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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Shtonk on March 07, 2024, 08:17:06 AM
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Hey everyone,
so I've rolled my ankle really badly a couple months ago and it's still not great. I bought these trail running mid-high shoes, Salomon X-Ultra 4 Mid (https://www.salomon.com/de-de/shop-emea/product/x-ultra-4-mid-gore-tex-21.html#color=47961) that are really great in how light and nimble they feel but how much support I'm feeling for my heel and ankle. That becomes especially noticeable when I change into my Last Resorts for skating and my foot feels lose and starts hurting really quickly. So I'm wondering, what would you recommend for a skate shoe that isn't a complete clog (I love skating LRs because of the boardfeel) but maybe provides a support like that hiking shoe? Been looking at Ryan Lay's review of the 440s V2 and that sounds kind of interesting, might go and try those out. They're cupsoles but feel thin enough maybe.
Thanks for any advice!
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Ankle breaking / rolling expert here.
Go with the NB 440V2 hi. I am OCD AF about ankle support due to my past injuries. Those keep your foot/ankle locked it and skate amazing. Great board feel. My only complaint is they are too narrow for my feet so I had to stop skating them.
The Vans Skate Sk8-hi are a little wider in the toe box so if you have wide feet consider those. These fit my feet better so I'm skating these but I would say as a whole the 440 hi out beats the Vans Skate Sk8-hi in every way.
The goal here is to find a wide sole thats low to the ground. The opposite: narrow sole, higher up makes it easier for your ankle to tip over and therefore roll.
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I think like 440v2 high with an aftermarket insole with more arch support/heel cup.
480 high might be good but lack of board feel from what I’ve heard.
My feet underpronate super hard so I need a wide stable midsole with good arch support and the 1010 seems to make my feet the happiest (albeit I wish they were a mid top). And I do find that 1010 seems to be happiest medium (for me)with regards to board feel.
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I’ve skated vulcs my whole life, mostly Vans, made the switch to skating Last Resort when they came out, impulse bought some SB Dunks recently and I can’t believe how un-bulky they actually feel to skate in. I imagined it would be like skating in clogs and I’d just wear them as chillers, but they actually have as much boardfeel as any vulc I’ve skated. Way more support than anything I’ve skated in too obviously.
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crockett highs. steer away from the decon joints tho
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The G6 cupsoles from Emerica are solid choices while they're still around: Slip Cup, Figgy G6, Gamma G6, and KSL G6.
Michelin cupsoles from Etnies: Marana, Joslin. These offer less boardfeel than the G6 cups. The sole is sturdy and grippy. When paired with a nice insole, you shouldn't feel fatigue nearly as much as slimmer shoes after skating in them.
New Balance #: 1010 pretty thick feeling shoe but surprisingly good connection to your board in the forefoot, 600 more of a good middle ground between slim cup and thick tech cup (808) but seems to satisfy the itch of a supportive cup that's still flexible like vulcs. 508 is another middle of the road cup that blends vulc and cup qualities
Es: Silo SC, Quattro, and maybe the Accel OG. The sole on the OG is thick-ish but feels surprisingly more connected to the board underneath your feet than expected. Rest of the shoe is bulky so loss of board feel there. The other two models are similar to NB# 600 performance and feel: light and felixble, but are supportive cupsoles (with midsoles)
TLDR:
Emerica G6 - KSL, Gamma G6, Figgy G6, Slip Cup
Etnies: Marana, Joslin, Aurelien (Michelin specific one), Windrow
NB#: 1010, 600, 508
Es: Quattro, Silo SC, Accel Slim Plus or Accel Slim x Swift 1.5, Swift 1.5
Nike SB: Dunks, Nyjah 1-3, maybe Ishod 1 & 2
Vans: The AVE (if you can still find them), Zahba Mid, Rowan 2
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SB Blazer Mids or Dunk Highs are my favorite to skate in coming off a ankle sprain, super supportive for the ankles and skate/look great.
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Yeah blazers are pretty much the definition, all support, no sole…..I’d say try on both pairs of V2 and the OG 440 no?one is thinner than the other….
Something I’ve come to realize too is that you can find support in different ways in a shoe, a mid or high is helpful, but so is a more stable sole. A half cab versus a cupsole new balance, which are more stable? I’d say try stuff on and lean over your ankle, IMO, that vulc sidewall is snap city…..
I think on cup soles too, on flip stuff you let the shoe do the work, not your ankle…..everyone’s need for feel is different though so hopefully you find something.
I skate TJ’s….they are bricks….
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Thanks everyone! I skated the Vans Sk8His for a long time before Last Ressorts and that's not what I would call a supportive shoe. They turn into a flabby sock after like two weeks of skating. Sole thickness is one thing but what I find so helpful in these Salomon boots is the way the heelcup hugs my ankle in the back and how above the ankle joint it really closes in like almost pinching the Achilles heel if that makes sense? And when they're laced up the front seems to stiffen around the upper outside of the foot where the frontal lateral ligament is. And also how the heel part of the Sole has worn into the shape of my heels without losing dampening qualities etc etc. So there's tech and shape engineering involved that the Sk8Hi doesn't have at all. That's what I'm looking for.
I've looked at higher blazers but so far couldn't bring myself to rocking the swoosh... I also habe a fairly wide foot and the blazers look slim? Curious to see how they compare to the NB 440s. NB seem like they have the most foot-health-engineered approach in the game, is that correct?
Also for third Party insoles what would you guys suggest? I have quite flat feet and got orthopedic insoles which im pretty sure are what made me roll my ankle this last time as it happened just after I started using them. Would you guys go for skate brands like footprint or is there better stuff out there?
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Thanks everyone! I skated the Vans Sk8His for a long time before Last Ressorts and that's not what I would call a supportive shoe. They turn into a flabby sock after like two weeks of skating. Sole thickness is one thing but what I find so helpful in these Salomon boots is the way the heelcup hugs my ankle in the back and how above the ankle joint it really closes in like almost pinching the Achilles heel if that makes sense? And when they're laced up the front seems to stiffen around the upper outside of the foot where the frontal lateral ligament is. And also how the heel part of the Sole has worn into the shape of my heels without losing dampening qualities etc etc. So there's tech and shape engineering involved that the Sk8Hi doesn't have at all. That's what I'm looking for.
I've looked at higher blazers but so far couldn't bring myself to rocking the swoosh... I also habe a fairly wide foot and the blazers look slim? Curious to see how they compare to the NB 440s. NB seem like they have the most foot-health-engineered approach in the game, is that correct?
Also for third Party insoles what would you guys suggest? I have quite flat feet and got orthopedic insoles which im pretty sure are what made me roll my ankle this last time as it happened just after I started using them. Would you guys go for skate brands like footprint or is there better stuff out there?
I run Emerica g6 insoles I stole from some KSL g6s in my 440s and they’re perfect
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I’ve been liking Superfeet Run Cushion insoles in my NB 440 v1 his for a balance of boardfeel and support. I just picked up the v2s and hoping the good times will continue.
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Thanks everyone, I'm gonna look at NB 440s Gen 1 and 2 and Blazers and let you know, I have pretty wide feet as well (V003 in Last Ressorts) so will see about 440s being too slim.
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So I've ordered 440 v1 and v2, Nike SB Dunk Hi and Blazers. The 440 v2 beabsichtigt all of the others straight out of the water in terms how hugged and connected the foot feels to the shoe. From the heel cup to the lacing across the span to the ortholite insoles, this one feels really quite close to the hi tech hiking boots. The cupsole feels mega stiff compared to the LRs and Sk8His Im used to but I expected that. Will see how they break in and feel in the board, so far I've only tested for feeling on the foot. Also gonna have to der if they end up being to slim for my front foot.
Tied for second place are the 440v1 (feels a bit less fitted to the foot and less connected) and the dunk (feels a little wobbly and roomy). The blazers are glorified sk8his as far as Im concerned. No discernible fitting around the ankle feels like they'll break in to be just as mushy as LRs
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Nb1010
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I've tried pretty much each of the shoes described in this thread, and can tell you that because each person's feet is different that it can be super difficult to get the perfect shoe.
If you need boardfeel, Vans vulcs with popcush are probably a good way to go. I wear them at my job all day and typically have no issues. Only problem is that I find they mess with my biometrics (it's like walking in wet sand all day) and aren't the most durable, but they're a step up from LRAB.
In terms of the best comfort, you really can't go wrong with the 440/1010. New Balance is probably the best overall for comfort and all day wear. 440 is thinner while the 1010 is a lot thicker. The 480 are very dunk like but I've had days where they've killed my feet. 808 has it's supporters but it seems to be described as brick like by some. Outside of NB, shoes like the Tyshawn, Puig, Leo, Nyjah, Rowan are also worth checking out. I would try those on before considering a purchase, however.
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Jordan 1 mids
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SB Blazer Mids or Dunk Highs are my favorite to skate in coming off a ankle sprain, super supportive for the ankles and skate/look great.
Blazers are thinner than a pair of vans. I can feel the ground walking in those.
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Josl1n has a very good balance between boardfeel and support.
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I'm waiting on the Asics. I'll get back to this again after I get.
As someone who's suffered and is going to suffer till the day I die.
Fuck bloard feel. Protect yer feet.
Now that I've said that. The absolute best non NB combo has been fast break plus a game changer insole.
Followed closely by dunk with a game changer.
Idk what it is about that orange foam. Must be some princess and the pea shit. Even the Af2 with a game changer has good bloard feel.
Take my level of bloard feel with a grain of salt. I skatebloarded in boots a lot and I why I'm so attached to like Penny and like that weirdo who name escapes me. And kien.
Bet they never thought they'd be classified next to Penny in anyway that posi.
I just did.
More boot cats need to pop up.
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I really like the Tyshawn remastered mids for ankle protections
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I'm waiting on the Asics. I'll get back to this again after I get.
As someone who's suffered and is going to suffer till the day I die.
Fuck bloard feel. Protect yer feet.
Now that I've said that. The absolute best non NB combo has been fast break plus a game changer insole.
Followed closely by dunk with a game changer.
Idk what it is about that orange foam. Must be some princess and the pea shit. Even the Af2 with a game changer has good bloard feel.
Take my level of bloard feel with a grain of salt. I skatebloarded in boots a lot and I why I'm so attached to like Penny and like that weirdo who name escapes me. And kien.
Bet they never thought they'd be classified next to Penny in anyway that posi.
I just did.
More boot cats need to pop up.
protect your feet indeed.
i’m old, and i’d rather skate, than not. board feel is overrated. now. i’m not good. so there is that.
nb 808s. .5 size up, and need a fair amount of break in.
i’ll skate thin shoes, when i want to hurt myself.
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Yeah blazers are pretty much the definition, all support, no sole…..I’d say try on both pairs of V2 and the OG 440 no?one is thinner than the other….
Something I’ve come to realize too is that you can find support in different ways in a shoe, a mid or high is helpful, but so is a more stable sole. A half cab versus a cupsole new balance, which are more stable? I’d say try stuff on and lean over your ankle, IMO, that vulc sidewall is snap city…..
I think on cup soles too, on flip stuff you let the shoe do the work, not your ankle…..everyone’s need for feel is different though so hopefully you find something.
I skate TJ’s….they are bricks….
Agreed about different types of support.
I went over to blazer mids after a long long time w half cabs. I felt they were much better for my ankles and that my hips were jist taking a beating. Then i switched over to a pair of 1010s, skeptically so, thinking the lack of direct ankle support would fail me. I was totally wrong. Since swapping to the 1010 as a regular and skate shoe last week, I havent been this free of pain while skating in a very long time.
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I need support on my back foot ankle which needs ibuprofen after every session… I have Nyjah 2 which I like but no ankle support and ishod 1 (not very good comfort anyway)
For now I’ve seen Nike Leo baker, Louie Lopez cons, fastbreak.
I wonder if dunk , half cab, or any other should could be good without being too ugly ideally …
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I need support on my back foot ankle which needs ibuprofen after every session… I have Nyjah 2 which I like but no ankle support and ishod 1 (not very good comfort anyway)
For now I’ve seen Nike Leo baker, Louie Lopez cons, fastbreak.
I wonder if dunk , half cab, or any other should could be good without being too ugly ideally …
Have you considered to use a light ankle brace? I think shoes can only give so much support. Half Cabs don't protect your ankles that well in my experience.
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Actually I never thought about it. I saw I rheumatologist who said that limiting the angles with a mid/high could maybe help but I don’t think he’s ever skated
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Ankle breaking / rolling expert here.
Go with the NB 440V2 hi. I am OCD AF about ankle support due to my past injuries. Those keep your foot/ankle locked it and skate amazing. Great board feel. My only complaint is they are too narrow for my feet so I had to stop skating them.
The Vans Skate Sk8-hi are a little wider in the toe box so if you have wide feet consider those. These fit my feet better so I'm skating these but I would say as a whole the 440 hi out beats the Vans Skate Sk8-hi in every way.
The goal here is to find a wide sole thats low to the ground. The opposite: narrow sole, higher up makes it easier for your ankle to tip over and therefore roll.
I agree. Half Cabs also also worked for me.
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I love the Cons Fastbreaks - got the skateshop day blue/black and love them - super supportive, better flick than half cabs, best board feel I've had from a cupsole!
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So I got the NB 440v2 Hi and I've skated them a bit now and goddamn they feel good. The fit on the foot around the ankle and heel is so solid and supportive, the Ortholite insole molds itself perfectly. And for someone who hasn't skated cupsole in 10 years I'm surprised about how much I do still feel. The only thing is I REALLY don't like how they look, absolute sports science student type of vibe haha. And they do feel tight around the toes, wouldn't wanna wear them all day, but I don't wear skate shoes outside of skating anyway so this doesn't really bother me.
I tried the 440v1 hi, Nike Blazer Hi and SB Dunks Hi and both Nikes felt like shit. The 440 v1 felt good but v2 beats them clearly. Blazers are clearly the visual favourite but compared to the 440v2 they are just a flabby husk. Thanks for the input everyone!
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I'm not sure if could find a shoe more on trend.....now you'll have to spend some time trying to unlock the paradox of pantery required to find just the right pair to go with the shoes.....
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As others have said, everyone’s feet are different so what feels supportive for one might feel horrible for someone else. I’ve tried tons of shoes and so far I’ve always felt New Balance and ASICS have such a different, much more solid feel than any other company. Very supportive, no foot pain or fatigue, and fit like a glove (for me).
Would definitely recommend those two
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Like someone else mentioned …. Crockett high.
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I'm not sure if could find a shoe more on trend.....now you'll have to spend some time trying to unlock the paradox of pantery required to find just the right pair to go with the shoes.....
I chose to support my local over fashion, they only had the white colourway, nothing could be further from my preference. But it is freeing in a personal growth type of way to properly stop giving a fuck about how you look and concentrating purely on how you feel when skating. Or maybe it's regression to grom stage I can't really tell
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I need support on my back foot ankle which needs ibuprofen after every session… I have Nyjah 2 which I like but no ankle support and ishod 1 (not very good comfort anyway)
For now I’ve seen Nike Leo baker, Louie Lopez cons, fastbreak.
I wonder if dunk , half cab, or any other should could be good without being too ugly ideally …
Have you considered to use a light ankle brace? I think shoes can only give so much support. Half Cabs don't protect your ankles that well in my experience.
Just answering that later but if it helps anyone, I ordered a few knitted ankle braces.
- decathlon running one is super good but very harsh on the skin
- zamst is useless
- thuasne seems really good
I did a few sessions without and it’s fine now that I got rid of the pain!
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Old Bones ankle sleeve with those gel pads on the sides and the 1010s have done wonders for my destroyed ankle. Few instances that I came out of with just a slight tinge that I know without those I would've been done for at least 3-4 weeks with a sprained ankle.
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Old Bones ankle sleeve with those gel pads on the sides and the 1010s have done wonders for my destroyed ankle. Few instances that I came out of with just a slight tinge that I know without those I would've been done for at least 3-4 weeks with a sprained ankle.
The Rowan 2s have been amazing as well 👌
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I'm not sure if could find a shoe more on trend.....now you'll have to spend some time trying to unlock the paradox of pantery required to find just the right pair to go with the shoes.....
It’s possible the shoes actually look great and you don’t know it……