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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: momiller5 on May 08, 2019, 02:14:03 AM
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I realize there are a few threads about spacers already, but none of them really gave me the answers I was looking for:
Bought a set of Swiss Labyrinths recently and tried to put them w/ spacers in my Spitfires. I noticed the spacer was not secure inside the core of the wheel -- it rattled around when I shook the wheel. Is this how spacers are meant to be? Didn't seem right to me so I went ahead and put the bearings on without them.
I guess just more generally speaking, how do you guys feel about spacers? Are there any advantages to not putting them on and/or are certain wheels just not really meant to accommodate spacers?
Thanks.
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I don't think I have ever used the spacers. Honestly I don't exactly know what they do and at this point I'm afraid to ask.
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I realize there are a few threads about spacers already, but none of them really gave me the answers I was looking for:
Bought a set of Swiss Labyrinths recently and tried to put them w/ spacers in my Spitfires. I noticed the spacer was not secure inside the core of the wheel -- it rattled around when I shook the wheel. Is this how spacers are meant to be? Didn't seem right to me so I went ahead and put the bearings on without them.
I guess just more generally speaking, how do you guys feel about spacers? Are there any advantages to not putting them on and/or are certain wheels just not really meant to accommodate spacers?
Thanks.
What Spitfires? I have the opposite problem. I wanted to put spacers in my 53mm SF Classics but the spacers slightly protrude from the inner wheel ring and the bearings won't sit flush.
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spacers keep your bearings parallel and reduce the stress of having them not parallel
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I think you're supposed to tighten the axle nut all the way down to stop them from rattling? I don't know because I don't use them. I know they're supposed to make bearings work more efficiently and protect them from damage caused by sideways impacts and loads on wheels that happen during skating. Personally I can't stand the deadened sound they give your entire setup and my cheap-mid priced bearings last long enough and work well enough without them.
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I’ve never used spacers besides K-Mart completes back in the day.
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I only started using spacers recently, but now I don't think I can go without them.
Spacers reduce all that load that bearings take from hard landings, powerslides, what have you, thus prolonging the life of your bearings. I wanna think that more often than not, the ones who have the tendency to blow out their bearings don't use spacers.
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Spacers is to:
1. Make the bearings parallel
2. Make the inner rings connect and not spin
Why?
Most skaters dont use it, and have some sideways play on the wheels. As the wheels wont turn if they tighten them all the way down. This mean a notsogood load on the bearings.
Makes sens, right?
So if you use everything as intended, and tighten the wheel all the way, it will still spin, have less bad load, and will last longer. But as discussed before, wheels do not have low enough tolerances. Therefore it might not function as good as it should.
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I use spacers and speed rings. If I don’t I bust bearings pretty quickly.
If spacers the spacers that came with your bones bearings aren’t fitting in a spit or oj or bones something is wrong with the seats.
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Spacers is to:
1. Make the bearings parallel
2. Make the inner rings connect and not spin
Why?
Most skaters dont use it, and have some sideways play on the wheels. As the wheels wont turn if they tighten them all the way down. This mean a notsogood load on the bearings.
Makes sens, right?
So if you use everything as intended, and tighten the wheel all the way, it will still spin, have less bad load, and will last longer. But as discussed before, wheels do not have low enough tolerances. Therefore it might not function as good as it should.
The only way I can get things perfect is race reds in bones wheels....they consistently have correct cores....yes, it makes your board sound dead....
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In theory, spacers should work great. In actuality though it's just not worth bothering when no ones sizing (on spacers and wheels) is consistent.
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I realize there are a few threads about spacers already, but none of them really gave me the answers I was looking for:
Bought a set of Swiss Labyrinths recently and tried to put them w/ spacers in my Spitfires. I noticed the spacer was not secure inside the core of the wheel -- it rattled around when I shook the wheel. Is this how spacers are meant to be? Didn't seem right to me so I went ahead and put the bearings on without them.
I guess just more generally speaking, how do you guys feel about spacers? Are there any advantages to not putting them on and/or are certain wheels just not really meant to accommodate spacers?
Thanks.
What Spitfires? I have the opposite problem. I wanted to put spacers in my 53mm SF Classics but the spacers slightly protrude from the inner wheel ring and the bearings won't sit flush.
I’ve Had 5 different spit shapes with 3 styles of bearings with spacers. I’ve had no problems.
What I’m getting from your post is that the spacers are preventing the bearings from reaching the proper depth?
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If the spacers protrude slightly and you keep skating them then the wheels will start wearing from the inside too. Use a file (or some grip tape) and carefully file down the longer spacers until they are flush. I have never managed to make this work as good as a perfect spacer would.
If the spacers are short then the wheel starts doing the step thing when tightened fully.
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spacers keep your bearings parallel and reduce the stress of having them not parallel
Pretty much this. The skate wheel is primarily a tyre, and the bearings + spacers provide the extra structural support. Yeah you can get away with not having them, just like only using 2 or 3 bolts - but it’s not stable especially at high speeds/powerslides. I ripped out the core of my wheel sliding without spacers - maybe a bad wheel - but it’s never happened again since I started using the spacers.
And I don’t tighten them all the way, I like a tiny bit of rattle - so the extra support of the spacer is perfect for me.
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Just set up a new set of swiss 6, and used spacers for the first time in 15 years probably. All because of this forum. I can see the reasons for it and if it helps in the long run the extra 30 seconds it took will be worth it
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Would washer, bearing, washer, spacer, washer, bearing, washer solve world hunger?
* reporting back, we should ban wheels that don't comply with bearing spacers man. Washer spacer washer tech is leaving em hungry
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inb4 built in spacers
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I’m a keep-the-shields-on type but I stopped believing in spacers because urethane deforms too much while you’re skating for them to perform their function. but I have no proof. just an observation from skating with spacers and still getting blown out bearings and noticing bearings come out of their seats a bit while skating, causing the wheels to tighten.
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It's possible I think too that the situations we put our boards in make all the points moot.....I'm on a good streak of metal on metal and it seems as if the bearings are lasting well...
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The spacer is supposed to be wider then the middle of the bearing seat, not exactly the same. That way you know you will always have contact between the space and bearings. Nothing is designed expecting to have a perfect fit.
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they still work even if you don't have them tightened all the way to dead sound. they reduce the ability for the inner and outer races to misalign too much during any lateral force situation or any type of bonk or contouring which will fuck your shit up sooner.
recently noticed before leaving the office that two of my wheels weren't spinning as well. thought maybe some rust from the spring rains (i keep lube at my desk) but turns out two of my crowns were cracked. i took out the loose pieces, lubed them and am currently running the two bearings (on separate wheels) with less then half a crown. was gonna replace them when i got home but they have been working fine/fast for the last almost 2 weeks. maybe it's the deeper races of the swiss 6 and that i keep my shields on but i didn't think this was possible. they are 7 years old.
i understand the aesthetic appeal of showing your balls, and how important the sounds of things are but all those parts are there for valid structural reasons.
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Which is the more unnecessary accessory: bearing spacers or aftermarket pivot cups?
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Not all cups are created equally
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spacers are unnecessary.
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Which is the more unnecessary accessory: bearing spacers or aftermarket pivot cups?
I saw some stupid colored axle nuts in a shop which came with a pack of andale bearings I think. Who uses colored axle nuts? So tacky haha.
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One other thing I've discovered in trying to get things perfect.....I put a tiny bit of oil or coconut oil on the inside of my wheel so the bearing goes in deep and is sitting how it's intended. Often the bearing doesn't go in all the way and is hung up on the minor imperfections of the core....
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Ohh......... You've discovered.......... The secret........... Thanks J.............. Soy..........................
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Which is the more unnecessary accessory: bearing spacers or aftermarket pivot cups?
Ive got the aftermarket pivots in my indy69s and i say dont knock them. Im mean if the wheels should be urethane and the bushings should be urethane why are you opposed to pivot cups that cost more than a fraction of a cent to produce and are urethane as well? Theyre not "necessary" but neither is skateboarding in general.
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I’ve come to the conclusion that spacers only serve their intended purpose of they fit the inside of the wheel correctly so that both your bearings can be fully seated. The problem is they often just don’t fit and as soon as you take out your spacers, shit starts working better.
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
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In 100+ years of skating I only once had a spacer/wheel combo that did not rattle. And it was the best. I haven't given up the hope to end up again with a spacer/wheel combo that won't rattle, and treat me to a new set of spacers whenever I buy a new set of wheels. I don't like the spacer/speedring combination, because usually the bearing won't sit flush with the wheel.
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Yeah, since I bought Bones Swiss, I thought I’d do the right thing and use the spacers, but it was impossible to get both bearings to actually fit in 100% in the conical full f4s I’m using. The outer bearings would slowly come out more when I skated. So I ditched the spacers, was able to get both bearings in all the way and everything feels exactly right.
Fuck spacers.
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
what bearings did you pair them with?
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Don’t fall for their lies, bearing spacers are useless and are implanted with microphones so the government can listen into to you talking to your skate bud about weed.
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
I’m running bones swiss ceramics with these new spacers in powell g-slides, thunder 161, on a 10 x 30 Lucero Madrid reissue. It absolutely flies, It’s a lot of fun!
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
I’m running bones swiss ceramics with these new spacers in powell g-slides, on thunder 161 and a 10inch Lucero Madrid reissue. It absolutely flies, It’s a lot of fun!
I bet. Gotta get you over to the big boy thread and post up
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Yeah, since I bought Bones Swiss, I thought I’d do the right thing and use the spacers, but it was impossible to get both bearings to actually fit in 100% in the conical full f4s I’m using. The outer bearings would slowly come out more when I skated. So I ditched the spacers, was able to get both bearings in all the way and everything feels exactly right.
Fuck spacers.
same bearings, same wheels, same problem. seeing my outer bearing that far out is impending death, gonna do the right thing and ditch them
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I have achieved perfection and it's not that great......
Spitfire cores are always wrong and the wheel hole is always small....bones has worked for me. If you believe in spacers.....the built ins are superior.....definitely kooky though.
My set up is two bearings, wheel, axel nut. I have the axel nut about as tight as it will go and the wheel still spins super fast. This is how it's suppose to work. Stacking in speed washers, backing it off 1/16 of a turn... c'mon.....
No one does this though and honestly there's weird spin offs like your wheels don't make any noise when you powerslide, your pop sounds dead....the vibration of the wheels are speakers. Who knew?
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I'm pretty specific for my gear and I will never not be able to skate without spacers again. I just buy cheap bearings but I swear they help. Also some once said why would I not use them if they're included with the bearings? That makes perfect sense.
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Used some spacers on reds with NFG v-cuts and they can move a bit inside the wheel after the bearings are seated, so that’s pretty much useless?
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Yeah, since I bought Bones Swiss, I thought I’d do the right thing and use the spacers, but it was impossible to get both bearings to actually fit in 100% in the conical full f4s I’m using. The outer bearings would slowly come out more when I skated. So I ditched the spacers, was able to get both bearings in all the way and everything feels exactly right.
Fuck spacers.
Yes, pushing the second bearing in all the way meant pushing the other one out. A problem only created by spacers, a buncha malarkey.
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
I’m running bones swiss ceramics with these new spacers in powell g-slides, on thunder 161 and a 10inch Lucero Madrid reissue. It absolutely flies, It’s a lot of fun!
Ok, I’ll give it a go with imghur. Is that the best way for pics?
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
I’m running bones swiss ceramics with these new spacers in powell g-slides, on thunder 161 and a 10inch Lucero Madrid reissue. It absolutely flies, It’s a lot of fun!
Ok, I’ll give it a go with imghur. Is that the best way for pics?
right under the white box to the left where you’d reply is a link that says “add image to post”
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Picked up these bad boys today for my cruiser. Works a treat, noticeably improved stability and speed, very happy with the results.
https://seismicskate.com/product/tekton-precision-profiled-xt-steel-spacers/
I’m running bones swiss ceramics with these new spacers in powell g-slides, on thunder 161 and a 10inch Lucero Madrid reissue. It absolutely flies, It’s a lot of fun!
Ok, I’ll give it a go with imghur. Is that the best way for pics?
Ha - no way, now I feel like a complete dunce. I posted up with IG, but next time I’ll use the link, cheers!
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Yeah you don't want your spacers rattling around in your wheels.
I recently changed to a different brand and had that issue.
I'm pretty mental about spacers in my pricy bearings so I found some that fit proper.
If they don't fit they're just going to harm you.
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Don’t fall for their lies, bearing spacers are useless and are implanted with microphones so the government can listen into to you talking to your skate bud about weed.
1oo%. spacers are the worst.
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I usually use spacers and have no problem but i just copped those new 97a f4 classics in 54mm, and after a few days noticed two wheels weren't spinning properly, turns out the spacer is wider than the gap etc. Lame. They're the spacers that come with bones swiss, Maybe they're proprietary to bones wheels :-\
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If you can’t straight up tell the difference between riding setups with or without spacers then I feel sorry for your insensitive feet ... either that or I’m copping massive placebo effect
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How many people ride with a fair space between wheel nut and bearings and how many tighten that thing down so there is no rattle?
I have been a space between guy for a long time, not really a spacer guy, although some of my boards with swiss still have the factory spacers in between in older setups I think and don't have issues.
Without spacers, everything still runs as it should and I can fit three washers on the inside easily too.
I have noticed Spitfire and some other wheels have a narrower bearing seat than others, but even Bones wheels still have that movement in some I have seen.
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Always use spacers...even if they rattle a bit. Some wheels will work some will rattle...but its never stopped me from using it...never knew why, only because it was in the pack and the first setup i did at a shop the guy put them in. Now if I don’t do it i feel weird about it.
Always use speed rings...and tighten my nuts all the way. I loosen it to the point where when i spin the wheels and they come to a stop its super gradual and smooth.
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In a perfect world wheels would come with spacers that match the width of their cores. Since bearings are interchangeable with wheel brands this would make more sense. Bones wheels and the spacers that come with their bearings don’t even match up.
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Don't like the way they make my set up feel kinda dead.. I know they work just like I know bearing shields do
I just don't like them..
washers are a different story . I Must have two per wheel or my brain says no
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Don't like the way they make my set up feel kinda dead.. I know they work just like I know bearing shields do
I just don't like them..
washers are a different story . I Must have two per wheel or my brain says no
You kept the least important part
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Don't like the way they make my set up feel kinda dead.. I know they work just like I know bearing shields do
I just don't like them..
washers are a different story . I Must have two per wheel or my brain says no
The dead feeling comes from a poor fit.
It sounds like you been skating in the rain when they are too small.
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This was answered in the none club actually! I forgot which one, but I am sure it was somewhere on Andrew Reynolds stop and chat? It was during a what's your setup segment I believe?
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This was answered in the nine club actually! I forgot which one, but I am sure it was somewhere on Andrew Reynolds stop and chat? It was during a what's your setup segment I believe?
Found it!! 4:50 it's explained.
https://youtu.be/uv1wzMp6hgE