heyheyhey, settle down now. yeah zaggers are 8.5 wide, not sure on the length but i seem to remember them being maybe somewhere in the 34 range or something. I didn't say nothing about not being able to do tricks on them or anything like that, I was just responding to Wh013's post about his frustrations in the past with his zagger, by stating my personal oppinion about how fun little cruisers can be. the hippy/longboard comment was more directed to the seemingly booming market of cruisers boards that are seemingly becoming more and more long and wide, thus heavy and lame. Zaggers are still well within what I find to be a fun cruiser, though I'd rather take a Zinger instead.