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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Salty Lame Ass Poosey on September 21, 2018, 11:23:52 AM
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Ellis tronics pod cast with Colin Mckay.It’s interesting to hear Jason Ellis talk about being fired from XYZ because he had done sexual things with another man and he was basically forced to retire from the skateboard industry. He mentioned that Tas Who is going around telling everybody that he was gay and he also said that Tas was going to pay somebody to shoot him in the knee caps. Starts around the 12:30 mark.
https://m.soundcloud.com/ellistronics/colin-mckay
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This isn’t where I was expecting this thread to go based off of the title.
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InB4 pic of George Takei tickling Jason's fancy
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Totally forgot about this guy. Had to look him up on wiki. Found this:
"On 15 October 2016, Ellis participated in a boxing exhibition match against former UFC champion Shane Carwin at EllisMania 13. Per the unique rules, Carwin literally had one of his arms duct-taped to his body to box Ellis. Ellis lost the bout via knockout in the second round."
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
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14:12 - "i got fired, dude, from a company for it. xyz. like straight up. they called me and were like, 'fuck you. you're fired, like, you fucking bitch.' those dudes hated me."
never really knew much about xyz, but i guess i'm not shocked to hear jason say that based on the little bit of history i've gathered from skately:
XYZ was founded by Danny Way and Tommy Caudill in the early 1990's as a skate shop and mailorder based out of Carlsbad, CA. Then in the later 1990s, introduced XYZ Clothing as a full apparel and accessory brand. XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales.
http://skately.com/library/brands/xyz-clothing (http://skately.com/library/brands/xyz-clothing)
15:32 - "i got, like, homophobed out of skateboarding, kind of."
in looking at his wiki page, though, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Ellis_(radio_host) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Ellis_(radio_host)) - never knew about all his mma stuff), it does seem that jason was still pretty involved in the skateboarding world post when this xyz firing must have occurred. lots of hosting gigs for mainstream stuff, like x games, tony hawk's gigantic skatepark tour, op king of skate. the same can't be said for tim von werne, who, in 1998, had his skateboarder magazine interview pulled by birdhouse when they learned he planned to talk about being gay in it. i don't think he was ever really heard from much after that.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Could not agree more.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
So are we ready to confirm that Jonah Hill is a homophobe?
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can't wait for 10 years to pass so I can open thread like this about Jessee.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
I'm glad we've grown up. I think it is really cool that we've become way more open and I'd argue we are a lot further along than other "sports." We aren't perfect, but fuck, we are a lot better than the average NFL fan or player.
It is a bummer it took so long for Forrest, BA and others to come out, but at least they can finally come out and the road for younger gay dudes is a bit easier. It is awesome that KingShit was giving Hillary Thompson some coverage in 2011. And, I was stoked as fuck to see Nora rip with the dudes at DGC last weekend. It's cool we can have the ladies be part of the show without having to strip down to bikinis and just cheer from the sidelines.
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Not surprising but, he was already on his way out. He piled out pretty hard towards the end of his "career". A vert Pro on Powell was not a crowning achievement in the late 90s.
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It's not really surprising that Tas Pappas was/still is a raging piece of shit
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
what an idiotic, over-generalization. For most skateboarders in the 90s there was a sad division between social belonging or being true to yourself, and that meant being ostracized and picked on at worst, or being ignored at best. Skateboarding's never been perfect, but its sympathies in the 90's were distinctly aligned with the outsider, the weirdo, and the fag- If you never got called a skater-fag in the nineties, you were probably never there. In the nineties I said the word "gay" a lot, everything was gaygaygay, and I still hung out with lots of gay people and went out to gay bars too because they had better music and less people who wanted to beat me up, and girls there tended to be more open minded.
What did you do in the nineties? were you telling skaters they were homophobic pieces of shit like you are now, or did you keep most your thoughts up in your head like we all do?
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
lol
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I will forever remember Jason Ellis for holding and biting a still-beating heart that was just ripped from the shark in that one Red Dragons video and then seeing his ass in a PETA commercial like 5 years later
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It's not really surprising that Tas Pappas was/still is a raging piece of shit
hurrr durr lemmie try to smuggle cocaine on a plane hurrrrr durrrrrrrr
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Sings: "Me and Huffy, in a Ferrari...."
Didn't Ellis talk about being molested on the Howard Stern show or something similar?
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Sings: "Me and Huffy, in a Ferrari...."
Didn't Ellis talk about being molested on the Howard Stern show or something similar?
god! turn out the loights god. thank you.
yeah, that or he wrote about it in his book i think. his dad made him do stuff so w/ that in mind, he's actually well adjusted and good to see him succeed.
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XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales
Damn it would suck to be in that van. Heard bad shit about these guys. They musta got to Pat channita some how. Where were the wray Bros to help him out with clothes so he didn't have to be on that crazy, white as shit team......Ryan gee must have been the photographer. He follows some right wing crazys on the gram
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XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales
Damn it would suck to be in that van. Heard bad shit about these guys. They musta got to Pat channita some how. Where were the wray Bros to help him out with clothes so he didn't have to be on that crazy, white as shit team......Ryan gee must have been the photographer. He follows some right wing crazys on the gram
I think Jeremy was on Plan B with Channita and Jonas was on Platinum around that time frame. Honestly im a bit surprised they werent also on the team.
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so many of skateboarding's "heroes" are pieces of shit. not just the guys already mentioned. many have been able to keep things under wraps.
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XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales
Damn it would suck to be in that van. Heard bad shit about these guys. They musta got to Pat channita some how. Where were the wray Bros to help him out with clothes so he didn't have to be on that crazy, white as shit team......Ryan gee must have been the photographer. He follows some right wing crazys on the gram
Don't forget Mcrank......
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XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales
Damn it would suck to be in that van. Heard bad shit about these guys. They musta got to Pat channita some how. Where were the wray Bros to help him out with clothes so he didn't have to be on that crazy, white as shit team......Ryan gee must have been the photographer. He follows some right wing crazys on the gram
Don't forget Mcrank......
the wray brothers, alphonso rawls, bill weiss, jason maxwell, caine gayle. they had a squad!
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I will forever remember Jason Ellis solely for his role in Haggard.
http://youtu.be/NkosyS9oVfQ
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Def remember XYZ Platinum having a board with a gay flag with bullet holes in it, around the same time was when Danny Way spouted off tons of homophobia, there was the big brother interview where Carney was baiting him asking if his son turned out to be gay, he said something weird about a neighborhood and I later found out that was the gay neighborhood in San Diego and on and on. At that time that whole crew of dudes were the frat boys of skating, strippers, cocaine, full so cal bro lifestyle so of course they hated gay shit.
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XYZ still exists in some capacity and according to their IG is ran by Danny Way and Steve-O. Check out their IG, it's really weird, it seems sort of...out of place. Like it's stuck in 2004 right as the Jackass frenzy started to fade and everyone was ripping it off trying to ride the wake of it.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
I'm glad we've grown up. I think it is really cool that we've become way more open and I'd argue we are a lot further along than other "sports." We aren't perfect, but fuck, we are a lot better than the average NFL fan or player.
It is a bummer it took so long for Forrest, BA and others to come out, but at least they can finally come out and the road for younger gay dudes is a bit easier. It is awesome that KingShit was giving Hillary Thompson some coverage in 2011. And, I was stoked as fuck to see Nora rip with the dudes at DGC last weekend. It's cool we can have the ladies be part of the show without having to strip down to bikinis and just cheer from the sidelines.
funnily enough, xyz has an entire instagram account dedicated to women stripping down to their bikinis and cheering from the sidelines (and occasionally skating).
@xyzbabes - "The ultimate collection of babes repping the ultimate lifestyle brand @xyzclothing"
https://www.instagram.com/xyzbabes/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/xyzbabes/?hl=en)
XYZ still exists in some capacity and according to their IG is ran by Danny Way and Steve-O. Check out their IG, it's really weird, it seems sort of...out of place. Like it's stuck in 2004 right as the Jackass frenzy started to fade and everyone was ripping it off trying to ride the wake of it.
dude, you're not kidding. their content is rough. brand seems poised for a two felons collab.
https://www.instagram.com/xyzclothing/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/xyzclothing/?hl=en)
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1421/1464/products/zach_1024x1024.jpg?v=1510998663)
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XYZ star and stripes or some shit worst video ever
I was really into anything to do with world dc droors etc
I was into them when platinum started and they had henry Sanchez
As a child that started skateboarding in late 80’s Danny way and co
We’re allways looked up to by me but there was always something
About those dudes didn’t sit right. I thinking that after hearing a few stories
And something about that shotgun/Porsche board allways irked me.
It somewhat becomes more clear.
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XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales
Damn it would suck to be in that van. Heard bad shit about these guys. They musta got to Pat channita some how. Where were the wray Bros to help him out with clothes so he didn't have to be on that crazy, white as shit team......Ryan gee must have been the photographer. He follows some right wing crazys on the gram
Don't forget Mcrank......
heath was on for a sec, too. i remember that tailslide he does in sight unseen on a curved rail being an ad.
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XYZ Clothing team riders included Danny Way, Pat Channita, Pat Duffy, Peter Hewitt, Jason Ellis, Justin Bokma, Ben & Tas Pappas, Chet Thomas, Brian Emmers and a young Trainwreck amongst others. XYZ Clothing eventually called it quits around the year 2000 due to lack of sales
Damn it would suck to be in that van. Heard bad shit about these guys. They musta got to Pat channita some how. Where were the wray Bros to help him out with clothes so he didn't have to be on that crazy, white as shit team......Ryan gee must have been the photographer. He follows some right wing crazys on the gram
Don't forget Mcrank......
heath was on for a sec, too. i remember that tailslide he does in sight unseen on a curved rail being an ad.
I remember it
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(https://bodyartguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/xyz-logo-tattoo.jpg)
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Tommy Caudill seems like a dickhead
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
I'm glad we've grown up. I think it is really cool that we've become way more open and I'd argue we are a lot further along than other "sports." We aren't perfect, but fuck, we are a lot better than the average NFL fan or player.
It is a bummer it took so long for Forrest, BA and others to come out, but at least they can finally come out and the road for younger gay dudes is a bit easier. It is awesome that KingShit was giving Hillary Thompson some coverage in 2011. And, I was stoked as fuck to see Nora rip with the dudes at DGC last weekend. It's cool we can have the ladies be part of the show without having to strip down to bikinis and just cheer from the sidelines.
Point #1- Shit on the NFL if you want, but they supported a gay athlete coming out before the skate industry did. Think about that The JOCKS we always made fun of were more open-minded than us.
Point #2- Yes, we came a long way since then, where we appropriate gay culture (muscular shirtless men dancing to techno) at the most popular skate event.
Which I think is rad, BTW
Side point, for sms_b,
The 90’s were a mixed bag for sure. Epitomized by Big Brother. It was forward thinking enough to want to show the world gay skaters, but did not censor homophobic remarks (I think they wanted to show skaters for the idiots they were).
And yeah, two homophobic interviews I remember were Danny Way and Chet Childress, I lost respect for both of them after I read their articles.
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skateboarding is gay, skating vert is gayer, skating a mega ramp is super-duper ball lickingly gay
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Point #1- Shit on the NFL if you want, but they supported a gay athlete coming out before the skate industry did. Think about that The JOCKS we always made fun of were more open-minded than us.
Point #2- Yes, we came a long way since then, where we appropriate gay culture (muscular shirtless men dancing to techno) at the most popular skate event.
Which I think is rad, BTW
Point 1: Is there an openly gay NFL player? O’Callaghan had retired by the time he came out and Micheal Sam never made it past training camp.
Point 2: I need to think of a response to this.
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The 90’s were a mixed bag for sure. Epitomized by Big Brother.
(https://i.imgur.com/CB5zV3v.jpg)
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The Jake Brown TV story was good....
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XYZ star and stripes or some shit worst video ever
I was really into anything to do with world dc droors etc
I was into them when platinum started and they had henry Sanchez
As a child that started skateboarding in late 80’s Danny way and co
We’re allways looked up to by me but there was always something
About those dudes didn’t sit right. I thinking that after hearing a few stories
And something about that shotgun/Porsche board allways irked me.
It somewhat becomes more clear.
you are a fucking homophob. just bcuz danny way is gay dont mean shit how it sits with you.
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Point #1- Shit on the NFL if you want, but they supported a gay athlete coming out before the skate industry did. Think about that The JOCKS we always made fun of were more open-minded than us.
Point #2- Yes, we came a long way since then, where we appropriate gay culture (muscular shirtless men dancing to techno) at the most popular skate event.
Which I think is rad, BTW
Point 1: Is there an openly gay NFL player? O’Callaghan had retired by the time he came out and Micheal Sam never made it past training camp.
Point 2: I need to think of a response to this.
Point 1- retracted. You are right, I checked. I don’t follow football, I just remember something about gay players coming out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_American_football
To be fair, although he has a model, has BA skated in any kind of pro capacity since he came out?
Addendum- point 2 was not written in with the utmost of seriousness. However, Happy Hour skateboards did a Tom of Finland collab, which probably would have been unthinkable 10 years ago
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Yah skate wise 'the 90s' sucked. I liked the small wheels tho. I'm back on smaller wheels and I like it (47s). It sucked cause if you just did kfs,heelflips and Tre flips you'd get dissed(93 94). -imagine that. Vibes vibes vibes at all the spots. I was like 'fuck it' and was back on wider boards since 95.
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This is a confusing interview/monologue! It brings up a really depressing part of skateboarding history (which seems to move for the better), but that entire monologue... where is he going with it? Is it him trying to figure out his own sexuality on air? Is he gay? He keeps saying all kind of "I fucked some dudes, but I am mostly down to fuck chicks" and something about being just a little gay. He seems like he is not totally comfortable with not being completely straight. (and then the part about BA really brings up how important his coming out was)
Colin seems uncomfortable, though.
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Point #1- Shit on the NFL if you want, but they supported a gay athlete coming out before the skate industry did. Think about that The JOCKS we always made fun of were more open-minded than us.
Point #2- Yes, we came a long way since then, where we appropriate gay culture (muscular shirtless men dancing to techno) at the most popular skate event.
Which I think is rad, BTW
Point 1: Is there an openly gay NFL player? O’Callaghan had retired by the time he came out and Micheal Sam never made it past training camp.
Point 2: I need to think of a response to this.
Point 1- retracted. You are right, I checked. I don’t follow football, I just remember something about gay players coming out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_American_football
To be fair, although he has a model, has BA skated in any kind of pro capacity since he came out?
Addendum- point 2 was not written in with the utmost of seriousness. However, Happy Hour skateboards did a Tom of Finland collab, which probably would have been unthinkable 10 years ago
BA has done ads for Nike since he came out. No telling if it's new footy but there was that 18 Nike drop this past summer with a small part for both him and GT. He was also at a Go Skateboarding Day event this summer. I would say he's working just like most NYC pros.
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
Go on..
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I've always thought, just by statistics, between football, basketball, baseball, and hockey, there has to be some gay dudes. Just pure numbers. The Michael Sam thing was cool, but a real star needs to come out to make it legit. If someone like Aaron Rogers or Bryce Harper came out it would be way different. Kind of like BA coming out vs. some no-name am coming out. Not sure if guys are worried about image, losing contracts, losing endorsement, etc. There have always been rumors (just like BA).
90's skating rad rad in a lot of ways. Mostly that everyone who skated was pretty much down for each other. You could skate a slick marble ledge, then go hit a crusty ditch, all on 42mm wheels. The thing that sucked was never landing tricks because things were just too damn tech.
Ellis has had a crazy life. I was driving once and caught his episode of Stern. Dude's been all over the place.
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
Go on..
No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
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but that entire monologue... where is he going with it? Is it him trying to figure out his own sexuality on air? Is he gay? He keeps saying all kind of "I fucked some dudes, but I am mostly down to fuck chicks" and something about being just a little gay. He seems like he is not totally comfortable with not being completely straight.
You don't have to pick just one. You can fuck dudes but be mostly down to fuck chicks and not have to identify as gay or bi or straight or anything you don't want to identify as.
It is strange though that this is all in an interview with Colin McKay. I didn't listen to it, but awhile back I did a phone interview with Colin McKay and he made a remark about gay people that really bummed me out. But this was probably 10 years ago so I hope he has a more open mind now.
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what dones being gay have to do with skateboarding? unless they are sucking each other off in skateparks. this is some arbuement that you are less a homophob than each other. which makes you all gay
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
Go on..
No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
The fact that he did, doesn't mean that Ellis didn't though...
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To be fair, although he has a model, has BA skated in any kind of pro capacity since he came out?
It'd be interesting to ask BA, "Why now? What about this stage in your career, your life life, or the world encouraged you to come out?" I mean it was common knowledge that BA was down for dudes for at least a decade, but what encouraged him to come out now?
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
I'm glad we've grown up. I think it is really cool that we've become way more open and I'd argue we are a lot further along than other "sports." We aren't perfect, but fuck, we are a lot better than the average NFL fan or player.
It is a bummer it took so long for Forrest, BA and others to come out, but at least they can finally come out and the road for younger gay dudes is a bit easier. It is awesome that KingShit was giving Hillary Thompson some coverage in 2011. And, I was stoked as fuck to see Nora rip with the dudes at DGC last weekend. It's cool we can have the ladies be part of the show without having to strip down to bikinis and just cheer from the sidelines.
Forrest Edwards is gay??
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Forrest Edwards is gay??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yruF_Ez7P2Q
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Ellis is killing it on the weiner wallet front
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
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homophobes are pieces of shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yruF_Ez7P2Q
God damn that part holds up well.
I remember Jason Ellis was on one of those Tony Hawk Skatepark tours and he aired out of a vert ramp and grabbed the rafters and I thought that was awesome as a kid.
Fully surprised on this, with his style I would have imagined him on the other side of the coin, but I like that, proving stereotypes are often bullshit.
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You don't have to pick just one. You can fuck dudes but be mostly down to fuck chicks and not have to identify as gay or bi or straight or anything you don't want to identify as.
It is strange though that this is all in an interview with Colin McKay. I didn't listen to it, but awhile back I did a phone interview with Colin McKay and he made a remark about gay people that really bummed me out. But this was probably 10 years ago so I hope he has a more open mind now.
Oh I know - I didn't meant it to sound like there was anything weird about whichever way he orients sexually (I'm a little concerned with the way my English is looking right now - sorry if it turns to gibberish!), My point was more that he seemed to sort of tried to figure out or justify himself as he spoke... Or was I the only one who heard it like that? Maybe he is just very energetic or something, and I heard that as insecurity.
Bummer about Colin! I used to root for him, since I always found him pretty down to earth :-\
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
what an idiotic, over-generalization.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
Your argument here is built on faulty logic.
First, you state homophobes hate people for being gay and if you hate the homophobes you are equal to them. This doesn't make sense. If our homophobe moves past simple bias and engages in homophobic discrimination his behavior is pretty fucked up. When engaging in discrimination, our homophobe attempts to control who is allowed to make out with who. This is not exercising personal freedom, but an attempt to dominate others. Deciding who you want to make out with is very different than telling a couple of dudes, "Yea, I know you two want to make out, but I don't like the idea of that, so I've decided you cannot make out."
Yes, in society we have come up with rules that reduce people's freedoms, otherwise everything would fall apart. I'm sure some people are upset that they don't have the "freedom" to steal from other people or that they don't have the "freedom" to run red lights, but if they had this freedom our society would suck. Telling people don't run red lights, don't steal, don't punish people for engaging in consensual relationships, is not the same as attempting to control the super personal choice of who someone decides to fuck.
Second, let's just extend your logic and use it in other situations, and you can tell me if it holds up. The KKK hates Catholics, Blacks, Mexicans, immigrants, and so on. If you hate the KKK you are equal to them. Does that add up for you? The Nazis killed people. The USA, UK, and USSR killed Nazis. They are just as bad. How about that one?
Third, your attempt to equate calling one of your friends gay when you were 14 and XYZ telling Ellis, "Fuck off. We don't want your kind here" is a stretch. The two incidents are not equal.
Finally, you make it sound like all posters on SLAP are unable to ever consider that someone has changed and one is always the person he was 10-15 years ago. (This logic came up a lot in the JJ thread as well.) Of course people can change. People's beliefs and practices can change dramatically. The question is at what point do we know someone has changed? Shit, I think this thread is a testament to that as Colin appears to have grown up a bit and he is getting credit for it.
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I wasn’t part of the JJ thread, but I think u made great points. I feel the last few years I’ve been more quiet on the subject as I’m not gay but have a few friends who are, but just feel like I want peace when it “feels” that both sides aren’t wanting that. Again, u made great points, it felt to me that the conversation was very cyclical, but I’m definitely appreciating different points of view on this.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
what an idiotic, over-generalization. For most skateboarders in the 90s there was a sad division between social belonging or being true to yourself, and that meant being ostracized and picked on at worst, or being ignored at best. Skateboarding's never been perfect, but its sympathies in the 90's were distinctly aligned with the outsider, the weirdo, and the fag- If you never got called a skater-fag in the nineties, you were probably never there. In the nineties I said the word "gay" a lot, everything was gaygaygay, and I still hung out with lots of gay people and went out to gay bars too because they had better music and less people who wanted to beat me up, and girls there tended to be more open minded.
What did you do in the nineties? were you telling skaters they were homophobic pieces of shit like you are now, or did you keep most your thoughts up in your head like we all do?
I was calling people out on their homophobia then, just like I do now. I've been knocked out over it a few times too. Cause I'm stupid, and put myself into stupid situations because I'm not afraid and I fight for what I believe in.
So you can call me an idiot, I really don't care. I'm not the one who was admittedly dove tailing queer culture in the 90s while simultaneously verbally abusing that same culture by using an idiotic, over-generalization.
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What did Jake Johnson do again?
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What did Jake Johnson do again?
Had old footage skating alien boards in the quasi vid >:(
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this thread some how led to me watch rds fsu this morning
Canadians are a conflicted bunch of people
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You don't have to pick just one. You can fuck dudes but be mostly down to fuck chicks and not have to identify as gay or bi or straight or anything you don't want to identify as.
It is strange though that this is all in an interview with Colin McKay. I didn't listen to it, but awhile back I did a phone interview with Colin McKay and he made a remark about gay people that really bummed me out. But this was probably 10 years ago so I hope he has a more open mind now.
Oh I know - I didn't meant it to sound like there was anything weird about whichever way he orients sexually (I'm a little concerned with the way my English is looking right now - sorry if it turns to gibberish!), My point was more that he seemed to sort of tried to figure out or justify himself as he spoke... Or was I the only one who heard it like that? Maybe he is just very energetic or something, and I heard that as insecurity.
Bummer about Colin! I used to root for him, since I always found him pretty down to earth :-\
All good, sorry if I misunderstood. I also didn't listen to the interview, maybe that would have given me some context.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
what an idiotic, over-generalization. For most skateboarders in the 90s there was a sad division between social belonging or being true to yourself, and that meant being ostracized and picked on at worst, or being ignored at best. Skateboarding's never been perfect, but its sympathies in the 90's were distinctly aligned with the outsider, the weirdo, and the fag- If you never got called a skater-fag in the nineties, you were probably never there. In the nineties I said the word "gay" a lot, everything was gaygaygay, and I still hung out with lots of gay people and went out to gay bars too because they had better music and less people who wanted to beat me up, and girls there tended to be more open minded.
What did you do in the nineties? were you telling skaters they were homophobic pieces of shit like you are now, or did you keep most your thoughts up in your head like we all do?
I was calling people out on their homophobia then, just like I do now. I've been knocked out over it a few times too. Cause I'm stupid, and put myself into stupid situations because I'm not afraid and I fight for what I believe in.
So you can call me an idiot, I really don't care. I'm not the one who was admittedly dove tailing queer culture in the 90s while simultaneously verbally abusing that same culture by using an idiotic, over-generalization.
I don't think you're an idiot, I think you're angry and equating that with being right and/or progressive, which maybe you are, but where I take issue with you, is your description in such violent terms of skateboarding as a scene.
Society is homophobic then as now, don't think it's not just because you can watch project runway. But in the 90s when gay culture was more clearly separate from mainstream culture, there was a certain amount of natural overlap with skateboarding, mostly through club culture, just like there was with punk, or hip-hop. Of course there are exceptions to every rule and I'm not trying to suggest that skateboarding was actively pro-gay (skateboarding isn't very sexual in general imo), I'm just saying that given the social landscape in the 90s, the level of integration between homosexuality and skateboarding was no worse than most and in some ways it was better.
Take the long-running Big Brother rumour that Ed Templeton was gay: yes, it held a degree of homophobia, but at the same time it was progressive. There's no way sports illustrated would have openly suggested that a famous football player was gay, because it was such a terrible secret to be gay right? But in Ed's case he didn't even deny it, he even sort of encouraged it, and it helped normalize homosexuality in skateboarding to have it discussed out in the open, even as a sort-of joke, at least it did for me.
Today people criticize 917 for some of the fire island references or "dovetailing" gay culture as you put it, but take a look at the bigger picture: here's one of the more popular skateboard brands proclaiming that gay culture is cool by association. In mainstream culture today, you have very few individuals or companies explicitly making that association, most brands (including non-skate brands) are still marketed in very segregated ways. Even something as crude as the butthole AH board (a reference to Andy Roy's jail sex I believe) is still a coded allusion to Andy engaging in gay sex. Find me another example of someone marketing sports equipment to a non-specifically gay market, using an athlete's homosexuality as a selling point.
Again, my point is not that skateboarding is perfect, far far from it: but considered relative to wider popular culture, I think it has historically fostered a certain awareness of difference that over time becomes acceptance and even appreciation.
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No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
The fact that he did, doesn't mean that Ellis didn't though...
Did he date her or something or just smashed and bailed? I wanna know everything.
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Most gay is urge and fetish like I like, only downside to full mentally gays is u can't reproduce. Faggot means annoying and I do t use gay for lame cause its not fashionable no more. I doubt any u guys except the gay ones actually feel bad about talkin like that in the 90s, doubt it, u just showin out it, was straight up cultural norm.
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To be fair, although he has a model, has BA skated in any kind of pro capacity since he came out?
It'd be interesting to ask BA, "Why now? What about this stage in your career, your life life, or the world encouraged you to come out?" I mean it was common knowledge that BA was down for dudes for at least a decade, but what encouraged him to come out now?
Money/Attention/The popularity of gender and identity politics.
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this thread some how led to me watch rds fsu this morning
Canadians are a conflicted bunch of people
Actually id say Canada is far from conflicted and the states is quite conflicted these days.
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most homophobz secretly want that dick.
if you get triggered when you read this.. that means you.
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most homophobz secretly want that dick.
if you get triggered when you read this.. that means you.
I'm heterosexual, but have sucked dick before. No trigger here.
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To be fair, although he has a model, has BA skated in any kind of pro capacity since he came out?
It'd be interesting to ask BA, "Why now? What about this stage in your career, your life life, or the world encouraged you to come out?" I mean it was common knowledge that BA was down for dudes for at least a decade, but what encouraged him to come out now?
Money/Attention/The popularity of gender and identity politics.
I gotta say that's a pretty cynical take. There was no guarantee that being out would have gone well at all. I think it probably had more to do with being in a particular position as lot of people's favorite, the fact that it was a bit of an open secret and that he was in the twilight years of his pro career. The Reda doc talks at length about how much fear was involved over the span of many years.
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To be fair, although he has a model, has BA skated in any kind of pro capacity since he came out?
It'd be interesting to ask BA, "Why now? What about this stage in your career, your life life, or the world encouraged you to come out?" I mean it was common knowledge that BA was down for dudes for at least a decade, but what encouraged him to come out now?
Money/Attention/The popularity of gender and identity politics.
I gotta say that's a pretty cynical take. There was no guarantee that being out would have gone well at all. I think it probably had more to do with being in a particular position as lot of people's favorite, the fact that it was a bit of an open secret and that he was in the twilight years of his pro career. The Reda doc talks at length about how much fear was involved over the span of many years.
I'm a natural cynic. My suspicions of profit/a career boost/self-interest aside, I do think this particular time was the best chance for BA to come out and live a normal life.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yruF_Ez7P2Q
God damn that part holds up well.
I remember Jason Ellis was on one of those Tony Hawk Skatepark tours and he aired out of a vert ramp and grabbed the rafters and I thought that was awesome as a kid.
Fully surprised on this, with his style I would have imagined him on the other side of the coin, but I like that, proving stereotypes are often bullshit.
Damn! That part does hold up! Nowadays I think most skaters wouldn’t give a shit if your gay or bi or straight. But I’m also 26 years old so I have no idea what younger people think these days. Different times back when for sure though.Hopefully skaters are open minded to this kind of thing.
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Check Out/Check In this month in TWS is Forrest Kirby. It was a good read.
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
& caine gayle i think
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If BA hadn't of come out by now, we'd be talking about how much he's milking it not how terrible his fits are.
Coming out has given his skate career at least another 5 years of longevity.
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Also, Jason Ellis has tricks in RDS FSU 2001 which was after XYZ. Given the two brands seem pretty similar and have the common Colin McKay/D Way theme, he can't have been blacklisted too hard?
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Also, Jason Ellis has tricks in RDS FSU 2001 which was after XYZ. Given the two brands seem pretty similar and have the common Colin McKay/D Way theme, he can't have been blacklisted too hard?
Colin and Danny seem like the type to be racist and have black friends but claim they’re friends are “the good ones.”
And that type of person also usually states “I’m not racist, but...” or “that word actually means ignorant person, you don’t have to be black.”
That variant of garbage human but homophobic.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
There’s a difference beteeen saying, “gay,” when you’re 10 and hating people for their sexual orientation. I don’t know where you fall but you probably are a piece of shit regardless.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
I’d say I was or at the very least was ignorant of what I was doing/saying. I need more grace I guess, and that’s
Kinda what I was wanting to shed light on, do we just keep calling each other “pieces of shit” or really try and learn from our mistakes and show grace for others who aren’t catching on so quickly. I don’t think history will be kind to them as it shouldn’t be.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
I’d say I was or at the very least was ignorant of what I was doing/saying. I need more grace I guess, and that’s
Kinda what I was wanting to shed light on, do we just keep calling each other “pieces of shit” or really try and learn from our mistakes and show grace for others who aren’t catching on so quickly. I don’t think history will be kind to them as it shouldn’t be.
I agree. Even if someone is a piece of shit, generally calling them a piece of shit isn't the right choice. Sure it feels good. But I think grace is the perfect way to put it. You can call someone out on their bull shit and do it with grace.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like
homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Homophobes think gay people are “pieces of shit” , you think homophobes are pieces of shit. Now that you are both on the same level, what are you going to do? Like I’m not bashing you, I’m asking what comes next for you? It just sounds like it continues this nasty cycle. Growing up I would say “gay” like something was lame. To be honest I don’t think me or my friends understood what we were really doing/saying. I hate that I used those words but I did, now I’ve learned, but is it this thing that I should just be condemned a huge piece of shit forever?
I’d say I was or at the very least was ignorant of what I was doing/saying. I need more grace I guess, and that’s
Kinda what I was wanting to shed light on, do we just keep calling each other “pieces of shit” or really try and learn from our mistakes and show grace for others who aren’t catching on so quickly. I don’t think history will be kind to them as it shouldn’t be.
This^ there just has to be a way that shows better results, there’s so many people who like that attention and just fuel this unnecessary fire.
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
Go on..
No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
The fact that he did, doesn't mean that Ellis didn't though...
Did he date her or something or just smashed and bailed? I wanna know everything.
according to this article, apparently sheckler’s younger brother is named kane after caine gayle.... soooooooooooo
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687 (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687)
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you sure it's after caine gayle and not the big red monster?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyDT2QdMnXg
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Most gay is urge and fetish like I like, only downside to full mentally gays is u can't reproduce. Faggot means annoying and I do t use gay for lame cause its not fashionable no more. I doubt any u guys except the gay ones actually feel bad about talkin like that in the 90s, doubt it, u just showin out it, was straight up cultural norm.
you sound like a homophobe
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Most gay is urge and fetish like I like, only downside to full mentally gays is u can't reproduce. Faggot means annoying and I do t use gay for lame cause its not fashionable no more. I doubt any u guys except the gay ones actually feel bad about talkin like that in the 90s, doubt it, u just showin out it, was straight up cultural norm.
you sound like a piece of shit!
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
Go on..
No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
The fact that he did, doesn't mean that Ellis didn't though...
Did he date her or something or just smashed and bailed? I wanna know everything.
according to this article, apparently sheckler’s younger brother is named kane after caine gayle.... soooooooooooo
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687 (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687)
Fuck that article is terrible.
The boy bounces on the canvas, his calf muscles tightened in small knots as he manipulates a skate deck with his feet
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Most gay is urge and fetish like I like, only downside to full mentally gays is u can't reproduce.
What the fuck does this sentence mean?
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Most gay is urge and fetish like I like, only downside to full mentally gays is u can't reproduce.
Here, I'll fix it: "Most of the gay is the urge and the type of fetish that I like I, the only downside to the fully mentally gays is that you can't reproduce."
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Most gay is urge and fetish like I like, only downside to full mentally gays is u can't reproduce.
Here, I'll fix it: "Most of the gay is the urge and the type of fetish that I like I, the only downside to the fully mentally gays is that you can't reproduce."
There.
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This makes no sense at all
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
Go on..
No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
The fact that he did, doesn't mean that Ellis didn't though...
Did he date her or something or just smashed and bailed? I wanna know everything.
according to this article, apparently sheckler’s younger brother is named kane after caine gayle.... soooooooooooo
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687 (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687)
Fuck that article is terrible.
The boy bounces on the canvas, his calf muscles tightened in small knots as he manipulates a skate deck with his feet
lol they described Tony Hawk in this article as a committed family man.
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But wait wasn't it he who had sex with sheckler's mom?
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No it was this guy, Cain Gayle
(https://imageshack.com/i/pnJHLkWMj)
The fact that he did, doesn't mean that Ellis didn't though...
Did he date her or something or just smashed and bailed? I wanna know everything.
according to this article, apparently sheckler’s younger brother is named kane after caine gayle.... soooooooooooo
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687 (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/05/news/mn-31687)
SAVAGE
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Caine Gayle... Damn, it's been a while since I heard that name.
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First Thrasher I bought was in Feb 89 right after the Gator interview in Transworld which he said he was gay, I think in jest. Anyway someone wrote into Thrasher saying he was gonna burn his Gator board (sound familiar Nike?) and even though I was only 14 and didn't know any way people I thought it was fucking lame that he would not like Gator cause he was gay. Maybe people were homophobic but I never understood it, and now come to think of it this may have been my first experience with homophobia and maybe it somehow shaped my current world view. Thanks Thrasher
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First Thrasher I bought was in Feb 89 right after the Gator interview in Transworld which he said he was gay, I think in jest. Anyway someone wrote into Thrasher saying he was gonna burn his Gator board (sound familiar Nike?) and even though I was only 14 and didn't know any way people I thought it was fucking lame that he would not like Gator cause he was gay. Maybe people were homophobic but I never understood it, and now come to think of it this may have been my first experience with homophobia and maybe it somehow shaped my current world view. Thanks Thrasher
*Gaytor?
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First Thrasher I bought was in Feb 89 right after the Gator interview in Transworld which he said he was gay, I think in jest. Anyway someone wrote into Thrasher saying he was gonna burn his Gator board (sound familiar Nike?) and even though I was only 14 and didn't know any way people I thought it was fucking lame that he would not like Gator cause he was gay. Maybe people were homophobic but I never understood it, and now come to think of it this may have been my first experience with homophobia and maybe it somehow shaped my current world view. Thanks Thrasher
That same person was probably super in to gator murdering that girl though, so it all comes full circle.
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See this is the thing that gets me about all this 90s nostalgia bullshit that's ongoing. The 90s fucking sucked and skateboarders were in general homophobic pieces of shit who for the most part acted like low-brow jocks with a Napoleon complex. At least where I was from, you were a fucking kook for thinking homosexuality was okay. I remain to this day one happy kook cause I'll never get the hate and think on a personal level that if you don't like homosexuality it probably means that you're in the closet. Or it just means you are a piece of shit.
Yeah there was definitely a feeling that gay was not fucking cool in the 90's. Ironically, all my skater friends were okay with it when I came out, but I didn't find out about that until much later.
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It'd be interesting to ask BA, "Why now? What about this stage in your career, your life life, or the world encouraged you to come out?" I mean it was common knowledge that BA was down for dudes for at least a decade, but what encouraged him to come out now?
I think I remember him discussing that in his Vice interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZU5K3y7QhU