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Skateboarding => PHOTOS/VIDEO => Topic started by: euro tm on January 21, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
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http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/videos/cookies-war-and-peace/
i don't get why this wasn't in the video. element poosy
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My fucking mind is melted!
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Is this them trying to casually brush off the fact that they fucked up by not including this? That was incredible!
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jon miner must really hate this guy
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Wow, imagine filming an incredible part over the last year or 2 and going to the premiere of the video you've been filming for and not being in it. Was there ever an explanation why he wasn't in it? This would've been one of the best parts in the video for sure.
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Let's dipset guys
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Wow Element you fucked up
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Jesus, that was fucked.
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Mind blowing part. Element, I wish this was on my DVD.
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Holy SHIT. That was incredible.
Seriously, why the hell did Miner not include this in the video?
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taken from the "element 'peace' out on itunes now" thread. not sure if any of it's true.
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What happened with cookie_doe?
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Can someone please tell me what the fuck happened to Chris Colbourn & Element?
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Absolutely incredible part
Chris is a great human
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Poor dude being called Cookie all the time
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Miner attempting damage control on Instagram:
A lot of thought went into figuring out how to spotlight what a special and amazing skater Cookie is. Releasing his part on Thrasher through War and Peace allowed the opportunity to explore his unique approach to skating the cuts around LA, alongside all the amazing footage he collected for Peace. I really hope you all enjoy this extended edit.
Something fishy is up. You don't sit on arguably the best amateur part of the last 3 years and quietly release it as an outtakes edit.
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Maybe the rights for these super epic tunes he skates to weren't in the Peace budget
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Something fishy is up. You don't sit on arguably the best amateur part of the last 3 years and quietly release it as an outtakes edit.
This! why is this a part of war and peace? I skip a lot of rough cuts, so I havn't seen War and peace at all, and now they hide this as a rough cut?
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Something fishy is up. You don't sit on arguably the best amateur part of the last 3 years and quietly release it as an outtakes edit.
This isn't even a rough cut. There's music and it's all makes and all that shit. Regular part. I guess you can't really throw a 10 minute part for one of your ams that makes some of your less performing pros look like assholes in the middle of the full video.
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Amazing part should have been in peace. Dude had an amazing Worble part nothing this guy can’t skate.
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War & peace = of element?
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"there is no room for you in MY video" - jon miner
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Something fishy is up. You don't sit on arguably the best amateur part of the last 3 years and quietly release it as an outtakes edit.
This isn't even a rough cut. There's music and it's all makes and all that shit. Regular part. I guess you can't really throw a 10 minute part for one of your ams that makes some of your less performing pros look like assholes in the middle of the full video.
Yeah because the world really needed another part from Julian Davidson to remind us how mediocre he is.
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Seems like part of a bigger strategy element has for more long term interest in the peace project.
Like they hold this part back, release it later and drum up interest for element and peace again
Who else did they hold back?
Perhaps Bams war and peace will come out next
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Lol Element is all over the place with these. They put out the rough cuts of dudes that may or may not have quit already, and then this edited part that was neglected from the video?
He skated some sick spots though. Maybe Element was afraid that Jordan Maxham being in the background of too many clips.
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Psyched this finally saw the light of day. I had a feeling that 50 on the rail overlooking the freeway made a better pic than it did a clip but whatever because that shove nosegrind back 180 out up the bank onto the dumpster was hot as fuck.
Element why wasn't this part included in your big release from a few months back?
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LOL, imagine putting a Julian Davidson part in the video and not having any Cookie footage. Not even an edited down version of this.
No wonder everyone's leaving, Element totally blowing it. He'd been filming for Peace for years and then literally isn't in the video once. Chris deserves better and I hope he's leaving with the others.
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Element hasn't put up a social media post or anything. Pretty sad seeing one of the best skateboarders ever getting nothing from his main sponsor.
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Really good. Better than most the element video
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what the fuck does he have to do to go pro?
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Mind blowing part. Element, I wish this was on my DVD.
there's dvds?
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I wonder who edited this... I used that same Mogwai song in my Kenny Anderson purple re-edit that quarter snacks posted...
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Seems like part of a bigger strategy element has for more long term interest in the peace project.
Like they hold this part back, release it later and drum up interest for element and peace again
Who else did they hold back?
Perhaps Bams war and peace will come out next
Mark Appleyard war and peace comming soon.
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so strange this wasnt in the video.
How come sascha Daily wasnt in the video?
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fuck element this part was sick and this dude is dope someone turn this guy pro so we can buy his shit
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This not being in Peace is no Peace, just War.
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Element hasn't put up a social media post or anything. Pretty sad seeing one of the best skateboarders ever getting nothing from his main sponsor.
They posted it on their @elementskateboards page but they still fucked up big time. Should’ve turned him pro at the premiere
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I get such a strong...youth pastor vibe from him. Great fucking part.
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That was single handedly the best stand alone part since Dylan’s Gravis part. The dude literally had it all. I’d seen the photo of this dude on the LA highway or whatever, but other then that this is my first glimpse. Kid can go big, extreme skill, great bag of tricks, fantastic spot selection, and not an unbelievable style but not a bad one. This is obviously a SOTY push. stack this dudes footage in 2019, and do a flow to SOTY just like foy. Element desperately wants SOTY.
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nothing says obvious SOTY push like getting excluded from your sponsor's video and having all your footage released in January
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So this is technically last part then, yeah?
That feeble 360 out on the bank was a treat.
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That was soo good. They did very little to advertise this part and their explanations just don't cut it or make any sense. But hey lets turn Tyson Peterson pro right.
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nothing says obvious SOTY push like getting excluded from your sponsor's video and having all your footage released in January
Getting that crucial 11 month jump on the proceedings.
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Maybe they didn't put it in the video because it would ruin the bland vibe of the video? :-\
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nothing says obvious SOTY push like getting excluded from your sponsor's video and having all your footage released in January
If he’s working on something with miner that’s special, I’m sure this is just like the b-sides. If this cat drops two more parts of this caliber the rest of the year, and a few banger tricks. How the fuck you gonna deny this man SOTY? Elijah’s part with Greg Hunt might be something special considering he’s only ever done one solo part, and that was the Dylan Gravis piece and that along with his 3 major productions been generational level videos. My call right now is an easy SOTY race between the two.
EDIT: plus why have him compete with nyjah, Evan, westgate, and mason? They were the next 4 dudes I would have picked behind TJ. Why not stagger out your other dudes for SOTY the coming year if you think they are capable. Seems stupid to put all your eggs in one basket of a year considering element looks like they are desperate for SOTY.
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Maybe they didn't put it in the video because it would ruin the bland vibe of the video? :-\
This might be a hot take, but in terms of a "vibe," this part and especially it's music certainly fit within the "bland vibe" of Peace. Dude rips but much like the rest of Peace, sans Westgate and a few others, I really do not give a fuck.
Maybe Element was banking on Evan getting SOTY '18 and wanted to push this to '19 in an attempt to get some sort of Flip 2000/2001 back to back SOTY push?
None of the arguments really make sense from a conspiracy theory point of view - all I can think of is Element/Miner knows that a skate video's shelf life nowadays is very short comparative to the amount of time one puts into them. Perhaps spacing this out gets people talking about the video again when the world has collectively moved on - especially when Blessed came out such a short time later.
Even that seems like a stretch.
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This part was sick an a great representation of Chris's skating but nothing will top skating with him irl. Watching him grow up and how fast he progressed and the style he had as a kid, you just knew he was going to be great. I'm happy he chilled on the yo maneuvers though ( sorry if you're reading this Chris haha )
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Switch 5050 that flat rail over the gate was rad. Skating homes is so stressful.
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I wonder who edited this... I used that same Mogwai song in my Kenny Anderson purple re-edit that quarter snacks posted...
I would assume Miner? Dude has been running Mogwai since 2003.
Pretty insane to not credit filmer/editer on this.
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That part was insane.
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that was bananas. shuv nose grind kickflip out, AND it looked good?!
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WOW. Early leader for best part of '19. Would have been top 4 part on the video with Mason, Madars, Westgate.
WTF ELEMENT?
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He threatened to walk they didn’t turn him pro.
Called his bluff but it was too late for the vid. Released his part online as punishment.
I think this was already a thread.
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He threatened to walk they didn’t turn him pro.
Called his bluff but it was too late for the vid. Released his part online as punishment.
I think this was already a thread.
that is so untrue it hurt to read
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nothing says obvious SOTY push like getting excluded from your sponsor's video and having all your footage released in January
If he’s working on something with miner that’s special, I’m sure this is just like the b-sides. If this cat drops two more parts of this caliber the rest of the year, and a few banger tricks. How the fuck you gonna deny this man SOTY? Elijah’s part with Greg Hunt might be something special considering he’s only ever done one solo part, and that was the Dylan Gravis piece and that along with his 3 major productions been generational level videos. My call right now is an easy SOTY race between the two.
EDIT: plus why have him compete with nyjah, Evan, westgate, and mason? They were the next 4 dudes I would have picked behind TJ. Why not stagger out your other dudes for SOTY the coming year if you think they are capable. Seems stupid to put all your eggs in one basket of a year considering element looks like they are desperate for SOTY.
what’s the word on this? haven’t heard about this till now/seen anything posted.
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Seems like part of a bigger strategy element has for more long term interest in the peace project.
Like they hold this part back, release it later and drum up interest for element and peace again
Who else did they hold back?
Perhaps Bams war and peace will come out next
Mark Appleyard war and peace comming soon.
I know it's a joke but would kill for any form of Appleyard clips
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I always thought he is one of the best of his generation and this finally cements it, what a killer. Hell yeah! But what the fuck Element.
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That was a trip
The fact that he ollied up that 4 stair before the smith grind impossible is so cool
Felt like I was watching some golden-days AWS video for a bit until the Element logo came up at the end
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that was incredible, should have been in the vid for sure
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imagine putting out an MJ-esque Fully Flared part in 2018 for one of the most anticipated videos of the year and finding it ends up on thrasher a few months later...
this part was incredible and should've been put onto everyones phones just like U2 did
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I think it's just a ploy to keep Element relevant for a few more months. They knew this part was insane and releasing it separate will probably generate more ad rev/ traffic to them than including it in the full length that not everyone is going to buy. Also, it's a part that will probably get reposted on social media for weeks
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Eh, I'm starting to understand Miner's thinking.
Peace still isn't free to view online, and Miner thought this part was monumental enough (it most definitely is) to give to the masses. Seems like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place - highly-anticipated full length video with tons of A-list pros pushing for screen time, and a hungry am who arguably upstaged the entire lineup with 10 minutes of footage.
Still, the part was posted rather unceremoniously and I think it should have been branded as its own standalone video, maybe even months down the road.
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Maybe someone will poach cookie from element. Turn him pro and all of this back fires on element. Then for the extra salt in the wound he gets SOTY.
But in all seriousness with how fast guys are jumping ship from element they should probably put the ones willing to stay on a pedestal and give them the shine they deserve
Edit: maybe with some of the guys leaving this will leave some room for him to get turned pro etc
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So, Cookie got left out of the full length because “more editing freedom and higher viewership of a web edit”?? Seems legit. Maybe Mason and Evan quit because they weren’t left out too....
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Miner, while competent, is the most overrated filmer/editor change my mind
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Miner, while competent, is the most overrated filmer/editor change my mind
You don't think "make it green for 20 years" is groundbreaking?
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Call me crazy, but I think element is really showing its cards by hanging Miner out to dry here.
That part is fucking amazing and no amount of spin is going to save them from not including it in the video.
RIP element in 2019.
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I'm pretty sure the rumor was one of the reasons why Tyson, Mason and Evan walked from Element was because of the company's decision to continue working with Miner. I've always liked his videos but the handling of this part and then the weird justification makes me think maybe their decision to leave makes more sense now.
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hes actually so good, very well rounded.
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Element hasn't put up a social media post or anything. Pretty sad seeing one of the best skateboarders ever getting nothing from his main sponsor.
They posted it on their @elementskateboards page but they still fucked up big time. Should’ve turned him pro at the premiere
Fucked up huge, one post so far, and some other team/homie posts. As a marketing person, whoever is over there should be fired immediately.
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I'm pretty sure the rumor was one of the reasons why Tyson, Mason and Evan walked from Element was because of the company's decision to continue working with Miner. I've always liked his videos but the handling of this part and then the weird justification makes me think maybe their decision to leave makes more sense now.
Have Tyson and Evan officially left yet?
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I'm pretty sure the rumor was one of the reasons why Tyson, Mason and Evan walked from Element was because of the company's decision to continue working with Miner. I've always liked his videos but the handling of this part and then the weird justification makes me think maybe their decision to leave makes more sense now.
Have Tyson and Evan officially left yet?
I believe only Mason made an announcement so far but Tyson's apparently been hanging out at Bakerboys and Evan was skating that Zero board at Street League so I think it's probably just a matter of time (and selling off some inventory.)
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I'm pretty sure the rumor was one of the reasons why Tyson, Mason and Evan walked from Element was because of the company's decision to continue working with Miner. I've always liked his videos but the handling of this part and then the weird justification makes me think maybe their decision to leave makes more sense now.
Have Tyson and Evan officially left yet?
I believe only Mason made an announcement so far but Tyson's apparently been hanging out at Bakerboys and Evan was skating that Zero board at Street League so I think it's probably just a matter of time (and selling off some inventory.)
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I'm pretty sure the rumor was one of the reasons why Tyson, Mason and Evan walked from Element was because of the company's decision to continue working with Miner. I've always liked his videos but the handling of this part and then the weird justification makes me think maybe their decision to leave makes more sense now.
Have Tyson and Evan officially left yet?
I believe only Mason made an announcement so far but Tyson's apparently been hanging out at Bakerboys and Evan was skating that Zero board at Street League so I think it's probably just a matter of time (and selling off some inventory.)
Tyson's on Baker
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Cookie out-Evan Smithed Evan Smith in this part.
Remember this shit? https://theberrics.com/paul-rodriguez-vs-chris-colbourn-batbx
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All I can think about is Cookie Lyon from Empire and how would she feel about all of this?
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i remember when the nine club interviewed him on location following his dew tour win in long beach. from what he was saying, it seemed he was under the impression that his footage would be featured in peace. if you want to check it out, his interview starts at 1:55:45 and lasts about 15 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVf0XNJPlyE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVf0XNJPlyE)
looking back through element's instagram posts, it's clear they place a high value on contest skating. gotta love them writing "the harder you work the luckier you get" and "he’s qualified to skate in the pro event today." oh he's qualified alright.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BknrQbQl57p/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BknrQbQl57p/)
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That part was incredible. Dude rips.
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Element and Miner kooked it on this one for sure - really “highlighting” him by putting a web edit on thrasher. If you go to Thrasher’s page his video is already halfway down the list on their homepage. Soon it will be on the second page, off of their embedded player and disappear into the void of pixels. If I was a Cookie I’d snickerdoodle to another company fo sho. Disrespek!
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That part was incredible. Dude rips.
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Great part! Some fishy shit going on behind the scenes though....
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One for the conspiracy theorist. Evan refused SOTY cause Cookie came through with some fire only to get shafted when the video dropped, would also explain the reasoning behind the rumor of three of their brightest talents possibly dipping months after the video dropped.
Anyways not saying that this one part would have won him SOTY but it for certain would have changed the conversation up a bit, that shit was way too sick. Gotta be some juicy insider info on this one, cover ups of sorts cause something dont sit right. He had so much hype after the freeway photo, how could you sleep on this kid. And at the least give the kid a full part of his own, a solo project in his name, not related to war and peace. Up until this point that shit was that was all bsides, what a slap to the fuckin face. Is that why my shit is worth to you? A full part in your b side video? Child please. Element slacking for sure. Dude mad loyal for sticking round for certain idk why maybe he felt like he cant get on anywhere elsewhere for some crazy reason, but after this I'm sure as shit he will jumping ship soon. Wouldnt be surprised if the rest of them dudes who was rumored too leave do as well after this. Super fucky for sure.
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Why no clip of this angle?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnT9XMkhHyu/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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evan, tyson, mason leaving will open up spots for colbourn and sascha but i feel like its such a reactionary move.
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Sascha is already a international pro for element canada, kinda got shafted on that and then again with this video.. fuck element
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This part could of dang near ended the video. I think it would have fit in right after Madars part, he’ll be pro soon.
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That was fucked up good
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Now that I’ve had some time to think of it over the day. There are a few things that could be going on, elements always been fishy as fuck, if you’ve ever ran into and hung with element riders u would know what I mean. they have easily the greatest team in skateboarding, whether anybody likes it or not, in terms of raw fucking talent. They scouted out Europe for years cultivating talent until it became relevant to really do something with that. They are like the San Antonio Spurs of skating. They grab them young, teach them how to be professionals, give them long long ass contracts and cultivate talent globally. They farmed dudes for years. The only dudes who u could say they “poached”(oh yeah I guess I should mention I’m talking about elements modern team), was westgate and appleyard. Westgate’s a stretch tho because zoo literally is done or he saw it coming basically, and he had nowhere to go.
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i dont understand the hype with this guy...
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Seems like a botched roll out.
Thrasher is the hub of skate media now, but for a larger company like Element, who no doubt aspires to be the elite of skating, releasing with them has the clear downside that the video is no different than some part from an unknown shop video to a viewer scrolling.
I can't remember much of it, but Peace was fairly long, right? Would have been smarter to release a few 15-20 minute videos across a few months and heavily hype each one. Then release them all as a full video or something if need be. A full video then some straggling parts is odd and seems entirely disjointed. Peace, War and Peace...what?
Also people claiming this fellow for SOTY...come on. He's good...but, again, come on.
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At least they also put it up on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLlHDtfUt4&pbjreload=10
Here, it's also under War and Peace (not just Peace), once more suggesting a rough cut.
Triumph for young Odenkirk, disgrace for Element.
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Okay I’ll cave and finally buy an (his) element board.
Holy shit that was amazing.
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I respect Miner responding to the IG comments but he sort of speaks to the irrelevance of full lengths. Heartbreaking as it is they are truly relics of a past generation. Just in the last year alone their were 4/5 fantastic full lengths that I doubt will ever have the impact of the vids of our youth ... cookie soty19 !!!
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i'm dead serious when i say that was one of the best parts i've seen over the past several years. incredible. fuck yes cookie, element stop being shifty
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I wish they would just come out and say "Look we are pushing for a Cookie SOTY 2019 campaign so that's why we kept his part for 2019" Instead of these ridiculous reasons as to why it made more sense to leave him out of Element's latest full length in years. Why not shorten his part with nothing but bangers and then come out with a second part after the fact with all of his leftover footy. Or a small teaser part in the video before the full part. At least then you wouldn't single him out and end up saying " Hey...well at least you can see his part for free.... Go Buy Peace now available on Itunes, Amazon and Google play"
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I was honestly surprised at how great this was.
It’s interesting that this is almost the exact same situation as when Corey Duffel was a no-show in Souvenir, then releasing a solo part a few weeks later.
Is this going to be a trend?
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That was so fucking good, wow.
Its disrespectful that he doesn't have a name on a board, such a crazy bag of tricks
Also I'm sure sacha's part will be good as well and better then a decent amount of the parts in peace
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Lol. Glad to see SLAP finally understanding how hard this dude rips. Most of you are severely late to this party and have no excuse to be.
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I feel like cookie will never get the industry respect he deserves.
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Did he know he wasn't going to be included going into the premiere? Or did he have to sit there and watch the video fulling knowing he wasn't going to be in it whatsoever? I can't imagine how bummed I would be sitting there watching that shit fulling knowing the amount of effort and work I had put in.
And then to wait until Thrasher releases it months later and be confusingly labeled as a B-Sides video which will be sure to be lost amongst the sheer amount of bullshit Thrasher posts every day, phew. You deserved better dude.
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I wish they would just come out and say "Look we are pushing for a Cookie SOTY 2019 campaign so that's why we kept his part for 2019" Instead of these ridiculous reasons as to why it made more sense to leave him out of Element's latest full length in years. Why not shorten his part with nothing but bangers and then come out with a second part after the fact with all of his leftover footy. Or a small teaser part in the video before the full part. At least then you wouldn't single him out and end up saying " Hey...well at least you can see his part for free.... Go Buy Peace now available on Itunes, Amazon and Google play"
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I was honestly surprised at how great this was.
It’s interesting that this is almost the exact same situation as when Corey Duffel was a no-show in Souvenir, then releasing a solo part a few weeks later.
Is this going to be a trend?
No, it’s nothing like that. It’s like leaving Joslin out of True.
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that was a damn good part. i wouldn't have seen it since i didn't ( and wasn't going to) buy the element dvd.
miner seems like a solid dude.
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Why not put out his and Sashas part together with a montage in the middle like vans did with walker and Berle? Rather than two separate videos?
I bet Sasha is sitting on some wicked shit!
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Miner blocked me when I called him out today. I don't think he will ever admit how stupid the decision was to leave Colbourn out of the video.
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I like that he has good manners.
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Maybe he wasn't in it because he isn't pro AF. or maybe adding another 10 minutes to the video would make it too long. or maybe Element is trying to get him to quit so they don't have to kick him off.
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Great part! Been trying to find a torrent of the peace video but no luck
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I was honestly surprised at how great this was.
It’s interesting that this is almost the exact same situation as when Corey Duffel was a no-show in Souvenir, then releasing a solo part a few weeks later.
Is this going to be a trend?
I don't think so.
The situations are a little different. Duffel left his part out by choice to keep the light on Glick and the new ams. His part is on the Souvenir DVD as an extra which is cool.
Cookie got fucked over by Miner in the element video. Can't imagine filming for 2-3 years for a team video just to have the editor scrub it at the end. Not to mention that it would have been one of the best parts in the video. Hope he gets the recognition he deserves.
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I was honestly surprised at how great this was.
It’s interesting that this is almost the exact same situation as when Corey Duffel was a no-show in Souvenir, then releasing a solo part a few weeks later.
Is this going to be a trend?
I don't think so.
The situations are a little different. Duffel left his part out by choice to keep the light on Glick and the new ams. His part is on the Souvenir DVD as an extra which is cool.
didn’t get informed that they were filming for the video
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Interesting that everyone assumes the video director: an employee of the company putting out the video, has final say about whose parts get included, and that it could not have been a decision passed down by anyone else. Maybe he's blocking people because they don't know what they're talking about.
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I would've edited out the jordan maxham appearance. and stopped calling him cookie. and given him a pro board, and a car.
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although i do agree with miners thought process (chris having a stand alone part to really grasp how creative and talented he is) they should have still included this in the premier. along with sasha. this will be in the top 3 best video parts to come out in 2019.
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Lol. Glad to see SLAP finally understanding how hard this dude rips. Most of you are severely late to this party and have no excuse to be.
Looks like I'm in need of a hard spanking, HotNSpicyMcChicken.
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Simply put they should have done more for him. They still should. One instagram post? A couple days on Thrasher for 2-3 years of hard work. I'd be super pissed if I was him.
See Chris in person and you'll understand why he's one of the best to ever skate.
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although i do agree with miners thought process (chris having a stand alone part to really grasp how creative and talented he is) they should have still included this in the premier. along with sasha. this will be in the top 3 best video parts to come out in 2019.
The shame here is not just that they didn't include it in the video or (at least) play it at the premier or put it out as a web part - I think that could have been alright if properly promoted, although still weird - but that they labelled it "War and Peace", the same label they gave to the rough cuts of Mason and Evan's parts. It's almost as if they're trying to hide it.
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or maybe adding another 10 minutes to the video would make it too long.
video was already long af, if I remember correctly. 10 minutes more would have put it at feature-length film level.
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It’s like leaving Joslin out of True.
Incredibly accurate comparison.
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not including this is the video was just a miner oversight
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not including this is the video was just a miner oversight
Guess that’s just how the cookie crumbles.
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Hope he leaves element and wins soty. You can't win soty if you are on element.
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Lol. Glad to see SLAP finally understanding how hard this dude rips. Most of you are severely late to this party and have no excuse to be.
with a name like that, it's easy to not give a fuck.
a really good skateboarder, no doubt. this part should've been in the video, no excuses. the video is already 62 mins, whats another 10 or so?
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Lol. Glad to see SLAP finally understanding how hard this dude rips. Most of you are severely late to this party and have no excuse to be.
with a name like that, it's easy to not give a fuck.
I'm glad you can admit your error in judgement.
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Cookie would have killed KOTR (even though Element won anyway). Instead they backed Tyson...
And what the fuck is up with Global vs National Pros - like, are you pro until you leave Australia/Canada etc then you’re back flow? So stupid.
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
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i don't get it.
the part could have been in, and then re-posted down the line on Thrasher like they did with every other part?
they fucked this dude harder than his nickname did
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Should of been pro for the last 6 years at least. Get your sht together Element
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I wish this part was in Toxic Planet. Element really fucked Cookie. Dumped his part and turned Nassim pro at the premier :o - Fuck that.
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I wish this part was in Toxic Planet. Element really fucked Cookie. Dumped his part and turned Nassim pro at the premier :o - Fuck that.
nassim deserved that shit, fuck you
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I wish this part was in Toxic Planet. Element really fucked Cookie. Dumped his part and turned Nassim pro at the premier :o - Fuck that.
nassim deserved that shit, fuck you
And Tyson?
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I wish this part was in Toxic Planet. Element really fucked Cookie. Dumped his part and turned Nassim pro at the premier :o - Fuck that.
nassim deserved that shit, fuck you
Yeah nassim had one of the best parts in the video you clown ass nigga
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I wish this part was in Toxic Planet. Element really fucked Cookie. Dumped his part and turned Nassim pro at the premier :o - Fuck that.
nassim deserved that shit, fuck you
Wait, they actually finally turned Nassim pro? Saw him win Amsterdam Am in 2011 against the likes of Louie, Majerus, Sewa, Youness, Axel and so on. Should have been pro for some time now.
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
It really comes down to two ways of thinking. Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true, or you think of it like Dylan’s Gravis part. Dylan’s part would not have had the generational impact it did if it was in mindfield. Sorry, but it just wouldn’t have, it was the first true solo part before thrasher started going crazy with them. If he wanted to do something like that for that purpose, then it’s understandable, but if the company shafted him, like the concept of plan b leaving Joslin out of true, then yeah it’s fucked.
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
It really comes down to two ways of thinking. Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true, or you think of it like Dylan’s Gravis part. Dylan’s part would not have had the generational impact it did if it was in mindfield. Sorry, but it just wouldn’t have, it was the first true solo part before thrasher started going crazy with them. If he wanted to do something like that for that purpose, then it’s understandable, but if the company shafted him, like the concept of plan b leaving Joslin out of true, then yeah it’s fucked.
wait what? dylan had a part in mindfield though, this is totally different. the gravis part was a separate part for a different company.
this was a choice made by the editor, and it was a bad one.
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I wonder if Darren "Cookiehead" Jenkens is pissed that there's a new cookie in town?
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
It really comes down to two ways of thinking. Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true, or you think of it like Dylan’s Gravis part. Dylan’s part would not have had the generational impact it did if it was in mindfield. Sorry, but it just wouldn’t have, it was the first true solo part before thrasher started going crazy with them. If he wanted to do something like that for that purpose, then it’s understandable, but if the company shafted him, like the concept of plan b leaving Joslin out of true, then yeah it’s fucked.
wait what? dylan had a part in mindfield though, this is totally different. the gravis part was a separate part for a different company.
this was a choice made by the editor, and it was a bad one.
Yeah the Dylan comparison doesn’t work here as for reasons said above
But you can compare it to when Plan B finally release PJs Plan B - True or False part
edit- or when sheckler finally releases his bs flip down el toro straight to insta instead of having it in his plan b part..
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
It really comes down to two ways of thinking. Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true, or you think of it like Dylan’s Gravis part. Dylan’s part would not have had the generational impact it did if it was in mindfield. Sorry, but it just wouldn’t have, it was the first true solo part before thrasher started going crazy with them. If he wanted to do something like that for that purpose, then it’s understandable, but if the company shafted him, like the concept of plan b leaving Joslin out of true, then yeah it’s fucked.
wait what? dylan had a part in mindfield though, this is totally different. the gravis part was a separate part for a different company.
this was a choice made by the editor, and it was a bad one.
Yeah the Dylan comparison doesn’t work here as for reasons said above
But you can compare it to when Plan B finally release PJs Plan B - True or False part
edit- or when sheckler finally releases his bs flip down el toro straight to insta instead of having it in his plan b part..
No the reasoning totally works. Burton owned AWS/habitat, Gravis, and analog at the time. Greg Hunt was being paid by burton. Dylan prolly towards the end of filming knew he was spaced out for most of it until u start seeing the Gravis stuff. U can tell the clips he is skating Gravis look much smoother and what he would become. I guarantee towards the end of the video Dylan was like look, keep all the old footage of me and vans, I got some bangers in these Gravis shoes, and I want to completely market myself away from the everyone else. I feel like Hunt prolly knew this. Pro shoes are usually like something planned like at least a year or two out, and if hunt knew they were gonna give Dylan a shoe and he had some bangers in the Gravis shit, and he’s getting paid by burton, he made an extremely risky decision and did an online part. Obviously Dylan basically got deified in skateboarding even prior to his death because of that part. Kids never wanted to be like someone that bad since fucking Christian hosoi. Element could have had those same aspirations, which aren’t super crazy considering that’s the best stand alone part I’ve seen in years.
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Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true
I've been looking for Joakim's True part for years.
Anyone got a link?
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
It really comes down to two ways of thinking. Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true, or you think of it like Dylan’s Gravis part. Dylan’s part would not have had the generational impact it did if it was in mindfield. Sorry, but it just wouldn’t have, it was the first true solo part before thrasher started going crazy with them. If he wanted to do something like that for that purpose, then it’s understandable, but if the company shafted him, like the concept of plan b leaving Joslin out of true, then yeah it’s fucked.
wait what? dylan had a part in mindfield though, this is totally different. the gravis part was a separate part for a different company.
this was a choice made by the editor, and it was a bad one.
Yeah the Dylan comparison doesn’t work here as for reasons said above
But you can compare it to when Plan B finally release PJs Plan B - True or False part
edit- or when sheckler finally releases his bs flip down el toro straight to insta instead of having it in his plan b part..
No the reasoning totally works. Burton owned AWS/habitat, Gravis, and analog at the time. Greg Hunt was being paid by burton. Dylan prolly towards the end of filming knew he was spaced out for most of it until u start seeing the Gravis stuff. U can tell the clips he is skating Gravis look much smoother and what he would become. I guarantee towards the end of the video Dylan was like look, keep all the old footage of me and vans, I got some bangers in these Gravis shoes, and I want to completely market myself away from the everyone else. I feel like Hunt prolly knew this. Pro shoes are usually like something planned like at least a year or two out, and if hunt knew they were gonna give Dylan a shoe and he had some bangers in the Gravis shit, and he’s getting paid by burton, he made an extremely risky decision and did an online part. Obviously Dylan basically got deified in skateboarding even prior to his death because of that part. Kids never wanted to be like someone that bad since fucking Christian hosoi. Element could have had those same aspirations, which aren’t super crazy considering that’s the best stand alone part I’ve seen in years.
Are you maybe forgetting that the Gravis part was something of a comeback? I know it's been said that his Midfield part wasn't what it could've been given his talent and that Dylan was aware of that. After dealing with some shit he pushed himself super hard to make the Gravis part what it was.
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His bowleg-looking style is a bit much sometimes, but that part was mental. Element has without a doubt fucked up
I could see Paul offering him a board on Primitive. Kick off Bastien, Nick Tucker, or Devine Calloway if he needs to free up a spot. His graphic would be a brown reflective cookie because Paul lowkey wanted to win that game of skate.
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I wish this part was in Toxic Planet. Element really fucked Cookie. Dumped his part and turned Nassim pro at the premier :o - Fuck that.
nassim deserved that shit, fuck you
Yeah nassim had one of the best parts in the video you clown ass
Yeah, well Cookie also had one of the best parts in the....fuck! Nassim rips but no ones watching a 9minute Nassim part.
Dylan is a bad example for sure, he was already pro for years. If you want use a Mindfield/AWS example - would you leave JJ out of the video and release as a stand alone ‘Gravis part’? Fuck no.
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enough with the soty talk... i’m not saying he’s not good enough, it’s just that it’s fucking january and this definitely does not seem like a push for soty. the main thing that makes this weird to me is that minor is saying they wanted this part to stand out more than it would have in the actually video so they released it as a web part, which to me is a really weird way of saying that it would have been overlooked/not up to par with the rest of the video and, wouldn’t have stood out as much as it does by itself. maybe i’m taking it the wrong way but, that’s how it sounds to me. so with that said.. it makes me think of how someone else related it to joslin hypothetically having been left out of the plan b video. if they had left joslin out of the video and released his part by itself on thrasher a couple of months later, do you think it would have stood out more than it did as being the opening part for a long awaited video, the same way coulbourn’s part could’ve been? i don’t think so at all. so the logic there doesn’t really make sense to me. also, if you are intentionally going to exclude his part from the video and release it by itself later as a whole different thing, why name it after the video’s b-sides? that’s some wacky shit to me. it’s like “hey we want to give you your own part aside from the video to help you get more exposure and views but.. we’re not going to give you your own title so that people know it’s your own video part that has nothing to do with the project we left you out of.. we’re going to name it AFTER the video we left you out of!” if they were going to do that they could’ve just called it ‘chris coulbourn’s peace part’ and maybe said that he wasn’t happy with his footage for the video so he went and stacked some extra stuff after it was released to make sure it was up to his standards. instead, they released it as a b-side part with a b-side title and are trying to play it off as something special they did to make him stand out more? fucking ridiculous to me. also, i saw evan post his part saying “turn cookie pro!” i don’t think i have ever seen someone post something directed at their own sponsor telling them to turn someone pro. it’s obviously shady business here and if evan smith ends up starting his own board brand as rumored, i hope he sweeps this broken cookie off the cold kitchen floor that is element and gives him a pro board just as another kick in the dick for them for being so wack.
It really comes down to two ways of thinking. Either you think of it like Joakim being left out of true, or you think of it like Dylan’s Gravis part. Dylan’s part would not have had the generational impact it did if it was in mindfield. Sorry, but it just wouldn’t have, it was the first true solo part before thrasher started going crazy with them. If he wanted to do something like that for that purpose, then it’s understandable, but if the company shafted him, like the concept of plan b leaving Joslin out of true, then yeah it’s fucked.
wait what? dylan had a part in mindfield though, this is totally different. the gravis part was a separate part for a different company.
this was a choice made by the editor, and it was a bad one.
Yeah the Dylan comparison doesn’t work here as for reasons said above
But you can compare it to when Plan B finally release PJs Plan B - True or False part
edit- or when sheckler finally releases his bs flip down el toro straight to insta instead of having it in his plan b part..
No the reasoning totally works. Burton owned AWS/habitat, Gravis, and analog at the time. Greg Hunt was being paid by burton. Dylan prolly towards the end of filming knew he was spaced out for most of it until u start seeing the Gravis stuff. U can tell the clips he is skating Gravis look much smoother and what he would become. I guarantee towards the end of the video Dylan was like look, keep all the old footage of me and vans, I got some bangers in these Gravis shoes, and I want to completely market myself away from the everyone else. I feel like Hunt prolly knew this. Pro shoes are usually like something planned like at least a year or two out, and if hunt knew they were gonna give Dylan a shoe and he had some bangers in the Gravis shit, and he’s getting paid by burton, he made an extremely risky decision and did an online part. Obviously Dylan basically got deified in skateboarding even prior to his death because of that part. Kids never wanted to be like someone that bad since fucking Christian hosoi. Element could have had those same aspirations, which aren’t super crazy considering that’s the best stand alone part I’ve seen in years.
dylan straight up said that he wasn’t happy with his mindfield part AFTER it came out so he went and filmed the gravis part so... no that doesn’t make sense. the only part that made sense was saying that the part stood out more as an online part than it might have in the workshop video but, you also went on to explain the reasoning behind that yourself, which is because it was the very beginning of internet parts. not nowadays when 10 other parts come out within the next couple of weeks and that part ends up on page 2 before some people even get to watch it, which someone else already mentioned. no matter how good an internet part is today it is quickly buried by a never ending overload of content. mj talked of this in his nine club about wes’s nasty by nature part and it was completely accurate.
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if this was in the peace video i most likely would not have seen it. ???
so pretty cool that its just on srasher!
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theres no way its an soty push. i think someone just had to be cut to keep the video closer to an hour and they picked him for some reason. to be fair, i knew his name, but not much else/didnt expect anything from him so i can kinda see it based on him being a smaller name. having 10 mins of footage vs julian davidson or jakko or ethan loy's 3-4 mins of footage makes for a more worthwhile/substantial web part too. the "war & peace" thing is almost disrespectful, though. i wasnt sure if it was the part or not when i read the title. definitely deserves a little better. as someone said, throw in the best 3-4 minutes and do a "war & peace" for him after with the rest.
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Dylan was a poster child, they treatin Cookie like a stepchild.
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theres no way its an soty push. i think someone just had to be cut to keep the video closer to an hour
At that point, what's another 10 minutes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDyVeIuTQLY
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if this was in the peace video i most likely would not have seen it. ???
so pretty cool that its just on srasher!
Sad but true. Anybody who started skating or got into watching skate videos any time after 2009-10 does not want to sit through an hour long skate video.
Although he did get fucked over by not being in the video (sascha too) It's not the worst thing their parts are coming out online cause I believe more people will see them. I'm still not trying to justify their parts being in the video, Element could have easily trimmed some of the fat in that hour long video to fit this part in.
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if this was in the peace video i most likely would not have seen it. ???
so pretty cool that its just on srasher!
Sad but true. Anybody who started skating or got into watching skate videos any time after 2009-10 does not want to sit through an hour long skate video.
Although he did get fucked over by not being in the video (sascha too) It's not the worst thing their parts are coming out online cause I believe more people will see them. I'm still not trying to justify their parts being in the video, Element could have easily trimmed some of the fat in that hour long video to fit this part in.
And yet, Tyshawn gets SOTY for his part at the back end of 70 minutes of unwatchable wank...
But, yeah - easily could have been in the video and web part. Just take one trick; how the fuck do you leave that ender out of your full length?!?! When Cookie got that unbelievable round rail 5050 to 5050 do you think he thought itd end up hidden on a web edit posted as bsides/raw?? Most companies try to hold onto enders at famous spots to use in their fulllength. Element just throws it in the feed. Fuck You Element.
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If someone had told me this was actually in Peace.....which I watched twice....I wouldn't argue... 'Hmm don't remember it but there were a bunch of guys in there....'
Could have had better music:
https://youtu.be/BovQyphS8kA (https://youtu.be/BovQyphS8kA)
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an interview with chris went up on thrasher's website yesterday - http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/the-follow-up-chris-cookie-colbourn/ (http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/the-follow-up-chris-cookie-colbourn/).
I watched your timeline of footage about a year ago and I wanna say it was only 30 percent of what I saw in that new Element part. Was that footage lost? Where was it, dude?
I realized I had footage with over 15 different filmers in LA and a lot of it for sure got lost or not turned in during the editing process for PEACE. Given that Miner was focused on what he thought he had, and not just guessing about what maybe I had, I got left out of being a priority [emphasis added].
You mean like wrangling the missing clips?
Yeah, wrangling the clips is a great way to say it, because like I said there was a lot of filmers involved and it must have taken a lot of time. What's strange is, most things I enjoy, or projects I like, are the ones that are all filmed by one person. So to go out and do things I'm incredibly proud of with numerous people has been quite the challenge for me. And I'm beating myself up over it, that's for sure. But I don’t want to regret anything. Had I not gone out on those random days that no one was meeting up and just tried something, a lot of my part wouldn’t have happened [emphasis added]. And I think that's natural. It might not be good for deadlines, but I'm glad I got those tricks with my friends. The way I enjoy skating is little more sporadic than some. I enjoy driving by and finding something and trying my absolute hardest immediately rather than seeing it and thinking about it for weeks on end and then going back at a certain time with a certain filmer and a certain photographer.
so am i understanding this correctly? there were "days that no one was meeting up," so chris would hit up some filmers other than miner to get clips - clips, by the way, which he's "incredibly proud of" - but then, because some "wrangling" of the clips would need to be involved on miner's part, he "got left out of being a priority"? i get that miner had a deadline to meet and couldn't necessarily be bothered with harassing 15 different filmers for clips, but damn, doesn't element have some interns or something? to leave chris out of the video for that seems short-sighted.
he could easily be bitter about it, but it seems like he respects miner's decision.
By the way, congrats on the video part. I'm sure you're happy with the response.
Dude, thank you. I'm still getting comments. It trips me out. I'm actually having a hard time thinking of a non-cheesy way to thank everybody. But seriously, I'm really, really grateful that Jon took his time to cut up all my footage because it definitely had to have been a challenge. And the fact that he could add his two cents to it, with a Ray Barbee song, or get to do what he thought was best for me without having filmed the majority of it means a lot to me. Because straight up—he didn’t have to do that. He’s made some of the best videos ever.
Dude’s a legend.
He hit me up while he was close to being done with PEACE and he told me he was so underwater with editing and he apologized for kinda being distant because of it. He explained the plan to have a solo part once he could sort out my footage, and watching my part now, I'm just now realizing what he was talking about. The long lines, the weird interactions with people and stuff. I get it now.
PEACE was like three-to-four years in the making but Miner came in the last year, right?
Yeah, I think you’re right. I like to think I have a good memory, at least when it comes to skating. It kinda made me feel old, like, holy fuck this has been a long project when you forget clips you filmed that you were really proud of. Like that line I filmed with Mark Stewart with the Cab back lip, it was so cool to see that clip. I remember Julian was there and he definitely inspired me to do that trick.
what's also kind of strange is that after his part dropped, you would think element would be putting him on the fast-track to pro - sending him out with their filmers, getting him on trips, maybe a little more cash, etc. but instead, he just got a job at a warehouse. he seems stoked on it, however, and seems to enjoy the skate/work balance.
So what's next, bud? Obviously you’re not gonna stop skating, but you just got a job, right?
I did! I just finished my fourth day at my new job. I work in a warehouse helping them organize things—no customer service or anything. No kissing people’s feet, which is nice. I'm just organizing liquor, soft drinks, helping out at the pool bar, basically trying to be versatile so I can maintain a consistent work schedule but continue to skate full time. It's good. It seems realistic because they have so many employees that they’re not gonna miss me if I say I wanna leave for a couple weeks. I just need to let them know enough in advance.
That's cool.
I'm gonna go to Wintercount next month and then stop at Bust or Bail in Phoenix and they were, like, “Yeah that totally fine; just let us know.” It makes me happy to work and having some extra money coming in never hurts, because I've kinda just been breaking even with skating and having just turned 28 that's not the best feeling.
No, I imagine not.
Being that there's probably millions of people in my position, but I just know I can do better and I’m on that path. More or less I gotta keep my savings up, I gotta pay taxes soon with April approaching and hopefully build on it. I missed that balance of work and skating like I had when I was working at the coffee shop. It makes you really appreciate your days off. I'm almost done with school too. I've been balancing skating and school mostly and not working, which has been great. I have time to do both but I have two classes left before I finish my associates degree, so I’d like to find a job before that ends rather than have to look for one after.
So what about skating? You’re not banking on any of these things to work out?
As far as skating goes I couldn’t be happier to still be doing it almost every day. I mean, I do skate every day, but to be filming and trying something I go out like five days a week. I get two days of rest, mentally and psychically, and I've been skating with a lot of inspiring people like the New Balance guys. It's for sure the little things in my life, like spending time with people before and after a session. Because when you're skating a spot you don’t always have the time to catch up with them, you just get to see them try something. But as far as projects, I'm working on an Independent part. Rhino asked me a little while ago to work on something and I think he’s the best and I'm honored to have a part come out with Indy. That's the best thing I can give them, I think.
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i feel like that interview just muddled up things even more, because I've heard from several people that he was bummed as fuck for being left out
feel like considering elements luke warm handling of the part, they have no plans to turn him pro anytime soon
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WTF " I'm just organizing liquor, soft drinks, helping out at the pool bar"
Dude has been incredible for years, just put out one of the best parts in recent memory for one of the biggest board companies on the planet and right now he's probably putting Pepsi cans into a fridge
I'm not sure if Element does long term contracts with their Ams, if he just has some blind loyalty toward them or if they have a Russian piss tape with him in it but there has to be some explanation why he isn't pro and isn't getting paid decently
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He's a company man through and through. He had some Mt Dew stuff when he first came on the scene where he was doing the "I'm Sean Malto and I'll sell fuckin' anything" schtick. He won't say anything bad about any company or any person in an interview ever. Even when he got kicked off Huf for not being "cool" enough he was like "yknow just a difference of opinion I guess." He could want to kill Miner with a rock but he'd never say anything negative in an interview.
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also 15 fucking filmers? are you insane?
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Element fucking up confirmed^3!
This part stoked me out more than anything in the Peace video and I actually really liked most of the parts on that.
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But Tyson is/was pro for element? Like who the fuck wants a Tyson board?
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More power to him for being all zen about everything, but what the hell? There must be huge demand for his board now, it makes zero sense not to turn him pro after this.
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The guy doesn't fit Element, but he really doesn't fit anywhere really.
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More power to him for being all zen about everything, but what the hell? There must be huge demand for his board now, it makes zero sense not to turn him pro after this.
from who? and what do you define as 'huge demand'?
the only discussion in relation to chris & pro, is people asking why he isn't pro. no one is asking for his board.
other than being a really good skateboarder, which isn't enough these days, there is nothing that is marketable about him. dude is as vanilla as they come.
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Summary: Cookie wanted to film, but Milner was busy with Julian, Tyson, etc as Cookie wasn’t a priority. Cookie hit up other filmers, told Miner what he got - but Miner couldn’t be fucked chasing it up, he didn’t film it, and edited Peace. When Miner got the footage, after Peace was finished, Miner realised he fucked up big time - and scambled to edited together a part to drop on Thrasher.
And if I bought an Element deck - it’d be a Cookie board for sure (first Element I would have bought since Markovich).
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Genuine guy with a modest attitude towards life. Been waiting for a Cookie board for years. Make it happen
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Element is really fucking up. Chris seems like a good guy just from reading the interview and always puts out amazing footage. No matter where he ends up I hope he gets a pro board, it's long overdue.
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hat goes off to anyone chasing the pro dream but fuck that, you can make good money without putting your body on the line and still love skating at the same time
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The guy doesn't fit Element, but he really doesn't fit anywhere really.
Cookie Skateboards
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I want Cookie on girl.
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I want Cookie on girl.
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FUCK ELEMENT FUCK MINER
Dude is a class act, humble and seems very gracious. they turn Tyson Peterson pro?? the safe hands dude? miner cuts Cookies footage cos he assumes it wasnt worth watching.
i know industry people lurk this board. you are fucking up if you don't support this dude.
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I want Cookie on girl.
It would make sense if he was on Chocolate then his graphic would be a chocolate chip cookie.
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FUCK ELEMENT FUCK MINER
Dude is a class act, humble and seems very gracious. they turn Tyson Peterson pro?? the safe hands dude? miner cuts Cookies footage cos he assumes it wasnt worth watching.
i know industry people lurk this board. you are fucking up if you don't support this dude.
They turned him pro and didn't pay him what they owed if at all which is why he doesn't ride for them anymore.
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Dude is a class act, humble and seems very gracious. they turn Tyson Peterson pro?? the safe hands dude? miner cuts Cookies footage cos he assumes it wasnt worth watching.
i know industry people lurk this board. you are fucking up if you don't support this dude.
They turned him pro and didn't pay him what they owed if at all which is why he doesn't ride for them anymore.
wait what? that's the juicy gossip i come here for!
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Unpopular opinion: dude looks like a dork. Not for me.
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The guy doesn't fit Element, but he really doesn't fit anywhere really.
He fits on Worble but also deserves to paid
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Miner is a crazy perfectionist with videos, I could really see a lot of this coming down to Miner hating the way Cookies filmers film, or what cameras they use or settings or whatever, and it coming down all parties deciding to put footage out separately. As far as filming goes Peace is as close to perfect as you can get. I'm willing to bet most of the dudes on the team have a lot of stuff that got left on the table for nothing more than Miner hating the filming. Watch the extras for Stay Gold and how many times Reynolds refilmed that line that starts with a Nollie front three down a set of stairs.
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Miner is a crazy perfectionist with videos, I could really see a lot of this coming down to Miner hating the way Cookies filmers film, or what cameras they use or settings or whatever, and it coming down all parties deciding to put footage out separately. As far as filming goes Peace is as close to perfect as you can get. I'm willing to bet most of the dudes on the team have a lot of stuff that got left on the table for nothing more than Miner hating the filming. Watch the extras for Stay Gold and how many times Reynolds refilmed that line that starts with a Nollie front three down a set of stairs.
Sorry but Miner is a weak ass director if he couldn't figure out how to fit Cookies footage in the Peace. He could have easily opened the video with Cookies standalone part as a clear separation from the rest of the video. Take Joslin's part in True. It feels as if that part was a separate entity entirely from the rest of the video even though they are edited together. Even with all the different filmers and filming styles, it is entirely possible Miner could have just placed his part first as a separation between the rest of Peace. What you don't do is leave the guy out of the video entirely and demoralize the guy on premiere night.
Also, Cookies part was filmed really well, so Miner's little predilection to consider only his footage valuable is narcissistic and short-sighted.
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Reynolds' redos were at the demand of Reynolds himself. He has said so in any interview post stay gold that ask him about it. Stop trying to make miner seem like saint. Dude blew it, straight up.
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More power to him for being all zen about everything, but what the hell? There must be huge demand for his board now, it makes zero sense not to turn him pro after this.
from who? and what do you define as 'huge demand'?
the only discussion in relation to chris & pro, is people asking why he isn't pro. no one is asking for his board.
other than being a really good skateboarder, which isn't enough these days, there is nothing that is marketable about him. dude is as vanilla as they come.
Every comment on their ig posts about the video part, people are asking why he isn’t pro and that they should turn him pro
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Remember when Ty did this to McCrank?
Rick thought he was gonna have like 3 tricks and a line in pretty sweet and was at the premier so insanely bummed that he went back to the hotel room and didn’t talk to anyone for the rest of the night.
This must be such an awful fucking feeling.
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He has a wack style. It isn’t cool looking. Obviously the tricks are intense. There is a market for almost anything, I can’t see how his would be big though. His skating is extreme so he’s not exactly relatable, and it’s just not fun to watch. Maybe there’s a bunch of overachieving dorks that are feeling him
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i dont get it. that part was nuts, if u cut it down by 3 minutes its still nuts. he has a strong connection to those Illegal Civ/FA dudes so hes good from a branding perspective despite being an awkward white dude.
did something murky happen off the books? money issues? element really blew it for themselves as much as they blew it for colburn. not sure what the excuse is.
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i dont get it. that part was nuts, if u cut it down by 3 minutes its still nuts. he has a strong connection to those Illegal Civ/FA dudes so hes good from a branding perspective despite being an awkward white dude.
am i missing something here? how does he have a strong connection to fa? being in IC2 7 years doesn't count for much in 2019.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtAXd7EFg-H/
nothing can help this guys branding. maybe if he didn't look a custom make your own player in a EA sports game, he'd have a chance.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BtAXd7EFg-H/
Dude looks like a Dicks sporting goods employee
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BtAXd7EFg-H/
Dude looks like a Dicks sporting goods employee
LOL this made my day
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nothing can help this guys branding. maybe if he didn't look a custom make your own player in a EA sports game, he'd have a chance.
not even...idabble video magazine?!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtuN4N6lscG/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BtuN4N6lscG/)
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So you guys wouldn't fuck him?
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Holy shit that was good! Dude has a deep bag of tricks!
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Very odd situation all around. His skating undeniably great in all aspects, comes of as a genuinely nice person and has all the top tier sponsors yet has to get a job as some warehouse assistant.
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Very odd situation all around. His skating undeniably great in all aspects, comes of as a genuinely nice person and has all the top tier sponsors yet has to get a job as some warehouse assistant.
His steeze is a bit bow legged to be fair.
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So you guys wouldn't fuck him?
Whoa you're painting with a pretty broad brush there pal.
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so this was part of the year, right?
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not even top 10
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Flash in the pan
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not even top 10
Go on then
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Pull ten parts from 2019 out of a hat and I guarantee they’re likely more memorable than this one.
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i cannot remember a single trick from this part and probably didnt either immediately after watching it but I do remember stevie perez saying "no pussys skating my board please", just in terms of relative cultural impact
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everytime i watch the full element video that came out last year (never) I lament the fact (i don't) that this part was not included in the video (couldn't care less)
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so this was part of the year, right?
Yes.
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everytime i watch the full element video that came out last year (never) I lament the fact (i don't) that this part was not included in the video (couldn't care less)
post of the year
Go on then
literally any random part. take your pick. it's better
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4QLHNXHQLu/
even this is better
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I've said this before and since this thread popped back up I will say it again. Chris is by far one of the most talented skateboarders ever. If you've ever seen him skate in person you would agree. He deserves a shot with some company. If you're good at marketing you can make him marketable, there's certainly other basic, slightly nerdy looking white dudes that lots of people are fans of.
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literally any random part. take your pick. it's better
*me thinking honey island will HATE this list*
Ahem.. Trevor colden david gonzalez sebob walker part
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I've said this before and since this thread popped back up I will say it again. Chris is by far one of the most talented skateboarders ever. If you've ever seen him skate in person you would agree. He deserves a shot with some company. If you're good at marketing you can make him marketable, there's certainly other basic, slightly nerdy looking white dudes that lots of people are fans of.
Maybe he is that good, but his part doesn't concentrate on clean good skating so much as it does on super gnar. His version of super gnar? -people don't be caring about. -Thats why he got the 15 minutes to cut off. I'd go farther and say that no one will give a shit about Milton in 5 years either but he's exciting af rite now. Gnar just gets replaced by more gnar now. Theres only one Pat Duffy questionable. -Hes already him.
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I've said this before and since this thread popped back up I will say it again. Chris is by far one of the most talented skateboarders ever. If you've ever seen him skate in person you would agree. He deserves a shot with some company. If you're good at marketing you can make him marketable, there's certainly other basic, slightly nerdy looking white dudes that lots of people are fans of.
No. People don't get bored of gnarly skating...the dudes that do it just have a much shorter shelf life in which to 1-up themselves before an inevitable decline.
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I've said this before and since this thread popped back up I will say it again. Chris is by far one of the most talented skateboarders ever. If you've ever seen him skate in person you would agree. He deserves a shot with some company. If you're good at marketing you can make him marketable, there's certainly other basic, slightly nerdy looking white dudes that lots of people are fans of.
No. People don't get bored of gnarly skating...the dudes that do it just have a much shorter shelf life in which to 1-up themselves before an inevitable decline.
theres that. but cookie was hot and is now cold. he just ollied onto the shelf and rolled across it breifly
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I've said this before and since this thread popped back up I will say it again. Chris is by far one of the most talented skateboarders ever. If you've ever seen him skate in person you would agree. He deserves a shot with some company. If you're good at marketing you can make him marketable, there's certainly other basic, slightly nerdy looking white dudes that lots of people are fans of.
No. People don't get bored of gnarly skating...the dudes that do it just have a much shorter shelf life in which to 1-up themselves before an inevitable decline.
I wouldn't say he's really been hot ever in the public spectrum, Element made the worst marketing push for him I've ever seen and other than that he's only really been in homie videos. The dude is a footage machine, and if properly backed, his relevancy could be much higher than it is currently.
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This guy rips if only he had a gimmick for a bunch of 30 year old men to latch on to
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so he just never got a board, even after having his part separated from the video ??
wow, Element really is the worst
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everytime i watch the full element video that came out last year (never) I lament the fact (i don't) that this part was not included in the video (couldn't care less)
post of the year
literally any random part. take your pick. it's better
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4QLHNXHQLu/
even this is better
You’re fucking crazy.
Parts better then cookies this year:
1. Verso
2. Demolicion
3. Bobby’s part(very arguable I think cookies is better)
4. Tfunk(think cookies is better)
5. Rowan(think cookies is better)
6. Ryan Lay
7. Donovan and Daan(idk if a shared part counts)
8. Max Palmer
9. Romero
10. Jamie Foy(arguable yet again)
11. Tiago
12. Miles silva
13. kid that opened the darkstar video(cookies was better)
14. Kid that euro tm went on about on killing floor I forgot. (Cookies was better)
There’s only 7 parts I feel that are DEFINITIVELY better then cookies part. I have yet to see the slave video, and we still got a real and vans video left to drop.
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I've said this before and since this thread popped back up I will say it again. Chris is by far one of the most talented skateboarders ever. If you've ever seen him skate in person you would agree. He deserves a shot with some company. If you're good at marketing you can make him marketable, there's certainly other basic, slightly nerdy looking white dudes that lots of people are fans of.
No. People don't get bored of gnarly skating...the dudes that do it just have a much shorter shelf life in which to 1-up themselves before an inevitable decline.
I wouldn't say he's really been hot ever in the public spectrum, Element made the worst marketing push for him I've ever seen and other than that he's only really been in homie videos. The dude is a footage machine, and if properly backed, his relevancy could be much higher than it is currently.
Ur rite he didnt seem supported at all.
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everytime i watch the full element video that came out last year (never) I lament the fact (i don't) that this part was not included in the video (couldn't care less)
post of the year
literally any random part. take your pick. it's better
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4QLHNXHQLu/
even this is better
You’re fucking crazy.
Parts better then cookies this year:
1. Verso (Probably Suciu’s second worst full part)
2. Demolicion
3. Bobby’s part
4. Tfunk
5. Rowan
6. Ryan Lay
7. Donovan and Daan
8. Max Palmer
9. Romero
10. Jamie Foy
11. Tiago
12. Miles silva
13. kid that opened the darkstar video
14. Kid that euro tm went on about on killing floor I forgot.
There’s only 7 parts I feel that are DEFINITIVELY better then cookies part. I have yet to see the slave video, and we still got a real and vans video left to drop.
So it’s top 5. And there were 36 Thrasher SOTY nominations.
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After seeing cookie skate in London this summer, I can confirm he is a machine. I guess he just doesn't quite fit the right aesthetic, I hope he gets more shine. He deserves it!
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check out his latest insta post :o i don't know how to embed that shit
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Just saw that he’s having a video part premiere tonight, maybe turning pro?
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Just saw that he’s having a video part premiere tonight, maybe turning pro?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5veRsBB41-/?igshid=cqjnsfcc4zip
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So i see. Hes gonna grow his hair a bit, -good step forward, rite on.
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I've never been a big fan of him but that line above, half cab 5050 then back 180 sw backside 5050 is pretty gnarly.
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bump! what a part!
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Yall are overrating this part hard.
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I'd like to call out that Collin Hale, Marshall Heath or Dave Abair could all be called Vermont's finest. Cookie is good, but has the style of a skatepark kid forever.
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everytime i watch the full element video that came out last year (never) I lament the fact (i don't) that this part was not included in the video (couldn't care less)
;D