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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: palelight on December 12, 2019, 05:39:24 PM
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Had a smaller version of this posted in the Ace thread, but it's not Ace specific, so here we are.
Thought I'd compile the list of riders who've bailed on Indy in the last little while. If anyone wants to add to it, have at it (just throw an insta link or whatever confirming).
While Indy has a massive team regardless, I figured the amount of defections recently is still notable. And hopefully having it all in one place might bring to light whatever's driving the trend.
Recent:
Nick Boserio - Indy to Ace (still sponsored by NHS/OJ?)
Max Palmer - Indy to Ace
Andy Roy - Indy to Ace
Grosso - Indy to Ace
AO - Indy to Ace
BA - Indy to Ace
Bobby Worrest - Indy to Venture
Kader - Indy to Venture
Vincent Touzery - Indy to Venture
Eddie Cernicky - Indy to Venture
Pat Burke - Indy to Venture
Tyler Bledsoe - (Thunder to) Indy to Venture
Duffel - (Venture to) Indy to Venture
Donovan Piscopo - Indy to Thunder
Soy Panday - Indy to Film
Unknown time within the last 1-2 years:
Chris Jones - Indy to Thunder
Aaron Herrington - Indy to Thunder
John Rowe - Indy to Venture
John Devine - Indy to Venture
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Has the quality dropped that badly?
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I didn’t know BA left.
Although this happened way before the manufacturing issues. Koston left Indy for Thunder?
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nhs tryin to flex in dlx kinda back fired, no?
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Has the quality dropped that badly?
Most people here in the Shoes/Gear forum don't think so. I've had two sets since the switch. Cleaner casting (although I think they look a little too polished) and better stock bushings if anything.
Edit: the only pro I've seen disparage the move to China was John Devine on his instagra. But all in all, it does not appear to be related to the manufacturing locale.
I didn’t know BA left.
Although this happened way before the manufacturing issues. Koston left Indy for Thunder?
Very recent. His most recent board pics on insta show setups with Aces. And Koston never actually rode Indy but had several sig trucks. This was actually a huge reason Joey T left Indy to start Ace. He was turned off by the idea of sidelining longtime riders for names (Koston always rode Thunders regardless).
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Indy’s always had that “you should be honored to ride for us” type attitude, frat boy shit really. From what I hear they only pay the dudes with signature gear. Right now they have Milton, GT, Reynolds, Wes, Joslin, and Evan Smith trucks out.
All the dudes bailing probably leaving to make some money. Even if it’s just a little, more photo incentive, an actual check. Bobby leaving to get a signature truck, Bobby deserves to have his name on anything he wants. I’d be interested to see venture sales numbers in the 6 weeks after Bobby dropped that video.
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Indy’s always had that “you should be honored to ride for us” type attitude, frat boy shit really. From what I hear they only pay the dudes with signature gear. Right now they have Milton, GT, Reynolds, Wes, Joslin, and Evan Smith trucks out.
All the dudes bailing probably leaving to make some money. Even if it’s just a little, more photo incentive, an actual check. Bobby leaving to get a signature truck, Bobby deserves to have his name on anything he wants. I’d be interested to see venture sales numbers in the 6 weeks after Bobby dropped that video.
Agreed. I still think something went down with restructuring. I don't think it's a coincidence this happened so soon after Jeff Kendall took over at NHS and a bunch of new brand and team managers were brought on board.
The one I'm most interested in is Boserio. He was quite aligned with NHS. Several signature OJ wheels, featured in a lot of videos and ads for them. Seemed like he had the most to lose bailing, and he did it quietly (although he's got those Nike cheques, so maybe not much of a big deal).
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Noticed a lot of the gx1000 riders have switched to venture too on recent insta posts.
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Noticed a lot of the gx1000 riders have switched to venture too on recent insta posts.
Any specific names? I'll do the nerd work.
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Thunder are still made in the US, yes?
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For now they appear to still be made at Ermico. Is Ermico still in SF or moving to TJ? Also, there hasn't been a Made in USA stamp on Thunders for awhile but that might be due to foreign made components...
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On mobile so I can’t post a photo right now. Venture IG story has a Kader signature truck.
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On mobile so I can’t post a photo right now. Venture IG story has a Kader signature truck.
(https://i.ibb.co/CtW6BjQ/5-BF02469-86-D5-41-A8-A6-FE-7-CBDB3191-E87.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LPvrST1)
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On mobile so I can’t post a photo right now. Venture IG story has a Kader signature truck.
Thanks Bubblegum!
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i think it is just money, maybe new management cut money that was going to skater who do have signature trucks. I think some of the old guys (eg Grosso) though might have switched because Ace is made closer to the way old Indy's were and maybe theres some personal ties with the guys running Ace - who use to be at Indy.
i've bought some recent Indy's...not sure if they are made in China, but i have felt no difference at all...but i aint no pro.
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Noticed a lot of the gx1000 riders have switched to venture too on recent insta posts.
Any specific names? I'll do the nerd work.
biggreendads (Jeff?) was putting a pair on his board in the latest gx1000 post, and Matt Finley was using them on their New York trip.
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i think it is just money, maybe new management cut money that was going to skater who do have signature trucks. I think some of the old guys (eg Grosso) though might have switched because Ace is made closer to the way old Indy's were and maybe theres some personal ties with the guys running Ace - who use to be at Indy.
i've bought some recent Indy's...not sure if they are made in China, but i have felt no difference at all...but i aint no pro.
Were they new trucks? I bought hollow 139 lows from skate warehouse during their Black Friday sale since hard to find lows now, and they are being discontinued and replaced by mids next year.
Maybe they don’t make any new lows so it could be an old stock from them. They still say made in the USA.
I think saw the new trucks (standard) on the bottom just says imported parts (bushings, washers, etc). I don’t remember if mentioned being made in the USA still.
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i think it is just money, maybe new management cut money that was going to skater who do have signature trucks. I think some of the old guys (eg Grosso) though might have switched because Ace is made closer to the way old Indy's were and maybe theres some personal ties with the guys running Ace - who use to be at Indy.
i've bought some recent Indy's...not sure if they are made in China, but i have felt no difference at all...but i aint no pro.
Were they new trucks? I bought hollow 139 lows from skate warehouse during their Black Friday sale since hard to find lows now, and they are being discontinued and replaced by mids next year.
Maybe they don’t make any new lows so it could be an old stock from them. They still say made in the USA.
I think saw the new trucks (standard) on the bottom just says imported parts (bushings, washers, etc). I don’t remember if mentioned being made in the USA still.
I bought Indy 149's in Feb. 2018 with a hanging tag reading "Made in China." So it's been a while. Indy/NHS got dinged for misleading labelling, stamping trucks with "USA" when they didn't use domestic product. Which is why DLX don't stamp anymore despite still pouring at Ermico, hardware is sourced from overseas/Mexico. Also, forged plates have always been made in China. They simply never had that setup at Ermico.
Could be money. But NHS certainly isn't hurting for it. Buying licensing agreements for Star Wars products is not a cheap endeavour.
The protectionist angle doesn't really wash. There's been zero evidence of any pro coming out saying "I left Indy cause they now pour in China," I mean, Ace has always been made in China so...
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i think it is just money, maybe new management cut money that was going to skater who do have signature trucks. I think some of the old guys (eg Grosso) though might have switched because Ace is made closer to the way old Indy's were and maybe theres some personal ties with the guys running Ace - who use to be at Indy.
i've bought some recent Indy's...not sure if they are made in China, but i have felt no difference at all...but i aint no pro.
Were they new trucks? I bought hollow 139 lows from skate warehouse during their Black Friday sale since hard to find lows now, and they are being discontinued and replaced by mids next year.
Maybe they don’t make any new lows so it could be an old stock from them. They still say made in the USA.
I think saw the new trucks (standard) on the bottom just says imported parts (bushings, washers, etc). I don’t remember if mentioned being made in the USA still.
i bought a pair of 149 hollows last month...i think it says the same thing...imported parts made in USA.
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i think it is just money, maybe new management cut money that was going to skater who do have signature trucks. I think some of the old guys (eg Grosso) though might have switched because Ace is made closer to the way old Indy's were and maybe theres some personal ties with the guys running Ace - who use to be at Indy.
i've bought some recent Indy's...not sure if they are made in China, but i have felt no difference at all...but i aint no pro.
Were they new trucks? I bought hollow 139 lows from skate warehouse during their Black Friday sale since hard to find lows now, and they are being discontinued and replaced by mids next year.
Maybe they don’t make any new lows so it could be an old stock from them. They still say made in the USA.
I think saw the new trucks (standard) on the bottom just says imported parts (bushings, washers, etc). I don’t remember if mentioned being made in the USA still.
i bought a pair of 149 hollows last month...i think it says the same thing...imported parts made in USA.
Checked my receipt, this was from a set bought in July 2018. If you bought Indy's that say USA anywhere, they're old stock. The fact Indy has moved to China is a done and dusted point, there's been at least 3 separate threads about it.
(https://i.imgur.com/9u1XaS2.png)
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imagine most truck companies dont pay riders outside ads or signature gear?
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Indys just don't turn properly. I think most of the pros just switched cause they weren't making money anyways. So they just want something shipped to their door that actually turns...
I can't see any of the paid riders switching though...
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Just a thought. What if some ppl didn't leave, but instead they got shown the door or dropped to flow?
I think the older tag used to say something like, "assembled in US from domestic and imported components"
https://sfosb.org/sites/default/files/Legacy%20Business/SBC%20Hearings/Item%203e.%20LBR-2016-17-033%20Ermico%20Enterprises.pdf
Weird place to see this much Ermico/DLX history
The Chinese guys in that pic don't paint a good story
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imagine most truck companies dont pay riders outside ads or signature gear?
The same would be for a wheel company too? Or any hardgoods. Like those who get signature bearings and hardware.
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Just a thought. What if some ppl didn't leave, but instead they got shown the door or dropped to flow?
Very possible. But there's some folks who definitely would not have, Kader, Touzery, Boserio, Worrest, Piscopo. All still relevant and marketable.
I think the older tag used to say something like, "assembled in US from domestic and imported components"
They did for a brief period. They got fined(?) for stamping their trucks "USA" however and had to drop that and add the extra info on the tag.
https://sfosb.org/sites/default/files/Legacy%20Business/SBC%20Hearings/Item%203e.%20LBR-2016-17-033%20Ermico%20Enterprises.pdf
Weird place to see this much Ermico/DLX history
The Chinese guys in that pic don't paint a good story
In what way?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B5_gDbND0O0/?igshid=1nliyl4yztovg
Venture with another power move. Don’t know if pat was ever fully on Indy but venture has definitely made investments into marketing to traditionally indy type skaters.
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Most likely is a money thing. I had USA and China made Indy's and I couldn't tell a difference quality wise besides the Chinese one having a nicer touch feeling.
Comes to my mind that maybe the old Indy look might been a factor or (hopefully) people who didn't felt supported by Indy wanted to show love to sth new that might become a respectable brand.
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
Yea I guess I'm talking over the course of this past year or so, before they stopped backing him. Also ace have never promoted him, hes just riding them I'm sure.
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dont know if sage was even 'on' indy but hes now an ace pilot
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dont know if sage was even 'on' indy but hes now an ace pilot
Been on for a while.
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
Yea I guess I'm talking over the course of this past year or so, before they stopped backing him. Also ace have never promoted him, hes just riding them I'm sure.
Joey had his back pretty hard when that nazi shit was going on.
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I love my ventures
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
Yea I guess I'm talking over the course of this past year or so, before they stopped backing him. Also ace have never promoted him, hes just riding them I'm sure.
Joey had his back pretty hard when that nazi shit was going on.
Not enough to add him to the team page.
https://acetrucks.com/team/
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This started couple of years back when Koston stopped riding Independent while still having pro truck out for them.
I noticed that Wieger and Lucas Puig (both long time Indy riders) started riding Thunder around the same time (2015ish).
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Indys just don't turn properly. I think most of the pros just switched cause they weren't making money anyways. So they just want something shipped to their door that actually turns...
I can't see any of the paid riders switching though...
Hypothesis: if Indys don't turn properly, then you don’t know how to skate.
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I recently went back to Indy after switching to thunder. Quality of the china Indy’s seem fine.
But would Indy trying to appeal to the Olympic market affect any of this? Idk if that’s what’s happening since they’ve always been hellride but just a thought. It is a weird exodus of riders and I don’t think China factories are the reason especially if riders are going to ace
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
Yea I guess I'm talking over the course of this past year or so, before they stopped backing him. Also ace have never promoted him, hes just riding them I'm sure.
Joey had his back pretty hard when that nazi shit was going on.
Not enough to add him to the team page.
https://acetrucks.com/team/
Fuck bro, cool, you’re really trying to argue how much Joey T backs Jason fucking Jesse.
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
Yea I guess I'm talking over the course of this past year or so, before they stopped backing him. Also ace have never promoted him, hes just riding them I'm sure.
Joey had his back pretty hard when that nazi shit was going on.
Not enough to add him to the team page.
https://acetrucks.com/team/
I don't even follow Joey, or JJ. I was more making a joke that he may back him personally but not enough to make it official with his company.
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I didnt watch it, but I have seen Indy still rep 1010 just last year. Wouldn't surprise me if some dudes left because they wouldn't just drop his dumb ass.
He was in a video from april 2018 on the official indy youtube. lame
He's riding Aces now.
Yea I guess I'm talking over the course of this past year or so, before they stopped backing him. Also ace have never promoted him, hes just riding them I'm sure.
Joey had his back pretty hard when that nazi shit was going on.
Not enough to add him to the team page.
https://acetrucks.com/team/
I don't even follow Joey, or JJ. I was more making a joke that he may back him personally but not enough to make it official with his company.
Haha exactly. I was saying indy actually kept him around longer than they should have and had him featured in shit. Ace wont do it because they know its bad for publicity. Who is arguing anything?
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
Brian Anderson shape? Unless you specifically want under 14.25"
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
Brian Anderson shape? Unless you specifically want under 14.25"
I don't like shaped decks. I think I could do 14.25" as long as it had longer/flattish kicks. I wanna see one of those new 8.475 Bakers.
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JASON JESSE RIDES FOR ACE TRUCKS NOW!!
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
This ends being one of my many issues: short legs, like wider boards (right now), by the time I put ventures on the wheelbase is gonna be huge it’ll be good, I just need to stick with it.
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Indys just don't turn properly.
Tell that to Salba who can carve lines that most pros can't even dream of, with Indys.
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
I know that baker and deathwish 8.475 decks have a WB of 14.25 if that helps, a bit more of a tapered shape and shorter nose/tail.
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
Brian Anderson shape? Unless you specifically want under 14.25"
It's a standard popsicle shape. 8.4"x32" with 14.25" WB
Also 8.4" is really 8.38", that extra 0.02" is literally nothing.
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Tactics has a good sort/filter.
Popsicles 8.375-8.5 with wheelbases 14-14.25:
https://www.tactics.com/skateboard-decks/popsicle/ra-17407,17439
Caveat is that almost are all of them are 14.25 and not under. This at least gives a start.
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
Brian Anderson shape? Unless you specifically want under 14.25"
It's a standard popsicle shape. 8.4"x32" with 14.25" WB
Also 8.4" is really 8.38", that extra 0.02" is literally nothing.
That’s true .02 is about the thickness of your fingernail. Give or take a thousandth. Don’t sweat it too much.
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Has the quality dropped that badly?
Most people here in the Shoes/Gear forum don't think so. I've had two sets since the switch. Cleaner casting (although I think they look a little too polished) and better stock bushings if anything.
Edit: the only pro I've seen disparage the move to China was John Devine on his instagra. But all in all, it does not appear to be related to the manufacturing locale.
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I didn’t know BA left.
Although this happened way before the manufacturing issues. Koston left Indy for Thunder?
Very recent. His most recent board pics on insta show setups with Aces. And Koston never actually rode Indy but had several sig trucks. This was actually a huge reason Joey T left Indy to start Ace. He was turned off by the idea of sidelining longtime riders for names (Koston always rode Thunders regardless).
Didn’t koston have an Indy ad where he was very clearly on thunders ? I deff remember photos from a Tampa trip where it was super obvious
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Has the quality dropped that badly?
Most people here in the Shoes/Gear forum don't think so. I've had two sets since the switch. Cleaner casting (although I think they look a little too polished) and better stock bushings if anything.
Edit: the only pro I've seen disparage the move to China was John Devine on his instagra. But all in all, it does not appear to be related to the manufacturing locale.
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I didn’t know BA left.
Although this happened way before the manufacturing issues. Koston left Indy for Thunder?
Very recent. His most recent board pics on insta show setups with Aces. And Koston never actually rode Indy but had several sig trucks. This was actually a huge reason Joey T left Indy to start Ace. He was turned off by the idea of sidelining longtime riders for names (Koston always rode Thunders regardless).
Didn’t koston have an Indy ad where he was very clearly on thunders ? I deff remember photos from a Tampa trip where it was super obvious
it's too small to tell, but it's this one
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/19/31/4f/19314f1d1c998fd6cacfa30b35b69b8c--eric-koston-skateboarding.jpg)
also: watch his Chronicles 3 part again. his trucks change in literally every single clip
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Maybe people are just realizing that Indy isn't cool?
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(https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7t18yX9zV1qd4g48o1_1280.jpg)
I photo shopped this in 2012 this is linked from my tumblr lol glad to see it being reposted
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(https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7t18yX9zV1qd4g48o1_1280.jpg)
I photo shopped this in 2012 this is linked from my tumblr lol glad to see it being reposted
Fantastic
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i got some indies earlier this year and the pivot cup blew out almost immediately with the bushings soon to follow. switched to venture and have been stoked.
but also, indy's whole marketing campaign of "fuck the rest" seems jockish and like alt-right jargon, which was a big bummer upon realization. not tryna represent or financially support any of those ideologies.
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i got some indies earlier this year and the pivot cup blew out almost immediately with the bushings soon to follow. switched to venture and have been stoked.
but also, indy's whole marketing campaign of "fuck the rest" seems jockish and like alt-right jargon, which was a big bummer upon realization. not tryna represent or financially support any of those ideologies.
Basically.
The marketing seems like it’s always just about to call someone a ‘faggot’. Just seems to be their vibe.
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They call them trucks for a reason eh? How else are you suppose to market them?
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16 riders listed in this thread of how many? Of those riders how many were top level (signature series), how many just sponsored, how many basically flowed?
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16 riders listed in this thread of how many? Of those riders how many were top level (signature series), how many just sponsored, how many basically flowed?
Massive team. Couldn't tell you the numbers. As for your second question, that'd be subject to interpretation, I don't know what would make someone just a pro or a "top level." Although I can tell you, Chris Jones, Herrington, Soy, Kader, and Bobby all have sig trucks on the brands they went to. And Boserio, Grosso, Bledsoe, Piscopo and BA all have other sig items (be they wheels, shoes, etc.). So not exactly a list of chumps.
I guess my theory is this. Yes they have a massive team, but so does Spitfire. And if Spitfire lost 20ish riders in a year (all of them at least "names") I think people would wonder? No? Maybe I'm wrong, but worth thinking about.
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I like Indy
Other trucks seem too slimed down
I have just about every size in several stages and they all work great and turn really well.
The new ones are my favorite, regular standards.
I would try other trucks but I’m sure it doesn’t actually matter that much. I would just rather go with a slightly heavier truck over a lighter truck.
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16 riders listed in this thread of how many? Of those riders how many were top level (signature series), how many just sponsored, how many basically flowed?
Massive team. Couldn't tell you the numbers. As for your second question, that'd be subject to interpretation, I don't know what would make someone just a pro or a "top level." Although I can tell you, Chris Jones, Herrington, Soy, Kader, and Bobby all have sig trucks on the brands they went to. And Boserio, Grosso, Bledsoe, Piscopo and BA all have other sig items (be they wheels, shoes, etc.). So not exactly a list of chumps.
I guess my theory is this. Yes they have a massive team, but so does Spitfire. And if Spitfire lost 20ish riders in a year (all of them at least "names") I think people would wonder? No? Maybe I'm wrong, but worth thinking about.
It’s def worth considering.
Imo it has less to do with protectionist policies, and truck money isnt too big (actually I don’t know that, I’m assuming), and it has everything to do with Indy being shitty to dlx.
At least that’s how it has been explained to me.
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It’s def worth considering.
Imo it has less to do with protectionist policies, and truck money isnt too big (actually I don’t know that, I’m assuming), and it has everything to do with Indy being shitty to dlx.
At least that’s how it has been explained to me.
I could see this being the case. Once Indy left Ermico there'd be little reason to "get along" so to speak. As you said, in that case it doesn't matter they left to China, but that they left period. They could have moved production to Texas but the result is the same, no longer under the same umbrella, no need to play nice anymore.
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Management changes = team changes,especially with darkman beef and rider loyalty to whomever pulls the strings(or did pull them). Ace is the new indy
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Management changes = team changes,especially with darkman beef and rider loyalty to whomever pulls the strings(or did pull them). Ace is the new indy
Very true. I would add, like Camel Filters pointed out on page one, Venture is definitely picking up guys that would have been considered traditional Indy-style riders, which I find very interesting. Not just super-tech guys.
I guess if the shift at Indy signals a heavy tilt towards SOTY winners and contest machines like Joslin, who granted bring in a ton of business, you're not going to see a lot of purpose in pushing John Rowe... but I find it infinitely fucking cool that DLX does.
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Management changes = team changes,especially with darkman beef and rider loyalty to whomever pulls the strings(or did pull them). Ace is the new indy
Very true. I would add, like Camel Filters pointed out on page one, Venture is definitely picking up guys that would have been considered traditional Indy-style riders, which I find very interesting. Not just super-tech guys.
I guess if the shift at Indy signals a heavy tilt towards SOTY winners and contest machines like Joslin, who granted bring in a ton of business, you're not going to see a lot of purpose in pushing John Rowe... but I find it infinitely fucking cool that DLX does.
Speaking about that, I've always felt that Ribeiro doesn't fit Indy, he's the classic Venture archetype
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I want to buy a set of Ventures but it's too hard to find 8.4-8.5" decks with a wheelbase under 14.25"
A lot of Pennswood decks are 14" wb. He had a bunch of really cheap boards up on his web store (https://pennswood.myshopify.com/) but I think most of the bigger sizes sold pretty quick, so I would suggest checking out a Scumco logo deck. They're 14"wb and just a cunt hair under 32", with silver spoon concave which is a medium-deep concave with moderately pitched kicks, it's a good all around shape. You can grab one from one of the coolest shop owners out there -
https://thecornerstoreskateshop.bigcartel.com/product/scumco-logo-boards
or straight from one of the coolest brand owners out there
http://www.scumcoandsons.com/merch/dave-abair-national-geographic-dd2g5-zz4y7-kgrrf-e8n37-wm3a2-mhrtx-ts7gx-d8wka
They pair great with Ventures, right now I've got an 8.25 Play (up and coming local Pittsburgh company that also uses Pennswood but with a mellower mold) with 5.6 V-hollows that I'm really enjoying, and I've skated the regular non-forged 5.8s on a Scumco logo 8.5" with good results in the past.
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Management changes = team changes,especially with darkman beef and rider loyalty to whomever pulls the strings(or did pull them). Ace is the new indy
Very true. I would add, like Camel Filters pointed out on page one, Venture is definitely picking up guys that would have been considered traditional Indy-style riders, which I find very interesting. Not just super-tech guys.
I guess if the shift at Indy signals a heavy tilt towards SOTY winners and contest machines like Joslin, who granted bring in a ton of business, you're not going to see a lot of purpose in pushing John Rowe... but I find it infinitely fucking cool that DLX does.
I can see that. Venture does have a stacked team!
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Trucks matter less to good riders for the most part. They can probably adapt.
Also, tons of the riders that left are on DLX brands or are SF dudes that are super DLX loyal. Venture swept the Bay Area largely because of DLX worship/shop networks.
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
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With so many people jumping ship from Indy and they seem to be losing some popularity. I’m wondering If Indy losing riders and popularity or riders switching to venture thunder specifically (elongating WBs)would this effect the industry like will boards start having shorter wheel bases to accommodate the riders new truck sponsor ?
I’m bored at work.
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Justin and McCrank got the boot from Royal because they were too obvious about skating Thunders. In fact there was something about it in an old KOTR article about Koston having to call Deluxe about getting a box of trucks.
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Has the quality dropped that badly?
Most people here in the Shoes/Gear forum don't think so. I've had two sets since the switch. Cleaner casting (although I think they look a little too polished) and better stock bushings if anything.
Edit: the only pro I've seen disparage the move to China was John Devine on his instagra. But all in all, it does not appear to be related to the manufacturing locale.
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I didn’t know BA left.
Although this happened way before the manufacturing issues. Koston left Indy for Thunder?
Very recent. His most recent board pics on insta show setups with Aces. And Koston never actually rode Indy but had several sig trucks. This was actually a huge reason Joey T left Indy to start Ace. He was turned off by the idea of sidelining longtime riders for names (Koston always rode Thunders regardless).
Didn’t koston have an Indy ad where he was very clearly on thunders ? I deff remember photos from a Tampa trip where it was super obvious
it's too small to tell, but it's this one
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/19/31/4f/19314f1d1c998fd6cacfa30b35b69b8c--eric-koston-skateboarding.jpg)
also: watch his Chronicles 3 part again. his trucks change in literally every single clip
hahahhaha i didnt notice it til i saw the larger one - is there any footage of this? bs 180 to fakie 5-0???
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no footage of that Koston trick
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I remember chatter of that not being a make.
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
i have not
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hey're 14"wb and just a cunt hair under 32", with silver spoon concave which is a medium-deep concave with moderately pitched kicks
sounds pretty ideal, ill give one a shot. thanks dawg.
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
I had. There is some IG account called @groovedtrucks if I recall correctly
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
found it yeah
https://www.instagram.com/p/B51lz8JFZ4N/?igshid=p143ahg6ncd4
All types of brands
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6ErahWluDt/?igshid=17psqrm75iea5
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This one wins
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6KNwkXF8RR/?igshid=1kynyo4bvdlzu
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Damn their is a lot of cracked Indy’s on there. But it seems like there is kind of a bias. On some of the photos I saw there was sayings like another poorly made truck. When I know a guy who skates thunders and cracks them usually but they are very worn and grinded down when his thunders crack. And some of those Indy’s on that insta look pretty new.
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Damn their is a lot of cracked Indy’s on there. But it seems like there is kind of a bias. On some of the photos I saw there was sayings like another poorly made truck. When I know a guy who skates thunders and cracks them usually but they are very worn and grinded down when his thunders crack. And some of those Indy’s on that insta look pretty new.
thought the same
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This one wins
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6KNwkXF8RR/?igshid=1kynyo4bvdlzu
yo what the FUCK
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That's a good fucking insta! Props for bringing it up! 👍
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Is there an insta for super worn out wheels?
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Is there an insta for super worn out wheels?
There will be once you start it
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If my shop doesn't get 44s soon I'm jumping to venture
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I'm gonna get the big ventures i think. i wasn't but i watched that ben de gros video and now i want to. want to get some tricks in 2020
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What's up with the indy hate now? They feel on par with ace trucks to me.
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I'm gonna get the big ventures i think. i wasn't but i watched that ben de gros video and now i want to. want to get some tricks in 2020
6.1s? I want them too. Not sure what to set the up on, but they look cool
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What's up with the indy hate now? They feel on par with ace trucks to me.
They moved production to China.
That's literally it.
As for the drama happening behind the scenes, no one knows.
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What's up with the indy hate now? They feel on par with ace trucks to me.
They moved production to China.
That's literally it.
As for the drama happening behind the scenes, no one knows.
I think it's just kind of cool to hate them now (along with all the other NHS brands) because they've become even more of a big corporate type brand that seems to be more concerned with making money than advancing skateboarding. Basically the fact you see 25 kids at every skatepark with an Indy shirt on makes them seem far lamer these days. The JJ stuff lost them a lot of older fans too, being associated even by proxy with someone who has a (deserved) reputation for being a racist and neo-nazi is always going to piss people off, especially since skating is traditionally extremely diverse and that's one of the things that a lot of skaters I know take a certain pride in.
Interestingly, it seems like Venture is the new "cool" truck and there's a few hilarious IG accounts that both promote Venture and shit on Indy. Hobgoblinpivotcups is a good one.
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
Destructo are made in PRC. Good trucks though.
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
Destructo are made in PRC. Good trucks though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6JsZ1Bl5BH/?igshid=8qrnbqd3m6zl
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quim cardona left ace for destructo
Apparently Destructo is made in the US for you patriots.
But has anyone else been seeing a lot of cracked indys online lately?
Destructo are made in PRC. Good trucks though.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6JsZ1Bl5BH/?igshid=8qrnbqd3m6zl
(https://i.postimg.cc/cCs15xBF/20191218-082630.jpg)
These are D2s I got a few weeks ago. Maybe they're doing the new Squadrons at an LA foundry, or they might just be being somewhat vague about the term "made".
They are indeed great trucks though.
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They should bring back that cool ass logo with the 2 hammering guys, back in the day I was such a fool for it
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Maybe have an iron cross as your logo isn't so cool anymore?
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Maybe have an iron cross as your logo isn't so cool anymore?
i dont even want to say in hindsight because that was never a good idea
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The Indy logo is not an iron cross, those are typically pointed not round.
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The Indy logo is not an iron cross, those are typically pointed not round.
Shit... ok guys, never mind, Indy cross is ok.
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The Indy logo is not an iron cross, those are typically pointed not round.
Hahahaha yes
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just wiki'd how they came up with the logo..
Jim Phillips says in his 2007 book "The Art of Jim Phillips":
"...I began toying with the iron, or Maltese cross which was long dead as the old 60s surfer's cross, and even longer dead as the biker's cross. I used a beam compass to make it into a round shape, which looked completely different than the old square iron crosses... I took my idea into the NHS office the next morning and it went on the wall as usual. Jay and Rich each stared at it for a while, and they both thought that it looked a little too "Nazi". My sketches were rejected and I was sent back to the drawing board. I went back to my studio determined to use it, knowing it was the one. I searched my archives and scrap file for some justification for using the symbol. I found a firefighter's logo, symbols on the knights and Columbus sails. Then in my scrap file, under the letter P, I found a Time magazine cover of Pope John Paul from the June 18, 1979 edition. It was amazing; there was a cross on his vestments almost the way I designed mine. I marched into the office the next morning with the magazine to show what I thought was proof of acceptability. They both looked at each other and said, 'Well, if the Pope has it, it must be okay!' That was that, and the Independent cross was born."
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790618_400.jpg)
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790618_400.jpg)
Wonder if the Pope rides Aces or Venture now,there's no way he'd run Indys anymore
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790618_400.jpg)
He's Awake now
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlcMwm4l.jpg)
PS i was on photoshop mobile sorry for the shittiest shop
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Wonder if the Pope rides Aces or Venture now,there's no way he'd run Indys anymore
He's Awake now
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlcMwm4l.jpg)
PS i was on photoshop mobile sorry for the shittiest shop
Gnarred but totally missed an opportunity to color over the 10 and throw a court graffik or something in that upper right hand corner.
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Wonder if the Pope rides Aces or Venture now,there's no way he'd run Indys anymore
He's Awake now
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlcMwm4l.jpg)
PS i was on photoshop mobile sorry for the shittiest shop
Gnarred back for the great constructive criticism
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790618_400.jpg)
Probably he would change crosses so I'm saying Tensor.
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It's probably just me, but that pic of the Destructos in that IG post makes them look pretty nice.
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Trick photography.
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trends that don't sell: Norman Woods
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It's probably just me, but that pic of the Destructos in that IG post makes them look pretty nice.
Think of product shots the same way husky girls take photos.
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790618_400.jpg)
Pope of being awake,on magnesium,bravo either way arrbee! Gnars around
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Trading one cult for another...
(https://i.ibb.co/58Y59FD/261216333-10159289914280090-8505810853477762972-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/58Y59FD)
upload images (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/PD0r5Tw/product-image-909480059-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PD0r5Tw)
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Trading one cult for another...
(https://i.ibb.co/BZ4gPND/261216333-10159289914280090-8505810853477762972-n.jpg)
upload images (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/PD0r5Tw/product-image-909480059-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PD0r5Tw)
PAGING BOBBY PULEO
Nah, angles are all wrong.These are just a standard equal diamond. Bobby wouldn't bite.
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Any shape/symbol on top of hardware is a hate crime as far as I'm concerned.
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Any shape/symbol on top of hardware is a hate crime as far as I'm concerned.
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Is there an insta for super worn out wheels?
Yea sir
https://instagram.com/bearingcondoms?utm_medium=copy_link
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Any shape/symbol on top of hardware is a hate crime as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm about exit too. I just had axle slip on some 144s. It's 20fkin21 No Time For Slippin! Looking at Lurpiv. Ripluv. Lurp4. What even are words anymore.
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Any shape/symbol on top of hardware is a hate crime as far as I'm concerned.
randoms must be a terrorist organization then
(http://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHkvHHesPox4q7ki8tLHhGnsfH2cwFPWoyFQ&usqp=CAU)