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Been skating indy 139s forever, but switching to thunders have crossed my mind.
which is actually made better???
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i'd say stick with independent
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I could be wrong but I think they are both made in the same foundry. Either way I have never noticed a difference in quality between the two and really like them both. It comes down more to feel and in my experience Thunders feel like they have a quicker response and turn and the Indy's feel a little more flowy. Either way they are both really good. If you like to swap out the factory bushings with Bones than the Indy geometry is a little better for the swap.
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I could be wrong but I think they are both made in the same foundry. Either way I have never noticed a difference in quality between the two and really like them both. It comes down more to feel and in my experience Thunders feel like they have a quicker response and turn and the Indy's feel a little more flowy. Either way they are both really good. If you like to swap out the factory bushings with Bones than the Indy geometry is a little better for the swap.
Yep, they're both made at the same foundry. I've been skating Thunders pretty much the whole time I've been skating, and had my first "Thunder defect" last fall with a crappy replacement kingpin. I sent an email to customer service and aside from giving me a new pair of Thunders of my choice, the rep (Christian if I remember correctly) told me that Indy's and Thunders are made at the same foundry, with the same kingpins and hardware.
It's a matter of personal preference, but I'd say that either one of them would be a good choice. For some reason, Thunders are the only trucks I've owned where I didn't break the baseplate, though.
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what about bullet trucks yall
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Independent for sure. I fucking hate thunders, every set I've ever had, there was a problem with. Whether it be axle slip, broken kingpin, etc. For the longest time, I was a strictly Indy guy, but for the past year, I've been riding theeve v3's, the 5.5's. They are seriously some of the best trucks I've ever had. Aside from the fact that they are super light, they have superior turning. I've been meaning to pick up a pair of venture 5.25's though, they look like they would be good.
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Both are good. I'd say give thunders a shot if you've been skating Indy for a long time and want to switch it up. It's fun to change it up once in a while.
If you ride looser trucks, you should check out ace. I got a pair not too long ago and I love them. The best turn out there.
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Favorite thing about thunder are the bushings they come in, Worst thing about it once the bushing mush out the replacement bushings don't feel the same so i would end up buying a new set. Anyone else feel the difference?
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Ehhh no.
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Ehhh no.
ha, i went to EB on a fixed income and the only trucks i could get w/ my budget complete had clouds on them. i forget the name of them, royals maybe? yeah, like the band 'royal trux'. loosen em up and they're just like thunders or whatever i'd have bought if money were no object.
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Ill never understand why krux have that hole in the centre, too me it just feels like it'd weaken the trucks, anyone know if its just a design too stand out or does it actually do something?
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Ill never understand why krux have that hole in the centre, too me it just feels like it'd weaken the trucks, anyone know if its just a design too stand out or does it actually do something?
I wish they'd add a little lip to it, bottle opener.
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Ill never understand why krux have that hole in the centre, too me it just feels like it'd weaken the trucks, anyone know if its just a design too stand out or does it actually do something?
Thats what i thought it might've been, that'd be awesome
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Ill never understand why krux have that hole in the centre, too me it just feels like it'd weaken the trucks, anyone know if its just a design too stand out or does it actually do something?
I think I read that it makes the truck lighter but I'd guess it's just an identifying mark over everything else. At any rate, if Tommy Sandoval can frontside flip 20's on them I'd guess they're strong enough for the rest of us peons.
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^ That was my logic in giving a pair a try. They have been good so far. The amount of time it has taken to break them in has been significantly less than thunders... maybe just a bushing thing?
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I could be wrong but I think they are both made in the same foundry. Either way I have never noticed a difference in quality between the two and really like them both. It comes down more to feel and in my experience Thunders feel like they have a quicker response and turn and the Indy's feel a little more flowy. Either way they are both really good. If you like to swap out the factory bushings with Bones than the Indy geometry is a little better for the swap.
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Ill never understand why krux have that hole in the centre, too me it just feels like it'd weaken the trucks, anyone know if its just a design too stand out or does it actually do something?
Thats what i thought it might've been, that'd be awesome
you can open a beer with just a deck - didn't you learn anything from Dollin's intro in Baker 3?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTKqLkl_YM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCTKqLkl_YM#)
Thanks Skateboarding
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I just bought my second pair of Thunders. My first pair I got and a week later my board was stolen so I never really got to skate them. Hopefully they'll work out.
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I broke 4 thunder hangers in a month and a half and I dont jump down big shit or anything like that. Indy's are the way to go.
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Indy's are the way to go.
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Thunders don't turn as good...if you carve around a bowl you notice.....
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after years of riding thunder/krux, im finally riding my first pair of indys now. 149 reynolds hollows. easily the best set of trucks ive skated. would like to try some aces next
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after skating theeves for the last 2.5 years, i just bought a new set of indys cause the theeves i had only fit up to an 8.25.
switched out the bushings with bones, and i remember now why i loved independent. Finally my trucks fit my 8.5 boards.
i ALSO got ACE trucks on my cruiser board. those are the best if you put bones bushings in them.
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If you go for lows indys are better. 4 Highs its close but i skate thunder because they look cooler, i have broken a few of the baseplates thoiugh
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Damn, just got some Indy 169's for my 8.5 board and I'm never looking back. I cruised around on my old setup (with Thunder 147's) and they felt absolutely awful. Never going back.
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Been skating indy 139s forever, but switching to thunders have crossed my mind.
which is actually made better???
Try them both, then make your decision. It's all personal preference.
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Damn, just got some Indy 169's for my 8.5 board and I'm never looking back. I cruised around on my old setup (with Thunder 147's) and they felt absolutely awful. Never going back.
Just curious, why 169s? Why not just go with 149s? Any advantages to skating trucks a tad bit wider than your deck?
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Damn, just got some Indy 169's for my 8.5 board and I'm never looking back. I cruised around on my old setup (with Thunder 147's) and they felt absolutely awful. Never going back.
I'm a pretty big guy (5'11 and 205lb) so it's a lot more stable. Plus you get more grinding room. You can skate a square parking curb like a flat bar!
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Independents turn the smoothest, ACE are the sharpest/squirreliest, and Thunder are kind of in the middle. Had a pair of Thunder 151 and I thought they were really good. Sold them off to someone that needed some trucks, and have been riding some 149s since. Can't say I'm complaining.
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there isn't a better in this question. you can ask it. but its just not a thing.
both are good. both may be great. but they are different. there are many things i like (liked) about the 147 MkII (MkIIs so much better then um.. not mkIIs?) and with the improved 149.. (cause the 149 as is / was /// was sorta crap.. way way way to low for a 149)
thunders could be super good.
i like indy just a bit more.. a couple more pros.. then cons.. but thats all it is.. weight person pros and cons.
and yeah.. as stated.. they are both made at the same place.. the quality isn't.. shouldnt be an issue..
all personal taste..
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there isn't a better in this question. you can ask it. but its just not a thing. both are good. both may be great. but they are different. there are many things i like (liked) about the 147 MkII (MkIIs so much better then um.. not mkIIs?) and with the improved 149.. (cause the 149 as is / was /// was sorta crap.. way way way to low for a 149). thunders could be super good. i like indy just a bit more.. a couple more pros.. then cons.. but thats all it is.. weight person pros and cons.and yeah.. as stated.. they are both made at the same place.. the quality isn't.. shouldnt be an issue..
all personal taste..
Pretty much it right here. It all comes down to personal preference. I've skated everything and I keep coming back to Thunder. From a support standpoint I'd love to ride nothing but ACE but they just don't work for me, and the quality has been a little touch and go.
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Indys just carve smoother, I can ride my independents medium/loose but I can't ride my set of thunders any looser than medium because they respond to quickly, they're to agressive for my liking.
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i used to ride thunder trucks, but i just cant get down with them anymore. like the dude above me said, you cant ride them as loose as you can ride your indies. on top of that they seem too low for me personally, and this is coming from someone that used to ride venture lows and thunder lows in the 90's. i also kind of feel that indys are more stable and stronger than how thunders were for me. indys have also been consistently reliable throughout the years and have always treated me well, some better than others, but well nonetheless.
your results may vary, but id lean towards independent better. idk what you personally look for in a truck, so like others suggested maybe you should try out thunders and see which one feels most comfortable to you. i still know skaters (average skaters to pros) that still ride venture lows and shit like that, so its all up to personal preference.
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i used to ride thunder trucks, but i just cant get down with them anymore. like the dude above me said, you cant ride them as loose as you can ride your indies. on top of that they seem too low for me personally, and this is coming from someone that used to ride venture lows and thunder lows in the 90's. i also kind of feel that indys are more stable and stronger than how thunders were for me. indys have also been consistently reliable throughout the years and have always treated me well, some better than others, but well nonetheless.
your results may vary, but id lean towards independent better. idk what you personally look for in a truck, so like others suggested maybe you should try out thunders and see which one feels most comfortable to you. i still know skaters (average skaters to pros) that still ride venture lows and shit like that, so its all up to personal preference.
Rode Thunders for the last 3 years.
I had some Ace's- good fucking truck. Got used to riding em super loose compared to the Thunders I had previously. Accel slipped and couldn't find Ace's here in China.. The local shop only has Thunders and Ventures.. I couldn't get down with Thunders cause there the lowest compared to other high trucks.. So I had to ride the venture hi's which are actually pretty good cause I can have em loose with out the kingpin nut sticking out..
DLX dudes on here- will they remake the rest of the line up with the new 149 height?
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i used to ride thunder trucks, but i just cant get down with them anymore. like the dude above me said, you cant ride them as loose as you can ride your indies. on top of that they seem too low for me personally, and this is coming from someone that used to ride venture lows and thunder lows in the 90's. i also kind of feel that indys are more stable and stronger than how thunders were for me. indys have also been consistently reliable throughout the years and have always treated me well, some better than others, but well nonetheless.
your results may vary, but id lean towards independent better. idk what you personally look for in a truck, so like others suggested maybe you should try out thunders and see which one feels most comfortable to you. i still know skaters (average skaters to pros) that still ride venture lows and shit like that, so its all up to personal preference.
Rode Thunders for the last 3 years.
I had some Ace's- good fucking truck. Got used to riding em super loose compared to the Thunders I had previously. Accel slipped and couldn't find Ace's here in China.. The local shop only has Thunders and Ventures.. I couldn't get down with Thunders cause there the lowest compared to other high trucks.. So I had to ride the venture hi's which are actually pretty good cause I can have em loose with out the kingpin nut sticking out..
DLX dudes on here- will they remake the rest of the line up with the new 149 height?
No, LennyDLX mentioned in another thread since they revamped the 147's 2 years ago into the mkII's, the 147's will be the normal 50mm~ height for probably a couple years at least. The 149s and 151s however are both 52.3mm height now, the 151's always were. I ride an 8.25 with the new 149's and would definitely recommend them if you ride 8.25 or wider.
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i used to ride thunder trucks, but i just cant get down with them anymore. like the dude above me said, you cant ride them as loose as you can ride your indies. on top of that they seem too low for me personally, and this is coming from someone that used to ride venture lows and thunder lows in the 90's. i also kind of feel that indys are more stable and stronger than how thunders were for me. indys have also been consistently reliable throughout the years and have always treated me well, some better than others, but well nonetheless.
your results may vary, but id lean towards independent better. idk what you personally look for in a truck, so like others suggested maybe you should try out thunders and see which one feels most comfortable to you. i still know skaters (average skaters to pros) that still ride venture lows and shit like that, so its all up to personal preference.
Rode Thunders for the last 3 years.
I had some Ace's- good fucking truck. Got used to riding em super loose compared to the Thunders I had previously. Accel slipped and couldn't find Ace's here in China.. The local shop only has Thunders and Ventures.. I couldn't get down with Thunders cause there the lowest compared to other high trucks.. So I had to ride the venture hi's which are actually pretty good cause I can have em loose with out the kingpin nut sticking out..
DLX dudes on here- will they remake the rest of the line up with the new 149 height?
Youre in china....just go to the factory and get a set of aces.....
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i've been riding thunders religiously for the past 8-9 years, with two sets of indys sprinkled in the last two years. i cracked a set of thunders that were ground to the axle and a friend gave me some indys. i skated them for a bit, but switched to thunders the first chance i got. the second set i had for maybe two-three weeks before i got hurt and my setup was given away. here's to another 8-9 years of thunders, and more years after that. i wish i had a memory of every set i've ever owned. it has to be up near the 75-100 pair range
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Been skating indy 139s forever, but switching to thunders have crossed my mind.
which is actually made better???
I made the switch to Thunders after probably 15 or so years on nothing but Indy. Right off the bat they felt different and with 149 hi's I got constant wheel bite until I put in harder bushings. They didn't feel really good until putting in Bones bushings. After about 6 months I wanted to ride Indy's again but stuck with my Thunders for about a year and a half to give them a fair chance. I have no real complaints about them but last week I finally bought a set of stage 11 149 standards and dropped in my medium Bones bushings. I'm happy to have Indy's on my set up again and can't wait to really skate them.
Thanks JimT for giving me the chance to skate Thunders for a bit, but I learned from it I prefer Indy's and will probably not ever change it up again.
Basically, they're both solid top of the line trucks that will work well for you. I see why some people swear by Thunder, they're very good. However, the Indy+Bones combo is pretty much unbeatable, especially for transition skating.
If you primarily skate street and want a slightly lower feeling ride, then Thunders might work better for you, just be prepared for an adjustment period. You'll never know unless you try for yourself.
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Been skating indy 139s forever, but switching to thunders have crossed my mind.
which is actually made better???
I made the switch to Thunders after probably 15 or so years on nothing but Indy. Right off the bat they felt different and with 149 hi's I got constant wheel bite until I put in harder bushings. They didn't feel really good until putting in Bones bushings. After about 6 months I wanted to ride Indy's again but stuck with my Thunders for about a year and a half to give them a fair chance. I have no real complaints about them but last week I finally bought a set of stage 11 149 standards and dropped in my medium Bones bushings. I'm happy to have Indy's on my set up again and can't wait to really skate them.
Thanks JimT for giving me the chance to skate Thunders for a bit, but I learned from it I prefer Indy's and will probably not ever change it up again.
Basically, they're both solid top of the line trucks that will work well for you. I see why some people swear by Thunder, they're very good. However, the Indy+Bones combo is pretty much unbeatable, especially for transition skating.
If you primarily skate street and want a slightly lower feeling ride, then Thunders might work better for you, just be prepared for an adjustment period. You'll never know unless you try for yourself.
i tried to make that shit work for a while & it was nice while it lasted but short-lived because my bones bushings kept compressing down in the front like how the old theeves use to do after a while which makes them turn weird, and id tried that with 2 different sets of bones mediums with & without washers so i dunno what the issue was (granted i skate much more gaps that transition so that type of impact could be the reason)
It seems like ventures dont get nearly as much love as thunders/indy despite the fact that they're all made in the same factory & they're kinda like the middle ground between the two. The only real downside to ventures is the hanger geometry makes it a little harder to tighten those back bolts but that aint nothing a little extra muscle/allen wrench doesnt solve.
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I'm riding Thunders right now and I like them, but I could honestly probably hop on some Indies and still feel totally fine. I guess I don't notice these minute details.
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Been skating indy 139s forever, but switching to thunders have crossed my mind.
which is actually made better???
I made the switch to Thunders after probably 15 or so years on nothing but Indy. Right off the bat they felt different and with 149 hi's I got constant wheel bite until I put in harder bushings. They didn't feel really good until putting in Bones bushings. After about 6 months I wanted to ride Indy's again but stuck with my Thunders for about a year and a half to give them a fair chance. I have no real complaints about them but last week I finally bought a set of stage 11 149 standards and dropped in my medium Bones bushings. I'm happy to have Indy's on my set up again and can't wait to really skate them.
Thanks JimT for giving me the chance to skate Thunders for a bit, but I learned from it I prefer Indy's and will probably not ever change it up again.
Basically, they're both solid top of the line trucks that will work well for you. I see why some people swear by Thunder, they're very good. However, the Indy+Bones combo is pretty much unbeatable, especially for transition skating.
If you primarily skate street and want a slightly lower feeling ride, then Thunders might work better for you, just be prepared for an adjustment period. You'll never know unless you try for yourself.
i tried to make that shit work for a while & it was nice while it lasted but short-lived because my bones bushings kept compressing down in the front like how the old theeves use to do after a while which makes them turn weird, and id tried that with 2 different sets of bones mediums with & without washers so i dunno what the issue was (granted i skate much more gaps that transition so that type of impact could be the reason)
It seems like ventures dont get nearly as much love as thunders/indy despite the fact that they're all made in the same factory & they're kinda like the middle ground between the two. The only real downside to ventures is the hanger geometry makes it a little harder to tighten those back bolts but that aint nothing a little extra muscle/allen wrench doesnt solve.
I never had a problem with the bushings compressing but to be fair I only rode Bones in Indy's for about a month before switching to Thunders, always ran the stock orange bushings before that.
The washers seem to become a necessity after a while, and I think they feel better that way. Of course, 2 top bushings on each truck so the bushing's built in washers seat well.
I agree about Ventures but haven't skated them since around 96-97 so don't really have any valid opinions about how they are now.
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It's a matter of preference. I've always ridden indys and see no point in fixing something that isn't broken. I hear good things about Ace and Thunder. Folks I genuinely respect swear by them.
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I ride my Thunders pretty loose but my kingpin nuts always come loose. Any way to ride trucks pretty loose w/o the nut coming off? Would super glue work a la Nestor Judkins.
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Trim down your bushings. If you don't want to, get bushings for low trucks.
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It's a matter of preference. I've always ridden indys and see no point in fixing something that isn't broken. I hear good things about Ace and Thunder. Folks I genuinely respect swear by them.
Indy is right between the two.....
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I ride my Thunders pretty loose but my kingpin nuts always come loose. Any way to ride trucks pretty loose w/o the nut coming off? Would super glue work a la Nestor Judkins.
Lock-tite.
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I ride my Thunders pretty loose but my kingpin nuts always come loose. Any way to ride trucks pretty loose w/o the nut coming off? Would super glue work a la Nestor Judkins.
If you do loctite then do the 'blue' weaker strength one if possible. Whether you use blue or red do it sparingly. A tiny drop of super glue will work in a pinch, it's not much different.
An alternative to loctite is Teflon tape on the kingpin threads. This should help secure it but still allow for on the fly adjustment.
You can also go to a hardware store and look for thinner 9/16 locking nuts (or grind the bottom of the standard nuts enough to allow the kingpin bolt to reach the locking threads on the nut).
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Got a pair of Indy Hollow, the Reynolds kind, after 2 years of skating Thunders. Took some time to adjust, but honestly they feel so good.
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wasn't there a dude on here who claimed mini-logo trucks were the best trucks he's skated in decades? where he at? i remember he had a pretty convincing argument before i remembered we were talking about mini-logo trucks.
ps: krux totally work as a bottle opener, we use them at work all the time when people can't find theirs
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wasn't there a dude on here who claimed mini-logo trucks were the best trucks he's skated in decades? where he at? i remember he had a pretty convincing argument before i remembered we were talking about mini-logo trucks.
ps: krux totally work as a bottle opener, we use them at work all the time when people can't find theirs
i think his name was bobby the brain heenan. i usedta do the krux trick back in the 90s.
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
139/147 = 8"
149 = 8.5"
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wasn't there a dude on here who claimed mini-logo trucks were the best trucks he's skated in decades? where he at? i remember he had a pretty convincing argument before i remembered we were talking about mini-logo trucks.
ps: krux totally work as a bottle opener, we use them at work all the time when people can't find theirs
Jbones i think it was
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
Oh, about 10mm...
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
139/147 = 8"
149 = 8.5"
yes but aren't they taller too?
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
139/147 = 8"
149 = 8.5"
Indy highs are taller than thunder highs, its very noticeable. Thunders turn 2 quick and any true Indy lover can't stand Thunders lightweight and hair trigger.
Thunder trecently made a new 149, of all trucks they remake a 149er!!?????? Apparently it's a few mm higher, no visual differences.
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Before I skated Tracker, Venture, Tensor, Orion, Indy, Royal even Pacer trucks way back when...
But, I have just skated Thunder Hi's for 10 years or so.
1st problem I had with a kingpin snapping on their Titanium super-lights, I posted on here to see if I could find a way to get the kingpin out as it wouldn't budge...
A Deluxe rep (Nate) read about it here and contacted me and distribution in HK and hooked me up with a set.
I love the trucks and Deluxe boards too, but for me this whole interaction with Deluxe made me want to buy their products more.
Their products are great and they back it up.
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
139/147 = 8"
149 = 8.5"
Only really depends on the stage, new standards are 55mm i think, reynolds hollows are 53.5 from what i saw on the NHS site
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whats the difference between 139 and 149s?
139/147 = 8"
149 = 8.5"
Only really depends on the stage, new standards are 55mm i think, reynolds hollows are 53.5 from what i saw on the NHS site
reynolds stage 11s are 55, the 10's are 53.5. stage 11 kostons are 53.5 though. only difference between reynolds and kostons forged is the thinner baseplate on the kostons
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Do Thunders give you a longer wheelbase than Indys? I know Ventures do. I've been on Indys for some time now and I'd really like to try something else, but I don't really want to lengthen my wheelbase.
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First pic is indy stage 11 149 hi's
Second pic is Thunder hollow light 149 hi's. The first version not the newest ones.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/tvogelin/Skateboard/IMG_8093rs_zpsd5565487.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/tvogelin/media/Skateboard/IMG_8093rs_zpsd5565487.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d115/tvogelin/Skateboard/IMG_8113rs_zpsf9cd84a5.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/tvogelin/media/Skateboard/IMG_8113rs_zpsf9cd84a5.jpg.html)
Do Thunders give you a longer wheelbase than Indys? I know Ventures do. I've been on Indys for some time now and I'd really like to try something else, but I don't really want to lengthen my wheelbase.
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wasn't there a dude on here who claimed mini-logo trucks were the best trucks he's skated in decades? where he at? i remember he had a pretty convincing argument before i remembered we were talking about mini-logo trucks.
ps: krux totally work as a bottle opener, we use them at work all the time when people can't find theirs
Jbones i think it was
I got a set, they weren't bad at all. Felt like an indy low. I stick with theeve though, due to their oval yoke technology.
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First pic is indy stage 11 149 hi's
Second pic is Thunder hollow light 149 hi's. The first version not the newest ones.
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Do Thunders give you a longer wheelbase than Indys? I know Ventures do. I've been on Indys for some time now and I'd really like to try something else, but I don't really want to lengthen my wheelbase.
Thanks for doing that man!
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No problem!!
I actually already had the pics because I tried to document measurable differences between 4 different sets of trucks.
Those two, theeve tiax 5.85 v3's, and venture 5.85 highs.
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First pic is indy stage 11 149 hi's
Second pic is Thunder hollow light 149 hi's. The first version not the newest ones.
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Do Thunders give you a longer wheelbase than Indys? I know Ventures do. I've been on Indys for some time now and I'd really like to try something else, but I don't really want to lengthen my wheelbase.
Thanks for doing that man!
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The new Thunder 149s will not give a longer wheelbase than Indy stage 11s.
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check out ace. The best turn out there.
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I ride indy... they work with you, or they work with me. Especially for smith grinds, they sort of know I want to pop out where as thunders stay down and i fall off the curb.
I like the way they turn and i ride em as loose as I can, but with thunders at a medium loose they keep on turning right into wheel bite. Indy again just seems to turn with me. They don't over turn! and the board does not wobble and not turn at all like with destructo.
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which is better thunder high or indy lo?
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which is better thunder high or indy lo?
Indy lows with risers. Thunder highs are too squirelly
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I ride indy... they work with you, or they work with me. Especially for smith grinds, they sort of know I want to pop out where as thunders stay down and i fall off the curb.
i've got royal trux right now but they work w/ me too. like if i'm in a tailslide i shout 'to fakie' and my trucks deliver me from the ledge going backwards. they know when i want to nollie and when i want to be left alone. they really are the perfect trucks.