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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: TheFarter248 on June 11, 2020, 02:35:09 PM
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First things first, Rodney is an amazing skater and without a doubt, a pioneer. With that said, I keep hearing that he's The Godfather of Street, and I'm here to tell you, that it's total bullshit.
Yes, Mullen supposedly invented the flatground ollie, but let's be clear, he did not invent the ollie itself. Anyone watching footage of Gelfand's ollie on vert know the mechanics are there, and they understand that Rodney (and maybe others before him) copied Alan.
In the 80s, few street skaters paid attention to freestyle. Example - I read an interview w/Gonz (and others) who said Hosoi did the first ollie he saw. How can Rodney be so influential if other PRO SKATERS witnessed something completely different?
I also feel a big part of skateboarding is conquering your fear, and I've never seen a scary Mullen trick. Insanely, beautifully technical, definitely. But never scary.
There is some serious historical revisionism going on these days. From someone who was there, I can tell you: Rodney basically invented ledge dancing. He didn't invent street skating as we know it. That honor goes to a combination of skaters, eg Natas, Gonz, Christian, etc. I'd rate Matt Hensley as more influential to be perfectly honest.
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you probably think chuck Berry invented rock n' roll, when really it was Marty Mcfly.
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It was Bill and Ted dude
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Tony honk invented modern rollerbording
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Your opinion has been noted, recorded, and reported to proper authorities. 😉
Thank you for informing SLAP of your views.
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you probably think chuck Berry invented rock n' roll, when really it was Marty Mcfly.
Wait a minute, wasn't marty mcfly skating street in the 50s??
Fuck.
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Ok
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You're a fucking idiot, but at least this isn't another "gotcha!" racism thread.
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Your personal preferences have no bearing on skate history and relevance
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
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You're a fucking idiot, but at least this isn't another "gotcha!" racism thread.
You already lost the argument by insulting me.
I agree with the second part though.
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Even your version of skate history when it comes to inventing tricks is probably manufactured under many aspects. People have always ripped and the first person known for a trick usually means the first sponsored skateboarder with the right connections to do one in a popular video. For one dude who's renowned for inventing a trick, there's probably 50 randoms from all over who were also doing it around the same time, if not way earlier and unless you go super local you'll never hear of them.
Also people are calling you names because the lesson you dropped is common knowledge and this is SLAP so folks will be caustic about it.
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
an anecdote from one guy? you said there were others, but named none
Mullen and freestyle skating being an acquired taste for some is nothing new, but doesn’t erase Rodney’s legacy
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I had a shredded chicken bbq sandwich for lunch. 2 in fact.
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Jeff Grosso (RIP) had a similar opinion, I'd take his word over yours.
Rodney is not the Godfather. Rodney was doing freestyle in full fucking pads while Natas was 50-50 huge rails.
Rodney didn't even skate street until the early 90s.
You're being vague. I'm citing specific examples.
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Even your version of skate history when it comes to inventing tricks is probably manufactured under many aspects. People have always ripped and the first person known for a trick usually means the first sponsored skateboarder with the right connections to do one in a popular video. For one dude who's renowned for inventing a trick, there's probably 50 randoms from all over who were also doing it around the same time, if not way earlier and unless you go super local you'll never hear of them.
Also people are calling you names because the lesson you dropped is common knowledge and this is SLAP so folks will be caustic about it.
I agree with this more than any response so far. But I feel my perception is closer to reality than others would like to believe
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That's because it's indeed closer to reality than the fantasy of Mullen having literally invented everything, but again most everyone on here knows that and knows who Gonz, Natas and Hensley are. If anything nowadays, kids might be clueless about who Mullen is and his contribution to skateboarding than ever as they consume their Insta feed more than they do research on history (but at the same time IG is also a cool place to find and watch old stuff). Maybe you're just used to hanging out with a crew who's been living in a cave since the THPS days - I feel like your thread would have been valid in 2004.
The Godfather of Skateboarding thing you have to see as some kind of honorary title (it's not like one can deny Mullen's contribution altogether either), or maybe you just caught some YouTube clickbait title shit. I've seen different people called that before too, including the Gonz.
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
Old enough to have had a subscription to Action Now & a Sims Mike Folmer pro model, so I can relate. But, for clarification, WHO is calling Rodney the goshfather of street skating? Is their’s an opinion of note? Should we care about this opinion?
Speaking of opinions, your “history” was a combo of established fact & opinion.
You may not be wrong, but you also may find yourself before an audience that, at the moment, cares less about historical accuracies than they do about torching the villages of the perpetrators of social injustice.
Come back in a month, maybe?
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That's because it's indeed closer to the truth that the fantasy of Mullen having literally invented everything, but again most everyone on here knows that and know who Gonz, Natas and Hensley are. If anything nowadays, kids might be clueless about who Mullen is and his contribution to skateboarding than ever as they consume their Insta feed more than they do research on history (but at the same time IG is also a cool place to find and watch old stuff). Maybe you're just used to hanging out with a crew who's been living in a cave since the THPS days - I feel like your thread would have been valid in 2004.
The Godfather of Skateboarding thing you have to see as some kind of honorary title, or maybe you just caught some YouTube clickbait shit. I've seen different people called that before too including the Gonz.
Thank you. I thought I was hallucinating.
I'm certain my skate friends would all agree, those that still skated, anyway. I'm probably the only one left (mid 40s - old af)
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
Speaking of opinions, your “history” was a combo of established fact & opinion.
You may not be wrong, but you also may find yourself before an audience that, at the moment, cares less about historical accuracies than they do about torching the villages of the perpetrators of social injustice.
Come back in a month, maybe?
Google "Mullen Godfather of Street" FFS. Are you that lazy?
I don't think I said anything that was factually wrong. You're coming out all strong against me but you can't even rebut a single thing I said, other than to say "part of what you said is wrong."
Also, you're deflecting. I won't fall for it.
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It was Bill and Ted dude
Bill Tocco and Ted Shred
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Jeff Grosso (RIP) had a similar opinion, I'd take his word over yours.
Rodney is not the Godfather. Rodney was doing freestyle in full fucking pads while Natas was 50-50 huge rails.
Rodney didn't even skate street until the early 90s.
You're being vague. I'm citing specific examples.
I was going to post something about Grosso. I think he was basically ready to say there’s some bullshit fake self promotion in a lot of this ie “freestyle conspiracy” rip
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he has the secret to skateboarding and he gave it to antwuan and we see how insanely talented he is. maybe he is the godfather of street skating. he’s good by me.
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dude could spin a long ass time tho and up one the one wheel so sick
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I had a shredded chicken bbq sandwich for lunch. 2 in fact.
So did I. Both. Made Hawaiin sauce with pineapple and put breasts in Crock-Pot on low for 6 hours. Hope yours were good too.
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I've never seen a scary Mullen trick. Insanely, beautifully technical, definitely. But never scary.
I think I’d be too poosey to front crook a picnic table, so he’s got me there.
But I’d say that even if Rodney’s style of skating isn’t your cup of tea, you’d have to be a bit of a dumb dumb not to respect what he did in skateboarding.
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To be fair he wasn’t the first train racer.
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I also feel a big part of skateboarding is conquering your fear, and I've never seen a scary Mullen trick. Insanely, beautifully technical, definitely. But never scary.
From someone who was there, I can tell you: Rodney basically invented ledge dancing. He didn't invent street skating as we know it.
Skating is about having fun on a skateboard...
I've never heard of him referred to him as "the godfather of street skateboarding," just a person credited with inventing a bunch of tricks...
From everything I've come across, he didn't even want to be a "street skater" and it was Ternasky that put 2 & 2 together and convinced Mullen to do a "street part."
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I also feel a big part of skateboarding is conquering your fear, and I've never seen a scary Mullen trick. Insanely, beautifully technical, definitely. But never scary.
Thanks for reminding me that skateboarding should be scary!
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Well, this thread is dumb.
But, if we are talking about Mullen, I saw him skate a treadmill at ASR.
Dwindle was having some sort of contest on it, I think. I can't remember what the hell was going on. My ankle was broken at the time so I just lurked and the memory is a weird blur.
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I was hoping this was going to be linked to some kind of cultoftom insta page
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Jeff Grosso (RIP) had a similar opinion, I'd take his word over yours.
Rodney is not the Godfather. Rodney was doing freestyle in full fucking pads while Natas was 50-50 huge rails.
Rodney didn't even skate street until the early 90s.
You're being vague. I'm citing specific examples.
I was going to post something about Grosso. I think he was basically ready to say there’s some bullshit fake self promotion in a lot of this ie “freestyle conspiracy” rip
Not a "conspiracy" but Rodney was part owner of World, who undoubtedly started the street trend in the early 90's (awesome fucking videos). All the young kids on World (Daewon Song, Kareem Kambell , et. al.) adopted Rodney's style. The "godfather of street" title was a marketing ploy by World.
Rodney's style WAS NOT what Gonz and Natas did. Rod was a great influence on the"new school." but he's hardly the "godfather of street," more like the godfather of freestyle. And that's OK too.
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Rodney spent hours alone on a concrete slab in Florida figuring out what is possible on a skateboard. He's not an artist as Gonz and Natas are, but he created the paint they use.
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
Speaking of opinions, your “history” was a combo of established fact & opinion.
You may not be wrong, but you also may find yourself before an audience that, at the moment, cares less about historical accuracies than they do about torching the villages of the perpetrators of social injustice.
Come back in a month, maybe?
Google "Mullen Godfather of Street" FFS. Are you that lazy?
I don't think I said anything that was factually wrong. You're coming out all strong against me but you can't even rebut a single thing I said, other than to say "part of what you said is wrong."
Also, you're deflecting. I won't fall for it.
Oh. So there was a YouTube video, eh?
Seems legit.
I was actually on your side, just pointing out a few observations, but now that I’ve seen a YouTube video, my mind is made up for me.
Seriously though, while I agree with your statement about Hensley’s influence, the world first met him in what... ‘87, when Shackle Me Not came out? So people had already been hitting streets on film for better than 5 years. It’s an opinion that he was more influential. I happen to agree with that, but it’s still an opinion.
For a “person of a certain age” you’re getting your feelers rumpled like a ‘tween.
Relax homey, anybody who knows what’s what, knows what’s up.
Now... we good, or what?!?
Edit: Also, what? No Tommy Guerrero? Presuming this was a minor oversight.
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I had a shredded chicken bbq sandwich for lunch. 2 in fact.
So did I. Both. Made Hawaiin sauce with pineapple and put breasts in Crock-Pot on low for 6 hours. Hope yours were good too.
Off topic but I’ve been making Mac salad with finely diced red,orange and jalapeño peppers, carrots,celery, hard boiled eggs, rice wine vinegar , fresh dill and sugar to taste. Salt and pepper of course
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I had a shredded chicken bbq sandwich for lunch. 2 in fact.
So did I. Both. Made Hawaiin sauce with pineapple and put breasts in Crock-Pot on low for 6 hours. Hope yours were good too.
Both those sound good.
I just scored a 10 from the fam w/ a chicken salad w/ green o’s, finely chopped cornichon pix & pepperoncinis, stone ground mustard, mayonaise, yogurt (so you don’t have to use sooo much mayo), smoked paprika, salt, fresh ground black pepper, & a driz of balsamic reduction for some zip.
Mixity-mix-mix, served over fresh lettuce from the garden. Even the 3 year old scarfed it down.
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At least we can all agree that Bobby Puleo invented street skateboarding
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I have heard that label and agree that it is incorrect, however, Rodney never claimed it himself. I do think that he is more venerated by younger generations than his own, mostly because he has been a major player in the industry and doesn't let anyone forget his contributions (see the ad "The House that Rodney Built" or the Bones Brigade documentary).
I think people also miss the point of Grosso's "Freestyle Conspiracy" love letter. The premise is that street skating is an adaptation, after the demise of '70s skateparks, that takes from other disciplines rather than a direct offshoot of freestyle. And even if you did invent everything, don't say things like, "In a very meaningful way I have helped create a vocabulary by which this community communicates. . . I think that I am so rich and what I have done has meaning."
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I started skating in 86 and mullen was transending freestyle and being revered by all years b4 world indústrias. Your the one trying to rewrite histiory. Grosso was in some cool guy bubble. He ripped tho. That last part he out out.
Edit does anyone remember his heli pop sequence in Thrasher? Só sick. All those full page ads doing nose bonés?
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Can we just appreciate this nose manual nollie flip to nose manual he did in Globe Opinion. Also, his ender manual combo is great.
Linked to trick: http://youtu.be/Jw6yJjA5Teg?t=315
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All of this back and forth and not one mention of Doug "Pineapple" Saladino wtf you goddamn people are hopeless.
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
Speaking of opinions, your “history” was a combo of established fact & opinion.
You may not be wrong, but you also may find yourself before an audience that, at the moment, cares less about historical accuracies than they do about torching the villages of the perpetrators of social injustice.
Come back in a month, maybe?
Google "Mullen Godfather of Street" FFS. Are you that lazy?
I don't think I said anything that was factually wrong. You're coming out all strong against me but you can't even rebut a single thing I said, other than to say "part of what you said is wrong."
Also, you're deflecting. I won't fall for it.
that's from ted, anyone who skates knows rodney's contributions and ranks him accordingly to whatever type of skateboarding they prescribe to, you seem to be triggered by some youtube video titles and non-skateboarding blogs
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I usually frown upon Cults of any sort. I make an exception for mushroom cults. Do you think Rodney was a tripper? He kinda acts like he is.
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Have you heard of this Brazilian skater Harry Jumonji?
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Rodney spent hours alone on a concrete slab in Florida figuring out what is possible on a skateboard. He's not an artist as Gonz and Natas are, but he created the paint they use.
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Rodney should've innovated himself a less awkward style.
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Imagine how well off Rodney would be if he put that kind of effort and time into something more marketable that skateboarding (computer programming, chemistry, medicine etc).
The dude would probably have hundreds of millions of dollars instead of the measley tens of millions of dollars he has currently from creating the modernized/sustainable version of what we do.
Ya what a kook...
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All of this back and forth and not one mention of Doug "Pineapple" Saladino wtf you goddamn people are hopeless.
I want this engraved on my tombstone
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Rodney should've innovated himself a less awkward style.
I'll disagree.
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^ Yeah homie's got his history backwards. When Mullen was learning all those flip tricks during his freestyle to street transition, the street pros actually cruising around with smooth style and popping stuff like Donger had become an exception and not the norm. 1990-1992, most every street pro was mostly focused on performance (even the ones who naturally had good style on it, and there were lots of them, Jovontae, Ocean, etc.) and experimenting with the new tech, laying down the modern basics and had that somewhat stiff and linear, trick-based style that had to be the embryo of what the next generations would later mix with the idea of versatility and grace again. Switch flips just weren't going to be invented over benches mid-line from the get-go.
At least we can all agree that Bobby Puleo invented street skateboarding the Kinks
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Mullen did invent a lot of stuff then Natas and Gonz took it to the streets moving and not basically stationary. There are clips of Mullen doing double flips and impossibles in 82. Just a little ahead of the curve.
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Actually, I just dropped some history on your fucking head. Your response was...what now?
Speaking of opinions, your “history” was a combo of established fact & opinion.
You may not be wrong, but you also may find yourself before an audience that, at the moment, cares less about historical accuracies than they do about torching the villages of the perpetrators of social injustice.
Come back in a month, maybe?
Google "Mullen Godfather of Street" FFS. Are you that lazy?
I don't think I said anything that was factually wrong. You're coming out all strong against me but you can't even rebut a single thing I said, other than to say "part of what you said is wrong."
Also, you're deflecting. I won't fall for it.
You are quoting wikipedia. Which is quoting Tony Hawk's pro skater.....the video game. That actually says this “Godfather of modern street skating”.
So, Tony Hawk presumably signed off on those words?
Street skating didn't start with kickflips. Nor ollies. Street skating existed before the ollie. Its pretty simple. "Street Skating" as we now see in pulverized into our eyes would have had a longer more drawn out journey to get where we're at today without Mullen.
He saw a fellow Floridian ollie on Vert...took it to flat. Then invents ollie kickflips soon after. Ollie flip tricks were seen by Natas and Gonz and taken to "street" boards and thus "street skating"
Mullen deserves credit. Its not that hard to see and its not even a big fucking deal.
Also combo tricks were happening wwwwwaaaaaaay before Mullen switches up to a "street" board and starts skating ledges. He doesn't skate one ledge in Rubbish Heap.
Armando Barajas. Look into him. And just look into skating more because your overview of it lacks a clear understanding of things.
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Rodney should've innovated himself a less awkward style.
It wouldn't be the first time someone has. Obviously I don't think the guy is bad at skateboarding or anything like that. I just think he has an ugly style. He skates like he's never just skated down the street before.
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Feel better now?
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Rodney should've innovated himself a less awkward style.
It wouldn't be the first time someone has. Obviously I don't think the guy is bad at skateboarding or anything like that. I just think he has an ugly style. He skates like he's never just skated down the street before.
Dude looks like a velociraptor that figured out how to flip into and out of manuals and is extremely bummed about it for some reason.
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He invented all the flips tricks on flat ground but that is not street skateboarding. Who was doing gaps, ledges, manuals, stairs, hubbas, handrails in the streets first? Not Mull en
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Rodney Mullen had his time now he's just ruining skateboarding games cus he has nothing else to do so they just motion capture him so all the tricks are fucked looking and wrong
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https://youtu.be/ZJEx3XbR6q0
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