Also sorry I went off topic ... I tried to care about the shoe debate for a while years ago, but honestly the reasons I liked emerica back in the day were the same reasons I liked Adidas more recently ... the team, vibe and aesthetics. While I don't like a lot of the Adidas shoes out today and def not the clothes, I really like a few of their shoes and I really like the team and vibe they have ( same with NB although I haven't found a shoe from them that fits me yet ) where as I can't get down with Nike's big ass undefined team, Emerica's new feel ( outside of Drew, Spanky, Romero, and Hsu I'm not a fan at all ) I mean can anyone tell me Lakai feels like an actual team anymore, Supra has always been meh and es dropped a killer team and now has skaters just repping them? I feel like they all just want our money, even the skater owned companies ( if there even are any anymore ). If you want to keep up this fight, I'd say State or Proper are really the only two choices that seem valid and buying them from your local would be the biggest difference you could make in supporting skaters! Just this guys .02