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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: green lion on December 19, 2015, 12:36:09 PM
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so quiet .. no words or thx to girl even
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Bad falling out with Girl, also just had a Baby.
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Grade A topic right here.
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i heard they left because they had money tied into fourstar or owned a chip of it and it was recently sold without them receiving any of the money.
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I heard its just because Girl was sold without them(Guy and Koston) having a say.
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Their not making a video
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I heard its just because Guy quit over the phone
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One paycheck from Nike and he doesn't need to work now. He aint called Guy now either, sold them his name. He is now "The skater formally known as Mariano"
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His lip disco shit sucks anyways, Mouse was it
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His lip disco shit sucks anyways, Mouse was it
Agreed100%
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
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Its the holidays and hes made some big changes.
Maybe hes just enjoying family?
Waiting to post footy or commentary to avoid a backlash?
Maybe he has appedicitus and is in hospital lol
Maybe we d8g too deep if someone doesnt post footy daily?
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I heard it was because Rick and Mike were always trying to offer solutions when Guy needed to talk, and Guy just really needed a witness to his feelings, you know? I heard things are just really weird right now...
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
I know which one I damn sure like better
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/187AK/86363ED0-DE60-4E25-A8B0-B9773E5D3E40.jpg)
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(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/187AK/974E2382-C6CB-4BCE-A422-C74DC21CE560.jpg)
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
I know which one I damn sure like better
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/187AK/86363ED0-DE60-4E25-A8B0-B9773E5D3E40.jpg)
[img ]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/187AK/09DC32BC-C642-423C-B555-0BB2545E0019.png[/img]
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d90/187AK/974E2382-C6CB-4BCE-A422-C74DC21CE560.jpg)
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Correct.
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Wise guy gone into hiding ehhhhhh
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so quiet .. no words or thx to girl even
I heard he didn't want to leave Girl but was kicked off after going from Lakai to Nike so maybe they aren't so cool right now.
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
That's because you have no taste
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Mouse-era Guy.
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His lip disco shit sucks anyways, Mouse was it
yes, yes indeed haha, it seems he has been dabbling in the dark arts since fully flared, tho i must say as someone that grew up watching him in ban this, video days etc it warms the cockles of my heart to see him riding well on a board again, just not the laserflip sex change combo type stuff.
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Filming those "Welcome to" parts!
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Definitely in hiding. Most likely witness protection
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yeah, he didn't want to leave Girl, but because Nike shoes have shoelaces in them, and so do Lakai, he got the boot from Girl. True story.
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yeah, he didn't want to leave Girl, but because Nike shoes have shoelaces in them, and so do Lakai, he got the boot from Girl. True story.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/12331931_901277216652978_1756939509_n.jpg)
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I like baby guy the best. The most pure and innocent version of guy.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPhnM2b1Z0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvPhnM2b1Z0#)
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he is going places
(https://imageshack.com/i/pa9VA91pj)
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I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this anymore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM#)
I heard he couldn't handle the industry circa 2015 and went all Network on em. Dudes are just giving him his space now.
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Same could be said for Koston, no? Has he given out some type of 'so long' post on social media/anything in regards to the Girl departure?
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
That's because you have no taste it's the other way around
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
That's because you have no taste it's the other way around
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because he probably feels ashamed for bailing on lakai and riding for nike. he probably lies awake at night thinking if he made the right choice.
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He sold his soul for a paycheck. To think that he wasn't getting paid a fair wage riding for Lakai and Girl is naive. He was one of the most marketable riders.
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Guy Mariano and Marc Johnson got Pinch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x0b8hQDWO4#)
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Who cut Guy's hair
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Who cut Guy's hair
His Barber. ;)
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His Barber. ;)
Honesty, these stupid hair cuts these guys are rocking is one the the dumber trends to ever be adopted in skateboarding.
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Honesty, these stupid hair cuts these guys are rocking is one the the dumber trends to ever be adopted in skateboarding.
Have a lot of people made fun of puff-face p rod's hair?
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Let him hide, he's had his entire life exposed by the skateboarding media
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He sold his soul for a paycheck. To think that he wasn't getting paid a fair wage riding for Lakai and Girl is naive. He was one of the most marketable riders.
He's 39 years old. It's naive to think that lakai and girl can provide him with enough to live on for the rest of his life. Nike probably offered to double what he's getting and how could you turn that down?? Although I still don't understand why he left girl, Nike proposed something he couldn't refuse.
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He sold his soul for a paycheck. To think that he wasn't getting paid a fair wage riding for Lakai and Girl is naive. He was one of the most marketable riders.
He's 39 years old. It's naive to think that lakai and girl can provide him with enough to live on for the rest of his life. Nike probably offered to double what he's getting and how could you turn that down?? Although I still don't understand why he left girl, Nike proposed something he couldn't refuse.
Quite easily, as it's obvious nike has no actual interest in skateboarding other than their ability to make money off of it. How can you love money more than skateboarding when skateboarding has given you everything you have? How can you want to promote and support a soulless corporation over riding for a friends and team-mates company which is rooted in skateboarding?
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He sold his soul for a paycheck. To think that he wasn't getting paid a fair wage riding for Lakai and Girl is naive. He was one of the most marketable riders.
He's 39 years old. It's naive to think that lakai and girl can provide him with enough to live on for the rest of his life. Nike probably offered to double what he's getting and how could you turn that down?? Although I still don't understand why he left girl, Nike proposed something he couldn't refuse.
Because they pay more, make better shoes and better video clips than your friends sinking ship.
Your also 39 by this stage.
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Because they pay more, make better shoes and better video clips than your friends sinking ship.
Your also 39 by this stage.
Nike and any other sporting goods company knows the only way to get pros is to buy them. That's all they have, money. Not a single drop of love, passion, or interest in skateboarding in and of itself. Money.
boof nailed it. When you start to love money more than skateboarding you're fucked.
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Money will always be more important than skateboarding. I don't know what reality you're living in ^
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Money will always be more important than skateboarding. I don't know what reality you're living in ^
Money is more important than a lot of things for many people on Earth. Not me.
I've been broke and homeless with a backpack on my back and a board under my feet and never felt happier in my life.
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Money will always be more important than skateboarding. I don't know what reality you're living in ^
Money is more important than a lot of things for many people on Earth. Not me.
I've been broke and homeless with a backpack on my back and a board under my feet and never felt happier in my life.
Are you pushing 40 with a family?
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nike is a smart move for guy
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The guy (lol) was a crack addict/ tweaker on skid row for a big chunk of his life... it's hard to blame him for wanting a bit of financial security. It would be nice to know what happened with girl because there's not an obvious motive there.
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All of you talking shit on Nike forget in the early 2000s they were saving shops by not selling sb anywhere but real skate shops . Most of you twits weren't born yet so learn your history . They had a nice sized team and treated them well. After Sandy Bodecker left , they lost their way and now treat skateboarding like every other sport, they buy everyone and everything.... Look at the nba or nfl.
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are you saying nike singlehandedly saved skateboarding in the early 2000s by only selling the sb line in skate shops? I really doubt that's true. skateboarding survived the 90s without any help from nike. pretty sure it would have been fine.
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All of you talking shit on Nike forget in the early 2000s they were saving shops by not selling sb anywhere but real skate shops . Most of you twits weren't born yet so learn your history . They had a nice sized team and treated them well. After Sandy Bodecker left , they lost their way and now treat skateboarding like every other sport, they buy everyone and everything.... Look at the nba or nfl.
That was 16 years ago, bruhbruh. If you're going to talk about this like it's relevant and happened yesterday, bring up the fact that the good that Nike possibly did for some shops way back when is outweighed by the fact that many local shops (The one I support, in fact) are currently fucking in debt to Nike because the sneaker heads aren't trying to go chill at the small local shop waiting for blue lobsters anymore. The sneaker heads either don't exist or try and cop at the local Zumiez so they can cross the hall and cop a SnapBack to match the rest of their disgusting kit they just bought. Also regarding the 'Nike SB kept local shops open, your statement, although arguably within the realm of possibility at best, can't be verified. What shops were in danger of going under but were saved by the benevolent corporation? Did Nike sign over that check to pay the rent for the shops? Was nobody in there at all buying anything? I call bullshit, especially considering skateboarding was fucking booming in the early 2000s. Were these shops not around in the mid-late 90's? Skateboarding only got bigger year by year at that point, and you're arguing that it was solely Nike saving these shops when every kid wanted a skateboard in 2000?
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The guy (lol) was a crack addict/ tweaker on skid row for a big chunk of his life... it's hard to blame him for wanting a bit of financial security. It would be nice to know what happened with girl because there's not an obvious motive there.
You missed the point. He already had all the financial security he needed when he was on Lakai and Girl. Nobody fucking needs or deserves Nike money.
All of you talking shit on Nike forget in the early 2000s they were saving shops by not selling sb anywhere but real skate shops . Most of you twits weren't born yet so learn your history . They had a nice sized team and treated them well. After Sandy Bodecker left , they lost their way and now treat skateboarding like every other sport, they buy everyone and everything.... Look at the nba or nfl.
You're completely wrong. Nike never "saved" shops by selling their shoes there. All the local shops around me besides a couple have STOPPED selling Nike because their business practices were complete shit. There was no say in what shoe models or colors you would be getting in your shop. There were other details that I can't remember but basically some shops got the good end of the stick and others got the shit. All the shops that stopped selling Nike are doing great. Vans have made a huge comeback and are big sellers along with some of the other core shoe companies. Nike entered core shops simply as a means, it was never done in the interests of the shops themselves.
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Because they pay more, make better shoes and better video clips than your friends sinking ship.
Your also 39 by this stage.
Nike and any other sporting goods company knows the only way to get pros is to buy them. That's all they have, money. Not a single drop of love, passion, or interest in skateboarding in and of itself. Money.
boof nailed it. When you start to love money more than skateboarding you're fucked.
So nike was cofunded by Bill Bowerman . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bowerman
over his career, he trained 31 Olympic athletes, 51 All-Americans, 12 American record-holders, 22 NCAA champions and 16 sub-4 minute milers. During his 24 years as coach at the University of Oregon, the Ducks track and field team had a winning season every season but one, attained 4 NCAA titles, and finished in the top 10 in the nation 16 times.
No passion ?
If there was no money in skateboarding , we would have very few pros . I made a thread about Nike and Adidas in skateboarding before , I not many people there were trashing Nike / Adidas . Seems people only trash them when you can make quick harsh comments . Most people seemed to agree that the skateboading industry is fucking itself over by making inferior products and such
So many skater have a weird image of skating . Skating is a life style , skating is a art , we are better them
MMA is a art no ? Marial arts is a art form , its deff a life style since all you do is train . Ice hockey is a art , Ice hockey is a life style .
Basketball is a art , you seen stephen curry shooting 3s ?
Every skate company is buying pros . with flowing products , giving people pro models , giving them a paycheck . Skaters skate the product they are given , wear the shirts and hats with sponsors name
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Because they pay more, make better shoes and better video clips than your friends sinking ship.
Your also 39 by this stage.
Nike and any other sporting goods company knows the only way to get pros is to buy them. That's all they have, money. Not a single drop of love, passion, or interest in skateboarding in and of itself. Money.
boof nailed it. When you start to love money more than skateboarding you're fucked.
So nike was cofunded by Bill Bowerman . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Bowerman
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over his career, he trained 31 Olympic athletes, 51 All-Americans, 12 American record-holders, 22 NCAA champions and 16 sub-4 minute milers. During his 24 years as coach at the University of Oregon, the Ducks track and field team had a winning season every season but one, attained 4 NCAA titles, and finished in the top 10 in the nation 16 times.
No passion ?
If there was no money in skateboarding , we would have very few pros . I made a thread about Nike and Adidas in skateboarding before , I not many people there were trashing Nike / Adidas . Seems people only trash them when you can make quick harsh comments . Most people seemed to agree that the skateboading industry is fucking itself over by making inferior products and such
So many skater have a weird image of skating . Skating is a life style , skating is a art , we are better them
MMA is a art no ? Marial arts is a art form , its deff a life style since all you do is train . Ice hockey is a art , Ice hockey is a life style .
Basketball is a art , you seen stephen curry shooting 3s ?
Every skate company is buying pros . with flowing products , giving people pro models , giving them a paycheck . Skaters skate the product they are given , wear the shirts and hats with sponsors name
When I say Nike doesn't have passion, I meant about skateboarding specifically, because its not a sport. They're interested in the profits. When it comes to sports, I'm sure they're very passionate. And I guess to an extent core companies are "buying" skateboarders but the pros are mostly making the decision to join a team based on the people they vibe with and the sense of community.
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Guess some people need nike money:
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2015/04/28/finding-home-with-chet-childress/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2015/04/28/finding-home-with-chet-childress/)
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Guy needs to be very careful not to fall off the wagon again, a dramatic increase of wealth and feelings of inadequacy due to lack of fortitude* is a very slippery slope for a former addict. But who knows maybe Koston brought him along to some narconon thetan brainwash shit and the only drug he would ever want now is the totally awesome and totally true teachings of L.ron.
* I don't see how you can feel good about riding for nike these days unless you have a strong predisposition for avarice.
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread.
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run".
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters.
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Nike never saved shops lol wtf...Shops got scammed hard trying to earn the Nike SB contract only to find out they had to purchase the entire line, i.e. shoes you don't skate in. Skaters have only liked dunks and janoskis/selects so now the shop has to carry over 15 different shoes? Wtf? So now in order to sell the shoes to hype beast kooks they got to buy streetwear shit to attract those customers into the store.
Nike turned skate shops into lame ass street wear boutiques. Lots of shops went out of business because of this due to not being successful on the brutal Nike contract.
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He sold his soul for a paycheck. To think that he wasn't getting paid a fair wage riding for Lakai and Girl is naive. He was one of the most marketable riders.
He's 39 years old. It's naive to think that lakai and girl can provide him with enough to live on for the rest of his life. Nike probably offered to double what he's getting and how could you turn that down?? Although I still don't understand why he left girl, Nike proposed something he couldn't refuse.
Getting a check from Nike doesn't mean you love money more than skateboarding. You think he could really retire off of lakai money? Of course not. Guy definitely didn't just jump to Nike without hesitation, I'm sure it was hard as shit for him to leave. But the thing is if you asked mike Carroll and Rick Howard they would say he did what was best for him.
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Nike hardgoods coming soon. Full line of boards and wheels.
They make soccer balls, baseball bats, tennis racquets, now they are going to make skateboards.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/200865470892-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread.
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run".
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters.
Just because skater owned/run/backed companies may be in the minority, it doesn't justify supporting sporting goods companies.
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread.
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run".
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters.
Just because skater owned/run/backed companies may be in the minority, it doesn't justify supporting sporting goods companies.
People start skate companies to make money dude. Doing it for the 'love' doesn't always put food in front of your family.
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread.
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run".
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters.
Just because skater owned/run/backed companies may be in the minority, it doesn't justify supporting sporting goods companies.
thats not what i'm talking about. i said go to a trade show and see who most of your so-called "core" companies are ran/owned/and backed by. the vast majority are surfer kooks or guys that haven't set foot on a skateboard since the late 80s. the "skater owned company" is largely an illusion.
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread.
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run".
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters.
Just because skater owned/run/backed companies may be in the minority, it doesn't justify supporting sporting goods companies.
People start skate companies to make money dude. Doing it for the 'love' doesn't always put food in front of your family.
Of course they start the company with hopes of making money. But they're making money doing something they love. That's as good as you can do in life this day in age. Ricky Oyola's company, Traffic, isn't insanely popular therefore he's had to work average jobs just like most of society. However, last time I checked Traffic is still alive and making quality goods. If all he cared about was money he would have quit and let the company die out.
thats not what i'm talking about. i said go to a trade show and see who most of your so-called "core" companies are ran/owned/and backed by. the vast majority are surfer kooks or guys that haven't set foot on a skateboard since the late 80s. the "skater owned company" is largely an illusion.
You're exaggerating.
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread.
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run".
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters.
Just because skater owned/run/backed companies may be in the minority, it doesn't justify supporting sporting goods companies.
People start skate companies to make money dude. Doing it for the 'love' doesn't always put food in front of your family.
Nobody is saying skater owned companies dont want to make money, the point is you can choose to support actual skaters or support a sporting goods company that had no other agenda in skating other than money. It blows my mind that people on here are willing to talk about every tiny deatil about skating with total strangers, but then choose not to support the very industry they invest so much time in.
And for the record, the arguement about making better shoes is such a load of shit, but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
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I'm sure Guy was in a good place financially while he was on Girl and Lakai at least compared to most people anyway. If he wanted to secure income for when he retires from skating he could of bought to let like Elissa did or he could of started a gardening company with Rudy. Doesn't he co own Royal and Fourstar as well?
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Nobody is saying skater owned companies dont want to make money, the point is you can choose to support actual skaters or support a sporting goods company that had no other agenda in skating other than money. It blows my mind that people on here are willing to talk about every tiny deatil about skating with total strangers, but then choose not to support the very industry they invest so much time in.
And for the record, the arguement about making better shoes is such a load of shit, but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Finally, someone gets it.
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Nobody is saying skater owned companies dont want to make money, the point is you can choose to support actual skaters or support a sporting goods company that had no other agenda in skating other than money. It blows my mind that people on here are willing to talk about every tiny deatil about skating with total strangers, but then choose not to support the very industry they invest so much time in.
And for the record, the arguement about making better shoes is such a load of shit, but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Finally, someone gets it.
The higher ups in Nike dont have to love Ice hockey , track and field or Skateboarding . They just have to hire people who love and feel passionate about those activities
I said it in the other thread . What does skater owned really mean ? Is girl still skater owned ? they have outside investors . And even if they are skater owned . As far as quality things Ive heard about girl is shitty graphics , Chinese inferior wood , bad shapes and that the Pro and Am team might be skating different wood from what we are buying
Ive only heard one person talk good about royal trucks , from what Ive read on slap it seems to be the worst truck company out there , even people on the Royal team skate different trucks
Lakai used to be pretty damn shitty quality , its improved alot since its start but there was a time where went through them very fast .
I think a big point to bring up here is that most Pros and Ams have no healthcare or retirement plan . You can go for a backside lipslide on a hand rail . wreck a knee or both and all your sponsors can drop you . I mean Im sure many companies would let you stay and
hope you recover , or even help you . But Any trick you go for could end your career
The idea to get as much money as possible while you can seems pretty good
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seems like a lot of naive teenagers in this thread. �
also 15 years in, and Nike is still looked at as "take the money and run". �
go to a trade show sometime and tell me how many of your favorite "core" skate companies are actually owned/run/backed by real skaters. �
Just because skater owned/run/backed companies may be in the minority, it doesn't justify supporting sporting goods companies.
People start skate companies to make money dude. Doing it for the 'love' doesn't always put food in front of your family.
Of course they start the company with hopes of making money. But they're making money doing something they love. That's as good as you can do in life this day in age. Ricky Oyola's company, Traffic, isn't insanely popular therefore he's had to work average jobs just like most of society. However, last time I checked Traffic is still alive and making quality goods. If all he cared about was money he would have quit and let the company die out.
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thats not what i'm talking about.� i said go to a trade show and see who most of your so-called "core" companies are ran/owned/and backed by.� the vast majority are surfer kooks or guys that haven't set foot on a skateboard since the late 80s.� the "skater owned company" is largely an illusion.�
You're exaggerating.
Pretty sure the Theories guys pretty much run Traffic now, not sure how involved Ricky is.
For shoe companies there probably isn't a company that is fully "core" now due to the insane costs involved in just a productionline of one shoe. DVS was always surfer owned plus Gavin, Lakai was under podium and now is controlled by a VC, Huf has a significant amount owned by the same VC, Dekline (who a lot bashed here) was probably the closest to core left and is done, and I don't think Pierre of Sole Tech has had a board or filmed something since the late 80's. Board companies are a different deal, many are still owned and skater ran.
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I think a big point to bring up here is that most Pros and Ams have no healthcare or retirement plan
The fact that people can get paid to ride a skateboard is amazing. But this sense of entitlement I've read a lot on the internet, how some pro's "deserve" this or that...listen, no one is entitled to anything in life. Pro skateboarders are not entitled to health insurance plans. Most people on this Earth are forced to work jobs they hate and get paid non-livable wages. So even if you're not making a ton of money as a skateboarder, if you can make enough to live a decent life you shouldn't be complaining at all.
I don't think Pierre of Sole Tech has had a board or filmed something since the late 80's.
Also, older dudes like Pierre don't need to come out with footage or a new board with their name on it to maintain credibility from anyone in the world. Assuming he never sets foot on a skateboard anymore is regular. I guarantee Rodney Mullen skates every day and he hasn't had a full part since what, the Almost videos? These old dudes have already lived out their younger years and skated their asses off. Just because they reach old age and they're not on Instagram posting a new clip every day doesn't mean they're kooks or irrelevant.
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Nobody is saying skater owned companies dont want to make money, the point is you can choose to support actual skaters or support a sporting goods company that had no other agenda in skating other than money. It blows my mind that people on here are willing to talk about every tiny deatil about skating with total strangers, but then choose not to support the very industry they invest so much time in.
And for the record, the arguement about making better shoes is such a load of shit, but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
Finally, someone gets it.
As far as quality things Ive heard about girl is shitty graphics , Chinese inferior wood , bad shapes and that the Pro and Am team might be skating different wood from what we are buying
Not all their graphics are shitty. And there's no such thing as Chinese wood in skateboards. It's all maple from North America. Most companies have their decks pressed in China because it's cheaper and faster.
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I think a big point to bring up here is that most Pros and Ams have no healthcare or retirement plan
The fact that people can get paid to ride a skateboard is amazing. But this sense of entitlement I've read a lot on the internet, how some pro's "deserve" this or that...listen, no one is entitled to anything in life. Pro skateboarders are not entitled to health insurance plans. Most people on this Earth are forced to work jobs they hate and get paid non-livable wages. So even if you're not making a ton of money as a skateboarder, if you can make enough to live a decent life you shouldn't be complaining at all.
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I don't think Pierre of Sole Tech has had a board or filmed something since the late 80's.
Also, older dudes like Pierre don't need to come out with footage or a new board with their name on it to maintain credibility from anyone in the world. Assuming he never sets foot on a skateboard anymore is regular. I guarantee Rodney Mullen skates every day and he hasn't had a full part since what, the Almost videos? These old dudes have already lived out their younger years and skated their asses off. Just because they reach old age and they're not on Instagram posting a new clip every day doesn't mean they're kooks or irrelevant.
You really belive that a 49 year old man skates everyday? just because he is a legend or something?
As you said the big industry figures have gained their credibility years ago.
We are just consumers and these guys owe us nothing.
Who really gives a fuck if they skate or not?
Props to guy for getting paid.
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I think a big point to bring up here is that most Pros and Ams have no healthcare or retirement plan
The fact that people can get paid to ride a skateboard is amazing. But this sense of entitlement I've read a lot on the internet, how some pro's "deserve" this or that...listen, no one is entitled to anything in life. Pro skateboarders are not entitled to health insurance plans. Most people on this Earth are forced to work jobs they hate and get paid non-livable wages. So even if you're not making a ton of money as a skateboarder, if you can make enough to live a decent life you shouldn't be complaining at all.
Ill start numbering things off here
1: People get paid to play video games , grow flowers , clean houses . People get paid alot of money to have other people watch them put a ball into a goal with their feet . Why is it so amazing you can get paid to skateboard ?
2:Everybody in the world should have a retirement plan and a healthcare plan . I come from a country that has pretty much free healthcare and I think its pretty crazy that not all countries have this . I dont understand how you can be against everybody getting taken care off if you get hurt
3:What is "enough to live a decent life " I mean when you are 18 and can share a apartment with 3 skate friends , sleeping on couches and eating ok . Technically that is a decent life , but that changes when you get married and have kids doesnt it ? . Are you suggesting
caps in wages for skateboarders ?
who in the company decides what a " decent life " is ? . Im sure shane oniell was selling more boards then Matt beach was , he was also producing more footage then matt beach . Should both get paid the same ? and at what point do you you think they should cut Shanes pay check ? cause he can live a decent life ?
If shane oniell is bringing in lets say 70% of skatementals income , why should he get paid the same as somebody who only brings in 10% ? and if he is bringing so much money , why should he have to share a apartment with 3 other skaters ? just cause he worked extremely hard to become a pro , but he should consider himself lucky and blessed ?
5: There would be alot less pros if they only made enough money to suport themself . Every skater that had a girlfriend / wife / kids would have to quit to get another job to support themselves and their family . A pro skateboarder who lives in Copenhagen doesnt really need a car , but a skateboarder who lives in California needs a car . A skater with 3 kids a dog and a wife needs more money then a skater who lives with his friends in a small appartment . Who decides what a Decent life is ? I mean the skater can live of pizza while the skaters kids shouldnt eat pizza 2 times a day ?
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Guy Mariano and Marc Johnson got Pinch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x0b8hQDWO4#)
That video was fucking awesome. 8)
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Nike hardgoods coming soon. Full line of boards and wheels.
They make soccer balls, baseball bats, tennis racquets, now they are going to make skateboards.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/200865470892-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
i'm clowning the first person i see with a nike sb board, idgaf how good the sweatshop pop is on that board that shit is getting focused.
the shoes, yeah i could see why you would buy them but fucking really? hypebeasts are going to be mall grabbing this shit when the new dunk colorway comes out at the footlocker next to the tillys at some mall. but in other news i wonder where they are getting to boards pressed at.
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Nike hardgoods coming soon. Full line of boards and wheels.
They make soccer balls, baseball bats, tennis racquets, now they are going to make skateboards.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/200865470892-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
the shoes, yeah i could see why you would buy them but fucking really? hypebeasts are going to be mall grabbing this shit when the new dunk colorway comes out at the footlocker next to the tillys at some mall. but in other news i wonder where they are getting to boards pressed at.
If this is true, it smells of the Olympics to me... The sith are strong at this shit...
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If nike is getting into hardgoods, it might be interesting to see if they try to add new technologies to decks.
Just like golf etc they really put out solid stuff and are constantly trying to innovate.
Dont get me wrong, I wish nike never entered skateboarding. But realistically its not going to leave so might as well see what they put out.
And imagine the team they could buy???
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If nike is getting into hardgoods, it might be interesting to see if they try to add new technologies to decks.
Throughout the years, various companies have tried to introduce new technologies to decks and trucks but skaters have not bit. If Nike succeeds where they failed, it'll bum me out because the only difference would be the Nike hype machine convincing skaters to try them out.
That board is hideous, btw. The swooshes on their shoes are bad enough but a deck that has "Nike SB" emblazoned on it in huge lettering on a brown marbled background is absolutely vomit inducing.
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I think we all knew this day was coming
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Fuck nike.
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As you said the big industry figures have gained their credibility years ago.
We are just consumers and these guys owe us nothing.
Who really gives a fuck if they skate or not?
Props to guy for getting paid.
All you did was repeat my points and then add "props to guy for getting paid". Therefore, you support someone who turned their back on skateboarding. Good stuff.
Ill start numbering things off here
1: People get paid to play video games , grow flowers , clean houses . People get paid alot of money to have other people watch them put a ball into a goal with their feet . Why is it so amazing you can get paid to skateboard ?
2:Everybody in the world should have a retirement plan and a healthcare plan . I come from a country that has pretty much free healthcare and I think its pretty crazy that not all countries have this . I dont understand how you can be against everybody getting taken care off if you get hurt
3:What is "enough to live a decent life " I mean when you are 18 and can share a apartment with 3 skate friends , sleeping on couches and eating ok . Technically that is a decent life , but that changes when you get married and have kids doesnt it ? . Are you suggesting
caps in wages for skateboarders ?
who in the company decides what a " decent life " is ? . Im sure shane oniell was selling more boards then Matt beach was , he was also producing more footage then matt beach . Should both get paid the same ? and at what point do you you think they should cut Shanes pay check ? cause he can live a decent life ?
If shane oniell is bringing in lets say 70% of skatementals income , why should he get paid the same as somebody who only brings in 10% ? and if he is bringing so much money , why should he have to share a apartment with 3 other skaters ? just cause he worked extremely hard to become a pro , but he should consider himself lucky and blessed ?
5: There would be alot less pros if they only made enough money to suport themself . Every skater that had a girlfriend / wife / kids would have to quit to get another job to support themselves and their family . A pro skateboarder who lives in Copenhagen doesnt really need a car , but a skateboarder who lives in California needs a car . A skater with 3 kids a dog and a wife needs more money then a skater who lives with his friends in a small appartment . Who decides what a Decent life is ? I mean the skater can live of pizza while the skaters kids shouldnt eat pizza 2 times a day ?
1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. The healthcare system here in The States is definitely messed up, and I'm certainly not against free healthcare at all. Nor am I saying I want skateboarders to not have health insurance. I'm just saying no one is entitled to anything in life. If you want it, earn it. If you are a professional skateboarder and you ride for core companies and they can't pay you enough to have food, water, shelter, dropping those sponsors and going to Nike or any sporting goods company is not the right way to go about it. And again, my point is Guy was absolutely getting more than food, water, and shelter. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. Where the fuck did you get the idea I want "salary caps" for skateboarders? The pros getting paid insane amounts of money are the ones gobbling corporate dick. Getting paid to live a decent life means you can survive and also have extra money to do what you want in your free time. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5. Every human being has a different definition of what a "decent life" is. But let's face it, if you think you need an Audi, a mansion, butlers, hair stylists, and personal chefs to live a comfortable life, you're fucked. So yes, there would be a lot less pros if they expected to be paid money like Nyjah. It goes back to the sense of entitlement. Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
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Turned thier back on skateboarding? You're rediculous.....
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I love when people that live in first world countries post on internet forums about what they determine a "decent life" is for others.
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1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5.Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
You're hilarious. Where do you get your information from? Plenty of people wake up happy to work for McDonald's everyday. Rick and Mike pay themselves before they even have a second thought about what a fair living wage or what the correct reimbursement value of a team riders effort is worth. I you're presented with the option to either remain a "full time" professional or substitute your income by getting another job or "making art and selling it" and your decision making process involves "keeping it core" then that's great that you have that luxury. Tell me, where are you getting this insider knowledge about what "successful core companies" are doin for their riders and their families? The management gets payed first.
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That nike board, bumbaclaat, the schism continues
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I love when people that live in first world countries post on internet forums about what they determine a "decent life" is for others.
You must not have read my first sentence in my response to #5. However, it's a universal truth that you're living pretty good if you can afford to eat well, drink clean water, and sleep comfortably in a climate controlled house or apartment. You think a homeless person wouldn't be more than happy with that? It's important to look at the bigger picture and keep an open perspective.
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That putrid Nike deck is from 2006 though, and not made by Nike, as far as I can tell...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nike-SB-Skateboard-Deck-Designer-Series-Ltd-50-Count-NUMBER-003-/200865470892 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nike-SB-Skateboard-Deck-Designer-Series-Ltd-50-Count-NUMBER-003-/200865470892)
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Even tho Nike is 'in it for the money' like you core kooks like to say, I've never skated a park sponsored by Lakai. Just saying.
Plus yes. The shoes are better. Just because you add 'for the record' to the front doesn't make it so.
And also. I never see a single pair of Diamon or Filament shoes being rocked in the 'post the shoes I'm wearing' thread for everyone who gets a hard on for 'skater owned'
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Even tho Nike is 'in it for the money' like you core kooks like to say, I've never skated a park sponsored by Lakai. Just saying.
Plus yes. The shoes are better. Just because you add 'for the record' to the front doesn't make it so.
And also. I never see a single pair of Diamon or Filament shoes being rocked in the 'post the shoes I'm wearing' thread for everyone who gets a hard on for 'skater owned'
Do you know what a kook is? Lol, Diamond shoes aren't skate shoes, they're lifestyle. And do you really think that just because you don't see people posting pictures of the shoes they're wearing on a forum that it discredits a skater owned company? Holy shit...
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Do you know what marketing is? Why can't you skate a 'lifestyle shoe' what the fuck do you think people were skating before the advent of 'skate shoes'?
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THERES FOOTAGE OF TOM PENNY RIPPING IN TIMBERLANDS FOR GODS SAKE
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THERES FOOTAGE OF TOM PENNY RIPPING IN TIMBERLANDS FOR GODS SAKE
Lol, go skate some Timberland boots and come back and tell me how they worked out for you.
So basically, you're saying skate shoes are a gimmick and don't affect your skating? Skateboarding shoes were created by skateboarders to skate in. Not to go party on a yacht and look cool (Diamond shoes).
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THERES FOOTAGE OF TOM PENNY RIPPING IN TIMBERLANDS FOR GODS SAKE
Lol, go skate some Timberland boots and come back and tell me how they worked out for you.
So basically, you're saying skate shoes are a gimmick and don't affect your skating? Skateboarding shoes were created by skateboarders to skate in. Not to go party on a yacht and look cool (Diamond shoes).
i guess the irony of Vans first being made as boat shoes is lost on you.
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THERES FOOTAGE OF TOM PENNY RIPPING IN TIMBERLANDS FOR GODS SAKE
Lol, go skate some Timberland boots and come back and tell me how they worked out for you.
So basically, you're saying skate shoes are a gimmick and don't affect your skating? Skateboarding shoes were created by skateboarders to skate in. Not to go party on a yacht and look cool (Diamond shoes).
i guess the irony of Vans first being made as boat shoes is lost on you.
I was speaking of skate shoe companies that came out after Vans (Sole Tech, etc). Even though Vans were originally lounge/beachy surfer shoes there's a reason they were adapted by skaters and morphed into what they are today. Because they work well.
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I've seen dudes who rip harder than me do it in airspeeds, polo brand, even sketchers. Skate shoes were invented for whoever started Etnies ( first pro model skate shoe for Natas) and whoever Started Vans ( the era started as a lifestyle shoe for the surf culture, then the z-boys started rocking them) make a shitload of money and it works. They have so many of dudes worshipping 'skater owned' and getting emotionally invested in making them richer, but they don't see it cause their 'CORE BROOOO'
If you need xlk, g6 or whatever bullshit they've invented, then you are dumb and you should feel lucky that you can have these arguments when people out in the world can't afford to skate, or eat.
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I keep opening this thread thinking I'm going to read something about Guy lol.
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I've seen dudes who rip harder than me do it in airspeeds, polo brand, even sketchers. Skate shoes were invented for whoever started Etnies ( first pro model skate shoe for Natas) and whoever Started Vans ( the era started as a lifestyle shoe for the surf culture, then the z-boys started rocking them) make a shitload of money and it works. They have so many of dudes worshipping 'skater owned' and getting emotionally invested in making them richer, but they don't see it cause their 'CORE BROOOO'
If you need xlk, g6 or whatever bullshit they've invented, then you are dumb and you should feel lucky that you can have these arguments when people out in the world can't afford to skate, or eat.
This thread isn't about whether skate shoes or non skate shoes work for skateboarding. It's been a bit derailed (I'll take some responsibility for that) but the point was to give your opinion about why Guy is currently low key. I shared my opinion about sports companies and it's gone off from there. Let's try to stay somewhat on track.
I don't need nor am I currently wearing any Lakai, Emerica, or Es. I have many times in the past but I find what works for me and stick with it. Vans' regular classics (old skool, half cab) are great along with the pro classics (era pro, half cab pro). I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Sports. Companies. Don't Care. Core. Companies. Do. Care. There's politics in everything in life, and I'm just saying you should be mindful of what you're doing and mindful of what you support with your hard earned money.
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I bet Guy is lo key because he's gonna have a part drop soon. Just my opinion
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1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5.Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
Where do you get YOUR information from? To suggest that Rick and Mike don't know what a "fair living wage" is for their riders is laughable. Crailtap riders are up until now the most loyal in the industry. Have you read MJ's Jenkem interview? He breaks down how there is no need to skate for a brand like Nike because he gets so well looked after at Lakai. Guy (like Gino) basically just spat in their faces after years of support for doing everything besides skating. And does it really matter who gets paid first? It's quite obvious they all get paid and quite handsomely at that.
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1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5.Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
Where do you get YOUR information from? To suggest that Rick and Mike don't know what a "fair living wage" is for their riders is laughable. Crailtap riders are up until now the most loyal in the industry. Have you read MJ's Jenkem interview? He breaks down how there is no need to skate for a brand like Nike because he gets so well looked after at Lakai. Guy (like Gino) basically just spat in their faces after years of support for doing everything besides skating. And does it really matter who gets paid first? It's quite obvious they all get paid and quite handsomely at that.
Good work, I got lost in responses and didn't catch that one but would have basically said the same thing as you.
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You say this dude spit in his bosses faces. But do you really know what went down????
Of course not.
And 'core' companies (traffic, etc) dont exactly lead their riders to being able to live comfortably. Most of the guys on those types of teams likely know that it's a short step above being a hobby. Hence why so many of them have side jobs or are continuing their education.
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1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5.Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
Where do you get YOUR information from? To suggest that Rick and Mike don't know what a "fair living wage" is for their riders is laughable. Crailtap riders are up until now the most loyal in the industry. Have you read MJ's Jenkem interview? He breaks down how there is no need to skate for a brand like Nike because he gets so well looked after at Lakai. Guy (like Gino) basically just spat in their faces after years of support for doing everything besides skating. And does it really matter who gets paid first? It's quite obvious they all get paid and quite handsomely at that.
Well he says how there is no need for HIM to skate for a big brand, but also says that he understands why people do. He also talks a lot about some of the worst people he has come across have been those running "core companies".
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/07/16/the-marc-johnson-interview/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/07/16/the-marc-johnson-interview/)
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There are 2 rumors on here about Guy leaving Crailtap.
1. Can't be on Nike and ride for crail.
2. When crail got bought out by the investment company Guy and Koston got the short end of the stick in terms of ownership royalties.
I'm betting it's rumor 2. Gino has explained leaving a dozen times
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Plus yes. The shoes are better. Just because you add 'for the record' to the front doesn't make it so.
Honest question: How are Nike shoes better? What makes them better? I'm really curious. If you can convince me, I will try a pair (preferably without any swooshes on the sides).
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Plus yes. The shoes are better. Just because you add 'for the record' to the front doesn't make it so.
Honest question: How are Nike shoes better? What makes them better? I'm really curious. If you can convince me, I will try a pair (preferably without any swooshes on the sides).
you strike me as someone who wears straight laced puffy shoes. . please post the shoes you're wearing right now or else im going to keep my assumption
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Plus yes. The shoes are better. Just because you add 'for the record' to the front doesn't make it so.
Honest question: How are Nike shoes better? What makes them better? I'm really curious. If you can convince me, I will try a pair (preferably without any swooshes on the sides).
lol good luck
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There are 2 rumors on here about Guy leaving Crailtap.
1. Can't be on Nike and ride for crail.
2. When crail got bought out by the investment company Guy and Koston got the short end of the stick in terms of ownership royalties.
I'm betting it's rumor 2. Gino has explained leaving a dozen times
These are both dumb. He obviously left for a large pay check, everyone knows. 1. There's lots of trail people who ride for corporate shoe companies. 2. Guy had almost no ownership royalties left in any of their brands by the time he left.
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Plus yes. The shoes are better. Just because you add 'for the record' to the front doesn't make it so.
Honest question: How are Nike shoes better? What makes them better? I'm really curious. If you can convince me, I will try a pair (preferably without any swooshes on the sides).
I could give two shits what shoes you decide to skate. For me? I'm not rolling in dough. I skate the shoes on the sale rack or from Ross and they have always lasted longer than Emericas or Lakais. The soles last longer, the Ollie area doesn't wear as fast. I once skated a pair of dunks for almost 5 months skating 4 days a week or so.
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Why do you get so worked up about this? You act as if your mom lovingly hand sews each pair of Nike SBs or something.
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Two reasons.
1. I'm sick with a lung infection and can't go outside
2. For some reason I just get annoyed hearing the same argument about something so silly every two weeks on here.
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1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5.Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
Where do you get YOUR information from? To suggest that Rick and Mike don't know what a "fair living wage" is for their riders is laughable. Crailtap riders are up until now the most loyal in the industry. Have you read MJ's Jenkem interview? He breaks down how there is no need to skate for a brand like Nike because he gets so well looked after at Lakai. Guy (like Gino) basically just spat in their faces after years of support for doing everything besides skating. And does it really matter who gets paid first? It's quite obvious they all get paid and quite handsomely at that.
Well he says how there is no need for HIM to skate for a big brand, but also says that he understands why people do. He also talks a lot about some of the worst people he has come across have been those running "core companies".
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/07/16/the-marc-johnson-interview/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2013/07/16/the-marc-johnson-interview/)
I know hes talking about himself, but Guy would 100% be on the same pay level as MJ. They are promoted pretty equally, if anything Guy probably gets paid more.
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He was at AVE's SOTY party. Based on the cup AVE's holding seems like there were Monster logos everywhere. That must've sucked.
(http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Junkdrawer/SOTY2015party/_DSC8216.jpg)
Glad to see him skating with MJ and Biebel in that Eric Bork clip. Is there footage of Bork trying to grind a 34-stair?
There are 2 rumors on here about Guy leaving Crailtap.
1. Can't be on Nike and ride for crail.
2. When crail got bought out by the investment company Guy and Koston got the short end of the stick in terms of ownership royalties.
I'm betting it's rumor 2. Gino has explained leaving a dozen times
That's what I would think as well...rumour 1 was mentioned earlier and I don't believe Rick and Mike would be the type to kick Guy off because he's riding different shoes.
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Nike sucks, and so does Guy's current flavour of skating and shit style
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There are 2 rumors on here about Guy leaving Crailtap.
1. Can't be on Nike and ride for crail.
2. When crail got bought out by the investment company Guy and Koston got the short end of the stick in terms of ownership royalties.
I'm betting it's rumor 2. Gino has explained leaving a dozen times
These are both dumb. He obviously left for a large pay check, everyone knows. 1. There's lots of trail people who ride for corporate shoe companies. 2. Guy had almost no ownership royalties left in any of their brands by the time he left.
Why is #2 "dumb"...Why couldn't some corporate bullshit go down in combination with the offer of a larger check?
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1. If you can get paid to do something you enjoy doing in your free time, that's awesome. No one wakes up and says, "man I can't wait to go to work at Mcdonalds today!". Skateboarding, video games, planting flowers, etc...these are leisure activities. So if someone is willing to pay you to do that, it's something to be stoked on. That's my point.
2. Lakai, Girl, Chocolate, Fourstar are all very successful companies and I guarantee Mike and Rick have plenty of money to pay their riders well enough.
3. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
4. Even though you didn't have a #4 I'll assume it's the Shane O'Neill comment. It would be understandable if a pro that's bringing in more income for the company to get paid more, but the other riders should be paid fairly as long as they're doing their best too. And I'm sure for the most part, it works out this way.
5.Successful core companies are doing their best to pay their riders fairly. You don't take that for granted and throw shit in their face by teaming up with a sporting goods company that's driving the very person that is supporting you out of business.
Where do you get YOUR information from? To suggest that Rick and Mike don't know what a "fair living wage" is for their riders is laughable. Crailtap riders are up until now the most loyal in the industry. Have you read MJ's Jenkem interview? He breaks down how there is no need to skate for a brand like Nike because he gets so well looked after at Lakai. Guy (like Gino) basically just spat in their faces after years of support for doing everything besides skating. And does it really matter who gets paid first? It's quite obvious they all get paid and quite handsomely at that.
I get my information from standard business practice and common sense. I rarely go in for these "core vs corporate" arguments because they get incredibly long winded and people on both sides are still going to think they're right no matter what's presented to them. I wish people would stop bringing MJ's interview up as some kind of evidence of their pro skater owned argument, he doesn't present any hard facts at all, he spits feathers and casts dispersions over everyone except his current sponsors (fancy that). Gino doesn't owe Crailtap shit, he earned them more than he was payed otherwise they would have let him go entirely rather than cutting him down to royalties only. That how business works, corporate or core. Lakai and their new investors decided that whatever Guy was being offered it wasn't worth the return to match the offer, that's if there was even an offer on the table, he's a skater in his twilight years in an industry that has always valued youth over experience because the youth will do it for less than those with experience can afford to.
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Lakai and their new investors decided that whatever Guy was being offered it wasn't worth the return to match the offer, that's if there was even an offer on the table
Face it, Nike had the money on a fishhook and Guy bit. Why the hell would Rick and Mike go into a bidding war for a dude that's turning his back on them? Tune in, cash in, drop out brah. He betrayed his family.
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Lakai and their new investors decided that whatever Guy was being offered it wasn't worth the return to match the offer, that's if there was even an offer on the table
Face it, Nike had the money on a fishhook and Guy bit. Why the hell would Rick and Mike Altamont Capital go into a bidding war for a dude that's turning his back on them turning 40 and has earned them more over the past 10 years than he could in the next 10? Tune in, cash in, drop out brah. He betrayed his family is an independent contractor who payed his debt to his friends and has moved on.
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Lakai and their new investors decided that whatever Guy was being offered it wasn't worth the return to match the offer, that's if there was even an offer on the table
Face it, Nike had the money on a fishhook and Guy bit. Why the hell would Rick and Mike Altamont Capital go into a bidding war for a dude that's turning his back on them turning 40 and has earned them more over the past 10 years than he could in the next 10? Tune in, cash in, drop out brah. He betrayed his family is an independent contractor who payed his debt to his friends and has moved on.
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Not to backtrack but...
3. Where the fuck did you get the idea I want "salary caps" for skateboarders? The pros getting paid insane amounts of money are the ones gobbling corporate dick. Getting paid to live a decent life means you can survive and also have extra money to do what you want in your free time. If you want more money, work a side job, make art and sell it, or whatever else you want to do. But seeking out a sponsorship from a sporting goods company when you're a skateboarder is not the right thing to do.
Guy is 40+ years old at this point, if Nike can help him retire as a skateboarder and not have him get forced into a desk job to support himself and family (like many of these dudes probably do) for the remainder of his working life, that's pretty cool. But that's just my opinion, small skater owned board companies rule, but these shoe giants (vans, nike, cons, adidas) dominate the market. Plus you've got all these small companies paired up with shoe companies, all the 917 dudes are decked out in Nikes and the Polar dudes are all in CONS.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Are you saying that if PF Flyers started paying your favourite skateboarders you'd stop wearing them?
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Nope, don't give a fuck about "the industry", I'm more interested in the "culture". Please, continue and answer why according to you it's ok to support a brand as long as it's not involved in marketing to skateboarders.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
I already noticed that you're dumb, now you just signed my thoughts.
You rather support a brand that doesnt invest in skating that a brand, that although is not founded in skating, sponsors and pay skateboarders. You think that paying to skate a non-labeled skate shoe is not killing the skate owned shoe brands? Skating in PF's is worse than skating nike's... Atleast they're paying/supporting their team well.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
So if Guy quit Lakai to skate in PF Flyers then that would be ok?
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
I already noticed that you're dumb, now you just signed my thoughts.
You rather support a brand that doesnt invest in skating that a brand, that although is not founded in skating, sponsors and pay skateboarders. You think that paying to skate a non-labeled skate shoe is not killing the skate owned shoe brands? Skating in PF's is worse than skating nike's... Atleast they're paying/supporting their team well.
So, with your logic it wouldn't matter if I bought some PF flyers or some flip flops from Wal Mart. Since they're both not labeled as "skate shoes" I would be taking money from the skate shoe industry? Haha, what??? Let's stay on track, kiddo.
Nike, Adidas, and CONS(Nike) are dominating the skate shoe industry, period. Just because they pay their riders doesn't make them good. They just have the money to buy riders and pay them the most, putting the small guy out of business. I feel like I'm repeating this stuff a lot. Are you not getting this?
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
I already noticed that you're dumb, now you just signed my thoughts.
You rather support a brand that doesnt invest in skating that a brand, that although is not founded in skating, sponsors and pay skateboarders. You think that paying to skate a non-labeled skate shoe is not killing the skate owned shoe brands? Skating in PF's is worse than skating nike's... Atleast they're paying/supporting their team well.
So, with your logic it wouldn't matter if I bought some PF flyers or some flip flops from Wal Mart. Since they're both not labeled as "skate shoes" I would be taking money from the skate shoe industry?
Guess what, yes genius! If they dont pay skateboarders you're not supporting skating in any way. When you pay for PF's you think your money, someway (by miracle i guess) go to skaters pockets?!
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
People, lets only buy/skate PF flyers, that way skater owned shoe companies dont die! Damn you're dumb.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
People, lets only buy/skate PF flyers, that way skater owned shoe companies dont die! Damn you're dumb.
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Nike is not paying guy money that will last him a lifetime, end of that story
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
People, lets only buy/skate PF flyers, that way skater owned shoe companies dont die! Damn you're dumb.
Leave the discussion for adults kid. Those are your words not mine. Did it ever occur to you that I didn't originally buy PF Flyers to skate in? They worked and it was all I had on my feet at the time. Way to derail a thread and throw around petty insults. It's so easy over the internet, I know. If we had this discussion at a local park face to face, it would be much different. Ignored.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
This thread is about "the industry"? I thought it was about why Guy Mariano has gone dark on social media.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
Which no doubt ties into the industry.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
Which no doubt ties into the industry.
Unlike PF Flyers.
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People, lets only buy/skate PF flyers, that way skater owned shoe companies dont die! Damn you're dumb.
Leave the discussion for adults kid. Those are your words not mine. Did it ever occur to you that I didn't originally buy PF Flyers to skate in? They worked and it was all I had on my feet at the time. Way to derail a thread and throw around petty insults. It's so easy over the internet, I know. If we had this discussion at a local park face to face, it would be much different. Ignored.
You're older than me so you are right and i'm not. Ok old guru guy! You skate in whatever you like, for the whatever reasons you have, i dont care, i skate in whatever i like, but atleast practice what you preach if you want to be that "Core"! (Somebody quote this shit so he can see)
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
Which no doubt ties into the industry.
Lol, I'm not going to back peddle explaining why I brought up PF Flyers in the first place. This conversation between me and you is going nowhere and you said yourself you don't care about the industry so there's no reason for us to continue. Good day.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
Which no doubt ties into the industry.
Lol, I'm not going to back peddle explaining why I brought up PF Flyers in the first place. This conversation between me and you is going nowhere and you said yourself you don't care about the industry so there's no reason for us to continue. Good day.
Nah this is going places. You believe that Nike should not be bought by skateboarders because they are "buying" skaters, you think that skateboarders should support "the industry" by purchasing skater owned shoes, but you think that the exception to the rule is that if you buy a pair of shoes for the purpose of skateboarding that is not skater owned then they should not have any interest in skateboarding. Glad you made that clear for us. How did you feel about Guy being payed by Converse in the 90's?
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
Then why are you joining the discussion on a thread that's about the industry? I'm against brands that get their foot in the door of the industry by making false promises ("we'll only be selling exclusively to core shops" -Nike) and acting as if they care about skateboarding (any sports company). PF is doing none of those things.
Nice cop out, answering my question with another question. I won't do that though, I'll answer yours. PF Flyers is irrelevant because they're not in the industry putting core companies out of business.
Which no doubt ties into the industry.
Lol, I'm not going to back peddle explaining why I brought up PF Flyers in the first place. This conversation between me and you is going nowhere and you said yourself you don't care about the industry so there's no reason for us to continue. Good day.
I'd say you're pretty much correct on what I've said, but there's more reasons I've listed as to why Nike shouldn't be supported. I didn't know he was paid by Cons in the 90s. But he made the right decision to move onto Lakai and stick with skater owned companies, until recently.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
By not supporting the industry you are killing the very culture you cherish. Think of it like this, and I'm going to assume you are not part of the generation I'm going to talk about. When we started skating, we actually skated street, going from spot to spot, schoolyard to schoolyard basically hanging with your friends all day and not needing to film every trick you attempt, being stoked for your friend for landing a trick because it was fun. Hanging out and supporting a homie who was going to finally try that front board down the local 4 stair rail. To me at least (and surely I'm not alone here) this is the culture you say you are interested in.. How does the industry affect the culture? If skaters said no to big business like Nike, Monster, Redbull etc there would be no Nike "super crown" for kids to aspire to. Kids wouldn't be skating there local park all day in headphones because they need to "practice" for their upcoming sponsor me tape. I guess what I'm trying to say is Nike, Monster etc want skating to be a sport and not the sub culture you're so interested in.
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Doesn't Jason Adams get shoes from PF Flyers?!?! Sorry I'm late to the party.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
By not supporting the industry you are killing the very culture you cherish.[\b] Think of it like this, and I'm going to assume you are not part of the generation I'm going to talk about. When we started skating, we actually skated street, going from spot to spot, schoolyard to schoolyard basically hanging with your friends all day and not needing to film every trick you attempt, being stoked for your friend for landing a trick because it was fun. Hanging out and supporting a homie who was going to finally try that front board down the local 4 stair rail. To me at least (and surely I'm not alone here) this is the culture you say you are interested in.. How does the industry affect the culture? If skaters said no to big business like Nike, Monster, Redbull etc there would be no Nike "super crown" for kids to aspire to. Kids wouldn't be skating there local park all day in headphones because they need to "practice" for their upcoming sponsor me tape. I guess what I'm trying to say is Nike, Monster etc want skating to be a sport and not the sub culture you're so interested in.
I support the industry by purchasing products endorsed by the skaters I look up to I support the culture by skating, helping out the younger guys I skate with and not getting the culture confused with the industry. I don't owe skater owned shoe brands anything, nor do I owe any sporting goods brands anything. I make my footwear purchase decisions based on my own criteria not how wealthy skater A ("core" shoe company owner) should be compared to skater B (independent contractor payed to endorse sporting goods company shoes). Lakai, Sole Tech brands, DC, DVS, Huf ect were all founded by skaters but all make "chillers" and market outside of skateboarding. Does this mean I should wear their non skate shoes just to support skaters or am I allowed to wear what I please when I'm not skating? The industry and the culture are not one and the same.
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There are 2 rumors on here about Guy leaving Crailtap.
1. Can't be on Nike and ride for crail.
2. When crail got bought out by the investment company Guy and Koston got the short end of the stick in terms of ownership royalties.
I'm betting it's rumor 2. Gino has explained leaving a dozen times
These are both dumb. He obviously left for a large pay check, everyone knows. 1. There's lots of trail people who ride for corporate shoe companies. 2. Guy had almost no ownership royalties left in any of their brands by the time he left.
in another tread some alleged Crailtap employee said Guy left because Nike wanted him to wear Nike SB apparel and Crailtap said if you leave 4star too then your off Girl. So he made the choice to quit all of Craitap, girl, royal, lakai, 4star for Nike
Koston probably had some influence over this too.
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Is there actual documented proof of bad blood from the Crailtap camp? I'd image they're all adults here and wish Guy the best... gotta feed that baby.
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Doesn't Jason Adams get shoes from PF Flyers?!?! Sorry I'm late to the party.
nah i helped ripped laces actually write the PF review on their site...we contacted PF because I've spotted Adams, Josh Harmony, and Pastras all skating in them, but they apparently just flow these guys shoes but don't have an actual skate team.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
By not supporting the industry you are killing the very culture you cherish.[\b] Think of it like this, and I'm going to assume you are not part of the generation I'm going to talk about. When we started skating, we actually skated street, going from spot to spot, schoolyard to schoolyard basically hanging with your friends all day and not needing to film every trick you attempt, being stoked for your friend for landing a trick because it was fun. Hanging out and supporting a homie who was going to finally try that front board down the local 4 stair rail. To me at least (and surely I'm not alone here) this is the culture you say you are interested in.. How does the industry affect the culture? If skaters said no to big business like Nike, Monster, Redbull etc there would be no Nike "super crown" for kids to aspire to. Kids wouldn't be skating there local park all day in headphones because they need to "practice" for their upcoming sponsor me tape. I guess what I'm trying to say is Nike, Monster etc want skating to be a sport and not the sub culture you're so interested in.
I know they are not the same thing. My point is one influences the other.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
No. Good way to twist my words up by "fixing" my quote. Do you not care about the industry and would rather watch it burn to the ground than keep it in the hands of skateboarders?
By not supporting the industry you are killing the very culture you cherish.[\b] Think of it like this, and I'm going to assume you are not part of the generation I'm going to talk about. When we started skating, we actually skated street, going from spot to spot, schoolyard to schoolyard basically hanging with your friends all day and not needing to film every trick you attempt, being stoked for your friend for landing a trick because it was fun. Hanging out and supporting a homie who was going to finally try that front board down the local 4 stair rail. To me at least (and surely I'm not alone here) this is the culture you say you are interested in.. How does the industry affect the culture? If skaters said no to big business like Nike, Monster, Redbull etc there would be no Nike "super crown" for kids to aspire to. Kids wouldn't be skating there local park all day in headphones because they need to "practice" for their upcoming sponsor me tape. I guess what I'm trying to say is Nike, Monster etc want skating to be a sport and not the sub culture you're so interested in.
I know they are not the same thing. My point is one influences the other.
So how do you support the culture and the industry? Also, why do you do each?
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ALL that matters is enjoying the act of sk8
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The other side of the discussion is what if non skaters buy skate shoes regardless of a non skater or skater owned company,
that's ultimately good for the industry and the culture isn't it?
Do you guys get pissed off seeing hipster edgelords in Lakai's or Janoski's?
Is the voice in your head saying 'what a peasant he doesn't even skate but he's wearing those shoes' ?
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Apparently it is hard to understand. PF Flyers are owned by New Balance, which is currently doing exactly what you (Xtal) are saying PF Flyers are not doing.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Apparently it is hard to understand. PF Flyers are owned by New Balance, which is currently doing exactly what you (Xtal) are saying PF Flyers are not doing.
Apparently you didn't read the part where I mentioned I didn't originally buy them for skating. And New Balance may own them, but PF specifically isn't doing what New Balance is doing. This discussion is about sports companies within the industry cashing in, PF is not doing this.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Apparently it is hard to understand. PF Flyers are owned by New Balance, which is currently doing exactly what you (Xtal) are saying PF Flyers are not doing.
Apparently you didn't read the part where I mentioned I didn't originally buy them for skating. And New Balance may own them, but PF specifically isn't doing what New Balance is doing. This discussion is about sports companies within the industry cashing in, PF is not doing this.
I dig your debate style of ignoring all the arguments pointing out your contradictions, or dismissing them as irrelevant.
keep it going buddy you're doing great!
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You guys sound like a bunch of bitchy women.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Apparently it is hard to understand. �PF Flyers are owned by New Balance, which is currently doing exactly what you (Xtal) are saying PF Flyers are not doing. �
Apparently you didn't read the part where I mentioned I didn't originally buy them for skating. And New Balance may own them, but PF specifically isn't doing what New Balance is doing. This discussion is about sports companies within the industry cashing in, PF is not doing this.
I dig your debate style of ignoring all the arguments pointing out your contradictions, or dismissing them as irrelevant.�
keep it going buddy you're doing great!
So you base your logic off someone else's? If I went to the store and bought some Red Wing boots for work, that means I'm not supporting the skate industry? Lol, I bought PF's to chill and they happened to work for skating when I had nothing else to wear. That's not a contradiction.
Just admit you needed to get your smart ass internet comment off your chest for the day, you didn't come here to add to the discussion.
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You guys sound like a bunch of bitchy women.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Apparently it is hard to understand. �PF Flyers are owned by New Balance, which is currently doing exactly what you (Xtal) are saying PF Flyers are not doing. �
Apparently you didn't read the part where I mentioned I didn't originally buy them for skating. And New Balance may own them, but PF specifically isn't doing what New Balance is doing. This discussion is about sports companies within the industry cashing in, PF is not doing this.
I dig your debate style of ignoring all the arguments pointing out your contradictions, or dismissing them as irrelevant.�
keep it going buddy you're doing great!
So you base your logic off someone else's? If I went to the store and bought some Red Wing boots for work, that means I'm not supporting the skate industry? Lol, I bought PF's to chill and they happened to work for skating when I had nothing else to wear. That's not a contradiction.
Just admit you needed to get your smart ass internet comment off your chest for the day, you didn't come here to add to the discussion.
dude your comments have been picked apart numerous times already, i just find it hilarious you ignore it.
btw I only support skater owned work boots at my job. +1 for me.
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I also wear PF Flyers which aren't meant for skateboarding but they work very well. However, PF Flyers isn't trying to enter the skateboarding industry and profit from it. Sports companies that are in the industry are the ones that we shouldn't be supporting whether as a consumer or a sponsored rider. This isn't hard to understand.
Apparently it is hard to understand. �PF Flyers are owned by New Balance, which is currently doing exactly what you (Xtal) are saying PF Flyers are not doing. �
Apparently you didn't read the part where I mentioned I didn't originally buy them for skating. And New Balance may own them, but PF specifically isn't doing what New Balance is doing. This discussion is about sports companies within the industry cashing in, PF is not doing this.
I dig your debate style of ignoring all the arguments pointing out your contradictions, or dismissing them as irrelevant.�
keep it going buddy you're doing great!
So you base your logic off someone else's? If I went to the store and bought some Red Wing boots for work, that means I'm not supporting the skate industry? Lol, I bought PF's to chill and they happened to work for skating when I had nothing else to wear. That's not a contradiction.
Just admit you needed to get your smart ass internet comment off your chest for the day, you didn't come here to add to the discussion.
dude your comments have been picked apart numerous times already, i just find it hilarious you ignore it.
btw I only support skater owned work boots at my job. +1 for me.
"Picked apart"? Cause one person said I'm apparently not practicing what I'm preaching which I just proved was flawed logic, twice.
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PF sponsor Jason Adams so I guess they are looking at making some inroads in the industry or why would they have a skater on the payroll?
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Leave the discussion for adults kid.
there is no way you're older than 21. if by some anomaly you are, then you're a pretty fucking stupid ass adult.
you must have lived a very sheltered, privileged life if you think that a 40 year old man with a wife and kids should set aside taking care of his family in favor of getting screwed over by his "friends" so he can remain relevant to some random idiot on the internet.
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If you buy Red Wings work boots, then no, that purchase is not supporting the skateboarding industry. How in the fuck would you be, unless your local shop was the one that sold them to you? If you bought SubWay, are you supporting McDonalds? If you now your lawn are you supporting the Republican Party? If you go see a movie in a theater, are you supporting the death penalty? If you go for a walk, are you supporting Boeing, you stupid fuck?
I'll eat my fucking words if you can logically explain what on earth you meant by that question. Go talk to Ik130 or whatever his name is.
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skate for the stoke. The industry hates you. Ask mike v
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there is no way you're older than 21. if by some anomaly you are, then you're a pretty fucking stupid ass adult.
you must have lived a very sheltered, privileged life if you think that a 40 year old man with a wife and kids should set aside taking care of his family in favor of getting screwed over by his "friends" so he can remain relevant to some random idiot on the internet.
Again, how is he getting "screwed over" by the people that have been paying him just fine throughout the years? It's not about staying relevant to me or anyone else on the internet, is that really what you think this is about? Lol.
If you buy Red Wings work boots, then no, that purchase is not supporting the skateboarding industry. How in the fuck would you be, unless your local shop was the one that sold them to you? If you bought SubWay, are you supporting McDonalds? If you now your lawn are you supporting the Republican Party? If you go see a movie in a theater, are you supporting the death penalty? If you go for a walk, are you supporting Boeing, you stupid fuck?
I'll eat my fucking words if you can logically explain what on earth you meant by that question. Go talk to Ik130 or whatever his name is.
The point I'm making, that I bought PF Flyers without any intention of it to have anything to do with skateboarding, is that I'm not going against my personal values of supporting skater owned. It seems multiple people just don't agree with my opinion that supporting skater owned matters, so now it's about attacking me personally and trying to act as if I slipped up and contradicted myself. This is what I mean when I bring the word adult in the conversation. Mature, respectful people don't resort to this kind of behavior. Nothing wrong with disagreeing, if you wanna throw around fighting words over the internet, it speaks volumes about you.
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At what point will people stop referring to Lakai as skater owned? It used to be, but no longer is. Surely everyone on here knows everything under Girl distribution was sold to Altamont Capital? This is old news.
http://business.transworld.net/features/girl-founders-new-altamont-investment/#19HC0utUidu8psPU.97 (http://business.transworld.net/features/girl-founders-new-altamont-investment/#19HC0utUidu8psPU.97)
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Altamont doesn't own them outright. They're partners. It looks like the same people are in charge of product design and marketing.
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Altamont doesn't own them outright. They're partners. It looks like the same people are in charge of product design and marketing.
Right, but that still does not change the fact that Girl is no longer a skater owned company: they have a LOT of capital backing them from a corporation that also owns insurance companies, used cars sales, pharmaceutical companies, fox clothing, etc.
Girl, and everyone company under the Girl umbrella, is receiving funding/partially owned by a conglomerate. There's no two ways around it. They're not skater owned. Skater founded, sure. Owned? No. Not anymore.
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Altamont doesn't own them outright. They're partners. It looks like the same people are in charge of product design and marketing.
Right, but that still does not change the fact that Girl is no longer a skater owned company: they have a LOT of capital backing them from a corporation that also owns insurance companies, used cars sales, pharmaceutical companies, fox clothing, etc.
Girl, and everyone company under the Girl umbrella, is receiving funding/partially owned by a conglomerate. There's no two ways around it. They're not skater owned. Skater founded, sure. Owned? No. Not anymore.
Skater founded and skater run. That's pretty important to some people. It's the difference between skaters getting bought out and still making decisions, and an outside entity with no previous ties to skateboarding buying out skaters. To some that's splitting hairs and to others it's significant.
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Altamont doesn't own them outright. They're partners. It looks like the same people are in charge of product design and marketing.
Right, but that still does not change the fact that Girl is no longer a skater owned company: they have a LOT of capital backing them from a corporation that also owns insurance companies, used cars sales, pharmaceutical companies, fox clothing, etc.
Girl, and everyone company under the Girl umbrella, is receiving funding/partially owned by a conglomerate. There's no two ways around it. They're not skater owned. Skater founded, sure. Owned? No. Not anymore.
Skater founded and skater run. That's pretty important to some people. It's the difference between skaters getting bought out and still making decisions, and an outside entity with no previous ties to skateboarding buying out skaters. To some that's splitting hairs and to others it's significant.
Not trying to start an e-beef patty with you but when there are outside sources pumping money into a business, 'u better belee dat' those outside forces have control in terms of decision making just as much as the original founders. All you need to do is look at what happened to Alien. Once a part of a company is sold, that shit is gone, and the decision making process follows the money, not good intentions.
Are skaters 'running' Girl still? Sure. Do they have investors to answer to before making any decision regarding the 'brand identity'? Absolutely. Skateboarders are no longer in full control of Girl, and a corporation has say in the way the companies operates now.
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I'm posting from my phone and tried to edit down quotes to specific things to respond to but it is taking far, far too long to do so.
Just because Crailtap, for instance, has outside investors does not necessarily change any of the reasons why I choose to support their company (Lakai, at least). I highly doubt that the outside forces are pressuring Rick and Mike into putting people on the team, designing shoes, choosing materials, hiring different designers, et all. I also doubt that Carroll and Howard would, for instance, seek out outside investors and agree to a specific deal that usurps control of these decisions away from them. Those companies are their baby, and I doubt that they would do something so inherently stupid. When Burton bought Workshop, in my opinion, the only reason anybody knew about it was because it was publicized. There was no drop in quality, no weird team shake ups, no attrocities in producing product, with the major exception of the Dyrdek's dog boards. However, in hindsight, how would you feel as a company owner, knowing that young kids may end up seeing Dyrdek's shows on TV and want to get a board, knowing full well that your company is completely the opposite of what that young kid will end up gravitating toward if all of your boards produced have a razor blade and 'Kill Trend Continuum' on them, or Warhol graphics? Kids (or at least Dyrdek's target market) are too young to gravitate toward subversive graphics like that... My point is, probably better that those kids learned how to skate on a PS Stix made board with actual trucks, wheels, bearings et all than have their parents take them to get a WalMart board and have them give up because the hardware sticks up over the board and the wheels don't roll. The major exodus and shake downs and difficulties with distribution occurred when Dyrdek bought Workshop back from Burton and relinquished control to another company entirely, probably due to the fact that I couldn't imagine Dyrdek having enough time to do two tv shows, street league events, flex here and there AND over-see a company.
Also, I'm not sure how my language equated to fighting words. I was not internet flexing, I was trying to get you to understand that your points don't make sense. Point blank: just because I buy a cup of coffee before I go skating most times it does not mean that I'm supporting the skateboard industry. The pack of hanes white tees I bought to wear as undershirts when I go skating did not support the skateboarding industry. The gas I put into my car to go to the spot or to the park doesn't support the skateboarding industry. However, if the board I'm currently skating breaks and I head up to the shop to buy another one, any amount of money, on realistically anything, is supporting the skateboarding industry. To be fair, if you do buy Nike SB from a skate shop, you are supporting the industry. I just wouldn't feel good about it, personally.
I would love to see the spots you skate. Judging from your opinions and your reasoning, I would expect you to have a bunch of insane, hard as fuck to skate spots in your spot book or just the local park. It could be one or the other.
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I'm posting from my phone and tried to edit down quotes to specific things to respond to but it is taking far, far too long to do so.
Just because Crailtap, for instance, has outside investors does not necessarily change any of the reasons why I choose to support their company (Lakai, at least). I highly doubt that the outside forces are pressuring Rick and Mike into putting people on the team, designing shoes, choosing materials, hiring different designers, et all. I also doubt that Carroll and Howard would, for instance, seek out outside investors and agree to a specific deal that usurps control of these decisions away from them. Those companies are their baby, and I doubt that they would do something so inherently stupid.
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You're either a teenager, or just straight kidding yourself if you think that a conglomerate such as Altamont is investing millions of dollars into a company and is just gonna be like, 'okay dudes, I know you've nurtured this from the ground up, as a reward for your loyalty to the culture and artform of skateboarding, here's a ton of cash, keep doing your thing!' Nah. More like 'here's our investment plan of five million dollars over the next three years. We expect triple returns, and need to start cutting corners. Which one of your buddies hasn't been producing much lately, whether that's in the warehouse, design department, or on the board? Who's retiring because we need to loose some salaries' Capitalism is cutthroat, and that's the real world. These dudes (and lady) sold their baby. It's that simple.
You, and everyone else, can claim 'Crail 'til death' and 'support the industry' and 'core' until you're blue in the face but that fact is that Crail is now partially owned by a bunch of dudes in suits. I know it hurts, but that's the reality of the situation. I'm sorry for our collective loss. But please accept the facts and move along.
EDIT: That's not directed at anyone specifically, more just like, I don't understand why people can't wrap their heads around the fact that Crail is not skater owned anymore, so please stop saying Lakai is skater owned, and that Guy went from a corporate sponsor, to a bigger corporate sponsor. Are their subtleties and nuances? Sure. Is Lakai 'cooler' than Nike? Without a doubt. But, at least call a spade a spade.
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I'm posting from my phone and tried to edit down quotes to specific things to respond to but it is taking far, far too long to do so.
Just because Crailtap, for instance, has outside investors does not necessarily change any of the reasons why I choose to support their company (Lakai, at least). I highly doubt that the outside forces are pressuring Rick and Mike into putting people on the team, designing shoes, choosing materials, hiring different designers, et all. I also doubt that Carroll and Howard would, for instance, seek out outside investors and agree to a specific deal that usurps control of these decisions away from them. Those companies are their baby, and I doubt that they would do something so inherently stupid.
You're either a teenager, or just straight kidding yourself if you think that a conglomerate such as Altamont is investing millions of dollars into a company and is just gonna be like, 'okay dudes, I know you've nurtured this from the ground up, as a reward for your loyalty to the culture and artform of skateboarding, here's a ton of cash, keep doing your thing!' Nah. More like 'here's our investment plan of five million dollars over the next three years. We expect triple returns, and need to start cutting corners. Which one of your buddies hasn't been producing much lately, whether that's in the warehouse, design department, or on the board? Who's retiring because we need to loose some salaries' Capitalism is cutthroat, and that's the real world. These dudes (and lady) sold their baby. It's that simple.
You, and everyone else, can claim 'Crail 'til death' and 'support the industry' and 'core' until you're blue in the face but that fact is that Crail is now partially owned by a bunch of dudes in suits. I know it hurts, but that's the reality of the situation. I'm sorry for our collective loss. But please accept the facts and move along.
EDIT: That's not directed at anyone specifically, more just like, I don't understand why people can't wrap their heads around the fact that Crail is not skater owned anymore, so please stop saying Lakai is skater owned, and that Guy went from a corporate sponsor, to a bigger corporate sponsor. Are their subtleties and nuances? Sure. Is Lakai 'cooler' than Nike? Without a doubt. But, at least call a spade a spade.
If you are successful enough to make it to the point that one of these investment funds comes knocking on your door I doubt there is an industry figure that would/could say no to taking it to the next level in favour of "keeping it core". It's not so much that Crailtap is selling out, more cashing in and they can't be blamed for it, after 20+ years in a notoriously fickle industry the capitalist adage of expand or die rings true. There's no guarantee that ha they not sold a portion o their business that within one to two years everything caves. Core don't pay the mortgage, it just looks better on the Internet.
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I'm posting from my phone and tried to edit down quotes to specific things to respond to but it is taking far, far too long to do so.
Just because Crailtap, for instance, has outside investors does not necessarily change any of the reasons why I choose to support their company (Lakai, at least). I highly doubt that the outside forces are pressuring Rick and Mike into putting people on the team, designing shoes, choosing materials, hiring different designers, et all. I also doubt that Carroll and Howard would, for instance, seek out outside investors and agree to a specific deal that usurps control of these decisions away from them. Those companies are their baby, and I doubt that they would do something so inherently stupid.
You're either a teenager, or just straight kidding yourself if you think that a conglomerate such as Altamont is investing millions of dollars into a company and is just gonna be like, 'okay dudes, I know you've nurtured this from the ground up, as a reward for your loyalty to the culture and artform of skateboarding, here's a ton of cash, keep doing your thing!' Nah. More like 'here's our investment plan of five million dollars over the next three years. We expect triple returns, and need to start cutting corners. Which one of your buddies hasn't been producing much lately, whether that's in the warehouse, design department, or on the board? Who's retiring because we need to loose some salaries' Capitalism is cutthroat, and that's the real world. These dudes (and lady) sold their baby. It's that simple.
You, and everyone else, can claim 'Crail 'til death' and 'support the industry' and 'core' until you're blue in the face but that fact is that Crail is now partially owned by a bunch of dudes in suits. I know it hurts, but that's the reality of the situation. I'm sorry for our collective loss. But please accept the facts and move along.
EDIT: That's not directed at anyone specifically, more just like, I don't understand why people can't wrap their heads around the fact that Crail is not skater owned anymore, so please stop saying Lakai is skater owned, and that Guy went from a corporate sponsor, to a bigger corporate sponsor. Are their subtleties and nuances? Sure. Is Lakai 'cooler' than Nike? Without a doubt. But, at least call a spade a spade.
I mean, dude, I don't know, I don't work for them, I don't know the arrangements of their deal, but there hasn't been any shake ups besides Guy and Koston, and I'd imagine they left on their own.
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Also, I'm not sure how my language equated to fighting words. I was not internet flexing, I was trying to get you to understand that your points don't make sense. Point blank: just because I buy a cup of coffee before I go skating most times it does not mean that I'm supporting the skateboard industry. The pack of hanes white tees I bought to wear as undershirts when I go skating did not support the skateboarding industry. The gas I put into my car to go to the spot or to the park doesn't support the skateboarding industry.
Obviously, because none of those things are skate products. The PFs I bought, are not a skate product. They were not designed by a company that identifies itself as a skateboard company to be used specifically as a skateboardoing shoe. Quality goods that are designed specifically for skateboarding, are skate products. Therefore, when buying a skate product people should be supporting companies by/for skateboarders. That's just the way I see it, and if pro's are going to ride for sporting goods companies I will voice my disappointment.
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Skater owned is fucking laughable. And it's always the least educated about these issues spouting off their anecdotal bullshit.
Guy has a wife and kid. Life isn't black or white and many times people will sacrifice their idealogy to make sure their family is taken care of. That Nike money will afford Guy options and allow him to skate longer.
Maybe skateboarders shouldn't own and operate companies? Fact: For many years, skater owned brands released hot garbage called product. The industry is to blame not the skateboarders. They got complacent and greedy. So now the industry clings to made up words like skater owned.
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It's a laughable idea that he wasn't "putting food on the table" before. That kind of emotional appeal is ridiculous. Nobody made him have kids that he has to "put food on the table" for. It's not like he's some impoverished, homeless person with no recourse but to accept a Nike contract. You guys are equally laughable.
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Skater owned is fucking laughable.� And it's always the least educated about these issues spouting off their anecdotal bullshit.
Guy has a wife and kid.� Life isn't black or white and many times people will sacrifice their idealogy to make sure their family is taken care of.� That Nike money will afford Guy options and allow him to skate longer.�
Maybe skateboarders shouldn't own and operate companies?� Fact:� For many years, skater owned brands released hot garbage called product.� The industry is to blame not the skateboarders.� They got complacent and greedy.� So now the industry clings to made up words like skater owned.
Do you not know anything about skateboarding history? Skateboard companies were created by skateboarders, and to say their products were "garbage" is completely false. How do you think the skateboard shop came into existence? Skateboarders needed to distribute their products and large sporting goods stores wanted nothing to do with them. Even when skateboarding supposedly became a "fad". Core shops' dedication to skateboarding by sponsoring riders, throwing contests, and pushing for public parks helped core companies survive. They were there to help skateboarders and encourage skateboarding. Large sporting goods companies and their distribution had no hand whatsoever in this process.
Of course Nike or any sports company can afford to pay their riders much more money, build great parks, throw contests with huge prizes. It's a multi-billion dollar corporation. So when Mr. Joe Schmo needs more money for his wife and kid, Nike has the life bait. If more and more pro's bite, the existing channel of passionate core companies will cease to exist and the skateboarding industry as a whole will be in the pockets of multinational corporations, more than it already is.
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It's a laughable idea that he wasn't "putting food on the table" before. That kind of emotional appeal is ridiculous. Nobody made him have kids that he has to "put food on the table" for. It's not like he's some impoverished, homeless person with no recourse but to accept a Nike contract.
*GROUNDBREAKING POINT*
been meaning to say this as well.
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It's a laughable idea that he wasn't "putting food on the table" before. That kind of emotional appeal is ridiculous. Nobody made him have kids that he has to "put food on the table" for. It's not like he's some impoverished, homeless person with no recourse but to accept a Nike contract. You guys are equally laughable.
One can argue that biologically he is forced to reproduce . Who knows how deep the need to reproduce goes on a unconscious level .
This discussion is kinda hilarious , People who dont even work in the skate business are telling people who work in the skate business who they can skate for or not skate for . How much money they should make and now even if they should have kids or not
If Nike started making defibrillators that were 100% to save life , Do you think doctors , paramedics would discussing the use of them justified cause they are not Core ? and would put core defibrillator brands out of business . Sure they save lifes but you dont want to be a poser paramedic . you want be CORE
Howard and Carrol started a board company , but they made clothes aswell within Girl . Why are they cutting in on Skate clothes market ? they went even further by starting a shoe , truck and clothes company . Why are they cutting in on other shoe , truck and clothes companies when they make boards ?
Nike makes shoes in pretty much every sport and activities . Why is it weird for them to make shoes for skateboarding ? isnt Nike making shoes more Core then Girl making shoes ? I mean Nike is a shoe company and girl is a board company
At the end of the day ( in this thread ) We have Skateboarders , hating on Skateboarder making money and a career for themselves , and what is worse these people hating are not even part of the Industry
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Also, I'm not sure how my language equated to fighting words. I was not internet flexing, I was trying to get you to understand that your points don't make sense. Point blank: just because I buy a cup of coffee before I go skating most times it does not mean that I'm supporting the skateboard industry. The pack of hanes white tees I bought to wear as undershirts when I go skating did not support the skateboarding industry. The gas I put into my car to go to the spot or to the park doesn't support the skateboarding industry.
Obviously, because none of those things are skate products. The PFs I bought, are not a skate product. They were not designed by a company that identifies itself as a skateboard company to be used specifically as a skateboardoing shoe. Quality goods that are designed specifically for skateboarding, are skate products. Therefore, when buying a skate product people should be supporting companies by/for skateboarders. That's just the way I see it, and if pro's are going to ride for sporting goods companies I will voice my disappointment.
Your logic is so flawed and even after several people have pointed out the discrepancies in your argument you continue dig your heels in. Hanes white tees are not skate products but a Krooked T shirt is, which should I choose to wear to support the industry? If I buy the Krooked shirt at a Zumies am I supporting the industry? If you choose to skate in PF Flyers (I don't give a fuck that you bought them not for skateboarding) instead of shoes that were designed and branded by a company founded by a skateboarder are you harming the industry? If I wear Levis (non skate branded) instead of Fourstar am I harming the industry?
Shoes and soft goods have been adapted by skate brands for further revenue and to feather their business nests they have flown the skater owned flag to shame some people into believing that if you don't buy their brand skateboarding itself is under threat. Boards, wheels and trucks are the essentials and should be kept in the hands of skateboarders. Everything else is peripheral, non essential, that's why you are able to skate in PF Flyers even though they're not designed or marketed by your favourite "core" pro.
You seem to have supporting your favourite skater with supporting "the industry".
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isnt Nike making shoes more Core then Girl making shoes ? I mean Nike is a shoe company and girl is a board company
Thats a good one Monty.
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It's a laughable idea that he wasn't "putting food on the table" before. That kind of emotional appeal is ridiculous. Nobody made him have kids that he has to "put food on the table" for. It's not like he's some impoverished, homeless person with no recourse but to accept a Nike contract. You guys are equally laughable.
One can argue that biologically he is forced to reproduce . Who knows how deep the need to reproduce goes on a unconscious level .
This discussion is kinda hilarious , People who dont even work in the skate business are telling people who work in the skate business who they can skate for or not skate for . How much money they should make and now even if they should have kids or not
If Nike started making defibrillators that were 100% to save life , Do you think doctors , paramedics would discussing the use of them justified cause they are not Core ? and would put core defibrillator brands out of business . Sure they save lifes but you dont want to be a poser paramedic . you want be CORE
Howard and Carrol started a board company , but they made clothes aswell within Girl . Why are they cutting in on Skate clothes market ? they went even further by starting a shoe , truck and clothes company . Why are they cutting in on other shoe , truck and clothes companies when they make boards ?
Nike makes shoes in pretty much every sport and activities . Why is it weird for them to make shoes for skateboarding ? isnt Nike making shoes more Core then Girl making shoes ? I mean Nike is a shoe company and girl is a board company
At the end of the day ( in this thread ) We have Skateboarders , hating on Skateboarder making money and a career for themselves , and what is worse these people hating are not even part of the Industry
This is the problem with your arguments: you think criticism of someone means condemnation or hatred of that person. It doesn't. It only means you disagree with their professional choices. Making this an issue of someone being able to "put food on the table" or not is an insincere exaggeration and an overblown appeal to emotion. Guy Mariano did not have to sign to Nike for basic survival or even more than basic survival. He made a professional choice that some of us think was not good.
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It's a laughable idea that he wasn't "putting food on the table" before. That kind of emotional appeal is ridiculous. Nobody made him have kids that he has to "put food on the table" for. It's not like he's some impoverished, homeless person with no recourse but to accept a Nike contract. You guys are equally laughable.
One can argue that biologically he is forced to reproduce . Who knows how deep the need to reproduce goes on a unconscious level .
This discussion is kinda hilarious , People who dont even work in the skate business are telling people who work in the skate business who they can skate for or not skate for . How much money they should make and now even if they should have kids or not
If Nike started making defibrillators that were 100% to save life , Do you think doctors , paramedics would discussing the use of them justified cause they are not Core ? and would put core defibrillator brands out of business . Sure they save lifes but you dont want to be a poser paramedic . you want be CORE
Howard and Carrol started a board company , but they made clothes aswell within Girl . Why are they cutting in on Skate clothes market ? they went even further by starting a shoe , truck and clothes company . Why are they cutting in on other shoe , truck and clothes companies when they make boards ?
Nike makes shoes in pretty much every sport and activities . Why is it weird for them to make shoes for skateboarding ? isnt Nike making shoes more Core then Girl making shoes ? I mean Nike is a shoe company and girl is a board company
At the end of the day ( in this thread ) We have Skateboarders , hating on Skateboarder making money and a career for themselves , and what is worse these people hating are not even part of the Industry
This is the problem with your arguments: you think criticism of someone means condemnation or hatred of that person. It doesn't. It only means you disagree with their professional choices. Making this an issue of someone being able to "put food on the table" or not is an insincere exaggeration and an overblown appeal to emotion. Guy Mariano did not have to sign to Nike for basic survival or even more than basic survival. He made a professional choice that some of us think was not good.
How do you know Lakai was renewing Guy's contract? Is it not possible Altamont Capital was happy to free up the money that was Guy's salary.
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It's a laughable idea that he wasn't "putting food on the table" before. That kind of emotional appeal is ridiculous. Nobody made him have kids that he has to "put food on the table" for. It's not like he's some impoverished, homeless person with no recourse but to accept a Nike contract. You guys are equally laughable.
One can argue that biologically he is forced to reproduce . Who knows how deep the need to reproduce goes on a unconscious level .
This discussion is kinda hilarious , People who dont even work in the skate business are telling people who work in the skate business who they can skate for or not skate for . How much money they should make and now even if they should have kids or not
If Nike started making defibrillators that were 100% to save life , Do you think doctors , paramedics would discussing the use of them justified cause they are not Core ? and would put core defibrillator brands out of business . Sure they save lifes but you dont want to be a poser paramedic . you want be CORE
Howard and Carrol started a board company , but they made clothes aswell within Girl . Why are they cutting in on Skate clothes market ? they went even further by starting a shoe , truck and clothes company . Why are they cutting in on other shoe , truck and clothes companies when they make boards ?
Nike makes shoes in pretty much every sport and activities . Why is it weird for them to make shoes for skateboarding ? isnt Nike making shoes more Core then Girl making shoes ? �I mean Nike is a shoe company and girl is a board company
At the end of the day ( in this thread ) �We have Skateboarders , hating on Skateboarder making money and a career �for themselves , and what is worse these people hating are not even part of the Industry
This is the problem with your arguments: you think criticism of someone means condemnation or hatred of that person. It doesn't. It only means you disagree with their professional choices. Making this an issue of someone being able to "put food on the table" or not is an insincere exaggeration and an overblown appeal to emotion. Guy Mariano did not have to sign to Nike for basic survival or even more than basic survival. He made a professional choice that some of us think was not good.
The bigger question is what do we know ? How much was Lakai paying him ? were they paying him ? maybe he hadent gotten paid in months ? Maybe he wants both his kids to go to Harvard ? maybe his kids are super sick and need expensive and constant medical care ? Maybe his parents or his wifes parents owe alot of money to banks ?
People leave companies all the time , we ask why since its a good company . Afew months later we find out everybody hated eachother , people were not getting paid , another company bought the company and was meddling . and so on .
I know alot of people hate on nike . But when you break it down Adidas and Nike make the best shoes in the skateboard industry . I think its very short sighted to call out pros for skating for them .
Nike and Adidas has the best paychecks , supports their riders the most with trips and exposure . They have some of the best videos , filmers , And they have the best quality shoes . I kinda think its crazy not to ride for a company that has all this
You guys are saying " just wait for the bad times , and nike will pull out of skating and leave everybody high and dry " So what if they do ? how many skater owned companies have done this ? How many board companies have just screwed over skaters , or dumped the whole team and dissapered . Skateboard companies have always screwed over skaters with quality and skateboard pros with business
Got tons of interviews of people getting fucked by royalties , % of sales , ownership over shoe models . Company owners fucking over
other owners , stealing money . Companies randomly closing , debts
You could even make the case that Nike should fuck over the skateboard industry to fit into the industry
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I'll agree that none of us know the circumstances surrounding his decision at this point. Maybe we'll never know. But framing it as a matter of life and death/"Crailtap fucked him over" (pro-Nike camp) or "Guy stabbed his friends in the back" (pro-Crailtap) is probably not accurate. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle and the fact is none of us know for sure. We only have guesses to go on. Personally, I think he had a choice in the matter and he decided to go to greener pastures. He was not forced onto Nike by extreme circumstances.
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I would just like to reiterate that right now you all are arguing about Guy leaving a corporate/non-skater owned company, for a different corporate/non-skater owned company. The only difference, quite literally, is that one used to be skater owned and the other was not, but I'm not sure why that matters since it's no longer the case.
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I would just like to reiterate that right now you all are arguing about Guy leaving a corporate/non-skater owned company, for a different corporate/non-skater owned company. The only difference, quite literally, is that one used to be skater owned and the other was not, but I'm not sure why that matters since it's no longer the case.
This is quite literally the biggest load of crap in a thread full of it.
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I would just like to reiterate that right now you all are arguing about Guy leaving a corporate/non-skater owned company, for a different corporate/non-skater owned company. The only difference, quite literally, is that one used to be skater owned and the other was not, but I'm not sure why that matters since it's no longer the case.
This is quite literally the biggest load of crap in a thread full of it.
Nah. There is even an argument to be made that what Girl did is worse than Nike, as Girl used to represent something special in skateboarding, and they ditched that shit for straight cash, whereas Nike has always been, and will forever be, a corporation--they never tried to hide their stripes...but I'll spare Slap that tirade for a different snowday. When people are saying "but guy didn't HAVE to have children..." you think what I am saying is crap? Yeesh. Come on, dude.
I know, the people who brought us The Chocolate Tour 1999 are owned by a bunch of suits now. It's tough news to swallow, but we, as a skateboarding community, have had almost a year to digest this soul crushing information and mull it over in our collective pea-brains. I think we can all agree that when Guy came out in all black Nike garb a few weeks ago, that was the death toll, okay?
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^i'd agree with most of that. rickk and mike cashed out and took altamonts money at the end of their careers. now guy is doing his version of the same thing. how can someone say one is ok but the other is not?
also guy was probably getting paid a good living wage, but not something he is going to be able to retire off of. nike probably offers long term stability, he'd be a fool at this point not to take it.
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I would just like to reiterate that right now you all are arguing about Guy leaving a corporate/non-skater owned company, for a different corporate/non-skater owned company. The only difference, quite literally, is that one used to be skater owned and the other was not, but I'm not sure why that matters since it's no longer the case.
This is quite literally the biggest load of crap in a thread full of it.
Nah. There is even an argument to be made that what Girl did is worse than Nike, as Girl used to represent something special in skateboarding, and they ditched that shit for straight cash, whereas Nike has always been, and will forever be, a corporation--they never tried to hide their stripes...but I'll spare Slap that tirade for a different snowday. When people are saying "but guy didn't HAVE to have children..." you think what I am saying is crap? Yeesh. Come on, dude.
I know, the people who brought us The Chocolate Tour 1999 are owned by a bunch of suits now. It's tough news to swallow, but we, as a skateboarding community, have had almost a year to digest this soul crushing information and mull it over in our collective pea-brains. I think we can all agree that when Guy came out in all black Nike garb a few weeks ago, that was the death toll, okay?
We are clearly living in new times, but if you can't see the difference between a brand like Nike and Girl (regardless of Altamont Capital owning a percentage), you aren't looking hard enough.
The "skater owned" thing may be played out, but there is a difference between a brand born out of skateboarding and one that is not. I'd much rather support brands born from skateboarding, where it is possible.
Seems clear to me that the Altamont deal was more done out of necessity. If it was about "selling out", they would have done it earlier, when the company was worth a lot more, not in 2015, when they are hurting bad.
Someone said it perfectly earlier in this thread, that Guy's last 10 years were likely more productive than his next 10 will be. Nike is like the New York Yankees of skateboarding, coming in and overpaying for free agents on the decline / in their twilight years.
I'd never fault anyone in skateboarding for getting paid, but fuck the Yankees.
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If you guys really want to back the whole skater owned thing you should buy products from Globe International,
started by 2 Aussie skateboarders Peter and Stephen Hill back in the 80's
Their brands include..
Globe
Gallaz
FXD
Impala
Dwindle
Enjoi
Blind
Almost
Cliché
Darkstar
Tensor
Speed Demons
Dusters Of California
Wreck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_International
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If you guys really want to back the whole skater owned thing you should buy products from Globe International,
started by 2 Aussie skateboarders Peter and Stephen Hill back in the 80's
Their brands include..
Globe
Gallaz
FXD
Impala
Dwindle
Enjoi
Blind
Almost
Clich�
Darkstar
Tensor
Speed Demons
Dusters Of California
Wreck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_International
The part where they had an IPO and began trading on the Aussie Stock Exchange would seem like it's rather far from skate owned.
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If he is "in hiding" , it would be a generic skateboard marketing scheme to "build anticipation" for:
A) Guy Mariano colorway Nike flip flop model
B) "omg, wut company is he gna ryde 4?" "r him and Fr0st0n in caho0tz? " "i bet it'll be called CaNdY K0rN sk8z" etc
Weird to me that , in skateboarding, your skateboard sponsor matters the least these days. (well , and has for a good while)
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^i'd agree with most of that. rickk and mike cashed out and took altamonts money at the end of their careers. now guy is doing his version of the same thing. how can someone say one is ok but the other is not?
also guy was probably getting paid a good living wage, but not something he is going to be able to retire off of. nike probably offers long term stability, he'd be a fool at this point not to take it.
Long term stability? He is a 40 plus year old riding a skateboard for a living
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I was at the baths over the weekend, sitting in the porn room. People milled about about, many of them looking a little worse for wear.
There was a man stretched out to my left and another fellow scame in and started trying to pull his towel off to get at the goods. The first guy kind of pushed him away, saying he wanted to just relax, but the other guy kind-of kept at it, being really pushy and insistent.
Finally after a few minutes of this the first man shouted, "Leave me the fuck alone, Guy!" and got up and stormed out.
Guy back on meth and sucking cock in bath houses for crack CONFIRMED!
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I was at the baths over the weekend, sitting in the porn room. People milled about about, many of them looking a little worse for wear.
There was a man stretched out to my left and another fellow scame in and started trying to pull his towel off to get at the goods. The first guy kind of pushed him away, saying he wanted to just relax, but the other guy kind-of kept at it, being really pushy and insistent.
Finally after a few minutes of this the first man shouted, "Leave me the fuck alone, Guy!" and got up and stormed out.
Guy back on meth and sucking cock in bath houses for crack CONFIRMED!
footy?
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I prefer the modern day Morrissey Guy to the gangster jerry curl Guy (via Mouse).
You're mental bro
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Just to give some perspective of how the skater owned thing has been manipulated into another marketing ploy I remembered posting this in one of the other thousand Nike vs Core threads.
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One aspect I never understood about Consolidated's anti-Nike campaign is that they have their boards pressed in China. I understand there are larger principles with their campaign, but it's also sort of laughable they have their own company skeletons.
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"Ok, there's a couple more things I'd like to add to the interview. It's about Consolidated. I've been biting my tongue about the whole thing cause I wanted to try and have a peaceful relationship with the people at Consolidated, but the last few ads that were made to directly attack the people who did leave, pissed me off. First off, the whole thing is about money. Birdo and Leticia are mad because they feel they should have been paid by Nike over the Send Help Dunk. the reason for starting up the Don't Do It campaign again is just to make some money riding Nike's coat tails. They're hoping to sell a lot of t-shirts, stickers, a few boards and you'll soon notice how they'll be getting more involved with clothing and shoes. I have to admit at first when they approached me about the whole thing I was taken aback by they're determination to keep skating pure by not letting such a large company come into the industry. I actually approached Leticia with the idea that if they're going to do this thing why not go all out. Instead of just attacking Nike, lets start a nonprofit organization and go after every large company that advertises in skateboard magazines. We could actually generate a lot of money to give back to skateboarding, with programs that would buy completes from shops and give them to kids in the community, hire good park builders for each city that wants a skatepark and just do something good for skateboarding. Her quick and cold response to this was "Oh no. We want to make money off of this". the weird thing is that people at nonprofit organizations actually make money. I just saw it as her not really even giving a fuck about skating. And the day I quit in person to Birdo he told me straight up "If Nike would have given me a million dollars I wouldn't even care about them being in skateboarding". This is from the people who are "so down" and have been dissing me and my friends for the past few months talking about "keeping it real". I've known for a long time their motto for their own company has been "it is what it is", they're so disconnected that they don't realize the same thing applies to skateboarding, it is what it is."
- Emeric Pratt
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Just to give some perspective of how the skater owned thing has been manipulated into another marketing ploy I remembered posting this in one of the other thousand Nike vs Core threads.
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One aspect I never understood about Consolidated's anti-Nike campaign is that they have their boards pressed in China. I understand there are larger principles with their campaign, but it's also sort of laughable they have their own company skeletons.
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"Ok, there's a couple more things I'd like to add to the interview. It's about Consolidated. I've been biting my tongue about the whole thing cause I wanted to try and have a peaceful relationship with the people at Consolidated, but the last few ads that were made to directly attack the people who did leave, pissed me off. First off, the whole thing is about money. Birdo and Leticia are mad because they feel they should have been paid by Nike over the Send Help Dunk. the reason for starting up the Don't Do It campaign again is just to make some money riding Nike's coat tails. They're hoping to sell a lot of t-shirts, stickers, a few boards and you'll soon notice how they'll be getting more involved with clothing and shoes. I have to admit at first when they approached me about the whole thing I was taken aback by they're determination to keep skating pure by not letting such a large company come into the industry. I actually approached Leticia with the idea that if they're going to do this thing why not go all out. Instead of just attacking Nike, lets start a nonprofit organization and go after every large company that advertises in skateboard magazines. We could actually generate a lot of money to give back to skateboarding, with programs that would buy completes from shops and give them to kids in the community, hire good park builders for each city that wants a skatepark and just do something good for skateboarding. Her quick and cold response to this was "Oh no. We want to make money off of this". the weird thing is that people at nonprofit organizations actually make money. I just saw it as her not really even giving a fuck about skating. And the day I quit in person to Birdo he told me straight up "If Nike would have given me a million dollars I wouldn't even care about them being in skateboarding". This is from the people who are "so down" and have been dissing me and my friends for the past few months talking about "keeping it real". I've known for a long time their motto for their own company has been "it is what it is", they're so disconnected that they don't realize the same thing applies to skateboarding, it is what it is."
- Emeric Pratt
(Taken from Swimmers Ear Magazine)
Complete bull shit. The artist who worked for consolidated left on fine terms and was doing his own thing as an artist. When Nike approached him about designing dunks he said they were to have no affiliation with Consolidated and Birdo was never mad at the dude for doing his own thing with Nike. Tried to find the interview where this issue is discussed but I can't find it. Call bullshit on me, I don't care.
Are you incapable of comprehension or is this just part of you're dismiss all relevant information style of discussion? This wasn't about the Dunk colorway, it was about how Consolidated was using the Don't Do It campaign to make money rather than rallying against corporate involvement.
Who said anything about beef between Birdo and the artist? His beef was about the supposed appropriation of his brands colors being used and him not getting a cut. Keep burying your head in you ass bro.
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Who said anything about beef between Birdo and the artist? His beef was about the supposed appropriation of his brands colors being used and him not getting a cut. Keep burying your head in you ass bro.
The "consolidunk" was an unofficial name given to the supposed consolidated collab with Nike, when it had no affiliation with Consolidated whatsoever. They were the "Send Help" dunks. So Emeric's quote (which you will NOT find in the article in Swimmer's Ear Mag by the way) means nothing because it simply isn't true. That's if he even said it, the only thing he mentioned about Consolidated in the article was that Birdo gave him the choice to ride for Consolidated or Nike and Emeric chose Nike.
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Who said anything about beef between Birdo and the artist? His beef was about the supposed appropriation of his brands colors being used and him not getting a cut. Keep burying your head in you ass bro.
The "consolidunk" was an unofficial name given to the supposed consolidated collab with Nike, when it had no affiliation with Consolidated whatsoever. They were the "Send Help" dunks. So Emeric's quote (which you will NOT find in the article in Swimmer's Ear Mag by the way) means nothing because it simply isn't true. That's if he even said it, the only thing he mentioned about Consolidated in the article was that Birdo gave him the choice to ride for Consolidated or Nike and Emeric chose Nike.
So you're going to keep banging on about Dunks instead if addressing the Don't Do It campaigns total obliviousness to giving a fuck about skateboarding and lining their own pockets. Get a grip.
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Who said anything about beef between Birdo and the artist? His beef was about the supposed appropriation of his brands colors being used and him not getting a cut. Keep burying your head in you ass bro.
The "consolidunk" was an unofficial name given to the supposed consolidated collab with Nike, when it had no affiliation with Consolidated whatsoever. They were the "Send Help" dunks. So Emeric's quote (which you will NOT find in the article in Swimmer's Ear Mag by the way) means nothing because it simply isn't true. That's if he even said it, the only thing he mentioned about Consolidated in the article was that Birdo gave him the choice to ride for Consolidated or Nike and Emeric chose Nike.
YOU just brought up the whole appropriation argument and are basically agreeing with the notion that Birdo wanted money from Nike, when I'm telling you Birdo was completely aware of the dunk NOT having any affiliation with Nike. So if the quote is even real, it's a lie.
And how is the Don't Do It campaign "lining their pockets with money"? They're spreading awareness through free information online and giving away free stickers. Birdo sends extra stickers to my local shop so if you want some they can hook you up for free. Sure, he sells shirts and boards with "Don't Do It" on them, but you're supporting a core company by buying it and it's also educating the youth. If you think he's making a killing "selling" a revolution within the industry you're just choosing to be cynical.
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Who said anything about beef between Birdo and the artist? His beef was about the supposed appropriation of his brands colors being used and him not getting a cut. Keep burying your head in you ass bro.
The "consolidunk" was an unofficial name given to the supposed consolidated collab with Nike, when it had no affiliation with Consolidated whatsoever. They were the "Send Help" dunks. So Emeric's quote (which you will NOT find in the article in Swimmer's Ear Mag by the way) means nothing because it simply isn't true. That's if he even said it, the only thing he mentioned about Consolidated in the article was that Birdo gave him the choice to ride for Consolidated or Nike and Emeric chose Nike.
YOU just brought up the whole appropriation argument and are basically agreeing with the notion that Birdo wanted money from Nike, when I'm telling you Birdo was completely aware of the dunk NOT having any affiliation with Nike. So if the quote is even real, it's a lie.
And how is the Don't Do It campaign "lining their pockets with money"? They're spreading awareness through free information online and giving away free stickers. Birdo sends extra stickers to my local shop so if you want some they can hook you up for free. Sure, he sells shirts and boards with "Don't Do It" on them, but you're supporting a core company by buying it and it's also educating the youth. If you think he's making a killing "selling" a revolution within the industry you're just choosing to be cynical.
Id say Consolidated are making money by trashing Nike . Its a weird campaign . Consolidated hasnt done anything good since ? , I remember One was a big influence . But I cant name a single skater on the team or video besides that .
All I know about consolidated now is that they are making money of nike . Kinda weird making money of something you hate , might be worse then the company you hate
As I brought up before . Even if Nike leaves skateboarding , its no worse then the other 100 skate companies that closed down or went bankrupt . But Nike would have at least raised the quality of skate shoes . Sponsored more skaters then several companies together . Raised money and sponsored parks . supported some of the best skaters in the business and made some great videos
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He's gonna be on Nike wood along with Luan and Koston. In the future we shall also see Nyjah on said brand. Team Olympics :(
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He's gonna be on Nike wood along with Luan and Koston. In the future we shall also see Nyjah on said brand. Team Olympics :(
Nyjah and guy are both on nike already.
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Nyjah and guy are both on nike already.
yeah but nike boards.
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Nyjah and guy are both on nike already.
Sorry. Missed that. Even though its right in the fucking sentence. My bad
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Slap seems to think that Nike got to the level they are at due to poor business practices. These corporations issue budgets for subdivisions. Nike SB is not getting any where near the funding that something like Nike Golf is. Yes, they sell a lot of shoes- but they sure as shit aren't making even close to the amount of profit off of middle aged white people buying golf balls with a profit margin of 500%. They also employ a ton of people, researching, manufacturing, accounting, the full nine. That being said, there is no way they are throwing around large sums of "life changing" money to pouch skaters. What they are doing, is offering benefits that are undeniable to someone that skates for a living. This is a good business practice that Nike is revered for- they treat athletes and mid level employees really well. There is no way that Lakai even thinks about offering dental insurance to the kids of their riders. Guy is going into hiding because he sold out. In the skateboard industry taking care of your riders in beyond free meals and ER room bills is overlooked. It's unique to this industry and Guy needed a solution for his fucking family. It sucks but imagine if you were all of a sudden hated for doing something you essentially had to do.
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Slap seems to think that Nike got to the level they are at due to poor business practices. These corporations issue budgets for subdivisions. Nike SB is not getting any where near the funding that something like Nike Golf is. Yes, they sell a lot of shoes- but they sure as shit aren't making even close to the amount of profit off of middle aged white people buying golf balls with a profit margin of 500%. They also employ a ton of people, researching, manufacturing, accounting, the full nine. That being said, there is no way they are throwing around large sums of "life changing" money to pouch skaters. What they are doing, is offering benefits that are undeniable to someone that skates for a living. This is a good business practice that Nike is revered for- they treat athletes and mid level employees really well. There is no way that Lakai even thinks about offering dental insurance to the kids of their riders. Guy is going into hiding because he sold out. In the skateboard industry taking care of your riders in beyond free meals and ER room bills is overlooked. It's unique to this industry and Guy needed a solution for his fucking family. It sucks but imagine if you were all of a sudden hated for doing something you essentially had to do.
Tell your wife to get a fucking job, and one with benefits if that is the issue.
He sold out, plain and simple
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If you guys really want to back the whole skater owned thing you should buy products from Globe International,
started by 2 Aussie skateboarders Peter and Stephen Hill back in the 80's
Their brands include..
Globe
Gallaz
FXD
Impala
Dwindle
Enjoi
Blind
Almost
Clich�
Darkstar
Tensor
Speed Demons
Dusters Of California
Wreck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_International
I've gone on their website before and the investors page is blank...who knows who they are backed by.
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If you guys really want to back the whole skater owned thing you should buy products from Globe International,
started by 2 Aussie skateboarders Peter and Stephen Hill back in the 80's
Their brands include..
Globe
Gallaz
FXD
Impala
Dwindle
Enjoi
Blind
Almost
Clich�
Darkstar
Tensor
Speed Demons
Dusters Of California
Wreck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_International
I've gone on their website before and the investors page is blank...who knows who they are backed by.
The Hill brothers grandfather was the inventor of the Hills Hoist and came from money. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hills_Hoist
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Nothing better than guys behind a keyboard saying what Guy isn't allowed to do with his own life...
When you're about to hit your 40's with a family, and with no education and realize the only career path left is a warehouse job, you'd sign a contract with Nike too. Don't even attempt to give us that stupid fucking "I'm so core I would be homeless" shit. If you have a family, you're gonna do what you have to do, which some of you are apparently too immature to admit
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So I decided to look for Royal Trucks on Google because my life is dumb like that. I found that the site is "Coming Soon", and that it just links you to the Crailtap online store, where there's only one type of truck available for sale. Wonder what that means.
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So I decided to look for Royal Trucks on Google because my life is dumb like that. I found that the site is "Coming Soon", and that it just links you to the Crailtap online store, where there's only one type of truck available for sale. Wonder what that means.
Means a new site is coming soon. Also if you click on the truck you'll see that you can select low or standard and the width. Thats the newest Royal truck that came out a little while ago. Guy was the only one with a pro model truck so far I think. If thats gone I imagine that means he's gone too.
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Slap seems to think that Nike got to the level they are at due to poor business practices. These corporations issue budgets for subdivisions. Nike SB is not getting any where near the funding that something like Nike Golf is. Yes, they sell a lot of shoes- but they sure as shit aren't making even close to the amount of profit off of middle aged white people buying golf balls with a profit margin of 500%. They also employ a ton of people, researching, manufacturing, accounting, the full nine. That being said, there is no way they are throwing around large sums of "life changing" money to pouch skaters. What they are doing, is offering benefits that are undeniable to someone that skates for a living. This is a good business practice that Nike is revered for- they treat athletes and mid level employees really well. There is no way that Lakai even thinks about offering dental insurance to the kids of their riders. Guy is going into hiding because he sold out. In the skateboard industry taking care of your riders in beyond free meals and ER room bills is overlooked. It's unique to this industry and Guy needed a solution for his fucking family. It sucks but imagine if you were all of a sudden hated for doing something you essentially had to do.
Tell your wife to get a fucking job, and one with benefits if that is the issue.
He sold out, plain and simple
Do you have a wife? Kids?
Nothing is ever plain and simple, and if I were to tell my wife to "fucking" do anything, things would become incredibly complex!
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So I decided to look for Royal Trucks on Google because my life is dumb like that. I found that the site is "Coming Soon", and that it just links you to the Crailtap online store, where there's only one type of truck available for sale. Wonder what that means.
Also Vincent just got a new signature truck
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgaulG9mUtU#)
Dude needs a wheel and bolt sponsor more by the looks of it.
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So I decided to look for Royal Trucks on Google because my life is dumb like that. I found that the site is "Coming Soon", and that it just links you to the Crailtap online store, where there's only one type of truck available for sale. Wonder what that means.
Also Vincent just got a new signature truck
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgaulG9mUtU#)
i love that he's one of their top pros and skates the shittiest setups. he's a real one.
Dude needs a wheel and bolt sponsor more by the looks of it.
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So I decided to look for Royal Trucks on Google because my life is dumb like that. I found that the site is "Coming Soon", and that it just links you to the Crailtap online store, where there's only one type of truck available for sale. Wonder what that means.
Also Vincent just got a new signature truck
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgaulG9mUtU#)
i love that he's one of their top pros and skates the shittiest setups. he's a real one.
Dude needs a wheel and bolt sponsor more by the looks of it.
he's in spitfire and im sure diamond.. read in a interview he skates product til the death... ive seen bachinsky ig posts and seems he's on the same page
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Slap seems to think that Nike got to the level they are at due to poor business practices. These corporations issue budgets for subdivisions. Nike SB is not getting any where near the funding that something like Nike Golf is. Yes, they sell a lot of shoes- but they sure as shit aren't making even close to the amount of profit off of middle aged white people buying golf balls with a profit margin of 500%. They also employ a ton of people, researching, manufacturing, accounting, the full nine. That being said, there is no way they are throwing around large sums of "life changing" money to pouch skaters. What they are doing, is offering benefits that are undeniable to someone that skates for a living. This is a good business practice that Nike is revered for- they treat athletes and mid level employees really well. There is no way that Lakai even thinks about offering dental insurance to the kids of their riders. Guy is going into hiding because he sold out. In the skateboard industry taking care of your riders in beyond free meals and ER room bills is overlooked. It's unique to this industry and Guy needed a solution for his fucking family. It sucks but imagine if you were all of a sudden hated for doing something you essentially had to do.
Tell your wife to get a fucking job, and one with benefits if that is the issue.
He sold out, plain and simple
Do you have a wife? Kids?
Nothing is ever plain and simple, and if I were to tell my wife to "fucking" do anything, things would become incredibly complex!
Yes, I have a wife of 17 years and 2 children, perhaps i'm lucky that my wife is interested in contributing to our family
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I like baby guy the best. The most pure and innocent version of guy.
Sure about that?
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxoKheeIriGgvga16NqT83StzMb3e691DYD7afJGpE1onuWPtm1g)
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Cory Kennedy had a pro truck also
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If you read this thread title out loud it would sound like
"Wise guy gone into hiding"
(http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/franco/24716-Deluxe-Black-Tony-Wise-Guy-Wig-large.jpg)
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Nike makes solid shoes. I've always been a fan, long before the SB line. But the bottom line is these dudes are growing up, making adult decisions, planning for a future, and taking care of their families. My only problem with Guy has to do with the way he left Crailtap, with neither side acknowledging or thanking each other for over 20 years of work together. Obviously there was beef, but come on, I'm dissappointed in both sides. I respect Guy getting sober, coming back hard, and actually doing the things I wish Gino would do. Koston has always seemed like a cock, deep down, and I don't really care what happens to him.
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Slap seems to think that Nike got to the level they are at due to poor business practices. These corporations issue budgets for subdivisions. Nike SB is not getting any where near the funding that something like Nike Golf is. Yes, they sell a lot of shoes- but they sure as shit aren't making even close to the amount of profit off of middle aged white people buying golf balls with a profit margin of 500%. They also employ a ton of people, researching, manufacturing, accounting, the full nine. That being said, there is no way they are throwing around large sums of "life changing" money to pouch skaters. What they are doing, is offering benefits that are undeniable to someone that skates for a living. This is a good business practice that Nike is revered for- they treat athletes and mid level employees really well. There is no way that Lakai even thinks about offering dental insurance to the kids of their riders. Guy is going into hiding because he sold out. In the skateboard industry taking care of your riders in beyond free meals and ER room bills is overlooked. It's unique to this industry and Guy needed a solution for his fucking family. It sucks but imagine if you were all of a sudden hated for doing something you essentially had to do.
lol RIP in peace
And of course Nike didn't get to where they are with bad business practices, but it'd be nice if they wouldn't try so hard to take over skateboarding. Maybe be a little more like Adidas. Agreed though, anyone with a brain would skate for them