why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.
http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Weird, but awesome, definitely.Expand Quotewhy not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.
http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)[close]
What a weird website! You can buy baseplates for Ace and Indy's for $1.95 a piece!
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
Expand QuoteI found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?[close]
66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate. I'd go for the 55's
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facing trucks? never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?Or you could just put a washer in there...
http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
what did you use to pull the pivot cups out? i tried a bunch of things, even tried to set them on fire and burn them out
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
i want to get trucks for an 8.25 should i go with the 44s or 33s. I currently skate a 8.125 and want to move up to start shredding more tranny and shit. let me know what you guys think. thanks44s. I have them on an 8.3
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action. After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.
Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?
Expand QuoteI have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action. After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.
Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?[close]
They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action. After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.
Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?[close]
They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.[close]
Thanks. I'll give it a shot with the stock bushings but have some Bones Hards ready for the eventual swap. As far as running the top washer, I just got used to taking it off because, in my experience, Bones won't fit in Thunders with the top washer and I haven't ever had problems without it.
Are these trucks considered hi's?
Bump. Just got some high 33's. The winter is still aggressive, but I figured buying new shit would get me amped for spring.even though i'm recovering from an ankle injury (it'll be a little while...), i just got some 44's. definitely hyped me up to keep up with my physical therapy because having fresh stuff in reserve is just plain nice.
I got some 44s on a Christmas complete and I've skated it probably 10 times. I love how the trucks turn, but they're still super squeaky. They grind a little weird because the way the hanger is curved so that will take some getting used to. I heard they made it like that so that your grind on the side of the truck rather than in the middle. Mine broke in almost instantly and they keep feeling looser and looser the more I skate them. I've been skating that set up mostly this winter, but today I rode my other set up with Indy 139s and they felt so tight today, even though I originally set the aces around the same as my Indys, and I wouldn't have considered the Indys to be tight before I got the aces. Overall I love them and back them 100%.
Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.
I walked in to the shop the other day and picked a pair of raw 33's... Walked out with stage 11 139's.
Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some
I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44sExpand QuoteYea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some[close]
I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?
Do they make an 8.0/8.125 truck? I just stepped down from 8.5 and need a new set of trucks. I might end up going to 8.25 so I guess I could always get the 44's. But most likely I'll stay at 8/8.125.
my hanger snapped through the side of the pivot cups i wanna get a new baseplate but there 10 bucks cheaper than the trucks themselves has anyone ever heard of refunds through ace or know anyone to contact thanks
im on my first pair of aces, for almost an half year now and im about to order my second pair.
i ride mine with bones medium bushings and khiro soft pivot cups, its the perfect truck for me and i was on indys and thunders before.
I'm currently skating some indys but am really tempted to try out some ace trucks. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how they compare to one another? Also I'm guessing for 8.25 should I go with ace 44? Would these poke out of my board?
Man I'm honestly torn between either getting a new set of indys or the ace but I'll give ace a shot. I really want to get into skating tranny and I'm sure after time I'll get use to grinding in them. Thanks a lot for all the input guys!ace are probably the best trucks i've skated. been riding them for the last few years and had no problems, other than pivot cups wearing out/ a problem for me with any trucks. and the kingpins can get loose, but i've skated with them like that for a year, and they never broke. recently i've been wanting to change things up and skate a bulkier hanger though
If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.
Expand QuoteIf you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.[close]
Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.
Expand QuoteIf you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.[close]
Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
Any tips?
To me turning wise you can't even bring in thunder in the same conversation.....
I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some[close]
I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?[close]
They probably are too hard. Put 20-30 hours on the bushings and put my old pivot cups back in and it still doesn't feel right. I have washers on top, none on bottom. I'm going to see if I still have the stock Ace bushings to put back in...It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?Expand QuoteI replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?[close]
Expand QuoteI haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteYea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some[close]
I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?[close][close]
Mine didn't hold up so well. I loved them while they lasted though. A few days ago I started noticing a weird sag from my board and I couldn't figure out what the hell it was. I took a close look at my trucks and realized that not only did one of them look pretty bent but there is a hairline crack in the hanger that's split all the way down to the axle...
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I broke the hanger on my last set of Thunders also so I might just have shit luck...
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this is happening in my koston 149's with bones med i think bones dont fuck with barrel type trucks just my 2 cents tho.They probably are too hard. Put 20-30 hours on the bushings and put my old pivot cups back in and it still doesn't feel right. I have washers on top, none on bottom. I'm going to see if I still have the stock Ace bushings to put back in...Expand QuoteIt might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?Expand QuoteI replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?[close][close]
edit: just put brand new Ace bushings in, just turning the truck with my hand feels 10x better.
Whats the sizing on the trucks? Is it"I know the 44 is like 8.25, the 55 is 8.875, and 66 is 9.25. Not sure on the 33, I wanna say it's like 7.9 or something.
03/33 8 inch, 44 8.5 inch, 55 9 inch, 66 9.5 inch?
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!If you have bones speed cream try putting a drop in each cup, helps for a bit.
Only plus side is it makes it tougher to hear my old man knees.
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!
I had a set of the ACE lows (03's) last year. They felt a little too low for the turning radius and I ended up experiencing a lot wheel of bite. I tried using bones mediums, then bones hards with 52mm wheels and kept getting pitched when turning too sharp. Also the kingpin stuck out pretty high and would catch when grinding. The highs (33's) feel a lot better in my opinion.
I think the Indys will hold up better but the aces turn mental.....I decided to loosen my aces again...tightened em back up almost immediately...haha
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.
Expand QuoteI need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.[close]
ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons
ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy
Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts
Expand QuoteI need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.[close]
ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons
ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy
Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts
I'm probably going to try some 33's the next time I need trucks. My question is why does Ace get a pass from most yet Diamond doesn't? It's the same company. There's a fucking diamond in the Ace logo!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.[close]
ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons
ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy
Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts[close]
do fat people give you highfives for conforming?
half of that post was opinion and obviously slightly sarcastic.
you haven't tried the stage 11s.
Ace's are great trucks no doubt but to say Indys are slow is wrong.
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)
There's nothing else because I'm fucking right. I guarantee if they were called Diamond trucks instead of Ace NOBODY here would fuck with them.Expand Quotehttp://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)[close]
Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
There's nothing else because I'm fucking right. I guarantee if they were called Diamond trucks instead of Ace NOBODY here would fuck with them.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)[close]
Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.[close]
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.
I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.
Expand QuoteI switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.
I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.[close]
That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.
I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.[close]
That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?[close]
Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?
And if you want something between an Indy and ace....and don't really care what people think.....Theeve all the way....
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.
I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.[close]
That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?[close]
Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?[close]
Ace makes a replacement pivot cup that is really good, have not blown one out. Also I think shorties makes one.
Fuck man the axle one of my 44's slipped so badly I couldn't even keep my axle nut on with enough room for my wheel to spin. I've only been skating these for like 3 months and my skating is completely low impact. It was only on my back truck so I'm hoping it was just a defect but I'm really bummed. I just emailed ace so we'll see what happens... I really liked these trucks.
Does anyone have an email address where I can get in touch with someone at ace? I emailed ace customer service and they told me to contact the original retailer since I didn't buy it directly from diamond supply. I emailed the retailer and they told me no returns after 45 days. I'm fairly certain I've heard people on here talk about getting their bent or broken aces replaced so what gives? No guarantee after 45 days? that's horse shit
If your wheels keep catching on tail/noseslides it aint your trucks that are the problem
I'm on an 8.5 w 44s and double inside washers right now. Feels pretty good, but I've been riding between 8.25 and 8.5s. If I were you might go with 55s since your a bracket up in terms of deck size range. But it's all personal preference at days end. I just wish I could get the pivot cups to shut up. Tried all the suggestions offered in this thread but still loud as fuck. Might just get some after markets
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.Expand QuoteIt's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.[close]
I've always had the soft ones, they just feel at least a little bit more natural than the hard ones. Less break in time I guess, I'm sure I sacrifice some durability with the differences in rubber, but overall I'm ok with it. Pivot cups are cheap anywayExpand QuoteI've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.Expand QuoteIt's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.[close][close]
After some google research it says they come in hard and soft, which did you get, why, and how are they?
And while Aces do need quite a bit of after-market lovin, once you replace the bushings, the pivot cups only need to be replaced every 8-12 months and they're fucking awesome. I'll be skating Aces til the end of time if possible. The absolute worst shit I ever lost was my broken in Aces, I'll never get another crooked-grind groove like that again :-\
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Holy shit just realized that I started this thread, 0 recollection of that
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
I've had pretty much the same experience. I'm now on my second pair of 44s and I've never had a problem. I will echo that the stock bushings are crap. Regardless I always swap them out for bones hard so it doesn't really matter.Expand QuoteIt's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.[close]
I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
After skating some 44s for almost 6 months I'm pretty ready to go back to Indys. In my opinion, Aces are really fun to skate around, but when it comes down to doing tricks, it makes them a lot harder. It's because the turning is almost too good. Don't get me wrong, I love loose trucks, when I skate Indys my trucks are barely hanging on, but Aces seem to turn all the way to wheelbite just from the slightest movement. I set up Indys on another setup that I have, and they feel a lot better. I can see why people like Aces though, and I will definitely end up setting them up on a cruiser board in the future. Just my two cents.
I've had pretty much the same experience. I'm now on my second pair of 44s and I've never had a problem. I will echo that the stock bushings are crap. Regardless I always swap them out for bones hard so it doesn't really matter.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.[close]
I'm not gonna lie i've wanted to make the switch for a little bit now, but i think i like the heaviness of my board with indy's. It feels sturdy, while i feel like aces will just make me squirrely. I suppose im just not on that loose-ness level that some of you are at with your trucks, and i feel like i ride my indy's on the looser side without the bolt falling off. Also, i just started getting this lovely crook indent recently, nothing better then that deep crook groove!
I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.[close]
I haven't personally used the magnesium baseplates but my friend is using them now and they really make your trucks lighter.
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.
There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!
So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.
Expand QuoteSo would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.[close]
Yes. I don't skate transition and I love them. If you're still skeptical, just watch this:
adidas Skateboarding Raul Navarro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM5nIdtu-_I#)
You can see that he's skating them in a lot of clips.
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.
I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.
Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
Expand QuoteWould be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.
There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week![close]
well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve
but does anyone own a scale?
ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.
There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw)
This dude's killing on ACEs for street.
Go ride your indy's if you like'em, problem solved!
Expand Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw)
This dude's killing on ACEs for street.
Go ride your indy's if you like'em, problem solved![close]
What are you talking about, the 6-7 times i was able to see his trucks they were literally Indy every time.
I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...
And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.
upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.
Expand QuoteI've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...
And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.[close]Expand Quoteupon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.[close]
Do people who think their trucks are bent know that they put more metal in the middle of the truck which makes it look bent when the actual axle is straight? I've seen people complain about it and then when they found out and checked the actual axle they realized it wasnt bent...
And why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.Dude...
Dude...Expand QuoteAnd why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.[close]
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/thumb_29998_AceTrucksWingsStickerTn.jpg)
Indys are the heaviest most bulletproof trucks on the market, just look at them they burlyExpand QuoteWould be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.
There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week![close]
well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve
but does anyone own a scale?
ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys
Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indysExpand QuoteAce trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.[close]
Picked up my first set of ace's today, 33's. A lot more stable than I expected, and the turn is insane. Currently set em up with bones mediums and no bottom washer. How have others set em up to get the best out of them?
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axel slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed... :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axel slipping? (i live in europe)
Expand QuoteToday i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed... :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)[close]
send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteToday i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed... :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)[close]
send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.[close]
Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy, everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed... :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)[close]
send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.[close]
Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy, everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)[close]
Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteToday i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed... :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)[close]
send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.[close]
Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy, everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)[close]
Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.[close]
Are you sure the axle was actually bent though? You know they make them with more mass in the middle than the sides, right? They look bent but the axle inside is straight. I wonder how many customers they've lost because of that construction...
Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.
Expand QuoteAh damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.[close]
yeah, i feel you. The trucks skate super well, I'd be riding them right now if they didn't bend. But having bent 4 sets VERY quickly, and then received a replacement set that didn't have straight axles, I would never support them again.
You had 1 set of defective indys, and 4 sets of defective Aces...Expand QuoteStoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indysExpand QuoteAce trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.[close][close]
I've had defective Indys before so I'm not worried about it. Aces turn better and stay more stable for me so they're just what i need.
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.
Hello again, this is ACE TRUCKS.
As stated we always replace returned trucks, contact [email protected]
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sorry for the noob question, but how exactly do you know when your axle slips? can you move it freely back and forth? mine doesnt move freely, but i just noticed that my heel side wheels have no wobble room between the truck and the axle nut, but my toe side have a ton of room. the nuts on both side are tightened exactly the same amount. i do a lot of backside slappies (regular footed), so it would make sense that the axles would get pulled toward the toe side from locking into grinds. i just noticed it and it hasnt bothered me yet. next time i skate ill just loosen and tighten the axle nuts so everything is even again. i just found it weird that one side had a bunch more wobble room than the other.
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.If it's your axle that slipped, only replace the hangar. Baseplates, bushings, even nuts, use the old ones. I'm still riding the same baseplate from 3 years ago.
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?
Expand QuoteThinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?[close]
I ran 33's with a washer on the inside on a 8.125. Personally I think 44's would be too big, but I can't stand seeing any nut sticking out the side of my board.
My ace trucks were pretty much awful. Can't believe how many people are praising the stability on this thread. i ride super loose trucks, but my ace were the opposite of stable. i can get the same turn radius with indys yet still set up for flip tricks without flip flopping to wheel bite right away. Also the axles slipped, bent and hanger cracked. And put em on a scale and compare to indys, youd be surprised that the slim silhouette of ace trucks actually weighs more than the equivalent size of indys. I did contact joey tershay and he was super cool about replacing them which is sick, but i got too lazy to ship em out and bought some new indys down the street. Also, for the people saying they can't get indys loose enough without the nut falling off, sanding down the bushings is an easy solution.Or take off the washer(s). That helped me for a while.
If you want Chinese made trucks that turn like an Indy stage III and are super light- consider Krux...
The only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.Same, its a problem that I can avoid only through skating looser trucks. Not sure if there are any other methods, since I've tried multiple sets of pivot cups already.
Same, its a problem that I can avoid only through skating looser trucks. Not sure if there are any other methods, since I've tried multiple sets of pivot cups already.Expand QuoteThe only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.[close]
Stop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever
Expand QuoteStop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever[close]
unless the axles bend. seriously, you shouldn't have to do THAT much aftermarket care to make some trucks skateable.
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over? hoverboardish?
i like my aces. been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger. considering going back to 149's
i know this is fascinating
only problem is the pivot cups
Expand Quoteanyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over? hoverboardish?
i like my aces. been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger. considering going back to 149's
i know this is fascinating[close]
The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38
The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)
Ace 55's for anything over 8.5
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteanyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over? hoverboardish?
i like my aces. been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger. considering going back to 149's
i know this is fascinating[close]
The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38
The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)
Ace 55's for anything over 8.5[close]
Anyone know how the 33's measure precisely from tip to tip?
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
Expand QuoteThe one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements[close]
The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements[close]
The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market[close]
then why do they all bend?
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements[close]
The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market[close]
then why do they all bend?[close]
Expand QuoteThey're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements[close]
The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market[close]
then why do they all bend?[close][close]
Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements[close]
The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market[close]
then why do they all bend?[close][close]
Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.[close]
How much you weigh homie damn
FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 modelsThese look awesome, gonna have to get another pair of ace's.
https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
These look awesome, gonna have to get another pair of ace's.Expand QuoteFYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models
https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)[close]
Personally I never liked the way they grind. Seemed a bit 'chalky' to me, as if the metal is softer compared to Indys/ Thunder.this. they feel like soft aluminum. and my axles bent, as well. probably not worth it to replace them...unless i could get a replacement pair and then swap them for indys at the shop
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that.
i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out. i've put wax in there and other shit. it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it.
i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds. and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd
any one else have this problem?
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that.Every set of Indys I've had had squeaked so bad. It's to the point where I automatically replace pivot cups with hard, or plastic, pivot cups from the get. I can't stand the squeaking.
i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out. i've put wax in there and other shit. it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it.
i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds. and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd
any one else have this problem?
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?
Beefed up 44s
Beefed up 44s for those that care,Damn I wonder how much heavier they are than the old ones. They look kinda like destructos now.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Interesting. Anybody has a picture showing the comparison between the new and old trucks?
I think the redesign only applies to size 44 and up.
Anyone have a clue if the new shape is/will be available in UK?
anywhere online i can get those re-modeled ace's? i checked out Socal's site but they still have the product pic of the old ones with the tapered hanger part that goes into the pivot cup.
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....I can still get down on my Thunder 149s But I definitely know what you're saying. The ace turn makes me wet AF.
Expand QuoteI feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....[close]
It's really difficult to explain, isn't it?
What bushing did you run again? Krux/somethingsemthign?
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good. they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models. keeping stock bushings. just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.The stock bushings take a bit to break in. Putting krux bushings in them make them suuper buttery though. I haven't had problems with the pivot cups yet but pretty much everyone says they blow out pretty quick so it might be good to have a spare set ready to roll.
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good. they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models. keeping stock bushings. just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.
Tensor? ;D ;D ;D ;DExpand Quotejust copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good. they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models. keeping stock bushings. just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.[close]
If they turn better than Indy....then what other truck turns better?
So I was fortunate enough to get a set of the new 55s and magnesium baseplates to try out.
I need to skate them a bit and I'll let you guys know. They look sick though, thats for sure.
I've been riding Indys for 10 years, but I just ordered some Ace 44.
Can't wait to try them !
So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense ???
Expand QuoteSo while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense ???[close]
So, Aces are like a girlfriend you love but that's cheating on you.
I find Aces are a good stable carve.....Even a tiny bit broader than an Indy....then they hook......
I've been riding ACE for a year now. I'll need new trucks soon, so I am now stuck between choosing a new set of indys or stick with ACE. IMO ACE wins over indys in every aspect, except one. At faster speeds ACES can wobble so unexpectedly, it gets frustrating. One second I am doing a manual, the next one I'm flying off my board. That same problem also happened while pushing as fast as I can on flat ground, that issue never occured with indys (or even thunders).
So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense ???
glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....
Expand Quoteglad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....[close]
Yeha unfortunately it's not as clean or low profile as the Krux design. Odd choice
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.
I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.
The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.
I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.
I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.
The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.
I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
true. they feel lighter perhaps due to their sprightly turn and liveliness...
they also grind down faster than indy, so will get lighter sooner... ha ha...
now, if they'd only start producing some aftermarket bushing options.
I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.Expand QuoteTried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.
I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.
The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.
I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.[close]
For those with experience using both, which do you like better?
Krux for sure. The top bushing is also a little shorter so you can get the nut on more with out it tightening down on the bushing as much. You can also try stock bottom bushing krux top.I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.Expand QuoteTried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.
I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.
The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.
I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.[close]
For those with experience using both, which do you like better?
Not normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)
Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.
If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mini_Logo_Axle_Washers_8pk/descpage-MLAXW8PK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mini_Logo_Axle_Washers_8pk/descpage-MLAXW8PK.html)Expand QuoteThose red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.
If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.[close]
tried to find some speed rings at my local hardware store but they only have ones that detach rather than a full ring. it's almost like those things that's used on keychains. i know it's a thing on Ace's where you add speed rings to get more hanger space and better placement of the wheel. but yeah! anywhere else can you get them?
Expand QuoteNot normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)[close]
Nice! My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts. That's a huge gap between sizes. I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one. Where's the 8.62 inch truck?
Expand QuoteNot normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)[close]
Nice! My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts. That's a huge gap between sizes. I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one. Where's the 8.62 inch truck?
Krux bushings also come with pivot cups. Not sure if they are as good khiros but might be worth trying. in saying that my stock ace pivot cups have been fine.
i haven't even compared them as my ace pivot cups are just fine. i'm curious though... does it matter if they stick out a little?
i'm getting closer and closer to needing new trucks.�
been wanting to try titanium indy, because i like the idea of slightly lighter truck.� is it really true that ace 44's are the exact width as 149?� thought 149 were wider
as much as i want to try indy again, i am leaning towards sticking with Ace.� some people don't like the way they look but personally i like the minimal design (of the older design).� indys feel more bulky to me, which i guess is good for durability but also feels clunky or something
also, when rode indy's i had like 3 pairs in a row that had the axel slip.� no problems with my Ace
what say ye?
Anyone know if those 38special nuts will be sold on their own, I want a better look at themMaybe try a hardware store?
Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...That would be pretty sick haha
closest ive seen is a flange nut.That would be pretty sick hahaExpand QuoteDoes your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...[close]
But I meant trying to see if a hardware store had a similar nut
Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.
might be a dumb question and its probably been answered a bunch, but should i go 44 or 55 for a 8.7 t.u deck?
Expand QuoteAce has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.[close]
Actually, they did: http://acetruckmfg.com/ (http://acetruckmfg.com/) (it now points to the FB page, which is cheaper and has more reach).
I was at my local shop the other day and found a pair of 33's that have the "3/8 special" nuts on them stock. They don't have the nylon collar insert like normal axle and baseplate nuts. The "nyloc" type nuts help resist turning and secure the nut better, so I'm not sure if it could be a bad thing that the 38's don't have them. But it's the same size as the baseplate nuts so you would use that part of your tool to loosen or tighten the 38's.
Skate Warehouse has 'em in stock if anyone was interested in ordering them. Size 44 only...
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)
I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?
Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.
Expand QuoteMan, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.[close]
Well I'm out. I change wheels and gear more than most; these would be obsolete right away; also, there is always some tightening that goes on once you set up a new ride ones the bearings/wheels/rucks settle.
Expand QuoteJust checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?[close]
They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?[close]
They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.[close]
I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
Thinking about trying some 44's. The general consensus seems to be that Krux aftermarket bushings are the best, yay?
facing trucks? never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?Try using a wide flat head screw driver and prying the cup out that way.
http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
You just quoted, and answered a post from 5 and a half years ago.Try using a wide flat head screw driver and prying the cup out that way.Expand Quotefacing trucks? never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?
http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.[close]
If you're using more than two speed rings hanger side, the nut isn't going to hang on very well, nylon collar or not. Are you just using the usual one speed ring inside and out and tightening it down properly where there isn't too much play? Because yeah, that's not good if the nuts are coming loose with the normal amount of speed rings on the axle...[close]
I'm using two thick Ace speed rings on the inside and one thinner Independent washer on the outside. There is some play with the wheels, just like there would be with Indys with two on the inside and one on the outside.
I have to keep tightening at least one nut after every session. I wouldn't recommend these 3/8 nuts. The only reason I'm using them is because they came with the trucks (I thought they were regular 44s since they were the same price as regular 44s). I'll probably ditch the nuts soon or when I need new wheels.
How many speed rings come on new aces these days? used to be just one as you were supposed to put it on the outside as the inner hanger was tapered.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?[close]
They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.[close]
I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set[close]
SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?[close]
They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.[close]
I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set[close]
SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's[close]
Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.
Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.
Expand QuoteReally hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.
Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.[close]
Somehow I doubt it will happen, ACE is still too small, probably will always be this way; the intital bad taste of hanger bends blew it for them (much like theeves bushing seat). New brands rarely recover from missteps and with zero marketing dollars...we're al stuck with heavy cast plates :P
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?[close]
They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.[close]
I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set[close]
SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's[close]
Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?[close]
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttp://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?[close]
They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.[close]
I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set[close]
SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's[close]
Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?[close]
I e-mailed them a couple of months ago to check if it was the re-designed 44's - 55's - 66's and it's still the old design...don't know about it now but would love to get it from them than soCal since they're tax free and free shipping. nothing bad to say about them rather than i always come up good on their thursday sales.
I got some 55s from Tactics. They were the new design. They don't always know what the fuck they're talking about. Great shop as far as online goes through.
Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)
New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.
They only changed the design on 44's and up. The 03s they sell now will be exactly the same as the ones you have.Expand QuoteOld:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)
New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.[close]
Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
They only changed the design on 44's and up. The 03s they sell now will be exactly the same as the ones you have.Expand QuoteExpand Quote
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.[close]
Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.[close]
Old:
New:
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.
Yeah man. There is something about them. They just feel...right.Expand QuoteOld:
New:
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.[close]
Ahh, so I got the new design, thanks.
Sidenote: These might be the best trucks I've ever had.
Anybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point. Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue. The cast baseplates are softer than forged. Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point. Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue. The cast baseplates are softer than forged. Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen
Expand QuoteAnybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...[close]
Yep. Happened to me with two sets in a row. I'm trying ACE one last time. This time keeping stock bushings or using Krux which will maintain stock geometry. Before, I had Bones in them which are too short and put added stress on the kingpin and pivot.
Ace plates are forged, right?
If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?
Expand Quoteif you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point. Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue. The cast baseplates are softer than forged. Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen[close]
Ace plates are forged, right?
If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?
I was also riding bones, with both washers.
I just ordered a new pair, this time I will ride them all stock as you suggested...
Is this issue supported by Ace warranty?
Dear Thomas,
At Ace we take our trucks and our warranty very seriously. If you have any
issues with your Ace trucks, please send them to us along with a letter
explaining your concerns and containing your return shipping address for
replacement.
ACE c / o Warranty
1710 Cordova Street
Los Angeles, CA 90007 USA
Best Regards,
-ACE-
After suffering through these stock Ace bushings for a week, I finally got some Krux in the mail today. Once the rain dried up I cruised around and got to experience these magnificent motherfuckers. Fuck Bones bushings, Krux in Ace's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. The top Krux bushing is shorter than an Ace stock which doesn't really matter, but just letting everyone know.
I really don't understand why Joey decided to put such restrictive stock bushings in the redesigns. They make Ace's very hard to turn and it prevents them from performing how they are supposed to be right out of the gate. Now with the Krux bushings, they have that good ol' amazing responsiveness and just an unbeatable turn, while being able to maintain stock geometry. Just hope my kingpins don't come loose again...
I've seen a bunch of people at my Local skatepark that skates in Ace's and they have the stock top bushing and Bones Medium or Soft on the Bottom. Can anyone confirm if that's still too short for the specified geometry?
I experimented today and noticed that either Ace stock bottoms or the Krux bottoms perform about the same as long as you use Krux tops. It's that hard Ace top bushing that really restricts the turn most of all.I hated the stock bushing at first too but I decided to try and actually break them in and I feel like they work pretty much the same as the Krux bushings once they're broke in nicely. That's just my good for nothing opinion.
Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.
I'm at a point where I'm super anal about how my trucks fit on my board, and I've decided that 8.5 boards are not for me. Just too much real estate under the foot, and 149 indys on 8.25 just seems to throw off my 360 flips a lot compared to when I was riding krux 8.25 trucks for a bit, seems like I have to jump a lot more because the wider trucks slow the rotation down enough to mess with my fat ass. I know that they aren't 8.25� exact, but I'm hoping maybe it will be close enough to not screw with me.
Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.
Finally got around to setting up my 44's. My initial thoughts are that I like the height and the way that they grind, but the bushings are super firm. I'm planning on riding out the dreaded break in period, but do you Ace guys find that the Krux bushings are similar to Indy after markets in that they require way less break in time? If so I'll gladly pick some up. If not, I'm just going to stick it out with the stock bushings. They weren't as surfy as I expected first go, but I'm hoping once the bushings get broken in that will change.
Everyone is right about the Krux bushings in Ace. Its a perfect combo. On 44s, I use both Krux bushings. On 55s I use stock Ace bottom and top Krux.
No idea if Indys of the same duro work as well or not...
Are Ace's taller than a normal Indy?
Received my new Ace from SoCal to replace my loose kingpin.
I was surprised to see it was .38 specials... These nuts looks cheap and I immediately replaced them with standard ones.
It seems that they changed the formula of stock bushings or something, because they are not as white as the old one.
Maybe it changes from one batch to another, I don't know...
I'm going to send my "old" baseplate with loose kingpin to Ace and see what happen.
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?
I'm about to jump into this Krux Bushings Bandwagon. How short is the top Krux bushings compare to Ace? I just want put the nut on till it levels out at the last thread in. I don't want to have even a hint of kingpin sticking out of the nut.The krux top bushing is just a hair shorter than the ace bushings. I don't know the exact measurement but it's probably about a millimeter.
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?
All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.
Expand QuoteHow many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?[close]
I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.Expand QuoteAll redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.[close]
I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.
I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.
I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?
Expand QuoteHow many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?[close]
I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.Expand QuoteAll redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.[close]
I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.
I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.
I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.
Expand QuoteMy local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.[close]
Which one, you live in turku right?
Cheers, now i finally have a reason to go check that place out!Quote from: Krooked antihero link=topic=48056.msg2540206#msg2540206 date=1471978464Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.[close]
Which one, you live in turku right?[close]
Dylan's Trading
At least they've got them on their website. Haven't asked in the shop.
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.
^OG's
According to this table:That chart is helpful but I'm pretty sure the info is at least 2-3 years old and ACE beefed up their hangers not too long ago, so they're definitely a bit heavier now.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
That chart is helpful but I'm pretty sure the info is at least 2-3 years old and ACE beefed up their hangers not too long ago, so they're definitely a bit heavier now.Expand QuoteAccording to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.[close]
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).
Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.
Expand QuoteWord thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).
Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.[close]
Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.
But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?
Expand QuoteWord thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).
Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.[close]
Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.
But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?
Hey for you guys who run the krux or flipped kingpins....how do you keep the nut from spinning in the baseplate?
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.
It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.
Expand QuoteFor those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.
It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.[close]
I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.
It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.[close]
I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.[close]
I'm used to riding Indy and Thunder's finger tight on the axle nut. The decreased height of the Krux top bushing had me feeling weird about seeing so many threads (at least 3) on the kingpin nut. I haven't skated it yet, but randomly threw the stock Ace top bushings back on for no apparent reason but to have less threads sticking out. Should be able to get back out tomorrow night.
Been on the redesign 44's for almost a month. Really like the height, turn, and the feel on grinds. Hate the stock bushings, and wish a better manufacturer would make bushings in the same dimension ala Indy.
Expand QuoteFor those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.
It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.[close]
I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?
The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?
Expand Quotewhat does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?[close]
I swear there is a mom joke in there somewhere.
were the 38 specials part of the redesign?
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.
I just purchased a couple sets.
Expand QuoteIt appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.
I just purchased a couple sets.[close]
Holy. Fuck. Thank you.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.
I just purchased a couple sets.[close]
Holy. Fuck. Thank you.[close]
You're welcome man! The stock bushings on my transition board are finally broken in, and man am I ever loving these trucks all the more each session.
I would be down to try those magnesium baseplates if they weren't anodized. I can't deal with non silver trucks, which is kind of petty. On another note, I've been running Krux bottom bushings with Ace top bushings in my newish 44's, and think the stock bushings are pretty decent if you take the time to break them in.
Of course, right when I get my money situated and am ready to order the mag plates, warehouseskateboards no longer has them on there. I guess it's a sign?
Yeah I just got issued a full refund on the mag plates. It must have been an error on the site.. fucking bummer.
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates. Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.
Expand QuoteI suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates. Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones[close]
The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates. Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones[close]
The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.[close]
What would changing the kingpin have to do with preventing wobble? They wobble because the hole gets blown out in the baseplate. If anything the added stress of changing a kingpin would exacerbate the problem.
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.
Expand QuoteThe shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.[close]
Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.
I got some all black 44s for a good price, but they're not the redesigns. Can I use the redesign hangers on the old Ace baseplates and vice versa (I want to run black hangers with raw baseplates)? I'm guessing yes, since the redesign meant a beefed up hanger, not a change in the geometry right?
Also, did Ace introduce new bushings with the redesigns? By appearance I can't see a difference between the bushings from the old 44s and the new 44s.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.[close]
Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.[close]
Nah,Im in "Highrollers" and yea they have silver kingpins, wherabouts are you?
Expand QuoteDecided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.[close]
I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.
I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....Ace 44=8.38
Unless you have some strange prototype ace's that nobody else has, this is impossible.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDecided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.[close]
I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.[close]
Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
Unless you have some strange prototype ace's that nobody else has, this is impossible.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDecided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.[close]
I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.[close]
Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.[close]
Ace 44=8.38Expand QuoteI'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....[close]
8.0
Expand Quote8.0[close]
Thank you!
As much as I've been liking my ace's, I think I pretty much have to go back to thunders.
It's all about that geometry. Ace has that creamy buttery turn but can feel a little unstable. thunders turn is more of a tilt.. but I feel a lot more confident with the axles farther forward (as apposed to the axles being right under the baseplate).
I thought I could compensate by riding bigger decks, but I'm not going over 8.5, and hunting down WB numbers is a drag.
How far do Thunders push out the wheelbase compared to Ace or Indy?
From my eye ball estimate, going from ace 44 to thunder hollow lights adds almost an inch to the wheelbase. I couldn't find my tape measure!Thunder hollow lights - 17.25
Expand QuoteExpand Quote8.0[close]
Thank you![close]
It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote8.0[close]
Thank you![close]
It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.[close]
Oh no, that matters to be. There's a good difference between the 33's and 44's then. Will be trying the 44's more than likely then
Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?They are not.
They are not.Expand QuoteApologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?[close]
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?
Expand QuoteSo is the switch from indy to these worth it?[close]
Yeah.
but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable tho right?
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...
Thanks man im deffinitely gonna order a set nowExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo is the switch from indy to these worth it?[close]
Yeah.[close]
definitely , i was riding indy lows mainly cause of the deep indy carve/turn but with my low preference but the weight was killing me, all the shredders who rock standard indys full solid weight can tell you, me the world how weight doesnt matter but truthfully, it DOES matter cause when your getting a bit winded youll feel it. how much effort it takes just to try another trick. lighter trucks make it easier
to wrap it up, aces are like indys but lighter and quicker on the turn responseExpand Quotebut you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable tho right?[close]
i dont think so, since your riding thunder 149 if your curious imp i suggest try some 44 the new ones. they should be about the same height, probably lighter by a little, and trust me they turn just as quick as thunders but turn deeper than thunder by some. im loving my 03.
the ace stock bushings are kinda tight at first but give them time and they break in feeling like thunder bushngs, atleast thats how i feel. and like everyone says, the aces should shorten your wheel base or keep it at the length the board originally measured it to be rather than extend it like the thunders do.
dont get me wrong thunders are good if you want excellent response but if you want something between thunder and indy definitely ACE. in my opinion the krux bushing swap is just so they get a nice soft deep quick turn and response, i dont ride loose so i keep it in the middle with the stock(sorry if im repeating ahah) i have my trucks medium tight, i can still turn while cruising even on sharp corners, it just takes a little effort sometimes a tick tack but rarely
Expand Quoterob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...[close]
woah what size are 55s ?
i know 44 are 8.25
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
Anything else?Expand Quote44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.[close]
And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
Titanium axles?Anything else?Expand QuoteExpand Quote44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.[close]
And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.[close]
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
Expand Quote44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.[close]
Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size? Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better?
I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....
Expand QuoteExpand Quote44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.
If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.[close]
Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size? Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better?
I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....[close]
ACE have weird sizing for sure.
They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.
There isn't enough market for them. Theeve are arguably a better truck from a manu pov and the V1/v2 feel the same as ACE do (prototype theeves ran ACE plates ;) If they weren't almost $200 bucks a set I'd ride the tih.
Indy and Thunder dominate their respective styles, they have a legacy and people are reluctant to try new shit.
ACE have weird sizing for sure.
They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.
Expand Quotedoes anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.[close]
Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotedoes anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.[close]
Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.[close]
good to hear. I was a little worried about that .13 mm extra but it's probably not even noticeable.
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
Expand QuoteI ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....[close]
I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
Expand QuoteI ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....[close]
I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....[close]
I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?[close]
went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....[close]
I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?[close]
went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?[close]
Mental/OCD
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....[close]
I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?[close]
went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?[close]
Mental/OCD[close]
ditto... Cannot see trucks from above ( maybe a little wheel nut ) or I can't skate. Also trucks cannot be too small and go all magic carpet ride. Everything else in my little world I am ok with. Except colored wheels. And white dipped boards. And colored grip tape. And red top stains or blue bottom stains. Everything is ok.
44s on 8.18 is my new favourite combo.
I'm back on my second set of Aces. I went from Indy stage9's to Ace......wanted to try Indy stage 10's..... did..... and went back to Aces. It's like homecoming. I'll bounce from 8.25 to 8.38 with 44's and it works out dandy for me. I usually swap out to softer conical bushings but I'm almost thinking about going back to the stock ace bushings for a little more stability with the bottom barrel. (the older and heavier I get the less I need loose trucks I guess)
On both pairs I've had/currently have I always bend the axles a little but it doesn't bother me for some reason. If they could strengthen the axle without changing the hangar, that would be sick.
I like the way they look and its always cool to see some footy pop up with other ACE pilots.
They've been coming with smaller axle nuts that don't have the same plastic insert locking mechanism as before. It uses the same socket size as mounting hardware (10/32) and it IS still considered a "lock nut" just without the plastic. They're kinda cool just for flavor sake.
Your mom likes em'
Someone claimed they've bent their newer designed Ace's but they haven't posted a picture yet. If it's you and you're reading this, do it.
What you did was squeeze the bearings in properly. I always do this so they sit right in the wheel. Another thing you could do is only use the outside washer. As Ace have the tapered hangar you don't need an inside washer. That will also give you more thread... Just a thought....I was taught this as just a young little grom at my local shit hole skateshop....RIP shit hole skateshop, RIP.
The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.
I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.
Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.
Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.
Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)Expand QuoteThe turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.
I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.
Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.
Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.[close]
Glad to hear they can still be somewhat stable. I had THeeve V1s which were basically aces and I loved the turn so much but I want to be able to roll and do a trick with thinking about it/trying to focus on being nimble if that makes sense.
Oh and if it helps, I ride my trucks in between medium and floppy loose. Loose but when you turn the bard over and press all the way on a wheel it's about an inch or so from wheelbite.
Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)
Krux are softer and the top bushing is a little bit shorter. So you can tighten your nut down enough to keep it from falling off while not making your trucks get tighter.QuoteExpand QuoteGet the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)[close]
Hey, I see people recommending krux bushings all the time with them, but could you be more specific on what they do bring to the table?
I ride ace 44s gen 1 stock on an 8.25, with the nut flush on the kingpin and they feel REAL good even from the start (i'm about ~65kg also, so i guess pretty average weight).
I believe the top and lower ace bushings are different duros as well as they aren't exactly the same color (don't even look to be made out of the same urethane if that makes sense).
So, are krux softer? or is it something else ?
Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.
Good call!!! ;DExpand QuoteMucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.[close]
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Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.
Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.Expand QuoteJust ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.
Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?[close]
That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.
Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?[close]
That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.[close]
However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.
Yeah I ordered from SW.Expand QuoteYeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.
Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?[close]
That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.[close]
However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.[close]
Skate warehouse complete builder? Sounds like it...doesn't let you put crazy combos together, e.g., 7.5" deck and ACE 55s.
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.
Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.
Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
Does anyone know if a "high" hanger can sit on a "low" Ace baseplate as long as I swap the kingpin out to a "high" one or a Krux pin? Or is the "low" baseplate a different geometry that can't fit "high" hangers?
Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.
Expand QuoteStarted to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.[close]
Did you just have spare hangers lying around or did you buy just hangers? Copped a set of the mag baseplates and am wondering if its possible to buy just hangers rather than the entire truck.
Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch
Expand QuoteCan someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch[close]
Get a hammer and knock the original kingpin out. The rest is straightforward, you may need the krux bushings because the ace stock bushings could be a bit tall. Note that there isn't anything to hold the nut on the underside of the baseplate, so tightening it down a lot may be tricky, and when you do, it could sometimes loosen back up. Also adjusting in general is annoying. Can be solved with loctite though. I think it's worth it though, the Kingpin clearance you get is ridiculous.
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.
Expand Quotejeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.[close]
Nah, they're good to rip stock.
I've never had a problem with Ace pivot cups and the stock bushings are great quality also. I change mine out of personable preference but they come ready to go unless you dwell on this thread too often.
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.They did.
They did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close]
Expand QuoteThey did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close][close]
they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close][close]
they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.[close]
Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close][close]
they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.[close]
Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts[close]
Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close][close]
they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.[close]
Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts[close]
Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.[close]
You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.
But maybe yours were actually bent?
Can you put your wheels on?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close][close]
they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.[close]
Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts[close]
Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.[close]
You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.
But maybe yours were actually bent?[close]
well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
Can you put your wheels on?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThey did.Expand Quoteall the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.[close][close]
they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.[close]
Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts[close]
Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.[close]
You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.
But maybe yours were actually bent?[close]
well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.[close]
I have some 44's (raw) with krux bushings that have been lightly skated that im willing to part ways with. hit me with a pm if youre interestedsee my classifieds post about the eS' seslas and let me know if you're down for a trade
How do you guys put those inverted kingpin on Aces ?
Also, I broke my pivot cups, changed them with the Krux but they seem to tight. I also had to cut them because they were too long but that's not really a problem. What pivot cup do you use to replace Aces ?
It's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine
adding onto j.soyExpand QuoteIt's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine[close]
How do you know they don't have problems?
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?
Expand QuoteI was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?[close]
It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.
EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?[close]
It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.
EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).[close]
Good looking out, guys. I missed the low distinction.
Anyone skate 44's on 8.0 boards? I want to try ace's again, havn't had it since I got 03's their first year, which I bent in the first few days, so I want the beefier hanger.
I know it‘s been discussed here but can‘t remember if it‘s been solved. Anyway I figured out why some Aces make that anoying squeaking sound and how to fix it! I love how aces turn and feel, but this almost made me ditch them again.
But i finally realized the problem is the pivot cup moving in its socket. So I took them out, put some shoegoo in (the holes where the cups go), put the pivot cups back in and voilá - no more squeaking!
Such a relief after messing with my bushings and pivot cups forever to get rid of it.
Hope it helps if you have the same problem.
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but what about when you have to replace your pivot cups? won't there be stuff stuck in the pivot hole?
Having to buy a new set of trucks after leaving my board on a train so...
How come no ones doing the bones bushings in aces? Thats what I put in there and they worked. (I'd still ride those but there bent)
Do the axles still slip?
Expand QuoteDo the axles still slip?[close]
I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo the axles still slip?[close]
I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.[close]
Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo the axles still slip?[close]
I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.[close]
Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.[close]
I’m not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but I’ve skated 2 sets of 03’s, a set of 44’s and a set of 55’s with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. We’re you riding an older set?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo the axles still slip?[close]
I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.[close]
Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.[close]
I’m not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but I’ve skated 2 sets of 03’s, a set of 44’s and a set of 55’s with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. We’re you riding an older set?
Are Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter
Ohh okay, I like the sound of that. I know Krux and Indy stock bushings supposedly have the same duro but Krux are definitely harder. I'm most likely gonna pick up a new complete w/ Aces so I can't wait to see how they feelExpand QuoteAre Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter[close]
Same bottom barrel height, ACE tops are much taller than krux (and pretty much everything else); Krux are softer (and same duro top and bottom), ACE used to be different duros, not sure about now.
Thanks for the help guys. Just going to keep everything stockI'm UK and pretty certain I got my krux from Amazon matey : EDIT Just seen postage, I didnt pay that much :( https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skateboard-Accessories-Krux-Cushions-Bushings/dp/B01BWN3OCE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511668659&sr=8-1&keywords=krux+bushings
Been thinking about trying out aces for a while now. I'm currently having my semi annual truck/board size crisis and have been thinking about stepping back down to a 8 from an 8.25. I usually rock the indy aftermarket super soft bushings in any truck I ride. Anyone ever put them in aces? Also, anyone currently riding the 33s? I feel like i mostly see the 44s and up on here.
Are the separate krux bushings different from the ones that come stock with their trucks? I tried running krux this time last year and couldn't get those things to break in for the life of me, way too hard.
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys
they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore. I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.
Just an update for anyone that cares: Ace has now eliminated the curved hanger and they are straight just like every truck out there. The 3/8” axle nuts are no longer included on the trucks, either. They’re back to regular nylock axle nuts.
thanks for that, I heard the new ones are stronger and am scared the skate warehouse ones are the old ones. If ace don't have new ones I might oreder the skate warehouse onesExpand Quotethey don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore. I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.[close]
Skate Warehouse has them.
3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.
Has anyone skated the low Ace 03’s? How do they turn/grind compared to the hi’s? Looks like the kingpin is longer.
I've had good luck with mine, too. Replaced the axle nuts in a few setups to these and none of them have fallen off.Expand Quote3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.[close]
For the record, i've been riding trucks with these since march and not a once have they come off
Just adding on here but fuck the 38 specials. I was on a mellow downhill and i see my nut fly off and 2 seconds later my wheel flys off and i barely missed eating pavement.
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them
Nah there's a little axle sticking out on all of themExpand QuoteYikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them[close]
Have you got them axle flush or a little poking out? because sitting flush they dont work
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!They are indeed 8.875
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!
Expand QuoteI'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks![close]
I made the switch, flip tricks for sure feel different and take some getting used to even on the same deck, it really switches up the wheelbase. Aces are stable for sure, but turn easily and it's a much deeper turn, so it's a different sensation from Thunders. I think you'll be stoked on the switch though, plus you get to show everyone at the park how cool you are by skating the widest and loosest trucks.
I never noticed when I saw the new ones in the flesh, but now that I’m seeing a bunch of photos of the newly released Ace’s, they kinda made the hanger look a bit like a Theeve now, which I’m not sure if I like because Ace always had a distinct look and shape. The 33’s also have a wider “V” stemming from the pivot up to the hanger, for anyone that cares who nerds out on stupid crap like me.
Thanks for the post LRFC! Didn’t even know they had their website up and running...finally. So they’re 52mm tall??? Always thought they were at 53mm? Seems like after all this time they’re really striving to get their shit together and it’s nice they’ve come out with actual info on their metal quality and specifications.
Ive truly fucked myself. I can't ride any other trucks. Quality control be damned. I'll risk it for Ace.
I wonder what the new 'classic' tagline means...
52mm?
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!the krux bushings are a game changer fasho
the krux bushings are a game changer fashoExpand QuoteBought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick![close]
Expand Quotethe krux bushings are a game changer fashoExpand QuoteBought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick![close][close]
Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.
Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?
" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."
Has anyone tried the new design yet to compare/contrast to the older design? I rode an older model 33 and they were great but the axle nuts kept loosening and popping off, causing me to slam and then search for the lock nuts, so I traded them in for Indys. The Indys are great but feel so tight and un-flowy now.
Sorry if I’ve already asked this question, but since I’ve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Ace’s from slappies, does anyone who’s used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?mag plates will break easier. one of the reasons that ace stopped making them is because they would often crack in transit
Saw this guy on the threads a while ago and he showed up on the related videos and I figured why not post it here
P.S. He's on to us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWp3VJn7tE
Krux are nice right off the bat but the stock bushings are amazing once you break them in. They just take forever to break in.Expand Quotethe krux bushings are a game changer fashoExpand QuoteBought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick![close][close]
Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...
mag plates will break easier. one of the reasons that ace stopped making them is because they would often crack in transitExpand QuoteSorry if I’ve already asked this question, but since I’ve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Ace’s from slappies, does anyone who’s used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?[close]
Expand QuoteI'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.
Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?
" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."[close]
If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.
Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?
" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."[close]
If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.[close]
For some reason I like that they only have the real boy shit and that's what you have to ride, no hollow light shiny zumiez kid gear.
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale. They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape. I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose. I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit. I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out? Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.
Expand QuoteI picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale. They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape. I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose. I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit. I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out? Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.[close]
I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale. They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape. I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose. I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit. I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out? Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.[close]
I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE[close]
I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.
I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale. They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape. I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose. I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit. I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out? Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.[close]
I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE[close]
I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.
I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...[close]
Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale. They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape. I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose. I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit. I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out? Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.[close]
I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE[close]
I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.
I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...[close]
Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?[close]
I'f you're fitting to get wild get the riptide pivot cups. They are fucking orgasmic. I've got them in my 44's and 66's. They make turns so much more buttery I was seriously surprised. But I've also trimmed down the kruk pivot cups by sanding them down on some grip of an old board and it took fucking forever, but they were still pretty good.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale. They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape. I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose. I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit. I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out? Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.[close]
I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE[close]
I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.
I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...[close]
Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
Expand QuoteSo I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.[close]
Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.[close]
Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.[close]
I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.[close]
Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.[close]
I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones![close]
I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.[close]
Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.[close]
I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones![close]
I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings![close]
I find them much to hard.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.[close]
Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.[close]
I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones![close]
I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings![close]
I find them much to hard.[close]
If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top? I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.[close]
Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.[close]
I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones![close]
I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings![close]
I find them much to hard.[close]
If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175[close]
I hover about around 180 but I like my trucks looseygoosey.
You can tell the new ones by just looking at the V stemming from the pivot. Is has a different look to it now, almost looks like a theeve.
I still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
How are ace's out of the box, specifically the 44's? I've had my thunders for three years now and whilst I really like them and the groove i've worn into them at this point they're just a headache; snapped a kingpin, replaced it but it's never really sat right in the hole causing the back truck to occasionally freak the fuck out and wobble, mounting holes are fairly worn out too. bought one of the rebuild kits in the hope it'd sort it out but the back ends still dodgy so I just want some trucks I can slap on and not have to worry about.
https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ace-44s-raw-skateboard-truck-5-75-p6473
Expand QuoteI still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.[close]
http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/
It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.[close]
http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/
It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.[close]
Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.
Ace heading to Ermico?if they do then they’d be better trucks then Indys.
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a shit but c'mon, basic maths)
And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.[close]
http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/
It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.[close]
Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.[close]
Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI still really want mag plates even though I’ll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.[close]
http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/
It’s a Swedish shop though, so if you’re outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.[close]
Damn! Yeah man I’m in the USA and don’t even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.[close]
Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/[close]
I contacted him and he’s a super nice guy, great customer service. However, after shipping it’s $50 in USD here which is the price of a brand new pair of trucks. Not worth it for baseplates I’ll most likely break.
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a shit but c'mon, basic maths)
And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"
Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?
Expand QuoteAnyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?[close]
Might be someone elses board? I also noticed AA skating some aces in hockey ii but pretty sure hes also on indy.
Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/those look like a rejected krux colorway.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
those look like a rejected krux colorway.Expand QuoteHave you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart[close]
Haha, yeah skating colored trucks would make me feel like I was a toddler. Skating those...yeesh. Although I will say Ace is the only company making a copper colorway truck. I kinda dig it.
I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have tofuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).
Expand QuoteI've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have tofuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).[close]
I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.
Expand QuoteI'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.[close]
Khiro pivots don’t fit Ace’s properly. I know they’re expensive but get Riptide’s Ace pivots. Those with whatever your favorite bushings are in your Ace’s turn them into the greatest truck you will ever experience. I keep stock Ace bottom’s and a shorter top like a Krux or Indy.
how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?
I just bought a Primewood Dune Monster shape board (9.38 x 31.75) and been thinking about trying some Aces for it. Do you think the 55s would be enough with some wide wheels?
Been riding Indys for ten years and the change is scaring me
Expand Quotehow do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?[close]
The bottom where they connect to the baseplate is wider and they are straight on the edge where the wheels are, if they are rounded they are the old ones
Here's some info about their updates:
(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-4.jpg)
https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/
I've only had their second run of trucks (the ones where they only beefed up the wings). It'll be interesting to see how these go.
If I get my first pair of Aces should I immediately switch to the krux inverted kingpin or go stock? I skate in the medium to tight spectrum.
Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2’s are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?
are Ace the only ones doing different duro top and bottom bushings as stock?
Expand QuoteYeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2’s are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?[close]
Yes.
God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.
Expand QuoteGod dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.[close]
I was on the stock stage 2 aces then decided to give that exact venture hi super soft combo out and the aces have a way sharper and deeper carve. The ace shortened WB on 14.38 - 14.5 WB boards feel very similar to a venture hi on a 14 - 14.12. That sweet spot with aces on a 14.25 is hard to beat.
The new pivot cups don't hold up as well as the Khiro replacements. Baseplate mounting holes oval out quick too. Tried all the bushing combos including some Khiro and venom combos and the new stock ace bushings are the best so far. Going to try and take it further and replicate the odd 86a bottom and 91a top combo with other mismatched replacements. Also has anyone tried conical bottom bushings on aces??
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.
If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.
Expand QuoteI'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.
If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.[close]
It’s funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha
Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if it’s tight it’s tight if it’s loose it’s loose not, it’s loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out
I know that’s what would be best but I’m not use to my trucks having double action
Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149’s
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.
If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.[close]
It’s funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha
Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if it’s tight it’s tight if it’s loose it’s loose not, it’s loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out
I know that’s what would be best but I’m not use to my trucks having double action
Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149’s[close]
Are the dohdoh barrels the same size as the stock aces? How were the 92s? I've had the Indy 92 blue replacements and the bottoms were shy from stock size, wondering if the dohdohs are a go.
So, can you run them with the Doh Doh barrel bottom?
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?
Expand Quotequick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?[close]
I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.
But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotequick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?[close]
I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.
But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.[close]
I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and I´d like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything that´s better for the Krux´s geometry.
Any recommendations?
Expand QuoteExpand Quotequick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?[close]
I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.
But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.[close]
I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and I´d like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything that´s better for the Krux´s geometry.
Any recommendations?
Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??I'm all for gear madness, I have it to a degree, but this is too much now.
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...
When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height
But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...
Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips
Anybody successfully warranty their trucks without a receipt? My 44s have a loose kingpin and I don’t have the receipt anymore.
Did they lower the newer aces or have they always been 52mm? I think some sites used to claim 53.5mm height, no?
Expand QuoteHaha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...
When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height
But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...
Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips[close]
Tbh I feel very little difference between the lows and their standard height offering.
I mostly skate the lows personally.
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...
When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn they’re amazing with this 52mm height
But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indy’s was better for me...
Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips
I'm all for gear madness, I have it to a degree, but this is too much now.Expand QuoteHas anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??[close]
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.
I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.
On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
Expand QuoteI had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.
I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.
On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.[close]
Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.
I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.
On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.[close]
Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them[close]
Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.
(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.
I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.
On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.[close]
Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them[close]
Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.
(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.
I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.
On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.[close]
Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause I’m considering getting a set cause they’re gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them[close]
Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.
(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)[close]
Nice! Thanks for the post! Last favor, could you compare the hangar/axle length to another 8” truck you have and tell me if the 33 are exactly an 8 or 7.8?
Cause I just got my 03 and turns out even though branded 03/33 as an 8” these are actually 7.8 and I’m wondering are the 33 also 7.8
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)
Naw I’m just fucking around with everyone’s gear madness dropping misinformation, I pulled that shit out of my ass. I thought it was robs setup with the lock-ins. I am full of shit.(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)Expand QuoteLock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.[close]
Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
This is my first set of Lock-Ins, so I will def keep that in consideration. I know the outer edge of the wheel sticks out a bit. However the bearing seats have the same depth and appear centered, so it may not be much of an issue. I also don't mind riding them with the flat side out if they start coning later on. If my bearings explode, I'll report back...
Oh, and I put my trucks up against a pair of Thunder 147's and the Aces look a little shorter, which makes me think they are under 8". (Not by much though)
I’ve got a strange curiousity about trying 44’s on an 8” deck. I mean I ride 03’s on 8-8.25” no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33’s.
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
Expand QuoteAlright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?[close]
Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.
They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAlright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?[close]
Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.
They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).[close]
Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAlright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?[close]
Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.
They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).[close]
Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose[close]
Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAlright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?[close]
Ace’s have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.
They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).[close]
Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!
Expand QuoteIf anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands![close]
This is encouraging. I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter... I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in. Psyched to try them out.
Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way. Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands![close]
This is encouraging. I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter... I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in. Psyched to try them out.
Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way. Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.[close]
Just a heads up on my experience with them this week. They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there. After that, you're golden
I did it, Yeah :) ... To be continued :)
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...
Expand QuoteMeanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...[close]
I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc. I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side. I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey.
I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
Expand Quoteyo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc. I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side. I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey.
I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.[close]
Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc. I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side. I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey.
I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!
Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.
How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!
Expand Quote404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!
Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.
How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there![close]
- Hammer the kingpin out
- Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
- Hammer the kingpin back in
- Let it dry
- Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again
Expand QuoteExpand Quote404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!
Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.
How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there![close]
- Hammer the kingpin out
- Put some “steel epoxy” (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
- Hammer the kingpin back in
- Let it dry
- Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again
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You're the fuckin man
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on. A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in. This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.
If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what. you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones
Expand Quoteyo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc. I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side. I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey.
I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.[close]
Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.
ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....
Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:
ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me. I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks. I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen. If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice. I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.
Expand QuoteWell, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me. I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks. I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen. If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice. I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.[close]
ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteyo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc. I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side. I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey.
I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.[close]
Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.
ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....
Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:
ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.[close]
Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.
I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts? Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasn’t fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44’s from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55’s had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasn’t as bad as the 44’s but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.I tried to order a set of the new classics to see the differences just two weeks ago, when they came and I mounted them something was off and I couldn’t figure it out, the front truck was not straight and I thought my brand new deck was warped and I got all bummed, switched to my old deck and the same problem, turns out the mounting holes on the baseplate weren’t drilled properly so the truck sat slightly off centre. I could have used my old baseplates I guess but I just returned them. I have however been rocking a set of ace 44 problem free for a year now and I genuinely enjoy them so I can’t say it’s been all bad.
Worst thing I’ve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.
Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups ;D ;D ;DI'm pretty sure that picture is from an instagram post of Julien Stranger's trucks.
(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)
Also, on their site:
"T-shirt & Trucks ($69.99/up) Free Shipping on U.S. Orders"
Add one set of (raw) trucks and one shirt to the cart and guess what the total is?
$68.99 :P - I'm a fan but that's pretty fucking weak...
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups ;D ;D ;DThat's what happens when you skate. Everyone blows out pivot cups if you're doing it right.
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups ;D ;D ;D
(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.Do you live in Canada? If so I’ll send you some for free. If not just pay the shipping. Dm me.
i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?
Expand Quotei've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?[close]
Had you read through this thread you would have found that ACEs no longer have a bending issue; just be sure if you buy them that you are getting NEW stock (you can read this thread to help you figure out what that means).
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.
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I weigh 95 kg currently :'( and ride only Aces.Im at 116 kg right now. Lol but i was skating some stage 7 indys that I had around. I also have some Titanium Thunders 149 with the raised baseplate. I used to get wheelbite a lot with older thunders might try these out. But Ill probably go back to the stage 7 indys. Such a shame they are getting harder to find and fucking expensive.
210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now I’m addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels.
Expand Quote210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now I’m addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels.[close]
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Getting trucks from Skate Warehouse. They say 8.25. Are these 44s?
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?
Expand Quotehow much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?[close]
you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/€35 inc. postage
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehow much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?[close]
you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/€35 inc. postage[close]
Good fucking deal!
I may be interested in buying a set of mag plates off someone if they aren’t too beat up. Located in USA. PM me if you do, thanks.
I got my trucks yesterday from Noot, how many people did he buy trucks for? Was Nootnoot Rodney Mullen?Damn Noot hooking it up before disappearing... almost like a skate Santa or something...
What did you use to remove it?
There's been some big guys (200+) on here of late running Aces so I wanted to offer up Doh Dohs as a worthwhile option to explore. Someone - probably Rob? - mentioned a while back they fit pretty well in Aces, albeit with an extra thread showing due to a slightly shorter top bushing. I've been experimenting with Ace setups (stock, Krux, Bones) and I'm really feeling black (100a) Doh Dohs; even tightened a bit extra there's plenty of turn without the floppiness I (220ish) was getting with Krux bushings.
Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?
Expand QuoteSorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?[close]
Not sure about the first one, I usually just trim risers if need be, easy with soft ones I guess. With the old aces, the top bushing was a bit tall for the krux pin so unless you tried very hard, you had to shave a bit. I think the new ones are the same though I am not certain.
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site
Expand QuoteSocal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site[close]
Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSocal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site[close]
Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?[close]
I'd say they found a box out back somewhere
Those mag baseplates should be compatible with the new hangers, yeah?
Probably only changed the hangers.
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That's my guess.
I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteProbably only changed the hangers.[close]
That's my guess.
I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.[close]
I'm gonna grab some just to have some - also, speaking of Theeve, I just got my hands on some used Tihangers - I know the geo's are diff., but I'd still like to see how it feels to have the TiH on the mag plate.
I wish Theeve still sold the TiBolts
It's all placebo effect, but i go in in a big wayExpand Quote
I wish Theeve still sold the TiBolts[close]
I missed out on the plates. Why can’t they just make them again?
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*
Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...They should harden up after a few sessions. Don’t be afraid to tighten em down once you feel them starting to bounce back.
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*
Just got my first set of Ace 44s. Looking forward to trying them. Gonna set them up today!You'll love them. Best truck ever.
Expand QuoteAnyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*[close]
I had this on Indys, switched to Aces, had it on my last pair of Aces too.
I guess it just happens, the hanger is molded on the axle, so there's nothing to prevent this...
I just set up my third set of 44s. My last two sets lasted a year and then the axles slipped. On the first set both axles slipped, and on the second set only one axle slipped.
Is axle slip more likely to happen if you skate trucks that are wider than your board? I skate 44s on 8 and 8.125.
I'd rather set up a new set of Aces every year than have the same old slow turning Indies for a couple of years.
Three speed rings on the inside, one outside, and flip those axle nuts. No axle slip ever again.I've heard of people doing both of those (speed ring trick and flipped axle nuts) before but never knew the purpose. Does this really help axle slip, and if it does, does anyone know how or why?
They should harden up after a few sessions. Don’t be afraid to tighten em down once you feel them starting to bounce back.Expand QuoteMan. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...[close]
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.
Expand Quotehas anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.[close]
yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehas anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.[close]
yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.[close]
Thank you bro i appreciate it!
My local park is an all tranny park so it wont be an issue
Expand Quotehas anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.[close]
yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them.
Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them.I don’t skate loose trucks at all, after the first two sessions the stock bushings stiffened up just fine. I tightened them maybe 1/4-1/2 turn on each truck and haven’t messed with them since. I would give the stock bushings a good week or two before you switch them out.
Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?
Just out of curiosity, what wheelbase board do you guys find best with ace?
I like 14.25, but have had nose and tail lengths affect that sweet spot.
Anyone loyal to one board brand/dimension with the aces?
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.
Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.
I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)
Expand QuoteI rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.
Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.
I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)[close]
On this note.
I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.
Love my Ace trucks though!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.
Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.
I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)[close]
On this note.
I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.
Love my Ace trucks though![close]
On shorter WB boards with ACE/Indy/Theeve I find I put my front much further up, sometimes right at the edge of the kick when skating bowls vs just behind the first set of bolts on loner WB.
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
Expand QuoteDoes anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang[close]
I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang[close]
I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?[close]
Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?[close]
Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D[close]
why?
Been skating since forever and a day, never heard of flipping axle nuts around.
Back when indy and thunder would slip all the time Stage III+ spacers and rings to keep the nuts flush at the tip of the axle and zero play with the wheels was the only way to keep slip at bay. Probably still works.
With ACE'sQC, it's usually impossible to get three rings on each side.
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I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?[close]
Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D[close]
why?[close]
hotroddin sucks son thats why
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang[close]
I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?[close]
Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D[close]
why?[close]
hotroddin sucks son thats why[close]
doesnt bother me what anyone else does
Just had my second sesh on the new 44s after coming off of thunder 149s
Honestly it took me longer to get used to the pop of thunders after half a lifetime on Indys
44s feel good but those bushings need to harden up sometime soon, defs fun for just cruising around though
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?
independent aftermarket and khiro smalls definitely don't fit. haven't tried the softs though, maybe they stretch to fit? the only ones i've tried that do fit are minilogos but they're straight up plastic. absolute garbage. does anybody know if khiro large fits? perhaps some less obscure longboard company? that or i'll try gluing the stock cups in and pouring oil.Expand Quotei've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?[close]
what pivot cups fit ace other than ace or riptide?
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?
do you mean in a qc sense or are the mags weaker in general?Expand Quotei've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?[close]
Ace Mag plates are prone to breaking. With that being said mine are still going fucking strong.
I’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.
I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
The top of a Khiro small pivot cup won't be flush with the baseplate like the stock one would be, but I couldn't tell if there was any problem because of that. The trucks felt fine.
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what pivot cups are best?
what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.Expand QuoteI’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.
I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.[close]
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier. the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.
Expand Quotewhat's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.Expand QuoteI’ve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2’s. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and they’re not thin or weak.
I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44’s with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.[close][close]
Stage 1’s had lots of quality control issues, especially bending. Stage 2’s we’re beefed up hangers and fixed bending for the most part, along with new stock bushings which were really hard. Then stage 2.5’s were basically just 2’s with stock .38 axle nuts and the same super hard stock bushings. Stage 3’s are the current ones with even more beefed up hangers, better quality control, softer durometer and bright white stock bushings, and normal axle nuts.
both times i broke the trucks, i was riding stock bushings with the bottom washer. i suspect the reason they broke was because i ride my front truck wobbly loose. the up down play might have had something to do with it.Expand Quoteso that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier. the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.[close]
Are you using the stock bushings? People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break.
I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.
Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
both times i broke the trucks, i was riding stock bushings with the bottom washer. i suspect the reason they broke was because i ride my front truck wobbly loose. the up down play might have had something to do with it.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteso that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier. the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.[close]
Are you using the stock bushings? People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break.
I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.
Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum[close]
are they actually weaker? i think i read somewhere that they were stronger, lighter, and had a slightly shorter kingpin. i believed this since i've never seen a broken mag baseplate before. i've also never seen broken baseplates with someone who rides the stock bushings without bottom washers or bones without bottom washers. also, is magnesium a weaker material or do the mag baseplates have a reputation of breaking?
Ace just needs to come out with a forged baseplate, inverted [I'll settle for a hollow] kingpin and hollow axle
I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5
Expand QuoteI should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5[close]
I've done it before and it was fine, didn't bother me at all. Just don't think about it too much or the madness will get to you.
how can you tell what 'stage' aces you have?
i've seen 3 versions. there's one with the tapered hanger and only one speedring, then a 'normal' hanger with two speedrings, and of course the latest ones with that are textured
I'm sure it's covered in here somewhere but are the axels still slipping, hangers bending, bolts still falling off? Regardless of that stuff I've heard they skate well so don't want to buy a set unless that's been sorted.
so i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.
cost too much and nobody has em in stock.Expand Quoteso i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.[close]
Try Theeve. Seriously.
cost too much and nobody has em in stock.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteso i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.[close]
Try Theeve. Seriously.[close]
csx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.Expand Quotecost too much and nobody has em in stock.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteso i just learned that standard indys are not forged. i have never broken indys in any way ever. that means it's either shitty materials or the geometry is broken. i've spent too much time and money on aces only to have them break the same way twice. the only things i like about aces that indys can't do is turn good and stay on center . if indy can just do these two things that they did 40 years ago me and many others would be very pleased. but no, i have to ride a frankenstein truck with ace hangers and indy baseplates and still be frustrated at the lousy turning.[close]
Try Theeve. Seriously.[close][close]
Skate warehouse has'em; you can get the CSX if cost is an issue and you don't care about weight, otherwise /TiAX is also a good choice.
People hate on them but most haven't skated them.
csx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.Fake bones are pretty good, in between medium and hard if you ask me. TiAX are super light, probably stronger too
Yea but are they worth the price of five boards?Fake bones are pretty good, in between medium and hard if you ask me. TiAX are super light, probably stronger tooExpand Quotecsx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.[close]
Yea but are they worth the price of five boards?Can you buy 5 boards for $50?
Ah I was confusing them for the TiHanger, carry onCan you buy 5 boards for $50?Expand QuoteYea but are they worth the price of five boards?[close]
Fake bones are pretty good, in between medium and hard if you ask me. TiAX are super light, probably stronger tooExpand Quotecsx looks like what i imagine ace would look like if they continue beefing up the hanger. i think i'll get the 6.5s. is there anything to look out for with theeves? i've heard they use fake bones bushings, are they any good? also, is TIAX stronger than standard ones? if theeve is everything slap says it is, then i might be a lifer.[close]
o shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.
so do theeve have the same wheelbase shortening design as ace? as in, if i was riding a 15in wheelbase board with aces, would theeves feel the same? are there any weaknesses specific to theeves? i'm also a bit confused at the oval yoke. wouldn't that limit the turn? i don't quite understand how it would work without the kingpin grinding against it, making it more of a circle.
also, i think lee ralph rides for them now. i think he rode for ace?
https://www.theevetrucks.com/catalogue
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3TFrrB0xc/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ny8ifs633g9r
o shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.
i have good memory…about skaters i like. that's the important part. also you care enough to comment on it.Expand Quoteo shit. i remember when raybourn rode for slave, i path, theeve, and landshark. in fact, i remember when he rode for 1031. he was so rad. i idolized him and nolan johnson. i kinda miss old ben.[close]
u convinced us that you have a good memory. nobody cares.
How well do Krux kingpins fit into Ace? Do you have to remove them off the board to adjust?
alex olson of indy on ace?took a break from vegan_alkaline_news then I see?
source: olsonstuff instagram story
took a break from vegan_alkaline_news then I see?Expand Quotealex olson of indy on ace?
source: olsonstuff instagram story[close]
So, I’m planning to switch my indy 149’s to ace 44’s. I’ve been riding 14” wheelbase lately, and I’ve heard that aces shrunk down wb so should I get a board with longer wb with them to get similar ride as with indys?
So, I’m planning to switch my indy 149’s to ace 44’s. I’ve been riding 14” wheelbase lately, and I’ve heard that aces shrunk down wb so should I get a board with longer wb with them to get similar ride as with indys?when you put indys and ace side to side, the axle is basically in the same spot, relative to the length of the base plate. the difference is, ace have the mounting holes more outwards (towards the nose) which makes the whole truck go inwards. this not only makes the wheelbase shorter, but also makes the space between the axle and the kick up on the tail longer, making the tail feel lighter. the difference is only a few millimetres, but in skateboarding, especially trucks, that makes a huge difference.
^^ Aces on the DLX 8.06 14.38 and 14.4 WB shapes have a perfect light, snappy, and controlled pop like Indy. The daan full shape 8.06 x 31.91 14.4wb deck was perfect with aces.
Expand Quote^^ Aces on the DLX 8.06 14.38 and 14.4 WB shapes have a perfect light, snappy, and controlled pop like Indy. The daan full shape 8.06 x 31.91 14.4wb deck was perfect with aces.[close]
Yup. The ACE/Indy/Theeve 'pull in' work amazing on 14.3x-14.4. This is why I have such an issue with board dimensions. That wheelbase is made by so few companies.
both latest version 44s and 33s axels bent.Bought my daughter a pair of the "purple coping eaters" 44 and one of the axles is so bent I can barely get a bearing on it... Kinda disappointing
i'm back on a set of indys again, kinda over the quality issue man!
Something tells me there might be an Ace truck between 44s and 55s on the horizon.
What the fuck more do you want from a year of skated trucks. These things aren’t bulletproof
His issue isn't grinding them down it's axle slip which is way more common. Indy's are the highest quality so it isn't surprising but waxed ledges and you got 60 more hours to go for a year. Maybe you develop axle slip in that timespan? Maybe Indy's really are WW2 vets and aces are millenials retiring due to workplace anxiety at 45 I dunno you could be right but we also don't know the mission specifics. It could've been a really really stressfull career for them meanwhile your Indy's got paid paternity leave and the office had a nutritionist wow good for them enjoy the pension and carefree old age.QuoteExpand QuoteWhat the fuck more do you want from a year of skated trucks. These things aren’t bulletproof[close]
Damn, i'm skating 20 hours a week, and after 9 months of waxed ledges, my Indys are far from being ground down.
I’ve had three sets of Aces and all of them have got axle slip just after a year. I’ve never had axle slip on any other trucks. Yet I keep buying them...
Indies used to last me at least 2 years before something went wrong. I haven’t tried the new Aces (v3?) yet, hopefully they will hold up a little longer.
this may seem like a dumb question but
whats an axle slip??
Just picked up the 44 and theyre my first pair of aces and they turn amazing straight off the shelves. Feel like ive been missing out, but u guys are worrying me with the bent truck and axle slip comments
Expand Quotethis may seem like a dumb question but
whats an axle slip??
Just picked up the 44 and theyre my first pair of aces and they turn amazing straight off the shelves. Feel like ive been missing out, but u guys are worrying me with the bent truck and axle slip comments[close]
Axle slip is when the axle shifts inside the hanger causing it to be off center. It usually happens (but not always) when you do a lot of flip tricks and the board lands primo shifting the axle inside the hanger. A sign will be that one wheel would stop and you'd have to loosen your nut or pound it back the other way to get the wheel to spin again. Back in the day when my friends and I had shifting axles we'd pound it with a hammer so the axle would be totally floating so you wouldn't have to pound them back. I don't flip my board so much anymore so it doesn't happen to me much anymore.
Me & my friend bought ace 44’s like a month ago, I saved mine till summer cuz I hate breaking in new trucks indoors but he set them up straight away and now his front truck is already bent... I thought ace fixed that problem? Dude is like 65kg/145lbs and I weight a lot more 😬😬I’ve got a set of the new 44s and they seem really sturdy to me, break in time was minimal too💪🏼 I guess they suffer from bad QC harder than the other big 3 though and that’s why you always hear bad tings about them...
Just quoting to bring this info to the new page.Expand QuoteHeard some interesting news about Ace today.
Apparently their next version (V4?) is going have
the ‘bulkier’ design on all their sizes. Here’s where it gets interesting... 44s will be exactly 8 inches and 55s will be exactly 8.5 inches. Not sure what’s happening to the other sizes, I think they’re keeping the rest the same. There will be no 8.25 truck.
They’ve done their first run under their new distro/factory so some more changes are coming. Those axle nuts without the nylon will be back if they can sort something out with the new factory.[close]Expand QuoteWhere did you get that information from?[close]
From some shops in the North West.
ive heard something like this but it will be:
33 = 8
44 = 8.25
55 = 8.5
66 = 8.75
77 = 9
44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.
I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.
I would be more inclined to think more people complained there wasn't something between the current 44's and 55's so they decided to shift down to accommodate both. A lot of people who ride a 8.5 boards are torn as to which to ride. 44's too small, 55's too big.Expand Quote44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.
I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.[close]
you think people actually complained about the extra thread? If anything I think people would just complain about there not being a truck listed as 8.25 :/. Wasn't that long ago that an 8.25 truck didn't even exist.
ive heard something like this but it will be:
33 = 8
44 = 8.25
55 = 8.5
66 = 8.75
77 = 9
I would be more inclined to think more people complained there wasn't something between the current 44's and 55's so they decided to shift down to accommodate both. A lot of people who ride a 8.5 boards are torn as to which to ride. 44's too small, 55's too big.Expand QuoteExpand Quote44's basically are 8.25" just with extra long axle threads, thus making them 8.37" if you add washers to the inside of the wheel.
I bet people complained about having too much thread sticking out so they probably fixed that, hence the new sizes. Just a theory.[close]
you think people actually complained about the extra thread? If anything I think people would just complain about there not being a truck listed as 8.25 :/. Wasn't that long ago that an 8.25 truck didn't even exist.[close]
I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.What a massive kook.
Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
Thanks, have a nice day :-*What a massive kook.Expand QuoteI think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.
Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.[close]
You can go fuck yourself raw with a purple coping eater. “Specialness.” There’s nothing special about aces. They’re cheap, Chinese aluminum at a slightly greater angle than indys.Thanks, have a nice day :-*Expand QuoteWhat a massive kook.Expand QuoteI think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.
Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.[close][close]
If he skated he would know the “big three” aren’t “just trucks,"::)
...
But then again, they’re all just trucks
Dementia =Larry Dallas on dementia?
Mental confusion and emotional disruption. It makes it difficult to think, remember, sleep, pay attention, and more. You might experience the condition during alcohol withdrawal, after surgery, or when attempting to spew complete nonsense about a subject you have no experince with.
I think the geometry also keeps a lot of people away as much it brings people in. I’d say probably more people are out there who don’t really think too hard about their trucks or set-ups in general. They just wanna skate and focus on the tricks. Indy’s, Thunders, Ventures...these are all...predictable? uncomplicated?...types of trucks that kids can just hop on and feel stable while doing their thing.I just wanted to shift the focus back to this shit... and someone gnarred the guy 😂
Yeah, technically you could feel the same with Ace, but for the most part I’d say their trucks are geared towards people who want a very specific thing from their trucks. Who want to nerd out and really get in tune with everything. It’s weird but I’ve seen a lot of people deterred by that way of thinking. Some sort of indifference towards a truck that has any specialness to it. The big 3 work well for people that just want...trucks.
Larry Dallas. Not a badass.
Stanley Roper was much doper.
Ralph Furley was kinda squirly.
Just realised my new pair have a very clear axle defect, wheel won't slide on smooth but once it's on it seems to work fine. I would send it back for a replacement but I don't have any spare trucks. They really need to fix their quality control.
I ended up emailing them a picture anyways and they're gonna send out another truck, they claimed to have never seen the problem. My disdain for Ace's quality control has been lessened by my new found respect for their customer service.Expand QuoteJust realised my new pair have a very clear axle defect, wheel won't slide on smooth but once it's on it seems to work fine. I would send it back for a replacement but I don't have any spare trucks. They really need to fix their quality control.[close]
A couple sets I own have this problem, but it doesn’t effect anything.
the last few pages have been real tough to gauge. Great trucks with poor QC seem to be the consensus . is that still the case? What size would i get for 8.3/4?
I wish these companies would all get together on one simple, concise measurement system.
the last few pages have been real tough to gauge. Great trucks with poor QC seem to be the consensus . is that still the case? What size would i get for 8.3/4?
I wish these companies would all get together on one simple, concise measurement system.
Those are the 44s. Actually an 8 3/8" axle though.
Expand QuoteThose are the 44s. Actually an 8 3/8" axle though.[close]
Shalom, Thanks man!
Gonna pull the trigger.
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
Expand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.
what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated
Expand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.
what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
Expand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
Hoping for a forged baseplate, slightly taller hangar, hollow or Ti axle, inverted kingpin
Its counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
damn i've recently been really itching to try aces for the first time, but maybe i should wait till the end of the year.
what's the thinnest and widest boards you guys have set up with 44s? like if some of you have gone up to 8 3/4, have you gone as far down as 8? im in the process of branching out on deck widths, so i feel like 44s will give me a solid range to mess around, but your thoughts on what was too much of a gap would be appreciated[close]
I’m currently 44’s on an 8.5. Wheels are well inside of the deck. I wouldn’t go any wider on them.
Expand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).[close]
There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts. Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc... Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.
Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).[close]
There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts. Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc... Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.
Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIts counter to what you'd imagine and maybe in my imagination but I was skating a couple of big bowls recently on loose 44s and I swear they felt nice and stable at speed... no wobble at all... but then turn super well at slow speeds...
Heard from a reliable source big things are coming for Ace by the end of the year with some size adjustments and other improvements.[close]
Any sort of specifics you can point out? Been on Aces for a while, but all these minor revisions some members post about aren't really documented on Ace's website. I feel like officially they're on V2, with the thicker hanger and better bushings (as they point out on their product page), but people here throw around V2.5 and V3 as well. Like, does the fact the raw trucks are now sandcast textured like Indy's count as another revision? As Xen pointed out, what else can they really do without switching to Ermico? (which would rule, but probably unlikely).[close]
There was no talk of forged, hollow or inverted anything but who knows. I think it was more to do with triangle that supports the hangers and making sure they are proportioned properly to support each width., some other tweaks that the layperson might not notice, adding more beef to the hanger again, and improving the 3/8"s axle nuts. Also stuff to do with bushings, bushing options and then hanger sizes going up 1/4" . So a proper 8.25" 8.5", 8.75" 9" etc... Geo stays the same, which to me is crucial as its perfect.
New manufacture but didn't sound like it would be Ermico.
Dude owns a shop and spoke with some Ace dudes in person. When I say reliable, its my interpretation of his interpretation... so stay tuned... I did ask Ace if they were working on their sizes and they said to expect an announcement in Spring...
Later in the year was what I heard.
(AO listed on the rider page now, which is pretty alright).
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
Expand Quotecorrect me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?[close]
I use risers most of the time but everything being the same I get less wheel bite with ACE than Thunder b/c of the way they turn, hooks the wheel further back.
correct me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?
Expand Quotecorrect me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?[close]
thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...
Expand QuoteExpand Quotecorrect me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?[close]
thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...[close]
if you mean the "redesign" from 5 or so years ago, they are all at about 52/53 now besides the lows or 145's.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotecorrect me if im wrong, but arent thunder hi's 53mm, and indys 55m? the new catalog says the classics are 52mm high, do most people skate them with risers considering they have so many bowl dudes skating big wheels?[close]
thunder highs are under 50mm except the redesigned 149s(and above)...[close]
if you mean the "redesign" from 5 or so years ago, they are all at about 52/53 now besides the lows or 145's.[close]
Aren't the 147 Highs also much lower than 53? 47 or something?
Good to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.
Expand QuoteGood to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.[close]
I have a pair of Ace baseplates laying around, I'm gonna try this. Thanks for the tip, my guy.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGood to see the Ace thread active again. As mentioned in the truck thread, if you guys wanna try a stage 11 149 Indy to get that true 8.5” width on an Ace baseplate, it works perfect. Not knowing I’d think I was riding a full on Ace truck and not a frankentruck. I’m thinking of doing a Destructo hollow kingpin and then a titanium Indy 149 to kick things up a notch.[close]
I have a pair of Ace baseplates laying around, I'm gonna try this. Thanks for the tip, my guy.[close]
Tried this for kicks. Can confirm, works really well. No weirdness or bind in the turn at all. Use the stock Ace bottom and an Indy top bushing if you wanna get real loose.
Why is it getting harder to find 55s
Lots of new riders for Ace, notable Alex Olson.
Sage Elsesser, the new guy on Enjoi Deedz too.Expand QuoteLots of new riders for Ace, notable Alex Olson.[close]
word?
Ace should be irrelevant as long as they support Vinnie fuckin' Banh.
Weird that AO, Sage and others were removed from the team page after they were mentioned here
Expand QuoteWeird that AO, Sage and others were removed from the team page after they were mentioned here[close]
The new guys are listed in the '19 spring catalog. Don't think they've updated the list on their site yet.
i wish they soldMAGNESIUMbaseplates
naw magnesium sucks dick. cast or str8 metal.Expand Quotei wish they soldMAGNESIUMbaseplates[close]
I started skating Aces like 6 years ago because I saw Gou Miyagi skating them. Such weird reasoning, but such a good decision!
I think it’s over. Get um while you can
Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.
Nonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.
Expand QuoteNonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.[close]
I hope so. I’m fucking old and I don’t like changes. Lee Ralph is my spirit animal.
Expand QuoteNonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.[close]
I've noticed that many online skateshop are out of stock of the 44s. Maybe Ace is no longer supplying these because new stuff is coming?
Ace bushings are kind of a weird size. I don't think the top bones would be a great fit especially since the top ace is kinda large. I don't know though, just try it. It would take like 10 minutes. But also, the new ace bushing are the best bushings (urethane formula wise) of all time, hands down.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNonsense. Sounds like they have some stuff in the works this year.[close]
I hope so. I’m fucking old and I don’t like changes. Lee Ralph is my spirit animal.[close]
Was this based on the fact the website was down for you? It was working for me the whole time. They've been pretty actively pushing their stuff on Instagram and definitely added some bigger names to their roster (objectively speaking). And their distribution is way bigger now than it used to be (since the split with Diamond). For a smaller specialized operation it looks like they're doing alright. I hope so anyway.
Ace bushings are kind of a weird size. I don't think the top bones would be a great fit especially since the top ace is kinda large. I don't know though, just try it. It would take like 10 minutes. But also, the new ace bushing are the best bushings (urethane formula wise) of all time, hands down.
Forgive me because I know this would have been discussed way back but how are bones mediums in Ace’s? 44 specifically. I don’t really mind the stock bushings but do have some fresh bones sitting around somewhere. Quicker response? Deeper turning?bones stop turning at a certain point because of the plastic insert binding, so not a deeper turn. and as long as the bottom bushing/washer is the correct height, the response should be about the same. the new stock bushings are great and definitely better than bones on all fronts(rebound, durability, price) but if you already have them, why don't you just try it?
I likely would like the stock top of it was not so tall. Also
I saw a kid with low ones. They’re sick even though he was riding tight trucks.
Much nicer turn than the thunder low truck. Was like a tracker turn
Looks like the set up of a man who would wear these...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI likely would like the stock top of it was not so tall. Also
I saw a kid with low ones. They’re sick even though he was riding tight trucks.
Much nicer turn than the thunder low truck. Was like a tracker turn[close]
The ACE lows are great trucks - I really enjoyed mine on this setup (oddly I rode them with Bones Hard Bushings), low pro, low trucks and 50mm wheels:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ubh-b5Mt8sU/Ttqa8NDWNfI/AAAAAAAADxE/B5bDor6O3Bg/w500-h333-k/IMG_6805.JPG)[close]Expand Quote
(https://i.ibb.co/1Z1s3cp/A5-E28-D43-E7-EB-4-D13-827-F-DDFFFF29-C9-BD.jpg)[close]
So I'm confused- what width do people actually use with 8.5 decks? I had 44's I rocked on a few 8.25-8.5 setups and the 8.5'ers never felt quite right. Went back to Indy's and I'm mostly on 8.25 decks recently and now seeing people think 44's are too small for those even? Dafuq?
So I'm confused- what width do people actually use with 8.5 decks? I had 44's I rocked on a few 8.25-8.5 setups and the 8.5'ers never felt quite right. Went back to Indy's and I'm mostly on 8.25 decks recently and now seeing people think 44's are too small for those even? Dafuq?
for me 44s worked well with a 8.625, but i wouldn’t do 8.75 with them. 8.375-8.5 is perfect for the truck. i would fall in love with some 8.625 aces though, it kinda sucks that their trucks jump from 8.38 to 9.0 and there’s nothing in between
Been curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬
Paid 48€ including shipping. I'll look for them in Poland just in case.Expand QuoteBeen curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬[close]
they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany
Paid 48€ including shipping. I'll look for them in Poland just in case.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬[close]
they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany[close]
For some reason shipping was free and I registered to the newsletter so I got a 10€ discount voucher.Expand QuotePaid 48€ including shipping. I'll look for them in Poland just in case.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBeen curious for a while to try Ace, I found them finally but on a skateshop on Germany (I live in Czech Republic) for a really nice price even with free shipping but shit is taking forever since I got an email saying that they didn't have them on warehouse so they have to special order or some crap like that ¬¬[close]
they're available in poland, probably for less than in germany[close][close]
that's actually a really good price, they're like 55€ here, shipping not included. i figured they'd be more expensive in germany because most skate stuff is.
Did you get your trucks? I'm still waiting on my bushings from themLuckily on Friday
I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
Expand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Do you jump down stuff?
I do not jump down stuff, so my axles have it pretty easy.
I said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.
What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.
I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.
Thanks in advance!
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.
What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.
I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.
Thanks in advance!
what pale light said 100%Expand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.
If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).
what pale light said 100%Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.
If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).[close]
Yo, I’m sure it’s been talked about but 40 pages is a lot to go through to find the info.
What are the best aftermarket bushings for Ace’s? I currently ride Indy’s and am stoked to get my first set of Ace Trucks.
I like to skate the Indy Soft (red) and super soft (white) bushings.
Thanks in advance!
how can you tell what 'stage' aces you have?Just felt that this needed to be bumped.
i've seen 3 versions. there's one with the tapered hanger and only one speedring, then a 'normal' hanger with two speedrings, and of course the latest ones with that are textured
that sucks, I probably wouldn't give them a third chance either if I was in your shoes. How about film trucks? I'M kinda curious about themExpand Quotewhat pale light said 100%Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.
If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).[close][close]
I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
Expand Quotewhat pale light said 100%Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.
If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).[close][close]
I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
the only thing indy has over ACE is durability, and that's enough of a factor to keep people coming back to indy, so why don't they just get it right? the only reason i could think of is that they're secretly communists or some shit. this is so fucking frustrating grrrrr
sorry, i misphrased that a bit. what i meant to say was : the only REAL thing indy has over ace is durability. who cares about marketing? who cares about t shirts aka paying money to be a walking billboard? what core indy/ace rider really cares about having lighter trucks? they'd be riding theeve or thunder at this point. and about the sizing, i'm getting pretty fucking sick of all these retards asking the same exact question about “im riding 8.5s would 44s fit perfectly with no over/under hang?” just get wider wheels or put more inboard washers on or 55s with slimmer wheels and shut the fuck up. i know you think you care about that shit, but once you're actually skating, there is not one thing you could possibly care less about.Expand Quotethe only thing indy has over ACE is durability, and that's enough of a factor to keep people coming back to indy, so why don't they just get it right? the only reason i could think of is that they're secretly communists or some shit. this is so fucking frustrating grrrrr[close]
Indy has a few other things over ACE. Marketing being one. They sell a shit ton of shirts. If ACE made more money off cool shirts maybe they could up their quality control.
Indy also has options. Regular, hollow, hollow forged, titanium. ACE doesn't have the market share to be able to have that many options.
Indy also has better sizing. 8, 8.25, 8.5, 8.75, 9.125. ACE: 8, 8.38, 9. Rumor is that ACE will get their act together with that in the next version.
Luckily you can shoot their warranty email address an email and they'll most definitely hook you up, their website says you need to ship the truck and have it inspected and all this bullshit for a return but the one time I've had a problem (with an axle) just shot them an email that basically said "hey I've got this problem with my axle, I don't wanna ship the truck because I have no spares" and attached a couple photos, they responded swiftly saying they'll send me a new truck asap. I had a new truck within a week.Expand Quotewhat pale light said 100%Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.
If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).[close][close]
I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.
Luckily you can shoot their warranty email address an email and they'll most definitely hook you up, their website says you need to ship the truck and have it inspected and all this bullshit for a return but the one time I've had a problem (with an axle) just shot them an email that basically said "hey I've got this problem with my axle, I don't wanna ship the truck because I have no spares" and attached a couple photos, they responded swiftly saying they'll send me a new truck asap. I had a new truck within a week.Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat pale light said 100%Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI said this in another thread but I don't know how you guys ride these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets
-Bent axles like a month in and eventually cracked the hanger
Went back to thunder for a few years, everyone including ACE said they fixed the axle issue so I gave them another shot.
-Bent axle, thrown in the trash and never looked back[close]
Bummer you had multiple issues with them. Speaking only for myself, and the very low impact stuff I do, I've never had an issue with them (have only skated the updated versions). My reasoning is completely about the turn. They feel and are the same height as Stage VII Indy's, which I rode well into the early 2000's before stopping for a while. They do exactly what I want/need them to do and I don't really have to think about it - unlike avoiding wheelbite on Thunders, or having to bury every ounce of weight I have to make a Venture turn well. Skating Stage XI's is like skating drunk for me, tall, tippy, and overall kind of weird. Ace just feel right, for me, but I totally understand the known issues keeping people away.
If Indy decided that Stage XII's are going to be a modern update of Stage VII/VIII's I'd give them an honest go, no question. Until then I'll stick with Ace's and hope they up their quality (or in a perfect world move production to Ermico since it seems Indy's have jumped ship).[close][close]
I wanted to fuck with them heavy. They just let me down both tries I gave em.[close]
I rode Indy forever and while it always worked great, since Indy is all i know and i see people are riding other brands, i wonder which other brands are as good or even better. I also ask myself if i should even try something else?Ace, Venture, and Thunder all are unique and ride very differently. I'd say it's less about what's "better" than Indy, but what you like the most, all are high quality. Aces are super squirrelly and fun which is why I ride them (plus the 8.35's line up perfectly with my 8.38 decks).
Aces are super squirrelly
I definitely don't know if they would be out of the game, they're still a solid truck. I find it odd calling Indys wobbly and unpredictable but Aces stable. I guess if you've been riding them a long time, but when switching from any other brand to Ace you probably wouldn't use the term "stable" unless you skate slow or just tight trucks.Expand QuoteAces are super squirrelly[close]
Not sure what you mean by "squirrelly". I find that Aces turn deep but are stable and very predictable. You can lean the amount of degrees you want and you can stay in that position if you want to. Thunders are more binary: you are in the center or you are at a full turn; in the other hand, Indys are very unpredictable and wobbling around every time, you have to follow them instead of controlling them. As someone said above, if there was not all of that marketing power, Indys would be out of the game and people would ask instead if they should choose between Aces or Thunders.
I definitely don't know if they would be out of the game, they're still a solid truck. I find it odd calling Indys wobbly and unpredictable but Aces stable. I guess if you've been riding them a long time, but when switching from any other brand to Ace you probably wouldn't use the term "stable" unless you skate slow or just tight trucks.
I definitely don't know if they would be out of the game, they're still a solid truck. I find it odd calling Indys wobbly and unpredictable but Aces stable. I guess if you've been riding them a long time, but when switching from any other brand to Ace you probably wouldn't use the term "stable" unless you skate slow or just tight trucks.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAces are super squirrelly[close]
Not sure what you mean by "squirrelly". I find that Aces turn deep but are stable and very predictable. You can lean the amount of degrees you want and you can stay in that position if you want to. Thunders are more binary: you are in the center or you are at a full turn; in the other hand, Indys are very unpredictable and wobbling around every time, you have to follow them instead of controlling them. As someone said above, if there was not all of that marketing power, Indys would be out of the game and people would ask instead if they should choose between Aces or Thunders.[close]
has anyone had the kingpins come loose really quick? a week or two after i got a new set of 44's both the kingpins were wiggly. i'm a loose trucks guy so i actually like it, but it does make me question ace's quality control a littleyeah, they're the newer designs too. i tried knocking out the kingpins from another set to replace with hollow ones and it was tough so it seems that the quality is still inconsistent. luckily that's the extent of problems i've encountered
Just got an 8.75, and really wanted to skate my Aces but they’re just that tiny bit too small, bummed. What would changing the hangar to an Indy 159 do? Would it skate closer to an Ace or Indy? If it even works hah
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?
Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?
Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.
Trying to figure out which "version" ace I have, and if it's worth an upgrade. Bought them in Feb 2017 at Tactics. Any way to tell?V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
Also, I ride them with bones medium on the bottom and bones soft on the top. Bought the new ace pivot cups but they squeak like a motherfucker. I cant stand that noise/feel of squeaky trucks. Reminds me of standing on a pre-built complete from some kooky sporting goods store. It just harshes my chakra. Waxing only helps for about 1 week.
V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.
Expand QuoteV1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.[close]
Are you sure?
I have the first version of 66's and they came with two axle washers. I had the Ace customer service confirm that my trucks are the first version of Aces. This was established by the fact that my trucks have matte black finish, the smaller axle nuts (the same size as you usually have on your mounting hardware, 3/8" or something) and two axle washers.
What is this huge nut on the V2's you are talking about? The kingpin nut?
They should print date or something to the trucks to save us the trouble of findng this stuff out ourselves.
I found that info on this same thread, can't remember the pageExpand QuoteV1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.[close]
Are you sure?
I have the first version of 66's and they came with two axle washers. I had the Ace customer service confirm that my trucks are the first version of Aces. This was established by the fact that my trucks have matte black finish, the smaller axle nuts (the same size as you usually have on your mounting hardware, 3/8" or something) and two axle washers.
What is this huge nut on the V2's you are talking about? The kingpin nut?
They should print date or something to the trucks to save us the trouble of findng this stuff out ourselves.
Do they have totally eliminated the "rocker"? My 55s are almost new and the axles have a slightly curvature. It is quite imperceptible, but it is still there.
Ok thanks.
But actually I think the axle is also bent for both trucks. I have F4 conical fulls, and if I force a wheel to be totally horizontal on the floor, it will lift the opposite wheel by a few mms. This means that if I ride straight, I'm not rolling on the full contact surface, just on about 1/3 of the wheel. However, if I take a deep turn, because both trucks turn inward, it will put both wheels on their full contact surface. I guess it's a technique on big trucks to give more stability when carving? Or is it totally random?
V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.I guess these are V3 right?
V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.
V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.
V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.
I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?
Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?Expand QuoteI have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.[close]
I guess these are V3 right?Expand QuoteV1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.
V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.
V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.
V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/yMOHOQZl.jpg)
I know I don’t have it yet but should I run the Krux or the Aces?
Thanks. I probably won’t use the Krux since I like loose but without wobble.Expand QuoteFuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?Expand QuoteI have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.[close][close]
You probably did. Krux bushings were only a thing for the previous versions because they are slightly smaller (especially the top) and would allow for looser setup at same nut position. The new Ace bushings are softer so you get a better/looser turn right off the bat, but if you want that wobble that smaller bushings can give then maybe try the Krux. I would just use the Krux top and still Ace bottom though.
The new Ace bushings also have a better urethane formula (less plasticky) than most bushings of the same duro. Only thing close in my opinion is the Thunder 90a. I have tried the Ace bottom bushings in all my trucks (krux, thunder, tensor) and it has been a better feel every time.
nope those are v2. the hanger shape on v3 is more angular/bulky.I guess these are V3 right?Expand QuoteV1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.
V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.
V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.
V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/yMOHOQZl.jpg)
from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.
v1
(https://i.imgur.com/drIePyG.jpg)
v2
(https://i.imgur.com/VhxNj9F.jpg)
v3
(https://i.imgur.com/BWnIk3l.jpg)
Maybe it's me getting used to loose trucks, but I have the feeling that these bushings get harder over time.I share that feeling
They definitely get more firm/stable after a sesh or two. I think I cranked mine a 1/4 turn after stock and they were fine. Not wobbly or too loose at all. My copper ones are tilted to one side tho even after a bunch of sessions. I spun the bushings around trying to fix it so hopefully that will help.When I’m breaking new trucks in I always swap them front to back and vice versa after few sessions, to avoid that tilting. If you want to do it without mounting ur trucks of remember to swap pivot cups with bushings too.
Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables
Expand QuoteYeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables[close]
Just switched to ace (about a month ago) after 5 years on thunder and this is my experience, I didn’t touch the kingpin nut and within 2-3 sessions they felt perfect. It was like I was denying myself flow and elongating my WB for no reason with thunders.
Honestly I hope they keep the 44s tho, allows you to ride anything from a 8.25 - 8.75 without having to buy new trucks
After only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...
Expand QuoteAfter only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...[close]
By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...[close]
By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?[close]
Haha. True true. Loosen your shit up.
pics or it didn't happenExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...[close]
By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?[close]
Haha. True true. Loosen your shit up.[close]
They broke in half...I didn't touch them, left them stock.
Expand QuoteAfter only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...[close]
By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter only 20 minutes of riding my bushings exploded...I'm just above 70kg, has this happened to everyone? Gotta buy something harder...[close]
By exploded to you mean popped out from the side of the washers?[close]
Mine popped out from the bottom washer before I made it out of the garage. Had to replace them to skate the first session
Happened to me on my first session on the new 44s, they harden up though
I'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.stock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.
Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.
stock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.Expand QuoteI'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.
Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.[close]
Did you buy those V2’s from RCM? Bc I was having a debate with my friend just the other day about those, he said that he never saw those here but I was 100% that RCM had them, I remember to wonder about those stupid axle nuts there...Expand Quotestock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.Expand QuoteI'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.
Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.[close][close]
Stock or the ones that come with the cylinder bushings. The washers that come with conical bushings are too small.
Back when I bought my Ace replacement bushings they didn’t come with washers. All the same though as I really don’t like the Ace washers.
I think I have a mix of Ace trucks V1, V2 & V3. Not much of a difference in them IMO except the set I’ve skated the least (probably V2 with the stupid axle nuts) still have the stock washers and bushings and they aren’t nearly as loose as the two sets of what I think are V3 with stock bushings and Indy washers and the two sets which I think are V1 with 3+ year old replacement bushings and Indy washers.
Breaking in the replacement bushings was quite a chore. Breaking in the trucks I think are V3s wasn’t nearly as bad but breaking in the V2s with the stupid axle nuts has been really fucking difficult at least with the stock washers. Not sure how much changing to thinner washers would help.
I keep all my trucks as loose as possible with the nut still keeping on without trouble.
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.My friend skates 03’s on 8” and they feel perfectly fine, not as turny as my 44’s but they feel kinda like home coming to me, as I skated most of my lifetime narrow low trucks ;D
Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?
Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?
I do really enjoy ace. I like that they are very different in their turn. I’m not sure it equates to me skating ‘better’ (at this point skating better means being able to land about 3 tricks: kickflip, switchflip, 3flip), but pushing around is fun. It’s a lot of wiggling tho. Concerned about too much extra sauce. Much like this post.
Did you buy those V2’s from RCM? Bc I was having a debate with my friend just the other day about those, he said that he never saw those here but I was 100% that RCM had them, I remember to wonder about those stupid axle nuts there...Expand QuoteExpand Quotestock indy washers? also, aftermarket ace bushings actually come with washers. the old ace washers (v1 v2) don't seem to have this problem, so i swapped the new top washer with the old one and it's really good. as for the bottom washers, never really had any problems with them. if you do, just loosen your trucks and make sure you have the rounded edge of the bushing facing the washer, seems to fit better that way.Expand QuoteI'm using Indy washers in my Aces. The Ace washers are too thick and too small. Indy washers are wider and slimmer. Works much better IMO.
Ended up doing this by chance at first as the guy who sold me my first pair of Aces didn't include the stock bushings or washers and I couldn't find Ace washers anywhere but could buy the bushings. Then later on when I got a new pair of Aces I noticed the washers being kinda shit so I just changed them out to some spare Indy washers I had around.[close][close]
Stock or the ones that come with the cylinder bushings. The washers that come with conical bushings are too small.
Back when I bought my Ace replacement bushings they didn’t come with washers. All the same though as I really don’t like the Ace washers.
I think I have a mix of Ace trucks V1, V2 & V3. Not much of a difference in them IMO except the set I’ve skated the least (probably V2 with the stupid axle nuts) still have the stock washers and bushings and they aren’t nearly as loose as the two sets of what I think are V3 with stock bushings and Indy washers and the two sets which I think are V1 with 3+ year old replacement bushings and Indy washers.
Breaking in the replacement bushings was quite a chore. Breaking in the trucks I think are V3s wasn’t nearly as bad but breaking in the V2s with the stupid axle nuts has been really fucking difficult at least with the stock washers. Not sure how much changing to thinner washers would help.
I keep all my trucks as loose as possible with the nut still keeping on without trouble.[close]
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.On CPH he was skating Ace. You can tell on a Nike SB clip on their IG
Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?
Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?
I think a lot of folks do the 55 on 8.5. Looks sick. Because wide trucks look cool. And ace look cool.
Anyone skate 33’s? Right when ace came out I had some, loved em. I’ve got 44s now. I know some people put em on the 8”....any reports on how this works for the kickflips?
Where is the AO confirmations? He skates them or nah?
I do really enjoy ace. I like that they are very different in their turn. I’m not sure it equates to me skating ‘better’ (at this point skating better means being able to land about 3 tricks: kickflip, switchflip, 3flip), but pushing around is fun. It’s a lot of wiggling tho. Concerned about too much extra sauce. Much like this post.
kingpin nuts with the specification that they are 3/8".
How the fuck does that work? i thought ace doing 3/8 axle nuts were a stretch, theres no way a kingpin nut can be that small
Speaking of AOhaha the bottom bushings look like theyre popped out
(https://i.imgur.com/2iHspFel.jpg)
been skating aces for a minute and had a few pair and noticed the first ones i bought were prolly the best. maybe just nostalgia or w/e.
never saw any bent ones, i always thought the slight bend was part of the design lol.
but the aces i have right now are kinda wondy, the axel on the left hand side is def longer than the right side.
i dont mind it to much tho honestly, just wish the board i had those og aces i bought never got stolen lol
Expand Quotebeen skating aces for a minute and had a few pair and noticed the first ones i bought were prolly the best. maybe just nostalgia or w/e.
never saw any bent ones, i always thought the slight bend was part of the design lol.
but the aces i have right now are kinda wondy, the axel on the left hand side is def longer than the right side.
i dont mind it to much tho honestly, just wish the board i had those og aces i bought never got stolen lol[close]
Just got a set of ace 55’s, both of them have the uneven axle length. The axle nut barely gets on the shorter side. I’m with you though, the performance is worth putting up with the imperfections
Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44 >:(
Maybe, idk but since I skate those I've been struggling.Expand QuoteNot more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44 >:([close]
Really?? It’s so similar....maybe ace is not for you. I’m riding some 44s now. The turn and no wheelbite is dope. The combo of big wheels and 44s on an 8 is not hot tho. 33 time
Maybe, idk but since I skate those I've been struggling.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44 >:([close]
Really?? It’s so similar....maybe ace is not for you. I’m riding some 44s now. The turn and no wheelbite is dope. The combo of big wheels and 44s on an 8 is not hot tho. 33 time[close]
Not more annoying about Ace not having a 8.5 axle truck...
Can't get used to the 44 >:(
I’ve been running 55’s on my 9” popsicle for the last couple months and it’s been heaven. Started with 1/8” risers since I weigh around 210lbs and skate very loose, but was still getting wheelbite. Yesterday I threw on some 1/4” hard plastic Pig risers and I can turn so deep. The 58.35” height doesn’t feel too tall, and my pop is a lot better. I just hate looking down and seeing those thick plastic pucks under my trucks but oh well.what size wheels? im running 169s with 60s on a 9 inch polar popsicle with 1/4 risers and it's a bit wheel bitey but adding another 1/8 makes the board feel weird...not unstable but just weird.
I’m not a fan of the new stock Ace bushings, and I’ve learned any type of cup washer is very limiting for turns, even with a conical bushing. I’m running really beat up and broken in Bones mediums with the flat Bones washer underneath the bottom bushing, and no top washer at all. Lastly, my axles are also uneven like many of you are saying. It’s annoying but doesn’t affect the performance so I just roll with it.
The no wheel bite factor is so good too!
Max Palmer on Ace now, just got welcomed through their instagram page
Anyways, I'm loving my 44's stock and the bushings definitely hardened up but the geometry still lends a really great turn. Gonna run these till they're crumbly
If you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.52s with 1/8 inch risers you could ride hella loose with no wheel bite. I ride 52s with no risers loose and get wheelbite pretty rarely.
If you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.
Expand QuoteIf you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.[close]
I think he meant that you don't get insta-wheelbite when you turn because it's not linearly loose from center to max turn. It's like the trucks are loose for 90% of the turn, you start to get a significant resistance only in the last 10%, if that make sense.
Has the kingpin clearance improved significantly at all since V1?Yes, the kingpin is shorter. I knocked them out to replace with Thunder hollow kingpins (which are significantly lower than Ace stage 1 kingpins) only to find out that the difference in length is negligible.
I'm getting to that point where the kingping is getting hung up on shit repeatedly from grinding the hanger down.Still better than brand new Thunders :D.
Yes, the kingpin is shorter. I knocked them out to replace with Thunder hollow kingpins (which are significantly lower than Ace stage 1 kingpins) only to find out that the difference in length is negligible.Expand QuoteHas the kingpin clearance improved significantly at all since V1?[close]Still better than brand new Thunders :D.Expand QuoteI'm getting to that point where the kingping is getting hung up on shit repeatedly from grinding the hanger down.[close]
Thanks man, appreciate the info, about how significant is the difference? Don't need like exact measurements or anything just curious since I'm considering upgrading to the newer revisions at some point.Putting the new kingpin side-by-side with the old one, it's a night and day difference. Although when the truck is put together, it doesn't look like there's a whole bunch of kingpin clearance. I've not experienced any serious hangups, though.
Putting the new kingpin side-by-side with the old one, it's a night and day difference. Although when the truck is put together, it doesn't look like there's a whole bunch of kingpin clearance. I've not experienced any serious hangups, though.Expand QuoteThanks man, appreciate the info, about how significant is the difference? Don't need like exact measurements or anything just curious since I'm considering upgrading to the newer revisions at some point.[close]
I skate 44 and 55 for cruiser and they feels great. I just had to superglue all of the kingpin nuts cos they kept loosening and falling off. That's more like when loose trucks end up lives I guess.
Cool. Thanks. Ace pivot cups are less than 5€ from my local so I can get like 5 sets of those for the price of Riptides and I can support the local instead of some longboarding company. :)
Thinking about getting a pair of aces, coming from indy 159’s, should i go with 55s or 66s? I ride 8.75”-9” popsicles and wider wheels(F4 conical full, OJ mini combo etc.)
Expand QuoteCool. Thanks. Ace pivot cups are less than 5€ from my local so I can get like 5 sets of those for the price of Riptides and I can support the local instead of some longboarding company. :)[close]
I will say, Riptides do offer a better feel when dialed in with your favorite bushings. And they never squeak throughout their life span.
I want55s andmags
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New 55s. Debating taking some parts off, like the washers, or shaving down the bushings. Suggestions?
New 55s. Debating taking some parts off, like the washers, or shaving down the bushings. Suggestions?try skating them stock first
How are 44’s on an 8”? Am I right in saying you can run no inside washer because of the hangar shape?
How are 44’s on an 8”? Am I right in saying you can run no inside washer because of the hangar shape?
Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.
Can anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.
(https://i.imgur.com/bOzStIe.jpg)
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Cracked/razored my wknd so it was time for a new (to me) one, forgot how good the PS 8.5 shape was
Hockey 8.5 (courtesy of complements4u)
Ace 44s w/ no bottom washer
Speedlab 56mm 101a
Reds
Shiny Bolts
Huf Classics I'm trying really hard to not skate
Expand QuoteCan anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.[close]
Skating ventures right now but did the 44s on 8.5 for a while. It's fine, especially if you put two or more washers on the inside side of the wheel since the axles are decently long.
Expand QuoteCan anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.[close]Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/bOzStIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/quPO2qC.jpg)
Cracked/razored my wknd so it was time for a new (to me) one, forgot how good the PS 8.5 shape was
Hockey 8.5 (courtesy of complements4u)
Ace 44s w/ no bottom washer
Speedlab 56mm 101a
Reds
Shiny Bolts
Huf Classics I'm trying really hard to not skate[close]
44s on an 8.5 won’t be a magic carpet ride. But I did not like how 44s felt at all. I love 55s on 8.75 and up, they are just heavy.Exactly the feedback I needed. Thanks you guys!
I second that. I didn't liked 44 on 8.5 and 55 just didn't worked for me, when I saw down my board it felt like Frankenstein neck.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.[close]
Skating ventures right now but did the 44s on 8.5 for a while. It's fine, especially if you put two or more washers on the inside side of the wheel since the axles are decently long.[close]Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCan anyone with ace 44's and an 8.5 show me a picture of their deck? I want to try aces but I dont want axles sticking out or a huge magic carpet ride.[close]Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/bOzStIe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/quPO2qC.jpg)
Cracked/razored my wknd so it was time for a new (to me) one, forgot how good the PS 8.5 shape was
Hockey 8.5 (courtesy of complements4u)
Ace 44s w/ no bottom washer
Speedlab 56mm 101a
Reds
Shiny Bolts
Huf Classics I'm trying really hard to not skate[close][close]Exactly the feedback I needed. Thanks you guys!Expand Quote44s on an 8.5 won’t be a magic carpet ride. But I did not like how 44s felt at all. I love 55s on 8.75 and up, they are just heavy.[close]
Been off my Ace 44 for a few months due to trying new stuff... back again after buying an 8.38. In the time I had these chilling - I had riptide pivot cups come in for them. I'm pretty light so I don't chew my bushings up, but is it worth changing the pivot cups for the riptides if i have them? I've never used aftermarket pivots so not sure if I will see a noticeable change with these.in the real world, not really. in the world of SLAP it will make a massive difference to your trucks and the way they ride
I have some mags but stopped skating them when the pivot cups blew out. I just replaced them with the regular baseplates cause i didnt wanna change the pivot cups.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI want55s andmags[close][close]
Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find
I have some mags but stopped skating them when the pivot cups blew out. I just replaced them with the regular baseplates cause i didnt wanna change the pivot cups.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI want55s andmags[close][close]
Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find[close]
A shop in Sweden has them
Im so sorry just looked it up now and they are goneExpand QuoteI have some mags but stopped skating them when the pivot cups blew out. I just replaced them with the regular baseplates cause i didnt wanna change the pivot cups.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI want55s andmags[close][close]
Haha. Fair. Real impossible to find[close]
A shop in Sweden has them[close]
Link please
Break. Them. In. Bushings need a good few solid sessions to start to feel right. Ace stocks are the best.
They have this skip/click during the turn and my hanger will get kinda stuck lopsided frequently.
Expand QuoteBreak. Them. In. Bushings need a good few solid sessions to start to feel right. Ace stocks are the best.[close]
+100
this is saintly advice. I followed it on my last set of thunders and aces and didn’t need to do anything after the first 2-3 sessions; never tightened the kingpins, never changed a single thingExpand QuoteBreak. Them. In. Bushings need a good few solid sessions to start to feel right. Ace stocks are the best.[close]
+100
Big thank you for the advice fellas! About to go skating today so might as well try different bushing setups, let the truck madness begin
Curious, anybody running 55's on an 8.5 with good results? Some days the 44's feel a bit squirrely on an 8.5 and I've been thinking of making the jump up. Only dude I see running this size consistently is Shin Sanbongi and it doesn't look too monstertruck-ish, but it's hard to tell.
Exactly this. Also didn't liked 55 on 8.5, flip tricks were a bitchExpand QuoteCurious, anybody running 55's on an 8.5 with good results? Some days the 44's feel a bit squirrely on an 8.5 and I've been thinking of making the jump up. Only dude I see running this size consistently is Shin Sanbongi and it doesn't look too monstertruck-ish, but it's hard to tell.[close]
I didn't really like it to be honest, a little too clumsy and flip tricks felt difficult. Felt stable and cruisy though and was great for back 5050s on round rails but I definitely think the 55s should be reserved for ~8.62 and up. That being said if you skate transition and less techy stuff it could be good.
It doesn't look too monstertruck-ish as long as you have a decently full nose and tail, if the ends of your 8.5 are very tapered then it will probably look a bit monstertruck-ish.
I'm not too picky with sizes but I agree also. Yet 44s are feeling too small for me. something between 44 and 55 would be amazing. Long overdue... Anyone from Ace read this forum?
Thunder 151’s are 8.75” axle to axle, yet the hanger is the same width as an Ace 55 which are 9” wide. Yes, Ace provide more axle space indeed.
I lined up an Ace 55 hanger to a Thunder 151 at my local, they were exactly the same width.
Has anyone else experienced creased top (stock) bushings on Aces?
Expand QuoteHas anyone else experienced creased top (stock) bushings on Aces?[close]
Mine are giving off pretty strong ball sack vibes
Fuck me, you weren't kidding. How old is your current set of trucks?
Ace’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.Was about to buy a pair today buuuut I guess not, they need to get their shit together
I bought them new some time this year
* maybe April
Was about to buy a pair today buuuut I guess not, they need to get their shit togetherExpand QuoteAce’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.[close]
All this is partly undermined by the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions. Checked for slip (lots of tapping) and it doesn't seem like that's the problem. Anyone hear of this? I've got on F4 conicals and Bones Reds, if that helps.I've actually experienced that on 44s but always chalked it up to a glitch in the matrix because axels aren't slipping...
I've actually experienced that on 44s but always chalked it up to a glitch in the matrix because axels aren't slipping...
Do you have a washer between the bearing and axle nut?
Was about to buy a pair today buuuut I guess not, they need to get their shit togetherExpand QuoteAce’s quality control isn’t great still, I’ve had hangers shorter than the other truck, axles off center with one side longer, etc all with the V3’s. My current 55’s one truck’s hanger is shorter. The set I lined up at the shop with the 151’s were 100% same width. Other results makes sense.[close]
I rolled the dice and bought a pair of 55s online (only one local shop in this substantial metropolitan area and it doesn't sell them). I've been loving them since I started riding them. They actually turn as good people say and grind curbs and coping like butter. All this is partly undermined by the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions. Checked for slip (lots of tapping) and it doesn't seem like that's the problem. Anyone hear of this? I've got on F4 conicals and Bones Reds, if that helps.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48626639008_cd519fd372_n.jpg)The top washer is cutting into the bushing
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the axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessionsI only have them on a cruiser but this has definitely happened to me. No slipped axle either.,
I only have them on a cruiser but this has definitely happened to me. No slipped axle either.,Expand Quotethe axle nuts' tendency to spontaneously tighten during sessions[close]
I never skate wheels without spacersI think no one should
bearing spacers are useless unless you've precision wheels.
Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......
Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......why are you asking about the pros and cons if you already bought them? just go skate and find out for yourself.
bearing spacers are useless unless you've precision wheels.placebo effect or not, my wheels feel a lot more solid when I've got spacers in them!
Finally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......if they are the new ones:
why are you asking about the pros and cons if you already bought them? just go skate and find out for yourself.Expand QuoteFinally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......[close]
+ you don't have to mess with them/ add or remove parts, just break them in and they're ready to go (but yeah, as someone said up there don't go too crazy carving in the break in period otherwise they'll pop over the washers!)
+ wheelbite is hard to achieve
+ you now have the surfiest trucks in the game
+ shortens your wheelbase/ skates like old indys
- QC issues
the bottom bushing needs to be flipped over so that the sharp edge is touching the hanger and the rounded edge is sat in the bottom cup washer.
I appreciate that he's willing to tie the axle nut issue to slippage, but it isn't slippage. It's probably an issue with the way the ends are threaded since none of the other axle slip stuff seems to be happening, like extra room on the opposite side wheel.
Expand QuoteI appreciate that he's willing to tie the axle nut issue to slippage, but it isn't slippage. It's probably an issue with the way the ends are threaded since none of the other axle slip stuff seems to be happening, like extra room on the opposite side wheel.[close]
Both my axle nuts and kingpin nuts would loosen and tighten on their own. The nylon inserts on the stock lock nuts were junk and could be tightened and loosened by hand, so i swapped out all my nuts with the fancy modus ones with the blue nylon and the problem went away. Try some fresh nuts.
I would gladly pay extra for a high quality version of an ace truck.
placebo effect or not, my wheels feel a lot more solid when I've got spacers in them!Expand Quotebearing spacers are useless unless you've precision wheels.[close]if they are the new ones:Expand QuoteFinally pulled the trigger and bought a green pair of 44's if one can summarize the flaws vs. pro's I'd love to read it?.......[close]
+ you don't have to mess with them/ add or remove parts, just break them in and they're ready to go (but yeah, as someone said up there don't go too crazy carving in the break in period otherwise they'll pop over the washers!)
+ wheelbite is hard to achieve
+ you now have the surfiest trucks in the game
+ shortens your wheelbase/ skates like old indys
- QC issues
- you mightn't like old indys?
- you mightn't like shorter wheelbase?
- you might skate tight trucks?
I got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?
Expand QuoteI got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?[close]Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.PM camel filters and send him the trucks. It's too squeaky and there's no solving that.
Recently started skating 44s and love them. I’ve read here that Aces shorten your wheelbase more than any other truck. Does anyone know how much exactly?
I’m skating an 8.375 Free Dome with a 14” wheelbase that I picked up from my local when the first run came out. The name and graphic aren’t the best, but the shape is sick and is so much fun to skate.
I recently picked up a couple more off their site that are listed as having the same dimensions, but I got the boards today and the engravings on the top (believe it’s PS stix) has 14.25 wheelbase...I love a 14 wheelbase and was wondering how much of a difference the Aces will make up?
Edit: Shalom
Expand QuoteRecently started skating 44s and love them. I’ve read here that Aces shorten your wheelbase more than any other truck. Does anyone know how much exactly?
I’m skating an 8.375 Free Dome with a 14” wheelbase that I picked up from my local when the first run came out. The name and graphic aren’t the best, but the shape is sick and is so much fun to skate.
I recently picked up a couple more off their site that are listed as having the same dimensions, but I got the boards today and the engravings on the top (believe it’s PS stix) has 14.25 wheelbase...I love a 14 wheelbase and was wondering how much of a difference the Aces will make up?
Edit: Shalom[close]
What trucks were you running before?
Love my Ace trucks, I am sold on them hands down best turning Indy can suck my balls.
Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?
Well, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?
Expand QuoteWell, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?[close]
I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWell, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?[close]
I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?[close]
Shamelessly linking to my own post,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell, compared to Indy's, Aces shrink your wheel base by 1/4." But perhaps I misunderstood your question?[close]
I don't have any Indies around anymore and I can't remember the exact measurements but that sounds off. I don't think it's that much. I'm thinking more closer to 1/8th or thereabouts. Anyone got both around and can measure?[close]
Shamelessly linking to my own post,
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039[close]
Well shit. Thanks. My bad. I could have sworn it’s less for some reason. :-\
I've tried that, it lasted about a day. I even put new pivot cups in. I had to set up a new deck yesterday so I put the Aces on to give them a try.Expand QuoteI got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?[close]
Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.
I've tried that, it lasted about a day. I even put new pivot cups in. I had to set up a new deck yesterday so I put the Aces on to give them a try.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?[close]
Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.[close]
Do you have spacers in your wheels? The only time I had this exact same problem, it was when I removed the spacers to give a try. It was a very bad idea, it made the bearings to twist and to put pressure on the axle nuts, making them to turn and to loosen.Yes I do.
Has any one tried Ace 55s on an 8.5. if so were your axels sticking out too far. Also does anyone know what's good with the the mag base plates I can't find em in the states.
Was 3 hours into skating my brand new 66’s yesterday and the baseplate broke at the pivot from doing slappies. This is the 3-4th time with Ace’s. Making me want to call it a day with them and just go back to forged Indy’s.
Was 3 hours into skating my brand new 66’s yesterday and the baseplate broke at the pivot from doing slappies. This is the 3-4th time with Ace’s. Making me want to call it a day with them and just go back to forged Indy’s.How are you going to post this without pictures?
So I got my warranty 55’s from Ace. Took them to my local and swapped them for 66’s as I wanted some even bigger boys. Man these things are heavy but there’s so much hanger to grind now.
I noticed another thing that Ace needs to solve with their QC: the conical hanger ends which “allow your bearings to spin freely” are never the same. My local had a bunch of Ace’s in different sizes and every truck has a different level of conical ends, some are shorter with barely any “conicalness” to them. Others longer. Some long on one side of the truck and shorter on the other, which I would imagine will make one wheel sit farther out and the other closer. Some were crooked which made the speed ring sit crooked, which therefore probably makes your wheel sit crooked. Pretty sure mine is when I look at it on these 66’s. Just gonna roll with it...
At this point I think Ace needs to do what major shoe/clothing brands do: they need to hire someone to live overseas close to the plant to be a production line manager/truck inspector. China is notorious for slacking on quality and consistency when they don’t have someone there daily to make sure they’re doing things properly.
I love my ace trucks.
I love my ace trucks.*italian voice* psshhhhh get the fock outta heeeeere
*italian voice* psshhhhh get the fock outta heeeeereExpand QuoteI love my ace trucks.[close]
What size do you guys recommend for an 8.5? 44s or 55s? Or is it just a matter of preferring a longer/shorter hanger?
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55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat size do you guys recommend for an 8.5? 44s or 55s? Or is it just a matter of preferring a longer/shorter hanger?[close]
55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.[close]
trying to figure out whats sensible. 55s stick out too much? Ive seen 44s on an 8.5 and they seem to be a hair shorter which i doubt really matters. Just sick of indys and their pivot cups blowing out on me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat size do you guys recommend for an 8.5? 44s or 55s? Or is it just a matter of preferring a longer/shorter hanger?[close]
55s look cooler, 44s more ‘appropriate’.
Wide trucks just look cool. That being said, I wish I hadn’t given my 33s away.[close]
trying to figure out whats sensible. 55s stick out too much? Ive seen 44s on an 8.5 and they seem to be a hair shorter which i doubt really matters. Just sick of indys and their pivot cups blowing out on me.[close]
Ace turn better. But. They have their own issues and in general are not as durable as Indy. I mostly prefer ace. Anyways....do you flip? Ollie? 44s. If not 55s.
44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.
Ace warranty dept. revealed to me via email there is ANOTHER revamp coming. Wouldn’t give me any details but like someone else had pasted from their email with Shrewgy, the baseplate will supposedly be stronger, and overall the truck is supposed to have more strength. Said it’s going to happen in the near future.
(https://i.imgur.com/DNvqlq9m.png)
The rest are in my junk box in the basement. But this was from the other day.
Expand Quote44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.[close]
Perfect. Thats extremely helpful. Thanks.
I love my ace trucks.I am hyped on mine going ot skate here soon as we speak.
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The rest are in my junk box in the basement. But this was from the other day.[close]
Damn. Looks like a clean snap instead of getting slowly deformed and giving in. Not a good look. Maybe Ace should do forged plates. 🤔
I've tried that, it lasted about a day. I even put new pivot cups in. I had to set up a new deck yesterday so I put the Aces on to give them a try.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got a pair of green 44s a few weeks ago for pretty cheap. Haven't set them up yet as my Indys are still in pretty good shape, though they are squeaky as heck. I'm leaning toward swapping them out sooner than later after reading a lot of this thread. Any problems with noise and the Aces?[close]
Put wax shavings or speed cream in the pivot cups.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand Quote44s are closer than 55s to 8.5. 44s have 146 hanger. Indy 149s have a 149 hanger. We're talking 1.5mm each side.[close]
Perfect. Thats extremely helpful. Thanks.[close]
An extra spacer on the inside of the wheel would make them super close.
I saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside:
https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
I saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside:
https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
Expand QuoteI saw these axle nuts that are thinner than standard which should allow even one more spacer on the inside:
https://www.acerracing.com/collections/titanium-skate-hardware/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces[close]
A little bit out of topic, but anyone know what is the quality of their bearings? I did a research on slap and there is no discussion at all about this brand.
But 35$ for ceramic bearings, it's too good to be true ....
Thats a weird one. I've 200lbs and smash my 44s and 55s into curbs, ledges and coping and never had anything resembling that. How are you doing that repeatedly?
Expand QuoteThats a weird one. I've 200lbs and smash my 44s and 55s into curbs, ledges and coping and never had anything resembling that. How are you doing that repeatedly?[close]
Bad luck? I weigh 210lbs, I’ve warped cast Indy plates in the past from slappies but could never break them. Some sets of Ace’s lasted almost to the axle without ever breaking at the pivot or bending an axle, but quite a few have busted.
Ace warranty dept. revealed to me via email there is ANOTHER revamp coming. Wouldn’t give me any details but like someone else had pasted from their email with Shrewgy, the baseplate will supposedly be stronger, and overall the truck is supposed to have more strength. Said it’s going to happen in the near future.
The 8.75ish” Ace really needs to happen soon. I’ve been into wider decks lately but the 55s are too wide for most decks I’m feeling.
44s on a 8.5” could be a bit wider but I guess this is mostly just truck madness creeping in. :-X
8.6” and up though I dunno if I’d be happy with 44s. I think I’d feel more comfortable with a 8.75” truck. 🤔
Expand QuoteThe 8.75ish” Ace really needs to happen soon. I’ve been into wider decks lately but the 55s are too wide for most decks I’m feeling.
44s on a 8.5” could be a bit wider but I guess this is mostly just truck madness creeping in. :-X
8.6” and up though I dunno if I’d be happy with 44s. I think I’d feel more comfortable with a 8.75” truck. 🤔[close]
In total agreement. I've been told an 8.6 / 8.75" truck is coming...
I know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?
Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.
Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.
I know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?
Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.
Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.
Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.
Expand QuoteI know rah rah shop at your local core skate shop and all, but if you're hard up for cash 33/44's in raw/black/green are on sale for $30 a pair on Zumiez right now. They've had the green ones up for a bit but just put the less garish colors up. Maybe they're trying to dump inventory before the rumored revamp?
Oh and I finally got a pair. I fully expected to hate them as I'm not really a loose trucks kinda guy, and initially I did hate them. Then I put them on a heroin deck with a long wheelbase (online it says 14.5 but it's actually closer to 14.7) and I actually kinda dig them.
Are there any good aftermarket bushings that fit these? The stocks aren't bad but I wouldn't mind something a bit harder and I know the top cone they use is taller than the standard indy/thunder/venture ones.[close]
A minor quibble:
Frantically buying zumiez closeout trucks and bidding on eBay boxes of random trucks isn’t something that one ‘hard up for cash’ does, re the: ‘rah rah’ support your local shop. And that’s where I get annoyed enough, to point out shit that’s thoroughly not my business, to someone I don’t know at all, on the internet: you are just buying a bunch of shit for the lo. Just do that. Just be the super wack person that buys shit and supports zumiez. You clearly aren’t some struggling skate rat kid with no money. You live in the US. This is just your preferred channel, you’d rather buy mismatched Sonora truck colorways from 2013 than march down to the local shop and buy some shit there. Well within your rights.
Word is November to end of the year for the new Ace remodel. New Factory that has a reputation for good quality. I heard the hanger will look slightly different. As the trucks go up in size so will the curved piece that supports the hanger increase propotionaly. So wider trucks will have more support, I presume? Also heard, they have some bushings similar to Bones but they have found a way to keep them from blowing out as easily. New sizes to be more in line with traditional trucks sizes... No more Diamond on the baseplates... Probably some other changes also...
Word is November to end of the year for the new Ace remodel. New Factory that has a reputation for good quality. I heard the hanger will look slightly different. As the trucks go up in size so will the curved piece that supports the hanger increase propotionaly. So wider trucks will have more support, I presume? Also heard, they have some bushings similar to Bones but they have found a way to keep them from blowing out as easily. New sizes to be more in line with traditional trucks sizes... No more Diamond on the baseplates... Probably some other changes also...
Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.
As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.
Their V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.
As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.
Expand QuoteTheir V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.
As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.[close]
Not that it's impossible but with Ace's design it's harder than you might think. Ace's hangers are basically round rods of aluminum over the axle, for something that gets abused constantly it's a weak design. Every other truck worth a damn uses the hollowed out and flared design (where the axle is exposed underneath) basically creating a sort of I-beam, which is considerably stronger in almost every way, while also being lighter.
Ace can keep adding thickness to the hanger, but with their current design it's just going to make it heavier at the sacrifice of not making it much stronger.
I never thought of it that way, but you bring up a good point. I’m very satisfied with my titanium Indy’s and they turn phenomenal with the new stock bushings so if I’m stuck with these it’s not a bad thing. Expensive, but strong and worth every penny.
Lol, truck fucked. I don’t know man, if I had a board with 33’s on and my current with the 139 Ti’s, I’d have to say the turning would be hard to differentiate. These puppies really have surprised me.
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Lol, truck fucked. I don’t know man, if I had a board with 33’s on and my current with the 139 Ti’s, I’d have to say the turning would be hard to differentiate. These puppies really have surprised me.
Does anyone run 55’s on 8.5’s? Been skating 44s recently, and want a slightly wider axle because I like to see my wheels. Been running smaller Spitfire classics to get more room out of my axle but wanting to go back to a bigger conical full wheel but want more axle if I do so.
Indeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.
That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTheir V2 bushings were hard as rocks but these new ones just went on the opposite end of the spectrum for me. Way too soft and they’d just flop over the sides of the washers and start peeling. I know others have posted this problem and don’t weigh as much as me. Hopefully their new bushings can be an improvement from that.
As much as I’ll miss their old V1 hangers, they need all the reinforcement they can get under those axles. I’ve bent two sets of the new ones. Quality control on all fronts...you can do this Ace. Bring me back from my current Indy switch.[close]
Not that it's impossible but with Ace's design it's harder than you might think. Ace's hangers are basically round rods of aluminum over the axle, for something that gets abused constantly it's a weak design. Every other truck worth a damn uses the hollowed out and flared design (where the axle is exposed underneath) basically creating a sort of I-beam, which is considerably stronger in almost every way, while also being lighter.
Ace can keep adding thickness to the hanger, but with their current design it's just going to make it heavier at the sacrifice of not making it much stronger.[close]
Bingo. They're using an Indy Stage III geometry and Indy Stage III technology
Expand QuoteIndeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.
That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.[close]
Nah X wing is not necessary with this truck. I'm really rough on trucks I haven't had an issue. I think you all are tripping unlucky or work for nhs
I think theeve is more similar to a tracker truck though
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIndeed. Caballero and Mountain knew what was up when they redesigned Indy's for Stage V's, there's almost no real reason beyond aesthetics to go back to what's essentially a Bennet hanger.
That said, the Ace design with a weight relieved/strengthened construction could work. But essentially it would end up looking like the underside of the Theeve TiHanger but with a chromoly axle.[close]
Nah X wing is not necessary with this truck. I'm really rough on trucks I haven't had an issue. I think you all are tripping unlucky or work for nhs[close]
I switch back and forth between Indy's and Aces, so no blind loyalty here my guy. But you know, there's tons of posts from members here (and if you want, someone like Jordan Trahan's insta) who've more or less exploded Ace hangers or baseplates. A couple people might be coincidental but it's been years and years of defects. Cool that you've never had a problem (I've never had a problem with mine either), but there's pretty good data to the contrary. Theeve's solution is a good one, it's not particularly pleasant to look at, but it could be done better.
Also,Expand QuoteI think theeve is more similar to a tracker truck though[close]
... what? Theeve's were designed on Ace baseplates (theeve.... thief....). At the end of the day they're uncool Aces. At least the full Titanium ones anyway.
What risers sit flush with Ace baseplates? Running Indy risers on my 44s but they stick out a bit, anybody tried Thunder risers? If it comes down to it I can just cut them down to size but I was curious to see what you guys use, thanks.
Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
Anyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact
Funny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.Expand QuoteAnyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact[close]
Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:
(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)
If you want your risers flush you can get risers with oval shape holes so you can position them however you like... Pretty handy.
(https://www.tactics.com/a/2mft/2/bones-skateboard-riser-pads-black.jpg)
Expand QuoteFunny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.Expand QuoteAnyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact[close][close]
Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFunny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.Expand QuoteAnyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact[close][close]
Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of[close]
I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much
(https://m.imgur.com/gallery/1LcXzkk)
The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.
yes, pics or it didn't happen.Expand Quote(https://m.imgur.com/gallery/1LcXzkk)
The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.[close]
I really wish this image would appear.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFunny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.Expand QuoteAnyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact[close][close]
Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of[close]
I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much[close]
I have never been a board breaker, I was more of the kick away 300 times and then put one down bolts. So I chipped a ton of boards. As far as trucks cost, I get its roughly the same as a deck expenditure wise. But getting a new set of trucks tweaking them to your liking and having them last like 6 months to a year is better than putting them on riding them for the length of one deck and them also failing. Or the axle bending and causing uneven wear on wheels and the next thing you know after a month you need damn near a whole new complete.
yes, pics or it didn't happen.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://m.imgur.com/gallery/1LcXzkk)
The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.[close]
I really wish this image would appear.[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/P3ax7Ea.jpg?1)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFunny you should ask I just got done with a heavy ride and did at least my go to tricks down a hefty loading dock into a bank, kf fs 180 bs 180 shuv both ways and I was taking heavy tolls on Ace's. They seem to not have bent on me they're the 44's green ones.Expand QuoteAnyone in here jumping down shit with these trucks.
I have skated 2 sets, first set when they first came out and a second set a few years later. Bent axles on both sets. I've seen people mention the bending axle thing has been fixed, but unsure if those people just aren't taking impact[close][close]
Thanks, I really like the look of ACE, and liked them while I was riding them. I just can't justify going back for a third time only to have bent axles again. I will not be made a mockery of[close]
I like the look of the 33s the best.
The newer stuff doesn’t bend for me, maybe others. I mean for sure others people have totally mentioned it on here. The turn is sick, very difficult to wheelbite, grind easy etc. kinda heavy.....they are perfectly fine quality wise for me, and I like the product, but they don’t seem to be quite on the level of the big three. Like I can do dumb things with Indy’s/ventures/I’m assuming thunders. And by dumb things I mean run way to many washers on the inside of the wheel, try to learn frontside slappys, half heartedly, on unwaxed curbs etc, with no problems. That being said, I mean....trucks are like what $40-50 dollars? If I break a board that just makes me feel awesome. If I ruin trucks via the act of skating, ditto. Per usual I’ve typed a lot without saying much[close]
I have never been a board breaker, I was more of the kick away 300 times and then put one down bolts. So I chipped a ton of boards. As far as trucks cost, I get its roughly the same as a deck expenditure wise. But getting a new set of trucks tweaking them to your liking and having them last like 6 months to a year is better than putting them on riding them for the length of one deck and them also failing. Or the axle bending and causing uneven wear on wheels and the next thing you know after a month you need damn near a whole new complete.[close]
You make a really good point, it does suck to get all new stuff often, and it’s just wasteful.
(https://i.imgur.com/P3ax7Ea.jpg?1)
Hovering on the brink of trying some aces out. I skated ventures for 20 years and switched to Indy in the spring when I realized that a deeper/surfier turn is what works best for me. It was part of a huge wave of gear madness I went through and I am hesitant to re-open that door. A little bugged out by the idea of losing some WB length, but also realizing that recently that I don't like as long a WB as I once thought.
Expand Quoteyes, pics or it didn't happen.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://m.imgur.com/gallery/1LcXzkk)
The new distro Ace 44’s. Looks much thicker on the Hanger. Joey Tershay was at my local park and had to scope out his set up. He mentioned that the truck will be full forged. Rode it out too and it still turns the same way.[close]
I really wish this image would appear.[close][close]
Ditto,
Damn I can’t wait
Wow a forged hangar?
I wonder what that’s gonna grind like
I didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?
Expand QuoteHovering on the brink of trying some aces out. I skated ventures for 20 years and switched to Indy in the spring when I realized that a deeper/surfier turn is what works best for me. It was part of a huge wave of gear madness I went through and I am hesitant to re-open that door. A little bugged out by the idea of losing some WB length, but also realizing that recently that I don't like as long a WB as I once thought.[close]
If deeper and surfier is your jam, ACEs would be the peanut butter. Rumor has it new sizes (and who knows what improvements we might get as well) are on the way. Patience, grashoppa.
Any ideas on when the new versions will drop? Looking to pick up a new pair, but rather wait till the 'upgraded' models are out.
Expand QuoteI didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?[close]
I'm gonna assume that whoever said it originally meant forged baseplates. Forging a hanger would be.... difficult to say the very least unless Ace is working with an astonishingly high r&d budget. You'd have to forge weld aluminum around an axle, don't think that's ever been done. That'd be some artisanal truck shit, cost would be insane.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI didn’t catch that before...fully forged ??? Wouldn’t that make them more expensive? I think they’d be the first to offer a forged hanger in the history of trucks, and with that I wonder how they’d grind?[close]
I'm gonna assume that whoever said it originally meant forged baseplates. Forging a hanger would be.... difficult to say the very least unless Ace is working with an astonishingly high r&d budget. You'd have to forge weld aluminum around an axle, don't think that's ever been done. That'd be some artisanal truck shit, cost would be insane.[close]
This makes total sense. Plus, I’d imagine it would take a long time to build a groove meanwhile the axle is still the same strength so if it bent or slipped you’d be bummed with way less money in your pocket on top of it.
i really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.
oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum
the turning, obviously.Expand Quotei really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.
oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum[close]
If you feel that way, why bother?
It is entirely forged according to Joey. Other noticeable changes than the hanger. The pivot cup hole is much deeper. Possibly the same as krux. The hanger for this 44 seems a lot shorter than the previous 44’s. Possibly aligning with the rumors of size revisions. The bushings went back to a harder duro but it’s more responsive. Maybe a much harder top but semi soft bottom bushing. He also mentioned that this will be under their own distro. No ties to emirco. Releasing sometime next year but with more tweaks to go before it’s released.
Bottom pic is from Jef Hartsel. He was also there that night.
Those new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔
They better not fuck these things up. I've only had v2 and v3s, but love them both. I hope these new ones don't feel too different where I yearn for an older version like I did with Indies. I preferred stage 9s & 10s over 11s, like many people do with stages even further back. It doesn't seem like people feel that way about Aces yet, but with the amount of tweaks they're doing it will inevitably happen.I like the latest version of Indy’s. I have crushed the baseplate on a set of stage 9’s kingpin and all.
i really wish ace won't fuck anything up this time...but thats inevitable since its ace. im thinking they're gonna fuck up majorly with the sizing, they're still gonna have problems with the bushings, and qc is gonna be bad as always. the ones in the picture look kinda ugly also...they look like film trucks or some shit. im still gonna buy them when they come out, unless they stop making the current 66 size, in that case they can go fuck themselves and go bankrupt by spending too much money fucking around with shit they shouldve gotten right the first time.
oh, and of course they're gonna have a brand new problem that they're gonna fix the next year ad infinitum
Those new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔
Oh well. I have 4 sets of V 1, 2 & 3 44s, 1 set of the V3 55s, 1 set of 5.8 Ventures and 1 set of Thunder 149 Titanium Lights to go through until I need new trucks so I can likely wait a good while until I need new trucks unless Ace comes out with a 8.75ish axle truck. If they do, I might just have to get a set. 😬
Expand QuoteThose new 44s in the pic look really hefty. Also the baseplates look to be the same thickness as the previous baseplates so I wonder if they're forged at all. Wouldn't a forged baseplate with the same dimensions be heavier than a cast one? I wonder if they'll be even heavier. 🤔
Oh well. I have 4 sets of V 1, 2 & 3 44s, 1 set of the V3 55s, 1 set of 5.8 Ventures and 1 set of Thunder 149 Titanium Lights to go through until I need new trucks so I can likely wait a good while until I need new trucks unless Ace comes out with a 8.75ish axle truck. If they do, I might just have to get a set. 😬[close]
What do you prefer between the ventures and thunders? Why?
That’s my current dilemma.
Should just skate 44s, but the weight
It is entirely forged according to Joey. Other noticeable changes than the hanger. The pivot cup hole is much deeper. Possibly the same as krux. The hanger for this 44 seems a lot shorter than the previous 44’s. Possibly aligning with the rumors of size revisions. The bushings went back to a harder duro but it’s more responsive. Maybe a much harder top but semi soft bottom bushing. He also mentioned that this will be under their own distro. No ties to emirco. Releasing sometime next year but with more tweaks to go before it’s released.i wonder if this will prolong the life of pivot cups
Aren't Krux based off Stage IIs (ACE being Stage III?); that would explain the deeper pivot cups?
Sounds like we're going to lose the 44 @ 8.375" axle and end up with an 8.25" and 8.5". Better stock up (and nab some more of the new, soon to be old, bushings).
I'm still hoping for a hollow'd version...with that forged plate...
Indy Stage 5s were hollowed out. Ace are inspired by stage 2 or 3 geometry.
Expand QuoteIf you want your risers flush you can get risers with oval shape holes so you can position them however you like... Pretty handy.
(https://www.tactics.com/a/2mft/2/bones-skateboard-riser-pads-black.jpg)[close]
They're also just plastic a razor blade or even a drill would make quick work of it
I don't know why they would change the bushings, they're perfect the way they are.This. I have one spare set, looks like I need to cop few more...
Don't bushing panic. I bet they are going to offer more bushing options not less.
If it's a full shape go for the 55s. If the shape tapers, go for the 44s.Thanks for the help!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)
Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.
They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.
The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.
These were 44s and they were 8.25". 55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".
I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.
The thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.
This update seems like the best of both worlds for me, I love the heft, height, and size range of Indys. Thanks for posting they look sick!
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)
Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.
They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.
The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.
These were 44s and they were 8.25". 55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".
I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.
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For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.
(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)
After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.[close]
For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.
(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)
After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.[close]
I agree with this. Remove the unnecessary heft. Fuck, ask some company that does stress calculation analyses to come up with a plan on what to remove underside so that it doesn't affect the strength too much. Also the sizes sound wild. 66s at 8.75" while they're 9.35" now. :o That's sure to cause a lot of confusion for a good while especially if they just sell them as Ace 66s like before instead of specifying that this is the new version. Also I think they should also make 88s at 9.5" or something for the real big bois. Would go well with Joey T's support of Jason Jessee also… :-X
215s are not hollowed out, only 129~169s are.Expand QuoteThe thinner baseplates and hollow KP may keep the weight closer to what it is now but these trucks could be way more durable and sturdy.[close]
For sure. And a different metal and casting process would definitely help. There's just a part of my brain that wishes, with all the redesign, rather than just beefing up what's there (which would necessitate new molds anyway) that they go the whole hog and implement actual design changes. Like the Indy 215 is about 95% similar design wise to an Ace hanger and they have the hollowed out underside = more strength, less weight.
(https://i.imgur.com/PB7PrZN.jpg)
After a while, adding more material to the original design is a wash, more material = more weight, and diminishing returns for overall strength. I just hope they don't get heavy to the point of feeling sluggish and effing with that perfect turn. But, I'll give them a chance, fingers crossed.
I wonder if the metal process is some sort of heat treat to make it harder. But I’m not sure if you can heat treat aluminum.
Edit/ aluminum can be heat treated.
Also I think they should also make 88s at 9.5" or something for the real big bois. Would go well with Joey T's support of Jason Jessee also… :-X
I find it funny that a big bitch about Ace 44s is that they aren’t a true 8.5”, and now that they are going to have one (the 55), people say Ace is dead to them.
Are people really that much in need of an 8 3/8" truck?
I find it funny that a big bitch about Ace 44s is that they aren’t a true 8.5”, and now that they are going to have one (the 55), people say Ace is dead to them.
Are people really that much in need of an 8 3/8" truck?not really, but the size did let you play with a lot of board sizes; pretty much anywhere from 8.18 - 8.75. I’m not saying I’ll never buy aces again, I just thought that was a good size truck, will probably snag another pair of the old ones before they become hard to find
Does ace run ads in print magazines? I don't subscribe to any skate mags right now, so I'm wondering how they lookIts not an issue (ha)
I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
Damn I really liked the height of the classics,
I guess it was a good thing I got another set of 44’s
What was wrong with the 52mm height of the current aces? I hate the tippy height of 55mm stage XI Indy’s and v2 aces
The current v3 ace classics are so good, maybe lose some weight and make the metal quality more like ermico and I’ll be such a die hard ace fan
But back to 54/55mm tall and heavier? So it’s a better turning Indy stage 11?
I feel like the current version is a good competitor to the top 3
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I’d do a strong no.
Bones are great in ventures.
Ace have excellent bushings. It’ll feel weird for a few days, but if you just skate them without any mods, factory tight, they start to feel better. It takes a minute tho. Imo it’s way worth it to try the truck the way it ‘should’ be.
Resist the urge to fuck with them.
I'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?
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What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?
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What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?[close]
I've used Bones in every set of trucks the last 8 years. Just a habit at this point. Haven't ridden the stock yet.
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What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?[close]
I've used Bones in every set of trucks the last 8 years. Just a habit at this point. Haven't ridden the stock yet.[close]
Bones just work. You can skate the day of new trucks and have an enjoyable experience, they are a very consistent product. Well until they break. They really liven up ventures.
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever, just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.
My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
Expand QuoteNot to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever, just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.
My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.[close]
I didn't get a chance to break them in. I put the trucks (66s) on the deck, and without touching the tightness they popped out doing a garage ollie. I put them back in and tried looser and they popped out again. Leaning the board would cause them to pop out no matter the tightness. Zero ability to break in a bushing when it won't stay in for 10 seconds.
I weigh 178 lbs.
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever, just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.I had been riding mine for a couple of months without any issue. Like I said earlier, I'm pretty sure it's the cold weather. it was about 40 out. The cold stiffens up the bushings, they don't give as they should and it pops out. I was really liking them and will get them out again when it gets warm again.
My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
Expand QuoteI'm getting close to setting up the ACE I picked up. Whats the consensus on Bones bushings in them? Works/Doesn't?[close]
I ride a bones top.
What's wrong with the stock ones, why do you want to put Bones Bushings?
does anybody know if oski rides the 44s or55s?ask him on instagram
And don't forget to do it like a manask him on instagramExpand Quotedoes anybody know if oski rides the 44s or55s?[close]
Bent a 55 doing nothing that should bend a truck. The turn, warranty, etc., but damn still a bummer. Make better shit, Ace, the end.
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Yep. Multiple bends various sizes, bought 66’s and noticed post-mount they were bent before I skated them. Too many broken baseplates. Turn, warranty...doesn’t really make up for it. They came on the market in what...’08? Long enough to get their QC under control.
Not to be no hater but.....those that experience the broken bushing/bushing pop out etc etc.....did any of you truly, for reals tho, but did you really: break in the fucking trucks first? This used to happen to me all of the time. Because I’d get a board and tighten the trucks right away. Like a fucking child. Stop it. I don’t care if you are 275, don’t have balance, only like to tic tac whatever, just roll around for a while. The bushings firm up. Try to make thru a few sessions before you tighten the trucks up. Hey, we all need the excuses, none of us can be that good. Just leave that shit alone, quit picking at it. It’ll get better, I promise.Eh I dunno, maybe I’m a picky man child but my first 2 sets of 44s had great stock bushings but these ‘newer’ 55s might as well have come stock with gummy bears. Definitely different than the past. My time to skate is unfortunately limited so I’d rather just swap them out and be 😃
My true, sincere apologies if anyone who has had bushing problems has tried to really break in the trucks, and then still had bushing failure. I’m sure it’s possible.
New metal coming in Spring? Thicker hangers and proportional support.yeah I’m here for it + the marketing push
Out of the box, my 44s and 55s were also slightly bent. I can't say I feel it, but the uneven wear that it puts on wheels is significant and quite annoying.
Anyone know the cheapest place to buy Ace 55s online? My hangers are ready to pop and no shops near me carry them. Thanks.
Wonder what will happen when Indy comes out with a stage 12 that beats the stage 3 geo and already have better QC than Ace’s 13 years of trying lol. Will they switch back with their tail between their legs?
Expand QuoteOut of the box, my 44s and 55s were also slightly bent. I can't say I feel it, but the uneven wear that it puts on wheels is significant and quite annoying.[close]
Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker. All I'm saying is Alot of people have been jumping from indy to ace lately, I just saw a photo of sage elleser riding them, Daryl angel is on board, even 36 year indy lapdog Jeff grosso has left them for ace. No one's seems to have left ace to ride for another truck company, everyone's coming to them. I back em forever I reckon, can't bring myself to set up an old set of Indy's or thunders anymore
Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.[close]
My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.[close]
My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..[close]
You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.[close]
My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..[close]
You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?
ben degros said that aces have more meat near the center of the hanger so it could be that. or his trucks are just actually fuckedthose are the old design. they're supposed to be straight now
Expand QuoteAnyone know the cheapest place to buy Ace 55s online? My hangers are ready to pop and no shops near me carry them. Thanks.[close]
Cheapest I have seen is $35.50 at Daddies for the blue ones, using their 15% coupon from their homepage
I've skated a new set a 44's for 2 sessions now and did not tighten/loosen them to see if they would break in and start feeling good.
When do they get good? They just feel really tight and my board just wants to go straight.
I finally loosened them a half turn but they're not feeling much better. For the record my favorite truck is a loose Indy 149.
edit: also my front bushing started to bulge over the washer 20 minutes into the first sesh. Help.
I've skated a new set a 44's for 2 sessions now and did not tighten/loosen them to see if they would break in and start feeling good.
When do they get good? They just feel really tight and my board just wants to go straight.
I finally loosened them a half turn but they're not feeling much better. For the record my favorite truck is a loose Indy 149.
edit: also my front bushing started to bulge over the washer 20 minutes into the first sesh. Help.
Darryl Angel is not a selling point for any brand, and if Tershay were a smart man he'd put a highway's worth of distance between himself and that tool. Also, Sage rules but he's been on Aces for a while. Good recent additions: Max Palmer, Diego Todd, and Nick Boserio. And as you mentioned, Grosso himself. Tons of lower key NYC rippers on them as well.
There's definitely been real backlash against Indy over the last year, no doubt. And you can't chalk it up to Venture or Ace having superior marketing or better incentives over the monolith that is NHS. Something weird went down that shooed people away but no one's come out and said what it was, Grosso vaguely intimated it was "business" related and not mutual when he dipped, but that's about it. And given that a lot of people who've left (like Bobby Worrest) have lots of nice things to say about the TM (Rhino) it might be more top down, i.e NHS higher ups pulling some weird shit than the Indy brand itself.
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Darryl Angel is not a selling point for any brand, and if Tershay were a smart man he'd put a highway's worth of distance between himself and that tool. Also, Sage rules but he's been on Aces for a while. Good recent additions: Max Palmer, Diego Todd, and Nick Boserio. And as you mentioned, Grosso himself. Tons of lower key NYC rippers on them as well.
There's definitely been real backlash against Indy over the last year, no doubt. And you can't chalk it up to Venture or Ace having superior marketing or better incentives over the monolith that is NHS. Something weird went down that shooed people away but no one's come out and said what it was, Grosso vaguely intimated it was "business" related and not mutual when he dipped, but that's about it. And given that a lot of people who've left (like Bobby Worrest) have lots of nice things to say about the TM (Rhino) it might be more top down, i.e NHS higher ups pulling some weird shit than the Indy brand itself.[close]
When did Boserio get on? He’s not listed on the site and I had no idea.
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Ace used to make their axles with a little extra metal in the middle to help lock in on grinds more, but this wasn't common knowledge, as I thought the same thing. This became a selling point issue and threw people off, so now they make them without the extra metal/hanger rocker.[close]
My Aces are recent and the hanger is flat. But the axles are not straight. If you put all the surface of a wheel on the floor, the other wheel is going up and doesn't touch the ground..[close]
You sure it's the axels and not a warped deck giving a bent axel illusion?[close]
This. Or if your wheels are heavily used they can wear unevenly and have the same effect. I'm not saying you're axels aren't actually bent, but you gotta eliminate all the variables.
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.
i pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.
Expand Quotei pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.[close]
Leave em stock, best bushings in the game for sure. Takes a while for them to break in.
On another note - the shop got a hold of a bunch of aftermarket Ace Low bushings... will these fit into standard 44s or is the geo different?
report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.Expand Quotei pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.[close]
the 15" wb isnt too much with the thunders? you went from 151 right? on the classic or shaped orange eagleExpand Quotereport back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.Expand Quotei pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.[close][close]
sorry for the late reply. took some time to get used to them after skating thunders but i really like the turn after the first session. all my transition tricks and landings feel 10x more stable but its gonna take some time to adjust to the pop feel. i can feel that my WB was shortened but in theory, it should make things easier for me. the weight difference is big i wont bitch about it. the one thing i didnt like was that my pop was lowered but i usually ride 1/8 risers so ill see how it feels with them when it stops raining.
session was ended really early after i got folded over a spine going for a BS axle stall with my phone in pocket. frame is bent and screen shattered. never skating with my phone again.
the 15" wb isnt too much with the thunders? you went from 151 right? on the classic or shaped orange eagleExpand QuoteExpand Quotereport back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.Expand Quotei pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.[close][close]
sorry for the late reply. took some time to get used to them after skating thunders but i really like the turn after the first session. all my transition tricks and landings feel 10x more stable but its gonna take some time to adjust to the pop feel. i can feel that my WB was shortened but in theory, it should make things easier for me. the weight difference is big i wont bitch about it. the one thing i didnt like was that my pop was lowered but i usually ride 1/8 risers so ill see how it feels with them when it stops raining.
session was ended really early after i got folded over a spine going for a BS axle stall with my phone in pocket. frame is bent and screen shattered. never skating with my phone again.[close]
damn, sucks about your phone - i cant skate with that shit in my pocket.
Can anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.They sure overhang, not that noticeable on the pics tho. When you're on your board you'll see it
What Aces are the closest to Indy 169s?indy 169: 9.125" axle 411.0g weight 55mm height
What’s the weight diff?
They sure overhang, not that noticeable on the pics tho. When you're on your board you'll see itExpand QuoteCan anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/lL3KLDTl.jpg)
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I lived there for almost 3 years, left at the end of August. Darkslide was my local shop, I bought a lot of stuff there. Mainly Polar boards which I miss badly in here.Expand QuoteThey sure overhang, not that noticeable on the pics tho. When you're on your board you'll see itExpand QuoteCan anyone post a photo of 55’s on an 8.5? Looking to run 56mm conical fulls but not sure if they will overhang too much. For reference I prefer 159 on 8.5 so a little overhang is good.[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/lL3KLDTl.jpg)
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Dude, are you from Czech/Slovak Republic? I skate Charge boards from Darkslide guys, they are tight. If so, thats whats up!
Anyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha
Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story
Expand QuoteAnyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha
Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story[close]
People have been ditching Indy for Ace and DLX for about a year now in a pretty steady stream. Coast to coast, not just in California. As for why, no clue. But it's been pretty noticeable. I know that Indy has an enormous team, but if say, the same amount of people dipped on Spitfire in the same amount of time it would be a pretty big red flag.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know the beef that’s going on in So Cal Independent right now? I heard Indy screwed someone over and everyone is switching to Ace? Haha
Sounds crazy, I know. Just seeing if anyone knows the story[close]
People have been ditching Indy for Ace and DLX for about a year now in a pretty steady stream. Coast to coast, not just in California. As for why, no clue. But it's been pretty noticeable. I know that Indy has an enormous team, but if say, the same amount of people dipped on Spitfire in the same amount of time it would be a pretty big red flag.[close]
Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.
Saw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.
Also, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense.
Expand QuoteSaw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.[close]
Crazy if true. BA's another guy who was on Indy since his start.Expand QuoteAlso, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense.[close]
Not just older dudes. Here's a list of Indy to other brands off the top of my head in the last year. If anyone else wants to add, feel free.
Nick Boserio - Indy to Ace
Max Palmer - Indy to Ace
Bobby Worrest - indy to Venture
Andy Roy - Indy to Ace
Donovan Piscopo - Indy to Thunder
Grosso - Indy to Ace
Kader - Indy to Venture
Vincent Touzery - Indy to Venture
AO - Indy to Ace
Soy Panday - Indy to Film
Tyler Bledsoe - (Thunder to) Indy to Venture
Duffel - (Venture to) Indy to Venture
BA (?) - Indy to Ace
Some other names, but this is a bit earlier (early 2018?), Chris Jones and Aaron Herrington both from Indy to Thunder. John Rowe and John Devine both switched at some point to Venture and some of those Richmond VA guys rep Venture hard on Instagram (shitting on Indy in the process).
In whatever it’s been...13-14 years I’m sure they’ve gotten plenty of feedback on how much their trucks bend and break from pros as much as customers. Combined, still not enough to solve the problem. If I was getting free trucks and they turned really good, I’d never deny a free box and stay on the team page *shrug*.
Had no idea but apparently Sage is on Ace now to from IndyExpand QuoteSaw B.A. this weekend skating Ace. So that's him, Grosso, and Julien all on Ace/Anti Hero. Shit's weird.[close]
Crazy if true. BA's another guy who was on Indy since his start.Expand QuoteAlso, it's time to take it to insta like a man again and start doing some sleuthing on why the old-head exodus from Indy; I was fine for a while, but there's just too much intimation of bad blood and the curiosity is starting to get really intense.[close]
Not just older dudes. Here's a list of Indy to other brands off the top of my head in the last year. If anyone else wants to add, feel free.
Nick Boserio - Indy to Ace
Max Palmer - Indy to Ace
Bobby Worrest - indy to Venture
Andy Roy - Indy to Ace
Donovan Piscopo - Indy to Thunder
Grosso - Indy to Ace
Kader - Indy to Venture
Vincent Touzery - Indy to Venture
AO - Indy to Ace
Soy Panday - Indy to Film
Tyler Bledsoe - (Thunder to) Indy to Venture
Duffel - (Venture to) Indy to Venture
BA (?) - Indy to Ace
Some other names, but this is a bit earlier (early 2018?), Chris Jones and Aaron Herrington both from Indy to Thunder. John Rowe and John Devine both switched at some point to Venture and some of those Richmond VA guys rep Venture hard on Instagram (shitting on Indy in the process).
report back, especially with that board combo. As others have said I’d break em in stock a few sessions.Expand Quotei pulled the trigger on some 55s today for $36 at the local to try on my 9' eagle. have them stock at the minute, but have some worn in bones hardcores on standby. taking them to the park for a spin and i really hope i love them cause they look fucking great.[close]
Had no idea but apparently Sage is on Ace now to from Indy
Expand QuoteHad no idea but apparently Sage is on Ace now to from Indy[close]
Sage has been on for a little while now. Think around the end of '17 I started seeing his name pop up in Ace related stuff. But still, the exodus from Indy is real. And that's the kind of gossip I wish we had more info for but I'm guessing that on account of larger business interests being involved (and the amount of cash NHS can throw around) we won't be getting the details anytime soon.
Closest thing to genuine shit talk was Andy Roy saying they (NHS) were bought out by a toy company and he didn't want to ride "Darth Vader trucks." It sounded like usual Andy Roy insanity at the time but within about 6 months all the Star Wars and TMNT and Garbage Pail Kids nostalgia collabs were happening at NHS. You have their new brand manager taking snaps with dudes in TMNT suits. Who knows, maybe we'll see Indy's being sold on Walmart completes before the Olympics air and all this will make more sense in hindsight.
When do the new 44s that Ben Degros mentioned recently come out? Any ideas?
He's probably referring to Bravo Sports (think Walmart boards) buying Dwindle Distribution.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106721.0
I would love to know what the hell is going on in the skate industry that has people so riled up that they actually leave the team. It really can't just be over the fact that Indy moved to China, right?
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
Who’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
Expand QuotePeople need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder[close]
Maybe the "bent" word is confusing because it refers to a specific problem. The axles on my Aces 55s have a slight curvature, meaning that wheels don't touch the floor with their full surface. It's especially visible with large surface wheels like the conical full. But they are not bent like the axle goes 45 degrees up outside the hanger. To be fair, my Thunder Hollow Lights 151 have also this slight bending, I can see it when looking through the hollow axle. Personally I'm not annoyed by this bending, until recently I was thinking that it was a unique feature of the trucks... Maybe I was misled because the hanger was bent on purpose in previous versions.
Overall, I think that a lot of people are reporting the bending on Aces because they principally ride large trucks such as 55s or 66s, where it is visible. I'm not sure the same radius of curvature would be noticeable on 33s.
Expand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.[close]
I rotate between Thunder and Aces. There is always a bit of an awkward timing adjustment with my pop but only for a little while. I use Thunders with smaller wheelbases and smaller wheels. I find they both have a quick initial turn but Ace keep going and have an extra swerve in their turn which is great while skating round wall (pools and bowls). Thunder def feel better (harder) on the grind. Some people think Ace nose and tail slide better, due to where the hanger sits. Both feel stable at speed unlike Indy (for me at least). If I had to commit to one truck right now, it would be 151s as Thunder have a slight edge in QC and the size works better for the boards I skate. (Too big of a gap between 44s and 55s) Maybe that will change when Ace put out their new trucks in Spring?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.[close]
I rotate between Thunder and Aces. There is always a bit of an awkward timing adjustment with my pop but only for a little while. I use Thunders with smaller wheelbases and smaller wheels. I find they both have a quick initial turn but Ace keep going and have an extra swerve in their turn which is great while skating round wall (pools and bowls). Thunder def feel better (harder) on the grind. Some people think Ace nose and tail slide better, due to where the hanger sits. Both feel stable at speed unlike Indy (for me at least). If I had to commit to one truck right now, it would be 151s as Thunder have a slight edge in QC and the size works better for the boards I skate. (Too big of a gap between 44s and 55s) Maybe that will change when Ace put out their new trucks in Spring?[close]
Nailed it. It's that swerve that makes all the difference in bowls - it's saved my ass so many times on recovery or last minute line changes (which is why they are so good ridden loose).
Expand QuotePeople need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder[close]
Maybe the "bent" word is confusing because it refers to a specific problem. The axles on my Aces 55s have a slight curvature, meaning that wheels don't touch the floor with their full surface. It's especially visible with large surface wheels like the conical full. But they are not bent like the axle goes 45 degrees up outside the hanger. To be fair, my Thunder Hollow Lights 151 have also this slight bending, I can see it when looking through the hollow axle. Personally I'm not annoyed by this bending, until recently I was thinking that it was a unique feature of the trucks... Maybe I was misled because the hanger was bent on purpose in previous versions.
Overall, I think that a lot of people are reporting the bending on Aces because they principally ride large trucks such as 55s or 66s, where it is visible. I'm not sure the same radius of curvature would be noticeable on 33s.
Wonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?
Interesting... BTW I just read on another thread that Aces = big wheels, anybody can confirm this?
Expand QuoteWonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?[close]
Last I heard (from a shop owner who talks to someone at Ace):
44s are going to be 8.25" (I felt up a prototype and they were indeed 8.25")
55s - 8.5"
66s - 8.75"
77 - 9 or 9.125"
I'm guessing these are already in the hands of some of the riders for testing. So if you know an Ace Pilot ask 'em.
That, because of geometry, Aces perform best with big wheels. 54mm and up. Read that somewhere, wonder if is true.
So stupid to ditch the 8.35" hanger width on the 44's. Now I gotta cop as many as I can before they're all gone.
Expand QuoteWonder how they will call a 8.5" truck. 50?[close]
Last I heard (from a shop owner who talks to someone at Ace):
44s are going to be 8.25" (I felt up a prototype and they were indeed 8.25")
55s - 8.5"
66s - 8.75"
77 - 9 or 9.125"
I'm guessing these are already in the hands of some of the riders for testing. So if you know an Ace Pilot ask 'em.
Expand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.
People need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder
The Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.[close]
I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.
Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.
The thunder turning is not like ace though.
I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.
Love them more than dabs and I dab all day
Expand QuotePeople need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder[close]
I saw a skinny/short teenage kid literally snap an axel clean off a pair of Ace 44s at my local park. If I remember right it was going up a little grass gap/euro gap thing we have. Nothing crazy. He said he’s never even bent an axel before, wish I had a picture but I promise you it happened.Expand QuoteThe Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.[close]
I thought they have a 14.5” wheelbase? My logic is that I like a 32-32.375 length and 14-14.25” wheelbase with Thunders/Ventures. The Aces on a 14.5 would feel like DLX trucks on a 14.0”. If it’s 14.375 that might be too short with Aces for me.
I’d go longer but I really struggle with manuals with a longer wheelbase. Obviously this board would mainly be for transition but I want to try to get it to work everywhere. If I struggle with it outside of the bowl then I’ll probably step up to an 8.6-8.75 and a 14.75-15” wheelbase and some 55s and just skate two different setups.
Also I’m confused... the actual height of Aces is 53mm right? I’ve noticed Ace advertises it as 52mm.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.[close]
I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.
Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.
The thunder turning is not like ace though.
I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.
Love them more than dabs and I dab all day[close]
710 420 DABBERDOG bLaZe iT homeslice-of-cheese! !!
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePeople need to post photos of these bent axles.
I'm calling bullshit.
I've seen pivot cups fucked up beyond normal but I've seen no more axle bend than you'd see in a thunder[close]
I saw a skinny/short teenage kid literally snap an axel clean off a pair of Ace 44s at my local park. If I remember right it was going up a little grass gap/euro gap thing we have. Nothing crazy. He said he’s never even bent an axel before, wish I had a picture but I promise you it happened.Expand QuoteThe Polar 8.375” works very nicely with Aces. It’s a bit too short for me though with the 14.375” wheelbase. But if that’s something you prefer then I’d say it works really well.[close]
I thought they have a 14.5” wheelbase? My logic is that I like a 32-32.375 length and 14-14.25” wheelbase with Thunders/Ventures. The Aces on a 14.5 would feel like DLX trucks on a 14.0”. If it’s 14.375 that might be too short with Aces for me.
I’d go longer but I really struggle with manuals with a longer wheelbase. Obviously this board would mainly be for transition but I want to try to get it to work everywhere. If I struggle with it outside of the bowl then I’ll probably step up to an 8.6-8.75 and a 14.75-15” wheelbase and some 55s and just skate two different setups.
Also I’m confused... the actual height of Aces is 53mm right? I’ve noticed Ace advertises it as 52mm.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWho’s gone from Thunder to Ace and enjoyed the change? I need a short wb setup so Thunders, as much as I enjoy them for their merits, severely limit my board options. It seems like with Aces I could not worry about wb and length as much.[close]
I went from Thunder to Ace nearly 2 years ago. I found that the biggest thing I had to get used to was the wheelbase change. I basically had to go from riding boards with a 14.25 wb to 14.75 to feel comfortable, as the difference in wheelbase is about half an inch.[close]
I was riding thunder for like from t4 to 02. I still rode the 02 teams but I was just cruising around everyday skitching to the clinic. Then I switched to Indy in 2016 they were good for me at 139. I got my tricks back. Then I got 44s for my shuv nose and they felt like a thunderish.
Its fuckin perfect for me with the short bones top bushings and stock barrel.
I'm not bending trucks skating at 41 I'm about loose truck manny pad ledge activities and switch hill bombs. Holding on to panel trucks.
The thunder turning is not like ace though.
I hope they don't Fuck up the truck. I'm on stage 2.
Love them more than dabs and I dab all day[close]
710 420 DABBERDOG bLaZe iT homeslice-of-cheese! !![close]
Polar states it is 14.5" but mine was 14.375". Same for the 8.5" and it's been discussed here a few times and others have confirmed that theirs has also been 14.375".
Quick opinions - would people go 44 or 55 on 8.6? Its just too narrow or too wide either way.
Tough call. The DLX 8.62 is my favorite popsicle shape. So much so I do both 44s and 55s. One for tranny one for street. If I had to choose only one it would be 44s.
(https://i.imgur.com/pS0TIec.jpg?1)
Quick opinions - would people go 44 or 55 on 8.6? Its just too narrow or too wide either way.44s definitely. Fast few boards I’ve had have all been 8.5/8.6 with 44s and they’ve been great.
Expand QuoteTough call. The DLX 8.62 is my favorite popsicle shape. So much so I do both 44s and 55s. One for tranny one for street. If I had to choose only one it would be 44s.
(https://i.imgur.com/pS0TIec.jpg?1)[close]
Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?
Up until the last....7 years or so (making shit up, but sounds right in my head) I felt like it was common to see overhang, boards larger than the trucks by .25” ish. The 8.25 on 149s seems like the most common setup since then. I like the way wide trucks look, and if I was trying to lock into a bunch of rails or ledges I’d go that way. But sadly I just want to try and flip my board a little and go back inside. Narrower trucks seem to help that mission. I really have no clue what I’m talking about and had a set up with 159s on 8.25 and flipped that as easy as any board I’ve had. (Exception was 3flips. They’d go but it was a weird rotation).
Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?[close]
Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...
I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went back to that. There's a limit to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.
Until then I'll use 44s on the street.
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?[close]
Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...
I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went back to that. There's a limit to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.
Until then I'll use 44s on the street.[close]
ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?[close]
Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...
I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went back to that. There's a limit to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.
Until then I'll use 44s on the street.[close]
ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat[close]
I don’t flip my board aside from the odd kickflip, how is 55 on everything else? I skate mostly tranny/slappies and ledges here and there. Are 55’s the better choice? I still want nice pop for higher ledges ect.
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Why your fave shape? Why the 44s better?[close]
Good question. I was mostly on 8.5s and I think Deluxe came out with a the 8.62 (years ago) with a killer graphic so I decided to give it a try. At the time I was flirting with longer wheelbases and riding 149s or 159s. It just became a perfect all round shape for me. Until I started messing with Ace ha ha...
I was also pretty into having my axle up to .25" wider than the stated deck width, as it usually lined my wheels up nicely . Then I started messing with shaped decks. Particularly early 90s shapes. I was around in the early 90s and I realized that our trucks were almost always a fair bit narrower than our boards and if they lined up it would be over the back axle. So I went back to that. There's a limit to how much truck I can handle and its 159/151. Ace 55s are just a little too much for me to do any form of flip trick with. When Ace finally come out with an 8.75" truck I'll be set rotating those with Thunder 151s. I could comfortably skate that size truck on anything from 8.5" popsicles to 9.5"+ shaped boards.
Until then I'll use 44s on the street.[close]
ace 55's killed my flip tricks. im really waiting on those 161 hollow lights to drop but until then, im in the 8.75 axle boat[close]
I don’t flip my board aside from the odd kickflip, how is 55 on everything else? I skate mostly tranny/slappies and ledges here and there. Are 55’s the better choice? I still want nice pop for higher ledges ect.
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.happened to me on the last set, both trucks. the ones i'm currently skating are alright... so far
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.
Expand QuoteAnyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.[close]
Yeah mine've been like that for a while. Had no idea until your post that's what was causing the noise.
Anyone else has problems with loose kingpins on new aces.
My kingpins rattle in the baseplate until I really tighten them up.
How do Aces turn in cold weather? I have always switched to Bones bushings with indys during the winter because they don't seem to freeze on me. Would I have to swap out the Ace bushings as well?
Just got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.
Expand QuoteJust got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.[close]
Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.
I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.[close]
Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.[close]
Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.
I second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.[close]
Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.[close]
Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.[close]
When are the new Ace's coming out?spring 20 rumored I thought? No official word
Expand QuoteI second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.[close]
Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.[close]
Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.[close][close]
I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.
While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.
Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.[close]
Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.[close]
Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.[close][close]
I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.
While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.
Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.[close]
I had the same thing happen to me with my Indy’s so I used an extra set of the bottom washers for the conical bushings on the top and I stopped chewing up the top bushing. Also lessened squeaking. I think bushings move around in a larger area than the stock washers allow for and the lip on the edge tears them up pretty quick. Maybe you could try the same with your Ace trucks.
I skate my aces stock and never had problems with my bushings. Pivot cups, axles slips and loose kingpins, got em all but I still prefer them over indy.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI second everything that's been said. Don't mess with them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust got my first Aces. I’ve tried them on other people’s boards but I tend to prefer Thunders and Venture. I feel like they favor my manual-centric style and the shapes I ride.
However I wanted a carvy board for curbs and tranny so I bit the bullet.
I also got some 53mm Conical Full 99a F4s to go with them (usually ride 52mm Radial Slim 99a F4s lately) and I’m pumped to try them out. Probably going with a Polar 8.375 deck (I’ve been riding Quasi 8.0s lately).
I know it has been discussed heavily but I’d like to hear some more opinions...
Should I invest in some aftermarket bushings and/or pivot cups right away? And if so which ones?
I have some spare Bones Hardcore Medium bottoms and Hard tops sitting around since I’ve been riding the opposite combo on my Thunder 147 HLs (dual medium was too bitey that low). However it sounds like people don’t like Bones Bushings with Aces so I am considering some Krux bushings due to what I’ve read. They are super cheap and come with pivot cups so that sounds interesting.
Sorry for beating a dead horse.[close]
Aces are good stock, the bushings take a while to break in but are worth it. Had my stock ones in for a while now and they don't fall apart like indy stock bushings that last me a couple months max.[close]
Yes. Don't fuck with the bushings on Aces. You're only doing yourself a disservice by doing that.[close][close]
I rode my stock aces with unadjusted kingpin nut for about 30 seconds. Front and back top bushings popped out from under the washer. Swapped them for Bones hards leaving top and bottom washers in. Cranked the kingpin nut down to flush and haven’t touched em since.
While I want to believe everyone that stock Ace bushings are great. I don’t have enough time to fuck with them and keep popping the bushings back in place. With how early the sun sets currently, I get maybe 40 minutes twice a week to skate. I want to jump on and go.
Try the bones worst case you can pop the stock back in i you don’t like it.[close]
I had the same thing happen to me with my Indy’s so I used an extra set of the bottom washers for the conical bushings on the top and I stopped chewing up the top bushing. Also lessened squeaking. I think bushings move around in a larger area than the stock washers allow for and the lip on the edge tears them up pretty quick. Maybe you could try the same with your Ace trucks.[close]
Oh yeah. I have to take some of what I've said back. On most of my Aces I've changed the washers from stock to Indy washers. First two sets I got used with no Ace bushings or washers at all so I got some Ace bushings and used whatever washers I had around. Most of the ones I got after that didn't feel turny enough with Ace washers so I changed them to Indy washers and like them much better. Haven't experienced any popping or washers digging into the bushings. I might have at least some Ace washers on some of my Aces left. I dunno anymore. I've lost track of my trucks. :D
How do Aces turn in cold weather? I have always switched to Bones bushings with indys during the winter because they don't seem to freeze on me. Would I have to swap out the Ace bushings as well?
Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.
For me is more like the truck which works better for you. I was a die hard Indy guy but then I realized that my kickflips weren't that good. Of. Course I had to blame sth because is never our fault so it had to be the trucks. Then I remember how much a friend loved his Krux but I always heard s lot of hate towards that brand. I said "fuck it", got a set and I'm super happy with them.Expand QuoteEven when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.[close]
I’m gonna ride the fuck out of this pair before judging but I’m already skeptical and I’ve been for a while but I need to see what the hype is all about. I also prefer a 50-53mm truck so that intrigued me.
I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual. Back when I road Destructo Lows and Zoo York (Chapman) boards as a kid I felt that the manual point was perfect. I kind of would like to put together a throwback setup like that even though I know there are better trucks
I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.[close]
Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.[close]
Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.[close]
Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.
Even when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.
Took note of this when the shop I work in got a big shipment of 55's... had to pick the nicest 'pair' out of the box to make sure. The conical ends are definitely inconsistent which puts me off ever not having an inside washer. As for the bushings, the bushings themselves are amazing, its the cupped top washer that causes issues. Haven't had the problem myself so far, but still recommend swapping the top washer because it seems to hug the bushing a little too much.Expand QuoteEven when you inspect them at a shop you’ll notice their conical axle facings are sloppy as hell. Making washers sit uneven against it, and therefore making the contact point on the bearing wonky. One side will have less conical to it, the other more. Who knows if that’s the case for the axles being uneven, or if the axles themselves aren’t centered. Or both. I always had to run a different amount of axle washers on each side so my nuts were flush evenly and not one side more prone to scraping and stripping the threads. Add in the soft metal, loose kingpins, bent axles, broken pivots, gummy stock bushings that pop out of the washers...Ace lost me. I’m not even stoked on the new designs, something will go wrong with them. Yep, grinch here. Drove me back to Indy, hate to say it.[close]
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I’m really a Thunder guy but I can’t stand how they carve in bowls and also how they manual.[close]
Add an 1/8" riser to Thunders to get a better carve.[close]
Or try Thunders Team edition (baseplate 1mm higher). Night and day for the turn. And for trucks above 148, the Team are higher than Aces.
Yikes. Come into this thread and keep hearing
issues.
Look forward to hearing about the new version come spring, maybe.
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .
Expand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
Mine have been skating great but the difference in axels between the trucks are a little worry sum. I’m also very particular about my gear but it’s weird to see two axels looking completely different and having the nuts/threading sit differently.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
Mine have been skating great but the difference in axels between the trucks are a little worry sum. I’m also very particular about my gear but it’s weird to see two axels looking completely different and having the nuts/threading sit differently.[close]
yep. Thats stage 2 i bet. Little axle nuts?
Anyone running risers on 44's? How does it affect pop? Running 56/58mm wheels, considering getting some risers but not sure if it'll cause ghost pop due to the shorter wheelbase.
Just to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .
Expand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them[close]?
I would like an explanation too...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them[close]?[close]
maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too
i got a pair of 44s on a 8.38. i got my hands on a some new 8.5 shapes, will the 44s hold up? or should i get a pair of 55s? i dont mind seeing my wheels poke out a bit.
Expand Quotei got a pair of 44s on a 8.38. i got my hands on a some new 8.5 shapes, will the 44s hold up? or should i get a pair of 55s? i dont mind seeing my wheels poke out a bit.[close]
44s on 8.5 are perfect, just put 2-3 washers on the inside if you want to stretch it out a bit more.
When is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.
Were talking i got maybe one month before my crack is all the way around maybe.
the stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.Expand QuoteWhen is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.
Were talking i got maybe one month before my crack is all the way around maybe.[close]
I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.
If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.
the stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhen is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.
Were talking i got maybe one month before my crack is all the way around maybe.[close]
I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.
If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.[close]
Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.
I hate money
I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.
I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.
Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.
My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...
I would like an explanation too...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them[close]?[close]
maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too[close]
Expand Quotethe stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhen is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.
Were talking i got maybe one month before my crack is all the way around maybe.[close]
I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.
If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.[close]
Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.
I hate money
I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.
I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.
Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.
My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...[close]
You after 44's?
someone said in another thread that reed isn’t there anymoreExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe stock is gone. Been gone. Now im having troubles finding venture 5.6 v lites. Too.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhen is the change happening. If it happ4soon i wont jump to ventures.
Were talking i got maybe one month before my crack is all the way around maybe.[close]
I wouldn't bank on a roll out of the new designs until at least ... March? Unlike the previous revisions which were kind of soft, this seems like a massive overhaul so I'd assume they're going to give shops time to get rid of current stock. It'd be fairly confusing to the average buyer if some 55's were nearly half an inch smaller sitting beside each other in the same display case. But also, this is a guess, one that sorta makes sense to me anyway.
If Aces start drying up online I'd say that'd be a good indicator that the new ones are incoming.[close]
Im thinking im fucked. Ill be out of money fast because im on ssi and volunteer all the time if i work.
I hate money
I dont even need new trucks just slightly less worn trucks.
I dont even kbow how order shit online without begging my rep payee. He used to skate so hes a kbow it all.
Fucker is holding my money. I never get tall.
My skate is all i got. Fuck i could walkout side and go get a bag a dope easier than a set of used trucks...[close]
You after 44's?[close]
yeah. They have them on the site too. But the boss is going to try and get me to ride it out.
Im going to ask my shop for help. Or maybe ill see if i can snail mail the money to deluxe tomorrow the cash. That guy reed rules.
Ill just start with in sorry im old and stupid but....
Thank yous and pleases with cash in hand might get me some v lites 5.6 and wait for the new ace for an opposing style to practice.
Having two set ups that are completely different and being able to straight 8 is the goal.
I might be over ace though. I want to do mannys and switch crooks this winter.
Ace is great for mannys and nose grinds but i fall out of crooks unless im going very very danger fast.
Expand QuoteI would like an explanation too...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them[close]?[close]
maybe how they look? maybe? ngl im lost too[close][close]
Pretty sure its just a meme like when on instagram some pro will comment "best dude on and off the board" on a post
Has anyone had pre slipped axels? I bought a pair of 55s and right off the bat I had to put one washer on the inside and 3 on the outside to get the nut flush. The other side is perfectly flush with the standard one on the inside one on the outside. Love that surfy turn and big grind surface but the one axel sticking out way longer than the other pisses my off to no end.
Has anyone had pre slipped axels? I bought a pair of 55s and right off the bat I had to put one washer on the inside and 3 on the outside to get the nut flush. The other side is perfectly flush with the standard one on the inside one on the outside. Love that surfy turn and big grind surface but the one axel sticking out way longer than the other pisses my off to no end.
I've been enjoying my Ace's for the last month or so, although it took a bit longer (about 2 weeks) to fully break in.
The first couple sessions were the tightest trucks I've ever skated, but they've loosened up nicely.
The bushing definitely gave me trouble. They bulged out initially then that little bubble just kind of ripped off, no huge problems from it though.
One thing is I can't tell how much it's effected my skating. I was skating Indy's forever which my skating feels pretty confident on and I definitely feel the difference in the truck, and I'm skating relatively the same stuff. I don't know if I just mentally know I'm not skating Indy's or if the Ace's are actually changing how I do some tricks.
I have a cough and I'm on the verge of puking because that shit got me so good.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust to balance out the reviews, I’ve had 2 sets over 2 and a half years, and no issues .[close]
i have a pair of 44s i've been skating for over a year now and they're great, no qc issues, nothing has broken, stock bushings are perfect, grinds feel great, best trucks on and off the board, can't say enough good about them[close]?
New mode aces with a hollow kingpin in the wild
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Whose setup? Or is it just a rando?
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Whose setup? Or is it just a rando?[close]
Justin Damer
how much of a difference does a hollow kingpin make?
so between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...
so between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...
Expand Quoteso between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...[close]
Harder alumininum.
Not confirmed. I'm a nobody but I got to handle some prototypes and the metal was defintely different. Reportedly a lot harder according to the shop owner.
damn man, this sucks to hear. if it aint broke dont fix it, i fuckin love the current 44 iteration. snaggin a pair of these tensor new ATGs - may be the new go to if the new aces are toooo crazy.
Full disclaimer this was just my amateur observation of some prototypes. I'd wait until the new 44s are actually out to make a judgement call.
I'm not 100% sure on hardness, didn't pay much attention to that when I was looking for alloy tech data.Expand QuoteExpand Quoteso between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...[close]
Harder alumininum.[close]
Confirmed? That would probably make me buy 44s now. The soft just grinds super nicely.
I'm not 100% sure on hardness, didn't pay much attention to that when I was looking for alloy tech data.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteso between new sizing, thicker baseplates, hollow kingpin, etc—anyone know what updates we should actually be expecting from the new line? anything really worth waiting for? kinda just wanna get the 8.35" 44s and not have to wait...[close]
Harder alumininum.[close]
Confirmed? That would probably make me buy 44s now. The soft just grinds super nicely.[close]
But I think 7071 is softer that'd would req a change to 356 alloy, and then you'd lose the better grind.
Iirc strengths between the 2 alloys were similar. Or similar ranges for heat-treated..
Anyone remember what's pertinent to bending?
Modulus of elasticity? Shear modulus? Shear strength?
What they need to upgrade is the steel for the axles.
If you look at the Indy stage chart you'll see that they switched from 3000-series (idr the alloy #) a long time ago.
edit: Indy stage chart
Stage 9 got 4140 chromoly axles
https://www.skullandbonesskateboards.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118665
As much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..
Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?
356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.
They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.
Virgin means no recycled cans.
Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?
I'll try dig up some links and add them here.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075
No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140
As much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..have a gnar that was great
Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?
356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.
They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.
Virgin means no recycled cans.
Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?
I'll try dig up some links and add them here.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075
No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140
I know this has been asked already but can't remember: which bushings are compatible with Ace? We're in currently living I can only find Thunder ones.
Thanks. Glad you liked this geekiness. I'll try to add some % info and double check the strength specs.have a gnar that was greatExpand QuoteAs much as I'd like to call going from 7071 to 356 an upgrade :P the heat-treated specs on the 2 were similar. iirc..
Since we're talking alloys..
Trucks that say weapons grade or aircraft aluminum are probably 7075 (and maybe 7175?). That's a popular alloy and close to 7071. Their main (I forget correct the word) ingredient is zinc. Pretty sure that's the entire 7000 series.
Both have similar amounts of magnesium, but 7075 also gets a good amount of copper too.
All that stuff should make them grind better. Probably wear down a lil faster cuz of that too (as ppl are confirming?). Might be why they feel soft? But I think (Brindell?) hardness was the same or close. Heat-treated..
I've got an interesting thing in my notes for 7071, 0.25% Ti max. Theeve?
356 has silicon as the main ingredient and about the same amount copper as 7071. And could have a similar, tiny amount of magnesium. It's like traces levels..
A356 is a more pure form of 356.
They're all ~90% aluminum so I think densities are similar.
Virgin means no recycled cans.
Most (all?) heat-treat is T4?
I'll try dig up some links and add them here.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g-aUf3nM6AEC&pg=PT111 7071 and 7075 %'s
If you scroll way up you can see 356
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=707
Doesn't show 7071 T4 but you can compare strength to 356 if you matches the rating, T6 to T6, etc.
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=356
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=7075
No info on 3056 alloy
3xxx is Nickel-chromium steel
4xxx is Molybdenum steel (chromoly)
http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4140[close]
I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tipsI wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.
i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)I wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.Expand QuoteI'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips[close]
i tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)Expand QuoteI wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.Expand QuoteI'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips[close][close]
I'm gonna skate them with both washers on and the nut flushExpand Quotei tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)Expand QuoteI wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.Expand QuoteI'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips[close][close][close]
New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.
Mine took a while to break in like 10 decent sessions but feel great now.how much impact do the washers make during break in. if i skate with washers will the bushings get softer in comparison with skating without any washers?
Definitely got much looser. I switched to Indy top washers during break in, because they are around 1mm thinner and give a little more room for the bushing to be soft enough even when flush.
Now, broken in I can put the ace washer back and have a better compression and pretension on the bushing for smoother turn, less tippy on center.
About equal, I think. But I like how the washers increase the rebound and compression of the bushing a lot. I like riding my trucks looser but with bushings. Without them I feel like the turn is mushy and spongy in comparison. Because the bushing is not held in place by the washer it can deform more and just feels very different, not just softer, if that makes sense.ok so im gonna ride with no washers until i break them in and then putting them back. thx
The bushing should be harder the more it is compressed (the deeper the turn) so it is easy to turn and hard to wheel bite. Loosing the washer just makes the turn softer all the way to max deepness and the bushing doesn’t push back as hard when compressed between the washer and hanger.
So hard to compare the softness per se, but the turn is better with washers after break in. You can loosen the kp more (have an easier initial turn and wiggle with less wheelbite and more rebound in deeper turns)
That’s my boy, you’ll gonna love it after a while.
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I'm gonna skate them with both washers on and the nut flushExpand QuoteExpand Quotei tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)Expand QuoteI wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.Expand QuoteI'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips[close][close][close]
New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.[close]
no washers 4 nowThat’s my boy, you’ll gonna love it after a while.Expand Quote
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I'm gonna skate them with both washers on and the nut flushExpand QuoteExpand Quotei tried removing both washers, but that eliminates the stability that aces provide without compromising turnability (or so I've heard)Expand QuoteI wouldn’t do it, but I also liked my stock aces since the first minute. Coming from indies with orange aftermarket cylinders I felt no difference other than aces really turn on dime.Expand QuoteI'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips[close][close][close]
New Aces are really painful to break-in, but once done it will be perfect.[close][close]
slipped axle on my pair after a few months, never made it to that axle despite how fast I was getting a nice groove from slappies. back on Indys for the foreseeable future, after going back I feel like the turn is about the same, but I definitely notice the wheelbase change, took like 10 mins to get used to but definitely made the board feel less squirrelly after I popped, which again just took adjusting too wasn't make or break.
definitely gonna be checking this thread when they drop the 8.5 truck to see what they did though, not giving up on ace yet. trying to break bullshit brand loyalty by trying new shit but keep getting disappointed.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SBNgIBZRp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SBNgIBZRp/)
I'm having a hard time breaking in my 1.5 week old ace trucks. should i give up and put on bones bushings? any tips
https://www.amazon.com/Grind-King-kingpin-skateboard-independent/dp/B07C36BNMLYikes! $18 shipped for 2 bolts, 2 nuts, and an Allen key?
For anyone looking for the Kingpins in Grosso's trucks.
Yikes! $18 shipped for 2 bolts, 2 nuts, and an Allen key?Expand Quotehttps://www.amazon.com/Grind-King-kingpin-skateboard-independent/dp/B07C36BNML
For anyone looking for the Kingpins in Grosso's trucks.[close]
Too rich for my blood. That's about $4-5 at the hardware store. Only tough part might be finding a bolt with a smooth shank.
If someone wants to measure the underhead length I'll poke around for hardware locally and let you guys know what I can find.
This bolt is too short and the smooth shank portion is also too short. Just putting it up for the dimensions pic.
https://www.mcmaster.com/92949a655
I did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)
A few set-ups later...
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)
I’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken gojust started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want - weight saving in the titanium?
just started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want - weight saving in the titanium?Expand QuoteI’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go[close]
Lighter than regular 129's! I think you could make a modern fattie lighter than an 90's pinner. Stage 7-8 were soooooo heavy.Expand Quotejust started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want - weight saving in the titanium?Expand QuoteI’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go[close][close]
NHS site lists the weights. From what I remember 169 Ti is lighter than 149 regular.
Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.Expand QuoteI did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)
A few set-ups later...
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)[close]
I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?
Lighter than regular 129's! I think you could make a modern fattie lighter than an 90's pinner. Stage 7-8 were soooooo heavy.Expand QuoteExpand Quotejust started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want - weight saving in the titanium?Expand QuoteI’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go[close][close]
NHS site lists the weights. From what I remember 169 Ti is lighter than 149 regular.[close]
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/
Bones lists weights for a set of wheels. Double the difference in weight for the trucks and you could add that much weight to your wheels without really feeling it. For the size wheels I was looking at it was around 2-3mm larger.
just started riding 169 standard so I’m intrigued. What decks you riding with em? What’s your want - weight saving in the titanium?Expand QuoteI’m getting close to replacing my 169 standard Indy’s with either 169 titanium’s or maybe some Aces. Not sure why I’m posting that but there ya fucken go[close]
Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)
A few set-ups later...
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)[close]
I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)
After skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.Yeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?
I feel like a crazy person for asking this, but:
Does anyone have a line on the speed rings that Ace uses? They're thicker/nicer than other brands, and all the aftermarkets that I've bought have been super thin. I hit up Ace and they don't currently sell them.
I'm trying to give my 44s another shot on an 8.6".
Yeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?Expand QuoteAfter skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.[close]
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows? And how can I make them ride like Indys? Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
Expand QuoteYeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?Expand QuoteAfter skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.[close]
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.[close]
If you skate Indy, I feel the TI is the only way to go these days, when compared to other trucks.
With Thunder, I honestly don't think it's worth it over forged hollows especially when skating smaller sizes, 149+ perhaps. Sure, the TI are lighter but once it's setup you won't feel the difference.
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows? And how can I make them ride like Indys? Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
So, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows? And how can I make them ride like Indys? Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.
on what deck? Curious to hear on what wheelbase/what environmentExpand QuoteSo, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows? And how can I make them ride like Indys? Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.[close]
I switched from 169s to Ace 55s a few months ago and couldn't be happier
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYeah. I'm kinda feeling the same way. And msrp just went up to $84 for Ti. $54 for hollow cast or forged?Expand QuoteAfter skating titanium’s in many sizes, I don’t think a $20 price hike is worth it. Forged hollows are only $10 more than standards and that makes sense.[close]
But if you can find Ti on sale for under $60, factor in $6-7 for better bushings, it's not that bad compared to (full price) hollows. At least that's what I tell myself.[close]
If you skate Indy, I feel the TI is the only way to go these days, when compared to other trucks.
With Thunder, I honestly don't think it's worth it over forged hollows especially when skating smaller sizes, 149+ perhaps. Sure, the TI are lighter but once it's setup you won't feel the difference.[close]
Thunder titanium lights are insanely light though, the closest thing to the tensor mags and theeve TiH’s.
on what deck? Curious to hear on what wheelbase/what environmentExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSo, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows? And how can I make them ride like Indys? Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.[close]
I switched from 169s to Ace 55s a few months ago and couldn't be happier[close]
Expand QuoteSo, if I wanna get away from Indys, what Aces are like a 169, and how does their weight compare to the Indy Titaniums / Hollows? And how can I make them ride like Indys? Pretty over NHS and Indy is the only brand I use of theirs.[close]
They will never be the same. I would say film are the most similar to Indy, in some aspects. There is also off-brand Indy clones, forgot the name though.
For aces they will be a little squirmier and a weight wise like Indy standards (even though they feel a little lighter)
They don’t have a 9.1 like 169s but you can go with 55 (9”) or 66 (9.3”) I’d do 55s with an extra washer, that might be closest to 169. And since they are a bit lower add 1/8” riser to however you are riding the indies and they feel very similar and very good.
how are aces on flat/mellow kick decks
Expand Quotehow are aces on flat/mellow kick decks[close]
I skated an Antihero (which I would consider pretty flat) on Aces and I loved it. I'll probably get another deck similar to the one I had as soon as I see another one at a shop.
I also love Quasi decks on Aces. And those generally have pretty steep kicks.
I can't tell you mathematically why I like them, but I can tell you I did.
Does anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?
Whack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)
A few set-ups later...
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)[close]
I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)
Expand QuoteDoes anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?[close]
I'm kind of in the same situation. I really want to get some 33's, but the stock seems to be dwindling, and buying an old model when a new one is on the horizon is a tough sale. We don't know much about them yet. They could end up being amazing, or they could leave everyone pining for the old model. Do I risk it, or play it safe and wait?
I ride 8.1 decks so waiting seems beneficial since I like 8.25 trucks. The current 8.35 just doesn't work for me, and I usually go for 8.0 when I know the truck is prone to wheelbite. But everyone seems to agree that isn't an issue with Ace, so an 8.25 would be dope.
I want to try Ace’s. That’s all I have to say.same. BUT...
Does anyone else have a feeling the new Ace will suck and trying to hunt down the previous models is going to be a pain in the ass. For example, dealing with resellers charging a stupid amount etc. I want to try Ace's but there doesn't seem to be an ETA on the new lineup, just sometime in the spring?
Expand QuoteWhack the kingpin with a dead blow hammer. Clean the pocket out and set the new kingpin nut. JB Weld the nut in there, but be careful not to get any in the nut. I taped it closed. You might need to sand the top bushing down a bit to give the kingpin a good bite. Its a really close fit and if you ride loose trucks, you might not get it secure. At first I added some Loc-Tite, but ended up sanding the bushings.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI did the Krux Down Lows a while back.
(https://i.imgur.com/455diEW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/arwetrh.jpg)
A few set-ups later...
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOD82Wb.jpg?1)[close]
I’m about where your top pic was at rn. How did you press out the kingpins?[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/JikUuoQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sKUhTIx.jpg)[close]
Does the jbweld hold it in there good?
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
Expand Quotehow do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)[close]
I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehow do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)[close]
I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly[close]
I've always kept Ace stock, never played with changing bushings at all. Don't see the need.
On the other hand for Indys I will put Bones in them before I even mount the trucks. I haven't used stock Indy bushings for the last 3 sets I've had.
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehow do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)[close]
I ride 66s, stock, Flush in the back, just under flush in the front.
I ride my aces tighter than my indies.
1/8“ ml risers that fit perfectly[close]
I've always kept Ace stock, never played with changing bushings at all. Don't see the need.
On the other hand for Indys I will put Bones in them before I even mount the trucks. I haven't used stock Indy bushings for the last 3 sets I've had.[close]
After the initial break in they keep getting better and better. My old ass indies still have the best turn.
I,realized though, that the hollows come with after market bushings that seem to be higher quality and don‘t shred up that much but never feel as good as the stock orange ones.
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
now I actually have some of that thing they call steez
my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips
my ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
Expand Quotemy ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips[close]
Use Indy/thunder washers. They are around half a mm thinner per washer so it feels like you open the nut by 1mm, much difference and easily reversible
Expand Quotemy ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips[close]
You could shave down the top bushing a little, that does the trick for me on pretty much every other truck I’ve wanted to loosen up.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotemy ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips[close]
Use Indy/thunder washers. They are around half a mm thinner per washer so it feels like you open the nut by 1mm, much difference and easily reversible[close]Expand QuoteExpand Quotemy ace trucks still feel kinda tight after almost 6 weeks. any tips[close]
You could shave down the top bushing a little, that does the trick for me on pretty much every other truck I’ve wanted to loosen up.[close]
Or you could totally commit to the madness and get a set of the ACE LOW bushings and use the top with the stock bottom - makes a huge difference if you ride loose.
I talked with Ace about their new trucks via email and they said the release has been pushed until the end of summer.
Expand QuoteI talked with Ace about their new trucks via email and they said the release has been pushed until the end of summer.[close]
Coronavirus?
sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces. Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?Khiro if you want hard, RipTide if you want some squish
Khiro makes a soft and a hard? Are they really an upgrade or just a stock replacement?Khiro if you want hard, RipTide if you want some squishExpand Quotesorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces. Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?[close]
damn, RipTide makes specific ones for all these models?? How different are they and can I not just buy any of the RipTides or do I specifically need the Ace ones?
if that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.
Expand Quoteif that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.[close]
Venture 2020 will pick up the slack.
Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story
(https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg)
Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story
(https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg)
Yep. Pivot nub looks polished too.Expand QuoteHere’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story
[img]https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg[/ig][close]
I spy...
Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....
....and shitty axle nuts.
Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.
Let's see some hollow axles!
Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we cna hope) ACE truck.
how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)
Expand Quotehow do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)[close]
bones top to get more rattle without cutting the stocks.
I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.
Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?
The new hangers are beefed up without being hollowed out underneath?
Are they going to be heavier? Curious about what’s to come!
I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.Krux are very similar in size to Ace stock. They're 92a top and bottom. Best bushings out there if the hardness is right for you.
Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?
I spy...Super down with hollow kingpins, but I was really hoping for titanium axles. Skating mostly tech, steel axle trucks die on me prematurely because the threads get completely gored after a while. You can only re-thread them so many times before the nuts start traveling up and down the axle. Main reason I'm still on titanium indy's.
Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....
....and shitty axle nuts.
Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.
Let's see some hollow axles!
Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we can hope) ACE truck.
Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?Harder isn't the way to go with aluminum as that tends to make it more brittle and prone to crack.
Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?
He’s posted “developments” like that in his IG story before with previous variations, and their QC didn’t develop that great so....yeah. Hanger isn’t reworked to stop the bending. Back to inferior axle nuts...they take 2 steps forward and then 10 back.
I dunno. I'm a layman but I find Thunder/ Indy grind better than Ace. Ace metal currently feels too soft and a more difficult to smash through curbs and pool coping. Ace definitely wear down quicker and I assume that is b/c of the shape of the metal and the "softness"...
Krux are very similar in size to Ace stock. They're 92a top and bottom. Best bushings out there if the hardness is right for you.Expand QuoteI ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.
Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?[close]
I use them without washers on indy's for a loose but stable setup.
edit..
I did a quick review of alloys a few pages back. Yes to softer and wear more quickly. But most ppl say that make em grind better?
Me too, watching from the sidelines and letting the R&D take shape for the next releaseExpand Quote
edit..
I did a quick review of alloys a few pages back. Yes to softer and wear more quickly. But most ppl say that make em grind better?[close]
I've read that also. I've found otherwise. It is not enough for me not to rid them but I find a noticeable lag in the grind on most surfaces. Still love the trucks. I'm in the optimistic camp in thinking the new Aces will settle my truck issues for some time. It might be awhile before we see them though...
Took my aces off yesterday and apart from the kingpin being supper rattly and loose, also the pivot cup hole is blown out. After two months of pretty easy winter skating.
Never had these problems with other trucks.
Does anyone on here feel know what the best replacement kingpins are?
Thanks
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
As wide as you dare to go? I ride 44’s on 8.5” and wouldn’t go any wider than that, I prefer 8.4” with them.I mean I used them in a 9.25 baker board but at the time i had 58mm conical full which were worn down to 54mm but were really wide, how does it affect on stuff like grinds if the truck is considerably smaller than the board?
Couldn't agree more, maybe you can stretch it until 8Expand QuoteHey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.[close]
In my experience, 8.5 is the max I would want to run 44s on. Depends on how full the shape is too. You can push your wheels out a little bit too by adding an extra washer on the axel before you put your wheel on, if you're like me and like to see a bit of wheel poking out.
Expand QuoteHey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.[close]
I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.[close]
I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s[close]How wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middleExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.[close]
I rode an 8.75 on 44’s with 60mm wheels last year and I think that was the limit of what those trucks could handle, for me. On 8.8+ I have to move up to 55’s[close]
I rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.[close]
About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a picHow wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middleExpand QuoteI rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.[close]
About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a picExpand QuoteHow wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middleExpand QuoteI rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.[close][close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/
Hey guys, whats the biggest size board you can use 44s in. Im currently riding them with 56mm conical fulls on an 8.5 and they work fine, how much can I stretch the board range I use them on.
My only experience was indy 139’s on a 8.25” bloard but it just didn’t felt right, like crook pinch was weird and it was hard to get decent nollie out of it and for some reason I landed shitload of primos on that setup. When I switched to 149’s it was all good again.I mean I used them in a 9.25 baker board but at the time i had 58mm conical full which were worn down to 54mm but were really wide, how does it affect on stuff like grinds if the truck is considerably smaller than the board?Expand QuoteAs wide as you dare to go? I ride 44’s on 8.5” and wouldn’t go any wider than that, I prefer 8.4” with them.[close]
I skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?Everybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.
is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just madEverybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.Expand QuoteI skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?[close]
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same
Maybe redrill mounting holes?is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just madExpand QuoteEverybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.Expand QuoteI skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?[close]
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same[close]
About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a picExpand QuoteHow wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middleExpand QuoteI rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.[close][close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/
I was eyeing that deck a long time ago, can you show a top pic?Click the right arrow
About 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a picExpand QuoteHow wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middleExpand QuoteI rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.[close][close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/
Expand QuoteAbout 8.6 - 8.75 - here's a picExpand QuoteHow wide is the deck at the bolts, the one n the picture I posted measured 9in bolts and got wider by the middleExpand QuoteI rock 44s on my shaped 9.125 - but the 60mm slime balls stick out past the axle, so it comes about flush around the taper.[close][close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9C1z_KJfrq/[close]
I was eyeing that deck a long time ago, can you show a top pic?
is there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just madExpand QuoteEverybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.Expand QuoteI skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?[close]
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same[close]
how much did the pop feel changeExpand Quoteis there anything I can do without changing the trucks? I loved the pop feel and the board was pretty mellow, would a steep 14.5 deck make the pop feel similar or im just madExpand QuoteEverybody is different but sure 1/4" is a noticeable difference.Expand QuoteI skated an 8.5 with 14.75 wheelbase and loved the pop feel with aces, its hard to find that wheelbase where im from (chile), will 14.5 feel too different?[close]
14.5 with Indy's should be mor or less the same[close][close]
Recently went from a 14.75" WB to a 14.5" WB with Aces and it feels fine. Both boards are very flat/mellow. Took me a session to get used to it but it's been great since. TBH I don't think I'd go back.
Any advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?I find a really good flat parking block and line the hole in the block with the kingpin and hammer it out. Magnesium is brittle and will crack more easily, so it would help to use a rubber riser pad to disperse some impact from the hammer. They did come out easily. As for how I got the mag plates - they're old - they were in stock at socal and just kept them for a while. I have another set as backup with the kingpins still in I bought from a Pal here - cheers!
People I'm bored since I have to stay at home. I want to ask the people that see this to post a pic of their board and their ace trucks if you don't mind :)(https://i.imgur.com/yN3pE10l.jpg)
any chance Ace trucks ships to Malaysia/South East Asia? so far none Kuala Lumpur shops are bringing them in
Am I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?Did you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.
I think this is due to cold weather making the bushings feel harder - I'm located in a very hot/humid area and mine felt very wobbly at first, and seemed to graduate to a happy medium after break-in. Perhaps you're in a colder area? Maybe "factory tight" isn't too precise?Did you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.Expand QuoteAm I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?[close]
I kept em stock.
Yeah, but I have both bushing washers and the nut barely hanging on and they feel to tight when I push them down with my hand, they turn but I feel them tightDid you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.Expand QuoteAm I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?[close]
I kept em stock.
Probably, when I first stood on mine they were loose afI think this is due to cold weather making the bushings feel harder - I'm located in a very hot/humid area and mine felt very wobbly at first, and seemed to graduate to a happy medium after break-in. Perhaps you're in a colder area? Maybe "factory tight" isn't too precise?Expand QuoteDid you break em in yet? I couldn't believe how tight mine were the first week or two, now they feel great.Expand QuoteAm I the only one who feels that aces feel tight with both washers on? Is this how they should feel?[close]
I kept em stock.[close]
I find a really good flat parking block and line the hole in the block with the kingpin and hammer it out. Magnesium is brittle and will crack more easily, so it would help to use a rubber riser pad to disperse some impact from the hammer. They did come out easily. As for how I got the mag plates - they're old - they were in stock at socal and just kept them for a while. I have another set as backup with the kingpins still in I bought from a Pal here - cheers!Expand QuoteAny advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?[close]
How are medium bones bushings on v3 aces
Expand QuoteI find a really good flat parking block and line the hole in the block with the kingpin and hammer it out. Magnesium is brittle and will crack more easily, so it would help to use a rubber riser pad to disperse some impact from the hammer. They did come out easily. As for how I got the mag plates - they're old - they were in stock at socal and just kept them for a while. I have another set as backup with the kingpins still in I bought from a Pal here - cheers!Expand QuoteAny advice/tips on putting kreper pins in? I have had some for ages but scared to fuck with my favourite truck. Do the kingpins come out easily?[close][close]
Any JB weld or glue for the nut? What kind of JB if so.
Quarantine has helped me figure out the perfect truck. 44s. DLK. Stock bushings, top bushing cut in half. Left all the washers on.That top bushing always gives problems.
Quarantine has helped me figure out the perfect truck. 44s. DLK. Stock bushings, top bushing cut in half. Left all the washers on.even better: kreper pin with the full top bushing intact
Im looking to buy a deck, what characteristics work well with aces
(SHORT vs LONG WB, STEEP VS MELLOW KICKS, ETC).
Any input is very well received
Expand QuoteHow are medium bones bushings on v3 aces[close]
I use one on top only.
The bottom doesn't fit proper unless you put both washers on the bottom.
I recommend this if you like really really loose trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow are medium bones bushings on v3 aces[close]
I use one on top only.
The bottom doesn't fit proper unless you put both washers on the bottom.
I recommend this if you like really really loose trucks.[close]
By top one do you mean top bushing? So top bushing is bones hardcore and bottom is stock, or do you mean washers?
Im currently riding with bones hardcore soft and both washers still in, and its a dream.
any chance Ace trucks ships to Malaysia/South East Asia? so far none Kuala Lumpur shops are bringing them in
Sorry if it’s already been talked about, but anyone try 1/8” risers with Ace’s?
I plan to get a set of Ace’s but I know they’re lower than Indy’s. Just curious on what people thought.
Sorry if it’s already been talked about, but anyone try 1/8” risers with Ace’s?
I plan to get a set of Ace’s but I know they’re lower than Indy’s. Just curious on what people thought.
I've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.
Expand QuoteI've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.[close]
Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.[close]
Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?[close]
For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.[close]
Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?[close]
For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending[close]
Ah. Thanks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.[close]
Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?[close]
For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending[close]
Ah. Thanks.[close]
Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.[close]
Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?[close]
For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending[close]
Ah. Thanks.[close]
Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.[close]
Nice, I’ve been curious about the DOA Flat. Do they have a lot of fingers of flat between bolts and kicks?
That’s definitely true about Aces and mellow kicks/lots of fingers of flat. Manuals feel great.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've got to axle on a few sets of Aces and never had a baseplate issue.[close]
Never got to axle, haven’t had a baseplate problem.
I want to get some 33s, and I’d be stoked to try 03s, but trying to consume less. So instead I’m just typing about it on the internet.
I was enjoying my 44s, but only when I was riding like 56s. If I skate a smaller wheel I was having pop problems. And I need all of the help getting off of the ground.
Ace turn is the best.
Does anyone else notice less pop on ace or is it just (most certainly) me?[close]
For me Ace pop is perfect on steep kicks with little to no fingers of flat. I think it’s because they pull the wheelbase in more than most other trucks, so when there are fingers of flat and/or mellow kicks they pop terribly for me. I’ll usually go Indy-Venture for those decks depending[close]
Ah. Thanks.[close]
Oddly enough I really enjoyed my 44s on an 8.5" DOA flat (14.5" WB). The pushed the wheelbase in nicely and made the already mellow kicks feel even more controlled. It was super good for manuals.[close]
Nice, I’ve been curious about the DOA Flat. Do they have a lot of fingers of flat between bolts and kicks?
That’s definitely true about Aces and mellow kicks/lots of fingers of flat. Manuals feel great.[close]
They do. I'll post a pic of the flat on an 8.25" and an 8.5" tomorrow or Monday.
Back on my set of old 44’s after skating bigger boards for a few months. Can’t help but notice they don’t seem to be as responsive as they used to be. They also mush out at a certain point. Have heard a few people on here using a Bones Medium top, will this solve my problem? Almost feels like there isn’t enough rebound, even though I don’t weight very much at all.
Anybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.
Thanks,
Expand QuoteAnybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.
Thanks,[close]
I skated some any years back and really enjoyed them, they're 48mm and next to no kingpin grind clearance (but the nut does sit below the hanger.
I don't have a comparison pic, here is what I've got and it's not helpful :P
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dsn-6UiPb1dqLO1bGLNCKANMFo-ruo-6AzAuuFxMdm8yyn8R3fyJDjB0RuZ12uWUlPseXskSV3hybDpyu3SjfWJ69XEg8545AmlyOnSVBOVb5-bCANJU-SHMmokBOxmH-m-5RuP_60U)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnybody have own the lows? Was looking at getting a set of 03's but can never find a good pic of how low they really are.
Thanks,[close]
I skated some any years back and really enjoyed them, they're 48mm and next to no kingpin grind clearance (but the nut does sit below the hanger.
I don't have a comparison pic, here is what I've got and it's not helpful :P
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dsn-6UiPb1dqLO1bGLNCKANMFo-ruo-6AzAuuFxMdm8yyn8R3fyJDjB0RuZ12uWUlPseXskSV3hybDpyu3SjfWJ69XEg8545AmlyOnSVBOVb5-bCANJU-SHMmokBOxmH-m-5RuP_60U)[close]
51 the biggest wheel you’d run w/em?
Why’d you quit them?
33/03 is probably my favorite looking truck (that and and ‘94 ish ventures)
anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's
Expand Quoteanyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's[close]
I rode 44’s on an 8.75 Bacon last year and loved it. Had some 60mm Spitfire OG classics on it, which are fairly wide so it didn’t look to weird or anything. Rode just fine. Don’t think I would go any bigger than that for 44’s though
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteanyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's[close]
I rode 44’s on an 8.75 Bacon last year and loved it. Had some 60mm Spitfire OG classics on it, which are fairly wide so it didn’t look to weird or anything. Rode just fine. Don’t think I would go any bigger than that for 44’s though[close]
How did the bacon concave treat you? All the bacons I had in my hand were so crazy deep that I never dared to buy one, even though they are very sympathetic as a company
anyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's
+ 1 on thisExpand Quoteanyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's[close]
55s without a doubt in my mind
+ 1 on thisExpand QuoteExpand Quoteanyone have experience with 44's on an 8.75? should i not even set it up and just get 55's[close]
55s without a doubt in my mind[close]
I’ve done it, wanted to make it work so bad but it just got too tippy, even with 3 washers on the inside. I rode 55’s on my 8.75 Eagle but I just don’t like the way they pop/flip in comparison.
BB is one of those boards that could really benefit from an Ace size in between 44 and 55. I use 44s on mine as its a street rig but if I was most skating tranny on it, 55s would be fine also. 8.75" trucks fit best on that deck.
one of my aces is tilted/crooked does it matter? how can i fix it
Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.sorry but could you explain what QC is? thx
Sorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.sorry but could you explain what QC is? thxExpand QuoteJust ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.[close]
Sorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.Expand Quotesorry but could you explain what QC is? thxExpand QuoteJust ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.[close][close]
Expand QuoteSorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.Expand Quotesorry but could you explain what QC is? thxExpand QuoteJust ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.[close][close][close]
I don't know anyone that's had any major issues with theirs... the worst thing to happen to mine is some rattling but it's never affected my performance.
Just ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.Fuck it. They’re on the way. Ride the hell out of them. Expecting the worst is the best way to always get let down. Give ‘em hell, man!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry, I meant quality control. I've read a few accounts of slipped axels and blown out stock bushings. Was wondering if they corrected anything with the new batch or if it was still a wide spread issue.Expand Quotesorry but could you explain what QC is? thxExpand QuoteJust ordered some 44's for my filmer set up. It seems to be a newer batch as this shop was out just a few weeks ago. Is there still QC issues or have they improved? I guess it doesnt matter as I've already rolled the dice. Still would be good to expect the worst than get blindsided.[close][close][close]
I don't know anyone that's had any major issues with theirs... the worst thing to happen to mine is some rattling but it's never affected my performance.[close]
I’ve gotten loose pins and bent axels on both 33 and 44 sets in the past months to a year :/
When are the new ones coming out?
I hope the rumor of them being 55mm isn’t true, I love them being 52mm, perfect height
Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.
hahahahahaExpand QuoteSet mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.[close]
Instantly start swapping parts n’ pieces in and out and tighten and loosen the trucks in between maneuvers
Might’ve gotten an older set with the rock hard stock bushings? I’m 210 and those new stock bushings get me pretty good wheelbite when I lean hard. Definitely far from a tight truck even at factory tightness.Damn. Do I have to order new bushings after one session with them? What have I gotten myself into...
ace quality control in a nutshellDamn. Do I have to order new bushings after one session with them? What have I gotten myself into...Expand QuoteMight’ve gotten an older set with the rock hard stock bushings? I’m 210 and those new stock bushings get me pretty good wheelbite when I lean hard. Definitely far from a tight truck even at factory tightness.[close]
Set mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.
Expand QuoteSet mine up today and the they feel super tight untouched from factory tightness. After hearing everyone talk about the bushings hardening up and not to worry about it being too loose at first, I'm confused. Anyone else experience this? I'm nearing 200lbs too so its not a weight issue.[close]
loosen them just a bit and leave them. the bushings take a week or two before they start to feel good
I am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.
Its an Element with barely any flat before the kicks. I put 144 indys on it yesterday and it felt great other than the width. It severely bothers me being able to see the axle nuts. I was just going to pick up some 139s but I wanted to check here with you guys as Ace has interested Me for a while.Expand QuoteI am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.[close]
What 8" deck? How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?
Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder. Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy.
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.
I use one on top only.Expand QuoteHow are medium bones bushings on v3 aces[close]
Its an Element with barely any flat before the kicks. I put 144 indys on it yesterday and it felt great other than the width. It severely bothers me being able to see the axle nuts. I was just going to pick up some 139s but I wanted to check here with you guys as Ace has interested Me for a while.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.[close]
What 8" deck? How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?
Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder. Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy.[close]
Expand QuoteDoes anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.[close]
The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).
Good points..I have used the .25 overhang on bigger setups and liked it. And tbh my tricks dont get much cleaner than yesterday. But what stuck out the most was when you said "Ace 33s are dope" So I have to order them.Expand QuoteIts an Element with barely any flat before the kicks. I put 144 indys on it yesterday and it felt great other than the width. It severely bothers me being able to see the axle nuts. I was just going to pick up some 139s but I wanted to check here with you guys as Ace has interested Me for a while.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI am setting up a 8" and I have sold off my Indy 139s and venture 5.2s. I am looking at Ace 33s, but I have never used Ace before and would like some feedback first. I just do the basic old washed up skater shit..flatground fliptricks, quarter pipes, curbs and low ledges. Thanks guys.[close]
What 8" deck? How steep is it? How much flat between the bolts and tail kick?
Flatter and more space is generally better with a truck with more offset like a Venture or Thunder. Steeper with less space is often nicer with an Ace or Indy.[close][close]
Ace 33s are dope.
Buy all the things, I’m in a deep spiral of talking myself into all kinds of bullshit.
That being said: give the setup a shot. You might end up really liking the .25 overhang. There are distinct advantages to trucks wider than board. Firstly: looks cool as fuck. Something something something stability and pinch
Does anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.[close]
The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).[close]
anyway to visually tell which bushings are DD?
got two sets of Ace coming, was trying to wait for the redesign but i don't see that happening anytime soon.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone else find that Ace bushings take FOREVER to break in? It's literally the only reason why I haven't fully switched to them.[close]
The new Dual Duro ones? Nope. I'm 180lbs and they feel great right out of the gate and only get better with time (and I ride loose).[close]
anyway to visually tell which bushings are DD?
got two sets of Ace coming, was trying to wait for the redesign but i don't see that happening anytime soon.
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?Sounds like a lot, I wouldn't do it. Is my theory that you can go 1/4 of an inch up or down, no more than that.
Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.
Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?
Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.
Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.
Thought's on 55's on 8.38? Too much over hang? Anyone running this that can post a pic?
Shortage of raw 44's has my tempted to buy 55's and force them to work. I am used to 8.5 in truck on 8.25 decks.
Just set up blue 44's (not big on color'd trucks) on 8.25 not quite as wide as I'm used to with my 5.8 Ventures, which may be contributing to some of my dislike and also why I keep trying to make ACE work. Also not really wanting to go up to 8.5 or larger cause I still want to flip my board.
Speaking of Ace and bushings, I just tried this but on Ace 33s:Expand QuoteI use one on top only.Expand QuoteHow are medium bones bushings on v3 aces[close][close]
...and it's not bad. I mean fuck, I just did it today for one flatground session.
Long-winded post
Pontus running some Aces in the Polar IG.
(https://i.imgur.com/mXyktI2.png)
Bought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
Expand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).[close]
Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger, it ace shorten the wheel to to wheel wb so blah blah blah.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).[close]
Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger, it ace shorten the wheel to to wheel wb so blah blah blah.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation[close]
No problem at all! The Pennswood deep concaves generally have a smaller wheelbase than the other ones but those are harder to find now. You might be able to message him on Instagram to see if anyone carries those currently. The wb on those is usually 14-14.25.
I really need to try a Northern co one of these days. I love the graphic/veneer combos they make. Beautiful
I'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.
I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.
Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.
I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).[close]
Thanks! A lot of those brands I’ve been dodging, as the wb is bigger, it ace shorten the wheel to to wheel wb so blah blah blah.
I’ve always dodged Northern Co for this reason.
Thanks again for recommendation[close]
No problem at all! The Pennswood deep concaves generally have a smaller wheelbase than the other ones but those are harder to find now. You might be able to message him on Instagram to see if anyone carries those currently. The wb on those is usually 14-14.25.
I really need to try a Northern co one of these days. I love the graphic/veneer combos they make. Beautiful[close]
The northern co boards look excellent, slightly too mature, which won’t make sense. But they always look beautiful.
That Jameel part is really rad.
ace bushings in thunder trucks should work like magicExpand QuoteI'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.
I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.[close]
Very valid.
I need to figure out what those parts are and stick.
I like thunders pop, but can’t skate wheels greater than 52 without it driving me crazy/wheelbite.
Love the way ACE turn, haven’t ever been able to flip my board well with them.
Skated venture lo’s forever, hard to skate a regular sized wheel (I live in some crusty places, and most of my skating is solo in semi shit parking lots, small wheels are great for the park).
Trying not to skate Indy.
Blah blah.
Thanks for the advice!!
Yo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.
I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.
Expand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
For me, anything with steep kicks and no fingers of flat goes great with 44’s. I especially like South centrals standard mold (DOA, Politic), Pennswood deep concave (don’t know anyone currently using that. Scumco used to), and steeper BBS/generator decks (had an Antihero, Krooked and a Real that I particularly liked).[close]
Second this...mine feel best on steep generator decks. Great with Heroin 8.5 shape.
Ah, I didn't want to say it but I had a bad feeling in my stomach it might be the kingpins.Expand QuoteYo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.
I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.[close]
The kingpin's loose. It's been like that on my 55s for a couple years now. Kind of annoying at first but it hasn't affected the performance though.
Ah, I didn't want to say it but I had a bad feeling in my stomach it might be the kingpins.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYo Ace heads, I feel like I've been noticing a metallic clinking type of sound when I'm going over rougher ground.
I thought it was just my bolts rattling loose, but it's a fresh board and I tightened the bolts as usual.
My next thought is that I've punctured the pivot cup and the hanger pin in just rattling in the pivot cup metal on metal.
I don't like taking my trucks apart since the nuts are ground down and hard to re-thread onto the kingpin.
Is this the usual diagnosis for a blown out pivot cup? From the outside they seem ok.[close]
The kingpin's loose. It's been like that on my 55s for a couple years now. Kind of annoying at first but it hasn't affected the performance though.[close]
What's the solution to this? Lock-tite? or can you just bash it back in? driving me nuts.
Also, someone else mentioned they sent their's in under warranty, sorry don't know how to double quote.
Is it worth a shot? THX!
Bought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?
33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
Expand QuoteBought to cross post this nonsense:
I am starting to believe, again, that certain trucks work better with certain deck brands.
I haven’t established my ideal anything.
Does anyone have a fave deck for ACE 44s?[close]
Traffic coakley 8.4 with the prayer beads on it was definitely #1.
8.5 deluxe. In particular the green r1 oval and the 8.5 krooked team eyes.
Expand QuoteI'm the opposite, I like Ace on boards with lots of flat and mellow kicks. Favorite combo was my last setup, DOA 8.25 flat with 44s and 51mm tablets. Thats just me.
I'm not trying to be contrarian or to dismiss anyones experience or tastes, but the idea that you should use Ventures/Thunders on boards with lots of flat/mellow kicks and Aces/Indy on boards with shorter/steeper kicks assumes that a certain middle ground is always the most desirable (which I don't think is always the case). I'm 37, have never been good at skateboarding, and switch my shit up way too often BUT I do find that when I just stick with stuff and don't switch things up based on stuff like that, I skate the best/have the best time.[close]
Very valid.
I need to figure out what those parts are and stick.
I like thunders pop, but can’t skate wheels greater than 52 without it driving me crazy/wheelbite.
Love the way ACE turn, haven’t ever been able to flip my board well with them.
Skated venture lo’s forever, hard to skate a regular sized wheel (I live in some crusty places, and most of my skating is solo in semi shit parking lots, small wheels are great for the park).
Trying not to skate Indy.
Blah blah.
Thanks for the advice!!
Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?
Anyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.
Expand QuoteAnyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.[close]
Rats. Big fan of using that as a curse/swear.
I’ve just don’t the acetone, paint thinner, leav submerged, and then metal brush bristle them off.
Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?Expand QuoteAnyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.[close]
Easy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?Expand QuoteAnyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course rats restock this week.[close]
33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.
Expand Quote33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.[close]
I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing. They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger. This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".
https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)
I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
Expand QuoteI'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?[close]
If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.
Expand Quote33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.[close]
I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing. They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger. This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".
https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?[close]
If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.[close]
Rad, thank you. How's axel slippage on Aces? I know that's been a problem for my Indys in the past with the number of slappies I do.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?[close]
If the new deck is the same dimensions as what you usually ride, then making the switch to Aces shouldn't be too jarring coming from Indy's. If you run both Ace washers on the inside, it'd help get the width out a bit more into 149 territory as well.[close]
Rad, thank you. How's axel slippage on Aces? I know that's been a problem for my Indys in the past with the number of slappies I do.[close]
No problem. I'm back and forth between Aces and Indy's depending on my level of boredom, never noticed any extreme axle slipping from either in the last couple years. That said, I'm sure others could chime in and say otherwise, I've gotten lucky never having issues with Aces (only had V3's).
I'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?
Expand QuoteExpand Quote33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.[close]
I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing. They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger. This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".
https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)[close]
On my ventures I can get 3 rings on the inside with these!
excuse my stupid/drunk self but what are these supposed to doExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote33s measure a tad under 8'. At least mine are and I think they're the V1s. This trips me out too much to put them on a 8.125 and I have to resort back to my indys.[close]
I just picked up some Ti axle nuts from Acer Racing. They are each .07" thinner than a normal axle nut - which allows two more speed rings on the inside of each wheel - effectively giving you .14" extra hanger. This could take care of your sub 8" axles, but is also good for people that complain that the 44s aren't 8.5".
https://www.acerracing.com/products/5-16-24-titanium-skateboard-wheel-nuts-4-pieces
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0016/7159/4019/products/ti69-1_900x.jpg)[close]
On my ventures I can get 3 rings on the inside with these![close]
I run three on my 44’s and one on the outside. I just flip my axle nuts so the nylock catches fully and they sit just past flush on the end of the axle so they don’t get touched. Problem solved, and no need to spend all that money on Ti axle nuts.
Expand QuoteI'm getting a new board which dimensions are 8.25 x 31.875 with a 14.125 wheelbase. I normally skate Indy 149's but am going to be switching over to Ace to give them a shot for the first time. Will the 44's make a noticeable difference with board comfort in regards to wheelbase?[close]
Maybe not really noticeable in terms of wheelbase, but Aces are pretty low compared to Indy's. So it's definitely not the same feeling. I prefer Ace personally.
Are there any hard bushing options for Ace trucks?
Lifetime Indy rider here. I have a scenario...
Got a deck that's 9.5 at the back truck. Indy 215 is too wide and 169 too slim.
Thinking of Ace 66, but...
I've ridden Indy's with Bones Hard bushings for years (240 lb. fat-ass) and ride semi-tight.
I've heard Krux fit nicely, but they're soft. I've also heard about people doing Bones or Indy bushings with extra washers as to not change geometry. I'd prefer not change geometry unless I have to.
Any/all experience welcome.
mini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard
Are there any hard bushing options for Ace trucks?
yessir. green is soft (84a), orange medium (94a), red hard (100a)Expand Quotemini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard[close]
Reeeeaaaally..?
That sounds super-promising.
yessir. green is soft (84a), orange medium (94a), red hard (100a)Expand QuoteExpand Quotemini logo bushings fit aces and they have a 100a version if you meant hard hard[close]
Reeeeaaaally..?
That sounds super-promising.[close]
https://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-hard-bushings-single
https://www.skateamerica.com/collections/skate-bushings
Expand QuoteEasy off oven cleaner. The yellow cap one. What’s under probably won’t be pretty and polished though, just be aware of that. My advice is to just skate them; they’re not the only trucks you’re going to for the rest of your life, feel me?Expand QuoteAnyone have tips for removing paint from hangers? Had to settle for Shelby blues the other week and of course raws restock this week.[close][close]
Citristrip will take the paint right off, ive used it plenty of times
Those came out sick!
Taped the axles?
can u do the baseplate too? these came out perfectExpand QuoteThose came out sick!
Taped the axles?[close]
Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
can u do the baseplate too? these came out perfectExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThose came out sick!
Taped the axles?[close]
Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.[close]
Expand QuoteThose came out sick!
Taped the axles?[close]
Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.
Raw looks sick. I think the ace hanger shape adds to it. Nice work. I no longer fear buying colored trucks if I see a deal.
Looks cool with the blue base/raw hanger
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThose came out sick!
Taped the axles?[close]
Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.[close]
Makes sense. I waffled back and forth considering taping and went against it, for no real reason. I’ll check those trucks to see if the axles are jacked, didn’t really notice. Could only help to tape tho.
Same same re: base plates. Taking out the pivot cups and like you mentioned cleaning up all of the crevices didn’t seem fun.
I’ve been flopping between ACE and venture. Had a decent enough day with the 44s so I’ll just try and stick there. I feel like I could set up decks 8-8.5 on these things.
the blue that stayed in the 44 is a really nice touch. i skated horribly on my old set of aces but if they looked like that, id force myself to get good with emExpand QuoteRaw looks sick. I think the ace hanger shape adds to it. Nice work. I no longer fear buying colored trucks if I see a deal.[close]
Thanks, it was super easy. Just applied and let sit for 12 hours or so on that truck.Came off very easy. The second hanger will be sitting for about 24 hours before I get to it.Expand QuoteLooks cool with the blue base/raw hanger[close]
ThanksExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThose came out sick!
Taped the axles?[close]
Thanks. Yeah, I didn't want to take the chance the stripper would do anything to the axles that would cause them to rust. Or get the gel into the threads and cause any damage to the nylon on the axle nuts. It was my first time trying so I wanted to be extra cautious.[close]
Makes sense. I waffled back and forth considering taping and went against it, for no real reason. I’ll check those trucks to see if the axles are jacked, didn’t really notice. Could only help to tape tho.
Same same re: base plates. Taking out the pivot cups and like you mentioned cleaning up all of the crevices didn’t seem fun.
I’ve been flopping between ACE and venture. Had a decent enough day with the 44s so I’ll just try and stick there. I feel like I could set up decks 8-8.5 on these things.[close]
Same here, every few months I buy a set of ACE and give them a go. I think because of the COVID thing since I didn't skate almost 6 weeks and then tossed the ACE on it was less of a mind fuck coming from Venture. These are feeling pretty good so far. And now that theyhave the raw hanger I'm even more excited by them.
just got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it
Expand Quotejust got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it[close]
It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.
Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.
Expand Quotejust got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it[close]
It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.
Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotejust got my first pair of ace’s, and i noticed the bushings are sticking out a bit. wondering if it matters at all and if i should bother fixing it[close]
It does it (slightly) on one of my 44s but it doesn't bother me or seem to have any effect on the turn. The washers on Aces are kind of small, so you can switch them out for some Indy (or basically any other) washers and that should fix it.
Edit: it did it on both of mine when I first got them but after about an hour of skating the one was fine and the other was/is very slight.[close]
Happened on my past pair but they broke in nicely and the over bulge stopped.
Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.
Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.
Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.
Expand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.
Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.
Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]
Please post the reply up here.
I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.
at least you got a fresh rideExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.
Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.
Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]
Please post the reply up here.
I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.[close]
Will do man.
What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.
Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.
Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]
Please post the reply up here.
I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.[close]
Will do man.
What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.
My 44s are kinda crooked and im 100% sure it has to do with bushing/pivot. How can i fix this?
Was thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hassle
Expand QuoteWas thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hassle[close]
Legit, I understand the performance may be good but damn the QC and amount of tinkering people have to do when indys and thunders just work out the box. Can they really be worth it?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWas thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hassle[close]
Legit, I understand the performance may be good but damn the QC and amount of tinkering people have to do when indys and thunders just work out the box. Can they really be worth it?[close]
To be honest this is more truck nerds being nerds than anything. I've had multiple pairs of ace and keep them fully stock, never had problems. Only adjusted them to the tightness I like after they broke in which takes about one session.
Was thinking about trying a set but holy shit do these trucks sound like a hasslethey’re not really; I was looking for a no fuss truck that I could just ride without having to swap out everything. The advice I got on here was don’t touch anything and just cruise around on them for a few sessions until the bushing harden up and that’s exactly what I did, haven’t touched them since.
I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.never had a problem with my 44s, they are the most recent version though, snap some up before they come out with all their new sizes.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?
I also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?
Expand QuoteI also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?[close]
Only my first gen aces had shit pivot cups. When they got destroyed I put khiro cups in them and had no more problem. Newer gen aces have great cups
Thought I had axle slip once but finally figured out it was a bad axle nut with destroyed nylon.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI also been thinking of trying a set of 44's. The marketing is going into my head.
I had a pair of 33's a few years back, and while they felt really good at first they turned to shit really quick.
The pivot cups got shredded in like 3 months and I never ever had problems with pivot cups before, also got axle slip on both trucks not long after. That really threw me off about trying a pair again. Did they fix this or do they eat through pivot cups like crazy still?[close]
Only my first gen aces had shit pivot cups. When they got destroyed I put khiro cups in them and had no more problem. Newer gen aces have great cups
Thought I had axle slip once but finally figured out it was a bad axle nut with destroyed nylon.[close]
oh, was it the Pivot cups quality? I thought it was the geometry that just put to much stress into the pivot cups, because I remember people saying that they had to change pivot cups every 3 months or so... I dont think I changed pivot cups ever before. My Indys still have the same after almost 2 years. I might try a new pair of aces once I need new trucks.
I'm about to setup some 44 on an Black summer 8.7 egg0 yea m8
Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
Has there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.
(https://i.imgur.com/V2vUu3bl.jpg)Is this the 8.6 Egg?
44 with 2 washers on the inside
8.7, haven't tried it yet. Only session I had before was on 6.1Is this the 8.6 Egg?Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/V2vUu3bl.jpg)
44 with 2 washers on the inside[close]
I really wanted to skate my 44's on my Fried Egg, but it's 8.9 so I'm going with Indy 159's.
(https://i.imgur.com/V2vUu3bl.jpg)
44 with 2 washers on the inside
Expand QuoteHas there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.[close]
Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.[close]
Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.[close]
Proper advice.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.[close]
Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.[close]
Proper advice.[close]
Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.[close]
Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.[close]
Proper advice.[close]
Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK[close]
For real. I wish they'd keep the current sizing, especially the 44s. I just emailed them to see if they'd give me more info.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas there been any news on when the new Ace versions are supposed to release? I want to get 44s in the future but don't want buy them and then have the new ones release a day later.[close]
Likelihood of Ace (or any small brand really) releasing something as big as an entire lineup overhaul in the current situation is probably slim to nonexistent. If it were me I'd just get some current 44's, but that's just me and I love the 8.3" axle which will cease to exist once the new ones drop.[close]
Proper advice.[close]
Is this facts? Cuz if true.....FUCK
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:
44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125
Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
(https://i.imgur.com/zHJDlZ3.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/sSmkxAk.jpg?1)
44s I got to feel up back in October. Measuring in with a 8.25" axle.
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
Expand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
I'll be bummed if we lose the 52mm 8.38 truck from ACE.
I think the goal is to keep them the same height. The pair pictured above were a tad higher as the baseplate was thicker but the word is the plan was to thin it out.
I think the goal is to keep them the same height. The pair pictured above were a tad higher as the baseplate was thicker but the word is the plan was to thin it out.
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sureExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sureExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]
Expand QuoteMy thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sureExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close][close]
I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.
Expand QuoteMy thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sureExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close][close]
I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.
shoulda stayed quirky and added a 8.625 axle to the lineup
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sureExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close][close]
I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.[close]
Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.
Ace got back to me about the bushing bulge. Sounds like they haven’t been contacted about it much. The guy seemed surprised by the pic and just told me to flip the bottom bushing then give it some time. Sure enough, as stated by folks in this thread, it stopped happening after 30 minutes of skating. Put in another 30 to be sure and so far, so good. Also, the stock bushings feel much better than the Bones mediums I tried.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer.
Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems.
Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]
Please post the reply up here.
I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.[close]
Will do man.
What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.[close]
Currently on Mini Logo medium. They are 94, and would be a bit hard on 44s - but the extra leverage of the 66s makes them doable. I was craving a bit softer today. I have probably 8 other sets of bushings I could try in them, but am trying to avoid the madness and just skate them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMy thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sureExpand QuoteExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not.
I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower.
I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close][close]
I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.[close]
Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.[close]
Nice, didn't think of that angle. The credibility and quality that would come with those ifs would make "fuck the rest" pretty laughable.
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.
Indy was Ermico until a few years ago, correct? Their prices were in line with everyone else. They recently switched to China manufacturing, most likely cutting costs in half and the price is higher than venture/thunder.
Expand QuoteI’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.[close]
I'd rather see them under Dwindle; the fit and finish on Tensor ATGs is fucking top notch, lightyears beyond anything out of Ermico (Ventures being the top dog as far as quality out the door goes). Hell even the new indys look better finish-wise coming out of China.
Not that finish on baseplates means fuck all but just look at Thunder Cast plates vs. virtually anything else on the market).
I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.
I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.
Expand QuoteI'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.[close]
This.
Aces 44s are successful because they sit in a sweet spot between Indys and Thunders. If Ace no longer wants to hold this niche, I really don't understand the purpose of this brand.
Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.
Expand QuoteHey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.[close]
I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes. I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II". Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb. Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason. The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy. I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful. I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences. Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.
Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.[close]
I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes. I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II". Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb. Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason. The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy. I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful. I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences. Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.[close]
I have both of these shapes sitting at home ready to be set up again. Loved them while I skated them but went back to 10+ boards for a while. Think I’m going to set up the 8.25 x 32 with 44s and maybe 56’s. What size wheels are you normally on?
Where are these rumors about the new Ace revisions coming from? I’d love to see a 8.65 or 8.75 axle but don’t want to get my hopes up too much
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Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.
They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.
The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder.
These were 44s and they were 8.25". 55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".
I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.
Anybody skate an FA/Hockey 8.5" with either 44s or 55s and have pics? I just ordered one for the firs time and want to get an idea of how it'll look with either.
Expand QuoteAnybody skate an FA/Hockey 8.5" with either 44s or 55s and have pics? I just ordered one for the firs time and want to get an idea of how it'll look with either.[close]
I dont think the brand deck will matter. 44's on an 8.5 are perfect. The axles will only have a 1/16" Gap before the edge of the board. 55's would be like clown shoes.
what is the pop feel for steep kicks with 44s? hated 55s with medium/mellow kicks, but have a feeling that they shine with steep kicks.
guess im biting on some 44sbite the dust my mf g
havent had some truck madness in a bit
I'm curious to try a pair of ace 44s. My current and next 2 decks are 8.38 with 14.5 wheelbase. I thought 14.5 with Indy's was my Goldilocks zone but it feels like too much. I like it for about half the session by the end I'm exhausted and the next day I feel like I was in a fight. I'm curious about ace for the shorter wheelbase and the pop feel. My concern is with the turning. Im around 200 pounds and like my trucks stiff feeling with some turn. I usually put hard bushings in my Indy's. Am I going to hate the surfy feel of aces?
After trying different bushing combinations I came to the conclusion that stock bushings are the most stable on aces out of any other bushings
hahaha should've listened earlierExpand QuoteAfter trying different bushing combinations I came to the conclusion that stock bushings are the most stable on aces out of any other bushings[close]
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Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information
Do the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??Never had the lows, but afaik it is only the kingpin and bushings that are shorter.
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information
Expand QuoteDo the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information[close]
Damn. I think xen/BMC would be the folks to pm. I don’t remember any others who got em. I don’t remember there being a hi/lo offering, I’m just assuming, based off of nothing, that there was only highs in the mag plates. I for sure want some. I’m not hard on stuff, slightly lighter 44s and up would be hot
hmm do you think you can tell the difference between the low plates and the highsExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDo the magnesium base plates they use to make fit both the high and lows??
Might be acdumb question but I found a pair for sale with 0 information[close]
Damn. I think xen/BMC would be the folks to pm. I don’t remember any others who got em. I don’t remember there being a hi/lo offering, I’m just assuming, based off of nothing, that there was only highs in the mag plates. I for sure want some. I’m not hard on stuff, slightly lighter 44s and up would be hot[close]
Yes they made lo mag plates.
I still have my high mag plates, I should set them up (they're setup for krux pins).
hmm do you think you can tell the difference between the low plates and the highsThis is Slap. Of course we can tell the difference from a photo - someone will probably count the threads on the kingpin.
From a photo ??
The place selling them just has "ace magnesium baseplates" in their product description
This is Slap. Of course we can tell the difference from a photo - someone will probably count the threads on the kingpin.Expand Quotehmm do you think you can tell the difference between the low plates and the highs
From a photo ??
The place selling them just has "ace magnesium baseplates" in their product description[close]
Cheers Xen I'm after the highs..
so based off your reply im thinking these would be the high baseplates
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Colored baseplates >>>>>>>>>>> colored hangers
I know the new stage is already delayed, but these new colors make me think they're going to push it back even further.
Been skating an 8.5" popsicle with 55s, no washers inside, and 52mm conical fulls. Just tried it with 44s and extra washers and they just looked so small.
Expand QuoteI know the new stage is already delayed, but these new colors make me think they're going to push it back even further.
Been skating an 8.5" popsicle with 55s, no washers inside, and 52mm conical fulls. Just tried it with 44s and extra washers and they just looked so small.[close]
How it skate tho? I love the way a bigger board fees under feet, not psyched on losing what little I have in the flat ground trick department. Haven’t skated 55s, look sick, I’m sure they are real fun, I’ve been close several times to buying, and then just wuss out on the size weight.
55's at 53mm high feels like riser territory as well being that wide
are they 407g compared to 169's which are 411g?
I'm not much for colored trucks but their old version where they kept the red color in the lineup was sick. It was more of a dark cherry color as opposed to those baseplates which is like a brighter tart cherry/fire hydrant/curb. I'd rock that color if they brought them back.
Just ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX
im not having good luck with these bushings thoExpand QuoteJust ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX[close]
100% The best you can have in ACE trucks, provided they are the new dual duro combo. Just skate them for a bit to let them break in.
your axles are driving me nutsim not having good luck with these bushings thoExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust ordered some 44s , stock bushings any good? recommendations THX[close]
100% The best you can have in ACE trucks, provided they are the new dual duro combo. Just skate them for a bit to let them break in.[close]
is there any way to fix this at home without buying shit?
Holy fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.ive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shit
ive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shitExpand QuoteHoly fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.[close]
but i do a lot of flip tricks and my axle nuts get super deformed so i just keep it flush with the axleExpand Quoteive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shitExpand QuoteHoly fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.[close][close]
The axle nuts are a softer material than the axle. So you will always be able to get the wheel off, cause the nut will just strip, if the axle threads are too damaged.
but i do a lot of flip tricks and my axle nuts get super deformed so i just keep it flush with the axleExpand QuoteExpand Quoteive had these for 4-5 months, the wheel looks like that cause im paranoid about not being able to get my wheels off so i keep them loose but i keep the kingpin nut flush and they still do this shitExpand QuoteHoly fuck juanjo what is you doing baby? What in the fuck fuck fuckery fuck. The long bolts....the wheel falling off. There needs to be a basic level of.....you know what? I’m sure it’s gonna workout. I’d keep the trucks loose, and rock back n forth on your board when watching tv, and then just cruise around. Bushings will most likely break in.[close][close]
The axle nuts are a softer material than the axle. So you will always be able to get the wheel off, cause the nut will just strip, if the axle threads are too damaged.[close]
Westgate does it
it makes sense if you think about it cause when the nut loses its shape the further out you got the less hassle it is to get it outExpand QuoteWestgate does it[close]
Does what? Let’s his wheel bang back forth a 1/2”? If true I’ll start doing it IMMEDIATELY, cuz he’s the shit. And I’ll apologize. Don’t believe it tho
it makes sense if you think about it cause when the nut loses its shape the further out you got the less hassle it is to get it outExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWestgate does it[close]
Does what? Let’s his wheel bang back forth a 1/2”? If true I’ll start doing it IMMEDIATELY, cuz he’s the shit. And I’ll apologize. Don’t believe it tho[close]
Yee he said it on his 9club episode
50-51mm, venture lows, flush axles
Having the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rimI had 2 washers on the inside, took 1 out and placed kt outside so It's fixed. I really want with the tilted trucks. Here's a picture of the pivot cup from the tilted trucks.
Anyone running 55s with 8.5-8.7 popsicles? Been into bigger boards lately so was thinking giving Ace chance, but im kinda afraid of the 9" axles sticking out too much.I used 55s on 8.62 and 8.75, didn’t stick out (not enough to bother me at least)
Anyone running 55s with 8.5-8.7 popsicles? Been into bigger boards lately so was thinking giving Ace chance, but im kinda afraid of the 9" axles sticking out too much.
I had 2 washers on the inside, took 1 out and placed kt outside so It's fixed. I really want with the tilted trucks. Here's a picture of the pivot cup from the tilted trucks.Expand QuoteHaving the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rim[close]
I think this shouldnt be happening and I'm sure its the pivot cup cause i tried other bushings and they tilt also
Thanks for answers! Gonna try soon when Aces are restocked in my country, are you guys running 8.5 setups with slimmer wheels since the truck is so wide?
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Thanks for answers! Gonna try soon when Aces are restocked in my country, are you guys running 8.5 setups with slimmer wheels since the truck is so wide?On my 8.6 w/ 55s, I was riding Speedlab Slappyhour 54s which are 33mm wide, 21mm contact patch, basically between a Spit conical and conical full. Just one washer on each side. Not particularly slim and they are fantastic.
I'm curious to try a pair of ace 44s. My current and next 2 decks are 8.38 with 14.5 wheelbase. I thought 14.5 with Indy's was my Goldilocks zone but it feels like too much. I like it for about half the session by the end I'm exhausted and the next day I feel like I was in a fight. I'm curious about ace for the shorter wheelbase and the pop feel. My concern is with the turning. Im around 200 pounds and like my trucks stiff feeling with some turn. I usually put hard bushings in my Indy's. Am I going to hate the surfy feel of aces?
i've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?
so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?
I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.
Expand Quotei've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?
so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?
I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.[close]
That’s been my experience with Aces. Mellow out steep kicks nicely as long as there aren’t many fingers of flat between the bolts and where the kick starts to angle up. On mellower kicks and/or more fingers of flat trucks that spread the wheelbase further (Venture, Thunder) feel like they add more pop for me, especially if the trucks are taller.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotei've been going through some truck madness in the last week or so, mainly because im not skating and recovering from injury...so, if i've understood what i've read, as opposed to Thunders which stretch out wheelbase, Ace's are like Indy's and shrink wheelbase but are lower too?
so my question is, Ace trucks would help to mellow out out a steep deck?
I have a couple of NHS decks (1 VX) which i gave up on because the tails were too steep for me. I rode them with Indy's, so thinking if Ace's can mellow it out a bit, I could resurrect those decks.[close]
That’s been my experience with Aces. Mellow out steep kicks nicely as long as there aren’t many fingers of flat between the bolts and where the kick starts to angle up. On mellower kicks and/or more fingers of flat trucks that spread the wheelbase further (Venture, Thunder) feel like they add more pop for me, especially if the trucks are taller.[close]
I agree with this take. I just rode a steep board with some ace and it went great. Be nice to know what’s steep/no fingers of flat, and what’s mellow with flat (I like to go back n forth from venture and ace).
no it isn'tExpand QuoteI had 2 washers on the inside, took 1 out and placed kt outside so It's fixed. I really want with the tilted trucks. Here's a picture of the pivot cup from the tilted trucks.Expand QuoteHaving the wheel able to move half an inch is alot! That could quickly cause a bad situation. With nothing holding the bearing and wheel in place, the loads will be all over the place, and the bearings could seize up or become loose within the wheel. Kinda like you puncture a bicycle and continue to ride, the tire would fall off the rim[close]
I think this shouldnt be happening and I'm sure its the pivot cup cause i tried other bushings and they tilt also[close]
Isn't your kingpin loose ?
My beloved 44’s are bent, this wouldn’t bother me if I didn’t just get a new local park built... meaning its like skating on an ice rink. Running 55mm Conical Fulls, but the bent axles don’t let the full contact patch make contact with the ground, so my wheels are feeling super slippery. Worth just dealing with it until the wheels cone a bit, or time for a new pair? I’ve had them a while, but still plenty of life left in them.
My beloved 44’s are bent, this wouldn’t bother me if I didn’t just get a new local park built... meaning its like skating on an ice rink. Running 55mm Conical Fulls, but the bent axles don’t let the full contact patch make contact with the ground, so my wheels are feeling super slippery. Worth just dealing with it until the wheels cone a bit, or time for a new pair? I’ve had them a while, but still plenty of life left in them.
Hi,Yep, same here. I was told it gets better after some break-in period. Didn't have the patience for it so I used indy bottom bushings with Ace top bushings. Worked like a charm for me.
I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.
Did anyone have the same issue?
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8.75” doubles Ltd (what’s the wheelbase??)
Bones 56m wise cuts
Yep, same here. I was told it gets better after some break-in period. Didn't have the patience for it so I used indy bottom bushings with Ace top bushings. Worked like a charm for me.Expand QuoteHi,
I just switched from independent to ace. I’m having a hard time with the bushings. I haven’t changed the factory tightness but the bushings keep jumping out of the washers, if that does make any sense. This makes the Trucks pretty much unskateable. They’re wobbling arround and lock in that crooked position.
Did anyone have the same issue?[close]
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I took this screenshot from Ronnie ig story a while back. are those top bushings bones?
Didnt old Aces use black bushings stock?
I think it was the stage before this current one actually.Expand QuoteDidnt old Aces use black bushings stock?[close]
How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.
or they could just be dirty stock bushings lol
Expand QuoteDidnt old Aces use black bushings stock?[close]
How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.
While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDidnt old Aces use black bushings stock?[close]
How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.
While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...[close]
Mine took about 5 hours of skating to be broken in while purposefully carving more than usual. It's worth the wait i've never had a set break or crack on me like I have with thunder/indy/bones
My Ace were Nyjah-tight for a week when I got them. Couldn't understand the hype, then they broke in.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDidnt old Aces use black bushings stock?[close]
How old? I bought my first pair in 2012 and they had white bushings that were amazing, but got shredded to pieces fairly quickly.
While on the bushings, I got some new Aces for my cruiser and followed the advice on here that I should keep the stock bushings and break em in. How long did that take for you? I'm starting to lose patience and am really close to switching em up to Bones...[close]
Mine took about 5 hours of skating to be broken in while purposefully carving more than usual. It's worth the wait i've never had a set break or crack on me like I have with thunder/indy/bones[close]
Okay cool, thank you. I guess I've just gotten spoiled by Bones and being used to the turn on my 44's where you can carve by just tilting your foot a little while pushing. I almost fell off my board multiple times yesterday by just pushing on these new ones.
After a couple weeks skating them I’ll say they’re pretty great. They’re pretty loose after bathe couple days of them feeling super tight. I used to take my bottom washers out of trucks to get crooked grinds to pinch right, but I didn’t need to with these. Tre flips are a little wonky and I’ve had to learn a new technique to pop them. I’ll probably try another set after these are done
It’s not so bad that I notice it affecting my skating. You can see the wheelbite in these couple pictures of my back truckExpand QuoteAfter a couple weeks skating them I’ll say they’re pretty great. They’re pretty loose after bathe couple days of them feeling super tight. I used to take my bottom washers out of trucks to get crooked grinds to pinch right, but I didn’t need to with these. Tre flips are a little wonky and I’ve had to learn a new technique to pop them. I’ll probably try another set after these are done[close]
Thanks for the write up, was wondering how these were working. I’m back on lows. Just need to find some softer and/or wider wheels. So weird that there was a time where 53/54 wheels and lows were not uncommon. People’s trucks musta been really tight.
How’s the wheelbite?
Expand Quoteor they could just be dirty stock bushings lol[close]
Yeah both of my sets of Ace bushings look pretty much like that.
I've seen his trucks wobble in video parts but He only removes the bottom washee and theres kingpin sticking out, he maybe sands em down?Expand QuoteExpand Quoteor they could just be dirty stock bushings lol[close]
Yeah both of my sets of Ace bushings look pretty much like that.[close]
Probably just dirty. He likes his trucks stupid loose.
After trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.I got some here earlier this week. Looks like they have some left.
Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.
I got some here earlier this week. Looks like they have some left.Expand QuoteAfter trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.
Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.[close]
https://3rdlair.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-classic-polished-trucks?variant=31523313090631
https://instagram.com/stories/thecornerstoreskateshop/2344786060201217759?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=1mq3g1x79pslh
Ace hangers curved. Spoken on before with the uneven wheels touching ground
Expand QuoteI got some here earlier this week. Looks like they have some left.Expand QuoteAfter trying out thunder for a bit, I put on my aces again and they feel like home. I guess I needed to try something different to realize what I like.
Now, the only problem is that 44s are impossible to find right now at the shops near me. I’m almost at the axle of my old ones.[close]
https://3rdlair.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-classic-polished-trucks?variant=31523313090631[close]
Thanks man! But I forgot to specify I am in Canada so the shipping might be a little too high.
what’s an easy way to check if my axles are bent? my bearings keep acting weird on my 44s, but seem fine on my ATGs
Thinking about trying a pair of Ace's for my cruiser I'm setting up.
Anyone's thoughts on 44's or 55's for an 8.88 shaped deck? (Anti Hero Brown Bomber)
Expand Quotewhat’s an easy way to check if my axles are bent? my bearings keep acting weird on my 44s, but seem fine on my ATGs[close]
Take your trucks off the board, and take one wheel off of each truck.
Put a free wheel on a flat table, then put the wheel connected to the truck on top of the free wheel, so they are stacked.
Spin the truck, and see how much the axle wobbles.
A racing longboard designer showed me this technique, as downhill trucks need really, really straight axles for those high speeds.
The longboard guy told me that with most regular trucks as the aluminum cools around the axle, it warps a bit. It’s unavoidable, so most trucks will have a bit of wobble. But watch out for big wobbles.
It’s a good little trick to try before buying trucks.
Agreed, skating an 8.5 on 44's has a little bit of the magic carpet feeling, so I'd imagine bigger would be worse.Expand QuoteThinking about trying a pair of Ace's for my cruiser I'm setting up.
Anyone's thoughts on 44's or 55's for an 8.88 shaped deck? (Anti Hero Brown Bomber)[close]
If it's wider than 8.5 where the trucks sit then use 55s
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That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)
Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition
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That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)
Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition[close]
Not trying to @you, specifically
I’ve noticed that the pic shot from above is fairly misleading, often.
The bb is 8.8 at its widest point, I think, and narrower still at the trucks.
Wheelbite marks are usually a little more helpful, to me, or better yet, measurements at the bolts.
I’ve set up 8s on 149s and the pic doesn’t look that wild. And it still rolls. And it can be fun for sure.
I’m not sure what the advantages are tho. Yes wider hanger space for more grindz. Sure. But if you are missing the ledge with a truck over 8” wide then.....
Wider turns slower.
Anyways, carry on
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That’s a bomber with 55’s and 56mm slimeballs (but the slimebombs one which are a little narrower than the mini vomits and 99a)
Doesn’t really hot rod at all imo. It’s been a really fun combo for curbs and transition[close]
Not trying to @you, specifically
I’ve noticed that the pic shot from above is fairly misleading, often.
The bb is 8.8 at its widest point, I think, and narrower still at the trucks.
Wheelbite marks are usually a little more helpful, to me, or better yet, measurements at the bolts.
I’ve set up 8s on 149s and the pic doesn’t look that wild. And it still rolls. And it can be fun for sure.
I’m not sure what the advantages are tho. Yes wider hanger space for more grindz. Sure. But if you are missing the ledge with a truck over 8” wide then.....
Wider turns slower.
Anyways, carry on[close]
FWIW here’s some used pics and a tape over the truck holes..... ( not taking it personally!)
Wider is slower but 14.25 web and aces balances that.
(https://i.imgur.com/EgBUtBF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MTzrXQ1.jpg)
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You can’t see the wheels stood straight over. You can “just” see the nuts. When skating you can see both toe side wheels a tiny bit. It’s all preference anyway isn’t it. I skate a lot of transition so a bit of stability helps and I grew up skating 10” wide boards in the eighties so i found it weirder adjusting to 8” and 139’s back in the late 90’s than I have to 55’s since I started skating again
In your opinion Which truck is more stable Indy or Ace.
Curious about this.
(https://i.imgur.com/VYz2HO3.jpg)
Oski's Board
I asked him a while back how he rode his trucks. This is the new Ace model he told me not to post it but he has posted photos showing the Hollow kingpin so I guess no harm done :)Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/VYz2HO3.jpg)
Oski's Board[close]
So is that a hollow kingpin model? What’s he normally ride, 44s? Wonder if he did this hisself.....
To your question above: I think of 159s as good to great trucks, and fairly stable. The wider the truck, the slower the turn, and a more stable feeling, broadstrokes. Some folks on here rate ace more stable than Indy. I love the ace turn, think it’s the best turn, wouldn’t call ace more stable tho. Not sure if any of this conveys what I’m attempting to say
I can't wait for those new Ace's. I am down to axle on my third set of 44s. Then, I have some Stage 8 Indy 146s which should last me until Ace get this shit going...An 8.75 ace truck with hollow kingpin would be saucy
I can't wait for those new Ace's. I am down to axle on my third set of 44s. Then, I have some Stage 8 Indy 146s which should last me until Ace get this shit going...
Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.I think its a bones top and ace stock top on the bottom
Looks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.Is there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometry
:oIs there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometryExpand QuoteLooks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.[close]
:oIs there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometryExpand QuoteLooks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.[close]
Expand Quote:oIs there a way to use bones bushings without changing the ace geometryExpand QuoteLooks like some black bones bushings with no bottom washer. You gotta crank down that nut far with bones if you omit any washers.[close][close]
Keep the washer. Bones are only .02" taller. That's less than the difference of 1/2 turn of the kingpin nut.
Or run the Bones Washer on the bottom.
Bones bushings using the flat Bones washers for top and bottom is the way to go when you use Bones in Ace’s
Just took the bottom washers off after hearing it from a few people. Soooo much surfier and deeper turns, without compromising stability. Thank god for wheel wells though.Is there difference between removing the top or the bottom washer? I skated for a while without the top washer and the stock bushings with the bottom washer but it started feeling kinda mushy, once I swapped the top bushing for a bones med it feels normal again
Is there difference between removing the top or the bottom washer? I skated for a while without the top washer and the stock bushings with the bottom washer but it started feeling kinda mushy, once I swapped the top bushing for a bones med it feels normal againExpand QuoteJust took the bottom washers off after hearing it from a few people. Soooo much surfier and deeper turns, without compromising stability. Thank god for wheel wells though.[close]
Anyone with any experiences with Ace lows? Been skating smaller board lately and would love to have lower truck but never heard anything about them. Any good compared to Venture lows or Thunder forged?
Bones bushings using the flat Bones washers for top and bottom is the way to go when you use Bones in Ace’s
I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces. Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
It been discussed but some of us have already felt up the prototypes with the new metal and other tweaks. Hopefully those are still on the way at some point.
Expand QuoteI heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces. Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)[close]
Does this happen to mediums too or soft only? Bones softs always break for me, and I weigh 150 pounds.
Probably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.
What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.
Expand QuoteProbably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.
What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.[close]
The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.
I've had both and am a bit confused by this last bit. Wouldn't the longer wb of the ventures make the nose and tail seem more cramped (wheels creeping further out from the middle)? Other than that, your descriptions of the pros and cons seem spot on.Expand QuoteProbably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.
What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.[close]
The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.
I've had both and am a bit confused by this last bit. Wouldn't the longer wb of the ventures make the nose and tail seem more cramped (wheels creeping further out from the middle)? Other than that, your descriptions of the pros and cons seem spot on.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteProbably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.
What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.[close]
The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.[close]
Ah gotcha! I read that as ventures give you a bit more room on nose and tail. All makes sense now thanks.Expand QuoteI've had both and am a bit confused by this last bit. Wouldn't the longer wb of the ventures make the nose and tail seem more cramped (wheels creeping further out from the middle)? Other than that, your descriptions of the pros and cons seem spot on.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteProbably going to regret this but what's up with these trucks. I love Ventures, like Thunder and dislike Indys. I know these trucks suck the WB in more than Indys so they give a very light pop. Thinking of trying either the Ace 03 or the 44, either for a regular street deck or to get myself to learn to carve a bowl instead of tic tacking like an idiot 1/2 way up the tranny.
What can I expect and what boards & dims would pair well with Ace? I usually ride 8-8.125 boards, 8.25 if I'm feeling risky.[close]
The only trucks I ride currently are either Ace 44 or Venture 5.6, both on an 8.38 with 14.25 WB. Both are great but are just different. I can carve transition much better on Ace but my fliptricks feel fantastic on ventures. Both have a nice grind but I would give ace the edge on chunky ledges. Manuals on ace feel easier to pop into but are a little sloppy whereas on venture i'm not quite as consistent but when i'm in the manual feels locked into place. Ventures also feel nice with a little bit more room on the nose/tail.[close][close]
I probably wrote it wrong. I meant if the deck itself has a longer nose and tail it's nice. (Because of the creep you mentioned)
I may have asked before, but anyone remember what the upcoming size revisions will be? I think @Frank and Fred posted it under his old handle but now I can't remember.
i thought its was going to beExpand QuoteI may have asked before, but anyone remember what the upcoming size revisions will be? I think @Frank and Fred posted it under his old handle but now I can't remember.[close]
Just going to standard incremental .25" sizing, far as I know.
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:
44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125
Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
Expand QuoteIts been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:
44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125
Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.[close]
I heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces. Then, in one session, they went from all-good to thisman! i replaced these with a new set of bones soft, and in one session the top bushing was destroyed again! What are the recommendations for aftermarket replacement bushings for Ace that will keep things as loose as possible with minimal break-in period?
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)
man! i replaced these with a new set of bones soft, and in one session the top bushing was destroyed again! What are the recommendations for aftermarket replacement bushings for Ace that will keep things as loose as possible with minimal break-in period?Expand QuoteI heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces. Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)[close]
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
Expand QuoteIs there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?[close]
Plenty of people run 44s on 8.5s with extra speed rings on the inside. I've done it and it feels great, not a magic carpet by any stretch.
man! i replaced these with a new set of bones soft, and in one session the top bushing was destroyed again! What are the recommendations for aftermarket replacement bushings for Ace that will keep things as loose as possible with minimal break-in period?Expand QuoteI heard lots about how non-stock bushings can get torn apart in Aces, but it never happened to me in the past year or so of skating Aces. Then, in one session, they went from all-good to this
(https://i.imgur.com/jDMw5lf.jpg)[close]
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose? i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session. gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose? i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session. gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.
Is there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?
Expand QuoteIs there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?[close]
Just heard Ace might have a struggle getting trucks made until October or so. No word on the new versions. If you want to try some Ace, I'd say don't wait for the new models and snap them up up now as they are running dry out there.
Expand QuoteIs there a rough date on the release of the newer models? Ive been dying for a pair of Aces but ride an 8.5. Worth holding off for the newer model to get the correct size?[close]
Just heard Ace might have a struggle getting trucks made until October or so. No word on the new versions. If you want to try some Ace, I'd say don't wait for the new models and snap them up up now as they are running dry out there.
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?Ride your skateboard
So i like to ride my trucks without the top washer and with the nut flush with the kingpin but for some reason with aces when i hand tighten them they make the kingpin stickout so basically i have to tighten them a lot more than i want to or the nuts will fall off, and it trips me out, how can i fix this?
So, I’m a bit confused and was wondering if I could get some advice. I have Ace 66s and they are (if you tighten the nuts flush with the tip of the axle) exactly 9 3/8s wide. Is there any chance someone could give me, in a fraction rather than 8 point something, the size of Ace 55s?
I know this sounds nit picky but I’m all up in my head about truck sizing and debating going down to the 55s. Sorry for being so specific but many thanks for the help.
any tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose? i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session. gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.I rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting loose
I rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting looseExpand Quoteany tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose? i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session. gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.[close]
I forgot to mention I use both washers. Every time I picked up my board I’d tighten them. Didn’t exactly annoy me but looking back it’s pretty burdensome yet totally worth it when you break them in.Expand QuoteI rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting looseExpand Quoteany tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose? i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session. gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.[close][close]
i went back to using both washers after trying no bottom, and then no top washer. i was having to tighten my trucks several times in a session it was a drag. just gonna deal with it
Expand QuoteSo, I’m a bit confused and was wondering if I could get some advice. I have Ace 66s and they are (if you tighten the nuts flush with the tip of the axle) exactly 9 3/8s wide. Is there any chance someone could give me, in a fraction rather than 8 point something, the size of Ace 55s?
I know this sounds nit picky but I’m all up in my head about truck sizing and debating going down to the 55s. Sorry for being so specific but many thanks for the help.[close]
First off Rad username. Second, 55s axles are 9" on the money.
Soeaking of Ace 55s, a kid/dude came to the shop today with 55s on an 8” Create board. The logic was “52 wheels, 55 trucks - they should match, yeah?”
Soeaking of Ace 55s, a kid/dude came to the shop today with 55s on an 8” Create board. The logic was “52 wheels, 55 trucks - they should match, yeah?”Best thing i heard today
The bend is mostly an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger.I just did a T squared measurement it's very faint when looking at it that it makes no difference but I just was observing for posterity sake.
This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:
I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...
Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
I pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?
Not sure if it's been said earlier in the thread, but the next revision is confirmed to be coming out spring 2021, super stoked. Rumored to have forged baseplates and hangars, and new sizing too. Should be fucking awesome.Expand QuoteThis might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:
I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...
Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?[close]
Riptides will fix this, I couldn't imagine spending that much on pivot cups at first, but I did and I don't regret it one bitExpand QuoteI pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?[close]
The OG Ace's actually bent, pretty badly actually, I just got a barely used pair from a buddy and bent them within a week. I doubt Zumiez had ones that old though, just saying.
Expand QuoteNot sure if it's been said earlier in the thread, but the next revision is confirmed to be coming out spring 2021, super stoked. Rumored to have forged baseplates and hangars, and new sizing too. Should be fucking awesome.Expand QuoteThis might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:
I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...
Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?[close]
Riptides will fix this, I couldn't imagine spending that much on pivot cups at first, but I did and I don't regret it one bitExpand QuoteI pulled a decent scam on Zumiez and scored 2 sets of Ace's both 44's I have to say they are rad trucks only thing I've had slight issues with is the weird curvature they have off top looks like they're bowing slightly towards the axles. I've been skating them but mainly babying them not hitting too heavy of a drop it frankly makes me wonder about these trucks apart from their sleek design and awesome turning are they like a crappy walmart truck? where you ollie off somethign too high are they going to bend?[close]
The OG Ace's actually bent, pretty badly actually, I just got a barely used pair from a buddy and bent them within a week. I doubt Zumiez had ones that old though, just saying.[close]
Word, I'll spring for them. It really isn't that much if the resolve the problem. Thanks!
This might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:I have the 03 lows and I’ve completely blown out two pivot cups in my front truck in the 2.5 months I’ve been skating them. I like having my front truck super loose so it’s not really bothering me yet. The pivot hole is starting to oblong so I assume that it’ll start effecting how they turn sometime down the road. A couple of my buddies have the same issue with their 44’s. My back truck is starting to show some axle so the plan is to skate them until they break then switch to 33’s
I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...
Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?
This forged hanger business keeps getting repeated--sounds interesting, but seriously? Has any truck company ever done an all-forged truck before this? How would a forged hanger even grind compared to a cast hanger? Just sounds kind of weird, especially coming from a company not exactly known for its progressive designs.
I have the 03 lows and I’ve completely blown out two pivot cups in my front truck in the 2.5 months I’ve been skating them. I like having my front truck super loose so it’s not really bothering me yet. The pivot hole is starting to oblong so I assume that it’ll start effecting how they turn sometime down the road. A couple of my buddies have the same issue with their 44’s. My back truck is starting to show some axle so the plan is to skate them until they break then switch to 33’sExpand QuoteThis might have been addressed way back in the thread but for whatever reason nothing specific was coming up in the search:
I keep blowing out the front pivot cup on my current set of 55s. I skated them for about a month with no issues, but at some point I noticed that the pivot had a bunch of play in the cup. I swapped it out for a new one, it felt great for about 2 weeks, and then went back to being super loose. Repeat again. It doesn't bother me as far as my skating but I don't want to prematurely mess up the truck. I do a lot of slappies so I realize that it might just be collateral, but...
Has anyone else had this issue and successfully resolved it with Riptides or some other fix?[close]
Just gunna throw it out that I hope you have better luck than I did with riptide, blew out the front pivot cup about a month in on my 55's. Also do alot of slappies so it might just be a curse we gotta live with
Does anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups fit in Ace plates?They do. They're identical. I swap them out regularly.
They do. They're identical. I swap them out regularly.Expand QuoteDoes anybody know if Riptide Indy pivot cups fit in Ace plates?[close]
I've read in here a few times about the pivot cups or bushings squeaking and I'd like to narrow it down. I have a pair of 44 that are new but just now broken in but still making that squeaking sound on turns and rocking back and forth.
Is that for sure the pivot cup?
Do i need soap or wax shavings in there? What actually works the best?
I've read in here a few times about the pivot cups or bushings squeaking and I'd like to narrow it down. I have a pair of 44 that are new but just now broken in but still making that squeaking sound on turns and rocking back and forth.
Is that for sure the pivot cup?
Do i need soap or wax shavings in there? What actually works the best?
Just got some riptide pivot cups for my aces, haven’t skated them yet, but they don’t seem completely flush in there like the old ones? Like a tiny bit still sticks out ever so much on the inner side.
Probably not a big deal, just wondering if anyone has seen the same thing?
Expand QuoteJust got some riptide pivot cups for my aces, haven’t skated them yet, but they don’t seem completely flush in there like the old ones? Like a tiny bit still sticks out ever so much on the inner side.
Probably not a big deal, just wondering if anyone has seen the same thing?[close]
Perfectly fine man! Happened with every set I’ve had.
Many people using 55s with 8.625 decks? I'm riding an 8.8 Passport with my 55s now and I love it but wouldn't mind going a bit smaller if they don't hot rod too much.
Many people using 55s with 8.625 decks? I'm riding an 8.8 Passport with my 55s now and I love it but wouldn't mind going a bit smaller if they don't hot rod too much.
Expand QuoteI rode them pretty loose for awhile and just kept tightening the nut while I was skating. It took awhile but it eventually stopped getting looseExpand Quoteany tips on riding ace loose without the nut coming loose? i tried taking off the bottom washer, but they keep getting squirrely over the course of the session. gonna put the bottom washer back on and try it without the top.[close][close]
i went back to using both washers after trying no bottom, and then no top washer. i was having to tighten my trucks several times in a session it was a drag. just gonna deal with it
Anyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos!
(https://i.imgur.com/yCgpsml.jpg)
The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.
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The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.[close]
Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.
Expand QuoteAnyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos![close]
My 44’s
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The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.[close]
Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.[close]
alright I'll try that!
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The local had a bunch of 55s in stock so I got my first pair of Ace, only a short curb session but I like them a lot so far. I had to loosen them from stock some.[close]
Put them back to how they were stock and skate them that way for 3 weeks is the consensus response at this point.[close]
alright I'll try that![close]
Definitely do what feels right, but Ace bushings are notorious for feeling great at first, hardening after a session or two, then gradually becoming uniquely amazing over the next several hours after that. I speak as a fellow loosener who had to tighten again once the break in period was over on my 55s (first pair of Aces) but let them be on subsequent pairs. But like I say, it's all preference in the end.
Would 55s work well on a zip zagger? Or would 44s be better?
Anyone grinded down to the axle on their Aces? Let's see some photos!
Sup y'all, happy Saturday. I was just sitting here contemplating for a bit, and I am very hung up on the fact that I vastly prefer my 44s to my 55s even though 55s kind of make more sense in most applications.
For some background, I'm 6'3", size 11, and mostly skate curbs and mellow transitions. As far as boards go, I like an 8.5"-8.75" popsicle or a 9"-9.25" shaped.
I have a set of 44s and 55s that are both about the same age, but the 44s just feel significantly better to me...less bite, lock into grinds better, better pop, better turn. Why do they feel so much better? I want to like the 55s more because they're wider and fit the boards I like a little better, but every single time I skate the 44s it's just a consistently better session. The only reason I ever go back is because I get the madness and think, "these are too small, they look like toy trucks" (I never think this when I see them on other people's boards) and the cycle repeats. I kinda felt the same way with Indys, that 149s always felt way better than 159s to me.
Anyway, any insight some of you might have would be vastly appreciated, even if it is just stating the obvious (that I am overthinking this).
Expand QuoteSup y'all, happy Saturday. I was just sitting here contemplating for a bit, and I am very hung up on the fact that I vastly prefer my 44s to my 55s even though 55s kind of make more sense in most applications.
For some background, I'm 6'3", size 11, and mostly skate curbs and mellow transitions. As far as boards go, I like an 8.5"-8.75" popsicle or a 9"-9.25" shaped.
I have a set of 44s and 55s that are both about the same age, but the 44s just feel significantly better to me...less bite, lock into grinds better, better pop, better turn. Why do they feel so much better? I want to like the 55s more because they're wider and fit the boards I like a little better, but every single time I skate the 44s it's just a consistently better session. The only reason I ever go back is because I get the madness and think, "these are too small, they look like toy trucks" (I never think this when I see them on other people's boards) and the cycle repeats. I kinda felt the same way with Indys, that 149s always felt way better than 159s to me.
Anyway, any insight some of you might have would be vastly appreciated, even if it is just stating the obvious (that I am overthinking this).[close]
I may be mistaken, but it might have to do with different variations - I know that Ace was going to retool the 44's a little bit at some point (based on the Ben Degros review vid from end of 2019 I think) so depending on when you bought each pair you might have gotten trucks that while seemingly similar in every way except size, actually have some slight variation. Again, not positive if this is the case.
I rotate between 44s and 55s also and feel the same. I always put it down to 55s being so much wider. You are going to get more wheelbase, feel more stable, heavier truck.... Ace 8.75" will be the solution.
I could be wrong but I wanted to throw it out just in case. Maybe you just like the smaller size because it’s less axle to balance on? I skated 215s for a long time and got used to the width but when I sized down to 9 inch trucks it made grinds feel more stable because I was able to be a bit more precise with how I aimed my grinds. Maybe you’re feeling that same thing? Or maybe similarly to Ishod and others, you prefer the slight magic carpet ride? I’ve heard people who do the tucked under wheels claim they can flip the board much better with a smaller truck/wider board.
When fitting boards with 55's those all have 14.5"+ wheelbases and a longer WB equals a slower turn. Along with the trucks being wider themselves it's a combo that just doesn't keep the turn quite as sharp as some 44's or 33's. That being said, the extra grinding surface of some 55's feels amazing.
you’re making it hard to resist grabbing some 55’sExpand QuoteWhen fitting boards with 55's those all have 14.5"+ wheelbases and a longer WB equals a slower turn. Along with the trucks being wider themselves it's a combo that just doesn't keep the turn quite as sharp as some 44's or 33's. That being said, the extra grinding surface of some 55's feels amazing.[close]
I think this is why I am so into my 9" polar boards w/ 14.5 WB and Ace 55s. Just feels so damn good to turn.
Just coming back to skating pretty recently I had my natural affinity/loyalty to indy, but I needed to go up a truck size quickly. I was riding 8.75" and 159s but really wanted to get up to a 9" and everyone was screaming ACE at me. So glad I tried them. I'm convert for sure. Just riding stock. Im a big boy so to anyone else it would feel like Im riding tight, but theyre perfect to me for carving tight pockets.
you’re making it hard to resist grabbing some 55’s
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.
Has anyone set up a Polar Shin Sanbogi shaped board with their aces yet? I've seen pictures of people skating them with indys, ventures, and such but it looks like those wheel wells are made for aces.
(https://i.imgur.com/v7JnVgWl.jpg)
Via Brad McClain’s IG story
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.bobby worrest used to skate 149s with an 8.18
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.
Hey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.
The new Aces are supposed to have hollow kingpins right? Those ones from Brad's IG look like standard kingpins.
Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.Expand QuoteHey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.[close]
Hey I am looking for some 55s in colors. Any of them will do, but prefer Bronze or Blue. If anyone knows of an online shop that has some, HMU.http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Ace/p/Ace-55-9-axleTrucks-Classic-Shelby-Blue-set-of-2-x49700630.htm
That good to hear!Expand QuoteHa I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.Expand QuoteHey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.[close][close]
33’s are the shiiiiiiiiit. I really liked 33s and 8.25, when I was skating larger setups.
bobby worrest used to skate 149s with an 8.18Expand QuoteHey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.[close]
44s with an 8 would be about the same
Expand QuoteHey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.[close]
I was running an AH 8.06 with 44s a while back and it was great. Since the ends of the hanger taper, you can just put both washers on the outside and it'll push the wheels in to make them more flush.
(https://i.imgur.com/R48Eiri.jpg)
Ha I just did the opposite and put 33's on a 8.25 today. I have wanted to try Aces for a while now so I hope it works out.Expand QuoteHey all. I'm planning on going down in board size (8.25 to 8.0) and am currently running 44s. I'm planning on getting 33s in the future but my 44s still have a lot of life left in them. Would they fit ok on a 8? I'm ok with the axels peeking out a tiny bit.[close]
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Trucks/Ace/p/Ace-55-9-axleTrucks-Classic-Shelby-Blue-set-of-2-x49700630.htmExpand QuoteHey I am looking for some 55s in colors. Any of them will do, but prefer Bronze or Blue. If anyone knows of an online shop that has some, HMU.[close]
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and aceThere is a noticeable difference, idk if you'll like it. I didn't, I tried 3 times ace and they just don't work for me. This year I skated like 3 different brands and I returned to Indy.
Just threw 55’s on today
Thanks @FrozenIndustries
200lbs so they feel loose for sure, trying not to tinker and just break in stock bushings. Top fell out past washer a bit but loosened em a quarter to half turn and kept riding to break em in and was fine after. Got 55mm OG classics on and may throw risers on while they break in more
Can anyone confirm whether or not ACE are made under Paris trucks? Thought I heard this a while ago and now can't seem to find anyone who can confirm. Thanks!I can 100% NOT confirm that for you at this time.
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and acerecently went from indy 144 to ACE 44 (on a 8.25")
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?just chill, they’ll harden up! Happened on my first session too. Don’t tinker with them, just take your time and break them in properly.
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
just chill, they’ll harden up! Happened on my first session too. Don’t tinker with them, just take your time and break them in properly.Expand QuoteOkay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)[close]
just chill, they’ll harden up! Happened on my first session too. Don’t tinker with them, just take your time and break them in properly.Expand QuoteOkay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.[close]
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?Same situation with a set of 55's i set up this week. I loosened the nut about a 1/4 turn or so and it seemed to resolve that issue. Looks like you have some kingpin thread left to loosen. Others with more experience may have a different answer but this seemed to work for me until the bushings break in a bit.
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
yes
Expand Quoteyes[close]
I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)
EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.
Expand QuoteI've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)
EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.[close]
I've been riding my Ace 44s without speed rings, barely noticeable and seems fine no complications so far.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)
EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.[close]
I've been riding my Ace 44s without speed rings, barely noticeable and seems fine no complications so far.[close]
Why do you want to do that ?
Idon'tthink this will causeanyissue,butyou willprobablyhave more visible threads and willmost likelydestroy them sooner.
I've heard that using the inside speed ring/spacer/washer is optional on Ace trucks because the hanger tapers down. Has anyone got experience with this? I know the difference might be negligible, but I'd like to have my wheels a tad closer together on my 66s. (Don't tell me to get 55s, I already do.)
EDIT: To clarify, I want to remove the inside rings so that the bearings will be directly on the hanger.
Indy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and acehad a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right now
I had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.had a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right nowExpand QuoteIndy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace[close]
How does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.
Tha’s exactly what got me to thinking on it.Expand QuoteHow does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.[close]
I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.
Tha’s exactly what got me to thinking on it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.[close]
I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.[close]
If the only penalty was a bit of slop, I might be down, as I tend to run on the looser side anyway.
I also understand that a cup config was likely a deliberate decide on their part.
Just throwing shit at the walls, so to speak.
manual point on aces is god tier!I had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.Expand Quotehad a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right nowExpand QuoteIndy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace[close][close]
*(Once the bushings break in)
(https://i.ibb.co/BKKb2Gk/62-A8-ECB0-B0-EA-495-C-B369-D1-AAEAFBB8-BE.jpg)
I skated the lows for about 5 months before switching to these yesterday. I wish I would’ve skipped over the 03’s and went straight for the 33’s. The added height makes flip tricks that much easier and the way they pinch makes feeble/smiths and crooked grinds feel that much better. Maybe what I’m trying to say is that they’re more “responsive”? I wish I would’ve given them a try years ago
The only thing that irks me is that I already managed to crack both pivot cups after just two days of skating. I even swapped them out for the Riptide cups everyone seems to love. Maybe it’s just a side effect of the way the trucks turn mixed with my technique
dope but is 14wb on thunder equivalent to 14.25 on ace or thereabouts? that's the main concernmanual point on aces is god tier!Expand QuoteI had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.Expand Quotehad a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right nowExpand QuoteIndy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace[close][close]
*(Once the bushings break in)[close]
Thunders open up your wheelbase, aces shorten it!i know that!! are aces pretty much true to the measured wheel base on a deck though? i don't even know how far thunders extend the base tbh
I/ we got you fam!i know that!! are aces pretty much true to the measured wheel base on a deck though? i don't even know how far thunders extend the base tbhExpand QuoteThunders open up your wheelbase, aces shorten it![close]
manual point on aces is god tier!Expand QuoteI had only skated Ventures for decades, then last year I tried Indy hollows and really liked them. As of yesterday I am 2 flatground sessions and a little bit of cruising on my Ace 33s, and I absolutely love them. I dont know if its the trucks, or my deck/truck combination but the manual point is incredible. I'm not sure if any of that helps you guys, but I am definitely a big fan of Ace now.Expand Quotehad a similar thought recently related to thunders. deck width doesn't matter to me as much but realized i've really limited myself to trying to find short decks with 14" wheelbase or just a hair over, which have been hard to find. would ace or indy open up the field a bit? seems like 14.25 is sort of the norm right nowExpand QuoteIndy to venture back to Indy ( to hard to find short wb decks for venture) I want to try out some 44s. Am I just wasting money or is there a noticeable difference between Indy and ace[close][close]
*(Once the bushings break in)[close]
Tha’s exactly what got me to thinking on it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHow does running (top/bottom) flat washers on stock bushings instead of the cups affect Ace trucks?
Anybody tried & got feedback?
Just curious how this minor diff would change the ride, if at all.[close]
I've wondered this too. I can't imagine it would change much, maybe make things feel a bit softer with nothing holding the edges of the bushings in, probably not a huge difference though. It would however, definitely solve the issue mentioned above, with the bottom bushing popping over the washer and getting stuck/clicking.[close]
If the only penalty was a bit of slop, I might be down, as I tend to run on the looser side anyway.
I also understand that a cup config was likely a deliberate decide on their part.
Just throwing shit at the walls, so to speak.
I just got my first pair of Ace trucks, 66s. Woah, these things are floaty and carvey. They immediately feel different from stage 11 Indys, and especially Thunders and Ventures.
I love how they feel initially, but I keep getting crazy wheelbite. I tried tightening them down a boatload, still had wheelbite and the bushings were folding over a bit like in the posts on the last page. I have 55mm OJ mini super juice, and .1” risers. I’m 225lbs, if that makes a difference.
How do I get these things to not get wheelbite? Is it as simple as changing to 1/4” risers? I’m just trying to make one order tonight and have everything I need to get these trucks to feel right. Do I need harder bushings?
Thanks
I just got my first pair of Ace trucks, 66s. Woah, these things are floaty and carvey. They immediately feel different from stage 11 Indys, and especially Thunders and Ventures.
I love how they feel initially, but I keep getting crazy wheelbite. I tried tightening them down a boatload, still had wheelbite and the bushings were folding over a bit like in the posts on the last page. I have 55mm OJ mini super juice, and .1” risers. I’m 225lbs, if that makes a difference.
How do I get these things to not get wheelbite? Is it as simple as changing to 1/4” risers? I’m just trying to make one order tonight and have everything I need to get these trucks to feel right. Do I need harder bushings?
Thanks
Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!
Expand QuoteTl;dr break in the stock bushings![close]
Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTl;dr break in the stock bushings![close][close]
Tl;dr break in the stock bushings!
Thanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.
Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?
Expand QuoteThanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.
Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?[close]
The issue is the top washers that come stock with Aces have a thicker edge than, say, Indys. It digs into the bushing when you tighten them down and squeezes them out the side.
Find some Indy top washers and put them on your Aces. Problem solved.
have you broken in the stock bushings enough? How tight do you need them? Stock indy 169 bushings felt way softer than stock ace 55's to me.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks. Took some time to read a few pages back about all this too and found what I needed. I don't want to sell them, I like how they turn. Gonna break them in more and see, as well as try my indy bushings in them.
Can I ride them with the bushings folding over the washers, or should I stop every time and put that back to normal?[close]
The issue is the top washers that come stock with Aces have a thicker edge than, say, Indys. It digs into the bushing when you tighten them down and squeezes them out the side.
Find some Indy top washers and put them on your Aces. Problem solved.[close]
Thanks, will try tonight. It’s ok to ride them with bushings squeezed, it just looks odd?
I recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.
Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses
Expand QuoteI recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.
Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses[close]
please listen to the good man. please.
as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.
Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses[close]
please listen to the good man. please.
as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.[close]
I actually got pretty mad at the trucks the other day, after troubleshooting with them for an hour. I’ve never in my life have to do this with a truck. Could barely ride them at stock tightness, and tightened them when the bushing ripped a bit hanging off the washer. Called up Tactics, they will accept a used return. I’m not messing around with it, it should ride well stock, like every single other truck I’ve had in my entire life has.
Will stick with indys, thunders and ventures. They don’t have as nice of a turn, but I can actually ride them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI recommend breaking in your bushings at stock tightness.
Once the bottom bushings looks like a shaved nutsack your preforming truck at all tightnesseses[close]
please listen to the good man. please.
as many others have mentioned: break in the stock bushings. it really is the easiest thing to do: do not tighten, do not buy something else, just cruise around. after a few days the bushings will settle in/firm up, and you can at that point, tighten them down (for best results do not tighten drastically, tighten, skate, tighten, skate....you get it). ace are not my forever truck, but they are the shit, and if you enjoy the simple act of skateboarding i do not see how someone would not get at least some enjoyment out of using ace: best turn.[close]
I actually got pretty mad at the trucks the other day, after troubleshooting with them for an hour. I’ve never in my life have to do this with a truck. Could barely ride them at stock tightness, and tightened them when the bushing ripped a bit hanging off the washer. Called up Tactics, they will accept a used return. I’m not messing around with it, it should ride well stock, like every single other truck I’ve had in my entire life has.
Will stick with indys, thunders and ventures. They don’t have as nice of a turn, but I can actually ride them.[close]
I like and ride other trucks too.
That being said, I do not fucking understand when people hop on a skateboard, hop off, and instantly crank the bushing down, and then are upset when the bushing break. That is how to break/rip/tear bushings. It’s weird as hell to expect a different result.
I like ventures, a lot, but it’s basically the opposite problem for me with stock bushings: need to loosen em up a lot before I can get enough turn, or swap out the top washer for a flat washer. I’ll still skate em for a few sessions stock first. That’s the breaking it in part. People that try and short cut this type of shit for sure buy pre ripped pants.
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Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.
Its been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:@IpathCats
44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125
Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.
Thanks man!@IpathCatsExpand QuoteIts been noted on here pages back but according to people in the know here's how the new axle sizing was going:
44s 8.25
55s 8.5
66s 8.75
77s 9.125
Someone from Ace confirmed with me that they were working on a size between the current 44s and 55s on Facebook.[close]
Kind of hope they stay at 9 and not 9.125”
Are people starting to hoard the 8.38" 44s?
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Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.
(https://i.imgur.com/ibsalfnl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PcUdJ0kl.jpg)
Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.
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Raven’s IG. Bottom of baseplate is a beautiful touch.[close]
So, the new plates are indeed forged? Won't that lower them by about 1.5mm? That would probably make them too low for my liking. I'm very happy at 52mm, but I've skated 55mm most of my life, so getting down to Thunder height might throw me off too much. Let alone the fact that I don't like the feel of forged.
I'd rather have titanium axles and hollow kingpin to shed some of that weight.
I'm skating 44s on 8.25 and its perfect.
Now I'm not sure if I would have to go with the 55 or stick with the 44 ?
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.
I got some white Ace 66 just because. I, too, am experiencing the bushing bulge. We'll see how this pans out.
Every time I try to skate anything else, I come back to Ace, specifically the 44s.
One of the locals here got some in so I gripped a new set. Was feeling kind of bad about spending the money but ended up hitting axle later that day. Might flip them front to back and keep running them but we shall see.
I've been skating mine on an 8.5 Hockey with 56mm loopholes and no risers. I get wheelbite about the same as I do on indys with 53s and harder bushings, which is pretty amazing. The combo of the Aces with the 56s is something I never thought I would be into but I just can't quit it.
Rambling, just psyched on Aces.
Every time I try to skate anything else, I come back to Ace, specifically the 44s.aces and 56 loopholes are a great match! I rock that combo with 1/8 risers and don’t notice any wheel bite
One of the locals here got some in so I gripped a new set. Was feeling kind of bad about spending the money but ended up hitting axle later that day. Might flip them front to back and keep running them but we shall see.
I've been skating mine on an 8.5 Hockey with 56mm loopholes and no risers. I get wheelbite about the same as I do on indys with 53s and harder bushings, which is pretty amazing. The combo of the Aces with the 56s is something I never thought I would be into but I just can't quit it.
Rambling, just psyched on Aces.
Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?
I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.
Expand QuoteDoes any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?
I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.[close]
They do and with less wheel bite!
Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
Anyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?
Get indy rubber risers and cut themExpand QuoteAnyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?[close]
Some of the old ones do from what I've seen, but the current ones do not. They're under a little at the inside bolts and stick out at the end.
Expand QuoteAnyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?[close]Get indy rubber risers and cut themExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know if Diamond risers fit Ace’s perfectly without sticking out on any side?[close]
Some of the old ones do from what I've seen, but the current ones do not. They're under a little at the inside bolts and stick out at the end.[close]
Ace truck axel nut fell off while trying to lock into a fs 180 nosegrind. This was when Ace was doing axel nuts that were the same size as a hardware nut. Got layed out and winded from that.
I collected a whole bunch of those 3/8 axle nuts but ace stopped making it at V4.Expand QuoteAce truck axel nut fell off while trying to lock into a fs 180 nosegrind. This was when Ace was doing axel nuts that were the same size as a hardware nut. Got layed out and winded from that.[close]
Saw Skrotum brought this up in a thread on gear failure, and it piqued my interest. Somehow I was unaware of Ace having hardware nut sized axel nuts, missed that completely. What's the deal with these? Was it right when they were starting out in 2006 or whatever? Anyone have photos of these? Can't find anything on google images.
Expand QuoteAce truck axel nut fell off while trying to lock into a fs 180 nosegrind. This was when Ace was doing axel nuts that were the same size as a hardware nut. Got layed out and winded from that.[close]
Saw Skrotum brought this up in a thread on gear failure, and it piqued my interest. Somehow I was unaware of Ace having hardware nut sized axel nuts, missed that completely. What's the deal with these? Was it right when they were starting out in 2006 or whatever? Anyone have photos of these? Can't find anything on google images.
This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.
What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?
I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.
This thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.
What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?
I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.
Alright. Bout to go insane.
I've ridden Indy's for 10 years.
About a year ago, I switched to Ace 44. They were great. Loved how they turned.
The one day I started noticing my board was feeling weird-- stiff/wonky turns and this strange 'hollow' feeling, especially when skating down the street. Really really abrasive ride. And generally the board has been feeling slower, and inconsistent speed-wise too-- like depending how my weight is on it, it just slows down for no reason (it's not wheelbiting), or just feels like i'm pushing up hill all the time.
Obviously, I thought it was the wheels. I switched those (twice), as well as bearings, and removed the riser pads thinking maybe those were the problem. Also thought it might be the deck, thinking it was soggy, so been through a couple of those. Nothing. Still feeling stiff, slow, and just wonky. The only thing left in my troubleshooting is the Ace's.
Has anyone experienced some shit like this? Any ideas on what I should try? Is there some way I can check and see if my Aces are bent or something?
Expand QuoteThis thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.
What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?
I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.[close]
Really been enjoying Polar 8.5 shape with ace 44. Its 32.125 long and 14.5 wheelbase. On the steeper side I would say. Also really good trucks on DLX 8.5 shape.
my favorite deck to pair with ace 44s was the short quasi 8.25 with the 14.25 wb (I think they do a longer one too). fit perfect with 56mm conical fulls. I'd get annoyed with that shape because 144/148s were too small but 149s were too big. goldilocks trucks for that shape. I'm pretty sure habitat, gx1000 and wknd do a shape like that too.
wish instead of just doing the same sizes as everything else they'd do one in the middle of the 44 and 55, something like a hair smaller than a 159 or something, they'd probably go perfect on the short quasi 8.5s. the taper of those towards the back truck can be kinda madness inducing if you like your see your wheels but not have your stuff looking like a monster truck.
Expand QuoteAlright. Bout to go insane.
I've ridden Indy's for 10 years.
About a year ago, I switched to Ace 44. They were great. Loved how they turned.
The one day I started noticing my board was feeling weird-- stiff/wonky turns and this strange 'hollow' feeling, especially when skating down the street. Really really abrasive ride. And generally the board has been feeling slower, and inconsistent speed-wise too-- like depending how my weight is on it, it just slows down for no reason (it's not wheelbiting), or just feels like i'm pushing up hill all the time.
Obviously, I thought it was the wheels. I switched those (twice), as well as bearings, and removed the riser pads thinking maybe those were the problem. Also thought it might be the deck, thinking it was soggy, so been through a couple of those. Nothing. Still feeling stiff, slow, and just wonky. The only thing left in my troubleshooting is the Ace's.
Has anyone experienced some shit like this? Any ideas on what I should try? Is there some way I can check and see if my Aces are bent or something?[close]
Did you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?
If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.
Expand QuoteDid you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?
If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.[close]
betting my ass it's the shitty ass pivot cups ace use. that would explain the tipping or hollow feeling. the metal nub probably rubs against metal, creating a groovy sensation, that kills all the temptation.
Does any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?
I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.
I'm all for keeping the stock bushings, but I did wear through the pivot cup rather fast.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDid you try new pivot cups/bushings? Do you have loose kingpins?
If they are bent, you can tell by looking at the road surface area of the wheels when on flat ground, if the wheel isn't sitting flat, probably bent.[close]
betting my ass it's the shitty ass pivot cups ace use. that would explain the tipping or hollow feeling. the metal nub probably rubs against metal, creating a groovy sensation, that kills all the temptation.[close]
Thanks Xen and Frank!
The wheels are level as can be, so I don't think axle is bent bent.
Have not tried new bushings, was trying for that stock Ace experience but I might try that at some point.
Pivot cups look OK from what I can see externally but I agree with Frank that it could have something to do with the erratic behavior. It has also been the LOUDEST setup i have ever ridden since i started having issues, so the metal-on-metal theory makes sense. I'm gonna try and take them apart and see if either one is shredded.
Expand QuoteThis thread has lead me to pick up some Aces. Thanks.
What are your favorite decks to pair with Ace 44’s? Steep or Mellow kicks? Long or Short wheelbase?
I’m using an 8.5 Isle deck with 14.5 wheelbase on Indy 149s at the moment but I’m looking to try an 8.3-8.375 maybe not BBS.[close]
Really been enjoying Polar 8.5 shape with ace 44. Its 32.125 long and 14.5 wheelbase. On the steeper side I would say. Also really good trucks on DLX 8.5 shape.
They are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.
I've learned that Riptide pivot cups are essential. The new China Indy's stock pivot cups are the only tolerable stock pivot cups. The rest are a detriment to how a truck could actually perform if the pivot cavity didn't have garbage urethane inside of it. Ace's aftermarket cups will be decent for a short while then lose their magic, you have to keep using a crayon inside so it doesn't squeak and feel shitty just like all the other cups. Riptide's stay consistently amazing throughout their whole life.
Expand QuoteDoes any body ride/has ridden the 02/03 low trucks? Do they turn deeper than other brand low trucks?
I got Indy lows once and gave them away after one day since they didn't turn for shit, but now I'm setting up a 7.5-7.75 so I want some lower trucks.[close]
I have tried my homie Dayo's 03s I was shocked at the performance.
They turned nicely. I wanna say they had some red Indy replacement parts? Hard to remember. Much tighter setup than I would ride.
It's like these two extinct trucks had a baby.
(https://i.ibb.co/Bsrchb3/16056507239146529909513065928093.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bsrchb3)
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Expand QuoteThey are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.[close]
Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.
Presuming those bearings are properly seated, them things is toast.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.[close]
Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.[close]
Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:
https://imgur.com/yA7SDE2
Here are some vids. Do these look pretty jacked to anyone else? Seems pretty wobbly to me, but I'm not sure what is normal.
https://youtu.be/SX5plUfC4xs
https://youtu.be/--PcJo5MJQk
Honestly, pivot cups look fine:
https://youtu.be/9IzVx6f2IQY
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.[close]
Sounds like your axel is bent dude.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.[close]
Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.[close]
Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:
https://imgur.com/yA7SDE2
Here are some vids. Do these look pretty jacked to anyone else? Seems pretty wobbly to me, but I'm not sure what is normal.
https://youtu.be/SX5plUfC4xs
https://youtu.be/--PcJo5MJQk
Honestly, pivot cups look fine:
https://youtu.be/9IzVx6f2IQY
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThey are also Ace Hi's, which I notice Ace doesn't even sell anymore. So I may have gotten some older version of Ace's.[close]
Sounds like your axel is bent dude. Even though your wheels might sit even, check how they're wearing. If they're coning inward, with the outside being larger than the inside, your axel is bent. Even the new Ace's will bend, if you're on an old set I bet that's what happened. The pivot cups suck too, so it might be a combination.[close]
Yo! You might be on to something. I skated a really dirty park and the wheels were clearly more black towards the center, indicating some unevenness:
Everyone should try the axle straightness test.I've heard this before, as well.
The guy who taught me that test is was a longboard designer and engineer. He said that most regular trucks have a slight bend, it’s almost unavoidable when the metal of the truck cools around the axle in the casting process.
The only ‘true’ straight axles you can get, as far as I know, are CNCed longboarding racing trucks, where demands for precision are much higher
Also in the name, most companies leave out the "HI" or the taller version of trucks are just "standard height" with only the lower or special versions being given specific extra names.
is there any more word on the new ace sizing? is there gonna be an 8.75 truck? i loved my ace 55s until the top bushing on the rear one started tearing apart and wrecked the turn. The cost of getting new ace bushings is quite steep and i havent seen them sold independently anywhere where i live, so i've switched back to 159s for now, unless ace comes out with an 8.75ish axle truck this spring or whenever. the turn on ace is definitely the best its a shame they can be so finnicky sometimes
Expand Quoteis there any more word on the new ace sizing? is there gonna be an 8.75 truck? i loved my ace 55s until the top bushing on the rear one started tearing apart and wrecked the turn. The cost of getting new ace bushings is quite steep and i havent seen them sold independently anywhere where i live, so i've switched back to 159s for now, unless ace comes out with an 8.75ish axle truck this spring or whenever. the turn on ace is definitely the best its a shame they can be so finnicky sometimes[close]
I know this was recommended more with the older Ace bushings, but Krux tops work just as well with the new Ace bottom bushings, if you can find them.
Funny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut. It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench. There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.
Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces. Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying
so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?
since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.
Has anyone ridden Ace 55s on a 8.68 deck?
I know the axle is 9" but I thought it might work better than the 44s since the "max size" listed on their website is 8.5.
I ask because I went black Friday crazy and bought a Black Label 8.68 with Ace 55s and now I'm wondering if it will work.
Has anyone ridden Ace 55s on a 8.68 deck?
I know the axle is 9" but I thought it might work better than the 44s since the "max size" listed on their website is 8.5.
I ask because I went black Friday crazy and bought a Black Label 8.68 with Ace 55s and now I'm wondering if it will work.
so i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?
since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.
Expand Quoteso i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?
since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.[close]
I've broken/sprained my feet/ankles multiple times. Before my last bad injury I was riding 8.75 with indy 159 titanium. After surgery and physical therapy getting on that board felt impossible to maneuver, so I sized down to 8.5 and ace 44's and it helped a good bit.
Funny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut. It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench. There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.
Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces. Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying
Expand QuoteFunny issue with my new Ace 55's, you literally cannot get a skate tool or even a box end wrench on the kingpin nut. It can only be loosened or tightened using an open end wrench. There's not enough clearance between the hangar and kingpin nut to get anything behind it.
Never had that happen with any previous set of Aces. Not a big deal because I just set it and forget it but if you are constantly messing with your kingpin it would be super annoying[close]
Your hanger sitting properly? If I use too short of a bottom bushing one of my Ace's is like that. As long as I have an Ace bottom bushing or Krux, it doesn't have that issue.
Expand Quoteso i have a question for y’all. i had a bad ankle injury a while ago and lost a lot of my pop/power in my back foot. would switching to aces help improve my pop if my maximum pop is less now?
since it “lightens up” the pop. i don’t normally like long wheelbase boards or steep boards. and i find 14.38 with thunder almost un skate able ( at least for flat) i find i have to lean back more, which is more difficult on a weak back ankle.[close]
I've broken/sprained my feet/ankles multiple times. Before my last bad injury I was riding 8.75 with indy 159 titanium. After surgery and physical therapy getting on that board felt impossible to maneuver, so I sized down to 8.5 and ace 44's and it helped a good bit.
Does anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?
Expand QuoteDoes anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?[close]
Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?[close]
Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.[close]
The ML top isn't as tall as the Ace top. Best bet is to leave the Ace top (which is already kinda hard) and mess around with a harder bottom. Or try whatever and crank the kingpin nut down more.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone make bushings the same size as ace, but harder?[close]
Minilogo. I was running the orange 94a for a bit.[close]
The ML top isn't as tall as the Ace top. Best bet is to leave the Ace top (which is already kinda hard) and mess around with a harder bottom. Or try whatever and crank the kingpin nut down more.[close]
Had no idea. I want to revisit my set now.
This is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.
These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.
Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.
(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)
Expand QuoteThis is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.
These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.
Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.
(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)[close]
Replace them with washers from Indy or Venture. The Ace washers are a lot more snug.
This is like my 8th go round with ACE. One of the things I don’t like is how the bushings do this. What’s the solution here? I removed the hanger to install the riptides and cranked it right back to stock.Throw the bottom washer in the trash.
These are brand new. This is just from leaning side to side on the living room carpet.
Other times I’ve just been over it and put in bones hards. Taking suggestions.
(https://i.imgur.com/E0WvNJ2.jpg)
Those are rad, link? Would be nice to find that same nut that has added locking protection with some nylock at the end. I think those look way cooler than normal axle nuts.
Re: risers
@FrozenIndustries
Used indy (meh) risers because of the open areas they have, you can align it to be flush with the outside edge of the baseplate. Don’t use the bolt holes
(https://i.ibb.co/dpxpQgH/E6028077-C070-4027-8729-E7-EDA0-E435-B7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dpxpQgH)
(https://i.ibb.co/5shKVmf/37-BDBA6-F-D929-499-D-9-FF0-FFE175435-F05.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5shKVmf)
(https://i.ibb.co/rfnZfG3/BCD8-FC36-8044-4-FD9-8-E77-EFE31810-A548.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rfnZfG3)
Those are rad, link? Would be nice to find that same nut that has added locking protection with some nylock at the end. I think those look way cooler than normal axle nuts.blue loctite should work
55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.nice red base plates. Keep those kingpin nuts stock (or even loosen a touch) and break em in for a bit before you try to tighten.
(https://i.ibb.co/gJ5hK6y/20201205-201307.jpg)
nice red base plates. Keep those kingpin nuts stock (or even loosen a touch) and break em in for a bit before you try to tighten.Expand Quote55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.
(https://i.ibb.co/gJ5hK6y/20201205-201307.jpg)[close]
Expand Quotenice red base plates. Keep those kingpin nuts stock (or even loosen a touch) and break em in for a bit before you try to tighten.Expand Quote55s are mounted up. Can't wait to skate them.
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Trill talk from Jay
How long do you skate the bushings at stock tightness before tightening or loosening? Setting up aces today and curious on how long I should let them be and harden up before adjusting
Thanks guys I appreciate the advice. I skated them yesterday not long cause by the time I got them set up I needed head home. The way they carve definitely was fun to cruise around on and hit small transition. I only shared for maybe 30-45 min and didn’t notice the washers eating into the bushings yet. At 6’1 225 in kinda stoked I didn’t kill the bushings. No weird sounds so far. One wheel wouldn’t go in smooth but I think it’s something up from bearings.indy ti are 53.5mm tall while the ace's are
Coming off Indy/ti/forged I do feel like my timing on ollies was off like it took a bit before I hit the ledge I skated. So I looked like a dork ghost popping I’m sure.
Pretty stoked on them so far
indy ti are 53.5mm tall while the ace's are 53mm.. shouldn't be too crazy of a difference - that might've been more wheelbase adjustment that truck height? are you on 44 or 55? I use 1/8" risers with my 55 to bring the height to around indy standard w 54mm+ wheelsExpand QuoteThanks guys I appreciate the advice. I skated them yesterday not long cause by the time I got them set up I needed head home. The way they carve definitely was fun to cruise around on and hit small transition. I only shared for maybe 30-45 min and didn’t notice the washers eating into the bushings yet. At 6’1 225 in kinda stoked I didn’t kill the bushings. No weird sounds so far. One wheel wouldn’t go in smooth but I think it’s something up from bearings.
Coming off Indy/ti/forged I do feel like my timing on ollies was off like it took a bit before I hit the ledge I skated. So I looked like a dork ghost popping I’m sure.
Pretty stoked on them so far[close]
Could be wrong, usually am, but ace are maybe 52mm. Indy ti push the effective wb out, ace brings it in.You're right, Tactics is wrongly listing them at 53mm. I thought that sounded weird but didnt question it bc i hadn't had enough coffee yet.
‘Knowing’ these little factoids hasn’t helped me too much.
pretty sure the previous version was 53 and they just didn't update itYou're right, Tactics is wrongly listing them at 53mm. I thought that sounded weird but didnt question it bc i hadn't had enough coffee yet.Expand QuoteCould be wrong, usually am, but ace are maybe 52mm. Indy ti push the effective wb out, ace brings it in.
‘Knowing’ these little factoids hasn’t helped me too much.[close]
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers
I’m on 53 right nowsame here. 53's on either 44 or 55 ace no risers, no problems
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers
what wheel size do you guys like with ace? absolute max? no risers
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIqeaiAJKvb/?igshid=1u2v1ipylox1dThank you! Nice edit.
Space camp!!
Of Montreal "The past is a grotesque animal." It doesn't get much better than this combo.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIqeaiAJKvb/?igshid=1u2v1ipylox1dTell you what... if I didn’t already own a couple sets, I’d wanna pick one up for sure after seeing that “homey edit.”
Space camp!!
Of Montreal "The past is a grotesque animal." It doesn't get much better than this combo.
What's the max wheel size for stock looseness no risers Ace 44s without going to wheelbite town? Would 54mm-s suffice?
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?
Thinking of getting some aces to bring in the WB on the 8.5 Polar's. Is it worth getting riptide bushings?
been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it? ;Dyes you should >;-D
been riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it? ;D
how’s the jump from 55 to 66?Expand Quotebeen riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it? ;D[close]
I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.
how’s the jump from 55 to 66?Expand QuoteExpand Quotebeen riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it? ;D[close]
I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.[close]
Expand Quotebeen riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it? ;D[close]
I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.
Hell yeah they feel great on 8.5! If you want them to fit a little more flush with the board, run 2 washers on the inside of each wheelExpand QuoteExpand Quotebeen riding indy 149/159 for years and would like to try some Ace 44s. Never had a bad set of indys so I'm a bit scared to try anything new. Should I just go for it? ;D[close]
I'd like to say you won't regret it. I rode nothing but indy's until I was gifted a set of 55s and never looked back. Currently running a set of 44s on my regular setup, 66s on a curb setup and 00s on a little cruiser.[close]
Good to hear! Then I will try a pair of 44s since I ride 8.5 boards mostly. Maybe get 55s for summer and for a bigger board.
Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?To clarify it's not when I am ollieing, it's when I amholding the board and hit the underside of the tail on the ground to check the pop.
To clarify it's not when I am ollieing, it's when I amholding the board and hit the underside of the tail on the ground to check the pop.Expand QuoteCould it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?[close]
Could it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?
Interesting theory! It kind of reminds me of a waterlogged board...but ya know, not bad.Expand QuoteCould it be because Aces are lower than indys resulting in the tail hitting the ground differently?[close]
No, it sounds this way even when holding board in hand and tapping the ground with tail. My theory is the soft metal of the baseplates has a deadening quality.
So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but skate mainly streetI have short legs and have a hard time skating Indy,thunder, or venture. I feel I can Ollie higher and flip my board way easier on ace. The only downside that I’ve personally noticed is I have a harder time doing front and backside krooked grinds. And I slip out of back smith grinds a lot easier. Maybe it’s the design/geometry of the truck?
So can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but skate mainly street
I have short legs and have a hard time skating Indy,thunder, or venture. I feel I can Ollie higher and flip my board way easier on ace. The only downside that I’ve personally noticed is I have a harder time doing front and backside krooked grinds. And I slip out of back smith grinds a lot easier. Maybe it’s the design/geometry of the truck?Expand QuoteSo can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but skate mainly street[close]
Expand QuoteSo can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but skate mainly street[close]
I pretty much only skate street and my Aces are fine. They feel best on steeper kicks and few fingers of flat for me. Mellow kicks and too much flat with Aces feel good for manuals and smaller tricks but make my pop too light and doesn’t work out for me.
I run riser pads with my ace. I’ve actually had the same pair for like 15 years and always used them so I’m not sure what the difference would be. That is a good idea though and makes a lot of sense.Expand QuoteI have short legs and have a hard time skating Indy,thunder, or venture. I feel I can Ollie higher and flip my board way easier on ace. The only downside that I’ve personally noticed is I have a harder time doing front and backside krooked grinds. And I slip out of back smith grinds a lot easier. Maybe it’s the design/geometry of the truck?Expand QuoteSo can anyone vouch for these for skating street only? I always heard they are better for transition skaters but I’m interested in the short wheelbase they make but skate mainly street[close][close]
I skate mostly street and yeah getting a good comfortable pinch is a little hard on aces but still possible (but some ledges idk why it just doesntwork)
this is mainly why I was considering getting risers for aces, I feel like being 3mm taller would make pinch a little easier to sit on and pop out of but idk
I only ever get the dead pop sound on my Ace 44s after changing wheels.
My 55mm con. fulls have an immaculate pop sound , whereas my 53s have a dead clunk and I have no idea why.
You are about to find out. I've had 3 sets of 44s and two sets of 55s with no issues whatsoever.
I couldn't get ahold of 55's, so I set my Shin up with some 44's and it seems to be working ok so far.
I'm also running a wider wheel (OG classics) so that helps make up for some of the width difference.
For skinnier wheels (reg classics) I would definitely prefer 55's...
(https://i.ibb.co/txNn74p/SHIN-44.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPd7b6v)
Yeah, Stinky I rotate between Ace and Thunder also. I think Thunder wheel bite easier bc of the geometry. Something about the way Ace turns, keeps it from wheel biting so much despite a similar height. Just a theory but Ace seem to 'hook' under the deck more. Thunders turn quick but with less of a curve in the turn or 'hook.' I don't know if that's the best way to describe it or not. Anyway, I like them both.
On another note, I'm hoping the new sizes are out soon. On their website, they have BA riding 66s and Raven riding 55s. I'm guessing this is a nod to the new sizes with the new 55s being 8.5" and 66s being 8.75".
New trucks in winter are a big no no.
Thunders feel so so different to Ace but I find a broken in pair of 151s on 1'8" risers to suit most of my needs. There's nothing spicy going on. They are predictable, stable when you want them to be and turn super quick when you need it. I've never had speed wobble on loose Thunders. Another thing.... When a deck seems to be all mushed out as its nearing the end of its useful life, I can take my Aces off and put the Thunders on and it feels snappier, stiffer and more responsive again. But when Ace do an 8.75" that turn might be too much for me to resist. That could be the truck I grind to Valhalla on.
New trucks in winter are a big no no.
Thunders feel so so different to Ace but I find a broken in pair of 151s on 1'8" risers to suit most of my needs. There's nothing spicy going on. They are predictable, stable when you want them to be and turn super quick when you need it. I've never had speed wobble on loose Thunders. Another thing.... When a deck seems to be all mushed out as its nearing the end of its useful life, I can take my Aces off and put the Thunders on and it feels snappier, stiffer and more responsive again. But when Ace do an 8.75" that turn might be too much for me to resist. That could be the truck I grind to Valhalla on.
I do the same thing with aging decks. Ace to Indy to bring a little life back or Ace/Indy to Thunder or Venture if it’s a mellower deck to bring it back to life
New trucks in winter are a big no no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONNP_Cc_MUFunny because he's running Indy as of mid/late last year!
I got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25. I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them. It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.
Expand QuoteNew trucks in winter are a big no no.[close]
Seriously. The breaking in of ice cold new bushings, a fresh hanger with no grooves slipping all over dusty coping at an indoor, yuck.
Expand QuoteI got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25. I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them. It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.[close]
As someone who does a ton of slappy crooks, yep. This is the kind of shit that gives me the madness.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNew trucks in winter are a big no no.[close]
Seriously. The breaking in of ice cold new bushings, a fresh hanger with no grooves slipping all over dusty coping at an indoor, yuck.[close]
The stuff of nightmares.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got some Thunder 148 hollow lights for Christmas and set them up on a $lave 8.25. I've never ridden Thunders before this, but I was frankly startled at how easy crooked grinds and feebles in particular were with them. It was as if just getting the truck on the ledge/rail was all it took to lock in and go, whereas Aces require a kind of choreography involving where to put pressure on your foot to make those tricks work.[close]
As someone who does a ton of slappy crooks, yep. This is the kind of shit that gives me the madness.[close]
Unfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.
He's been on Indy for several years.Damn, you're right! Feels like it was last year (2019, still not used to it being 2021) in my mind because I remember the switch and thinking Ace of Ace was pretty funny. Guess it was back in 2018. Where did that time go? Lol
Unfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.
Expand QuoteUnfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.[close]
I think the best advice for truck madness is focusing on what aspect of a truck is the most important, then choose based on that. Mine is turning, and no other truck can get me that turning satisfaction like Ace. A Thunder or Venture might make me feel more stable, an Indy might put my mind at ease with a titanium truck that I wont have any bending/breaking issues...but none of it matters in the end because I need to feel that insane turning ability under my feet.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteUnfortunately the madness has convinced me that each and every truck has its own special place. This is how I justify having about a dozen pairs of trucks including all the major brands.[close]
I think the best advice for truck madness is focusing on what aspect of a truck is the most important, then choose based on that. Mine is turning, and no other truck can get me that turning satisfaction like Ace. A Thunder or Venture might make me feel more stable, an Indy might put my mind at ease with a titanium truck that I wont have any bending/breaking issues...but none of it matters in the end because I need to feel that insane turning ability under my feet.[close]
I'm with you on that one. I'm the same, I need to have the best turn possible while not worrying too much about wheelbite, and Ace delivers just that. Honorable mentions to Indy though, a very close second, and they last longer, which is another important part for me. I usually rotate between Ace 44s and Indy 159s, depending on the deck dimensions, but Ace is where I feel most at home.
With ace replacement bushings being out of stock. I know krux bushings work, does anyone know if dimebag works? Is there a list of what works? I have some new bones in my parts bin but trying to stay away from them.whats wrong with your stock ace bushings?
With ace replacement bushings being out of stock. I know krux bushings work, does anyone know if dimebag works? Is there a list of what works? I have some new bones in my parts bin but trying to stay away from them.indy cylinder bushings might fit
indy cylinder bushings might fitExpand QuoteWith ace replacement bushings being out of stock. I know krux bushings work, does anyone know if dimebag works? Is there a list of what works? I have some new bones in my parts bin but trying to stay away from them.[close]
Any Ace 55/66 riders that can tell how they ride? Kinda contemplating on Ace or Indy for my next pair of trucks. Mostly been riding curbs and flatground these days so would like to know if anyone has done similar type of skating with them?
Any Ace 55/66 riders that can tell how they ride? Kinda contemplating on Ace or Indy for my next pair of trucks. Mostly been riding curbs and flatground these days so would like to know if anyone has done similar type of skating with them?
Indy bushings (169) feel way softer than ace bushings (55) to me
When are the updated aces supposed to be dropping? Want to wait for those before trying a pair out.
When are the updated aces supposed to be dropping? Want to wait for those before trying a pair out.
Does anyone here skate the 33s? I've only skated 44's but was thinking of sizing my whole setup down a little bit and was wondering how they compare or what people's feelings are on them. Currently skating 44's on an 8.75 because I like a pretty intense magic carpet feeling... was thinking of doing 33's on a 8.25
Does anyone here skate the 33s? I've only skated 44's but was thinking of sizing my whole setup down a little bit and was wondering how they compare or what people's feelings are on them. Currently skating 44's on an 8.75 because I like a pretty intense magic carpet feeling... was thinking of doing 33's on a 8.25
I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.
Expand QuoteI just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.[close]
I remember seeing that Grosso (RIP) had his Aces set up this way, too. I assume it's a Krux downlow kingpin with an epoxied nut at the bottom?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.[close]
I remember seeing that Grosso (RIP) had his Aces set up this way, too. I assume it's a Krux downlow kingpin with an epoxied nut at the bottom?[close]
Looks like it, from the third pic on that instagram post.
That guy has some amazing modifications and well worth looking through his previous posts on instagram.
I wanted to put up a few more, but thought I might be posting too much.
Things like cutting down 55s to make them spot on 8.5 wide trucks, changing out kingpins for those inverted ones, making his own boards, changing and cutting down Vans Sk8 hi to mid... the list goes on.
Also posted in Trucks thread, but thought some people might like it in the Ace thread too.This post of his is an even better step-by-step tutorial on how to do this
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.9750
I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.
Looks like he did it right.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B__TYkzFm38/
Anyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.
what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?Expand QuoteAnyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.[close]
I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them
I've learned trucks wider than deck is no fun for me, less turn and more wheelbite. 44's with 2 washers on the inside works great for 8.5. For 8.6-8.8" I run three washers on the inside with wide wheels and it's pretty much flush with the deck. Never have a "magic carpet" feeling.
what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.[close]
I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them[close]
what boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.[close]
I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them[close]
Expand Quotewhat boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.[close]
I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them[close][close]
Second the question about which boards with 55s
TKF 8.75Expand Quotewhat boards work the best for you with 55’s? Kicks/wb/fingers of flat?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone tried an 8.5 with 55’s?
Super hot rod?
I’ve got conical wheels ( speed lab slappy hours)
Seem to recall something in the set up thread with 55 on an 8.6 ages ago.[close]
I'm running this setup right now and have off and on over the last few years. You get a little bit of hotrod but running no axle side washer and two on the outside helps! Can still flip my board just fine. Nothing beats 55s for me so no matter what else I try and whatever board I'm setting up I'm always going back to them[close][close]
I prefer steeper kicks and between 14.38-.5 on wheelbase, don't really pay attention to fingers of flat
Retired my 44s recently after the pivot cups blew out even though they had a lot of life left in the hangers. They just felt too squirrelly.riptide
Is there a pivot cup replacement that anyone would recommend that holds up better?
riptideExpand QuoteRetired my 44s recently after the pivot cups blew out even though they had a lot of life left in the hangers. They just felt too squirrelly.
Is there a pivot cup replacement that anyone would recommend that holds up better?[close]
Just wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.why did you need a replacement?
Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.
Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??
https://www.mesadistribution.com/
why did you need a replacement?Expand QuoteJust wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.
Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.
Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??
https://www.mesadistribution.com/[close]
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?Yes, and for me the answer was adding .125" to the wb of the deck, and a 3mm riser pad to get it closer to what I was used to.
Expand Quotewhy did you need a replacement?Expand QuoteJust wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.
Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.
Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??
https://www.mesadistribution.com/[close][close]
Crazy bent axle (hurdy gurdy) video wasn't it??
yeah I remember! Going to test it with my 55’s later as they aren’t mounted at the moment.Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhy did you need a replacement?Expand QuoteJust wanted to say that Ace' warranty program is pretty great. Nice, responsive dudes over there.
Bout to get some replacement Ace's in the mail. Unfortunately, it is the deep of winter so I hope the stories on the last few pages are maybe a little bit exaggerated I able to break them in OK in the deep cold.
Also, it looks like Ace is under a new distro now with.... evan smith's Uma landsleds??
https://www.mesadistribution.com/[close][close]
Crazy bent axle (hurdy gurdy) video wasn't it??[close]
Yep that was me, dual bent axles. @jay_nev the vids are back on page 90 if you want to peep.
Super tempted to change my setup but not sure yet. Im currently on 8.5/31.8/14.2 board with Aces and they make board feel super short. It feels good on smaller stuff but not that stable on ramps. Thinking on trying 32-32.5 length and 14.375-14.5 WB next since I don't flip much nowadays amd skate more transition and curbs. Anyone ride aces and 14.5wb, how is it?
Ace heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?
Expand QuoteSuper tempted to change my setup but not sure yet. Im currently on 8.5/31.8/14.2 board with Aces and they make board feel super short. It feels good on smaller stuff but not that stable on ramps. Thinking on trying 32-32.5 length and 14.375-14.5 WB next since I don't flip much nowadays amd skate more transition and curbs. Anyone ride aces and 14.5wb, how is it?[close]
sounds like youre on a FA rn? I'm on a FA rn as well but last 2 boards were a polar and frog 14.5wb and I honestly loved it for skating bowls and such. Much more stable and control which seems to be what youre looking for.
Ever since I switched to Aces though, wheelbase hasn't been too much of a factor for me compared to when I was skating indys. Like I can go from a 14 to 14.5wb easily and only feel the difference when i skate transition. On indys a 14.3wb feels too long for me, but on aces 14.5 feels just right.
Expand QuoteAce heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?[close]
Here's my experience, switching to Ace and Theeve after 16 years on Indy. I still have a 35" ollie, and popping up and over high stuff has always sort of been my specialty. I was prepared to having to adjust, but I was scared about how it would affect my ollie. Much to my surprise, it didn't. I was on forged indy's for about a year before the switch, so the height difference wasn't too noticeable. I also happened to bump up in wheel size around that time, so it didn't really affect my timing. I've also heard people complain about a dead feeling pop, but to me it was an improvement over forged baseplates. I've sometimes wondered if I shouldn't ride such a short WB with the offset already being so tight on Ace, but I'm ok as long as the tail is short and somewhat steep.
tl;dr: no
My setup:
8.25 / 31" / 14.00WB, medium concave, short tail
Indy ti 144 ---> Ace 44 (and theeve 5.5)
52-54mm
I really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck...
Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?
Expand QuoteI really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck...
Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?[close]
me too!
and
yes!
dang, i may have to try some 6.1s now too. haven't had ventures since the early-mid 90sExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI really wish Ace made an 8.75 truck...
Do Aces slide on the baseplate like Venture?[close]
me too!
and
yes![close]
Sweet! Let the great experiment begin
The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.ace trucks... light??
ace trucks... light??Expand QuoteThe pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.[close]
ace have that same thing indy has going on for me where your board feels light while you're skating and popping off the ground but they feel heavy in your hands.
when I switched ace for ventures I was surprised at how they felt lighter in my hands but made my board feel heavier under my feet.
thunder were the neutral ones where they felt light in my hands and felt light under my feet and popping the board.
My ACE trucks are lighter than my titanium Indys
The pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.
Does a mag baseplate make the truck that noticeably lighter? Just curious because I've never skated hollow trucks or anything other than the standard models.
Of all that's been said about Ace, pinch I can't remember being mentioned once.Expand QuoteThe pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.[close]
ace isnt known to have the best pinch
in fact compared to thunder and venture its pretty ass
compared to indy its slightly worse
Gonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25
Expand QuoteGonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25[close]
How often do you switch board size. General consensus around here is 44 on 8.25
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGonna make the jump to Ace but can't decide if 33s or 44s are the way to go. Currently riding 148 Thunders on 8.25[close]
How often do you switch board size. General consensus around here is 44 on 8.25[close]
Usually stay on that size but would only go up if I switch do guess 44s are the way to go. Just not a fan of seeing anything poking out when I look down but hopefully won’t be a problem
Pulled the trigger and picked up some Ace 55s. Has anyone skated 55s on an 8.5? Was the board flip-able?
My ACE trucks are lighter than my titanium Indys
Expand QuoteThe pinch on smith's and crooked grinds are what drew me to these trucks. Ace trucks are so light and stable I'm hyped to have a pair.[close]
ace isnt known to have the best pinch
in fact compared to thunder and venture its pretty ass
compared to indy its slightly worse
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAce heads that came from Indy. Anyone feel like their pop got messed up when making the switch? Was riding ace for a few months and found myself not making certain ledges that I used to make even though my deck was a lot lighter. Been screwing around on another setup with Indy standards and I could pop way higher much easier. Anyone run risers with their aces to make them Indy height?[close]
Here's my experience, switching to Ace and Theeve after 16 years on Indy. I still have a 35" ollie, and popping up and over high stuff has always sort of been my specialty. I was prepared to having to adjust, but I was scared about how it would affect my ollie. Much to my surprise, it didn't. I was on forged indy's for about a year before the switch, so the height difference wasn't too noticeable. I also happened to bump up in wheel size around that time, so it didn't really affect my timing. I've also heard people complain about a dead feeling pop, but to me it was an improvement over forged baseplates. I've sometimes wondered if I shouldn't ride such a short WB with the offset already being so tight on Ace, but I'm ok as long as the tail is short and somewhat steep.
tl;dr: no
My setup:
8.25 / 31" / 14.00WB, medium concave, short tail
Indy ti 144 ---> Ace 44 (and theeve 5.5)
52-54mm[close]
A: GODDAMN 35” is no joke, almost a tennis net.
B: what is this 8.25x14x31 board?
I commented on an Ace post from January 19 asking when the new ones are going to drop and they just replied with the crystal ball emoji.Which will I get first: the new Aces, or a covid vaccine?
Which will I get first: the new Aces, or a covid vaccine?Expand QuoteI commented on an Ace post from January 19 asking when the new ones are going to drop and they just replied with the crystal ball emoji.[close]
Hopefully the new Ace trucks will have 8.75” axles in the line up
Aren't Ace and Thunder 149 the same height at the axles?
Or .5 off ?
I keep seeing how Ace are bigger but they aren't really
Anyone have experience with the 00s? I found the element woody I bought when I was like 16 and I want to trick it out with aces and rat bones.
I'm soldExpand QuoteAnyone have experience with the 00s? I found the element woody I bought when I was like 16 and I want to trick it out with aces and rat bones.[close]
I have them on a little cruiser with some 60mm OJ hot juices and 1/4in risers. Also put coned bottom bushings in to make it super carvey and it's probably the most fun board I've ever pushed around on
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards
Expand Quotedo ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards[close]
Ace and thunder bottom bushings are the same height (14mm). Ace top bushings are 12mm. Thunders are 10mm. So, maybe a tad wonky??
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards
do ace bushings work well in thunders? specifically 149 standards
you need ace lo top and ace classic bottom if that info is correctExactly. Makes Indy's turn almost as good as ACE. Never tried it with thunders, though.
According to this blog, dated Nov 2020, the new Ace trucks will be called AF 1s and will be out in April 2021. They also say, the 'Classic' line will stay in production...wait... if they're keeping the classics and the rumor of the size shift is true, are they gonna have a separate size chart?
https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/ (https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2020/11/05/ace-trucks-urgent-call-to-all-ace-pilots/)
The question is who is going to DM Joey T, Shrewgy or Ace like a man??
Here's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:
(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)
Expand QuoteHere's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:
(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)[close]
Sorry to chime in on this so late but catching up on 90+ pages of Ace chat takes a good few minutes ;)
Surely adding risers to Ace trucks and having such a short wheel base would make the timing of the ollie feel super delayed?
Does anyone else agree with Ben Degros that Ace trucks fall out of the crooked grind pinch?
Apologise if anyone has mentioned this already...
One of the homies that skates for Ace just mentioned a few days ago that they'll be releasing their own bushings fairly soon. Two choices apparently: one of which will have the top bushing cut to half the normal size.
My guess is they'll be releasing them along with the new forged truck.
@Mbrimson88 probably worth also putting that bushing height info in the bushing thread. Valuable
Oslo 44’s with risersHes got those bitches cranked down too! Damn I'm 200 lbs and run the nut flush!
Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers
(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)
Hes got those bitches cranked down too! Damn I'm 200 lbs and run the nut flush!Expand QuoteOslo 44’s with risers
Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers
(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)[close]
Ha good observation! I don't care about pros setups very much but that picture is making me question everything I've ever "known"Expand QuoteHes got those bitches cranked down too! Damn I'm 200 lbs and run the nut flush!Expand QuoteOslo 44’s with risers
Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers
(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)[close][close]
He's got risers and wheel wells cut out and those kingpins cranked. Absolutely no chance for wheel bite
Oslo 44’s with risers
Seems like the polar/ace guys run risers
(https://i.ibb.co/8zRwCwF/7-A6-CF3-B3-CE2-A-4-AE1-A687-BE038-B614263.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8zRwCwF)
Wondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.yeah maybe that’s it . What would the benefit be? Deeper turn?
yeah maybe that’s it . What would the benefit be? Deeper turn?Expand QuoteWondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.[close]
Expand Quoteyeah maybe that’s it . What would the benefit be? Deeper turn?Expand QuoteWondering if he has low tops/standard bottoms. When I run aces I keep them stock and cranking them down at all seems like it would back them bag out at the sides pretty hard.[close][close]
I think the opposite, wouldn't it cause the top washer to bite the hanger quicker and make it a little "pinchier"? Need some of our bushing experts to weigh in.
Okay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)
Expand QuoteOkay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)[close]
Like many ppl here, I experienced exactly the same problem. At first I tried to install Bones mediums but they don't fit but you can get away with it if you keep the bottom stock bushing although wasn't ideal for me. I know a few dudes that skate theirs like that.
The Ace stock top washer is defo too small so I tried it with the Bones top washer and they're perfect like that with the kinpin nut flush. Hands down the best turning truck in the game if you like loose trucks.
Not sure how people skate tight trucks tbh. Having to tic tac to turn should be illegal. Way more legit when you see someone landing a fast & gnarly trick or line and you can tell their riding hella loose trucks as its so much harder!
Or get flat washer from set of bones bushings like the dude said, best feeling.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOkay, I've read a lot of this thread in the past, I've changed over to riding Ace trucks now. So, I just set-up a brand new deck today with Ace 44s and I can't ride them without either the top or bottom bushing escaping from the washer and messing it up. Is this normal? I did read that you just need to keep riding it and it will eventually settle?
Couldn't enjoy them yet since I can't ride for more than a minute without the bushings doing this, although the turning seems so great compared to my old indy 139s.
(https://i.imgur.com/dcseczI.jpg)[close]
Like many ppl here, I experienced exactly the same problem. At first I tried to install Bones mediums but they don't fit but you can get away with it if you keep the bottom stock bushing although wasn't ideal for me. I know a few dudes that skate theirs like that.
The Ace stock top washer is defo too small so I tried it with the Bones top washer and they're perfect like that with the kinpin nut flush. Hands down the best turning truck in the game if you like loose trucks.
Not sure how people skate tight trucks tbh. Having to tic tac to turn should be illegal. Way more legit when you see someone landing a fast & gnarly trick or line and you can tell their riding hella loose trucks as its so much harder![close]
just keep poking it back in, and keep skating them for a week or two.
it fixes itself after you wear the bushings in a bit. it's annoying, but worth it
the new trucks won't
Expand QuoteHere's the Ace baseplate with a Diamond 1/8" riser:
(https://i.imgur.com/G1C7RxL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/h82Mojk.jpg)[close]
Sorry to chime in on this so late but catching up on 90+ pages of Ace chat takes a good few minutes ;)
Surely adding risers to Ace trucks and having such a short wheel base would make the timing of the ollie feel super delayed?
Does anyone else agree with Ben Degros that Ace trucks fall out of the crooked grind pinch?
The pinch between venture and ace is definitely different. Think of it this way. Ace turns deep and feels carvy. Venture is more of a lean than a turn. So when you crank down a crook with all your body weight, the ace truck is way more contorted while grinding. Meanwhile the venture has a much milder angle.how tight do you ride your 6.1s? pinch never was a problem or something to "simulate" in my experiences
For me, it feels like the ace is more parallel to the curb and venture is so sideways it’s damn near like a noseslide. So in that regard, the techniques do require slightly different body weight distributions for long grinds.
At first I thought it was BS too but after riding ace for a few years and now on my second set of 6.1s, I understand it. An easy way to see it, is just push your truck down as hard as you can to simulate the pinch. Doing this you can see how much more contorted the ace gets.
And to answer the question of falling out of crooked grinds? Neither truck is gonna stop you from doing this on long grinds (I say long because this is where the body weight distribution really matters). You can fall out on both trucks if your technique is slightly off. However I will say that popping out to forward in the middle of a curb/ledge is immensely easier on venture. Maybe it’s because it’s in a closer position to a nose slide?
Can anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?
Been wanting to try ace for so long to shorten the WB on my 8.5 Polars. Can't wait till the new model drops 🔮
Expand QuoteCan anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?[close]
Unless you are riding tiny wheels or tighter trucks, or put risers on (which kind of defeats the purpose of low trucks) you might end up struggling.
Not to say there are not people who like them, but compared to the normal ones, they are very low with minimal kingpin clearance, check that pic - maybe zero clearance and kingpin touching once you do a few grinds?
https://shop.acetrucks.com/products/ace-trucks-03-low-polished
Ace 03 Low, at 1.90" (48mm) tall these are a full 5/32" (4mm) lower than our 33 Classic. Not recommended for use with taller than 53mm wheels. These lower your center of gravity for added stability at the cost of a slightly reduced turning radius. Works best with 8.125" or smaller boards.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ACE_Low_Side_b06a5251-b8ef-4521-8fed-4a8dbbecc387_530x.jpg)
I tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.
Expand QuoteI tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.[close]
Yeah I might have to up my size to an 8.6... I was really stoked on the 55s and an 8.5 but they're a hair too wide and the 44s are like a magic carpet ride. It was really strange how wide they felt though, like a noticeable difference. I'm over Indy's and slipping axles and had a weird experience with thunders... I was running bones bushings but they kept cracking so now I am back to stock Indy's but I put both top bushings in the truck and it turns a little better IMO.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI tried 55's on my 8.5 and yea it wasn't ideal. I LOVE my 8.75 with 55's though. Such a sweet truck. I had the same bushing issue. I threw a Bones Hard top with the washer and left the stock bottom with washer and its worked perfect. I did this to my 66 set up as well. Works good for me.[close]
Yeah I might have to up my size to an 8.6... I was really stoked on the 55s and an 8.5 but they're a hair too wide and the 44s are like a magic carpet ride. It was really strange how wide they felt though, like a noticeable difference. I'm over Indy's and slipping axles and had a weird experience with thunders... I was running bones bushings but they kept cracking so now I am back to stock Indy's but I put both top bushings in the truck and it turns a little better IMO.[close]
I ride 8.5 almost exclusively and I'm on 44s, although I do have 3 washers inside each wheel and 1 outside to make them a little wider. I'd say it makes them about as wide as indy 149s. I also hate the magic carpet feel, and 55s are way too big for me. Can't wait until I can get my hands on a 8.75 Ace truck though, and I've tried going back to indy 159 and something's just off, so I make it work with 3 washers on 44s in the meantime.
Flip your axle nuts, I've done it plenty of times. No worrying about the nuts flying off.i do this too and frequently swap wheels. never had any problems. is there a reason they're not made this way?
3 washers inside is definitely key to skating a 8.3-8.5 with 44s. Coming from 159-8.5 setup as well it does suck not having that extra room to grind on but the pros outweigh the cons... at least scooping is alittle bit easier lol.
Switched back to 8.5 from 8.38 board and had a new set of ace 44s to try, too narrow. Went to the shop got some 55s, too wide.... I had that bushing dilemma as well.... So far my quest to start riding aces is on standby...
Pontus set up. 8.75” 14.375” wb and ace 55 it’s looking like.
(https://i.ibb.co/PjFpqs8/017-EF2-C3-96-E4-4-BD7-8-B2-C-92-B9-AECF43-F7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PjFpqs8)
(https://i.ibb.co/dWj7t7D/1-D616127-F04-D-4-D17-B21-B-055390-BDF8-BA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWj7t7D)
I'm kinda stuck between ordering those riptide pivot cups or just waiting for the new model to drop next month. I cant believe my pivot cups have gotten so bad only after 9 months...
Expand QuoteI'm kinda stuck between ordering those riptide pivot cups or just waiting for the new model to drop next month. I cant believe my pivot cups have gotten so bad only after 9 months...[close]
What did I miss, next month? is that confirmed somewhere?
Can anyone give me a quick review of the 03s? I'm currently on 44s and was thinking of sizing down to 33s once I kill these, but was always curious about how the lows feel. How's the turning? Wheel bite? Kingpin clearance?
Any hints one way or the other if the new sizes will be redesigns as well? I remember Oski having a setup pic last year with hollows, same with a Joey T. pic that was floating around, but Oski's recent setup pic, and Pontus..and everyone else just seem like normal Aces. Did they scrap the redesign and just opt for new widths?
It's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle
Expand QuoteAny hints one way or the other if the new sizes will be redesigns as well? I remember Oski having a setup pic last year with hollows, same with a Joey T. pic that was floating around, but Oski's recent setup pic, and Pontus..and everyone else just seem like normal Aces. Did they scrap the redesign and just opt for new widths?[close]
I've noticed quite a few pilots with the new Ace's based off how the "ACE" logo on the baseplate looks different, but they all have solid kingpins, so I also think they may have scrapped it. I think they just updated the sizing and then it's going to be forged, while still keeping the "classics" in the lineup.
What aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...
Expand QuoteWhat aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...[close]
Riptide bushings or pivot cups?
What sort of problems did the riptides cause?
personally saw no reason to run them in aces for the time i gave them a chance, their turning geometry doesnt need to be messed with imoExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat aftermarket bushings does everyone run? For a while I was pretty satisfied with stock, but I got the inevitable madness and also had problems when I threw in some riptides so I eventually got bones mediums to see how they felt in them. They're decent, but I'm honestly having a hard time noticing if they're really making any difference at all...[close]
Riptide bushings or pivot cups?
What sort of problems did the riptides cause?[close]
Pivotcups - they weirdly make the turn feel more janky than before. I've used riptides in thunders previously and felt like they made those turn way better, while also being more stable.. for some reason in my Aces they feel off-set, or more choppy in some way.
Expand QuoteIt's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle[close]
I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle[close]
I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.[close]
OK, I apologise for probably asking this question for the millionth time.
I'm considering switching to ACE, I ride from 8,8' (the smallest I can go) to 9,25'. I was considering the 66s but i guess by reading this it might be way too big? Correct?
Thanks for the patience.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt's actually kinda wild to consider that Ace doesn't offer an equivalent to the 149 or 159, which are, judging from the people I know, the two most popular sizes of Independent Trucks. I even ran into my local curb dog, the guy who was skating Ace Trucks 6 or 7 years ago, skating Indy Mid 159s, because he didn't like the way that his 55s hung off the side of his 8.75" popsicle[close]
I still run Indy 159s for that very reason (which I had gotten TI instead of Hollow, but I might bite on the the Ti-Mindy at that size), those 8.88 make the 55s more bearable tho.[close]
OK, I apologise for probably asking this question for the millionth time.
I'm considering switching to ACE, I ride from 8,8' (the smallest I can go) to 9,25'. I was considering the 66s but i guess by reading this it might be way too big? Correct?
Thanks for the patience.[close]
Run the 55s my dude
iNDY HANGAR ON ACE BASEPLATE? DOES IT WORK?
Bought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?
Bought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?
Expand QuoteBought 44s December 2020. Love the look and the turn. When I hold the hangers against each other, there is probably a 2mm gap at each side. Nothing to fuss about too much, but it still raises concerns. I don't even skate "big shit", but I would maybe like to ollie some stairs in the future and my skatepark has a minimega, so air time and big impacts are not out of the question. How is the bendability of these as of now? Should I go to Indys for the big impact stuff? Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?[close]
While its possible they have bent, the hangars also have a little bit of 'rocker' (Not as much as they used to) so there is more meat over the king pin than out toward the end of the hangar. It was an intentional design but also made any axle bending issues appear worse.
It works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.Thanks ! I bought my first paire of ace in january and realized that i was pretty disappointed by the quality of the pivot hole.
Thanks ! I bought my first paire of ace in january and realized that i was pretty disappointed by the quality of the pivot hole.Expand QuoteIt works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.[close]
and yes i also realised the axle also bent a little even if i dont do gaps or big drop, only pavements ollie. i'm gonna put them on my cruiser set up for definitive use and wait for the next generation. yet i said a lot of complaining but i still love how they turn and how they dont wheelbite that much for being lower than indy. ace 55 for info.
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?
Expand QuoteHas anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?[close]
Bro Ace are made in China!!! You need to surrender them now.
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?
Will a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?
Expand QuoteWill a hollow/titanium axle help with bendage in the future?[close]
Most axles bend with significant weight and heavy landings, but I cannot hammer Titanium axles back straight the way I can with other normal trucks.
Yes the titanium still bend - I have a set from a guy who bent them, unable to warranty as they are worn down too far and it has been too long, but they still bend.
Go with the standard axle, normal versions and they will work better and have fewer issues in the long run.
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?
I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.
Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.
Expand QuoteCan people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?
I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.
Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.[close]
I was thinking the exact same thing, but I’m about 50lbs heavier than you and I’ve never bent or broken a set. I’ll still Ollie of some shit waist high, but mostly skate lower impact shit and do a lot of slappys. Out of the multiple sets I’ve had, I have had no issues. Maybe it’s luck of the draw?
Expand QuoteCan people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?
I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.
Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.[close]
I was thinking the exact same thing, but I’m about 50lbs heavier than you and I’ve never bent or broken a set. I’ll still Ollie of some shit waist high, but mostly skate lower impact shit and do a lot of slappys. Out of the multiple sets I’ve had, I have had no issues. Maybe it’s luck of the draw?
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?
I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.
Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.
Can people who talk about bending or breaking Aces post pics? Also, how much do you weigh?
I had one set of Aces come from the factory with a flaw in the hanger (Ace replaced it immediately), but otherwise the only QC Issue I've ever had was a blown pivot cup (I've had 6 sets total). I fluctuate between 200 and 210, and while I mostly skate lower impact stuff I am pretty big and stomp my tricks.
Not trying to be a dick, I've just never seen any of these issues IRL and figure my fat ass would have made one of these things happen at some point.
Has anyone tried Ace 44's with Primitive and Isle decks?
When you see guys like Raven, Sandoval, Oski ripping bowls you can see how they sometimes utilize that extra turn you could never get with Indys. By the time you're that loose you're wobbling and wheelbiting all over the place.Expand QuoteThanks ! I bought my first paire of ace in january and realized that i was pretty disappointed by the quality of the pivot hole.Expand QuoteIt works with older stage 1 and 2 Ace baseplates. I have some newer Ace baseplates that are like the rest of the batches currently coming out, the pivot hole is slightly crooked, and you will notice pivot cups stick out higher on one side than the other as a result of this. Indy hangers do not sit well inside these wonky pivot cavities.[close]
and yes i also realised the axle also bent a little even if i dont do gaps or big drop, only pavements ollie. i'm gonna put them on my cruiser set up for definitive use and wait for the next generation. yet i said a lot of complaining but i still love how they turn and how they dont wheelbite that much for being lower than indy. ace 55 for info.[close]
I've been running 9" boards almost exclusively for a long time, but might now go down to an 8.8 magenta for my next deck. Continue to run the 55s? 44s seem too small.
Expand QuoteI've been running 9" boards almost exclusively for a long time, but might now go down to an 8.8 magenta for my next deck. Continue to run the 55s? 44s seem too small.[close]
I'd go with 55s.
I run my 55s on an 8.75 deck and it doesn't feel wonky.
According to Ace:
"Constructed from pure 7071 series aluminum
Heat-treated 3056 series steel axles."
I don't know how that compares to 4140 steel.
I have heard they are using a harder aluminum in the new trucks.
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger? if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger? i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger? if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger? i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way
Expand Quoteare all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger? if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger? i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way[close]
They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:
(http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/trevenen/bent-aces.jpg)
4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.
Expand Quoteare all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger? if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger? i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way[close]
They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:
(http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/trevenen/bent-aces.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteare all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger? if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger? i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way[close]
They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:[close]
What's interesting about that photo is that fact that the steel axle could bend so much but not break the hanger, which implies that Ace uses a pretty soft aluminum. They list it as 7071, which matweb doesn't even recognize as a thing (7075 is the absolute highest quality aluminum, though I'm not sure it would be ideal for a skateboard truck). In any event, it's hard to imagine something flexing high quality, stiff, cast aluminum more than one or two MM without causing some visible fracturing. That's certainly the case with Indys, where you can see that their A356 hangers and baseplates will crack immediately when stressed
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteare all of these Ace trucks really getting bent, or is it just a bit of an optical illusion due to the shape of the hanger? if they're bent, wouldn't it crack the hanger? i don't think the axles would be able to bend without the hanger giving way[close]
They've lessened the extra beef in the center of the hanger which help visually to create a 'bend', but they DID bend, you could easily tell due to the the inner portion of the wheels touching the ground and the out edges not doing so. That's what happened to my pair, and to this dude's:[close]
What's interesting about that photo is that fact that the steel axle could bend so much but not break the hanger, which implies that Ace uses a pretty soft aluminum. They list it as 7071, which matweb doesn't even recognize as a thing (7075 is the absolute highest quality aluminum, though I'm not sure it would be ideal for a skateboard truck). In any event, it's hard to imagine something flexing high quality, stiff, cast aluminum more than one or two MM without causing some visible fracturing. That's certainly the case with Indys, where you can see that their A356 hangers and baseplates will crack immediately when stressed[close]
I'm no machinist by any stretch but I worked in a machine shop doing shit work for a couple years. 7071 is definitely not a thing in aluminum. 6061 is, and the way Aces grind is sort of like how 6061 machines, soft and a little gummy. Also weird they cite a type of axle steel there's no info on either.
thank you. i stand corrected.Expand Quote4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.[close]
4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles
thank you. i stand corrected.Expand QuoteExpand Quote4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.[close]
4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles[close]
What's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?
Expand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)
are all of these Ace trucks really getting bent
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard
Expand Quotethank you. i stand corrected.Expand QuoteExpand Quote4140 is common chromoly steel, what many steel bike frames are made out of.[close]
4130 is what is what is found in bicycles, due to the fact that it can be best drawn into long, thin, flexible and strong tubes (Reynolds, Columbus, True Temper, Ishiwata, etc all manufacture some kind of 4130). The other steel that's used for inexpensive bicycle frames in 1010 hi-tensile steel, the sort of stuff you might find on a department store bike, a classic "bike boom" frame, or an old Schwinn. As for 4140, it is more commonly used in "bar" application, such an spindles, axles, pinions and other applications where weight matters less than overall strength. I assume that's why it's so commonly found in skateboard axles[close][close]
No problem. My professional background is in
1) Machining
2) Bicycles
So I've spent more time thinking about this that most people will in their lifetimes
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
Expand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
So is the new updated aces gonna be available in the classic 44 (8.38) size?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
Honestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?
I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Where the hanger meets the pivot cup looks real weird.
I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.
Expand Quote
I really want a proper 8.75 Ace, but I was hoping for something else to really bring me back, like a hollow kingpin or just anything to reduce the weight. I know I can do this on my own via aftermarket parts, but I'd prefer not to have to do that.[close]
yeah, these could well be heavier than the existing models. the prototype 44s i checked out were heavier than the existing 44s. i'm not personally concerned about weight but there is a market out there for light trucks that ace might be missing.
I'm hoping for a size that matches Indy 215s.
Expand QuoteI'm hoping for a size that matches Indy 215s.[close]
Strong rumor says it is definitely definitely coming in this revamp.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Cool man good stuff
One more question on ace's if anyone can help.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Cool man good stuff
One more question on ace's if anyone can help.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.[close]
52mm.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Cool man good stuff
One more question on ace's if anyone can help.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.[close]
52mm.
I'm kinda underwhelmed by no hollow kingpin or forged baseplate but at the same time happy that they addressed the pivot cup issue. I cant wait to skate a 8.5 deck and be able to see my wheels again lol.did they, though? it's the same geometry. all the ad says is they replaced the pivot cup. people have had riptides blow out with aces
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Cool man good stuff
One more question on ace's if anyone can help.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Cool man good stuff
One more question on ace's if anyone can help.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.[close]
52mm.[close]
I was under the impression that they were 53mm?
All I’m seeing is vague marketing with that ad specifically. I’d like to see the technical info on the “hi grade” aluminum and “stronger” axles. So no forged? No one asked for laser engraved axles and rethreading axle nuts. 96a urethane pivot cups eliminates the need for riptides, potentially. Not really sold on this new version of Ace that has been hyped as nearly indestructible, not getting any convincing info so far.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's this I'm hearing about re-threading axle nuts?[close]
I was thinking "What are you on about?!?" but then saw the new Thrasher ad for them, so here is a pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/tq4Hxff/Ace-trucks-NEW-2021.jpg)[close]
Dang, that marketing hooked me hard[close]
I have also been marketed to.
Think I'll give these new ones a go now when they come out.
All I skate is polar and everyone tells me that polar + ace is the blessed combo.
Only thing holding me back is the talk on here of them slipping out of crooks.....which is probably not as bad as people say?[close]
It isn't. I said that at one point, but back on Aces after a month on Ventures and they crook just fine. I made a post a page or so back publicly apologizing for spreading that kind of misinformation.Expand QuoteHonestly, I mostly care about the new sizing.[close]
Finally getting an 8.75" Ace is going to be wild.[close]
Cool man good stuff
One more question on ace's if anyone can help.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ? One thing I love about Venture let's say is how low and stable I feel.[close]
52mm.[close]
I was under the impression that they were 53mm?[close]
You had me doubting for a second, Ace website says 52mm, but Tactics says 53. Whatever, they're lower than Indys, that's about as much as I know.
And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.
Expand QuoteAll I’m seeing is vague marketing with that ad specifically. I’d like to see the technical info on the “hi grade” aluminum and “stronger” axles. So no forged? No one asked for laser engraved axles and rethreading axle nuts. 96a urethane pivot cups eliminates the need for riptides, potentially. Not really sold on this new version of Ace that has been hyped as nearly indestructible, not getting any convincing info so far.[close]
Seriously....re-threading axle nuts? Laser engraving will help me skate better? Better 'washers'? WASHERS...what was wrong with the previous ones? Better Bushings? As a fan of the current rev of stock bushings, I'll be impressed if the new ones are better. 'Proprietary Manufacturing Process' and pointing to the baseplate? Maybe these are still their 'forged' plates?
All anyone wanted was a lighter/stronger ACE. Easily accomplished with Forged plates, hollow pins/axles and better materials/QC. Instead, this ad gives us nothing we actually want except stronger axles = hopefully leading to less bending issues.
If this is 'it' they're off the shortlist and it's back the TiMindy train instead.
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.[close]
Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.
Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.[close]
Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.[close]
Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.
"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.
Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?
I love my aces and idk if I can go back to another truck. But damn I like the 8.38 sized 44s. So I hope they keep that 8.38 size in the rotation cause I’d like to try the new ones in that size
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.[close]
Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.[close]
Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.
"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.
Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?[close]
Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.
Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.
Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.
Expand QuoteI love my aces and idk if I can go back to another truck. But damn I like the 8.38 sized 44s. So I hope they keep that 8.38 size in the rotation cause I’d like to try the new ones in that size[close]
Same same
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.[close]
Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.[close]
Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.
"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.
Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?[close]
Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.
Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.
Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.
The N in NHS.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote
And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.[close]
Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.[close]
Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.
"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.
Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?[close]
Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.
Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.
Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.[close]
What Novak is this ?
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And is the current 55 an 8.75" truck if it didn't have extra long axles?[close]
No its closer to a 169.
Some Debbie downers on here. Harder metal, better sizes. They've got my money, especially if they are like the prototypes I've felt up.[close]
Definitely not trying to be a downer, but also tempering expectations. I dig everything about Aces except the weight, which is completely subjective on my end. I guess when pics started showing up with hollowed out steel and talk of forged plates I got my hopes up.[close]
Yup, hopes up (my fault) and then dashed.
"the most technological truck ever made" = weak claim when even the shit truck companies have them beat on technical innovations from the past 10 years...hollow, forged, Ti, etc.
Just not sure what the obsession is with trying to re-invent the whee...er axle nuts...first the .38 specials now these...who asked for either?[close]
Yeah, it's not necessarily about being a downer. For those of us who have been riding Ace's close to the start know they've had quite the long run of faults probably more than any other truck out there with the quality control issues. Each new "stage" of Ace that has come out has been...sort of...an improvement but things like axle nut variations and laser engraved axles are just completely unnecessary and not what is important when it comes to improving a truck.
Indy's don't suck, they turn well and have forged/hollow/Ti variations that handle getting beat to shit. Ace's turn better, and it's addicting, but if they break and bend enough times people will naturally want the company to improve their product. Joey T. and Shrewgy just keep semi-blowing it and offer changes that no one asked for. They seem to take half steps, like this time around offering new sizes which is something people did ask for, but if the strength isn't actually improved, there's not much to get excited about. An ad is an ad, it's marketing and means nothing. They claimed in their last revamp strength was improved, and they still broke and bent.
Again, it's not about being negative or a downer, it's just healthy criticism for a company we want to succeed. I still love their trucks, and I wanna see more people with those sexy Ace hangers under their feet. I'd much rather give money to those two dudes than NHS. The remaining Vitello's and Novak have enough money.[close]
Someone needs to make sure Joey sees this.
Do we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?
Expand QuoteDo we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?[close]
According to their Insta "Sooner than we think"
They are probably floating around on a ship that can't dock in LA or Long beach.
Expand QuoteI'm hoping for a size that matches Indy 215s.[close]
Strong rumor says it is definitely definitely coming in this revamp.
Expand QuoteAll I’m seeing is vague marketing with that ad specifically. I’d like to see the technical info on the “hi grade” aluminum and “stronger” axles. So no forged? No one asked for laser engraved axles and rethreading axle nuts. 96a urethane pivot cups eliminates the need for riptides, potentially. Not really sold on this new version of Ace that has been hyped as nearly indestructible, not getting any convincing info so far.[close]
Seriously....re-threading axle nuts? Laser engraving will help me skate better? Better 'washers'? WASHERS...what was wrong with the previous ones? Better Bushings? As a fan of the current rev of stock bushings, I'll be impressed if the new ones are better. 'Proprietary Manufacturing Process' and pointing to the baseplate? Maybe these are still their 'forged' plates?
All anyone wanted was a lighter/stronger ACE. Easily accomplished with Forged plates, hollow pins/axles and better materials/QC. Instead, this ad gives us nothing we actually want except stronger axles = hopefully leading to less bending issues.
If this is 'it' they're off the shortlist and it's back the TiMindy train instead.
I never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo we know when the new batch is supposed to be rolling out?[close]
According to their Insta "Sooner than we think"[close]
There is fuck all ace 44 left in Europe so I'd imagine it's soon.
Except for one shop who have debited my card for a pair yet haven't confirmed my order which is worrying as I have fuck all cash. Some shops need to up their game.
Feels like a lot of the ace team uses risers to get em to standard Indy height
Expand QuoteI never liked the height of Indy's. Feels way too unstable to me. That's why I've always skated venture and thunder.
Where does Ace fall for height between all these ?[close]
Standard Indy: 55mm (too tall, IMHO)
Forged Indys: 53mm (these are MUCH better than standard Indys)
Ace: 52mm
Thunder: 51mm/52mm
Piecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.
Expand QuotePiecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.[close]
To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s. However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePiecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.[close]
To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s. However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.[close]
This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas
Christmas isn’t a date on a calendar, it’s a state of mind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePiecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.[close]
To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s. However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.[close]
This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas[close]
That's just what a a new component complete is called, no matter what time of year.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePiecing together a Christmas complete and just ordered 44’s from Shrunk. I’ll be picking them up later today. Excited to try something new.[close]
To sum up the past 100+ pages of this thread, if you like Indys and get a good pair, you will absolutely love 44s. However, I admit that I'm puzzled at the notion of a March Christmas complete.[close]
This is the second time this week that I have seen a new complete has been called a "Christmas Complete", despite being months removed from Christmas[close]
That's just what a a new component complete is called, no matter what time of year.
Expand Quoteare all of these Ace trucks really getting bent[close]
Yes /thread
Are they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\
Expand QuoteAre they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\[close]
I think they are staying the same, but I haven't seen the new ones yet to know.
That second pic definitely looks different, but camera angles and other things distort the image too. I find holding or sitting the truck horizontal and taking it right at eye level to the hangers both lining up gives the best view, not too close in either.
Are they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\
Expand QuoteAre they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\[close]
The new 44s I measured were an 8.25" axle.
Yeah, this is what I was going to say after looking at those photos. We've all seen the photos in the setup thread where the wheels look all crooked. Can't trust the phone camera distortions. If it was the same angle, distance etc it would be a cleaner comparisonExpand QuoteAre they really getting rid of the 8.38 Ace 44? That's a disappointment. It was an Apple Think Different kind of thing in skateboarding. Now they fell in line :-\[close]
I think they are staying the same, but I haven't seen the new ones yet to know.
That second pic definitely looks different, but camera angles and other things distort the image too. I find holding or sitting the truck horizontal and taking it right at eye level to the hangers both lining up gives the best view, not too close in either.
I think my bar is a little lower than some in this thread. I will be copping a set of the AF1s for the 8.5 axle no matter what. If there is even an attempt at making the axles stronger or less prone to bending, that's a bonus. I don't mind if this generation isn't some sort of scientific truck breakthrough, but it also wouldn't hurt if there was some new baseplate or kingpin tech.Yeah, I’m fine w/ them as they are now, also, as well, too.
Something I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.
AF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.
Expand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
legs like that for a quicker snap/pop with the shortened wb? my biggest thing was the pop angle with back foot placement needing to be further away from the tip of the tail. maybe pair with a steeper deck? less fingers of flat?Expand QuoteSomething I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.[close]
They work well for street skating. But in regards to "how people skate them" I've noticed a lot of ace riders have this interesting sort of stance, and when I rode them, I noticed myself even doing it sometimes. Feet closer together with the knees bent inward some. Watch oski, shin, Ronnie sandoval, villie wester (however you spell it) they all do it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.[close]
Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.
legs like that for a quicker snap/pop with the shortened wb? my biggest thing was the pop angle with back foot placement needing to be further away from the tip of the tail. maybe pair with a steeper deck? less fingers of flat?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSomething I'm curious about with aces is how people skate them. They have more of a demographic of more tranny based and slappy skaters, but I just wanna throw out there the question of who on here is skating aces and doing more street skating? Flatground, ledges, rails etc.? Just genuinely curious.[close]
They work well for street skating. But in regards to "how people skate them" I've noticed a lot of ace riders have this interesting sort of stance, and when I rode them, I noticed myself even doing it sometimes. Feet closer together with the knees bent inward some. Watch oski, shin, Ronnie sandoval, villie wester (however you spell it) they all do it.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.[close]
Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.[close]
They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.[close]
Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.[close]
They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make.[close]
Any idea if 'cast thick' forged plates would be same the same weight maybe? and if more expensive totally not worth it.
Which brings up a good point, assuming these new AF1s might be slightly more $$ than 'classics'
Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1. Maybe these are just the latest iteration of the classics, while the next/new truck is still around the...Expand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.
Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1. Maybe these are just the latest iteration of the classics, while the next/new truck is still around the...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.[close]
I don’t know, homey. I haven’t even seen the advert in real life, only on here. My conjecture is based on publicly available info, as well as a couple rando convos I had with people in position to sniff what was coming down the ol’ flume of effluvia (Ace team dudes I occasionally skate with.)
There’s no reason to take my speculation any more seriously than anybody else’s, and I offer my apology if I came off sounding like an insider with secret knowledge.
Could well be that these new jawns have that Ace “rings logo” pattern under them, or that or that those forged-looking plates we saw were actually just CNCd jobbers to serve as prototypes, or... who knows?
Pretty sure they’d mention a forged plate in the advert, if’n they were gonna run with them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAF1s will also (allegedly) have those forged plates we saw on the ‘gram a while back. Maybe even some hollow axles and/or pins.
Still have no intel on any planned size changes with those, or the classic series.
Personally, I’m only interested in forged plates if they maintain the same height. Def not looking to go lower, as I like my wheels around 54-56 zone, and I hate pitching myself on fakie roll aways due to wheel bite.[close]
Not calling bullshit or anything, but if they were doing that with the new releases, wouldn't any/all of that be highlighted in the new ad copy? Closest is the vague "proprietary" thing with the baseplates. I'd love it if it were true but I ain't holding my breath.[close]
Forged plates are thinner for every truck company, this we know. I can only guess that since the new aces (based just on looks in that ad) are still 'cast size' so if they are saying/sticking with the forged, we're either getting a thick forged plate or some weirdo hybrid cast plate made differently.[close]
They are but that's not a restriction of the process . Forged allows you to have thinner aluminum, so companies - I assume - do it to have a lower size/weight option and save money on materials. The process would allow for 'normal' thickness plates, but you wouldn't be saving weight (unless you went all Venture on underside), and it'd be more expensive to make.[close]
Any idea if 'cast thick' forged plates would be same the same weight maybe? and if more expensive totally not worth it.
Which brings up a good point, assuming these new AF1s might be slightly more $$ than 'classics'
Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1.
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Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1.[close]
I cropped the whole ad down to see all the text, but forgot to put up the two page from Thrasher May 2021 after all that.
(https://i.ibb.co/NnYmPLg/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/prXR836/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prXR836)
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Indeed, but the other thing I didn’t see in the ad copy was any mention of AF1.[close]
I cropped the whole ad down to see all the text, but forgot to put up the two page from Thrasher May 2021 after all that.
(https://i.ibb.co/NnYmPLg/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/prXR836/Ace-trucks-NEW-FULL-2021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/prXR836)
Any one know the new sizing chart?
def cop. been meaning to step down to 8.25 - 8.125 and axle rethreader is a good choice, cant see how it can come off gimmicky.
When they say “Introducing the most technical truck ever made” they mean the most technical truck THEY’ve ever made, right?!?
I mean... I’m a big fan of these these trucks, but absent some weight saving hollowness here & there, as well as forged plates, interlocking bushies, or some other gimmick, they strike me as the same old, stone-axe simple, Ace trucks I know & love.
Where’s all this technical advancement hiding?
Closeup of the AF1 55:
(https://i.imgur.com/GH44q7V.jpg)
Metal and finish look different then the current Version.
i ride a 8.25 with venture 5.6 and an 8.38 with 149s, but i'm trying to consolidate to one set up and i'm thinking about going ACE. would 44s be good for an 8.25 and not stick out? i feel like this question has been answered before but, i was just curious.I would definitely go with 44s. I’ve done it before and if i remember correctly it was totally fine. nice and stable.
Expand Quotedef cop. been meaning to step down to 8.25 - 8.125 and axle rethreader is a good choice, cant see how it can come off gimmicky.[close]
Including a standalone retheader is indeed pretty cool of them. I think people were chirping on the "self rethreading axle nuts," which sounds like another go at the 38 specials they did a few years ago.
Closeup of the AF1 55:
(https://i.imgur.com/GH44q7V.jpg)
Metal and finish look different then the current Version.
I just got home from my local, I didn’t see any 03’s on new catalog. Did they stop making those? Also they have both versions available to order, AF1’s and classics... Can’t wait to see those AF1’s live.
(https://i.ibb.co/2yqhN54/E2-CFA128-4-D89-4-DD6-9-E2-F-5-CE6-E4-FA4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yqhN54)
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?[close]
I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.
(https://i.ibb.co/2yqhN54/E2-CFA128-4-D89-4-DD6-9-E2-F-5-CE6-E4-FA4537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2yqhN54)
Sorry man, I didn’t get any pics 😕 I can ask to see that catalog again next time I’m going there, but I’m sure plenty of people here should have access to it too...Expand QuoteI just got home from my local, I didn’t see any 03’s on new catalog. Did they stop making those? Also they have both versions available to order, AF1’s and classics... Can’t wait to see those AF1’s live.[close]
Anyway you could post a pic of the new AF1 sizes straight out the catalog? Or just make a post with the official new truck sizes? Really curious if theyre putting out an 8.75 truck along with the obvious 8.5 one coming out.
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?[close]
I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.[close]
If you zoom in on the pic, it looks like 9.0 is engraved on the axle
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.
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Looks super good. The 66 AF1s are supposed to be the 8.75", yeah?[close]
I thought so too but that pic makes them looks bigger than I thought, might just be the angle making them look extra wide though.[close]
If you zoom in on the pic, it looks like 9.0 is engraved on the axle[close]
I see it, keen eye! Gnarred. So maybe there still isn't going to be an 8.75"?
I dig how they went back to the Stage 2 hanger design for these AF1's. When they came out with the Stage 3 hanger, they beefed up the "V" and it's never looked quite right to me. Like some weird step closer to a Theeve V3 hanger or something. AF1's bring it back to the more signature "svelt" look.
I just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.Here’s my review after my first session on them:
Here’s my review after my first session on them:Expand QuoteI just replaced my ventures (fuck venture) with Ace 44’s on a FA 8.5. I can tell the board overlaps slightly but am going to roll with it. Not that anyone here needs it but I’ll give a “review” about my experience, switching from Venture to Ace.[close]
I had a change of heart and went with the 55’s. The axle pokes out a smidgen on my 8.5 but is workable.
Took me about 45 minutes of rolling around my park and 30 minutes of doing slappies/skating flat to almost fully break these in.
What I like about these trucks after having ventures for a while:
-Turning is improved, for sure.
-Setting up onto a new board isn’t a painful experience
-I’m finding that my pop feels a little better with the axles positioned closer to the center of my board than the ventures were. I could be completely making up that last part.
-Slightly heavier but I like that
My gripes about this truck are completely subjective: I’m not used to a hanger/axle this wide and am finding I need to force the sides of my truck onto the ledge more-so than I did on my ventures.
Sorry man, I didn’t get any pics 😕 I can ask to see that catalog again next time I’m going there, but I’m sure plenty of people here should have access to it too...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just got home from my local, I didn’t see any 03’s on new catalog. Did they stop making those? Also they have both versions available to order, AF1’s and classics... Can’t wait to see those AF1’s live.[close]
Anyway you could post a pic of the new AF1 sizes straight out the catalog? Or just make a post with the official new truck sizes? Really curious if theyre putting out an 8.75 truck along with the obvious 8.5 one coming out.[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?
Not surprising at all.
I think you'll be stoked on the sizes, Big Dave. Whereas my hope for a certain size might be dashed.
I think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?
Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...
Expand QuoteI think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?
Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...[close]
Prob going to atleast have an 8.5 in the new lineup, those would prob better than the current 44s on an 8.75. But yeah the new 66s look like theyre def gonna be a straight 9.0 axle.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think that could be correct. But still no 8.75" axle?
Guess my 44/55 rotation will have to continue...[close]
Prob going to atleast have an 8.5 in the new lineup, those would prob better than the current 44s on an 8.75. But yeah the new 66s look like theyre def gonna be a straight 9.0 axle.[close]
I'd much rather get a 8.75 Ace than a 8.5, the current 44s are already pretty close to 8.5, while the 0.65" gap between 44s (8.35) and 55s (9.0) is a lot.
Yeah an 8.5" will be welcome for sure. I ride decks between 8.5 popsicles and 9.25 shaped boards and 159s/ 151s are the most versatile trucks for this range and my tastes... but I prefer Ace.
it would be nice to be able to commit to one truck size, as switching up trucks seems to have a more detrimental influence on my consistency than deck and wheel size.
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:
https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)
Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.
(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
ACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:
https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)
Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.
(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
ACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,
Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme[close]
Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.
Expand QuoteSelect shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:
https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)
Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.
(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)[close]
Internet translation:QuoteExpand QuoteACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSelect shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:
https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)
Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.
(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)[close]
Internet translation:QuoteExpand QuoteACE AF1 Trucks, Steel
Axle Width: 9.0",
Truck Width: 6.1",
Truck height: 2,125" (52 mm),
Fits decks: 9.12"-9.62" Steel axle,
Improved Pivot made of urethane - hardness 96A Additional tap for truck axles,
They have universal hole spacing for mounting and fit all decks,
new casting technology increasing truck strength,
On each truck in this series is engraved size,[close][close]
If the 6.1" Hanger width is correct, I'm stoked. That's 155mm and more like a 159/ 151 size. Hanger width is more important anyway. The current 55s hangers are about 6.37" or 162mm for reference.
Perhaps the axles are longer for people to add washers?
Here's the Polish size chart. Amazing that we are learning all this from Poland!
(https://i.imgur.com/vT4zR6X.png)
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:
https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)
Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.
(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme[close]
Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.
any info on height? or interested to hear if a1 adjusts the wheelbase any differently
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme[close]
For what it’s worth, the last set of 33s I had did the whole bushing popping out thing no matter how loose I had them (top and bottoms). To the point where if I didn’t land dead center, they’d pop out and wouldn’t rebound straight leading to me stepping off of a lot of tricks. I had to replace the top and bottom washers with some spare venture washers I had laying around. That instantly fixed it.
Edit* those trucks are offensively tight my man haha let them breathe a little 😀
Select shop out of Poland has the new AF line up on their site:
https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black (https://selectshop.pl/trucki-ace-af1-55-9-0-black)
Seems to confirm nothing between 8.5" and 9", though they list the hangar on the new 9" 66 as a 6.1 (as opposed to the current 55 at 6.37) so maybe it's kind of a hybrid which could be pretty sick.
(https://selectshop.pl/modpub/_rselectshop/product/medium/032021/259897-d14bbf.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme[close]
Holy fuck. What. Goddamn it.[close]
"I've got my shoelaces as tight as I can physically pull them. Why are my feet getting numb? Stupid shoes."
LOL What the fuck with the tightness. ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.
Expand QuoteLOL What the fuck with the tightness. ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.[close]
It's two threads showing. It's not that tight.
Also it's literally day one of skating them. That's why they popped out due to the tightness.
Now they are broken in they work perfect at that tightness.
Two threads isn't that tight. I still have wheelbite mark from 54s.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLOL What the fuck with the tightness. ;D
Btw, I never had my Ace bushings pop out like that.[close]
It's two threads showing. It's not that tight.
Also it's literally day one of skating them. That's why they popped out due to the tightness.
Now they are broken in they work perfect at that tightness.
Two threads isn't that tight. I still have wheelbite mark from 54s.[close]
Ok, seemed much more than that so I'm sorry. I kept them stock tightness and they feel just right.
Im not totally following here. Are the AF1 66s actually a smaller 9" truck than the current 55s due to hanger width vs axle width? Therefore, a little less stable than the classic 55s?
According to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.
Expand QuoteIm not totally following here. Are the AF1 66s actually a smaller 9" truck than the current 55s due to hanger width vs axle width? Therefore, a little less stable than the classic 55s?[close]
It is a funny one, but made harder right now, given the fact that shops are supposed to keep things under wraps until the official release, but I think it would be safe to say that until they come out and people can measure them or directly compare the classic line to the AF1, it is a little difficult to give a very accurate measurement comparison.
As already stated by others, both the classic 55 and the AF1 66 are said to have a 9" axle, so make of that what you will. There might be some ever so slight difference in hanger length, but even basic human measurements can often be out by a mm or two, which can easily be changed with an extra washer or two on the inside to bring the wheels out an extra 4mm in total, even more if the axles are longer.
Not so long now, then I guess all will be revealed and people can check and choose which one works best for them.
Expand QuoteAccording to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.[close]
I know this is gonna make a lot of you happy but for me, this is some bullshit.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAccording to the Poles, yes. But I won't believe anything until I have a set in hand with my tape measure. Personally, I really hope the 66s are indeed more of a 151/159 size.[close]
I know this is gonna make a lot of you happy but for me, this is some bullshit.[close]
In an ideal world there would have been an 8.75" axle with a 155 hanger and a 9" axle with a 162 hanger.
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme[close]
For what it’s worth, the last set of 33s I had did the whole bushing popping out thing no matter how loose I had them (top and bottoms). To the point where if I didn’t land dead center, they’d pop out and wouldn’t rebound straight leading to me stepping off of a lot of tricks. I had to replace the top and bottom washers with some spare venture washers I had laying around. That instantly fixed it.
Edit* those trucks are offensively tight my man haha let them breathe a little 😀[close]
the bushing pop out is super annoying, and it happens to everyone at first
try to push it back in with a house key
and if it doesn't work, take note of where your thread is at
and take that shit off and reset it.
the key is to skate them for about 2 weeks. they'll stop doing it.
I was going to buy the AF1 on that Polish website, but damn they are expensive !! I bought some 6" Film trucks instead, best trucks you can find right now
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
I love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.
I am just waiting to the official word from Ace themselves.
Another euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle
(https://i.ibb.co/qJPCngT/445-A47-E8-C5-BB-45-A7-99-FD-40-CA5-C67503-E.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?
Expand QuoteI love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.[close]
Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.
Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.
Expand QuoteAnother euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle[close]
Watching this company in action is like watching an old slapstick movie where a character is simultaneously trying to clean up a mess while making an even bigger mess in the act of trying to clean up the first mess.
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Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I think thats from the fact you have your trucks tightened all the way down not the trucks themselves. Def would recomend skating them stock looseness before tightening them down to such an extreme
Ok ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?
Thanks in advance and shalom
Awesome, thanks for the tip! I'm comfortable on anything from super loose to medium, just don't like them too tight, so I should be able to handle that. Seems i can only get 55 high in NZ atm but i heard they're getting restocked soon. Looking forward to trying them.Expand QuoteOk ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?
Thanks in advance and shalom[close]
Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.
I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.
Awesome, thanks for the tip! I'm comfortable on anything from super loose to medium, just don't like them too tight, so I should be able to handle that. Seems i can only get 55 high in NZ atm but i heard they're getting restocked soon. Looking forward to trying them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOk ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?
Thanks in advance and shalom[close]
Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.
I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.[close]
where are yall finding all this info on the new Aces? any word on when theyre coming out? im due for a new pair soon
Expand Quotewhere are yall finding all this info on the new Aces? any word on when theyre coming out? im due for a new pair soon[close]
A Polish webshop had them up early, so pretty much all the speculation was coming from that. They got taken down though. Apparently the first big batch is sitting on a ship waiting to dock, so probably as soon as that happens they'll be up.
I did this on my latest pair of 44’s and can comfirm it works, highly recommended.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I know this is late and your prob good now but switching the top washer to a Bones one solved that issue immediately and made them turn even better. But with the kingpin nut flush
Identity posted the AF1, they’re a US shop. Maybe they are closer to roll out now.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CND2eDfp6zx/?igshid=1vo23o5hr7qkg
What’s everyone’s guess on the price of A1?
Another euro site had them on their site yesterday, but looks like it got taken down. They had the sizing as: 33- 8.0 axle, 44- 8.25 Axle, 55 - 8.5 axle, 66- 9.0 axle
(https://i.ibb.co/qJPCngT/445-A47-E8-C5-BB-45-A7-99-FD-40-CA5-C67503-E.jpg)
ARE YOU TELLING ME THEY STILL ARE NOT MAKING AN 8.75 TRUCK HOLY SHIT ACE THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT THEY WERE MAKING AN 8.75 TRUCK DAMMIT WHAT ARE THEY THINKING. Anyways 8.75 ace is the only truck ill ever need and ive been saying that as long as these have been rumored but looks like no luck cause they are idiots and ill still be skating the 9 inch trucks which are a tad bigger than i want
How do the real wooden universal risers fit on the Ace baseplates? Any overlap?
right. Have plenty of Indy risers and using them currently. Specifically asking about real wooden risers. They did make 3 versions, hence my question about the universal versionExpand QuoteHow do the real wooden universal risers fit on the Ace baseplates? Any overlap?[close]
Idk, I think they made a couple different ones. Could probably sand them. I just get the indy rubber ones and cut the extra
right. Have plenty of Indy risers and using them currently. Specifically asking about real wooden risers. They did make 3 versions, hence my question about the universal versionExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHow do the real wooden universal risers fit on the Ace baseplates? Any overlap?[close]
Idk, I think they made a couple different ones. Could probably sand them. I just get the indy rubber ones and cut the extra[close]
I started using Bones risers with my Ace's and they fit like 99.4235% flush with the baseplate on all sides. Just have to tap it with your fingernail and get it perfectly lined up before you tighten the bolts all the way down. Of all the risers I've tried these seem to be the best option until Ace comes out with some Riser Force 1's.
Bones risers are hard. I personally think risers work best when hard.
As for the 3 ply Wood universal Real Risers, they stick out a couple of mm at the front of the baseplate on Aces. However, this does not seem to effect nose or tail slides as far as I have noticed as mine are still intact. Would be easy enough to sand down if they get a little torn up.
Bones risers are hard. I personally think risers work best when hard.thats a bit of a bummer. Maybe they matchup with indy flush
As for the 3 ply Wood universal Real Risers, they stick out a couple of mm at the front of the baseplate on Aces. However, this does not seem to effect nose or tail slides as far as I have noticed as mine are still intact. Would be easy enough to sand down if they get a little torn up.
Just requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?
Expand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.[close]
Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.
Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.[close]
What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???
Expand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.[close]
Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones
I did this on my latest pair of 44’s and can comfirm it works, highly recommended.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/3M8gZB2/IMG-20210325-165852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWxnXgm)
Got some 44s. Really like them so far.
But what's with the bushings poping out ?[close]
I know this is late and your prob good now but switching the top washer to a Bones one solved that issue immediately and made them turn even better. But with the kingpin nut flush
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.[close]
Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.
Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.[close]
What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???[close]
None of us know how the new Aces perform. It could be for better or for worse. Those that don't like how the new Aces perform can still stick with the old ones without worrying about running out of stock.
Same reason why people still skate older stages of Indys.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI love ace and only skate their trucks but like this whole truck sizing thing is a mess. Having two lines of trucks out from one brand seems so confusing and redundant. I dont see why they couldnt of just scrapped the classic line and than made the new af1s in all the previous sizes while introducing an 8.5 truck as a 49 and an 8.75 as a 51. The fact that the classic 44s are going to have the same hanger width as the new 55s is pretty ridiculous, and that the new 9' 66s have a smaller hanger than the classic 55s. Wouldve been so much smarter to just introduce an 8.5 and an 8.75 truck not a complete weird rework of all the pre existing stuff.[close]
Because then you'll have people pissed that they've scrapped the classic line.
Honestly this is the best way they could've pulled this off. Keep the classics for those that don't want to change, and introduce the AF1 for those that want to try something new.[close]
What would people be pissed off about if they scrapped the classic line but still reused the same sizing? The change in font for the numbers???[close]
None of us know how the new Aces perform. It could be for better or for worse. Those that don't like how the new Aces perform can still stick with the old ones without worrying about running out of stock.
Same reason why people still skate older stages of Indys.[close]
The new trucks use the exact same geometry.
It says it at the top of the fucking advertisement for the AF1s.
It was stupid of ace to make two different lines of trucks. Literally no point in having two lines of trucks with different axle and hanger lenghts that use the same numbering system. Just going to confuse everybody who wants them.
For those that wanted to know, here are the 3ply Real Risers on an Ace.i asked. Thanks @Frank and Fred, always helpful
(https://i.imgur.com/omyn85t.jpg)
Expand QuoteAwesome, thanks for the tip! I'm comfortable on anything from super loose to medium, just don't like them too tight, so I should be able to handle that. Seems i can only get 55 high in NZ atm but i heard they're getting restocked soon. Looking forward to trying them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOk ok ok you've all got me feeling like I should try these out. My favourite trucks I've had in recent years were some indy 159 forged titaniums. If i want something similar, what aces should I go for?
Thanks in advance and shalom[close]
Get the 55s, run them the way you bought them for like two-three weeks, don’t fuck with anything. They’re not going to be jiggly loose or anything, but once those bushings break in you can adjust them to the desired looseness, or tightness if you feel the need.
I was hella loyal to indys for as long as I’ve skated, until I got my first pair of aces and never looked back.[close][close]
Happy to help my dude!
They come mediumish but for sure skateable. And only use ace bushings and pivot cups or it will fuck with the geometry. They were designed to be skated loose, I run mine super jiggly loose and didn’t cut my bushings or remove washers, because that will also fuck with the geometry, but I didn’t need to, which is super nice.
I’m stoked for you dude, you’re in for such a treat!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.[close]
Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones[close]
You dont have to.
Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.[close]
Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones[close]
You dont have to.
Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.[close]
Thank God.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.[close]
Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones[close]
You dont have to.
Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.[close]
Thank God.[close]
I know we aren't madness shaming on in the gear section, come on were better than this.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.[close]
Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones[close]
You dont have to.
Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.[close]
Thank God.[close]
I know we aren't madness shaming on in the gear section, come on were better than this.[close]
Permission to sig, sir?
Edit: Plusskateboarding on Insta has the AF1 spec sheet in their stories, says they'll be available next week.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust requested some lil jawns custom solid block risers. Aint cheap, but the OCD in me wont let me ride bones (I dont ride Bones bearings or wheels) or Indy (theyre fucking Ace trucks!)
Im a little sketched that the AF1 baseplates might be slightly different...maybe I dont need to be concerned about that?[close]
They're risers dude. Holy fuck.[close]
Yeah I don’t get this. Lil jawns sells their risers for $15-20, too. Such a ripoff. They’re rails are rad, though. I got some parking block shaped ones[close]
You dont have to.
Not your risers.
Not your money.
Not your madness.[close]
Thank God.[close]
I know we aren't madness shaming on in the gear section, come on were better than this.[close]
Permission to sig, sir?
Edit: Plusskateboarding on Insta has the AF1 spec sheet in their stories, says they'll be available next week.[close]
Granted!
And I got you on the spec sheet
(https://i.imgur.com/sePeIuP.png)
No info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.
Expand QuoteNo info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.[close]
Bruh....
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNo info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.[close]
Bruh....[close]
you know it.
axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.
Honestly cant believe im saying this but I think im better off with just sticking with the current 44s lol
To the pals that ride classic 44s if y’all plan on trying the AF1s what size are you thinking? I usually skate 8.38-8.5 and I’ve not had to think of what size to do since I got aces. I’m leaking to the 55af1s
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNo info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.[close]
Bruh....[close]
you know it.
axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.[close]
lol I will not freak out. I will definitely be buying one pair of 66s immediately.
Expand QuoteHonestly cant believe im saying this but I think im better off with just sticking with the current 44s lol[close]
If they're not bending or breaking on you and you don't mind the axle size, nope, no reason. Now the 8.5" crowd is probably the happiest.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNo info on hanger sizes? That's the measurement that matters.[close]
Bruh....[close]
you know it.
axle width has very little influence on performance. i'm curious if the AF1 9"ers will have a shorter hanger so I can watch BigDave freak out some more.[close]
lol I will not freak out. I will definitely be buying one pair of 66s immediately.[close]
Me too.
I'll likely sample both the Af1 55s and 66s. My goal is to stick to one truck size though, so hope I can make the 66s work. I typically skate boards between 8.5 popsicles and 9.25" shapes.
No way they are keeping the old classic line
Like there is so little changed here... What's the point in having two near identical products... That follow two completely different size charts.
Will the new baseplate design shave off any weight? Just curious bc that would be the only positive of the new graphic design on the bottom
For anyone curious about the axle material:
https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html
Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.
I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic" instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.I wrote a week or so ago that the website changed the classics to 53mm tall. Randomly. Did the baseplate change too then?
Can i get a general consensus of what size trucks, 8.5 Riders who are getting AF1s are looking at?
I usually ride 8.75 trucks on 8.5 decks so the 55 is looking good, but should I get the new 44?
Expand QuoteFor anyone curious about the axle material:
https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html
Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.[close]
It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor anyone curious about the axle material:
https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html
Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.[close]
It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.[close]
If that's the case, still plenty of bending potential. So basically, we got new sizes and marginal differences in terms of strength/performance. I'll just wait till I hit axle on my "classic" 44's, not rushing to buy these.
Lol, upgraded aesthetics with baseplate logos you will never see again...guess there ran out of things to hype.
So all I'm getting is a stronger truck due to better materials and better cups/bushings and standard industry sizes. I'll still try a pair because ACE...
Will the new baseplate design shave off any weight? Just curious bc that would be the only positive of the new graphic design on the bottom
No way they are keeping the old classic line
Like there is so little changed here... What's the point in having two near identical products... That follow two completely different size charts.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor anyone curious about the axle material:
https://www.jfs-steel.com/en/product/SCM440.html
Looks equivalent to 4140? Krux advertised their new trucks with the "SCM440" axles.[close]
It's literally the same thing. Just the Asian market name for 4140. I'm guessing it's to seem different in ad copy. Same with the weirdly nondescript info about the alloy used. They say T6 in reference to the baseplates, soooo I'm guessing is 6061. Which is good stuff, so why not say it (cause Indy uses it for their forged plates?)? I get the wanting to set themselves apart thing, which is admirable. But I think the bar they have to cross is "as good as DLX/NHS, we promise" before I start believing any of that other fluff.[close]
If that's the case, still plenty of bending potential. So basically, we got new sizes and marginal differences in terms of strength/performance. I'll just wait till I hit axle on my "classic" 44's, not rushing to buy these.
Logos isn't possessive here but it is plural. Been paid to edit but shit slips by and sometimes it's a conversation. Who knows I could be wrong too?Expand QuoteLol, upgraded aesthetics with baseplate logos you will never see again...guess there ran out of things to hype.
So all I'm getting is a stronger truck due to better materials and better cups/bushings and standard industry sizes. I'll still try a pair because ACE...[close]
*logo’s
I wish I could get hired as the skate industry’s proofreader
I took my hanger width question to the DMs (god, I feel manly after that). The response was, "Check our story." And I did... nothing about hanger width just axle width. So I smoked a doobie like Joey T and now I'm patiently setting aside $50 for a pair of 66s... whatever...
Posted on ace's story regarding af1s.
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Haven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!” That would build up to the release better.
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic
Posted on ace's story regarding af1s.
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic[close]
Take a look at the AF1 column name
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic[close]
Take a look at the AF1 column name[close]
Totally went over my head...
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic[close]
Take a look at the AF1 column name[close]
Totally went over my head...[close]
Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic[close]
Take a look at the AF1 column name[close]
Totally went over my head...[close]
Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?[close]
As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"
"Our die hard base will get the bit"
Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"
Expand QuoteHaven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!” That would build up to the release better.[close]
Well not only that, but some US shops are saying "coming next week!" meanwhile Canadian shops seem to be all saying 4/16. Joey is in Jamaica eating coconut and making music whilst consuming copious amounts of The Devils Lettuce. Shrewgy is making april fools memes at red lights while on a bike ride. Pulsifer is plotting the return of Project in between personal trainer sessions as he prepares to deliver a 14 minute curb part for Thrasher. No one is in charge here. I love it.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHaven’t really been a fan of this rollout. Too much unknown, waiting for shops to post screenshots and sharing in IG story(?), overseas selling early accidentally, now April fools jokes. Just seems fumbled. Nothing wrong with making an official announcement and say “coming April 16th!” That would build up to the release better.[close]
Well not only that, but some US shops are saying "coming next week!" meanwhile Canadian shops seem to be all saying 4/16. Joey is in Jamaica eating coconut and making music whilst consuming copious amounts of The Devils Lettuce. Shrewgy is making april fools memes at red lights while on a bike ride. Pulsifer is plotting the return of Project in between personal trainer sessions as he prepares to deliver a 14 minute curb part for Thrasher. No one is in charge here. I love it.[close]
Haha. It's kind of perfect. Look how sucked in we are.
Anyway, I'm currently getting rid of my old Aces and setting up a board or two to donate to a non-profit. Not b/c I care about under-privileged youth and their skateboardig needs, you understand, but because I need an excuse to try some AF1s.
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic[close]
Take a look at the AF1 column name[close]
Totally went over my head...[close]
Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?[close]
As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"
"Our die hard base will get the bit"
Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"
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is it just me or does this size chart make zero sense/is way off from the sizes theyre stating on the other pic[close]
Take a look at the AF1 column name[close]
Totally went over my head...[close]
Its ok dude. It's even worse on IG where people are thinking the entire AF1 release is an April Fools joke...guess they dont sub to thrasher?[close]
As someone already mentioned the whole rollout has been a joke. "Lets build the hype by just saying were releasing a new product and be as secretive as possible about the details. Up to and including the release dates"
"Our die hard base will get the bit"
Just so much as a company that could have been better here, feels a lot like the saw the exodus from a lot of Indy riders/fans and just went "Where else they gonna go"
Agreed @Xen - should’ve been a size 47 between the 44 and 50 with 8.75”-ish axle width and then just added the 77 at the top end.
These brand new 55 classics sitting on my desk right now, staring at me longingly, begging to be strapped to my new Transportation Unit pelican. Im ignoring their pleas in favor of that new 66, hanger shortening be damned.Is the smaller hanger confirmed? I haven't seen that anywhere besides unconfirmed speculation here
Is the smaller hanger confirmed? I haven't seen that anywhere besides unconfirmed speculation hereExpand QuoteThese brand new 55 classics sitting on my desk right now, staring at me longingly, begging to be strapped to my new Transportation Unit pelican. Im ignoring their pleas in favor of that new 66, hanger shortening be damned.[close]
To the pals that ride classic 44s if y’all plan on trying the AF1s what size are you thinking? I usually skate 8.38-8.5 and I’ve not had to think of what size to do since I got aces. I’m leaning to the 55af1s
Honestly a brand just selling a truck model using the goddam axle size would be a novelty at this point.
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.so they didn't fix the pivot cup issue?!
https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic" instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.and they're now 1mm taller?
so they didn't fix the pivot cup issue?!Expand QuoteThe release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.
https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)[close]
AAAAHHHHHHH
Where did you buy them? Did you skate Ace’s before those, and notice any difference in the turn/grind? How soft did the stock bushings feel?
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.
https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
Expand QuoteThe release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.
https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)[close]
Might be a long shot, but do you recall if they felt heavier than a set of Indy's?
Do classic 44's work better on 8.25 or 8.38 decks? Has anyone tested properly?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.
https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)[close]
Might be a long shot, but do you recall if they felt heavier than a set of Indy's?[close]
Didn't feel any different. Just weighed them for you and they are essentially the same weight, 13.7 (Indy) vs 13.5 (Ace) ounces.
Held some Af1 44s today and they definitely felt heavier than Classic 44s. A lot of meat on the hanger. These things should last a lot longer.Also held some. They feel really dense. Shop guy said they’re vibrating them? Getting the air out of the pour? Whatever.
I think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic" instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.
Expand QuoteI think there might be a height diffrence in the af1's vs the classics. Hopped on aces website and was looking at the 44s and the height now reads "Truck height: 2.1" (53mm) Classic" instead of the normal 52mm height. Also note the edition of the word Classic, guess there will really be two lines of trucks out at once.[close]
In my opinion they have always been at 53mm. Bought a set last year in Germany and they sit clearly at 53mm. Ben Degros confirmed that in his reviews. I dont know, but most of the brands and skateshops dont know the specs of their stuff. (I dont critizise that too much, because for the rest of the world it doesnt matter much and because i am bad in english. Sorry for that)
• Truck height: 2.125" (52mm) Classicsource: https://web.archive.org/web/20201111205245/https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-trucks-44-polished
Honestly a brand just selling a truck model using the goddam axle size would be a novelty at this point.
Anyone seen any pre-order availability?
Expand QuoteAnyone seen any pre-order availability?[close]
I asked Orchard and my local if I could preorder some 55's. No dice!
Not meant to be disrespectful at all! I fucking love Orchard.
Held some Af1 44s today and they definitely felt heavier than Classic 44s. A lot of meat on the hanger. These things should last a lot longer.
ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.
ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.
ACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.
I think they were responding to the call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.
Expand QuoteACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.[close]
I think they were responding to the call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteACE responding to the markets dire need for yet a heavier truck is right up there with indys response to all those skaters clamouring for more.....mid.[close]
I think they were responding to the call for a stronger more durable truck and some different sizes. Not going down the hollow, titanium route is a good thing in my opinion. Could be wrong, but I sense a lot of Ace devotees don't care about weight as much. I certainly don't but maybe I'll eat these words when I finally mount some new 66s.[close]
The problem is that instead of using engineering to create a stronger truck, they just keep adding material. They could hollow out the underside of the hangar, use some material to support the hangar to pivot transition and have a lighter, stronger truck.
Clearly using a 30 year old hanger design to meet the needs of modern skating isn’t working. Add all the aluminum you want, it’s not going to work.
It’s like they want to build a more structurally stable house and instead of focusing on sturdy framing, they just keep piling wood on the roof
I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.
Expand QuoteI am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.[close]
And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.
Expand QuoteI am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.[close]
And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.
Well the bend is for a reason. It’s more meat where you wear out first. It also helps with locking into grinds. Think of a reverse Gullwing trucks that come with that pre-groove so you kick in better.It's okay if the hanger has a taper towards the edge, but he's talking about the axles bending - two different things.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.[close]
And the better spec'd manufacturing process is welcome thing for sure. But the flaw, if you wanna call it that, is the design itself - round rod vs u-channel/beam construction. The Ace hanger is essentially a 45 year old design. They could add 1/2" more meat onto that hanger design, it's not going make it stronger. The big construction issue with durability wasn't that they ground down fast (people liked the soft grind), it's that the hangers straight up bent.[close]
I personally did not like the soft grind and know plenty of others who were put off by that but I still preferred them to other trucks mainly due to the turn.
Either way, Joey T and Shrewgy played roles in the design of various stages of Indy, Thunder and Venture. I'll let the AF1s speak for themselves at this point.
I am by no means an expert but from what I understand it is more than just adding material to the hanger. It is a different manufacturing process with different grades of metals. Anyway, options, you want light you got a lot of options. You want a good turn and don't care about weight, you got Ace.
The release of the AF1 explains a lot about these mystery Ace 55's that I got back in November. I assumed they were knockoffs with a different baseplate and incorrectly stamped 44's. Any questions, ask away.So for the fuck of it, since the hanger width question is still eating at me, I measured an Indy 149 hangar and got 5 7/8" which is what the poster seems to be at with the Mercari AF1s. I'm guessing the 44s and 55s will have different hangar widths but anybody wanna measure some classic 44s and report back?
https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k (https://imgur.com/gallery/kqUK50k)
Interesting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.
Expand QuoteInteresting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.[close]
My 44s came in at 393g on my scale. Standard 144s are 387g. Aces are heavier than even standard Indy, at least in that size. That's grim.
😂 grim indeed.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteInteresting, the original 44's clocked in around 380g, close to a set of Indy 149 standards. The new 55 with the extra axle length and hanger meat might put the weight in Stage VII territory. I'll wait until we get a true nerd out with the scale once these are in a pal's hands.[close]
My 44s came in at 393g on my scale. Standard 144s are 387g. Aces are heavier than even standard Indy, at least in that size. That's grim.[close]
The coffee needed for an espresso shot is around 18g.
I just weighed an individual packet of tapatio hot sauce, it was 8g.
You're talking 6g.
yeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.
Expand Quoteyeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.[close]
I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteyeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.[close]
I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.[close]
The silver tool is the goat.
Expand Quoteyeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.[close]
I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.
Just had a thought, does anyone think these AF1 with the harder materials will take away that "dead" sound?
Also, Youtube vids with AF1 marketing rolling out
Skatetool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr9yXBfioWM
Rethreader dies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbPxrpeWqkA
I have some 55’s that are still completely fine, but if these A1 are $60/65+ I’ll prob wait and see how the reviews/feedback go. Don’t think I need to jump.Same here. I find 55's to be just fine with
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?
(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)
I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?
(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)
I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?
(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)
I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.
Indy is getting a taste of its own medicine a little bit. When they arrived on the scene they blew up. Wasn't like that for Ace but now they've gotten to the point of really gaining traction and coming in hot. People are switching to Ace left and right.
Indy taking shots at Ace/the AF1 tool?Hearing about all the hang ups with Indy mid kingpins on smith grinds, I would take needing to rethread one time every year or so over using indy mids.
(https://i.imgur.com/AA7h3Fn.jpg)
I don't generally mess with my bushings with Ace, but the ida of the kingpin rethreader is cool to me.
They've finally committed to the release
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNcrPmgsdKW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
And they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these
And they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these
Expand QuoteAnd they still haven’t committed to telling anyone what changed or why we should want these[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/pbYxsVn.jpg)
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding processif they went from sand casting to a traditional mold it could improve texture and consistency though.
Sounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process
Gimme some 66s and 77s now!
Expand QuoteSounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process[close]
Why does it sound like bullshit that they switched to a better alloy and heat treatment process? They've always used 7071, other brands use 6061, other uses 356.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSounds like absolute bullshit, there is not a viable alloy for a mass produced skate product that makes sense from a cost standpoint or is any stronger. Cast is cast for the most part unless they changed their entire foundry, but I don't know what method would alter the bonding process[close]
Why does it sound like bullshit that they switched to a better alloy and heat treatment process? They've always used 7071, other brands use 6061, other uses 356.[close]
Just brining this one up from earlier, no idea where Ace got the "7071" thing. 7075 is the type of aluminum they designate as aircraft grade. Never heard of or seen 7071 anywhere other than in Ace ad copy. And 356/6061 is basically the same (I think 356 is the casting grade code for 6061). The new ad says T6 on the baseplate stuff, that usually refers to 6061-T6. Which is good shit, especially for skate trucks. Harder aluminum (like real 7075) doesn't mean it'd be better for skate purposes, it's really hard (for aluminum) and I imagine would grind weird.
All I keep seeing is...."After 15 years, we're finally using materials and manufacturing on par with our competitors" ... "oh and here's some new axle nuts, again!"
I'm still going to get a pair of the new 55s
Expand QuoteAll I keep seeing is...."After 15 years, we're finally using materials and manufacturing on par with our competitors" ... "oh and here's some new axle nuts, again!"
I'm still going to get a pair of the new 55s[close]
Confused as to why this is being framed as some sort of letdown? Take the best turning trucks, make them as good as anyone on process and materials.....is good?
Probably gonna cop the af1 55s at some point but the more I see of them the more I don’t believe anything changed aside from sizes. So nothing substantial changed. What’s the weight and Wheel base offset? All this is is adding a few sizes and giving a die to rethread. It’s like if someone shows you a magic trick and the more they show it to you the more you realize they are just palming the coin with their other hand.Don't know anything about the weight change but the wheelbase offset will be +2.75" since they're keeping the same geometry
Don’t get me wrong. I love the aces I’m on. But it is what it is.
I'm heaving a sigh as I realize I probably won't be able to stop myself from getting some AF1 44s in spite of the fact that I have an unskated pair of 44s on ice, am not convinced there have been any meaningful improvements with the redesign, and am also extremely irritated that they're no longer 8.38" axles.
Expand QuoteI'm heaving a sigh as I realize I probably won't be able to stop myself from getting some AF1 44s in spite of the fact that I have an unskated pair of 44s on ice, am not convinced there have been any meaningful improvements with the redesign, and am also extremely irritated that they're no longer 8.38" axles.[close]
In the exact same boat with 55s, just gonna buy the AF1s and drop off the Classics at my local
Pulsifer chimes in on the construction changes.
(https://www.flickr.com/gp/70842432@N08/s3ckSM)
(https://i.ibb.co/VS5GCfB/16-AECBF7-B89-C-4-EC2-BF56-88148-D76-D576.png) (https://ibb.co/VS5GCfB)
Expand QuotePulsifer chimes in on the construction changes.
(https://www.flickr.com/gp/70842432@N08/s3ckSM)
(https://i.ibb.co/VS5GCfB/16-AECBF7-B89-C-4-EC2-BF56-88148-D76-D576.png) (https://ibb.co/VS5GCfB)[close]
Interesting. So that's the Paris truck guy correct? I mean, I know somewhere south of jack and shit about longboard trucks, but I do know those downhill folks are serious about their gear (aka, so they don't die).
Expand Quoteyeah, i'm sold on the tool alone. my t-tools threads are slowly rounding out after 15 years or so. thought about getting a new, full metal one. this one is easy to pack away and adding the rethreaders is great imo, even if i probably won't use them a lot. but it's something you never have with you when you need it, and this is the best idea or format for one yet without making the tool too unwieldy to put into your pocket.[close]
I have one of these all-in-one slim tools like that one and it sucks. The pieces fall out and dont stay together and when it's assembled, it feels flimsy. The driver pops out a lot. I am hopeful this one is made by someone else and is better quality.
Noticed a few ppl complaining about the classic 44’s being an 8.38 axle - they’re actually 8.35 which is why the wheels don’t sit perfectly flush on an 8.38 deck.
Nothing wrong with the classic trucks so it’s all marketing to make more money at this point ;)
I did the opposite. I just put in an order for the newWhere did you order from?8.5s9s in black.
I did the opposite. I just put in an order for the newprice?8.5s9s in black.
price?Expand QuoteI did the opposite. I just put in an order for the new8.5s9s in black.[close]
Indy titanium prices..
Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?
Expand QuoteIndy titanium prices..
Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?[close]
Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.
"Coming Soon"
http://www.a51.ca/skateshop/shop/category/ace/
(http://www.a51.ca/skateshop/published/publicdata/A51CAA51WEBASYST/attachments/SC/products_pictures/af1-gold7y.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIndy titanium prices..
Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?[close]
Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.[close]
I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them. According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck. Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIndy titanium prices..
Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?[close]
Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.[close]
I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them. According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck. Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.[close]
That's how much basically every truck with forged plates and hollow kingpins & axles go for, so I'm really a bit perplexed at this point.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIndy titanium prices..
Think that’ll steer a good amount of people away. That could be conversation rates or no?[close]
Conversation rates and shipping. Regular Aces are about $9 less.[close]
I called a shop yesterday that had teased their release to ask about them. According to the kid working the shop, they were going for $30 per truck. Not sure if that's accurate, but I'll try a pair for $60.[close]
That's how much basically every truck with forged plates and hollow kingpins & axles go for, so I'm really a bit perplexed at this point.[close]
Very true! I'm curious if there's actually anything to the "proprietary casting technique", or whatever was mentioned before. Definitely seem steep, but I can directly compare them to my v2 44's I have on my cruiser. Currently quarantining for 14 days, so if I can get them this week, I should be able to break them in and report back.
and also, 66euros? On that website that's like 10 bucks more than Normal Indys, Venture V-lights or Thunder Lights (hollow kingpin + forged baseplate). They are reaching with that price if you ask me. When I first got Ace's they were like 50 to 55Euros a set. I guess the hype is getting a bit to their heads.
does anyone have a screenshot of bail gun gary 's Ace 77s on instagram?
Thats cap or else they would've gave us a hollow truck and a 8.75 model but I will let them slide just this once...
Look, they probably did read/hear what people were saying. They just decided to ignore it.
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...
https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...
https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)
Expand QuoteIn a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...
https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)[close]
$23 for the tool https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-collapsible-skate-tool, kinda steep
In a US shop for $65/ pair. Size guide also posted but still no hanger sizes listed anywhere but the Polish site...
https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks (https://aptskateshop.com/products/ace-af1-polished-trucks)
Well that same shop is selling the classics for $55 which you can get elsewhere for $40. So I’m guessing the AF1s will be $50 to $65 depending where you go.This shop isn’t far from me but, I also want to wait for another shop to get them.
just thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.
A good portion of comments have been confusion. Any press is good press? To me, it's been a frustrating roll out with misinformation. I'm not all that eager to jump and try a pair day 1 due to it. "captialize on the hype" haha. to me the hype died off a bit!
Does anyone have experience with tight Ace trucks on big shit? I have an opportunity to hit a mini mega size foam pit and soft flybox and I'm wondering whether the bushings will blow out if cranked and if the axles will bend with big impacts.If a foam pit can bend axles, that's some serious quality issues. haha
Throw some hard duro bushings in there for the session and then you can either have them flush or a little thread showing, depending on your weight.Expand QuoteIf a foam pit can bend axles, that's some serious quality issues. hahaExpand QuoteDoes anyone have experience with tight Ace trucks on big shit? I have an opportunity to hit a mini mega size foam pit and soft flybox and I'm wondering whether the bushings will blow out if cranked and if the axles will bend with big impacts.[close][close]
I meant the flybox. Impacts that will snap a deck immediately if your foot is placed wrong. As for the foam, I want to crank the bushings, because it's very uncomfortable and unstable with loose trucks. Cranking Aces seems pretty blasphemous, I'm wondering how they will hold up.
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)
This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy
***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd
Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)
Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)
This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy
***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd
Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)
Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)
(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)
This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy
***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd
Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)
Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)
Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/tsLvQW3/58-A8725-C-CF18-4-DD0-ACF0-36275-C8709-D8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsLvQW3)
This might fuck some of you guys up but I think they extend the WB 1/8th inch per truck so maybe 1/4in total.
I’m guessing it’s a more similar WB to Indy
***update
Can confirm the Indy/ace wb. I wonder if they did that to “strengthen” the truck up. Hince the “new pivot cups”
Also waiting on confirm that price is $65usd
Indy hollow standard baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/R7fnLbS/43963903-35-A0-41-C4-BD61-65-AE50-D6-FBD5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R7fnLbS)
Indy forged hollow
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z2mK4G/6-E1-D7-CE6-4-A7-B-4-D46-BCB2-733-C324-F9-DCA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Z2mK4G)[close]
Measuring the WB that way only works if the baseplates are exactly the same dimensions - Ace and Indy aint. And AF1's may even be different length from the Classics. You gotta mount them up on the same deck and measure each side, middle of axle to middle of axle. Especially if you're talking 1/4" difference.
Let's see those AF1's lined up next to some classics. If the wheelbase is extended there is zero reason to buy these trucks since they'll turn like Indy (shit).
Expand QuoteLet's see those AF1's lined up next to some classics. If the wheelbase is extended there is zero reason to buy these trucks since they'll turn like Indy (shit).[close]
Click that first photo. That is the regular ACE’s next to some AF1’s
I’ve had four sets of ace classics, on three of them the kingpin came loose. On the fourth I put a krux dlk in them and that was cool but the baseplate didn’t hold the nut which is annoying.
Am I the only one that thinks aces have the worst kingpin clearance in the game? The kingpins seems excessively long, I’ve had to dremel them shorter on mine and a few of my friends.
I’ve had four sets of ace classics, on three of them the kingpin came loose. On the fourth I put a krux dlk in them and that was cool but the baseplate didn’t hold the nut which is annoying.
Why would I get these new ace trucks? There’s no hollow option like every other truck brand, theres no hexnut holder in the baseplate like an Indymid or a krux, even though they clearly made a new baseplate mood.
It looks like another press fit kingpin that’s just going to come loose again.
They made the wheelbase longer and the trucks in total are going to cost most because of an axle rethreader.
Am I the only one that thinks aces have the worst kingpin clearance in the game? The kingpins seems excessively long, I’ve had to dremel them shorter on mine and a few of my friends.
Generally, I'd say chill on the wheelbase fret. Those pics tell you jack shit about what the actual wheelbase will be on a board. Maybe the baseplates got some extra meat behind the bolts, maybe the bushings are sitting crooked in one set and not the other, or whatever else. Wait til some pal's get their mitts on them shits and do their thing with getting the actual dimensions for everybody ... I guess "capitalizing on hype" is preventing us from knowing the details before then ...whatever.
ok how
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
Expand QuoteI love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.[close]
Reeks of a planned assault by a threatened truck manu. So glad I have nothing to do with the skate industry.
Expand QuoteI love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.[close]
Reeks of a planned assault by a threatened truck manu. So glad I have nothing to do with the skate industry.
I love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.
People take trucks very seriously. This is the way.Expand QuoteI love these burner accounts that made accounts and came to this thread to shit on a truck none of us have skated yet. It's the best.[close]
You guys are really welcoming to newcomers...
Boy, the industry shills are coming out of the woodworks with their burner accounts.
They are so responsive to being called out and will turn on you in a heartbeat. Not unlike the newly designed **Ace AF1’s**
Real talk, if there are Indy and thunder shills here, y’all can suck my sick from the back. Also, I’m super happy I got paid today and will be picking up a pair ASAP.
you guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm
Expand Quoteyou guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm[close]
Its more like "huh, we are on the verge of the release of a hotly discussed, anticipated product that seems and feels like a bit of a mystery, then some people log on with brand new shiny accounts, folks who havent contributed anything yet, acting like assholes, then getting really bothered/upset when people point out all the obvious aforementioned things."
The rest of us are eagerly anticipating the trucks, but not a single person here has said that a truck they havent ridden yet is the best truck of all time, or even good for that matter.
So fuck off, basically.
Whaaaa? Someone said something about these trucks I don’t like? They must an industry shill!! Corporate conspiracy!! People aren’t allowed to be critical!! Praise only!!
Seriously?
I like ace but I’m going to suck their dick for everything they do, I think they dropped the ball here.
Hopefully the trucks feel like ace classics (because that’s the turn we love) and they last longer. That’s literally it. They didn’t do anything else to this truck, they didn’t fix the kingpin clearance and they didn’t make hollow or dlk options like other companies have had for ages now.
But they extend the wheelbase and threw in a useless rethreader. Surely this the best most technical truck in the game now.
Expand Quoteyou guys better not go back to all the older pages, all the ace criticism might make your head explode. yeah, anyone who has something "negative" to say about a company's marketing/decision making process must be an industry assassan. i swear the internet and social media has eroded people's brains. keep up that cult-like positivity and eat up that marketing mmmmm[close]
Its more like "huh, we are on the verge of the release of a hotly discussed, anticipated product that seems and feels like a bit of a mystery, then some people log on with brand new shiny accounts, folks who havent contributed anything yet, acting like assholes, then getting really bothered/upset when people point out all the obvious aforementioned things."
The rest of us are eagerly anticipating the trucks, but not a single person here has said that a truck they havent ridden yet is the best truck of all time, or even good for that matter.
So fuck off, basically.
my local had them in stock since yesterday, and I picked some up this morning. Basically had my first sesh in 3 months but they felt really good. I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual. The metal they used on these is great they don’t feel cheap and soft anymore. That’s about all I’ve got for now.
I feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.
Expand QuoteWhaaaa? Someone said something about these trucks I don’t like? They must an industry shill!! Corporate conspiracy!! People aren’t allowed to be critical!! Praise only!!
Seriously?
I like ace but I’m going to suck their dick for everything they do, I think they dropped the ball here.
Hopefully the trucks feel like ace classics (because that’s the turn we love) and they last longer. That’s literally it. They didn’t do anything else to this truck, they didn’t fix the kingpin clearance and they didn’t make hollow or dlk options like other companies have had for ages now.
But they extend the wheelbase and threw in a useless rethreader. Surely this the best most technical truck in the game now.[close]
big gayve is their muscle.
i'll buy these AF1's and keep my mouth shut and never make a gay joke again, yes they/zir/zaam
i'll buy these AF1's and keep my mouth shut and never make a gay joke again, yes they/zir/zaam
Expand QuoteI feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.[close]
Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.
just thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.
Expand Quotejust thought it was hilarious that they said they've read all the DMs....yet they appear to be off, and I think have been as long as I've been following them. I've DMd Joey and Shrewgy a couple of times (like a man, shalom) and havent even seen a read receipt.[close]
On IG, companies can read DM's before they choose to "Accept" them. If they don't accept them, you won't see a read reciept or "seen at x:xxpm". So they likely read your messages and ignored them.
With that said, Ace did respond to me about a warranty question. it was terse, but they did respond.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.[close]
Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.[close]
Spent a few more minutes on them... The turning feels handicapped for lack of better words. Like it feels the same, but it wheelbites quicker than before, which might be because the wheelbase was extended, but that's just my guess. With the Ace Classics I had to really try to even hit wheelbite, yet with the AF1's it's really easy to bite. I definitely can't get as deep of a turn out of them compared to the previous Aces due to hitting wheelbite. Maybe they'll feel better with risers and more slack for the turning radius.
On the plus side, they pop way way nicer than the previous versions of Aces, which was my main gripe with the Ace Classics.
Edit: running stock tightness as well, haven't touched it at all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI feel like the wheelbase has been extended because I found myself putting my front foot further up the nose than usual.[close]
Absolutely fucking nooooooooo. I hope not.[close]
Spent a few more minutes on them... The turning feels handicapped for lack of better words. Like it feels the same, but it wheelbites quicker than before, which might be because the wheelbase was extended, but that's just my guess. With the Ace Classics I had to really try to even hit wheelbite, yet with the AF1's it's really easy to bite. I definitely can't get as deep of a turn out of them compared to the previous Aces due to hitting wheelbite. Maybe they'll feel better with risers and more slack for the turning radius.
On the plus side, they pop way way nicer than the previous versions of Aces, which was my main gripe with the Ace Classics.
Edit: running stock tightness as well, haven't touched it at all.
Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
Damn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.
Expand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.[close]
I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.[close]
I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase[close]
Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.[close]
I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase[close]
Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?
Yes. Classics were +2.75”
That’s pretty big news (IF TRUE) and will confirm something changed with the geo. So the A1 specs saying “all these features with the geometry you know and love” were kind of a lie
I'm just going to stay out of this hypothetical argument until we get to touch them tomorrow.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.[close]
I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase[close]
Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?[close]
Yup, that was the most reported measurement for original Aces. Some were +/- a 1/16" in the older wheelbase thread, but I'd say +2.75"
Its all over. The dream is sitting in the mud of St Thomas staring at a half finished Jamaican mini ramp.
Oh well... Guess I'll get to axle on my classics and then kill myself.
Expand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDamn in that pic of the new aces they got bones bushing in them. That’s kinda disheartening considering most love ace stock bushings. Also just thinking out loud I prefer ace to Indy. But if they got the same wheel base extension ( and completely ignored what customers want of a new rev.) as Indy. Why not skate Indy and get the option of a hollow or ti.[close]
Or just keep skating the classics, which might be my approach.
Yep, waiting for the tape measurer and AF1 bearer to decide for me if Im getting them.[close]
I can't take a pic cuz I'm too dumb to use a camera and tape measure with both hands, but using a 8.38 AH Eagle with 14.5" wheelbase gives me an axle to axle of 17.5"... so the AF1's add +3.00" to the wheelbase[close]
Alright now were talking. What was the Classics +? 2.75"?[close]
Yup, that was the most reported measurement for original Aces. Some were +/- a 1/16" in the older wheelbase thread, but I'd say +2.75"[close]
This semi confirms all the photos I posted. They did fuck with the wb.
Wheelbase has not changed.
Expand QuoteWheelbase has not changed.[close]
It hasnt?
Expand QuoteIts all over. The dream is sitting in the mud of St Thomas staring at a half finished Jamaican mini ramp.
Oh well... Guess I'll get to axle on my classics and then kill myself.[close]
Eh just buy another set of 55s after. They said theyre staying in the line up
I have a dipshit kid telling me to look through the Ace stories in regard to my wheelbase question.
Some mother fuckers still out there thinking that means truck width.
Who asked for Ace trucks to turn less :o
Expand QuoteWho asked for Ace trucks to turn less :o[close]
Have you tried them?
Weight measurements in ounces too. But yeah the AF1 66 have a 9” axle, and weigh 411g. With a 163mm hanger.
I really like ace but I'm not too stoked on the 65$ price tag for a set of 44's
I love ace but damn ace congrats. You made an Indy. Also few things. The weight of an 8.5 Indy according to tactics is 394 grams =13.898 ounces. Anyone got the weight on the new 55?
Also on aces website it says classics are 53mm tall not 52mm. So if the new one is 53mm it’s the same.l height as classic that’s a positive.
Is it really true they extended the wheelbase? Just ordered a pair but not sure if I'll keep them if they're just Ace's Indy Mid.
Expand QuoteIs it really true they extended the wheelbase? Just ordered a pair but not sure if I'll keep them if they're just Ace's Indy Mid.[close]
We have one user report saying so.....
Also look at the comparison photo a few pages back. It certainly seems that way from the photo too.
I'm pretty pissed about it.... If true..... And so far it seems like it's true. Who knows......
Lots of strong opinions on some trucks no one here has skated, or even held in their hand, yet ::)
People freaking out about the wheelbase, fucking hilarious. The hanger is wonky in that pic, it’s not straight on so it pushed the one side up.
just got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.
I do let me take a oic and ill upload itExpand Quotejust got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.[close]
Nice one
Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?
Up on Skatewarehouse:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Skateboard_Trucks/catpage-TRACE.html
I do let me take a oic and ill upload itExpand QuoteExpand Quotejust got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.[close]
Nice one
Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?[close]
Expand QuoteUp on Skatewarehouse:
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Skateboard_Trucks/catpage-TRACE.html[close]
Skate warehouse? .....Nah
Expand QuoteI do let me take a oic and ill upload itExpand QuoteExpand Quotejust got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.[close]
Nice one
Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?[close][close]
Thanks man
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI do let me take a oic and ill upload itExpand QuoteExpand Quotejust got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.[close]
Nice one
Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?[close][close]
Thanks man[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI do let me take a oic and ill upload itExpand QuoteExpand Quotejust got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.[close]
Nice one
Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?[close][close]
Thanks man[close][close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNvCf5IBTSu/
they seem like a mil difference but I dont think it would make tooo much of a huge difference, I'm looking forward to the new pivot cups and bushings.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI do let me take a oic and ill upload itExpand QuoteExpand Quotejust got my 55's from my local shop civil, they sit a few mm's back from my indy 149's with the cast baseplate. They seem a bit lighter than the classic 44's and a tad bit heavier than my indys. weathers crappy today so I'll skate them hopefully tomorrow to see how the improvements are.[close]
Nice one
Do you have ace classics so we can compare the wheelbase?[close][close]
Thanks man[close][close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/CNvCf5IBTSu/[close]
Thanks man
You just put my mind at ease haha
I was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise difference
I have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise differenceExpand QuoteI was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...[close]
Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38Expand QuoteI have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise differenceExpand QuoteI was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...[close][close]
If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.
Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38
@skateandphotos gnarred for doing gods work.Yeah no problem I could make a youtube video if you guys would like I dont mind at all. I have the 44 classics and I got the AF1 55's because I just bought some thunder 148s for my 8.25s
On deck axle to axle. Would be sick. Also when you skate them. Will you post about first impressions and such? Since you skated the classics you have a good baseline to compare them etc. also what classics did you skate? Which af1 size did you go for? Your pick has me back thinking about ordering some. Neither local of mine carry ace.
The classics I have, have brand new ace bushings that I skated for maybe 15 20 minutes before rolling my ankle bad so I could also compare the new bushings to the old ones if you want to see that tooYeah no problem I could make a youtube video if you guys would like I dont mind at all. I have the 44 classics and I got the AF1 55's because I just bought some thunder 148s for my 8.25sExpand Quote@skateandphotos gnarred for doing gods work.
On deck axle to axle. Would be sick. Also when you skate them. Will you post about first impressions and such? Since you skated the classics you have a good baseline to compare them etc. also what classics did you skate? Which af1 size did you go for? Your pick has me back thinking about ordering some. Neither local of mine carry ace.[close]
Just finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise differenceExpand QuoteI was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...[close][close]
If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.[close]
Hopefully I can skate tomorrow its raining and snowing in southern mass right now so if its dry enough ill go to my local park tomorrow morning and make a first impression video for you allExpand QuoteJust finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise differenceExpand QuoteI was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...[close][close]
If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.[close][close]
Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.
My guess is that they extended the wheelbase because some riders on the team, particularly the one hitting gnarly street spots and rails, needed it. What are they going to do, ride Indy? Everyone else can stay on Classics. Hyping the truck up to be the next evolution of Ace seems to be very miscalculated in my mind. Also this will make me question whether a trick in an Ace video was done on the classics or AF1, because the difference in geometry will obviously make them have different qualities in riding as well. With the information we have right now, it's safe to say AF1 will be similar to Indy Mid or Stage 10, which means more tech, more speed, more gaps, more rails, but less carving.Good point I'm wondering if they'll feel more stable as well with the wider wb. I definitely agree with you it seems they want to make a middle ground truck that can accommodate the broad range of wheel bases on the market especially the smaller sized boards
Hopefully I can skate tomorrow its raining and snowing in southern mass right now so if its dry enough ill go to my local park tomorrow morning and make a first impression video for you allExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise differenceExpand QuoteI was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...[close][close]
If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.[close][close]
Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.[close]
no problem I'll edit and upload it as soon as I canExpand QuoteHopefully I can skate tomorrow its raining and snowing in southern mass right now so if its dry enough ill go to my local park tomorrow morning and make a first impression video for you allExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust finished so the classics with a 14.38 wb sit at 17 inches and the af1 sit right between 17.25 and 17.38Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have two dlx 8.25's I could put the trucks on and measure the wheelbase to see they precise differenceExpand QuoteI was gonna say. I dont think this is the best test, the best is an actual measurement on the same board, but that does look like a slight difference...[close][close]
If you dont mind, I think we would all be eternally grateful.[close][close]
Well fuck.
Only thing left are some rider reviews.[close][close]
Gnar'd
Thanks man
Ace Fanboys when they hear about the wheelbase being extended:
(https://preview.redd.it/mz9h9c0o57r41.png?auto=webp&s=0491bec42e11b35bf41f33e3a004ccd48eed167d)
Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?I skated two setups at one point last summer one with indy titaniums and one with ace 44's personally I didn't find a huge difference besides the obvious weight but for me its mostly wheelbase and steepness of the kicks that being said personally it wasn't a huge difference.
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these
Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these
IMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.
Expand QuoteIMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.[close]
That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up
this is the most action shoes&gear has gotten in a while.
i do think its interesting, there's no other company out there that's offering two different versions of trucks like ace.
like yeah different weight variations, lows/mids sure, but this is like two different geos almost. hard to believe they will keep making both.
Got AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.Thanks for the write up! Good to hear about the turn, I do bet the new washers and bushings are improved. I bet the pivot cups have a touch to do with that as well.
Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.
Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.
Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.
Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.
this is the most action shoes&gear has gotten in a while.
i do think its interesting, there's no other company out there that's offering two different versions of trucks like ace.
like yeah different weight variations, lows/mids sure, but this is like two different geos almost. hard to believe they will keep making both.
Thanks for the write up! Good to hear about the turn, I do bet the new washers and bushings are improved. I bet the pivot cups have a touch to do with that as well.Expand QuoteGot AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.
Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.
Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.
Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.
Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.[close]
Has anybody switched to ace after riding super light trucks like thunder hollows?
Does the change in wheelbase possibly compensate the weight or is there still a huge difference?
You guys really make me want to try these
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.[close]
That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up[close]
True re:height, but classic Aces push the axle in a lot further than Thunders which will also lightens things up. I'm sure the weight loss on a light truck helps, but I stick by my belief that hight and axle placement matter more.
I can relate to the gear madness but some of yall are freaking out way too much. I can assure most of you that we will all be able to do our mediocre skateboarding equally mediocre whether its on AF1's or classic aces.I ordered a new pair of classic 55s today out of fear that my incredibly mediocre skating might improve with the AF1's. I don't need that shit at this stage in the game.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIMHO truck height and axle placement have way more to do with how light or heave a truck feels than a couple grams. People will say otherwise but we are talking about a couple coins in the pocket worth of weight.[close]
That's definitely true, but my thunder titaniums are the same height and almost 100g lighter than the ace 44s I'm considering. Haven't really tried any standard weight trucks in a long time. Might be time to man up[close]
True re:height, but classic Aces push the axle in a lot further than Thunders which will also lightens things up. I'm sure the weight loss on a light truck helps, but I stick by my belief that hight and axle placement matter more.[close]
Definitely this. The geometry of the height and axel placement has a lot more to do with how the board will react, snap and feel more so than a negligable difference in weight. With added weight you don't really have to adjust, just pop harder. You'd have to adjust way more to the weight distribution, turn and tipping/contact points of different trucks.
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
What size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?
Expand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.
This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.
No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.
Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.Expand QuoteWhat size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?[close]
AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.
Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.
This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.
No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.
Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.Expand QuoteWhat size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?[close]
AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.
Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.[close]
Thanks for the response. I had some 44 classics on an 8.5 board that got stolen last night. I was liking them. Considering whether I should buy more 44 classics or move over to the AFs.
I currently only have ventures on my setups, if I put aces on a bigger deck I’m going to set up am I going to die because I will have trucks that turn? Or canthey be tightened a reasonable amount
Thanks for the write up! Good to hear about the turn, I do bet the new washers and bushings are improved. I bet the pivot cups have a touch to do with that as well.Expand QuoteGot AF1 55s today and made an Xmas complete to compare side by side with my V1 44s.
Turn seems better on the AF1s. Can’t remember what washers I have on the V1s. Might be at least partially Ace originals which would explain the worse turn on the V1s. From what I remember, the turn seems just as great as on new V3s.
Grind seems worse but my V1s are fully axled and I grinded only unpainted curbs so it’s likely only because of steel vs. aluminum.
Didn’t do any measuring cuz I don’t have anything to measure with where I am now.
Main point is that I would not be worried at all. These are definitely not Indys. The turn is there and I don’t find anything other wrong with them either, apart from not having a 8.75” truck. I loved the old Aces and I don’t think these are any worse. Time will tell if they’re better. Bushings were great from the start. No break in time required at all.[close]
But just FYI that the standard version are named 44 classics, not V1. That A1 versus V1 terminology you are using is a bit confusing, and you mention V3?
Dumb question, I’m sure, but... if the axle nuts are already self rethreading, what is the extra axle rethreader for, exactly?
I mean, aside from a reason to bump the price?
Dumb question, I’m sure, but... if the axle nuts are already self rethreading, what is the extra axle rethreader for, exactly?
I mean, aside from a reason to bump the price?
The diagram says bonus rethreader so maybe its just a bonus rethreader.
The diagram says bonus rethreader so maybe its just a bonus rethreader.
Not to derail the convo here, but my local just got Film trucks in and I'm in need of new trucks - not sure if I should stick to 44 classics (been on these for the last 8 months and love em), give the AF1s a try, or take a run at Films... I'm not massively opposed to trying new things, but just wondered if any serious Ace lovers here have rode Films and have a decent comparison.I ride classic 44 aces on my polar and 6.0 films on my Chico big boy; not much difference in the pop but you will notice a difference in the turn, have heard replacing the pivot cups in the films (or greasing them) fixes it. They are certainly quality trucks but I always ride my films first in a session and then my aces, because if I do it the other way around there’s just not as much carve!
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.not sure if i count as a regular but ace seems to be targeting indys market share based on the information that we have. all the stats in this thread alone confirmed i dont need to spend $65+ on a raw indy. just not happening for me
I currently only have ventures on my setups, if I put aces on a bigger deck I’m going to set up am I going to die because I will have trucks that turn? Or can they be tightened a reasonable amount
not sure if i count as a regular but ace seems to be targeting indys market share based on the information that we have. all the stats in this thread alone confirmed i dont need to spend $65+ on a raw indy. just not happening for meExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
most venture heads wont give a shit about the af1s. thunder fans seem to be the most wishy-washy out of the 4 big truck brands, im sure diehards (not sponsored) exist but they arent too vocal on slap about only riding thunders. ace might snag some of those people.
the marketing is also shamelessly flimsy. "the most technical truck ever made" should have arrived with hollow or titanium variants. at least the fucking kingpin or something.
trust me i tried to let the marketing work, really. "now its our turn" didnt cut it. you can change bushings in any truck to make them turn better, the pic with the pre-release date 77s and bones mediums said it all for me. if they actually brought something new to table they wouldnt need to advertise with something so obvious. calling yourself a "pilot" seems cool but id need more than that to justify changing trucks.
excuse me if this is a disjointed post with different points, very hungover from last night and disappointed with the news. literally took the classics, added new sizes and some other nonsense, extended the wheelbase, and called it new. lazy isnt even the right word. doesnt even seem like anyone here is really excited, just willing to try the "new" truck and see how it goes. not hating on ace just disappointed that they think im stupid.
the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up
the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked upExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
Expand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up[close]
just look up “compact skate tool”, I got one from with some radeckal branding for $13 shipped. TOA offered one for a little while too. the whole thing is metal so a file is redundant, only thing your missing is the rethreader.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.
This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.
No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.
Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.Expand QuoteWhat size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?[close]
AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.
Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.[close]
Thanks for the response. I had some 44 classics on an 8.5 board that got stolen last night. I was liking them. Considering whether I should buy more 44 classics or move over to the AFs.[close]
I like to have my wheels flush with the edge of the board, so the Classic 44s were never really quite what I wanted for width in truck, but they still work well for most people who wanted no wheel showing.
The new ones are more expensive, along with all the rest of the added features, but also sit right on 8.5, so depending on how much you have to spend and where you like the wheels to sit, I would say those two factors will be the deciding point for which truck you buy.
Personally I would be going for the AF1, but that is just me.
This is all very stressful.
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
I felt sticker shock at first and then I remembered I bought the TI ventures and only used the hangar so it made me feel better while also making me feel worse somehowExpand QuoteThis is all very stressful.[close]
Yeah, I just ordered the 33's in gold. I'd rather have credit card debt than this lingering on my mind.
I still feel like I overpaid. $65 for standard trucks... ::)
Expand QuoteJust mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.[close]
the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.[close]
the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.[close]
This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.
I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.
I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.
Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.
The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.
Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.
Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.
(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)
so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inchesExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start.
I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inchesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start.
I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.[close]
so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inchesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start.
I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.[close]
Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick(https://i.imgur.com/M8FUBtA.jpg)
Thanks for that IE, exactly my point.(https://i.imgur.com/M8FUBtA.jpg)Expand QuoteNow that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick[close]
Haha I feel your pain man. The bushing break in process is silly but it's worth it when they finally come around.Thanks for that IE, exactly my point.Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/M8FUBtA.jpg)Expand QuoteNow that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick[close][close]
Expand Quoteso if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inchesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWith many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.[close]
As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start.
I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.[close][close]
I thought about this too. The Shredz Shop guy did a video on ACE/AF1s today and said that the bent axle was a problem that has already been fixed in the classics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEEf3asP0Mc
Apologies if this has been covered this thread is huge
So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.[close]
the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.[close]
This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.
I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.
I see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.
Expand QuoteI see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.[close]
I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.
Expand QuoteApologies if this has been covered this thread is huge
So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?[close]
The comments from Ace on their insta say the Classics are staying the same. Can't remember seeing any word on the lows, but I'd guess the same.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.[close]
the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.[close]
This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.
I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.[close]
If you’ve spent any time around cyclists and their forums, you’d know that weight and measurement spreadsheets are sacrosanct. The weenies here would probably appreciate something similar.
Expand QuoteI see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.[close]
I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.[close]
I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.[close]
Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.
Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.[close]
I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.[close]
Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.
Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.[close]
The shape of the Venture hanger definitely feels harder on concrete when you're getting used to it. Indy's have always felt the best to me for grinding concrete. The shape of the hanger distributes your weight differently, more surface area...
I just set up some AF1 55's... And, of course it's raining. I did stand up on the board and compared them to my v2 44's. MUCH, much looser feeling. Can't wait to get out for a cruise and chip away at breaking them in, and curious to see the metal feel on grinds. If the weather clears up, I should have some intel in the next few days.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI see the softer, fast-grinding aluminum of the Ace to be a feature, not a defect, and I suspect a lot of slappy-happy Ace skaters do too. It's good to see that they're keeping the Classic around, and I hope that they fix the kingpin issues, because I think of the Ace 44 as more or less the perfect truck, even if I am riding Indys at the moment.[close]
I dunno. I am often struck at how much better Thunder/ Indy metal feels to grind on curbs than Ace classics.[close]
Having the madness had me grinding everything, Tensor Mag lights > the rest, but out of the rest, I found it to be Indy>Thunder>ACE>Venture...currently on Indy and I'm having zero issues, they grind great...still behind the maglights but they still hustle. ACE classic ground well enough but it was softer, not worse or better, just different.
Ventures tho, they feel the toughest to get moving.[close]
The shape of the Venture hanger definitely feels harder on concrete when you're getting used to it. Indy's have always felt the best to me for grinding concrete. The shape of the hanger distributes your weight differently, more surface area...
I just set up some AF1 55's... And, of course it's raining. I did stand up on the board and compared them to my v2 44's. MUCH, much looser feeling. Can't wait to get out for a cruise and chip away at breaking them in, and curious to see the metal feel on grinds. If the weather clears up, I should have some intel in the next few days.[close]
I’ve had a completely different experience. My slappies have gotten way longer since riding aces and ventures. I got way more hung up on indys
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.
I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.
Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.
The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.
Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.
Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.
(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)
Expand QuoteAlright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.
I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.
Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.
The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.
Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.
Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.
(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)[close]
Your setup is rad. I'm trying the 77s too.. just ordered them after riding Indys since the early 2000s to try something different!
(https://i.imgur.com/VNPXiaR.jpg)
I picked up some AF1 55s and a new board over the weekend and took a comparison photo since no one's posted one yet. Board on the left is AF1 55s on an 8.25 and on the right is classic 44s on an 8.5, both have a 14.25" wheelbase. I measured the classic 44s to be 17.25" axel to axel and the AF1 55s to be 17 9/16". So the longer wheelbase is definitely confirmed.
I pushed around the block a few times so I don't have a full review but these are some of my initial thoughts. They felt looser than I expected while standing on the board stationary at stock tightness. I stood on my friends board last week who had fresh 44 classics and they felt super tight. I skate without the top washer with the bolt flush with the kingpin and I have the same little bit of wobble as I had with my classics. Standing stationary it felt like I would hit wheelbite easier than on the classics, but I didn't notice any significant difference in wheelbite while cruising.
They felt really good pushing around. The turn is definitely there. They feel like Aces for sure. One thing I noticed is that they feel like they have a flat center while going straight. With the classics, it always felt like you were carving on an edge. Like you were always leaning frontside or backside, never just straight. I think this will definitely feel better to set up for ledge or flip tricks while skating street.
The longer wheelbase was noticeable, but it didn't seem to affect the turn too much. They feel very stable and less squirly. The pop did feel a little different but I can't say yet if it's better or worse. I only ollied over a few manhole covers and up a couple curbs. I did a few kickflips too and they felt good, except for the fresh grip.
I'm excited to actually skate these. I don't think anyone should be worried not liking them. I've been skating Aces since 2013ish and don't plan on skating anything else anytime soon.
Does anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.
Expand QuoteDoes anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.[close]
Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.
Expand QuoteDoes anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.[close]
Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDoes anyone have an opinion on wheel shape vs Ace trucks? I have tried Spitfire tablets and OJ Universals. The tablets with a 20mm+ ride patch seemed way more stable and inspired more confidence at high speeds. A lot of Ace team riders especially the transition riders seem to prefer squarish wheels. The only one I can think of who is on Classics right now is Raven. Have some Classics at hand, would love to try em for smooth coping lockins and outs, but that ride patch seems really tiny. Even Cardiel is on tablets nowadays.[close]
Even though classics have a narrow riding surface at first, it gets wider as it wears down into more of a conical shape. Worn down classics feel the best IMO, it's like breaking in a glove. Just get like 2mm bigger than you usually skate and they'll be pretty sweet once those extra mm's wear down. Love it on Aces.[close]
This is the way.
I wanted 53mm Lock-in's, but no dice. Got me some classics in 54mm and can't wait until they are down to 52mm.
Second session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.
Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.
Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.
Expand QuoteSecond session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.
Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.
Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.[close]
How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different? Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSecond session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.
Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.
Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.[close]
How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different? Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting[close]
If I were you, I'd run your 44's into the ground beforehand. Loving mine so far, but at 37 it takes me considerably longer to kill trucks.
Expand QuoteSecond session on the 77s today. Bushings and pivot cups feel even better, firmer and more responsive. For people asking about the cups, the inside lip looks about as chewed as mine always do and I just attribute it to the break-in process. Nothing rattly or wobbly or anything that would be off putting/out of the usual. And yeah, at no point have these done any sticking to either side.
Last session was on some very smooth painted and waxed parking blocks, today I went to some worn down, heavily skated curbs. They're noticeably louder than the classics at this same spot. I also did the longest slappy front crook I've ever done, which could have also been because of the extra hangar space.
Aside from the guilt I feel about not finishing off my 55 classics, I don't see a reason to go back unless these somehow unexpectedly crap out.[close]
How’s the pinch compared to classics? Do they Pop different? Wheel base extension throwing you off any? I want to try some but I still got life in my 44s and don’t wanna break in new ones but damn these are tempting
@FrozenIndustries not noticing a material upgrade? Just bushings pretty much. And the higher hanger by sizing up
Not to derail the convo here, but my local just got Film trucks in and I'm in need of new trucks - not sure if I should stick to 44 classics (been on these for the last 8 months and love em), give the AF1s a try, or take a run at Films... I'm not massively opposed to trying new things, but just wondered if any serious Ace lovers here have rode Films and have a decent comparison.
Looks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)
Maybe it is but I tend to think Thunder has more of a “generic” truck look to it especially more so than Ace.Expand QuoteLooks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)[close]
Maybe just a generic truck image the artist chose for the graphic? I wouldn't even speculate on the topic of GT leaving Indy, but that would rock the scales hard.
@Buttfart Rapedick you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.wheel bite is pretty much non existent on films, still not sure if I like the turn better than aces (at least at stick tightness) but they certainly are a quality truck!
@Buttfart Rapedick you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.
Expand Quote@Buttfart Rapedick you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.[close]
I would say it depends on how big your wheels are. The stock bushings are maybe a bit softer (I'd say 88-90a) than ace but I usually skate the Film hard (guessing around 94-96a) bushings - shoutout to Jeremie Daclin for mailing me a set from France - with 53mm tablets which makes wheelbite pretty much a nonfactor. I did recently set up my Film hollows on an 8.25 WKND with 55mm OG classics (basically a conical full with classic formula) which are a pretty big wheel. I haven't had any issues there but I've only skated it twice and I ride my trucks pretty tight so your mileage may vary if you're into looseys and/or monster truck setups.
I just realized I left one thing out - the grind. Films have a really nice grind on concrete. I've never actually tried them on anything but curbs but the standards have a fast grind that requires very little wax. I'm not sure if that means its harder or softer than other trucks, but its noticeable enough that I usually get caught off guard the first time I hit my little curb. It's not quite as smooth and buttery feeling as ace, but definitely feels faster. I know JD and a lot of the film team guys are big into curbs and slappys so I'm guessing concrete grinding was something they focused on when they were designing and developing them.
One of the other things I like about Film is the unique colored plates and hardware for pro models and collabs. They don't always make the entire truck one color ala silver/ace/thunder etc and often just add a little flair to make them stand out. They recently released an FTC one that I really like and have been considering picking up even though I already have far too many trucks.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0183/2011/products/filmtruck2_1024x1024.jpg)
Oh yeah, does anyone have an actual weight (in grams) for the AF1 44? I skimmed through the last few pages and didn't see it.
(https://i.ibb.co/CWRQr21/IMG-1767.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHnDpR6)
(https://i.ibb.co/TRssnFH/IMG-1769.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFLLdYc)
Went for the Grosso mod on some AF1 66's. Used some stainless steel old stock Gullwing kingpins I had found on eBay.
The stock nut spun in the baseplate recess, but the sharper thin titanium nuts I had stocked up on actually seated themselves without spinning... bit into the recess a little. So rather than plopping a ton of JB weld in there, I just dripped some superglue into it. They can tighten and loosen without any spinning at all. Will report back on how this holds up after skating them!
@stets looks very sick. How hard was it to get the stock KP out on the AF1s?
Expand Quote@stets looks very sick. How hard was it to get the stock KP out on the AF1s?[close]
It was pretty difficult compared to the Thunder and Indy kingpins I've hammered out. Had to use the heaviest hammer I own and probably twice the number of strikes. Ace seems to have better (or at least denser) aluminum in the baseplate. But that's good because the hole didn't oval out while hammering them out, which means less wobble on the inverted kingpin setup.
Expand QuoteLooks like GT has an Ace drawn on his new graphic. He’s not listed on the site but could this be foreshadowing things to come?
(https://i.ibb.co/wQMgdyW/9875-DE46-CD1-A-421-A-8-FF4-F5-E0585-D03-DE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wQMgdyW)[close]
Maybe just a generic truck image the artist chose for the graphic? I wouldn't even speculate on the topic of GT leaving Indy, but that would rock the scales hard.
wheel bite is pretty much non existent on films, still not sure if I like the turn better than aces (at least at stick tightness) but they certainly are a quality truck!Expand Quote@Buttfart Rapedick you got me really interested in trying film. How’s the wheel bite? I feel like ace is the least wheel bite I’ve had on a truck.[close]
Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/CWRQr21/IMG-1767.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHnDpR6)
(https://i.ibb.co/TRssnFH/IMG-1769.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFLLdYc)
Went for the Grosso mod on some AF1 66's. Used some stainless steel old stock Gullwing kingpins I had found on eBay.
The stock nut spun in the baseplate recess, but the sharper thin titanium nuts I had stocked up on actually seated themselves without spinning... bit into the recess a little. So rather than plopping a ton of JB weld in there, I just dripped some superglue into it. They can tighten and loosen without any spinning at all. Will report back on how this holds up after skating them![close]
respect to surely being the first to do this
Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.[close]
In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years!
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.[close]
In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years![close]
Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.
Found this video. Note that his height measurement is crap. He measures with a tape and then uses the wrong conversion (2.18 inches instead of 2.125 - which wasn't accurate enough to begin with).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M
If any of the people who are geeking out about board, truck and wheels measurement don't at least have a pair of $15 digital calipers from Harbor Freight, you're hopeless.
Found this video. Note that his height measurement is crap. He measures with a tape and then uses the wrong conversion (2.18 inches instead of 2.125 - which wasn't accurate enough to begin with).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M
BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
Expand QuoteBTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2[close]
Thank you!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteBTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2[close]
Thank you![close]
Note that's for the raws!
Also, "Only 7 Currently In Stock" makes you wonder why they've got an odd number..someone buy 1 or 3?
BTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2
Ended up getting Film trucks because (weirdly) the skateshop I ended up at had them, but not the new Aces and I wasn't feeling particularly picky. Got the Rollersurfer pro model because they felt like almost the same weight as the hollows.
Didn't see any of the Buttfart Rapedick posts till after buying and skating them, but would say I agree with basically all of his assessments aside from that I didn't notice a difference in my pop at all, but this may be more because I went from riding my Ace 44's on a deck that has been on it's last legs for at least the last three or four sessions I'd skated before switching and when I got the Films I threw them on a brand new deck.
Whoever said Films are cheap is absolutely wrong. If anything skating them makes me feel like the Ace classics are kind of cheap, or at the very least feel flimsy.
It may be psychosomatic but the Films have a nice sturdy feeling to them and they grind really, really well. To me they feel like an older stage Indy in heartiness but with a crazy good and fun turn like Aces.
Honestly I feel like the turn really is better, or at least better for me, than the Aces. If it gives you any idea of the turn I'll say this - I tend to do quick little surfy snap carves while skating and like doing pinpoint turns to hit obstacles in weird lines and the Films seem to have a really snappy, pinpoint, tight turn that lends itself really well to this. First session out I hit up this little diy park (7th street in delaware if you know) and was hitting two backside grinds on a really long 3ft high quarter by doing quick carves as soon as I would get to the flat in kind of a surf-style. Always wanted to do this trick and have never been able to before with any other setup.
As far as the pinch goes on Films I won't say they're specifically better than Ace per se, but that they just feel slightly different. I never really got good crooks on Aces really, and always felt like the pinch would happen, but felt more like an effort of pure will-power and precise posture, the Films are somewhat like this but IMO feel a little easier to stand up in. This might just be my personal experience or that my two sessions with them I was particularly on or something though.
Wish there was a way that I knew of to cross post this info to the "Less popular brands" truck thread, but I feel like probably if you're interested in info on Films then you probably lurk the Ace thread anyway since they're the most common comparison.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteBTW for those not keen on the abnormally high price, hit up Warehouse Skateboards....$44.99 a pair/set of 2, and use GET10NOW for 10% off ;)
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/ace-trucks-af1-55-polished-skateboard-trucks-5.8-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2[close]
Thank you![close]
Note that's for the raws!
Also, "Only 7 Currently In Stock" makes you wonder why they've got an odd number..someone buy 1 or 3?[close]
Raws meaning polished? Got me worried now, I just ordered a set. The black and gold are only $2~ more btw. My order came to $46 with shipping for the 55’s
And that is probably the quantity of sets, not individual trucks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0Vum3rd-M[close]
Lol awkward when he sees this. Dudes a frequent poster in shoes and gear
I have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? 🤔
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.[close]
In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years![close]
Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.[close]
I don't know how anyone gets this to hold. Unless you have access to top secret aerospace glues, JB Weld is basically the only thing you're going to find on the shelf that will hold that in place IME
Expand QuoteI have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? 🤔[close]
At 53.5 high and a +2.875 wheelbase, they should have the geometry to turn like Aces. Then we have the bushings, you mentioned you threw in softs. Maybe they are not broken in yet? Ace bushings are also quite stiff out of the box. I hope the "nipple" bushing style doesn't steal some turn. Another thing someone mentioned is that Film bushings freeze up something serious in cold weather. Are you perhaps skating in the cold? The reason why I'm eyeing a pair is because they seem like a well thought out and designed product. I like the design and I'm certain the quality is good as well. If they turn like Tensors for whatever reason, well, that would be a giant disappointment of course.
I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore. I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics. Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?44s. You can push the wheels out a few mm with 44s but you can't really cut off the axles of 55s. Plus, 44s are lighter.
44s. You can push the wheels out a few mm with 44s but you can't really cut off the axles of 55s. Plus, 44s are lighter.Expand QuoteI guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore. I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics. Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?[close]
I guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore. I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics. Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?
I have no idea how you guys got Film trucks to turn. I got a set and immediately threw some soft Film bushings in them and set the kingpin flush and they don’t turn worth shit. If I can’t turn easily while pushing, it’s not gonna work for me. Standing on the board on a carpet it feels like they might turn really nice but actually skating them, they really don’t at all. Maybe with some other bushings they’d be fine but why stray away from Ace as they’ve got the best turn anyway? 🤔
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Tactics has them up as well, bit cheaper too
https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-44
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Tactics has them up as well, bit cheaper too
https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-44[close]
I just saw that when I got home from paying $65 at the "local". Tactics even closer to my house. Doh..
200+ here and doing just fine. I leave the nut factory tight. I think you'll be good.
I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.
Rip City in Santa Monica.
They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best!
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I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.
Rip City in Santa Monica.
They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best![close]
I always find that frustrating (even though I prefer Indy myself) but I would never push certain brands on people, no matter what reason, but over the years I have often seen other shop dudes get pretty harsh on customers, even downright rude if they ask for something that is either not in stock or not the preferred brand from the perspective of that guy. Responses like " What the hell do you want that for?" when asked for something...
That said, I will usually not get much or anything of some brands, but I am not running a big normal type of shop, so I can choose what I would recommend or ride myself and other brands that are good, eg trucks, yes of course I have Indy, but I also have Thunder, Venture, and Ace, plus one or two of a few other brands in stock too.
I wonder if they have a better account with NHS or get incentives for the more product they sell, or are just dicks?
Expand QuoteI guess I just need to pick up a pair of the AF1s and get it out of my system so I don't sit here agonizing anymore. I skate 8.25" or 8.38" boards pretty much exclusively, which is why I loved the 44 classics. Do I stick with 44s or go with 55s in the AF1s?[close]
I usually skate 8.25 / 8.3 but have been recenlty on 8.6+ and Indy 159s, I'm liking the grind room but the heft is killing me so I'm dropping back down to 8.3 / 8.5 decks and moved to the 55 AF1; I would have picked up the AF1 that should have come in the classic 44 sizing... =(
That said, the minute NHS drops the 159ti Mid, I'm jumping ship.
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I called my local the other day knowing it was futile, they've never carried ACE (bending issues) and won't per the conversation I had with them.
Rip City in Santa Monica.
They push indy on you no matter what...got thunders? Sure, but you sure you don't want Indy? They're the best![close]
I always find that frustrating (even though I prefer Indy myself) but I would never push certain brands on people, no matter what reason, but over the years I have often seen other shop dudes get pretty harsh on customers, even downright rude if they ask for something that is either not in stock or not the preferred brand from the perspective of that guy. Responses like " What the hell do you want that for?" when asked for something...
That said, I will usually not get much or anything of some brands, but I am not running a big normal type of shop, so I can choose what I would recommend or ride myself and other brands that are good, eg trucks, yes of course I have Indy, but I also have Thunder, Venture, and Ace, plus one or two of a few other brands in stock too.
I wonder if they have a better account with NHS or get incentives for the more product they sell, or are just dicks?
The NHS thing is possible, though it makes you wonder what would happen if you ask for Krux? I suspect the guy would still push you on Indy.
How can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?
Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...
All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:
Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.
Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.
Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).
Oh Also:
397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
any wheelbase measurement comparisons yet?
(https://i.imgur.com/VNPXiaR.jpg)
I picked up some AF1 55s and a new board over the weekend and took a comparison photo since no one's posted one yet. Board on the left is AF1 55s on an 8.25 and on the right is classic 44s on an 8.5, both have a 14.25" wheelbase. I measured the classic 44s to be 17.25" axel to axel and the AF1 55s to be 17 9/16". So the longer wheelbase is definitely confirmed.
I pushed around the block a few times so I don't have a full review but these are some of my initial thoughts. They felt looser than I expected while standing on the board stationary at stock tightness. I stood on my friends board last week who had fresh 44 classics and they felt super tight. I skate without the top washer with the bolt flush with the kingpin and I have the same little bit of wobble as I had with my classics. Standing stationary it felt like I would hit wheelbite easier than on the classics, but I didn't notice any significant difference in wheelbite while cruising.
They felt really good pushing around. The turn is definitely there. They feel like Aces for sure. One thing I noticed is that they feel like they have a flat center while going straight. With the classics, it always felt like you were carving on an edge. Like you were always leaning frontside or backside, never just straight. I think this will definitely feel better to set up for ledge or flip tricks while skating street.
The longer wheelbase was noticeable, but it didn't seem to affect the turn too much. They feel very stable and less squirly. The pop did feel a little different but I can't say yet if it's better or worse. I only ollied over a few manhole covers and up a couple curbs. I did a few kickflips too and they felt good, except for the fresh grip.
I'm excited to actually skate these. I don't think anyone should be worried not liking them. I've been skating Aces since 2013ish and don't plan on skating anything else anytime soon.
Third day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51134216813_49c40ee4c0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kUyeaP)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2kUyeaP) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/), on Flickr
Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
Edited some of your posts together for clarity, Robert plant.Expand QuoteHow can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?
Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...
All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.[close]
cool third post, bro.
Cool fourth post, bro.Expand QuoteEdited some of your posts together for clarity, Robert plant.Expand QuoteHow can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?
Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...
All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.[close][close]Expand Quotecool third post, bro.[close]
pfffff how fuckin kook can you get. holy fuck ;D dudes like you are why people roast slap. ok tough guys, stay anonymous :-* "don't like Ace's, we 'ohn like yer kind 'round here!"
Expand QuoteThird day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?[close]
Sounds like a blown pivot cup.
Expand QuoteEdited some of your posts together for clarity, Robert plant.Expand QuoteHow can I be an Indy plant if Indy doesn’t pay anyone?
Man, if only their was a mid on the market no one asked for...
All of our heavies and legacies left to support them, we lost our logo, and were NHS. But remember when plan b came back? Well be okay.[close][close]Expand Quotecool third post, bro.[close]
pfffff how fuckin kook can you get. holy fuck ;D dudes like you are why people roast slap. ok tough guys, stay anonymous :-* "don't like Ace's, we 'ohn like yer kind 'round here!"
Third day on my af1 55s and im getting this ear piercing "clack" sound coing from my front truck and occasionally my back when I turn or move the hanger with my hand. Ive kept them completly stock since i bought them so idk where this is coming from or why its happening but im getting really annoyed, anybody having the same issue/ know how to fix it?
Speaking of price, I still feel like they're slightly too much, assuming you didn't get that Warehouseskateboards steal. At 65 I still would have wanted a hollow kingpin, I would pay 70 for full hollows, but 65 for standard still feels weird.
So, could the ‘melting pivot cups’ actually be some kind of lubricant Ace added?
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Maybe Ace realized that people were adding wax/lube to their cups and started doing it themselves. Those of you who ride riptides - do you guys still find the need to add wax or lube to them?
So, could the ‘melting pivot cups’ actually be some kind of lubricant Ace added?
Wonder if the new “hand poured” pivot cups were found to be squeaking on prototypes & their solution was to grease ‘em up.
What’ll they sound like after the grease leaks out?
Don’t really care; prolly gonna cop some when it’s time to re up, regardless.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAlright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.
I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.
Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.
The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.
Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.
Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.
(https://i.imgur.com/PNFdwoB.jpg)[close]
Your setup is rad. I'm trying the 77s too.. just ordered them after riding Indys since the early 2000s to try something different![close]
Thanks. Feeling guilty about not running my 55 classics but I am really enjoying these a lot. Going to see how they perform on some crustier curbs tomorrow.
The extra space feels nice though.
Hello, just giving some additional pieces of information that might be helpful for people who are thinking about purchasing. I haven't ridden them at all so I cannot truly say how they are for now but there are two things that stand out to me after tinkering around
One: the old Riptide ace pivot cups seem to be a great fit still for the new trucks. The new ace pivot cup comes already greased and feels VERY soft in terms of squishing it with my fingers (might have to do with that "melting" issue that another user posted about). Side by side, the ace pivots and the riptides are listed both as 96A but the ace pivots are clearly much softer. They also seem to have a bigger outer band/thickness when looking straight down them.
(https://i.ibb.co/N2hk6x0/image1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2hk6x0)
Two: The top bushing has a much sharper cone shape than the classics. The top circumference for the new bushings is much smaller. I found this out when changing the top washer for a flat one, which I do in every truck (same with the riptides actually). I'll post a picture of the differences in the top bushing. Bottom bushings are pretty much the same
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)
Etc. I know this isn't too helpful given that I haven't ridden the trucks yet and isn't meant to say anything about the quality of the trucks, but I thought i'd let you guys know because it was interesting for me to find out
Anyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?
And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.
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Love the functionality, look and customisation of having an inverted KP but having to take the trucks off everytime you want to take your hanger off etc (or epoxy the nut so it doesn't move) is like nah. Better off angle grinding the standard kingpin nut and it grinds better that way as well apparently.[close]
In order to get any inverted kingpin mod to work, you'll need to epoxy/glue-set the nut in somehow. Otherwise it just spins. So I never have had to take the trucks off to swap bushings or anything on the many sets I've done over the years![close]
Hopefully the super glue works for you, anytime I've used it a few sessions and it breaks free.[close]
I don't know how anyone gets this to hold. Unless you have access to top secret aerospace glues, JB Weld is basically the only thing you're going to find on the shelf that will hold that in place IME[close]
This video might help some of you struggling with it. You have to use a good epoxy - super glue isn't ever gonna cut it (ever!) and it doesn't work well with steel/metal anyway.
https://youtu.be/HGAmiSzPsc4
Apart from money, I still can't figure out why no truck companies have made a standard truck with a kingpin that sits much lower or come up with an alternative whereby the nut isn't under the baseplate.
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)
Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?
cool thanks. I’m the same and switch to harder bushings being 205lbs but ace classics I can rock stock. Guess I’m holding off a bit, no need to rush into it.Expand QuoteAnyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?
And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.[close]
Probably the loosest trucks I've ever rode.
I tend to prefer setting up trucks loose but with heavy bushings. That way they're loose at the beginning of the turn but you really have to dig in for those deep carves.
The AF1's almost feel like they don't have bushings at all, someone send Daewon a pair. But nah, the stock setup definitely is intended for light weight street guys. I can't imagine using them for transition without swapping the barrels. I can't seem to control the wheelbite at all with 53mm. By feel alone I would assume these were double conical like Thunder or Bones or something.
I'll try throwing risers on them later to see how it feels. I'm really hesitant to swap out the stock bushings right away. I went through the same thing with Classics where I just needed to be stubborn and break them in, but the AF1's definitely feel even looser than that. Or maybe my memory is clouded by broken in classics.
cool thanks. I’m the same and switch to harder bushings being 205lbs but ace classics I can rock stock. Guess I’m holding off a bit, no need to rush into it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone stripped the black hangers yet or anything?
And general consensus is that these seem looser than classics from reading the past few pages? Different top washer, softer bushing/pivot. Guess time will tell as people break them in. The warehouseskate deal is nice but I’m going to keep riding my 55 classics with riptide pivot cups.[close]
Probably the loosest trucks I've ever rode.
I tend to prefer setting up trucks loose but with heavy bushings. That way they're loose at the beginning of the turn but you really have to dig in for those deep carves.
The AF1's almost feel like they don't have bushings at all, someone send Daewon a pair. But nah, the stock setup definitely is intended for light weight street guys. I can't imagine using them for transition without swapping the barrels. I can't seem to control the wheelbite at all with 53mm. By feel alone I would assume these were double conical like Thunder or Bones or something.
I'll try throwing risers on them later to see how it feels. I'm really hesitant to swap out the stock bushings right away. I went through the same thing with Classics where I just needed to be stubborn and break them in, but the AF1's definitely feel even looser than that. Or maybe my memory is clouded by broken in classics.[close]
I set up some AF1s yesterday and Jesus the bushings are spongy. I am also 200lbs and I love loose trucks but I hope these will break in and firm up a bit.
I decided I'd blow some bonus pay money on a set of 66's and a wider board, giving these AF1's one last shot after being disappointed with the new 55's. Same fuckin deal, board sounds dead, sticky as fuck grind, and now even moreso i'm learning the extended wheelbase has totally fucked up the way the pop feels. Stock top washer also clicks super loud on this set every time I turn, too. Fuck these trucks.
I've ridden Indys with Bones medium for years now. I'm about the 200lb mark, and ride them with the kingpin nuts tightened flush.
I really like the surfy feel, and I ride hard wheels in the approved 52-54mm range so no biting issues. I'm just a curbs and ollies guy thanks to a horrible front knee, so stability for flip tricks isn't my top priority.
Have any of ya'll tried the Bones bushings in the Ace trucks (AF1 or Classic), and how did you feel about them in comparison the stock Ace setup?
Humor me for a moment, if you will.
Regarding the tall(ish) kingpin height and the resulting "need" to increase clearance through modification: rather than plop in an inverted kingpin and dealing with the compromises they entail, why not take an angle grinder, or cutting wheel to knock 2 mm off of the OEM kingpin, in situ, and then use an ACE "low" top bushing, (or any other 10 mm, conical, top bush that is approximately 5 duro harder than whichever 14 mm, barrel, bottom bushing you happen to be running) effectively preserving the exact baseplate-to-yoke dimension, thus maintaining the same geometry. So long as your top bush is 10 mm and 5 duro harder than a barrel bottom, the turning characteristics will be almost identical with the capability to adjust for rider weight whilst still running loose adjustment.
More clearance, no compromise, exact same turn, plus adjustability.
Note: my hypothetical scenario uses lower stock bushings, rather than the cut-down method that Brimmo & others have mentioned, because, if you're really going to get into truck madness, you're going to want to insist on retaining factory width at both the top AND bottom of your bushings, requiring a steeper taper, rather than simply lopping off the bottom, resulting in less width/material at its new wide end. By using lower factory bushings of 10 mm height (or less), the rebound pressure is exerted from the turn's initiation, as the inner lip of the yoke is already in contact with the outer edge of the bushing, so compression begins right away.
Seems like those with the tools to do this would benefit from this method rather than fucking around with inverted kingpins, which may, or may not be too tall to permit tightening them down, if THAT's how you run 'em.
As for me, I like to run all of my trucks as designed, so as to "best" experience their intended geos. Further, the inverted pins come with a set of problems of their own. why trade one prob for another, rather than resolving it, ya' know?
My'pologies if this matter has been thoroughly discussed previously in this thread.
Just talkin' out my ass here.
I've ridden Indys with Bones medium for years now. I'm about the 200lb mark, and ride them with the kingpin nuts tightened flush.
I really like the surfy feel, and I ride hard wheels in the approved 52-54mm range so no biting issues. I'm just a curbs and ollies guy thanks to a horrible front knee, so stability for flip tricks isn't my top priority.
Have any of ya'll tried the Bones bushings in the Ace trucks (AF1 or Classic), and how did you feel about them in comparison the stock Ace setup?
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)
Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?
haven’t broken in enough? Curious about thatExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)
Pretty clear the new top bushing shape is a response to the bush herniating from neath the top cup washer.
Any reports from new AF1 owners, re: bushing bulge?[close]
None, and I am cranked down an extra 1.5+ turns on stock, the redesign was clearly to address this.
Agree with the person earlier that said these are even looser. Its for sure the case.
Yo,
since im much too lazy to read 130 pages and the search function doesnt work for me i just got one question for you guys.
What size AF1 would you pick for a 8.75 Deck (AH Classic Eagle). 55 or 66.
Ordered the 55 cause i live in Germany and the 66 came in some days later after the other sizes. Impatient as fuck.
But im thinking maybe the 66 wouldve been the better choice....
Has anyone tried the Krux kingpin with the AF1’s? I run them in my current set of Indy hollows and love them, but I’m pretty sure the ace kp’s are longer than Indy’s (taller bushings, too). I wouldn’t want to mess up the geometry or have to run smaller sized bushings in the AF1’s.
I usually sand my bushings down a few millimetres with the classics. Will I even need to with the AF1s if they feel looser? Got a set at home I might set up this week as my current classics are down to the axle.
Expand QuoteI usually sand my bushings down a few millimetres with the classics. Will I even need to with the AF1s if they feel looser? Got a set at home I might set up this week as my current classics are down to the axle.[close]
Probably not. I ride mine factory loose
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI usually sand my bushings down a few millimetres with the classics. Will I even need to with the AF1s if they feel looser? Got a set at home I might set up this week as my current classics are down to the axle.[close]
Probably not. I ride mine factory loose[close]
Thanks, I’ll give them a go without messing with them.
I am surprised that stock, has a couple of kingpin threads showing, not a big deal but usually new trucks are flush; are the top bushings shorter now?I have one with one thread showing and one that's flush. Stock tightness isn't as precise as some may assume or maybe some kingpins have an extra thread or two, idk.
Top Bushings are the same size according to Ace.
I never would have thought truck companies, consistently tightened each and every truck they sell to the exact same point? Everyone tweaks things to their own preference, anyway.
I just got some classic 55s direct from Ace and there are definitely a few threads showing on one and a single thread showing on the other..I wonder do they torque the nuts down to a certain spec or what is the rhythm/reason to it? I was also wondering if these are different washers now, because I can't see the bushing bulge thing problem being possible with these? Either way I can't wait to skate them.
Thanks man I ended up just rocking them back forth while watching tv last night. Absolutely no problems with the herniated bushings and they stiffened almost to where I want them in less than 20 minutes. Being around 200 lbs probably helped speed that process up!Expand QuoteI just got some classic 55s direct from Ace and there are definitely a few threads showing on one and a single thread showing on the other..I wonder do they torque the nuts down to a certain spec or what is the rhythm/reason to it? I was also wondering if these are different washers now, because I can't see the bushing bulge thing problem being possible with these? Either way I can't wait to skate them.[close]
Yes, they upgraded the washers (and bushings).
Also, the stock bottoms on the AF1s are a few mm taller compared to classic bottoms (never ridden), it's like thunder bottom height; tops seem to be the same height. and the feel in hand is very different, hard to explain but they feel nice :P
I've not set them up yet but have loosened them to be flush. I know all manus do it differently but we all know from experience that sit always comes flush, this is the first new truck I've bought (and I buy too many) that has ever had threads showing. Even Theeve, which have taller kingpins like ACE never have extra threads showing.
Got some 44 AF1 to try, if the wheelbase is thaaaat close to Indy and they pinch better they could be my ticket.
Need some footie of Slap Truck Nerds rocking back and fore on their brand new AF1s on the living room carpet as they catch up on their Netflix shows.
Has anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?
There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.
It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.
Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.
Expand QuoteHas anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?
There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.
It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.
Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.[close]
I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?
There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.
It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.
Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.[close]
I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around![close]
Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.
Need some footie of Slap Truck Nerds rocking back and fore on their brand new AF1s on the living room carpet as they catch up on their Netflix shows.I will try to get an edit together..I had mid thigh running shorts on though so there will likely have to be a slight charge. My apologies.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?
There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.
It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.
Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.[close]
I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around![close]
Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.[close]
Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.
I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.
Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?
There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.
It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.
Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.[close]
I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around![close]
Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.[close]
Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.
I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.
Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.[close]
Fuck, now you have me worried about setting them up this weekend. 5050s are mostly all I do!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone who has been skating the AF1s noticed them to be weirdly/randomly sticky?
There is an enameled and waxed curb that I skated pretty often, and yesterday I skated it back to back with my classics and AF1s. With the latter, the grind would often stick or rapidly slow down after a very short distance.
It was a very strange and frustrating experience, especially after experiencing how well they ground on a couple other spots that I frequent.
Edit: I've had the issue at a couple spots, but I mention yesterday's session specifically because I got to skate both he Classics and AFs back to back.[close]
I said in this other thread that I got some 77's for a oldschool setup and I was trying to feeble slappy this crusty slappy curb but kept having a hardtime rolling away, so I tried with my normal set-up with worn down indy's and I did it within 2/3 tries. I had to wax the shit out of the curb to be able to roll away with the aces, but I wasn't sure if it was just the kingpin getting caught (my Indys kingpin is pretty worn down tbh), or the ace's that are sticky. They felt fine grinding the park long ledge with metal coping (but I guess nothing really sticks on that). Other than that they felt great cruising around![close]
Word, thank you, this makes me feel a little less crazy. so the kingpin on my 55 classics is pretty much fully exposed and sticks sometimes/is getting ground down, but on my AF1s I was sticking on like 5050s and crooks where my kingpin isn't even close to the curb.[close]
Just finished my first session on the 44 AF1 significantly worse grind than classics to me. I stuck on almost every ledge that I typically grind with ease.
I also ghost popped quite a bit with the different wheelbase. The flip tricks and pop came got better through the session but the grind never got better.
Going to give them one more session and I’ve there isn’t improvement I’m gonna have to go back to classics.[close]
Fuck, now you have me worried about setting them up this weekend. 5050s are mostly all I do![close]
I stuck on probably 65% of the grinds I tried today. The other 30% were done on transition. And the remaining 5 I either landed or they actually grinded and I just didn’t make the trick.
Sorry if this was asked before, but are 55 AF1s the 44 Classic equivalent? Skatedeluxe says both have 146mm hangers. AF1 44s supposedly have a 140mm hanger which is smaller than Indy 144s and puts them to 139 territory.
Well, I can now weigh in after a lot of reading this thread! I put AF1 77s on my Heroin 10" egg, and holy shit they feel totally different than Indys. I had to tighten the kingpin nuts until three or four threads were showing... something unheard of with my usual Indy/Bones mediums combo, which I run flush.
Very surfy, with a far narrower "neutral" center zone than I'm used to with my Indys and I would characterize them as more responsive.
56mm wheels on 1/8" risers, and wheel bite was easier than Indys. Even with the tightened kingpin nuts I was still needed to wax the wheel wells.
I've read that the bushings will stiffen up, but I'm a chonker at 200lbs so I'm sceptical that the stock bushings will hold up for me. Any big fellas got any experience in the area?
Expand QuoteWell, I can now weigh in after a lot of reading this thread! I put AF1 77s on my Heroin 10" egg, and holy shit they feel totally different than Indys. I had to tighten the kingpin nuts until three or four threads were showing... something unheard of with my usual Indy/Bones mediums combo, which I run flush.
Very surfy, with a far narrower "neutral" center zone than I'm used to with my Indys and I would characterize them as more responsive.
56mm wheels on 1/8" risers, and wheel bite was easier than Indys. Even with the tightened kingpin nuts I was still needed to wax the wheel wells.
I've read that the bushings will stiffen up, but I'm a chonker at 200lbs so I'm sceptical that the stock bushings will hold up for me. Any big fellas got any experience in the area?[close]
6'3" and 205. Mine stiffened up after about an hour and firmed up a bit more over the next few sessions. I started them 1/2 turn tighter from how they came and have since loosened them 1/4 turn.
Expand QuoteSorry if this was asked before, but are 55 AF1s the 44 Classic equivalent? Skatedeluxe says both have 146mm hangers. AF1 44s supposedly have a 140mm hanger which is smaller than Indy 144s and puts them to 139 territory.[close]
Yes, AF1 55s and 44 classics are basically the same, slightly longer axle on the 55 AF1s.
Top Bushings are the same size according to Ace.
I never would have thought truck companies, consistently tightened each and every truck they sell to the exact same point? Everyone tweaks things to their own preference, anyway.
have had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/
My AF1 55s arrived in the mail today. One of the trucks had what appeared to be a large strand of human female hair wedged between the top bushing and washer. Hopefully that’s a good omen... ?
I’ve really been enjoying the Ace classics 55s for the past few months on a few setups. Looking forward to trying the AF1s soon
Just ordered some 55 AF1s in........
.....gold. ugh.
stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thundersExpand Quotehave had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/[close]
Stock bushings and setup, or changed?
More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.
My AF1 55s arrived in the mail today. One of the trucks had what appeared to be a large strand of human female hair wedged between the top bushing and washer. Maybe it’s a new personal touch they’ve added to the manufacturing process... ?
I’ve really been enjoying the Ace classics 55s for the past few months on a few setups. Looking forward to trying the AF1s soon
stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thundersExpand QuoteExpand Quotehave had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/[close]
Stock bushings and setup, or changed?
More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.[close]
Well I have a friend who knows someone who works in the warehouse. Luckily I am somewhat close to it so hopefully I can get sorted out. To be honest, I’m sort of excited to try thunders again. It’s been a minuteExpand Quotestock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thundersExpand QuoteExpand Quotehave had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/[close]
Stock bushings and setup, or changed?
More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.[close][close]
Bummer about the response to your issue. DLX would not treat a customer that way... If only DLX made a truck that turned like old Indys.
stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thundersExpand QuoteExpand Quotehave had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/[close]
Stock bushings and setup, or changed?
More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.[close]
Expand Quotestock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thundersExpand QuoteExpand Quotehave had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/[close]
Stock bushings and setup, or changed?
More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.[close][close]
Pretty wack to hear. Is there a sharp edge or lip either on the hanger nub or the cavity of the pivot cup? You said the riptides tore as well, almost sounds like there's a stray edge somewhere fucking things up.
what is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size? the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.The closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.
I've only had about 30 mins on the trucks butpretty common knowledge on here that you have to break them in over 2-3 sessions, I took slap’s advice and my 44s turned out to be amazing
This happens with almost every truck company as well. I love thunders but their bushings feel terrible for the first session or two. Most truck company bushings are fine after a bit of time. Imo ace are a step above thoughpretty common knowledge on here that you have to break them in over 2-3 sessions, I took slap’s advice and my 44s turned out to be amazingExpand QuoteI've only had about 30 mins on the trucks but[close]
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.[close]
Nice. If anyone's ever seen him skate in person you could hear his Thunders rattling from a block away. Full on Matt Rod loose, so Ace makes a ton of sense.
stock bushings. I’m super annoyed. went to the dms (like a man) and received a passive aggressive response. guess it’s back to thundersExpand QuoteExpand Quotehave had mine since the day after they came out and my pivot cup is already fucked. got after market riptides and those tore in the first session. i’m not even that big so i think maybe i have a fucked up baseplate. pretty upset to say the least :/[close]
Stock bushings and setup, or changed?
More curious than anything, but I know lower bottom bushings blow out pivot cups a whole lot and Ace has such a tall bottom bushing.[close]
Just ordered some 55 AF1s in........
.....gold. ugh.
Got a 9" board with lots of taper. 66s wont work.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSorry if this was asked before, but are 55 AF1s the 44 Classic equivalent? Skatedeluxe says both have 146mm hangers. AF1 44s supposedly have a 140mm hanger which is smaller than Indy 144s and puts them to 139 territory.[close]
Yes, AF1 55s and 44 classics are basically the same, slightly longer axle on the 55 AF1s.[close]
Slightly longer hanger also.
The closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.Expand Quotewhat is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size? the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.[close]
Expand QuoteThe closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.Expand Quotewhat is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size? the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.[close][close]
Classic 66 are 9.35. AF-1 77s are 9.5
pretty common knowledge on here that you have to break them in over 2-3 sessions, I took slap’s advice and my 44s turned out to be amazingExpand QuoteI've only had about 30 mins on the trucks but[close]
all those schizoids talm bout Indy plants in the Ace thread are suddenly quiet now that more people are posting about how these AF1's aren't that great and already have QC issues ;D
Expand Quotepretty common knowledge on here that you have to break them in over 2-3 sessions, I took slap’s advice and my 44s turned out to be amazingExpand QuoteI've only had about 30 mins on the trucks but[close][close]
I will keep skating them for the next few days. Just never seen a truck pull so hard like that. I know it takes a while to break in trucks, so I will see what the next few days will show.
Expand Quoteall those schizoids talm bout Indy plants in the Ace thread are suddenly quiet now that more people are posting about how these AF1's aren't that great and already have QC issues ;D[close]
lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in. throw the whole trucks away, total failure. better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half
5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate. maybe I'm an Ace plant?
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteall those schizoids talm bout Indy plants in the Ace thread are suddenly quiet now that more people are posting about how these AF1's aren't that great and already have QC issues ;D[close]
lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in. throw the whole trucks away, total failure. better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half
5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate. maybe I'm an Ace plant?[close]
you are so mad over trucks dude, it's hilarious. definition of an internet tough guy. i went back to my several years old 44's, no indy's for me. you skipped all the reviews after mine, btw. like the one with the faulty pivot cavity cutting someone's riptides and the numerous reports of quiet trucks from these new stock pivot cups. "most precise truck ever made"...mmk. glad yours are working out.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteall those schizoids talm bout Indy plants in the Ace thread are suddenly quiet now that more people are posting about how these AF1's aren't that great and already have QC issues ;D[close]
lol, QC issues = come clicking from the pivot cup for a session or two while the trucks break in. throw the whole trucks away, total failure. better back to my Indy's where the hangers literally crack in half
5th session on mine, and they get better every time I skate. maybe I'm an Ace plant?[close]
you are so mad over trucks dude, it's hilarious. definition of an internet tough guy. i went back to my several years old 44's, no indy's for me. you skipped all the reviews after mine, btw. like the one with the faulty pivot cavity cutting someone's riptides and the numerous reports of quiet trucks from these new stock pivot cups. "most precise truck ever made"...mmk. glad yours are working out.
My bad I knew I shouldn't have freeballed itExpand QuoteThe closest in size is the Classic 66 which is 9.25 to the 169s 9.125. As far as AF1s go, the new 77s are 9.35 so a little bigger and then you are looking at AF1 66 at 9. The bigger sizes are kinda between Indy sizes with no exact 159 or 169.Expand Quotewhat is the closest ace truck to an indy 169 in size? the ace website has the axel length for the 55 standards listed at 9" but they also say they have oversized axels. I just want to find something that is close in size to the 169 indy.[close][close]
Classic 66 are 9.35. AF-1 77s are 9.5
After one week on my AF1 44's here's my observations:
- Once the bushings broke-in (this is key) the turn doesn't feel noticeably different nor does the pop (depending on the deck). Once the bushings broke-in they felt a little more stable at center than classics but still a bit more squirrely than Indy. I think the slight difference in stability is more attributable to the bushings and pivots than anything else.
- Bushings are great so far! They took me about 3 full days of skating to break-in. Thunder and Indy stock usually take me about 2 hours of skating. So yeah, a little more patience is required. You have to reserve judgment on these trucks until they break-in! I did not like them at all on day one. I normally like my trucks around medium-loose so I went with two quarter turns past flush on the front and three on the back truck. Super loose with a lot of wheelbite at first but once they broke-in I decided no more adjusting was necessary. I'm 6'0" and 185lbs if that helps. Bushings are staying strangely white too, unlike turning black almost instantly on classics. After break-in they re-center reasonably well too.
- Bushing muffining, didn't happen, at all. Always happened to me on classics. The bushings knew their place and made no escape attempts.
- Height/Wheelbase are almost exactly the same as where an Indy with forged baseplates would be. No, I didn't measure, I simply lined up the baseplate holes and eyeballed it. Might be a mm or two difference but it's negligible in my opinion. I didn't have any older classics anymore to compare, sorry.
- Weight is a little heavy. I didn't weigh them but since my other trucks are Indy Ti and Thunder Hollows I expected them to feel a bit heavier. The good news is when actually riding them I didn't really notice much difference at all. Just holding one in the hand I'd say it feels a bit lighter than a standard Indy and around the same as a Venture with cast plates and solid axles.
- The grind is definitely different. I'd put them somewhere between Thunder and Venture. Closer to Thunder at the park on metal coping and waxed ledges and a little more in-between the two on curbs and rougher surfaces. If you're coming from Indy you may have to go a bit faster depending on the surface. I like it though, very controlled and consistent and they don't wear down as fast as classics.
- The pivots seem okay. Mine are still quiet and intact with no signs of falling apart way too quickly. There is definitely something in them. Either some sort of oil or grease or something. It's not a lot but I noticed a black substance being pushed out onto the stem of the truck hanger after skating the first few times. I'm usually a Riptide pivot person as part of setting up new trucks but decided to give the stock a chance. If they go to shit or start squeaking I'll update.
- The axles are great! No more stacking washers etc so they don't stick out so far. I've ridden them with some quantum bearings and the stock washers as well as with some Bones race reds without washers and all four wheels spun great while tightening them down all the way. The edge of the aluminum hanger is definitely flush with the bearings so no issues there. As far as the "oversized to eliminate bearing wobble" axle thickness, I didn't notice anything different since I tighten things down. I guess that might help out those who leave some play in their wheels but I have no idea.
I'm riding them with the new Ace 1/8" risers and 56mm wheels. I also tried out the Ace 1/16" shock pads and unlike others they didn't squish out from underneath the baseplate and maintained their shape. My preferred riser these days are the Real 3 Ply wooden ones. If anyone tries out their "Universal" pattern with Ace please let me know how they fit. If I get some myself I'll update. I was able to use Shorty's 7/8" with the shock pad and just barely got Shorty's 1" to work with the regular riser pads. You may have to go up to 1 1/8" depending on the thickness of your wood (pun intended).
In Conclusion: The Ace AF1's will be replacing Indy on one of my cruisers, my larger park setup and my "shitty Belgian streets" setup with 56mm 97A Spitfire wheels. I'll be sticking with Thunder on my smaller setups as I find my meager arsenal of flip tricks comes easier with Thunder. Yes, I'm a quiver skater. The surfaces and spots here are all so varied there's no one and done setup that works I've found.
I'll do my best to answer any questions. I hope this all helps out some.
P.S. These trucks arrive in a plastic bag and have a lot of polish or preservative on them. Unless you want blackish blue meteor shit all over your hands they require a decent wipe down. I actually dampened a microfiber and cleaned then dried them. The rag was almost completely black after I was done.
thank you and welcome to slap
It's a pretty simple conclusion tbh. If you ride tight trucks (GAY) then stick with your ventures and thunders (or whatever) that don't really turn properly (they just lean to the sides) but if you actually like turning / carving and having that loose surfy turn then you're just not gonna find a truck that turns anywhere like Ace. The closest u can get is tweaking Indy's but even then you cant get them as loose as ace with good centering.
(https://i.ibb.co/fY0bYm0/D809099-B-B9-F5-4-C51-934-F-285-FE293-AD0-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fY0bYm0)
anyone know how long it takes for ace customer service to get back to you? i submitted photos and everything a day and a half ago and i’m getting sort of impatient. I’m a broke ass college kid so i’m kinda bummed about my new trucks already being fucked
The stock Ace ones are plastic as well. Plastic isn't actually bad to use for pivot cups. It just depends on the molds and quality of plastic used. Plastic will be less likely to deform than urethane (see the comments from Xen and I regarding Krux stock pivot cups which are urethane).
Basically a hard plastic pivot cup can crack and blow out. Urethane pivot cups will wear gradually and create slop. I personally think it's more important to use something that doesn't change the geometry of the pivot which is why I use the stock indy and thunder cups.
@Murge it looks like if you just download them from imagebb they're JPGs, but if I am missing something let me know and I got you.
Sucks about the pivot cups. I really like how they feel.
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Is it just the angle? The classic looks way lower at the yoke (old bushing maybe?) and just lower overall.
did you notice any burrs or anything sharp or unfinished feeling in your pivot cup cavity?
oh it def could just be defective. I just saw someone say there was a sharp thing in theres and was curious how common that is. I’m gonna check mine when my kiddo napsQuote from: MurgeExpand Quotedid you notice any burrs or anything sharp or unfinished feeling in your pivot cup cavity?[close]
Didn’t even think to look. Thanks! I’ll check it out. With the way it split so perfectly I just figured it was defective.
Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic
but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65
cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while
could be my head too tho
cheers
I bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.
Expand QuoteNot sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic
but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65
cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while
could be my head too tho
cheers[close]
Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.
haha dude who names himself "toey jershay" and made an account specifically to post about trucks says that I am "mad" about trucks...
i don't really give that much of a fuck about trucks. just turn ok and don't break. don't give a shit about squeaking, micrometers of difference in wheelbase, wheelbite, wheels sticking out/in. AF1s are the first trucks I've been excited about in a long time. they just feel good.
Fuck if I know, I’m not out here bombing hills. They extend the wheelbase? Can’t tell. There’s no resistance, it’s just straight to wheelbite.Expand QuoteI bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.[close]
How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.
Expand QuoteI bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.[close]
How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.
Hello, just giving some additional pieces of information that might be helpful for people who are thinking about purchasing. I haven't ridden them at all so I cannot truly say how they are for now but there are two things that stand out to me after tinkering around
One: the old Riptide ace pivot cups seem to be a great fit still for the new trucks. The new ace pivot cup comes already greased and feels VERY soft in terms of squishing it with my fingers (might have to do with that "melting" issue that another user posted about). Side by side, the ace pivots and the riptides are listed both as 96A but the ace pivots are clearly much softer. They also seem to have a bigger outer band/thickness when looking straight down them.
(https://i.ibb.co/N2hk6x0/image1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N2hk6x0)
Two: The top bushing has a much sharper cone shape than the classics. The top circumference for the new bushings is much smaller. I found this out when changing the top washer for a flat one, which I do in every truck (same with the riptides actually). I'll post a picture of the differences in the top bushing. Bottom bushings are pretty much the same
(https://i.ibb.co/4wkdr28/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4wkdr28)
Etc. I know this isn't too helpful given that I haven't ridden the trucks yet and isn't meant to say anything about the quality of the trucks, but I thought i'd let you guys know because it was interesting for me to find out
Expand QuoteI bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.[close]
How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic
but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65
cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while
could be my head too tho
cheers[close]
Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.[close]
I’m pretty sure they’re a little higher than 51. I think closer to a true 53 based on a video I saw on YouTube
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI bought some 8.5s and I can’t fucking skate these. Way too loose. Got like 5 threads showing.[close]
How are they at very high speeds? Indys feel solid and intuitive at high speeds whereas Ace classics feel scary and wobbly (of course Indys have shortcomings as well). Are these even wobblier? I figured the extended wheelbase would make them feel a lot more solid than the classics.[close]
If you didn't like the Aces before, you aren't going to like the AF1s. They're extremely carvy right out of the box, even if you crank that kingpin nut down. The very slight WB extension doesnt affect much.
WB length is only a part of the whole. Thunders have that insane tendency to bite despite having an even longer WB than any Ace/Indy. This pic of the newer AF1 bushings is pretty telling, the more aggressive cone shape (probably to stop the muffin-ing) is gonna be way more squirrely than the classic. Add to that the new pivot cups being softer than soft...and greased.
Pivot cups are $.50...Not any that will fit the new AF1...
What risers fits ace trucks? Gonna try a set for a cruiser setup and need some risers for the big wheels. Got some indy risers will they sit flush on ace baseplates?ive been able to get indy risers to sit flush, just don’t use the mounting holes on the riser, instead force it through the middle open area of the riser
ive been able to get indy risers to sit flush, just don’t use the mounting holes on the riser, instead force it through the middle open area of the riserExpand QuoteWhat risers fits ace trucks? Gonna try a set for a cruiser setup and need some risers for the big wheels. Got some indy risers will they sit flush on ace baseplates?[close]
Anyone with issues get a response from Ace yet? I just want a replacement pivot in hope's that mine was just a dud. Can't get them on email or IG. They certainly are active on social media though. With it blowing out within a week of some very non-aggressive skating I would hope it's something they would cover. My Riptide's are working fine, even if they don't hug the stem of the hanger like the Ace pivots do and seem to make them feel a bit more squirrely. I just wanted to go stock for a bit and see how it went.
P.S. I could see nothing weird going on in the pivot area of the baseplate. It seems my pivot was just defective or something and gave out.
P.S.S. Those talking about wheel-bite aren't kidding. Even after breaking them in I'm still nervous about deep carves. Something I don't recall being an issue with my classics. Still liking them, just need to get this pivot crap sorted and perhaps go back to 54mm wheels after stepping up to 56 w/risers.
Expand QuoteAnyone with issues get a response from Ace yet? I just want a replacement pivot in hope's that mine was just a dud. Can't get them on email or IG. They certainly are active on social media though. With it blowing out within a week of some very non-aggressive skating I would hope it's something they would cover. My Riptide's are working fine, even if they don't hug the stem of the hanger like the Ace pivots do and seem to make them feel a bit more squirrely. I just wanted to go stock for a bit and see how it went.
P.S. I could see nothing weird going on in the pivot area of the baseplate. It seems my pivot was just defective or something and gave out.
P.S.S. Those talking about wheel-bite aren't kidding. Even after breaking them in I'm still nervous about deep carves. Something I don't recall being an issue with my classics. Still liking them, just need to get this pivot crap sorted and perhaps go back to 54mm wheels after stepping up to 56 w/risers.[close]
I still haven’t heard back.
Pivot cups are $.50...
Not a good look for a $65 truck...
Is this a common thing with the AF1s at this point?
While I’m too lazy to measure I’m running mine with 56mm wheels and haven’t died so it has to be taller hahExpand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic
but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65
cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while
could be my head too tho
cheers[close]
Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that they’re 51mm high? Coming from Indy’s (55mm) that’s a steep jump, especially considering I’ve been downsizing my wheels.[close]
I’m pretty sure they’re a little higher than 51. I think closer to a true 53 based on a video I saw on YouTube
After a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition. Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.
Street - not so much. I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak. Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.
I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail. The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.
Not a quiver buster truck. I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.
Tactics has the AF1s for $63-$66 now. Congrats everyone that got them for $50 lol
Expand QuoteAfter a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition. Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.
Street - not so much. I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak. Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.
I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail. The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.
Not a quiver buster truck. I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.[close]
It may help, if you put your backfoot more towards the bolts. I cant skate some trucks/decks with my foot on the tip.
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?
(https://i.imgur.com/tUSGEBL.jpg)I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.
Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?
Expand QuoteSo...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?[close]
Yeah, I don't really get the point of the re-threading tool. If it's significantly damaged and you can only access it from one side, you will typically need split-rethreading tool. The included tool is better than nothing, but handing skaters a thread chasing tool with no cutting oil, no lever, and presumably no experience operating such a tool just means you're going to end up with a lot of cross-threaded (and still equally useless) axles.
it very well could be the actual seat the cup is in as well. i had my regular stock ones as well as riptides break on me in a very short amount of time. I would recommend trying to just get new base plates.I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/tUSGEBL.jpg)
Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.[close]
it very well could be the actual seat the cup is in as well. i had my regular stick ones as well as riptides break on my in a very short amount of time. I would recommend trying to just get new base plates.Expand QuoteI had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/tUSGEBL.jpg)
Here’s the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.[close][close]
I’m thinking it’s something with where the pivot cup sits or the geo. Because how weird is it that at this point everyone’s pivot cup that busted (mine included ) is all just the front truck. Like we all just got one bad pivot in our set of trucks and all just so happen to use the bad one as the front? Or there’s an issue with the geo and pressure on the front truck we all are doing that busts the pivot.more stress is incurred on the front truck during steering than the back. if you were to skate your board backwards, the other pivot cup would soon go bye-bye as well
The price of 'the turn.'
So what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?
has me thinking about the potential for a well designed dual-durometer pivot cup with some kind of hard plastic reinforcement, you'd have to do it right though because I imagine that a more complicated design like that could introduce new pathways for failure
Expand QuoteSo what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?[close]
Wouldn't the slight WB extension plant them firmly in Stage 7/8 territory? My 8's sit right between Classics and Stage 11's as far as WB goes. And I never remember the pivot cups blowing out back then (only the axles slipping like it was a selling point).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?[close]
Wouldn't the slight WB extension plant them firmly in Stage 7/8 territory? My 8's sit right between Classics and Stage 11's as far as WB goes. And I never remember the pivot cups blowing out back then (only the axles slipping like it was a selling point).[close]
No idea. I just know that Ace were based on Stage III Indys. Don't know if the Classics are an exact clone of that model, or if the new ones mimic Stage VII or VIII.
Expand Quotehas me thinking about the potential for a well designed dual-durometer pivot cup with some kind of hard plastic reinforcement, you'd have to do it right though because I imagine that a more complicated design like that could introduce new pathways for failure[close]
Hard on the outside, soft inner? probably tricky to do that with as much direct pain pivot cups get (tho they do it with wheels).
Coming from 159 Forged Hollow and Tensor ATG Maglights, I set these ACE 55s up on and 8.5 and fuck me the board is heavy/tankish.
the back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.
Expand Quotethe back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.[close]
The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.
I checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethe back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.[close]
The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.[close]
As said, yes it is usually the metal washers moving against the kingpin, more often than not being the point between the bottom washer and baseplate, or the top washer and kingpin nut.
Things I have seen done with what seemed like permanent success include putting tape round the kingpin up to the point just under where the nut goes on and putting something on the washers / between washers and baseplate / kingpin nut, either tape or even something else, but the tape around the kingpin stops all that movement better than anything else.
After changing over bushings and metal washers it can sometimes come or go a lot more, which is curious, but can also happen on brand new trucks too, often depending on how much the nut is tightened down, as it is the force of turning that puts pressure on the bushings and nut to the point it moves ever so slightly, causing the click sound from side to side.
Expand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
Expand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethe back truck has developed this annoyingly loud clicking sound which I believe to be the kingpin either being loose or not seated correctly or something.[close]
The clicking, in my experience, is the washer rocking on the kingpin. The washer seams to be skipping across the threads on the kingpin. I think this can be fixed with a round file to ease the inside edges of the washer hole. I tested this theory, sort of, by waxing the king pin and washer when I reassembled mine, and it went away. It did come back in the next session, but I didn’t notice it after warming up.[close]
As said, yes it is usually the metal washers moving against the kingpin, more often than not being the point between the bottom washer and baseplate, or the top washer and kingpin nut.
Things I have seen done with what seemed like permanent success include putting tape round the kingpin up to the point just under where the nut goes on and putting something on the washers / between washers and baseplate / kingpin nut, either tape or even something else, but the tape around the kingpin stops all that movement better than anything else.
After changing over bushings and metal washers it can sometimes come or go a lot more, which is curious, but can also happen on brand new trucks too, often depending on how much the nut is tightened down, as it is the force of turning that puts pressure on the bushings and nut to the point it moves ever so slightly, causing the click sound from side to side.[close]
Seems like the clicking is just a new truck issue? If not, a little tightning of the kingpin and or the tape thing sounds like the sulotion. Also Ace & thunder seems to be the polar opposites in geo so i can Imagine its a big change coming from thunder.
Im so stoked to setup my af1s on the cruiser. I've only ridden the classics a handfull of times but boy do they turn good.
How do you guys go about breaking them in? I remember reading about the classics that its best to ride them at stock tightness for some time before tightning it down.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.[close]
Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.[close]
Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.[close]
Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.[close]
Why? Just stick some riptide pivot cups in and voila. No brainer...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.[close]
Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI checked the pivot cups of my af 1's today and after about 20-25 hours of allround skating they are in perfect condition. Maybe I had just luck with my set or it is because of the fact that I'm build like a greyhound and weigh around 135 lbs. I run them a little bit looser than stock tightness (nut sits flush with kingpin)[close]
I run mine stock(the kingpin just peeking above the nut) and weigh about 180-185 and mine are in great shape also. Really feel bad for the guys with theirs getting fucked up though. I've put in about 20 hours on mine mainly street with bits of transition and curbs.
Are any of you guys blowing yours out skating mainly curbs? Not that that's an excuse for them blowing out so quickly, just curious.[close]
Oh yeah. I’m about 160lbs and I blew out my pivot cups in 20 min skating curbs and went straight back to indys.[close]
Makes me wonder if the new pivot cups need some time to break in similar to bushings. My first day on them was some light ledge skating and flatground. No curbs until I probably had 4 sessions on them
Anyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.
Expand QuoteAnyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.[close]
I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.[close]
I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.[close]
Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.[close]
I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.[close]
Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.[close]
A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.
Are flat washers worth buying?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.[close]
I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.[close]
Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.[close]
A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.
Are flat washers worth buying?[close]
Depends on what you are after?
Flat washers allow the most distortion (especially sideways) of the bushing. If you ride loose flat is the way to go (especially before you try no washers at all).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone ever skated Aces without the bottom washer? Want to have them just over the edge of wobbly/rattling. Riding Af1's with the new bushings and all that.[close]
I do. I couldn’t get the AF1s loose enough so I removed the bottom washer and put a wider top washer on. The turn is much better now but I still prefer the grind and turn of the classics.[close]
Got ya. I went ahead and took mine out of the front truck at least. I usually run flat washers on top but until I get some I'll keep the stock up there. I like my front truck loose and my back a little more secure.[close]
A few people at the skatepark tried my board the other day and acted like I was a psycho for riding it so loose. So do whatever works best for you, of course. I’m also 150lbs, so I’m lighter than some others which makes a difference.
Are flat washers worth buying?
I use these:
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack
Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).
Expand QuoteI use these:
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack
Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).[close]
I think I want to give these a try on my AF1 55’s. The constant clicking of the stock washer is maddening.
They fit the Ace bushings well?
Have you tried their machined cupped washers? I’m hoping one of these types of washers will improve the feel of the AF1’s for me.
I use these:
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack
Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).
I use these:
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/54091/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washer-cone-sleeved-washer-combo-pack-four-pack
Gives that bones action with any bushing (bottoms last forever).
First Session on them, 20 minutes into it and the cup started getting fucked up. Pics are from a 1hr 45min session:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jDOdmG5w4snOsATMSINNi41mDOpX7QlKhhAnFV_7QIEp_DNqQHiXf_BYW9Epx01pVPkRe4kvb3wavgxzea1hF9TnH7C3Sz6gwnUGJghujxCkPp1kCDAVU369tJFVtaIMODZGusk2Cf0=w2400)
The culprit:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ItM_fU2sdfi2tWVAYmRKsSU3juogf2J1eD4NbGgTBM_5jhG3TYzU6pc6GIxRtd9tpgtS5x1lKgu56IOd4CRXnOyydNZc9LD4zcQ68w3V6eipXhpdTqRgNw_qVFSKAH1NCgcB4c6z-3E=w2400)
Someone else posted the exact same issue, it's a flaw in the pivot cavity (I assume it's there to begin with and not something that deforms first skate); it's not rounded/smooth so when you lean into that area it's going to deform/cut the cup leading to it blowing out.
I'm over it, heavy low-tech truck with continued shitty QC.
That said, that turn is sooo on point (I loosened them a turn or so to get the nut flush as I had threads showing stock), zero break in or adjustment, they feel that good. Grind-wise they felt fine, harder than classics and out of the gate, dare I say smoother/easier to grind than Indy/Thunder/Venture.
Oh well, back to Indy/Tensor.
Expand QuoteFirst Session on them, 20 minutes into it and the cup started getting fucked up. Pics are from a 1hr 45min session:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jDOdmG5w4snOsATMSINNi41mDOpX7QlKhhAnFV_7QIEp_DNqQHiXf_BYW9Epx01pVPkRe4kvb3wavgxzea1hF9TnH7C3Sz6gwnUGJghujxCkPp1kCDAVU369tJFVtaIMODZGusk2Cf0=w2400)
The culprit:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ItM_fU2sdfi2tWVAYmRKsSU3juogf2J1eD4NbGgTBM_5jhG3TYzU6pc6GIxRtd9tpgtS5x1lKgu56IOd4CRXnOyydNZc9LD4zcQ68w3V6eipXhpdTqRgNw_qVFSKAH1NCgcB4c6z-3E=w2400)
Someone else posted the exact same issue, it's a flaw in the pivot cavity (I assume it's there to begin with and not something that deforms first skate); it's not rounded/smooth so when you lean into that area it's going to deform/cut the cup leading to it blowing out.
I'm over it, heavy low-tech truck with continued shitty QC.
That said, that turn is sooo on point (I loosened them a turn or so to get the nut flush as I had threads showing stock), zero break in or adjustment, they feel that good. Grind-wise they felt fine, harder than classics and out of the gate, dare I say smoother/easier to grind than Indy/Thunder/Venture.
Oh well, back to Indy/Tensor.[close]
Bummer. I skated my AFs for about a week and then went back my classics, which I prefer overall. When I get home I'm going to look and see if the pivot cavity is deformed at all.
New frontiers in blowing it on a huge, hyped up product launch from Ace.
Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.they sent you another set of baseplates or another set of pivot cups? they just sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issue
I took some better pics:
Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)
Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)
Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)
Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)
ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).
If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.
Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
they sent you another set of baseplates or another set of pivot cups? they just sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issueExpand QuoteTook apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.
I took some better pics:
Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)
Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)
Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)
Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)
ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).
If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.
Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.[close]
Expand Quotethey sent you another set of baseplates or another set of pivot cups? they just sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issueExpand QuoteTook apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.
I took some better pics:
Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)
Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)
Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)
Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)
ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).
If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.
Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.[close][close]
Another pair of AF1 55s and extra cups "for good measure"...baseplates that aren't fucked would have also been fine+new cups.
My guess is if you say my cups are fucked, they'll shoot you over new cups, hell of a lot cheaper than new trucks. If you have the plate issues I'd take some photos and get after them. I know @Murge had the exact issue I did before I set mine up.
I'm dismantling the replacement set to make sure there's not machining issues before I skate them.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethey sent you another set of baseplates or another set of pivot cups? they just sent me a new pivot cups. I doubt it’s going to fix the issueExpand QuoteTook apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.
I took some better pics:
Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)
Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)
Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pdn4PmQwxCqa29pTcniDX7yCRD24IUhkO1j1ykAI1GzRFdpuyTr4zRWuIBPdvksHbPSCczFFdRUdBQUChsxOTfgig1QqN-6GJFAJL_awAXoWVmZUYReVShpeLmbKUZ1s4CtGEddCdFw=w2400)
Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hhAYE7T532rIJl4I9cQ5Hem6bKgfyAo8kflfL5Kb2ZNoeYZB8r97_RxTgLd10HflXMkiMmpuceqPlJPja9qKx8HPcuHxfAnA9Y-78Y7We2GZ1sUO8aqqUN-8ja9LJKLOlTAIBW16ptw=w2400)
ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).
If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.
Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.[close][close]
Another pair of AF1 55s and extra cups "for good measure"...baseplates that aren't fucked would have also been fine+new cups.
My guess is if you say my cups are fucked, they'll shoot you over new cups, hell of a lot cheaper than new trucks. If you have the plate issues I'd take some photos and get after them. I know @Murge had the exact issue I did before I set mine up.
I'm dismantling the replacement set to make sure there's not machining issues before I skate them.[close]
That’s exactly what mine looked like. The nick on mine was smooth and not sharp almost like a dent. I only had one on the front truck. But they just sent me 4 pivot cups (2 sets) and a bunch of stickers. I did get them in the mail in only a few days. When I replaced the pivot cup I replaced the back truck pivot cup too. The back truck seemed fine and so did the pivot cup cavity. I skated on them for an hour or 2 and haven’t had another issue but I only got that one session in after changing the pivot cups. The replacement cups did seem harder than the stock ones.
Did ace send you a new baseplate @Xen? If so I’m gonna try and get a new baseplate too! Haha
I skate the classics and my kingpins always come loose. I have jb welded them but that only lasts a couple weeks then back to the rattle. Has anyone had an issue with this with the af1s?
Xen, good lord, that last photo.... Looks like someone went at with a hand drill and a wood bit, no pivot cup is surviving that shit. Good to hear it's not a universal issue (and that they took care of you), manufacturing fuck ups happen and all, but that's pretty rough...literally.
Took apart both trucks again (the truck with the cup shredding was the rear truck); Both plates have the issue and you can clearly see that's it due to a machining error as there is a 'swirl' mark leading directly from the 'nick' on the plate. The 'black residue' was present on the hanger pivot as well but it hadn't begun to creep out.
I took some better pics:
Back truck plate:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lgspHUkuGimSMKiIe1d1IfBqYUXjI6ryCtSM7DhGTKqbh-xyot2yZD0eCyK-XGmItswWtGcpAjJep5iQBFK8RDBD-SYoGlva1E_OrqQl3oQ9HhBNXYA6XkvgfHK10NexiZgZSi5Ak1g=w2400)
Back truck and rotated the cup to better see the 'nick':
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/GMlzGSHbam9Y3wsjd7RyH-icVW7FWN4WhdM4-5wh_SMkDiEGGxIzhVi9wtQYlRStXg3an3z3cIcNtA4OZVnJSzSn732N0HIhGR9VN3bYY98ULfElEoHe8twXhsn5GFLl8B16HmmC1eI=w2400)
Front plate (clearly not as bad but it's still there)
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Both plates (front plate is the closest to the camera and you can clearly see the machining marks):
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ACE got back to me real quick and are backing them by sending out another set and extra cups. They've also noted that they've seen a few of these cases (but said new cups solved it; not sure those that had the issue took them apart and saw what I saw and sent them pics). I was thanked for the pics as it will help them isolate/solve the issue in future runs (we can hope).
If anyone hasn't set them up, I'd highly suggest taking them apart and checking your cavities.
Also, they are under Mesa Dist., along with Uma.
Has anyone tried the old base plates with the new hangers and bushings?I asked a few posts up. Still no takers I guess.
always first...to have an issue. god damn ace, how embarrassing after all the hype. some of you guys might need to switch to krux or something that's gender non-conforming, too. joey t been posting anti-israel and anti-vax stuff on his stories. ;D
It seems pretty clear that Ace may have screwed more than a few pooches in the QC dept with this roll out.
It’s even more clear that username Toey Jershay = Rhino.
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It’s even more clear that username Toey Jershay = Rhino.[close]
Someone should film themselves throwing a tantrum in the parking lot of Ace headquarters
#FuckAceTrucks #neverbuyingfromacetrucksagain
Isn’t that dent done by the hanger digging into it? Like when carving deep the part that goes into the pivot slams the sides and creates the dent. I remember a few years back in my first set of aces 33 the pivot cavity was getting wider and turning oval with a lot of wiggle room. They actually started turning like shit after that. Then I got axle slip on both trucks a bit after and gave them away.
I saw that and it made me to commit to finally setting up my AF1 55s and 66s.... I've got to know...
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!that was filmed and editted like stallion, also cant ronnie get some shorter hardware?
Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
The price of 'the turn.'
I never had pivot cups prematurely blow out in the classics.
But when I have worn out pivot cups in any truck, I kind of like that fucked up, loose rattle.
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!
Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
Woah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!
Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54
Expand QuoteWoah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!
Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54[close]
How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin? ???
How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin? ???
Expand QuoteWoah the Ace thread deep on page 2. Been awhile!!
Anyway, these test things are kinda cheesy typically, but this one is alright (and relevant to our interests in this thread), and its THEE hottest topic in trucks.
How do the AF1s grind for Ronnie Sandoval?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dws3TVt54[close]
How is his back truck rattly loose while he has like three threads showing on the kingpin? ???
Always interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.
Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.
Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).
I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)
Expand QuoteAlways interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.
Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.
Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).
I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)[close]
Amazing. Thanks for the screenshot and breakdown.
Two weeks @Roisto ?! Nicely done.This man is setting the example of a super shalom lifestyle
Always interesting to see pro setups and all the weird and wonderful things that they do.
Ronnie looks like he is running the Ace classic top bushing on the bottom with no washer, then the standard thunder top yellow see through bushing on top with metal washer, which when in the sun looks yellow as per the screenshot, but looks almost black in a couple of other shots when it is in the shade.
Having a lower bushing and no washer on the bottom would mean he could tighten the truck down some while still having it rattling loose (but still maintain some control over the trucks turn).
I saved half a dozen screen shots of the setup just to check it out, but after he put the new trucks on which still had the stock bushings in the first close up, it looks like the same bushings the whole session, that he took out of his old trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/zG24GSt/Ace-Test-CCS-Ronnies-Board.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6yc6HP)
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What wheels are those? Radials?
i would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.
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What wheels are those? Radials?[close]Expand Quotei would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.[close]
I'm riding 54mm Conical Fulls and they are nowhere near that rounded.
Look like Radials to me.
I took the pivot cup out to check the damage. It was just the top area. But I noticed where the damage on the pivot cup is the exact place the pivot cup cavity(?) hole has a weird ding or is out of round in that spot. I then put the pivot cup back so the damage is not in the same out of round area of the cavity to see if I get damage in that spot again. To see if the out of round is causing it. Sorry the pictures are out of order below.
(https://i.ibb.co/HTxfhW2/0-C060059-92-AB-4295-B1-BD-9-F73-D28-ECBDB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTxfhW2) (https://i.ibb.co/Qc0xy58/9858-F4-EC-4495-4002-AF75-FFAA75392056.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Qc0xy58) (https://i.ibb.co/C9fJvTQ/8681-AFA3-CF65-49-FC-AF9-B-804793-DB212-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C9fJvTQ) (https://i.ibb.co/Tkd4TDc/F0-B72-E9-E-6-E2-A-4-BFD-9408-4-ABF55095096.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tkd4TDc) (https://i.ibb.co/fvsxHkf/92-BC9-F52-33-E6-4-D79-86-A6-8-E4073-BD79-C4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fvsxHkf) (https://i.ibb.co/dbYCmtz/5-B7-D977-C-22-DF-4-F30-9-F2-F-FDA3-AD254-F6-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbYCmtz) (https://i.ibb.co/MVy8bxG/5-C97-BE66-96-D1-4-C6-B-9-FF0-6-E825-A24059-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MVy8bxG) (https://i.ibb.co/2s9SGrj/70358318-85-B3-4-FCE-B117-4-E70365-B8363.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2s9SGrj)
So I had my second session on my AF1s. After taking the pivot cup out to check how busted it was (not as bad as I thought). The first like 20 minutes of skating I had a clicking noise and it drove me nuts. Then after that first 20min I think the bushings firmed up enough and I loosened them had a lot of fun with them and by the end I didn’t notice them clicking and was intentionally trying to get them to and at that point the clicking stopped. Idk if it stopped for good but at some point on that session it stopped. My verdict is still out but the last little bit of that session I would put them over the classics. But I’m still skeptical.
Also I have a video of me making them click by hand after setting them back up. If that’s something you guys may find useful.
Judging by that video Ron is not a man to indulge in equipment chat.
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What wheels are those? Radials?[close]Expand Quotei would say 52 full conical 99a if i had to bet. i remember seing them in the video in closeup.[close]
I'm riding 54mm Conical Fulls and they are nowhere near that rounded.
Look like Radials to me.[close]
My 53mm Radials are wide. But not as wide as these wheels here. Someone should DM him like a man. ^^
thinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?
Expand Quotethinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?[close]
I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.
The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?[close]
I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.
The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me[close]
100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?[close]
I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.
The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me[close]
100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.[close]
Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?[close]
I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.
The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me[close]
100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.[close]
Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.[close]
I need to get some of those. I have some indy ones that stick out and it's an eyesore to me.
Question for everyone with pivot cup issues, are you guys tightening the trucks a bunch(not that that should matter)? Skated my af1s yesterday and they felt really good at whatever looseness they came in. Nice and stable but with a really good responsive turn. Grinding took me by surprise though; no resistance.
Forgot to bring my tool with when i took them out
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?[close]
I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.
The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me[close]
100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.[close]
Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.[close]
I need to get some of those. I have some indy ones that stick out and it's an eyesore to me.[close]
Maybe you've tried it, but with the Indys if you stick the hardware through the cutouts in the plastic (not the intended holes) they line up almost perfectly. Let me know and I can post a pic later if it helps.
That being said, the way the Ace ones line up perfectly flush with the plates in just so, so nice.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotethinking of adding some 1/8 risers to my aces. i get a lil wheelbite but i am thinking of doing it to change the pop. anyone have experience on what risers do to the pop?[close]
I always ride 1/8-1/4 on my aces, makes them feel snappier and less sluggish, without risers they feel kind of popless to me.
The spits look like 56mm conical fulls to me[close]
100% this. I think 1/8" risers with Ace classics work better than without.[close]
Yeah, 1/8" risers on Aces is perfect. Better pop, deeper turn, even less bite. I've been running their own Ace-branded risers and they're perfect.
(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)
I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.[close]
All of that in 20 hours ? Doesn't seem right.
They must be some gnarly ass curbs
RichardBarkley, yeah 20 hours. Had to check it from my Apple Watch because I’m bad at estimating. The curbs aren’t that gnarly. They’ve got a few crunchy bits and I did break in 18 new ones (probably 1 m per curb) with these trucks.
Firebert, thank you.
Frank and Fred, only a few accidental front feebles. I can’t do smiths or feebles. Not sure how slappy smiths would even work. I feel like I’d need a double sided curb for proper slappy feebles and we don’t have any around here unfortunately.
It’s just mainly frontside slappies with a bunch of backside slappies peppered in. Also a few slappy crooks attempts but so far I haven’t gotten them to work on these curbs for whatever reason. I’m just learning them anyway. Today I was skating mainly flatground at my usual spot but it’s easy to hit the slappies in between as there’s like 30+ meters of waxed curbs at that spot.
It’s weird how the back truck has worn in the middle. New trucks with no groove felt weird as hell and it took a good while to get used to the wider board and trucks and I guess by then I had managed to get a groove mainly in the middle on the back truck from sloppy slappies. :D
Back:
(https://i.ibb.co/XtqGs88/B68-CC2-F5-47-C4-45-ED-965-B-563621-C18869.jpg)
Front:
(https://i.ibb.co/G514Njj/19-D562-C0-AE97-4-A60-9654-6103756-E53-B7.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)
I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.[close]
All of that in 20 hours ? Doesn't seem right.
They must be some gnarly ass curbs[close]
Un-painted/un-waxed curbs will do that.
Dunno if that was addressed to me but I haven’t skated any unwaxed curbs with these trucks. I broke in a bunch of new curbs by waxing them first and then just grinding and it gets nicer and nicer the more you grind.
My experiences with unpainted curbs is wildly different depending on the curbs. Some curbs grind like butter with very little wax, some require a bit more wax and then it gets better quite slowly. Then some others just don’t grind initially at all and just have to smash it until it slowly starts going. With my previous completely axeled classics I was able to grind a few inches of an unwaxed curb that grinded like butter with very little wax. Those curbs looked normal but for some reason grinded unlike any other.
I haven’t used any rub brick & lacquer tricks even though I like long grinds. To me it is much more satisfying just waxing and grinding until it starts going. :)
These are my old 44 classics from a while back. The sharp groove visible in two of the pics are from curbs that have a very sharp lip and won’t grind at all initially. Breaking those curbs in requires quite some work. Last pic shows the kingpin nut which fell off when I was just rolling and turning.
(https://i.ibb.co/zNrBptW/E14995-A1-7722-411-E-8-DD0-4-F57-C88-DA1-A9.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sKJpHPG/17-D16-D6-B-27-C4-4-F9-B-AFEF-164-EDA725-C01.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZghVYPm/708-E9799-DA6-A-48-BD-9-B96-253-A4-ED610-FD.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JtvShhW/4095-DCB8-B0-F1-4-F3-D-A18-E-DBDE46-D72927.jpg)
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.[close]
I feel you there mate. The only solution I can think of is, that you sand your top bushings down like 5 mm and shorten the kingpin with a angle grinder. But I can only speak on Indy trucks with that method and am not sure if that will work with Ace's too.
Man I really want to try Aces but when I see pics like these It makes me want to stick to my Indys and Thunders. I weigh 200lbs and do tons of slappies and both brands hold up. Ace are extremely popular in Vancouver. They did a good job supporting local pros and ams early on. But now I’m seeing some of the die hard Ace fan boys moving back to Indys because of durability issues.
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever
I too, went back to Indy and didn't notice too much of a difference...mainly weight reduction going to TI...but I was also using ace bushings...which work wonders in Indy...or venture...tensor...see the pattern?
Ace are still a quicker deeper Indy stock, but the weight and quality control aren't worth the fucking hassle...get some ace bushings in your Indy's or dual duro Indy bushings and call it a day.
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I did Bones Soft and they were fine, but then went back to Ace. For me, the Ace bushings were the absolute best part of the trucks.
Expand QuoteI too, went back to Indy and didn't notice too much of a difference...mainly weight reduction going to TI...but I was also using ace bushings...which work wonders in Indy...or venture...tensor...see the pattern?
Ace are still a quicker deeper Indy stock, but the weight and quality control aren't worth the fucking hassle...get some ace bushings in your Indy's or dual duro Indy bushings and call it a day.[close]
For sure, the turn on Ace is a little different, but whether it's better or worse is totally subjective. I've been on both side by side, I don't think either helped or hindered my skating. And like a lot of people here, I spent five years fussing with my trucks, constantly switching brands, buying forged titanium versions, switching bushings, experimenting with washers, inverting kingpins, etc. Then I just put on a pair of Indy 144 standard trucks, with their stock orange bushings and have barely thought about it since. They've been great.
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever
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Krux bushings are great. I like the stock bushings but sometimes they’re a little too wobbly for me. Krux gives the same tight turn but is nice and stable on center.
I haven’t tried Bones hard, but I really had to crank down on the mediums to avoid wheelbite. Wasn’t a fan of the mediums with Ace.
I took the semi-shredded cups (I had stopped skating them before they got totally wrecked) and slapped them into a pair of Indys, they fit and feel great (and won't get cut up anymore).
I'll put the new cups in my one sessioned AF155s.
DM me if you are interested in the used AF155s with the plate issue (hangers are totally fine, literally 2 hours on them) + new cups - make an offer.
DM me if you are interested in a NEW pair of AF155s with NO plate issue (never ridden, complete with poop bags).
I've also got a set of never skated 33 classics (red plates) as well (all stock) but they've been kicking around in a bag with other trucks so the plates have some scuffs but whateverthfuk).
After skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck. I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger. I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger. I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in. But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best.
Expand QuoteAfter skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck. I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger. I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger. I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in. But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best.[close]
The 55's have the same width hanger as the classic 44's I believe. Someone else could confirm or correct me though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter skating the AF1 44s for awhile, I will say that I am so sad they changed the axle/hanger width on that truck. I knew it would be a bummer, and even though I skate 8.25" boards most of the time, I really liked that little extra bit of hanger. I feel like I have to ride skinnier wheels than I want to a lot of the time so they don't eat up so much room on the hanger. I loved classic fulls on the old 44s, but now I feel like they're too wide on certain grinds and I find myself weirdly missing the lock in. But then again I'm a crybaby who skates like shit at his top dollar best.[close]
The 55's have the same width hanger as the classic 44's I believe. Someone else could confirm or correct me though.[close]
Not sure about the 44s but the AF155 hangers are just a hair wider than every 8.25" truck I've got...
The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.
Expand QuoteThe bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.[close]
I too am experiencing the loud click. Before my last session the washers were clicking in both trucks with every turn. It seems to be happening less now while standing on my board.
I’ll also be trying some replacement parts if the clicking continues. Someone else recommended the Muir Skate machined sleeved washers. They’re pricey but I may give those a go.
My bushings are also starting to get shredded.
To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.
I know there’s a million answers in this thread, but what kind of replacement bushings do you guys ride in Aces? Not looking for a crazy rattly ride, more medium surfy. I’ve heard Bones hards, but i’m willing to try whatever
To anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.
Expand QuoteTo anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.[close]
It will never sit fully flush without getting a thinner profile nut. You can grind it down or file it. One of my buddies just rubs his baseplate on the concrete and it files it down
Expand QuoteTo anyone who has put a Kreper IKP into a set of Ace classics: how did you get the nut to sit properly inside the cavity? I can't get it to go in deep enough to not stick out from the plate and it's making me feel insane.[close]
Not Kreeper, but Krux - it sticks out less than a mm, and it goes into a piece of wood, so I just let it dig in. If it bothered me, I suppose I would file it down.
Not that happy with the AF1s...
Got the 55s first for a 8.75 AH Classic Eagle and it felt bad even with more washers on the inside. Too much magic carpet feeling.
Sold them to a Homie and bought some 66s for a 9 AH Classic Eagle. Felt better but in my head the Classics seemed to look and feel a tad more flush with the Deck.
The new Bushings are so flimsy and wobbly that even after they firmed up it felt much too wonky for my taste. Im all in for "lose trucks save lives" but not for "die while pushing cause of wheelbite"...
After a few sessions a guy asked me about the pivot cups and i was stoked to tell him that mine didnt rip. Exactly one session later my front truck pivot cup broke nearly throwing me off while pushing fast for some Slappies.
I was so keen on ACE because they helped me with my pop on flip tricks (long story). But with the new ones im experiencing the same ghost pop problems i had on Thunders before. Especially on kickflips.
Gave them about 10 Sessions, now im back on my old 55 Classics and im fucking happy again. Pop is back, no pivot cup probs etc.
I'll stick to Classics i guess..
Got the 55s first for a 8.75 AH Classic Eagle and it felt bad even with more washers on the inside. Too much magic carpet feeling.
The bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.
Not that happy with the AF1s...
Got the 55s first for a 8.75 AH Classic Eagle and it felt bad even with more washers on the inside. Too much magic carpet feeling.
Sold them to a Homie and bought some 66s for a 9 AH Classic Eagle. Felt better but in my head the Classics seemed to look and feel a tad more flush with the Deck.
The new Bushings are so flimsy and wobbly that even after they firmed up it felt much too wonky for my taste. Im all in for "lose trucks save lives" but not for "die while pushing cause of wheelbite"...
After a few sessions a guy asked me about the pivot cups and i was stoked to tell him that mine didnt rip. Exactly one session later my front truck pivot cup broke nearly throwing me off while pushing fast for some Slappies.
I was so keen on ACE because they helped me with my pop on flip tricks (long story). But with the new ones im experiencing the same ghost pop problems i had on Thunders before. Especially on kickflips.
Gave them about 10 Sessions, now im back on my old 55 Classics and im fucking happy again. Pop is back, no pivot cup probs etc.
I'll stick to Classics i guess..
If u get ghost pop its not cuz of the trucks - its the combo with the deck you've paired them with. Interesting though as you said you set them up with an AH deck - I found DLX decks (14.5 WB) are the goldilocks combo for ace trucks. Plus you just gotta get used to it - as in a minimum of 10-20 hours of skating vs just a few. Sounds like you haven't given enough time to get used to it. Ghost pop happens sometimes no matter what set up one has. Thats just how it goes. But IMO thats just down to poor timing mostly and never the set up.
I mean people do tre flips on shovels and bricks so...
Expand QuoteThe bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.[close]
Simply remove the top washer. Problem solved! Or just give it sometime and it will eventually go away - if u have the patience.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe bushings and top washer on my AF1 55s shift side to side and make a loud clicking/creaking noise. Every time I turn left or right there's a loud click that I can feel. I tried removing and putting them back on to see if they'd settle a little better, but no luck. I also adjusted the kingpin tighter and looser, but it didn't change. I'm going to mess with some replacement parts, I guess.[close]
Simply remove the top washer. Problem solved! Or just give it sometime and it will eventually go away - if u have the patience.[close]
No top washer? Bushings get shredded too quickly like that from my experience. I mean, the washer is there for a reason.
For those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick: https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)
Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.
Expand QuoteFor those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick: https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)
Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.[close]
Just wondering - how much were they?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFor those of you who prefer the Classics. Get on it quick: https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/dailydose.html)
Sidenote, Ace Risers and Shock pads are perfectly sized.[close]
Just wondering - how much were they?[close]
They were marked down to $16.99 (per truck) for the polished hangar/red baseplate Classics.
I almost pulled the trigger, but I recently got some AF1's and couldn't justify the truck madness...
Good catch on anyone who did end up snagging them.
Still not sure if I'll be able to fully get used to these things but they are definitely fun. The clicking started the other day and has just gotten worse and worse. Kinda driving me crazy. Gonna mess around and see if I can get it to stop
Expand QuoteStill not sure if I'll be able to fully get used to these things but they are definitely fun. The clicking started the other day and has just gotten worse and worse. Kinda driving me crazy. Gonna mess around and see if I can get it to stop[close]
For me the clicking comes and goes and seems not to fully go away. I thought it would be just temporary but so far it feels more and more like an actualfeature of these. Sometimes I ponder, did they even test these things. Still, I find these super fun to skate everywhere.
Anyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.
I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.
Anyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.
I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.
Expand QuoteAnyone skate a sub 14.25 wheelbase with ace classics? I’m skating an 8.5 wide 14.5 WB and it’s kinda a bitch to flip.
I’m looking at polar 8.25 14.125 WB but kinda concerned it might be too squirely.[close]
I skated a 8.38 x14.18 hockey with 44 classics. It felt good for street. Taking it to the diy or park transition felt a little squirrely but not awful I did find myself putting my front foot a little past front bolts on some transition. I’m 6’1 if that matters.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?[close]
66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate. I'd go for the 55's
(http://www.acetruckmfg.com/homebanners/sizechart.jpg)[close]
Its all preference. Most people ride an Indy 149 on an 8.5 but I feel like the 169 works better. They are just a tiny bit wider than the board. I think a Ace size 66 would fit the same way on an 8.75. They have the 55 listed as fitting 8.75 to 9.0 on their website but I think a wider truck would be better for that size of board.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?[close]
66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate. I'd go for the 55's
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Its all preference. Most people ride an Indy 149 on an 8.5 but I feel like the 169 works better. They are just a tiny bit wider than the board. I think a Ace size 66 would fit the same way on an 8.75. They have the 55 listed as fitting 8.75 to 9.0 on their website but I think a wider truck would be better for that size of board.[close]
I mean, I ride Venture 5.8s on an 8.25 one speed ring on each end of the wheel and I’m good to go. I like the stability.
There's some very dramatic opinions being bandied about regarding Aces on smaller wheelbases, lol. As a counterpoint to that, my main set-up that I've been doing for a while now that I slowly shifted into is:
Ace 44 Classic (all washers present, loosened from factory to about two nut threads showing, Riptide pivots, stock bushings)
Modus 1/8" riser pad cut down to the Ace baseplate shape
BBS/Deluxe 8.12 x 14 x 31.38 Julien shape, in either a III or IV concave
Spitfire F4 53mm or 54mm, always 99 durometer, but I do play around with shape (I will switch wheels out occasionally depending on the spot, and I do have 80HD Chargers for really rough spots)
Bones Swiss, but that's immaterial to the topic
I'm 5'11.5", but I do have a narrower, lighter frame, which some have maybe correctly hypothesized is more of a factor in wheelbase preference rather than height.
I'm a street skater who never skates parks, and I do flip/spin/rotate my board a fair amount. The wider truck/narrower deck combination gives me a stability that I love (and the "hotrodding" really is very marginal, though I would not go narrower), and for me the risers are a must for wheelbite, pop, and overall feel. I also don't really identify with the issue that many of you have with a taller board feeling "tippy", although that's being off-set by the wider truck; even beyond performance, I dislike how a low-to-the ground board feels. Even way, way back when I rode Ventures, I always preferred the highs. The ultraorthodox, narrow-minded tech skater (think PJ/childoftheghetto/Kevin Bilyeu/etc) fanatical devotion to the low has always been pretty whatever to me; I mean, for what it's worth Gino always rode the highs.
Like all of this nonsense, its all personal preference.
I'm 6'3" and skated 44s on a 13.875" WB and it was fine. I care way more about overall board length. Why? Because...Expand QuoteLike all of this nonsense, its all personal preference.[close]
I'm late to the AF1 party and decided to treat myself to them even though I'm still trying to hit axle on my older Ace's that I just put some inverted kingpins in. I got the 44's because I figured it would still feel like home even though it's a hair shorter than the classic 44's. Here's my dumb ass take:
Might be in my head but they felt a little more stable on center, yet still maintained that insane turn I've always loved. I felt like I was turning a full circle in an even less amount of time, God damn Ace's are like slalom trucks or something they're nuts. Might be the new bushings but even with the 1/8" Ace risers I was hitting wheelbite pretty easily. Using the same risers on my classics damn near eliminated wheelbite.
Quality seems better in some ways, but I still have one axle that is significantly shorter on one side compared to the other and that bugged my OCD. They kinda made the hanger part that goes into the pivot cups too small with this new design, if I threw in Ace aftermarket pivot cups there was a shit load of play back and forth, then the new stock pivot cups were better in comparison but you can still see gaps with the naked eye. My board also had a weird sound to it, never heard trucks like this before. When I roll fast it like really makes the wheels sound loud in a different way it's hard to explain. If I just push out my board in front of me and it's rolling slowly it sounds like I have this "dead" sound. But popping is still crisp. Idk, just strange.
They seem to be kinda picky about surfaces, grinded good on curbs and shit but when I touched metal coping in a bowl it was sticky and new/worn classics or even Indy's never struggled. The pop timing also took getting used to, something felt a little different with that, I def ghost popped quite a few times. But overall I think they're pretty sick. Might have been a liiiitle hyped up but hey, marketing is key. Ace is still king! Shalom
I'm late to the AF1 party and decided to treat myself to them even though I'm still trying to hit axle on my older Ace's that I just put some inverted kingpins in. I got the 44's because I figured it would still feel like home even though it's a hair shorter than the classic 44's. Here's my dumb ass take:
Might be in my head but they felt a little more stable on center, yet still maintained that insane turn I've always loved. I felt like I was turning a full circle in an even less amount of time, God damn Ace's are like slalom trucks or something they're nuts. Might be the new bushings but even with the 1/8" Ace risers I was hitting wheelbite pretty easily. Using the same risers on my classics damn near eliminated wheelbite.
Quality seems better in some ways, but I still have one axle that is significantly shorter on one side compared to the other and that bugged my OCD. They kinda made the hanger part that goes into the pivot cups too small with this new design, if I threw in Ace aftermarket pivot cups there was a shit load of play back and forth, then the new stock pivot cups were better in comparison but you can still see gaps with the naked eye. My board also had a weird sound to it, never heard trucks like this before. When I roll fast it like really makes the wheels sound loud in a different way it's hard to explain. If I just push out my board in front of me and it's rolling slowly it sounds like I have this "dead" sound. But popping is still crisp. Idk, just strange.
They seem to be kinda picky about surfaces, grinded good on curbs and shit but when I touched metal coping in a bowl it was sticky and new/worn classics or even Indy's never struggled. The pop timing also took getting used to, something felt a little different with that, I def ghost popped quite a few times. But overall I think they're pretty sick. Might have been a liiiitle hyped up but hey, marketing is key. Ace is still king! Shalom
imo Ace only work as a loose truck. venture are the opposite, they only work as a tight truck.thats just not true. have two sets at a slight rattle and they have the best on center stability of all the trucks ive ran that loose including ace + indy. all it takes is done tinkering, which anyone on this side of slap is doing somewhere anyway
Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom
Expand QuoteMan I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom[close]
I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.
really strange to me that they didnt just make titanium axel classics with beefed up pivot cups and bushings, and add 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 sizes for people that wanted them. That would've addressed everyone's concerns, while retaining what they originally liked. Maybe throw in those re threader dies as a nice bonus. People liked the geo and soft grindfeel though, idk why they would change that.
Man I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? ShalomI love the new AF1, and would pick them over classics every time due to the stability. Classics feel too unstable for me, its as if it is slightly more difficult to keep a perfectly straight line on em. I also like the look of the AF1 better, the beefier hangar with a slightly more tapered pivot just looks like what I want a truck to look like.
I switched back to classics after about three weeks. I couldn't get used to the pop and the stable center became boring to me. I much prefer the geometry of the classics over the AF1's.Expand QuoteMan I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom[close]
I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.
really strange to me that they didnt just make titanium axel classics with beefed up pivot cups and bushings, and add 8.25, 8.5, 8.75 sizes for people that wanted them. That would've addressed everyone's concerns, while retaining what they originally liked. Maybe throw in those re threader dies as a nice bonus. People liked the geo and soft grindfeel though, idk why they would change that.
I’m giving my AF1 55s another shot after switching back to classics 55s on my last couple decks. What’s the consensus on how far into the breaking-in process the weird clicking sound stops? I spent about 3 hours on them today and started to enjoy them. Less ghost popping and the turn is starting to feel more like my classics. Imo the grind being less buttery than the classics is the biggest downside. By the end of the session I thought we were done with the clicking then they mustered up a couple farewell clicks when I was skating back to my car. I feel like I’m watching Hereditary…
I’m giving my AF1 55s another shot after switching back to classics 55s on my last couple decks. What’s the consensus on how far into the breaking-in process the weird clicking sound stops? I spent about 3 hours on them today and started to enjoy them. Less ghost popping and the turn is starting to feel more like my classics. Imo the grind being less buttery than the classics is the biggest downside. By the end of the session I thought we were done with the clicking then they mustered up a couple farewell clicks when I was skating back to my car. I feel like I’m watching Hereditary…
Expand QuoteMan I'm trippin, today has been like 90⁰F all day I skated for a few hours and even in the heat the bushings seemed to firm up. I feel like now maybe they don't turn as good as the classics? What do y'all think about your AF1's turning radius after being on them for awhile? Who would take their classics over AF1's or vice versa? Shalom[close]
I agree, I don’t think the AF1s turn as well as the Classics. The AF1’s don’t feel as loose to me and the turning radius isn’t as good for me. I ended up switching back to Classics.
I’m about to pull the trigger on some 66 AF1s as my first pair of aces, but now this thread has me thinking maybe I should get classics?
i wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck
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I’m about to pull the trigger on some 66 AF1s as my first pair of aces, but now this thread has me thinking maybe I should get classics?[close]
A bit of price difference and a lot of personal preference really, determining what you want. Size board / width of truck also comes into it some, depending on what size you want. At least both have smaller sizes (which I don't think about) but both also have even 9.0" but apart from that if you were more a 9.5" truck person, the AF1 77, or a bit less, the Classic 66 in 9.35" width.
OCD has 20% off trucks and wheels right now too, so might be a good chance to get them cheaper, and all relevant sizes in stock too.
65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.warehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45
Classic 55s or af1 66s with no inside washers is the sweet spot for 8.62-8.75s. As always brimson knows his shit.Expand Quotei wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck[close]
Some people have said to run the AF1 66 (9") trucks without inside washers and they have worked on boards around the 8.75 size.
I haven't tried it myself, but I know that would be more comfortable for some people than running magic carpet rides on the 8.5" wide trucks.
Classic 55s or af1 66s with no inside washers is the sweet spot for 8.62-8.75s. As always brimson knows his shit.Expand QuoteExpand Quotei wish ace made an 8.75 truck.... 8.5 trucks feel too unstable on transition for me because i suck[close]
Some people have said to run the AF1 66 (9") trucks without inside washers and they have worked on boards around the 8.75 size.
I haven't tried it myself, but I know that would be more comfortable for some people than running magic carpet rides on the 8.5" wide trucks.[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)i've had a similar experience with Ace's top bushings with my Ace 44 classics (haven't tried the AF1's yet because I heard the wheelbase is slightly longer than the classics). It fell off while I was just cruising around on the street. Switched out the top bushing for yellow bones bushings but kept the original Ace bottom bushing. Turns like a dream and I haven't had problems with the bushings ever since.
So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.
41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.
Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.
I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick. :D
warehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45Expand Quote65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/dkfWD80/7-AE884-B0-8-D29-42-CC-A054-3-D8-B817-EC8-E1.jpg)
So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.
41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.
Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.
I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick. :D
Expand Quotewarehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45Expand Quote65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.[close][close]
Where do you see this? I see them listed for $30.99-$31.99 per truck, on their website.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewarehouse skateboards has the AF1 for $45Expand Quote65-70 dollars for a pair of trucks is crazy to me.[close][close]
Where do you see this? I see them listed for $30.99-$31.99 per truck, on their website.[close]
https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/skateboard-trucks#class=1t&sort=dprice&pg=1&brand=ACE|&category=2256
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
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So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.
41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.
Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.
I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick. :D[close]
I've rarely seen a better use case for the Krux/Kreaper modification
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So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.
41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.
Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.
I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick. :D[close]
I've rarely seen a better use case for the Krux/Kreaper modification[close]
The Krux kingpin is so short that I dunno how it would work while still maintaining the proper turn
I want to grind a set of trucks in half(https://i.ibb.co/QY1rZFD/20210611-162929.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZckW362)
So, here we are with my AF1 66s. Nut was so ground down that it wouldn’t stay on anymore. Flew off on a frontside slappy.
41 hours of skating, 26 sessions, in 40 days. Mostly slappies. I did break in a bunch of new curbs and some of them were rather crunchy like that one in the pic, so that helps. Still, this is quite fast.
Not sure how much longer other trucks would have lasted. I’m guessing a lower kingpin would help a lot in that regard.
I’ll cut the top bushings, put them back on, get a new nut and screw that one deep like @Mbrimson88 suggested. Briefly tried that today with my old 44 classics and it seems to work nicely. Interesting to see if I can grind some trucks in half with that trick. :D
Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.Expand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
Still fuck Zumiez though.
Expand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
Skate warehouse is a shop.
Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.Expand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
Still fuck Zumiez though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
Skate warehouse is a shop.[close]
.....Nah
It’s impossible to switch for the krux kingpin, right? Gotten too used to em’, probably just gonna switch to the K5 if the AF1’s don’t work out for me. Been putting off setting em up.
id rather support my friends in their small business than an online retailer any day.if I had a local, I'd shop there 100% of the time. Since I don't, I usually just order online from the closest shop that doesn't overcharge. Which is usually something in Texas. No-comply is the best.
How do they feel compared to Indy 149 hollows? I know the Ace AF1 55s are about the same weight. Maybe more.149 hollows are 13oz
But would the tighter wheelbase make them feel lighter than the Indy's?I have 149 titaniums on the new IKP plates - they feel lighter when popping than do the AF1 55s.
Fuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.
Fuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.Expand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
Still fuck Zumiez though.
its a lot harder on a little shop to handle miss-steps or fuck ups. they usually dont have the budget to compensate, that being said they should know how to ship stuff.Expand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
AgreedExpand QuoteFuck charging $75 for a $50 product... I know Orchard is one of the good ones, but when I order from small shops, sometimes I end up getting fucked over. Like when 303 (CO) decided to take the AF1s out of the individual poly bags and ship them rubbing together in a bigger bag - or when Magnolia (TX) folded up my Quasi hat in half, shipped it in a USPS bag to save shipping, that got folded again (hat now folded quarters) in my mailbox - or when Haven (NM) just taped a cut up mini logo griptape box to the actual deck itself so the weight of the freight warped the deck. At least when a bigger shop like skatewarehouse fucks up, they make it right.Expand QuoteFuck skate warehouse, fuck warehouse skateboards, fuck CCS, fuck Zumiez, give your money to a shop. Pretty sure I saw these on orchards site recently.[close]
Still fuck Zumiez though.[close]
Shame you had such bad experiences but like the OP asked, did you speak to all those shops to try and get compensated? It does suck when certain customer service levels aren't met but sometimes that can be down to one shit member of staff and I'm sure if you spoke to the management then you'd get taken care of. But if the owner is a wasteman then the shop won't last very long anyway. It shouldn't stop anyone supporting small independent businesses over big corporations though.
It’s impossible to switch for the krux kingpin, right? Gotten too used to em’, probably just gonna switch to the K5 if the AF1’s don’t work out for me. Been putting off setting em up.
Anyone skated Aces on an Anti Hero Huffer / Crailtap Phawt shape? Just picked up one + I have some old Thunder 151's that could fit it but I'm tempted to pick up some 55 Classics
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Yes. I've used 151s and 55 Classics. The 55 Classics work really nice but I mostly use this set up in pools and bigger bowls.
I've had about 3 sessions so far on the AF1 55's. They turn great right out of the box but I noticed during the 2nd session that maybe the bushings are making a "ticking" sound now...? You know how new bushings make that squeaking sound as they're being compressed and its continual? Well when I turn on these trucks, it isn't a continual sound but a quick creaking/ticking sound. Anyone else experience this on the new Ace bushings? I'm sure it isn't a big deal because they function great, just curious.
what exactly is up with the pivot cups? was my pivot cup just not poured evenly, hence the quick creaking sound? even if it is an issue, i dont think it will effect performance that much but the sound is kinda distractingExpand QuoteI've had about 3 sessions so far on the AF1 55's. They turn great right out of the box but I noticed during the 2nd session that maybe the bushings are making a "ticking" sound now...? You know how new bushings make that squeaking sound as they're being compressed and its continual? Well when I turn on these trucks, it isn't a continual sound but a quick creaking/ticking sound. Anyone else experience this on the new Ace bushings? I'm sure it isn't a big deal because they function great, just curious.[close]
I'm fairly sure that's a problem with the pour on the pivot cup as has been mentioned earlier in this thread
The clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.ahh, i see. I'll play around with the tightness and looseness of them. I left them stock and didn't touch them.
I super glued the washer to the nut and that fixed mine.ahh, i see. I'll play around with the tightness and looseness of them. I left them stock and didn't touch them.Expand QuoteThe clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.[close]
what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lolI super glued the washer to the nut and that fixed mine.Expand Quoteahh, i see. I'll play around with the tightness and looseness of them. I left them stock and didn't touch them.Expand QuoteThe clicking is the washer shifting against the kingpin.[close][close]
what will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lolI didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.
I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.Expand Quotewhat will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol[close]
My classics still have lots of life left, but I went ahead and pulled the gun on some AF1s because they were on sale due to GSD sales.
Now I have to fight the urge to create another set up with those. HAHA.
I couldn't get down with my AF1's no matter how hard I tried, something always felt off and then right when I'd set foot on my classics I'd get that "ahh" feeling and be right at home. I gave the AF1's to a friend of mine who I've been trying to get to try Ace's for a long time but he's stubborn and has been rolling on his old raw/standard 159 stage 11 Indy's that have a USA stamp on the bottom.
At first he was kinda tripping on how insanely loose they felt but he kept an open mind, then he was like wow, I can seriously turn on these trucks and make split second decisions and control my board like I've never felt before! It was like a proud dad moment for me. He's running them stock, no clicking issues and is gaining back some tricks as well. I think AF1's are better for those who are apprehensive about switching from Indy, they offer more stability and are "tame" compared to the classics, imo. Shalom
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.
Ace's do turn better and are more stable than Indy though?They are.
I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.Expand Quotewhat will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol[close]
Do you feeble and smith much? Feebles especially rotate my washer a lot over time, wonder if yours will just stay put or loosen the nut.Yeah I do feeble a lot - I find that after breaking in trucks, the nut usually indents the washer a little bit, and I suppose that dent keeps it in place for me. For instance, on my really used trucks, the washer turns with the nut anyway without any glue.
That seems a bit extra. For a product as highly advertised and marketed as the AF1's were, I'm kind of disappointed that one would have to do some MacGuyver work on them to get them to stop clicking. If the clicking doesn't go away, then I'll give superglueing the nut to washers a try. Never had this problem with any other truck I've had. I've only had 2 or 3 sessions so far on the AF1's and I'm honestly not as impressed by them as I was when I got the Classics. But we'll see if time will shock me.I didn't super glue the nut to the kingpin. I made the top washer and the nut one piece. I can still remove them and tighten the trucks fine - this just prevents washer play.Expand Quotewhat will you do when you wanna replace your bushings or tighten/loosen them lol[close]
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.
That seems a bit extra. For a product as highly advertised and marketed as the AF1's were, I'm kind of disappointed that one would have to do some MacGuyver work on them to get them to stop clicking.Agreed - shouldn't even be necessary but I'm not going to worry about the things I can't control and I'll be damned if I'm going to have to listen to that shit during the break in process. Weird that it didn't happen to my AF1 44s, but the 55s I got click super loud.
I'm actually pretty pissed off. Its bullshit honestly. All that marketing... and what I get is the product to annoy me while I'm putting them to use. If anybody from Ace or the Tershay's lurk this thread.... get your shit together. I know its the first batch of the AF1's but DAMN. Also please DM me for my address once the kinks are worked out because Ace Classics have a special place in my heart now, so much so that I'm still willing to stick with the AF1's. Lol.Agreed - shouldn't even be necessary but I'm not going to worry about the things I can't control and I'll be damned if I'm going to have to listen to that shit during the break in process. Weird that it didn't happen to my AF1 44s, but the 55s I got click super loud.Expand QuoteThat seems a bit extra. For a product as highly advertised and marketed as the AF1's were, I'm kind of disappointed that one would have to do some MacGuyver work on them to get them to stop clicking.[close]
I'm actually pretty pissed off. Its bullshit honestly. All that marketing... and what I get isAudible Turn Technology
Expand QuoteI would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.[close]
I share this opinion.
How many of y’all are sticking with classics? How many of you are converted to AF-1?
update: i switched out the top bushings for the stock top bushings from my 149's. the clicking is gone now and the turn feels much more like the turn on the Classics. no need for superglue lol. I'm totally not down to break in those hard ass Ace top bushings the AF1's come with.Audible Turn TechnologyExpand QuoteI'm actually pretty pissed off. Its bullshit honestly. All that marketing... and what I get is[close]
How many of y’all are sticking with classics? How many of you are converted to AF-1?I switch between them both - I like the classics on 14.38 wb and af1s on 14.25.
I would say Aces definitely turn better. But let’s be real, Indys are more stable, especially when you start to add in speed.
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff as
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more
Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?
I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me. I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff asFeel free to loosen them up; it’s the going tighter that I think you want to avoid, as the classics tend to herniate their top bushing beyond the lip of the top cup-washer when tightened up prior to being “broken in.” Loosening them does not contribute/add to this problem.
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more
Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?
I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me. I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while
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Spanky riding ace?
set up some classic 33's stock today these fuckers feel stiff as
Tempted to put some bones mediums in them but could just fuck with me more
Any advice for this idiot. Do I push on thru and hope they start to turn, loosen them up
Or try some bones bushings?
I'd have to say indys forged titanium or just hollows with bones medium feels
Pretty perfect to me. I thought I'd give Aces a try since I've been sitting on a set
For a while
No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.Expand Quote(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51282542054_ca0fb4728f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m8Er6y)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2m8Er6y) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/), on Flickr
Spanky riding ace?[close]
Just noticed that as well, pretty sure i saw curren with some on someone's story the other day too. The exodus continues.
I think with some of these guys they are probably just trying them out and who knows if they will stay on them, but interesting nonetheless
No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51282542054_ca0fb4728f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m8Er6y)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2m8Er6y) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/), on Flickr
Spanky riding ace?[close]
Just noticed that as well, pretty sure i saw curren with some on someone's story the other day too. The exodus continues.
I think with some of these guys they are probably just trying them out and who knows if they will stay on them, but interesting nonetheless[close]
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.[close]
Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.[close]
Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know[close]
Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.[close]
Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know[close]
Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...[close]
Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.[close]
Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know[close]
Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...[close]
Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board[close]
Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.[close]
Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know[close]
Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...[close]
Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board[close]
Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.[close]
damn no way, i missed that. bobby d one of my favs. would love to see that
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
Was finally able to destroy my classic 44s. Took a good while and breaking in some sharp ass curbs but I got the front truck broken. Shoutout to mbrimson88 for the advice on cutting the top bushing to get the kingpin nut down enough so it’ll hold and not grind down too much.
You can see the front truck bent and cracked before giving in. Back truck still has life left. Will kill that later on. Just got a new set of AF1 66s after grinding down the kingpin nut on my previous pair. I’ll now try to focus on something else than frontside slappies and grinding trucks in half. Maybe learn some new stuff instead. :D
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No screenshot but jordan taylor also had some aces on in a story recently.[close]
Yeah I remember that one as well. One of the clips in his new part he had them too i think and then indy posted about the part which raised my eyebrow that he was cheating on them and they didn't even know[close]
Grant definitely rides Aces and I was thinking Jordan may have been using Grant's board to get a couple clips after breaking his own. Maybe...[close]
Yeah i think that definitely could've been the case for that clip, but this latest clip of him on his story was for sure his board[close]
Ah, understood. A lot of that going around lately, Bobby DeKeyzer riding Aces on his story a few weeks back as well.[close]
damn no way, i missed that. bobby d one of my favs. would love to see that[close]
A pal was good enough to screenshot it,Expand Quote(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51134216813_49c40ee4c0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kUyeaP)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2kUyeaP) by (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/), on Flickr
Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.[close]
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Shoes/gear section has made me have hawkeyes for trucks. BDK on aces.
Ya I took out my AF1 77s for just the second time and started getting clicks. They’ve been otherwise great, and The size is perfect for my Heroin bigger egg.
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The click thing has come up in this thread so many times. Just take the top bushing washer off - problem solved!
I know the click shouldnt be acceptable but
am i the only one who doesnt mind clicks and squeaks much??
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am i the only one who doesnt mind clicks and squeaks much??[close]
yes
heyo Aces, I've got a pair of classic 44s on the way from a pal and I'm curious what y'all think is the best route to get them broken in would be. I've really only ever ridden Indys with stock bushings recycled from one set to the next, no bushing caps, loose as a goose for my 145lb ass. Tips are appreciated. thanks
heyo Aces, I've got a pair of classic 44s on the way from a pal and I'm curious what y'all think is the best route to get them broken in would be. I've really only ever ridden Indys with stock bushings recycled from one set to the next, no bushing caps, loose as a goose for my 145lb ass. Tips are appreciated. thanks
After months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1glad I missed absolutely nothing that’ll matter when I ride my skateboard
After months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1
I have a pair of A1 55s on the way, not sure whether I should be stoked or not tbh
Expand QuoteAfter months of following this topic, I still don't know if I should buy classics or af1[close]
If you're trying Ace for the first time and you like the Classic sizes, I'd just go Classic and save a few $s. If you become an Ace convert then try the AF1s at a later date.
So I recently borrowed my buddy's angle grinder and used it on my Ace classic baseplate kingpins and made the mistake of not setting the nut and ended up grinding them down a little too far. The only backup baseplates I had were from the AF1's that I didn't care for, so I did the same with them and this time I set the nut. It melted the nylock inside the nut and also the top bushings, then I had to let them cool down and take everything apart and scrub the crud off the kingpin with a wire brush. Seems like the slight difference in geometry causes the AF1 kingpins to sit pretty damn high with a classic hanger on em, so in the end it offered some help with clearance but not too much since my hangers are ground down pretty far.
This is my first time trying the angle grinder method and I think you can buy em for pretty cheap. It's still a slight hassle having to mess around with your trucks that much, but I think it may be the better option compared to the inverted kingpin method. No hammering, JB welding, etc. Just grind the kingpin down and then use a shorter top bushing and you're good to go. Oh, and if you keep the grinder level and pay close attention you can make sure the nut catches the threads afterward and you won't need a thread die. Hope this helped any other truck maniacs, shalom.
Rode for a couple days, meh. Anyone in Portland wanna buy a setup with a shrunken head shop deck, 8.38, a set of af1 55's, 56mm f4 classics 99a, and reds?Damn can you leave it at my buddy's house in SE? I'm gonna be down there for August and had planned on doing what you did, just buying a setup when I get there. I usually skate 8.5 but damn if the price is right....
Damn can you leave it at my buddy's house in SE? I'm gonna be down there for August and had planned on doing what you did, just buying a setup when I get there. I usually skate 8.5 but damn if the price is right....Expand QuoteRode for a couple days, meh. Anyone in Portland wanna buy a setup with a shrunken head shop deck, 8.38, a set of af1 55's, 56mm f4 classics 99a, and reds?[close]
Expand QuoteI have a schizoid OCD box filled with a mountain of truck components and bushings, from the looks of what I grabbed I'm pretty sure they're Krux, basically any top bushing out there is shorter than Ace's. What kingpin nut are you referring to? If I can find one that's shorter and grind down more of the kingpin with angle grinder round 2 then I definitely will. Shalom.[close]
Trimming down the top bushings will help with the height too, especially if you feel like you have taken the kingpin down too much, as the Ace bushings are so tall, so they still work when cut down lots. I used some I thought I had cut too much (almost in half) but they still worked well on a kingpin that had been skated almost to death and grinded way down past where I thought I could still get a nut on. An older nut worked well too, already half grinded, but you can take some of the head off once it is on where you need it too.
Re your kingpins - did you grind the top off or cut straight through it?
One other brand board (with crazy tall kingpins) I helped with we left the truck assembly on the board and just cut through the kingpin, but I alternated the cutting so the kingpin would cool a bit, eg cut the front some, then the back some, then went to the front again, so it didn't melt the nyloc or bushing.
anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards
Cyrus riding aces in the new Huf commercial if anyone cares
Expand Quoteanyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards[close]
I ride 8’ on 33’s from time to time and as long as the kicks are steep it feels awesome to me. Not sure why, but I’ve got it stuck in my craw to try 7.5 on 22’s, or whatever the right size is for that. I usually ride one wide set up and one skinny and I’m curious to see how smaller aces would feel
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately? I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately? I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate
how has the AF-1 pivot cup issue been for everyone lately? I want to try some 77s but I'm thinking about waiting until the next batch in case they've fixed the pivot problem in the baseplate
I feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?completely in no mans land
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.
No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.
Expand QuoteI have a pair of A1 55s on the way, not sure whether I should be stoked or not tbh[close]
I JUST set up a new complete tonight with ACR A1 66s, and one of the mounting holes was too small for the bolt!!!
The shop owner rolled her eyes and said ‘we’ve had a lot of that with Ace, including one truck missing a mounting hole’.
Fuck. I haven’t heard any of that on here, so unfortunately it just might be the shipment to Japan.
Nice, really selling me on these aces…
Fortunately she had a drill with the right sized bit and I got it on. Worked beautifully after that.
But fuck.
I do not typically advocate for swapping bushings in Aces, but my current 44 classics just weren't breaking in right and it was giving me some serious madness. I swapped the bottom bushings for white Indy 78a supersofts and they feel amazing...so fluid and perfect return from the stock tops.
No idea what's up with this set or what, but I am very happy with this fix.
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):i heard that Krux bushings are compatible with Aces. They're the right size and don't mess up the geometry apparently
What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.
Thanks for any help or any links
Maybe I'm a dumb but I have searched all over this board and google with no luck (such that I had to make an account to ask this):
What bushings can I use as replacements for my classic 44s? Bones mediums? I've had them for around a year but the bottom bushings just split on me and they feel kind of... sticky? For reference I'm ~175.
Thanks for any help or any links
completely in no mans landExpand QuoteI feel disgusting even writing this, but has anybody tried ace(af1) hanger on a krux baseplate?
It seems to fit perfectly, while making the wheelbase even shorter, making it lighter and lowering the truck 1-2mm.[close]
do it just to piss people off
anyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwardsI usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.
I usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.Expand Quoteanyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards[close]
Expand QuoteI usually ride an 8.25 with 44s and recently set up an 8 with 33s and I love it. My original intention was to relearn ledge trucks but after skating it for a few days it might become my primary setup.Expand Quoteanyone here rides skinny setups with Aces? how was it? thinking to set one up with 33s (with 8" board hopefully), most of posts i'm seeing here & setup thread are 44 upwards[close][close]
My favorite setup ever was a squared Roger 8" deck with 33's. Ace trucks on a board that feels more agile already is so fun, the height is perfect too.
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?Krux bushings are compatible with Ace trucks. But dude, just break the stock bushings in. Give it time and you'll realize what the hype is about.
Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
Ace bushings will firm up for sure, but mini logo bottoms are the same height assuming AF1s use the same size as the classics. That being said, an Indy bottoms are supposedly 1mm lower but neither my eyes nor my (non-digital) calipers can account for any difference.
b. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?
Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
bought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?
Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.
alright then I will try the krux bushing. I'm around 210 lbs. I'm not down with wheelbite.Expand Quotebought some AF1 55's recently but cant stand the soft bottom bushing. I would use a Bones but seems to throw geometry off. Anyone know of a slightly harder bushing that is tall like the stock bottom Ace?
Until then I have stock bottom Ace with a Bones hard top to make do.[close]
Krux bottom bushing with stock top is really nice. I weigh 180 lbs, so I can still get a nice carve out of them without too much wheelbite. I still like the stock bottoms, but I think they’re definitely designed for the average skater who weighs a bit less than I do.
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.
My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom
I really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.
My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom
What is this bullshit aboutnotgrinding on metalas welldifferent as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realizethisits different?
Can we compile a spreadsheet of bushing heights (brand new bushings only). I’m dead serious, would be an easy thing to do and will help all the people with truck madness get their shit sorted.
All bushing heights, brand new, upper and lower with and without the included washers (where applicable), measured with calipers in millimeters.
Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.
From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.
Low Bushing Set
Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness
Classic Bushing Set
Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness
As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:
Ace low
Total 22 mm
Top 10 mm
Bottom 12 mm
Ace classic
Total 26 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Venture stock 94a
Total 22.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 9.5 mm
Bottom 14 mm
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total 21 mm
Top 8 mm
Bottom 13 mm
* Added Venture in here as well.
Expand QuoteI really didn't like the AF1 44's I bought as others have mentioned, the extended wheelbase...something just felt "off". Been running my janky classic 44 hangers on the AF1 baseplates/angle grinded kingpin since my classic Ace baseplates all got loose kingpins. Finally hit the axle on these puppies and I don't want to spend money on new trucks, so I just set up the AF1 44 hangers again. Granted, I'm using different bushings than the stock ones, but the turning feels fucking nuts, nothing feels "off" about these now. I got three washers running on the inside of each wheel since these are only 8.25" wide, as to maximize the hanger space.
My only two complaints are: grinding on metal coping is much worse than classic Ace's, stickier by a lot. Haven't tried curbs yet. Also, there's too much space in the pivot cavity the hanger really sloshes back and forth a lot. I know it's not a cheap fix but they need a new mold with a slightly thicker pivot point on that hanger. I think it's the culprit for the weird sound the trucks make because that space creates a sort of "dead zone", while putting added stress on whatever pivot cup you choose. My 2cents, shalom[close]
Does the classic hangers go well in the af baseplates?
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
Expand QuoteWhich size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.[close]
55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.
Expand QuoteWhich size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.[close]
55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.
I'm an 8.75 guy and reached out to them on instagram about some trucks and they will be adding it to their lineup but wouldn't tell me when. I imagine it will fuck up the sizing charts once again...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhich size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.[close]
55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.[close]
That's the magic question and I concur with the answer. Still can't believe Ace didn't add an 8.75" axle to their rotation with the AF1s.
I love Ace but will always have a Thunder or other 8.75" truck in the equipment box just in case...
What is this bullshit about not grinding on metal as well as the OG version?
How can you make an upgraded version of a truck, test it with your team, and not realize this?
I feel how some do about the 8.75" size, but with 8.38". I wish they kept that width for the AF1 44's, it's such a good in-between size that has a range of board sizes it's compatible with, and with a couple axle washers on the inside it's plenty of hanger to grind on, while not having a slower turn compared to a wider truck.
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
People say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.
Expand QuotePeople say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.[close]
In the short time I was on my AF1 44's (before the pivot cup cracked, still awaiting replacement going on two months time) I noticed the newly designed axle nuts on the front truck kept loosening on their own. I tighten them down pretty much all the way too, very little play if any but still every few days I'd have to tighten them back up as they would get really loose. I was riding on pretty rough streets and over occasional cobblestones so lots of vibration but still, that doesn't happen to me with regular axle nuts. Hopefully you didn't get hurt. I'd hate to get an injury because of faulty equipment. If or when I skate mine again I'm going to swap out the new fancy axle nuts for standard ones. I also hope the washer click on the kingpin goes away, it was driving me mental.
Maybe it’s been brought up in this thread before, but maybe not. Anyone having issues using washers on AF1’s?
I can barely get the axle nut to sit flush with the end of the axle when I use both washers. Bearings are fully pressed into the wheels too
Maybe it’s been brought up in this thread before, but maybe not. Anyone having issues using washers on AF1’s?
I can barely get the axle nut to sit flush with the end of the axle when I use both washers. Bearings are fully pressed into the wheels too
You should be able to just stick a black plastic Indy pivot cup in there. My local sells them for $.99.
Which size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.
Expand QuotePeople say ride it until the wheels come off; last night I was skating at a spot went for a front side nose slide and my f****** wheel fell off of these Ace trucks I've never had that happen to me before.[close]
In the short time I was on my AF1 44's (before the pivot cup cracked, still awaiting replacement going on two months time) I noticed the newly designed axle nuts on the front truck kept loosening on their own. I tighten them down pretty much all the way too, very little play if any but still every few days I'd have to tighten them back up as they would get really loose. I was riding on pretty rough streets and over occasional cobblestones so lots of vibration but still, that doesn't happen to me with regular axle nuts. Hopefully you didn't get hurt. I'd hate to get an injury because of faulty equipment. If or when I skate mine again I'm going to swap out the new fancy axle nuts for standard ones. I also hope the washer click on the kingpin goes away, it was driving me mental.
I'm an 8.75 guy and reached out to them on instagram about some trucks and they will be adding it to their lineup but wouldn't tell me when. I imagine it will fuck up the sizing charts once again...Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhich size AF1 should I get for an 8.75 deck? Might run the 9 inch axle without the inner washer but I was wondering if 8.5s are a better fit.[close]
55's if you like to flip your board, 66's if you want more stability and grind room. Both will work fine, I usually prefer flush or slightly more narrow trucks than my deck (magic carpet) but i pretty much just skate low impact street stuff these days.[close]
That's the magic question and I concur with the answer. Still can't believe Ace didn't add an 8.75" axle to their rotation with the AF1s.
I love Ace but will always have a Thunder or other 8.75" truck in the equipment box just in case...[close]
decided to grab a set of 55 af1s and ended up tweaking my ankle (minor) as they arrived lol. i’m coming from indy 149s. i aligned the two together and noticed that the ace’s wb looks abit funky to me.
for anyone who’s made the switch recently, what have you noticed?
tried the af1's for a couple of weeks and then put my classics back on. from my experiencing of trying both out, the classics are way better. by a mile. the only thing i think are better on the af1's are the bushings, but thats about it.came back to give an update. the classics are still better. haven't touched my af1's in a while and i don't plan on remounting them on my go-to. maybe its bc i got the 8.5 inch axle ones and i ride 8.25's. once my ace 44 classics are done, i COULD get the 8.25 inch axle AF1's but i'm hard pressed to even do that because i like the classics better anyway.
Felt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.
These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.
I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.
Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.
All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.
Expand QuoteFelt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.
These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.
I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.
Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.
All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.[close]
Are these your first Ace Trucks, then?
I am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.
I am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.
Expand QuoteI am still riding my 55 classics on my main rig, but have AF1 55s on a slightly smaller board and dont really mind them. They're fine. I've got some AF1 77s coming today for my Curb Killer and I hope I didnt fuck up by not getting the 66 classics because for the kind of skating I wanna do with this board (curbs duh) it could be the one place I really notice a difference.[close]
I have this combo more or less (I have the very big egg which is the same shape just not razor top), AF1 77s with F4 classic 53s and it is a curb dream. You’ll be very happy with it.
Saw Bledsoe post in his story a setup with some Ace's and wonder if he was on that list of ppl who got them as promo
Thought y'all were tripping about the clicking, mine just started and now I see what you all mean.
As much as I like the slightly longer wheelbase, at this point I do prefer my classics
Second session on AF1’s, the clicking just started.
Does it go away of do I have to fix it?
Pretty much went away during the sessionExpand QuoteSecond session on AF1’s, the clicking just started.
Does it go away of do I have to fix it?[close]
Yeah mine went away after a few sessions
What's the best hard/medium bushing for AF1s. Like the Indy black and the indy blue equivalent
Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)
Anyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)
Expand QuoteWhat's the best hard/medium bushing for AF1s. Like the Indy black and the indy blue equivalent[close]
Still trying to find this out myself... Ace made some comment on instagram recently that harder bushings will be available soon. I'm using a Krux bottom barrel and stock top ace on my AF1 and its been way better than their squishy bottom that comes stock.
My front truck pivot cup is liquefying. I’ve done a lot of damage to gear and had some weird things happen, but I’ve never had a pivot cup melt away before. That’s a first for me. I haven’t been doing slappies eitherExpand QuoteAnyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)[close]
Yes. Classics and AF1s. It’s just how it goes with Aces.
I just keep going until the situation is dire enough for the pivot cup bushings to need a replacement and then repeat until the trucks are dead.
My front truck pivot cup is liquefying. I’ve done a lot of damage to gear and had some weird things happen, but I’ve never had a pivot cup melt away before. That’s a first for me. I haven’t been doing slappies eitherExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone else shredding their pivot cups from doing slappies? (Not using washers)[close]
Yes. Classics and AF1s. It’s just how it goes with Aces.
I just keep going until the situation is dire enough for the pivot cup bushings to need a replacement and then repeat until the trucks are dead.[close]
How many ace pilots actually ride the af1s? I needed no fixing at all, the clicking was there for a bit but that aside, everything works just great. Might as well swap the classics back for some time since Idon't remember how they felt.So far I love mine. Had to adjust a little to the softer bushings and clicking, but new trucks are ALWAYS a hassle. Some adjustment is expected.
Felt compelled to comment here on my experience with the AF1 55s I have been skating for the last 4 months. Let me foreground this by saying I have never owned Ace classics before, and have for the last 5 years been exclusively thunder 151s and 149s (loose with risers), so my judgement is based only on this comparison and maybe this might help some looking at a switch with no prior experience with aces. Was always keen to try a pair of classics but couldn't jive with the sizes as I ride 8.5 - 8.75 boards. FYI I am mainly skating street and haven't had a good opportunity in transition with them.
These are well made trucks, the QC exceeds the last pair of Thunders I had and I have had no issues with the pivot cups as commonly reported and I do a shit ton of noseslides and crooks for that matter. Slides on the nose and tail felt immediately faster and longer due the extended baseplate. One downside for me coming from thunders though slides don't feel as securely locked in, and the baseplate is pretty chewed up already. They grind normally on everything but feel especially good on concrete.
I ride them a bit looser than factory and was honestly surprised at how stable they were coming from my thunders. I have also started riding smaller wheelbase decks than I usually would with these trucks, and am really feeling the benefits in terms of maneuverability. Flatground feels good for this reason and the pop feel when combined with a steep deck is really nice, but doesn't quite have that kind of delayed heft my thunders give. They are heavy though, and I think if i was still on longer wheelbases this may be more difficult to manage, but on 14.25 - 14.5 they feel quite responsive.
Although I haven't started slaloming around the park, the turn is definitively more of a carve than a twitch like thunders, it is different, not necessarily better or worse. I feel like I had my thunders pretty dialed in turns of turn anyway. I am around 180lbs, 6'3 with size 14 clompers and am usually running 54-56 wheels when they are fresh. I don't use risers with them and get wheelbite but it is not as severe, in terms of getting thrown off the board as I would with thunders.
All in all I like them, and will keep riding because they seem to get better with age, or I am just getting more accustomed to them as you would with any truck.
Buddy of mine works at a shop and got a text from a rep with a sneak peak of a bunch of AF1 baseplates in both hi and lo with hollow kingpins. He couldn't confirm if they'll have hollow axles though.
Expand QuoteBuddy of mine works at a shop and got a text from a rep with a sneak peak of a bunch of AF1 baseplates in both hi and lo with hollow kingpins. He couldn't confirm if they'll have hollow axles though.[close]
So are they selling baseplates with hollow king pins separate or are they gonna be for a different version of the af1
Referring to one’s self as an “ace pilot” gives me second hand embarrassment. You fools are basing your personality around a skateboard truck. With that said, thunder gang 4 lyfeyou clearly have
Welp my pivot cups got shredded after about a month of skating em regularly. Will Indy pivot cups work as a replacement? What have other ppl used besides riptides?
I got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022
Expand QuoteI got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022[close]
Really wish they would make a hollow version of the classics
I've had the same pair of ace trucks for well over a year, maybe even 2 and i fuckin love them. they're minimal, after skating with these for so long, when i look at someone else's trucks they look wayyy to big to me. they got the most fantastic crooked grind groove ever too, BUT, the pivot cup is all fucked up, i tried taking them apart and replacing the pivot cup but they put something in there so it won't come out. i tried pliers to no avail and even tried to burn it out but the fumes and the fact that it might not work were freaking me out so i just put it back on all mangled. as of now it rides fine i guess but it turns to one side so bad.
so, too long, but is there any way to get those fucking pivot cups out? i guess my second concern is that i do finally get it out and the new one i have doesn't fit in right. but i really don't want to buy new trucks. what's the word?
i feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.
i feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.
Expand Quotei feel like all ive been hearing lately is ace, ace, ace, but it so often ends in "i went back to [truck i was riding before]". If i am currently riding Venture 5.8 Hollows w/dlx 97 bushings, everyone who rides my board points out how tight they are, and mostly curbs, ledges, and small transition stuff, is it even worth trying these out? I feel like I've heard enough about them I want to but also don't want to regret a purchase after a week or so.[close]
I have been on Ace's for many years and as much as I tried to like the AF1's they just have some major issues that I personally cannot deal with, mainly the pivot cups and high kingpin length, along with the longer wheelbase feeling weird as it gave me more wheelbite and whatnot. Classics are great but sloppy quality control with each set, and again, long ass kingpins.
Never skated Ventures in my life until last weekend I got a set of 5.8 standards and I was blown away. Swapped out the stock bushings for softer supercush's and waxed the stock pivot cups. They are super stable and still turn very well, I think the "they don't turn" echo is false, just make sure it's on a 14.25" or shorter WB I guess, since that's what mine are on. I'm done with Ace until maybe they can sort their scatterbrain research and development process and china quality control. Would I still choose Ace over Indy though? All day.
TL;DR if you are not itching to try the Ace turny geometry, don't worry about missing out on much more than that.
Aces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.
Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.
Expand QuoteAces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.
Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.[close]
For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.
Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.[close]
For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite[close]
Short tails also! I get the best pop with my Krooked Drehobl shape with Ace 55 classics, 1/8” risers and 60mm Ricta Clouds. That thing has a tiny tail. 6.3” I think.
I wish I could get 60mm 97A conical fulls or even find the 58mm anywhere in Europe. That would be a dream setup for the streets over here. And then 99A during the winter indoor park season. One can only dream!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.
Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.[close]
For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite[close]
Short tails also! I get the best pop with my Krooked Drehobl shape with Ace 55 classics, 1/8” risers and 60mm Ricta Clouds. That thing has a tiny tail. 6.3” I think.
I wish I could get 60mm 97A conical fulls or even find the 58mm anywhere in Europe. That would be a dream setup for the streets over here. And then 99A during the winter indoor park season. One can only dream![close]
nordicskateboardsupply.se have the 58mm.
Expand QuoteAces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.
Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.[close]
For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAces with big wheels are the best. I just switched out my worn out 54mm (to about 49mm) wheels to 56mm ones and wondered why I didn’t do it much before.
Much better pop feel with bigger wheels. I use 1/8” risers also. 58 and 60 mm wheels feel best IMO but are sadly not very widely available around here.[close]
For sure, I’m on AF1 55’s with 60mm Powell bombers/58mm F4’s (I alternate a lot) and it’s great. Fast but without worrying about wheelbite[close]
you use any risers?
AF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stoppedSo where does the wheelbase sit at compared to indys? It is longer than the classics though, no?
So where does the wheelbase sit at compared to indys? It is longer than the classics though, no?Expand QuoteAF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stopped[close]
Lower than standard Indy. I’m a forged hollow dude so I got AF1 thinking they’d be basically a replacement as I care more about height than weight. Pivot cups melted. Grind was great tho on granite.
So where does the wheelbase sit at compared to indys? It is longer than the classics though, no?Expand QuoteAF1 wheelbase is still shorter. They firm up and my clicking never stopped[close]
Thanks for the insightful replies on the wheelbase matters. I guess the height really is what does it for my flip tricks. Had one of the best sessions I've had in quite some time last night and I'm gonna say that was on AF1's part. My board just felt right.
Oski has some different looking aces on his board here. Originally there was a different post that had a better shot of the trucks from the front but that has since been deleted and now there’s this post which doesn’t have the same truck picture. Interesting that it would be deleted. Maybe some new ace model? Seems weird since they just dropped the af1s
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTYlrY1FuaL/?utm_medium=copy_link
It almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.
That one might be the clearest pic...
(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)
Expand QuoteIt almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.
That one might be the clearest pic...
(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)[close]
Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking
I got word from a reliable source that AF1 Hollow Axle Hollow Kingpin are coming Spring 2022
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.
That one might be the clearest pic...
(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)[close]
Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking[close]
How would that even turn :P
I've heard from a friend that knows a friend, that Oski is starting a new Truck Brand... I though he was tripping but now seeing that image I actually start to believe it! Curious to see how that's gonna look like.
Expand QuoteI've heard from a friend that knows a friend, that Oski is starting a new Truck Brand... I though he was tripping but now seeing that image I actually start to believe it! Curious to see how that's gonna look like.[close]
Reliable source just confirmed Oski is creating a truck brand called Lurpiv
https://www.trademarkelite.com/europe/trademark/trademark-detail/018383125/LURPIV
Looks like what ace would look like in THPS 1.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.
That one might be the clearest pic...
(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)[close]
Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking[close]
How would that even turn :P[close]
Seriously, I am very confused about that truck and am extremely curious to see how it works.
Looks like what ace would look like in THPS 1.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIt almost looks like the old Indy Stage II (2) shape.
That one might be the clearest pic...
(https://i.ibb.co/w7YhHPC/Oski-Trucks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3vkmXjW)[close]
Either that's a strange digital artifact, or Ace has something weird cooking[close]
How would that even turn :P[close]
Seriously, I am very confused about that truck and am extremely curious to see how it works.[close]
is there even bushings in those trucks lol
Looks like Bobby’s time on Ace was short lived just like every other pro that got free AF1 box: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTesLcujz7S/?utm_medium=copy_link
same here. went from 149s to 55s few months ago. bombing hills and doing powerslides feels nice on the af1s! my 149s always had bones hard bushings too and the aces still feel more stable. my af1s are tightened about 1-2 threads showing
https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E (https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E)
lol @ 01:26
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/885225998919016448/unknown.png)
Expand Quotehttps://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E (https://youtu.be/g5vX68in60E)
lol @ 01:26
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741334087759036470/885225998919016448/unknown.png)[close]
Not to mention that he says he skates Ti, but then takes the Ti hanger off and makes them just forged hollows.
Is it just me or that video now comes up as private?
Anyone care to share the who, what, etc?
The comments remind me of Evan Smith with one 149 and one 159 truck in his video.
EDIT:
Just saw the email notification, so guessing it was this one:
(https://i.ibb.co/r4QkJnS/mail.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gcd7jgL)
Yeah, it's unbelievable how so many pro's have zero clue about gear.
It doesn't make sense either way because standard/forged aluminium baseplates are way lighter than a titanium baseplate would be. Did any company ever make a titanium baseplate? There's really no reason to do that.
Really makes you wonder how much of a weight reduction is placebo effect. Almost as if titanium is more of an expensive “bragging right “ over hollow. He’s not the first to think the baseplate is aluminum either. I think Servold called it a “titanium baseplate “ too?
Anyone who blew out an AF1 pivot cup have experience with riptides vs regular af1 replacements? I accidentally bought the regular ace replacement pivot cups and they’re a little smaller and clicking so not going to ride those. Curious if the riptide ones last longer or if any other alternatives exist that won’t mess with geometry.
Edit - does riptide even make an AF1 specific pivot cup? I’m only seeing one option. Seeing as the AF1 stock ones seem to be a bit bigger than OG ace ones not sure if that would mess with geometry at all.
Expand QuoteAnyone who blew out an AF1 pivot cup have experience with riptides vs regular af1 replacements? I accidentally bought the regular ace replacement pivot cups and they’re a little smaller and clicking so not going to ride those. Curious if the riptide ones last longer or if any other alternatives exist that won’t mess with geometry.
Edit - does riptide even make an AF1 specific pivot cup? I’m only seeing one option. Seeing as the AF1 stock ones seem to be a bit bigger than OG ace ones not sure if that would mess with geometry at all.[close]
They do not make an AF1 specific cup AFAIK but it might be worth reaching out to them about.
I too had the stock AF1 cups blow out very quickly and threw some spare Ace RipTides in there. They do work but there is a lot of play in the pivot area so I decided against using them.
Ace sent me replacements when I contacted them about the cups.
The clicking you’re talking about is from the washer hitting the kingpin. I haven’t found a solution.
https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw (https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw)
Lol
Expand Quotehttps://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw (https://youtu.be/QJ2jqwIVpJw)
Lol[close]
Is this the fixed version of the video everyone was talking about last week?
(https://i.ibb.co/xLkCxHX/E207-EE09-A0-D8-4-DBF-A8-A8-87-A2-DF7315-C2.png)
8.75” AF1s coming soon? ???
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT9pTHMloI1/?utm_medium=copy_link
Anyone have good things to say about the 8.38 and 55 Classics combo? I’ve always wanted to try that out since I saw on Instagram a while back (shout out to nozbone skateshop in paris lol) that thats what Remy Taveira skates.
Anyone have good things to say about the 8.38 and 55 Classics combo? I’ve always wanted to try that out since I saw on Instagram a while back (shout out to nozbone skateshop in paris lol) that thats what Remy Taveira skates.
interesting setup. somewhat similar to peter hewitt running the 8.38 on 159 indys
I was hesitant to get some AF1's due to all the pivot cup issues but I found a paid that had perfect pivot cavity in the baseplate.
After 6 sessions, the cup ripped and suddenly there was now a small divot in the cavity in the exact spot that others posted. I put a new cup in and it ripped in 1 session.
As far as I'm concerned, these things are flawed from a design/manufacturing perspective. Save your money and avoid the headaches
The people at Ace must know about the pivot cup issue right?
Expand QuoteThe people at Ace must know about the pivot cup issue right?[close]
I went to Ace’s social media posts and expected to see a bunch of angry Ace fans in the comments about the pivot cup problems but there was nothing. Looks like y’all need to turn the heat up on them to force a response
Anyone else found that pivot cup issues only happen when you're not running washers? I mostly skate curbs and I used to skate my aces without bushings wiggly loose, I'd go through one pivot cup every session. Since then I've been tightening my trucks until I can use both washers comfortably and I no longer have pivot cup issues at all. I'm guessing this is because
a) washers change the geometry
or
b) looser trucks simply allow the pivot to mash further into the pivot cup
Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD. Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.
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Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD. Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.[close]
is that an opinion or a fact?
i'm not saying AF1s don't have issues but Shrewgy and Joey T have a long history of truck design. (Venture, Thunder Indy).
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Indy stage 11 and most other modern trucks were designed using CAD. Ace were designed by looking at an old truck and telling a factory to make one just like it.[close]
is that an opinion or a fact?
i'm not saying AF1s don't have issues but Shrewgy and Joey T have a long history of truck design. (Venture, Thunder Indy).[close]
The premise is flawed, in addition to being incorrect. CAD isn’t some sort of magic software that assures everything works flawlessly - every bridge that falls in or condo in Miami which collapses was designed in CAD. You can design shitty things in CAD.
Second, you can’t just hand an old truck to a forge in Taiwan and get back a finished product. Even if Ace didn’t draw it up in CAD themselves (and why wouldn’t they, given that they have experience designing trucks?), they would have contracted with someone to do it for them, probably making a mock up in SolidWorks like 99% of everything else manufacturers in the last fifteen years. The didn’t draw up design freehand and hope for the best.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUXje54l1yz/?utm_medium=copy_linkMy prayers have been answered. Nut flush with Aces in a few days. Hallefuckinlujah.
Ace just released 94a hard bushings for classics and AF-1's.
(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)being a pro and having to change boards often, i cant fathom running that long of hardware. youd think theyd look for something shorter to make life easier.
ron's aces
being a pro and having to change boards often, i cant fathom running that long of hardware. youd think theyd look for something shorter to make life easier.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces[close]
1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
that looks like 1 1/4" or at the minimum 1 1/8" which just seems unnecessary. 1" or 7/8" is fine.Expand Quotebeing a pro and having to change boards often, i cant fathom running that long of hardware. youd think theyd look for something shorter to make life easier.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces[close][close]
1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.
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1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.[close]
Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.
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1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.[close]
Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.[close]
I can’t prove it with anything but anecdotal evidence but my experience has been 7/8” comes loose on me way easier. Maybe if you sink it way into your deck you’re good but I don’t like going further than flush and having my hardware tight as it needs to be right there
(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces
quite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces[close]
I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.
quite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces[close]
I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.[close]
be that as it may, but whatever the reason is, he still chose the classics.Expand Quotequite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces[close]
I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.[close][close]
It may just be that he prefers the wider width of the Classic.
Expand Quotequite literally exactly what i was thinking. ace gave themselves an L by posting that. even their pro riders prefer classics over the af1’s.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/sW4xDJn/Get-Attachment-Thumbnail-id-AQMk-ADAw-ATY3-Zm-YAZS1h-Nm-Rh-LThh-MWYt-MDACLTAw-Cg-BGAAADKN2lh-Alixkad.png) (https://ibb.co/TWGjnq6)
ron's aces[close]
I find it telling that ronnie is still rocking classics.[close][close]
It may just be that he prefers the wider width of the Classic.
Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm. ;)
My Ace AF1 55s. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)
and my Ace AF1 33s. I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)
Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm. ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.
My Ace AF1 55s. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)
and my Ace AF1 33s. I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)
Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm. ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.
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i use 7/8" on forged baseplate..and 1” on cast baseplate.Expand Quote
1” hardware is great. It doesn’t loosen up on rough ground, so you don’t oval your baseplates. I also find that since I basically never have to re-tighten it it lasts me way longer.[close]
Length of the hardware is irrelevant if the nut/nylock size is the same and all threads are engaged.[close]
I can’t prove it with anything but anecdotal evidence but my experience has been 7/8” comes loose on me way easier. Maybe if you sink it way into your deck you’re good but I don’t like going further than flush and having my hardware tight as it needs to be right there[close]
A lot of 7/8 hardware comes with shorter nuts, might be why. If you skate risers, i recommend soft rubber ones, they will help a lot with hardware vibrating loose.
(https://i.imgur.com/UOby1Sy.jpg)
Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.
(https://i.imgur.com/UOby1Sy.jpg)I also ended up buying the hard bushings for my classic 66s. I never tightened them though. Hope they make a difference.
Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
I bought a pair for my classic 66s as well. I sure hope they make a difference too. Hopefully I will test them out this afternoon when I get out of work.I also ended up buying the hard bushings for my classic 66s. I never tightened them though. Hope they make a difference.Expand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/UOby1Sy.jpg)
Hopefully I can start enjoying my AF1 44s now. I couldn't skate them with threads showing.[close]
Expand QuoteI don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…[close]
My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
You are insanely incorrect with this info and digging a hole for yourself with some very well-informed gear heads. All the best...
Expand QuoteI don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…[close]
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally? ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?! ::)
and my Ace AF1 33s. I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)
I don't think this is the place for me. ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)
My Ace AF1 55s. 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/vgPeGIo.jpg)
and my Ace AF1 33s. I never ride this board, I'm too afraid to damage it. I'm 58 and this deck was like the 'Holy Grail' in the 70s. Never thought I'd own one but I do now. ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/JlfPiBR.jpg)
Ace AF1s are the best trucks on the market! NOTHING turns as fast as or is stronger. Jeff Tershey took the Stage 3 geometry when he left Independent after working there for years with Eric and Fausto and tweaked it to perfection. Except for downhill, I doubt I'll ever buy another brand of truck for pool riding. Ace is also what comes on all completes from Alva Skates. Good enough for T.A.? Good enough for me and of ALL the people I know who switched over to Ace? Everybody loves them! Not a single complaint ever from anyone, just enthusiasm. ;)
* I just wish they would come out with a 10" Model '88' so I can replace the Indy 215s on my 10x33 pool board.
My new slappy/pool board. 10x33 Moose blank, Indy 215s, a custom paint job that will cost MORE than the rest of the board, side rails and these 'trash' 53mm wheels with a huge radius on the inside and a small contact patch, along with cheap bearings for Slappy Grind Saturdays with the crew.Fuck off.
I swap out the wheels and bearings for 56mm Spitfire F4 Full Conicals with Bones Swiss 6 Balls for pool riding.
(https://i.imgur.com/O7ICn3D.jpg)
Fuck off.Fuck your mother for both mistakes.
OK, boomer.
Fuck your mother for both mistakes.Expand QuoteFuck off.[close]
My mother passed last year but she had better taste than to fuck any dude that had this vibe.Fuck your mother for both mistakes.Expand QuoteFuck off.[close]
I don't think this is the place for me. ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)
Quick question before you bail @Lhotse
Did you quit skateboarding and start again due to the Dogtown documentary?
And you are not a pro. Dumb analogy. You are old and out of touch. Being old is fine. I'm old. Being out of touch is fine. But know when you are and own it.
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021
I have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.
I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'
But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.
Expand QuoteI have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.
I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'
But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.[close]
and you care too much about other people's objective opinions that don't coincide with yours. I didn't seek you out to talk trash, you knocked on my door, sonny boy. I said I like Ace AF1 trucks and posted a picture of my current set-up with an 8.5 Element deck that I like just fine. All of YOU, lost your shit! ;D
This whole 'Ace thing' is just like when Indy released Stage 9. Half the people screamed "Indy sucks and I'll never buy 'em again" and the other half said "It's stupid to think Indy would make anything bad. It's Indy. Skate or die!" lmao
I say anything is good if you like it and it works for you. You don't need to buy something else just because someone who doesn't care about you, says so. Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.
I don't think this is the place for me. ::)
You guys are like those golfers who think they can buy their game in the pro shop, instead of taking a lesson from the pro and just learning how to hit a golf ball correctly.
You keep buying into a marketing strategy that tries to convince you that what you bought last year now sucks and you have to spend more money to stay relevant.
We used to cut our decks out of pine and oak boards and glue on wedges for kicktails and pour our bearings into the wheels because we had nothing else. The Alva plywood deck didn't come out until '77 and Rodney didn't invent street skating for another 10 years. I started on Bennett, then Tracker Mids and then Independent in '82 until I bought these Aces last spring and I've either owned, knew someone who did or at least seen everything that's come out for the last 47 years and know what? Bashing my deck for no good reason is just a douche thing to do and if you NEED a particular popsicle deck to ride your best, anymore than a scratch golfer actually 'needs' Beryllium Copper irons instead of forged steel? I don't think you're as good of a skater as you think you are.
Remember, the companies NEED you to keep buying every year to stay in business, you don't 'need' the difference in one $60. popsicle deck over another to skate. It's all in your head but go ahead and blather on like you know everything.
What does experience count for, right? You read Thrasher every month, you know everything. ::)
Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.
Fuck your mother for both mistakes.
Expand QuoteI have made zero assumptions about you while you continue to make many about other posters here.
I asked you one question. That is not making a 'ton of assumptions.'
But I will make one now. You are intellectually challenged and very evidently incapable of a coherent discourse. As someone else mentioned, it is sad to see wisdom does not always come with age.[close]
and you care too much about other people's objective opinions that don't coincide with yours. I didn't seek you out to talk trash, you knocked on my door, sonny boy. I said I like Ace AF1 trucks and posted a picture of my current set-up with an 8.5 Element deck that I like just fine. All of YOU, lost your shit! ;D
This whole 'Ace thing' is just like when Indy released Stage 9. Half the people screamed "Indy sucks and I'll never buy 'em again" and the other half said "It's stupid to think Indy would make anything bad. It's Indy. Skate or die!" lmao
I say anything is good if you like it and it works for you. You don't need to buy something else just because someone who doesn't care about you, says so. Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.
um… it was a joke, but that sure escalated quickly :0Expand QuoteI don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…[close]
1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally? ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?! ::)
Not all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;D
This is untrue with "popsicle boards" however in your defense it maybe true with longboards. That being said I think your in the wrong place for that horseshit. Too-da-looI know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;DExpand QuoteNot all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.[close]
I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;DExpand QuoteNot all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.[close]
I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;DExpand QuoteNot all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.[close]
Happy that I can add "extremely confident and extremely misinformed, longboard boomer" to my list of internet guy archetypes.
Lhotse,
If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.
As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.
But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.
Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.
Lhotse,
If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.
As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.
But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.
Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.
I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?!Expand QuoteNot all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.[close]
I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;DExpand QuoteNot all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.[close]
Want some actual Wisdom? Try to be a nicer and more positive and accepting person. Winning arguments by being clever isn't all it's cracked up to be and you'll find your overall quality of life will significantly improve without the unnecessary toxicity wearing you down over time.
With all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.
Expand QuoteWith all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.[close]
I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.
what the fuck jus happened here?I probably shouldn’t have joked about the element board…
Expand QuoteWith all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.[close]
I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.
I don’t think Indy could pay for a better marketing strategy than Llhotse’s presence here.
I mean if you're just doing your level of hill bombing and barely competent skating then yeah it'll all ride the same.Expand QuoteWith all due respect, this is incorrect. Boards manufactured overseas from where they are sold have to be shipped, and the conditions that the wood endures whether flown or shipped significantly affect its structural integrity.[close]
I don't care about that anymore than where the wood came from or what brand of wood glue they used or what town it's from, I'll fall back on my original point, how does it ride?
and not for nothing, implying that Chinese workers are somehow inferior to any other country is just ignorant. They make everything you're wearing and almost everything else in your house. Nowpeople wanna get fussy about origin because it's skateboards and not Air Jordans? 'the f*ck outta here with that. I say NONE of that sales-pitch bullshit means anything unless you can ride it. Just like golf, you can't buy skill in a store.
What is your go-to iHOP order @Lhotse? Myself, I like saying "rooty-tooty-fresh-n-fruity" out loud, but when it comes down to it, you can bet your bottom dollar I order the sampler with a side of biscuits and gravy.
All of this brings me to my next point:
What ever happened to good ol' fashioned family fun? Heck, every Wednesday night as a kid we'd have family board game night. We'd order in pizza or some other type of take out and just really get to know each other. Scrabble, Monopoly, Risk, you name it. Charades was a family classic at the pugmaster household*!
So much has changed... smart phones have everyone like zombies these days. Even at the Elk's lodge! I'm like, "everyone, put down that DAG GUM** PHONE!" Makes me fit to be tied!
*Before the divorce
**I actually say God damn
Expand QuoteLhotse,
If you grew up through the 70’s and 80’s, you know that people could be just as obsessive about their gear as people now. Especially trucks. This is no different than then.
Kids now that do through decks monthly or even weekly do notice differences in manufacturing. I’m not at that level, so like you I don’t notice nor care, but there is a huge thread dedicated just to US woodshops, and which brands use them.
As for Ace, except for having to drill out a mounting hole because it wasn’t big enough for a bolt to pass through (not great quality control), I haven’t had a problem with Ace yet either.
But half this thread is people talking about the shitty problems they’ve had with Ace’s. So it was a bit funny when you came in talking about how everyone loves them and don’t have any problems.
Which is fine, but people on here take it as seriously as skaters have always taken this shit, and the whole point of these gear forums is for people to quibble about stuff.[close]
Yea, I know, you're right of course but man, do they have to get so cunty about it? I said I liked something, not "something sucks" and then this.
Ace thread always delivering the heat in the calm cool ocean of Shoes & Gear.
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
I mean if you're just doing your level of hill bombing and barely competent skating then yeah it'll all ride the same.
admittedly, as someone that has had some bad takes on slap, holy shit dude what the hell are you on about? i dont think the hill you're on is one you should be willing to die for.I know that but who the f*ck cares where it's made?! You think it makes a huge difference and I'm telling you it doesn't and I've owned a ton of them. You'll chew them all up and break them, just as fast. It's just maple veneers and wood glue in a die press, not cold fusion. Believe what you want but if I sanded down any two 'over $50.' popsicle boards and set them up the same, I'd be VERY surprised if you could tell me which was which from riding them. I'm not talking about Walmart decks, the upper-end well known brands but keep insulting me instead of validating your point without other people's help to make yourself feel superior. lmao I can feel your rage from here. ;DExpand QuoteNot all 'popsicles' are made in China for instance. We have threads and threads about all the information you think you know.[close]
Expand QuoteI mean if you're just doing your level of hill bombing and barely competent skating then yeah it'll all ride the same.[close]
Wow...calling some of you people stupid, just might be insulting to stupid people.
As for where and what I do that you seem so knowledgeable about? THIS! THE most awesome pool, purpose built for skating ever created that we call The Pit, is where I ride the 8.5 Element Seal board that's supposedly so shitty because..I have Size 12 feet and long legs and it's the longest 8.5" deck I could find that fits me.
So go fuck yourself, you pretentious cunt and just to pile on a little more? The Pit is a little more than a 5 minute walk from my house.
The 7 ft deep so-called 'Shallow end'.
(https://i.imgur.com/hPejyTJ.jpg)
The very deep indeed, 12 ft 'Deep end'.
(https://i.imgur.com/GXpe8xV.jpg)
*Ace related sidenote: See the second "m" in "remember"? My Indy 149 hung up right there and I freefell backwards down to the bottom and fractured a rib in my back last year. With my Ace AF1s 55s? I barely feel the bump and I like that a lot. I've never ridden anything that turns like those trucks. Sorry for not hatin'.
*The back of my helmet after that fall
(https://i.imgur.com/t28VAb5.jpg)
@Lhotse those are cool pictures of a pool, but no proof of you actually skating it.
However, let’s get to the brass tax here -
1. Because people give a dissenting opinion to your (extremely subjective) does not give you the right to throw a temper tantrum and start insulting people. All it does is invalidate any claims you will further make.
2. Don’t try and race bait, it is in exceptionally poor taste. All it does is negate the plight of third world workers and show you don’t have a requisite understanding of capitalism and global supply chains.
3. I think there is a long boarding forum where you may feel more comfortable. I think it’s called silverfish? I used to go to hardcore shows with a kid who pushed mongo and couldn’t ollie and loved longboarding who would always talk about it.
In summation, if you want to stick around here and keep posting, please have some civility and express the desire to learn.
Otherwise, please go back to that pool you can’t drop in on, crack a couple of cold ones, and talk with the other ignorant pad dads about Jason Jesse got cancelled for no reason by a soft generation of skaters.
I'm a little annoyed that some of you are coming over here and egging this coconut on, but I've been working through it by reading his posts in Joe Biden's voice.
I'm a little annoyed that some of you are coming over here and egging this coconut on, but I've been working through it by reading his posts in Joe Biden's voice.
I don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…
Expand QuoteI don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…[close]
1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally? ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?! ::)
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
Expand Quoteso there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?[close]
I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?
Expand Quoteso there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?[close]
Yeah, my board-breaker friend is perfectly happy with his stock AF1s, and he's actually something of a gearhead.
so there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?
I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?
Expand Quoteso there are people who actually have not broken the pivot cups?[close]
Yes lots according to some shops / distros with AF1 truck sales in the thousands and minimal / no complaints back to them, so I kind of wonder if or how people are taking out their frustrations, besides online here...
Joy be to Slap!Expand Quote
I was thinking about trying the AF1s, should I get aftermarket pivot cups and put them in right away?[close]
I would only ever replace them if they have an issue.
Never hurts to have some spare pivot cups around anyway though.
For real. And, that said, considering all the wack brands and graphics people ride just because the board is the “right” dimensions, simply responding “it’s the longest 8.5 I could find” at the beginning instead of freaking the fuck out would’ve probably ended things right there. Hell, someone who shares the same need for long 8.5s would’ve probably just linked you to some other shapes you’d probably enjoy (or, like, a thread that discusses deck length as opposed to Ace trucks) and that would’ve been it.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI don’t know if I’m quite ready to trust someone riding an element deck in 2021, but it’s good to see it’s not all doom and gloom on these last few pages. I have a pair of AF1 55s that I’ve been meaning to setup but every time I check this thread I start to self doubt my decision…[close]
1) You have a problem with my deck? It's a popsicle board. With the exception of something like Powell's 'Flight' decks, once you get past $50, there really isn't much difference in any of them. They all get 'private labeled' out the same factory in China with different graphics applied for the customer's brand name. My Element is no different than your Baker, Creature or Plan B but go ahead and bash me if it makes you happy.
2) You actually bought trucks or ANY gear and...you didn't install it within seconds of getting it and ride the sh!t out of it until the sun went down? Do you admire them on a shelf like some 'Objet d'art'? Do you dust them off occasionally? ;D
and YOU are criticizing ME? REALLY?! ::)[close]
TBH man, I think he was just teasing you a bit because Element isn't a very cool brand anymore. It's usually better to roll with it than to dig in deep, defending your board choice. No one really cared, but when you start swinging at a gentle ribbing, you come off looking needlessly aggressive.
What the McFuck happened in here.
To borrow from @pugmaster, ”Dag Gum It!”
It appears I missed all the fun.
Can’t believe that I’ve slept on this thread for long enough to miss all of the Lhotse fireworks.
Homey really is making the rest of us older dudes, who actually still take this shit seriously, look pretty bad.
I’m sorry to all of you on behalf of the aged.
Not as sorry as I feel about missing out on this awesome, minor slice of SLAP history.
Truly an epic read.
Great stuff PALS.
I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;DIs it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
Expand QuoteI got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;D[close]
Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good
I honestly don't even think it's the bushings, but the pivot cups. Seeing how everyone had problems with them ripping, I put in some old Indy pivot cups and it doesn't seem so soft and loose anymore. Killed 2 birds with 1 stone for me.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;D[close]
Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them good[close]
Yeah the Ace Hard bushings don’t feel different to me either aside from being more squeaky. Hopefully they’ll firm up.
Maybe after a few sessions? I rocked back in forth for my whole lunch break, before I posted and There was no resistance at all. Pretty bummed because I had high hopes.Is it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them goodExpand QuoteI got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;D[close]
Real bummer to hear although I had already tried the Indy blacks in them and found them pretty unstable. They're fine for me with Bones hards so I guess that's the move still.Maybe after a few sessions? I rocked back in forth for my whole lunch break, before I posted and There was no resistance at all. Pretty bummed because I had high hopes.Expand QuoteIs it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them goodExpand QuoteI got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;D[close][close]
Dude, you need a good Persian Rug in your attic space to rock those new AF1s back and fore on for a few nights before hitting the streets.Ok I ordered one, but where should I post the footage?
Yeah I will give them a couple hours and if they still suck I will go back to Bones hards.Real bummer to hear although I had already tried the Indy blacks in them and found them pretty unstable. They're fine for me with Bones hards so I guess that's the move still.Expand QuoteMaybe after a few sessions? I rocked back in forth for my whole lunch break, before I posted and There was no resistance at all. Pretty bummed because I had high hopes.Expand QuoteIs it possible they take a second to firm up? I know that most of the Indy 94a bushings seem to be like that. I usually stand on my board and rock back and forth for a half an hour before I call them goodExpand QuoteI got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;D[close][close][close]
What is your go-to iHOP order @Lhotse? Myself, I like saying "rooty-tooty-fresh-n-fruity" out loud, but when it comes down to it, you can bet your bottom dollar I order the sampler with a side of biscuits and gravy.
All of this brings me to my next point:
What ever happened to good ol' fashioned family fun? Heck, every Wednesday night as a kid we'd have family board game night. We'd order in pizza or some other type of take out and just really get to know each other. Scrabble, Monopoly, Risk, you name it. Charades was a family classic at the pugmaster household*!
So much has changed... smart phones have everyone like zombies these days. Even at the Elk's lodge! I'm like, "everyone, put down that DAG GUM** PHONE!" Makes me fit to be tied!
*Before the divorce
**I actually say God damn
i no joke split my elbow open skating the janky bowl in the northampton skatepark aka “the pit” like a month ago. it’s not that gnarly, i skated it padless.
i was on indys tho :(
it was not a truck related mishap, no amount of precision engineering would have saved me
Damn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?
Expand QuoteDamn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?[close]
I replaced my AF1 front pivot cup for an ace classic a couple months ago, some wiggle but works well.
Damn, just noticed that one of my pivot cups is starting to tear, after about 4 sessions on them. Bummed, but I like the way the AF1 turns. Does anyone have any experience replacing them with Ace Classic or Indy cups?
Does anyone know the definitive reason some people are tearing pivot cups and some aren’t? Is it just inconsistent
quality control?
Expand QuoteDoes anyone know the definitive reason some people are tearing pivot cups and some aren’t? Is it just inconsistent
quality control?[close]
Here is my theory:
When I got my 77s, I made sure the pivot cavity was perfect. After 6 or so sessions, I noticed the cup was ripped and I suddenly had a small divot on the right side of the baseplate pivot cavity.
I think after tearing the cup, the hanger was making contact with this. Basically metal on metal. Now replacement cups tear in 20 minutes because they get compressed and rip in the same area.
So it’s either the geometry putting extra stress on the pivot or just soft shitty cups
Expand QuoteDoes anyone know the definitive reason some people are tearing pivot cups and some aren’t? Is it just inconsistent
quality control?[close]
Here is my theory:
When I got my 77s, I made sure the pivot cavity was perfect. After 6 or so sessions, I noticed the cup was ripped and I suddenly had a small divot on the right side of the baseplate pivot cavity.
I think after tearing the cup, the hanger was making contact with this. Basically metal on metal. Now replacement cups tear in 20 minutes because they get compressed and rip in the same area.
So it’s either the geometry putting extra stress on the pivot or just soft shitty cups
Don't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?
Expand QuoteDon't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?[close]
Ace's pivot nub on the hanger of AF1's is too small for their own baseplates. The pivot cup being so squishy as well, it just ends up widening as they break in and there's a lot of back and forth play. Probably has a lot to do with why they sound weird, too. Putting a classic pivot cup in there or Riptide is even worse, you will have so much side to side play that it will warp the metal pivot cavity. AF1 hangers do not work with classics baseplates due to the pivot cavity being so wide, and their claim that classics cups and AF1 cups are interchangeable is definitely false. AF1's are just another reboot of a truck that needs R&D just like Ace classics through their entire lifespan of stages.
I got two sets of the new Ace hard bushings today, and they feel exactly the same as the stock ones. Just putting that out there. Pardon the interruption. ;DI can feel a slight difference so far, but it has been raining for the past four days. I'll try to get a feel for them tonight. Also, note I've been into a few glasses of cheap aldi shiraz. Will report back.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDon't know if this was covered or not back when the AF1's first started appearing in the wild. Since the cups themselves are obviously bigger, is the hanger nub also bigger? Or is it just the pivot hole in the baseplate that's been enlarged and the pivot cups have thicker sidewalls?[close]
Ace's pivot nub on the hanger of AF1's is too small for their own baseplates. The pivot cup being so squishy as well, it just ends up widening as they break in and there's a lot of back and forth play. Probably has a lot to do with why they sound weird, too. Putting a classic pivot cup in there or Riptide is even worse, you will have so much side to side play that it will warp the metal pivot cavity. AF1 hangers do not work with classics baseplates due to the pivot cavity being so wide, and their claim that classics cups and AF1 cups are interchangeable is definitely false. AF1's are just another reboot of a truck that needs R&D just like Ace classics through their entire lifespan of stages.[close]
So if I'm understanding correctly, the hanger nub on the AF1 is the same size as the classics, and that they've made a bigger baseplate hole and thicker urethane pivot cup? If so, your probably bang on as to what's happening.
The geometry itself probably isn't to blame. Theeve and Indy stage 8's (and earlier) are basically the exact same geometry and they never had constant pivot blow outs, other issues sure, but not shredded cups in one session.
It would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.
Expand QuoteIt would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.[close]
Could someone start a new thread with a poll I don’t know how to. Would be interesting to see what percentage of AF1 users have pivot cup issues. Maybe people can post what the issue is specifically.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIt would be interesting to see if there is enough of a problem with the pivot situation to warrant a re-haul. I wonder what the threshold is. Still haven't experienced any issues personally. Just wonder what proportion of AF1 users have this issue.[close]
Could someone start a new thread with a poll I don’t know how to. Would be interesting to see what percentage of AF1 users have pivot cup issues. Maybe people can post what the issue is specifically.[close]
So options like these:
1. No issues or damage
2. Pivot cup damage only
3. Pivot cup and baseplate damage
4. Pivot point on hanger, pivot cup and baseplate damage
EDIT:
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?board=18.0
From the main Shoes and Gear board page, upper right has New Topic and New Poll options, which I assume are shown for everyone, regardless of membership.
Oh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance
I also found them too firm when new, and had to back them nuts off a bit. Then they settled in, and I wound up loosening them up a touch more still.Expand QuoteOh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance[close]
Yes, they might be the "shortest" wheelbase of all, but the various bushings can change how they feel even more (including stock when new compared to when worn in) the consensus being not to touch them for the first session or more and then change slightly each session after that to the desired tightness.
Maybe I am just used to looser trucks, but the stock bushings from new were very firm, but the used sets I got from others were perfect.
Expand QuoteOh, and it’s my understanding that Aces shorten your wheelbase??? I feel like I’ve definitely read that here but my brain isn’t working atm. Thanks in advance[close]
Yes, they might be the "shortest" wheelbase of all, but the various bushings can change how they feel even more (including stock when new compared to when worn in) the consensus being not to touch them for the first session or more and then change slightly each session after that to the desired tightness.
Maybe I am just used to looser trucks, but the stock bushings from new were very firm, but the used sets I got from others were perfect.
Fair warning my AF1s came with the softest bushings I have ever owned. I like loose trucks but I had to replace the top bushings with Krux as they did not firm up much after a few weeks of skateboarding.
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.
One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.
But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.
(https://i.ibb.co/C6DSSMy/5-FDC1941-8-E00-48-D8-AF2-D-1-AA39-F030-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6DSSMy)
It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)
Just got some aloha af1 aces
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)
Just got some aloha af1 aces
Got my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.
Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?
Thanks pals
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.
One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.
But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.
(https://i.ibb.co/C6DSSMy/5-FDC1941-8-E00-48-D8-AF2-D-1-AA39-F030-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6DSSMy)
It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.
Holy shit!!!! Just went for a quick cruise around the block and I’m shocked. Ace trucks might just be the best ever. I tightened them a fair bit but they felt so good straight off the bat!! I’m sold.
One thing is the bushings kept popping out. Does this go away or should I just get some harder ones?? My madness won’t let me skate them if I know they keep popping out. I’d loosen them, push the bushing back in place, then tighten them but it keeps happening.
But boy, I’m sold. They turn amazing. And felt great from the start.
It happens on the top and bottom. This photo was not the worst of it popping out either. It happened much worse I just didn’t take a pic.
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)
Just got some aloha af1 aces
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)
Just got some aloha af1 aces
Expand QuoteGot my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.
Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?
Thanks pals[close]
Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine. Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.
Others I know do that and it works for them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.
Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?
Thanks pals[close]
Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine. Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.
Others I know do that and it works for them.[close]
Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.
I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)
(https://i.imgur.com/b1irAFB.jpg)Skate community: fix the QC issues
Just got some aloha af1 aces
i made those.i apologize
just me whos mallcore
i apologizeExpand Quotei made those.
just me whos mallcore[close]
i made those.
just me whos mallcore
Expand Quotei made those.
just me whos mallcore[close]
they will look so good with grooves
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.
Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?
Thanks pals[close]
Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine. Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.
Others I know do that and it works for them.[close]
Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.
I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)
i made those.
just me whos mallcore
Expand Quotei made those.
just me whos mallcore[close]
Did you painted these leaves by hand or did you use a stencil or something? I like the colors.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotei made those.
just me whos mallcore[close]
Did you painted these leaves by hand or did you use a stencil or something? I like the colors.[close]
Is it just a photoshop? I find it hard to believe someone did that and took professional photos with the die reattached.
hi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
hi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
Expand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0
So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.
Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0
So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.
Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.[close]
I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…
Would be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0
So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.
Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.[close]
I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…[close]
I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.
My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear. :D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0
So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.
Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.[close]
I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…[close]
I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.
My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear. :D[close]
Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?
I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGot my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.
Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?
Thanks pals[close]
Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine. Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.
Others I know do that and it works for them.[close]
Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.
I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)[close]
Thanks you guys, great advice for the Bones bushings. I even though about putting the small washer with the stock bushings to tight them a little bit more.
I also checked the krux bushings in this thread but I couldn't find them in any Euro shop. Even the distributor doesn't know that they exist :_)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGot my first set of Aces (AF1 66) I will try the stock bushings but I'm afraid that they will be too loose for me. I been riding bones hard bushings for the last 6 years in thunders, Indys and ventures.
Checking this thread just realized seems that Aces doesn't work well with bones hards. Aces hard bushings are not available in Europe yet. any other backup plan?
Thanks pals[close]
Try the stock bushings and see, but failing that, keep all washers from the normal bushings on when you use the Bones bushings and you should be fine. Even put the small flat one that comes with the bones bushings on first before anything else, so it brings the bottom height up a touch.
Others I know do that and it works for them.[close]
Solid advice if you use Bones with Ace.
I’m a big fan of Krux bushings with Ace. Krux are the same height as the stock ones. They’re just hard enough to be super stable but soft enough to get a nice deep carve (92a)[close]
Thanks you guys, great advice for the Bones bushings. I even though about putting the small washer with the stock bushings to tight them a little bit more.
I also checked the krux bushings in this thread but I couldn't find them in any Euro shop. Even the distributor doesn't know that they exist :_)[close]
You need some Krux bushings? I have my stock K5 bushings that I barely used before I swapped them out for Bones hards. I'll probably never use them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0
So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.
Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.[close]
I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…[close]
I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.
My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear. :D[close]
Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?
I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.[close]
I didn’t. I did contact the dude at the customer service many times and then at some point he stopped replying and I stopped bothering him as I was on summer vacation traveling around but when I came back from vacation a set of new trucks with a bunch of stickers were waiting for me. So, far from perfect but in the end I’m happy that I got a new set due to a small defect that didn’t end up bothering me anyway.
I’ve run my AF1s stock and had the pivot cavity dent on one (out of three) set and pivot cup bushing rip. Classics I’ve used otherwise stock but replaced both washers with thinner and larger diameter ones and have had pivot cup bushings rip fast but still last me several months until they need to be replaced.
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I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
You need to add to this poll - Ace Pivot issues thread, care of the guy above (RottenToTheCore):
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118830.0
So far it is about 50 / 50 for happy vs assorted baseplate and pivot issues, so that is some pretty solid unhappiness but I think we need more people to fill out the poll to get a more even spread of the skate community.
Also, just curious if you had warranty replacements sent to you or didn't ask or whatever.[close]
I think he’s in Europe. And my costumer service experience with any American brand (including Ace) as an European is pretty much useless…[close]
I got a new set of AF1 66s after bothering the customer service at Ace for a few months. I live in Finland.
My pivot cavity dented and tore the pivot cup bushing. Trucks still worked fine though until I ground down the kingpin nut and retired the trucks until I can source a rethreader and bring them back out of retirement to grind them in half. I did manage to buy a new set before receiving the replacements from Ace so now I have a bunch of AF1 66s in various stages of wear. :D[close]
Well at least that. Did you had to send your old trucks back to them?
I had a pair of 33 classics about 5/6 years ago, I think it was before they beefed them up… both had massive axle slip and the pivot cups were torn to shreds in like 3/4 months of use. They went from godlike turn to barely turning. So I contacted the Ace Costumer Service and they wanted me to send the trucks to them so they could take a look and then send me a new pair. I ain’t sending trucks from Portugal to the US at my expense… then also wait god knows how long to get the new trucks back and in the meanwhile I can’t skate. (I was a broke teenager) So I just caved in and bought indys. I ride everything stock and never had a problem since.[close]
I didn’t. I did contact the dude at the customer service many times and then at some point he stopped replying and I stopped bothering him as I was on summer vacation traveling around but when I came back from vacation a set of new trucks with a bunch of stickers were waiting for me. So, far from perfect but in the end I’m happy that I got a new set due to a small defect that didn’t end up bothering me anyway.
I’ve run my AF1s stock and had the pivot cavity dent on one (out of three) set and pivot cup bushing rip. Classics I’ve used otherwise stock but replaced both washers with thinner and larger diameter ones and have had pivot cup bushings rip fast but still last me several months until they need to be replaced.[close]
Deluxe has an amazing customer service trough distributors, I got another set of Spitfires in 3 days. Anyway right know Ace are distributed in Europe by Mesa Distribution (not sure if all Europe but they have several countries). It's owned by Marcos Gomez (BCN Legend) but Joey Tershay is involved too, so I guess they can replace parts from directly from Europe.
https://www.instagram.com/mesadistribution/
does the Tensors interlocking bushings works with Ace? anyone ever tried it?Can confirm. Not my thing but they fit
I swear half of this talk of bushings being too soft is a result of people not giving them the time to break in. They firm up as much as Independent stock bushings. They felt ridiculously soft at first but after a few weeks of skating it's a completely different story
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I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
Had the same problem, just switched back to indy
Expand QuoteWould be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.[close]
My 3 sets of aces (1 classic 2 af1) were all completely stock, didn’t even loosen or tighten them. All the pivot cups broke after 1-3 slappy sessions.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
Had the same problem, just switched back to indy[close]
Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
Had the same problem, just switched back to indy[close]
Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx![close]
I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…
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I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
Had the same problem, just switched back to indy[close]
Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx![close]
I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…[close]
Just want to say that I found between skinny and wide truck they have very different turning,skinnier turns quicker, so not the best comparison between Indy 144 amd Ace af1 77,if you ask me. Even Ace 44 and 55 turn different to me.
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I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
Had the same problem, just switched back to indy[close]
Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx![close]
I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…[close]
Just want to say that I found between skinny and wide truck they have very different turning,skinnier turns quicker, so not the best comparison between Indy 144 amd Ace af1 77,if you ask me. Even Ace 44 and 55 turn different to me.[close]
You’re right. Wheelbase of the board also changes things up.
When I changed from Ace to Indy a couple years ago was from 33’s to 139s and that change didn’t affect me at all tho.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
Had the same problem, just switched back to indy[close]
Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWould be curious to find out how many people who have pivot issues are running non-stock bushing/washer options.
Wondering if the small change in geometry that results from removing a bottom washer, or running a shorter bottom bushing, for example could lead to the massive pivot mastication we’ve been reading about for so long.
Maybe Aces are delicate flowers that instantly wilt as soon as you so much as look at their bushings?
My classics are fine, presently, but I’m running them stock. Still, one can’t help but wonder about the cause of such a large scale issue.
Or maybe it’s just garbage QC over at factory Ace.[close]
My 3 sets of aces (1 classic 2 af1) were all completely stock, didn’t even loosen or tighten them. All the pivot cups broke after 1-3 slappy sessions.[close]
Same for my first pair too, stock bushings and everything was good until I slappied ahah. The second pair I did switch the top bushing for an Ace low one + a flat washer and no bottom one and same result as the stock one. I ride wobbly loose too, so I feel that my Aces may have to much wiggling space so it allows the pivot to lock or bang into the edge of the cavity every time I slappy. When I rode Indys, I was just pullin out the bottom washer and thats it. Nothing crazy loose like now, which is still not Daewon-esque >_<
Sorry I still don't know how to add quotes that aren't in the topic summary, but in from Canada and yes my local made it happen with a replacement for the first pair. However, the distribution rep wasnt so stoked about it and tried to send me only one truck even if both were destroyed. Luckily, my friend at the shop talked him into a whole pair even if he was saying something like it was my fault if it was broken. Which is not completely false ahah.
The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.
It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.
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The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.
It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.[close]
The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys
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The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.
It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.[close]
The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys[close]
Not my experience on curbs, probably different on steel coping and ledges
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The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.
It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.[close]
The AF1's aren't nearly as soft as the classics. I find the grind to be very similar, if anything what makes it different is the size of the surface. more material on indys[close]
Not my experience on curbs, probably different on steel coping and ledges[close]
interesting, I've skated all of the above on both trucks. are the indy's you're comparing them to very borken in by chance? I'm comparing AF1's and titanium indy's if it makes a difference. I really noticed the difference between indy's and classics, but not really with the AF1
Brand new standard 159s
have you tried ace hangars with kreepar baseplates?
hi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot
Currently skating Classic 44s on a 8.375 but wanting to try the AF1 55 but…. After reading a couple pages Idk :-\ should I stick to what I got or run the card on a pair at my local and just try my ass off to break em in?i would just say to stick with classics for awhile. 44s work well in the size range you ride. You truly aren’t missing out on too much with AF1s
Only in my head about the decision because I’ve decided I’m pretty much gonna stick to riding 8.38-8.5 range instead of 8.25 like I’ve been running for awhile now
ya'll the same fools who are going to be complaining about lurpivs in the future..just give it time..
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?
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Had the same problem, just switched back to indy[close]
Damn, thinking about it too... How did it felt getting back on Indy? Was it much less responsive or clunky? I feel like my Aces are so quick and fun
( -_-) Thx![close]
I know you weren’t asking me, but I think people over dramatize on the turn topic. Aces turn amazingly, but I feel like indys are a really really close second. Like it’s not a change that would hinder your skating by any means. I remember when I went from Ace to Indy and I was like “damn, they turn really well too”. But I also remember perfectly when I had some krux (for a brief moment) coming from Indy and I was like “fuck, I can’t skate those shits”.
I currently have indys 144’s on my regular board and ACE AF1 77’s on my cruiser and I don’t feel that much of a difference. Both are fun, carvy and turn really well…
Expand Quotehi guys!
I know that a lot of yall curb enthusiasts love Ace and I really love them since i've started riding them for 2 years now. Sadly, I keep blowing up my pivot cup and pivot hole in my front truck on my Ace 55 classic. Riptide, Independent, Ace, no matter what cups I put in they blow out after like 10 slappy crooks. It sucks cause I went through two brand new baseplates because the pivot cavity blow out (the metal on the side literally popped out). In my souvenirs, my Indys 159 were sturdier and didnt had this problem. Im riding my Aces with no bottom washer and a flat one on top, same with the Indys. Anyone had/have this problem? And was I just lucky with my last Indy pair and both are prone to Pivoty Destruction? Thx a lot[close]
it sounds like the pivot point on your hangar isn't angled directly in line with the pivot cup, this could be happening because your bottom washer isn't sitting high enough off of the baseplate (because you aren't using a bottom washer). Try putting a bottom washer in and see if it changes anything.
The main difference I noticed when switching back to Indy is that to have them as responsive as my Aces I had to sacrifice stability. The problem with indys is that if you want them loose you end up with a lot of wobble.
It is a relief to be able to do slappies again without my pivot cup tearing and baseplate warping though. Indies also grind faster although they don’t have as buttery of a grind as ace.
I'm a nobody but I think I do.
Certainly my preferred truck of the last few years. I'm not one for brand loyalty but Ace have treated me really well. Still looking forward to an 8.75" axle Ace.
Is it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?@pops
finally received my 77s..
@popsExpand QuoteIs it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?[close]
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.
I'm riding 60mms with 1/8" risers and reasonably loose Aces, I do experience some wheel bite but never enough to be significantly slowed down or stopped by it.
Expand Quotefinally received my 77s..[close]
Same, stock bushings? I just got the ace hards, put them on but haven’t skated it yet. Tried to put a set of bones hards on but won’t fit. Idk if this is just a af1 thing or what.
Expand Quote@popsExpand QuoteIs it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?[close]
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.[close]
On 44s with 55 OG Classics and same, no wheelbite. Had some on one board that was especially full (8.5 AWS, I normally skate 8.3/8.25) but it still went away pretty quick. I think I could get away with a little bigger even
Expand QuoteExpand Quote@popsExpand QuoteIs it preferred to use risers with Aces if you ride 55mm and bigger wheels, especially with softer wheels?[close]
I’m running 56mm Conical Fulls on my classic 55s w/ no risers. I run ‘em “fairly” loose (backed of from factory stock by about 3/4 turn) & weigh in around 170 lbs.
Not much wheelbite to report, I’m pleased to inform you.[close]
On 44s with 55 OG Classics and same, no wheelbite. Had some on one board that was especially full (8.5 AWS, I normally skate 8.3/8.25) but it still went away pretty quick. I think I could get away with a little bigger even[close]
i also skate 44 classics, just got another pair today. i ride em loose (front truck is shakey, back truck is a little tighter) with 56mm (well now they are ~52s) classics and i get a little bit of wheelbite but nothing crazy. i use very thin rubber shock pads that add maybe 1mm to the height because the bolt holes in my last set of aces got a lot wider and i had to constantly put the trucks back in place so the board didn't turn by itself.
btw because of the colder weather i decided to put my old stock bushings on that new set of trucks because I hate breaking in trucks, works almost like a charm but i still have to break in the pivot cups, they're a lil squeaky rn.
The woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.
The woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.
Oh man, I feel like I'm the only dude out here that actually likes squeaky trucks. I've always associate the squeaking with broken in trucks. Growing up as a little guy all I had was a toys-r-us board, and the trucks didn't squeak, didn't matter how broken in they were. Everyone I knew who had real skateboards had squeaky trucks. So I guess I've just conditioned my self to enjoy squeaky trucks.
Yo, I appreciate the response. Just measured it (didn’t quite look right) and this thing is a 7.88 so it’s no wonder the trucks looked insane. :)Expand QuoteThe woodshop I work at just gifted me a set of Ace 44 Classic and an 8 inch deck. Am I an insane person to put the 8.38 Ace on an 8 inch deck? Has anyone tried it? I prefer 8.25 boards which would be great with the 44 but I want to ride the deck I was given so I can provide legitimate feedback.[close]
Just do no washers inside and you'll be good. A couple summers ago I skated an 8.06" with 44s and no washers and it looked good. I'll find a pic if I can.
Social media chatter seems to suggest hollow versions are coming, as is an 8.75" axle, possibly in Spring. Be prepared for a long wait though.
ok last pic. took this before i set it up on my board. this is where the idea came from. had some paint left over from a recent project where i pretty much did what i did on my trucks. so i said f it. im not into animal crossing as much as you might think. but its cute as fuck...to me
(https://i.imgur.com/U6F9c3r.jpg)
Expand Quoteok last pic. took this before i set it up on my board. this is where the idea came from. had some paint left over from a recent project where i pretty much did what i did on my trucks. so i said f it. im not into animal crossing as much as you might think. but its cute as fuck...to me
(https://i.imgur.com/U6F9c3r.jpg)[close]
Apropos of nothing, but right went lockdown came to America, I decided to buy a Switch. I went into a store and was like "Sell me a Switch, please", and I took the only one (of two) which they had. It turned out to be the Animal Crossing Switch, which upset several of my friends who had been on waitlists and had preordered theirs, only not to get one. I mainly used it to play Zelda, haven't really touched it and probably won't until there's a sequel.
Finally put some more time on my AF1's, I like them more than the classics aside from the weight. Enjoying my time on these has re-ignited my madness... thanks a lot. Maybe Lurpivs are the missing link between ace/indy? Though its probably more likely that im just some nutjob who will be thinking about his trucks too much until he dies.
Spanky seems to be skating a hollow kingpin Ace, anyone seen these before ?
How tall are aces. I liked thunder but they were too low
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They are all listed as 53mm on their site, both AF1 and Classics.
Just a couple of links with more info too - used the 55s in each more just for reference:
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/ace-trucks-55-polished
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/trucks/products/af1-polished-55
Anyone have any idea what bushings might help me reduce the wheelbite I'm getting?
Ace 77 AF1 (Stock bushings)
Spitfire FF 53mm
3/4" Risers
Blast Nasir deck (10"ish)
The only way I can get rid of the bite is by totally cranking down the trucks, can't say I remember having this problem with the classics, or at least not quite as bad.
Expand QuoteAnyone have any idea what bushings might help me reduce the wheelbite I'm getting?
Ace 77 AF1 (Stock bushings)
Spitfire FF 53mm
3/4" Risers
Blast Nasir deck (10"ish)
The only way I can get rid of the bite is by totally cranking down the trucks, can't say I remember having this problem with the classics, or at least not quite as bad.[close]
Wondering if others who have the widest trucks will voice their opinions, but I do recall it being said that the wider the trucks, the more likely they have wheelbite issues, AF1 77s being the widest trucks (besides Indy 215s) most people would have on regular setups.
How much concave does the board have you are riding them on is a question I would be asking too, eg wider boards are often more mellow overall otherwise feet would be hurting just standing on them, so for the same total width, the rail is a lot lower than something half the size.
Many old school types of boards have minimal concave too, which makes it even harder on those sort of trucks, as per a couple of 80s "no concave" boards that are virtually unrideable for me, as I cannot turn deep enough on any trucks I put on them.
Also just checking which risers you are using, either 1/8, 1/4 or even 1/2 but I don't think 3/4 would have any wheelbite at all, as well as being so high off the ground it would feel like a 4x4 dirt board. Guessing you might mean 1/4 risers, which are fairly common and what I have on the boards with 60mm cruiser wheels and that is plenty high enough.
As far as the wheelbite goes too, is it only if you land on the board wrong, or is it as you turn and just push down a little too much on one side?
That might be too many questions already, but for the most part, allowing time for the bushings to break in has been noted for Ace trucks, as well as others getting the aftermarket harder bushings, which are available online as well as in some shops. You could try any other harder bushings you have, or even some from old trucks if you still have them just to see, as the bottoms in Ace are only 86 duro which on average is very soft. Even just use the old bottoms first and see.
For reference:
Ace Standard/Stock Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics
Top - 91a
Bottom - 86a
Ace Hard Bushings
Replacement bushings ideal for both AF1 & Classics
Top - 94a
Bottom - 94a
https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-hard-bushings
Did you break in the bushings?
My classic 44s handle 56mm wheels perfectly without any wheelbite
The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?
I had a pair of well-skated Ace Classic 44s, which I enjoyed skating very much, but realized recently that the hangers and axles had bent inwards, some with ~3mm of deflection from stock (measured against some new Classic 44s I had). I contacted Ace with the information and photos, and their customer service was excellent - they quickly sent me a brand new pair of Ace AF1 44s, at my request.
The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?
Also, has anyone here put enough time of their AF1s to tell whether or not the hangers bend? The shape of the hanger - the only truck I can think of without a strong triangular truss - remains more or less unchanged, although the material is slightly beefed up. I suspect that this isn't enough to solve the problem, and that there will be significant deflection in the hanger itself, especially as the material wears away. Time will tell, but I am taking some base measurements so I can come back and see in a year.
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The trucks look great and I'm excited to skate them. Is there anything I should look at here though, before I get started, since so many people seemed to have problems with the AF1? Examine the pivot cup or something?[close]
My pivots got shredded and I’m tempted to buy the replacement pivots from the Ace site. But… I’m sure any moment now RipTide will release the AF1.
After 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.
Expand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.
Just skated some 33s from the good poster formerly known as Frozen Industries. My fave looking truck.
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better. I agree with above that changing the bushings puts more stress on a truck that turns very very well, but doesn’t have the most robust longevity. I used to bend the stage 1s….and then I’d still skate them, and they worked fine.
Gifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy
https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE
Expand QuoteGifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy
https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE[close]
i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy
https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE[close]
i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks[close]
Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy
https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE[close]
i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks[close]
Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.[close]
He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy
https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE[close]
i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks[close]
Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.[close]
He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before[close]
To be fair though, I would also lie about having a Slap account if pressed
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGifted Hater just dropped his Ace AF1 review. Go crazy
https://youtu.be/GSCh9wKMswE[close]
i agree with him that aces make skating harder but it does feel good when you land tricks[close]
Yea I agree with his assessment mostly. Wonder who he is on here? He's obviously on here, multiple SLAP references.[close]
He’s said he doesn’t have a slap account before[close]
To be fair though, I would also lie about having a Slap account if pressed
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
What's the issue?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
What's the issue?[close]
They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great[close]
Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
What's the issue?[close]
They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great[close]
Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.[close]
They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
What's the issue?[close]
They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great[close]
Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.[close]
They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?[close]
Not Daewon loose or anything, but fairly. The trucks I just retired had a slight wiggle to them but that was more because they're old than a conscious decision. I stepped on someone else's board with some weathered Ace trucks and they were plenty loose yet stable so I know my time's coming. But woof, I wish there was a shortcut lol.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
What's the issue?[close]
They're just not breaking in. I can barely turn and they feel so tight. I know new trucks take time but I haven't felt this awkward on a skateboard since I was a kid.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
With classics I don’t adjust.
Quit trying to rip.
For me, the bushings firm up in about a week. Maybe rock back and forth on the board on your carpet to speed it up. Can’t rush it tho. Turn is worth it.
Thunders kinda the oppo for me in that first day they skate great[close]
Alright, I'll give them a week before I do anything. It also probably doesn't help that it's gotten pretty cold here but I figure I should suffer through this now before indoor park season starts.[close]
They deff get harder in the cold, just loosen them as much as you can without the nut falling off. rocking back and forth isnt a bad idea. Do you ride your shit SUPER loose?[close]
Not Daewon loose or anything, but fairly. The trucks I just retired had a slight wiggle to them but that was more because they're old than a conscious decision. I stepped on someone else's board with some weathered Ace trucks and they were plenty loose yet stable so I know my time's coming. But woof, I wish there was a shortcut lol.
You have to measure the coned bit of the hangers also.
has anyone noticed that the Ace af1 has a smaller than normal hangar? I have the 55's (8.5), the trucks fit on my board more like an Indy 144 (8.25). I even measured the hangars and they measured the same as an Indy 144 hangar.
af1 66s might be the 8.75 aces youve all been waiting for ;D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?
af1 66s might be the 8.75 aces youve all been waiting for ;D
Re: pivot cup destruction
This guy demonstrates how all traditional kingpin trucks destroy pivots because of pivot angle-kingpin angle mismatch
https://changingangles.com/2021/05/05/tkp-trucks-history-and-quirks/
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This guy demonstrates how all traditional kingpin trucks destroy pivots because of pivot angle-kingpin angle mismatch
https://changingangles.com/2021/05/05/tkp-trucks-history-and-quirks/[close]
Sounds like you need some Caliber IIIs
That would explain why my AF1 55s aren’t hotrod-ing on a 8.38 deck!
Yo.
Im riding ACE Trucks for a while now and i was pretty happy with the Classics and starting to like the new AF1s too.
For whatever reason i got a problem with both versions now...
The axle seems to be moving. I dont know how to explain it properly since english is not my native language but i'll try.
Some weeks ago i noticed my wheels would somehow get stuck from time to time.
In between Sessions i got the feeling my setup slowed down somehow. Then i noticed that one wheel was sitting very tight and wasnt moving at all anymore.
I usually give them some space to wiggle so i was very confused on how this was happening. Dunno if the Axle was bent already or moving in the hanger.
This happened on a set of Classics.
Bought some brand new Classics. Came in already bent since deck had hell of a ghost turn even after broken in.
Bought another set of AF1s. Thought i was fine for now, but again wheels are getting stuck mid session from time to time.
I also noticed that nearly every trucks axle i bought since this shit is happening to me is so fucking short..
The axle nut sits barely flush on the axle and i dont got any extra washers on it. Only the two coming with the trucks.
This tilts me even more than the stuck wheels cause it adds up to the problem since there is even less space for the wheel.
Drives me crazy...
Did i just bought several bad QC trucks? Or am i missing something?
Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?
Expand QuoteIs it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?[close]
Sometimes the spacers don’t match the wheels you’re riding perfectly and that little give is enough to put pressure sideways on the bearing and make it slow down. I use spacers and washers on my bones Swiss and when I tighten my wheels to the max they barelly spin.
I also don’t like to have everything tight to the max because leaving a bit of give let’s the bearing also spin against the axle, which adds a bit of speed.
Is it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?
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As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?[close]
As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?[close]
Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?[close]
As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?[close]
Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll.[close]
I use bearing spacers and both washers coming with the trucks and my wheels still get stuck when slip is happening. Nothing to do there i guess...
4 washers and there would be no chance to even get the axle nut on. The axle nut is barely flush now with only 2 washers...
Cant imagine losing space on the axle when going bigger sizes right?
Hopefully. I skate 9'.
Must've been bad luck on quality for at least the last 3 Sets of Aces i bought (classics and AF1s).
Scared to buy another pair now...
Yo.thats an axle slip, it used to happen on trucks all the time
Im riding ACE Trucks for a while now and i was pretty happy with the Classics and starting to like the new AF1s too.
For whatever reason i got a problem with both versions now...
The axle seems to be moving. I dont know how to explain it properly since english is not my native language but i'll try.
Some weeks ago i noticed my wheels would somehow get stuck from time to time.
In between Sessions i got the feeling my setup slowed down somehow. Then i noticed that one wheel was sitting very tight and wasnt moving at all anymore.
I usually give them some space to wiggle so i was very confused on how this was happening. Dunno if the Axle was bent already or moving in the hanger.
This happened on a set of Classics.
Bought some brand new Classics. Came in already bent since deck had hell of a ghost turn even after broken in.
Bought another set of AF1s. Thought i was fine for now, but again wheels are getting stuck mid session from time to time.
I also noticed that nearly every trucks axle i bought since this shit is happening to me is so fucking short..
The axle nut sits barely flush on the axle and i dont got any extra washers on it. Only the two coming with the trucks.
This tilts me even more than the stuck wheels cause it adds up to the problem since there is even less space for the wheel.
Drives me crazy...
Did i just bought several bad QC trucks? Or am i missing something?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?[close]
As i said the axle is so fucking short the axle nut is barely on with only 2 washers.. as soon as axle slip is happening my wheel sits so tight it is Stuck.
And you can feel the sudden lack of speed mid session when it happens...
How the fuck is the axle so short that the nut is barely hanging on?[close]
Ace AF1's have a smaller hangar than most trucks of the same axle size, about a 1/4 inch or less. So its weird that you're having that problem. I have more axle room than I would like and run 4 washers on each side. (3 truck side 1 bolt side) Maybe you got a couple bad pairs? I've heard of Ace's having quality issues in the past. My point was, if you used bearing spacers (in conjunction with washers) you're wheels would still roll.[close]
I use bearing spacers and both washers coming with the trucks and my wheels still get stuck when slip is happening. Nothing to do there i guess...
4 washers and there would be no chance to even get the axle nut on. The axle nut is barely flush now with only 2 washers...
Cant imagine losing space on the axle when going bigger sizes right?
Hopefully. I skate 9'.
Must've been bad luck on quality for at least the last 3 Sets of Aces i bought (classics and AF1s).
Scared to buy another pair now...[close]
Had a weird thing like this happen on my last set of 44 Classics. One wheel would bind up like axle slip super randomly, even on a speed check. Turned out one of the axles was threaded pretty off-center, so the shoulder between the threaded and solid section of the axle was very asymmetrical and the bearing would bind up like it was seated crooked. Had to file the transition which fixed it completely but it drove me fucking nuts trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
I made a really unusual truck crisis decision to scoop some standard 149 Indy's from my local, along with those IKP baseplates. One of the hangers ended up having a smaller pivot nub on it compared to the other one, so it had tons of play in the pivot cup, reminded me of my first pair of AF1's where both hangers had that issue. China made trucks have such a horrible consistency compared to Ermico, I don't care what anyone says.
Expand QuoteI made a really unusual truck crisis decision to scoop some standard 149 Indy's from my local, along with those IKP baseplates. One of the hangers ended up having a smaller pivot nub on it compared to the other one, so it had tons of play in the pivot cup, reminded me of my first pair of AF1's where both hangers had that issue. China made trucks have such a horrible consistency compared to Ermico, I don't care what anyone says.[close]
I had the same pivot nub issue with the pair of 149’s I bought at the end of last year. I thought one of the pivot cups was just messed up but it was that actual part of the hanger on one truck coming to too small of a point compared to the other and rattling around in the baseplate. Never heard of anyone else having that issue so I thought I was just crazy. NHS was easy to work with to replace them though. Ended up just skating Ace 44 classics instead.
The set of 169’s I just got for my current setup also feel very loose/wiggly in the pivots cups. I’m hoping it’s not a big deal to get used to but I can already envision myself just throwing 55 classics on there.
I see, that would explain it then. Difference between classic 44s and AF1s is pretty minimal in terms of size. AF1s seem like they are taking longer to break in though....Expand QuoteThat would explain why my AF1 55s aren’t hotrod-ing on a 8.38 deck![close]
No 8.5 axle truck would anyway.
Skated both Indy & thunder 149’s and AF1 55’s on 8.25 which don’t hot rod let alone 8.38. They sit perfectly flush…
Had the same problem that some of yall seemed to have with the AF1s still being way too loose and prone to wheel-bite after a couple weeks so I switched the top bushing with a bones hard bushing. Kept the stock bottom bushing and standing on it felt a bit more stable so we’ll see.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it even possible for axle slip to effect you, if you use washers and bearing spacers? If so then how?[close]
Sometimes the spacers don’t match the wheels you’re riding perfectly and that little give is enough to put pressure sideways on the bearing and make it slow down. I use spacers and washers on my bones Swiss and when I tighten my wheels to the max they barelly spin.
I also don’t like to have everything tight to the max because leaving a bit of give let’s the bearing also spin against the axle, which adds a bit of speed.[close]
What your saying makes sense, would the spacer size only matter if it was too tall for the wheel? Where the bearings would move freely but would have friction on the axle from the spacer being too much in contact with the inside of the wheel well?
Got some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.
Expand QuoteGot some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.[close]
Were you skating Indy lows? Current Indys are 55mm high and Aces are 52mm.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot some 33s yesterday. I detest getting new trucks (doesn't everybody?) but grinded my Indys down to the axle and I was curious about these. They are a fair bit higher than the Indys I had and I made the mistake of getting new wheels as well (53mm, while my old wheels were probably close to 45mm). Long story short I now feel like I am steering a boat. Worst session in a long time, but I expected as much. Should have probably stuck with a lower truck and smaller wheels or not change both at once. I tend to think fussing over gear is mostly in the head and never pay attention to any of it so I hope to just do that and get used to it. Can't get over how high the trucks/big the wheels look though! It's like a mega ramp setup to me.[close]
Were you skating Indy lows? Current Indys are 55mm high and Aces are 52mm.[close]
Yes I believe so. This is how little note I take of this stuff - I didn't realize they were lows until today. Sloppy I know. I do recall having skated Thunder highs in the past and i got used to that, too. So I'll give it a chance.
It’s be sick if I was this chill about gear.
Instead I’m fried with multiple setups, tons of different parts. It’s not cool.
It’s be sick if I was this chill about gear.
Instead I’m fried with multiple setups, tons of different parts. It’s not cool.
there were definitely others that had tons of play in the pivotSame here both ways, I have a set of forged titaniums that have the too small, too pointy pivot as well as a pair with a bigger pivot cavity in the baseplate.
Christian Maalouf posted the hollows today
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I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?Yeah I've noticed the same thing. Independent grind smoother than any other truck I've tried. Can't take that away from them.
I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?
I recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?My Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.
My Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.Expand QuoteI recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?[close]
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.
Classics.Expand QuoteMy Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.Expand QuoteI recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?[close]
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.[close]
You on classics or AF1s? I elt this way on classics, but the AF1s grind much better IMO
Classics.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteMy Aces feel like the hangers are coated in peanut butter when I grind.Expand QuoteI recently switched back from AF1 77s to an 8.5 with Indy 149s, and while I got used to grinding the Aces, the Indys feel like they grind much smoother to me. I'm wondering if I just skate better on an 8.5 or that the Indys grind better because I'm able to hold onto things like slappy 50s much easier on them. I had no issue transitioning from 159s to 55 Classics. Once I had broken my AF1s in they became a bit better, but grinds still feel kinda 'rough' with the Aces on curbs. Anyone else with similar experiences?[close]
I’ve grown used to the slow, sticky feeling & don’t mind it much, but when I switch to a set up w/ Indys or Thunders on it, the difference is pronounced & quite noticeable.
But that turn… that turn, there’s nothing quite like it.[close]
You on classics or AF1s? I elt this way on classics, but the AF1s grind much better IMO[close]
Apologies for not being more specific.
I still have another set of Classics on ice, so I won’t be graduating to AF1s for another year (plus).
Hopefully, that’ll give them time to work out the QC issues on the AF1 pivots, and maybe even come out w/ an 8.75” option.
Then again, I may have been swayed by Lurpivs by then. I am a terrible customer as far as product loyalty goes: I love to try different shit.
Just got some ace replacement bushings and the packaging says to put the bottom bushing "sharp side" down but the sides are indistinguishable. Any ideas which is which, swirly side or smooth side??
i checked mine and they are swirly side downI should actually post a pic of mine, the QC on the finishing is actually laughable ....
just bought some yesterday and am into them so far
Edit: actually after another little cruise I noticed my one baseplate is kinda lumpy on both sides and has a weird couple of dots. Does this seem like it’s defective or should I be alright?
(https://i.ibb.co/HrS1GYQ/A51-D87-EA-129-A-4-DEF-A6-D6-CC781-F332-A5-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HrS1GYQ) (https://i.ibb.co/m4QDH3S/3-E6796-F6-B0-E3-447-F-8-D13-CC45-E574-A73-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m4QDH3S)
i checked mine and they are swirly side down
just bought some yesterday and am into them so far
Edit: actually after another little cruise I noticed my one baseplate is kinda lumpy on both sides and has a weird couple of dots. Does this seem like it’s defective or should I be alright?
(https://i.ibb.co/HrS1GYQ/A51-D87-EA-129-A-4-DEF-A6-D6-CC781-F332-A5-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HrS1GYQ) (https://i.ibb.co/m4QDH3S/3-E6796-F6-B0-E3-447-F-8-D13-CC45-E574-A73-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m4QDH3S)
. Take off the bottom washer to get your money's worth out of your acesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
Alright, I'm a week in and they still don't feel good. I even went against people's advice and loosened them and they just don't feel that responsive. A buddy of mine showed up with a brand new set of 55 Classics and his felt better day one then mine do now. (I'm riding 44 Classics on an 8.38 board.)
I dunno if his wider truck just felt better or if my stock bushings won't adjust to the mild cold but I'm ready to start tinkering and/or giving up on these.
. Take off the bottom washer to get your money's worth out of your acesExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter 10+ years of only skating Thunders, I took the plunge and picked up a pair of Ace Classic 44s. Pretty excited to see how they feel after work. I'm trying to stick with the stock bushings before I micromanage anything cuz I was on Bones Mediums for awhile.[close]
If you end up changing the bushings eventually, make sure you keep the same overall height as the stock bottom bushing and washer. Classics are prone to bending, and changing the geometry will speed that up.[close]
Anyways, the longer you are able to refrain from adjusting your classics, the better.[close]
I'm a couple sessions in on these with no adjustments and I gotta be honest, I'm having a really rough time. How long did you wait to tinker with yours, if at all?[close]
Alright, I'm a week in and they still don't feel good. I even went against people's advice and loosened them and they just don't feel that responsive. A buddy of mine showed up with a brand new set of 55 Classics and his felt better day one then mine do now. (I'm riding 44 Classics on an 8.38 board.)
I dunno if his wider truck just felt better or if my stock bushings won't adjust to the mild cold but I'm ready to start tinkering and/or giving up on these.[close]
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.
I got the complete opposite results. My classic 33s and 55s were very stable but my AF1 44s have zero stability. I had to give up on them after a few sessions. Which sucks I really wanted to like them.Expand QuoteAnyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.[close]
I have these on my AF1 55s. I noticed that they kind of increase the stable center feeling without compromising the turn. I actually like my AF1s a lot more now.
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.I did and they made very little difference. I am over 200, but there should of been more than a slight difference. I thought as they broke in they were getting harder, but I think it was wishful thinking.
I did and they made very little difference. I am over 200, but there should of been more than a slight difference. I thought as they broke in they were getting harder, but I think it was wishful thinking.Expand QuoteAnyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.[close]
Anyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.
Ah that makes sense man, I really wish I could of got used to them.Expand QuoteI did and they made very little difference. I am over 200, but there should of been more than a slight difference. I thought as they broke in they were getting harder, but I think it was wishful thinking.Expand QuoteAnyone have experience with the Ace hard bushings? I just ordered a set for my AF1 44s.[close][close]
Just guessing since I didn't like them and got rid of them, but I think the AF1s and their big/soft pivot cups make it so they feel loose even with hard bushings.
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!
Anyone here skated the Anti Hero Blue Meanie shape? Setting up one of these as a cruiser and not sure if I should use 44's or 55's on it (planning on using 54mm Chargers if that helps). Thanks!
I had two sets of classic 44s I bought from here years ago. Both had loose kingpins. I hammered them out, put some “steel epoxy” in there and hammered there and hammered the kingpins back in. Both sets have held up well for years. Other set I skated until the hanger split in half and the kingpins were ground down so much that the nuts fell off cuz they were ground down so much they wouldn’t hold anymore. So the kingpins definitely got some stress.
If you hammer the kingpins out, make sure to keep the nut on so you don’t fuck up the threads of the kingpin. Also support the baseplate not only from the sides as the baseplates could then easily bend. When hammering the kingpin back in I used a big bolt as an aid as the kingpin goes inside the baseplate where you can’t reach with a hammer. When hammering the kingpin back in it’s also important to support the baseplate properly so you won’t bend it. I did it on my mate’s vise and it all worked out beautifully.
Lots of text but it really wasn’t that much trouble and it was nice to do so I definitely recommend it.
I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?
I was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?
Expand QuoteI was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?[close]
You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?[close]
You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.[close]
I contacted them not only because of that kingpin issue but also because one the axles has been faulty since I had the trucks. I have to forcefully press one wheel to make it fit all the way down. It slightly slowers the spinning of that wheel. Not bent because of use, it was there always.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI was going to give my classic 55s another chance but something felt off when skating them. At home, took them apart and found out both kingpins were quite loose. I checked my classic 44s and two sets of af1s, both have stable kingpins and are much more skated than my classic 55s. Are these defect and is there any way to fix those?[close]
You can fix it with epoxy, as others have said. This is also a design flaw, and if you contact Ace they’ll likely offer you new trucks. Ace was kind enough to replace my Classics with AF1s.[close]
I contacted them not only because of that kingpin issue but also because one the axles has been faulty since I had the trucks. I have to forcefully press one wheel to make it fit all the way down. It slightly slowers the spinning of that wheel. Not bent because of use, it was there always.
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!
Anyone ride Ace 44 Classics with an 8.5 deck? I have a craving for a big board but I'd really rather not buy new trucks. Thank you!
Dope, just what I needed to hear. I'm going to pair them with a Polar 8.5 and some Spitfire Conical Full 54s, should be a ton of fun.
Dope, just what I needed to hear. I'm going to pair them with a Polar 8.5 and some Spitfire Conical Full 54s, should be a ton of fun.
Yup, two (or sometimes three) washers on hangerside and you’re golden.Expand QuoteDope, just what I needed to hear. I'm going to pair them with a Polar 8.5 and some Spitfire Conical Full 54s, should be a ton of fun.[close]
The best combo. You can't go wrong with this selection.
This has been answered a few but I think Slap Gear Head consensus is, AF1s aren't really that much of an improvement. Maybe more durable and better sizing but the Classics remain classic.
This has been answered a few but I think Slap Gear Head consensus is, AF1s aren't really that much of an improvement. Maybe more durable and better sizing but the Classics remain classic.
Im about to buy Aces again, I rode one pair before (probably 44 classics Im not sure It was 4 years ago).
Are the new AF1s any better or should I go with the classics?
Thanks in advance, have a great week yall
Expand QuoteIm about to buy Aces again, I rode one pair before (probably 44 classics Im not sure It was 4 years ago).
Are the new AF1s any better or should I go with the classics?
Thanks in advance, have a great week yall[close]
Picky nerds on the internet have issues with them, but I think everyone in the real world I know who skates AF1s love them.
Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.
(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)
Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.
Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.
(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)
Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.
Switched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.
(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)
Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.
Fitted an Indy 215 hanger on an ace baseplate to fit this krooked zogger and it's perfect
(https://i.ibb.co/Hqc9w01/IMG-20220108-195747562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hqc9w01)
Im fully on the ace train,Indy's turn sluggish after switching to ace.indy hangers fit perfectly fine for me if I need a bit more or less width, and I have a few Indy hangers sitting around since switching to ace,the 66 hanger wasn't quite wide enough, and these turn just like ace 215s,I've also done it with 149s on a street setup,worked great
That’s the best part is it’s sin for new trucks new wheels on an old board and he doesn’t give a fuck & I back it . Putting indy hangers on aces is a sin but yet it’s done again & again .Expand QuoteSwitched from Indy 139s to Ace AF1 33 because Indy aftermarket bushings don't even fit Indy trucks (at least the 90a conicals and from what a friend told me the Indy bushings he tried doesn't fit in his 215s) and I didn't feel like playing the game of trying to figure out what bushings works.
(https://i.imgur.com/h2FKAHo.jpg)
Not my first time riding Ace AF1s but definitely took a bit to get used to. I love the lower height that doesn't sacrifice turn ability.[close]
I should have gotten my af1s as 33s &#38;#128553;&#38;#128553;. I’ve barely touched my 44s.
But really. What I’m here to ask is…did you mount new trucks onto a deck that was used? I’ll admit that the color of the deck is fetching, but, new trucks on old board is a sin
Sounds like Ace's is goal is for the consumer to be able to order a variety specific components to build up a custom truck up front. At least that's what I am interpreting from a recent insta post. Might be more expensive that way but Slap trucks nerds spend that money anyway....
...me, I'll still just take a Classic with an 8.75" axle....
I tried to skate the af1 going from thunder titanium lights to them was too much I threw in the towel. way to heavy for me. going to try the af1 hollow lows because they are the same height as the thunders im skating and the responsiveness of the aces were next level
Can someone ascertain a pattern to the Ace numbering scheme?
Expand QuoteCan someone ascertain a pattern to the Ace numbering scheme?[close]
Pick number in between two existing numbers. Put number on trucks. Hope the general public does not ask questions.
I know I just wish I could skate the regs but I can't so im going to try the hollow lows when they drop. its all about trying new things and I did and just couldn't hang. tried to be a big boy but holy hell I was terrified to try anything. may have been the 25 degree weather may have been also breaking in the ishod shoe which has too much ventilation and couldn't feel my feet but im going to give the af1 44's to a local kid that can't afford new shit and grab the lows and try againExpand QuoteI tried to skate the af1 going from thunder titanium lights to them was too much I threw in the towel. way to heavy for me. going to try the af1 hollow lows because they are the same height as the thunders im skating and the responsiveness of the aces were next level[close]
Talk about opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of weight and turning.
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Weird how their stock bushings have a softer barrel on the board side and harder cone on the roadside. Seems like most everyone does the opposite when mixing duros.
while on the subject of aces and thunders: being that aces are closer to thunder in height than indy, do aces have a similar "quick trigger" feeling on the pop like thunder? on indy's the pop feels more delayed/requires more wind up, which i'm assuming is a result of the increased height.
Anyone know when the ace hard bushings will be in stock? They posted a picture to their Instagram story but no eta
Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.
Has anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.
Expand QuoteHas anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.[close]
Aftermarket Ace and Indy cups are interchangeable, so it would stand to reason that a regular $1 cup from the shop would get you buy just fine.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone put a Tensor ATG pivot cup into an AF1? Just had my AF1 pivot blow out and those are all I can get my hands on. Emailed Ace about it so hopefully they’ll send me some replacements but just wanted to know if the tensors would work in the meantime.[close]
Aftermarket Ace and Indy cups are interchangeable, so it would stand to reason that a regular $1 cup from the shop would get you buy just fine.[close]
On Classics, but aren't AF1 pivots considerably larger in diameter than a normal cup?
Opposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.You ever try those G&S trucks (later rebranded as Standard Trucks, iirc) that hat a chromoly tube steel hanger construction? Them jawns slid across concrete more than they actually would grind on it, so slick we’re they.
You ever try those G&S trucks (later rebranded as Standard Trucks, iirc) that hat a chromoly tube steel hanger construction? Them jawns slid across concrete more than they actually would grind on it, so slick we’re they.Expand QuoteOpposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.[close]
Like most trucks of the era, their turn was probably garbage, but all I can remember about them was hanging on for dear life whenever I rode my buddies set up & hit up any ledges. They almost picked up speed while grinding. Was an odd feel, for sure.
You ever try those G&S trucks (later rebranded as Standard Trucks, iirc) that hat a chromoly tube steel hanger construction? Them jawns slid across concrete more than they actually would grind on it, so slick we’re they.Expand QuoteOpposite for me. Classics grind like butter, AF1's were sticky and odd feeling on grinds. They may be harder and more durable but it's not whatever alloy mix Indy/thunder/venture uses cause all of those grind nicely. Personally, the best grinds I've ever felt are on vintage Indy's. Like some hard ice cube trucks that just glide so nicely and last longer.[close]
Like most trucks of the era, their turn was probably garbage, but all I can remember about them was hanging on for dear life whenever I rode my buddies set up & hit up any ledges. They almost picked up speed while grinding. Was an odd feel, for sure.
Is there any way to make Ace’s lighter besides going the AF1 Low route?
(https://i.ibb.co/dkDJ5CD/MED-BUSH-BACK-LOW-530px-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dkDJ5CD)
Weird how their stock bushings have a softer barrel on the board side and harder cone on the roadside. Seems like most everyone does the opposite when mixing duros.
Between 55mm high Indy 149s and the AF1 55s, which do you reckon is better for running a big set of wheels w/o risers? Big as in 56-58mm and some wheelbite will be inevitable. I remember the classics actually wheelbite less than a similarly-sized, though higher, Indy--is it the same with the AF1s?
Been riding Indys with medium Bones bushings for over 10 years now, but I want to give Ace a shot and switch things up.Not trying Ace's stock turn before changing the bushings is like dousing your filet mignon in ketchup before taking a bite.
For the Ace classics, do you guys recommend the stock bushings or should I keep using Bones? I kind of want to try them out without changing the bushings to see how well they turn + feel.
Thanks to everyone in this thread for all the info/knowledge.
(I mainly skate curbs, ledges, hills, banks. This set-up will be for street skating. Don’t really do parks anymore).
Been riding Indys with medium Bones bushings for over 10 years now, but I want to give Ace a shot and switch things up.stock standard and break them in properly, do not put bones in them!
For the Ace classics, do you guys recommend the stock bushings or should I keep using Bones? I kind of want to try them out without changing the bushings to see how well they turn + feel.
Thanks to everyone in this thread for all the info/knowledge.
(I mainly skate curbs, ledges, hills, banks. This set-up will be for street skating. Don’t really do parks anymore).
One more vote for stock bushings. Might take a few sessions to break in, but after they do, they really are greatTRUE
just setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.
Expand Quotejust setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.[close]
Not sure if there is an issue or not with those specific trucks as other sets I have had worked with a normal skate tool.
In saying that I found it was good to have a combo / ring spanner 9/16 size around which did fit better on some Thunder and Venture trucks over the years.
Ebay had them really cheap so I bought half a dozen to have in the shop (as they often go missing) but also for friends who I knew had trucks that had issues like that.
(https://www.aimsindustrial.com.au/assets/thumbL/A0124087.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand Quotejust setup some classics for the first time... hanger blocks the kingpin nut from being tightened by a tool. am i an idiot or are these trucks fucked up? going to need a wrench to tighten them.[close]
Not sure if there is an issue or not with those specific trucks as other sets I have had worked with a normal skate tool.
In saying that I found it was good to have a combo / ring spanner 9/16 size around which did fit better on some Thunder and Venture trucks over the years.
Ebay had them really cheap so I bought half a dozen to have in the shop (as they often go missing) but also for friends who I knew had trucks that had issues like that.
(https://www.aimsindustrial.com.au/assets/thumbL/A0124087.jpg)[close]
I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.
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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.[close]
This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)
Mine is not as scary looking
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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.[close]
This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)
Mine is not as scary looking[close]
I liked the marketing on those tools.
Fits in a wallet (or pocket) and covers kingpin, axle and deck bolt nuts as well as a bottle opener.
Always a bottle opener, even though I don't think I have ever used it for that, I know a lot of other people have.
* Oh and grip blade on the lower side too? The other ones had a file part I think.
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I carry the sk8ology carabiner for this reason…but also have proper tools at home.[close]
This happens to me whenever I remove the washers or change to bones bushings. I usually have this tool with me that came in a Skateboard Mag 15 years ago.
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/8795/4221/products/CR_WebTool_Front_v1_current_1200x1200.jpg?v=1602617587)
Mine is not as scary looking[close]
I liked the marketing on those tools.
Fits in a wallet (or pocket) and covers kingpin, axle and deck bolt nuts as well as a bottle opener.
Always a bottle opener, even though I don't think I have ever used it for that, I know a lot of other people have.
* Oh and grip blade on the lower side too? The other ones had a file part I think.[close]
hah I had the theeve one and that was about all I used it for
I forget which side it was but the tool use to cut my hand when I would tighten something
Three sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.
Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?
So now that the AF-1 and Classics have been out a while, what are the main differences?
This is what I found so far:
Classics: Softer metal, slower grind, less durable, +2.75 WB
AF-1: Harder metal, faster grind, more durable, +2.875 WB
Missing anything?
Am I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?
Expand QuoteThree sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.
Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?[close]
It is almost always the bottom bushing washer moving, side to side as the trucks turn and puts more pressure on one side or the other, but can also happen on the top bushing washer too.
If nothing else, a little tape round the base of the kingpin has been known to work, but I think the more common thing I used was some blu tack / other sticky substance under the bottom washer and the baseplate, which seemed to work well.
As has been said, the clicking usually goes away within a few sessions, but it also depends on how tight or loose you have your trucks, which will generate movement too.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThree sessions with my new AF-1 55 Aces after skating 159 Hollow Indys for almost two years. Gotta say I can't complain, feels great! I've had classic Aces before and also liked those, hard to compare because of the one pair of Indys in between.
Only thing that I'm getting sick of is this clicking sound when I turn. Does anyone else have it? Any solutions?[close]
It is almost always the bottom bushing washer moving, side to side as the trucks turn and puts more pressure on one side or the other, but can also happen on the top bushing washer too.
If nothing else, a little tape round the base of the kingpin has been known to work, but I think the more common thing I used was some blu tack / other sticky substance under the bottom washer and the baseplate, which seemed to work well.
As has been said, the clicking usually goes away within a few sessions, but it also depends on how tight or loose you have your trucks, which will generate movement too.[close]
My trucks clicked couple times when they were new but broken in, never had that clicking return after that and it's been well over six months.
Expand QuoteAm I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?[close]
I cant be the only one who noticed a lot of ace pros have a strange hunchback stance on the board
Whoa. I’ve definitely been having more hip pains recently, but just equated it to age.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAm I just over thinking this or is the instability of riding AF1s on 14 to 14.25 wb giving me serious lower back pain?[close]
I cant be the only one who noticed a lot of ace pros have a strange hunchback stance on the board[close]
I've mentioned it before, somewhere in this thread. I get serious pains/cramps in my groin when I skate aces on anything under 14.5. I've got pretty long legs, I assume that's why. I point out the ace stance to people and they don't believe me. Glad I'm not alone.
Not sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?
Expand QuoteNot sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?[close]
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/
I rotate between Ace, Thunder, and Indy regularly.Haha. Me too. But hearing that after my hips have been noticeably more sore after sessions was interesting. But, I'm also older every time I go skate.
I experience back/hip pain with all three.
I don’t know y’all but, personally, I attribute it to being an old more than any equipment I’m riding.
But hey… Tha’s jus’ me.
Your username checks out, BTW.Haha. Me too. But hearing that after my hips have been noticeably more sore after sessions was interesting. But, I'm also older every time I go skate.Expand QuoteI rotate between Ace, Thunder, and Indy regularly.
I experience back/hip pain with all three.
I don’t know y’all but, personally, I attribute it to being an old more than any equipment I’m riding.
But hey… Tha’s jus’ me.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot sure if anyone saw Ace’s IG post… Looking like they are about to introduce a hollow kingpin version AF1?[close]
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/[close]
So hollow kingpin only?
But, I'm also older every time I go skate.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZuBsjoA2FA/[close]
So hollow kingpin only?[close]
instatizio_ltp
@acetrucks but are we talking about kingpin hollows or "everything" hollows? &#129300; 55 af1 hollows would be the ultimate truck
acetrucks
@instatizio_ltp We talkin bout everything.
if some of you guys actually think that back/hip pain is attributed to Ace Trucks, you should probably buy some different trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/0rYLwD1/Screenshot-152.png) (https://ibb.co/0rYLwD1)
Are there any problems with putting classic hangers into af1 baseplates or the other way around?
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Ace classics and AF1's are not compatable swapping hangers and baseplates in either order.
The classic hanger's pivot point is thicker than AF1's, you will eventually get baseplate warp in the pivot cavity. Same result with an AF1 hanger in a classic baseplate, the extra wiggle room will warp and break the pivot cavity since it's more brittle than the "molecular strength" of the AF1 baseplate. Their geometries are also not the same even though Ace claims it to be, and you'll notice the kingpin clearance is worse when you mix.
are you measuring the cones on the hanger also? that adds a few mms in width.
Hard to tell if the pivot cups you see online are for Classic or AF1. Haven’t found either in any shops around
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Yes, they also differ in size and are not even straight. 1mm wider on one side of the truck
Got a set of AF1 55’s today. Any set up tips?
Did anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?
Expand QuoteDid anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G60JlZmu7Ik
Do AF1s have axle bending problems? Or are they improved that from classics?
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Having held my own bent Classics alongside my warranty replacement AF1s, I’d say that they visibly increased the size of the truss which would lead me to believe that the problem is mostly solved.
(https://i.imgur.com/8hquKdb.png) "Satin Lime."
Looks like the 60s have hit Aus. Not sure I'd ride coloured trucks again but these do remind me of the anodized Stage Vs I used to love. Either way, the 8.75" axle is what I am after. Probably a few of them sitting on a cargo ship outside of Long Beach until Jah lets them dock.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDid anybody see the ace video on youtube? Something about hard bushings. Seems like they deleted it again. Some top secret hollow axle/low footage or something?[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G60JlZmu7Ik[close]
Intriguing.
I spent a very limited amount of time on my af1 44s: I just liked the classics more, decided that I liked a smaller setup/trucks (should have gotten 33s), and decided to just stick with Ventures. All of that aside, a firmer bushing/pivot cup would definitely work better for me.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDo AF1s have axle bending problems? Or are they improved that from classics?[close]
Having held my own bent Classics alongside my warranty replacement AF1s, I’d say that they visibly increased the size of the truss which would lead me to believe that the problem is mostly solved.[close]
Seems that way.
I have zero pop with the af1s. It’s a me issue. The classics popped a lot better for me tho.
Ace low wheelbase? Anybody knows?
Recently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!
I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?
I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.
Expand QuoteRecently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!
I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?
I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.[close]
My best Ace setups have been on 14.5 WB on moderate to steep concave. Carpet decks, Heroin. Super quick response and quick pop.
I had a Scumco PS stix setup with a 14.75 WB that felt good too. It felt better in ramp/ bowl situations. Not quick feeling but surfy.
I’m sure this hasn’t helped at all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteRecently needed new trucks, and on a whim decided that Ace was the only main brand I'd never really tried and it was probably time. I got the classic 44's with the hard Ace bushings and I'm really liking them so far!
I had been riding FA/Hockey 8.38's with titanium Indy's for 2+ years, and that combo was pretty damn perfect. Unfortunately that deck shape didn't go so well with the Aces though - my pop felt way off and it seemed way harder to get up onto ledges, especially nollie. Currently riding an 8.5 Hockey, which is better with the longer wheelbase etc, and it's feeling better, but was wondering if there was a more ideal shape out there. I like a steep pop, and I've been on FA/Hockey for so long my other board brand knowledge is at square one these days. What do you guys think works real well?
I'm guessing the goal is shorter/steeper nose/tails with longer wheelbase? The Polar P2 seemed interesting but I've never seen one in real life.[close]
My best Ace setups have been on 14.5 WB on moderate to steep concave. Carpet decks, Heroin. Super quick response and quick pop.
I had a Scumco PS stix setup with a 14.75 WB that felt good too. It felt better in ramp/ bowl situations. Not quick feeling but surfy.
I’m sure this hasn’t helped at all.[close]
Santa Cruz / Creature 8.375x32 with "medium concave" (which feels on the steeper side) and a 14.5 wheelbase with 6.514" tail. It has a nice full nose. Good luck finding a decent graphic - but it is a great shape with Ace.
https://www.tactics.com/creature/santa-cruz/skateboard-decks/ra-17433/rs-8.375
I love Aces on a standard South Central 8.5 (DOA, Politic, etc.) I've run classic 44s and 55s on those decks over the past few years.
You could try cutting down the cone bushing to get looser without the nut falling off
I’m about to bite the bullet and buy a set of classic 44s due to me not being able to get my af1s loose enough to my liking (i like my trucks with a unstable centre point, or a bit of shake), I’ve tried different pivot cups, taking in and out washers and different bushings and when i do loosen them enough i get way too much wheelbite (even with risers). I’ve looked through here and come to the conclusion that classics would be more suited to me due to them having more of an ‘acey’ feeling, not as stable + having less wheelbite due to a different geometry, would this be correct? As im going through bad board madness right now and would need guidance hahah.
Expand QuoteI’m about to bite the bullet and buy a set of classic 44s due to me not being able to get my af1s loose enough to my liking (i like my trucks with a unstable centre point, or a bit of shake), I’ve tried different pivot cups, taking in and out washers and different bushings and when i do loosen them enough i get way too much wheelbite (even with risers). I’ve looked through here and come to the conclusion that classics would be more suited to me due to them having more of an ‘acey’ feeling, not as stable + having less wheelbite due to a different geometry, would this be correct? As im going through bad board madness right now and would need guidance hahah.[close]
The difference between classics and AF1 turn isn’t that drastic. Maybe try the super soft white Independent bushings? Have you tried shaving down your top bushing?
when are those hollow joints supposed to drop again?dont think they have mentioned a date. i dmed them like a man and will edit this post if they reply
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.
Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.Been rocking my 03’s on 8-8.12” boards, anything wider is too magic carpet for me.
Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.
dont think they have mentioned a date. i dmed them like a man and will edit this post if they replyExpand Quotewhen are those hollow joints supposed to drop again?[close]
Ace is made in China
Forgive me, but I thought Ace were made in the USA so why would customs be an issue for the U.S.?
Just chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.
Expand QuoteJust chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.[close]
what was your previous set?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.[close]
what was your previous set?[close]
i've been skating thunder 149 for most of the last decade, but have been skating mostly indy 149 in the last 2-3 years. this is the first pair of ace since my first and only set that i skated around 08-09
Not much we didn't already know but cool little interview with Joey T about Ace.
https://www.vhsmag.com/voice-of-freedom/joey-tershay-en/ (https://www.vhsmag.com/voice-of-freedom/joey-tershay-en/)
Just putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s
Expand QuoteJust putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s[close]
My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?
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My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?[close]
Ordering some shaped decks from PS or BBS is a far cry from retooling a factory half the world away to make a limited run of skateboard trucks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust putting this out into the universe: somebody should do an Ace but with stage 7s[close]
My dream truck is a stage 7 with (any amount of) improved kingpin clearance and no axle slip. NHS has the big bucks and is already very successful with their reissue boards, so would it kill them to reissue some trucks as well?[close]
Ordering some shaped decks from PS or BBS is a far cry from retooling a factory half the world away to make a limited run of skateboard trucks.[close]
Sure. I am certain that you are correct, the logistics would be shit. But goddamn the dream…adding to the difficult details, I remember hearing some 5th hand account of indy leaving ermico and some talk of the molds…say they might not even have them. But stage 7s with modern manufacturing!? Fuck. The older truck sounded better too, but that’s most likely some fried shit that isn’t real
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust chiming in to say I skated the AF1 55 for the first time the other day. Had a fantastic session.[close]
what was your previous set?[close]
i've been skating thunder 149 for most of the last decade, but have been skating mostly indy 149 in the last 2-3 years. this is the first pair of ace since my first and only set that i skated around 08-09[close]
Love that ace turn, and being able to run big ass wheels with little to no wheelbite, so I can’t totally banish the ace, but…I cannot pop for shit on most setups with ace.
Right now I’m on thunder 149s, and really appreciate the pop and consistency. I skate flatground mostly. If I was on round walls it’d be right back to the ace.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)
What are experiences with Classic hangers in AF1 baseplates? I don’t like my AF1s but I do have a spare set of classic 55 hangers I wouldn’t mind putting on a pool board.
Sorry I know this has definitely been answered before, I couldn’t find anything via search but I know it’s definitely here. I know one combination worked better than the other but struggling to remember.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Expand QuoteWhat are experiences with Classic hangers in AF1 baseplates? I don’t like my AF1s but I do have a spare set of classic 55 hangers I wouldn’t mind putting on a pool board.
Sorry I know this has definitely been answered before, I couldn’t find anything via search but I know it’s definitely here. I know one combination worked better than the other but struggling to remember.[close]
It was me
I bought a set of af1 in a size I thought I was gonna rock and they’re just too heavy and since af1 are a liver and an arm I just plugged my classic 44 hangar on the af1 baseplates and it just felt like a more solid stable classic, slightly heavier but a classic that’s more solid and slightly more stable
I think the af1 just have a better solid turn but man they heavy
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Can’t wait to get the 60s! Being in Finland where Hoep is the distributor means it’s gonna happen real soon!
Then I’m gonna have the dilemma of which trucks to skate:
44 classics
55 classics
66 classics
55 AF1
60 AF1
66 AF1
;D
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZmn2E-J9qM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Not sure if there's been any pics of the 60s uploaded yet but Curren Caples has been skating them
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Can’t wait to get the 60s! Being in Finland where Hoep is the distributor means it’s gonna happen real soon!
Then I’m gonna have the dilemma of which trucks to skate:
44 classics
55 classics
66 classics
55 AF1
60 AF1
66 AF1
;D[close]
Go ahead https://myfavoritethings.fi/collections/new-arrivals/products/ace-trucks-af1-polished-60
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca4sIwws24A/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Where is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing... :'(
Ace virgin here, have a pair of the Ace 03 that I'm thinking to try, dip my toes into the world of Ace before the new AF1 Low gets released.
Anyone got a review of the 03? They are listed as 53mm on the Ace website which seems off since Classic are 53mm. Thinking of rocking them on a 8.25, if you've done similar let me know.
Where is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing... :'(
Expand QuoteWhere is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing... :'([close]
i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.
i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing... :'([close]
i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.
i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.[close]
Idk man, ace is pretty good at making shit no one asked for and not giving us what everyone wanted…
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhere is the regular hollow AF1’s? Thought that was a thing... :'([close]
i guarantee you an AF-1 hollow will happen at some point. When? Not sure. Interview on VHS mag with Joey Tershay states that Hollow AF-1 is in the works.
i’m just planning on using risers with the lows. 1/8 inch risers are 3.17 mm, so riding them with the lows would put it 52.17 height. 53 is AF-1 normal. I think 52 is classic.[close]
Idk man, ace is pretty good at making shit no one asked for and not giving us what everyone wanted…[close]
I think people need to temper their expectations of Ace so they stop getting so disappointed. There is a cult like following for Ace and just trucks in general on here. There is also a lot of armchair skate truck business talk on here for people just being regular skaters. There is an inflated sense of self-importance on here as well, and when people's expectations aren't met they get pissed. Ace doesn't have to listen to anyone on here. Joey has been in the biz for decades, and i'll trust his discretion over anyone on this forum. this stuff doesn't happen over night. It takes research and testing that can take years. For the longest time Ace only had the Classics, now that that's changing that somehow isn't good enough? Everyone here is probably still gonna be skating aces anyway, so let's just be happy we're getting new shit.
My new 55 classics are already bending. How bent is "bent enough" to contact ace and get new ones? What's their policy?
My new 55 classics are already bending. How bent is "bent enough" to contact ace and get new ones? What's their policy?
Anyone ever changed the pivot cups in the Ace low mag plates? (Classics 03 etc)?
@Xen maybe you??
Expand QuoteAnyone ever changed the pivot cups in the Ace low mag plates? (Classics 03 etc)?
@Xen maybe you??[close]
@Nth syd bear
Nope, that was before my OCD tinker-time ;)
Only change I did was swap in some Bones hards.
Titanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.
Expand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.
Anyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.
Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.
Expand QuoteAnyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.
Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.[close]
Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…
Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.
Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.
Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.
Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.
Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.
If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.
All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.
Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.
Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.[close]
Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…
Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.
Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.
Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.
Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.
Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.
If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.
All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.
Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.[close]
Ventures turn the same as Indy's imo.
Expand QuoteAnyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.
Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.[close]
Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…
Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.
Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.
Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.
Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.
Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.
If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.
All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.
Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone here had thunders and tried aces? Aces look weak as hell. Not sure if they're lighter though.
Edit: Nvm. Aces are heavy AF for some reason 394g's for AF1s vs thunder titanium's which are 312g's for 8.25. Getting thunders next probs.[close]
Up until about a year ago, I was primarily on Thunders, but gave some Ace Classics a try & loved their turn.
Here’s my take…
Weight: Thunder wins out here: until there’s a hollow Ace, even the standard Thunders will likely weigh less.
Pop: I prefer the pop on the Thunders, but after getting used to the Ace, the reduced effort to get that tail/nose to the ground feels nice, but side by side, I still prefer the steeper pop of the Thunder.
Turn: Ace all day, all the way. I’m going to get all D. Gesmer for a second & remind everybody that “turning is the essence of skateboarding.” ;) My Aces turn in nearly as quickly as the seemingly psychically controlled Thunders, but do so waaay deeper by having the sweep of the hanger at a less extreme angle (more towards the center of the board, less upward toward the deck itself). For this same reason, they are less prone to wheel-bite, even while run looser. I can run 56mm wheels on the Ace while at being limited to 54mm on the Thunders to maintain similar performance. Also, for how “surfy” these feel, they are also very stable across the middle & pop back to center real nice. Thunders are just alright, by comparison, in both regards.
Grind: I’m throwing this one over to Thunder with a caveat: I’m riding the Ace Classics & they are renowned for having a “slow/sticky” grind, compared to some other aluminum. The AF1s feel a lot more like all the other trucks I prefer. One of my sets of Thunders is well into the axle, and that pair are the best grinding trucks I’ve ever had (since the last pair I took down into steel) but that’s more about the metallurgy. I did NOT like the narrower axle “barrel” of the Thunder hanger when they were new, but once worked in a bit, they were fine.
Durability: both have been known to have issues, Ace has a bit of a reputation for QC issues, as I’m sure you know. Both manus have excellent warrantee policies though, so as long as you’ve got a back up pair of trucks you don’t mind setting up while your new set of whatever you choose gets shipped to you, you should be good to go.
Pinch: Thunder. Definately. Not that I’m out their pinching grinds very often, but Thunder for sure.
If you add all of this up, it seems like Thunder is a no-brainer, but I fucking love these Classics. The turn, man… it’s beautiful and not to be underrated, but if it’s tech skating you’re after, my money is on the Thunders.
All of this comes, by the way, from a dude who frequently (& happily) rides three or more different set-ups a session, each w/ different dims & trucks, so how much are you really going to trust my opinion?
Also, MY tech game is nearly non existent, so maybe that advises you as far as how seriously you should weigh my input.
Currently on Indys, Thunder & Ace (love them all, for their own reasons) & I have a set of Ventures that I am hesitant to set up, because I like a quick turn.[close]
Ventures turn the same as Indy's imo.[close]
Are you riding your trucks either extremely tight or wobbly loose?
AF1 lows turned up this morning and they are soooo good looking
Mind you I have not skated regular AF1's or seen them up close before
Really beefy hangars compared to classic lows , finish is beautiful, weight feels great, hollow kp tick
If these skate as good as they look :o
sorry if I sound ignorant, but what is the consensus on hollow regular af1s? Are they coming does it seem or will only the lows be hollow?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.[close]
I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.
Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.[close]
I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.
Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.[close]
This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.
I can attest, from experience, that a really mediocre skateboarder will be a really mediocre skateboarder on any truck, so you may well be onto something here.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.[close]
I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.
Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.[close]
This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.[close]
A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.[close]
I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.
Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.[close]
This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.
I can attest, from experience, that a really mediocre skateboarder will be a really mediocre skateboarder on any truck, so you may well be onto something here.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.[close]
I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.
Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.[close]
This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.[close]
A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.[close]
Seriously, though: some of y’all don’t get used to a new set-up in a few minutes? I’m guessing it’s different once the really technical tricks gets added to the equation & maybe that’s where I’m having trouble relating (as a very basic skater) but I love trying the homies’ set-ups out, precisely because they ARE different than what I’m riding.
That’s actually how I wound up falling in love w/ Ace trucks in the first place (Thanks, Barker.)
Ordered a set of pivot cups and hard bushings for my AF1 44s and they feel great. Using the new hard barrel bushings with my older top bushings. I’ll post a pic later
Also - after a year of skating AF1s I think my front pivot cup is blowing out, it seems to ride fine but i see a chunk of rubber rupturing out the side.
Never had this problem before, do replacing the pivot cups give your trucks that annoying "new truck feeling"?
Recommend replacing just the one, or both at the same time?
Or should I just ride this shit till my skating feels noticeably impacted?
do all aces keep leaning to the side when they're new? i mean like if you lean to one side and step off, the trucks stay leaning in that direction.
i saw a post of someone with the exact same truck as mine having the same problem, and it got me wondering...
I think it helps to keep the initial rebound and looseness while being stiffer deeper into a turn, reducing wheel bite.Expand QuoteOrdered a set of pivot cups and hard bushings for my AF1 44s and they feel great. Using the new hard barrel bushings with my older top bushings. I’ll post a pic later[close]
What's the benefit of mixing soft and hard bottom bushings? I know Ace stock bushings are already mixed hardness, just forget the logic there...
Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?Never heard a bad word about them before, how long you've been waiting for answer?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
Never heard a bad word about them before, how long you've been waiting for answer?Expand QuoteIs ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever[close]
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?
You know Barker? Big Jim is living in Chico now and he should come up. I’d love to get a curb session with them both.I can attest, from experience, that a really mediocre skateboarder will be a really mediocre skateboarder on any truck, so you may well be onto something here.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTitanium Thunders are mad light and feel much lighter than standard Aces despite the much longer wheelbase. I had a set of Ti 149s with forged plates. Such light pop that I just couldn’t get used to it. I don’t have such finesse. Not a Thunder fan otherwise either so got rid of them. Much happier with Ace.[close]
Damn wtf really? I kinda want less weight for flip tricks. How do aces grind? I got mad grooves on ventures and they are still holding strong.[close]
I would not suggest aces if you're worried about flip tricks. Especially if you like the way your ventures skate. Many people report a "floppy" feeling to their flip tricks on ace because of the light pop feel and short wheelbase. Thunders will retain a snappy pop feel, while being one of the lightest trucks.
Edit: look at the general types of guys on thunder vs ace, should give you an idea of what they're each best at.[close]
This is why I'm making the switch back to Thunder, I love Ace but I know I'm not that guy.
I do love seeing alternatives to the norm though. You would think Jacopo Carozzi would skate Thunders with how tech he is but he absolutely crushes it on Ace.[close]
A really good skateboarder will be a really good skateboarder on any truck.[close]
Seriously, though: some of y’all don’t get used to a new set-up in a few minutes? I’m guessing it’s different once the really technical tricks gets added to the equation & maybe that’s where I’m having trouble relating (as a very basic skater) but I love trying the homies’ set-ups out, precisely because they ARE different than what I’m riding.
That’s actually how I wound up falling in love w/ Ace trucks in the first place (Thanks, Barker.)
Is ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?
I have to say, I hated the hard bushings on my ace classics. In the past I would run hard bushings on every other truck brand. Although the trucks still had their ace characteristics, they felt lifeless and sluggish. I also found they lost that "lean". Normally when I land tricks sketchy, I can kind of lean it out. Not with the hard bushings. Threw everything off. Ace definitely perform better stock. I'd only use these if you are dead set on tight trucks.
Expand QuoteIs ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever[close]
Weird. I noticed my Ace were bent on a Sunday and I had new AF1s by Friday.
Expand QuoteAnyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?[close]
I’m with you, classics definitely perform better. I appreciate the higher quality and durability of AF1s, but they don’t grind nearly as well as classics.
Anyone here went from Classics, to AF1 and now back to classics?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs ace customer service as bad as their quality control?
Filed warranty claim, never heard back.
Wrote them on instagram, they assured me they're going to get back to me, and it still never happened.
Not in spam either. My 55 classics are hella bent now, without any impact whatsoever[close]
Weird. I noticed my Ace were bent on a Sunday and I had new AF1s by Friday.[close]
Did you ask them for AF1s or is that something they're suggesting to everybody with bent classics? I'd be down for it. If they ever reply.
@fakie varial flip Ace Classic 55s are closer to Indy 169s . That's why the Ace 60s are about to drop to fill that gap in Ace sizing.
Update on the warranty, they never answered my first warranty claim, I sent a second one yesterday and they answered today. Don't know what happened to the first one, but I'm getting some AF1s and that's pretty amazing.
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)
Setting up a new board and noticed the baseplate of my AF1s has curved in at the lip towards the board. Anyone have this issue? Been skating them 6 months and I'm a heavy noseslider but still i expect more of these forged baseplates
(https://i.imgur.com/KrluO4x.jpg)
Ok wow I feel like I've kooked myself here since everyone else has this all the time haha. I've for some reason never had it happen like this despite my relentless nosesliding over the past 10 years on many different trucks. Good to know its normal for others
I've gotta be honest, I've been a little disappointed in the grind on the Ace AF1s. I know that the Classics are supposed to have the super buttery grind, but a lot of the reviews for the AF1 were still really positive. However, they don't seem to grind through stuff nearly as well as my Indys.
They're still a blast to ride and the turn is awesome, I'm having a lot of fun on them, that's just my feedback after my first couple of sessions.
is anyone picking up the 60 lows?
interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs
I've gotta be honest, I've been a little disappointed in the grind on the Ace AF1s. I know that the Classics are supposed to have the super buttery grind, but a lot of the reviews for the AF1 were still really positive. However, they don't seem to grind through stuff nearly as well as my Indys.
They're still a blast to ride and the turn is awesome, I'm having a lot of fun on them, that's just my feedback after my first couple of sessions.
lows are going up to 60 if i remember correctlyExpand Quoteis anyone picking up the 60 lows?
interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs[close]
Are they doing a 66, or is 60 the largest they’re going? Either way, I’m planning on picking up a set because I’m genuinely curious why these would exist and I’ve got an orange Classic Eagle in the stack calling their name. Seems like it might be a fun parking lot/curb setup…
Ace post about unloading the container for spring, indicates that there are some new products on board. Large boxes of AF1 Lows are visible, which I supposed means they will be shipping out around the US soon. I didn't see any hollows, but that dual-color ano baseplate AF1 looks fucking sick.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cb2pVwvg7dS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
What's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.
(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)
(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)
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What's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.Could just be the lighting in your pic, but it looks like the centerline on the Indy’s axle is a few mm higher than the Aces.
(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)
(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)
(https://i.ibb.co/C26rrFq/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C26rrFq)
I agree, it looks higher to me. Ace are 53mm and Indy standard are 55mm so the difference is minimal, roughly the thickness of a bones washer.Could just be the lighting in your pic, but it looks like the centerline on the Indy’s axle is a few mm higher than the Aces.Expand QuoteWhat's up with Ace being the same height as Indy? Indy are meant to be 55mm and Ace 52mm. I measured my Indy's and they are 50mm from baseplate to middle of axle. Sorry if this is a dumb post but going through serious truck madness and this has sent me over the edge.
(https://i.ibb.co/RTk1T7W/IMG-20220402-113634-320.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RTk1T7W)
(Stole this image from a Royal thread. Sorry!)
(https://i.ibb.co/C26rrFq/9-BCA7-DD4-D27-E-443-D-A0-C8-B08907059172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C26rrFq)[close]
is anyone picking up the 60 lows?I gave away a set of minilogo 8.75 that are probably 48 or 49mm that I bought trying to make a wide lowrider old guy board. They push in the wheelbase although a tiny bit less than classic Ace. The overall feel of a low, wide, turny truck is great, I just can’t ride wheels small enough for their height at any of my spots other than the skatepark and while the same truck on a riser feels great, I always ended up putting on 55 classics instead.
interested in hearing how a 49mm 8.75 truck performs
Just got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.
Expand QuoteJust got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.[close]
I'm running hard bushings on my AF1 after coming from stock indies, very stable but deep turn when you need it.
Just got a pair of aces as my backup; impulse buy when I went to visit a skateshop i really like. Any medium-tight ace riders? I ride indies and have em on pretty medium-tight.
All the new trucks are up on the Ace web store. Lows, 60s, new colors etc. So will likely be showing up in local US stores any day now...
Does Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?
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Does Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?
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Not only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truckI'm getting a truck-boner just looking at it.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ATAAB7-44_ACE-AF1-Anodized-Blue-Orange-FH_813f1cca-e358-4136-8967-4439d7d5a661_1024x1024.jpg)
I'm getting a truck-boner just looking at it.Expand QuoteNot only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truck
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2032/6135/products/ATAAB7-44_ACE-AF1-Anodized-Blue-Orange-FH_813f1cca-e358-4136-8967-4439d7d5a661_1024x1024.jpg)[close]
Ace of supporting shops, going for that DTC money
I'm getting a truck-boner just looking at it.Expand QuoteNot only is Ace apparel the dopest, look at this fucking truck
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Expand QuoteDoes Ace beat every other truck company in the apparel game?
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Really not saying much, truck company apparel is usually corny as fuck. Ace does it well.
id dare say that venture has the least corny truck merch
classic 90s vibes from the awake shirts
OK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...
The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.
I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.
Anyone try the new lows yet? If buying the lows truly means I can turn any AF1 into a ~51mm truck, I'm gonna do it for sure. On pictures it looks like it works, but I need to be sure
Expand QuoteOK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...
The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.
I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.[close]
Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteOK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...
The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.
I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.[close]
Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics[close]
FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...
The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.
I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.[close]
Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics[close]
FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).[close]
That’s good to hear. I’m sure this community is a little different than the rest.
As the af-1s were coming out, there seemed to be a lot of momentum, as well as some folks looking for an alternative to Indy. I don’t speak to people about gear outside, so I dunno what the feedback was.
My main truck criteria is pop. I have absolutely cried about this on here previously, but that is my main problem with ace: I can’t get em off of the ground. Love the look (33s are as good looking of a truck as there is, the all time goat is Phil Shao era ventures, aesthetically), love the turn. But I’ve only had one setup, in my preferred size, that was popping: 8.25 x 14 wb 44 classics, 56 mm wheels. **The classic 55s actually have a really good pop feeling, for me. I’m 100 percent an idiot, but that truck feels a lot different than the 44 classics, to me. I also cannot easily get a tool on the kingpin but which leads me to believe that the geometry is different. If I wasn’t made out dust and tears I’d skate the 55 classics, but alas I’m weak on those are fun for a day, but too big.
I put af-1 44s on a new board and it just feels waterlogged. Sounds weird. Feels weirder.
So, dear ace enthusiast: any combos that work? Or tips? With ventures, my popping foot is better off near the very tip of the board, which is a natural feeling for me, once being a tiny shit trying to get a whale tail off of the ground. I’ve tried to move my foot in from the tip and just haven’t figured it out. Personal problem, as there are for sure people using them that can get way up.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteOK, putting in some solid time on my AF1s now and they are growing on me each session. I think I'm at that point where they feel better than Classics now, turn, pop and grind...
The grind has definitely got better now they are broken in a bit. And I can already tell they are going to be way more durable than classics.
I'm also really starting to like the tinny sound they make. Where are my 60s?? Jah Bless.[close]
Posts like these make me less nervous to make the switch from classics[close]
FWIW I know a bunch of not-online people who skate the AF1s and absolutely love them. To the best of my knowledge, not a single one of them has had any problem with their trucks (something I can't say for my two friends who bought Lurpivs).[close]
That’s good to hear. I’m sure this community is a little different than the rest.
As the af-1s were coming out, there seemed to be a lot of momentum, as well as some folks looking for an alternative to Indy. I don’t speak to people about gear outside, so I dunno what the feedback was.
My main truck criteria is pop. I have absolutely cried about this on here previously, but that is my main problem with ace: I can’t get em off of the ground. Love the look (33s are as good looking of a truck as there is, the all time goat is Phil Shao era ventures, aesthetically), love the turn. But I’ve only had one setup, in my preferred size, that was popping: 8.25 x 14 wb 44 classics, 56 mm wheels. **The classic 55s actually have a really good pop feeling, for me. I’m 100 percent an idiot, but that truck feels a lot different than the 44 classics, to me. I also cannot easily get a tool on the kingpin but which leads me to believe that the geometry is different. If I wasn’t made out dust and tears I’d skate the 55 classics, but alas I’m weak on those are fun for a day, but too big.
I put af-1 44s on a new board and it just feels waterlogged. Sounds weird. Feels weirder.
So, dear ace enthusiast: any combos that work? Or tips? With ventures, my popping foot is better off near the very tip of the board, which is a natural feeling for me, once being a tiny shit trying to get a whale tail off of the ground. I’ve tried to move my foot in from the tip and just haven’t figured it out. Personal problem, as there are for sure people using them that can get way up.[close]
I felt this when I first set up AF1s, couldn't get the board off the ground. I think it was 44s on an 8.18 Quasi. I put them away for like half a year and then set them up on an FA 8.25 and they felt fine and now that's my main setup. No idea if my position changed at all, but I just got used to them. I agree the board sounds a bit dead compared to indy's or especially ventures, but it's just something I've gotten used to as well.
When I first got Ace 33s years ago I saw a lot of comments that they are a bitch to break in but much better with Bones bushings so I always used those. Then when I moved on to 44s I swapped Bones out of habit as well.
Seems to be more of a consensus now that the standard bushings are the way to go, so I figured I might as well give them a fair go, not the least because I had a bit of an issue with wheel bite even though I have 52mm wheels. First session down and they feel great, put the kingpin nut flush and didn’t need to touch them at all. Top bushing on one truck started bulging out from under the washer when I was just rocking back and forth before even sessioning them but I’m sure that will fix itself eventually.
What type of washers do you run with the stock bushings? With Bones I’ve had flat top and either no bottom or regular bottom, for now I’m running both stock washers which should benefit the geometry at least, but I wonder if there are other gains to be made.
So what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.have a pair of 55s on my wife's setup, never a problem, tightened them a 1/4 of turn yesterday at the park and now it's click central!!!
have a pair of 55s on my wife's setup, never a problem, tightened them a 1/4 of turn yesterday at the park and now it's click central!!!Expand QuoteSo what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.[close]
Among my considerable amount of hot takes, has been a fairly firm assertion that af-1s ain’t popping: obviously wrong. I’d prefer a stiffer pivot cup, I think, but…just had a lot of fun on some. Had them setup with a short wb and slightly larger wheel. Too much turn maybe. Pop was really easy, light feeling treflips. The dull thud wasn’t present either.
All to say, I don’t know what I’m talking about.
At first I superglued the kingpin nut to the top washer.Expand Quotehave a pair of 55s on my wife's setup, never a problem, tightened them a 1/4 of turn yesterday at the park and now it's click central!!!Expand QuoteSo what's the consensus on AF1s clicking? I saw earlier in this thread people said it's washer clicking against kingpin and a bunch of different solutions. I pulled the hanger off and checked everything out, put the truck back together but still clicking.[close][close]
So this is probably common knowledge, but when the bushing washers are wider round the kingpin they will move side to side when bushings compress. This is what causes the click when you lean left or right on the trucks, almost entirely the bottom washer with contact on the baseplate being the thing to check / change.
I tried some other washers that didn't have so much movement and there was almost no clicking, but doing things like a bit of something sticky on the baseplate just around the kinpin (we have blu tack here in AU, but any of that stuff that falls under the adhesive putty name) as well as tape round the kingpin itself are two things that have prevented clicking completely for others who have had the same issues and didn't want to replace parts.
The tighter the trucks, the more likely the bushings will click too, but once they wear in and have a bit more grip the clicking tends to stop or at least there is a lot less of it.
A Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?
Hold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.
Some next level nerdery and attention to detail holy shit.Expand QuoteHold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.[close]
If you are talking about Trahan he could be using the 1/16th” shock pads ace makes, if been looking at his ace ad and it appears that there are still threads poking threw on his bolts but there is clearly a riser pad. Unless he rocks 1 1/8th hardware but bronze only makes 1”
Expand QuoteA Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?[close]
Correct.
Some next level nerdery and attention to detail holy shit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHold on, so a video is coming out featuring a pro rider on the lows and they’re using risers? 3mm risers bring them up to 52mm so that’s kinda funny cuz that’s basically almost stock AF1.[close]
If you are talking about Trahan he could be using the 1/16th” shock pads ace makes, if been looking at his ace ad and it appears that there are still threads poking threw on his bolts but there is clearly a riser pad. Unless he rocks 1 1/8th hardware but bronze only makes 1”[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?[close]
Correct.[close]
Quicker? How so? Genuinely curious I'd think every aspect of a low would be slower, less deep, even with a riser.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA Low truck with risers will not equate to a high truck without. It will still be a different feeling turn and a possibly more stable quicker turn. Could suit some people. I presume the Lows are lighter also?[close]
Correct.[close]
Quicker? How so? Genuinely curious I'd think every aspect of a low would be slower, less deep, even with a riser.
Few questions:
Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?
Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?
Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness?
Few questions:
Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?
Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?
Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.
Expand QuoteFew questions:
Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?
Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?
Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.[close]
You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.
It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.
Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.
Expand QuoteFew questions:
Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?
Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?
Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness?[close]
To me, ace feel heavier in the hand, lighter on the board, in regards to the effort that it takes to pop
There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteFew questions:
Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?
Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?
Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.[close]
You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.
It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.
Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.[close]
‘No statistics or magic at play’ : truuuuuuue.
I’m starting to believe that just about anything will work, for damn near whomever, it’s adjusting to it. Ace has a really unique turn, that is excellent.
For mckracken: for me, I need to pop from the tips of the nose/tail, with ventures, compared to some other trucks. I’m very used to this, so I like it. Not sure what hasn’t been working for you. Hopefully you find something that works!
There’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteFew questions:
Ace are no light trucks - do you really feel the weight difference to let’s say thunder hollows or venture v hollows? How? Can you pop less high?
Are hollow ace coming anytime soon?
Can ace with its original bushings be tightened til if feels Kind of similar to Venture trucks (just how they come) from the wobbelyness? I don’t like it too lose.[close]
You just have to get used to them. There’s no statistics or magic at play here. Some people will like the way they pop, and some will just never come around to it.
It sounds like hollow Aces are coming. The new Low baseplates have hollow kingpins.
Get the hard bushings if you need to have medium/tight trucks. You’d have to crank the regular bushings into oblivion to get Aces to feel like Ventures.[close]
‘No statistics or magic at play’ : truuuuuuue.
I’m starting to believe that just about anything will work, for damn near whomever, it’s adjusting to it. Ace has a really unique turn, that is excellent.
For mckracken: for me, I need to pop from the tips of the nose/tail, with ventures, compared to some other trucks. I’m very used to this, so I like it. Not sure what hasn’t been working for you. Hopefully you find something that works![close]
Somehow my pop is strange on them. Maybe it’s really that the tail is too short for them. Magenta big plant 8.0
14“ wb 8“ and I think the tail is around 6.3
I was riding decks with short tails before, but on thunders and royals
I somehow struggle more with manuals on them. Not nose mannies, but normal ones.Expand QuoteThere’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….[close]
I‘m really thinking about trying titanium indys. I have to admit that I somehow feel like indies are somehow boring compared to ace and this is holding me back ..
Expand QuoteThere’s a point if you’re asking too many questions, the only answer is Indy….[close]
Emphatic yes. Indy the default, unless one has a specific reason otherwise.
@manysnakes are you back on Indys?
Anyone got hands on the 60s yet?
I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...
Expand QuoteAnyone got hands on the 60s yet?
I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...[close]
Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm
Anyone run af1 55s on an 8.25? I really want that rizzo penny graphic
Expand QuoteAnyone run af1 55s on an 8.25? I really want that rizzo penny graphic[close]
I haven’t. But I have run 149s, on 8.25. That’s arguably the most common ratio of the last 10 years. Meaning you should be good
What wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.
Expand QuoteWhat wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.[close]
14.3x
polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wbExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.[close]
14.3x[close]
This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.
polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wbExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.[close]
14.3x[close]
This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.[close]
theres at least one every drop
polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wbExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.[close]
14.3x[close]
This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.[close]
theres at least one every drop
I prefer 14.38”wb on Aces. It’s super weird because I’m like 5”5 so it should be too long for me, but isn’t. For reference I normally skate sub 14” on every other truck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone got hands on the 60s yet?
I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...[close]
Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm[close]
I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time
polars 8.75 popsicle is listed with a 14.375 wbExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat wheelbase do you prefer with Aces? I've tried all between 14 and 14.75 except 14.5. and tend to like wider wheelbase bc I feel like my setup weights a ton if I pair short wb with Aces.[close]
14.3x[close]
This. 14.38 appears to be the sweet spot. Which is Unfortunate because 8.75x14.38 is kinda rare.[close]
theres at least one every drop
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone got hands on the 60s yet?
I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...[close]
Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm[close]
I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time[close]
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A hair under an even 6”. The camera distorts too much if I try to take a pic of the whole truck. So, two pics to show it squared up on the measurements.
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I know the axle is 8.75" but wondering what the hangers come in at... Presuming close to 159/ 151/ 6.1s etc...[close]
Wondering the same thing because my 9" AF1 66s as well as the 55 classics are only 159 or at most 160 mm[close]
I’ve felt like my classic 55s were similar to 159s, but haven’t had both at the same time[close]
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A hair under an even 6”. The camera distorts too much if I try to take a pic of the whole truck. So, two pics to show it squared up on the measurements.[close]
Looks like you might be measuring a little under. You have to take into account the sight conical ends to the hanger (they do that so the bearings shields don't sit on the hanger)
Has anyone mixed ace hard bottom bushing with the softer stock top bushing?
Curious if it makes the truck more stable at center like indys?
Expand QuoteHas anyone mixed ace hard bottom bushing with the softer stock top bushing?
Curious if it makes the truck more stable at center like indys?[close]
I had a similar issue when i first got Af1's, i found that tightening them a bit then skating them for a few sessions lead to the bushings kinda "pancaking" out and stabilizing at the center more.
Just got my pair of 60s and the hangers come in at around 154 and axles at 8 3/4", which is perfect for my needs. So a slightly ( but noticeable) smaller hanger than Indy 159s. I could probably ride these on everything from an 8.4 pop to a 9.18 Huffer. Stoked.
I agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.
Expand QuoteI agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.[close]
Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.
My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.
Expand QuoteI agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.[close]
Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.
My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.
Expand QuoteI agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.[close]
Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.
My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI agree. These could be the trucks I settle on for sure but new bushing sponginess sucks! Tempted to put some old bushings in, if these don't firm up a bit. The bushings on my Af1 55s did break in really nice but it took a long time.[close]
Just my two cents, but with the AF-1 the sponginess isn't the bushings but the pivot cups. Riptide is about to come out with replacements that will likely be more firm out of the gate.
My incurable truck madness that makes me constantly switch between 44 classics and Indy 149s is getting kind of triggered by the 60s. I've been avoiding AF-1s because I hate the pivot cups but I know once an alternative is available I am going to probably cave.[close]
Maybe I described it wrong but its the bushings for me for sure. I've had three sets of Af1s at this point and the the pivot cups have always been fine. These bushings are already firming up a bit just like they did with the other pairs... although I caved and put Krux bushings in my 66s.
Holy shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…
Holy shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…
Expand QuoteHoly shit these 60s are good. Amazing out of the gate. Bushings are good now. This might be my holy grail truck…[close]
Do you use risers? Been wanting to get some and kinda scared of massive wheelbite with them being low, wide and loose.
Correct standard AF1s. I've never messed with a low. I use risers most of the time, even with standards.
Does the AF-1 grind slow down once it is broken in? I got the AF-1 lows and my god, the grind is so slippery.
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)if you’re going to get ace i’d recommend the AF1s! the grind will feel different but that turn is incredible. i wish ya luck :)
I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah
I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)I would go for it and if you hate them, try the ace bushings in the Indy trucks before completely writing them off.
I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah
I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.
I've been diehard Indy since at least 2009. I've only dabbled briefly with Thunders once and did not like it. Before switching full time to Indy I tried Royal, Silver, and Thunder only with bad results (baseplate cracking, kingpin issues, etc.)
I've hated the thought of breaking away from my Indy love, but are Ace Classics worth trying if they're on sale for $34 a set or is it worth it to try AF-1 instead? My wallet is hoping everyone says NO! Hahah
I recently picked up Venture 5.8 and Thunder 151 for some experimental shit on some unused decks I've been sitting on. Haven't set up yet. I'm also considering Ace for my experimental shit after skating for 16 years.
I found the ultimate combo for AF1's. Stock bottom bushings with those Array sleeved washers, Ace aftermarket hard top bushings with no top washer. Insane turn, snap back to center is incredible.Race to amazon for the cheap version they're back in stock.
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/9681/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washers
Sorry for the tease if you're interested in them, looks like out of stock :(
Race to amazon for the cheap version they're back in stock.Expand QuoteI found the ultimate combo for AF1's. Stock bottom bushings with those Array sleeved washers, Ace aftermarket hard top bushings with no top washer. Insane turn, snap back to center is incredible.
https://www.muirskate.com/longboard/products/9681/array-machined-barrel-sleeved-washers
Sorry for the tease if you're interested in them, looks like out of stock :([close]
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TD05FQM?psc=1&smid=A2NUTIP4YG7D18&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp
not to mention that scary NFG urethane wizard that is now grooming some of you
see you in a month or two
Counting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down
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Expand QuoteCounting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down
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Stick with the classics my dude...
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteCounting my days on my year old classic 44s. Well into the axel on the front from crooks. Easily my favorite pair of trucks ever. Never touched anything on them, just rode em how they came. I have AF1s on ice, hope they dont let me down
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Stick with the classics my dude...[close]
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(
When you said you loved the Ace 44 classics and these were your favorite trucks ever, that was literally me. I tried the AF-1 and couldn't get over how the grind changed. If you love something stick with it.
I hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.
Expand QuoteI hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713[close]
thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...
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I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.[close]
this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.ace being popular on slap makes perfect sense
For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.
For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)
I feel like Ace doesn't meet the hype after some of these comments. Is it mostly just the turn? When I started reading somethings about the grind, I almost feel like Indys are a safer buy. I say this as a poor. haha. So take this all with a grain of salt guys. I'm purely curious, I don't mean to come in talking shit. I know I'm saying some slanderous shit.
For some perspective, I've gone from magic carpeting 8.6 boards with venture 5.6's to riding 151s on 8.6-8.75 to recently a huffer (9.1ish)
I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.
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I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.[close]
"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.
It's wild to see trucks that worked without a crook groove or nose/tail slide marks on the baseplate. Time to diversify my friend!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713[close]
thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...[close]
Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I don’t think any other truck would have fared better.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)
I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.[close]
this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to[close]
Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I haven’t noticed a difference on other stuff either but I’m not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days you’re gliding along and sometimes you’re sticking like mad.
are af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.
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I haven’t ridden the classics and those are supposed to have the best grind so I’m curious to try them at some point. But I plan to keep my aces on my cruiser board and stick with Indy for my main board.[close]
"best" is subjective. personally I'm not a fan. the softer metal makes you loose more speed while grinding, however it also does make you feel like youre grabbing w/e youre grinding on a bit more, so i did feel like i had some more control of my grinds on coping. I prefer a faster grind, i dont need anything slowing me down, i have a hard enough time going fast enough to look good on a skateboard as is haha.[close]
That makes a lot of sense and haven't seen anyone put it like that. Just that the grind is super "buttery".
I definitely seem to be in the minority but the AF1s just don't grind very well for me. However, I may just still be getting through that break in period and they'll really open up after a couple more sessions.
Expand Quoteare af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.[close]
the bushings still freeze up like other trucks
still grind smooth tho
It's wild to see trucks that worked without a crook groove or nose/tail slide marks on the baseplate. Time to diversify my friend!Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI hit axle in 20 hours of skating on my AF1s. They grind just fine.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48056.msg3564713;topicseen#msg3564713[close]
thats wild. 99% of my wear is slappy too but i've had these for a year and i skate probably 12hrs a week...[close]
Yeah. I did break in rough ass curbs to achieve that. It was quick but I don’t think any other truck would have fared better.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/BNKCQ3v/10651-C40-6-B53-4571-91-F4-852-A85154-FCF.jpg)
I’ve hit axle. 20 hours of skating. A lot of slappies. I don’t notice any difference in the grind with these and the classics. I grind pretty much only unpainted waxed curbs. Durability, I don’t know. I don’t think it’s better than the classics at least. Hard to say if it’s worse either. 🤔
My previous classics I had to retire when the hangers were so ground down that the kingpin nut was ground down so much it just fell off. Seems like that’s gonna happen even sooner with these. Not really sure how to remedy that. I would certainly like to grind all my trucks in half before retiring them.[close]
this post says "I don't notice any diffrence in the grind" which I was referring to[close]
Yeah, I skated mostly unpainted curbs with them back then but after this I haven’t noticed a difference on other stuff either but I’m not that super in control of my skating to really notice small differences like that all so well. It feels like some days the same stuff grinds with the same trucks completely differently. Some days you’re gliding along and sometimes you’re sticking like mad.[close]
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteare af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.[close]
the bushings still freeze up like other trucks
still grind smooth tho[close]
I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quoteare af1s as good in the cold weather as classics? I remember the classics didn't really freeze up in the winter as bad as indys and thunders do. might try the af1s since I haven't been hearing about those pivot cups blowing out in a while.[close]
the bushings still freeze up like other trucks
still grind smooth tho[close]
I disagree, the Ace bushings are essentially weather proof. I had no issues with them this winter.[close]
are you in the upper NE?
cold here hit different
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
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I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?[close]
I've not ridden Ace yet (other than briefly on friends" set ups), but based on what I know about their geometry and what I've experienced, I'm gonna call that bogus. They're definitely not as stable on center as Indy or Venture.[close]
I was actually surprised when I bought my aces that they did feel surprisingly stable on center. Maybe not *better* than Indy and definitely not venture, but it also depends on your set up. My Indy’s are really loose and definitely not as stable at center.
My aces are still basically new so maybe as the bushings wear in it’ll get less stable.
I used to ride wobbly loose indys. Bones medium bushing in them and the kingpin and bolt got so ground down that I couldn’t change the tightness. Ironically it was my best skating I did on that setup and the most fun. Riding aces I don’t run them as loose but I still get the same turn if not better and a much more stable experience. Been enjoying aces recently more than ventures. I think with ventures they are stiffer and more stable but without the absorption of the ace turn.
Expand QuoteI used to ride wobbly loose indys. Bones medium bushing in them and the kingpin and bolt got so ground down that I couldn’t change the tightness. Ironically it was my best skating I did on that setup and the most fun. Riding aces I don’t run them as loose but I still get the same turn if not better and a much more stable experience. Been enjoying aces recently more than ventures. I think with ventures they are stiffer and more stable but without the absorption of the ace turn.[close]
Are you on classics or af1s? Picking up some Ace after skating super loose Indys
So y'all are saying Ace are more stable on center?
On the debate about Ace or Indy being more stable on center, having ridden both, I can report that there is only one true answer: Theeve.
Did some slappies for the first time over the weekend on the new new AF1's and already ripped a pivot cup. I have extra AF1 pivot cups but if this is gonna happen every time I slappy, that's my major complaint thus far on these.
Jack O’Grady officially on Ace
I got a hold of a set of the Riptide AF-1 cups and they're significantly harder than the stock cups. I still don't think AF-1s are for me, but they do make them feel more stable at center ala the classics.
Expand QuoteI got a hold of a set of the Riptide AF-1 cups and they're significantly harder than the stock cups. I still don't think AF-1s are for me, but they do make them feel more stable at center ala the classics.[close]
We must be exclusive. I emailed Tracey about when they'd hit the market and they're having trouble getting the mold right, so they're sending me a set to test for them 8)
Are Classics worth stocking up on? I don’t know if it’s just the shops that I’m around/look at online but it seems like AF1s are definitely the go to choice for shops now. Has Ace ever confirmed that the Classics will still be around for a long time to come?
Been trying to make my AF1s feel good but it just isn’t working. Back to Classic 44s and I want to make sure I can keep skating them.
I’m piss that the pivot cup on my 44” AF1’s ripped at the top edge. It also slightly warped the pivot hole of that baseplate. Chewed the top front truck bushing too. Ended up replacing the top bushing for the 94A Hard. Kept the stock bottom barrel. Supringly made the truck more stable and responsive and still kept the surfy feel. I feel like the stock tops were too soft. The replacement 94A Hard bushings didn’t need breaking in but stabilize the trucks instead.
Expand QuoteAre Classics worth stocking up on? I don’t know if it’s just the shops that I’m around/look at online but it seems like AF1s are definitely the go to choice for shops now. Has Ace ever confirmed that the Classics will still be around for a long time to come?
Been trying to make my AF1s feel good but it just isn’t working. Back to Classic 44s and I want to make sure I can keep skating them.[close]
Ace always said the classics won't go away, my local on the other hand said they're not getting any more classics. Might be their own choice though.
Pretty sure a lot of ace team riders are staying on classics so I think it's unlikely.
Let’s try something.
I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.
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Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)
For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.
A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)
For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.
Does that make sense?
Expand QuoteLet’s try something.
I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)
Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)
For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.
A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)
For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.
Does that make sense?[close]
And which board are ventures ???Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLet’s try something.
I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)
Totally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)
For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.
A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)
For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.
Does that make sense?[close][close]
And which board are ventures ???Expand QuoteTotally agree with this one. One of my friends rides really loose Indies and his board feels like I'm constantly balancing on a rail. Ace trucks are the only trucks that I can ride fairly loose-ish because of the stable center :)Expand QuoteLet’s try something.
I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/files/bg-skate-shaped-boards.1454006749.gif?v=1629992522)
For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.
A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)
For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.
Does that make sense?[close][close]
Let’s try something.
I want to compare the feeling of turn of a truck to the nose of a board. As if you were standing on a 2x4 balanced on the nose of a board.
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For me, a medium to tight Indy feels like the first one. Predicable, round, basic.
A loose Indy feels a bit like #2, very tippy into a deep turn (and wheel bite)
For my, Aces feel closer to a #3, a bit ‘flatter’ or ‘stable’ for the first part of the turn, but then tapers off deep quickly.
Does that make sense?
So i’ve just a new pair of the 44 classics, first break-in session on them today and i noticed the bottom (and sometimes top) bushing was spewing out and over the side of the washer. Is this normal? Ive just put it down to them being so soft. Kept both nuts flush and stock. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
As a first time potential Ace user converting from Indy's, if AF1's are the same price as classics, I should probably just by AF1 right?
Expand QuoteAs a first time potential Ace user converting from Indy's, if AF1's are the same price as classics, I should probably just by AF1 right?[close]
Yeah, they also feel a bit more like an indy. Overall awesome trucks
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.
Expand QuoteHad some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.[close]
When did after market bushings become a thing, when I started skating it sucked but you would just take the 2 weeks break in stock bushings and be good for 3 years.
I always hear "bones are great but they collapse after a few sessions in hot weather"
You boys are at the mercy of Big Bushing break in your stock bushings boys please.
Picking up some Ace next weekend after 10 years on Indy's. I skate metal ledges and coping a lot and I like to groove in my trucks.
Do I get classics or AF1s? Im thinking classics personally because I feel like AF1s will take forever to groove on metal but maybe I'm tripping. Which grinds nicer on metal?
Had some bushing madness and discovered a new one for anyone else that wants to try it. Stock bottom Ace bushing but a bones hard bottom bushing as the top bushing. Nut stays flush as long as you don’t use a top washer. Deep turn with added stability and snap back to center while the wheelbite is reduced significantly.
Picking up some Ace next weekend after 10 years on Indy's. I skate metal ledges and coping a lot and I like to groove in my trucks.
Do I get classics or AF1s? Im thinking classics personally because I feel like AF1s will take forever to groove on metal but maybe I'm tripping. Which grinds nicer on metal?
I'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...
I had pivot cup problems on the first AF1s, they sent replacements and have been fine since. Indy Ti axles slipped and those were also replaced. At least both companies have great customer service.
Expand QuoteI had pivot cup problems on the first AF1s, they sent replacements and have been fine since. Indy Ti axles slipped and those were also replaced. At least both companies have great customer service.[close]
Did they send you a replacement pivot cup bushing or baseplate? Was the issue from the pivot cup bushing or the baseplate? This set was actually from the first batch of AF1’s that came out on release week. Just sat on them up until now.
Expand QuoteI'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...[close]
You’re hooked. You’ll be back. :)
I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...[close]
You’re hooked. You’ll be back. :)
I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.[close]
Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...[close]
You’re hooked. You’ll be back. :)
I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.[close]
Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm about to give up on Ace based on the same type of issue as above. After ripping both an AF1 pivot cup and now the prototype Riptide ones they were kind enough to send me to try out, I'm tired of dealing with a truck that can't handle the abuse all other trucks seem to do just fine at. But god damn I will miss that turn...[close]
You’re hooked. You’ll be back. :)
I get pissed about the pivot cups too -but then I remember all the years of having to tap my axles back to center 3-4 times a session with Indys. Can’t win for trying.[close]
Weird I've been skating Indy for at least 12 years straight and none of my pairs have ever needed a tap back to center. Was that more common prior to Stage 10?
Shame some of you have such bad luck with the pivot cups. Every time I read this thread I check my Aces for cup damage and keep thinking its bound to happen but nope... and I'm a heavy bastard that loves to smash his trucks into things...
I have AF1 55s, 60s and 66s set up at the moment and so far no damage... touch wood...
Expand QuoteShame some of you have such bad luck with the pivot cups. Every time I read this thread I check my Aces for cup damage and keep thinking its bound to happen but nope... and I'm a heavy bastard that loves to smash his trucks into things...
I have AF1 55s, 60s and 66s set up at the moment and so far no damage... touch wood...[close]
Same here, no issues except the occasional clicking on AF1s. I have four sets of Aces atm. I've put some heavy stress on my Classics lately but they just keep going.
my shop just got in these really sick metallic highlighter gold Ace 60s (8.75") hollow kpTactics has hollows in multiple sizes, but they’re lows…
if they made a 55 of this i'd try, i loved my indy hollows
I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.
The 8.25 are too small
The 8.50 are too wide
The 8.35 is just right.
I know someone running 169s on an 8.25
I know someone running 169s on an 8.25
Expand QuoteI think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.
The 8.25 are too small
The 8.50 are too wide
The 8.35 is just right.[close]
44 classics are nice if you swap your boards up between 8.25 and 8.5, I always liked that the felt at home on any setup in that range. Never been a fan of 8.5 trucks on 8.25 boards, idk how so many people like that.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.
The 8.25 are too small
The 8.50 are too wide
The 8.35 is just right.[close]
44 classics are nice if you swap your boards up between 8.25 and 8.5, I always liked that the felt at home on any setup in that range. Never been a fan of 8.5 trucks on 8.25 boards, idk how so many people like that.[close]
I'm actually running 8.63-8.75 deck with them, slight magic carpet but I love this setup!
I can't do 8.25 for some weird mental reason I'm sure everybody in this thread can relate.
I think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.
The 8.25 are too small
The 8.50 are too wide
The 8.35 is just right.
Expand QuoteI think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.
The 8.25 are too small
The 8.50 are too wide
The 8.35 is just right.[close]
44 Classics and the 8.5 AF1 are the exact same hanger width, how are they feeling too wide?
Axel width doesn't impact performance but can look annoying if it is too far off deck width and perhaps be scary for the primo prone.
Expand QuoteI think I'm off the AF1 it's a solid truck but after going back to the Classic 44 it's such a goldilocks size at 8.35
Combined with the soft butter metal I'm stocking up for life.
The 8.25 are too small
The 8.50 are too wide
The 8.35 is just right.[close]
44 Classics and the 8.5 AF1 are the exact same hanger width, how are they feeling too wide?
Hanger width Vs Axle width. Very different thing. Af1 55s vs Classic 44s have a very similar HANGER width.
You will likely never skate a hangers the same width as your deck.
Hanger width Vs Axle width. Very different thing. Af1 55s vs Classic 44s have a very similar HANGER width.
You will likely never skate a hangers the same width as your deck.
I've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.
Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.Expand QuoteI've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.[close]
This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?
Expand QuoteGot a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.Expand QuoteI've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.[close]
This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?[close]
I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.
Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?
Got a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.Expand QuoteI've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.[close]
This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGot a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.Expand QuoteI've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.[close]
This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?[close]
I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.
Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?[close]
I'd say it's a little bit tighter than being flush, this is stock. Maybe I should back em off a turn?
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteGot a small question about the AF1's; what exactly (or atleast your guys experiences with it) is the break in period? Pretty much all new trucks I get I will skate stock and mostly carve for a few hours, break them in and give it a few weeks before deciding on any bushing changes or tweaks to the truck. With the AF1's the info I'd received was that they're very soft/loose at first and firm up over time, so my expectation was I'd be starting out with a fairly loose truck to begin with, and may need to tighten as needed. First skate on em today and it felt the opposite to what I expected, far more stable than I'd anticipated. I'm a pretty light guy (140-145) so to really get them to turn I had to lean into them super hard, basically bordering on wheelbite or even the heel side wheels tipping up off the floor.Expand QuoteI've never ridden a truly loose pair of Indys but to me Ace are stable insofar as I know exactly what they are going to do. I can have just my front foot on the board in the middle of big push, give my ankle a wiggle to tip the board back and forth and feel 100% in control.[close]
This post about the one foot and giving it a wiggle, absolutely none of that really occurred for me and I almost bailed a few times from leaning expecting it to turn, but it stayed solid. Do I just need to put more hours in on them or loosen the nut up a bit?[close]
I'm also 140 and all of my 3 pairs of AF1 have been stupid loose before breaking them in. Like zero resistance into wheelbite and incredible turn. I'd describe it as pretty unstable until the bushings firm up. So what you're experiencing seems really off. I want to say the "break in" only took like 15-30 minutes of carving around but I'm not sure right now.
Are any threads showing above the kingpin nut?[close]
I'd say it's a little bit tighter than being flush, this is stock. Maybe I should back em off a turn?[close]
I’m not at home right now to check, but that top washer looks deeper/more cupped than what I remember, which could make them feel tighter. If you have a washer that’s more flat, give that a go and see if it helps. What you’re describing does seem way off for AF1s.
Hm, good point. I have a bunch of flat washers laying around that I would've put on eventually but I prefer to break in as stock - will throw them on and report back.
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.
Expand QuoteI don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.[close]
do any truck companies have stock tension? seems like some snake oil
I don’t know why people say to run Ace at their “stock” tightness - both pairs of Ace I owned arrived with the nut just sort of threaded to wherever, no symmetry between the trucks. They are not torquing these to spec or counting the threads; someone at the factory is just slapping them together and boxing them up. You should adjust them however you want.I actually had to loosen mine up from "stock" in order to get them to where i liked they.
Don’t know if anyone cares but Tom Penny is setup with aces on his ig story right now. Thought it was kinda cool
My starting point with all new trucks is nut flush. I try them with the nut flush and then get crazy for a day or two with bushings, waxing the pivot, risers, no risers etc... unit I can make them feel good nut flush. Once they feel decent nut flush, the break-in period can commence properly.
For what its worth with AF1s all I did was wax the pivot, and have them slightly tighter than nut-flush perhaps (one thread showing) and they were perfect with stock bushings especially after week or two worth of break in.
That is until my board rolled through a puddle. I've never experienced this before but wet bushings/ pivot cups made the trucks insanely loose. After they dried out they were fine again.
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??
I read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??
Expand QuoteI read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??[close]
I think it just has to do with preferences ( and talking shit like the other person said). I got a pair of AF1s recently after only riding Indy and thunder and it took me a while to get comfortable grinding on them. It did feel a little sticky at first but once I got a bit of groove going it was fine
What are your guys preferences for wheelbase on AF1's, especially those on 8.5's? When I mentioned I was making the switch to Ace's someone told me to be wary of wheelbase but I can't remember who or what the general rule of thumb is. I was skating Venture 5.6s on 8.5's with 14.5 wb's and my flat game was prolly the best it's ever been despite the fact I'd read Venture's pair up better with a shorter wb. On an 8.5 14.5 WB with 44 AF1's atm and my flat has gone to shit though it could also be the fact I jumped to full new setup and I'm still recovering from a fucked ankle so I don't have as much power as I'd like.If you liked ventures on a 14.5, I wouldn’t recommend sizing down. If you’re riding flat decks, maybe consider riding something a little steeper but I’d wait till you’ve acclimated a little to the trucks before changing boards. For me, usually just tweaking my back foot’s position when popping gets me comfortable. I usually come off the tip a little and pop more in the middle of the tail, keeping my foot closer to the pocket.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI read on here somewhere that the first batch of AF-1 (the first year) grinded sticky and the most recent this year grinded smooth. Can someone on this confirm who has had multiple pairs??[close]
I think it just has to do with preferences ( and talking shit like the other person said). I got a pair of AF1s recently after only riding Indy and thunder and it took me a while to get comfortable grinding on them. It did feel a little sticky at first but once I got a bit of groove going it was fine[close]
I had AF1's when they first came out and they 100% grinded like shit. I scooped the newest batch of 44's around beginning of spring/summer this year and they grind like they have ice in the alloy, they are amazing. Something definitely changed.
If you liked ventures on a 14.5, I wouldn’t recommend sizing down. If you’re riding flat decks, maybe consider riding something a little steeper but I’d wait till you’ve acclimated a little to the trucks before changing boards. For me, usually just tweaking my back foot’s position when popping gets me comfortable. I usually come off the tip a little and pop more in the middle of the tail, keeping my foot closer to the pocket.Expand QuoteWhat are your guys preferences for wheelbase on AF1's, especially those on 8.5's? When I mentioned I was making the switch to Ace's someone told me to be wary of wheelbase but I can't remember who or what the general rule of thumb is. I was skating Venture 5.6s on 8.5's with 14.5 wb's and my flat game was prolly the best it's ever been despite the fact I'd read Venture's pair up better with a shorter wb. On an 8.5 14.5 WB with 44 AF1's atm and my flat has gone to shit though it could also be the fact I jumped to full new setup and I'm still recovering from a fucked ankle so I don't have as much power as I'd like.[close]
14.38 wheelbase is a sweet spot I think, for both classics and AF1's. I'm noticing now 14-14.25 has me a little more sketch doing certain stuff.
What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
Expand Quote14.38 wheelbase is a sweet spot I think, for both classics and AF1's. I'm noticing now 14-14.25 has me a little more sketch doing certain stuff.[close]
Agreed. I was on 14.5 for a minute but 14.38 really dialed it in. Side note as someone who said they would never switch from classics, I’m loving the Af1 55s
+1
Expand QuoteWhat's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...[close]
I think these two links cover it best.
https://www.acetrucks.com/faq
https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***
*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...[close]
I think these two links cover it best.
https://www.acetrucks.com/faq
https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***
*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.[close]
Ah thanks for that, submitted! Bit worried as there's a few factors playing into it. One being I'd purchased 44 classics and not AF1 but my local had a stock issue and just swapped them for AF1's instead (nice guys) but technically I only have a receipt for classics, not AF1's. Second, if you skip back a page or two when I initially got my AF1's, they seemed to not be performing as expected, which a user pointed out my top washer seemed deeper/more cupped (maybe defective/wrong size) and after swapping them with flat washers, the truck performed as expected, atleast up until the bushing and pivot cup decided to explode. Even with changing washers, I don't think 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating (coming back off an injury atm) should cause this:
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWhat's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...[close]
I think these two links cover it best.
https://www.acetrucks.com/faq
https://www.acetrucks.com/contact ***
*** They have a specific warranty option in black down below the contact info.[close]
Ah thanks for that, submitted! Bit worried as there's a few factors playing into it. One being I'd purchased 44 classics and not AF1 but my local had a stock issue and just swapped them for AF1's instead (nice guys) but technically I only have a receipt for classics, not AF1's. Second, if you skip back a page or two when I initially got my AF1's, they seemed to not be performing as expected, which a user pointed out my top washer seemed deeper/more cupped (maybe defective/wrong size) and after swapping them with flat washers, the truck performed as expected, atleast up until the bushing and pivot cup decided to explode. Even with changing washers, I don't think 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating (coming back off an injury atm) should cause this:[close]
Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?
I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.
The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.
Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.
What's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...
Expand QuoteWhat's aces RMA process or whatever? I'm not one to ever really complain to a company but I really don't think my front bushing and pivot cup should have blown the fuck out in around 2 weeks of fairly low impact skating...[close]
Seems like this is covered already but I emailed them with a warranty issue and I got super friendly, quick customer service. They asked where I bought the trucks, but never requested a receipt, and a well worn but bent set of Classic 44s were replaced quickly with AF-1 44s, no issue. Much better service than I’ve received more or less anywhere else in the skateboard industry.
ace customer service didn't even reply when i sent them an email regarding bent axles on a pair of aces.
ace customer service didn't even reply when i sent them an email regarding bent axles on a pair of aces.
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Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?
I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.
The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.
Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.[close]
Not exactly sure what you mean by pushed out, here's some better pictures for reference though.
Slappy thing makes sense considering I'm coming back off a rolled ankle and all I've really done for the last week or so is mostly slappy noseslides. Still kinda shitty though considering my Venture's were sliding on the actual pivot cup for the last few weeks of their use and didn't give up the ghost, and these have fucked up within 2 weeks.
update: ace are gonna warranty me another set through my local :)
I just got some brand new AF-1s (the ones with the cool colors), and I've been skating them exclusively, and I do *a lot* of slappy crooks. Every now and then I think to check out the pivot cups and make sure nothing has happened, and thus far everything is great. I honestly have no complaints about these trucks, I think they are absolutely great. I certainly hope that they don't fail, but for now I am operating under the assumption that Ace has sorted out whatever kinks this truck may have had early in its life.
I honestly couldn't be happier with my Ace AF-1 44s. Super solid, a great truck for anyone coming form Independent or looking for a truck with more "character" and carve.
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Is the baseplate pushed out at the pivot cup too, or is that just the picture?
I know others had said there were issues from slappies / crooks with the baseplate being bent before - would probably be the same with the top bushing with the truck on the crooks angle and the washer cutting into the top bushing.
The shop could put in something, if that doesn't come through, as in take them back to the shop and the shop try to sort them out.
Curious to hear if or what happens regardless.[close]
Not exactly sure what you mean by pushed out, here's some better pictures for reference though.
Slappy thing makes sense considering I'm coming back off a rolled ankle and all I've really done for the last week or so is mostly slappy noseslides. Still kinda shitty though considering my Venture's were sliding on the actual pivot cup for the last few weeks of their use and didn't give up the ghost, and these have fucked up within 2 weeks.
update: ace are gonna warranty me another set through my local :)[close]
Great news for you then!
I had seen a number of pivot cup areas on the baseplate had been pushed out by the hanger, so instead of the nice round hole, the pivot cup and hanger were sitting in an oval shaped hole, where the side of the baseplate had been pushed out, as per a number of earlier AF1 warranty claims people had posted earlier in this thread.
Hadn't seen it more recently though, so I was wondering if the shop had these from the first lot that did have all those issues back when they first came out. It seemed like it was most commonly related to slappy crooks, not that the force and truck pinch should ever cause that sort of damage on near new trucks.
Ran my Ace Classics yesterday. Bought them in January 2021 and I have had a session with them here and there after they broke in. Yesterday they felt stiff compared to Indys and had less depth of turn. I have this concrete snakerun thingy in my area and with Indys I can effortlessly flow through the curves and bumps, but with Classics I got wheel lift in a similar line and felt restricted. Also Indys felt way carvier and loose in a mini bowl. The mini bowl was seriously almost unrideable on Classics. In my mind I thought Ace Classics would be the perfect truck for such a purpose. Surprisngly, I did experience more stability with Aces, ollies felt much more solid and controlled than with tippy Indies and instead of riding the bowls I started to enjoy myself on the ledges in the park.
So is this normal or do the bushings stiffen up over time? This screams bushing issues to me, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of what I described can be attributed to the character of the trucks, given that they are lower than Indys. The park is new and I haven't pitted Ace and Indy against each other like that before. It would be so nice if I could experience the stability I did yesterday with Aces, but also have a nice deep turn. I'm quite dumbfounded the Indys outcarved the Aces that badly. Should I look at AF1?
Expand QuoteRan my Ace Classics yesterday. Bought them in January 2021 and I have had a session with them here and there after they broke in. Yesterday they felt stiff compared to Indys and had less depth of turn. I have this concrete snakerun thingy in my area and with Indys I can effortlessly flow through the curves and bumps, but with Classics I got wheel lift in a similar line and felt restricted. Also Indys felt way carvier and loose in a mini bowl. The mini bowl was seriously almost unrideable on Classics. In my mind I thought Ace Classics would be the perfect truck for such a purpose. Surprisngly, I did experience more stability with Aces, ollies felt much more solid and controlled than with tippy Indies and instead of riding the bowls I started to enjoy myself on the ledges in the park.
So is this normal or do the bushings stiffen up over time? This screams bushing issues to me, but I'm just trying to figure out how much of what I described can be attributed to the character of the trucks, given that they are lower than Indys. The park is new and I haven't pitted Ace and Indy against each other like that before. It would be so nice if I could experience the stability I did yesterday with Aces, but also have a nice deep turn. I'm quite dumbfounded the Indys outcarved the Aces that badly. Should I look at AF1?[close]
This is in no way normal for Ace Classics. They turn even better than AF1s. Look into replacing the shit washers Ace Classics sometimes have and if that doesn’t help, get new bushings.
Picked my replacements up today, didn't have the raws in stock which I would've preferred but these will be fine and kinda works out better as the blue/orange baseplate pairs are from the spring drop of AF1's so I know I'm not getting old stock from the first batches of AF1's with the qc/baseplate issues etc. Grabbed a shop tee in collab with dlx too, gonz art.
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Shirt be lookin hella ty-ty, too!Expand QuotePicked my replacements up today, didn't have the raws in stock which I would've preferred but these will be fine and kinda works out better as the blue/orange baseplate pairs are from the spring drop of AF1's so I know I'm not getting old stock from the first batches of AF1's with the qc/baseplate issues etc. Grabbed a shop tee in collab with dlx too, gonz art.
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That's a huge win, they look amazing
Or not.
I have 3 sets of AF1s on the go and have had zero issues with the pivot cups. I ride loose and do lots of slappies. The bushings in one set seemingly broke in differently to the others (didn't harden up) but that's the extent of any issues I have had with AF1s.
I've never encountered a single person who has had a problem with them…Lhotse?
I've had a set of Af1 55s for awhile now that I just can't get right in terms of bushings and looseness. All my other Ace's have settled in great with stock or with Krux bushings. Anyway, I was getting some pretty bad wheel bite on these even with an 1'8" riser (55mm wheels, 8.4 deck), so I bit the bullet and got some Ace hard bushings. I hate the idea of surrendering to hard bushings but first session in and these are great. The turn still feels amazing but they won't hit wheel bite anywhere near as easy. There is a chance they will get a bit too firm for me after they really break in but I'll just swop out the bottoms for the stock bottoms at that point.just wanted to say i love my ace hard bushings. I’ve had the hard bushings in my Af1 55s for a good while now and they still feel great! i highly recommend them
Highly recommended for Ace truck madness tweakage.
+1 on the hard bushings. Feel great for me with nut flush/half a thread barely showing. Aces don't have to be skated loosey goosey, a firm medium can be really nice and they still turn great.
The bit where the hanger meets the axle is a bit tapered, is it chill to not use an inside washer because of that or is it still a bad idea? I'm running these chode wheels right now and want to have them come in a little bit because its hot rod vibes right now
+1 on the hard bushings. Feel great for me with nut flush/half a thread barely showing. Aces don't have to be skated loosey goosey, a firm medium can be really nice and they still turn great.
The bit where the hanger meets the axle is a bit tapered, is it chill to not use an inside washer because of that or is it still a bad idea? I'm running these chode wheels right now and want to have them come in a little bit because its hot rod vibes right now
Hard bushings loose trucks may be the correct answer for all things truck….
At first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.Makes sense to me. Probably shorter top bushing is the best way to go but so far I’ve trimmed kingpin nuts, bushing washers, and axles with a shitty little dremel. I bet it’s pretty quick to knock off a small but meaningful amount real quick with a grinder. I know plenty of people do it. Ace top bushings are kinda tall so putting in a venture, Thunder, Minilogo, krux top should account for the drop in kingpin.
Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?
Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.
I found a good deal on both classics and af1. last year i skateb both 44 classics and 66 af1and I enjoyed both setups alot.
Ive since then switched to less steep kicked boards and indys but I miss ace turning.
Because ive only skated af1 on bigger heavier setups I cant really compare the pop feel fairly between af1 and classics.
Help me decide what to get
Makes sense to me. Probably shorter top bushing is the best way to go but so far I’ve trimmed kingpin nuts, bushing washers, and axles with a shitty little dremel. I bet it’s pretty quick to knock off a small but meaningful amount real quick with a grinder. I know plenty of people do it. Ace top bushings are kinda tall so putting in a venture, Thunder, Minilogo, krux top should account for the drop in kingpin.Expand QuoteAt first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.
Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?
Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.[close]
Right now I have an Ace top on a Venture 5.0 to see how it felt as a cruiser and the kingpin nuts are barely on. I’d estimate you could drop the kingpin by almost the height of the nut with a venture top (which are relatively short) bushing in there and not have to go overboard with cranking down the nut.
Should be good. The bottom bushing isn’t changing so geometry stays the same. You might notice the top washer contacting the hanger on deep turns, possibly limiting your turn a little. Although it might serve to minimize wheelbite, I don’t like how that feels so I find a smaller washer or trim one down. Beyond that, the big difference is the new kingpin clearance.Expand QuoteMakes sense to me. Probably shorter top bushing is the best way to go but so far I’ve trimmed kingpin nuts, bushing washers, and axles with a shitty little dremel. I bet it’s pretty quick to knock off a small but meaningful amount real quick with a grinder. I know plenty of people do it. Ace top bushings are kinda tall so putting in a venture, Thunder, Minilogo, krux top should account for the drop in kingpin.Expand QuoteAt first it didn't bother me too much, but I've been noticing my kingpin catch a lot more lately on back smiths. And often even when I roll away I can hear my kingpin scratching the ledge.
Does anybody have any input or experience on grinding down the kingpin by a thread or two with an angle grinder? I'm running hard bushings, but still have about a half to a full thread showing which might be making the drag worse. Contemplating putting the stock bushings in again, cranking them down and maybe grinding down the kingpin by a solid two or three threads, or maybe using a shorter top bushing?
Trying to not fuck with my trucks too much but this is probably the one thing that is bothering me the most coming from venture highs. Also not a fan of inverted kingpins so would prefer to not go down that route.[close]
Right now I have an Ace top on a Venture 5.0 to see how it felt as a cruiser and the kingpin nuts are barely on. I’d estimate you could drop the kingpin by almost the height of the nut with a venture top (which are relatively short) bushing in there and not have to go overboard with cranking down the nut.[close]
Thanks! Luckily I have a shitload of venture bushings, so that might work out perfectly.
In general what does a shorter top bushing do to the geometry? What differences in turn, response, pinch etc should I expect?
Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.
Anyone else find the Af1s clumsier than classics? It's kind of hard to explain but after riding af1s for over a year and changing back to classics I find classics feeling more responsive, stable and overall a more nimble feeling truck.
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TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?[close]
They feel quite nice. They give a sort of consistent/smooth feeling to your trucks. hard to explain. I notice the difference in feel the most on thunders/ventures.
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Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?[close]
They feel quite nice. They give a sort of consistent/smooth feeling to your trucks. hard to explain. I notice the difference in feel the most on thunders/ventures.[close]
This is my experience as well. If you don't have any issues with your Aces, there's no need to swap out the stock pivot cups tbh, but riptides do make some quality pivot cups if you're interested.
I found a good deal on both classics and af1. last year i skateb both 44 classics and 66 af1and I enjoyed both setups alot.
Ive since then switched to less steep kicked boards and indys but I miss ace turning.
Because ive only skated af1 on bigger heavier setups I cant really compare the pop feel fairly between af1 and classics.
Help me decide what to get
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TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week[close]
Is there any benefit to these other than probably not tearing?
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TL;DR - af1 riptides available next week
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Hell yeah. I love riptides. I swapped some out on my classics and everything just felt better. I’m not going to try and explain it, but it made it feel better than stock.
Currently on Indy cast hollows and the only truck I haven't given too much time to in my madness are AF1. I had the early ones with exploding pivot cups and was mostly riding Thunders and didn't give them a chance. With friends trying and mostly liking them I was curious mostly about the shorter height at the same Indy WB without having the mid inverted kingpins or FH extending the WB.
Is there really major differences if I ride my trucks medium to medium tight? Anything positive I'd really notice?
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someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the classics have a slightly shorter wb than the af1s so that would be contributing to the feeling of being more nimble. its been a few years since i've ridden classics, but the af1 33s i've recently gotten have felt pretty responsive and stable, if not more stable than classics imo. popping switch and fakie didn't feel squirrelly. got some switch flips in, did a nollie bs flip and a rick flip on the 2nd session with the af1s lol
Are they more stable on center? The WB difference looks fairly minuscule so I was more interested/worried about the height difference. I found the Royals were possibly a bit too light feeling.
Most people step on my board and find it med loose to loose so I guess its perspective.
Are they more stable on center? The WB difference looks fairly minuscule so I was more interested/worried about the height difference. I found the Royals were possibly a bit too light feeling.
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I think Ace work great when tightened down just a tad. When I rode indy's i liked the nut looser than flush, however I've found myself tightening my aces down (couple threads showing).
This isn't because they are too squirrely, It's just that the geometry allows for best of both worlds - super stable center when tight but more turn than you'd get from another brand's "loose"
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Not sure about the responsiveness of the turn, but they definitely make the setup feel a lot heavier
Expand QuoteI found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?[close]
Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.
Continuing with the Indy cast vs. AF1, how would you compare the pinch? Any noticeable differences?
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Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?[close]
Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.[close]
Ace trucks have a curve built into them on purpose... Unless you're talking about something else.
For those of you that are getting loud clicking caused by the washers not fitting snugly on the kingpin, here's an easy fix.My ADD brain stopped reading two sentences after this point. I will just take the clicking.Strip the trucks down and wrap some scotch tape around the base of the kingpin, just enough so that the bottom washer can still slide down into position with no play. Put the bottom bushing and hanger back on, then get some teflon tape (must be the thin PTFE tape) and wrap it tightly around the kingpin about 2-3 times, enough to fill the threads. Make sure that you leave the top 5mm or so with no tape so that the nylock and most of the nut still engages directly with the metal of the kingpin. Then slide the top bushing over it and cut another piece of teflon tape around 2 inches long, and wrap it around the kingpin just above the bushing, but scrunched down so that it thickens up and still leaves plenty of threads clear at the top. You just want it to completely fill up the play in the top washer. Put the washer back on, making sure it beds down fully against the top bushing, then replace the nut, and you're done. Works great on my Ace classics, wish I'd thought of this ages ago.
My ADD brain stopped reading two sentences after this point. I will just take the clicking.I was pretty sure that was how it was going to go down. But for every ADD brain that can't get through the wall of text there'll be another ADD brain that can't deal with the clicking.
I was pretty sure that was how it was going to go down. But for every ADD brain that can't get through the wall of text there'll be another ADD brain that can't deal with the clicking.Expand QuoteMy ADD brain stopped reading two sentences after this point. I will just take the clicking.[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros.
Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?[close]
Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.[close]
Ace trucks have a curve built into them on purpose... Unless you're talking about something else.[close]
Ace used to have the "rocker" (curved) hanger but scrapped it. AF1's and classics are straight hangers now.
Am I the only one that hasn’t had any clicking on my af1s? Seems like everyone has it. Am I doing something wrong?
My top bushing has started to bulge out from under the washer the last couple sessions, just when they started to feel really nice. I've got the nut flush but I also weigh 210 so maybe I'm the issue here. I'm sure someone has had this happen and found a solution, but I don't want to scroll through ~180 pages looking for it :-[Flat washer if you don’t mind the slightly surfier feel (why not, you’re already on Aces, after all so you’re clearly not “turning averse”) or alternately, find a couple stock Indy top washers, as they tend to be a little wider.
Does anyone else have an issue with their pair where the tool for the kingpin can easily pop onto the nut for one truck and very difficult for the other?
ok, question needs opinions:
i ride ventures rn but considered aces, since i want a lower truck that doesn't stretch out wheelbase that much. i'm ok with a truck turning more squirrely, i kind of miss that. should i try classics or af-1s?
classics are more like the dims i'm after, but af-1s would probably be less jarring to switch to, since people say they feel more "stable".
i think i read in this thread that af-1s are a tad higher, heavier and extend the wheelbase a tiny bit more, but are more stable. i'd probably get 33s of any of those two. before the ventures i was happily riding indy for more than a decade if that helps as a reference.Expand Quoteok, question needs opinions:
i ride ventures rn but considered aces, since i want a lower truck that doesn't stretch out wheelbase that much. i'm ok with a truck turning more squirrely, i kind of miss that. should i try classics or af-1s?
classics are more like the dims i'm after, but af-1s would probably be less jarring to switch to, since people say they feel more "stable".[close]
What are the dims you're after? Because classics and AF1 come in pretty much the same sizes.
As an example, the 7.75 AF1 has the exact same hanger width as the 7.625 classic. Same for 8.5 AF1 and 8.38 classic. I personally don't think that anyone would be thrown off by the tiny difference in axle width, a variable that doesn't matter at all. But people do convince themselves of all kinds of things here
If you get the AF1 lows and put the 1/16" shock pad underneath, it brings them to like 50.5mm tall and I'm a heavy dude, still turning really good on them with 52mm wheels. Using a harder top bushing tho which is key for reducing the bite and better snap back to center. They shrink the wheelbase more toward the feel of the classics.
i should cop some ace trucks i heard you can also smoke some weed out them bitches
i should cop some ace trucks i heard you can also smoke some weed out them bitchesYou do that & get back to us on how it went.
what’s the word on the 55 lows? yea or nay? honestly anything above 8.25 seems wild for a low truck, guess i’m looking for a nudge either towards 44s or 55s lows if anyone’s got an opinion on it
I ordered Ace hard bushings for my Af1s. Anyone tried mixing the stock bushings with a hard top/bottom bushing?
After being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
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Expand QuoteAfter being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
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Was on Ace for a bit, 44 classics too (with 3 washers inside each wheel so the extra axle was perfect, and it made a 8.5-ish truck which is what I'm riding usually) and I went back to Thunders after having problems with my Aces. I really liked the trucks, I think they were amazing, but the kingpin nut on my back truck would loosen up by itself. I even put krazy glue on the nylock and it held up for a while and then it happened again. Was thinking of trying the 55 AF1 once I'm done with my Thunders (or maybe even before that?) because I really enjoyed my 44s. I just wonder if they also have iffy QC too or if they are solid.
The extra axle you can do the washers like stated above or you can get an old nut that you don’t care about mark where your nut sits with the wheels tightened how you ride them, mark the axle on top of the nut, pull you good nut/wheel off, put old nut on and grind or file the axle to the top of the nut/mark. Use a nut you don’t care about if you go grinder route so you don’t melt the nylock out.
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.
Skated my first set of AF1's (55's) five times, and I've got a weird issue happening: the deck is leaning to my heel side while riding straight.This happens to me with Ace and Indy. It means that either the bushings aren't broken in or the baseplates are not attached to the deck straight. Make sure your baseplates are straight and rotate your bushings 180 degrees.
I don't notice it that much while riding the board normally, but if I ride the board backwards (tail first), it's very obvious (deck is leaning down on my toe side); if I level the deck, it turns.
Everything looks OK, no deck warp, truck bend, etc., that I can see. I guess I will try turning the bushings, different bushings, etc., but just wanted to see if this is some known issue during break-in, or maybe a known defect that happens occasionally.
Where is it warped? Pivot cavity? I've broken plenty from slappies and had many loose kingpins as well. AF1's are the solution but you still might need to find a better pivot cup like the Riptides.
what’s everyone’s pop game like on aces?
got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp
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got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp[close]
They pop fine if you pair with the right board and adjust your technique. Maybe try tighten a lil and move your popping foot closer to the bolts, so deeper in the pocket instead of tip of the tail
Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat’s everyone’s pop game like on aces?
got pretty good pop on indys. picked up some af1s and skated them for a year. the turn is pretty unbeatable but do i really dislike the pop. the pop on em feels limp[close]
They pop fine if you pair with the right board and adjust your technique. Maybe try tighten a lil and move your popping foot closer to the bolts, so deeper in the pocket instead of tip of the tail[close]
This is very solid advice.
The pop isn’t my favorite, so I skate ventures.
Turn on ace is real decent. Real decent.
Just on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps
That’s what I figured. Came from Indy before venture and I was looking for something more in that realm to try. Wanted a low venture but they sizing doesn’t go big enoughExpand QuoteJust on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps[close]
You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
Expand QuoteJust on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps[close]
You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps[close]
You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.[close]
Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps[close]
You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.[close]
Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”[close]
This was my experience with my AF1s. I had multiple sessions where my AF1s just were NOT grinding, and on rub bricked/lacquered curbs too...
Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
Expand QuoteNobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.[close]
If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteJust on a whim ordered 44 Af1 lows. Currently on ventures so I know I’m gonna have to adjust but for the hard bushings so hopefully that helps[close]
You're in for a world of madness, that will eventually land you on indys.[close]
Ngl I am having a hard time breaking in my AF1s - enough that I was getting bucked doing slappys last night - and I thought “fuck man, do I need to just go back to Indy?”
Yeah, I have the absolute newest AF1s and they skate the same. I’m definitely not giving up, gonna push them a lot further before I decide that the grind is total dogshit, but just saying that this was not a problem with my previous Indy standards.
Worst case scenario is that I give them away and buy some cheap 144s over the coming Labor Day sales.
hello Ace friends, im curious as to what sort of wheelbases you guys prefer on Aces? prior to skating Ace I was on Venture 5.8s, skating 8.5's with a wheelbase of 14.5 which to me was ideal and my flip tricks were the most consistent they've been. Moved to Ace 44's, stuck with the 14.5 wb and my tricks went to shit but I figured adjustment period etc. Been over a month now and things are still iffy so I'm thinking maybe drop to a smaller wb, but then I see posts about smaller wb being a bit too squirrely on Ace so I really don't know.
Expand QuoteNobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.[close]
If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.[close]
If the Indys came in blue and orange anodization I would have stuck with them.[close]
Blippy got you huh
Nobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAfter being a pretty constant Thunder guy I finally wanted to try a pair of Aces out.
Picked up the 8.25 44 classics, ridden ’em twice and I’m already having issues.
Right of the bat I can’t believe how far out the axle sticks. I’ve got washers in and they even looked like this with cruiser wheels.
I’ve got the kingpin/nut pretty flush, and halfway thru both sessions my back truck got so loose I could tighten the nut with my hand!? Somehow that shit just keeps loosening up.
Anyone else have either of these issues? I like the height & how they turn, but I’m already thinking about going and getting another pair of Thunders…
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Was on Ace for a bit, 44 classics too (with 3 washers inside each wheel so the extra axle was perfect, and it made a 8.5-ish truck which is what I'm riding usually) and I went back to Thunders after having problems with my Aces. I really liked the trucks, I think they were amazing, but the kingpin nut on my back truck would loosen up by itself. I even put krazy glue on the nylock and it held up for a while and then it happened again. Was thinking of trying the 55 AF1 once I'm done with my Thunders (or maybe even before that?) because I really enjoyed my 44s. I just wonder if they also have iffy QC too or if they are solid.[close]
Wild, sounds like you had the exact same issues that I’m dealing with. And the back truck just kept getting loose? Did you try a different nut on it?Expand QuoteThe extra axle you can do the washers like stated above or you can get an old nut that you don’t care about mark where your nut sits with the wheels tightened how you ride them, mark the axle on top of the nut, pull you good nut/wheel off, put old nut on and grind or file the axle to the top of the nut/mark. Use a nut you don’t care about if you go grinder route so you don’t melt the nylock out.
As for the kingpin loosening, have you tried a different nut? I know Aces QC can be a bit lax. New nut may fix it(or not). Cheap and easy if that’s the case, if not your only out some pocket change.[close]
Haven’t tried a different nut since I’ve only skated them twice. Think I’m gonna give that a go next time out.
I did think about grinding down the axle, just seems like a lot to have to under take for trucks. But I am a bit lazy ha.
Expand Quotehello Ace friends, im curious as to what sort of wheelbases you guys prefer on Aces? prior to skating Ace I was on Venture 5.8s, skating 8.5's with a wheelbase of 14.5 which to me was ideal and my flip tricks were the most consistent they've been. Moved to Ace 44's, stuck with the 14.5 wb and my tricks went to shit but I figured adjustment period etc. Been over a month now and things are still iffy so I'm thinking maybe drop to a smaller wb, but then I see posts about smaller wb being a bit too squirrely on Ace so I really don't know.[close]
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if the deck comes in at 14.5 when you put the ACE 44 on they tighten the wheelbase to about 14.25 axel to axel
Expand QuoteNobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.[close]
God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.[close]
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.[close][close]
I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.
(https://i.ibb.co/pvcMrCK/E7340151-BF32-46-BE-AD3-B-E18843810360.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pvcMrCK)
Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
Expand QuoteLooks like hollow everything is happening soon.[close]
Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLooks like hollow everything is happening soon.[close]
Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?[close]
Which is what?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLooks like hollow everything is happening soon.[close]
Wonder if they will also solve the axle hang out issue?[close]
Which is what?[close]
They stick out too far with normal width wheels.
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God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.[close][close]
I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.[close]
Yeah, I had some 149s with blown out bushings which I replaced with some Ace bushings off of a set of axled and bent Classics and they work great. I don't know if the bushings match height-wise or anything, but frankly I've adjusted to it and it have absolutely no complaints.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/pkgLQuf.jpg)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNobody wants to ride indys. Everybody wants to ride a truck that skates just like indys. I've just submitted at this point.[close]
God this is so true. I've been thinking I'm gonna go back to indys. I've been skating aces all this year and I thought I liked them, but every time I try a homies board with indys it just feels so much sturdier and I really think I'd be more consistent if I switched back.[close][close]
I've been enjoying Indys with Ace low bushings so far. Feels like a decent compromise to me.[close]
Yeah, I had some 149s with blown out bushings which I replaced with some Ace bushings off of a set of axled and bent Classics and they work great. I don't know if the bushings match height-wise or anything, but frankly I've adjusted to it and it have absolutely no complaints.[close]
From what I've heard, Ace standard are slightly taller than Indy bushings (2~5mm or so? Can't remember) And the lows are only 1mm shorter than Indy bushings.
The lows work great but might have sightly too much kingpin uncovered perhaps?
@GardenSkater77 Classics or AF1?
Yep. I get it. I've been on classic 55s recently and I can't get off them. Even though they should be too wide for my purposes and usual tastes, I've been doing my best flip tricks in recent times on them.
FYI, there are super cheap Classic 55s on sale all over the place... (I already have a back up set bc I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued)
(https://i.ibb.co/pvcMrCK/E7340151-BF32-46-BE-AD3-B-E18843810360.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pvcMrCK)
Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.[close]
Can’t believe it took this long to make this happen… now I’m not even sure if I want them anymore.
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?
i dont really want to go any looser than i already feel on indy, so then ace probably doesnt make sense for me and i should probably just stick to indy?
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Looks like hollow everything is happening soon.[close]
Can’t believe it took this long to make this happen… now I’m not even sure if I want them anymore.
i think i have to just try them. i think am going to run the Ace Hard bushings. I just run the standard stock bushings on my indy's and i like it. my friend actually suggested i try the bones Extra Hard bushings, i think he said they were 99a. I actually ride the indy fairly loose like only 1 thread down so maybe i can just tighten it to like 1.5 threads on Ace and go from there. that is the only way to truly know if you liek it better.
I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
I have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go!
Expand QuoteI have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go![close]
I also find Af1s with Ace hard bushings to be the perfect match.
They're stable but turn very well. It seems the hard bushings are little taller than Af1 stock bushings? :o
Did anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?
Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?
On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot
Expand QuoteDid anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?
Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?
On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot[close]
Frank dm'ed them like a man
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDid anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?
Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?
On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot[close]
Frank dm'ed them like a man
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crazy that's pretty much the weight of a standard thunder now
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteDid anyone else see Ace story announcing the AF1 hollows?
Shipping to shops now and sounds like they aren’t going to allow online sales until 9/12?
On my phone at happy hour or else I would screenshot[close]
Frank dm'ed them like a man
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crazy that's pretty much the weight of a standard thunder now
As a weight whore, reading 'each truck is an ounce lighter' doesn't get me excited...now 28.3495 grams...that's more exciting :P
Expand QuoteAs a weight whore, reading 'each truck is an ounce lighter' doesn't get me excited...now 28.3495 grams...that's more exciting :P[close]
Wait a minute, they advertised the AF1 lows as being 33g lighter than standard AF1s. Which wasn't even true, but how are these heavier now?
So what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI have my AF1 55s set with hard bushings and i find the stability to be perfect while still getting a great turn. if you’re considering the switch from indy to ace that’s the route i’d go![close]
I also find Af1s with Ace hard bushings to be the perfect match.
They're stable but turn very well. It seems the hard bushings are little taller than Af1 stock bushings? :o[close]
My friend said he thought that as well. I like the sound of that too tbh
Expand QuoteSo what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.[close]
416g and 431g for standard AF1s, skatedeluxe.com is a great source for that information, they measure and weigh all their stuff.
Anyone got hands on the hollows yet?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo what is the weight on the af1 66 and 77? They don’t seems to have those listed anywhere from my rather cursory googling.[close]
416g and 431g for standard AF1s, skatedeluxe.com is a great source for that information, they measure and weigh all their stuff.[close]
r-fskate.com lists the 66 as 405g, and 77 as 422g.
I just picked up a pair of AF1 66 Hollow Polished.
They weigh 386 grams with washers and without the little red re-threading nuts.
Well, one of them weighs 387g, but yeah, I’m not going to think about that one too hard…back truck? Kidding.
Happy Madness, everyone.
https://boardofmissoula.com/products/ace-af1-hollowDang, are these not coming in 60s, or are they just sold out from this store?
If they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).
SoCal skate shop has em now too, no 60sI think they must’ve sold out already, because I only saw the LOW Hollows when checking.
I just picked up a pair of AF1 66 Hollow Polished.
They weigh 386 grams with washers and without the little red re-threading nuts.
Well, one of them weighs 387g, but yeah, I’m not going to think about that one too hard…back truck? Kidding.
Happy Madness, everyone.
Interested in the hollows
Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?
Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?
I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.
Yup.Expand QuoteInterested in the hollows
Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?
Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?
I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.[close]
Can't speak to the ace hollows, but I'm well into the hollow axle of my indy's and haven't had any issues yet. There's a little divot in the axle where it's collapsed a little bit, but the actual hollow part is so small and the axles is sort of being closed as you grind, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.
Yup.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteInterested in the hollows
Anyone have pics of any hollow axle trucks that have been ground down to the axle?
Does the hollow axle create a situation where the empty space in the trucks will get the hanger stuck on curbs or any grinds?
I slappy a lot and axle trucks pretty quick. Gonna plunge into af1 from classics soon but not sure to go hollow or not.[close]
Can't speak to the ace hollows, but I'm well into the hollow axle of my indy's and haven't had any issues yet. There's a little divot in the axle where it's collapsed a little bit, but the actual hollow part is so small and the axles is sort of being closed as you grind, so it doesn't seem to be a problem.[close]
Once you're into the hollow axle enough to "cut it open," you're likely just a short time away from bending the hanger anyways. I managed to get a set of trucks to that state & it was only a few good sessions later that the axles bent & a hanger cracked.
As for the grinds, I never noticed a problem w/ snagging or hanging up as a result of the axle being opened up.
If they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).
Expand QuoteIf they're not out in 60s, that's me out. I'm not super concerned. I've never tried hollow anything before (except the Krux kingpins).[close]
I’m pretty positive you’ll be able to swap the hollow hangers out just as you were the lows…
Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.
most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.
thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself
and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet
Expand QuoteNow since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.
most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.
thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself
and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet[close]
Hollow axle won't have any effect on the strength of the hanger. I'm sure they're essentially identical. Maybe the axle itself will break sooner than a non-hollow axle, but at that point you're trucks are essentially dead anyway.
A photo of my truck below. It sort of looks like my axle has an axle, there's basically a little ditch in the middle of it. So far, it mostly just collects wax, it doesn't seem to get caught on anything...
(https://i.imgur.com/So4SE0u.jpg)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNow since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled? Don't think i've bent a hanger and have been kinda hoping to snap a hanger to feel badass tho.
most of my trucks grind very down to the axle but my trucks normally fail and are deemed unusable when the axle nut is pretty much worn down on one side, unable to be tightened or loosened, bushings or pivot cup break and can't take the hanger of. still would like to see pics of how a ground down hollow axle looks.
thanks for the responses. I'm sure hollow axles aren't anything to worry about. guess i can just try them myself
and to be clear, the new af1 hollows are the same dimensions as af1 regular right. any slappers take measuring tools to the new trucks yet[close]
Hollow axle won't have any effect on the strength of the hanger. I'm sure they're essentially identical. Maybe the axle itself will break sooner than a non-hollow axle, but at that point you're trucks are essentially dead anyway.
A photo of my truck below. It sort of looks like my axle has an axle, there's basically a little ditch in the middle of it. So far, it mostly just collects wax, it doesn't seem to get caught on anything...
(https://i.imgur.com/So4SE0u.jpg)[close]
Thanks for the pic. Nice eagle. That board always gets me stoked. I’m reluctant to admit an axled truck is dead lol that’s when the truck is well seasoned.
I see what you mean. If it collects wax hardcore it should be fine. Plus I’m sure the metal smears and fills the gap anyway.
Now since the axle is hollow does that make the hanger weaker and prone to snapping once your'e at that point of being so axled?
just got ACE AF1 Size 60. gonna set them up soonbottom cylinder will be a little shorter, thus bringing your wb in a hair.
I got Independent Hard Bushings to go with them, hopefully they fit
Anybody put the low ace bushings in their standard height trucks for a looser ride. Whats the best loose bushings for aces
ok so when i first put them together i was like "man this is way too fucking loose"
cranked it down a bunch of threads til it eventaully sorta felt tight again. wasnt a huge fan , felt like i was fighting it. noticed the gummy was coming out of the cup a bit too. didnt want that. un cranked it back to normal again like 1-2 thread. tried riding it again like this and actually this time it didnt seem that bad. it is very loose, but it felt so much more stable than my indy;s did when they were really loose. i could push really fast and i wasnt wobbling around, it was only turning when i needed it to.
idk if i could skate stairs / drops with it like this, but i think i can do basically everything else. i actually really like the way it turns. the pinch feels absolutely insane. so mcuh better.im not really sure why. it feels like i am going to wheel bite a lot with this but it might not be too bad. i am riding like ~56-57mm wheels rn and i dont wanna set up risers.
do you guys normally ride smaller wheels with these trucks?
i have another board at 8.5" i can do stairs with if i really want to...
ok so when i first put them together i was like "man this is way too fucking loose"
cranked it down a bunch of threads til it eventaully sorta felt tight again. wasnt a huge fan , felt like i was fighting it. noticed the gummy was coming out of the cup a bit too. didnt want that. un cranked it back to normal again like 1-2 thread. tried riding it again like this and actually this time it didnt seem that bad. it is very loose, but it felt so much more stable than my indy;s did when they were really loose. i could push really fast and i wasnt wobbling around, it was only turning when i needed it to.
idk if i could skate stairs / drops with it like this, but i think i can do basically everything else. i actually really like the way it turns. the pinch feels absolutely insane. so mcuh better.im not really sure why. it feels like i am going to wheel bite a lot with this but it might not be too bad. i am riding like ~56-57mm wheels rn and i dont wanna set up risers.
do you guys normally ride smaller wheels with these trucks?
i have another board at 8.5" i can do stairs with if i really want to...
Is this a typo/inaccurate listing, or are there actually low hollows (meaning hollow axle) also?
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/ace-af1-low-hollow-trucks-polished-assorted-sizes-348-7795175162111/
i really didnt notice any difference in weight going from Hollow Indys to Polished Aces. i imagine the indys are lighter though. I cant find hard numbers on what different trucks weigh at the same size.
I feel like i am starting to get really passive aggressive towards indy riders even though i still ride them on my other board
Expand Quotei really didnt notice any difference in weight going from Hollow Indys to Polished Aces. i imagine the indys are lighter though. I cant find hard numbers on what different trucks weigh at the same size.
I feel like i am starting to get really passive aggressive towards indy riders even though i still ride them on my other board[close]
via Tactics:
https://www.tactics.com/ace/af-1-low-hollow-kingpin-skateboard-trucks/polished-silver-60
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https://www.tactics.com/independent/hollow-stage-11-skateboard-trucks/silver-159
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Ace just announced a new size "80" in the comments of this post.
Also inverted kingpin "soonish" and hollow 60s coming soon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciar3COvbCq/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/Ciar3COvbCq/)
The kingpin is loose in the baseplate?
Expand QuoteThe kingpin is loose in the baseplate?[close]
Yes it is
Any euro pals got leads to the new hollows round these parts? did they already drop in EU?
Thanks in advance
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Been running this for awhile after having problems ripping different types of cups and warping the baseplates of AF1's. Stage 7 baseplates with inverted kingpins. Using the stock super hard plastic cups that come in new China Indy's. No issues and the geometry is perfect, the turn feels just as good, if not maybe even better? No issues with the kingpin loosening either. AF1 44 hangers, low top bushings for more clearance.
Expand QuoteThe kingpin is loose in the baseplate?[close]
Yes it is
Any euro pals got leads to the new hollows round these parts? did they already drop in EU?
Thanks in advance
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Been running this for awhile after having problems ripping different types of cups and warping the baseplates of AF1's. Stage 7 baseplates with inverted kingpins. Using the stock super hard plastic cups that come in new China Indy's. No issues and the geometry is perfect, the turn feels just as good, if not maybe even better? No issues with the kingpin loosening either. AF1 44 hangers, low top bushings for more clearance.[close]
My controversial take is that those hard plastic cups function as well or better than any fancy polyurethane ones.
Why ask this instead of just trying them. Squish it, if it's soft it's soft.
Anyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing
Expand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.[close]
Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.
Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.
I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.
How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?
All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
Stock bushings, nuts flush. You just need to ride those bushings, after a while they harden up. Best bushings in the biz imo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.[close]
Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.
Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.
I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.
How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?
All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
Stock bushings, nuts flush. You just need to ride those bushings, after a while they harden up. Best bushings in the biz imo.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.[close]
Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.
Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.
I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.
How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?
All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.[close]
e. What dude above me said.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.[close]
Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.
Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.
I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.
How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?
All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.
best risers for af1s to match indy height?
Expand Quotebest risers for af1s to match indy height?[close]
Ace Risers fit perfectly but will be the tiniest bit higher than a Indy. We're talking 1mm...
Expand Quotebest risers for af1s to match indy height?[close]
Ace Risers fit perfectly but will be the tiniest bit higher than a Indy. We're talking 1mm...
1/16th risers are about 1.5mm 1/8th risers are about 3mm (fractions of a mm more). So a 1/8th riser would put an af1 right about an indy standard height, and a 1/16th riser would put an af1 at an indy forged height.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.[close]
Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.
Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.
I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.
How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?
All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.[close]
The bushings make the turn, man. Put em back on please you're missing out. You'll be able to crank em after a few sessions
Expand Quote1/16th risers are about 1.5mm 1/8th risers are about 3mm (fractions of a mm more). So a 1/8th riser would put an af1 right about an indy standard height, and a 1/16th riser would put an af1 at an indy forged height.[close]
awesome! thank you so much
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.
ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.
ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?
Expand QuoteWas on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.
ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?[close]
Because they click and no one knows why. I haven't been able to find an adequate answer and no matter what I try, they'll just click again every once in a while.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWas on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.
ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?[close]
Because they click and no one knows why. I haven't been able to find an adequate answer and no matter what I try, they'll just click again every once in a while.[close]
Pretty sure the clicking has been identified as the bushing spilling over, or the washer itself moving from side to side
Was on my classics all summer and just switched back to my AF1.
ACE bros why is my truck suddenly clicking. Is it because I have them significantly looser and the washer catches?
Hey,
I looked around in the thread but still wasnt sure what was the best option if my classic 55's front truck kingpin is starting to get loose. Is it because its broken or that even if I switch it to another one the kingpin hole is already hole-out so it wont change anything? Thanks!
Hey,
I looked around in the thread but still wasnt sure what was the best option if my classic 55's front truck kingpin is starting to get loose. Is it because its broken or that even if I switch it to another one the kingpin hole is already hole-out so it wont change anything? Thanks!
I think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.
Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.
I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.
Anyone here put an inverted kingpin into an AF1?
Any tips? I hear the kingpin can be a bitch to get out.
And do you prep the inside of the baseplate for the steel epoxy?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAnyone know when Ace switched to the 86a bottom bushings in the classics? Bought some 33s a few months ago but haven't set them up. Not sure how long they've been in the shop so I'm just wondering if they might have the old Ace bushings. Just wondering because I really want to skate the 86a bottom bushing[close]
Haven’t the classics always had 86a barrel bottoms and 91a conical tops? Dual Duro bushins. ”loose trucks save lives” and all that.
All of the Classics I had came with softer barrels and harder cones. They do sell 94a Hard bushing sets.[close]
Does anyone actually skate the stock Ace bushings? They're so squishy.
Got my first set of AF1's recently coming off of independents with std 90 duro orange bushings. Holy wheelbite batman and that was just standing on the board. I've never gotten wheelbite before. Every set of Indy's I've had I could lift the off side wheels with no bite.
I tried cranking the Aces down but it didn't help enough so I swapped in some 92 duro independent bushings.
How do people ride 86 duro bushings? How many threads showing before there skateable?
All that aside I think I'm going to like how these turn once I get the bushings set up like I like them. They turn so much further than my Indy's.[close]
The bushings make the turn, man. Put em back on please you're missing out. You'll be able to crank em after a few sessions[close]
Stock bushings is comparable to sex. Cant really do much with it when it soft and squishy but tease it alittle and give it time to get comfortable/gain some confidence and that thing will harden up and give you the best ride of your life.
I use natural bar soap dissolved in water to lubricate pivot cups/bushings. There is just too much grit in Arizona for exposed grease.Expand QuoteI think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.
Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.
I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.[close]
I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.
I use natural bar soap dissolved in water to lubricate pivot cups/bushings. There is just too much grit in Arizona for exposed grease.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.
Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.
I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.[close]
I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.[close]
I do grease bearing seats and bearings. Lithium in the wheel/bearing seat and high pressure molly packing the bearings.
sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)
Expand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces
Expand QuoteExpand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces[close]
thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
Expand QuoteI use natural bar soap dissolved in water to lubricate pivot cups/bushings. There is just too much grit in Arizona for exposed grease.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI think the click comes from hard tight fitting washers (kingpin hardness/dimensions could factor in). I would bet its the top/roadside washer clicking on the threads.
Indy washers by my measure have a larger hole and seem softer than ace.
I use flat washers top and bottom in my AF1's and the repurposed Bones washers (also hard metal w/small hole) click a tiny bit once and awhile.[close]
I immediately swapped out the stock AF1 washers with some of those sleeve longboard washers and the clicking happened just as it did with my bone stock Classics. I eventually took them apart, cleaned them up, and applied an extremely thin layer of waterproof grease. This made the clicking go away, though I expect the grease will eventually wear out and need replacing.[close]
I do grease bearing seats and bearings. Lithium in the wheel/bearing seat and high pressure molly packing the bearings.[close]
motor oil is your friend. Dip a qtip or dab a paper towel in some, allows you to put a very light coat wherever needed. Motor oil holds up a lot better over time too.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces[close]
thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out
Tom Penny riding Ace ?
sorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg?v=1627583143)
Expand QuoteTom Penny riding Ace ?[close]
Looks that way
yep he has a new ad for them and youcan tell he is legit riding them cause of the white bushing (its just re used footage from the es commercial)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci-NDQnAJYG/
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces[close]
thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out[close]
If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.
That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.
Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.
Why not order the Ace risers which is designed to fit the TruckThey fit classics perfectly, but not the AF1s
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces[close]
thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out[close]
If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.
That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.
Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.[close]
The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.
Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.
They fit classics perfectly, but not the AF1sExpand QuoteWhy not order the Ace risers which is designed to fit the Truck[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces[close]
thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out[close]
If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.
That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.
Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.[close]
The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.
Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.[close]
Concerning the riser that's slightly shorter than the baseplate, isn't that what you want though? So you don't stick on nose and tailslides. Riser-bite is deadly.
Edit: talking bout soft risers, hard ones might slide better actually?
They fit classics perfectly, but not the AF1sExpand QuoteWhy not order the Ace risers which is designed to fit the Truck[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotesorry back again with the riser question. my local only got these. would they fit the af1?
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0149/1971/products/IndependentShockPads_1024x1024.jpg[close]
If I remember correctly the independent ones don’t line up, it ends up being staggered. I had a pair from Pig and another pair from Vision that both worked with Aces[close]
thanks for the looks. saw some pigs and a shake junt at some other shop i might scope out[close]
If they are the rubber ones, you can cut them to size as the ones I had were way larger than any baseplate, so I trimmed them down, either with a blade when mounted on an old / unwanted board under the required trucks or scissors.
That way they can fit whatever truck you need, including cutting between the two double holes and lengthening out the single holes to fit Thunder easily enough as well.
Just a thought for you, as that worked really well for boards I had set up.[close]
The problem with the Independent ones is that they end up being staggered. The baseplate extends past the riser on one side and the riser extends past the baseplate on the other side. Cutting to size isn’t really an option since the riser needs to be longer on one side.
Side note, the Independent risers don’t even fit Independent trucks that well. They’re slightly smaller than the baseplate so the truck slightly hangs over the riser. It doesn’t affect the ride, but it still bothers me when I setup a new deck.
For those who have changed to the Ace hard bushings, how different of a ride is it?
I am almost content with the stock ones but I have them cranked down quite a bit.
Expand QuoteFor those who have changed to the Ace hard bushings, how different of a ride is it?
I am almost content with the stock ones but I have them cranked down quite a bit.[close]
For me at 165ish pounds. The difference wasn't extreme. Noticeable, and better imo. But if you have the kingpin but flush they would still be loose and surfy. I have like 1 1/2 threads showing on my af1s with the hard bushings in them.
If you're looking for something slightly stiffer, I'd recommend. If you're looking for something drastically more hard, these ain't it.
Finally Ace have broken down sizes and weights properly in a chart
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart (https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart)
Af1s
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Af1 Hollows
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Classics
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I'm telling you right now.
The Classics are 52mm tall
Blows my mind how Ace have gotten this far and still cannot measure their trucks right.
Or... us nerds on here, could stop obsessing over a mm or two and just work on grinding down to axle.
Or... us nerds on here, could stop obsessing over a mm or two and just work on grinding down to axle.
What could it possibly mean to release inaccurate data as statistics and promotion?
I would have to view Ace as an abusive partner in a relationship. They have something to offer enough to lure me and keep me there. However I can not trust Ace to treat me as they would want to be treated. I am sure Ace desires all those they do business with to provide them accurate information.
Now one can never say for sure when anything new drops if Ace is lying or not. Which is kinda how the ruling class operates which I am not a fan of.
My kingpin bolts are flush with the kingpin (nylock on threads) but the bolt keeps shifting half a turn loose after a couple of long sessions. Going to get some locktite but red or blue for this application?
My kingpin bolts are flush with the kingpin (nylock on threads) but the bolt keeps shifting half a turn loose after a couple of long sessions. Going to get some locktite but red or blue for this application?
I have four sets of AF1 66's. Three raw and one gold.
Gold ones were purchased spring 2021 from Skatewarehouse and it seems the baseplates have tooling marks left by the drill making the pivot cup hole.
I have already popped cups out and very gently sanded with 220.
Should I:
Ride them as is when ready? or.....
Pour some epoxy into the hole and resettle the pivot cups? or.....
Try to find a way to access a receipt and contact Ace (pretty sure I burned it and junked the email)?
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?
How would you guys define ACE trucks?
Good/bad things about them?
How would you guys define ACE trucks?Ace has more turn than most if not all popular traditional kingpin trucks.
Good/bad things about them?
Thank you, I'll email them.Expand QuoteI have four sets of AF1 66's. Three raw and one gold.
Gold ones were purchased spring 2021 from Skatewarehouse and it seems the baseplates have tooling marks left by the drill making the pivot cup hole.
I have already popped cups out and very gently sanded with 220.
Should I:
Ride them as is when ready? or.....
Pour some epoxy into the hole and resettle the pivot cups? or.....
Try to find a way to access a receipt and contact Ace (pretty sure I burned it and junked the email)?[close]
I had this happen on my AF1 55's. I sent a pic to ACE through their website and they took care of me. I just told them which shop I got them from and my address. Definitely a lifer because they took care of me.
author=FrankRizzo link=topic=48056.msg3877936#msg3877936 date=1665362416]
My personal con with AF1 is all the nuts that come with it are trash. Swapping them out is the first thing I do. The nuts at a hardware store are much better at staying in place.
Having the axle nuts look like a die solves nothing IMO. The metal is too soft to cut any threads and the reduced thread on thread contact has them loosing up quickly. Gimmicky BS. The kingpin nut is not much better. Super soft and the nylock used sucks.
cyrus riding aces now? he was in that latest limo vid
Expand Quotecyrus riding aces now? he was in that latest limo vid[close]
I believe he had an ad for them. They definitely posted him.
I was looking around the thread due to my 44 classics kingpins on both trucks becoming really loose recently, is there anything I can do in regards to warranty etc in Europe so I can do something about it?, I know ace has a decent warranty etc but I’m not sure if that would be applicable in Europe?, any thoughts? Thanks.
Expand QuoteI was looking around the thread due to my 44 classics kingpins on both trucks becoming really loose recently, is there anything I can do in regards to warranty etc in Europe so I can do something about it?, I know ace has a decent warranty etc but I’m not sure if that would be applicable in Europe?, any thoughts? Thanks.[close]
Their service is just as great in europe, just fill out the warranty stuff on their website.
On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.
I find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.
what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.Expand QuoteI find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.[close]
Hello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.
Expand QuoteHello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.[close]
ace hit me back within a day or two, had a replacement set at my local shop a couple days after, nothing but good things to say about their rma process especially when theyre US based whereas I'm in the UK and got a pretty quick turnaround on it all
Hello, I was wondering how long does it take ace to get back to you after submitting something for warranty as it’s been a week now.
best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?Expand Quotewhat size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.Expand QuoteI find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.[close][close]
56mm and 1/8 risers.
best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.Expand QuoteI find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.[close][close]
56mm and 1/8 risers.[close]
what size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.Expand QuoteI find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.[close]
On my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.
Expand QuoteOn my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.[close]
Just to clarify I actually meant my nuts not the actual kingpin bolt. Don't want to scare anyone off from classics
best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.Expand QuoteI find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.[close][close]
56mm and 1/8 risers.[close]
best riser? i know they make their own but pretty sure only shock pads right?Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat size wheels do you use? im using classic 44 with 57mm and its... okay... might try risers.Expand QuoteI find I don’t get all that good a pop with ace with no risers. Risers get it to almost acceptable.[close][close]
56mm and 1/8 risers.[close]
Expand QuoteOn my first set of classics and the kingpin bolt will shift around on its own during a session. I marked the bolts when they were stock. After a session one loosens up half a turn and the other tightens up a quarter. Anyone else experienced this? Keeps happening.[close]
Just to clarify I actually meant my nuts not the actual kingpin bolt. Don't want to scare anyone off from classics
I'm sure it's in here but there are a hell of a lot of pages to run back through.
I skate 8.38/8.5 occasionally a polar shape so like 8.6/8.7.
Should I get Ace 44 or 55s? Classics not AF1s.
I'm sure it's in here but there are a hell of a lot of pages to run back through.
I skate 8.38/8.5 occasionally a polar shape so like 8.6/8.7.
Should I get Ace 44 or 55s? Classics not AF1s.
I'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).
No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.
I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.
Expand QuoteI'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).
No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.
I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.[close]
I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.
Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).
No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.
I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.[close]
I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.
Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.[close]
I replaced mine with normal nuts on day 1 before they were even skated. They just seemed gimmicky to me.
Nah, those af nuts are still nuts, they just have this gimmick that everytime you screw them it works kinda like rethreader. I agree those aren’t good, seen two homies lose them on first session, swap them to regular ones and you’re good to go. Red one is rethreader(https://www.murasaki.jp/client_info/MURASAKI/itemimage/210113jjaf1low_2.jpg)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm finally getting the issue with the axle nuts coming loose on a pair of 44 AF1s I got back in March. I can tighten them all the way with my fingers. They've been put to use though, I recently hit axle on my front truck (slappy crooks for days).
No issues with the 55 Hollow AF1s I recently got, but sure they'll get there with more use.
I think just replacing the axle nuts on my 44s should sort it out though.[close]
I haven't tried but I was thinking more of keeping them as rethreaders if the axle ends need cleaning up.
Normal nuts still work fine on them, which someone had already swapped out on the couple of sets I have - used / recycled.[close]
I replaced mine with normal nuts on day 1 before they were even skated. They just seemed gimmicky to me.[close]
If I'm reading this correctly are you bros saying your using the red axle rethreader as nuts to hold your wheels on?
Those are not going to hold the wheel on as they are Rethreaders.
So af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?
An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.
Sweet. In the next few months or if anything goes on sale this month I’m gonna grab some af1’s. Have a solid quiver rn and I love switching to a different board at the end of a sesh to have some fun.
I guess the question is just which AF1 size is closest to a 149.
So af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?
An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.
Expand QuoteSo af1 hollows - the 44 for an 8.25-8.5 board? Or would the 55s be better suited?
An old pair of classics I had were a 44, but I know the sizing on the new AF1’s are a bit different. Grinded those baby’s down to the axle and eventually snapped the hanger a few years back. Such an interesting truck, with the sucked in wb and all.[close]
Hager on a af1 55 has the same size as on a classic 44 = 146mm. Af1 55 axle seems to be flush with 8.4-8.5 decks.
I should check the set of Classic 44 and AF1 55s here, but I think the AF1 55s are a little longer in both axle and hanger.
About a mm or two difference on these two sets when compared them, so not much.
Still other differences between the two versions of the trucks though, including geometry, height and price - AF1 both higher and more expensive.
I didn't get the first AF-1s that shipped, so maybe they fixed the problems, but the 44s I'm on now have been more or less the only truck I've skated since the beginning of summer and they have been great. No complaints at all.
If the classics were more durable I'd still be skating those version 44's for life but after bending axles so many times and breaking the baseplates from slappies, I sleep better knowing my AF1's dont have those problems.
The AF1s are excellent trucks. The classics are a bit more special with their slightly easier turn, tighter wheelbase and softer metal but really the difference is very small between them. I’m most likely gonna skate only AF1s after all my classics are done. Skating AF1 55s now and I don’t think about the trucks at all when skating, they’re that good for me.
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knowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardwareExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/ClHDeEKpYBR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=[close]
I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.
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Also why would they use a full size nut on a hollow bolt? If one of the main goals here is reduced weight, go with those skinny nuts that Shorty's uses.knowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardwareExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/ClHDeEKpYBR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=[close]
I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.[close]
Also why would they use a full size nut on a hollow bolt? If one of the main goals here is reduced weight, go with those skinny nuts that Shorty's uses.Expand Quoteknowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardwareExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/ClHDeEKpYBR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=[close]
I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.[close][close]
Raw 44 classics were out of stock at distros for quite a bit and they just hit, checked em out at the local and we were talking about how they look a bit different in the casting, really grainy and extra shiny. One of the long-time employees at the nearby distro was saying something about how they switched factories to Taiwan I think? Take it with a grain of salt.
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??
Could it possibly need the thicker nut to putt the hardware thru the wood? Don't think it would make much difference at all but maybe. Maybe the heads have to be bigger for the ridges to dig in more, altho I used to have randoms and don't remember them being big. Don't think it needs an Allen key slot tho. A cool point of difference could of been just a round hole in topExpand QuoteAlso why would they use a full size nut on a hollow bolt? If one of the main goals here is reduced weight, go with those skinny nuts that Shorty's uses.Expand Quoteknowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardwareExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/ClHDeEKpYBR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=[close]
I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.[close][close][close]
Yeah. Again not the most sensible solution. I once bought Ace hardware. The heads of the bolts are huge, like plates. Never buying those again. Shorty’s and Thunder are great with small heads.
Could it possibly need the thicker nut to putt the hardware thru the wood? Don't think it would make much difference at all but maybe. Maybe the heads have to be bigger for the ridges to dig in more, altho I used to have randoms and don't remember them being big. Don't think it needs an Allen key slot tho. A cool point of difference could of been just a round hole in topExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAlso why would they use a full size nut on a hollow bolt? If one of the main goals here is reduced weight, go with those skinny nuts that Shorty's uses.Expand Quoteknowing ace, they probably weigh more than regular hardwareExpand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/ClHDeEKpYBR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=[close]
I like this idea if it actually enables not having to use a screwdriver/allen key with little to no extra effort. Simplicity is nice, but i don't see the point in hollow bolts. people break hardware as is, no need to weaken it for weight savings that will not even be noticeable.[close][close][close]
Yeah. Again not the most sensible solution. I once bought Ace hardware. The heads of the bolts are huge, like plates. Never buying those again. Shorty’s and Thunder are great with small heads.[close]
(https://i.imgur.com/eM54mcg.jpg)I can see why lurpivs were so tall. Damn he really does not want wheelbite. The wheels don't even look that big.
He’s one of us again
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He’s one of us again
Skating af1 44 on 8.38 board.... Will it be bad? Would 55 be better??
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He’s one of us again[close]
Thought this was && for a second
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This surpasses gear madness.
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He’s one of us again
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He’s one of us again[close]
I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now
From the comments of the hollow bolts post, when asked about mag baseplates:
"mags are tough but, we got some tougher stuff in the works. ✔️"
Diamond baseplates 100% confirmed
Could explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/eM54mcg.jpg)
He’s one of us again[close]
I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now[close]
They would be stupid not to.
But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol
I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.
Could explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/eM54mcg.jpg)
He’s one of us again[close]
I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now[close]
They would be stupid not to.
But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol
I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.[close]
Filip and Karsten seem to be still running Lurpivs. Vincent had lurpivs in 1 clip in the new Jante videoCould explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/eM54mcg.jpg)
He’s one of us again[close]
I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now[close]
They would be stupid not to.
But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol
I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.[close]
Filip and Karsten seem to be still running Lurpivs. Vincent had lurpivs in 1 clip in the new Jante videoExpand QuoteCould explain the tall risers. Just trying to keep the lurpiv feeling until he's back on them.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/eM54mcg.jpg)
He’s one of us again[close]
I wonder if Ace took him back or if he’s buying them now[close]
They would be stupid not to.
But theres a chance he is working on lurpiv in the background, so he could just be buying ACE's in the meantime. Would be some pretty sick free advertising for them lol
I feel like an ACE sticker on his board would basically confirm he is back on or getting them for free at least.[close][close]
Hmmm… Come to think of it, I’ve never seen them in the same room together.Expand QuoteExpand Quote(https://i.imgur.com/eM54mcg.jpg)
He’s one of us again[close]
Thought this was && for a second[close]
yep scrolled down, scrolled back up for the same reason
i'm also anxiously awaiting the hollow 60s. I left a comment on one of their recent ig posts asking for an ETA but they didn't respondFor anyone else looking, the AF1 hollow 60s are now in stock at the Ace webstore so that means they should hopefully be rolling out to shops soon
are the hollows a different height on Aces to the standards ?
my friend was saying that on Indys the hollows are a bit lower than the standard ones, and thunder also has different heights too.
are the hollows a different height on Aces to the standards ?
my friend was saying that on Indys the hollows are a bit lower than the standard ones, and thunder also has different heights too.
Decided to get the lows and hated how they felt compared to my standard AF1s. Hadn't skated hollow kingpins maybe ever and my setup felt like a toy or something...sounded weird. Put my old baseplates together with the new hangers and now I have some weird hybrid and the geometry feels off — manuals feel bad. Probably just gonna grab a new set of AF1s and maybe some hard bushings...been liking the squirrelly-ness but feel like my skating could benefit from a little more strutured feel
I bought some 66 af1's and the bearings wouldn't fit on the axle at first. Like, it went right on and past all the threads then stopped short and stuck at the smooth part of the axle. Dude at the shop said "oh this happens all the time" and banged em on. I have never seen anything like that before, however I don't really buy new trucks for years at a time. Anyone else ever had an axle that seemed like mm too thick until you beat it into submission?
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He’s one of us again
I think I read somewhere that Ace Axles are actually intentionally a little thicker. Makes the bearings perform better and axles stronger.
@Mbrimson88 they were reds! Everything new, too. I was so puzzled, especially since it was only on the right side of the axle on the front truck... all of the others were just fine. I wish I would've taken a picture, none of the bearings were sliding on until the guy hit it. He seated the bearings into the wheel with a press, put the wheel on as far as it could go without force, then literally smacked it with a rubber mallet like 3 times and voila.
It definitely wasn't the bearings or how they were seated, because they individually would not slide onto the axle (none of them in the pack would). I don't typically use a bearing press to put them in my wheels, I just slide em on the axle and press the wheel down into them, which was what I was trying to do but they just wouldn't slide on in the first place. The shop dude seated em with the press so that he could commence the bangin' lol.
When i was messing with it, it felt like either the axle was slightly bent and that was preventing then from sliding all the way on, or like it wasn't machined down enough to allow it to slide on... either way, I'm glad it worked out too because the setup is the best I've ever had. Af1's skate really great when they're brand new, and the dane 1 lived up to the hype I've read about it here for sure
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying. I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control. I never had this problem with indys at all.
Any body have a similar experience or solutions? I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying. I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control. I never had this problem with indys at all.
Any body have a similar experience or solutions? I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids
I read that ace got rid of the curved/rocker hanger but I just got some 44 lows and it feels like the hanger is so convexed that my truck will always slide until the wheel hits the coping and it’s super annoying. I’m sliding all over the coping during grinds until my wheels lock on both trucks and it feels out of control. I never had this problem with indys at all.
Any body have a similar experience or solutions? I like the height and the turn, but I might just go to a park that has a raw non coped quarter and slash the shit out of the center of the trucks or just buy some hollow forged mids
Has anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.
My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.
Has anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.
My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.
Expand QuoteHas anybody else noticed changes to the AF1s since they were released? I had a set that I bought right when they were released. They were good trucks but the grind felt sticky, especially on metal coping. I ended up going back to Independent because the grind bothered me so much.
My Indys were ready to be replaced, so I got another set of AF1s last week. This set grinds so much better than the first set that I had. Maybe it’s in my head, but the metal feels more like the classics. Maybe I just got a bad set the first time? Either way, I’m pretty happy with this set now.[close]
This same thing happened to me, I hated the AF1's when they came out. I bought a couple sets in different sizes and they stuck immediately especially on metal coping. Then I decided to give them one more try and bought some AF1 44's awhile after they were on the market, and am still skating them. They're nearing axle and they've grinded like ice coated with butter their entire life. I personally believe they did in fact change something in the alloy to make them grind better, but I doubt they'd admit it. It's all anecdotal though. Some said theirs grinded better than the classics right when they hit the market so who really knows. They had a more vintage dull look to them when they first hit the scene, but then they started looking more polished and shinier especially now when you look at the new hollows. So that kinda reinforced my personal belief something changed.
Probably a dumb performance question but anyone here hotrodded an 8.5 on some classic 55s? Is it too fucked, or is it more than adequate? How did normal flip tricks, grinds and the like feel?
Done the old Indy 149s on an 8.25 and didn’t notice a thing but just wanted to see if the slappers had gone the full half inch with the premier skateboard truck before as I know classic 44s were the most minuscule under 8.38 and that seems to bug heads.
I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.
I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.
I know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.There’s a clip in the Deedz HVVS Raw Files edit on the Thrasher®️ website where he loses a wheel on the approach to a trick.
There’s a clip in the Deedz HVVS Raw Files edit on the Thrasher®️ website where he loses a wheel on the approach to a trick.Expand QuoteI know I'm not the first to experience it and I know they would warranty them. But has anyone come up with a solution for the axle nut being able to be hand tightened/loosened? This set has some great grooves going and I really don't want to set up new trucks, at the same time I don't want my wheel flying off mid session.[close]
Got me wondering if this is a larger problem than just a few of us nerds on here.
I keep thinking Ace just gotta know about this issue, and have plans to fix it once their current stock of axle nuts is depleted.
Fingers crossed that “self loosening” nuts are no longer a feature of the product line by the time I pick up my next set.
Thanks for the god-level turning, regardless.
Inverted kingpin most likely in the not so distant future:
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Expand QuoteProbably a dumb performance question but anyone here hotrodded an 8.5 on some classic 55s? Is it too fucked, or is it more than adequate? How did normal flip tricks, grinds and the like feel?
Done the old Indy 149s on an 8.25 and didn’t notice a thing but just wanted to see if the slappers had gone the full half inch with the premier skateboard truck before as I know classic 44s were the most minuscule under 8.38 and that seems to bug heads.[close]
Legend, thanks!
How do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows
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What kind of answer are you expecting here? They feel like flip tricks. Pretty nice if you stomp it bolts
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What kind of answer are you expecting here? They feel like flip tricks. Pretty nice if you stomp it bolts[close]
Heard some people mention aces make their flips feel soggy and others say they dont notice anything
How do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollowsI'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.
I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
Expand QuoteI'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.[close]
If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster
I'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperatingExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.[close]
If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster[close]
Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.
Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.
I'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperatingExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.[close]
If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster[close]
Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.
Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.[close]
And I’m on 50mm lil smokies! Haha. I figure if I don’t like the added height of the new hollows I can just swap the hollow hanger onto the low baseplate and voila, just saved myself some ounces and kept the same geometryExpand QuoteI'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperatingExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.[close]
If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster[close]
Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.
Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.[close][close]
yea, he def noticed that as well and ordered some smaller wheels than what he was riding previously.
And I’m on 50mm lil smokies! Haha. I figure if I don’t like the added height of the new hollows I can just swap the hollow hanger onto the low baseplate and voila, just saved myself some ounces and kept the same geometryExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm also a convert from the classics to the AF1 Lows and love them, but the wheelbite is real. Just got a set of the AF1 Hollows so I'm eager to see how they feel but the weather isn't cooperatingExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.[close]
If you’re worried about being able to get tech I suggest the lows, same surfy feel but quicker pop and you don’t feel like your trying a trick on a high wire, been skating them for about 6 months now, prolly gonna get a hollow hanger so I can switch out the one I’m using now, that’s one thing I have noticed is that ace seems to use a softer metal than venture or what I was used to, I feel like I’m going through truck hangers faster[close]
Classics are softer than the AF1's just so you know.
Had a buddy (older street oriented skater) swap from the highs to the lows recently, he loves them.[close][close]
yea, he def noticed that as well and ordered some smaller wheels than what he was riding previously.[close]
I'm used to really turny trucks, but I still felt that Aces made most flip tricks slightly harder. I loved riding them, but slowly realized that setting up for tricks and getting the right takeoff felt a bit off and I wasn't getting used to it. They also don't pinch very good.Expand QuoteHow do flip tricks feel on aces tempted to try out some hollows[close]
I've read several tech skaters having a similar experience with Ace. They're a fucking blast to ride and make everything feel fun to pull off, but eventually you have to admit that you don't skate as well on them.
Any ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?
Expand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.[close]
Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.[close]
Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.[close]
I run 1/8" risers on my setups with Aces. I feel like they need them to suit my preferences, mostly a pop feel thing. But the added height helps you get the most out of the turn too.
I prefer the rubber risers and i tighten them a good bit so they compress a little.
Gives me closer to an indy standard height, which is what my regular board is. Aces on the cruisers.
Well guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks!
Expand QuoteWell guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks![close]
Haha. Kinda right?! It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.[close]
Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteWell guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks![close]
Haha. Kinda right?! It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂[close]
Daaaaaamn, that’s ruthless! 😀
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteWell guys, I’ve decided to put the risers on. This setup finally cured my madness. Just a month later than I wanted, but it was worth it. See ya at the setup thread🫡. Thanks![close]
Haha. Kinda right?! It kinda filled that need of an Indy but an ace. Well till those stage 4s come out so I’ll see you in the gear madness thread. 😂[close]
Daaaaaamn, that’s ruthless! 😀[close]
Haha. Sorry. I don’t mean it like that. I shouldn’t project my ocd to other people on the internet. 😂
I mean i do like them with risers and if it stays good I probably won’t change. 🤷♂️
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
It’s definitely worth a try if you feel like it might be interesting. Risers are cheap and it’s not much trouble installing them. I like the Real wooden 3 ply risers best myself. I haven’t tested the Ace risers though.[close]
Actually, I did use the Ace ones before, when my 56mm Conical wides were fresh, but now they are like 53mm and honestly I can’t remember if I liked it or not. I’m mainly worried about the truck geometry tho.[close]
The geometry won’t change with the risers. You can just get more turn before you wheelbite, no matter what size wheels you have. I think it’s just perfect.
New Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.
Expand QuoteNew Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/kVngyW9/70-EE6-A48-D4-ED-41-FE-8716-00-F4-E3079-F68.png) (https://ibb.co/MyTDh3G)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNew Thrasher has a Penny check out and his sponsor list includes Ace now.[close]
(https://i.ibb.co/kVngyW9/70-EE6-A48-D4-ED-41-FE-8716-00-F4-E3079-F68.png) (https://ibb.co/MyTDh3G)[close]
There's some young ripper out there killing it and flow that didn't get the bump for this.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.
Size chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)
Expand QuoteSize chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)[close]
215 users dying from orgasming rn
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
Jordan Trahan runs them on lows. Hit up his IG and ask why.
Speaking of Ace heights, has this been discussed that their official size chart for classics is wildly off? It says the Classics are 2.5" high, which they say is 55mm, but the true conversion is 63.5mm. All of their height conversions from inches to mm on the other models are correct tho. I was trying to gauge how much lower the AF1s were compared to the classics, and quickly realized something was wrong. Anyone know which figure is correct? Is the 2.5" correct, or is the 55mm correct?My af1 and classics were all 53mm high. Some people claim classics are 52mm but mine were not.
(https://global-uploads.webflow.com/6206ea59d6d3001175bf9aff/6324f393d838f0acf935567e_classic_graph.svg)
Anybody gonna DM them on insta (like a man) & ask them what’s what with their wacky size chart?
I run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers
Expand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
Expand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes[close]
Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.
If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes[close]
Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.
If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.[close]
Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting
What are the biggest differences between the OG ace, and the AF1?
I know the sizing is different, but does it change the wb any different/different turn geo/ride height?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAny ace pilots here that use the 1/8” with the AF1s? And if you do, what’s the reason?[close]
The 1/8”? What do you mean? Risers?[close]
Oh, my bad. Yeah ofc risers, I’m gonna edit the post.[close]
Yeah, I run 1/8” risers on all my Aces, classics and AF1s. Initially I did it for wheel clearance skating some 58mm wheels but as they wore down to 50mm I still liked how the setup felt so I kept them on. Then when I changed to my usual 54mm wheels I still ran the risers and liked it.
I’ve tried several decks without the risers and I always end up putting them back on because I like the pop feel better with the risers. There are some decks which have not worked for me with risers though. The Polar P2 is one example but I didn’t like that board anyway.[close]
Thanks for the reply, I’m thinking about putting them on.[close]
Jordan Trahan runs them on lows. Hit up his IG and ask why.[close]
I run the lows with 1/8" risers. Kingpin clearance is better than hi's and it brings the height up to 52mm while shrinking the wheelbase to feel like Ace classics.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes[close]
Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.
If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.[close]
Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting[close]
I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes[close]
Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.
If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.[close]
Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting[close]
I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.[close]
Every time I see an Ace pro in real life they have like 2 threads showing minimum cuz of this "feature"
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI run the lows, with the hard bushings, and no risers on 52mm teardrop loopholes, I definitely get some wheelbite, but it’s tolerable. Mind you I’m not skating drops or big ass sets but I can backside flip the 5 star at the park and ride away, I can’t deal with risers[close]
so if i set up my normal AF1 with 52mm or smaller, i will probably never get wheelbite?
i am on 58mm right now lol i can skate stairs but get bodied sometimes[close]
Not sure where the limit actually is but I still got wheelbite on ~50 mm wheels on standard AF1s with 1/8" risers. It's just that with Aces the wheelbite is never a surprise for me like it is with Indys so I don't mind at all and once you're wheelbiting you're turning more than you'll ever be able to with any other truck.
If you want trucks that don't wheelbite get Krux. They suck in every aspect but I could not get them to wheelbite no matter what with 54 mm wheels and no risers.[close]
Damn i went from ace to thunder to venture to indy and the random wheelbite thing is so true. Might be cuz i have big wheels rn but it confuses me how i can u-turn without wheelbite but as soon as i actually do tricks its noticable and scope-limiting[close]
I would guess this is because you use more force when popping/landing tricks than just turning, and since ACE's turn so quickly/easily that difference in force is all it takes to cause wheelbite. I have a similar experience with ACE's. Fun trucks, i love riding around on them, ollies/grinds are fine, but my consistency goes out the door as soon as i start trying other tricks.[close]
Every time I see an Ace pro in real life they have like 2 threads showing minimum cuz of this "feature"
Size chart on the new Ace/Mesa Dist. site has an AF1 80 listed. Can’t remember if that was talked about here, but would seem to indicate it’s coming soon.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0578/6874/6811/files/overview_chart.svg?v=1664571939)
Anyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..
Expand QuoteAnyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..[close]
No, they stick out a bit
Anyone know if indy risers/ shockpads fit aces? Having a hard time finding ace shock pads..
Anyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose I'm the hollows?
Expand QuoteAnyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose I'm the hollows?[close]
I did. Check your kingpin. Mine was loose.
i think i said this before;
I feel like when i want to go straight, indy's feel squirrley and unpredictable when they are loose, where Ace's feel more stable. this is comparing both using indy bushings as well - never used the ace bushings yet.
i definitely ride mine with a thread or two showing and using the medium-hard indy bushings (Blue). they still turn good enough for me. i had them even more cranked for a session in the beginning, but it felt wrong. 1-2 threads feels perfect for me, personally. most people say my board is still way too loose in my area and cant do shit on it.
i find riding the board like this with 58mm wheels it forces me to land my tricks really clean. if i land where i am leaning heavily to either side i will bite so i feel like its actually making my skating BETTER! lol
i feel like if i am getting wheel bite on 47mm that i am going to set up once the snow is gone then that is 100% user error lol. idk how long i will actaually rock those wheels for but who knows maybe it will be really fun for that setup. may end up putting on a smaller F4 if the speed loss is too brutal.
How many of you ace riders are likely to try the new Indy stage 4 reissues?Fuck it: I plan on giving the a try.
How many of you ace riders are likely to try the new Indy stage 4 reissues?
How do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.
How do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.
I am same.Expand QuoteHow do you think i would like ace classics coming from only riding indys the past 20 yrs. Im sizing down to a 8.25 deck and dont want to ride 8.5 trucks so 8.35 trucks seem like the best bet for me. Since classics come in that size im thinking of finally giving aces a try.[close]
Perhaps an unpopular opinion here, but I can switch seamlessly between Ace and Independent. They're just not that different.
does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol
I pop in and out of this thread - are there any signs the Classics will be discontinued in the near future? I have so much anxiety I will run out of 44s in the future.
does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol
I pop in and out of this thread - are there any signs the Classics will be discontinued in the near future? I have so much anxiety I will run out of 44s in the future.
I just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?
I just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?Wait for the bushings to firm up. 56mm work for sure. I'm actually riding a setup with AF1 55 lows on 2.5mm risers and 57mm radials at the moment. So that's still a bit lower than AF1 standard height and I'd say that's the limit for me
Expand QuoteI just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?[close]
Lots of variables. Your weight, how loose are your trucks? wheel width and shape? Bushing duro? Deck to truck width ratio? concave, steep or mellow? what terrain do you skate?
In saying that I would say anything about 54mm you'll likely need risers on AF1s.
Expand QuoteI just picked up some Ace AF1s in the 55s and I seem to be getting some bad bite with 56mm Bones V5s (8.25 deck), what's the maximum size you can run on Ace AF1s before needing a riser?[close]
Ah, that’s some good info. I’ll try to break in the bushings this week.
Anyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose I'm the hollows?
Expand QuoteAnyone have issue with their kingpin nut coming lose I'm the hollows?[close]
On classics one bolt will loosen and one will tighten on it's own. I have no idea why. I have them marked so I can just reset them every few sessions but it makes no sense to me
thunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those
ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s
venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower
indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're53swhen forged
Expand Quotethunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those
ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s
venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower
indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're53swhen forged[close]
53.5mm and you can find all of the other indy specs in the lovely first post on the indy thread
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
STEP YOUR GAME UP OTHER TRUCK THREADS
Expand QuoteExpand Quotethunder: 147 and lower is 49mm, 148-151 is 52, the big bois are 53. forged are lower for all those
ace: 52 or 53 I've heard both for classics/af1s
venture: 53 across all sizes for cast, I think 48 or 49mm for the los. forged I think is lower
indy: 55mm for the standards, again forged lower I think they're53swhen forged[close]
53.5mm and you can find all of the other indy specs in the lovely first post on the indy thread
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123563.0
STEP YOUR GAME UP OTHER TRUCK THREADS[close]
Thunder size chart is linked in the first post of the Thunder Thread
I see some Ace 55 Hi on Tactics for $35 (non-sale price). Is there a reason they’re cheaper than the other ones? Thinking about grabbing them since I like the 44s.
Yeah, I assume they’re just the classics. Tactics seems to to be the only place that labels them like that.Expand QuoteI see some Ace 55 Hi on Tactics for $35 (non-sale price). Is there a reason they’re cheaper than the other ones? Thinking about grabbing them since I like the 44s.[close]
Honestly it's probably a typo
Edit: looks like all the Ace classics are going for under $40. I wonder what's going on there.
Are the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics!
Are the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics!
Expand QuoteAre the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics![close]
I loved the Classics but the QC was absolutely junk. I ended up bending both hangers and having both kingpins rattle loose. I’ve been on AF1s since the spring and I can’t say I notice a huge difference in how they skate vs. the Classics, but I can say that the quality is much higher (just remember to replace the axle nuts with standard ones).
Love the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?
Thanks everyone...sounds like the classics are still a respected truck. My only concern is that i normally ride 55 mm wheels and im seeing the classics are 52mm high which seems very low for a truck with that size wheel. I normally ride 55mm wheels on indy standards and have no issues but 3mm low seems like a big difference....maybe its not an issue?
Expand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.
Thanks everyone...sounds like the classics are still a respected truck. My only concern is that i normally ride 55 mm wheels and im seeing the classics are 52mm high which seems very low for a truck with that size wheel. I normally ride 55mm wheels on indy standards and have no issues but 3mm low seems like a big difference....maybe its not an issue?
Expand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.[close]
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.[close]
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.[close]
You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.
Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre the ace classics still considered a good truck? Or are they not messsed with much since af1's came out. I was looking to get the ace classic 44, because a 8.35 truck seems so perfect for a 8.25 deck. Ive never rode aces before so im not sure if people still ride the classics or not. Thanks to anyone who has info on the classics![close]
I loved the Classics but the QC was absolutely junk. I ended up bending both hangers and having both kingpins rattle loose. I’ve been on AF1s since the spring and I can’t say I notice a huge difference in how they skate vs. the Classics, but I can say that the quality is much higher (just remember to replace the axle nuts with standard ones).[close]
Are you on af-1 44s?
I was a huge fan of the classics. Loved the look of the 33s. When I sized up boards, I had the worst time getting pop out of the 44s, found a combo (short wb/and big wheels), but hated the look.
Got the af-1s the day they came out, and really never got along with them. Got the 44s, should have got 33s. But same issue, just couldn’t really get a good pop. Indys on flat boards, and thunders and ventures on anything feel great. Shit I liked the old royals when they were 50 mm. But the ace pop…never really solved it.
You got the recipe?
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).Expand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.[close]
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.[close]
You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.
Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?[close]
Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.[close]
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.[close]
You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.
Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?[close]
Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.[close]
Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.
The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.[close]
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.[close]
You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.
Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?[close]
Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.[close]
Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.
The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.
'Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLove the classics, never had any QC issues. Have a drawer full of 44s, end up going back to them pretty frequently. I'll echo what others have said regarding the nicer quality and slightly different pop feel of the AF1s.
My biggest gripe with the AF1s is that the pivot cups are way too soft. On both of the sets I tried, it made them feel unreasonably squirrelly, which I am sure is impacted by the fact that I am heavier than the average skater. Still, if they end up discontinuing the classics I might try and 3D print some plastic pivot cups for the AF1s. Or maybe I just need to be more patient?[close]
I too didn’t have the qc others were so worried about. I mean I used to bang my f’n axles on the ground in between tricks with pretty much every truck, for years, because that was just the deal.
The pivot cups feel dumb, and annoying on the af-1s. Like a stupid hack: my wack conspiracy theory was they just threw on these way too juicy cups to make the truck all wriggly/‘surfy’ (the ‘mouthfeel’ of truck tastings). Whatever. I’d prefer something 100% stiffer in the cup, but I also like harder bushings, loosened…’snappier’ (which I guess is the ‘punchy’ of truck recording sessions).
I think there is a lot of us that are not less than 150 on board, even if that’s the pro average. I’m pro height (5’8”), but not weight.[close]
I don't disagree with the cup theory, Afterall, change out the ACE cups and bushings and you'll be surprised out 'normal' they are...same can bet said for the new Royals, swap out the bushings for indy or bones and they lose a lot of flavor; I've a set of AF1 lo with hard bushings, there is nothing 'ACE' about them at that point tbh.
Bushings (read duro) are critical no matter the truck.[close]
You have done the research in this field and hats off. For whatever reason, I’m cool with buying each truck on the market, but buying bushings pisses me off. Doesn’t make any sense on my part.
Did the pop get better on the less filling/reduced flavor ace?[close]
Pop was much much better due to the stability at the cost of that ace feel, even broken in they were just 'normal' might as well ride a venture or thunder at that point over the ace lows if you are looking for stabilty.[close]
Imo “stability” is possibly a little overrated. I skated Ventures recently and found that the stability translated into an inability to point my board in the correct direction, making even things like ollies difficult. That’s before I even tried to tre flip, when I realized that without the ability to tilt the board under my feet, I wasn’t able to even get the deck to travel 360°. Went back to Ace after a few sessions and it just felt like home.
The amount of movement you get with an Ace is their virtue. Fwiw mine are bone stock sans the stupid nuts.
Been riding the Ace 55 AF1s this past week and they feel much better after some break in and riding at three threads cranked down. Zero bite on worn 54mm Dragon. They might be 53mm now.
Getting just the slightest bite when landing on 56mm Bones V5 x97, but it’s definitely manageable. That last two mm of clearance isn’t as clean as Indy, but it’s a lot better than new.
I have a feeling that the sweet spot for these trucks might be 54mm.
Shin is def the dude who makes me want to ride ACEs the most.
He's so rad.
I dont skate like him at all haha.
Expand QuoteShin is def the dude who makes me want to ride ACEs the most.
He's so rad.
I dont skate like him at all haha.[close]
One of my favorites and probably between him and Cardiel for the skater whose talent I would pick to have after a genie granted me a wish.
What is the difference with Venture trucks ?lol Venture and Ace are on the opposite ends of the truck spectrum in terms of geometry, turning radius, wheelbase extension, etc.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.
That was my thought as well, but the positioning makes it seem like, well, as you said: a vanity eyelet.Expand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.[close]
Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.
It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.
He has had a lot of ankle surgery and that is supposedly why he needs tight trucks. I can’t defend those bushings. He’s either unaware of the option of swapping to harder bushings, or doesn’t care.That was my thought as well, but the positioning makes it seem like, well, as you said: a vanity eyelet.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.[close]
Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.
It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.[close]
I actually DO be liking the look of them though.
Those bushings on the other hand... Oofta!
He has had a lot of ankle surgery and that is supposedly why he needs tight trucks. I can’t defend those bushings. He’s either unaware of the option of swapping to harder bushings, or doesn’t care.Expand QuoteThat was my thought as well, but the positioning makes it seem like, well, as you said: a vanity eyelet.Expand QuoteExpand Quotehttps://www.instagram.com/p/Co55_PNvOyF/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I know this thread is about Ace trucks, but can I take a moment to poke this insta post w/ a stick?
Take a look at the 3rd slide: What is that top lace eyelet doing way up there by your ankle bone, why is it there (as in, IS it intended to be functional?) & who thought that would be comfortable, let alone a good idea?
Seems like a mid-top would put that last jawn too far back to be anything other than a decoration.
Standard attire sourcing/fabbing practices typically dictate that every additional element adds a cost to the production, which is then passed on to the consumer in the form of MSRP/asking price. Sooo... why add it if it's "functionless" & only serves to drive up the cost, thereby reducing its appeal to cost conscious consumers?
I am aware that I'm over thinking the latest shoe from one of the best to ever do it, AND that this probably belongs in another thread, but...
Also, in that same pic, the "debossed Tom Penny signature on tongue" appears to look a whole lot like the standard company logo.
Back to Tom's trucks, though: y'all reckon he's running the hard Ace bushings & still cranking them down until they mash out like that? If not, then why come Ace don't just send him a set of the harder ones in his box?
Apologies. Haven't smoked/consumed any weed in at least a week & my brain is now flooded w/ pointless questions. I figured if anybody would have some insight, it would be the fellow skate nerds over in Shoes & Gear.
I appreciate you being patient w/ my ranting; I'm done now.[close]
Normally they sit below the top eyelet, not in line with the others like this, but this one is so far up, I’ve got to assume it’s a variation on the “runner’s eyelet” that allows one to loop the lace into the extra eyelet and thread it back through to lock the fit down better.
It’s either that or it’s just a vanity eyelet that offers the wearer an opportunity to explore the loose fit/wide lace stylings of the puffy shoe era.[close]
I actually DO be liking the look of them though.
Those bushings on the other hand... Oofta![close]
feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces
Expand Quotefeel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces[close]
And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.
Ahem. There’s a thread just for this.Expand QuoteExpand Quotefeel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces[close]
And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.[close]
havent bent! i’ve been towing a fresh set of AF1s with me each time i go out for the past month just waiting for them to kiss death. i feel like i could flip em and get a few more month(s?) out of them but my crook and feeble groves are so much like the topography of the grand canyon that the thought of starting over stresses me out
Ahem. There’s a thread just for this.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotefeel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces[close]
And the axles haven’t bent yet?
These sound like a sight to behold.
Um… maybe consider bringing a spare set to the next session w/ you?
You really are the definition of a shredder though, in the literal sense of the word, and it may be a bit early yet but I’m gonna go ahead & pay my respects to your trucks anyway. RSVP streetmeat’s Ace 44 Classics.[close]
havent bent! i’ve been towing a fresh set of AF1s with me each time i go out for the past month just waiting for them to kiss death. i feel like i could flip em and get a few more month(s?) out of them but my crook and feeble groves are so much like the topography of the grand canyon that the thought of starting over stresses me out[close]
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=43807.0
Now post some pics already!
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.
Feel like switching my 169s to the 66 to have a faster turn with the 15" wb.
got some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.the clicking goes away eventually
the clicking goes away eventuallyExpand Quotegot some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.[close]
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.
Expand Quotethe clicking goes away eventuallyExpand Quotegot some af1 60 and they're clicking like crazy. I like them though.[close][close]
The clicking went away after a few sessions, then returned for like an hour or two a few months later. Quiet since then.
How u guys like aces hard bushings? Stock ones were way too soft for me so I didn't ride my af1s for long.
Feel like switching my 169s to the 66 to have a faster turn with the 15" wb.
Replacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.
Thanks all.
Not heavy into slappies. I’m planning on cranking these down, so I can ollie. I’m just not a huge fan of the pop, and the wobble doesnt help
Expand QuoteThanks all.
Not heavy into slappies. I’m planning on cranking these down, so I can ollie. I’m just not a huge fan of the pop, and the wobble doesnt help[close]
Tighten them and run risers if you want better pop feel on aces.
Pop is their weak point imo. def a big reason as to why i dont ride them on my normal setup.
Replacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.
Im not sure i like mine, came from 15+ years of indy
Most tricks that dont involve flipping are fine/better/same
But i seem to have lost all timings on nollie heels and sw bs flips for example. Ghost popping like crazy.
Might just be a steeper nose on the board but never lost it like this before and i buy different shapes all the time
Im not sure i like mine, came from 15+ years of indy
Most tricks that dont involve flipping are fine/better/same
But i seem to have lost all timings on nollie heels and sw bs flips for example. Ghost popping like crazy.
Might just be a steeper nose on the board but never lost it like this before and i buy different shapes all the time
I’m sure this has been answered but how are hard bones bushings in Aces? Curious about riding but have been riding Indy hollows for a good while now
Expand QuoteReplacement pivot cup for the af1’s? Looking for something to stiffen it up. Ripped the old ones out, put in some hard, bright Orange indy ones that are too small.[close]
you have orange pivot cups?
ask if these will work in af1's, i've no experience with them.
https://socalskateshop.com/Khiro-Logo-Pivot-Bushings-Large-Hard.html
Why are you opposed to just riding the AF1 stock pivot cups? Those and Riptides are both solid options.
does Ace not sell a replacement kingpin/washer set? i see that they did at some point, the ones i found online seem to be old packaging/branding. i've basically slappy feebled my back truck kingpin/nut/washer into dust and its all but fused together as one piece lol
Gentleman.
Does anyone have a weight for the AF1 low in a 33 or can anyone please point me in the right direction?
Much appreciated
Can anyone please tell me how to google information about ace trucks please?Ask Jeeves
AF1 WILL NOT FIT INDY/ACE CLASSIC PIVOTS
Expand QuoteWhy are you opposed to just riding the AF1 stock pivot cups? Those and Riptides are both solid options.[close]
For me, on my af-1 44s, the trucks are just to squiggly. I also lose pop, swerving instead of setting up.
Are the riptides more firm?
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)
what kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?
60 lows with risers. Skated these on my regular 8.75 deck and went through a front top bushing every month. Ended up switching everything out for stock Indy bushings and washers and been holding up way better.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xsa0Y3q.jpg)
I just switched from Classics to AF1 Hollows, and the bushings are vastly different.Expand Quotewhat kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?[close]
I love my AF1 55's (with stock bushings) on my bowl/transition setup (8.5 deck with Bones SPF 84b wheels), the turning feels like surfing and grinds great. I'm a light dude, so for heavier guys I would recommend the Ace hard bushings, but many bowl riders seem to enjoy the trucks with the stock mediums as they really turn like on a cloud.
I just switched from Classics to AF1 Hollows, and the bushings are vastly different.Expand QuoteExpand Quotewhat kind of boards work good with 55 Af-1s? Been riding royals for the past year but had to get something else cause my kingpin broke on a recent skatetrip?[close]
I love my AF1 55's (with stock bushings) on my bowl/transition setup (8.5 deck with Bones SPF 84b wheels), the turning feels like surfing and grinds great. I'm a light dude, so for heavier guys I would recommend the Ace hard bushings, but many bowl riders seem to enjoy the trucks with the stock mediums as they really turn like on a cloud.[close]
I love my Classics stock, but on my AF1s I got crazy wheelbite with the stock bushings and still a little with the Ace hard as well.
I threw some Bones hard in and they feel great now.
For perspective, I’m a fairly big dude, 6’1 220lbs.
Do you like the lows?
Nice work
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.
Pretty well documented in this thread that the Ace AF1 re-threader axle nuts are shit for this reason. Just switch em out for any other axle nut, they're $1 for a 4pack at my localExpand QuoteHas anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.[close]
Noticed that as well today. One nut was almost falling off. Maybe my fault though, not sure.
But I am going back to royals again anyway.
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.
Has anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.
Expand QuoteHas anyone had any issues with bolts being able to be finger tightened on the axle? I just got some new af1 55s and I tried the bolts they came with and they just didn’t feel tight enough, even took the speed rings off so there was more room to tighten. I have tried multiple other bolts and they literally just spin freely, pretty disappointing.[close]
Yeah, it's a dumb gimmick. Standard 5/16" nuts from the hardware store are like $.05 each. I always buy a bunch (like 10-20) and end up using them or giving them away when I'm out skating and someone hardware is failing.
feel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces
Expand Quotefeel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces[close]
update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.
Expand Quotefeel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces[close]
update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotefeel like i'm on borrowed time with my 44 Classics right now. i'm far beyond axel front and back, the back i'm damn near thru the bushing yolk and grinding on the bushing for feebles/smiths, the back washer/nut/kingpin has now fused into one single piece/the washer is about 60% existent at all, the front washer is so stretched out its almost slipping over the nut, the pivot cup feels and appears to be adding nothing of value but god dammit i'm committed to staying with them till they snap or completely fall apart while riding like Forest Gumps leg braces[close]
update: i did the 'insane' thing and rotated them right before i was sure i was going to grind straight through the bushing yolk and kingpin nut. rotated and replaced that nut. basically starting over with no groves on a set of trucks that are on your board that have groves but not in the right spots anymore sucks really bad! but i'm determined to make these MFers the most grinded trucks on earth.[close]
I do this with all my trucks. In fact, I usually don't pay attention to which was "front" and which was "back" when I set them up.
i rotate trucks, i am on the same mission my friend.
Anybody using the af1s without inside washers?
I really want to buy some low af1 44s…or 33s. I tend to skate 8s. And also 8.25s. And a lot of 8.125s. None of this matters, but yeah. Difficult choices
Expand QuoteAnybody using the af1s without inside washers?
I really want to buy some low af1 44s…or 33s. I tend to skate 8s. And also 8.25s. And a lot of 8.125s. None of this matters, but yeah. Difficult choices[close]
I don't know if they are like the classics where the axle sticks out a bunch even with the washers, but if so I wouldn't. I use 3 washers inside each wheel on my classic 44s to avoid having to rethread them (and also it makes them closer to a 8.5 truck) so if they do stick out, I'd get the 33s and throw some extra washers that way you would have something resembling 8.125ish trucks.
Maybe someone else who actually owns a pair of AF1 could answer this: do the axle stick out a lot with just the regular speed rings?
44 AF1's are definitely smaller than classic 44's. The hanger is only like 138mm wide compared to classics, or any other brand that offers an 8.25" truck. They work fine on an 8" I've done it with no washer on the inside and everything barely pokes out on the sides. Smallest I'd go with classic 44's is 8.125" deck.
7.75 yeah definitely go with 33's. I'll forever be attached to 44 AF1's, I wish they were the same size as the classics but extra axle washers help with that. AF1 55's have that classic 44 sized hanger with an 8.5 axle, but something about the numbers 44 when I look down...it just hits different <3
The clicking washers on the af1s, and the pivot cups are not my favorite.
The clicking washers on the af1s, and the pivot cups are not my favorite.I've said this before: the clicking is just the sound of weakness leaving your trucks. ;)
The main problem with ace, for me, is that I’m not good enough.
What's been the ideal replacement bushing of choice?
I can't see myself skating blue or red bushings at this point in the game & I've retired from Bones.
Here's the deal:They are the same size width, but the af1 pivot is maybe a hair taller (hand poured - some aren't perfect.) Mine stuck out a little bit, but I just took a razor to the excess to make it flush. Works great if you want the AF1 pivot cups and hollow hangers but on the good ol mag plate from the classic ACE
Classic hangers don't fit AF1 baseplates because the classic pivot is thicker and there's less space in the AF1 pivot cup.
AF1 hangers fit into the classic baseplate, but it wiggles because there's more space in the pivot cup.
Now here's the question: Are the actual pivot cup holes inside the baseplate the same size, so that you can just put an AF1 pivot cup into a classic baseplate and use it for AF1 hangers?
I need an AF1 baseplate and that would be great.
TLDR: Do AF1 pivot cups fit classic baseplates? Therefore making it an AF1 baseplate
They are the same size width, but the af1 pivot is maybe a hair taller (hand poured - some aren't perfect.) Mine stuck out a little bit, but I just took a razor to the excess to make it flush. Works great if you want the AF1 pivot cups and hollow hangers but on the good ol mag plate from the classic ACEExpand QuoteHere's the deal:
Classic hangers don't fit AF1 baseplates because the classic pivot is thicker and there's less space in the AF1 pivot cup.
AF1 hangers fit into the classic baseplate, but it wiggles because there's more space in the pivot cup.
Now here's the question: Are the actual pivot cup holes inside the baseplate the same size, so that you can just put an AF1 pivot cup into a classic baseplate and use it for AF1 hangers?
I need an AF1 baseplate and that would be great.
TLDR: Do AF1 pivot cups fit classic baseplates? Therefore making it an AF1 baseplate[close]
Welcome backalways watching ;)
If you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38
55 on 8.25+ all day. I regret getting the AF1 44s at first and they're on my cruiser now.
Currently riding 44 classics on 8.25 and for the first time I get what people mean by "squirrely". After mostly riding thunders, I felt like I can't stop doing tiny slalom carves when I try to go parallel to a ledge.
Tightened them down to about 1.5 threads showing on both kingpins, bushings firmed up a bit and now they feel amazing and stable.
Nose and tailslides after switching from thunder to ace are ridiculously fast and smooth. I've struggled with fs noseslides for the past month on thunders, today was my first time on the aces and suddenly they're super easy because I don't have to lock in absolutely perfect in order to slide. Love it. (This is only because it's a weird sticky ledge, thunders are great on other ledges)
Loose trucks saved slides
Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38Expand QuoteIf you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.[close]
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
Expand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.
Expand QuoteHard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38Expand QuoteIf you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.[close][close]
Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38Expand QuoteIf you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.[close][close]
Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.[close]
I like my AF1 44s on this 8.5 Chocolate Skidul “curb setup” of mine. Def some magic carpet up at the front bolts but pretty flush at the back bolts due to the tapered rails.
I grew up mostly skating 8” trucks on 8.125-8.25 decks though so I’m a bit of a magic carpet enthusiast I think. It allows me to skate a bigger size deck without feeling like I’ve gone all in on having a “big” board setup that isn’t good for flip tricks and whatnot. Like anything else it comes down to preference and what you want out your setup
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIf you ride 8.5 decks, I'd def go for the AF1 55s. AF1 44s on an 8.5 would be a tad too much magic carpet, unless you're into that kind of thing. 55s on an 8.25 makes more sense.[close]
Hard agree - I'd even consider the 60's - I think AF1's are a bit undersized, the 55's work perfect on my 8.38[close]
Backing this for the zillionth time. 44s are a perfect truck for my 8-8.18” decks, but they start to disappear even under the 8.25” I’m skating now. Not so much that I’d jump to 55s, but I can’t imagine skating the 44s on something like an 8.5”.
Has anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.
I just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.
just put the stock bushings back in. i dont know why i didnt try this in the first place. it feels fine, i dont think i really noticed any huge difference. it feels a bit more cushiony but i forgot i was on a different thing after like 1 minute. i suppose i had the option to go tighter on the indy bushings, but you really have to crank it down because they are so much more low profile. i didnt want it to go tighter. it feels like maybe you can go a bit deeper with softer bushings which is kinda scary but it feels really stable to me as far as trusting it. if i land good, i know the truck will be stable. still curious to know what the hard bushings feel like, maybe a little more support against wheelbite if you are launching down drops. but i guess i dont really need that cause i am not gonna be doin that.
I felt like I hardly had to crank down at all, like 2 threads it felt way too tight for me, and bushings werent squished at all.
be careful not to mix up the bottom washer either, the ace bottom washers are a little deeper to allow for more squish (i think? i could have got them mixed with the indys, but anyway i chose the deeper bottom washer to prevent squish) and it worked fine. I accidentally put one of the shallow ones, and it got squished right away and the bushing was coming out of the side :o
the top washer is baiscally identical to the indy one though. could not tell difference between them.
I have suffered through the clicking on almost all of the sets of AF1's I've had since they came out and only 1 of 4 sets I've skated had the issue go away on its own. It took me until now to realize the issue is the outer diameter of the top part of the top bushing does not "nest" in the top washer and when the bushing mushes during turns it causes the washer to shift and catch the kingpin threads. The urethane they use also is tackier than most companies use and I think that only amplifies the bushing grabbing against the underside of the washer enough to shift it around. I swapped my top bushing out for a Thunder top bushing and kept everything else bone stock and it seems to have gone away. Another plus to this is the Thunder top bushing is a tiny bit shorter so I'm able to get my kingpin nuts fully on the threads while keeping the trucks as loose as I want them to be. Hopefully, this puts an end to the click for good because it feels great and was a simple enough fix...
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you are shaping up to be a great poster man, keep it up. bonus points for 56mm classics (my favorite wheel)
Expand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.[close]
so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.[close]
so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?[close]
Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.[close]
so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?[close]
Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.[close]
so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?[close]
Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/[close]
My AF1 55 hangers are 147mm. Those ventures look huge.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI just got my 55 AF1 hollows today and I'm glad I listened to you guys. The hangers are basically the exact same width as an Indy 144. The 44s would probably have been way too narrow for me.[close]
55s are a few mm wider.[close]
so is the consensus that with axel width, af1s are pretty spot on, but hanger width is slightly smaller than other trucks of the same size?[close]
Yeah, they are spot on 8.5", but the hangers are much smaller. I've compared them to 5.8s (my 149s are currently set up and waiting to kill that deck before setting up the 55s) and 144s, here are the pics:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/198084014@N05/with/52816545177/[close]
damn thanks for the pics! super helpful!
From the latest Thrasher (#515)
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Black baseplates with raw hangers?
From the latest Thrasher (#515)
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Black baseplates with raw hangers?
Expand QuoteFrom the latest Thrasher (#515)
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Black baseplates with raw hangers?[close]
Says Theories below it, so collab.
One can only hope for mag plates again ;) I'd be first inline for some hollow mag AF1s
Expand QuoteHas anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.[close]
So like a hollow AF1 with added weight because of the axle? I’m sure they are compatible, but what’s the reasoning? Why?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteHas anyone tried combining a normal af1 axle with the hollow af1 baseplate/kingpin? Basically making what they did with the low normal sized. I’m assuming the geometry is the same.[close]
So like a hollow AF1 with added weight because of the axle? I’m sure they are compatible, but what’s the reasoning? Why?[close]
To offset some of the weight while having an axle that feels sturdier and less tinny.
Tightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn
Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.Expand QuoteTightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn[close]
As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.
Don't change anything unless it feels wrong when skating. Sometimes the more fucked up the bushings are, the better it feelsYa I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn[close]
As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.[close]
Don't change anything unless it feels wrong when skating. Sometimes the more fucked up the bushings are, the better it feelsExpand QuoteYa I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn[close]
As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.[close][close]
Ya I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn[close]
As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.[close]
Expand QuoteYa I had them flush to start, was doing lots of slaps and whatnot and found they got looser (top bushing compresed snd looks like its splitting). So then I decided to tighten a couple of threads down and voila, felt good again. But now im like, maybe I should look into replacing the bushings? I've never been a truck madness guy, I had the same Indys for like 6 years before I got these trucks, but I wanna do them right.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTightened af1 44 iss exactly what I wanted. Stability but with that carvey turn[close]
As my bushings have worn out, I've cranked them further and further. Not they're probably showing ~3-4 threads, but they're still relatively loose and carve great.[close][close]
I thought this was normal? I've had it happen on both Indy and Ace trucks. Happens a lot quicker on the Bones Hards I used to skate in my Indy's, which actually made me change to Ace with stock bushings. So far I've worn down about 3 decks on them with only minimal damage to the front truck bushings.
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Experimenting with this and so far I'm linking it... 94a hard top as a bottom / 91a stock top as a top with both washers
that is one tunry ass setup, conicals on both sides making the wheelbase even shorter than stock and almost no KP showing!
I could never skate well on that. It would be fun though, until i tried to do tricks lol.
Anyone in the USA know where to find those theories collabs yet? I want them for the hangers badly.
Trying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.
Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.
Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.
Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.
General Question: would it be possible to mix a ace-low baseplate with classic 44 hangers? Or are only AF1s fitting the news baseplates?
Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.
You can use any other classic pivot cups, and it will fit.Expand QuoteGeneral Question: would it be possible to mix a ace-low baseplate with classic 44 hangers? Or are only AF1s fitting the news baseplates?
Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.[close]
Doesn't fit. The classic hanger nub is too big for the af1 pivot cup
Expand QuoteTrying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.
Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.
Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.
Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.[close]
I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.
You can use any other classic pivot cups, and it will fit.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteGeneral Question: would it be possible to mix a ace-low baseplate with classic 44 hangers? Or are only AF1s fitting the news baseplates?
Would i get a low truck thats 8.35 wide? Since the baseplate is what makes the ace-lows low.[close]
Doesn't fit. The classic hanger nub is too big for the af1 pivot cup[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.
Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.
Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.
Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.[close]
I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.[close]
The ace hard bushings make them feel less crazy, especially when you have them tightened down a bit. I have about 3 threads showing.
Feeling goooood.
Being a bigger guy, I had to go Bones Hard to get a little more stability, as the Ace shards weren’t hard enough.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteTrying my AF1's on my regular setup again. Seeing pics of ACE dudes with them all cranked down made me think i should just try to run them tighter.
Roughly 3 threads showing, ACE hard bushings.
Feels pretty decent/stable and I can still get a great turn if i lean into it. I felt like on indy's i had to choose between surfy and stable. I'm hoping to get a more balanced mix of the two with the aces tightened more than i initially thought appropriate.
Should probably put this in the madness thread haha.[close]
I'm into the Stage 4 Indy's. They are amazing trucks. Somehow both stable and surfy. Coming from Ace where it was just surfy all the way with stock bushings.[close]
The ace hard bushings make them feel less crazy, especially when you have them tightened down a bit. I have about 3 threads showing.
Feeling goooood.[close]
Fully agreed, the Ace hards were a game changer for me, was nearly ready to give up on Ace trucks altogether before I realized how great combination of turnability and stability the hard bushings can provide.
Does anyone trim down the stock bushings. I like medium loose trucks but the nylock on my bolt isn't fully engaged I guess so they keep phantom loosening. Thinking about either shaving down the top bushing or using some loctite.
Also tempted to switch out to Indy conical bushings if anyone's tried it. They turn good but just stop deep into the turn and the wheels come off the ground.
Does anyone trim down the stock bushings. I like medium loose trucks but the nylock on my bolt isn't fully engaged I guess so they keep phantom loosening. Thinking about either shaving down the top bushing or using some loctite.
Also tempted to switch out to Indy conical bushings if anyone's tried it. They turn good but just stop deep into the turn and the wheels come off the ground.
Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goesHow much do you weigh? I'm like 59kg/130pounds and ace classics with the nut just fully engaged are insanely soft for anything other than just cruising. I'm at 1.5 threads showing and it's still turny but stable enough.
How much do you weigh? I'm like 59kg/130pounds and ace classics with the nut just fully engaged are insanely soft for anything other than just cruising. I'm at 1.5 threads showing and it's still turny but stable enough.Expand QuoteThanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes[close]
Thanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes
Expand QuoteThanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes[close]
Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.
At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.
I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.
If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes[close]
Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.
At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.
I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.
If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.[close]
By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.
I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).
My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes[close]
Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.
At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.
I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.
If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.[close]
By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.
I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).
My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes[close]
Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.
At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.
I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.
If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.[close]
By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.
I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).
My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.[close]
I am interested and I think you're on to something here. I found the more the bottom washer cups the bushing, the earlier the lean of the hanger gets limited. Recently had bushing madness which led to trying different washers as well. Haven't tried Ace Washers but had the Problem you described with Indys and pretty soft Riptide Bushings. Their bottom washers are also thicker and cup the bushing more than the Indy washers. For me Indy washers solved the problem just right.
I also tried the small flat washers by Riptide and they allow even more lean, but are also a little thicker than the Indy washers, thus changing the geo of my Stage 11s. But since someone mentioned that Ace washers are also thicker, this might be interesting for you and other Ace Riders who want more lean without changing the geometry. If anyones interested I have calipers and could measure the Riptide washers thickness.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThanks for the help. I'm on classics and I removed the bottom washer for now. The kingpin nut is on way better but it's messed with the geometry a bit. The top bushing was sitting crooked until I tightened it. I'll test it out for a week and see how it goes[close]
Yeah that is the only down side to trying it without the bottom washer.
At least you can feel it out and then if that is what works, just remove 1 mm from the top bushing, otherwise if it still doesn't work in the way you want, take 2 mm off the bottom of the top bushing and that should be pretty much perfect.
I learned a while back not to take too much off, but then for some people it needed more than just 1 mm removed, so I got used to working out how much by experimenting, as well as having people try it like that for a session or however long, some of which just left it like that and were happy.
If you did have Indy bushings, try the top stock Indy bushing on there too, just to see what that is like.[close]
By talking about washers you've opened up a new stage of gear madness in me. I'm now researching bushing washer types haha.
I'm not sure if I'm tripping but the bottom bushing washer on Aces are a really tight cup whereas other trucks like Indy have a mellow angle cup washer (hope this makes sense, stay with me).
My issue with Ace is that deep into the carve it just stops giving even if you keep putting weight in and the wheels start lifting up. I wonder if this is caused by the washers they use instead. I'm going to test some different washers. If anyone's interested then I'll return with my findings.[close]
I am interested and I think you're on to something here. I found the more the bottom washer cups the bushing, the earlier the lean of the hanger gets limited. Recently had bushing madness which led to trying different washers as well. Haven't tried Ace Washers but had the Problem you described with Indys and pretty soft Riptide Bushings. Their bottom washers are also thicker and cup the bushing more than the Indy washers. For me Indy washers solved the problem just right.
I also tried the small flat washers by Riptide and they allow even more lean, but are also a little thicker than the Indy washers, thus changing the geo of my Stage 11s. But since someone mentioned that Ace washers are also thicker, this might be interesting for you and other Ace Riders who want more lean without changing the geometry. If anyones interested I have calipers and could measure the Riptide washers thickness.[close]
Okay I'll definitely report back then. I've got some Indy washers and they look pretty nice as the cup isn't too severe. I'll try no washers first as I guess this is what a totally flat washer would feel like. Time for some severe madness haha
Found this Ace rethreading nut at a curb spot the other day. Shit just comes right off.
(https://i.imgur.com/wf89jze.jpg)
Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.
These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.
I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for
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Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.
These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.
I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for[close]
Damn, hell yea. Idk they made these for lows. They were a game changer on the reg height for sure.
(https://i.imgur.com/wf89jze.jpg)
Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.
These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.
I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for
I tried ace's for a bit around 2014 for a couple weeks and they had that bad axel slip at that time. After skating thunders for years I decided to give them a try again as the new AF1s seem to have a lot of praise on here as well as what i've seen from lots of skaters. i got the AF1 44
i had a session at my park today of just skating mostly flat and ledges and a quarter pipe and they worked so well! im not sure what it was but i had one of those sessions where you land damn near everything.
as far as adjusting them i didnt really change the bushings or anything else just tightened them a little.
Tried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.
Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.
Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.
I just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.
Tried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.
Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.
Expand QuoteTried out my classic 55s for the first time today skating a flow section of a park. I got the trucks to a good mid point of tightness after changing out the top cup washer for a flat washer. Not necessarily as 'surfy' as I expected, I didn't feel like the turn was any tighter than standard indys, although it did feel more stable. Not sure if it's just because they're new trucks and I don't have a groove but they grinded slow on pool coping compared to indys.
Overall I'm a fan, they feel great, but if I were to choose between these and indys I probably wouldn't really care which one I was riding. Maybe I just need to break in the bushing more to get the ace turn that everyone raves about.[close]
Ever since they widened the V on the classics in the middle of the hanger in their version 3, it made them turn different. I think it adds more of a stable feeling at the cost of them having crazy responsiveness with the slightest move, which I personally love and prefer. Not to say they aren’t turny, they definitely still are, there is still very much responsiveness but man those version 1’s with the skinny hangers that bent were nuts. That’s what got me for life when I stepped on them in like…2013 or around there. The turning just totally killed Indy. I still look for them on eBay. If I would have known, I’d have bought enough sets to last me forever. I also think they looked the best out of all, including the AF1’s.
(https://i.imgur.com/wf89jze.jpg)
Finally found a set of these, seriously a night and day difference. I’m running AF1 low 55 hollows and after a couple of weeks the bushings were still SO mushy, unskateably loose, even cranked down with 2-3 threads showing.
These immediately feel so much better. Kingpin nut basically flush, everything feels super stable especially setting up for tricks, but I can still get a super deep ace turn if I want it.
I’m heavier at 200 pounds so if you’re lighter these may not work, but for me they’re exactly what I was hoping for
The only link I saw had them listed for $95 a set? Why?Expand QuoteI just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.[close]
they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada
The only link I saw had them listed for $95 a set? Why?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.[close]
they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada[close]
A while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.
Expand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
Expand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.[close]
Every truck has their pros/cons
Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.
AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.
Then thunder
Venture last
I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.
However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.
Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.[close]
Every truck has their pros/cons
Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.
AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.
Then thunder
Venture last
I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.
However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.
Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.[close]
Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?
The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks
Agree: they feel like there’s peanut butter on the hanger, or the ledge/curb/coping. I did NOT like it at first, but I’ve grown to enjoy the softer feel of the grind.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.[close]
Every truck has their pros/cons
Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.
AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.
Then thunder
Venture last
I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.
However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.
Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.[close]
Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?
The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks[close]
Nah, they grinded slower on just about everything.
Welp. I’m a moron. My badExpand QuoteThe only link I saw had them listed for $95 a set? Why?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI just wanna know when the ToA collabs are dropping here in the US.[close]
they should be up at some stores. pretty available here down in canada[close][close]
$95 CAD equals to a little under $70 US.
ToA collab is live.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.[close]
Every truck has their pros/cons
Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.
AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.
Then thunder
Venture last
I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.
However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.
Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.[close]
Do you just mean the grind on pool coping?
The grind on steel coping is great so far, but that's to be expected from new trucks[close]
Nah, they grinded slower on just about everything.
in stock at Orchard and KineticExpand QuoteToA collab is live.[close]
Yeah they're 10". Still haven't seen the new 10" thunders anywhere, maybe these will take over the big boy market. However big that market is, never seen anybody skate 215s in person
For sure Films get the last place, those things are made of play doh, grind is awful.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteA while ago I was riding the Classics for a while and had gotten used to the soft/slower grind. Lo and behold, once I got on a pair of new Indys for a change, I almost died on my first fs 50-50 grind as they felt like I was on ice and the board just sped off from below me.[close]
I'm currently on a pair of AF-1s, and they grind well, but yeah, Independent isn't lying when they say "built to grind". I've ended up replacing trucks merely because the grind felt shitty when they were new and I wasn't willing to break them in.[close]
Every truck has their pros/cons
Indy wins in the grind department hands down as far as I'm concerned.
AF1s and lurpivs tied for second imo.
Then thunder
Venture last
I'd say I enjoy the grind on ace classics and thunders about the same, but the grind is pretty different on both.
However, I will say that the softer grind on the classics does provide a bit of grip and confidence on coping (at the cost of speed/distance) which made it easier to learn certain grinds.
Even if I eventually felt like they were slowing those same grinds down once it started getting better at them.
Just put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!
I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.
no change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment and overall feelExpand QuoteJust put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!
I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.[close]
I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.
no change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment and overall feelExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!
I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.[close]
I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.[close]
Expand Quoteno change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment and overall feelExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!
I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.[close]
I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.[close][close]
Been running 1/8" risers for many years even with smaller 54mm wheels. I lost a lot of weight since but always riding loose trucks I needed them. I run 56-60mm wheels these days and it's manageable on 1/8" risers with not so bad wheelbite but I just got curious to try the 1/4". Mellow decks, 13.75-14.25 wheelbases. I can't explain it but I literally feel the same stability and I haven't had any issues with ghost pop, when I definitely thought one or both would happen.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteno change in wheel size or deck steepness? How did that change your pop adjustment and overall feelExpand QuoteExpand QuoteJust put some stilts on my Ace trucks (1/4”/6.3 mm risers) and that shit faken goooooooooes!
I was doing the Dressen wiggle like nothing. Give it a go on a cruiser board. It’s great not having to worry about wheel bite with big softies on.[close]
I always skate 1/8" risers but recently started wanting to get zero wheelbite so I stepped it up to 1/4" and it's actually been amazing with zero affect on stability and pop, which I totally thought was going to throw me off. It's still possible to get a little bit of wheelbite but barely. I'm staying on them for the foreseeable future since I'm also sticking with big wheels.[close][close]
Been running 1/8" risers for many years even with smaller 54mm wheels. I lost a lot of weight since but always riding loose trucks I needed them. I run 56-60mm wheels these days and it's manageable on 1/8" risers with not so bad wheelbite but I just got curious to try the 1/4". Mellow decks, 13.75-14.25 wheelbases. I can't explain it but I literally feel the same stability and I haven't had any issues with ghost pop, when I definitely thought one or both would happen.[close]
For me risers with Aces actually help the pop. I use 1/8” risers in pretty much all my setups. Wheels I use from 54 to 60 mm and change them out when they’re at 50 mm so essentially 50-60 mm. Maybe I could try the 1/4” risers if I happen to have a deck with a long tail.
Going back to Ace Classics all of a sudden after a while on Indys really f*cked up my ollie. I don't know if it's just the shorter wheelbase or something else on top of that, but my pop felt terrible for a while. Maybe risers could help with this.
Expand QuoteGoing back to Ace Classics all of a sudden after a while on Indys really f*cked up my ollie. I don't know if it's just the shorter wheelbase or something else on top of that, but my pop felt terrible for a while. Maybe risers could help with this.[close]
I just moved from Ace to some old Indys I had forgotten about, and in combination with a new deck, my ollie is markedly higher. Last weekend, I felt like I was ollieing like a 12 year who first learned how, and yesterday with the new deck and trucks, I had my pop, and had no problem tucking my back knee. I think it was probably a combination of factors, but pushing the wheelbase in so close wasn't helping.
And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.
And if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good
Expand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.[close]
Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.Expand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good[close]
I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.
Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.[close]
Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.Expand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good[close]
I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.
Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.[close]
I tested the theory recently by putting Ace bushings in some stage 11's and there is definitely a certain trigger and responsiveness missing from those compared to the Ace geometry. They might both be able to get the same depth of turn depending on the wheel size and if you're using risers but there's a slalom level of twitch I can get into on some Ace's, while the Indy's were just a more boring and mellow feel.
good assessments, was a good read on this page 👍Expand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.[close]
Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.Expand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good[close]
I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.
Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.
good assessments, was a good read on this page 👍Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll indy’s have great pop, for most folks, or another way, higher pop.[close]
Agreed. I would need to try the Ace on the same deck to do an A/B test, but it's hard to justify going back to Ace when some ancient crusty Indys gave me an extra ~10" of effortless pop which were missing with the AF-1s.Expand QuoteAnd if it’s ONLY about turning, we’ll then hey, ace pretty pretty pretty good[close]
I've said this before, but I don't notice a huge difference between the way Ace and Indy Stage XIs skate. Both have a good deep carve, and I've never found myself limited at all by the Indy turn, not in the way that I felt restrained by Venture or Thunder.
Maybe I should try to Stage IV, next.[close]
What did you say after all that?
Like someone here posted earlier, Indys turn really well.
I was on the Ace turn bandwagon for a while, and while they're admittedly great for that, after getting a pair of new Indys I realized they turn f*cking awesome with the stock orange bushings. In a nutshell: I get all the turn I need from Indys these days, with the added stability for pop etc. that Aces don't provide for me personally, opinions of course differ.
Don't get me wrong, I love Aces, but I think I'll only fully switch back to them once I'm like 75 yrs old and can't ollie for shit anymore.
one of my friends says he feels like Ace bushings kind of absord the impact of higher up landings a bit and I think I have heard someone else say that here as well. It is in a bad way that kind of causes you to wheel bite. but thats why the turning feels so sick and cushion-like. I cant say I skate stuff like this too much, but I dropped in on a hubba recently and experienced it for myself :) But during normal skating, I never actually feel afraid of wheel biting on them and I ride pretty big conical full f4 54mm. It is pretty close to stock setting for tightness.
I kinda feel like Indys get "Squirrley" after awhile and the bushings dont even need to be particularly old. When they are new I feel like its actually quite stable. But when I am pushing up at high speeds it feels very wobbly compared to Ace, unless I tighten them up. Again I think this comes down to the bushings and height of them as well which is what I think mr. Brimson was saying. I would say Indys work better as a slightly tighter truck. They work better than Aces as a tighter truck 100%. Don't buy Aces if you want tight trucks imo...
I don't think Jaws would want Aces, but Penny could (and does) and he jumps down some pretty big stuff even still. I think Reynolds or Joslin could use them better than Indys!! I imagine some of those guys probably feel more stressed out about switching any of their gear than any of us ever could be when it comes to their careers.
i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups
(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
ace really have the best customer support and warranty, sent me out new af1 hollow 66s next day because of the pivot cup issue
That's super cool, I wanted to get some 55 classics but I was afraid of axle issues. Now I can get them without further worries.Expand Quoteace really have the best customer support and warranty, sent me out new af1 hollow 66s next day because of the pivot cup issue[close]
Yeah, they were great to me. I emailed about some crusty Classics where the hangers were bent and they let me pick out a new set of AF-1s, which arrived in a few days with a baggy full of stickers. The communication was clear and easy in a way that it so rarely is with anything else. Made me a big fan of the company, insofar as how it's run and managed.
On my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?
Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.
I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?
i keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups
(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)
On my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?
Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.
I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?
Expand Quotei keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups
(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)[close]
Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.
Expand Quotei keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups
(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)[close]
Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.
Expand QuoteExpand Quotei keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups
(https://i.ibb.co/NrWD6Zt/IMG20230619183454.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VxMnW2J)[close]
Man, I guess that‘s part of the Ace experience. Love Aces but their pivot cups are a joke.[close]
Anytime this has happened to me, the majority of the pivot cup is in tact and it’s just the upper edge that kind of frays. Changing them out isn’t really necessary.
I tried a friend's board that had AF1s instead of classics on it and WOW the difference in grind is insane, AF1s feel hard and icy like indys, classics feel so soft in comparison. Bummed I didn't just buy AF1s now.
Set up a rain/slappy deck today with a set of 55 classics. I only cruised around a little (it’s dark and drizzling) but WOW. I left the trucks exactly how they came. I feel almost as sturdy on center as with my ventures, but when I want to turn goddamn can I turn. Nice and carvy like Indy, but if I really put my weight behind a back bolt I get this super tight turn. These are amazing.
first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
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first day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
(https://i.ibb.co/RzqhSk0/IMG20230622191718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgFsWLw)
nope completely stock, i didn't even tighten the trucks and I'm 70kg it has been hot weather in the uk so idk if that effects the urethane making the pivot cups blow out really fast, i skated the standard af1 during the winter and didn't have any problemExpand Quotefirst day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
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Did you change anything from stock? No bottom washer, different bushings or something like that?
Fore sure weather is a factor. I always have a hard time readjusting my skating from Winter to Summer time. It sucks.nope completely stock, i didn't even tighten the trucks and I'm 70kg it has been hot weather in the uk so idk if that effects the urethane making the pivot cups blow out really fast, i skated the standard af1 during the winter and didn't have any problemExpand QuoteExpand Quotefirst day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
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Did you change anything from stock? No bottom washer, different bushings or something like that?[close]
Interesting idea ACE is doing where you can pick the hanger , baseplate and bushings;
www.instagram.com/p/Ct1vjXMp_oW/
https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
Expand Quotefirst day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
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My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.
First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back
Maybe a dumb question, but if I try ace low bushings will it change the height/geo of the trucks?
do you know if indy pivot cups fit flush?Expand QuoteExpand Quotefirst day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
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My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.
First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back[close]
I once used the Krux pivot cups on an old set of Aces. I used a razor blade to cut the cup flush with the baseplate and didn’t have any issues.
do you know if indy pivot cups fit flush?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotefirst day skating the replacement trucks they sent me and already blown out the front pivot cup, this deck isn't symmetrical like my other setup so it doesn't trigger me as much, still my favourite trucks and really great people behind the company just that issue is annoying.
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My af-1 pivot cups blew out as well, but not that quickly (took about a month of sloppy slappies) but still needed to be replaced from the looks of it. The only ones I had lying around were Krux pivot cups.
First observations: the Krux cup fits all the way to the bottom and went into place easily, but feels way harder than the af-1 pivot cups and is a bit taller than the af-1 cupholder. Not sure how/if that will affect the trucks. The hanger fits snug without wiggle room but I'm definitely wondering if the excess height and hardness will be some sort of hindrance. Regardless, I'm gonna give the Krux cups in the af-1 66s a go and I'll report back[close]
I once used the Krux pivot cups on an old set of Aces. I used a razor blade to cut the cup flush with the baseplate and didn’t have any issues.[close]
Nope, RIPtides do it too. I'm not sure if Indy sells them as an aftermarket option but their stock pivot cups ever since they moved to China are like indestructibly hard plastic and they fit AF1's perfectly fine. They will not fit classics though.
I agree, really cool option. Even the bushing hardness option is a huge win
Expand QuoteI agree, really cool option. Even the bushing hardness option is a huge win[close]
I feel like the hard bushings are mandatory for full grown adults.
I know that's just my personal taste but they really made my AF1s so much better for me
Maybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.Their store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
did you notice it change how they turned compared to the soft ace cups?Expand QuoteNope, RIPtides do it too. I'm not sure if Indy sells them as an aftermarket option but their stock pivot cups ever since they moved to China are like indestructibly hard plastic and they fit AF1's perfectly fine. They will not fit classics though.[close]
Their store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shopExpand QuoteMaybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.[close]
Expand QuoteTheir store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shopExpand QuoteMaybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.[close][close]
https://shop.ccs.com/collections/jts-chop-shop?_pos=1&_psq=Jt&_ss=e&_v=1.0
CCS also has some of this stuff available.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteTheir store is through Mesa Skate Supply now. Not sure if the store link on the Ace Trucks site is still active/usable. Here’s the build your own: https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shopExpand QuoteMaybe I'm not seeing it but their site doesn't have the custom truck option and for whatever reason their web store throws insecure connection warnings.[close][close]
https://shop.ccs.com/collections/jts-chop-shop?_pos=1&_psq=Jt&_ss=e&_v=1.0
CCS also has some of this stuff available.[close]
What I immediately see with that is you can buy just a hanger or just a baseplate if needed.
That is probably the main thing with the parts that really could make things way more interesting, as I have often pulled apart brand new trucks for people over the years, more often if someone breaks something, it is out of warranty, but they want to keep riding that setup, without getting a whole new set of trucks, so they just get a single hanger, or baseplate and can keep going with the rest of whatever they have.
I have only done it with Standard trucks, no colourways or special editions, but over the years I have ended up with a whole lot of singles of various things and they have come in handy for helping people with this and that.
Just to make sure, I can order the af1 low baseplate and use my regular af1 hanger?.yes
Running lows on my regular board and I want to try on my egg
Oh boy… thanks. Ordering now since I’m pretty sure I got a mesa code in my emailyesExpand QuoteJust to make sure, I can order the af1 low baseplate and use my regular af1 hanger?.
Running lows on my regular board and I want to try on my egg[close]
No hollow af1 hangers? Anybody know if they’ll start selling those individually?
indy pivot cups are slightly too small for aces
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i wanna try riptide but hard to get them in the uk without expensive shipping, the indy cups skate alright thoExpand Quoteindy pivot cups are slightly too small for aces
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The white Krux pivot cups replacements I put in my af1s have been holding up well after ~3 slappy sessions. there's no wiggle room or deformation that I'm seeing so the hanger still fits snug.
The Krux plastic is much harder than the ace cups so maybe that might hold up better for you if you need another option. I've seen people recommend riptide cups here quite a bit but I've never tried em so I can speak on that.
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions
Expand Quotedoes anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions[close]
I'd say mine got maybe slightly harder, but not by a meaningful degree.
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions
does anyone who uses the ace hard bushings know if they firm up over time or feel looser? the stock bushings feel like they get harder after a couple of sessions
think if they made some bushings with a 89a bottom/ 94a top that would be perfect for me, having 2 94a bushings feel too tight i was hoping they would get looser like bones hards eventually feel like new mediums
yeah think i will try that tbh, the 91a tops get destroyed fast tooExpand Quotethink if they made some bushings with a 89a bottom/ 94a top that would be perfect for me, having 2 94a bushings feel too tight i was hoping they would get looser like bones hards eventually feel like new mediums[close]
could just replace the top bushings with hard tops and have 86a/94a
pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
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pivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
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Expand Quotepivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
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How common is this issue because I have never had mine explode like that?
i think it depends how you skate, i bash into curbs and wall rides a lotExpand Quotepivot cups didn't even last a day absolute dogshit lol
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How common is this issue because I have never had mine explode like that?
Personally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?
Expand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.[close]
I was able to hand-thread the stupid self-threading nut onto the axle when it was brand new, so after a few weeks I just picked up a little baggy of maybe a dozen or so 5/16" Nylocs from the hardware store and swapped everything out.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.[close]
I was able to hand-thread the stupid self-threading nut onto the axle when it was brand new, so after a few weeks I just picked up a little baggy of maybe a dozen or so 5/16" Nylocs from the hardware store and swapped everything out.[close]
I keep checking for 5/16" Nylocs any time I'm at a hardware store, but they only ever have the full height ones.
i don't understand why they didn't just use normal nuts since they include a axle rethreader anywayExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
I'm with ya, still like them, but I have one other gripe: the hardware is fucking terrible, weak nylock on the nuts that barely holds once you've swapped wheels or bushings a few times. Just put regular cheap ass non rethreading nuts on them please! Ace washers are way better though, and the don't shred the bushings like Indy's. My local shop has been sold out of regular axle nuts for ages because people with Ace's bought em all.
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
Expand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuotePersonally I don't see what polyurethane offers than a hard, injection-molded plastic does not. Why do I want my pivot to be softer?[close]
This exactly!
Ive actually switched from Ace back to Indy because Indy's felt more responsive and solid.[close]
I am also back on Indys. I've still got my Aces and I'm sure I'll get a wild hair and skate them again one day, but the Indys have ~90% of the carve of the Ace while feeling to me significantly more stable, and in addition to that, they grind better.[close]
While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?[close]
Agreed. Ace just feel more predictable and comfortable all through the tun. Something about Indy feels a little off to me since I started riding Ace... might be due to the height...
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While Aces can turn more I thought they were more stable on center?[close]
Agreed. Ace just feel more predictable and comfortable all through the tun. Something about Indy feels a little off to me since I started riding Ace... might be due to the height...[close]
I've enjoyed the Indy Forged Hollows and Forged Titaniums which are both 53,5mm in height, making them pretty similar height-wise as compared to Aces.
As for Ace Classics compared to Indys, I can't handle the super short wheelbase anymore it seems. Screws up my pop and high-speed transition feels awkward. On a 14.2 / 14.38 "normal" wb deck that is.
thunder pivot cups fit af1s really well and don't blow out, also using polished hangers on the theories baseplates look really good
(https://i.ibb.co/nBDYvDh/IMG20230630160653.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zFSBYSK)
i tried some white krux pivot cups also and they was too big to even fit inside the baseplate so krux must have different sizesExpand Quotethunder pivot cups fit af1s really well and don't blow out, also using polished hangers on the theories baseplates look really good
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Hell yeah, glad you found a pivot cup solution that works for you. I'm on session 4 of the white krux cup and it's holding up really well. No deformation or warp.
That hanger/baseplate color combo is classy. If my AF-1 66s are too big for the 8.5 G096 deck, I'll probably do the inverse colorway of a black 55 hanger with my current polished baseplate.
i wouldn't skate aces on anything below 14.25wbSkating lows on a 14” wheelbase and it’s been great
Skating lows on a 14” wheelbase and it’s been greatExpand Quotei wouldn't skate aces on anything below 14.25wb[close]
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s
how do aces feel with 1/8 risers, thinking about getting some 58mm radial fulls on my af1 66s
So it really it for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.
Right. I guess it is more to do with the risers helping the pop angle seeing that ace bring the wheelbase in a bit?Expand QuoteSo it really it for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.[close]
Pop feel for me. I can use at least 54mm wheels with Aces without risers without any issues. I know people have been using much bigger wheels too. With 1/8” risers the equivalent to 54mm wheels would be 60mm when it comes to wheelbite tolerance. I will still get wheelbite with 50mm wheels and 1/8” risers but with Aces the wheelbite is always very predictable and thus not an issue.
What’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?it depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truck
When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.
it depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truckExpand QuoteWhat’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?
When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.[close]
Right. I guess it is more to do with the risers helping the pop angle seeing that ace bring the wheelbase in a bit?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteSo it really it for helping the pop, or for running bigger wheels? On 52mm with af1 66 hollow, no risers.[close]
Pop feel for me. I can use at least 54mm wheels with Aces without risers without any issues. I know people have been using much bigger wheels too. With 1/8” risers the equivalent to 54mm wheels would be 60mm when it comes to wheelbite tolerance. I will still get wheelbite with 50mm wheels and 1/8” risers but with Aces the wheelbite is always very predictable and thus not an issue.[close]
what size is that deck at the trucks?Expand Quoteit depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truckExpand QuoteWhat’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?
When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.[close][close]
I put some Ace AF1s 55 on a cruiser Heroin Egg 9.4, and with 2 spacers inside and some radial fulls, and it's pretty dang close to being flush.
what size is that deck at the trucks?Expand QuoteExpand Quoteit depends what wheels you have also 66s with radial fulls and 2 spacers inside is very flush on a 9 inch deck, if you have classics you might want a quarter inch bigger truckExpand QuoteWhat’s the skinniest deck you guys would run with AF1 55s (8.75)?
When I put 66s on 9 inch boards, it seems there is a bit of magic carpet, so I’m wondering how much smaller you can go from ‘official size’ until it actually starts to hot rod.[close][close]
I put some Ace AF1s 55 on a cruiser Heroin Egg 9.4, and with 2 spacers inside and some radial fulls, and it's pretty dang close to being flush.[close]
Thank you all!guess you mean the classic 55s? they would be fine on a 8.6 better than classic 44s imo but af1 60s would be perfect
I’m basically wondering if I can get away with 55’s for a deck that’s 8.6 at the trucks, or should go with 44’s. Looking at going with skinnier wheels.
guess you mean the classic 55s? they would be fine on a 8.6 better than classic 44s imo but af1 60s would be perfectExpand QuoteThank you all!
I’m basically wondering if I can get away with 55’s for a deck that’s 8.6 at the trucks, or should go with 44’s. Looking at going with skinnier wheels.[close]
probably an already answered question somewhere in this thread but, searching can be tricky sometimesshould probably stay with indy tbh they grind better and are way more durable especially the pivot cups but ace just turn the best and look really good
My gotos are Indy 149 hollow forged.
I skated a pair of Ace Classics a while back and really enjoyed them, felt really similar to Indys (maybe you can carve a bit further with Aces) but i finally went back to Indys for some reason.
Since then AF1 were released and i just got a couple pairs at the shop and i'm tempted to try AF1 60s
In a few words, what should i expect from them compared to Hollow Forged Indys / Ace Classics ?
im with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1sclassics turn slightly better i think but that's because the wheelbase is a bit smaller
Ace 33 AF1 Polished Silver for 9.99does anyone here skate aces ride 7.75 - 8 inch decks and buy from zumiez?
https://www.zumiez.com/ace-33-af1-polished-silver-skateboard-truck.html
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My friend went up board sizes and gifted a set of af1 44 hollows. I loved the 44 classics but they were just way too heavy especially once my legs started getting tired during a long sesh. Looking forward to seeing if these are light enough for me.
I find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s. If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.
Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics
should probably stay with indy tbh they grind better and are way more durable especially the pivot cups but ace just turn the best and look really good
classics turn slightly better i think but that's because the wheelbase is a bit smallerExpand Quoteim with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1s[close]
I find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s. If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.
Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics but have some instability on center like Stage 11s. ts just not as smooth or as predictable turn as an Ace. This might be height related.
I also prefer the pop feel on Ace. It suits my sluggishness. (If I were a young sprightly man on my game, I think the Thunder pop would be better.)
I think my brain and body are just used to Ace now, so I'm, certainly biased. However, its really not that hard to adapt between Ace and Indy and I don't think it is worth switching unless you really need new trucks.
Expand Quoteshould probably stay with indy tbh they grind better and are way more durable especially the pivot cups but ace just turn the best and look really good[close]Expand QuoteExpand Quoteim with you @BALARGUE - been on 55 classics for a bit now with 8.5 decks, but curious about the turn on the hollow af1s[close]
classics turn slightly better i think but that's because the wheelbase is a bit smaller[close]
thanks guysExpand QuoteI find the Ace turn better than Indy. (Sharper and deeper) but also feel more comfortable and predictable on center than Indy.
Classics turn slightly better than Af1s. If there was an 8.75" Ace in a Classic, I'd probably stick to that.
Stage 4 Indy turn even better than Ace classics but have some instability on center like Stage 11s. ts just not as smooth or as predictable turn as an Ace. This might be height related.
I also prefer the pop feel on Ace. It suits my sluggishness. (If I were a young sprightly man on my game, I think the Thunder pop would be better.)
I think my brain and body are just used to Ace now, so I'm, certainly biased. However, its really not that hard to adapt between Ace and Indy and I don't think it is worth switching unless you really need new trucks.[close]
thanks for the feedback
i actually need new trucks ;)
i really like the way Indys grind but i did like that stability you're talking about on Ace Classics.
I'm torned ahha
had to buy some more ace af1 hollows for my other setup, it's really hard to skate other trucks after skating acesHow do the 60’s fit on that?
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fit perfectly, i had 55s on this before but the 60s are way more stableHow do the 60’s fit on that?Expand Quotehad to buy some more ace af1 hollows for my other setup, it's really hard to skate other trucks after skating aces
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I’m thinking of almost the exacting same set-up.
(https://i.ibb.co/TvFFkRn/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TvFFkRn)you should get some 7/8 hardware or 1 inch at least lol
Bought these for a shaped cruiser and loved them so much I put them on an 8.5” Polar I dried out and regripped. The axel sticks out about 1/8” but the added hangar width is gonna be great for pools and tranny, which I’m going to get more into as soon as my local park is done.
you should get some 7/8 hardware or 1 inch at least lolExpand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/TvFFkRn/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TvFFkRn)
Bought these for a shaped cruiser and loved them so much I put them on an 8.5” Polar I dried out and regripped. The axel sticks out about 1/8” but the added hangar width is gonna be great for pools and tranny, which I’m going to get more into as soon as my local park is done.[close]
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ace hollow hardware is actually a cool gimmick
Saw Joey T sampling some ikp aces on Instagram
Fuck with your trucks has them on his story.Expand QuoteSaw Joey T sampling some ikp aces on Instagram[close]
Looking for this but can’t find it. This would be amazing.
I havent boughten Aces yet and im looking at a pair for a 9.25 w/ a 14.43wb deck (BA’s shaped deck). Anyone got any recommendations on what size I should grab? Im hoping to set it up as more of a cruiser with probably 55mm wheels on it.
I've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?You can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fire
You can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fireExpand QuoteI've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?[close]
Expand QuoteYou can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fireExpand QuoteI've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?[close][close]
I think I may have fucked up and stripped the screws using a drill, I meant to mention that but got distracted. Otherwise of course you can. But these bitches won't fucking move. Better hope I enjoy them then XD
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYou can actually remove screws using a screwdriver. Shit's fireExpand QuoteI've skated since 2003 and this is the first time I've tried deck rails, is there anyway I can remove these if I fucking hate them?[close][close]
I think I may have fucked up and stripped the screws using a drill, I meant to mention that but got distracted. Otherwise of course you can. But these bitches won't fucking move. Better hope I enjoy them then XD[close]
in that case if you really hate them, dremel + pliers
Expand QuoteI havent boughten Aces yet and im looking at a pair for a 9.25 w/ a 14.43wb deck (BA’s shaped deck). Anyone got any recommendations on what size I should grab? Im hoping to set it up as more of a cruiser with probably 55mm wheels on it.[close]
AF1 66 sounds about right on a 9.25 shaped deck with normal wheels. Maybe 60s if you’re going with a super wide cruiser wheel (mini Super Juice or something similar in profile).
Anyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.I've also only read that it's super difficult to get it out, but there's a guy at my local who said it wasn't that bad. He built some angled wood thing to hold the baseplate and then hammered it out
Anyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.
Expand QuoteAnyone here hammer out their AF1 kingpins? I think someone was saying it's like trying to hammer out a kingpin from a forged plate, so I was wondering what does the trick to get them out.[close]
af1 hollows we’re tough to get out. stripped the shit outta the threads in doing so
It works to an extent but you'll need to make sure you have enough axle thread to have the nuts lock on properly and you still won't get the set up as wide as with 60s. You could also go with wider wheels with a wider contact patch to push things out.
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was wondering about running 3 washers on the inside of my 55's in an attempt to make them fit a bit more like some 60's would on an 8.75 deck.
Does that make any sense lol? I know it's not possible to make the hanger itself longer, but my thinking is that pushing the wheels out a couple mm on each end will bring me closer to a truer fit/less magic carpet on the 8.75 and expose a lil more hanger. Is that how this works? This is my first time messing with more washers than usual, in fact I usually have one or fewer and lots of play in the wheel. @Mbrimson88 8 know you do this with 149 indys. My goal is to make transition feel a little better as I struggle with backside grinds when I have magic carpet happening.
I don't fuck with extra washers anymore after having an axle nut tighten while riding down a hill and bind the wheel, and two times having an axle nut fall off.
Not worth it, in my opinion. Just ride what you have how it's meant to be ridden, or buy new trucks.
They wisely avoided calling them the ‘88s’.
Just in case, 44 classics are perfect on a 8.38"
Expand QuoteJust in case, 44 classics are perfect on a 8.38"[close]
Yeah i havent tried them with an 8.28 deck yet, but the hanger just looks a little small even on my 8.25 deck so i think it might look even weirder one a 8.38 (just personal preference). I did just find out about the chop shop on mesa website. I already have a set of the ace bushings still brand new, so i can piece my own colorway of af1s together for only 55 bucks. I might go that route tbh
Expand Quotei keep blowing out ace pivot cups does anyone know what other brand fits the best? not sure if i should try some thunder or indy cups
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe only Riptide fit for AF-1s. (other than the Ace af-1 pivots themselves)
https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/ace-af-1-pivot-cups/
Looks like the 10" 80s are out.
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my madness keeps kicking in heavy lately.....i rode indy for 20 yrs and made the switch to ace classic 44s about 5 months ago and love them on 8.25 decks. Recently i have been wanting to skate an 8.38 deck again and keep wondering if i should skate indy 149s on it and go back to indy or get some 8.5 af1s. The aces have been good for me so far, but i also never really had an issue with indys either. My brain has been all over the lace just thinking about trucks the past 2 weeks lol
Put the indys on this morning before the sesh at the park to make sure i was fully switched to ace....and yeah im full on converted to ace. The indys were wiggly and more squirly to me than the ace, but that didnt equate to a good of turn as my ace classics. Somehow the aces feel way more stable but turn way better to me. They also just look and feel better too. Had to make sure and im sure ace are the way to go!
Expand QuotePut the indys on this morning before the sesh at the park to make sure i was fully switched to ace....and yeah im full on converted to ace. The indys were wiggly and more squirly to me than the ace, but that didnt equate to a good of turn as my ace classics. Somehow the aces feel way more stable but turn way better to me. They also just look and feel better too. Had to make sure and im sure ace are the way to go![close]
Yep. I feel the same.
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows? I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot. I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect. I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ). These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well.
Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
Expand QuoteAnyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows? I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot. I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect. I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ). These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well.
Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.[close]
I enjoy the lows
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows? I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot. I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect. I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ). These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well.
Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
Got room for 3 or 4 washers depending on amount of play on my af1 55'sWhy give yourself less options?
Thinking about using the rethreader nuts as a guide and taking off 1/16" from each side of the axles with a cutting wheel so it'll be able to run two washers and axle will be 8 3/8
Got room for 3 or 4 washers depending on amount of play on my af1 55's
Thinking about using the rethreader nuts as a guide and taking off 1/16" from each side of the axles with a cutting wheel so it'll be able to run two washers and axle will be 8 3/8
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows? I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot. I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect. I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ). These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well.
Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
is there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.
Expand Quoteis there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.[close]
I blew the bushings out of some old Indy 159s and swapped in some salvaged Ace Classic bushings, and I found it to make up a decent percentage of the difference between Ace and Indy.
is there any way i can make my indie forged hollow 169s feel like my ace 66s. i have venture loose conversion kit on the indies they make it sit pretty inward but I'm not really sure how inward it would have to be geometry wise. also have been riding with the front truck looser and the back truck tighter if that makes any difference.Yes, sell them and buy 66s.
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows? I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot. I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect. I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ). These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well.Been running them with the hards and 53’s and have been for about a year. Wanted a low truck and venture didn’t have a low in the size I wanted so I went with ace and I don’t have any plans to change right now. Pretty sure it’s the 33? 8.25 width
Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
Anyone have long-term success skating the AF1 lows? I made (what I think) is going to be a logical gear decision and decided to give them another shot. I like trucks that don’t extend the wheelbase as much (like Ace and Indy) and I also like low trucks (like Venture lows, which I was most recently skating), so theoretically the Ace lows should be perfect. I did pick up the hard bushings (recommended by @BartHarleyJarvis ). These are the 33’s… have been steadily sizing down my boards as well.
Just curious if anyone out there is enjoying the lows.
I want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?Ace hangers are usually shorter than other brands so you could go with the AF1 55 Hollows and your wheels won’t be as far apart as they would with most other 8.5 trucks. I’ve skated 8.38 boards with 8.5 trucks from other brands and that 1/8th of an inch was pretty unnoticeable in practice.
Ace hangers are usually shorter than other brands so you could go with the AF1 55 Hollows and your wheels won’t be as far apart as they would with most other 8.5 trucks. I’ve skated 8.38 boards with 8.5 trucks from other brands and that 1/8th of an inch was pretty unnoticeable in practice.Expand QuoteI want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?[close]
I want to size up to around an 8.38 board with 54mm wheels. It looks like the 44 classics are the way to go here, but is there an AF1 hollow option that fits as well?I ran the AF1 44 with 8.3 and it worked great. 8.25 axle but nothing a washer or two can’t fix
Hmmm. Now I have some decisions to make.begween the 44 or 55 AF1 for an 8.38
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but are the AF-1 low bushings the same height(s) as the classic low bushings?
Expand QuoteApologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but are the AF-1 low bushings the same height(s) as the classic low bushings?[close]
Yes
Expand QuoteOn my second session on the 55s. The turn still is not great, how long do these take to break in?
Also, I tried to grind my go to metal ledge. Coming from Indies, this just plain sucked. They don't even grind half as long with the same speed. Is there something you can do about this? Talking about brand new trucks here.
I was so disappointed but thought I'd give them a shot on a concrete ledge and surprisingly, the grind was ok. Should I even bother giving them a shot on a European granite curb for slappies... what do you reckon?[close]
If they’re Classics, change the washers. The stock ones are thick and too small. This has been an issue for me on almost all my Classics. Surprisingly though one set was ok with the stock washers.
Talk to me about classic 44s. I skate 8.3..14.38 wb. I like Indy but they are so damn high. The 44s are lower and the axle matches perfectly. Plz tell me if I’m missing something!
Thanks for the feedback ya’ll. It’s interesting because if I want to stay on Indy but I want the height of the classics I would have to go with an Indy mid which would be heavier than the classics.
Set up a new deck yesterday and noticed these small cracks going on under the pivot cup on my af1 44 lows. Isn’t noticeable but i’m a bit bummed still.
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I put 169 Indy’s on a new deck and I immediately want to take them off. I think I’m done with Indy’s. At my advanced age the Ace wiggle is my favorite trick. Indy’s feel dull and floppy in comparison.
Ace 55 Classics are like a sports car in comparison…
Set up a new deck yesterday and noticed these small cracks going on under the pivot cup on my af1 44 lows. Isn’t noticeable but i’m a bit bummed still.
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i have af1’s right now, first time skating ace’s. they haven’t broken in yet but there is a horrible clanking noise every time i turn on the back truck. if i just apply pressure to them on either side with my hands they make the noise. anyone else had this problem? should i just swap out the bushings or what? i also ride really lose so it’s definitely not a problem with them being too tight.
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?As Fuck.
Less than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s
Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?
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Expand QuoteLess than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s
Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during break in but I've never seen that.
You’re right it looks like the washer is cutting into the bushing. They’re pretty soft but had just started to harden up too. Oh well. Will swing by the shop and check for some low bushingsExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLess than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s
Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during break in but I've never seen that.[close]
Maybe the top washer is cutting the bushing?
I had that happen on my Indy’s and I took the bottom washer off an extra truck and moved it to the top washer. Problem went away.
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?Aye foo
I would hit that warranty emailExpand QuoteLess than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s
Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during break in but I've never seen that.
I keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.
Thanks for the advice. Hit the warranty and they sent an apologetic message and some bushings out pretty quick. Thankful.I would hit that warranty emailExpand QuoteExpand QuoteLess than 5 sessions on a new set of hollow lows 44s
Looks like the top bushing is already crumbling from my little crooks slappies. Maybe I should have cruised on them more to break them in? I’m gonna try to replace them quick before I start grinding down the axle and can’t. Anyone else hold off on crooks until they stiffen up more?
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The bushings can bulge and feel a little fragile during break in but I've never seen that.[close]
Expand QuoteI keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.[close]
Have your kingpins rattled loose? This happened to me with both of my Ace Classics.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI keep tightening my aces, but for some reason they keep loosening. Am I going crazy or are they suppose to do that. I have 2.5 threads showing in the back truck but it feels looser than my front with half a thread showing. I must be going insane, better check into the mental hospital.[close]
Have your kingpins rattled loose? This happened to me with both of my Ace Classics.[close]
One other thing I notice is the back truck bushings always compress more than the front on my boards, so even try switching the bushings around - front now in the back, back now in the front.
Compared to changing hangers or other things that make it just weird, bushings usually don't feel too bad or acan even give you a better ride for a while, but I will also try to put them in the same way / same facings as where they were, just switched between trucks.
Some sets of Ace trucks I have had traded in have such stiff feeling bushings, but others feel so mushy and have very little resistance, so it is an interesting thing, given the people who had them say they are still stock bushings in them.
Maybe some people would benefit from having a set of the Ace hard bushings in the back truck and the regular bushings in the front truck too, or even combinations of each, but again, mark which are which so it is not a bad mix and match and you end up with them in the wrong trucks.
One set of Ace trucks that came in had about three to four threads showing, but the bushings felt great on them, not at all tight or squashed feeling, so I just used the angle grinder and took down the kingpins, so now they work well, more clearance and fewer issues all up. Just went really easy on the grinder so I didn't cook the bushings, which can happen if you go too hard on it - they bubble and just melt.
Just a few thoughts anyway.
is ace hollow hardware any good? kinda thinking they will cave in if bashed into a wall/coping.Can’t speak on durability but I’m not a huge fan. Tightening them all the way down was difficult because of the teeth. No clue how the ads had people not using an Allen wrench with them, I had to use one and grip the skate tool as hard as I could to get them all the way down.
is ace hollow hardware any good? kinda thinking they will cave in if bashed into a wall/coping.
Ace hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.
Anyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?
Expand QuoteAce hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.[close]
twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.
Expand QuoteAnyone knows what the 'AF' actually stands for?[close]
Arthur Fonzarelli?
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Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAce hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.[close]
twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.[close]
Compared to AR (not painted) allen shake junt hardware (both 7/8)
My wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
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The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)
been having problems with axle stall because my front truck slips to the heel side wheel instead of being stable, making it very jarring so i run off my board. is there any way to fix that besides learning to grind a ledge. (i don't know how to do that yet because i'm still in the beginning stages)
I remeasured and you’re right, I made a mistake, I was weighing titanium hardware I painted black. The sj hardware and ace hollow weigh the same.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAce hollow hardware weighs twice as much as my regular hardware. Don’t forget it’s got grips added and a wider head than usual to accommodate the hollow-ness.[close]
twice as much compared to what? wider heads had been the norm until shorty's and a lot of people still prefer it.[close]
Compared to AR (not painted) allen shake junt hardware (both 7/8)[close]
the bolts themselves should weigh the same. twice as much would be a huge dif.Expand QuoteMy wife just bought a kitchen scale so I decided to do a little test between the Ace Hollow hardware and the Shorty's Lights that I normally use. All sets are 7/8 allen.
(https://i.imgur.com/naO3Nzr.jpg)
The bolts themselves weigh the exact same, so the only weight savings comes with the thinner nuts that Shorty's uses. Could pair the Ace bolts with the Shorty's nuts to at least get the benefit of potentially not needing to use an allen key and Ace's claim that their bolts don't cause griptape swirls (that's never been a problem for me anyway as long as you only tighten from the nut side)[close]
Jacopo really makes them look good. I should probably set them up.
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.Are you riding classic lows?
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
I only had this issue on old aces. On my af1 I had no issue and they’re perfect.Expand QuoteI bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.[close]
You’re not tripping. I tried putting hard bushings in a pair of AF1s and I could barely get the nut on. They also barely turned. I compared them to the Indy stage 4 bushings and they are the same size.
I bought some ace hard bushings for my classics. I went to put them in and they seem way too big for the truck. Am I tripping or anyone else noticed this? Once I put the bushings and washers on there was only like 1cm of kingpin to put my nut on and tighten it down.
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...
Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...
Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.
After a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...
Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.
Since classics feel lighter when skating (my opinion), do AF1 hollows feel similar to classics?This is exactly what I do, and I love them. I also use the Acer titanium axle and kingpin nuts to really get the madness flowing on the weight
Thinking about getting hollows and putting them on AF1 low baseplates for the lightest ace possible.
I dont know if this had happen to anyone else but my bottom bushing on my af1 is about 1mm shorter than the other one. I dont know if this is a defect and will it effect my turning. Any guesses?
I think I’m going to get fresh bushings for a second time for the af1 44s. When the bushings are *super broken in they feel so soft and get too squirrely for me. I need to order dem hard bushings.I mean… This may be a little TOO on the nose given my account name, but *THAT’s when they finally start feeling right in my estimation, but to own their each, as thems said.
I mean… This may be a little TOO on the nose given my account name, but *THAT’s when they finally start feeling right in my estimation, but to own their each, as thems said.Expand QuoteI think I’m going to get fresh bushings for a second time for the af1 44s. When the bushings are *super broken in they feel so soft and get too squirrely for me. I need to order dem hard bushings.[close]
Plenty out there. SoCal has some.
Expand QuotePlenty out there. SoCal has some.[close]
Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.
Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.
Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get
Expand QuotePlenty out there. SoCal has some.[close]
Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.
Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.
Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get
I prefer Ace for transition in general, especially bowl skating. I haven’t skated the stage 4, but standard Indy’s have the advantage of a better grind on pool coping and stability for skating giant vert rampsExpand QuotePlenty out there. SoCal has some.[close]
Thanks for that. Tried calling most my local shops and no one had em.
Now to decide if I want to grab the classic 44’s or a set of the Indy stage 4’s.
Haven’t skated ace in a while and I loved my old pair of classics I had years ago for the quick turn. These would be for an alternate setup to fuck around and only skate transition on. Someone convince me what to get
Expand QuoteAfter a year os so on AF1s, I threw my Classics back on this weekend and my oh my what a truck. For whatever reason, I skate better on Classics. Might have to go back to them full time... If only there was a Classic 8.75"...
Anyway, hard bushings fit just fine... maybe a bit more of a squeeze but great once broken in.[close]
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu3Gmj5Mo9U/
take some 55's down to 8.75" with this. you'd need to shorten and re tap your axles. that was the wrong clip but there's another one where they remove quite a bit of material fairly easily.
Does anyone know the bushing heights for both low and regular aftermarket ace bushings?
Expand QuoteDoes anyone know the bushing heights for both low and regular aftermarket ace bushings?[close]
Back on page 147 here and also the bushing thread, I had put up a list of all the main brainds.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg3509299#msg3509299
Ace low
Total 22 mm
Top 10 mm
Bottom 12 mm
Ace classic
Total 26 mm
Top 12 mm
Bottom 14 mm
https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/bushings-parts
I thought they had them on the Ace site too, but only the duro of the bushings.
Ace Classic and AF1 are the same, from what I can recall.
Ryan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vidNice, he used to skate for Krux right?
Yeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.Nice, he used to skate for Krux right?Expand QuoteRyan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid[close]
Do all AF1 lows come with hollow kingpins?Yeah, and they somehow weigh exactly as much as regular height AF1 hollows. Lotta weight in that regular baseplate.
Yeah, and they somehow weigh exactly as much as regular height AF1 hollows. Lotta weight in that regular baseplate.Expand QuoteDo all AF1 lows come with hollow kingpins?[close]
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups? I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.
I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1. Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups? I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.
I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1. Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?
Expand QuoteWhat’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups? I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.
I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1. Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?[close]
That‘s a pretty long time for AF1 pivot cups.
Thunder replacement pivot cups are the #1 workaround. :)
Riptides for AF1s are expensive but don‘t fit properly.
Yeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.Expand QuoteNice, he used to skate for Krux right?Expand QuoteRyan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid[close][close]
Expand QuoteYeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.Expand QuoteNice, he used to skate for Krux right?Expand QuoteRyan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid[close][close][close]
Ryan is upgrading big time
Welcome -> Sci Fi Fantasy
Etnies -> NB
Krux -> Ace
Is he still on Orbs? Prob not I'm gunna guess he's getting Spitfire boxes now too
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteYeah used to ride for Krux. Funny that he went from trucks famous for not turning to the turniest truck on the market.Expand QuoteNice, he used to skate for Krux right?Expand QuoteRyan Lay on AF1 in the new Gifted Hater vid[close][close][close]
Ryan is upgrading big time
Welcome -> Sci Fi Fantasy
Etnies -> NB
Krux -> Ace
Is he still on Orbs? Prob not I'm gunna guess he's getting Spitfire boxes now too[close]
He’s riding dragons in that GH review despite the disclaimer about riding for orbs. “Ryan definitely didn’t trade 4 sets of orbs for a set of dragons at cowtown.
What’s everyone’s verdict with the AF1 pivot cups? I blew through the pivot cup (it tore down the length of the urethane) within 45 minutes of setting them up.
I’m going through a bout of truck madness after not getting along with some Indy’s for the last couple weeks and just setup these again but put in new Indy pivot cups which are a bit shorter than AF1. Are there better options than this (that are not $20 riptides.). Anyone try the mini logo white cups in AF1?
The last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.Dude either you have a massive screen or you're a hawk.
Dude either you have a massive screen or you're a hawk.Expand QuoteThe last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.[close]
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.
The last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.
i ride full conicals in 58mmExpand QuoteI've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.[close]
There isn't much difference really in my opinion between 9 and 8.75" considering how well they lock in. I skate both axle sizes regularly. What size and shape of a wheel do you have because it also matters. I dont think downsizing trucks will fix your issue.
Expand QuoteThe last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.[close]
I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.
And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteThe last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.[close]
I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.
And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.[close]
he riding af155s?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteThe last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.[close]
I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.
And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.[close]
he riding af155s?[close]
Wish he still rode the Hiuffer/ Phawt shape. I always thought those decks made his skateboarding look even better and vice versa. Ace really suit that shape also.
I have no idea which model anything, I just saw him skating and he was on a Crail popsicle with Ace trucks. Didn’t quiz him on his setup.
Expand QuoteI have no idea which model anything, I just saw him skating and he was on a Crail popsicle with Ace trucks. Didn’t quiz him on his setup.[close]
Old man rules... No equipment chat until at least one hour of skateboarding... Its all downhill when we start talking nanocubics...
Last time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.
Expand QuoteLast time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.[close]
I didn't grow up watching pros at my non-existent skatepark. Now he's a regular at my local and I'm not sure if every pro is so consistently good or if CK1 is actually just the one of the best pro skaters who ever lived.
Expand QuoteLast time I saw CK in the wild was a few months back and I don’t think anybody would even get a chance to start asking him about his setup cuz he was steady ripping Mach 10 speed the entire time.[close]
I didn't grow up watching pros at my non-existent skatepark. Now he's a regular at my local and I'm not sure if every pro is so consistently good or if CK1 is actually just the one of the best pro skaters who ever lived.
i ride full conicals in 58mmExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.[close]
There isn't much difference really in my opinion between 9 and 8.75" considering how well they lock in. I skate both axle sizes regularly. What size and shape of a wheel do you have because it also matters. I dont think downsizing trucks will fix your issue.[close]
Never tried the Ace hard bushings in Classics, always had them in Af1s. But boi do these feel awesome.
Expand QuoteThe last Crailtap Weak Days clip has CK1 looking to be riding Ace also.[close]
I’ve seen them IRL and CK1 is definitely an Ace Pilot these days.
And yeah, I’m kinda under the impression that any pro not on another truck brand can get a pair or two for free.
I've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.
Expand QuoteI've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.[close]
I downsized from an 8.75 on classic 55’s to an 8.5 on classic 44’s because if I didn’t crosslock my back fifty’s on chunky pool coping and had both trucks heelside, the board would fall into the transition. Downsizing fixed this, but I want that extra board under my feet…
Considering putting Indy 159 hangers on Ace classic baseplates to get that 8.75 sweet spot? Or maybe hot ridding the 9” 55’s on an 8.75 was the issue?
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI've been thinking about downsizing from 9" hangers to 8.75" hangers. is there any differences in feeling ,lock in ,carve, pinch. I skate only transition but have been wondering if a shorter hanger would help because I keep sliding off when I try to get into a 50-50 or axle stall, in my mind a shorter hanger would mean I would have to try to get on top more thus my weight is on the top of the ramp. but then again I could just be pussying out.[close]
I downsized from an 8.75 on classic 55’s to an 8.5 on classic 44’s because if I didn’t crosslock my back fifty’s on chunky pool coping and had both trucks heelside, the board would fall into the transition. Downsizing fixed this, but I want that extra board under my feet…
Considering putting Indy 159 hangers on Ace classic baseplates to get that 8.75 sweet spot? Or maybe hot ridding the 9” 55’s on an 8.75 was the issue?[close]
Wider wheels? or AF1 60s? I know the Classics turn better but AF1s are still closer to Classics than Indys. You can also purchase just the hangers.
Also did you get a good groove going? Newer trucks don't lock in as well... I know you know that son.
Never ridden a Welcome myself but that setup looks real tidy.
Is it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.
Is it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.
Expand QuoteIs it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.[close]
Ace will tell you no but anything is possible. Mofos mix and match brands. Bam is mixing a Thunder front with an Ace back truck. There are no rules. Be safe, grind hard and let us know how it goes.
Are Classics 52 or 53mm tall?
Expand QuoteAre Classics 52 or 53mm tall?[close]
52mm.
Expand QuoteIs it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.[close]
i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.[close]
i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.[close]
This is such a funny call out. I am admittedly a truck hoarder, but I'm not a Dr. Truckenstein a la @PuffinMuffin
The most i've done is put some ace hard bushings on AF1s, otherwise all my trucks are stock!
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteIs it possible to run af1 axles on classic baseplates or will my trucks get messed up? Tried them like that quickly and they feel great. Classics baseplate and bushings, Af1 60s axle.[close]
i’m sure @BartHarleyJarvis or one of those other fiendish truck dr moreau types has gone in….ace classic turn with a stronger hanger. could be sick.[close]
This is such a funny call out. I am admittedly a truck hoarder, but I'm not a Dr. Truckenstein a la @PuffinMuffin
The most i've done is put some ace hard bushings on AF1s, otherwise all my trucks are stock![close]
mistaken identity! i fucked up.
i thought it was you that was putting the ace hangers on the indy baseplate (bass-ackwards move imo, so now i hafta eeeextra apologize: my b!)
I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
Expand QuoteI missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?[close]
Yes. 100% do it. My ace lows with hards might be my favorite set of trucks right now
@big_kev_215 can corroborate
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAre Classics 52 or 53mm tall?[close]
52mm.[close]
That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.
Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)
Ace AF1 53 mm tall
Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart
(https://i.ibb.co/QcjbB6G/Screenshot-20240113-071344-Edge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QcjbB6G)I'm sorry... Come again?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAre Classics 52 or 53mm tall?[close]
52mm.[close]
That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.
Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)
Ace AF1 53 mm tall
Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart[close]
It says 98mm actually, but 2,2". ;D
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Your Ace data seems off. Here are the correct heights (and yes, the Ace website gives the wrong info):
Ace Classics 52 mm
Ace AF1 53 mm
Ace AF1 Low 49 mm
98mm is 3.8’ ? Typo.
But yeah. 2.2” is 55mm. It’s off
From another threadExpand QuoteExpand Quote[close]
Your Ace data seems off. Here are the correct heights (and yes, the Ace website gives the wrong info):
Ace Classics 52 mm
Ace AF1 53 mm
Ace AF1 Low 49 mm[close]
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?[close]
Yes. 100% do it. My ace lows with hards might be my favorite set of trucks right now
@big_kev_215 can corroborate[close]
Thanks for the confirmation! Just bought a set.
I missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?
Expand QuoteI missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?[close]
I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.
(https://i.ibb.co/QcjbB6G/Screenshot-20240113-071344-Edge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QcjbB6G)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAre Classics 52 or 53mm tall?[close]
52mm.[close]
That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.
Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)
Ace AF1 53 mm tall
Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart[close]
It says 98mm actually, but 2,2". ;D
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?[close]
I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.[close]
I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?[close]
I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.[close]
I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1
Expand Quote(https://i.ibb.co/QcjbB6G/Screenshot-20240113-071344-Edge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QcjbB6G)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteAre Classics 52 or 53mm tall?[close]
52mm.[close]
That reminded me to go check the Ace size / info chart again - they still haven't fixed it and have Classics at 55 mm tall, which is incorrect.
Ace Classics 52 mm tall (as you said)
Ace AF1 53 mm tall
Ace AF1 Low at 49 mm tall.
https://www.acetrucks.com/sizing-chart[close]
It says 98mm actually, but 2,2". ;D[close]
* Sorry probably late to the party again.
Is that on the mobile version?
It comes up like this on the computer version / on my computer, but that could also be a cached image:
(https://i.ibb.co/XJx95ZX/Ace-incorrect-chart.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bs2m6VL)
Expand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand QuoteI missed having a wider board around so I recently bought a few blood wizard 8.5s (8.5x31.5x14.25) and set one up with Ace 60 lows, 1/16 risers, and 51mm spitfires. Gonna try and take it out to a curb spot this weekend.
They’re incredibly loose even with a couple threads showing. I’ve gotten so used to Thunders that it’s a little jarring. Anyone try Ace low hard bushings? Do they still allow for a deep carve without the crazy squirrelly feeling?[close]
I just went through a similar situation. I was on AF1’s for like 2 years and then switched to thunders on a whim, got really used to those and then tried going back to a new set of aces and felt like I was skating on a waterbed. I ended up setting up an older set of AF1’s to test a theory and although they were way more surfy than I had conditioned myself to be comfortable with over the course of about 5 months riding thunders, they are far more manageable with broken in bushings. You just gotta skate them and suffer through the break in period I suppose. Gotta say though, after one session having that AF1 turn and response back, I’m in love all over again.[close]
I had a diff experience I felt like I liked the af1 more when the bushings were fresh and when they broke in they were way too surfy and I’d have to keep tightening to try and be less wiggly and eventually get new bushings or just get used to a looser truck. I was riding af1 44 on 8.38 so slight magic carpet probably added to that. On the other hand I love the classic 55s on my wider setup they’re turny and fun but still have some of the stability I didn’t have on the af1[close]
my biggest issue with ace, is that i cannot find a deck size that consistently yields decent pop for me.
af1 44s and i cannot ollie for shit.
ace classic 55s, however, are the shit. best pop
i’ve gotten out of any ace. not sure if it’s the wider setup more stability?
Funny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...
I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued. My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.
Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.
I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...
Funny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...
I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued. My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.
Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.
I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...
Expand QuoteFunny how a good few people have landed on the Classic 55 being the quintessential Ace model...
I panic bought a set over the holidays b/c I have an irrational fear they will be discontinued. My best kick flips and tre flips over the last few years have been on Classic 55s... I can't explain why. its a 9" wide truck for chrissakes.
Been using Ace hard bushings in them recently also with great results.
I'm a broken record but a classic 60 would be dreamy... in theory...[close]
When I had my 55 classics on an 8.75 popsicle I had the most pop I’ve had in my life. Unfortunately on the 9.5 Bolin 2 I’m finding I can’t pop for shit! I’m sure there’s not that much difference in the weight, not sure what I’m sucking so hard on this board 😪
Considering going 60 hollow AF1 and back to an 8.75…
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2sf5i7PC_P/?igsh=MTg5dnM0d2ZyN2dvMQ==
Aren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...
Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.
This is correct, the AF1 hanger is the same regardless of Low or Standard. It's only the baseplate configuration that makes a Low a low. I've been running hollow AF1 hangers (from standard height AF1s) on AF1 Low baseplates for over a year now (similar to the setup in that ig post, except for the weird bushing setup he's got going on)Expand QuoteAren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...
Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.[close]
interesting if true.
the chop shop has me wanting to try some low baseplates
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)
I’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective) I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?
Expand QuoteI’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective) I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?[close]
i mean, i haven’t had the problems some have had with ace. the classics used to bend, and it just never really bothered me.
the pivot cups on my af1s are too loose, but other than that, the trucks have seemed quality.
as to why you keep buying them: i used to break venture featherlights. and then just buy more venture featherlights. the design was what i wanted.
if i was skating a dad board, rails and slappies and that, id probably use ace too. its $60 bucks who gives a shit. i can’t walk outside without spending $20 on something i don’t even like .
edit*** most reasonable would give a shit. i’m always broke because i’m willing to spend whatever on fleeting happiness
I’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective) I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?
Expand QuoteJust gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)[close]
Got me curious about hollow Slappy hanger on af1 low baseplate. Or maybe Slappy lows will exist by the time I can skate again
Expand QuoteI’m so pissed, almost brand new set of gold AF1’s and I’m having the same defect that happened to me with two other sets of the hollows last year (one of which was a replacement set they sent me which also were defective) I can tighten and loosen the nut on one axle all the way down, which means my wheel can essentially come off while skating when the nut rattles loose. Idk why I keep giving this company money. Anyone else have this or am I just incredibly unlucky with AF1’s?[close]
That's a very cheap and easy fix. New nylock axle nuts. $1.50 for all four should do it...
This is correct, the AF1 hanger is the same regardless of Low or Standard. It's only the baseplate configuration that makes a Low a low. I've been running hollow AF1 hangers (from standard height AF1s) on AF1 Low baseplates for over a year now (similar to the setup in that ig post, except for the weird bushing setup he's got going on)Expand QuoteExpand QuoteAren't the hangers exactly the same between? I think its just the base plate that adjusts the height...
Check out Joey T's Chop Shop.[close]
interesting if true.
the chop shop has me wanting to try some low baseplates[close]
I also had to change mywheel boltsaxle nuts on AF1 as I could turn twoboltsnuts bare hands. Very cheap change because my local skate shop gave me theboltnut for free but it’s a shame to over engineer thoseboltsnuts if they don’t really do the simple job
Sorry English is not my native language, thanks for the correction :)
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)
Just gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)
Expand QuoteJust gonna throw in here that slappy hangers fit on AF-1 baseplates with no wheelbase or height change and grind much better :)[close]
Yup as far as I can tell it feels exactly the same way for turns/pop/etc but grinds faster/longer/easier. Not sure on weight but my af-1s are hollow so…
So they behave just the same except the grinding being better ? Interesting ! Slappy hollow would make ace quite a bit lighter as well right ? If I’m right there is a 40g difference between ace af1 and slapping hollow, would it be mostly in the hangers ?
jordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em
Expand Quotejordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em[close]
They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.
@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same heightExpand QuoteExpand Quotejordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em[close]
They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.[close]
is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.
and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.
i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.
@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same heightExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotejordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em[close]
They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.[close]
is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.
and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.
i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.[close]
lows are different in the hangers
i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck
Expand Quote@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same heightExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotejordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em[close]
They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.[close]
is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.
and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.
i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.[close]
lows are different in the hangers
i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck[close]
maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.
Expand QuoteExpand Quote@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same heightExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotejordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em[close]
They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.[close]
is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.
and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.
i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.[close]
lows are different in the hangers
i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck[close]
maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.[close]
As far as I can tell from mine, the baseplate is the same as standard AF1. I sent some pictures to munchbox but I unfortunately don’t own any calipers to confirm
Expand QuoteExpand Quote@BartHarleyJarvis told me the plates are the same heightExpand QuoteExpand QuoteExpand Quotejordan trahan footy might get me to try ace lows
whats the word from the 5 people here who ride em[close]
They rock, though I prefer the hard bushings.[close]
is he still skating the lows?
couple of folks that used to post more frequently, started skating the af-1 lows. i took their quietude to insinuate that the trucks were really good.
and with ace’s low baseplate, you could make a 9” low.
i want to try them. i’m venture. but. on the very few setups i’ve had that i could good pop out of aces on, the pop was so light and lovely. i want something easy like that rn.[close]
lows are different in the hangers
i think they would go great with a wide & steep deck[close]
maybe i got this incorrect, but i thought it was all in the baseplate.[close]
As far as I can tell from mine, the baseplate is the same as standard AF1. I sent some pictures to munchbox but I unfortunately don’t own any calipers to confirm
Thanks for the comparison pic @BartHarleyJarvis
I'd love to try some Ace lows. I hear for low trucks they still turn really well...
Alas, I am not a light individual and will likely die on my first kick flop.
what bushings other than ace brand are compatible with lows
i dont think 94a will be enough for me
what bushings other than ace brand are compatible with lows
i dont think 94a will be enough for me
Indy barrels would probably be the best replacement. They’re taller but the closest overall option I know of.Expand Quotewhat bushings other than ace brand are compatible with lows
i dont think 94a will be enough for me[close]
I believe Independent barrels are only 1mm taller. I use Ace low bushings in my Indys and they’re almost identical in size
Ace low
Total 22 mm
Top 10 mm
Bottom 12 mm
Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total 23.5 mm
Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm
Expand Quoteanyone have the height of bones bushings?[close]
Total without washer a hair over 24 mm
Top about or just under 11 mm, maybe 10.5
Bottom about or just over 13 mm, maybe 13.5
Flat washer just under one mm
@art hellman appreciate the shout and offer but I think the next Ace I will purchase will be the (seemingly) resized Classic 55s!
According to their new sizing chart on IG stories, the Classic 55s are now 151mm Hanger and 8.625 axle.... Yas!
(https://i.imgur.com/5INE9Q8.jpeg)
Gonna confuse the shit out of people again. I love it.
Just flew out joey tershay (like an actual real man) to see if these re-tooled sizes on the Classics is a thing or just more Size Chart confusion
will get back in 4 business days
ace is the most fried company lol, but I'm hyped they finally did a size in between the 44s and the 55s, it was just too big of a jump imo if you thought the 44s were too small.
Looks like a false alarm… all charts have been updated…
Anyone know if there are drops for the Chop Shop? Or do they stock randomly. On the hunt for some 60 hangars.
Has anyone run 56mm conical full's fine on af1's without risers? I got some 1/8" risers on rn, and its going okay, but it's been weird adjusting and I'm ghost popping alot sometimes. Wondering if I would be okay without any risers. I could probably just tighten my trucks a little or wax where my wheels would bite, I'm like 140 pounds and 5'11" so Im thinking I probably could. If not I'll just adjust
Expand QuoteHas anyone run 56mm conical full's fine on af1's without risers? I got some 1/8" risers on rn, and its going okay, but it's been weird adjusting and I'm ghost popping alot sometimes. Wondering if I would be okay without any risers. I could probably just tighten my trucks a little or wax where my wheels would bite, I'm like 140 pounds and 5'11" so Im thinking I probably could. If not I'll just adjust[close]
I do ! Ace AF1 55 with 56mm conical full and also rode the new lock ins full in 55mm. I used to have risers but same as you, felt better without and ditched 'em ! I still have wheel bites sometimes but I also have pretty loose trucks so it also happens riding indy trucks anyway. Waxing the wheel wells is my go to
Expand QuoteAnyone know if there are drops for the Chop Shop? Or do they stock randomly. On the hunt for some 60 hangars.[close]
https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
I feel like the most common trucks have been out of stock for a while, but that might just be whenever I have checked in recent months.
No idea if they restock and sell out, or if the standard lines, most commonly the 60s and 66s look like they are always out of stock.
https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/af1-trucks
Seems like those sets of trucks have been restocked though, all 60s in stock which probably doesn't help you much - get the trucks as a whole and sell the baseplates might be the best option there, or keep them as spares.
I know some people were keen on the low basplates too.
With Ace it is the same hanger throughout all their trucks, just the height difference in the baseplate, as people have said on here before.
Can anyone comment on the weight difference between regular AF1s and AF1 hollows? I've got regular AF1s in 66 and 77 and wondering whether the weight difference makes it worth grabbing some hollows.
Has anyone run 56mm conical full's fine on af1's without risers? I got some 1/8" risers on rn, and its going okay, but it's been weird adjusting and I'm ghost popping alot sometimes. Wondering if I would be okay without any risers. I could probably just tighten my trucks a little or wax where my wheels would bite, I'm like 140 pounds and 5'11" so Im thinking I probably could. If not I'll just adjust
skatedeluxe.com lists weight as follows for the 77s:
Ace 77 AF1: 431 g
Ace 77 AF1 Hollow : 405 g
Expand Quoteskatedeluxe.com lists weight as follows for the 77s:
Ace 77 AF1: 431 g
Ace 77 AF1 Hollow : 405 g[close]
I never understood the obsession over weight at this level. Can you really tell difference of about one ounce? A 200 lb person is about 5600 grams or 350 ounces. So the difference in weight in these 2 truck types is 0.2% of the overall weight of the person. Shouldn't change how many stairs you Ollie or Ollie height lol.
Expand Quoteskatedeluxe.com lists weight as follows for the 77s:
Ace 77 AF1: 431 g
Ace 77 AF1 Hollow : 405 g[close]
I never understood the obsession over weight at this level. Can you really tell difference of about one ounce? A 200 lb person is about 5600 grams or 350 ounces. So the difference in weight in these 2 truck types is 0.2% of the overall weight of the person. Shouldn't change how many stairs you Ollie or Ollie height lol.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteskatedeluxe.com lists weight as follows for the 77s:
Ace 77 AF1: 431 g
Ace 77 AF1 Hollow : 405 g[close]
I never understood the obsession over weight at this level. Can you really tell difference of about one ounce? A 200 lb person is about 5600 grams or 350 ounces. So the difference in weight in these 2 truck types is 0.2% of the overall weight of the person. Shouldn't change how many stairs you Ollie or Ollie height lol.[close]
With skateboarding I think the argument for gram shaving is a little bit more compelling, because the idea of “system weight” kinda falls away when we’re talking about flipping and maneuvering the board - here I think rotational inertia can be impacted by altering variables such as board width, truck weight, wheel size, etc. The magnitude is likely going to be relatively small for most average setups (with a little bit of placebo effect for most folks), but I bet you’d notice a difference flipping an 8 ply 8.5 with standard Indys and 59mm radial fulls vs a flight deck with titanium thunders and 51mm tablets.
All that said, do I notice a difference when riding hollow 60s vs classic 55s? Not a ton, but it’s fun to stare through my hanger at things.
Expand QuoteExpand Quoteskatedeluxe.com lists weight as follows for the 77s:
Ace 77 AF1: 431 g
Ace 77 AF1 Hollow : 405 g[close]
I never understood the obsession over weight at this level. Can you really tell difference of about one ounce? A 200 lb person is about 5600 grams or 350 ounces. So the difference in weight in these 2 truck types is 0.2% of the overall weight of the person. Shouldn't change how many stairs you Ollie or Ollie height lol.[close]
It’s an interesting argument, and one that gets brought up in cycling a bunch. With so much hype and money going into weight savings, sometimes it helps to zoom out from bike weight and look at “system weight” (bike + rider). Cheapest way to cut weight is to skip a burrito a week for a few months and lose 5lbs rather than spend hundreds to shave grams off your bike build. Counterarguments include location of weight, efficiency, aerodynamics, etc.
With skateboarding I think the argument for gram shaving is a little bit more compelling, because the idea of “system weight” kinda falls away when we’re talking about flipping and maneuvering the board - here I think rotational inertia can be impacted by altering variables such as board width, truck weight, wheel size, etc. The magnitude is likely going to be relatively small for most average setups (with a little bit of placebo effect for most folks), but I bet you’d notice a difference flipping an 8 ply 8.5 with standard Indys and 59mm radial fulls vs a flight deck with titanium thunders and 51mm tablets.
All that said, do I notice a difference when riding hollow 60s vs classic 55s? Not a ton, but it’s fun to stare through my hanger at things.
This could probably qualify for the dumb questions thread, but when did Ace bearings show up? Feel like this is the first ive seen of them.
just got a pair of AF1 off ebay for $30Disassemble the truck and spray paint. Did that with some blue ace base plates that I painted silver. Did a thin layer let it dry in the sun and repeat
anyone know how to paint the baseplate? i wanna get some colors on em!
Seems like Ace is developing an inverted kingpin option? Or it could be rider mods. Interesting that Ace hid it in their repost. I did take a picture of Spanky when he was in town for a demo and he had some inverted kingpins on his trucks, though it looked like a different style. At the very least, a baseplate that accomodates inverted kingpins like Thunders could be cool.
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Disassemble the truck and spray paint. Did that with some blue ace base plates that I painted silver. Did a thin layer let it dry in the sun and repeatExpand Quotejust got a pair of AF1 off ebay for $30
anyone know how to paint the baseplate? i wanna get some colors on em![close]
I’ve had to take away a washer to get the nut to stay on my AF1 hanger. Maybe try an axle nut from another truck. I had to do that. Used an Indy axle nut to hold one of my wheels on otherwise running the ace brand nut flush with the thread could be loosened by my finger. Thankfully the trucks (af1 44) have worked fine since.
Does anyone else have an issue where one side of a threaded axle is shorter than the rest? (Mine are af1 66)
I had to leave the washers off on one side so that the nut would tighten properly. It was enough of a pain that I just took all the washers off, but on the side where it was snug, the friction made the bearing shield wear down. I don’t ride my wheels tight, it’s very annoying because it ruined my bearings.
If you have a ruler and can show that the one side is shorter than the other, this is 100% a QC issue and should be covered under warranty. And their customer service has a decent reputation, they should sort you out with a new pair relatively easily.Expand QuoteDoes anyone else have an issue where one side of a threaded axle is shorter than the rest? (Mine are af1 66)
I had to leave the washers off on one side so that the nut would tighten properly. It was enough of a pain that I just took all the washers off, but on the side where it was snug, the friction made the bearing shield wear down. I don’t ride my wheels tight, it’s very annoying because it ruined my bearings.[close]
Yes I’ve had this on both classics and AF1s. If you use wheel spacers, removing them will give you some more room. I used spacers for many years, and I have only noticed improvements since I stopped using them. That’s a whole other rant though.
You technically don’t need the inside washer due to the tapered hanger, so that could give you some more room too. Inspect the machine work on the hanger before running it without an inner washer, you may need to file it down to make it smooth/flush.
Ace are my truck of choice, but god damn their QC sucks. It would be nice to buy a set that didn’t come defective from day 1.
Krylon brand metallic in silver. I would imagine cleaning the baseplate and letting it dry before applying thin layers would yield the best resultsExpand QuoteDisassemble the truck and spray paint. Did that with some blue ace base plates that I painted silver. Did a thin layer let it dry in the sun and repeatExpand Quotejust got a pair of AF1 off ebay for $30
anyone know how to paint the baseplate? i wanna get some colors on em![close]
I’ve had to take away a washer to get the nut to stay on my AF1 hanger. Maybe try an axle nut from another truck. I had to do that. Used an Indy axle nut to hold one of my wheels on otherwise running the ace brand nut flush with the thread could be loosened by my finger. Thankfully the trucks (af1 44) have worked fine since.[close]
What spraypaint did you use? I've always wanted to try painting some baseplates but I don't wanna fuck it up and have the paint come flaking off or something.
Krylon brand metallic in silver. I would imagine cleaning the baseplate and letting it dry before applying thin layers would yield the best resultsExpand QuoteExpand QuoteDisassemble the truck and spray paint. Did that with some blue ace base plates that I painted silver. Did a thin layer let it dry in the sun and repeatExpand Quotejust got a pair of AF1 off ebay for $30
anyone know how to paint the baseplate? i wanna get some colors on em![close]
I’ve had to take away a washer to get the nut to stay on my AF1 hanger. Maybe try an axle nut from another truck. I had to do that. Used an Indy axle nut to hold one of my wheels on otherwise running the ace brand nut flush with the thread could be loosened by my finger. Thankfully the trucks (af1 44) have worked fine since.[close]
What spraypaint did you use? I've always wanted to try painting some baseplates but I don't wanna fuck it up and have the paint come flaking off or something.[close]
Anyone know if JT's chop shop ever has hollow hangers in stock? I've only been seeing the regular ones last few times I checked
Anyone know if there are drops for the Chop Shop? Or do they stock randomly. On the hunt for some 60 hangars.
Expand QuoteDoes anyone else have an issue where one side of a threaded axle is shorter than the rest? (Mine are af1 66)
I had to leave the washers off on one side so that the nut would tighten properly. It was enough of a pain that I just took all the washers off, but on the side where it was snug, the friction made the bearing shield wear down. I don’t ride my wheels tight, it’s very annoying because it ruined my bearings.[close]
Yes I’ve had this on both classics and AF1s. If you use wheel spacers, removing them will give you some more room. I used spacers for many years, and I have only noticed improvements since I stopped using them. That’s a whole other rant though.
You technically don’t need the inside washer due to the tapered hanger, so that could give you some more room too. Inspect the machine work on the hanger before running it without an inner washer, you may need to file it down to make it smooth/flush.
Ace are my truck of choice, but god damn their QC sucks. It would be nice to buy a set that didn’t come defective from day 1.
Expand QuoteAnyone know if JT's chop shop ever has hollow hangers in stock? I've only been seeing the regular ones last few times I checked[close]
I feel like I could almost post word for word an answer on the last page, but quite simply I don't check often enough to know if anything is really updated, but I seem to recall seeing the same half dozen sets of baseplates, as well as the same basic options in hangers and bushings each time I check - only hollow option in the Chop Shop is the low baseplate which has a hollow kingpin.
The regular shop seems to have everything else in stock now though, as last time I had checked, there were gaps / sold out in the 60, 66 and similar sizes in both hangers and whole trucks.
I could imagine if someone preferred a solid kingpin baseplate with hollow axle hangers, you would have to mix and match, getting whole hollow trucks and solid baseplates, just as a simple example.
If anyone has any other info, it would be good to post, so everyone knows - some things I have such limited knowledge about, so it would be good to set the record straight, if I did give incorrect info.
Answer from last page:Expand QuoteAnyone know if there are drops for the Chop Shop? Or do they stock randomly. On the hunt for some 60 hangars.[close]
https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/jts-chop-shop
I feel like the most common trucks have been out of stock for a while, but that might just be whenever I have checked in recent months.
No idea if they restock and sell out, or if the standard lines, most commonly the 60s and 66s look like they are always out of stock.
https://mesaskatesupply.com/collections/af1-trucks
Seems like those sets of trucks have been restocked though, all 60s in stock which probably doesn't help you much - get the trucks as a whole and sell the baseplates might be the best option there, or keep them as spares.
I know some people were keen on the low basplates too.
With Ace it is the same hanger throughout all their trucks, just the height difference in the baseplate, as people have said on here before.
Ah yeah my bad if this was answered before I should have checked first. Basically I borrowed a set of AF1 44 hollows from an injured friend and tossed those hangers on low baseplates to make a fully hollow Ace AF1 low. I was wondering if I could buy replacement hollow hangers, but seems like I might need to get my homie new trucks lol.
Bit of Madness setting in... I've just set up some Af1 77's on the big board. They are replacing the Classic 66's.
For some reason I'm getting more wheelbite on Af1's than I was getting on the Classics.
I noticed the Af1 barrel bushing is a mm or 2 shorter than the Classic barrel - confirmed with calipers. The Af1 top bushing also has a more conical shape than the Classic top.
Are the Classics actually 52mm high or are they really 55mm as per the Ace chart online? I'm even wondering if I somehow have the Af1 low bushings in my regular Af1's... Perhaps the Af1 bushings just need to break in and in harden up a touch.
Expand QuoteBit of Madness setting in... I've just set up some Af1 77's on the big board. They are replacing the Classic 66's.
For some reason I'm getting more wheelbite on Af1's than I was getting on the Classics.
I noticed the Af1 barrel bushing is a mm or 2 shorter than the Classic barrel - confirmed with calipers. The Af1 top bushing also has a more conical shape than the Classic top.
Are the Classics actually 52mm high or are they really 55mm as per the Ace chart online? I'm even wondering if I somehow have the Af1 low bushings in my regular Af1's... Perhaps the Af1 bushings just need to break in and in harden up a touch.[close]
Classic and AF1 bushings are the same size, unless you got a set of lows. Lows would also explain more wheelbite. In my experience, AF1s feel more stable than classics and less prone to wheel bite.
Classics and AF1s are both 53.5mm tall if I remember correctly
Thanks guys yes it appears AF1 are 53.5 and Classics are in fact lower despite wheelbite being far more of an issue for me on Af1's.
Just wondering if any of you Ace riders have tried the Indy Stage 4 trucks? I think I was hoping the Af1's to be more like these. To me the Stage 4's feel like a taller version of the Classics - super fast turning and responsive, a touch more stable on centre but still an insanely tight turning radius.
I'm not sure I can get used to the Af1's.. To me it seems Ace created a slightly more surfy Stage 11. I find myself wishing I was back on Classics.
Thanks guys yes it appears AF1 are 53.5 and Classics are in fact lower despite wheelbite being far more of an issue for me on Af1's.
Just wondering if any of you Ace riders have tried the Indy Stage 4 trucks? I think I was hoping the Af1's to be more like these. To me the Stage 4's feel like a taller version of the Classics - super fast turning and responsive, a touch more stable on centre but still an insanely tight turning radius.
I'm not sure I can get used to the Af1's.. To me it seems Ace created a slightly more surfy Stage 11. I find myself wishing I was back on Classics.
AF 1s and Classics are pretty damn close and are both better than Stage 4s for my tastes. Stage 4s did not feel great on center. Stage4s are a harder grind, which I prefer but it doesn't cancel out the magic Ace turn.