Thanks for the reply Monty!No no , thanks for your reply !
Well apparently this is old footage tooOh yeah , my bad
That's fine and all but maybe he ran round the corner, had an epiphany about wasting food and then went back and munched on them. Highly unlikely, yes, but people waste perfectly good food all the time and we don't wish death upon them do we?You really dont see a difference between somebody not finishing his burger and somebody throwing lobsters against a wall ?
Even people who have no problems with factory farming usually have huge issues with instances like this
or maybe ... you just don't kill shit at all and avoid any suffering? Crazy thought I know
Yes, your torture example is a good one but the majority of these animals *do* live their whole lives in a state of torture (hence why I said it's a grey area). At the end of the day you or I probably don't want to die. I imagine this is true for other sentient beings too. This death/ suffering could easily be avoided but it's not because of such airtight justifications as a)bacon b)ancestors c)god d)protein Theres still suffering in the world , being vegan doesnt stop that . Still wars every day , bears still eat deer . Lions will still hunt gazels .
You know how many animals get killed when we harvest wheat and grain ? . Should we not harvest vegetables because mice and rabits get killed ? and if we dont eat animals we deff have to have more machines to harvest which will kill more animals then it does now ( harvesting that is ) . Are you ok with killing insects ? if so why is it ok to kill them but not animals ? can we kill bacteria ? or cancer cells ? they are living too
Humans are the top predators so it makes sense that we hunt and fish
I honestly think you live in a fantasy world if you believe this. Sure, you yourself may buy free range/ organic/ grassfed, and I commend you for making that choice, but 60 billion animals don't get slaughtered every year by hanging out at mom and pop farm retreats where they get hugs and sip on organic ice tea. If you wanna make $crilla in the meat/ dairy industry you need to maximize the growth, and death, of your product in the shortest amount of time using the smallest amount of space. Simple capitalism. I love how free range farms preach that they care about the livelihood of their animals; think about the absolute stupidity of that statement for a second... If I care about the livelihood of my cat/ dog/ child/ mum I don't breed it so that I can then slit it's throat and sell it to the local butcher shop do I? Yes, they are a better alternative when compared to industrial farming but how many people do you actually know that shop/ live this way? Probably about as many people as you know who are actually vegan (i.e. 3)Im not gonna argue with alot here , There are more inhumane farms then humane , but there still is alot of humane places . Animal rights have improved alot and Im sure it will get better and better . Id assume farmers who treat there live stock well still like or love their animals , but there is still a distance from what they feel for their dog or family .
Id say 90 % of the people I know try to use fair trade , free range and all other products that are "green " And most places Ive worked have worked closely with local farms who focuses on these things , treating their animals right , focusing on good produce
I need to ask you as a vegan . Whats gonna happen with all the animals in farms when we dont need them anymore ? All the farmers would be out of business , and either switch to farming veggies or get a job in the city . But what about those cows and chickens and so on ?
We would have to kill them all and I assume alot of species would get extinct .
What about deer populations ? if you look at michigan deer strikes its about 50 thousand accidents each year . Deer population in america is monitored and controlled by fish and game , and hunters . Accidents would go way up
Part of the reason we still have lions in africa is cause rich people from around the world want to pay to go shoot them . The reason alot of animals are doing better then along time is cause of hunters , I know that sounds crazy but its true
I'm glad we found some common ground here! I agree with you on all of those points. End game though, I don't see how these conditions would magically improve within our current framework of give me convenience or give me death and $$$ = GOD. Things are getting better , if you look how animals were treated around the world 50 years ago , or even 20 years ago . The internet is changing things . less deceases , less crime , less war , smarter people and so on . Soon Sea world will close down , and dolphins and Whales
will have it better
Yeah look, I'm honestly surprised that this wasn't the focus of a lot of the anger directed towards Shawn. The guy never preached animals rights before so it seems stupid to focus on that aspect when him and the majority of people getting cut about this happily contribute to said suffering on the daily. People dont usually like to see animals suffer . Take me for example I dont kill insects or any living thing if I can avoid it . If I find a spider or bee in my house I try my hardest not to hurt it and let it out . But Im perfectly fine with shooting a deer or moose , fishing , and Ive killed tons of sea food in my job .
But I am against shooting a moose in all knee caps and then beating him with a base ball bat until it dies . You want a clean kill with as little suffering as possible . So we stab lobsters in the brain and cook them in boiling water
You should only kill when you are going to use it and when you do as humanly as possible