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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: art hellman on March 14, 2019, 04:09:01 PM
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COFFEE BREAK WITH THE ADIDAS 3ST.004, 3ST.003, and 3MC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmRx1AznSs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmRx1AznSs)
One of the most consistent comments on recent skate shoe design is “it looks like a rip-off of _____” Well, with the Adidas 3ST series/workshop/whatchamacallit, it seems like Scott Johnston has been listening. While Johnston’s “concept car”* skate shoe designs may not be for everyone (especially anyone holding on to ol’ vulc-days of design), it’s at least hard to simply write em off as “it looks like a rip off of____”. These skate shoes of the future definitely borrow some design aspects, but they can stand alone by both design and (even more so) by comfort.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BtlUqAbjoI8/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (http://www.instagram.com/p/BtlUqAbjoI8/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
The shoes
(https://i.imgur.com/rhOpLUD.jpg?1)
3ST.003
(https://i.imgur.com/IMlvtBm.jpg?1)
3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/ILEPGnQ.jpg?1)
3MC
Toe Shape
(https://i.imgur.com/7UZq5KJ.jpg?1)
3ST.003
The 3ST.003 has a round toe box that is comparable to the Busenitz Pro. Although, when set next to each other, the length of the 3ST.003 toe dwarfs the Busenitz Pro. The 3ST.003 toe box is roomy/bordering on spacious…so, you may want to try .5 size smaller than usual (if you like your skate shoes snug—if not, go TTS).
(https://i.imgur.com/xGyk7Vm.jpg?1)
3ST.003 / Busenitz Pro
(https://i.imgur.com/fl1ac9S.jpg?1)
Busenitz Pro (foreground) / 3ST.003 (background)
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3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/eVLl3Kh.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/9RNTQGO.jpg?1)
The 3ST.004 also has a round toe box, but it is a bit square-er than the 3ST.003. It also feels a bit roomier on the sides of your forefoot ; while, it is also bit a shallower in height. I typically don’t like feeling like my toes are being squeezed out by a shoe’s toe, so I found the orange/suede 3ST.004s to be much more comfortable than the white leather pair. That’s not to say the white leather pair are stiff…it’s just that the orange suede is insanely comfortable—think Busenitz ADV suede, but even a bit softer. Speaking of the Busenitz ADV, the 3ST.004 is very very similar to the Busenitz ADV shoe shape. Fans of the Busenitz ADV (i.e. me) will find the 3ST.004 to be a very similar shoe, just even more comfortable.
(https://i.imgur.com/8D9NnqH.jpg?1)
Lucas Premiere toe (below) / 3ST.004 toe (above)
3MC
(https://i.imgur.com/BzUGZ7r.jpg?1)
The 3MC has a pointer-toe than both 3STs. It’s toe is very similar to the original Adi-ease and the Lucas Premiere ADV. It is much narrower and shallower than both 3STs… and fits your forefoot similar to most vulc shoes, and nearly identical to the Lucas Premiere.
(https://i.imgur.com/4Km1Qsr.jpg?1)
Lucas Premiere / 3MC
Sidewalls
3ST.003
(https://i.imgur.com/78ghw1f.jpg?1)
The sidewalls of the 3ST.003 are probably what causes the most hesitation for skateboarders. The rubber ollie guard is initially pretty aesthetically off-putting. However, the more you wear it and skate in them, the less it matters. Especially when the shoes are sooooo comfortable. However, it may prove to be a better seller if the ollie patches matched the color of the upper.
(https://i.imgur.com/v6fkcYq.jpg?1)
3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/EF1hIU2.jpg?1)
The sidewalls of the 3ST.004 are great. The cupsole comes up high enough to take some abuse away from the sides and the three-stripes are recessed enough that you wont blow them out right away like several other models.
3MC
(https://i.imgur.com/JtbJGqH.jpg?1)
The sidewalls of the 3MC are again very similar to the Lucas Premiere. Although, in the suede version here, the sides are completely suede and don’t have any of the mesh-suede stuff like the Lucas shoe. It would be cool if Adidas experimented with Sprint Skin again in a simple vulc shoe like the 3MC or the Lucas Premiere.
Collar, Heel Lock, Tongue
3ST.003
(https://i.imgur.com/R38IYUp.jpg?1)
While the silhouette of the 3ST.003 is most comparable to the Busenitz Pro or Rx, it differs entirely in its construction/guts. The 3ST.003 is built around a super comfortable booty which continues up into the transformer-tongue, which can be worn up or folded. Obviously, the booty does away with the need for centering straps and keeps the shoe in place on your foot. I do wonder about them bagging out abit when worn for awhile, but maybe someone else on here who has skated them for a month or two can provide some insight.
(https://i.imgur.com/pCV2l4S.jpg?1)
The collar of the 3ST.003 is very form-fitting and comfortable. It molds to your ankle a bit more than most shoes. Again, I wonder if the tongue/booty will eventually bag-out and require you to lace the shoe tighter and tighter during its lifespan. But for now, it has a great fit. The heel lock is really good, but not great (but again, I’m a stickler for heel-lock, so it may be awesome for anyone else).
3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/9RNTQGO.jpg?1)
The most interesting thing about the collar and tongue of the 3St.004 is that it differs between the leather and suede versions. The orange suede collar has a very comfortable/soft collar that is pretty “athletic” in its fit around your ankle. The white leather is a bit more minimal/stiffer.
(https://i.imgur.com/gx5lrGo.jpg?1)
Similarly, the orange/suede version has a more comfortable/constructed seam along the top of the tongue. While it’s not uncomfortable, the white leather tongue is more akin to a regular skate shoe tongue and the orange/suede tongue feels more like a soccer shoe style tongue.
(https://i.imgur.com/EfyyNW6.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/ggfoGH0.jpg?1)
3MC
(https://i.imgur.com/1UiVn51.jpg?1)
Adi-ease / 3MC
The collar of the 3MC is a standard vulc collar. It’s comfortable, and a bit more substantial than say, a canvas Adi-ease collar was, but otherwise, it’s not broken, so why fix it.
The Sole
3ST.003
(https://i.imgur.com/wVLZWfC.jpg?2)
Busenitz Pro / 3ST.003
I’m a fan of the design of the 3ST.003 sole. The gum-ribbon makes the gum ollie patch make a lil more sense. The forefoot of the sole is a lil thinner and the hexagon shapes are very flexible…whereas the heel pattern gives the shoe more stability.
3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/AwbY01n.jpg?2)
3ST.003 / 3ST.004(orange) / 3ST.004 (white)
The sole of the 3ST.004 is separated similar to the 3ST.003, but it includes some additional areas of denser rubber in the outer-toe areas which help keep the sole from wearing out when youre positioning/moving your foot around on the grip during set-ups.
3MC
(https://i.imgur.com/zE4LYON.jpg?1)
Adi-ease / 3MC / Lucas Premiere ADV
The sole of the 3MC is a brand-new vulc sole for Adidas. It has the hexagon pattern of the 3STs, but they are a lil bit more hollowed out and obviously the vulc sole is thinner than the cupsoles. I think I prefer the 3MC sole to the Lucas Premiere sole as it feels a bit grippier on the board (white sole compared to white sole).
Outer Heel of the 3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/wXJ6YQ8.jpg?1)
Like the 3ST.003’s ollie patch, the most talked about design element of the 3ST.004 is probably the exposed Boost heel. You can understand Adidas’ desire to showcase the Boost material being in the shoe, but it does seem oddly susceptible to wear on any heelflip tricks. If anyone has skated these for a month or two already, it would be awesome to get some insight.
(https://i.imgur.com/OiygXTE.jpg?1)
Initially, I wondered if the 3ST.004 heel would cause concern like the heel of the Silas SLR (which I’ve found to actually be a very stable shoe). However, the 3ST.004 heel is the same width as the rest of the shoe, where the SLR was a bit narrower in order to mimic the runners it was designed after. So, don’t let your fears of the Silas SLR (however unfounded) stop you from skating in the 3ST.004
(https://i.imgur.com/mGs7Rw1.jpg?1)
Silas SLR
(https://i.imgur.com/ZIzl389.jpg?1)
3ST.004 / Silas SLR
Final Thoughts
The 3ST line may be different than the average skate shoe of yesterday, but that’s exactly why it’s been cool to see the progression of the line. Personally, I would love to see the 3ST.003 eventually lose the ollie patch and progress into a new Busenitz pro model. The 3ST.004 is definitely up there with the most-comfortable skate shoes to be made. Hopefully skateboarders will buy them (probably on sale) and skate them to appreciate how awesome the Boost feels in a skate shoe. Hopefully they don’t go the way of the Boost ADV and/or the Dorado Boost ADV and stick around a bit. Finally, if youre looking for a well made vulc, the 3MC is an updated adi-ease that is actually better than the original.
* referenced in Scott Johnston interview via http://www.weartested.com/3st-004/ (http://www.weartested.com/3st-004/)
bonus pic of the 3ST.004 with some grey laces
(https://i.imgur.com/PGZ4p2y.jpg?1)
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Thank you for another informative COFFEE BREAK.
The reviews are appreciated. (https://s3.amazonaws.com/pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-12/256/thumbs-up.png)
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I'm skating my second pair of .003s and they don't bag out. One of my favorite skate shoes and so so so comfortable. I'll for sure pick up some .004 when they aren't $120. A+ review.
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Silas SLRs with boost would tickle all of my fancies
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I'm skating my second pair of .003s and they don't bag out. One of my favorite skate shoes and so so so comfortable. I'll for sure pick up some .004 when they aren't $120. A+ review.
awesome. psyched they dont bag out
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I'm really surprised at how much I like my 3ST.001 but I do prefer the Buzenitz over them. This coffee break just pushed me to get some 3ST.003 next. thanks art!
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i wish adidas didnt abandon the silas slr and dorado boost so fast. i only could get one pair of dorados and i keep them for walking around.
my three favorite adidas shoes they still make busenitz pro, adiease (premiere), and lucas premiere. i have the 3mc going now and campus adv, they are ok but not perfect. just missing something and almost fitting too lose after they bag out.
i wish they could have made the original campus vulc with a thinner upper and not fuck with the sole and it could be the best shoe out there. the second version with the bad busenitz vulc outsole and way too thin upper.
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I officially want a pair of the 004’s now.
On sale, of course.
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I have heard such good things about the 3st.003 and after seeing them at the shop I definitely want to pick them. Seeing them in person actually made me like the ollie patch. I have a pair of campus ADV's up next but afterwards I want to pick a pair of these.
Also, thanks for putting the work in to make these reviews.
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Those 3ST.003 Na-Kel shoes have me in a lather.
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You've picked up where Ripped Laces left off, dare I say you do a better job?
Awesome review, kinda digging how crazy the orange 004s are
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i wish adidas didnt abandon the silas slr and dorado boost so fast. i only could get one pair of dorados and i keep them for walking around.
my three favorite adidas shoes they still make busenitz pro, adiease (premiere), and lucas premiere. i have the 3mc going now and campus adv, they are ok but not perfect. just missing something and almost fitting too lose after they bag out.
i wish they could have made the original campus vulc with a thinner upper and not fuck with the sole and it could be the best shoe out there. the second version with the bad busenitz vulc outsole and way too thin upper.
The Dorado ADV was the best shoe. I'm really curious why adidas chose to dump it, especially when guys like Gustav and Miles were really skating them.
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I'm skating the 003s now and I have 2 pairs of the 004s to skate right after. I kinda wanna ditch the 003s and try the 004s already.
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i wish adidas didnt abandon the silas slr and dorado boost so fast. i only could get one pair of dorados and i keep them for walking around.
my three favorite adidas shoes they still make busenitz pro, adiease (premiere), and lucas premiere. i have the 3mc going now and campus adv, they are ok but not perfect. just missing something and almost fitting too lose after they bag out.
i wish they could have made the original campus vulc with a thinner upper and not fuck with the sole and it could be the best shoe out there. the second version with the bad busenitz vulc outsole and way too thin upper.
The Dorado ADV was the best shoe. I'm really curious why adidas chose to dump it, especially when guys like Gustav and Miles were really skating them.
Herman Stene skated em a bunch too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHb-mCqa0Ls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHb-mCqa0Ls)
The Dorado ADV was incredibly comfortable... I think maybe the "power-up" arrows on the toe turned alot of people off
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the 004's have my name on them. Was gonna get the white, but the tongue looks better in the other colors.
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can confirm the 004s are my favorite shoe at the moment.
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
boost does wonders, i don't know how they fit but i'd buy them if i were you purely for that reason
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We got a few different pairs of these into the shop I work at and they’re COMFY. They hug your feet in a great way. If you’ve got a wide foot, it can feel like you’re standing over the edges of the sole according to a guy with wide feet who works in our shop.
I’d skate them for sure, but not quite my style. Sticking with Blazer Mid SEs. 🤙
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
boost does wonders, i don't know how they fit but i'd buy them if i were you purely for that reason
The 003s don't have boost though, only the 004s, if I'm not mistaken.
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
boost does wonders, i don't know how they fit but i'd buy them if i were you purely for that reason
The 003s don't have boost though, only the 004s, if I'm not mistaken.
004 is the only one with boost.
I have wide feet, and I have footprint orthotics to help my arches, but the 003 is good for me and I'll never stop saying it. About to get pair #4.
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just got the 003s for 45 euros, couldnt resist. that thread was the nail in the coffin.
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The 004s are pretty much the Lucas Premieres and Dorados put together.
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I just got a pair of the 3mc, maybe a little long in the toe but otherwise feel great. Looking forward to skating them.
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got the 003s on deck for spring, just wearing them around the house- good to hear they don't bag out though since they fit me quite good, a little long maybe but the width feels great. the ollie pad part that wraps around the shoe gives it a nice stability since the cupsole is on the thinner side in the front.
caught the 004s on sale 30% off and can't wait till they get here!
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
boost does wonders, i don't know how they fit but i'd buy them if i were you purely for that reason
The 003s don't have boost though, only the 004s, if I'm not mistaken.
004 is the only one with boost.
I have wide feet, and I have footprint orthotics to help my arches, but the 003 is good for me and I'll never stop saying it. About to get pair #4.
yeah, i fucked up and thought he was talking about the 004s
The Dorado ADV was incredibly comfortable... I think maybe the "power-up" arrows on the toe turned alot of people off
that could be the reason, i had them and they felt and skated great but i couldn't stand the look of that toe piece
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
boost does wonders, i don't know how they fit but i'd buy them if i were you purely for that reason
The 003s don't have boost though, only the 004s, if I'm not mistaken.
004 is the only one with boost.
I have wide feet, and I have footprint orthotics to help my arches, but the 003 is good for me and I'll never stop saying it. About to get pair #4.
yeah, i fucked up and thought he was talking about the 004s
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The Dorado ADV was incredibly comfortable... I think maybe the "power-up" arrows on the toe turned alot of people off
that could be the reason, i had them and they felt and skated great but i couldn't stand the look of that toe piece
Didn´t the Koston 1 on Nike also have the arrow detail stich?
But to stay on the topic, the way the dorados showcased the boost was so much more practical(in comparision to the 004).
That shoe will always hold a special place in my heart...the fit,tongue and shape was the best ever.
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Great review man.
I just picked up a pair of the 003 and 004.
Very comfortable shoes, I've only skated the 003's so far and I really like them. Very light and fits my feet perfectly even though I had to go 1/2 a size up. The sole is super grippy compared to the Vans I'm used to skating, so much so that it kept catching me out the first session.
Not sure how well they will hold up as I ollie very high up the shoe and I can already see some wear above the ollie pad. I'll report back after a few more sessions.
Overall though I can thoroughly recommend the shoe as it looks ace and is really light and comfortable. Can't wait to try skating the 004 cause that boost sole is so nice, but wearing at as a casual shoe for now.
https://imgur.com/a/yi8sOHk/
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wide feet, high arch, prone to heel bruise: is the 3ST.003 a go or a no for me?
boost does wonders, i don't know how they fit but i'd buy them if i were you purely for that reason
The 003s don't have boost though, only the 004s, if I'm not mistaken.
004 is the only one with boost.
I have wide feet, and I have footprint orthotics to help my arches, but the 003 is good for me and I'll never stop saying it. About to get pair #4.
yeah, i fucked up and thought he was talking about the 004s
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The Dorado ADV was incredibly comfortable... I think maybe the "power-up" arrows on the toe turned alot of people off
that could be the reason, i had them and they felt and skated great but i couldn't stand the look of that toe piece
Didn´t the Koston 1 on Nike also have the arrow detail stich?
But to stay on the topic, the way the dorados showcased the boost was so much more practical(in comparision to the 004).
That shoe will always hold a special place in my heart...the fit,tongue and shape was the best ever.
yeah, the koston 1s did have that arrow-like stitching but it was much more subtle than the arrow on the dorados
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The 003s and the city cups have been my favorite shoes hands down. Definitely have to try the 004's after this review!
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The 004s are pretty much the Lucas Premieres and Dorados put together.
and what a combination
I just got a pair of the 3mc, maybe a little long in the toe but otherwise feel great. Looking forward to skating them.
they are a very rad simple shoe. i didnt really give them much shine compared to the 3ST003 & 004... but I think they are a better shoe than the predecessor--the adi-ease.
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Interested in the 3st.004 for the boost but can anyone who's got them say if the sizing runs big?
I've tried City Cups in my usual size and the width was good but shoe was too long for me.
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Interested in the 3st.004 for the boost but can anyone who's got them say if the sizing runs big?
I've tried City Cups in my usual size and the width was good but shoe was too long for me.
The .004 is just a little too big for me in my normal size but for me I think going .5 down would be too small. I'm like a 9.75 in them but that's not a thing. I haven't skated them yet so they might start to feel a little bigger at that point but I don't know yet.
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Keep in mind that Adidas is inconsistent between their own half-sizes. Sometimes the jump from one half size to another is 0.20" and sometimes the jump is only 0.10" - you have to actually measure your foot and compare it to their chart (For instance, I wear a Nike 8.5, which is 10.125", but the Adidas 8.5 is 10.20" - whereas both companies' 8 are 10.00").
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Thanks dudes, by the sounds of it ide be a size 11.75 in the 3st.004
Sucks to be inbetween sizes with certain shoes. Also sucks living a bumsville and having to order everything online without being able to try shit on.
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adidas sizing is indeed all over the place, i’m a 9 in busenitz, 9.5 in busenitz vulc, 8.5 in city cup and 3st.003, 3st.004 fits true though (for me anyway)
i’d say just get them in your normal size and if you find they’re slightly too big to skate in then keep them as casual shoes, they’re really comfortable
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Interested in the 3st.004 for the boost but can anyone who's got them say if the sizing runs big?
I've tried City Cups in my usual size and the width was good but shoe was too long for me.
The .004 is just a little too big for me in my normal size but for me I think going .5 down would be too small. I'm like a 9.75 in them but that's not a thing. I haven't skated them yet so they might start to feel a little bigger at that point but I don't know yet.
thick or double up on the socks and they will definitely stretch.
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That review was right on the money. Thanks! I just went from City Cups to 3st.003 and I'm basically feeling like adidas 4 life at this point. So damn durable. I'm blown away by how long these bad boys last!
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Just bought the 003s and put them on my feet. I still think they look like a flaming hot turd but wanted to see how they perform while skating since they got so much praise in here.
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Interested in the 3st.004 for the boost but can anyone who's got them say if the sizing runs big?
I've tried City Cups in my usual size and the width was good but shoe was too long for me.
I'm a UK10 and I tried a 3st.004 in size UK10 and they were way too tight (width and length).
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I'll just chime in with the .004-praise. I have wide feet, low arches and semi-intense pronation which usually forces me to use all kinds of extra insoles - the 004's are just a treat, both stability and cushioning-wise.
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004s are a cool mix with the being thin under the toes and really stable and comfy in the heel- cushion wise too!
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We have now entered the twilight zone...
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So... How many heels does it take to rip the the boost?
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So... How many heels does it take to rip the the boost?
I'm having no issues with the boost from heals or any other tricks, but I did wear through the leather on the white ones from ollies and kickflips in a session. I do ollie high up the shoe though so this might not apply to everyone.
Love the 004, just wish it had similar protection to the 003. Will have to pre super glue the next pair.
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So... How many heels does it take to rip the the boost?
I'm having no issues with the boost from heals or any other tricks, but I did wear through the leather on the white ones from ollies and kickflips in a session. I do ollie high up the shoe though so this might not apply to everyone.
Love the 004, just wish it had similar protection to the 003. Will have to pre super glue the next pair.
Really? Thats super disappointing. Usually, I also get ollie holes rather quick.
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So... How many heels does it take to rip the the boost?
I'm having no issues with the boost from heals or any other tricks, but I did wear through the leather on the white ones from ollies and kickflips in a session. I do ollie high up the shoe though so this might not apply to everyone.
Love the 004, just wish it had similar protection to the 003. Will have to pre super glue the next pair.
Really? Thats super disappointing. Usually, I also get ollie holes rather quick.
Yes it is disappointing, especially as they are £99... To be fair though, unless the shoes have some sort of ollie protection I go through most shoes very fast. Also I'm not sure if the suede will hold up better then the white leather ones.
Super glued them after the first session to be able to keep skating them as I love how they feel on the board and they look sick.
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That's a deep review, thank you.
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Ordered these in US 9 and they fit like a full size larger than any Nike SB's I've had in that size.
Unfortunate, they do fit very comfortable.
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I'm so confused by the sizing of adidas that I've given up on them for a while. I loved the 3st.001, skated 3 pairs. Saw some campus adv in the same size online, snapped em up, they're enormous. Way too big. So i went to the shop and tried on some 3st.004, size 10 seemed right, 9 definitely too small. Wore them a few days, thinking when they break in they'll be perfect, but instead they feel like my heel is going to slip out constantly. My toe is at the end, they're tight across the top of my foot at about the point where my arch is, and super loose and soft around the heel collar.
At around the same time I ordered the adidas sabalo, in 9.5, thinking it might fit more like the 3st.001 because they're both cupsole. Same problem, super tight across the middle and my heel slips out.
So fuck you adidas, come get your three shitty ill fitting shoes. I want my money back.
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They are on sale, 60% off. Kinda tempted to try them out, but as a guy who gets ollie holes fast, its seems kinda like no bueno
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Crazy that you can wear through .004s in a session. I've got like 30 hours in mine and not got any holes in the suede. I got them from Orchard and the dude recommended that I super glue the stitching around the ollie area which worked out great. Don't sleep on them for 60% off!