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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Tear Up a Trick on June 30, 2022, 06:27:36 AM
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I often read the phrase "I like his trick selection" or "that skater has good trick selection."
What is bad trick selection?
Is it:
1) "of course he was going to that trick at the end of that line, how boring"?
2) "I hate that trick anyway so anyone who selects to do that trick is making a bad trick selection"
3) illegal tricks? (seems like different topic)
4) a trick that doesn't "go with" the previous / next trick, or that is incongruous with the line or spot or even skater?
5) somethin' else?
Please elucidate, and if possible please link examples from specific video parts that show a bad trick selection, thanks
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crook nollie flip is the flatground kickflip of pro video parts.
much rather watch a 50-50 on a wacky obstacle.
also just style in general matters, so a whole part of objectively hard/good tricks could be ass if your style is whack.
see below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdLCXcbjCPo
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predictable tricks in a video parts are almost on par with gross circus tricks as far as entertainment value for me
almost
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfbGx9Zd9ig
I like Stevie but the line at 1:07 stood out as way too basic for him, looks like he wanted to go for a 4th trick in the line
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As hard as the shit is he does, I just can't stand the tricks Jaime Mateu is doing
Jaime Mateu - "Volare" video part - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgcV4aIk-AU)
Especially the slob plant to fakie on the picknick table is horrendous. The white trucks / red wheels don't help either
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KxTEvV--o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KxTEvV--o)
On a different note: Is the dolphin flip Cody Mac does in the opening line of his Smoke&Mirrors part considered a violation?
Also the BS nosegrind nollie 360 shuv in this part is blatant!
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As hard as the shit is he does, I just can't stand the tricks Jaime Mateu is doing
Jaime Mateu - "Volare" video part - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgcV4aIk-AU)
Especially the slob plant to fakie on the picknick table is horrendous. The white trucks / red wheels don't help either
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KxTEvV--o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1KxTEvV--o)
On a different note: Is the dolphin flip Cody Mac does in the opening line of his Smoke&Mirrors part considered a violation?
Also the BS nosegrind nollie 360 shuv in this part is blatant!
Anything involving Cody Mac is a violation.
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I’d rather watch a part of circus tricks than a part with the basic cool tricks over and over that have been done 1000 times by 1000 dudes on 1000 spots.
Skateboarding should be about doing creative shit on absurd obstacles imo and not about who can do the cleanest kf backtail on a basic ledge. If you wanna stand out doing basic stuff super clean you better be insanely stylish with great filming and a epic song. But then the skating itself is only like 1/3 of the magic.
It also becomes some Olympic ice skating jockery and has nothing to do with the spirit of doing whatever you want on your board, see skatepark kids and contest skater…
On a final note: Spot selection is as important as trick selection.
Also I like Cody mcentire. Prefer him over dudes like prod who do the same shit their whole career. These dudes have no soul and might aswell be soccer players.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn0DVSn96I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
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I’d rather watch a part of circus tricks than a part with the basic cool tricks over and over that have been done 1000 times by 1000 dudes on 1000 spots.
You can execute circus tricks in a cool and soulful way such as Donovan Rice or John Morgan. But if you use them as a crutch it gets problematic.
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I’d rather watch a part of circus tricks than a part with the basic cool tricks over and over that have been done 1000 times by 1000 dudes on 1000 spots.
You can execute circus tricks in a cool and soulful way such as Donovan Rice or John Morgan. But if you use them as a crutch it gets problematic.
Agree.
Best way to use circus tricks is to do a good looking one as a surprise between some more basic stuff. Tricks should be aesthetically pleasing of course. 360 hardflips for example is a tricks that’s circus AND ugly. Dolphin flips on the other hand I find pleasing.
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John Morgan.
Seaside John?
He makes the wackiest shit look really good.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn0DVSn96I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
Huge Guy fan, but he had some gross ass clips in Pretty Sweet.
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i would say if you just look at the tricks that penny, reynolds, gino do, you are in the realm of good trick selection. as much as i love darkslides and front willys when done by the right people, that is not what I would consider good trick selection. most pros could not make those tricks look good.
It is also a bit of preference - i really like people who have regular heelflips and double flips as part of their arsenal cause i really like doing tohse tricks for example. so i will say "love that guys trick selection" in those instances too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn0DVSn96I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
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Pretty Sweet was like the pinnacle of the "NBD Ender" era. so mcuh emphasis put onto getting these never before seen tricks etc especially in those later TWS vids. it just got silly after awhile. a lot of those tricks were gross. i dont know if hardflip back noseblunt can ever look good...
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I’d rather watch a part of circus tricks than a part with the basic cool tricks over and over that have been done 1000 times by 1000 dudes on 1000 spots.
You can execute circus tricks in a cool and soulful way such as Donovan Rice or John Morgan. But if you use them as a crutch it gets problematic.
Agree.
Best way to use circus tricks is to do a good looking one as a surprise between some more basic stuff. Tricks should be aesthetically pleasing of course. 360 hardflips for example is a tricks that’s circus AND ugly. Dolphin flips on the other hand I find pleasing.
CJ Tamborino made the worst tricks, in theory, look so fucking fun
RIP
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn0DVSn96I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
(https://media.giphy.com/media/abDVMtS3vgLqRVlVIV/giphy.gif)
Pretty Sweet was like the pinnacle of the "NBD Ender" era. so mcuh emphasis put onto getting these never before seen tricks etc especially in those later TWS vids. it just got silly after awhile. a lot of those tricks were gross. i dont know if hardflip back noseblunt can ever look good...
https://youtu.be/g3j9muCo4o0
I think Mariano just had to get it out his system right after pretty sweet he toned it down a fair bit https://youtu.be/REu6JsHKpB4 part starts at 1:50
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This whole part is disgusting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk68G4GXN-k
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Re: the Cody Mcintire line above, the dolphin flip is way more interesting than the kickflip on flat, do you disagree?
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Without these lipslides on ledges the part would be good imo. Idk why he does them all the time. Can’t stand them :P
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Anytime a dolphin, pineapple, kiwi, feather etc flip is recorded god kills a kitten.
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idk i think its like that dumb joke…
trick selection is like pizza- when its good its great and when its bad its still alright
meaning when someone has good trick selection it stands out, but not having good trick selection is different from having actively bad trick selection (and i think thats rare)
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i think the hip tricks beginning at 2:22 are examples of tricks that should be terrible but ended up looking good. cory was good at that. could also be nostalgia talkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaMcaeLN74
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I’d rather watch a part of circus tricks than a part with the basic cool tricks over and over that have been done 1000 times by 1000 dudes on 1000 spots.
this right here
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
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That nosegrab over the rail in the line (1:07) was questionable
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Van Wastell is an example of an unusual trick selection merging with a skater's style and it all just working out. Some skaters can do varial flips and some can't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwQV3oJhzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3S1mH_7Do&t=208s
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For starters... if an unusual trick is caught, it can look good. If they just land on the board it usually looks disgusting.
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Stephen Lawyer has ruined many otherwise great clips by throwing in a body varial out. Still like him though
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Jeffwong Song
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This whole part is disgusting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk68G4GXN-k
That’s just a rough era in general aesthetically. Slightly slim fitting stretch denim jeans with baggy t-shirts and shoes that are somewhat puffy by today’s standards with goofy argyle patterns on them . Non-silver, sometimes neon colored trucks. Lazerflips. Grizzly grip.
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Van Wastell is an example of an unusual trick selection merging with a skater's style and it all just working out. Some skaters can do varian flips and some can't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwQV3oJhzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3S1mH_7Do&t=208s
I maintain to this day Van influenced the modern use of body varials and 50-50 BS 180 out.
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I often read the phrase "I like his trick selection" or "that skater has good trick selection."
What is bad trick selection?
Is it:
1) "of course he was going to that trick at the end of that line, how boring"?
2) "I hate that trick anyway so anyone who selects to do that trick is making a bad trick selection"
3) illegal tricks? (seems like different topic)
4) a trick that doesn't "go with" the previous / next trick, or that is incongruous with the line or spot or even skater?
5) somethin' else?
Please elucidate, and if possible please link examples from specific video parts that show a bad trick selection, thanks
The fuck is an “illegal trick”?
And why would you want to watch a bad video part? That sounds unusually depressing.
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Gonna get kooked to all holy hell but i gotta be me . Chris mango milic is bad trick selection to me.
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Gonna get kooked to all holy hell but i gotta be me . Chris mango milic is bad trick selection to me.
Are you saying a person, as a whole, is a bad trick selection? Or are you saying that said person has a bad trick selection?
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People also complain about fashion in relation to trick selection ;D
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It's doing ugly looking tricks or doing tricks you can't make look good. Like, Marc Johnson can do illegal tricks but most of the time they look good. It can also be doing overly technical tricks with no regards to whether they look good on film. Mike Carroll can pressure flip from a bump over a picnic table and everyone will be hyped cuz it looked amazing. 99.9 percent skaters try a pressure flip it looks ugly. So, bad trick selection is doing bad looking tricks. Sometimes because in general they are ugly tricks and you can't make them look good (laser flips) other times its doing regular tricks but doing them too slow, rocket and/or without enough pop.
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An important part of trick selection is actually having a bag of tricks to select from. As mentioned having good style is also very important but there's so many with good style who only do the same twenty tricks constantly being praised for their trick selection who I don't think deserve it. There's guys like Chris Cole, ishod who can literally do every trick and usually know when to pull something weird out. MJ's maybe best example with late flips, laser flips etc. lucas too first and last tricks in this clip would be a joke if anyone else did them https://youtu.be/qG93vLuHYUU
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Sometimes an unusual spot screams out for a trick, combo and/or approach and seeing someone execute it is immensely satisfying. It scratches a 'that was correct' itch and makes whatever they did feel obvious in retrospect. On the other hand, sometimes a skater will contradict the obvious approach with something unexpected and that creates a pleasurable dissonance. People with good trick selection instinctively know when to do one and when to do the other.
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anything joey brezinski did
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An important part of trick selection is actually having a bag of tricks to select from. As mentioned having good style is also very important but there's so many with good style who only do the same twenty tricks constantly being praised for their trick selection who I don't think deserve it. There's guys like Chris Cole, ishod who can literally do every trick and usually know when to pull something weird out. MJ's maybe best example with late flips, laser flips etc. lucas too first and last tricks in this clip would be a joke if anyone else did them https://youtu.be/qG93vLuHYUU
I don't think having a limited bag of tricks kills it, as long as those tricks are done super clean/proper. Huf comes to mind for this. Yes, he had a limited bag, but no one else was doing them with as much pop at the time. I'm sure he had other tricks in his bag, but if they didn't match the aesthetic of his skating because he couldn't pop them or keep them as clean it would detract from his parts. But, it's best to keep those parts on the shorter side, and pick the best of what you have doing your staples.
It's also how much this runs alongside great spot selection for said tricks.
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Van Wastell is an example of an unusual trick selection merging with a skater's style and it all just working out. Some skaters can do varian flips and some can't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwQV3oJhzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u3S1mH_7Do&t=208s
I maintain to this day Van influenced the modern use of body varials and 50-50 BS 180 out.
Front 5050 back 180 is about my only ledge trick and I do it specifically because of Van.
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Gonna get kooked to all holy hell but i gotta be me . Chris mango milic is bad trick selection to me.
Are you saying a person, as a whole, is a bad trick selection? Or are you saying that said person has a bad trick selection?
You're fuckin silly
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Once I drop my part I'll come back and link it as a prime example
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn0DVSn96I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
(https://media.giphy.com/media/abDVMtS3vgLqRVlVIV/giphy.gif)
Pretty Sweet was like the pinnacle of the "NBD Ender" era. so mcuh emphasis put onto getting these never before seen tricks etc especially in those later TWS vids. it just got silly after awhile. a lot of those tricks were gross. i dont know if hardflip back noseblunt can ever look good...
I think Mariano just had to get it out his system right after pretty sweet he toned it down a fair bit https://youtu.be/REu6JsHKpB4 part starts at 1:50
Can’t hate on guy obviously. But his 2 to 3 trick guest nbds in the early 90’s (pack of lies, virtual reality and new world order) videos were fucking magical and untouchable … those clips could never be criticized replicated or outdone IMO..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn0DVSn96I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygURlhMWYt4
(https://media.giphy.com/media/abDVMtS3vgLqRVlVIV/giphy.gif)
Pretty Sweet was like the pinnacle of the "NBD Ender" era. so mcuh emphasis put onto getting these never before seen tricks etc especially in those later TWS vids. it just got silly after awhile. a lot of those tricks were gross. i dont know if hardflip back noseblunt can ever look good...
I think Mariano just had to get it out his system right after pretty sweet he toned it down a fair bit https://youtu.be/REu6JsHKpB4 part starts at 1:50
Can’t hate on guy obviously. But his 2 to 3 trick guest nbds in the early 90’s (pack of lies, virtual reality and new world order) videos were fucking magical and untouchable … those clips could never be criticized replicated or outdone IMO..
I can see that, yeah. I didn't grow up in that era but as a skate nerd, it makes sense; the epitome of less is more. It's almost as if someone told him that he reached such a high level that he could tone it down and put out sporadic footage to enhance his mystique, and thus his appeal. Maybe Rodney. Maybe that's what Rodney whispered in Antwuan's ear as well. I've already said too much.
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Gonna get kooked to all holy hell but i gotta be me . Chris mango milic is bad trick selection to me.
Are you saying a person, as a whole, is a bad trick selection? Or are you saying that said person has a bad trick selection?
You're fuckin silly
I know, that post was terrible, an attempt at being annoying for the purpose of making only myself laugh, so yeah, it was fucking silly, immature and stupid for sure, no joke, being serious
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Gonna get kooked to all holy hell but i gotta be me . Chris mango milic is bad trick selection to me.
Are you saying a person, as a whole, is a bad trick selection? Or are you saying that said person has a bad trick selection?
You're fuckin silly
I know, that post was terrible, an attempt at being annoying for the purpose of making only myself laugh, so yeah, it was fucking silly, immature and stupid for sure, no joke, being serious
Yeah i know dude i was picking up what you were putting down no worries
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It's doing ugly looking tricks or doing tricks you can't make look good. Like, Marc Johnson can do illegal tricks but most of the time they look good. It can also be doing overly technical tricks with no regards to whether they look good on film. Mike Carroll can pressure flip from a bump over a picnic table and everyone will be hyped cuz it looked amazing. 99.9 percent skaters try a pressure flip it looks ugly. So, bad trick selection is doing bad looking tricks. Sometimes because in general they are ugly tricks and you can't make them look good (laser flips) other times its doing regular tricks but doing them too slow, rocket and/or without enough pop.
MJ yeah right
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An important part of trick selection is actually having a bag of tricks to select from. As mentioned having good style is also very important but there's so many with good style who only do the same twenty tricks constantly being praised for their trick selection who I don't think deserve it. There's guys like Chris Cole, ishod who can literally do every trick and usually know when to pull something weird out. MJ's maybe best example with late flips, laser flips etc. lucas too first and last tricks in this clip would be a joke if anyone else did them https://youtu.be/qG93vLuHYUU
I love watching lucas puig footage. It’s always such a feel good edit and it looks like Lucas lives the most awesome life, a life to envy..