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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: Saarinotsorry on January 18, 2020, 12:29:27 AM
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Okay. So my madness catalogue consists of theeve, indy, venture hi and thunder team hollows. All are great performing trucks with individual highlights but personally Indy standard 139’s just feel so damn good for a all terrain truck. I always freak out and switch i always go back to indy
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From a physics perspective, indys suck. They are bricks.
Less weight = easier everything.
Someone should make a test where they have X amount of setups, all with equal WB and tail/nose angle.
Its the only way to leave out stuff like different leverage and turning radious duo to the trucks different WB.
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To me 139 standards don't say atv; they say I skate street, ride an 8, and don't care about height or weight. Or I was broke and didn't wanna get Venture cast.
Thunders turn too thundery so they're out. Theeve and Film cost more than Indy.. Ace? Ace's issues have issues. Interested to see the new stuff though. Tensor? Price and the name? The name more than the price..
I think 144-149 would be atv range. 159 if you're a big boy.
Yeah. Lighter should be better for just about everything. But lately I've been thinking maybe heavier would be better for slappies. Maybe crusty ledges/hubba's too, just for the extra momentum. Can't think of any other reason. Og steez? More exercise?
Would be an interesting experiment. Might be tough to match angles, even just the tail, without redrilling. Playing around with how steep the kick is and where it starts (fingers of flat) would change the feel too.
Degros x Prof? Oh, free vid idea for ya buddy
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Honestly, its about time someone revolutionize trucks.
Thunders are stupidly designed. The baseplate doesnt distribute pressure evenly, and is easly banged up to the point where it can protrude into the board. This cause more pressure cracks, and a weak point in the board.
Really, the only brand that seems to try anything is Tensor. So my next truck will be Tensors ATG
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If any of you wishing that your thunders are higher, just take out the stock bottom bushings on those thunders in put aftermarket connical bushing from independent.
If you want to make it exactly indy standards high, add another small washer in the bottom washer in addition to the indy connical bushings.
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Flowerpower sucks
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Honestly, its about time someone revolutionize trucks.
Thunders are stupidly designed. The baseplate doesnt distribute pressure evenly, and is easly banged up to the point where it can protrude into the board. This cause more pressure cracks, and a weak point in the board.
Really, the only brand that seems to try anything is Tensor. So my next truck will be Tensors ATG
- Well, you for those Avenue trucks.
- Smart choice, you'll have a great time.
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If any of you wishing that your thunders are higher, just take out the stock bottom bushings on those thunders in put aftermarket connical bushing from independent.
If you want to make it exactly indy standards high, add another small washer in the bottom washer in addition to the indy connical bushings.
Not trying to be a dick, but none of that washes. Thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy's. So your first piece of advice, it's just going to make the Thunder sit lower. Adding a washer under an Indy bushing would make it... normal Thunder height. If you want taller Thunders, use a riser.
Unless you're talking Thunder lows. In which case you'd be throwing the geometry off hard enough to start stressing things like the kingpin. Not a good idea.
From a physics perspective, indys suck. They are bricks.
Less weight = easier everything.
Someone should make a test where they have X amount of setups, all with equal WB and tail/nose angle.
Its the only way to leave out stuff like different leverage and turning radious duo to the trucks different WB.
The difference between standard cast versions of Indy, Ace, Thunder, and Venture isn't that drastic, within 15-20g of one another. If you start adding forged plates and hollow steel, then you have some actual weight differences. Perceived weight due to wheelbase lengthening however is a thing to consider.
Went over that in one of the 9 truck threads going on, if you wanted to have that level of control over testing situations, where you can tailor different decks to feel the exact same with different truck brands, you're going to be ordering custom one-offs per set up, with different molds for each one.
Also, seriously, there's way too many truck threads happening simultaneously right now.
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If any of you wishing that your thunders are higher, just take out the stock bottom bushings on those thunders in put aftermarket connical bushing from independent.
If you want to make it exactly indy standards high, add another small washer in the bottom washer in addition to the indy connical bushings.
Not trying to be a dick, but none of that washes. Thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy's. So your first piece of advice, it's just going to make the Thunder sit lower. Adding a washer under an Indy bushing would make it... normal Thunder height. If you want taller Thunders, use a riser.
I dunno what at to tell you, my stock thunder team 148 bottom bushings are shorter then my aftermarket indy connical bushings. Anyone wanna chime in go ahead but I will double check just too make sure.
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If any of you wishing that your thunders are higher, just take out the stock bottom bushings on those thunders in put aftermarket connical bushing from independent.
If you want to make it exactly indy standards high, add another small washer in the bottom washer in addition to the indy connical bushings.
Not trying to be a dick, but none of that washes. Thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy's. So your first piece of advice, it's just going to make the Thunder sit lower. Adding a washer under an Indy bushing would make it... normal Thunder height. If you want taller Thunders, use a riser.
I dunno what at to tell you, my stock thunder team 148 bottom bushings are shorter then my aftermarket indy connical bushings. Anyone wanna chime in go ahead but I will double check just too make sure.
Indy aftermarket on the left, standard Thunder high on the right,
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Yeah, I can't shake indys. Have ridden standards all my life and i'm about to go the Titaniums when they wear through. Thunders were fun but couldn't stick with em.
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Okay. So my madness catalogue consists of theeve, indy, venture hi and thunder team hollows. All are great performing trucks with individual highlights but personally Indy standard 139’s just feel so damn good for a all terrain truck. I always freak out and switch i always go back to indy
sounds like you're already set on indys, why change your mind?
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
Has anyone reported the loose kingpins in theeves lately? I seem to be the only person that had that problem and thats the only reason i stopped skating them. otherwise they were the best trucks
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I haven’t had the issue but I haven’t had them that long. I read a lot of reviews prior to buying them and you were the only one I came across that had loose kingpins. Maybe just had bad luck? I’d say try em again, these trucks really are “all u need”.
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
Has anyone reported the loose kingpins in theeves lately? I seem to be the only person that had that problem and thats the only reason i stopped skating them. otherwise they were the best trucks
Stopped skating theeve for that reason. loose kingpins four times in a month. I said no thanks to more replacement baseblates and got my money back.
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If any of you wishing that your thunders are higher, just take out the stock bottom bushings on those thunders in put aftermarket connical bushing from independent.
If you want to make it exactly indy standards high, add another small washer in the bottom washer in addition to the indy connical bushings.
Not trying to be a dick, but none of that washes. Thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy's. So your first piece of advice, it's just going to make the Thunder sit lower. Adding a washer under an Indy bushing would make it... normal Thunder height. If you want taller Thunders, use a riser.
Unless you're talking Thunder lows. In which case you'd be throwing the geometry off hard enough to start stressing things like the kingpin. Not a good idea.
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From a physics perspective, indys suck. They are bricks.
Less weight = easier everything.
Someone should make a test where they have X amount of setups, all with equal WB and tail/nose angle.
Its the only way to leave out stuff like different leverage and turning radious duo to the trucks different WB.
The difference between standard cast versions of Indy, Ace, Thunder, and Venture isn't that drastic, within 15-20g of one another. If you start adding forged plates and hollow steel, then you have some actual weight differences. Perceived weight due to wheelbase lengthening however is a thing to consider.
Went over that in one of the 9 truck threads going on, if you wanted to have that level of control over testing situations, where you can tailor different decks to feel the exact same with different truck brands, you're going to be ordering custom one-offs per set up, with different molds for each one.
Also, seriously, there's way too many truck threads happening simultaneously right now.
Geometry matters way more than weight, too.
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Venture & Indy are the only trucks that matter. Fuck the rest hehe. Indy when you get hesh, venture gettin tech, it’s a no brainer
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For me Indy's a re a nice compromise between Thunder and Ace with the benefit of a bit more height clearance. I have no problem with them, I'd just rather use Thunder and Ace. We'll see what Stage 12 brings...
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Indys are the jack of all trades master of none, except being heavy as fuck and slow to adapt (late at hollow, late at TI, not that you need that shit).
They are also the truck by which all others are modeled after and judged.
I'd still pick Theeve over Indy every time (never had loose kingpin issues....or bones bulge issues from way back).
Tensor ATGs are my go to now, taking over my Thunder needs with Theeve filling in for Indy/Ace (still run some ACE tho). ATGs are just so fucking good at everything.
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
Has anyone reported the loose kingpins in theeves lately? I seem to be the only person that had that problem and thats the only reason i stopped skating them. otherwise they were the best trucks
Stopped skating theeve for that reason. loose kingpins four times in a month. I said no thanks to more replacement baseblates and got my money back.
Was this happening with V3’s for you?
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I know its not a realistic replacement for most people, but for me the "best" trucks I've skated are the Theeve Ti-Hangers. They're super light (not as light as mag-lights though), have what I would consider to be an ideal height, and are both very stable on center and turn very sharply. They obviously put a shit ton of engineering into them and the outcome is pretty awesome in my opinion. That would be my choice if for some reason I had to choose only one type of truck to ride for the rest of my life.
At any rate, "best" is subjective. Indys are good trucks. So are Ventures. So are Thunders. So are Theeves, Tensors, and Destructos. Which one you like the most will be determined by your setup, how you skate, and your general preferences. So if what you want is a versatile "jack of all trades" type truck as Xen noted, then Indys are probably going to be your jam, or maybe Thunder. If you value light weight over all else then you're going to think Tensors are the best. If you're cheap and like low trucks then boom, mini-logo. It's all personal preference.
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
Has anyone reported the loose kingpins in theeves lately? I seem to be the only person that had that problem and thats the only reason i stopped skating them. otherwise they were the best trucks
Stopped skating theeve for that reason. loose kingpins four times in a month. I said no thanks to more replacement baseblates and got my money back.
Was this happening with V3’s for you?
It's got to be bad luck (if they were sending you replacement plates, assume they were all coming from the same 'stock' right? Surely they weren't disassembling trucks to send out plates to people; bad batches maybe? That shit seems to happen to all of them that don't come out of SF (and even they aren't perfect).
Was this also back in the ti pin days?
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I see everyone’s sleeping on the new Grind Kings with the sparklers.
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For me there's a tier to follow and it goes like this Thunders for rail chomping and ledge grinds, Indy's & Ace's for vert and hesh gnar dog fuckery, Venture for tech manual tricks.
I like my Indy's and Ace's because I go through phases of skating different big dog shit but sometimes I switch it up with Thunders and Ventures the wider wheelbase on them gives a great manual counter balance only thing I am not hyped on for those trucks is slides and wheelbite they aren't as responsive to turning like Indy's and Ace's but they've got other great qualities. Ace and Indy have a centered wheelbase shorten the wheelbase up a bit and killer carving almost like a wave and I stand by this.
Alll in all Indy's and Ace's are my go to the rest have their place, different tools for for different spots.
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
Has anyone reported the loose kingpins in theeves lately? I seem to be the only person that had that problem and thats the only reason i stopped skating them. otherwise they were the best trucks
Stopped skating theeve for that reason. loose kingpins four times in a month. I said no thanks to more replacement baseblates and got my money back.
Was this happening with V3’s for you?
It's got to be bad luck (if they were sending you replacement plates, assume they were all coming from the same 'stock' right? Surely they weren't disassembling trucks to send out plates to people; bad batches maybe? That shit seems to happen to all of them that don't come out of SF (and even they aren't perfect).
Was this also back in the ti pin days?
Yeah, it seems like factory changes or improving quality control isn’t uncommon (except Ace). These Theeve’s I have might be a fresh batch, as I noticed they switched the “TiAX” on the hanger to the right side and flipped it so you see it normal, as opposed to being on the left side and upside down. I haven’t seen any photo of them being this way besides a recent IG post of theirs, of that Spencer Nuzzi kid’s set-up who they’ve been hooking up trucks so he’ll hype them up. This could mean nothing, or it could be in combination with a better alloy. They have that softer ace look to them, but not as grainy and still feel very solid at the same time.
I feel like Thunders looked cleaner after 148’s came out. China Indy’s seem improved, then companies like Tensor with the ATG’s seem higher quality compared to old ones or their cheap alloy model.
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After an entire year of buying every truck under the sun, I wasted all that money and time just to realise nothing beats the 159's. Ace have their uses though, depends what kind of WB the deck I have is. 14.25 with 159s is ideal, 14.5 with Ace is good too.
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After an entire year of buying every truck under the sun, I wasted all that money and time just to realise nothing beats the 159's. Ace have their uses though, depends what kind of WB the deck I have is. 14.25 with 159s is ideal, 14.5 with Ace is good too.
If ACE get's their fucking QC shit together this spring I'll stick with them, best height best turn, good stabilty. Fucking terribad QC for the most part (I've only had one early set bend); fingers crossed for their forged hollow entry!
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For me there's a tier to follow and it goes like this Thunders for rail chomping and ledge grinds, Indy's & Ace's for vert and hesh gnar dog fuckery, Venture for tech manual tricks.
I like my Indy's and Ace's because I go through phases of skating different big dog shit but sometimes I switch it up with Thunders and Ventures the wider wheelbase on them gives a great manual counter balance only thing I am not hyped on for those trucks is slides and wheelbite they aren't as responsive to turning like Indy's and Ace's but they've got other great qualities. Ace and Indy have a centered wheelbase shorten the wheelbase up a bit and killer carving almost like a wave and I stand by this.
Alll in all Indy's and Ace's are my go to the rest have their place, different tools for for different spots.
i got my venture hi turning nice as hell yesterday. I they turn sharper than my Indys now but dont wheel bite as hard.
I tested the ventures against the ace. It was a closer in turn and they were both on a 14.5? wb.
I think its because i put a bones med top on them and ran stock barrels.
The turn is less when carving back and forth. The venture doesn't respond smooth to quick direction change like Indy ace and thunders.
Also i feel the ace has the best manny point out of these trucks.
But yeah all those marketing profiles are true. I look at it more like this.
Theres no skate Nazis riding fucking ventures. most likely none getting boxes from thunder either.
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I think the only thing that oval hanger hole does on theeves is to leave an oval dirty spot on the bushings. Which is actually quite nice to keep them oriented the same way after you take em apart and put em back together
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While I think the difference between all the major truck brands isn't crazy I definitely like Indys the most. I like switching it up here and there but overall I find that they either feel like Indys or need to feel more like Indys. with ace I wanted to slow the turn a little bit and made them too sluggish and with ventures and thunders I try to speed the turn up more to get more carve which they're just not really meant to do. I think Indys handle everything good enough depending on how you have them set up, can't fuck with anything under 149 though, too tippy for me.
one thing, while the feel of ventures makes my board feel kind of sluggish I feel like I skate better and more consistent, and a little faster. aces I've hung up on more slappys which pretty much makes them a no go for me but I loved how they were a slightly snappier indy, still might come back to those, and thunders are just too low and tight for me. I always get stoked on changing it up and just am either underwhelmed or get over it and a couple weeks.
indys' marketings corny tho imo, but they make up for it with a good turn, cool looking hangars and Jake Johnson footage. they lose me with that biker fuck the rest shit, constant Joslin plugs, and breaking into pools drinkin' beers shit. no one has it all.
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Theeve’s. Better turn than Indy and more stable on center. Oval yoke turns the wheels inward and at 210lbs I cannot wheelbite them for the life of me running them loose as hell. They’re like a more refined Ace truck and have top notch quality control.
Has anyone reported the loose kingpins in theeves lately? I seem to be the only person that had that problem and thats the only reason i stopped skating them. otherwise they were the best trucks
Stopped skating theeve for that reason. loose kingpins four times in a month. I said no thanks to more replacement baseblates and got my money back.
Was this happening with V3’s for you?
It's got to be bad luck (if they were sending you replacement plates, assume they were all coming from the same 'stock' right? Surely they weren't disassembling trucks to send out plates to people; bad batches maybe? That shit seems to happen to all of them that don't come out of SF (and even they aren't perfect).
Was this also back in the ti pin days?
This was v3 tikings so yeah they had ti kingpins if thats what u mean. Sure they could all have been from the same bad batch.
Regarded them as the best feeling trucks, but hadnt ever carved in a bowl back then so who knows how I would like them now.
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i kind of got tired of indys last year after i worn out my last set for the time being. switched to ventures and it's all good. main thing i had to get used to was how they affect pop differently. i haven't done anything to them. they turn about as nice as indys to me, but have less of a deadzone than indys, where loose indys might not turn anymore but just wobble into wheelbites in my experience. they also grind way smoother and have a lot of meat on the hanger so to speak.
i also want to try the new aces when they come out. otherwise there is no truck madness. i have ridden a few pairs of thunders but never found them to be exceptional, always broke the kingping on them and often wrecked the baseplate in attempts to getting it out, slipping axles, i dunno. i must have always gotten ones from a bad batch. though i liked how they turned i thought they grinded not that good and always went to shit fast.
i was on a borrowed set of destructos for a while when i was super broke ages ago and i remember liking them, but since they seemed like some sort of indy copy, i didn't bother buying them over actual indys. funny since i am waiting to try aces whose whole concept is to be an old school indy copy.
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I’ve got Venture 5.8 hi after skating nothing but Indys for 25 years. They’re easily as loose and carve no differently to 149s. I really like them. The only thing I can see being an issue is that there’s not as much meat around the baseplate where the pivot cup sits. I already slide through to pivot cup on Indys kinda quick, so this could be an issue.
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
Not buying Indy's for this reason seems as dumb as buying into the tough guy image, you're still being affected by the marketing, just in the opposite direction. And you say it like someone wouldn't ride Indy cuz they like the way they turn and grind. Or could ignore all that trucker hat, dickies, wallet chain, vans, pbr bs.
And it means Venture's marketing better appeals to you? I mean, really think about the psychology of it all. How we're influenced to like what we like.. Do you like Venture cuz you really like the trucks? Or does their marketing say steezy to you?
Or talk about how the trucks feel. Cuz some of that talk has made me think about trying other trucks, the ones that seem similar to Indy..
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I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
It's a truck thread in Shoes & Gear, telling people not to worry about truck geometry is like telling someone with clinical OCD not to worry about the fringe folded over on a rug - you're pissing in the wind.
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I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
You're not alone.
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indy was never the best for me. never got good pop on shorter wb trucks for some odd reason. also riding heavy ass trucks doesnt do anything good for me. just makes me want to stay on the ground, be lazy, and avoid bone crushing shinners at all costs. but thats probably just me
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
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I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
It's a truck thread in Shoes & Gear, telling people not to worry about truck geometry is like telling someone with clinical OCD not to worry about the fringe folded over on a rug - you're pissing in the wind.
Bruh the post literally says change my mind, and that was my attempt. So many people are fairies with truck geometry smh that is my point.
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When it comes to design, Theeve is the best.
When it comes to looks, I like ACE and Indys.
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When it comes to design, Theeve is the best.
When it comes to looks, I like ACE and Indys.
It's funny how split people are on the look of ACE; you either love them or hate them. Indy hangers (backside) look great; the yoke design is as dated as their marketing (but it works).
I miss the old v1/v2 theeve hangers (essentially ACE / TiHanger designs). as I dislike the look of the hanger wings we've got now but who cares, they're great, even with their ugly logo baseplate :P
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Theeve look like life-sized TechDeck trucks.
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Theeve look like life-sized TechDeck trucks.
Thanks man, I just got a pair, in purple no less.
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From a physics perspective, indys suck. They are bricks.
Less weight = easier everything.
That's why they make the Indy Hollow's …. been riding those for 10+ years
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From a physics perspective, indys suck. They are bricks.
Less weight = easier everything.
That's why they make the Indy Hollow's …. been riding those for 10+ years
Best Trucks Ever
still heavy compared to all the competitors hollow iterations. "light" indys are only light compared to standard indys and aces. i understand some people just need to "ride the best" but weight savings will never be their calling card when its time to compare the "best" to the rest.
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Ah, fuck it.
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
respect
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I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
shalom.
But im pretty white trash by north eastern standards. It doesn't make me any less of a ledge gangster.
I just smoked some hash an dumpster dived at dunks
Awake
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I know I'm going to get roasted but I had a pair of the old school grind kings that were amazingly light.
still have them in a closet somewhere.
That being said, I weigh 140 and heard they were not lasting for bigger guys.
Currently on some giant Caliber trucks from a cruiser setup and they are so heavy its like kickfipping an aircraft carrier. do like them for bowl though. Wide af
Independents are pretty heavy, would prefer something lighter for street.
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
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I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
It's a truck thread in Shoes & Gear, telling people not to worry about truck geometry is like telling someone with clinical OCD not to worry about the fringe folded over on a rug - you're pissing in the wind.
In all serious thank you for your contributions to the wheelbase thread with venture and indys palelight. You really are the goat my guy :) I studied that shit for dayyyys and copped some cast and forged ventures couple weeks ago and wanted to experiment for myself and absolutely loving it
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Pretty sure if you just pick a pair of trucks you get used to them after a few weeks. People are frying out over geometry etc etc. The main reason not to skate Independent is the big iron cross logos on them. They also have a stupid tough guy advertising campaign that's outdated/embarrassing. I've been on Ventures for many years and will keep that going as long as I can. Awake.
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I would rather watch/support Bobby and mcclung slay lines on ledges for fucking dayyyyys on ventures than watch those assholes evan smith and figgy shotgun beers after hitting a kinked rail but that’s just me. marketing will always be a huge part of the skate community and let’s get real independents approach/appearance is pretty white trash. I buy the trucks because they fucking rule especially the titaniums, but I do not even consider anything else by that brand that’s for sure. I made the switch to venture lately and sure there is a difference but seriously just go out and shred baby. It’s really that simple, we all adapt to things over time yet so many people cry about switching trucks. Skate the shit, get used to the shit, rep the shit you wanna rep. Shalom ;)
p.s. - I’m super spacey I just smoked a J in the parking lot of a TGI Friday’s.
It's a truck thread in Shoes & Gear, telling people not to worry about truck geometry is like telling someone with clinical OCD not to worry about the fringe folded over on a rug - you're pissing in the wind.
No worries man. It was a bad day on my end and arguing with cheetahsheets for 24 hours didn't help the disposition. All good.
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When it comes to design, Theeve is the best.
When it comes to looks, I like ACE and Indys.
It's funny how split people are on the look of ACE; you either love them or hate them. Indy hangers (backside) look great; the yoke design is as dated as their marketing (but it works).
I miss the old v1/v2 theeve hangers (essentially ACE / TiHanger designs). as I dislike the look of the hanger wings we've got now but who cares, they're great, even with their ugly logo baseplate :P
What's up with the yoke? There's the no hang up shape and generally more sculpted design compared to stage 8. And 9? idr..
What are other brands doing differently?
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When it comes to design, Theeve is the best.
When it comes to looks, I like ACE and Indys.
It's funny how split people are on the look of ACE; you either love them or hate them. Indy hangers (backside) look great; the yoke design is as dated as their marketing (but it works).
I miss the old v1/v2 theeve hangers (essentially ACE / TiHanger designs). as I dislike the look of the hanger wings we've got now but who cares, they're great, even with their ugly logo baseplate :P
What are other brands doing differently?
Stage 11 yoke was ovalized. Every stage before that, including 10's, had a circular yoke cavity. The old yoke design wasn't a problem on stage 7/8 and before because of the kingpin/bushing height ratio, you still got deep turns (with crap grind clearance). When they combined the old yoke with the demand for more kingpin/grind clearance you got the stage 10, which turned like ass (and I think they were trying to keep up with Theeve, who were poaching a shit ton of riders at the time).
Ace and Thunder still do a circular yoke. Indy, Theeve, Venture, and Krux have oval yokes (although they're all shaped a little differently).
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^^ Awesome post.
Yoke-wise, top down, look at every truck out there, now go look at Indy (the re-designed Thunders bloated out a bit here as well). My guess is to get that trim web, they boost around the yoke instead (and why ACE keep bending, and Theeve bolstered their web but kept the trim yoke). Tensor Alloys flair a bit like Indy but keep it tight and ATG have a pretty big yoke but really thin. I wonder how much of 'did they break? no, sweet, keep it' thought goes into yoke design :)
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Aah. I know what you guys are talking about now. For a sec I thought you meant something hidden by the bushings. Or maybe a dimension change to the yoke's offset.
I can remember bite marks on stage 7 and/or 8 yokes from the top washers. I'd still got wheelbite and never broke a kingpin so I just thought it was odd, not really an issue/problem. Now I wonder if grinding out those spots with a dremel would give more lean, probably need risers though.
Yeah. It did seem like it took the newer companies doing well for Indy to finally make drastic changes to the hangers. And do forged, Ti, etc
I have trouble with the square yoke shape on Thunders. Just looks weird to me. And too small.
Ya. I wonder how much is tested with FEA and if changes are solely based on those needs or "does it look good/cool" come into play?
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^^ Awesome post.
Yoke-wise, top down, look at every truck out there, now go look at Indy (the re-designed Thunders bloated out a bit here as well). My guess is to get that trim web, they boost around the yoke instead (and why ACE keep bending, and Theeve bolstered their web but kept the trim yoke). Tensor Alloys flair a bit like Indy but keep it tight and ATG have a pretty big yoke but really thin. I wonder how much of 'did they break? no, sweet, keep it' thought goes into yoke design :)
I think I've harped on this before about Aces, but I'm just solidly convinced the bending is 100% down to the hanger design, specifically the wings. They're the only brand that does the circular rod hanger, and it's such a bad design from a strength standpoint. There's a reason no one's done it since Bennett/Indy Stage IV. When Cab and Mountain redesigned Indy's for Stage V with the weight relieved hanger, the shape itself (if you look at it from a cross section) was also made triangular, which every truck brand adopted since then. Ace hangers are total throwbacks. Even when Theeve did the tihanger, they channeled out the underside. You kill weight and up the strength at the same time.
A basic example is go to a Home Depot, go to the isle with aluminum bar stock. Grab a solid 1/4" round bar, you can fold it in half barehanded. Pick up a piece of u-channel, even if it's only 1/16" thick, it'll be stiff as hell. (**don't actually do this**)
So, they can keep adding thickness to the hanger, but if they keep it round and lacking any sort of channelling it's diminishing returns and increased weight.
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If any of you wishing that your thunders are higher, just take out the stock bottom bushings on those thunders in put aftermarket connical bushing from independent.
If you want to make it exactly indy standards high, add another small washer in the bottom washer in addition to the indy connical bushings.
Not trying to be a dick, but none of that washes. Thunder bottom bushings are taller than Indy's. So your first piece of advice, it's just going to make the Thunder sit lower. Adding a washer under an Indy bushing would make it... normal Thunder height. If you want taller Thunders, use a riser.
I dunno what at to tell you, my stock thunder team 148 bottom bushings are shorter then my aftermarket indy connical bushings. Anyone wanna chime in go ahead but I will double check just too make sure.
Indy aftermarket on the left, standard Thunder high on the right,
(https://i.imgur.com/FPPpE8l.png)
are the aftermarket cylinder bushings also shorter than stock? im trying to get something close to the height of the ace classic deckside bushings
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are the aftermarket cylinder bushings also shorter than stock? im trying to get something close to the height of the ace classic deckside bushings
I'll snap some pics for you when I'm back home. If there is a difference it will be really minimal.
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so uh wat trucks should i buy
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so uh wat trucks should i buy
kreepers
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are the aftermarket cylinder bushings also shorter than stock? im trying to get something close to the height of the ace classic deckside bushings
Aftermarket cylinder next to the aftermarket conical, if there's a difference in height I'd say it's close to negligible.
(https://i.imgur.com/9VRdR4G.jpg)
Indy cylinder next to an Ace. Ace is a mm or so taller. A thicker washer in this case would compensate.
(https://i.imgur.com/bue6xHe.jpg)
Here's an Ace next to a stock Thunder, you can see here the Ace is right in between the Thunder and an aftermarket Indy,
(https://i.imgur.com/legI7XK.jpg)
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are the aftermarket cylinder bushings also shorter than stock? im trying to get something close to the height of the ace classic deckside bushings
Aftermarket cylinder next to the aftermarket conical, if there's a difference in height I'd say it's close to negligible.
(https://i.imgur.com/9VRdR4G.jpg)
Indy cylinder next to an Ace. Ace is a mm or so taller. A thicker washer in this case would compensate.
(https://i.imgur.com/bue6xHe.jpg)
Here's an Ace next to a stock Thunder, you can see here the Ace is right in between the Thunder and an aftermarket Indy,
(https://i.imgur.com/legI7XK.jpg)
thanks your help. i owe you a gnar when i can give em
is thunder the tallest bottom bushing on the market? my problem would be solved if they made a barrel in the same height. never owned a pair but the thunder supercush look shorter than their stock bottoms.
i recently put the ace bottom with a stock thunder top on my thunders and it is working perfectly when tightened flush. the ace bushing with the washer seems like it is squished and doesnt fit the trucks geo but its working magic. this setup is giving me the best stability ive ever had not only for landing but setting up tricks. its still a broken in 86a and will turn when i want it to but wont wobble during trick setup which i struggled with. the 90a thunder top with a bones washer is firm but gives me the full range of turn to wheelbite if i get careless.
my theory is that the ace barrel bushing is hard when squished up but since its 86a, it has to give in and flex when my body wants to turn. i couldnt replicate this feeling when replacing it with a shorter and harder barrel bushing. the set up stability was mushy and wobbly on a venture 90a barrel. it really is a strange thing that shouldnt work as described. could you explain it?
at the moment im looking for tall and soft bottom bushings cause knowing ace quality control, this magic might not last me long. all i know is ML bottoms are basically ace height. those pictures ruled out indy aftermarket. is supercush ace height?
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thanks your help. i owe you a gnar when i can give em
is thunder the tallest bottom bushing on the market? my problem would be solved if they made a barrel in the same height. never owned a pair but the thunder supercush look shorter than their stock bottoms.
i recently put the ace bottom with a stock thunder top on my thunders and it is working perfectly when tightened flush. the ace bushing with the washer seems like it is squished and doesnt fit the trucks geo but its working magic. this setup is giving me the best stability ive ever had not only for landing but setting up tricks. its still a broken in 86a and will turn when i want it to but wont wobble during trick setup which i struggled with. the 90a thunder top with a bones washer is firm but gives me the full range of turn to wheelbite if i get careless.
my theory is that the ace barrel bushing is hard when squished up but since its 86a, it has to give in and flex when my body wants to turn. i couldnt replicate this feeling when replacing it with a shorter and harder barrel bushing. the set up stability was mushy and wobbly on a venture 90a barrel. it really is a strange thing that shouldnt work as described. could you explain it?
at the moment im looking for tall and soft bottom bushings cause knowing ace quality control, this magic might not last me long. all i know is ML bottoms are basically ace height. those pictures ruled out indy aftermarket. is supercush ace height?
No problem. The 'Thunder' supercush as they're labelled at places like Tactics is actually wrong, they're DLX's bushings made for Ventures (which also fit Indy's). So yes, shorter than the Thunders by a good amount. The only aftermarket bushings that fit Thunders are the Thunder branded ones. No barrels (unless you get into the longboarder stuff, but I'm completely ignorant on that front, some other dudes here have experimented with them).
In terms of skate trucks, I'm fairly positive Thunder have the tallest bottom bushings. I only rode Thunders for maybe... two weeks, but after a a few days I threw on an Ace bottom as well to help with the wheelbite and make the turn a little less sketch. I think you'll be fine running the Ace bottom's on there, the height difference isn't enough to hurt the truck. Plus, the mixed duro is pretty close to Aces, you could even throw a Thunder 94 top bushing on there for quicker snap back (but then you're in deep frankenbushing territory).
As for why the Venture bottom barrel was acting weird, I'd have to say the height would probably be screwing it up. If you go back to the first page where I posted the pic of the Indy vs Thunder bushing the height difference is considerable (Indy and Ventures having the same size bottom bushings). When the geometry is off that much the yoke of the hanger won't seat correctly against the bushing, one side will make too much contact, the other side not enough, instant wobble because only half the bushing is interacting the way it should. Maintaining the proper bottom bushing height is important, the top bushing is where you can fuck around without too much consequence.
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so uh wat trucks should i buy
kreepers
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thanks your help. i owe you a gnar when i can give em
is thunder the tallest bottom bushing on the market? my problem would be solved if they made a barrel in the same height. never owned a pair but the thunder supercush look shorter than their stock bottoms.
i recently put the ace bottom with a stock thunder top on my thunders and it is working perfectly when tightened flush. the ace bushing with the washer seems like it is squished and doesnt fit the trucks geo but its working magic. this setup is giving me the best stability ive ever had not only for landing but setting up tricks. its still a broken in 86a and will turn when i want it to but wont wobble during trick setup which i struggled with. the 90a thunder top with a bones washer is firm but gives me the full range of turn to wheelbite if i get careless.
my theory is that the ace barrel bushing is hard when squished up but since its 86a, it has to give in and flex when my body wants to turn. i couldnt replicate this feeling when replacing it with a shorter and harder barrel bushing. the set up stability was mushy and wobbly on a venture 90a barrel. it really is a strange thing that shouldnt work as described. could you explain it?
at the moment im looking for tall and soft bottom bushings cause knowing ace quality control, this magic might not last me long. all i know is ML bottoms are basically ace height. those pictures ruled out indy aftermarket. is supercush ace height?
No problem. The 'Thunder' supercush as they're labelled at places like Tactics is actually wrong, they're DLX's bushings made for Ventures (which also fit Indy's). So yes, shorter than the Thunders by a good amount. The only aftermarket bushings that fit Thunders are the Thunder branded ones. No barrels (unless you get into the longboarder stuff, but I'm completely ignorant on that front, some other dudes here have experimented with them).
In terms of skate trucks, I'm fairly positive Thunder have the tallest bottom bushings. I only rode Thunders for maybe... two weeks, but after a a few days I threw on an Ace bottom as well to help with the wheelbite and make the turn a little less sketch. I think you'll be fine running the Ace bottom's on there, the height difference isn't enough to hurt the truck. Plus, the mixed duro is pretty close to Aces, you could even throw a Thunder 94 top bushing on there for quicker snap back (but then you're in deep frankenbushing territory).
As for why the Venture bottom barrel was acting weird, I'd have to say the height would probably be screwing it up. If you go back to the first page where I posted the pic of the Indy vs Thunder bushing the height difference is considerable (Indy and Ventures having the same size bottom bushings). When the geometry is off that much the yoke of the hanger won't seat correctly against the bushing, one side will make too much contact, the other side not enough, instant wobble because only half the bushing is interacting the way it should. Maintaining the proper bottom bushing height is important, the top bushing is where you can fuck around without too much consequence.
yeah man i jumped two feet in the shit. sticking with these 151s and of course i had to mess with the last truck variables i could lol.
with the ace bottom bushing handling all the stability issues im highly tempted to get softer top bushings and loosen up the turn. the 90a top bushings are broken in, arent squishing out, and snap back well at flush tightness so i might drop duros there. i have a feeling the indy 88a top isnt soft enough to notice a much difference but they might last me longer than the thunders i have. the 78a indy top will be for shits and giggles but i might actually like em. as long as i can keep the deadzone when setting up, im happy.
messing with trucks was stressful as fuck. its really addicting due to frequenting truck threads and not knowing what i liked or was looking for. paid way too much in a short period of time to only really love one truck and i have only successfully sold 1 pair. gonna inquire about tensors and then im putting the needle down for good, barring a shock 151 titanium release ;D
bushing madness on the other hand is fun as fuck. at $3-$10 a pop, i can change a couple characteristics without have to buy a whole new chunk of metal. thanks for you insight its always much appreciated here
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Venom makes the closest to thunder bottom height but it's taller. Thunder s are the tallest bottom out...tho the stock Theeve hardcores are pretty damn close when new (thunder bottoms, like the rest, will squash down a bit.
Best to leave the thunder bottom stock or after market and mess with tops (low tops in Thunder for me, do I can get that nut on and have it still be loose).
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Indy dont make a 66. Ace 66s are nice af. Other then that indys fine, who cares.
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Indy dont make a 66. Ace 66s are nice af. Other then that indys fine, who cares.
I'd assume people in the 350+ pages of truck threads.
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none of us just went and bought a caliper so we could actually measure bushing height
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none of us just went and bought a caliper so we could actually measure bushing height
I've got calipers but no access to stock bushings from all the big brands..
They're all gonna me pretty close. But yeah, some are ~1mm different in height.
And most aren't square so one side is thicker than the other. You put the high side in the center? If not it's gonna make the feel different left-to-right.
And wanna hear a mind fuck? They all could potentially have different compressed heights when you step on your board. And that'd make for a tiny geo change. Just messing with you guys and hoping to add to the madness..
https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=Caliper
Pretty cheap..
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If you pull a stock, unused bushing out of new trucks it's already been compressed for months.
It's shorter than it used to be so you can't directly compare its height to a new aftermarket bushing.
Ya, just a tiny change in height..
And it'll have a height difference where it bulges into the yoke. I'd ignore that lump when taking measurements.
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none of us just went and bought a caliper so we could actually measure bushing height
Working on it.