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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Kanye Omari West on September 13, 2021, 09:46:04 AM
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Basically posted a IG story exposing Jovantae (his current neighbor) of beating his wife in front of their kids on more than one occasion and even him trying to fight Liz. Shit sounds messy. I'm backing him on calling the law.
(https://i.ibb.co/hWdFgng/Screenshot-20210913-123831-Instagram.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hWdFgng)
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Here we go... shits fucked if true.
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Yikes
If true JT is a dirtbag
LK doing himself no favors posting that. As if JT isn't gonna hear about it and come knocking on his door
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what the hell
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Man, all these OG's...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1PyzEVPdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU1PyzEVPdg)
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Was just abt to post this, shit is fucked if true
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
You think they know he beats his wife ?
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Yikes. If true, man, screw JT. Fuck domestic violence.
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
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never did i ever think that Mike Plumb would be the logical one in any situation
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Yikes
If true JT is a dirtbag
LK doing himself no favors posting that. As if JT isn't gonna hear about it and come knocking on his door
pretty sure he is aware of that
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
when he realized life lasts a lot longer than youth
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
I thought it was HUF that hooked up dirtbags. I've never met LK or JT, but this is a weird story.
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This is gonna be interesting.
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jovontae "ike" turner
beating a woman when you're a man is generally a sign that your brain is as big as a green pea
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jovante "ike" turner
damn
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Yikes
If true JT is a dirtbag
LK doing himself no favors posting that. As if JT isn't gonna hear about it and come knocking on his door
pretty sure he is aware of that
Lol yeah I know dumbass
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
Probably when he first learned he was gonna have a kid. It’s crazy (in an amazing way) what becoming a parent does to some people.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
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(https://78.media.tumblr.com/0f8516844d17269fc88755d44f0c5873/tumblr_n2yct9Cbih1s2vfndo1_400.gif)
But for real, sounds pretty fucked up
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Willy Santos? Can’t say I’ve ever heard anything bad about him.
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Willy Santos? Can’t say I’ve ever heard anything bad about him.
He would take food from Jeremy Klein.......
Nah you win
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
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Nah fuck that
Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue
Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
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Could you imagine living in a house between those two? It would be a sitcom styled hell.
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
skating on acid - no longer tight
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Willy Santos? Can’t say I’ve ever heard anything bad about him.
He would take food from Jeremy Klein.......
Nah you win
That would make me like him way more, Klein is a prick to everyone
Also this is super messy but it's better to be messy than to let someone get abused in silence
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jovontae "ike" turner
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Nah fuck that
Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue
Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
Yea, I'm no fan of all the nonsense back and forth on social media. I don't have any accounts anymore unless you count this and youtube. The thought of this between LK and JT just seems like some sort of twilight zone situation.
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Not saying he’s lying, but it’s wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
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Not saying he’s lying, but it’s wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
Lizard told me about this a few years ago. Wonder why he’s coming out with it now?
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I have no idea what is going on here, but this seems like a rad shared part. No domestic violence involved.
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Not saying he’s lying, but it’s wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
Lizard told me about this a few years ago. Wonder why he’s coming out with it now?
You're saying Lizard knew this domestic issue was happening years back and he told you? That sounds way more credible.
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Not saying he’s lying, but it’s wild to immediately take something Lizard King says at face value.
Lizard told me about this a few years ago. Wonder why he’s coming out with it now?
You're saying Lizard knew this domestic issue was happening years back and he told you? That sounds way more credible.
100% true.
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jovontae "ike" turner
http://youtu.be/Gcm-tOGiva0
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
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Never met him myself but I have friends who have and always said Lizard King was a nice, down to earth guy who introduces himself as Mike and didn't play up the Lizard King shit in real life
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, that’s a looong time ago.
Also - I’ve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think he’s natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. He’s just a skate rat and I love that.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
Being an annoying dick might not make you a decent person but thats not like being a wife beater
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Never met him myself but I have friends who have and always said Lizard King was a nice, down to earth guy who introduces himself as Mike and didn't play up the Lizard King shit in real life
I've met lizard and nuge a few times both with and without friends who already knew them when I've been out in LA and honestly they were some of the nicest down to earth pleasant dudes. Buying people rounds, inviting others to play pool with them, chatting it up about skateboarding or anything else that wasn't skateboarding. Not saying that determines anything in this situation between him and Jovantae, more just echoing Jackal's statement.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
I mean, most of the EMB kids were cliquey teenagers often lacking parental supervision. Even Karl would acknowledge that, but that's adolescent shit. I can't think of any bad stories about Daewon, Daniel Castillo, or even Rick Howard (unless you want to put the sins of people he's associated with on him). At the end of the day, like 90% of people who get put on a pedestal as a teenager with some level of fame are likely to have incidents where they come across as an asshole, or in some cases are just permanent assholes. It seems JT has carried this into his 40's if this story is accurate, which is shitty.
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Willy Santos? Can’t say I’ve ever heard anything bad about him.
He charged everyone $10 to attend his 21st birthday party.
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Never met him myself but I have friends who have and always said Lizard King was a nice, down to earth guy who introduces himself as Mike and didn't play up the Lizard King shit in real life
I've met lizard and nuge a few times both with and without friends who already knew them when I've been out in LA and honestly they were some of the nicest down to earth pleasant dudes. Buying people rounds, inviting others to play pool with them, chatting it up about skateboarding or anything else that wasn't skateboarding. Not saying that determines anything in this situation between him and Jovantae, more just echoing Jackal's statement.
Definitely agree with the sentiments stated above. These allegations aside, just because someone is/was a wild partier doesn’t mean they aren’t a good person or can’t be trusted.
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TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.
I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!
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TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.
I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!
Welcome to Slap ;D
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TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.
I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!
How else are we supposed to keep ourselves entertained?? Speculation is the best!!!!
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Why would Lizard make an Instagram story poll for this situation?
I mean, other than the fact that insecure people can't do anything without putting it on Instagram for validation.
I guess that was rhetorical.
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
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weird to air that shit on instagram..... just call the cops. the instagram post is a cry for attention. if its criminal..... the cops will deal with it.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, that’s a looong time ago.
Also - I’ve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think he’s natural Passion of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. He’s just a skate rat and I love that.
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I mean, most of the EMB kids were cliquey teenagers often lacking parental supervision. Even Karl would acknowledge that, but that's adolescent shit. I can't think of any bad stories about Daewon, Daniel Castillo, or even Rick Howard (unless you want to put the sins of people he's associated with on him). At the end of the day, like 90% of people who get put on a pedestal as a teenager with some level of fame are likely to have incidents where they come across as an asshole, or in some cases are just permanent assholes. It seems JT has carried this into his 40's if this story is accurate, which is shitty.
https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/08/07/daewon-songs-untold-upbringing/
;)
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I’ve always been a big JT fan. I hope this isn’t true
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Now there's an idea for a thread! I'll let you get it rolling
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Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Willy Santos? Can’t say I’ve ever heard anything bad about him.
He charged everyone $10 to attend his 21st birthday party.
Infidelity on tour just kidding but ….
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
Being an annoying dick might not make you a decent person but thats not like being a wife beater
Obviously not the same, Karl’s a great human being. I’m honestly not sure how his name got into this shit thread anyway.
More just saying nobody’s perfect and don’t believe it if you think they are.
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First Oyola, then Ethan Fowler, and now Jovantae..... 2021 is officially the year where I find out all my 90s skate heroes are total scumbags.
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I’m inclined to believe Lizard because, unless he’s really gone off his rocker, that’s a heavy allegation to lay on somebody without knowing the truth pretty damn well, one way or another. It’s not like Lizard is constantly out there, running his mouth about anyone and everyone.
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First Oyola, then Ethan Fowler, and now Jovantae..... 2021 is officially the year where I find out all my 90s skate heroes are total scumbags.
What did Ethan do?
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First Oyola, then Ethan Fowler, and now Jovantae..... 2021 is officially the year where I find out all my 90s skate heroes are total scumbags.
If it took you til 2020-2021 to really find out Ricky was a piece of shit then idk what to tell you bud lol
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never did i ever think that Mike Plumb would be the logical one in any situation
Is that Nak-el IG post real?
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Worried people will let their bias toward the person who had the much cooler skate career determine how they're viewing this. I think we need to ask ourselves what Lizard King really has to gain. To me, the argument that he's doing it for attention doesn't really hold air. The dude is corny and weird, but certainly wouldn't peg him as that desperate. Betting there is at least a kernel of truth to what he's saying, and their negative encounters just reached a tipping point. This is the best way Lizard, being an idiot, thought to handle it.
This is a terrible thing and none of us should know it's happening. Honestly fuck both of these guys if this is true. Men that never grew up.
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Worried people will let their bias toward the person who had the much cooler skate career determine how they're viewing this. I think we need to ask ourselves what Lizard King really has to gain. To me, the argument that he's doing it for attention doesn't really hold air. The dude is corny and weird, but certainly wouldn't peg him as that desperate. Betting there is at least a kernel of truth to what he's saying, and their negative encounters just reached a tipping point. This is the best way Lizard, being an idiot, thought to handle it.
This is a terrible thing and none of us should know it's happening. Honestly fuck both of these guys if this is true. Men that never grew up.
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
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Racism has entered the chat.
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.
If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
New Balance….try again kook
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.
If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges. Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
You think they know he beats his wife ?
They still will tho given crails history of sweeping shit under the rug because they’re an old homie..
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Maybe lizard doesn’t want to call the cops on a black man? Y’all are acting like JT’s career is still relevant, the only people seeing LZ’s story are industry insiders who probably have more of a personal relationship with JT.
All speculation. This is a bummer thread
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Race aside - if you beat women you are a piece of shit and deserve to be punished to the maximum extent.
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Although I’m sure it might have a tinge of truth, instead of Mike Plumb blasting him on social call dcf and cops sort it out instead attention seeking bs.
Just cause a person sucks attention seeking is even worse, shame on both of them…..
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And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
New Balance….try again kook
Pro-Trump white supremacists have called New Balance sneakers “the official shoes of white people”
It was all over the news.
Kook
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Lakai stays hooking up dirtbags
And probably you are saying this wearing Nike, converse or adidas
New Balance….try again kook
Pro-Trump white supremacists have called New Balance sneakers “the official shoes of white people”
It was all over the news.
Kook
Get bent ya nerd, no one cares what white supremacists think about footwear.
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I mean, I hate to admit this but I've heard stories of Jovante stealing from people for decades. Multiple people, multiple times, blah blah blah. I think the world of his skating but at some point when things start adding up there's some sort of take away.
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.
Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.
If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
To be clear im not saying the accusation could be untrue what im saying is that the reaction is different in the court of public opinion due to racial dynamics where its assumed hes guilty
Thank you for hearing me
We agree word for word on the second paragraph
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Racism has entered the chat.
We are not in a post racial america
I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
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man, super disappointing and fucked if true. and no reason at all thee lizard king had to include “old pro skater javontae turner”. he really could’ve just left it at “neighbor”. dude sucks.
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Jovante sold me some shitty weed once
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They have kids so this is infinitely more messy.
Press charges and leave is basically not an option most of the time.
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
Get the fuck out of here with that race-baiting nonsense. People getting crucified left and right on here regardless of skin color. Nobody gives a fuck if JT is black or not. The allegations are heavy and I’m inclined to believe a sober Lizard who has nothing to gain from this and obviously has multiple incidents to go off.
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If allegations are true, LK did the right thing, sometimes justice system doesn't work properly and the only place you can reach for help is social media
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.
Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?
There's a very real chance that still nothing will change due to the insta post other than making making abuser more angry and putting the victims in a dangerous position. Would have a problem at all with this if the victims had posted/consented to the post.
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.
Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?
There's a very real chance that still nothing will change due to the insta post other than making making abuser more angry and putting the victims in a dangerous position. Would have a problem at all with this if the victims had posted/consented to the post.
It also can stop abuser from any violent actions cause if something will happen everybody will know who did it
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TMZ got nothing on Slap. This forum is supposed to be about skateboarding, and every other week there is a new more crazy story then the last one. Some with clear evidence, other stories where people's careers ends or reputations are for ever destroyed with out any proof.
I am not commenting on this particular story since I don't know what's true. It just amazes me that there is a crazy story about so and so so often. Shit is fucked!
I’ll admit it does seem like skateboarding is becoming quite drama filled as of the last year. However I think more than enough of these idiots have been getting their just deserts for some valid reasons, which wouldn’t happen otherwise.
Posting on social is a definitely a bold move and can carry huge burdens if not true, but it’s sort of a catch 22 really. A lot of the time we’ve seen this stuff spread over social media and what do you know? Fragments of proof, other witnesses and receipts come from all sorts of places. Not saying that this will happen in this exact situation but I just don’t see what else LK is gaining from this.
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In regards to reporting it, he clearly says the cops came and nobody pressed charges.Maybe he called the cops, maybe another neighbor did, who knows. But he claims the authorities were contacted and nothing followed up.
Unfortunately I think that happens more often than we'd like to think, and it's a terrible and complicated thing because families love each other, even when someone is being abusive. It could take years for anything to change or any legal intervention to happen. Still no reason to post it on Instagram. That shit is not tight.
If this has an inkling of truth to it and the woman didn't want to press charges - publicly calling him out is a way to bring light/attention to the situation. Many people in an abusive relationships won't act and/or do anything until the bad gets worse (e.g. severe physical abuse - worse, death even). And even then, there are those that still won't do anything for fear of making the abuser even more angry.
Going back to KA as an example, how many times do you think he abused that woman who called him out before she finally broke it off with him?
There's a very real chance that still nothing will change due to the insta post other than making making abuser more angry and putting the victims in a dangerous position. Would have a problem at all with this if the victims had posted/consented to the post.
It also can stop abuser from any violent actions cause if something will happen everybody will know who did it
If JT is engaging in this type of behavior, the posts help establish a timeline and pattern of behavior. If this is real and the cops have showed up and done nothing, then nothing will probably change until someone gets hurt. By then, at least the posts will prove that it’s not an isolated incident.
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We are not in a post racial america
I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. I was stoned in bed and thought I was funny. I tried to think of a counter-example, but the closest I got was Ethan Fowler after that Palace ad.
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We are not in a post racial america
I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
you got kook'd for suggesting everyone here would be on his side if he was white
when in reality slap has cancelled tons of white skaters for being shitty people
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
Probably when he first learned he was gonna have a kid. It’s crazy (in an amazing way) what becoming a parent does to some people.
It’s even crazier how it does nothing to others. My first born saved my life!
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Racism has entered the chat.
We are not in a post racial america
I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
you got kook'd for suggesting everyone here would be on his side if he was white
when in reality slap has cancelled tons of white skaters for being shitty people
Marinate on that for a little while
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Does anyone have the video? Is it lizard just talking or actually footage of said incident? Sorry I’m late to the dance here
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It was just a post/poll on his story.
Also, for what it’s worth, I was at work when I made my post, and went back and edited in “*alleged*”, but my service is shitty there and apparently it didn’t take.
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
Get the fuck out of here with that race-baiting nonsense. People getting crucified left and right on here regardless of skin color. Nobody gives a fuck if JT is black or not. The allegations are heavy and I’m inclined to believe a sober Lizard who has nothing to gain from this and obviously has multiple incidents to go off.
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Imagine telling someone 5 years ago that LK would be getting JT cancelled.
Don't agree with airing it out on social. But my first thought was "when did Liz get all responsible like"
Probably when he first learned he was gonna have a kid. It’s crazy (in an amazing way) what becoming a parent does to some people.
It’s even crazier how it does nothing to others. My first born saved my life!
Why I said “some.” But hey, I’m glad your kid saved your life. Sounds like that kid has someone down for them for life.
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Of course it’s true. Don’t know why there is speculation. What does LK have to gain by sharing this? Why would he bother with it unless it was affecting his life in a uncontrollable negative way?
Unless it’s revealed that he himself is a wife beating, sexual assaulting, neo nazi,Scientologist like every other pro from the 90’s I will have to believe it. For now.
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If it's true I hope JV gets help. I would hope Lizard tried to handle privately and didn't rush to throw this out there. We are all removed from this and don't know what exactly is going down. In todays culture of public shaming/canceling would be way more beneficial if people tried to reach out/help rather than pile on.
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If it's getting rowdy enough that neighbors are aware(happening in the yard) its not private anymore
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If it's true I hope JV gets help. I would hope Lizard tried to handle privately and didn't rush to throw this out there. We are all removed from this and don't know what exactly is going down. In todays culture of public shaming/canceling would be way more beneficial if people tried to reach out/help rather than pile on.
I 100% agree with this sentiment.
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Of course it’s true. Don’t know why there is speculation. What does LK have to gain by sharing this? Why would he bother with it unless it was affecting his life in a uncontrollable negative way?
Unless it’s revealed that he himself is a wife beating, sexual assaulting, neo nazi,Scientologist like every other pro from the 90’s I will have to believe it. For now.
right??? with all the kooky/bummy shit lizard has sure to have done in his tenure in the industry I'm sure he knows when a dude is being more than a shitty loud neighbor that keeps your kids up on friday nights... the with the amount of OG's getting dogged and kook'd these days I think There's an apatite for getting these lames out of the spot light/known to the rest of the community how shitty of people they really are (especially when young kids grow up idolizing these guys Ex. Oyola & Fowler... fuck look at markovich dude is skating better than ever and is a full blown kook) ... I think for the longest time in the industry older pros/dudes with some lame ass views were able to stay relevant and connected to/on the top brands because no consumers actually knew what kooks these dudes were, whjat they were about & stayed supporting them.... Look at DP & 1010 recently lol...
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Its too heavy for instagram polls, thats where im at.
Black men specifically have a history of getting railroaded by white people for crimes they've never committed in this country, the last couple of years should have made people more sensitive to this, I guess it really hasnt tho
White slap favorites wouldnt be guilty til proven innocent like this
I hear this 100%, but still think you need to ask yourself: what does he have to gain. Didnt mention this in my earlier post, but I certainly do think racial bias could be lurking beneath Lizard's outrage at the alleged violence. I don't think that Lizard is so racist that he'd fabricate a story like this out of thin air, but it's not a real big stretch to think that he may have handled it a bit differently if his neighbor looked more like him.
If Lizard cared about JT's family, he wouldn't have aired their dirty laundry publicly. I think that's incredibly fucked up. He could have reported it and respected their privacy.
Some unbelievably corny takes in this thread. Lizards racist now? Give me a fucking break.
This is why people don’t take real race issues seriously. Because you mouthbreathers have to constantly water it down with dumbass shit like this.
If I knew my neighbor was beating his wife and was trying to hurt me, while being respected around the community, I’d gladly call that shit out too. It sounds like his wife needs help, not ignoring because we wouldn’t want to “air anybody’s dirty laundry”. Beating women is way more than dirty laundry.
Enjoy your stupid white guilt.
Kook away kooks
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Of course it’s true. Don’t know why there is speculation. What does LK have to gain by sharing this? Why would he bother with it unless it was affecting his life in a uncontrollable negative way?
Unless it’s revealed that he himself is a wife beating, sexual assaulting, neo nazi,Scientologist like every other pro from the 90’s I will have to believe it. For now.
right??? with all the kooky/bummy shit lizard has sure to have done in his tenure in the industry I'm sure he knows when a dude is being more than a shitty loud neighbor that keeps your kids up on friday nights... the with the amount of OG's getting dogged and kook'd these days I think There's an apatite for getting these lames out of the spot light/known to the rest of the community how shitty of people they really are (especially when young kids grow up idolizing these guys Ex. Oyola & Fowler... fuck look at markovich dude is skating better than ever and is a full blown kook) ... I think for the longest time in the industry older pros/dudes with some lame ass views were able to stay relevant and connected to/on the top brands because no consumers actually knew what kooks these dudes were, whjat they were about & stayed supporting them.... Look at DP & 1010 recently lol...
Yes, exactly in the 90’s there was no social media and cameras in everyone’s pockets so a lot stuff never saw the light of day. But now these options are here and make it easy so people are getting called out, as they mostly should be.
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too. It's almost as common as drug abuse these days. Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time. Not saying JT is guilty, but if he is, fuck him !!
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It was just a post/poll on his story.
Also, for what it’s worth, I was at work when I made my post, and went back and edited in “*alleged*”, but my service is shitty there and apparently it didn’t take.
"Oh my god guys he is such an *alleged*” garbage person"
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too. It's almost as common as drug abuse these days. Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time. Not saying JT is guilty, but if he is, fuck him !!
Cop on the bloards???
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too. It's almost as common as drug abuse these days. Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time. Not saying JT is guilty, but if he is, fuck him !!
Cop on the bloards???
Lol...Medic.... I only help people!!!
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Racism has entered the chat.
We are not in a post racial america
I got kooked 8 times for suggesting a black man should recieve the same benefit of the doubt anyone else would, let that marinate.
you got kook'd for suggesting everyone here would be on his side if he was white
when in reality slap has cancelled tons of white skaters for being shitty people
no dude he is a victim because people lowered his slap rep
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too. It's almost as common as drug abuse these days. Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time. Not saying JT is guilty, but if he is, fuck him !!
Cop on the bloards???
Lol...Medic.... I only help people!!!
No worries, i thought the Canadian bacon handle was an impulse to tell on yourself haha
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Obviously jovantae unless lizard king shows up with the ring of the eye of the Mormon
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Isn’t the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesn’t result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?
It’s not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LK’s story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, that’s a looong time ago.
Also - I’ve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think he’s natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. He’s just a skate rat and I love that.
hes only 36 homey lol
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Isn’t the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesn’t result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?
It’s not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LK’s story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, that’s a looong time ago.
Also - I’ve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think he’s natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. He’s just a skate rat and I love that.
hes only 36 homey lol
They were talking about Karl being in his mid 40s.
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As a first responder, I see domestic violence against women more than I want too. It's almost as common as drug abuse these days. Unfortunately the majority of victims stay with the abuser because he's a "good guy" 90 percent of the time. Not saying JT is guilty, but if he is, fuck him !!
Cop on the bloards???
Lol...Medic.... I only help people!!!
No worries, i thought the Canadian bacon handle was an impulse to tell on yourself haha
Lol I actually had the same thought about my username as soon as you asked !!!!
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Isn’t the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesn’t result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?
It’s not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LK’s story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.
Wish I could gnar you.
My aunt was a victim of this shit.
Cops were called on their trailer plenty of times for loud arguments, throwing shit, etc. She didn't want to press charges so the cops left. If there's no sign of PHYSICAL damage or injuries, they can't legally do shit.
My mom and her sisters reasoned with her to leave. She didn't want to. She was trying to save the family. And probably trying to not make him mad.
While thankfully it wasn't physical abuse, at least I wasn't told it wasn't, there was A LOT of psychological and emotional abuse. And most importantly, thankfully, she finally got out of that mess.
As far as putting it on social, I think it helps bring light to the situation. As in my aunt's case, they lived in a fucking trailer park. People live close to one another. People heard it. People probably saw it. And luckily enough, one person, though they didn't come forward, cared enough to call the cops every so often.
So can you imagine, in the case of JT, how many of their apartment neighbors turned a blind eye/deaf ear to it before LK put it on blast?
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Isn’t the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesn’t result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?
It’s not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LK’s story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.
Wish I could gnar you.
My aunt was a victim of this shit.
Cops were called on their trailer plenty of times for loud arguments, throwing shit, etc. She didn't want to press charges so the cops left. If there's no sign of PHYSICAL damage or injuries, they can't legally do shit.
My mom and her sisters reasoned with her to leave. She didn't want to. She was trying to save the family. And probably trying to not make him mad.
While thankfully it wasn't physical abuse, at least I wasn't told it wasn't, there was A LOT of psychological and emotional abuse. And most importantly, thankfully, she finally got out of that mess.
As far as putting it on social, I think it helps bring light to the situation. As in my aunt's case, they lived in a fucking trailer park. People live close to one another. People heard it. People probably saw it. And luckily enough, one person, though they didn't come forward, cared enough to call the cops every so often.
So can you imagine, in the case of JT, how many of their apartment neighbors turned a blind eye/deaf ear to it before LK put it on blast?
This is a difficult topic, most difficult when there is dependency, usually of the financial and emotional order...and when the victim doesn't have anywhere or anyone else to go to. It's a shitty situation for all involved.
I'm tired of this World.
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Isn’t the recidivism rate for domestic violence extremely high especially since most of it doesn’t result in any charges let alone mandated counseling or jail time?
It’s not as simple as dude hits wife, gets a therapist, hella nice guy now. It has nothing to do with JT being a former pro, his race, or socioeconomic status: domestic violence pervades across classes and racial lines but has a distinct bias in reporting. Sadly LK’s story is about the best help his wife will get and maybe someone will actually reach out to her directly.
Facts. At the end of the day, unless the victim seeks help willingly, nothing will come of interventions. This is unfortunately how some women meet their deaths at the hands of their significant other. Too blinded by love, helplessness, or brainwashed into the routine of abuse.
Wish I could gnar you.
My aunt was a victim of this shit.
Cops were called on their trailer plenty of times for loud arguments, throwing shit, etc. She didn't want to press charges so the cops left. If there's no sign of PHYSICAL damage or injuries, they can't legally do shit.
My mom and her sisters reasoned with her to leave. She didn't want to. She was trying to save the family. And probably trying to not make him mad.
While thankfully it wasn't physical abuse, at least I wasn't told it wasn't, there was A LOT of psychological and emotional abuse. And most importantly, thankfully, she finally got out of that mess.
As far as putting it on social, I think it helps bring light to the situation. As in my aunt's case, they lived in a fucking trailer park. People live close to one another. People heard it. People probably saw it. And luckily enough, one person, though they didn't come forward, cared enough to call the cops every so often.
So can you imagine, in the case of JT, how many of their apartment neighbors turned a blind eye/deaf ear to it before LK put it on blast?
Good points from all those who are quoted. I still think Lk's idea to post could put dangerous pressure on the alleged abuser (they don't usually handle that well), and doesn't consider the victim's agency or privacy, but it could also absolutely be the push some folks need to offer support or do something about it. Imo best way to create documentation is to continue to report it to the appropriate authorities. Edit: I'm speaking as a mandated reporter who has experience in similar situations and could not imagine sharing certain information with anyone who isn't guaranteed to use that information carefully, respectfully, and with the purpose of supporting the victims (so, the opposite of posting a public, screenshot-able Instagram post to an account with a large following). Think of how it could tear a family apart or otherwise exacerbate the situation without any legal ground being gained...
I will say, however, that while domestic abuse is pervasive across race and class lines, an abuser's race and SES (without a doubt) affect how their actions are perceived by the public at large. Also, specifically here, the fact that these are both pro skateboarders with impactful careers affects how the situation is perceived by the people involved in this discussion. Biases exist, and it doesn't hurt to acknowledge and be mindful of them in a discussion like this. I do think those things were worthy of at least being considered before we all rushed to make posts either immediately condemning JT (but yeah dude is probably definitely guilty of abuse) or questioning the validity if LK's story based on who is to us here (see page 1-2 of this thread).
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Man this is so crazy. I don't know how many of you are parents but it's hard as hell for me to not freak out when someone puts my kids in harm's way. Thinking that he's tried to fight Lizard while he was holding his daughter is crazy. I mean I've heard stories over the years too but I'd rather not speak on them, other than to say personally, I don't really blame Lizard for trying to do something about it or at least tell someone. Probably not the best way to do it, but now at least people know his point of view in case something really bad happens. I dunno. This whole thing sucks.
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sooo....racist to side with lizard on this one orrr...oh please SLAP tell me what to think pleeeease!
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sooo....racist to side with lizard on this one orrr...oh please SLAP tell me what to think pleeeease!
Lol yeah that does sound like something someone who is a lil racist would say
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sooo....racist to side with lizard on this one orrr...oh please SLAP tell me what to think pleeeease!
Lol yeah that does sound like something someone who is a lil racist would say
Oooh nice, just a little! Sweet
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like you’re doing the very thing you’re preaching against by saying that. “oh we can’t trust what he says happened because he’s not black” fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like you’re doing the very thing you’re preaching against by saying that. “oh we can’t trust what he says happened because he’s not black”fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like you’re doing the very thing you’re preaching against by saying that. “oh we can’t trust what he says happened because he’s not black”fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
That sounds a lil biased.
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Jovantae had the smoother style, and Lizard the more unique style, but over all I think they're both a bit overrated as far as skill goes. As far as the alleged domestic drama, that's none of my business. I'll leave that to the SLAP henhouse to sort out.
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like you’re doing the very thing you’re preaching against by saying that. “oh we can’t trust what he says happened because he’s not black”fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
That sounds a lil biased.
Let me be the first to admit that it is, but before I'm accused of reverse racism, let me remind folks that this is happening in America. We've had a bit of a problem here, you see, and a long term symptom of that problem is that a lot of the white people here (myself included) were raised in a culture permeated by anti black bias of all shades, severities, sizes, what have you. So, excuse me for suggesting it might be the case that LK was feeling extra spicy because of his cultural programming. His Instagram post still reads to me as intentionally airing other people's business without the true intention of support, regardless of any truth in his allegations (which, AGAIN, I am not disputing).
As someone already pointed out, i don't think JT' race and LK's race are the MOST significant factors here, but something to consider nonetheless when you approach a situation like this. If it were considered more, discussed more, if the conversation were normalized, we'd probably be in a much better position to start changing harmful perceptions and even behaviors. We'd have fewer babies crying about "thought control" when we suggest that hey, you might believe some fucked up things despite what your mother says about you. People might also understand it's not their fault, and even better, they can do things about it. We'd understand the difference between a race based bias and being a Nazi, and we wouldn't get our feathers so ruffled when someone mentions it.
Edit: I'd like to add that Lil Ricky knows nothing of style, and is not qualified to speak on it.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, that’s a looong time ago.
Also - I’ve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think he’s natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. He’s just a skate rat and I love that.
yeah he's never seemed like anything but a great dude who likes to have fun. a little bit crazy but I believe him.
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like you’re doing the very thing you’re preaching against by saying that. “oh we can’t trust what he says happened because he’s not black”fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
That sounds a lil biased.
Edit: I'd like to add that Lil Ricky knows nothing of style, and is not qualified to speak on it.
I thought my descriptions of their styles were quite reasonable, thank you.
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so if a white guy reports a black guy committing a crime he is automatically deemed racist and should not be heard? it just kind of seems like you’re doing the very thing you’re preaching against by saying that. “oh we can’t trust what he says happened because he’s not black”fight racism with more racism i guess? fucking stupid.
Please show me where I said or implied this? Some of you guys hear the word "racist" and the alarms start going off all over in your heads because you've never confronted your own bias. For the record, I don't think Lizard King is in the KKK based on the fact that he might have a racial bias as a white man from fucking Utah, and I don't think he's lying. In fact, I already explicitly stated that I don't think he's lying.
That sounds a lil biased.
Let me be the first to admit that it is, but before I'm accused of reverse racism, let me remind folks that this is happening in America. We've had a bit of a problem here, you see, and a long term symptom of that problem is that a lot of the white people here (myself included) were raised in a culture permeated by anti black bias of all shades, severities, sizes, what have you. So, excuse me for suggesting it might be the case that LK was feeling extra spicy because of his cultural programming. His Instagram post still reads to me as intentionally airing other people's business without the true intention of support, regardless of any truth in his allegations (which, AGAIN, I am not disputing).
As someone already pointed out, i don't think JT' race and LK's race are the MOST significant factors here, but something to consider nonetheless when you approach a situation like this. If it were considered more, discussed more, if the conversation were normalized, we'd probably be in a much better position to start changing harmful perceptions and even behaviors. We'd have fewer babies crying about "thought control" when we suggest that hey, you might believe some fucked up things despite what your mother says about you. People might also understand it's not their fault, and even better, they can do things about it. We'd understand the difference between a race based bias and being a Nazi, and we wouldn't get our feathers so ruffled when someone mentions it.
Edit: I'd like to add that Lil Ricky knows nothing of style, and is not qualified to speak on it.
I think you need to take JT’s dickk out ya mouth, ya reverse racist cuck
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This thread is a shit show
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It’s hard to believe someone who spells “wich” wrong
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This thread is a shit show
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Basically posted a IG story exposing Jovantae (his current neighbor) of beating his wife in front of their kids on more than one occasion and even him trying to fight Liz. Shit sounds messy. I'm backing him on calling the law.
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Lizard:" I live to the next door of a old pro skater..." , because Lizard is a younger pro skater instead. Dinosaur King or maybe Fossil King.
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Didn't Rudy fight jovantae on an early girl tour because he stole from him?
Also I've probably never heard a story about a 90s pro that makes them sound like a half decent person
Karl Watson. Your argument is invalid.
That being said, fuck Tae if this is true. Makes me sad, he was a favorite of mine.
There are many stories of Karl being an annoying dick teenager who blossomed into a humble incredible man.
To be fair - most teenagers are dicks at some point, that and the man is probably mid 40s or so, that’s a looong time ago.
Also - I’ve always had a soft spot for Lizard for some reason, I think he’s natural love of skating shines through in his parts / interviews etc. He’s just a skate rat and I love that.
yeah he's never seemed like anything but a great dude who likes to have fun. a little bit crazy but I believe him.
look, karl watson is my 2nd skater favorite of all time, but let's be real - the 90s skate culture was top to bottom chock full of cancelable behaviour. take karl, probably the nicest dude in the game from the era - or any era. his part in the profile promo, literally starts with a shot of a girl getting upskirted. pretty fucking gross...
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Tunrner
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Convenient thread bump with this Gabby Petito shit happening. This shit really happens folks.
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?
Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?
Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
There’s way more nuance to it than just skin color. This is called critical thinking.
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?
Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
There’s way more nuance to it than just skin color. This is called critical thinking.
what’s the nuance then?
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence, but anybody at all accused of sexual assault we automatically have to believe they are guilty?
Not saying I agree or disagree with either of these, just pointing out the inconsistency in Slap logic here.
There’s way more nuance to it than just skin color. This is called critical thinking.
what’s the nuance then?
My point is, race never had anything to do with this and you should shut the fuck up
people literally brought up race in this thread as a factor regarding what we should think of the situation. Did you not read the thread?
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
What? Can you please explain how you believe he’s a racist?
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
What? Can you please explain how you believe he’s a racist?
i dont think hes a racist at all
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
What? Can you please explain how you believe he’s a racist?
i dont think hes a racist at all
I’m starting to think he’s not even a real King.
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
What? Can you please explain how you believe he’s a racist?
i dont think hes a racist at all
I’m starting to think he’s not even a real King.
I doubt he's even a lizard.
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This shit is so whack. Never buying a JT or LK pro model ever again
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence
Nobody in this thread said or even implied that, ever. I'm really sorry, but people that come through with "hot takes" like yours and this
BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
are why we can't have productive, nuanced conversations about race. Again, I'm sorry you don't understand, but you're not doing yourself any favors charging into situations with your guns blazing without even understanding what's going on. I encourage you to give it a solid reread if it's so important that you have a dig up an old, already shitty thread in an attempt to ruffle feathers.
Edit: sorry, you weren't the one that bumped it. Still...
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From everything I've heard, I'm inclined to believe both allegations (abuse and theft) are true.
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence
Nobody in this thread said or even implied that, ever.
It’s a serious injustice that no one here will presume the innocence of a person until he’s proven guilty.
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Nah, homie on page one came through with that truth:
Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue
Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
Unrelated, but biometricians if you’re reading, please develop a measurement of heart beats per minute before posting and if they exceed an arbitrary threshold immediately prohibit submission.
I hate the 21st century (and it’s lack of technology). If only there was a way to provide receipts for domestic violence. :-[
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If jovontae turner was accused of sexual assault nobody would have even brought up race. He’d be assumed guilty.
What makes this situation different?
To be clear, I’m not saying anything about if he is guilty or is not. Just wondering what makes this different than if someone posted on social media about him sexually assaulting someone.
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So, the accused is innocent until proven guilty if he’s a black man accused of domestic violence
Nobody in this thread said or even implied that, ever.
It’s a serious injustice that no one here will presume the innocence of a person until he’s proven guilty.
Another serious injustice is the fact that women have historically been the victims of abuse crimes that are hardly ever reported or taken seriously. Obviously we are not a court of law, and we definitely don't have evidence past Lizard King's attempt at spelling (the actual victim's voice is yet to be heard), but I don't perceive the tendency to believe victims as an injustice. I mean, technically he is innocent until proven guilty, even if people online are considering the possibility of him doing it...
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Im gonna need receipts before I condemn a black man publicly in a way that could legitimately ruin his life if untrue
Especially if thats the source fuck outta here
Honestly the only "receipt" I would need would be the victim speaking out against the abuser, regardless of their social or racial identity. However, like it's been said, it's a seriously underreported crime because of how tangled and messy it can be for victims, and because of the historical tendency to dismiss allegations. Lizard King is dead wrong for posting it, I really do think so, he could have just reported what he saw privately. Not saying I have a whole lotta faith in our legal system, but it's better than causing all of this speculation and potentially making things even worse for the victim.
@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
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BREAKING: Slap Magazine has confirmed that Lizard King is a racist piece of shit asshole
What? Can you please explain how you believe he’s a racist?
i dont think hes a racist at all
I’m starting to think he’s not even a real King.
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Anyone else think LK is just a tool and thought taking it to IG like a man was the only thing to do because his brain is fried from years of partying? I don’t think he did it cuz of some deep seed racism I just think he’s not very bright
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If I'm Liz in this instance, I don't think that the social media blast is going to help his neighbor feud lol.
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@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
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Someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but, I can’t ever remember lizard king being accused of anything racist the entire time he’s been on the scene, dude has been in deathwish/baker vans on tour for years… I’m sure if he had been saying racist shit or had any kind of feelings as such we would have heard about it by now… yet here you and pro club blanks are assuming someone else’s mentality towards other races, either you guys are racist or you’re really hoping he is so you have another person to try to cancel.
Everyone is all “out all abusers” all the time on social media, here you go someone outs an abuser and you are upset that it’s a white guy with a bunch of shitty tattoos from the middle of the country doing the outing and attempting to spin it into him being racist.. do you not see how insane that is? Focus your brain.
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@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
Someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but, I can’t ever remember lizard king being accused of anything racist the entire time he’s been on the scene, dude has been in deathwish/baker vans on tour for years… I’m sure if he had been saying racist shit or had any kind of feelings as such we would have heard about it by now… yet here you and pro club blanks are assuming someone else’s mentality towards other races, either you guys are racist or you’re really hoping he is so you have another person to try to cancel.
Everyone is all “out all abusers” all the time on social media, here you go someone outs an abuser and you are upset that it’s a white guy with a bunch of shitty tattoos from the middle of the country doing the outing and attempting to spin it into him being racist.. do you not see how insane that is? Focus your brain.
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@pro club blanks brings up a good point, and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly. Terrible way to handle it, and had Instagram possessed that heart rate monitoring tech, he wouldn't have been able to make that Instagram story.
Someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but, I can’t ever remember lizard king being accused of anything racist the entire time he’s been on the scene, dude has been in deathwish/baker vans on tour for years… I’m sure if he had been saying racist shit or had any kind of feelings as such we would have heard about it by now… yet here you and pro club blanks are assuming someone else’s mentality towards other races, either you guys are racist or you’re really hoping he is so you have another person to try to cancel.
Everyone is all “out all abusers” all the time on social media, here you go someone outs an abuser and you are upset that it’s a white guy with a bunch of shitty tattoos from the middle of the country doing the outing and attempting to spin it into him being racist.. do you not see how insane that is? Focus your brain.
Fucking Amen.
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It’s the same shit when people talk about the shit OJ, Michael Jackson, Cosby, R Kelly et al do. “Why are you trying to cancel our black men” attitude as if their creative output wasn’t seriously overshadowed by the heinous acts they did
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To be clear, once again, it isnt that the accusations couldnt possibly be true its that once again people are quicker than normal to believe the absolute worst when a black person is accused
Its a 2nd hand account from a neighbor who he is feuding with
Typically we are taking into account 1st hand accounts from victims themselves
And at no point did anyone say "well this is a litte fucked a familys well being and health is being discussed, so maybe the ike turner jokes are in bad taste"
Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it, but dont act like race doesnt effect how public opinion is shaped in america
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To be clear, once again, it isnt that the accusations couldnt possibly be true its that once again people are quicker than normal to believe the absolute worst when a black person is accused
Its a 2nd hand account from a neighbor who he is feuding with
Typically we are taking into account 1st hand accounts from victims themselves
And at no point did anyone say "well this is a litte fucked a familys well being and health is being discussed, so maybe the ike turner jokes are in bad taste"
Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it, but dont act like race doesnt effect how public opinion is shaped in america
I think we’ve been equal opportunity appalled at the behavior of skaters in general. There’s a Daryl thread dealing with a lot of the same issues
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Once again, people feeling attacked because the word "racist" makes them feel so uncomfortable that they can't think.
Every single person that grew up in America has racial biases, it's how it is. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll start to realize that it's wayyyyyy different than being a swastika wearing, head shaving, n word using racist (which, AGAIN, nobody accused Lizard King of being).
I have a tendency to believe victims, and even in this situation think there is some truth to the allegations, which maybe comes from my own fucking bias, as @pro club blanks is also patiently trying to explain. Personally I don't think LK would fabricate this story, but when people say "out all abusers" they're generally giving that message to former victims who have a safe enough distance from their abuser and have had time to heal. Not your idiot neighbor posting an insta poll arbitrarily asking his followers whether he's right or wrong for calling cps on your family.
Edit: one more time in case my white fragility friends come at me again: I am not accusing Lk of being the kind of racist you learned about watching Remember the Titans: a screaming, hate filled bigot with only malice toward black people in his heart. Scrub that image from your brain because that is NOT what's being discussed here. All I am trying to say is that what we do and think is often influenced by these biases WE ALL have, and it is my personal opinion that it is not completely out of this world to believe that LK was feeling a bit influenced by his own when he took to social media instead of calling proper authorities.
If our man really wanted to be the hero, he could have contacted JTs wife, asked about her situation, offered help, asked if it would be helpful to use his platform, wrote the post (and checked for spelling!), and then sent it out to the masses. Rather, it seems he typed it in a rage fueled hurry and shat it out onto Instagram for us all to see and argue about here. I do hope some good comes from the post if what he says is true (which AGAIN, I am leaning towards believing!!).
Final edit: some of you guys remind of the middle aged white people I work with during racial sensitivity trainings: smart enough to understand what's being said, but lacking the courage to accept that you might play a role (albeit a small one, individually) in perpetuating some ways of thinking that disproportionately affect black people. It helps to swallow the pill when you consider you were born into these circumstances, its often subconscious, and the best you can do is to be as aware of it as you can and work against it when possible.
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Once again, people feeling attacked because the word "racist" makes them feel so uncomfortable that they can't think.
Every single person that grew up in America has racial biases, it's how it is. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll start to realize that it's wayyyyyy different than being a swastika wearing, head shaving, n word using racist (which, AGAIN, nobody accused Lizard King of being).
I have a tendency to believe victims, and even in this situation think there is some truth to the allegations, which maybe comes from my own fucking bias, as @pro club blanks is also patiently trying to explain. Personally I don't think LK would fabricate this story, but when people say "out all abusers" they're generally giving that message to former victims who have a safe enough distance from their abuser and have had time to heal. Not your idiot neighbor posting an insta poll arbitrarily asking his followers whether he's right or wrong for calling cps on your family.
Edit: one more time in case my white fragility friends come at me again: I am not accusing Lk of being the kind of racist you learned about watching Remember the Titans: a screaming, hate filled bigot with only malice toward black people in his heart. Scrub that image from your brain because that is NOT what's being discussed here. All I am trying to say is that what we do and think is often influenced by these biases WE ALL have, and it is my personal opinion that it is not completely out of this world to believe that LK was feeling a bit influenced by his own when he took to social media instead of calling proper authorities.
If our man really wanted to be the hero, he could have contacted JTs wife, asked about her situation, offered help, asked if it would be helpful to use his platform, wrote the post (and checked for spelling!), and then sent it out to the masses. Rather, it seems he typed it in a rage fueled hurry and shat it out onto Instagram for us all to see and argue about here. I do hope some good comes from the post if what he says is true (which AGAIN, I am leaning towards believing!!).
Final edit: some of you guys remind of the middle aged white people I work with during racial sensitivity trainings: smart enough to understand what's being said, but lacking the courage to accept that you might play a role (albeit a small one, individually) in perpetuating some ways of thinking that disproportionately affect black people. It helps to swallow the pill when you consider you were born into these circumstances, its often subconscious, and the best you can do is to be as aware of it as you can and work against it when possible.
Sorry - please enlighten everyone on how to think as white men - tell me more about how my thoughts can be better towards black people.
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It's some really scary thought control stuff, idk. I basically want you to walk around and feel guilty about yourself ALL THE TIME. Know that you are the racist, the worst of all kinds of people, and you should tiptoe around minorities or triggered lefties.
I might as well just say what you're going to hear, right?
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It's some really scary thought control stuff, idk. I basically want you to walk around and feel guilty about yourself ALL THE TIME. Know that you are the racist, the worst of all kinds of people, and you should tiptoe around minorities or triggered lefties.
I might as well just say what you're going to hear, right?
No - you’re the one that has a problem with people’s thoughts. Please, elaborate
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To be clear, once again, it isnt that the accusations couldnt possibly be true its that once again people are quicker than normal to believe the absolute worst when a black person is accused
Its a 2nd hand account from a neighbor who he is feuding with
Typically we are taking into account 1st hand accounts from victims themselves
And at no point did anyone say "well this is a litte fucked a familys well being and health is being discussed, so maybe the ike turner jokes are in bad taste"
Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it, but dont act like race doesnt effect how public opinion is shaped in america
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It's some really scary thought control stuff, idk. I basically want you to walk around and feel guilty about yourself ALL THE TIME. Know that you are the racist, the worst of all kinds of people, and you should tiptoe around minorities or triggered lefties.
I might as well just say what you're going to hear, right?
No - you’re the one that has a problem with people’s thoughts. Please, elaborate
I have a problem with people ignoring the truth and making the "I don't have a racist bone in my body" argument for themselves or others. It makes me disappointed when people fail to think critically about race relations in America and end up saying/doing things that reinforce oppression. I really don't think there are any egregious examples of racism here, and it's sad to me when people can't separate idea of subconscious bias and overt racism. I dont even have a problem with the fact that we have bias, I am a person with my own. I just wish people would be brave enough to accept and investigate theirs, and even consider that great skateboarders might have biases that influence their behaviors too. You're trying to spin it like I want everyone to think a certain way - no, I want everyone to be critical of why they think certain ways and decide whether or not it might be harmful based on an understanding of what has happened and is happening with race and power in America and elsewhere. If you can't be bothered to do that, I'm sorry, I'll stop trying to "control how others think."
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This is why people hate liberals lol
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This is why people hate liberals lol
Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?
I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.
It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
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No disrespect to anyone, but I tend to agree with your stance on this topic, Urtripping.
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This is why people hate liberals lol
Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?
I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.
It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
No - It’s because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesn’t agree with you.
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This is why people hate liberals lol
Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?
I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.
It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
No - It’s because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesn’t agree with you.
Hey, friend... from where I'm sitting, that's what you're doing too. I didn't even go off until people came in with dismissive sarcasm.
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This is why people hate liberals lol
Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?
I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.
It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
No - It’s because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesn’t agree with you.
Hey, friend... from where I'm sitting, that's what you're doing too. I didn't even go off until people came in with dismissive sarcasm.
Hello, friend - I’m not american for the record, I just find comments like this wildly arrogant and presumptuous:
“ and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly”
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This is why people hate liberals lol
Cause racism is over and liberals won't stop talking about it like it's still here, huh?
I know I've been insufferable and preachy but God damn, trying to explain this to some of you guys is like telling children to eat their broccoli.
It's still fuck LK for posting and fuck JT if he's beating up his family for me.
No - It’s because ironically you get upset like a child if someone doesn’t agree with you.
Hey, friend... from where I'm sitting, that's what you're doing too. I didn't even go off until people came in with dismissive sarcasm.
Hello, friend - I’m not american for the record, I just find comments like this wildly arrogant and presumptuous:
“ and I will maintain that LK was probably satisfying some deep, buried racial bias when deciding to air this out publicly”
I can understand that. I don't see it that way at all, because I've been immersed in this culture and have done a whole lot of work to become mindful and critial of my upbringing and backwater, rural American beliefs.
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Imagine the outrage and cognitive dissonance that would occur if Jovontae put this board graphic out in 2021.
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Lol is it cognitive dissonance to recognize and appreciate the irony there while holding strong beliefs about racial justice?
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Lol is it cognitive dissonance to recognize and appreciate the irony there while holding strong beliefs about racial justice?
Not at all.
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Lol is it cognitive dissonance to recognize and appreciate the irony there while holding strong beliefs about racial justice?
Not at all.
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Skating in the 21 St century imagine being hung up on race while skating KOOK lmao
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Imagine the outrage and cognitive dissonance that would occur if Jovontae put this board graphic out in 2021.
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This was apparently the only one of Jovontae's controversial ass boards that he didn't like/have a hand in.
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fuck you, Pacman!