt environmental laws in the U.S. He said that the big ingredient is the resin. Apparently, there are some resins that you can't really use in U.S. factories due primarily to health and environmental problems caused by the fumes and waste. But Mexico has more lax environmental laws, so its legal and cheap to do. What is up with this explanation Jamie?
GIPPER, the Resin is used in Chinese wood shops, one of the dudes that works here used to press boards for like 2 years, the dude knows alot about a skateboard how and where it manufactured and any lil nook and craney on anything and eveything about a skateboard and how its manufactured. He's taught me alot. we call it the "knowledge of nothing" cause it aint gonna get ya nothing, but its good to know.
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i'm liking the hell concave....not sure if everyone else will though....
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whoa, boards have resin in them? i've been throwing them away all these years
haha, only a seasoned stoner would know why thats funny.
I just got back from smoking resin in my room, thank god pay day is tomorrow.
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where the fuck has bod boyle been since like 91? they even had a song about him >:(
In my head at work all day everyday:
Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Dah Nuh
Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Dah Nuh
Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Dah Nuh
Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Dah Nuh
Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Hugh Bod Boyle Dah Nuh
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whoa, boards have resin in them? i've been throwing them away all these years
as they say, if its black put it back, if its grey throw it away.
i'm liking the hell concave....not sure if everyone else will though....
hhhhhhhhell concave!
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Just to fully beat a dead horse until it can't be beat anymore:
I was talking to my friend about this and he said that you probably do pay the workers fairly in Mexico. According to him, the reason most big skateboard deck companies move to Mexico is to skirt environmental laws in the U.S. He said that the big ingredient is the resin. Apparently, there are some resins that you can't really use in U.S. factories due primarily to health and environmental problems caused by the fumes and waste. But Mexico has more lax environmental laws, so its legal and cheap to do. What is up with this explanation Jamie?
So, just to clarify for me, my friend was right that some companies use a resin that is toxic to the workers and pollutes the environment to the point where it is illegal in the U.S., but it happens in China? But Mexico isn't like that? So then black box is all good on that point?
The second, weaker wave of attacks comes in, and Thomas, already battle tested from the first, much larger wave of questioning fends off attacks and comes out unscathed!
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gipper,
you're applying what we consider law, globally.
you can't expect every country on the planet to adhere to our laws no matter how "right" we think they are.
rules and regulations are set by each individual country as they see fit, not how we see fit.
i.e. drinking and driving is a serious crime in some countries and punishable by death.
if thats the case, then someone could say, anyone driving while intoxicated in our country should also be put to death because thats the way it is where they live....you see how that doesn't work.
i'm not exact sure why you're grilling JT but you're reaching. why not question the guys at girl, dwindle, or the dozen or so other companies that have been making their stuff in mexico/china long before zero.
its like you got a personal vendetta against him, yet giving the rest of the industry a free pass.
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i have a feeling that the girl\choc\lakia camp would have a hard time dealing with this same kind of scrutiny but you don't see anyone putting this out there on those brands
isn't it OK to just to say you don't like black box because you don't like the kids that like black box\the videos\the team\ect...? i just don't get the need people have to make it a personal attack on Jamie and the companys he runs.
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I don't really pipe in on this subject much but what is there to hate on about Black Box? I mean really, list the problems because I don't get it.
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Need we mention Girl/Chocolate and their China made boards / Red Board promotion conflict of interest again?
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My problem with black box is that the "I am ... I am Zero ... I am" guy was only on flow and never got his ender bangers in the video.
In related news: Remember that 60/40 ad where the dude jumped off the roof? BOBCAT!!!! What was the fuckin deal with those guys? Where did that footage come from? Tell me more?
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i have a feeling that the girl\choc\lakia camp would have a hard time dealing with this same kind of scrutiny but you don't see anyone putting this out there on those brands
most industry heads and pros would never post here publically. theres tons of them who hang here but most of them hide behind their anonmity to avoid any chance of possible ridicule....hooray for bitches the internet!
at least people like JT, sanch, cliff, JF and a couple of other heads have the balls to come here and say who they are and post their thoughts even if it means they'll get hated on. whereas the rest of these heads hide behind their computers, talk mad shit on everything and everyone, yet too pussy to reveal themselves, yet too pussy to get some of what they dish out. i know, i know, its because your famous and shit and don't want your inbox flooded with hook me up PM's. it makes sense i guess, but what i want to know is, what makes you think everyone here would instantly jock you? need an extra seat on the tour bus for your ego do you? need a spotlight to display your crown? a private parking spot for your high horse maybe?
one thing i've learned during my time on slap is, if you're an asshole, you're an asshole.
no one here gives two shits who you are or who you know, no one.
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gipper,
you're applying what we consider law, globally.
you can't expect every country on the planet to adhere to our laws no matter how "right" we think they are.
rules and regulations are set by each individual country as they see fit, not how we see fit.
i.e. drinking and driving is a serious crime in some countries and punishable by death.
if thats the case, then someone could say, anyone driving while intoxicated in our country should also be put to death because thats the way it is where they live....you see how that doesn't work.
Beneath all the smoke you just blew, is the simple question posed by the Gipper: "do they use that substance in Mexican which is banned for use here because of it's toxicity or watevs?"-I think Jamie answered it with a "no."
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gipper,
you're applying what we consider law, globally.
you can't expect every country on the planet to adhere to our laws no matter how "right" we think they are.
rules and regulations are set by each individual country as they see fit, not how we see fit.
i.e. drinking and driving is a serious crime in some countries and punishable by death.
if thats the case, then someone could say, anyone driving while intoxicated in our country should also be put to death because thats the way it is where they live....you see how that doesn't work.
Beneath all the smoke you just blew, is the simple question posed by the Gipper: "do they use that substance in Mexican which is banned for use here because of it's toxicity or watevs?"-I think Jamie answered it with a "no."
its nothing compared all the cocks you blew.
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dammnnnnnnn pwn3d.
But seriously your argument is regular.
If it's unethical/wrong for people to be forced, because of economic conditions, to work in environments where shitty chemicals get splashed around them all day in America, then it's unethical everywhere.
I doubt this is how it is at the black box plant, and I think Jamie is a stand up guy, and this could be one example of mexicans actually benefiting from our outsourcing, instead of moving from "homeless" to "poverty-stricken-slave" which is often the case, instead of whatever cakewalk Thomas Freidman thinks that most of the people that get our outsourced jobs get to take part in.
I really feel sorry for Mexicans, they have a notoriously ineffective and corrupt government, and are now becoming infamous for having a corrupt police force that regularly kidnaps tourists, and all kinds of sketchy shit.
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If it's unethical/wrong for people to be forced, because of economic conditions, to work in environments where shitty chemicals get splashed around them all day in America, then it's unethical everywhere.
that post is exactly why so many foreigners hate americans.
we shouldn't force our laws/rules/views onto others.
maybe if america owned the planet your shit would make sense but seeing as each country has to the right to make their own laws as they see fit, you need to suck a dick and choke.
i really didn't mind your posts but the post up there makes me fuckin hate you.
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gipper,
you're applying what we consider law, globally.
you can't expect every country on the planet to adhere to our laws no matter how "right" we think they are.
rules and regulations are set by each individual country as they see fit, not how we see fit.
i.e. drinking and driving is a serious crime in some countries and punishable by death.
if thats the case, then someone could say, anyone driving while intoxicated in our country should also be put to death because thats the way it is where they live....you see how that doesn't work.
i'm not exact sure why you're grilling JT but you're reaching. why not question the guys at girl, dwindle, or the dozen or so other companies that have been making their stuff in mexico/china long before zero.
its like you got a personal vendetta against him, yet giving the rest of the industry a free pass.
So according to your theory, a company that opens bank accounts on the caymans or switzerland to avoid U.S. taxation aren't doing anything wrong. If a man goes to Thailand to legally fuck a 9 year old girl, we shouldn't question it. Its fucked up to do that, whether you are in it to fuck little girls, make skateboards or softdrinks. Whether you are Jamie Thomas, Mike Carroll or anybody. I ask Jamie because he is here. After he answered it became clear that the issue was not a case with him, but with other manufacturers in the skateboard industry. We know who makes china wood, now we have another reason not to support it, and nobody from the industry is coming to defend the decision to make decks in China. They know this topic is up, and have the chance to.
Its not an issue of a law, its an issue of doing the right thing.
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If it's unethical/wrong for people to be forced, because of economic conditions, to work in environments where shitty chemicals get splashed around them all day in America, then it's unethical everywhere.
that post is exactly why so many foreigners hate americans.
we shouldn't force our laws/rules/views onto others.
maybe if america owned the planet your shit would make sense but seeing as each country has to the right to make their own laws as they see fit, you need to suck a dick and choke.
Are you high? I'm for the rights of individual countries to make their own laws and rules, and am against America's imperialism/interventionism/colonialism.
But that's not what we're talking about.
What we're talking about is whether or not it's cool to do ship jobs to another country where the laws don't prevent you from doing things like splashing chemicals all over the bodies of poor workers all day.
If you don't see any moral problem with that, or with Gipper's example, of going to another country to take advantage of sweet child prostitution, then argue that.
Because what you're doing here is just spouting off that you don't like Americans, which has nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever.
A good starting point would be to discuss whether or not you believe in the idea of "natural rights," or not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_right
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gipper,
you're applying what we consider law, globally.
you can't expect every country on the planet to adhere to our laws no matter how "right" we think they are.
rules and regulations are set by each individual country as they see fit, not how we see fit.
i.e. drinking and driving is a serious crime in some countries and punishable by death.
if thats the case, then someone could say, anyone driving while intoxicated in our country should also be put to death because thats the way it is where they live....you see how that doesn't work.
i'm not exact sure why you're grilling JT but you're reaching. why not question the guys at girl, dwindle, or the dozen or so other companies that have been making their stuff in mexico/china long before zero.
its like you got a personal vendetta against him, yet giving the rest of the industry a free pass.
Its not an issue of a law, its an issue of doing the right thing.
no, theres nothing wrong with opening foreign bank accounts to manipulate the US tax system.
the gov't sets the rules and we have to play their game by their rules.
so as long as we follow the rules of their game, i see nothing wrong with it.
yes, of course theres totally something wrong with having sex with 9 year olds(quite a extreme example) by our standards, by our upbringing, but if theres no law in thailand against it, then theres not much to do or say about it no matter how fucked up we think it is....its not our place.
i agree that its an issue of doing the right thing but the fact remains what we think is right has nothing to do with whats considered right in another country, thats really my point. you gotta see things from their perspective no matter how skewed you think their perception is. they don't eat cows in india, they are considered sacred. now, could you imagine if india was a super power and told americans it was wrong to eat beef and that something needs to be done? if that shit went down, i could say with 100% certainty that we'd have biggest BBQ ever and tell them to go to hell! and we'd have every right to do so because we don't live in india.
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If it's unethical/wrong for people to be forced, because of economic conditions, to work in environments where shitty chemicals get splashed around them all day in America, then it's unethical everywhere.
that post is exactly why so many foreigners hate americans.
we shouldn't force our laws/rules/views onto others.
maybe if america owned the planet your shit would make sense but seeing as each country has to the right to make their own laws as they see fit, you need to suck a dick and choke.
Are you high? I'm for the rights of individual countries to make their own laws and rules, and am against America's imperialism/interventionism/colonialism.
But that's not what we're talking about.
What we're talking about is whether or not it's cool to do ship jobs to another country where the laws don't prevent you from doing things like splashing chemicals all over the bodies of poor workers all day.
If you don't see any moral problem with that, or with Gipper's example, of going to another country to take advantage of sweet child prostitution, then argue that.
Because what you're doing here is just spouting off that you don't like Americans, which has nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever.
A good starting point would be to discuss whether or not you believe in the idea of "natural rights," or not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_right
really? your posts so far would contradict your first sentence.
i don't hate americans, i hate stupid people.
its just unfortunate that a lot of them are jaded americans that think they know whats best for everyone on the planet.
i totally see a problem with working in some factory with dangerous chemicals splashing around all over the place, but i understand its just not my place to judge another countries laws/ethics based on our laws/ethics. thats the point your missing and its the only point i was trying to make.
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really? your posts so far would contradict your first sentence.
i don't hate americans, i hate stupid people.
its just unfortunate that a lot of them are jaded americans that think they know whats best for everyone on the planet.
i totally see a problem with working in some factory with dangerous chemicals splashing around all over the place, but i understand its just not my place to judge another countries laws/ethics based on our laws/ethics. thats the point your missing and its the only point i was trying to make.
No, they can make their own laws, for example in very sparsely populated countries, they might not need as strict of gun-laws as somewhere like Japan. Different countries have different needs in this respect and that should be respected.
However what shouldn't be respected is when human rights get shitted on.
You're drowning in some kind of gross moral-relativism, which seems to say that you have no right to judge when a country allows or practices: slavery, child prostitution, jailing political protesters and on and on.
And ironically you say it's not your right to say anything about another countries awful practices, when in fact, if you can't, who will? In China attempt to speak out against the government and see what happens. So I guess that leaves by your standard, no one who can criticize these things?
Sorry but things like this, are always wrong, regardless of country, time, boarder and location.
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gipper,
you're applying what we consider law, globally.
you can't expect every country on the planet to adhere to our laws no matter how "right" we think they are.
rules and regulations are set by each individual country as they see fit, not how we see fit.
i.e. drinking and driving is a serious crime in some countries and punishable by death.
if thats the case, then someone could say, anyone driving while intoxicated in our country should also be put to death because thats the way it is where they live....you see how that doesn't work.
i'm not exact sure why you're grilling JT but you're reaching. why not question the guys at girl, dwindle, or the dozen or so other companies that have been making their stuff in mexico/china long before zero.
its like you got a personal vendetta against him, yet giving the rest of the industry a free pass.
Its not an issue of a law, its an issue of doing the right thing.
no, theres nothing wrong with opening foreign bank accounts to manipulate the US tax system.
the gov't sets the rules and we have to play their game by their rules.
so as long as we follow the rules of their game, i see nothing wrong with it.
yes, of course theres totally something wrong with having sex with 9 year olds(quite a extreme example) by our standards, by our upbringing, but if theres no law in thailand against it, then theres not much to do or say about it no matter how fucked up we think it is....its not our place.
i agree that its an issue of doing the right thing but the fact remains what we think is right has nothing to do with whats considered right in another country, thats really my point. you gotta see things from their perspective no matter how skewed you think their perception is. they don't eat cows in india, they are considered sacred. now, could you imagine if india was a super power and told americans it was wrong to eat beef and that something needs to be done? if that shit went down, i could say with 100% certainty that we'd have biggest BBQ ever and tell them to go to hell! and we'd have every right to do so because we don't live in india.
I'm not talking about businesses from other countries, I'm talking about companies who are based in the United States, breaking United States laws in other countries, which, in some cases, such as tax evasion and child prostitution IS a crime still.
But it still doesn't cover what dagger was saying about natural rights. So what if something is legal? There are many things that are illegal that I feel are not immoral, and there are also a lot of things that are legal, that I find immoral.
The best example from history is Slavery in the United States. At one point it was legal to beat, torture, rape, murder, and split the families of black people up for the purpose of slave labor. At the point it was legal was it the right thing to do? No, obviously it wasn't. Today, if people use slave labor or make people work in unsafe conditions, no matter what country it is in, it is wrong, and if a company from the U.S. is perpetuating that system I have every right, and some might say duty, to call them out on that.
Also, given that I am from America my perspective is kind of skewed on this, but I was under the impression that a good deal of the world hated us because we are a tiny part of the world who are exploiting and abusing a vast majority of it for our own selfish gain. The idea of exposing poor workers to potentially deadly chemicals just so we can have our toys (skateboards are great, but they are just that, toys) a little cheaper probably pisses people off a lot.
I have also heard that a lot of people around the world hate America because we never think about what is going on outside of our own borders. A good example would be the fact that every American tourist in France thinks that they should speak English and then gets pissed when they don't. Its like your opinion, where you don't care about whether or not people are getting exploited outside of America and get angry if people question a person who is doing it, just because he is good at skateboarding.
But I'm from the U.S.- I'd be curious what some of our non-American friends think.
P.S. the revolution that recently occurred in Venezuela was the result of the hatred of American and other western nations exploiting South America. Also, its the reason the U.S. government hates Venezuela- they stopped taking our shit.
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So what we make boards in China?
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Permission to drink Chief, or does Christ not approve?
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stoops, the rest of you guys are gnarly.
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i'm back and forth because i try to keep an open mind and not take sides.
when you pick one side over another, you're saying one side is right and the other side is wrong, when in life i know theres no such thing as absolute right or an absolute wrong.
i see your point of view but in the end, people only care about the bottom line, money....and this has always been the case.
trying to convince a bunch of businessmen to make less money, is like me trying to convince a jew to marry a nazi...its just not happening.
OHNOYOUDINNIUT!
You must be a Thomas Friedman reader! Or some other NYT shit. Saying "well, I have an open mind and this is just really complicated" is just a lame cop-out. If you know there are no absolutes, isn't that..an absolute? I'm pretty sure facts do exist, and wether or not you agree or deny that, either way you're supporting that they do, get it? But lets not get sidetracked.
I wasn't talking about trying to convince buisnessmen of anything, I was saying the public COULD get off their asses and vote with their dollars, and force their congress to pass legislation to force the kind of regulations I'm talking about. This would FORCE change in many of the practices we are talking about today. It's really not all that far-fetched, look at the reforms that have been brought upon since the industrial revolution. Don't take it for granted that the factories in America today are much nicer places to be then they were even a hundred years ago.
Societal changes come about when they are forced upon the people who control the country. Look at the civil rights movement. (we're you on the fence about this one? Open minded about slavery?) while racism still exists and much more is still to be done, the improvements that have been made in the rights of blacks took place because people demanded it.
First of all, theres not "2 sides" on any issue. There are infinite sides and possibilities to resolve any issue, it's weird how many people buy into this idea that the republican's and democrats make up for all the ideas possible. Most of the time they just echo each other in policies and are basically right-centrists in most of their policies. They use social issues to effectively separate themselves in the eyes of the American public, but it's bullshit.
"Look I stay fair and balanced, I listen to Hannity AND Colmes!"
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nickdagger, thanks for the enlightening logical reasoning tutorial. let's not get sidetracked, but i'm trying to resolve the issue of how many sides there are to every issue (2? 3? infinity?). is it true or false that there are infinite sides and possibilities to resolve any issue? get it?
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Based on some things said a bit earlier: Member countries of the WTO could agree to human rights standards that must be met before they can engage in commerce with anyone else. The US could be very influential in breaking up some child and slave labor economies. We could instigate and negotiate that at the WTO, but it'll never happen because we lack a spine.
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Grim, exactly! Have trade agreements, but make them agree to certain human rights issues before we give them our huge, incredibly profitable contracts. The U.S. has more than enough pull as an economic powerhouse to make other nations do certain things, like not dumping poisons into the environment, or treating workers with a certain minimum level of respect if they want to make products for us. They don't do that, we don't let U.S. businesses have that sort of free trade with them. Its not enforcing our culture on them either, if they want to have shady business practices, we just won't buy their goods. But all this has happened during a period where presidents have essentially turned their backs on assuring human rights in trade. But yep, we're either spineless or just classic arrogant Americans who don't give a shit what happens in other countries as long as our Dunks are cheap.
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no....i want my dunks to be expensive and have clever colourways....
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nickdagger, thanks for the enlightening logical reasoning tutorial. let's not get sidetracked, but i'm trying to resolve the issue of how many sides there are to every issue (2? 3? infinity?). is it true or false that there are infinite sides and possibilities to resolve any issue? get it?
Well, for instance, when I'm having intercourse with your mother, there are presumably infinite positions we can use. Or at the least, we've yet to stop finding new ones.
But on a serious note, faster! was just taking a lame "well it's just really complicated, and all you americans are just trying to push your ways on us!" When a few of us suggested the effects of globalization have benefited only a few at the top, while destroying the middle class here and converting previously respectable jobs here to slave-labor jobs around the world. So faster!'s assertion was about the most ironic thing I can think of, when that's exactly what we're suggesting, keep American jobs here, or at least if we sent them elsewhere have standards and adequate working conditions. If he want's american's to stay out of the world's business, or cares in the slightest about human rights, then he should be with us.
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Based on some things said a bit earlier: Member countries of the WTO could agree to human rights standards that must be met before they can engage in commerce with anyone else. The US could be very influential in breaking up some child and slave labor economies. We could instigate and negotiate that at the WTO, but it'll never happen because we lack a spine.
Grim, you'll be happy about this. There are 3 bills on the floor right now, in both house and senate. Here is the one in committee hearings now in the Senate. Both Hillary and Obama are cosigners:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00367:@@@D&summ2=m&
The republican administration over the last 8 years of course encouraged outsourcing, anything to make the rich richer preying off the middle and poor class.. The minute the democrats took control of both house and senate, they began introducing bills concerning sweatshops, importing and exporting, and the loss of jobs in the US. Keep the hope!
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damn. just found this. rad thread. i'm backing the gipper.
i do have to agree with the dagger: fuck tom friedman.
dude backed the war in the run-up, now he acts like it
was the dumbest dice roll in american history.
oh yeah. it was.
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Mr. Thomas, are you concerned that rising oil prices can affect the vialabitly of your future business in drive up burger restaurants?
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hell yeah!
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you could sell all the old grease to biodiesel driving hippes at a dollar a gallon, omfg, chief you could be making so much money.
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...or I could figure out a way to make that stuff work in my Hummer, then I'd be chillin.
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...or I could figure out a way to make that stuff work in my Hummer, then I'd be chillin.
I'm pretty sure theres a way you can convert Hummers' to run off of grease, a friend of mine is huge into that shit, and he said Hummers are the easiest vehicle to convert.
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Didn't Big Black get his Pinto converted Green? Does that mean it won't explode in a head on collision?
In the Phillipines we'd call it a lechon party.
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P.S. the revolution that recently occurred in Venezuela was the result of the hatred of American and other western nations exploiting South America. Also, its the reason the U.S. government hates Venezuela- they stopped taking our shit.
i work for a company that a few months back transfered me to their venezuelan branch to do a very specific job, lemme tell ya, that "revolution" had nothing to do with americans, that's the spin that the corrupt venezuelan government puts on it, every one of my venezuelan coworkers hate their "president", every election has been rigged, all of em want to leave the country, this is an oil exporter country where most of the population lives in poverty even though the barrell is going for 120$ more or less and the "president" says their poverty is Bush' fault (i kid you not that's what he says, i've seen the guy throwing that bullshit on national tv)
i seriously think our government hates Venezuela's current dictator, and Venezuela's dictator uses our government as scapegoats for all the bullshit moves he pulls. most of what i know about this country is not only my opinion but that of my venezuelan co-workers
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trial of jamie thomas
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P.S. the revolution that recently occurred in Venezuela was the result of the hatred of American and other western nations exploiting South America. Also, its the reason the U.S. government hates Venezuela- they stopped taking our shit.
i work for a company that a few months back transfered me to their venezuelan branch to do a very specific job, lemme tell ya, that "revolution" had nothing to do with americans, that's the spin that the corrupt venezuelan government puts on it, every one of my venezuelan coworkers hate their "president", every election has been rigged, all of em want to leave the country, this is an oil exporter country where most of the population lives in poverty even though the barrell is going for 120$ more or less and the "president" says their poverty is Bush' fault (i kid you not that's what he says, i've seen the guy throwing that bullshit on national tv)
i seriously think our government hates Venezuela's current dictator, and Venezuela's dictator uses our government as scapegoats for all the bullshit moves he pulls. most of what i know about this country is not only my opinion but that of my venezuelan co-workers
He may use us as a scapegoat, but nobody has gotten more poor in Venezuela since Chavez has come into power. He made it so profits from oil now are nationally paid to the people of Venezuela instead of foreign (usually U.S.) companies. The average income in Venezuela has multiplied many times. So, with the increase in oil profits, there is an increase in the people's incomes in Venezuela, so I don't know what you are talking about.
Second of all, our media exploits the idea of election irregularities, to make Venezuela seem illegitimate. when they actually have impartial international election commissioners come into make sure that the election is fair. This has been offered to the U.S. for free, but we reject it. The international standard for democracy doesn't include untracable voting machines, supreme court deciding who is president, and the halting of recounts. Basically, that is bullshit. I may not be in most countries, but in Venezuela it is the case.
The U.S. hates them because they lead the world in defying us, and they give far more aid to Latin America than we do, despite being poorer than us, so people listen to Chavez more.
The fact is, none of the revolutions that have occurred in Latin America would have happened without U.S. and other Western Exploitation. Venezuelans may not be rich, but things have gotten considerably better since the revolution. The west was fucking them hard. You know, use them for cheap labor, ignore their needs, and people will want to rebel
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P.S. the revolution that recently occurred in Venezuela was the result of the hatred of American and other western nations exploiting South America. Also, its the reason the U.S. government hates Venezuela- they stopped taking our shit.
i work for a company that a few months back transfered me to their venezuelan branch to do a very specific job, lemme tell ya, that "revolution" had nothing to do with americans, that's the spin that the corrupt venezuelan government puts on it, every one of my venezuelan coworkers hate their "president", every election has been rigged, all of em want to leave the country, this is an oil exporter country where most of the population lives in poverty even though the barrell is going for 120$ more or less and the "president" says their poverty is Bush' fault (i kid you not that's what he says, i've seen the guy throwing that bullshit on national tv)
i seriously think our government hates Venezuela's current dictator, and Venezuela's dictator uses our government as scapegoats for all the bullshit moves he pulls. most of what i know about this country is not only my opinion but that of my venezuelan co-workers
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He may use us as a scapegoat, but nobody has gotten more poor in Venezuela since Chavez has come into power. He made it so profits from oil now are nationally paid to the people of Venezuela instead of foreign (usually U.S.) companies.
this is bullshit dude, the people don't see a dime from oil profits, are you for real dude?
The average income in Venezuela has multiplied many times. So, with the increase in oil profits, there is an increase in the people's incomes in Venezuela, so I don't know what you are talking about.
bullshit, minimum wage in venezuela is 325$ a month, with that you cannot pay rent or food on a decent neighborhood in this country, you can barely live on a fabella so again your full of shit, lets not even get into what venezuelans make for the job i do, i make waaay more than they make for doing less.
the only thing that is cheap in this country is gas, because i mean come on, everything else you can imagine is highly overpriced because the local economy is shit and the government does nothing to try to fix the problem.
Second of all, our media exploits the idea of election irregularities, to make Venezuela seem illegitimate. when they actually have impartial international election commissioners come into make sure that the election is fair. This has been offered to the U.S. for free, but we reject it. The international standard for democracy doesn't include untracable voting machines, supreme court deciding who is president, and the halting of recounts. Basically, that is bullshit. I may not be in most countries, but in Venezuela it is the case.
bullshit yet again, everything is controlled by the government including the ISP used to transmit data from the voting machines to the tallying system, venezuelan public is still waiting for the total vote count from last election, so quit your bullshit dude, media outlets who speak unfavorably of this government get punished, a tv channel got closed because of this.
The U.S. hates them because they lead the world in defying us, and they give far more aid to Latin America than we do, despite being poorer than us, so people listen to Chavez more.
yes, they help other latin american countries instead of helping themselves, they bring cuban doctors instead of hiring the venezuelan ones, they import food, instead of relaxing the control the government has on food prices, yest they control the exchange rates, food prices, mayor telecom industries, obviously they oil industry is in their hands, the metallurgic industry is in their hands too.
there's a 70% unemployment rate and the government does nothing to try and solve the problem, 70% of the population lives in poverty, the government continually refuses to acknowledge the fact that the people are eating shit because this government is incapable of solving any problem they face.
The fact is, none of the revolutions that have occurred in Latin America would have happened without U.S. and other Western Exploitation. Venezuelans may not be rich, but things have gotten considerably better since the revolution. The west was fucking them hard. You know, use them for cheap labor, ignore their needs, and people will want to rebel
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dude are you for real?, there's not a single venezuelan that i have spoken to since i've been here that feels happy with chaves in power dude, sorry but i gotta call you out on it, you're speaking a lotta bullshit to backup your arguments, i'm telling you dude i'm currently living in venezuela, most of my co workers are venezuelan, NONE OF EM like chaves,
quit you're bullshit dude, i don't like a lot of the stuff that our government does, but you're just typing a load of unbelievable crap, i couldn't help but show your post to my co workers and they were amazed that there people who buy into chaves bullshit like you do outside of Venezuela.
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what has jamie done to you guys? are you just jealous that hes actually doing something with his life?
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i'm calling fake account
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Hes driving around a car that gets 10 mpg for starters? And then people bitch about high oil cost. Hmmm, imagine that. ::)
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P.S. the revolution that recently occurred in Venezuela was the result of the hatred of American and other western nations exploiting South America. Also, its the reason the U.S. government hates Venezuela- they stopped taking our shit.
i work for a company that a few months back transfered me to their venezuelan branch to do a very specific job, lemme tell ya, that "revolution" had nothing to do with americans, that's the spin that the corrupt venezuelan government puts on it, every one of my venezuelan coworkers hate their "president", every election has been rigged, all of em want to leave the country, this is an oil exporter country where most of the population lives in poverty even though the barrell is going for 120$ more or less and the "president" says their poverty is Bush' fault (i kid you not that's what he says, i've seen the guy throwing that bullshit on national tv)
i seriously think our government hates Venezuela's current dictator, and Venezuela's dictator uses our government as scapegoats for all the bullshit moves he pulls. most of what i know about this country is not only my opinion but that of my venezuelan co-workers
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He may use us as a scapegoat, but nobody has gotten more poor in Venezuela since Chavez has come into power. He made it so profits from oil now are nationally paid to the people of Venezuela instead of foreign (usually U.S.) companies.
this is bullshit dude, the people don't see a dime from oil profits, are you for real dude?
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The average income in Venezuela has multiplied many times. So, with the increase in oil profits, there is an increase in the people's incomes in Venezuela, so I don't know what you are talking about.
bullshit, minimum wage in venezuela is 325$ a month, with that you cannot pay rent or food on a decent neighborhood in this country, you can barely live on a fabella so again your full of shit, lets not even get into what venezuelans make for the job i do, i make waaay more than they make for doing less.
the only thing that is cheap in this country is gas, because i mean come on, everything else you can imagine is highly overpriced because the local economy is shit and the government does nothing to try to fix the problem.
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Second of all, our media exploits the idea of election irregularities, to make Venezuela seem illegitimate. when they actually have impartial international election commissioners come into make sure that the election is fair. This has been offered to the U.S. for free, but we reject it. The international standard for democracy doesn't include untracable voting machines, supreme court deciding who is president, and the halting of recounts. Basically, that is bullshit. I may not be in most countries, but in Venezuela it is the case.
bullshit yet again, everything is controlled by the government including the ISP used to transmit data from the voting machines to the tallying system, venezuelan public is still waiting for the total vote count from last election, so quit your bullshit dude, media outlets who speak unfavorably of this government get punished, a tv channel got closed because of this.
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The U.S. hates them because they lead the world in defying us, and they give far more aid to Latin America than we do, despite being poorer than us, so people listen to Chavez more.
yes, they help other latin american countries instead of helping themselves, they bring cuban doctors instead of hiring the venezuelan ones, they import food, instead of relaxing the control the government has on food prices, yest they control the exchange rates, food prices, mayor telecom industries, obviously they oil industry is in their hands, the metallurgic industry is in their hands too.
there's a 70% unemployment rate and the government does nothing to try and solve the problem, 70% of the population lives in poverty, the government continually refuses to acknowledge the fact that the people are eating shit because this government is incapable of solving any problem they face.
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The fact is, none of the revolutions that have occurred in Latin America would have happened without U.S. and other Western Exploitation. Venezuelans may not be rich, but things have gotten considerably better since the revolution. The west was fucking them hard. You know, use them for cheap labor, ignore their needs, and people will want to rebel
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dude are you for real?, there's not a single venezuelan that i have spoken to since i've been here that feels happy with chaves in power dude, sorry but i gotta call you out on it, you're speaking a lotta bullshit to backup your arguments, i'm telling you dude i'm currently living in venezuela, most of my co workers are venezuelan, NONE OF EM like chaves,
quit you're bullshit dude, i don't like a lot of the stuff that our government does, but you're just typing a load of unbelievable crap, i couldn't help but show your post to my co workers and they were amazed that there people who buy into chaves bullshit like you do outside of Venezuela.
Damn this shit just gave me vertigo... How did it get this deep?
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I already called fake account. But if GWB must know, some people care more than about just their immediate self.
Let me ask you about your perspective/bias. What company do you work for? Are they based out of Venezuela, or the U.S.? Chavez has made U.S. based industry a major target because U.S. industry has exploited people from Venezuela for so long. As far as you talking about what they make... that is your company paying them, and your company exploiting them. So the workers aren't really getting saved by Chavez the way he promised. On top of that, $325 a month minimum wage is low compared to rich ass America, but lets compare it to the average income of Nicaragua, a country in a similar location, also effected by western intervention. They make $430 per YEAR (citation: http://www.witnessforpeace.org/nicaragua/ataglance.html (http://www.witnessforpeace.org/nicaragua/ataglance.html).) A LOT less. Why are they so poor? Debts to western nations. Nicaragua started at that point. The same $430 a year type level, and now they receive a MINIMUM of $325 per month Do you know how much progress that is? Now look at the chart of average income on this website: http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm
(http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm). Its under the "december 2007" section. Look at Venezuela. You'll notice two things, first the average income is higher in 2005 in Venezuela than ANY OTHER NATION IN SOUTH AMERICA. By a lot. So maybe it sucks, but they are doing better than other nations in South America. Now look at the 2006 statistics, the increase in the average income increases considerably. So the idea that Chavez is making Venezuela poor and ruining the economy is ridiculous.
So if you think it is bad now, imagine how poorly we were treating them before, that the average income has shot up so much higher? The reason is that the U.S. exploits and hurts South America, and that it takes time to move out of such extreme poverty.
But anyway, I'm sure the workers in your factories fucking love you, you wonderful American, taking up your White Man's Burden!
So again, Chavez may not be great, or even good at all, but its all about where it started, which is with U.S. and European industry taking over and exploiting the hell out of them until any alternative was better. Which was my point in the first place....
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I already called fake account. But if GWB must know, some people care more than about just their immediate self.
Let me ask you about your perspective/bias. What company do you work for? Are they based out of Venezuela, or the U.S.? Chavez has made U.S. based industry a major target because U.S. industry has exploited people from Venezuela for so long. As far as you talking about what they make... that is your company paying them, and your company exploiting them. So the workers aren't really getting saved by Chavez the way he promised. On top of that, $325 a month minimum wage is low compared to rich ass America, but lets compare it to the average income of Nicaragua, a country in a similar location, also effected by western intervention. They make $430 per YEAR (citation: http://www.witnessforpeace.org/nicaragua/ataglance.html (http://www.witnessforpeace.org/nicaragua/ataglance.html).) A LOT less. Why are they so poor? Debts to western nations. Nicaragua started at that point. The same $430 a year type level, and now they receive a MINIMUM of $325 per month Do you know how much progress that is? Now look at the chart of average income on this website: http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm
(http://www.finfacts.ie/biz10/globalworldincomepercapita.htm). Its under the "december 2007" section. Look at Venezuela. You'll notice two things, first the average income is higher in 2005 in Venezuela than ANY OTHER NATION IN SOUTH AMERICA. By a lot. So maybe it sucks, but they are doing better than other nations in South America. Now look at the 2006 statistics, the increase in the average income increases considerably. So the idea that Chavez is making Venezuela poor and ruining the economy is ridiculous.
So if you think it is bad now, imagine how poorly we were treating them before, that the average income has shot up so much higher? The reason is that the U.S. exploits and hurts South America, and that it takes time to move out of such extreme poverty.
But anyway, I'm sure the workers in your factories fucking love you, you wonderful American, taking up your White Man's Burden!
So again, Chavez may not be great, or even good at all, but its all about where it started, which is with U.S. and European industry taking over and exploiting the hell out of them until any alternative was better. Which was my point in the first place....
dude you're blind there's no talking to you, i work for P&G most of my co workers feel better working at P&G than working for venezuelan owned companies, because P&G provides them with a lot of facilities (money, benefits, you name it) that other companies couldn't give a shit about, you can say whatever the hell you want but unless you've lived in this hellhole for more than a week you won't know wtf you're talking about, how can you actually think that you know better than my VENEZUELAN co workers is beyond me. i'm tired of this, you are wrong, end of story.
chaves has been in power since '98, my co workers agree that since chaves has been president, regardless of oil income, the internal economy has become progressively worse, for example back in '98 according to them you could eat a double big mac large fries large coke for 1.39$ that same combo today is going for 13$, a guy from work bought a car 4 years ago 13953$, that same car today is goin for 46511$..., before chaves came to power again according to the VENEZUELAN PEOPLE that i talk to on a daily basis the economy was bad, but never to the point that it has been since the guy has been a dictator.
ps: numbers can be padded dude but unless you live here and talk to the people that have been living here before chaves was president, all those nice little numbers mean shit.
pps: again when i came here i thought the venezuelans were going to hate me, it turns out they have a strong dislike for their president, which was suprising, after a while i definately agree chaves is another one in the long line of latin american dictators...
ppps: lol, american company exploitation, really dude this one of the biggest companies in this country, and everybody wants to work here, because they feel foreign companies treat their employees with respect in every sense, something a lot of venezuelan owned companies (besides those in the oil business) seem not to do.
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remEMBer, do you know who that girl is? where'd you get that thingy from?
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the dude in the cubicle behind me and myself really wish it had a couple of more frames.
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Anyways, take your experience with one group, and compare it to others in similar situations. I know it seems crazy, but people in Venezuela, as crappy as it may be, have it A LOT better than every other country in Latin America, and the reason Chavez was able to come into power was because of western exploitation. Study the history of the region- Chavez couldn't have taken power if it weren't for earlier, worse external exploitation. It may be bad now, but it was so bad before, and is still so bad around it that people thought the idea of a Chavez run government was good.
As far as inflation issues, its been worldwide, and if I am correct, is there not now a U.S. embargo on Venezuela?
If you think its better in Nicaragua, go there, check out some real extreme poverty. Its fucked.
All you are giving is the biased perspective of one of the last American exploiters, not facts.
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Hes driving around a car that gets 10 mpg for starters? And then people bitch about high oil cost. Hmmm, imagine that. ::)
I ain't gots no hummer, I drives a hybrid. I ain't as stupid as I look.
I will do the honors of giving you your first "K".
Love,
JT
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PS. I didn't have anything to add to the great debate, I don't know much.
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remEMBer, do you know who that girl is? where'd you get that thingy from?
Her name is Shay Laren and I found it on the photo/video thread( I remember someone else having it up) Something about a skinny girl with real titties boucing while putting jeans on makes my day everyday and everytime I post.
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the dude in the cubicle behind me and myself really wish it had a couple of more frames.
(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3217/1203656848676ey2.gif)
A couple of frames more? How about this instead?
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Didn't Big Black get his Pinto converted Green? Does that mean it won't explode in a head on collision?
In the Phillipines we'd call it a lechon party.
haha that shit is funny as fuck!! In Hawaii its called luau's main attraction.
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Hes driving around a car that gets 10 mpg for starters? And then people bitch about high oil cost. Hmmm, imagine that. ::)
I ain't gots no hummer, I drives a hybrid. I ain't as stupid as I look.
I will do the honors of giving you your first "K".
Love,
JT
Well good. People that drive around trucks and suv's can fuck themselves.
I'm not sure what "K" is, kook and gnar is something I've seen, have no idea what it is. But if its coming from JT its gotta be a good christian like thing.
Love,
Nick.
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...yeah, it's means you're awesome!
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anyone read Clyde Singleton's blog lately?
http://clydesingleton.blogspot.com/
feel free to discuss...
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now.. before i get going any further. id like to address suhn'tin. recently, I'd dropped some editorial piFF titled, "10 Reasons to Hate Ryan Sheckler" in Transworld(while it may seem to be one thing, you might wanna read it before any of you clowns think im on "your side") well, it seems as if my man Jamie Thomas has a different taste towards ole Shecks.. from what i understand, Jamie thinks Ryan Sheckler is/has been "ruining skteboarding". hold on.. bwahahahahahahahahahhaahah! man. Young Money got yall out here, hatin talkin like Plies.! what da fokk, is this dude even talm'kin bout?!! now before i say this, i want everyone to know- Jamie and i go back like whyte bishes, with no ass. moving on. Jamie. I think you're a cool guy- but you waaaaaaaaaaaaay outta line here, fam. With all due respect, if you cant see how the "handrail/drawn out 50-50/long hair-minimal trick/4 minutes of the same, loud 5 tricks" phase RUINED skateboarding- YOU'D have to be kidding me. take it as you may, but thats the truth. a KID on tv, cant "ruin" skateboarding. actually- he could make it BETTER. its the older guys who complain about these younger cats, is whats REALLY ruining skateboarding. its basically- the whole "west coast hip-hop" treatment. and lemme explain that. if you follow hip-hop, you know theres been next to NO new talent coming out the west coast SINCE '96. same old dudes, hogging up the scene. and when someone new comes through- the older heads wanna "hate". NOW. im sure Mr. Thomas' attitude could stem from the same flack he was catching when he was blowing up on the scene, back in the mid-90's. so to "embrace" anything "new" could be quite foreign. but to act like YOU didn't notice the "change" you brought skateboarding(either positive, or negative), is like calling the kettle black. i just wanted to touch up on that.. i wish both these guys good luck moving forward, but Jamie- you dead wrong for this one.. leave that kid be, and concentrate more on sending ya riders "trick lists", and what clothes to wear while doing said tricks. no "beef". just the truth like Soljourner..
Good find diabolik!
Jamie, say something.
Regards,
Perfect Cock
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^ oh shit look what we have here
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concentrate more on sending ya riders "trick lists", and what clothes to wear while doing said tricks.
hahahahahaha fuck you Jamie thomas
You may have "won over" some sheep on this forum, but some of us here still know how much of a joke you are to the majority of the skateboard industry.
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anyone read Clyde Singleton's blog lately?
http://clydesingleton.blogspot.com/
feel free to discuss...
I know Clyde didn't just say something along the lines of "same 5 tricks", did he?
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clyde your tre flip in trilogy was dope......now leave skateboarding forever
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Clyde,
I never said young blood was ruining skating.
I was misquoted and homie got bent. I had a conversation w/ D way about the direction of skateboarding and the corporatification of it and somehow he used me/a conversation we had as an example to try and get a point across to sheckler.
I talked to him and I called shecks to let em know even though I don't agree with all his choices etc..it's not my style and I have better shit to worry about that talkin pointless shit on him.
seems pretty jacked that you just took this and ran with it without getting some facts from your boy
...and then you felt it was your responsibility to put me in place by basically saying I ruined shit with 5 trick handrail parts and regertitating some half assed rumors about the way I run my shit.
It's cool though, I can take it.
Peace,
JT
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Wow, Clyde Singleton is a fucking LAMEASS for backing Sheckler. I still laughed at his jabs at Jaime, though. Anyway, Sheckler shows once again he is a little cry baby bitch complaining that Jaime Thomas doesn't like him. DUDE YOU HAVE A FUCKING SHOW ON MTV AND DO PRO-ACTIV COMMERCIALS... Honestly you gotta be a fucking moron to not at least see where people are coming from with all the hate. I'm no Jaime Thomas dicksucker but there's a difference to what Jaime Thomas and Ryan Sheckler contributed. Whether you like him, his business (or alleged business) practices, or his companies you can't deny that Jaime Thomas pretty much changed skateboarding. Jaime Thomas pretty much invented the bang bang bang 2 second clip editing style while being arguably the main dude to bring rail skating to huge popularity. Now, I don't really like either of those things but it's still something he has to show... You can't compare the guy to Ryan Sheckler. Even if you hate Jaime Thomas you have to give him at least some degree of respect. What has Ryan Sheckler done? Ride the Sk8rboi popularity wave to stardom at us? Have a manager, who is his mom to make things even worse, at us? Basically show thousands of people who watch MTV that skateboarding is a serious job which gets in the way of real life(which is apparently based around trying to get a girlfriend/desperately seeking approval) at us? Ok, well that last sentance is pretty unfounded because I've never seen the show and it's just based off of what people on here say about it but you get the point.
P.s. I say he does these things at us becuase I find it very offensive, and frankly, almost like he's trying to mock us.
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Clyde could you care to explain how Shecky can make it better?
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P.S. the revolution that recently occurred in Venezuela was the result of the hatred of American and other western nations exploiting South America. Also, its the reason the U.S. government hates Venezuela- they stopped taking our shit.
i work for a company that a few months back transfered me to their venezuelan branch to do a very specific job, lemme tell ya, that "revolution" had nothing to do with americans, that's the spin that the corrupt venezuelan government puts on it, every one of my venezuelan coworkers hate their "president", every election has been rigged, all of em want to leave the country, this is an oil exporter country where most of the population lives in poverty even though the barrell is going for 120$ more or less and the "president" says their poverty is Bush' fault (i kid you not that's what he says, i've seen the guy throwing that bullshit on national tv)
i seriously think our government hates Venezuela's current dictator, and Venezuela's dictator uses our government as scapegoats for all the bullshit moves he pulls. most of what i know about this country is not only my opinion but that of my venezuelan co-workers
fuck. feel you man. heard chavez is mad crooked. stay up.
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anyone read Clyde Singleton's blog lately?
http://clydesingleton.blogspot.com/
feel free to discuss...
I know, he talks so much shit at points where he is not in the position to do it, sometimes it can be funnier than his intentional humor. Like when he called Shiloh out and acted like Shiloh was never at his level... I guess Clyde never saw New World Order. Clyde has like 5 tricks, and 4 of them suck. His "heelflip over a picnic table in '94" has been forgotten about for the most part, since most people outside of the L.A. area don't give a shit about L.A. schoolyard "landmarks" anyway.
What I don't get is that he is acting like its lame to judge Sheckler, but then judges Jamie Thomas for supposedly hating Sheckler. What Clyde, are we only supposed to hate Singleton approved kooks? Its a shame most of them are cooler than you.
The amount of flack you have taken for supposedly talking bad about one stupid little shit is ridiculous. Honestly, I don't know what you said, but even if you said the worst things they claim its true.
If I were you, and some little spoiled shit was hating on me who had an Mtv show and proactiv commercials and was wondering why people hated on him, I'd fucking kill him.
Notice how half of the industry is publicly saying he is worthless, and he called YOU out by name. Fuck that hater. He's fucking himself over and the real skaters will never back him ever, so now he lashes out. The first lash out being towards Jamie Thomas. He also hated on the Almost guys in that interview.
Yeah, hate on Rodney, Daewon, and Jamie Thomas and we'll all think you are real fucking cool.
And fuck Clyde and Nieratko for acting like they don't give a fuck and then being bitch boys for the worse thing to ever happen to skating, less respect to you guys, no more to him.
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i was actually stoked on neirartkos questions. they almost started to get redundent, but my hunger to know what the fuck goes on in shecklers head made me carefully read each question and response without getting annoyed at all. he told him that shit on the show made him want to puke, i think thats pretty cool to lay down like that
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yeah his TSM interview was better than his TWS interview. the tWS guy gave him friendly ass questions and at least the TSM interview was funny with all the rumors that nieratko was throwing out and of course him talking about his mom was funny too
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where can i read this interview without getting the magazine?
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Everyone hates someone.. seriously ,this entire message board isn't about skateboarding..AT ALL..it's filled with "i hate sheckler" i hate Jamie thomas " i hate this guy , that guy.. oh blah blah rides for this company .your'e ruining skateboarding no you are , no you! GROW THE FUCK UP... skateboarding isnt about the companies, the riders, the tshirt super skater of the year happens to backing its about you..how do you feel when your riding a skateboard.. does what sheckler does on MTV affect how you feel when you land a trick.. is anyone forcing you to shop at pac sun?, do you even have to talk to the kooks that do..NO..all you have to do is do you... handle your responsibilities and ride your godamn skateboard. i after 10 years i still get stoked every time i see a magazine, or a video..and not because i care about what someone has to say , i never read the interviews because i dont really care about someones beliefs, just because they skate.. what we have something in common so i should give a fuck,,?..thats the problem everyone wants to criticize another skateboorder for what theyre doing simply because its not them..if you think skateboarding is being ruined , ok congrats you have an opinion.. what are you doing about it? typing your opinion into a message board..hahahahahaahahaha get real , banging loud drums doesnt do anything.. dont like board companies do something about it start your own.. think you can do it better then jamie?..okay prove it... shecklers a bitch?? , but gets credit because he's actually really fucking good at skateboarding, then go put yourself in his shit...do what hes doing back up your words and step to half the shit he does...you wont because you cant
(oh and dont pretend that when you were 17 you werent trying to get pussy too..his shits just under a microscope..what am i talking about half of you on here are 17)
Jamie thomas helped pave the way for the skateboarders you see now.. back in the day when welcome to hell came out there was nobody who didnt rewind his part, and get amped...thats motherfucking skateboarding...sleeping at emb just to wake up and skate..driving across the country with your bros...thats skateboarding ..as far as im concerned JT has payed his dues ..and he can do whatever he wants with it..and i definitly dont think theres anything wrong with what he's doing...or anyone else..you are the consumer..you have the right to buy or not buy what he and everyone else is selling..dont like mystery or zero , skip over it there 100 other board companies that yo can choose from(and im sure hate for some reason)..dont like sheckler turn off the tv..just stop fucking talking about it, and dressing up your jealousy as some noble action to preserve skateboarding..cause your not preserving shit..your just whining
have any of you ever stopped to think about the fact that these are people your talking to?..would you say any of this shit to JT's or ryans face?...probably not..why cause you'd realize both of those dudes are pretty nice guys.. the few times ive met jamie he's always been super cool, and when ryan was a little kid ripping harder then anyone he was a cool little kid, no ego whatsoever, the last time i saw hime he was still pretty much the same kid..just a little bit bigger..bottom line this message board lets people who dont matter(myself included) feel involved in the industry that hopefully they love, for whatever reason most of us arent pros, or ballsy enough to do what we see all these guys doing..so you should sit back and enjoy the show , get stoked and go ride your skateboard
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finally someone smart on this messageboard
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This message board is full of skateboarding. Look at how much love people have for Cardiel. It had some guys talking pretty deep about the guy. You know why? Because of the way he acts. He overcome paralysis, and tried hard to do something that has given him more joy in life than anything. You know why people hate on Sheckler? Because he doesn't seem to show that kind of attitude.
Everyone on here loves skateboarding, and it's obvious by the way they talk about certain things.
I like interviews because it tells me something about the people I look up to. I'd much rather look up to someone who has a level-headed attitude about life, than someone who thinks he's amazing. You can tell how kindly he thinks of himself. "I have the best looking fs feebles", "My part should be pretty amazing". Sorry if I don't care for people that act like that, but with all the people I have been around that has acted like that, I've hated them.
Voicing our opinions do make a difference, because it shows that people do care. If no one complained, than nothing would happen either. Complaints DO help.
Sorry if I didn't address all if any of your points.
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Everyone hates someone.. seriously ,this entire message board isn't about skateboarding..AT ALL..it's filled with "i hate sheckler" i hate Jamie thomas " i hate this guy , that guy.. oh blah blah rides for this company .your'e ruining skateboarding no you are , no you! GROW THE FUCK UP... skateboarding isnt about the companies, the riders, the tshirt super skater of the year happens to backing its about you..how do you feel when your riding a skateboard.. does what sheckler does on MTV affect how you feel when you land a trick.. is anyone forcing you to shop at pac sun?, do you even have to talk to the kooks that do..NO..all you have to do is do you... handle your responsibilities and ride your godamn skateboard. i after 10 years i still get stoked every time i see a magazine, or a video..and not because i care about what someone has to say , i never read the interviews because i dont really care about someones beliefs, just because they skate.. what we have something in common so i should give a fuck,,?..thats the problem everyone wants to criticize another skateboorder for what theyre doing simply because its not them..if you think skateboarding is being ruined , ok congrats you have an opinion.. what are you doing about it? typing your opinion into a message board..hahahahahaahahaha get real , banging loud drums doesnt do anything.. dont like board companies do something about it start your own.. think you can do it better then jamie?..okay prove it... shecklers a bitch?? , but gets credit because he's actually really fucking good at skateboarding, then go put yourself in his shit...do what hes doing back up your words and step to half the shit he does...you wont because you cant
(oh and dont pretend that when you were 17 you werent trying to get pussy too..his shits just under a microscope..what am i talking about half of you on here are 17)
Jamie thomas helped pave the way for the skateboarders you see now.. back in the day when welcome to hell came out there was nobody who didnt rewind his part, and get amped...thats motherfucking skateboarding...sleeping at emb just to wake up and skate..driving across the country with your bros...thats skateboarding ..as far as im concerned JT has payed his dues ..and he can do whatever he wants with it..and i definitly dont think theres anything wrong with what he's doing...or anyone else..you are the consumer..you have the right to buy or not buy what he and everyone else is selling..dont like mystery or zero , skip over it there 100 other board companies that yo can choose from(and im sure hate for some reason)..dont like sheckler turn off the tv..just stop fucking talking about it, and dressing up your jealousy as some noble action to preserve skateboarding..cause your not preserving shit..your just whining
have any of you ever stopped to think about the fact that these are people your talking to?..would you say any of this shit to JT's or ryans face?...probably not..why cause you'd realize both of those dudes are pretty nice guys.. the few times ive met jamie he's always been super cool, and when ryan was a little kid ripping harder then anyone he was a cool little kid, no ego whatsoever, the last time i saw hime he was still pretty much the same kid..just a little bit bigger..bottom line this message board lets people who dont matter(myself included) feel involved in the industry that hopefully they love, for whatever reason most of us arent pros, or ballsy enough to do what we see all these guys doing..so you should sit back and enjoy the show , get stoked and go ride your skateboard
You made some valid points, but what's dressing up your jealousy mean?
People that talk shit about things or other people almost always just simply dislike those things or people.
Jealousy doesn't have shit to do with not liking or hating someone or having a shit-talking negative opinion about something, why is it that some people assume that jealousy has anything to do with it?
Believe it or not it is possible to not care for people or things without jealousy being involved.
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"dressing up your jealousy" ya know basically coming up with reasons to hate on someone when the true reason could be rooted back to jealousy...and of course you can hate someone and not be jealous of them..but most of the kids who i grew up skating with were jealous that the kid that looks like a person who couldn't spell skateboard was better then them
I agree cardiel is sick, one of my favorite people to watch skate..and the epicly laterd series was awesome and definitley struck some nerves...but theres only one CARDIEL.. .and nobody is taking away from that nobody can take what hes overcome away from him...but why ever compare sheckler to cardiel...they arent even comparable , but because cardiel is a true dude does that automatically make sheckler a piece of shit?...i dont think so..it cant be that black and white... personally id rather watch cardiel than sheckler skate but i can still get stoked on seeing a video part from ryan..its all skating to me...all the politics is what kills it for me...
and in all seriousness the quote "my video part should be pretty amazing" i mean it can come off weird, but i mean would you rather him say oh its going to suck?/..i mean what would be the right answer...?....
i feel like skateboarding is put on trial like this..l ike pick one cardiel or sheckler....vans or emerica, jamie thomas or reynolds...and thats not fair...why cant i like everything..why cant it all be sick.. why cant i get stoked on every single motherfucker riding a skateboard no matter whether that person thinks there feeble is sick or not....because were talking about skating...now if it wasl like who would i rather chill with..hands down id pick cards, he seems like a true dude...i dont know..skateboarding should just be simple...i liked it more when i didnt know shit about it
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I never "compared" Shecky to Cardiel, but used Cardiel as an example...
I also never said Sheckler was a piece of shit because Cardiel was amazing either. I said that the reason people hate Sheckler is because of the way HE acts as a person.
And it's fairly obvious that the best thing to say would have been nothing at all. Then he wouldn't look like a guy with a high ego, or have that "wierd comment" that you were talking about.....
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Everyone hates someone.. seriously ,this entire message board isn't about skateboarding..AT ALL..it's filled with "i hate sheckler" i hate Jamie thomas " i hate this guy , that guy.. oh blah blah rides for this company .your'e ruining skateboarding no you are , no you! GROW THE FUCK UP... skateboarding isnt about the companies, the riders, the tshirt super skater of the year happens to backing its about you..how do you feel when your riding a skateboard.. does what sheckler does on MTV affect how you feel when you land a trick.. is anyone forcing you to shop at pac sun?, do you even have to talk to the kooks that do..NO..all you have to do is do you... handle your responsibilities and ride your godamn skateboard. i after 10 years i still get stoked every time i see a magazine, or a video..and not because i care about what someone has to say , i never read the interviews because i dont really care about someones beliefs, just because they skate.. what we have something in common so i should give a fuck,,?..thats the problem everyone wants to criticize another skateboorder for what theyre doing simply because its not them..if you think skateboarding is being ruined , ok congrats you have an opinion.. what are you doing about it? typing your opinion into a message board..hahahahahaahahaha get real , banging loud drums doesnt do anything.. dont like board companies do something about it start your own.. think you can do it better then jamie?..okay prove it... shecklers a bitch?? , but gets credit because he's actually really fucking good at skateboarding, then go put yourself in his shit...do what hes doing back up your words and step to half the shit he does...you wont because you cant
(oh and dont pretend that when you were 17 you werent trying to get pussy too..his shits just under a microscope..what am i talking about half of you on here are 17)
Jamie thomas helped pave the way for the skateboarders you see now.. back in the day when welcome to hell came out there was nobody who didnt rewind his part, and get amped...thats motherfucking skateboarding...sleeping at emb just to wake up and skate..driving across the country with your bros...thats skateboarding ..as far as im concerned JT has payed his dues ..and he can do whatever he wants with it..and i definitly dont think theres anything wrong with what he's doing...or anyone else..you are the consumer..you have the right to buy or not buy what he and everyone else is selling..dont like mystery or zero , skip over it there 100 other board companies that yo can choose from(and im sure hate for some reason)..dont like sheckler turn off the tv..just stop fucking talking about it, and dressing up your jealousy as some noble action to preserve skateboarding..cause your not preserving shit..your just whining
have any of you ever stopped to think about the fact that these are people your talking to?..would you say any of this shit to JT's or ryans face?...probably not..why cause you'd realize both of those dudes are pretty nice guys.. the few times ive met jamie he's always been super cool, and when ryan was a little kid ripping harder then anyone he was a cool little kid, no ego whatsoever, the last time i saw hime he was still pretty much the same kid..just a little bit bigger..bottom line this message board lets people who dont matter(myself included) feel involved in the industry that hopefully they love, for whatever reason most of us arent pros, or ballsy enough to do what we see all these guys doing..so you should sit back and enjoy the show , get stoked and go ride your skateboard
i barely read any of that.
but sheckler, jamie thomas and countless others are constantly using their 'personalities' to try and take my money out of my pocket so it can go into theirs.
if i feel they way do this or the stuff they do while doing it is crass, embarrasing, tasteless or whatever else then i feel confident that i'm perfectly justified in going onto the internet and attacking them.
further fucking more skateboarding used to me to seem to be the coolest thing in the world by a long way, thanks to these two dicks amongst others it no longer does. it's still just as fun as ever but it's not quite as cool and to some degree that matters to every single person here whether they admit or not.
sheckler/thomas have a real simple solution if they want to bring the shit talking to a dignified end, if they want to keep trying to get my, yours and everyone elses money then i'm afraid they're going to have to(and should) just fucking deal with it.
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every pro is making you put money into their pockets. say you see a new dennis busenitz ad that ad made some kid go buy a real busenitz deck which puts money in his pocket so all the pros you know and love are trying to get you to put money in their pockets believe it or not
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every pro is making you put money into their pockets. say you see a new dennis busenitz ad that ad made some kid go buy a real busenitz deck which puts money in his pocket so all the pros you know and love are trying to get you to put money in their pockets believe it or not
no shit.
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Money isnt the reason I started a skateboard company and the last thing I want is "your" money. I don't know you, but in every single one of your posts over the year I've been here, you've make it loud and clear your a dick. Regardless, if what you're saying is even about me, you still come across as one of the lamest dudes out. You say I made skateboarding less cool and I can "deal" with your opinion, but what are you doing to make it more cool? Spitting negativity on the board, yeah you're killing it.
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Money isnt the reason I started a skateboard company
really? what was the reason?
and the reason you started another one?
and a truck company?
and a shoe company?
and then another board company?
you lie like other people breathe.
and you and i both know that you have done way more negative and dick-ish things to other pro skaters than talk some shit about them on a message board.
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hes not jamie thomas. i thought he stopped posting here a long time ago
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girl workshop b your an idiot
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Money isnt the reason I started a skateboard company
really? what was the reason?
and the reason you started another one?
and a truck company?
and a shoe company?
and then another board company?
you lie like other people breathe.
and you and i both know that you have done way more negative and dick-ish things to other pro skaters than talk some shit about them on a message board.
for reals?
when I started skating, I had no idea you could make money off of it.
i started cause it was fun and i was fascinated with the fact that you could do it by yourself whenever or however you wanted.
I did that and that alone for years, eventually my parents were fed with buying my gear, so I had to get a job in order to buy boards.
I didn't get a job because I loved money, I got a job because I had to get skateboards some how.
as time went on, I obviously figured out that it was possible to get sponsored and get stuff for free. I wanted to hook up with that so I could ditch the job and just skate because it was way more fun that flipping burgers at wendy's. I made a million vids and eventually was lucky enough to start receiving some crap in the mail.
i still didn't know much about making a living off of it, cause the memo didn't make it to my part of the woods.
at any rate, I knew I wanted to progress and california was where I needed to go, so that's where I went.
I came to california to hopefully make a life in skateboarding and I was prepared for however ghetto that life may be. I didn't expect to make any real money. I was content with being alive, so that's pretty much just food and there was barely that for a long time.
speeding up to when I was on toy pretty much running the shit, I was like I love this, I want to run my own thing some day.
it feels amazing to create stuff and see it when it comes out especially if people are feeling it. I get psyhced when we get a sample in just because of the process that goes into it and I'm psyched on it. Maybe that sounds weird, but it's fun. When I started zero i didn't expect for it to succeed, it just felt like that was the next step and I was up for the challenge. I took the same pay as when I was on toy and that's all i got for years. then I was told that it was doing well and I was gonna start making money for running it. I obviously was psyched cause I felt like I was working hard, but the truth is I wouldve been doing it regardless of if I made any money off it. I wouldve figured out some other way to keep the lights on.
...seems like because myself or the companies are successful, i'm greedy or i'm only around trying to get everyone's money, but truth is as long as I'm having fun and feeling challenged, I'm psyched, don't buy our crap if you think we suck, but don't tell me why im in it, cause you don't know.
Sometimes I drive by someone mowing a lawn or something and I envy how simple of a job that is.
I contemplate what it would be like going back to that and I see the upsides, but I see the downsides for the people that depend on me so i get up and go to work the next day.
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and you and i both know that you have done way more negative and dick-ish things to other pro skaters than talk some shit about them on a message board.
what's the dickish stuff, has any of it been in my adult life? I try and do right by people and not be a dick.
I guess that's the point I was trying to make, you take pride in it then declare other heads are making crap worse.
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"dressing up your jealousy" ya know basically coming up with reasons to hate on someone when the true reason could be rooted back to jealousy...and of course you can hate someone and not be jealous of them..but most of the kids who i grew up skating with were jealous that the kid that looks like a person who couldn't spell skateboard was better then them
I agree cardiel is sick, one of my favorite people to watch skate..and the epicly laterd series was awesome and definitley struck some nerves...but theres only one CARDIEL.. .and nobody is taking away from that nobody can take what hes overcome away from him...but why ever compare sheckler to cardiel...they arent even comparable , but because cardiel is a true dude does that automatically make sheckler a piece of shit?...i dont think so..it cant be that black and white... personally id rather watch cardiel than sheckler skate but i can still get stoked on seeing a video part from ryan..its all skating to me...all the politics is what kills it for me...
and in all seriousness the quote "my video part should be pretty amazing" i mean it can come off weird, but i mean would you rather him say oh its going to suck?/..i mean what would be the right answer...?....
i feel like skateboarding is put on trial like this..l ike pick one cardiel or sheckler....vans or emerica, jamie thomas or reynolds...and thats not fair...why cant i like everything..why cant it all be sick.. why cant i get stoked on every single motherfucker riding a skateboard no matter whether that person thinks there feeble is sick or not....because were talking about skating...now if it wasl like who would i rather chill with..hands down id pick cards, he seems like a true dude...i dont know..skateboarding should just be simple...i liked it more when i didnt know shit about it
thanks for coming out....
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remEMBer, do you know who that girl is? where'd you get that thingy from?
thank you friend! ...i was worried that reading this thread would be a waste of time.
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DRIFTWOOD::::skateboarding as sacred as it is to us who love , and live it is still a buisness...always has been and always will be...if it wasnt youd be busy making your own boards in your garage bitching about the fact the the drill company upped there prices again and now it cost you more to drill holes in your board. how would you rather have it..no shops, no boards to ride, no videos to watch...you want to keep it secret..why?....its less cool?..to who..to you ..or are you butt hurt because your not elite anymore?,,because some kid at the mall has a pair of dc's on but he doesnt know ow to "use them"..i mean why does it matter..it sounds like your far more concerned with an image then the actual act of skateboarding...
asking JT why he started companies is silly ..why ?...because there is a demand..if people werent willing to spend money then other people wouldnt offer the product...but from where im sitting it seems to be working out for him..?are you against money all together?...because if so youre fighting a losing battle.....i just think your misdirecting your anger, JT isnt doing anything any other skateboard company isnt doing..and hes alot better then some of the companies i can think of who really dont give a fuck ..or even ride a skateboard for that matter
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Money isnt the reason I started a skateboard company and the last thing I want is "your" money. I don't know you, but in every single one of your posts over the year I've been here, you've make it loud and clear your a dick. Regardless, if what you're saying is even about me, you still come across as one of the lamest dudes out. You say I made skateboarding less cool and I can "deal" with your opinion, but what are you doing to make it more cool? Spitting negativity on the board, yeah you're killing it.
You certainly have this guys money
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"dressing up your jealousy" ya know basically coming up with reasons to hate on someone when the true reason could be rooted back to jealousy...and of course you can hate someone and not be jealous of them..but most of the kids who i grew up skating with were jealous that the kid that looks like a person who couldn't spell skateboard was better then them
I agree cardiel is sick, one of my favorite people to watch skate..and the epicly laterd series was awesome and definitley struck some nerves...but theres only one CARDIEL.. .and nobody is taking away from that nobody can take what hes overcome away from him...but why ever compare sheckler to cardiel...they arent even comparable , but because cardiel is a true dude does that automatically make sheckler a piece of shit?...i dont think so..it cant be that black and white... personally id rather watch cardiel than sheckler skate but i can still get stoked on seeing a video part from ryan..its all skating to me...all the politics is what kills it for me...
and in all seriousness the quote "my video part should be pretty amazing" i mean it can come off weird, but i mean would you rather him say oh its going to suck?/..i mean what would be the right answer...?....
i feel like skateboarding is put on trial like this..l ike pick one cardiel or sheckler....vans or emerica, jamie thomas or reynolds...and thats not fair...why cant i like everything..why cant it all be sick.. why cant i get stoked on every single motherfucker riding a skateboard no matter whether that person thinks there feeble is sick or not....because were talking about skating...now if it wasl like who would i rather chill with..hands down id pick cards, he seems like a true dude...i dont know..skateboarding should just be simple...i liked it more when i didnt know shit about it
thanks for coming out....
sarcasm , ??honestly cant tell
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Tedpod, under 13 or over 31?
i've got my money on 13 but sadly it's probably 31
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what my age??... 25
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Embarrassing...
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Embarrassing...
and why is that?...because im not E-cool...im not the right age...bummer for me guess i wont get a bunch of "rep points" this is the shit im talking about my age has absolutley nothing to do with my opinion...if iwere 13 i'd be too you ng to have an actual opinion and everyone would say grow up you havent skated long enough to know"
if i were 31 everyone woauld call me a fossil and ell me to go skate a bowl and talk about bill danforth...
the internet is whatever, i could give two shits about my popularity but its hard to sit around and watch people blabble off bullshit that simply doesnt make sense, and is honestly hypocritical
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I meant the whole thread.
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I meant the whole thread.
cool, sometimes its really hard to know what people are saying...sorry to be on the defense
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"dressing up your jealousy" ya know basically coming up with reasons to hate on someone when the true reason could be rooted back to jealousy...and of course you can hate someone and not be jealous of them..but most of the kids who i grew up skating with were jealous that the kid that looks like a person who couldn't spell skateboard was better then them
I agree cardiel is sick, one of my favorite people to watch skate..and the epicly laterd series was awesome and definitley struck some nerves...but theres only one CARDIEL.. .and nobody is taking away from that nobody can take what hes overcome away from him...but why ever compare sheckler to cardiel...they arent even comparable , but because cardiel is a true dude does that automatically make sheckler a piece of shit?...i dont think so..it cant be that black and white... personally id rather watch cardiel than sheckler skate but i can still get stoked on seeing a video part from ryan..its all skating to me...all the politics is what kills it for me...
and in all seriousness the quote "my video part should be pretty amazing" i mean it can come off weird, but i mean would you rather him say oh its going to suck?/..i mean what would be the right answer...?....
i feel like skateboarding is put on trial like this..l ike pick one cardiel or sheckler....vans or emerica, jamie thomas or reynolds...and thats not fair...why cant i like everything..why cant it all be sick.. why cant i get stoked on every single motherfucker riding a skateboard no matter whether that person thinks there feeble is sick or not....because were talking about skating...now if it wasl like who would i rather chill with..hands down id pick cards, he seems like a true dude...i dont know..skateboarding should just be simple...i liked it more when i didnt know shit about it
thanks for coming out....
sarcasm , ??honestly cant tell
neither could JT but he was smart enough to try to figure it out, versus just coming on here and telling everyone they don't know shit.....
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"dressing up your jealousy" ya know basically coming up with reasons to hate on someone when the true reason could be rooted back to jealousy...and of course you can hate someone and not be jealous of them..but most of the kids who i grew up skating with were jealous that the kid that looks like a person who couldn't spell skateboard was better then them
I agree cardiel is sick, one of my favorite people to watch skate..and the epicly laterd series was awesome and definitley struck some nerves...but theres only one CARDIEL.. .and nobody is taking away from that nobody can take what hes overcome away from him...but why ever compare sheckler to cardiel...they arent even comparable , but because cardiel is a true dude does that automatically make sheckler a piece of shit?...i dont think so..it cant be that black and white... personally id rather watch cardiel than sheckler skate but i can still get stoked on seeing a video part from ryan..its all skating to me...all the politics is what kills it for me...
and in all seriousness the quote "my video part should be pretty amazing" i mean it can come off weird, but i mean would you rather him say oh its going to suck?/..i mean what would be the right answer...?....
i feel like skateboarding is put on trial like this..l ike pick one cardiel or sheckler....vans or emerica, jamie thomas or reynolds...and thats not fair...why cant i like everything..why cant it all be sick.. why cant i get stoked on every single motherfucker riding a skateboard no matter whether that person thinks there feeble is sick or not....because were talking about skating...now if it wasl like who would i rather chill with..hands down id pick cards, he seems like a true dude...i dont know..skateboarding should just be simple...i liked it more when i didnt know shit about it
thanks for coming out....
sarcasm , ??honestly cant tell
neither could JT but he was smart enough to try to figure it out, versus just coming on here and telling everyone they don't know shit.....
honestly, pm driftwood or something...youre charactarizing all of us and it sounds ignorant..although i do agree with both of you on some points .. i hate you both
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Otis may be a dick, but he is totally right on this one. These guys package themselves as a commodity. That includes every pro skater. When you are selling things using your image, there is a legitimate reason for a person to reject your sales pitch. Its not about personally knowing somebody. In pro skating a pro skater markets themself, and the target audience has every right to reject this commodity. And if a person commodifies their private life by having a reality show, it becomes the target audiece's right to reject that commodity as well.
Jamie, you said the last thing you want is our money. Come on now. I'm not saying that you want us to give you all of our money until we can't afford to eat anymore, but you definitely want our money. If not ours, whos? Who is your target audience? If it isn't us, its people who come on here and are influenced by us, right? I'm not saying you are like the guys at Nike who don't care about skating and only got involved in it to make a quick buck, but I'm guessing you figured you couldn't be jumping down 20 foot drops forever, and knew you had to make a living some how. That's fine. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, its quite admirable that you love skating enough that you found a way to be involved in it even after you can't skate. But, you do want our money, and thats ok.
Tedpod, the jealousy thing is stupid there are a lot of guys out there making shitloads of money skating who I like, why am I not jealous of them? And those guys who I say should be getting more, what selfish part of my morality does that go into? What is really dumb about all the shit you are saying is 1) you are just getting your arguments from magazines opinions of the boards. Of course this place does call them out consistently as industry whores, but that shouldn't give them any reason to talk bad about it... right? 2) It implies one single mentality of a board that has a membership of over 7000. To think you have an idea what everybody on here is thinking when they say what they say is ridiculous. There are a huge variety of opinions on here. Most of the time all you see is arguments in every thread, and the people who get the most hate on here aren't pros, but other posters on the board. When the overwhelming majority agrees one guy is a kook, its not because all of them are jealous, the odds are, he's fucking lame.
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Otis may be a dick, but he is totally right on this one. These guys package themselves as a commodity. That includes every pro skater. When you are selling things using your image, there is a legitimate reason for a person to reject your sales pitch. Its not about personally knowing somebody. In pro skating a pro skater markets themself, and the target audience has every right to reject this commodity. And if a person commodifies their private life by having a reality show, it becomes the target audiece's right to reject that commodity as well.
Jamie, you said the last thing you want is our money. Come on now. I'm not saying that you want us to give you all of our money until we can't afford to eat anymore, but you definitely want our money. If not ours, whos? Who is your target audience? If it isn't us, its people who come on here and are influenced by us, right? I'm not saying you are like the guys at Nike who don't care about skating and only got involved in it to make a quick buck, but I'm guessing you figured you couldn't be jumping down 20 foot drops forever, and knew you had to make a living some how. That's fine. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, its quite admirable that you love skating enough that you found a way to be involved in it even after you can't skate. But, you do want our money, and thats ok.
Tedpod, the jealousy thing is stupid there are a lot of guys out there making shitloads of money skating who I like, why am I not jealous of them? And those guys who I say should be getting more, what selfish part of my morality does that go into? What is really dumb about all the shit you are saying is 1) you are just getting your arguments from magazines opinions of the boards. Of course this place does call them out consistently as industry whores, but that shouldn't give them any reason to talk bad about it... right? 2) It implies one single mentality of a board that has a membership of over 7000. To think you have an idea what everybody on here is thinking when they say what they say is ridiculous. There are a huge variety of opinions on here. Most of the time all you see is arguments in every thread, and the people who get the most hate on here aren't pros, but other posters on the board. When the overwhelming majority agrees one guy is a kook, its not because all of them are jealous, the odds are, he's fucking lame.
i was referring to jealousy talking about sheckler, not JT, maybe jealousy isnt the correct word..envy maybe...basically sheckler doesnt represent what alot of skateboarders feel skating is about and he is the most in your or face..hes on tv, hes the hot topic the guy people love to hate...whatever blah blah...i just think its silly to hate someone's personality and then transcend into his skating?...you cant take away the fact the kid can skateboard...
ill be the first to apologize for making a generalization , it wasnt my intention..when i was saying "you" or "everyone" i was speaking about the people who have ill feelings...not EVERYONE...i just cant address individuals on each comment ...hopefully no offense was taken because it wasnt intentional. furthermore the arguments im making arent from mags, there from watching whats going on here, and comparing that to my personal experience with skating and having the chance to know some of the guys who get there assholes reamed for no good reason...i just think if theres a dozen kids on here talking shit about someone, who i feel isnt doing anything wrong , and has been nothing but cool with me, then sticking up for them is deserved, i understand its a message board and it here for entertainment..but its immature to use people as scapegoats for whats "wrong with skateboarding"
i just dont quite understand why theres a hate for someone starting a company...every skateboard you buy comes from a company...in a world where nike has the highest selling skate shoe(yes theres alot of people buying the shoes that dont skate...but theres alot who do) i think its regular to hate someone who actually rides a skateboard, has put in time behind a skateboard, and still skates every day....of course JT wants your money...but hes not forcing you to buy his product...nobody starts a business to be broke...when JT made the statement "i dont want your money" i think its pretty obvious he only wants the money of those who want to support him..again he's not making you do shit....(this is just in agreement with you gipper)
im rambling but i think it comes down personal belief and experience..i think if you chilled with some of the people you talk shit on, or skated witht hem you'd come away with a different point of view...maybe sheckler is a dick, whiny cocky gaylord...but id rather see for myself not fall in line with others who already just think that because they read an interview, or its a popular consensus on a msg board..just like some of you probably assume im an ass kissing faggot..if we chilled and skated together youd think different im sure of it...again not the point..sorry ....skateboarding again isnt that serious..its a piece of wood with wheels on it
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You like tattoos man?
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This thread got interesting again.
let's just sit back and relax
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The hate for Jamie Thomas is from accounts trying to start controversy.
And I don't understand what you are saying about Shecky... Everyone hates on his personality, not because they "envy" him but because he's a real bitch of a person. No one hates on his skating either. Most people say he's damn good on a board, but that doesn't mean that we should like him.
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Sheckler is talented, but kind of boring, and everything about him that I know makes me want to root against him. His personality gets in the way of his skating.
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Jamie what is your favourite company (image, team, product wise) in skateboarding, aside from your own brands?
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It all boils down to drama, people love it, for whatever reason, it's human nature. People love to see whats going wrong in other people's lives, because it strangely makes them feel more secure about their own. This board(or at least topics such as this on this board) is just a forum for people to create drama, and can be just as entertaining as watching the latest network reality show(personally I prefer The Hills, and if that makes me a fag, so be it). If everyone came on here starting topics like, "So and So pro is the best appreciation post", nobody would sign in numerous times a day, while at work, to check and see what's been said last. Saying, "I hate this pro because blah blah blah reason" makes this message board shit fun. I don't know if I'd be saying the same thing if I were Jamie or Sheckler, having to take the hate, but I'm not either of them, so I'll play the game. Seriously, it's all in good fun for the most part, but if you are reading this thread and you have to get up from your computer because you're so enraged at what people are saying, then maybe you should find something else to occupy your free time. This shit is just not that serious. There are lovers and haters in every facet of life, shit makes the world go round. It's been said before, If you aint being hated on, you aint doin shit right. It's better to be controversial and hated, but talked about, than to be Sugar Sports Skateboards and not talked about at all.
With all that being said, who the fuck is Clyde to say shit about anyone? Dude been takin scrub jobs from anyone in skateboarding who'll throw him a bone, just so he can stay "relevant" today. I've never ever heard anyone mention his name in their "Top Skaters of All-Time" list. How can you be so "thugg" and be from Florida? And any "thuggness" you may have, is completely null and void the moment you back Ryan Sheckler over Jamie Thomas. 5 trick parts that ruined skateboarding? Well the same could be said about Sheckler because in that one video he.....well in that other video there was that one part....no, but seriously he had that line that one time......fuck, has Sheckler even filmed a legitimate full part? I mean, yeah he's got contest footage on lock, but anything else?
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hes had like 3 full parts already. if you're gonna hate on someone for never having a legit part how about shaun white? i can name a million vert pros that compete alot and still put out legit parts
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ok, Shaun White sucks dick.
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Yeah man, nobody likes vert. >:(
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1O0PvpRwDw
Here's his "amazing" part guys! Yeah shecky, pretty amazing.
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of course it's not amazing. digital and oakley was just throwaway parts, he was just a little kid in the almost video so just wait for his plan b part.
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so basically, he's never had a legit pro part? Circles and circles and circles.
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of course it's not amazing. digital and oakley was just throwaway parts, he was just a little kid in the almost video so just wait for his plan b part.
But he said himself it was going to be amazing!!!!!
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the almost part was a legitpart. what i meant was he was young so hes not gonna do some super-tech shit. people improve, i thought ike mo was just switch flips and tre flips when i saw his forecast part but his fully flared part was nuts
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the almost part was a legitpart.
are you fucking serious?
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of course it's not amazing. digital and oakley was just throwaway parts, he was just a little kid in the almost video so just wait for his plan b part.
are you actually serious?
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ok then what does "legit" mean to you guys? i thought it just meant having a full part that wasn't all throwaway footage
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the almost part was a legitpart. what i meant was he was young so hes not gonna do some super-tech shit. people improve, i thought ike mo was just switch flips and tre flips when i saw his forecast part but his fully flared part was nuts
Oakley wasn't released that long ago.
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ok then what does "legit" mean to you guys? i thought it just meant having a full part that wasn't all throwaway footage
It's hard to find the words to describe how much I fucking hate you
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like i said oakley was probably throwaway. tell me would you put all your best footage for your sunglass sponsor's video or would you save it for your board sponsor's video?
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whatever i bet you guys were stoked on him in 2004
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like i said oakley was probably throwaway. tell me would you put all your best footage for your sunglass sponsor's video or would you save it for your board sponsor's video?
But Sheckler said in his own words. ".....it should be pretty amazing". Are you saying that he's lying?
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whatever i bet you guys were stoked on him in 2004
stop acting like you had started skating before 2004
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he has different tastes i guess. you think it isn't amazing but it is to someone else. and yes i started skating in 04 but im not in y mid twenties/30's and i don't feel like telling people my age right now
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Even if his new plan B part is "amazing" which i highly doubt it will be, it won't make me change my mind one bit about him.
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of course its not gonna prove that hes a great person but it'll prove how "amazing" he is on a board
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Even if his new plan B part is "amazing" which i highly doubt it will be, it won't make me change my mind one bit about him.
of course its not gonna prove that hes a great person but it'll prove how "amazing" he is on a board
I can't enjoy someone's footy if the skater is a complete asshole, no matter how "amazing" he is
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of course its not gonna prove that hes a great person but it'll prove how "amazing" he is on a board
To me, an amazing part would be one like this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=23a6qzPuTTI
I don't think Sheckler's is going to be very amazing...
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you guys are acting like hes the only douche. do you honestly know if you're favorite skater is a good person or not? also to make it in skateboarding you HAVE to be humble. pro's and ams didn't make it where they are JUST because they have skills. all of you know that to get on a team you have to get to meet the riders and if they don't like you and think you're a douche bag or something they're obviously not putting you on. and by the way stefan's a beast you can't compare them and how can you say that his part won't be amazing without actualy watching it?
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somehow the tattoo and t.v. show will likely get in the way.....
anyone seen that unreleased footage of guy brushing his teeth?
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also to make it in skateboarding you HAVE to be humble.
hahahahah.
how can you say that his part won't be amazing without actualy watching it?
i don't think people are saying they don't like ryan sheckler because his next video part might not be amazing.
i think they're saying they don't like him because he's a cunt.
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you guys are acting like hes the only douche. do you honestly know if you're favorite skater is a good person or not? also to make it in skateboarding you HAVE to be humble. pro's and ams didn't make it where they are JUST because they have skills. all of you know that to get on a team you have to get to meet the riders and if they don't like you and think you're a douche bag or something they're obviously not putting you on. and by the way stefan's a beast you can't compare them and how can you say that his part won't be amazing without actualy watching it?
the thing is,
Guys like stefan seems to actually like what their doing when you see their parts, I mean they like the progress of doing it
Guys like sheckler only seem to like the things connected to it, in this case: the money
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Otis may be a dick, but he is totally right on this one. These guys package themselves as a commodity. That includes every pro skater. When you are selling things using your image, there is a legitimate reason for a person to reject your sales pitch. Its not about personally knowing somebody. In pro skating a pro skater markets themself, and the target audience has every right to reject this commodity. And if a person commodifies their private life by having a reality show, it becomes the target audiece's right to reject that commodity as well.
Jamie, you said the last thing you want is our money. Come on now. I'm not saying that you want us to give you all of our money until we can't afford to eat anymore, but you definitely want our money. If not ours, whos? Who is your target audience? If it isn't us, its people who come on here and are influenced by us, right? I'm not saying you are like the guys at Nike who don't care about skating and only got involved in it to make a quick buck, but I'm guessing you figured you couldn't be jumping down 20 foot drops forever, and knew you had to make a living some how. That's fine. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, its quite admirable that you love skating enough that you found a way to be involved in it even after you can't skate. But, you do want our money, and thats ok.
Tedpod, the jealousy thing is stupid there are a lot of guys out there making shitloads of money skating who I like, why am I not jealous of them? And those guys who I say should be getting more, what selfish part of my morality does that go into? What is really dumb about all the shit you are saying is 1) you are just getting your arguments from magazines opinions of the boards. Of course this place does call them out consistently as industry whores, but that shouldn't give them any reason to talk bad about it... right? 2) It implies one single mentality of a board that has a membership of over 7000. To think you have an idea what everybody on here is thinking when they say what they say is ridiculous. There are a huge variety of opinions on here. Most of the time all you see is arguments in every thread, and the people who get the most hate on here aren't pros, but other posters on the board. When the overwhelming majority agrees one guy is a kook, its not because all of them are jealous, the odds are, he's fucking lame.
Money isnt the reason I started a skateboard company and the last thing I want is "your" money. I don't know you, but in every single one of your posts over the year I've been here, you've make it loud and clear your a dick. Regardless, if what you're saying is even about me, you still come across as one of the lamest dudes out. You say I made skateboarding less cool and I can "deal" with your opinion, but what are you doing to make it more cool? Spitting negativity on the board, yeah you're killing it.
Come on gipper...
the quotes were to make my point specific to Otis, since he made the statement;
but sheckler, jamie thomas and countless others are constantly using their 'personalities' to try and take my money out of my pocket so it can go into theirs.
...if they want to keep trying to get my, yours and everyone elses money then i'm afraid they're going to have to(and should) just fucking deal with it.
Obviously, we need money to stay in business and I need money to live, but I didn't start a company because I wanted to be rich and if I did, I would be an idiot, cause the chances of some redneck from Alabama pulling it has gotta be like a million to one.
I won the lottery and worked as hard as I could. Therefore, I'm thankful and i try to support/give back to the things I'm down for every chance I get. Friends, employee's, riders, shops, kids on the come up, charities. I'm not trying to say I'm a saint cause I know for the most part I'm a dick, but I don't actually going around trying to be, so I'll look cool and above everything.
If all the only people that were in skateboarding was salty dudes like Otis, you can trust me that I'd be out, money or not. Shit would suck, I'd find some other way to support myself.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't have ever gotten into it in the first place, but luckily I had some amazing dudes to skate with growing up and that made skateboarding the best thing in the world in my mind. It's compromised now that I'm older and things are changing, but the good still outweighs the bad and skating still feels fun, so I try to contribute whatever/however I can.
...sorry for the long winded explanation, but it was flowin.
peace.
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how can you say sheckler only skates for money? hes been skating since he was like 1 year old he probably would've quit by 8 years old if he didn't love doing it. also about the tattoo it's only his last name his dad has one too. it's not like it says "RYAN" it just says sheckler and theres only like one pic of it anyway and alot of people here wanna see dyrdek's mind field part yet he has a show (even though its over).
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Get it right dudes—The Chief didn't start his companies for the money. He started his companies for the power that comes from being a company owner and having that money—holla!
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how can you say sheckler only skates for money? hes been skating since he was like 1 year old he probably would've quit by 8 years old if he didn't love doing it. also about the tattoo it's only his last name his dad has one too. it's not like it says "RYAN" it just says sheckler and theres only like one pic of it anyway and alot of people here wanna see dyrdek's mind field part yet he has a show (even though its over).
I'm not saying it's entirely his fault, he became what his parents turned him into
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Get it right dudes—The Chief didn't start his companies for the money. He started his companies for the power that comes from being a company owner and having that money—holla!
totally, I had my eye on the power.
When I was a kid, I said I want to start skating so I can be powerful someday.
With any power comes responsibility and I try to do the best I can with both.
Do you know me or did you read some shit on the internet to make you the expert you are?
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Obviously, we need money to stay and business and I need money to live, but I didn't start a company because I wanted to be rich and if I did, I would be an idiot, cause the chances of some redneck from Alabama pulling it has gotta be like a million to one.
so why did you market zero to little kids?
why did you start a truck company that made trucks that you must have known were unnecessary at best and total shit at worst?
why did you start a shoe company that made cheaper/worse copies of popular already existing shoes?
just for fun right?
i'm not even going to get into slave which was probably the most cyncical marketing exercise i've seen this decade.
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quick Jamie, dodge those questions with vague answers
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Do I smell envy around here?
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Dude, beef jerky is fucking intense.
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Obviously, we need money to stay and business and I need money to live, but I didn't start a company because I wanted to be rich and if I did, I would be an idiot, cause the chances of some redneck from Alabama pulling it has gotta be like a million to one.
so why did you market zero to little kids?
why did you start a truck company that made trucks that you must have known were unnecessary at best and total shit at worst?
why did you start a shoe company that made cheaper/worse copies of popular already existing shoes?
just for fun right?
i'm not even going to get into slave which was probably the most cyncical marketing exercise i've seen this decade.
I started companies because I thought I had something different to offer and because I found it "fun" and challenging.
Most were opportunities that were presented to me that I was excited for and a way of making a long-term investment with my years of skateboarding. I'm not all about money, but I don't want my family to be on the street when my career's over.
We started Slave to offer something different to what we had and to support the shops that compete with mall stuff and to support one of "the raddest male human's I know", "Ben Horton."
When I made skulls in the beginning everyone was confused as hell, they said "this shit's dead", you sure you want to do this?
I was like, hell yeah, that's what I was into when I was a kid and no-one does it anymore. I didn't know it was going to be a hit. As time went on, I moved away from skulls and we made other crap that myself and the team were into etc...
to your next point, Fallen's arent' cheaper than Vans or emerica, so you're tripping on that one.
All modern day skate shoes have been influenced by the 10 or so classics and you can't reinvent them, so it's comes down to different spins.
you act like your posts shut me down and your pretentious comments are the end all. We've probably been in this for about the same amount of time and I've spent time in the gutter as well, so you can't tell me what I'm about and why I do what I do. All you can do from your view is make guesses.
I'm guessing that you either have no friends or no one has the heart to question your authority...and that's the beauty of this arrangement, I have to get down to the root of who I am everyday I sign on.
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could you guys beat a dead horse anymore? if JT sticks around is he gonna be bombarded with these questions for years on end? all the shit about zero being marketed to little kids has been discussed, in detail...the venezualan talk was the best thing this thread had going for it
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We started Slave to offer something different to what we had and to support the shops that compete with mall stuff and to support one of our biggest commodities, "Ben Horton."
mall stuff being zero, mystery and fallen right? so you wanted to make money from chain shops and small independents.
i thought ben horton was a male human, did you just call him a commodity?
to your next point, Fallen's arent' cheaper than Vans or emerica, so you're tripping on that one.
All modern day skate shoes have been influenced by the 10 or so classics and you can't reinvent them, so it's comes down to different spins.
they should be cheaper. didn't you just say you wanted to bring something new to the table everytime you started a company, now you're saying it's not possible to bring anything new to the shoe market.
you act like your posts shut me down and your pretentious comments are the end all. We've probably been in this for about the same amount of time and I've spent time in the gutter as well, so you can't tell me what I'm about and why I do what I do. All you can do from your view is make guesses.
no, i know facts about shady shit you've done in the past, you know them too but seem to have somehow forgotten them and persuaded yourself to buy this pathetic 'just a humble, god fearing redneck from alabamy' mythology that you probably paid a marketing company to write for you.
i'm not really trying to shut you down, i'd genuinely be interested in reading honest answers to these questions although i know at this point we will never get them from you.
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unanswered question; why did you start a truck company that made trucks that you must have known were unnecessary at best and total shit at worst?
Didn't know they were unnecessary at the time, must have been naive. realized it was a shotty attempt at best so I cut my losses and asked to ride for what I thought was the best program. that was 3 years ago, I have no interest in trying again and I'll ride for Thunder until I can't roll.
bring your shit too, absurdion
(...sorry I didn't think about you when I said otis probably doesn't have any friends
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unanswered question; why did you start a truck company that made trucks that you must have known were unnecessary at best and total shit at worst?
Didn't know they were unnecessary at the time, must have been naive. realized it was a shotty attempt at best so I cut my losses and asked to ride for what I thought was the best program. that was 3 years ago, I have no interest in trying again and I'll ride for Thunder until I can't roll.
are you saying you knowingly put shitty trucks on your completes?
is this you humbly contributing again?
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We started Slave to offer something different to what we had and to support the shops that compete with mall stuff and to support one of our biggest commodities, "Ben Horton."
mall stuff being zero, mystery and fallen right? so you wanted to make money from chain shops and small independents.
i thought ben horton was a male human, did you just call him a commodity?
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to your next point, Fallen's arent' cheaper than Vans or emerica, so you're tripping on that one.
All modern day skate shoes have been influenced by the 10 or so classics and you can't reinvent them, so it's comes down to different spins.
they should be cheaper. didn't you just say you wanted to bring something new to the table everytime you started a company, now you're saying it's not possible to bring anything new to the shoe market.
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you act like your posts shut me down and your pretentious comments are the end all. We've probably been in this for about the same amount of time and I've spent time in the gutter as well, so you can't tell me what I'm about and why I do what I do. All you can do from your view is make guesses.
no, i know facts about shady shit you've done in the past, you know them too but seem to have somehow forgotten them and persuaded yourself to buy this pathetic 'just a humble, god fearing redneck from alabamy' mythology that you probably paid a marketing company to write for you.
i'm not really trying to shut you down, i'd genuinely be interested in reading honest answers to these questions although i know at this point we will never get them from you.
...the something new for fallen is what and how we make what we do and the distribution is as tighter or tighter than anyone's in the industry. You seem like your smart, but to clarify, my point was that you can't reinvent the wheel. But, bro you really got me stumblin.
Like it or not, I'm giving you honest answers, probably not what you're looking for, but I'm not trying to be anyone, but who I am.
My point about Ben was that he's amazing and he works hard and does a good job, we value that, so we wanted to support him and his art. It was also to give us the chance to re-assess our style of distribution so we can could determine if' it's possible to change it for our other brands.
Ps. spit your shady shit or shut up.
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persuaded yourself to buy this pathetic 'just a humble, god fearing redneck from alabamy' mythology that you probably paid a marketing company to write for you.
^ haha this is perfect
they topped off his marketing package with a self-deprecating username because he's just so fucking down-to-earth
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unanswered question; why did you start a truck company that made trucks that you must have known were unnecessary at best and total shit at worst?
Didn't know they were unnecessary at the time, must have been naive. realized it was a shotty attempt at best so I cut my losses and asked to ride for what I thought was the best program. that was 3 years ago, I have no interest in trying again and I'll ride for Thunder until I can't roll.
are you saying you knowingly put shitty trucks on your completes?
is this you humbly contributing again?
I never said they were shitty, I said I realized the brand wasn't necessary.
I like your attempts at putting words in my mouth, but everyone can see through it.
We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
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persuaded yourself to buy this pathetic 'just a humble, god fearing redneck from alabamy' mythology that you probably paid a marketing company to write for you.
^ haha this is perfect
they topped off his marketing package with a self-deprecating username because he's just so fucking down-to-earth
I signed on as I SUCK!, cause that was the verdict. so I wanted to start there.
I don't think I suck, but I know a lot radder people.
that was then and I kept the name cause I would catch flack if I changed it and I really don't think it matters.
you know who I am.
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We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
ok, i will.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK)
your completes are more or as expensive as every other companies on here, so who's getting the money you save?
ah, the shops. of course, jamie.
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We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
ok, i will.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK)
your completes are more or as expensive as every other companies on here, so whose getting the money you save?
ah, the shops. of course, jamie.
good attempt, but we don't dicate what they sell them for. and it could be because our boards are made in mex vs. some being made in China. Also, the amount of completes we sell is minuscal, so the money your'e implying we're banking on isn't shit.
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We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
ok, i will.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK)
your completes are more or as expensive as every other companies on here, so whose getting the money you save?
ah, the shops. of course, jamie.
good attempt, but we don't dicate what they sell them for. and it could be because our boards are made in mex vs. some being made in China. Also, the amount of completes we sell is minuscal, so the money your'e implying we're banking on isn't shit.
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no, let's stay on this one,
just to get it straight. you're saying the shops pay less for your completes than other brands?
i'm going to check tomorrow, or maybe one of the shop owners on here can tell us.
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Holy fuck kid......
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I generally don't order completes but I always check out pricing. Black box complete pricing is neither noticeable higher or lower than anyone else who is selling same quality component completes. They offer quantity discounts around the holidays and often have older stuff off price. IMO they are average priced.but you do tend to get a little more for your money. some compaies put the lowest quality of everything on completes.
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We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
ok, i will.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK)
your completes are more or as expensive as every other companies on here, so whose getting the money you save?
ah, the shops. of course, jamie.
good attempt, but we don't dicate what they sell them for. and it could be because our boards are made in mex vs. some being made in China. Also, the amount of completes we sell is minuscal, so the money your'e implying we're banking on isn't shit.
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no, let's stay on this one,
just to get it straight. you're saying the shops pay less for your completes than other brands?
i'm going to check tomorrow, or maybe one of the shop owners on here can tell us.
again, with the words in the mouth,
just quote what I say rather than making up some new shit.
"We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less."
so the "Less" you're referring to is than if we were to use ventures, thunders and destructos.
"...and it could be because our boards are made in mex vs. some being made in China" this was to imply that other companies may be able to sell their completes for less than us.
becuase ventures, thunders and destructos cost us more than monster's, we haven't used them on completes other than for special occasions. We're about to start though, so we'll have to work out pricing.
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...considering how competitive the complete pricing game is, we'll probably have to offer them at the same price to shops as ones with monster's...and reduce the amount of the ones with Monster's.
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..."trial" is probably a better word than "debate."
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Isn't the whole point of completes that you get them for less, as in less than if you bought it all seperately? So comparing zero completes to other completes is pointless, since they are all selling them for cheaper. Completes are shitty from most brands. The point is it is for a beginner who is just getting into it. Santa Cruz puts shitty ass bullet wheels and some random trucks like "mack trucks" or some shit on them. Nobody complains though because we all have the option of paying a little more money and getting the good shit. For people who can't, companies come up with cheap shit that they can ride. Its actually not really a bad thing in any way. If a company offers nothing to the market, it will go out of business, so him starting a shitty truck company is really only the stockholders' problem.This isn't that complicated.
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We're gonna need financial statements and a declaration of net worth so we can all really get jealous of how much more wealthy is this redneck from Nowhere, AL who skates better than us all.
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Relax, Chief. No need to play defense. Point is you're succeeding—keep it up. You right—haters just be jealous is all.
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Jamie, you remember Trainwreck's first graphic? The Headless Horseman? That was 11 colors before heat transfers. That meant 11 passes on the screen printer and that shit was a bitch to get done. I thought the guy ripped but was such a douche. Then, this asshole wants 11 colors on his debut board? Now, Trainwreck is the dude guy that needs persecuting. All Jamie ever did was ok that graphic. Otherwise, what the fuck has he really done? Tell us the shady shit...
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You like tattoos man?
its my job
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Oh really? I was thinking about getting a tattoo of some little horses with flowers on the top of my left hand.
You wouldn't be able to help me out with that, would you?
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We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
ok, i will.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DKhttp://www.skatewarehouse.com/DKPreBuilt.HTML?Show=DK)
your completes are more or as expensive as every other companies on here, so whose getting the money you save?
ah, the shops. of course, jamie.
good attempt, but we don't dicate what they sell them for. and it could be because our boards are made in mex vs. some being made in China. Also, the amount of completes we sell is minuscal, so the money your'e implying we're banking on isn't shit.
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no, let's stay on this one,
just to get it straight. you're saying the shops pay less for your completes than other brands?
i'm going to check tomorrow, or maybe one of the shop owners on here can tell us.
why the fuck do you care?..there isnt a price difference btwn any of the diferent brands that ive noticed...i think the last time i saw a difference was when slicks were around...other then that its pretty much all the same (i take that back blind has those new whatever boards that are 5 dollars more, and some mullen shit is aparently 100 bucks)
are you in poverty?...does your job restrict you from buying the zero boards that you really want?..basically WHATS YOUR FUCKING POINT..sounds like you hate skateboarding or want some sort of handout.....nothing is free...and your basically bitching because it isnt..
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Oh really? I was thinking about getting a tattoo of some little horses with flowers on the top of my left hand.
You wouldn't be able to help me out with that, would you?
sure thats a good one
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I still don't understand why you were PM'ing me, but I take it that's a no?
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oh ya know just trying to see how i could help you...
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I want it to look exactly like this:
(http://www.picattic.com/files/oxc738ng6okc96ta1qn5.jpg)
Love,
Perfect Cock
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wow cool you know who i am....is that supposed to matter ?...i have my hands tattooed...point??
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Just a simple "yes" or "no" will do.
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i really dont know what your asking...
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Perfect Cock can you please change your fucking Signiture?
And whoever has the girl fingering herself too, some of try and visit the forum during work you assholes.
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you can just block signatures and avatars in your profile section.
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Tell us the shady shit...
he made ryan smith crook an 18 stair handrail! on his birthday! :'(
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you can just block signatures and avatars in your profile section.
just remove the giant signature pics assholes, like most people's sig's I like, why should i have to block all sigs because a few people want to have a giant picture of shit or a girl fingering herself as their signature?
skating pictures or whatever is cool, but if you want something vulgar or NSFW to impress all your dumb buddies, just link to it
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I don't know where we are in this thread, but for some reason, I'm actually starting to question if there's a line not to be crossed in the porn industry.
Read the product description.
http://jerkoffzone.com/jmcatalog/series.php?sid=82
THEY CARRY GUNS!!!
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unanswered question; why did you start a truck company that made trucks that you must have known were unnecessary at best and total shit at worst?
Didn't know they were unnecessary at the time, must have been naive. realized it was a shotty attempt at best so I cut my losses and asked to ride for what I thought was the best program. that was 3 years ago, I have no interest in trying again and I'll ride for Thunder until I can't roll.
are you saying you knowingly put shitty trucks on your completes?
is this you humbly contributing again?
I never said they were shitty, I said I realized the brand wasn't necessary.
I like your attempts at putting words in my mouth, but everyone can see through it.
We put Monster's on our completes because we get them for less factory direct so we can sell our completes for less.
They are decent (i rode them for years) and made in the US in case you're wondering.
keep trying.
Maybe you should have them made in China (or Taiwan, where the labor costs little more but is still low) if you can translate the savings to the consumer. As long as the materials and geometries of the truck are ok, kids won't associate the brand with being inferior. You could also place a "Pay no more than..." sticker on assembled completes like Dischord does on records to keep the retailer from jacking up the price.
Otherwise, new (i.e. non-Ermico) truck companies should address some of the shortcomings of current trucks: shoddy craftmanship, bent axles, fragile baseplates, or designing an inverted kingpin that works. If they don't offer improvements and they're not cheaper, they shouldn't exist.
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I translated Clyde's post. Just wasted 30 minutes I'll never get back. Feel free to make corrections:
Now, before proceeding further, I would like to address an important issue. Recently, I had written an editorial assignment for Transworld entitled “10 Reasons to Hate Ryan Sheckler.” While the literal meaning of this title may suggest that I concur with the general consensus, I implore you to thoroughly read this article before drawing such conclusions.
However, it seems that my colleague Jamie Thomas has formed a different opinion of Mr. Sheckler. From my understanding, Mr. Thomas believes Ryan Sheckler is/has been “ruining skateboarding” [source not confirmed]. Please excuse me while I attempt to refrain from laughter.
[I could not translate this next sentence] ”Young Money got yall out here, hatin talkin like Plies.! what da fokk, is this dude even talm'kin bout?!! now before i say this, i want everyone to know- Jamie and i go back like whyte bishes, with no ass.”
[continues] Mr. Thomas, I believe your character and demeanor to be pleasant. But I believe your position on this matter to be incorrect. With all due respect, if you can not see how your preference for handrails, drawn-out 50-50s, long hair, limited trick selection, and 4 minutes of the same pronounced 5 tricks have ruined the cultural significance of skateboarding, then perhaps you are humoring me. You may interpret my criticisms as subjective, rather, I am presenting the truth.
A child on television does not sway enough influence to “ruin” skateboarding. He does, on the other hand, wield the power to improve it. The older skateboarders who complain about the younger generation more specifically represent the source of skateboarding's destruction. A perfect analogy would be the west coast jazz treatment. Let me delve into further detail. If you have followed jazz's prominence, you would be know the musical talent of the Western United States has been seemingly non-existent since Chet Baker's demise. The same older musicians have reigned the scene. And when new talent begins to gain patronage, the older ones show discontent.
[the remainder seems fairly intelligible]
“Thomas' attitude could stem from the same flack he was catching when he was blowing up on the scene, back in the mid-[']90's. so to "embrace" anything "new" could be quite foreign. but to act like YOU didn't notice the "change" you brought skateboarding(either positive, or negative), is like calling the kettle black. i just wanted to touch up on that..[.] i wish both these guys good luck moving forward, but Jamie- you [are] dead wrong for this one..[.] leave that kid be, and concentrate more on sending ya [sic] riders "trick lists", and what clothes to wear while doing said tricks. no "beef". just the truth like Sojourner [sic]..[.]”
Original blog:
"now.. before i get going any further. id like to address suhn'tin. recently, I'd dropped some editorial piFF titled, "10 Reasons to Hate Ryan Sheckler" in Transworld(while it may seem to be one thing, you might wanna read it before any of you clowns think im on "your side") well, it seems as if my man Jamie Thomas has a different taste towards ole Shecks.. from what i understand, Jamie thinks Ryan Sheckler is/has been "ruining skteboarding". hold on.. bwahahahahahahahahahhaahah! man. Young Money got yall out here, hatin talkin like Plies.! what da fokk, is this dude even talm'kin bout?!! now before i say this, i want everyone to know- Jamie and i go back like whyte bishes, with no ass. moving on. Jamie. I think you're a cool guy- but you waaaaaaaaaaaaay outta line here, fam. With all due respect, if you cant see how the "handrail/drawn out 50-50/long hair-minimal trick/4 minutes of the same, loud 5 tricks" phase RUINED skateboarding- YOU'D have to be kidding me. take it as you may, but thats the truth. a KID on tv, cant "ruin" skateboarding. actually- he could make it BETTER. its the older guys who complain about these younger cats, is whats REALLY ruining skateboarding. its basically- the whole "west coast hip-hop" treatment. and lemme explain that. if you follow hip-hop, you know theres been next to NO new talent coming out the west coast SINCE '96. same old dudes, hogging up the scene. and when someone new comes through- the older heads wanna "hate". NOW. im sure Mr. Thomas' attitude could stem from the same flack he was catching when he was blowing up on the scene, back in the mid-90's. so to "embrace" anything "new" could be quite foreign. but to act like YOU didn't notice the "change" you brought skateboarding(either positive, or negative), is like calling the kettle black. i just wanted to touch up on that.. i wish both these guys good luck moving forward, but Jamie- you dead wrong for this one.. leave that kid be, and concentrate more on sending ya riders "trick lists", and what clothes to wear while doing said tricks. no "beef". just the truth like Soljourner.."
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I dare you to add that person on Myspace, and watch him re-invent the wheel in your bulletin window.
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people care a little bit too much in here.....
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i'm here for the gangbang?
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Tell us the shady shit...
he made ryan smith crook an 18 stair handrail! on his birthday! :'(
you got a mixed up rumor.
nandez is to thank for the crook.
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Cervantes said in an interview that you made him skate something, he got a trick and wanted to go home, but you made him go to one more spot.... seems a little crazy, but in the end I guess it gets shit done and he didn't dislike you for it...
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Cervantes said in an interview that you made him skate something, he got a trick and wanted to go home, but you made him go to one more spot.... seems a little crazy, but in the end I guess it gets shit done and he didn't dislike you for it...
Yeah, but that wasn't pushed or anything, Tony said he was filming for a part
and after that last trick he got on the team
I still got that issue, some am edition of tws I think
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Holy shit how stupid is Clyde Singleton?
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zero has nothing to do with the retail pricing on a board/complete, they're wholesalers.
XYZ company offers a standard wholesale price on boards/completes to their direct accounts(i.e. joes skateshop). the shop marks it up however much they think they can get. the price depends on the rent, the neighborhood, cost of living and other various factors that effect the shops margin.
XYZ company offers a standard wholesale price on board/completes to their distributors(i.e. eastern). the distributors get better pricing since they buy in bulk, then they mark it up(usually a small mark up since they're a volume business) and sell it to their direct accounts(i.e. janes skateshop). from there, the retailer sets their asking price....whatever he/she so chooses.
no skate company(or any company for that matter) really has a say when it comes to retail pricing.
sure theres a MSRP(manufacturers suggested retail price) but that doesn't really mean squat.
wholesalers are wholesalers, retailers and are retailers, they are not one in the same.
theres a lot of stupid people on this site that need to go to school, stay in school or at least take a business class so they have some clue as to what they're talking about. ::)
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theres a lot of stupid people on this site that need to go to school, stay in school or at least take a business class so they have some clue as to what they're talking about. ::)
take a business class?
don't you run a skateshop from your bedroom?
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zero has nothing to do with the retail pricing on a board/complete, they're wholesalers.
XYZ company offers a standard wholesale price on boards/completes to their direct accounts(i.e. joes skateshop). the shop marks it up however much they think they can get. the price depends on the rent, the neighborhood, cost of living and other various factors that effect the shops margin.
XYZ company offers a standard wholesale price on board/completes to their distributors(i.e. eastern). the distributors get better pricing since they buy in bulk, then they mark it up(usually a small mark up since they're a volume business) and sell it to their direct accounts(i.e. janes skateshop). from there, the retailer sets their asking price....whatever he/she so chooses.
no skate company(or any company for that matter) really has a say when it comes to retail pricing.
sure theres a MSRP(manufacturers suggested retail price) but that doesn't really mean squat.
wholesalers are wholesalers, retailers and are retailers, they are not one in the same.
theres a lot of stupid people on this site that need to go to school, stay in school or at least take a business class so they have some clue as to what they're talking about. ::)
AGREED
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Is there going to be a follow-up to that magazine article?
And who the hell doesn't try to convince their friends to try something gnarly, or push them a bit?
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theres a lot of stupid people on this site that need to go to school, stay in school or at least take a business class so they have some clue as to what they're talking about. ::)
take a business class?
don't you run a skateshop from your bedroom?
yeah business class, so you don't come across as clueless like you've managed to do throughout this thread and repeatedly throughout this site.
yeah my bedroom. ::) try livingroom buddy, i got a 2 bedroom apt in NYC and live by myself so why the heck not?
kids had nowhere to turn to get boards so i set it up shop in my living room so they didn't have spend $4 to take a train 100+ blocks to get ripped off at blades.
on top of trying to be a positive role model to the kids here, i also spend my time working with non-profit organizations and have donated dozens of skateboards(completes) to under privileged inner city kids. i'm trying to do something positive for the kids and keep me and everyone around my neighborhood skating.
what have you done for skating? in skating? or for people in general?
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OHHHHHHHHH!!!
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wtf faster! i thought you were some euro scum?!
I guess you just hate america.
And freedom.
Fries.
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wtf faster! i thought you were some euro scum?!
I guess you just hate america.
And freedom.
Fries.
euro scum? i've never even been to europe.
i hate america? no. i hate stupid people and a lot of them happen to be americans
i also happen to live here so i'd see more stupid amerians more so than lets say, stupid south africans.
i hate freedom? wrong again buddy.
i hate the abuse of freedom and the "privleges" we have that people confuse with "rights".
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DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?!?!?
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theres a lot of stupid people on this site that need to go to school, stay in school or at least take a business class so they have some clue as to what they're talking about. ::)
take a business class?
don't you run a skateshop from your bedroom?
yeah business class, so you don't come across as clueless like you've managed to do throughout this thread and repeatedly throughout this site.
yeah my bedroom. ::) try livingroom buddy, i got a 2 bedroom apt in NYC and live by myself so why the heck not?
kids had nowhere to turn to get boards so i set it up shop in my living room so they didn't have spend $4 to take a train 100+ blocks to get ripped off at blades.
on top of trying to be a positive role model to the kids here, i also spend my time working with non-profit organizations and have donated dozens of skateboards(completes) to under privileged inner city kids. i'm trying to do something positive for the kids and keep me and everyone around my neighborhood skating.
what have you done for skating? in skating? or for people in general?
DING DING DING! We have a winner!
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Go Faster!
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DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?!?!?
the real question you should be asking yourself is.....
DO YOU THINK ANYONE CARES?!?!?
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DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?!?!?
the real question you should be asking yourself is.....
DO YOU THINK ANYONE CARES?!?!?
do you really think hes serious man?
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wtf faster! i thought you were some euro scum?!
I guess you just hate america.
And freedom.
Fries.
euro scum? i've never even been to europe.
i hate america? no. i hate stupid people and a lot of them happen to be americans
i also happen to live here so i'd see more stupid amerians more so than lets say, stupid south africans.
i hate freedom? wrong again buddy.
i hate the abuse of freedom and the "privleges" we have that people confuse with "rights".
bill of privleges?
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wtf faster! i thought you were some euro scum?!
I guess you just hate america.
And freedom.
Fries.
euro scum? i've never even been to europe.
i hate america? no. i hate stupid people and a lot of them happen to be americans
i also happen to live here so i'd see more stupid amerians more so than lets say, stupid south africans.
i hate freedom? wrong again buddy.
i hate the abuse of freedom and the "privleges" we have that people confuse with "rights".
bill of privleges?
ha!
i hear people are say, "i have the right to..., i have the right to walk here, skate here, drive here, i can do whatever i want whenever i want its a free country." when nothing could be further from the truth. most everything in this country is a privlege and i find people mistaking the 2 more often than not. thats just my perspective not a fact.
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If he didn't make the trick would you have gotten him an Assistant Manager job at one of your Sonics?
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yep, that was the deal.
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zero completes would be radder if they had those awesome Element trucks on em.
or some Krepers.
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Wait, you actually own a Sonic Restuarant?
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nah, i think it's an implication that I'm all about money or entrepreneurism/capitalism.
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Ohhhh, Ok.
Well, you've worked hard, payed dues and shit, you deserve whatever success you get.
Any good stories from the early Zero days? Any Greco stories?
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nah, i think it's an implication that I'm all about money or entrepreneurism/capitalism.
nah, it's a reference to a petition thread that bizarro gub started:
http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=24447.0
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theres a lot of stupid people on this site that need to go to school, stay in school or at least take a business class so they have some clue as to what they're talking about. ::)
take a business class?
don't you run a skateshop from your bedroom?
yeah business class, so you don't come across as clueless like you've managed to do throughout this thread and repeatedly throughout this site.
i wasn't really trying to drop knowledge about the complete skateboard market to the level you went to, just show people that jamie thomas is clearly and demonstrably a repeat self-aggrandising liar.
yeah my bedroom. ::) try livingroom buddy, i got a 2 bedroom apt in NYC and live by myself so why the heck not?
woah, your living room. i stand corrected. your business skills and knowledge are obviously top fucking notch.
kids had nowhere to turn to get boards so i set it up shop in my living room so they didn't have spend $4 to take a train 100+ blocks to get ripped off at blades.
i can picture the scene right now, kids in new york with literally no where to turn and no way of getting hold of a skateboard, quitting by the hour. suddenly along comes creepy uncle faster to save the day by taking them up to the living room of his 2 bed bachelor pad.
on top of trying to be a positive role model to the kids here, i also spend my time working with non-profit organizations and have donated dozens of skateboards(completes) to under privileged inner city kids. i'm trying to do something positive for the kids and keep me and everyone around my neighborhood skating.
that's pretty much the funniest thing i've ever read, you sound like a very nice and extremely grounded young man with a perfectly health and natural interest in 'the kids'.
what have you done for skating? in skating? or for people in general?
nothing, except doing a lot of skateboarding but that was for me really, i'm not sure it's even possible to do something for 'skateboarding' but opening a fucking crappy excuse for a shop certainly isn't doing much.
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kids had nowhere to turn to get boards so i set it up shop in my living room so they didn't have spend $4 to take a train 100+ blocks to get ripped off at blades.
i can picture the scene right now, kids in new york with literally no where to turn and way of getting hold of a skateboard, quitting by the hour. suddenly along comes creepy uncle faster to save the day by taking them up to the living room of his 2 bed bachelor pad.
lol
I'm down to check out your "shop" faster!
PM me directions, I'll even bring baxter.
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ohhhhtisbdriftwood you are being a fucking douchebag faggot
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ohhhhtisbdriftwood you are being a fucking douchebag faggot
i second that motion
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Singleton sold out. He gets payed to talk shit in a magazine, and his shit talking isn't even up to par with the shit talking that goes on here on the boards. I've never seen a video with Clyde Singleton in it, maybe Minority Report or some shit but I wasen't paying attention to him.
Clyde, go take your money out of the ATM that you got payed to back Sheckler and shove it up your ass. Talking like your "keeping it real." You ain't keeping shit real, you gotta eat and thats fine, but have some fucking self dignity because you know just like every legit skateboarder out there that Sheckler is wack as frogs hair.
I'd flip burgers at Wendys anyday over being someones bitch.
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Apparently Zoo York was also keeping Clyde back from attending Grade 9 English too.
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Apparently Zoo York was also keeping Clyde back from attending Grade 9 English too.
hahaha, thats gotta hurt. that dude sucks at announcing things too, hes so abnoxious. "you know who it is"
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I love how he "keeps it real" by intentional typing things incorrectly.
Yeah he sold out, but he wasn't all that great before.
And his announcing is just "yeah boy!" about 2,000 times in a row.
He was the TK before TK, even with the "oh shit I only have 3 tricks....crooked grind, variel heel and noseslide......hmmm......oh shit! fakie! fakie crooks! fakie variel heel! genius! erm...I mean...DAT SHIT IS STRAIGHT HOOD NUGGA YEAH !"
Fuck you Clyde.
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Nah doode, on tha real walkie talkie he be keepin that shiz mad fresh.
Anyone can type some shit like a person and use dumb ass slang.
Clyde WHERE YOU AT DAWWWG. Lemme see your famed shit talkin' at its best cause honestly, that shit on your blog? Weak. :'(
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Ryan Sheckler skates better than Clyde Singleton.
Fact.
Jamie Thomas skates better than Clyde SIngleton.
Fact.
Even my friends regular cousin skates better than Clyde Singleton and he´s only got one leg and a brain half the size of a dog. And still he has better writing skills and seems more mature. And he´s just 13 years old. Sometimes he pees in his pants but that's cool because he wears diapers and it makes him smile and giggle.
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I don't give a shit how well people can skate, kookage has nothing to do with skating ability. Sheckler and apparently Singleton just don't get it.
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I don't think you guys realize that clyde is responsible for one of the greatest tre flips ever caught on film. Also, It's pretty funny that you guys are getting on him for stating that Jamie Thomas is responsible for making the type of skating you guys hate popular.
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Ryan Sheckler skates better than Clyde Singleton.
Fact.
Jamie Thomas skates better than Clyde SIngleton.
Fact.
Shiloh Greathouse skates better than Clyde Singleton.
Fact.
Does Clyde get money from redbull too? A friend of mine said he did.
If true any argument he has translates into:
"I like Sheckler because he makes my redbull checks bigger"
or
"I hate on people who dislike Sheckler because they fuck with my money."
And child, what tre flip do you speak of?
Love it or hate it, Jamie's video parts have changed skating, Clyde's parts haven't changed shit. For Clyde to act like Jamie should be licking his boots is out of pocket.
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Love it or hate it, Jamie's video parts have changed skating, Clyde's parts haven't changed shit. For Clyde to act like Jamie should be licking his boots is out of pocket.
Clydes parts haven't changed shit because nobody wants to watch his shit. Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding. His royalty checks from board sales must be "SLOW" this time of year, or this decade. Who knows...
And 1 last thing, atleast Jamie has the balls to come on here and take shit from everyone and answer questions. He might not be my favorite skateboarder or person, but atleast he has my respect, and everyone elses for that matter.
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I'd like everyone to know that Jamie Thomas and Clyde Singleton are really the same person, just throwing opposite tricks to confuse this board.
Clyde is all about noseslides, Jamie all about bs lipslides.
Jamie is all about forcing white people with bad style down our throats ( Garrett Hill ), Clyde is all about forcing black people with bad style down our throats ( Kevin Taylor ).
Jamie promotes Vegetarians, and Clyde promotes serving fried chicken in Helmets.
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Kevin Taylor bad style? really?
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Kevin Taylor bad style? really?
I love the trick selection...but his knees almost knock together on every trick. Also every now and then he gets a "Felix". 0:22, 0:49, 1:09, 1:54.
Also I don't believe there was a single line in that entire part.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_dIEbLwb9kc
*edit for more "felix" examples*
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It seems Mr. faster!'s business education consists of Tyrone's seminars. Does this retail model look familiar?
Tyrone Cisero's "skateshop" serving way uptown Bay Area.
Spitfire's $10, Thunders $20.
PM me if you have crack to trade for hardgoods!
(http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2008/Dlx_Thief/photo5.jpg)
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I'd flip burgers at Wendys anyday over being someones bitch.
If you were really given these choices you might reconsider. I know I would try to prolong my "skate career" by running my mouth in magazines and taking Redbull money if I were him.
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Kevin Taylor bad style? really?
Yeah i gotta back you on this Kevin Taylor has good style, nice dude to.
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
despite that he's an idiot and something of a money grabbing whore.
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It seems Mr. faster!'s business education consists of Tyrone's seminars. Does this retail model look familiar?
ha! not really dude. i used to just have a stack of boards and some random shit about.
now, i try to make my spot look somewhat nice. its not really the dope setup or anything but it works for me.
my ghetto living room shop...
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9238/image194bc6.jpg)
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7051/image192oj7.jpg)
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dont hate on kt
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Clyde, what's with you making pee pee on everyone's couches?
That stories making more rounds up there, than Duffel's chick with the dick.
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It seems Mr. faster!'s business education consists of Tyrone's seminars. Does this retail model look familiar?
ha! not really dude. i used to just have a stack of boards and some random shit about.
now, i try to make my spot look somewhat nice. its not really the dope setup or anything but it works for me.
my ghetto living room shop...
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9238/image194bc6.jpg)
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7051/image192oj7.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4084/image193ox2.jpg)
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throw a sneaker rack in there with some SB's nd you got yourself a modern day botique skateshop
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even an indian kid living in the jungle could write better english than that dude. his TSM column was funny, well sometimes, but since the jump to tws.. guess his final salary was a kick in the head
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Maybe Clyde's trying to make a 'power' move to be Sheckles manager.
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not gonna happen......unless ryan is clydes love child....have to say that ryan seems a little smarter than clyde though
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It seems Mr. faster!'s business education consists of Tyrone's seminars. Does this retail model look familiar?
ha! not really dude. i used to just have a stack of boards and some random shit about.
now, i try to make my spot look somewhat nice. its not really the dope setup or anything but it works for me.
my ghetto living room shop...
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9238/image194bc6.jpg)
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7051/image192oj7.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4084/image193ox2.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3691/image190kb4.jpg)
Need a manager? Ash tray on the coffee table means I can smoke cigs and grip boards at the same time. Your shop does look like a boutique style shop. I'd work there. I'll help you get some shoe/clothing accounts.
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
despite that he's an idiot and something of a money grabbing whore.
This is just regular. The only reason I don't have you on ignore is sometimes you point out how stupid people are being when they say shit like this. "second best fs heelflip ever?" What is that shit? You got a list? Even if you are that lame, you are wrong. Fs heelflips are for people who suck too much to do a frontside flip and want to do a fliptrick frontside. Why you would brag about how awesome somebody is at that trick is beyond me. And who is the 1st bestest frontside heelflipper anyway? Who else does such a heinous trick
On top of that, you can not compare his 360 flips to people like Josh Kalis or Lucas Puig, who actually do have some of the best 3 flips ever.
The dude is a kook. fakie noseslides and tailslides are lame no matter how many times you do them. Heelflips suck when most people (including Clyde) do them, and that pretty much covers every trick he has ever done.
Clyde, if you read this, you are a perfect example of how this kid is so toxic, if you associate with him, you lose too.
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hey guyz, i like heelflips.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uFSfspmow
if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
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ha! not really dude. i used to just have a stack of boards and some random shit about.
now, i try to make my spot look somewhat nice. its not really the dope setup or anything but it works for me.
my ghetto living room shop...
maybe one day but its hard to open shoe accounts when you have a real store, so i could only imagine how difficult it would be for me and my apt shop....they'd probably just laugh at me.
Need a manager? Ash tray on the coffee table means I can smoke cigs and grip boards at the same time. Your shop does look like a boutique style shop. I'd work there. I'll help you get some shoe/clothing accounts.
sure if you want to work for free! and no cigarette smoking in my house, the ashtray is for weed only. :D
hopefully i can find a studio apt around my hood for around $1K, i'm not trying to get a retail location for $6K and break myself to make my landlord rich you know. thats about all i'm willing to spend on rent given my pricing, then i'll look into carrying some clothes and shoes.
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Your OPINION is that he rode for two of the best companies ever...and that he did one of the best 360 flips ever. Theres LITERALLY 1,000's of kids out there that throw down amazing 3 flips daily. They could all be considered "THE BEST"
Youre an ignorant bastard for making such bullshit claims. and the second best fs heel? Give me a fucking break, you can't classify a trick someone does as the best ever. Theres always gonna be the next person throwing down harder, bigger, and faster.
If he did the best this and that, then it would be a general concensus that it was the best. Shane Cross' nosegrind el toro. The best ever because nobody else did it first try...Clyde hasen't done shit for the skateboard community other than back one of the worst people ever to grace the industry.
Think before you spit out bullshit next time buddy...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uFSfspmow
if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
you gotta admit, that front heel was potent
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nah, i think it's an implication that I'm all about money or entrepreneurism/capitalism.
nah, it's a reference to a petition thread that bizarro gub started:
http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=24447.0
Yeah, I don't care about skateboard industry politics or whatever people allege about your business pratices or team managing or whatever they bitch to you on here about. I just like the idea of you opening up some Sonics around here.
And like someone commented later on, you can use the cooking oil to power a fleet of biodiesel touring vehicles so the Mystery team can travel around and solve actual mysteries. Like what if there's some poor guy who owns an amusement park, but no goes there because everyone thinks it haunted? Well how about the mystery team shows up and figures out that the hauntings are reallybeing perpetrated by some greedy land owner trying to drive the amusement park out of business so he can build more Target stores and Starbucks on the land?
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nah, i think it's an implication that I'm all about money or entrepreneurism/capitalism.
nah, it's a reference to a petition thread that bizarro gub started:
http://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=24447.0
Yeah, I don't care about skateboard industry politics or whatever people allege about your business pratices or team managing or whatever they bitch to you on here about. I just like the idea of you opening up some Sonics around here.
And like someone commented later on, you can use the cooking oil to power a fleet of biodiesel touring vehicles so the Mystery team can travel around and solve actual mysteries. Like what if there's some poor guy who owns an amusement park, but no goes there because everyone thinks it haunted? Well how about the mystery team shows up and figures out that the hauntings are reallybeing perpetrated by some greedy land owner trying to drive the amusement park out of business so he can build more Target stores and Starbucks on the land?
WTF? Clyde and Sheckles are responsible for closing down my local amusement park for more Targets and Starbucks?! Those Dicks!!
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
despite that he's an idiot and something of a money grabbing whore.
Acme and Vision?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uFSfspmow
if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
Dill is at his peak, Gino could shit blood on my face and I would enjoy watching it, Marcus, shit, Marcus is sick. When I think of Clyde being whack, I think of the bullshit he put out in this part. Fakie this, fakie that, ewww. Trilogy is sick,and Clyde was LUCKY he had enough PERSONALITY for them to include him on the team as the cute little mascot.
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That frontheel in that part looked like shit, so I guess I shouldn't be riding a skateboard.
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Gipper,
I'm going to penetrate your face.
(http://www.picattic.com/files/5uxpjuldlh11nq2yjh9a.jpg)
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
despite that he's an idiot and something of a money grabbing whore.
you're right, i meant third best.
one and two are gino iannucci in snuff, santa monica ponds and venice sand gaps.
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It seems Mr. faster!'s business education consists of Tyrone's seminars. Does this retail model look familiar?
ha! not really dude. i used to just have a stack of boards and some random shit about.
now, i try to make my spot look somewhat nice. its not really the dope setup or anything but it works for me.
my ghetto living room shop...
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9238/image194bc6.jpg)
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7051/image192oj7.jpg)
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4084/image193ox2.jpg)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3691/image190kb4.jpg)
Much respect man, keep on keepin on....
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Your OPINION is that he rode for two of the best companies ever...and that he did one of the best 360 flips ever. Theres LITERALLY 1,000's of kids out there that throw down amazing 3 flips daily. They could all be considered "THE BEST"
Youre an ignorant bastard for making such bullshit claims. and the second best fs heel? Give me a fucking break, you can't classify a trick someone does as the best ever. Theres always gonna be the next person throwing down harder, bigger, and faster.
If he did the best this and that, then it would be a general concensus that it was the best. Shane Cross' nosegrind el toro. The best ever because nobody else did it first try...Clyde hasen't done shit for the skateboard community other than back one of the worst people ever to grace the industry.
Think before you spit out bullshit next time buddy...
I'll say this: while those 1000's of kids are busting out nice tre flips daily, you have to put in to context when Clyde threw his down. Most of those kids were wearing diapers.
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who the fuck cares of clyde singleton had good tricks or not, the dude is a fucking kook. it dosnt matter who you are, if your moron then your a moron. look at bastien, look at sheckler. people hate those guys cuz they're so into them selves its disgusting. take his OAKLEY ad he had. didnt that make you want to puke? its about the personality that makes a person, not his 3 bomb or his dewtour winning backside flip. JT understands that, and thats why he came onto this board to defend himself, unlike those self claimed jocks *cough* i mean skateboarders
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*cough* stop posting
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I don't give a fuck when Clyde did his trick? He isn't any more O.G. than anyone else? There was someone before him, and there will be someone after him. Theres VERY few who can lay claim to being the first. And the only thing Clyde can lay claim to being the first at, is sucking Shecklers dick.
Fuck people who claim to be better than others because they've been around longer. Respect is hard to come by, and it sure as hell isn't gonna be given by me, just because your parents fucked first.
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I don't even think clyde "likes" sheckler, he just pointed out some reasons why you guys hate on him. You guys are just angry at him, for not harboring the same hatred you guys have for him.
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Maybe Clyde's trying to make a 'power' move to be Sheckles manager.
thinking of this actually happening reminds me of when i was 10 and watched WWF.
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3:01 and 4:14 = 2 best fs heels ever. just sayin...
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who the fuck cares of clyde singleton had good tricks or not, the dude is a fucking kook.
WOO-HAH!
Say that to his face and I promise Clyde would smack dat azz up. Stupid!
Dude is a fuckin legend and ran fakie tricks on rails baaaaaack in the day. His blog is the best in skateboarding and unlike most pros or skate "personalities" dude is actually interesting.
You cannot diss. How old are you anyway? Fuck kids today keep getting dumber.
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Who does Clyde even skate for? Or is he "retired?" Maybe thats why hes dick riding.
well yeah.. he is retired, i don't know why you'd put that in quotes but anyway he did ride for two of the best companies ever, do one of the best 360 flips ever and the second best fs heelflip ever.
Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Your OPINION is that he rode for two of the best companies ever...and that he did one of the best 360 flips ever. Theres LITERALLY 1,000's of kids out there that throw down amazing 3 flips daily. They could all be considered "THE BEST"
Youre an ignorant bastard for making such bullshit claims. and the second best fs heel? Give me a fucking break, you can't classify a trick someone does as the best ever. Theres always gonna be the next person throwing down harder, bigger, and faster.
If he did the best this and that, then it would be a general concensus that it was the best. Shane Cross' nosegrind el toro. The best ever because nobody else did it first try...Clyde hasen't done shit for the skateboard community other than back one of the worst people ever to grace the industry.
Think before you spit out bullshit next time buddy...
You mean "I was wearing diapers." He's not Jason Lee.
And I think the point still remains that for Clyde Singletrick to call somebody out for having a limitted trick selection is like a pornstar calling somebody a slut.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uFSfspmow
if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
alot of assumption in there gipper. i thought teachers knew that assuming makes an "ass of u and me."
people can do frontside heels or any other trick without your voice of god like judgment.
sorry man. this is skateboarding. not your classroom.
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I think frontside heels can be fucking sick sometimes i.e. Dustin Dollin's
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I think frontside heels can be fucking sick sometimes i.e. Dustin Dollin's
& pete eldridge
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who the fuck cares of clyde singleton had good tricks or not, the dude is a fucking kook.
WOO-HAH!
Say that to his face and I promise Clyde would smack dat azz up. Stupid!
Dude is a fuckin legend and ran fakie tricks on rails baaaaaack in the day. His blog is the best in skateboarding and unlike most pros or skate "personalities" dude is actually interesting.
You cannot diss. How old are you anyway? Fuck kids today keep getting dumber.
im 18 and wouldnt talk to clyde singleton anyways. i already know out converstion will be about bacon, lil wayne, and about shecks. all of which i hate. i woudlnt want to steal all his man juice from you anyways. nice try buddy.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uFSfspmow
if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
alot of assumption in there gipper. i thought teachers knew that assuming makes an "ass of u and me."
people can do frontside heels or any other trick without your voice of god like judgment.
sorry man. this is skateboarding. not your classroom.
What am I assuming? You didn't even quote what I said. You probably are trying to attack my opinion, which is that frontside heelflips are stupid and ugly. That is my opinion, not a fact. I am not assuming that my opinion is that frontside heelflips are ugly as all hell, I know my opinion is that frontside heelflips are ugly as all hell. And thank you for saying I have a strong writing voice. Good writing shouldn't include crap like "I think" or "in my opinion." We all know it is what you think, or that it is your opinion, only morons would assume somebody else thought something you wrote, or that a judgment you have is not an opinion you have.
People can do whatever tricks they want, but if they are pro, being paid to do tricks for the entertainmment of the skateboard buying public, then a skaters trick selection is totally fair game.
People can do pressure flips, one footed 1080 ground spins, willy grinds, or whatever cheesy ass trick they want, but they better be prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame. Front heels are cheesy.
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
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i think, in my opinion, what The Gipper is trying to say is he can't do heelflips. ;D
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i think, in my opinion, what The Gipper is trying to say is he can't do heelflips. ;D
In my opinion, it is possible for me to do heelflips. I thought that heelflips weren't very fun, and in my opinion were an ugly trick. Now I limit it to mostly switch heel variations. I think I wish I could do backside heels, but alas, in my opinion I can't do them anymore. I'm sure if you gave me about a half hour I could relearn proper heelflips and front heels, but that would be a wasted half hour, in my opinion.
Its funny how Jamie usually comes on and smoothes out any supposed beefs with other skaters he has. When people talked shit on Sheckler on here for talking bad on Jamie he said they talked, and that he considers Ryan a friend now. He hasn't said a fucking word to tell people to take it easy on Clyde, or that they have worked shit out.
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clyde hasn't even responded on his own blog. i figured he would have gone off by now, but he has stayed oddly silent...
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Why should any of these dudes feel the need to explain themselves to us?
It would only add fuel to the fire anyway.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3uFSfspmow
if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
alot of assumption in there gipper. i thought teachers knew that assuming makes an "ass of u and me."
people can do frontside heels or any other trick without your voice of god like judgment.
sorry man. this is skateboarding. not your classroom.
People can do whatever tricks they want, but if they are pro, being paid to do tricks for the entertainmment of the skateboard buying public, then a skaters trick selection is totally fair game.
People can do pressure flips, one footed 1080 ground spins, willy grinds, or whatever cheesy ass trick they want, but they better be prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame. Front heels are cheesy.
i didn't even quote what you said. yet somehow you figured it out.
why is any trick lame? if it's fun for some kid in brazil to do "one footed 1080 ground spins" before he has to go home to his one bedroom apartment which his whole fam lives in, why should that kid be "prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame." are you listening to yourself? i don't understand your logic. if it's fun, why worry what anyone else thinks? skateboarding, right? just checking. isn't there bigger problems in the world that kid should be "prepared to face."
"prepared to face" sounds like the next mike v. documentary.
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Why should any of these dudes feel the need to explain themselves to us?
It would only add fuel to the fire anyway.
its just that Clyde is a shit talker and i figured he'd be quick to jump on someone that called him out the way JT did.
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
I thought that was Greco fora second.
And Mess, that little kid in Brazil doing 1080 spins is in it for fun. Not the paycheck like Clyde. And yes I'll say it again, Hes backing Sheckler...
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if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
alot of assumption in there gipper. i thought teachers knew that assuming makes an "ass of u and me."
people can do frontside heels or any other trick without your voice of god like judgment.
sorry man. this is skateboarding. not your classroom.
People can do whatever tricks they want, but if they are pro, being paid to do tricks for the entertainmment of the skateboard buying public, then a skaters trick selection is totally fair game.
People can do pressure flips, one footed 1080 ground spins, willy grinds, or whatever cheesy ass trick they want, but they better be prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame. Front heels are cheesy.
i didn't even quote what you said. yet somehow you figured it out.
why is any trick lame? if it's fun for some kid in brazil to do "one footed 1080 ground spins" before he has to go home to his one bedroom apartment which his whole fam lives in, why should that kid be "prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame." are you listening to yourself? i don't understand your logic. if it's fun, why worry what anyone else thinks? skateboarding, right? just checking. isn't there bigger problems in the world that kid should be "prepared to face."
"prepared to face" sounds like the next mike v. documentary.
You clearly referenced frontside 180 heelflips, I only made one post about that, and I am not regular, so yeah, I figured it out.
Some tricks are lame because they look like shit. They are ugly and don't look good. Do you like certain tricks more than others? Conversely, that means you like some tricks less than others. I can tell when a trick looks good, and when one looks bad. I'm not going to act like some kindergarten teacher and tell you all tricks are special and unique little snowflakes. Some are easy, stupid, and ugly. regular footed frontside heels are one of them.
A kid in brazil can do whatever trick he wants, as long as he is having fun, but as soon as you cross the line into the sponsorship realm, and want people to support you simply because you are good at skating, you better be capable of good skating that is fun to watch.
I don't see how you see the difference between a kid in Brazil skating for fun, and an over the hill ex-pro skater trying to milk it by talking shit on legit skaters, but there is a huge one.
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if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
alot of assumption in there gipper. i thought teachers knew that assuming makes an "ass of u and me."
people can do frontside heels or any other trick without your voice of god like judgment.
sorry man. this is skateboarding. not your classroom.
People can do whatever tricks they want, but if they are pro, being paid to do tricks for the entertainmment of the skateboard buying public, then a skaters trick selection is totally fair game.
People can do pressure flips, one footed 1080 ground spins, willy grinds, or whatever cheesy ass trick they want, but they better be prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame. Front heels are cheesy.
i didn't even quote what you said. yet somehow you figured it out.
why is any trick lame? if it's fun for some kid in brazil to do "one footed 1080 ground spins" before he has to go home to his one bedroom apartment which his whole fam lives in, why should that kid be "prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame." are you listening to yourself? i don't understand your logic. if it's fun, why worry what anyone else thinks? skateboarding, right? just checking. isn't there bigger problems in the world that kid should be "prepared to face."
"prepared to face" sounds like the next mike v. documentary.
Some tricks are lame because they look like shit. They are ugly and don't look good. Do you like certain tricks more than others? Conversely, that means you like some tricks less than others. I can tell when a trick looks good, and when one looks bad. I'm not going to act like some kindergarten teacher and tell you all tricks are special and unique little snowflakes. Some are easy, stupid, and ugly. regular footed frontside heels are one of them.
A kid in brazil can do whatever trick he wants, as long as he is having fun, but as soon as you cross the line into the sponsorship realm, and want people to support you simply because you are good at skating, you better be capable of good skating that is fun to watch.
I don't see how you see the difference between a kid in Brazil skating for fun, and an over the hill ex-pro skater trying to milk it by talking shit on legit skaters, but there is a huge one.
How could you make that statement while supporting people like ricky oyola and shiloh greathouse.
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an over the hill ex-pro skater trying to milk it by talking shit on legit skaters, but there is a huge one.
what's he trying to milk? as far as i'm aware he's been trying to make it in music and fashion publicity.
i think he know he's done in skating apart from getting the odd article commsioned if he writes it as 'clyde singleton', the character he invented for big brother years ago.
i think the only reason he posts about skating on his little read blog are because he's into it and he's got a big mouth.
and front heels may look like shit 99% of the time but on the rare occasion they're done good they look really, really fucking good UNLIKE fakie fs 180 heels.
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^^ Because Shiloh Greathouse came out with a fucking LEGIT ASS PART recently idiot. ;)
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There person. Wheres Clyde's at? Last decade?
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an over the hill ex-pro skater trying to milk it by talking shit on legit skaters, but there is a huge one.
what's he trying to milk? as far as i'm aware he's been trying to make it in music and fashion publicity.
i think he know he's done in skating apart from getting the odd article commsioned if he writes it as 'clyde singleton', the character he invented for big brother years ago.
i think the only reason he posts about skating on his little read blog are because he's into it and he's got a big mouth.
and front heels may look like shit 99% of the time but on the rare occasion they're done good they look really, really fucking good UNLIKE fakie fs 180 heels.
Its publicity. Beef and controversy are publicity. So he creates controversy by defending the most obnoxious kid ever to pick up a skateboard, just so people will talk about him writing about it. He also consistently is "calling out" dudes who are way more worthy of respect than him, again just so people will talk about his beef. If he was writing well thought out critiques of skating, I'd feel different. At one point he did seem to offer valid commentary, but more and more, its become him just saying outrageous shit so people will keep reading his articles, and he'll keep getting paid.
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an over the hill ex-pro skater trying to milk it by talking shit on legit skaters, but there is a huge one.
what's he trying to milk? as far as i'm aware he's been trying to make it in music and fashion publicity.
i think he know he's done in skating apart from getting the odd article commsioned if he writes it as 'clyde singleton', the character he invented for big brother years ago.
i think the only reason he posts about skating on his little read blog are because he's into it and he's got a big mouth.
and front heels may look like shit 99% of the time but on the rare occasion they're done good they look really, really fucking good UNLIKE fakie fs 180 heels.
I will agree with you on fakie front heels though, ugly as fuck.
i sort of half, almost agree with you.
i was psyched when i found his blog but it's basically rubbish, he has another one where he posts really bad hip hop leaks which is just straight up embarrassing.
he did do the 2nd best frontside heelflip ever though. and he always looked fucking icey in the day, that first line in trilogy with the big nikes on.
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and im sure you know sheckler since you called him obnoxious. he's a cool guy in real life but how does clyde give more respect to ryan than jamie? that's fucking gay
Dumb dick.
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For the record, I'm down for Clyde and always have been. We've known each other since '91 or '92, used to hang out a lot and I've always been a fan of his comedy & skating...
I wasn't trying to call him out, just set the record straight.
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Jamie, do you know Girl Workshop B?
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...oh, it did feel pretty lame him dissing me on interweb for some bullshit, especially since we've known each other 17 years or so.
So, I guess I got a little butthurt. the other half of the reason I responded.
i wouldn't sweat it, he's probably been dissing you behind your back for 15 of those years.
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...oh, it did feel pretty lame him dissing me on interweb for some bullshit, especially since we've known each other 17 years or so.
So, I guess I got a little butthurt. the other half of the reason I responded.
i wouldn't sweat it, he's probably been dissing you behind your back for 15 of those years.
good point.
Jamie, do you know Girl Workshop B?
nah, but he pm'ed me and asked some random questions.
why?
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Jamie, do you know Girl Workshop B?
nah, but he pm'ed me and asked some random questions.
why?
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Can I get a one sentence summary of that big ass post?
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huh? where'd it go?
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those are some seriously harsh words. but yeah anything backing clyde in general is fucked
on another note, i think front heels are one of the hardest tricks in skateboarding, and anyone who can do it the cool way, and bring it down on one truck, like clyde showed, is tight
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i really like caswell's fs heels....
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They deleted the post again...
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The only straight heel flips I like are switch, otherwise they look hideous.
I agree for the most part but Derek Simon and Jake Nunn both had pretty good ones in recent duos montages. I'll try and dig one up.
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if you don't like this part, you should never set foot on a skateboard again.
alot of assumption in there gipper. i thought teachers knew that assuming makes an "ass of u and me."
people can do frontside heels or any other trick without your voice of god like judgment.
sorry man. this is skateboarding. not your classroom.
People can do whatever tricks they want, but if they are pro, being paid to do tricks for the entertainmment of the skateboard buying public, then a skaters trick selection is totally fair game.
People can do pressure flips, one footed 1080 ground spins, willy grinds, or whatever cheesy ass trick they want, but they better be prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame. Front heels are cheesy.
i didn't even quote what you said. yet somehow you figured it out.
why is any trick lame? if it's fun for some kid in brazil to do "one footed 1080 ground spins" before he has to go home to his one bedroom apartment which his whole fam lives in, why should that kid be "prepared to face the fact that a lot of people are going to think that trick is lame." are you listening to yourself? i don't understand your logic. if it's fun, why worry what anyone else thinks? skateboarding, right? just checking. isn't there bigger problems in the world that kid should be "prepared to face."
"prepared to face" sounds like the next mike v. documentary.
Some tricks are lame because they look like shit. They are ugly and don't look good. Do you like certain tricks more than others? Conversely, that means you like some tricks less than others. I can tell when a trick looks good, and when one looks bad. I'm not going to act like some kindergarten teacher and tell you all tricks are special and unique little snowflakes. Some are easy, stupid, and ugly. regular footed frontside heels are one of them.
A kid in brazil can do whatever trick he wants, as long as he is having fun, but as soon as you cross the line into the sponsorship realm, and want people to support you simply because you are good at skating, you better be capable of good skating that is fun to watch.
I don't see how you see the difference between a kid in Brazil skating for fun, and an over the hill ex-pro skater trying to milk it by talking shit on legit skaters, but there is a huge one.
gip,
i was actually trying to give you props for knowing that i was referring to the fs heel w/out me quoting you. :)
i know you are an extremely smart dude and appreciated your political viewpoints. (myanmar is looking harsh right now)
anyways, i see your distinction between the kid in brazil doing it for fun and the pro who is paid to dazzle us. it's valid.
my only counterpoint, and this has nothing to do with Clyde, Shecks, JT, or anyone—is just a broader one.
i believe pros have the right to have fun as well. in fact, i think if they're not, they should quit. because when they have fun, it looks better (not forced), and we have more fun watching it. to make a terrible analogy...it's kind of like porn stars. you really can't be a good porn star if you are not having fun doing it. it's just impossible. it's pretty much exactly like pro skating. you can last a few years running on hatred and competition. but at the end of the day, the only people that really persevere in skateboarding (and porn...ron jeremy never used viagra ;)) are the ones that actually still enjoy it. and if jake duncombe has to throw a beni in there to keep a smile on his face (or god forbid a frontside heel)...why should we hate?
i firmly believe that every trick can look good done by the right dude in the right circumstances. but just like the kid in brazil, the key ingredient is fun.
peace on earth. the mess.
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I agree for the most part but Derek Simon and Jake Nunn both had pretty good ones in recent duos montages. I'll try and dig one up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WA0BmL8W0
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The only straight heel flips I like are switch, otherwise they look hideous.
I agree for the most part but Derek Simon and Jake Nunn both had pretty good ones in recent duos montages. I'll try and dig one up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WA0BmL8W0
That was good, very ninja like!
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i'd actually rather see a proper heel like that over a switch heel. guess i'm just getting sick of switch heels.
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i'd actually rather see a proper heel like that over a switch heel. guess i'm just getting sick of switch heels.
Not that I can do them or have even tried to but I don't know why a switch heel always gets slo mo these days.
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Actually mess, the porn star analogy is good. I completely agree that the guy has to be into it if the skating is going to look good. If he's not excited, we won't be either. I see what you are saying. I'm just stating my opinion that the trick is ugly and easy. If he wants to do it, I can't and shouldn't be able to stop him, but at the same time, I wouldn't point to it as a reason he is rad.
In the end though, its not about how good he is in general that matters. Randomly hating on Singletrick has no purpose. The point is that he backs the kooks and then disses the dudes who's shoes he should be licking, and its worth noting that it just makes him come out as an asshole.
My take on heelflips is that about 99% of people who do them make them look like shit. Occasionally a dude will make it look nice, a good example is Don Nguyen, but mostly, they look terrible.
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
HAhahaha that's amazing!!!
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Anyways, for those who want a laugh, here you go:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kfMnM5Y2rw8&feature=related
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Wait, don't they speak German in Germany?
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aww great! That makes me gay now does'nt? shit! >:(
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So the GUY? in the video is the guy in the picture?
Whats with all these dudes singing like girls?
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This is from crailtap.
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agreed sir. it's a good debate. and important actually. in the end, i think the best skateboarders are the dudes that can make what is generally a heinous trick look rad. in the case of the fs heel vs, the people of the slap forum, i believe the list of defendants to be acquitted should include guy (goldfish, loz feliz), gino (snuff, sand gaps), quim cardona (411 check out with his bro [rip[), and yep, clyde clyde slippidy slide down the hubba hide (trilogy).
however, i say this whilst completely separating clyde (the former pro skater) from clyde (the journalist).
i don't think it's fair to mix the two. skating should always stand on it's own. or else, i wouldn't be doing it.
plus, nobody mentioned deez nutz. ;D
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Wait, don't they speak German in Germany?
Right, but while no one else cares around the world, to have success in the us they seem to have decided to sing in english for them. this was the german version:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgiK6BcCI2k
It just makes me sad how preteenagers can make so much money with such shitty music...
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agreed sir. it's a good debate. and important actually. in the end, i think the best skateboarders are the dudes that can make what is generally a heinous trick look rad. in the case of the fs heel vs, the people of the slap forum, i believe the list of defendants to be acquitted should include guy (goldfish, loz feliz), gino (snuff, sand gaps), quim cardona (411 check out with his bro [rip[), and yep, clyde clyde slippidy slide down the hubba hide (trilogy).
however, i say this whilst completely separating clyde (the former pro skater) from clyde (the journalist).
i don't think it's fair to mix the two. skating should always stand on it's own. or else, i wouldn't be doing it.
plus, nobody mentioned deez nutz. ;D
Wasn't Guy's switch?
My point was, from the start, that Clyde is talking about how Jamie can't talk shit (even if it was privately) because he is a boring skater. My point is, if that is the case, Clyde will have to shut his mouth and go away forever.
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This is from crailtap.
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I wonder if his cap and shirt cancel each other out?
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I certainly hope so.
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This is from crailtap.
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I certainly hope so.
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
I just realised hes wearing a Fallen shirt, looks like Jamie's been flowing him some stuff
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
the emosexual epidimic not loosing any speed eh?
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
the emosexual epidimic not loosing any speed eh?
not at all, it getting worser ajd worser
but on the otherhand, it's fun to laugh at, when you argue with emos, you always find good replies
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
the emosexual epidimic not loosing any speed eh?
Payback for WWII
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
the emosexual epidimic not loosing any speed eh?
what do you mean?
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
the emosexual epidimic not loosing any speed eh?
Aryan's pulling a Greco to get back at that ass
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I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove chicks with fro's. Biggest bonerfest ever.
Isn't that a dude?
He is a dude (more or less). he is basically germany's biggest joke and also the biggest embarassement. His band is so damn successfull it really isn't funny anymore. My girlfriends cousin who is italian told her he thought that girl was hot and was really shocked when he found out it was a guy ^^....
Damn dude, over here, half of these emo fag kids are really psyched on them, it's really starting to annoy,
ever since they became famous, the ammount of kids that turn into emo has doubled, it really isn't funny at all
I can't even imagine what impact they have over there in their native country
the emosexual epidimic not loosing any speed eh?
Aryan's pulling a Greco to get back at that ass
Exactly, the complete opposite of the 1000 year reign dream.
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Nah guys, that's definitely a chick.
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his arms and hands say hes a dude
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his arms and hands say hes a dude
true, why do guys always have bigger hand-veins
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Scene girls are the best. Fact.
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who would've thought this thread'd turn out this way. Didn't the guy admit to being gay already? (rhetoric question)
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I heard when jamie was in philly for the summer in like 94 or 95 he stayed at some little boys house, and, lets just say... an ice cream cone was involved, also semen, and said little boys mouth or jamies mouth was also mentioned, I can't remember which it was a long time ago
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shut the fuck up
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I said nothing
if you don't want to read my post then don't, it was your choice to do so
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Girl B/image search same poster? SLAP sleuths get on it.
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jesco you're an idiot
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Hey Girl Workshop B,
Step up your game and get to 500 posts by Sunday. I believe you can do it.
Sincerely,
Perfect Cock
PS
I'd like to smell your hair.
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Exibit A:
I heard when jamie was in philly for the summer in like 94 or 95 he stayed at some little boys house, and, lets just say... an ice cream cone was involved, also semen, and said little boys mouth or jamies mouth was also mentioned, I can't remember which it was a long time ago
i wonder if those kids have ever been raped by bastien.........
It's hard for me to believe there's two posters so equally matched when it comes to regular posts. And I'm starting to see a fixation with sex and little boys. Cris Hansen?
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Jamie, how do you feel about Nike?
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Jamie can you please give us a cute lil candy coated explanation for what david gravette says in his new interview about you kicking him out of the zero park....something about "making my team feel uncomfortable" or something? was he grinding yer rails too good jamie?
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Jamie, how do you feel about Nike?
shut up about Nike already, butt brain
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Jamie can you please give us a cute lil candy coated explanation for what david gravette says in his new interview about you kicking him out of the zero park....something about "making my team feel uncomfortable" or something? was he grinding yer rails too good jamie?
I'm sure jimmy carlin and gilbert crockett do way better shit than he was doing on a daily basis.
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I heard when jamie was in philly for the summer in like 94 or 95 he stayed at some little boys house, and, lets just say... an ice cream cone was involved, also semen, and said little boys mouth or jamies mouth was also mentioned, I can't remember which it was a long time ago
thomas in Philly discussion is ABD man!
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in heavy metal jamie did some sick shit here. i always really liked that part. nose manny nollie heel at love!
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Jamie can you please give us a cute lil candy coated explanation for what david gravette says in his new interview about you kicking him out of the zero park....something about "making my team feel uncomfortable" or something? was he grinding yer rails too good jamie?
Ignoring your unnecessary dickish sarcasm, I don't recall the situation, but it seems pretty simple. We didn't know the dude and for whatever reason someone on the team was bummed there were dudes there they didn't know, so I asked them to leave.
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Jamie can you please give us a cute lil candy coated explanation for what david gravette says in his new interview about you kicking him out of the zero park....something about "making my team feel uncomfortable" or something? was he grinding yer rails too good jamie?
Ignoring your unnecessary dickish sarcasm, I don't recall the situation, but it seems pretty simple. We didn't know the dude and for whatever reason someone on the team was bummed there were dudes there they didn't know, so I asked them to leave.
legitimate reason... O_o
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Jamie can you please give us a cute lil candy coated explanation for what david gravette says in his new interview about you kicking him out of the zero park....something about "making my team feel uncomfortable" or something? was he grinding yer rails too good jamie?
Ignoring your unnecessary dickish sarcasm, I don't recall the situation, but it seems pretty simple. We didn't know the dude and for whatever reason someone on the team was bummed there were dudes there they didn't know, so I asked them to leave.
Maybe I'm just in a shitty mood because I'm drunk, but come on dude are you really offended that someone on an internet messageboard would mess with you? Can't get offended either when pretty much nailed what you were going to say - don't even deny it - a candy coated response about him making your team members feel uncomfortable. I doubt that he just showed up there all by himself and just started skating and then you guys just kicked him out for no reason at all. I don't know though, maybe I am being a dick for no reason, please, correct me if I'm wrong.
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I don't recall the situation, but it seems pretty simple. We didn't know the dude and for whatever reason someone on the team was bummed there were dudes there they didn't know, so I asked them to leave.
so you totally do recall the situation?
except the controversial part.
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anyway tim gavin has a pretty good fs heel in this, the one up the stairs at the civic centre.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AwrOsihkx4
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Jamie can you please give us a cute lil candy coated explanation for what david gravette says in his new interview about you kicking him out of the zero park....something about "making my team feel uncomfortable" or something? was he grinding yer rails too good jamie?
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Sounds like some celebrity weirdness to me. "Hey chief, there's some dudes here skating I don't know, could you ask them to leave?" Who gets salty about skating a park with people they don't know unless they're being assholes?
Not that we'll get it but the whoooooole story probably makes a little more sense..
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If you have your own miniramp on your backyard are you gonna give every random and unknown guy you don't even know come there and skate it?
I suppose you want to skate it with your friends etc. have fun....there's even people like Heath Kirchart, Grecs etc. who just film alone with a filmer cause they don't feel comfortable trying tricks while someone is watching....even some of their friends
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If you have your own miniramp on your backyard are you gonna give every random and unknown guy you don't even know come there and skate it?
I suppose you want to skate it with your friends etc. have fun....there's even people like Heath Kirchart, Grecs etc. who just film alone with a filmer cause they don't feel comfortable trying tricks while someone is watching....even some of their friends
I'd let David G. skate my mini unless he was being a dick. But even then I wouldn't go tell my wife and have her ask him to leave.
And are you seriously going to use Grecs as an example of what's normal?
I'm just saying the whole story probably makes more sense. There's got to be a better reason than "someone on the team was bummed there was someone there they didn't know." The story as Jaimie remembers it just sounds like some baby-ish celebrity kookiness.
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are there any words in the english language to convey the irony of this thread?
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I suppose you want to skate it with your friends etc. have fun....there's even people like Heath Kirchart, Grecs etc. who just film alone with a filmer cause they don't feel comfortable trying tricks while someone is watching....even some of their friends
What does that legitimize? Those people are lame for that. I wouldn't want to hang with them. Are we supposed to think that because they are good at skating that their anti-social personalities are "cool" and should be emulated?
Dudes, I don't skate with anybody else around, just by myself, I'm gonna be like Heath Kirchart when I grow up.
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If you have your own miniramp on your backyard are you gonna give every random and unknown guy you don't even know come there and skate it?
yeah, thats kind of how it works when you have a mini ramp. build it, and they will come...
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If you have your own miniramp on your backyard are you gonna give every random and unknown guy you don't even know come there and skate it?
but if a bunch of strangers show up to your house to skate it when you and a bunch of your friends are already there, you're going to send them packing right? i'm all for sharing but if theres too many heads at my house, the dudes i don't know need to hit the bricks.
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It's not like that place is a public park, it's fucking Black Box dist and pretty sure Jamie owns that place and if he wants to help one of his riders feel more comfortable(if jamie agrees or not) thats his right. The mini thing I'm totally feeling giving randoms the boot sometimes and I have been kicked out of a few ramps in my day. I was bummed at the time but you really gotta know your place in those situations.
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did gravette just show up and black box solo, walk in, and start skating?
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did gravette just show up and black box solo, walk in, and start skating?
yes, thats how he went BRO.
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unbrolievable
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did gravette just show up and black box solo, walk in, and start skating?
he says he showed up with anthony schultz...which if he did i dont see why he would be asked to leave....he rides for a black box company
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I smooched a girl this weekend.
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I suppose you want to skate it with your friends etc. have fun....there's even people like Heath Kirchart, Grecs etc. who just film alone with a filmer cause they don't feel comfortable trying tricks while someone is watching....even some of their friends
Dudes, I don't skate with anybody else around, just by myself, I'm gonna be like Heath Kirchart when I grow up.
Pretty sure he's just using it as an example that some people may not want others watching them skate that they don't know. He never said that you should like them for it.....
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I smooched a girl this weekend.
you're my hero
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I smooched a girl this weekend.
you're my hero
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was it robin?
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I suppose you want to skate it with your friends etc. have fun....there's even people like Heath Kirchart, Grecs etc. who just film alone with a filmer cause they don't feel comfortable trying tricks while someone is watching....even some of their friends
Dudes, I don't skate with anybody else around, just by myself, I'm gonna be like Heath Kirchart when I grow up.
yep it's just the way things are...people don't like skating in contests cause they feel uncomfortable, people don't like skating with random guys and front of people they don't know cause they feel uncomfortable
I'm not a one man soldier or kirchart myself but do like skating with my friends and everyone whos down...but I can see people taking pressure and being bummed for nothing but just someone lurking em skate
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Jamie can tell somebody they don't have the right to skate blackbox if he wants, just like Albany locals can tell him to go fuck himself when he asks for directions to a pool they know....and here we go again
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aaaaahahaha.
i'm sure if we were skating the pool and jamie thomas showed up there noone would ask him to leave. can you imagine calling up jt and asking to skate his park without him there?
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I smooched a girl this weekend.
you're my hero
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Clyde is going to piss himself when he reads some of the stuff in this thread.
Like literally urinate on himself, inside his clothes, and all over someone's couch.
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He's probably in the process of said urination as we speak.
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I drew this for my friend's birthday card.
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v65/114/109/903585223/n903585223_214953_2250.jpg)
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I drew this for my friend's birthday card.
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v65/114/109/903585223/n903585223_214953_2250.jpg)
lol, u totally changin tha subjekt brawler
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I'm guessing the gravette thing was before anyone knew who he was and didn't he said he was with danny scher, not anthony schultz, but we no one knew schultz at the time either.
At any rate, we get a lot of random people that show up at the park and sometimes it's mellow and sometimes it's weird, so we ask them to leave and come back next time with a team rider or employee. we built the park for riders, employees and friends of both. if that doesn't make sense to you, then call me a dick and build your own shit.
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if i show up and you say who are you and i say lumpy oatmeal would we be cool?
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if i show up and you say who are you and i say lumpy oatmeal would we be cool?
I'm not the gate keeper, so I can't make any promises.
..but if it were just me, I'd be psyched to skate with Lumpy oatmeal.
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if that doesn't make sense to you, then call me a dick and build your own shit.
You've been kinda sharp tongued lately--something stressing you out?
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If I show up and give an awkward back massage to any team rider that lands a trick (oh and you say who are you and I say Perfect Cock) would we be cool?
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clyde, i hope transworld is paying you really, really good, you fucking mark.
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if that doesn't make sense to you, then call me a dick and build your own shit.
You've been kinda sharp tongued lately--something stressing you out?
Imagine of you came to a message board and there was always something to dispel or people were throwing endless accusations at you.
Probably get old really quick.
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So do you guys like my mogwai picture or what? I was partially drunk, and it took almost an hour to draw.
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So do you guys like my mogwai picture or what? I was partially drunk, and it took almost an hour to draw.
Does it say "the mogwai made caca again!"? IF so, I would definitely like a birthdaycard like that.
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These Ukrainian neighbours I had growing up used always call feces "Caca". I started using it, and nobody ever knew what I was talking about. Their cat's name was Chi Chi, so they'd always go "Chi Chi made CaCa again"
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if that doesn't make sense to you, then call me a dick and build your own shit.
You've been kinda sharp tongued lately--something stressing you out?
Probably get old really quick.
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jamie, would you let the mogwai skate your park?
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in heavy metal jamie did some sick shit here. i always really liked that part. nose manny nollie heel at love!
that part always made me feel more secure about my love for Disco music.
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if that doesn't make sense to you, then call me a dick and build your own shit.
You've been kinda sharp tongued lately--something stressing you out?
I was a little fed with all the whining about what's 'cool or not cool' for us to do at 'our' park, but really I was just short on time, so I was getting down to it.
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David Gravette is very sick, and will have a crazy part in TWS. But if you've read any of his recent interviews...i'd take what he says with a grain of salt. The dude either has a tendency for exaggerating, or is a bit dumb.
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He was hobbling around on crutches at the park grand opening on friday.
Im guessing his tws part is done.
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i doubt clyde gives a shit what we put up here.
if anything this board is boosting his standing
with the shecks crowd. just picture it. ryan can
finally relate to someone (yay). him and clyde
just have so much in common now...you know
hated by slap (yikes), ughhhhh oh yeah.
that's all.
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BB tell them not to get that card wet and especially don't let them feed it after midnight!
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Holy fuckin long thread bump.
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What ever happened to Wade Burkitt and Aaron Harrison? We're asking every other question twice, why not this one?
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More importantly, what ever happened to colored wheels? I didn't think they even made colored wheels anymore except for CCS.
And low and behold I open up a box today and theres some green ass wheels in there.
I'm bring that and colored griptape back with a venegence.
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What ever happened to Wade Burkitt and Aaron Harrison? We're asking every other question twice, why not this one?
And Scotty Coppleman too while you're at it.
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purple loepard grip tape
(http://www.threeskins.com/acatalog/leo-pur0494_s.jpg)
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What ever happened to Wade Burkitt and Aaron Harrison? We're asking every other question twice, why not this one?
that first zero team was the shit. kind of like a west coast Silverstar
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I smooched a girl this weekend.
PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPAN
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You know who's ruining the skateboard industry? Skateboarders are.
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More importantly, what ever happened to colored wheels? I didn't think they even made colored wheels anymore except for CCS.
And low and behold I open up a box today and theres some green ass wheels in there.
I'm bring that and colored griptape back with a venegence.
It looks like Spitfire is offering more colored wheels. Strange that they're hyping up a catalogue release.
http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html (http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html)
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I smooched a girl this weekend.
PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPAN
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More importantly, what ever happened to colored wheels? I didn't think they even made colored wheels anymore except for CCS.
And low and behold I open up a box today and theres some green ass wheels in there.
I'm bring that and colored griptape back with a venegence.
It looks like Spitfire is offering more colored wheels. Strange that they're hyping up a catalogue release.
http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html (http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html)
Colored wheels is like a heads up to me. It says "I suck, lets not skate together ever." Its nice like that.
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More importantly, what ever happened to colored wheels? I didn't think they even made colored wheels anymore except for CCS.
And low and behold I open up a box today and theres some green ass wheels in there.
I'm bring that and colored griptape back with a venegence.
It looks like Spitfire is offering more colored wheels. Strange that they're hyping up a catalogue release.
http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html (http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html)
would you roll to a spot with your favorite pro if he invited you but he was riding colored wheels?
what if the gonz was rolling in rainbow colored wheels, would you lose all respect for him?
you're weird dude.
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More importantly, what ever happened to colored wheels? I didn't think they even made colored wheels anymore except for CCS.
And low and behold I open up a box today and theres some green ass wheels in there.
I'm bring that and colored griptape back with a venegence.
It looks like Spitfire is offering more colored wheels. Strange that they're hyping up a catalogue release.
http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html (http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html)
would you roll to a spot with your favorite pro if he invited you but he was riding colored wheels?
what if the gonz was rolling in rainbow colored wheels, would you lose all respect for him?
you're weird dude.
Oh yes please Mr. Favorite Pro! Invite me to the spot! I'll do anything! Dude, pros are people. Some are cool, some aren't. If your question is whether or not I would want to go skating with a pro who is super lame, the answer is no. I have skated with pros, and have come to realize that they are people. Some are cool guys, some are not.
I don't judge that harshly on wheels in reality, but if some pro offered me the chance to skate with him and he sucked as a person, I wouldn't suddenly like him because he was pro.
My point is, whether you are Gonz, or some kid who got suckered to buy some slow moving product at the skateshop, colored wheels are ugly and stupid.
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More importantly, what ever happened to colored wheels? I didn't think they even made colored wheels anymore except for CCS.
And low and behold I open up a box today and theres some green ass wheels in there.
I'm bring that and colored griptape back with a venegence.
It looks like Spitfire is offering more colored wheels. Strange that they're hyping up a catalogue release.
http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html (http://www.dlxsf.com/catalogs/summer08/sf/index.html)
would you roll to a spot with your favorite pro if he invited you but he was riding colored wheels?
what if the gonz was rolling in rainbow colored wheels, would you lose all respect for him?
you're weird dude.
I don't judge that harshly on wheels in reality, but if some pro offered me the chance to skate with him and he sucked as a person, I wouldn't suddenly like him because he was pro.
My point is, whether you are Gonz, or some kid who got suckered to buy some slow moving product at the skateshop, colored wheels are ugly and stupid.
no one said anything about a pro being cool or not, my question was if your favorite pro(we'll just say hes cool) invited you to skate but had colored wheels, would you roll or bail?
i was comtemplating throwing on these blue hubbas and busting out some heelflips but not if it means the gipper won't skate with me. :'( ;D
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If my favorite pro does something lame, it isn't suddenly cool because he did it. If I got along with him already, I might go, but I'd clown the shit out of him. Don't be such a hero worshipper.
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Do white wheels that have turned yellow count as colored wheels?
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nope, just old.
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If my favorite pro does something lame, it isn't suddenly cool because he did it. If I got along with him already, I might go, but I'd clown the shit out of him. Don't be such a hero worshipper.
as far as i know, you dislike the following....
self cheering, sheckler, religion, heelfips, colored grip/wheels and hero worshipping....please feel free to add more.
i really want to combined everything you don't like and see if i can still be cool. i'm getting a sheckler deck, draw a big old cross on my colored griptape, with matching colored wheels, i'm gonna self cheer and pump my fist in the air right after i land about a dozen or so mobbed heelflips, then go to my gonz shire, kneel before it, and claim my alleigence to all things gonz.
don't take me seriously, i'm messin with you. ;)
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nope, just old.
I thought about that and realized I may have gotten them last year!
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I'm gonna set the colored wheels up strictly for the people that claim everyone that rides colored wheels is wack.
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/GtiVr697/49207456_a6d44ade6d.jpg)
I was reading a magazine last night and Silas Baxter-Neal had like a 10 page interview. And in it he was doing this exact trick.
This guy did it along time ago. AND he rides colored wheels AND colored griptape. So, just because someone rides some wacked out shit doesn't mean they suck or are morons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-SPPhV-uPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-SPPhV-uPY)
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I like colored wheels, depending on the wheel. Anyone remember ice blue OJII Teamriders? So good.
I tend to mostly skate white wheels (Streetburners or STFs), but I have a softsport for not only colored wheels, but swirly ones as well.
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WOAH WOAH WOAH Grim. Lets not get to over zealous. Swirly ones?! Thats hate worthy. ;D
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once in a blue moon i get a hankerin' to rock some colored wheels. its one of my guilty pleasures (but i'm usually over 'em by my second or third session with them)
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WOAH WOAH WOAH Grim. Lets not get to over zealous. Swirly ones?! Thats hate worthy. ;D
I can't help it, dammit! I like pretty colors!
I dress pretty neutrally (earth tones and plain shit for the most part) but I like to rock colors on gear sometimes. Using diabolik's term, it's a guilty pleasure.
Oh, if only they made Streetburners or STFs in red...
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If my favorite pro does something lame, it isn't suddenly cool because he did it. If I got along with him already, I might go, but I'd clown the shit out of him. Don't be such a hero worshipper.
as far as i know, you dislike the following....
self cheering, sheckler, religion, heelfips, colored grip/wheels and hero worshipping....please feel free to add more.
i really want to combined everything you don't like and see if i can still be cool. i'm getting a sheckler deck, draw a big old cross on my colored griptape, with matching colored wheels, i'm gonna self cheer and pump my fist in the air right after i land about a dozen or so mobbed heelflips, then go to my gonz shire, kneel before it, and claim my alleigence to all things gonz.
don't take me seriously, i'm messin with you. ;)
I don't mind self-cheering actually, and you missed the object of most of my hatred: Ronald Reagan. But you got the rest of my list pretty well. BUT, look at that description of a dude that you would assume I hate, your telling me that dude doesn't suck, at least a little?
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if ryan sheckler was really really reaaly evangelical christian, only did heelflips, had hot pink wheels and some radicool grip and worshipped ronald reagan, he'd probably be my hero...
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All you did was kind of steal Faster!'s joke, but make it weaker. You are clever!
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Autobahn's had some pretty cool colored wheels I must say. I've fallen victim.
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word jesco
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All you did was kind of steal Faster!'s joke, but make it weaker. You are clever!
No, I was just kinda replying to this...
BUT, look at that description of a dude that you would assume I hate, your telling me that dude doesn't suck, at least a little?
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
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Almost every thread on this board morphs into something so far away from the title its ridiculous.
So... I will continue with that trend. I rode a set of orange Spitfires in maybe 1997 just because Ed Templeton used to rock them occasionally on his setups.
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i see alot of the more gangster kids skating pink wheels. dope as fuck but i couldn't see myself skating with pink wheels
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i see alot of the more gangster kids skating pink wheels. dope as fuck but i couldn't see myself skating with pink wheels
That's funny 'cause pink wheels are exactly what I could picture you skating.
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Jesco, get real. Don't you know the new trend is 8'' board with 8'' indys, 53 mm spitfires, white v-necks, with a flannel, brown cords, and a pair of Vans authentics? Geez. THATS what he looks like.
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Jesco, get real. Don't you know the new trend is 8'' board with 8'' indys, 53 mm spitfires, white v-necks, with a flannel, brown cords, and a pair of Vans authentics? Geez. THATS what he looks like.
That's what Slap pals look like; this kid seems more like the 12 yr old Pac Sun shopping type.
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Jesco, get real. Don't you know the new trend is 7.56'' board with thunders, 51 mm fast lifes, white t's, with a wind-breaker, blue jeans, and a pair of Vans? Geez. THATS what I look like.
Damn summed me up to a tee, ya'll skate?
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I'm rocking some 60mm bright green bargain bin flatspotted-as-fuck wheels. Is it excusable if I can't afford white ones?
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what i want to know is... do colored trucks count too?
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
God bless you. Getting all worked up because I can't relax.
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
I wasn't worked up at all, actually. I was just trying to better know the man, the mystery, the Gipper.
Is there a soft side behind the self proclaimed elitist? Does he actually think people who skate colored wheels are beneath him? Would he fail a student for proudly brandishing colored grip? Answers I may never know since you didn't really respond to my accusations of you being stuck up.
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i've had the same pair of pink krux trucks for like four years now. i think they're kinda lame now and i want to try indys but i'm really scared of new trucks, i'm so used to the way these turn...
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i've had the same pair of pink krux trucks for like four years now. i think they're kinda lame now and i want to try indys but i'm really scared of new trucks, i'm so used to the way these turn...
How have you kept them for so long? do you not grind?
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nah i do a lot of grinding actually
they're pretty worn away but do trucks really break? the only time that's ever happened to me is with a pair of tensors.
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i break the new indy baseplates about every 6 months. i couldnt imagine 4 years on a set of trucks
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i've never broken indys but ive broken countless amounts of ventures, thats why I made the switch to indy, now theres no going back
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i break the new indy baseplates about every 6 months. i couldnt imagine 4 years on a set of trucks
Damn, how much do you weigh? Every six months? I guess it's only the baseplates you're talking about but it seems like it takes me 6 months to get a pair of Indys broken in.
I've worn trucks out but they only time I've really broken them is when they've been chomped by cars.
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
I thought similar.
Don't know about you Gipper, but I think it's good to strive to be less harsh and less of an elitist.
Of course I'm guilty of judging people for liking crap I think's wack, but I'm not proud of it.
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i break the new indy baseplates about every 6 months. i couldnt imagine 4 years on a set of trucks
Damn, how much do you weigh? Every six months? I guess it's only the baseplates you're talking about but it seems like it takes me 6 months to get a pair of Indys broken in.
I've worn trucks out but they only time I've really broken them is when they've been chomped by cars.
i weigh 155 and im 6'1... i usually break em on fs blunts or noseblunts. the old ones without the holes in the baseplate i never had a problem with, but these break right down the center, thru the holes.
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I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
why do you doubt that, skaters have been doing this forever and it's one of the things that made skateboarding great, you should hang out with the girl team for a day.
and frankly the best thing skaters as a whole could do right now is collectively get back on their high horse.
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I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
why do you doubt that, skaters have been doing this forever and it's one of the things that made skateboarding great, you should hang out with the girl team for a day.
and frankly the best thing skaters as a whole could do right now is collectively get back on their high horse.
at least you're consistent
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i've had the same pair of pink krux trucks for like four years now. i think they're kinda lame now and i want to try indys but i'm really scared of new trucks, i'm so used to the way these turn...
I made the switch from Krux lows to Indy lows a few months ago, and not only was the transition from one truck to the other easy to make, but I came out feeling like the Indys turn even more like I wanted my trucks to turn. It's all personal preference of course, but if you're comfortable on Krux, you should adapt to some new Indys just fine.
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
I thought similar.
Don't know about you Gipper, but I think it's good to strive to be less harsh and less of an elitist.
Of course I'm guilty of judging people for liking crap I think's wack, but I'm not proud of it.
Jamie Thomas accusing me of being too serious? Fuck you bitch. You have a reputation that no matter how you spin just screams "skateboarding is serious business." You force your riders to do tricks to stay on the team, make them dress like fucking clowns to sell boards, and have an entire ad series entitled "Die trying." Maybe you could relax a little. And no, I'm not going to buy your stupid little explainations and think, "Hey, Jamie Thomas is just one of the guys, like us!" Fuck that. You are a corporate CEO who comes on here to spin his image and sell his product. Don't feed me your bullshit. I've let it slide, but if you are going to come out like that and accuse me of shit, get ready for your head on the chopping block.
You are such a fucking hypocrite. You get pissed when people want to skate your private park, but then you get pissed when people won't take you to their private spot. What makes you so fucking entitled? Way I heard it you were straight up rude too. Then you even considered posting directions to the pool? Who cares if it won't do any harm, it wasn't your fucking pool to expose. But you feel like some sort of entitled god of the industry, so it did cross your mind. I forgot though, you were on the serious contest known as "king of the road." Remember that? When you took the shit so seriously half of your team riders ended up hurt, and the last time you won it everybody booed you off for taking it so seriously? I think you remember, that's why you didn't come back. Call me an elitest? Call me too serious? Call me too harsh? Fuck you. I skate for fun, and have fun when I skate.
So Mr. Gipper-is-too-serious, When was the last time you just went out and pushed around? Just jumped on a bus to a random part in town and pushed, no camera, no agenda, just having fun. I bet its been 10 years. I do it all the time. I live for it. Who cares what I think about wheels and shit? My opinion is different than yours, but that doesn't mean I can't have fun.
The thing is, I'm not even that picky. Ask a lot of people what they think of Sheckler, colored wheels, or certain flip tricks, and they may be perfectly reasonable people, but will think Sheckler has no business in skateboarding, colored wheels make your board look like a toy, and some flip tricks, whether its a pressure flip, an illusion flip, or a heelflip look ugly. I can be positive too, but I'm not going to pretend some of the bullshit some of the 13 year olds on here are pushing as "cool" is ok.
P.S. "Consistent," Jamie? At least I don't do sketchy shit and then talk like its all about the love on here. Your actions don't match your p.r words.
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
I thought similar.
Don't know about you Gipper, but I think it's good to strive to be less harsh and less of an elitist.
Of course I'm guilty of judging people for liking crap I think's wack, but I'm not proud of it.
You are such a fucking hypocrite. You get pissed when people want to skate your private park, but then you get pissed when people won't take you to their private spot. What makes you so fucking entitled? Way I heard it you were straight up rude too. Then you even considered posting directions to the pool? Who cares if it won't do any harm, it wasn't your fucking pool to expose. But you feel like some sort of entitled god of the industry, so it did cross your mind. I forgot though, you were on the serious contest known as "king of the road." Remember that? When you took the shit so seriously half of your team riders ended up hurt, and the last time you won it everybody booed you off for taking it so seriously? I think you remember, that's why you didn't come back. Call me an elitest? Call me too serious? Call me too harsh? Fuck you. I skate for fun, and have fun when I skate.
So Mr. Gipper-is-too-serious, When was the last time you just went out and pushed around? Just jumped on a bus to a random part in town and pushed, no camera, no agenda, just having fun. I bet its been 10 years. I do it all the time. I live for it. Who cares what I think about wheels and shit? My opinion is different than yours, but that doesn't mean I can't have fun.
The thing is, I'm not even that picky. Ask a lot of people what they think of Sheckler, colored wheels, or certain flip tricks, and they may be perfectly reasonable people, but will think Sheckler has no business in skateboarding, colored wheels make your board look like a toy, and some flip tricks, whether its a pressure flip, an illusion flip, or a heelflip look ugly. I can be positive too, but I'm not going to pretend some of the bullshit some of the 13 year olds on here are pushing as "cool" is ok.
P.S. "Consistent," Jamie? At least I don't do sketchy shit and then talk like its all about the love on here. Your actions don't match your p.r words.
Wow, you got pissed.
I was trying to be encouraging, not call you out or suggest that you're lame.
Thanks for all the insight though, I'll work on the stuff I can.
Peace.
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Oh Jamie, if they only made bicycles that went backwards you'd be a fucking olympian with all your backpeddling. That was shit talking on your side, and you got called out because you are a hypocrite ceo who wants people to think he just loves skating, thats all, and now you are doing your CEO backpeddling to try to keep a good image.
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ok, clyde replied.
first off, i dont have time to read "comments". mainly because they're worthless, faceless fokkboys who wouldnt chime half that shyt in my face. also, because people dont THINK about what they speak of, before they speak... these dudes are in the middle of Kumbuttfukkville, living vicariously through skateboard sites. and im the anystreet/city- everyday. i dont sit in a office and "report". im actually out here- EVERYDAY. making moves, and money. u mad, Scooby? with that said- recently, i wrote a post re:Jamie Thomas, and something he'd "reportedly" said about Sheckler. while some dont know Jamie and I go back like spinal cords(ie: the word "respect was used accordingly throughout the post), it seems as if skateboarding wants a Clyde & Jamie Thomas "beef". 1st off- i dont "beef" with skaters(or my FRIENDS). 2nd. for the 5,797,700,067,060,5090 time- IM NOT A PRO SKATER ANYMORE, NOR DO I WANT TO BE. I WALKED AWAY WITH MY HEAD UP YEARS AGO, WITH PLENTY OF OFFERS ON THE TABLE(AND, STILL GET OFFERS- DAILY) i think that FACT still seems to hurt some people feelings, so i let em roll with whateever they want.
Back to the subject.. Jamie was kind enough to reply(in a civilized manner- thanks JT), ans lets take a look at what he wrote:
Clyde,
I never said young blood was ruining skating.
I was misquoted and homie got bent. I had a conversation w/ D way about the direction of skateboarding and the corporatification of it and somehow he used me/a conversation we had as an example to try and get a point across to sheckler.
I talked to him and I called shecks to let em know even though I don't agree with all his choices etc..it's not my style and I have better shit to worry about that talkin pointless shit on him.
seems pretty jacked that you just took this and ran with it without getting some facts from your boy
...and then you felt it was your responsibility to put me in place by basically saying I ruined shit with 5 trick handrail parts and regertitating some half assed rumors about the way I run my shit.
It's cool though, I can take it.
Peace,
JT
4:54 AM
lets dissect this-
first.. i didnt take anything, and "run with it". it was printed(several times i may add) and these same publications who printed it, from my knowledge(i actually- KNOW this) "check" with you before your name, or likeness is used in anyway whatsoever. trust me Jamie. I KNOW THIS. so it seems to me as if the "blame" should go to the magazines to "check with you" before they let ANYONE "run with what you said" before things of this nature come to light.. you cant hate the gator, hate the lake its swimming in. Id assume the same guys who wouldnt let me make one single reference to you, wouldnt let something negative/untrue be published about you. especially anything being said by a "skateboarding superstar".
second... cmon, fam. i didnt say YOU ruined skateboarding. i said THAT PHASE of skateboarding "ruined skateboarding". and how YOU, being from that era of skateboarding(as well as myself)- couldnt see that, is pretty funny/ironic. i, as well as yoursef KNOW DAMN WELL you can do more than "5 tricks"! lets be serious here. we grew up skating together, fam. i stayed at your house the first time i came to Cali. trust me- Im WELL aware you can not only do more than 5 tricks, but youre a talented skateboarder. to dispute that, would make me... stupid. we both know a "5 trick dummy" wouldnt make it as far as you have in anything.. dont let these okee-doke ass internet kids, or what you think im saying- lead you to get it twisted.. so. relax. be easy. dont reach into what i said like that.
third.. what "half-assed rumor"? re:the clothes, and trick list?!? are you saying you've NEVER sent a box of clothes, with a list of tricks and what to wear included to a Black Box rider!??!? uuumm.. wow. just.. wow. imma leave it right there. but what i will say- I DONT LIE.
in closing, i wanna thank Jamie for his response regarding the situation. and all the dummies who think theres some "beef" going on.. id like to also thank the publications who normally dont let DAMN NEAR ANYTHING re: Jamie Thomas, for just running with something that obviously wasnt true.. if you didnt say it- cool. thank YOU for clearing it up. even if it had to be done on my blog.
well. that sucked... i was all set to run this piFFtastic piece on Nocturnal Skateshop, and how they stole NJ Skateshops "Battle of the Shops" 1st place trophy. took photos wearing terrorists gear, and sent em back to NJ with a ransom note.. i got the flicks, and- gaaaawtdayum. it'll have to wait until tomorrow. yall be easy, and you geekboys REALLY should stay off the in'nuhnet, and get outside and get fresh air. some puzzay. suhn'tin! and before i go- MINORITY REPORT 2. COMING THIS FALL.
the movements still moving.. u mad, Scooby?
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Oh cute! Somebody all about his blog tells others to get off the internet over the internet!
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Oh Jamie, if they only made bicycles that went backwards you'd be a fucking olympian with all your backpeddling. That was shit talking on your side, and you got called out because you are a hypocrite ceo who wants people to think he just loves skating, thats all, and now you are doing your CEO backpeddling to try to keep a good image.
No back peddling, I wasn't meaning for it to be shit talking, so that either means I'm stupid or you took it way too personal.
You can decide which happened. My point was to let you know that you sounded really harsh and elitist, that's it.
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Was Publius shit talking? Was your entire post not to simply pile on to what he said?
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I refuse to attempt to read Clyde's reply.
Can the dude who originally translated please step forward? You are needed like Locke in Lost.
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Got me some 57mm spitfire olsons coming in the mail. hyped.
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Was Publius shit talking? Was your entire post not to simply pile on to what he said?
His was a little harsh, that's why I said, I thought similar.
My similar was like I said "that you sounded really harsh and elitist."
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I seriously got a headache 4 lines in trying to read Clyde's blog.
What an idiot.
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first off, i dont have time to read "comments". mainly because they're worthless, faceless fokkboys who wouldnt chime half that shyt in my face. also, because people dont THINK about what they speak of, before they speak... these dudes are in the middle of Kumbuttfukkville, living vicariously through skateboard sites. and im the anystreet/city- everyday. i dont sit in a office and "report". im actually out here- EVERYDAY. making moves, and money. u mad, Scooby? with that said- recently, i wrote a post re:Jamie Thomas, and something he'd "reportedly" said about Sheckler. while some dont know Jamie and I go back like spinal cords(ie: the word "respect was used accordingly throughout the post), it seems as if skateboarding wants a Clyde & Jamie Thomas "beef". 1st off- i dont "beef" with skaters(or my FRIENDS). 2nd. for the 5,797,700,067,060,5090 time- IM NOT A PRO SKATER ANYMORE, NOR DO I WANT TO BE. I WALKED AWAY WITH MY HEAD UP YEARS AGO, WITH PLENTY OF OFFERS ON THE TABLE(AND, STILL GET OFFERS- DAILY) i think that FACT still seems to hurt some people feelings, so i let em roll with whateever they want.
Back to the subject.. Jamie was kind enough to reply(in a civilized manner- thanks JT), ans lets take a look at what he wrote:
Clyde,
I never said young blood was ruining skating.
I was misquoted and homie got bent. I had a conversation w/ D way about the direction of skateboarding and the corporatification of it and somehow he used me/a conversation we had as an example to try and get a point across to sheckler.
I talked to him and I called shecks to let em know even though I don't agree with all his choices etc..it's not my style and I have better shit to worry about that talkin pointless shit on him.
seems pretty jacked that you just took this and ran with it without getting some facts from your boy
...and then you felt it was your responsibility to put me in place by basically saying I ruined shit with 5 trick handrail parts and regertitating some half assed rumors about the way I run my shit.
It's cool though, I can take it.
Peace,
JT
4:54 AM
lets dissect this-
first.. i didnt take anything, and "run with it". it was printed(several times i may add) and these same publications who printed it, from my knowledge(i actually- KNOW this) "check" with you before your name, or likeness is used in anyway whatsoever. trust me Jamie. I KNOW THIS. so it seems to me as if the "blame" should go to the magazines to "check with you" before they let ANYONE "run with what you said" before things of this nature come to light.. you cant hate the gator, hate the lake its swimming in. Id assume the same guys who wouldnt let me make one single reference to you, wouldnt let something negative/untrue be published about you. especially anything being said by a "skateboarding superstar".
second... cmon, fam. i didnt say YOU ruined skateboarding. i said THAT PHASE of skateboarding "ruined skateboarding". and how YOU, being from that era of skateboarding(as well as myself)- couldnt see that, is pretty funny/ironic. i, as well as yoursef KNOW DAMN WELL you can do more than "5 tricks"! lets be serious here. we grew up skating together, fam. i stayed at your house the first time i came to Cali. trust me- Im WELL aware you can not only do more than 5 tricks, but youre a talented skateboarder. to dispute that, would make me... stupid. we both know a "5 trick dummy" wouldnt make it as far as you have in anything.. dont let these okee-doke ass internet kids, or what you think im saying- lead you to get it twisted.. so. relax. be easy. dont reach into what i said like that.
third.. what "half-assed rumor"? re:the clothes, and trick list?!? are you saying you've NEVER sent a box of clothes, with a list of tricks and what to wear included to a Black Box rider!??!? uuumm.. wow. just.. wow. imma leave it right there. but what i will say- I DONT LIE.
in closing, i wanna thank Jamie for his response regarding the situation. and all the dummies who think theres some "beef" going on.. id like to also thank the publications who normally dont let DAMN NEAR ANYTHING re: Jamie Thomas, for just running with something that obviously wasnt true.. if you didnt say it- cool. thank YOU for clearing it up. even if it had to be done on my blog.
well. that sucked... i was all set to run this piFFtastic piece on Nocturnal Skateshop, and how they stole NJ Skateshops "Battle of the Shops" 1st place trophy. took photos wearing terrorists gear, and sent em back to NJ with a ransom note.. i got the flicks, and- gaaaawtdayum. it'll have to wait until tomorrow. yall be easy, and you geekboys REALLY should stay off the in'nuhnet, and get outside and get fresh air. some puzzay. suhn'tin! and before i go- MINORITY REPORT 2. COMING THIS FALL.
the movements still moving.. u mad, Scooby?
Here you go BB.
"First of all, I would like to address the comments made about me on messageboards: I haven't and don't read them because the posts are anonymous, and those people would not say what they say online to my face. These dudes are just typing all sorts of trash and not thinking about what they are even writing anyway. They live in the middle of nowhere and can only live the skatelife vicariously through internet websites. I am actually in the industry living the skate life. I make money from this. You messageboarders are just jealous. With that said, let me address some controversy. Recently I made a post about Jamie Thomas and the rumor that he said mean things about Ryan Sheckler. People don't realize Jamie and I are long-time friends (I used the word respect a bunch for this reason). It appears as if skateboarding wants Jamie and I to be on bad terms. First of all, I don't want to be on bad terms with any skateboarders (or friends). Second of all, like I have said many times I AM NO LONGER A PROFESSIONAL SKATEBOARDER, NOR DO I WISH TO BE. I QUIT WITH MY PRIDE IN TACT, AND HAD MANY OFFERS FOR OTHER SPONSORSHIP (I STILL HAVE OFFERS FOR SPONSORSHIP) I think that FACT still upsets many people, So I let their insults roll off my back.
But I digress, lets get back on topic. Jamie responded to what I wrote (politely I may add, thank you!) with this letter:
Clyde,
I never said young blood was ruining skating.
I was misquoted and homie got bent. I had a conversation w/ D way about the direction of skateboarding and the corporatification of it and somehow he used me/a conversation we had as an example to try and get a point across to sheckler.
I talked to him and I called shecks to let em know even though I don't agree with all his choices etc..it's not my style and I have better shit to worry about that talkin pointless shit on him.
seems pretty jacked that you just took this and ran with it without getting some facts from your boy
...and then you felt it was your responsibility to put me in place by basically saying I ruined shit with 5 trick handrail parts and regertitating some half assed rumors about the way I run my shit.
It's cool though, I can take it.
Peace,
JT
4:54 AM
Let's dissect what he said:
First of all Jamie, I didn't just repeat a speculative rumor, I repeated something printed in a magazine, and to my knowledge (and I do know what I am talking about) these magazines are supposed to check with you before a story about you, your name, or your photo is printed. I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. It seems to me that this is all the fault of the magazines for not doing fact checking with you before somebody wrote about what they printed. Don't hate me for printing a hateful blog about you, its my nature, really, its all the industry/magazine's faults. I would assume that the people who told me not talk shit on you before would tell me the same. Especially because you are a "star"
Next, Come on man! I didn't say you ruined skateboarding. I said the era you skated in ruined skateboarding, and you being from that era (just like I am) should know that this is the case, and are silly/stupid if you don't confirm this. I know you can do more than 5 tricks because we used to skate together, you are my friend. You used to let me crash at your place! You would not have made it this far if you only knew five tricks. Don't let your reading ability or the interpretations of others who have read my blog over the internet confuse you. Relax dude, don't read too far into it.
Third, what do you mean, "half -assed rumor." You mean to tell me you have not done those things, such as send new clothes or a trick list to a black box rider? Yeah, I'm not sure how to respond to such a ridiculous thing. Think what you want, but I DO NOT LIE.
IN closing, I would like to thank Jamie for his response, the internet kids for trying to instigate bad feelings between Jamie and I. Also, thank you to the mags, who usually tip toe around Jamie Thomas' controversies for printing something about him which apparently isn't true. If you didn't say it, its cool, glad we got things cleared up, even if it had to be so public.
That sucked, I was all set to write a wonderful piece about nocturnal skateshop, and how they beat out NJ skateshop for the title of "Top shop" I took a bunch of pictures of looking sketchy, and sent them to NJ to with a ransom note. I have the photos, and they are crazy! You'll have to wait for tomorrow though. Until then, internet geeks need to get off the computer and get some fresh air, or some pussy or something. Before I go, I wou8ld like to plug Minority Report 2, coming out this fall.
You can't stop us, you mad [reference to an earlier name he made to insult mb posters]"
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Clyde,
I know we've known each other for 17 years etc..
But by running with it, I meant you read sheckler's pull quotes and understood them to be fact.
When actually the conversation with Danny went different than was the way sheckler received it.
I also see though that you're still taking digs, but whatever. I'll respond to some of the things in your post.
True, I sent Cole an Ozzy shirt once cause I knew he liked Ozzy and the shirt was too big for me. I also sent him a pair of jeans once that we were going to make at Circa.
How this turned into me dressing riders on the regs is beyond me, but this is what I meant by a half-assed rumor.
The other was trick lists;
When parts are getting close to being done, I try to help the dudes with what types of stuff they still need. I try to let em know what they're missing and they ask for lists. Point is, I'm not at a desk barking orders at who needs to do what.
My point in responding was to let you know that I don't think an 18 year old dude on TV could ever single handedly ruin skateboarding and that shit hurt to read you hating on me for something I supposedly said about dude, like you've thought I was wack for years, but finally took the time to tell me over this.
I don't expect anyone to cry me a river, but thought I'd let you know that I still got nothing bad to say about you.
Peace,
JT
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jt, can you send me some cords.
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Damn this whole fuckin shit has me completly lost, this shits changed into 4 different threads...Jamie get Clyde in here please, and Shekler too....
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the end was the best part
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Awwwh the Slap boards mends skater relationships once again.
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Clyde, quit your shit talking. Oh wait, that's just jizz oozing out after choking on Sheckler's man meat for so long. Easy, son, easy. You don't wanna cut off the flow oxygen to your brain resulting in you writing even more like some incoherent washed up person. Nah homie, it's all about coming up, right? I mean, you should know about coming up seeing how you dig bros coming all up in your ass, son. Gotta earn dem dolla billz yo.
Yours truly,
Girl Workshop B
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Clyde, quit your shit talking. Oh wait, that's just jizz oozing out after choking on Sheckler's man meat for so long. Easy, son, easy. You don't wanna cut off the flow oxygen to your brain resulting in you writing even more like some incoherent washed up person. Nah homie, it's all about coming up, right? I mean, you should know about coming up seeing how you dig bros coming all up in your ass, son. Gotta earn dem dolla billz yo.
Yours truly,
Girl Workshop B
Wow, and this whole time i thought Zero Krooked D was uncool. You have totally redeemed yourself now...
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Gipper, it must suck ass to skate with you. I wouldn't want to skate with someone who doesn't know how to relax and is instead constantly looking for things to judge me on. I doubt that you would actually deny skating with someone based solely on disliking their gear but if you did, get off yer high horse.
I thought similar.
Don't know about you Gipper, but I think it's good to strive to be less harsh and less of an elitist.
Of course I'm guilty of judging people for liking crap I think's wack, but I'm not proud of it.
Jamie Thomas accusing me of being too serious? Fuck you bitch. You have a reputation that no matter how you spin just screams "skateboarding is serious business." You force your riders to do tricks to stay on the team, make them dress like fucking clowns to sell boards, and have an entire ad series entitled "Die trying." Maybe you could relax a little. And no, I'm not going to buy your stupid little explainations and think, "Hey, Jamie Thomas is just one of the guys, like us!" Fuck that. You are a corporate CEO who comes on here to spin his image and sell his product. Don't feed me your bullshit. I've let it slide, but if you are going to come out like that and accuse me of shit, get ready for your head on the chopping block.
You are such a fucking hypocrite. You get pissed when people want to skate your private park, but then you get pissed when people won't take you to their private spot. What makes you so fucking entitled? Way I heard it you were straight up rude too. Then you even considered posting directions to the pool? Who cares if it won't do any harm, it wasn't your fucking pool to expose. But you feel like some sort of entitled god of the industry, so it did cross your mind. I forgot though, you were on the serious contest known as "king of the road." Remember that? When you took the shit so seriously half of your team riders ended up hurt, and the last time you won it everybody booed you off for taking it so seriously? I think you remember, that's why you didn't come back. Call me an elitest? Call me too serious? Call me too harsh? Fuck you. I skate for fun, and have fun when I skate.
So Mr. Gipper-is-too-serious, When was the last time you just went out and pushed around? Just jumped on a bus to a random part in town and pushed, no camera, no agenda, just having fun. I bet its been 10 years. I do it all the time. I live for it. Who cares what I think about wheels and shit? My opinion is different than yours, but that doesn't mean I can't have fun.
The thing is, I'm not even that picky. Ask a lot of people what they think of Sheckler, colored wheels, or certain flip tricks, and they may be perfectly reasonable people, but will think Sheckler has no business in skateboarding, colored wheels make your board look like a toy, and some flip tricks, whether its a pressure flip, an illusion flip, or a heelflip look ugly. I can be positive too, but I'm not going to pretend some of the bullshit some of the 13 year olds on here are pushing as "cool" is ok.
P.S. "Consistent," Jamie? At least I don't do sketchy shit and then talk like its all about the love on here. Your actions don't match your p.r words.
You're so fucking lame it's ridiculous.
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wow, turkeylurkey sucks so fucking much it's insane
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They have cheeseburgers at del taco?
Brent still loves to just jump on the hate on me bandwagon, but that's ok, I don't respect any of his opinions anyway. He tries REALLY hard to fit in.
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Pretty decent actually. A little too heavy on the ketchup though.
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So is it like McDonalds with tacos or taco bell with burgers?
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clyde, you're a bitch. and if i was in jacksonville this sunday, i'd come up to you and say it right in your face. believe dat!
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So is it like McDonalds with tacos or taco bell with burgers?
I'd say neither, they do equally well on both fronts. Their burgers are so much better than I could have imagined, seeing as it's named "Del Taco" but the burgers can hold their own.
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jt, can you send me some cords.
...as soon as you send me my jersey!
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So is it like McDonalds with tacos or taco bell with burgers?
Agree, plus if you get a meal it comes with crinkle fries it's hard not to spend an extra dollar for the burger for the extra bloat.
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clyde, you're a bitch. and if i was in jacksonville this sunday, i'd come up to you and say it right in your face. believe dat!
i could do it for you if youd like... tho i dont think hed give a fuck about "tiger woods from slap boards" saying hes a bitch.
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clyde, you're a bitch. and if i was in jacksonville this sunday, i'd come up to you and say it right in your face. believe dat!
Clyde lives in LA
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clyde, you're a bitch. and if i was in jacksonville this sunday, i'd come up to you and say it right in your face. believe dat!
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i don't think he would either cheep, but if you could, i'd love you forever.
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It's kind of weird how Clyde was the guy who showed up Pharrell. I still credit him for that.
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3 scoops vanilla bean ice cream
4 graham crackers
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Clyde jus jealous Stevie aint got the love.
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clyde, you're a bitch. and if i was in jacksonville this sunday, i'd come up to you and say it right in your face. believe dat!
I highly doubt it! Clyde's one crazy mutha fucka.
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Was Publius shit talking? Was your entire post not to simply pile on to what he said?
His was a little harsh, that's why I said, I thought similar.
My similar was like I said "that you sounded really harsh and elitist."
I don't know what you would call shit talking, but what I said definately did not fit the definition of shit talking down here. I made a statement of how I percieve your real personality based on your posts here. I always figured you tried to project yourself as an elitist considering you have proudly proclaimed yourself one at least once on here, so why would you get offended when Jaime agrees with me?
ohhhhhhhhhitsbdriftwood, just because the dudes on girl are judgemental assholes doesn't make it cool. Although you do make a good point about it being needed to keep skateboarding "pure", I guess there's just a point where some people stop. Like I'm not gonna vibe someone for having gear I don't like, but I would if they have an attitude that ruins the session.
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that turkey post was one of the worst tirades on this board, seriously embarassing. and what the fuck is wrong with you otis? agreeing with turkey twice in a week? i think its time to delete your account again, you're getting soft.
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that turkey post was one of the worst tirades on this board, seriously embarassing. and what the fuck is wrong with you otis? agreeing with turkey twice in a week? i think its time to delete your account again, you're getting soft.
stop pm'ing me.
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jt, can you send me some cords.
...as soon as you send me my jersey!
i forgot man, shit. i doubt you'll be needing the hoodie though.
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that turkey post was one of the worst tirades on this board, seriously embarassing. and what the fuck is wrong with you otis? agreeing with turkey twice in a week? i think its time to delete your account again, you're getting soft.
stop pm'ing me.
one pm warrants that? you dont even seem like the old iron monkey, more like an alter ego of turkey lurkey. just agreeing/rephrasing all of his idiotic points. wheres the old otis, the one who wasnt so fucking soft
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To borrow Clyde's words, "lets [sic] dissect this."
Clyde's new blog post starts by dismissing the relevancy, not to mention waste of his valuable time, of message board comments. Something about making money and making Scooby mad. However, he obviously perused through this thread to fish out Jamie's reply. Clyde also reinforces that he is no longer pro. So he probably read the "Clyde" thread as well.
Next, Clyde squarely blames the magazines, not himself, for Jamie's assertion that he "ran with" rumors. Although, one should not always believe what one reads, his point holds some ground. His editors seem to be paranoid of offending valuable advertisers by censoring Clyde's rants. So by this logic, the they should too be very reticent of printing libel regarding Mr. Thomas, who own a very successful conglomerate, for fear of losing important advertising revenue. It is important to note here that language, even simple words, is very abstract. Jamie, Sheckler, Danny, Clyde, and the magazine editors all have (take the verb "to be", originally a Sanskrit word meaning "breath" or something) unique ways of conveying and interpreting information.
So basically, I'm saying that a few of the parties involved have a limited comprehension of the English language. Shit just went over their heads. And, Gipper, there is a bicycle that pedals backwords--a fixed gear. As I believe Clyde would win that backpeddling Olympic event because he originally pointed out Jamie (long hair, drawn out 50-50s, who else could that be? well, maybe Dan Haney, but how many boards did he sell?) as the main culprit in "ruining" skateboarding, not the "era" as he now suggests.
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that turkey post was one of the worst tirades on this board
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clyde, you're a bitch. and if i was in jacksonville this sunday, i'd come up to you and say it right in your face. believe dat!
I highly doubt it! Clyde's one crazy mutha fucka.
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hey jamie, let's see you make something like this and rock it at the "ride the sky" premiere
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t289/izzepark/SLPMSGBRD-1.jpg)
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put a little [gnar] button by the nuts too.
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so 2 things i noticed about that magazine that have nothing to do with Jamie Thomas
1. Matt Ball had an ad for Ambigous clothing, hasn't that dude not had a legit sponsor for a while now?
2. Theres some Mountain Dew ad with some fake ass photoshopped ad of a Model riding a skateboard (possibley on a wave) Don't those dudes pay P-Rod and a couple of other clowns to ride for them, hell they sponsor a action sports tour don't they have a grasp at whats wack and what isn't. or couldn't thye at least use a legit pro that they already pay in an ad.
Matt Rides For Birdhouse, Dekline, Ambiguous,Utility Boardshop, Pig Wheels, Speed Metal, and Destructo.
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hey jamie, let's see you make something like this and rock it at the "ride the sky" premiere
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t289/izzepark/SLPMSGBRD-1.jpg)
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(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r148/kanalj/SLAPPals.jpg)
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Clyde, you are REALLY dumb. The MAIN reason 99% of people are on the Slap forum is because we skateboard.
I'm out there in the streets everyday too. Pushing down through the ghetto to get downtown, out there hustling boards to little kids for 20 bucks so I can eat and drink. Scrounging a dollar to ride the bus uptown. For you to make such an asinine statement about how we're all just a bunch of internet lurkers looking to get our jollys by talking shit to you is fucking regular.
And the reason we are all hating on you is because you're claiming to keep it real all the while backing Sheckler like he doesn't deserve the heat he's getting. Theres a handful of people ruining skateboarding and you just so happen to be one of the asshole doing it. Throwing partys at clubs and shit. Get real. REAL skateboarders don't throw club partys...
Seems to me YOU lost your way, talking all that shit, and now you need to backpeddle and rearrange your brimming vocabulary to make yourself seem alittle less stupid. Jamie Thomas may have took skateboarding in a different direction than the picknic table heelflips you were doing, but who the fuck cares? Everyone still skated what they wanted. I know I wasen't out there skating 30 stair rails naked/barefoot. I was doing stalls on curbs and bombing hills.
But the shit Sheckler is doing?!? JESUS. "Let me get sponsored by Redbull, get my own T.V. show, and give all these hot ass teenage girls some insight to my OH SO DIFFICULT life." That motherfucker is crying on national T.V. about how hard it is to go through a divorce like he's the only one. GROW UP.
957,200 people in 2000 were divorced in the US.
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REAL skateboarders don't throw club partys...
nick jensen throws club parties.
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Well then hes a piece of shit too...
He skates really good though. ???
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eatshit, youre killing it. so true.
anyways
jamie, whos firing everyone at blackbox. is it you?
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Apparently if you have less than kind words about Clyde or challenge or disagree with anything he says whatsoever you are an E-nerd stalker that doesn't get pussy.
Soooo rad to see the typical "get out and do something" and "get off the Internet" defense from a person who is on the Internet like all the fucking time themselves, reading and replying like clockwork to every little pissy fucking thing that's said or written about them.
How can someone who acts like they don't give a fuck what people say about them give a fuck sooooooo much that they feel the need to jump all over anyone who dares to formulate an opinion that differs from their own?
Oh, and according to him he still gets tons of offers to be pro.
DAILY.
But dude feels that he went out like George Constanza on a high note and doesn't care or need to be in professional skateboarding any longer.
I used to enjoy this dude, even when he was Big Brother's mascot and more well known for pissing himself than anything he ever did on a skateboard.
Clyde's actually really, really funny but Jesus he has a fucking gigantic ego for how shitty of an actual writer he really is and as a pro skater IMO dude was pretty much average at best. He was in 20 Shot and Trilogy though, can't front on that no matter what kind of shit comes out of his mouth he'll always have that.
I'll save you the reply, Clyde, because obviously you're reading this, even though you want everyone to think you don't care about bullshit like this:
I'M AN ANONYMOUS E-MOTIONAL STALKER CYBERGEEK STAN BLAH BLAH WHATEVER YOU SAY IS GOLD BLAH BLAH NO ONE CAN FUCK WITH YOU BLAH BLAH NO ONE IS ON YOUR LEVEL OF SWAG BLAH BLAH YOU WERE IN VIDEOS AND MAGAZINES AND I WASN'T BLAH BLAH YOU HAVE MORE MONEY THAN GOD BLAH BLAH YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG BLAH BLAH I HAVE A SHITTY JOB AND YOU DON'T BLAH BLAH NO ONE WOULD DARE SAY SHIT TO YOUR FACE BECAUSE YOU CAN KICK EVERY SKATER ON THE PLANET'S ASS BLAH BLAH AND LAST AND MOST IMPORTANTLY I GET NOOOO PUSSY, EVER, EVER, EVER BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
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hey jamie, let's see you make something like this and rock it at the "ride the sky" premiere
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t289/izzepark/SLPMSGBRD-1.jpg)
someone do the sheckler back tattoo t-shirt w. 'slappal'......
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Clyde,
I know we've known each other for 17 years etc..
But by running with it, I meant you read sheckler's pull quotes and understood them to be fact.
When actually the conversation with Danny went different than was the way sheckler received it.
I also see though that you're still taking digs, but whatever. I'll respond to some of the things in your post.
True, I sent Cole an Ozzy shirt once cause I knew he liked Ozzy and the shirt was too big for me. I also sent him a pair of jeans once that we were going to make at Circa.
How this turned into me dressing riders on the regs is beyond me, but this is what I meant by a half-assed rumor.
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The other was trick lists;
When parts are getting close to being done, I try to help the dudes with what types of stuff they still need. I try to let em know what they're missing and they ask for lists. Point is, I'm not at a desk barking orders at who needs to do what.
My point in responding was to let you know that I don't think an 18 year old dude on TV could ever single handedly ruin skateboarding and that shit hurt to read you hating on me for something I supposedly said about dude, like you've thought I was wack for years, but finally took the time to tell me over this.
I don't expect anyone to cry me a river, but thought I'd let you know that I still got nothing bad to say about you.
Peace,
JT
Hey Jamie, after all the E-Stress, these pictures of my little dog Elvis will help you relax:
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z183/Popwarofguns/PA040040.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z183/Popwarofguns/elvis/DSC00423.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z183/Popwarofguns/elvis/DSC00438.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z183/Popwarofguns/elvis/sit.jpg)
:)
Have a sunny day and lots of ice cream, I'll enjoy a cig and a glass of Montepulciano now, give Elvis some chew-sticks and watch Misled Youth.
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(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r148/kanalj/SLAPPals.jpg)
if people really want this ill make them but i still have to do the second batch of old dirty shirts first.
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hey jamie, let's see you make something like this and rock it at the "ride the sky" premiere
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t289/izzepark/SLPMSGBRD-1.jpg)
someone do the sheckler back tattoo t-shirt w. 'slappal'......
now there's an idea.
i'm gonna need one of those.
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you guys are wayyyy too into this site
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i am so down for this.
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jamie were you behind terrel's puprle hair extentions too?
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i want a dog now
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This thread may as well be a new permanent fixture of the boards..
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awwww, your dog is so cute, PopwarOfGuns!
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This thread may as well be a new permanent fixture of the boards..
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hey jamie, let's see you make something like this and rock it at the "ride the sky" premiere
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t289/izzepark/SLPMSGBRD-1.jpg)
paging vicky
I would buy several of these
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someone should make a GWB shirt
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someone should make a fuck GWB and his stupid fucking face and faggot posts shirt
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someone should make a GWB shirt
abd
(http://www.the-gift-wizard.com/image-files/rainbow-fitted-tshirt-deal.jpg)
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scootboard goes out of his way to post the least funny and most annoying pictures
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someone should make a GWB shirt
(http://www.the-gift-wizard.com/image-files/rainbow-fitted-tshirt-deal.jpg)
i love your homophobic posts. hating gay people is the same as hating people of a certain race you homophobe
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someone should make a GWB shirt
good idea, now I will always find a shirt to clean out the cesspool
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Hey boyan, where are you from? Half of your posts don't make any sense to me.
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someone should make a GWB shirt
good idea, now I will always find a shirt to clean out the cesspool
making fun of girl workshop b effectively is like shooting fish in a barrel and yet somehow not one of you cretins has even got fucking close yet.
and that shit above, boyan you stupid, annoying, tintin, poirot, peadophile government little fuck was one of the most fucking pathetic attempts yet.
and if you're not belgian keep it to yourself, i dont fucking care.
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someone should make a GWB shirt
good idea, now I will always find a shirt to clean out the cesspool
making fun of girl workshop b effectively is like shooting fish in a barrel and yet somehow not one of you cretins has even got fucking close yet.
and that shit above, boyan you stupid, annoying, tintin, poirot, peadophile government little fuck was one of the most fucking pathetic attempts yet.
and if you're not belgian keep it to yourself, i dont fucking care.
flattering
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otis b. driftwood is my favorite poster
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otis b. driftwood is my favorite poster
he sure is!
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someone should make a fuck GWB and his stupid fucking face and faggot posts shirt
i pee'd my pants.
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This is what I'm looking for when I open a thread.
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hey jamie, let's see you make something like this and rock it at the "ride the sky" premiere
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t289/izzepark/SLPMSGBRD-1.jpg)
paging vicky
come on, someone do this! i do want royalties of course ;)
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someone should make a GWB shirt
(http://www.the-gift-wizard.com/image-files/rainbow-fitted-tshirt-deal.jpg)
I hope a black hole suddenly emerges in your toilet whilest youre shitting.
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i think i know who he is but honestly, he's more entertaining with his fake account.
ride on "14 year old"...ride 'till the wheels fall off.
oh yeah, they already did.
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Henry Sanchez, Jayme Fortune, and Alex Chalmers were my favorite posters. I really do appreciate having the chance to talk to those guys, even online.
Jamie Thomas' dick DOESN'T get ridden? HAHAHA. Do I need to pull up the "Jamie Thomas APRESH!!11" topic to refresh some of your memories?
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maybe i'm a little late on this, but i thought it was funny how turkeylurkey was getting mad at jamie for taking kotr serious, apparently... i really could have sworn the point of that whole thing was to win? i guess the past winners, including blind and everyones favorite, dlx, took it way to serious, also...
and then gipper accuses jamie of being too serious in general.. what kind of regular fucking accusation is that? "dude man, you're being WAY too serious!" especially for being the dude that went and filmed a back 50-50 on hubba right when he found out it got unknobbed. sounds like you definately just took the bus, grinded it, and left.
fuck turkleylurkey, if anything that dude is way too serious, i can't take reading his posts, they are like the "nothing but the truth" of posts.
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Skating hubba was nothing but fun and an awesome experience. I had no other reason to skate it.
Its ok that you don't like me because I have no respect for you whatsoever. You're a joke.
By the way, I like how you used my old name "Turkey lurkey" just to prove how you've been around long enough to know what my old name was! SOOOOO coool!
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Skating hubba was nothing but fun and an awesome experience. I had no other reason to skate it.
Its ok that you don't like me because I have no respect for you whatsoever. You're a joke.
By the way, I like how you used my old name "Turkey lurkey" just to prove how you've been around long enough to know what my old name was! SOOOOO coool!
haha, how about we agree that we are both jokes.... have you seen the major response to all your posts? it's normally frustration. "oh god, i gotta scroll through this turkeylurkey post, where he talks about some shit nobody cares about"
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i kinda like the gipper :-\
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i kinda like the gipper :-\
Me too, but I like to call him Ragin' Reagan.
Honestly though, there are few people on here that I don't like.
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Skating hubba was nothing but fun and an awesome experience. I had no other reason to skate it.
Its ok that you don't like me because I have no respect for you whatsoever. You're a joke.
By the way, I like how you used my old name "Turkey lurkey" just to prove how you've been around long enough to know what my old name was! SOOOOO coool!
I often get positive responses, as is reflected above.
Look how people respond to your posts:
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another dude trying to cash in on "creative & stylish"?
i think krooked made a bad move adding this dude and luke crocker, until further notice
i swear this guy was a mike mo-ish type a year ago or less
haha. That's like the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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some dude named skeet skeet, skate street?
seriously i feel so bad for anyone that has to skate with you
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if you think about it, the gipper is kind of like a grown up girl workshop b.
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I'd really love to know the outcome of this internet persona fight.
ohh, you guys gotta settle this in a game of I.N.T.E.R.N.E.T., no grabs or coping dancing though
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No coping dancing? Come on! I got a mean chink-chink to rock to feeble to fakie that I just know will get 'em every time!
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No coping dancing? Come on! I got a mean chink-chink to rock to feeble to fakie that I just know will get 'em every time!
i raise you a willy upon reentry...
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what?
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you gonna hide?
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I haven't read this whole thread, but it's funny - I got most all of these "kooks" during the phase where I defended JT justr because I respected him back in the day. This was BEFORE he was on here, and it was very uncool to back him. I'm sure not one Slap Pal will admit it now, but I was the only person on here backing him. I just did a search and stumbled upon an old Half-Cab thread where "gub" was even accusing me of working at Zero! That's pretty funny, and it was pretty common back then. It's also funny how everyone did a quick 180 when JT himself started posting here and suddenly everyone was on his jock. And the board got collective amnesia all of a sudden. Seeing that old thread made me chuckle. I'm sure I can find more if I cared. Gotta love the internet!
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You're so ahead of the times. Gotta love the old self-horn-toot.
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No doubt. I'm sure I'll collect a few more "kooks" with that post. Funny shit. Thanks for that.
People just hate being wrong, me included. This was the one time I was right though.
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this thread is like the pope. all it does is get older and more boring every day and never fucking dies.
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i am deeply catholic and take great offense to your writings.
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who take offense to anything on a message board?
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Probably those "cutter" kids, rascals that they are.
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As long as the remember to to cut "down the block" not "across the street"