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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: OldCandy on July 15, 2020, 08:00:08 AM
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I hear a lot about people riding different trucks and having varying levels of loyalty to a certain brand/model. What are the REAL glaring differences between major/minor truck brands? ie: turning, board feel, grind, pinching, speed, and geometry, etc
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Indy:
Pros
- Awesome turn and carve
- Lasts a long time regarding grinding
- Smooth grind
Cons
- It can feel heavy at times
- Pop feel can feel slow and soggy sometimes, especially with worn in decks
- Sometimes feels too tall
Venture Hi:
Pros
- Stability
- Can make board pop feel strong, no matter the condition of the board
- Harder grind can make it feel you're more in control while grinding
- Lightweight
- Great kingpin clearance
Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
- Not the best turn/carve
- Doesn't last long regarding grinds. I hit axle on both hangers within 3-4 weeks of doing slappies.
- Lower height means you can't use bigger wheels
Ace:
Pros
- Feels carvy but stable at the same time
- Very smooth grind
- Light pop feel for anyone that likes that
- Sexy old school design
Cons
- Axle bend
- Sometimes grind feels too smooth and you lose control
- Bushings are a bitch to break in, you're forced to keep them tight until they break in
- Bushings feel kinda hard to turn if you're on the lighter side
- Ace brand aftermarket bushings are the only safe options. Bones bushings will explode if you use them and do hard grinds.
- Smaller wheelbase and lower height makes board pop feel very light, especially on worn in boards.
I haven't rode Thunders in a few years, but those are going to be my next truck after my Ventures are through.
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Agree with above and would like to add:
Thunder
Pros:
-Fast response
-Light
Cons:
-Bad kingpin clearance
-More likely to wheelbite
-Occasionally feel too low
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Thunders are definitely on the light side and I dig the turn big time, feels surfy, to me. Cons include the baseplate/ nose/tailslide thing and a Lil wheelbite.
Ventures pop good but I agree the turn could be better. But keep it a bean bro, slappies eat trucks.
Indys- were always too heavy so I never used em.
Phantom 2s were my shit in middle school.... I think they were lighter?
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Indy 149
Pro:
- Feels stable
- Height/pop feel are comfortable for me
Con:
- Stock bushings are garbage and disintegrate instantly (heard that they fixed this when they moved to China, but I wouldn't know for sure)
- Feels very heavy - not sure if this is a design flaw, or if 149's are just too big for me
- Turn is a little too deep/surfy to me - I'm too heavy and I don't like my trucks as loose as Indy's were designed to be ridden
- The general vibe of the company - I didn't hate the trucks, but the company/logo/branding aren't for me
Thunder 147 Hollow Light
Pro:
- Very lightweight
- Turn feels comfortable/responsive on slight adjustments
Con:
- Feels too light - I found my board hard to control on these
- Baseplate too far in for nose/tail slides
- Bottom out on deeper turns
- Too low - lots of wheelbite, and I lost the microscopic amount of pop that I have left. I tried them with risers, but they just never felt right.
Venture hi 5.2
Pro:
- Wheelbase extension - I like smaller boards, but the WB's are consistently too short on them
- Turning radius hits a sweet spot between Indy (too deep) and Thunder (not deep enough)
- Height is perfect - pop is where I want it to be, and wheelbite isn't an issue
Con:
- Too small of a truck for me - I determined that I like Ventures, but 8" axles are too small, and I wanted to try skating bigger boards
Venture hi 5.6
- See points above for Venture 5.2, but take away the con of the size - 8.25" axle width is the perfect size for me. I was skating 8" boards on 5.2's, and now I'm skating an 8.18" on 5.6's - I like my trucks being just slightly wider than my board, but never tried it on 8" trucks because it would have felt like a child's board
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I'd add that I think Thunders grind smoother than Indys
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I'd add that I think Thunders grind smoother than Indys
No way. Trucks with a barrel shaped hanger (Indy/Ace) grind smoother than those without (Thunder/Venture).
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Indy:
Pros
- Mellow carve
- Grind great
- Great all-terrain truck
- Stock bushing were trash, new stocks seem better
- Ti [forged] Indys are very light
- durable
- offers high, mids (soon another mid) and lows and a good amount of hollow options
Average:
- Stability
- Kingpin clearance
Cons
- Standard and hollows are heavy
- Standards are too tall and can feel tippy for some
- pivot cups are trash
Tensor ATG Mag Lights:
Pros
- Lightest of the light
- Grind the fastest/best of any truck (at the cost of wearing down faster)
- Turn great once you sort the bushings (Bones get these trucks singing)
- Great All-Terrain (ATG) truck
- Nice pivot cups
- Quality bushings
Cons
- Stock molded bushings are too hard feeling (tho 90a) and restrict the turn (but snap to center)
- Cost
- Feels sort of tippy at 55mm (Personal preference as I like lower trucks)
- Unique pivot cup sizing
- Feel a bit weird due to being all magnesium, you'd have to grind/ride them to understand
- They don't make a hollow variant of the aluminium truck
Theeve TiKing:
Pros
- Faster turning 'indy' / more stable 'ACE'
- lots of models to choose from
- Stable
- great pivot cups
- Low (52mm - even tho they state 55mm) truck wide sizes
Cons
- Cost
- Stock 'hardcore' bushings are hard as fuck
- Not really that light of a truck given the Ti Axle
- No forged baseplate option
- No longer make the Ti Kingpin (it was soooo light)
Venture Hi Ti (forged):
Pros
- Stable as fuck
- Great pop
- Mid height
- Lightweight
- Best kingpin clearance
- Offer Hi and Lo, forged and cast
Cons
- Harder grind out of all the brands
- Slow to turn, they lean/swerve more than turn/carve
- Hanger design is trash
- Top washer binds during turn
- Didn't like them in bowls
- A bitch to mount with standard tools
Ace:
Pros
- Best turning truck out there
- Stable on center (amazing given how turny they are)
- Softish metal - grinds great tho
- Excellent stock bushings
- Low truck with wide widths
- Available in 8.38" (for now anyway)
Average
- kingpin clearance
Cons
- Quality Control
- Shit pivot cups
- Heavy =(
Crossing my fingers for the 'forged' stage.
Thunder
Pros
- Lightweight (even the standards) - Hollow lights are some of the lightest trucks out there without the cost of Ti
- Low
- Good grind
- Tons of options, hollow, cast, forged, titanium in just about every configuration you could want (tho not sure if they make a 'Team Light' e.g., solid hanger, cast plate hollow pin.
- Quick turn, not carvey
- Don't work well for me in transition - I get pitched in specific bowl pockets on Thunders (and Ventures) whereas with ACE/Indy/theeve/ML/Tensors, I don't.
Cons
- Prone to wheelbite (even with cast plates)
- poor kingpin clearance
- baseplate is short, could cause issues for some with nose/tail slides (yet pros all do fine...)
- Bottom bushing is a unique height among all trucks and bushings
Min-Logo
Pros
- Turn great (they're like an Indy/ACE turn)
- Stable on center
- Price
- grinds great - really in a class by themselves here (like a harder feeling ACE grind)
- Excellent stock bushings
- Low truck with wide widths
- Light without being hollow/ti anything
- has angled hanger ends to help lock into grinds
- Doesn't wheelbite like you'd think for being so low
- Available in 8.38"
Cons
- Might be too low for people, it's 47.5mm (that's venture lo territory)
- Pretty ugly truck
- Not the best kingpin clearance
- Unique pivot cup sizing
Krux (with DL Kingpin):
Pros
- Cost
- Excellent Stock Bushings
- Decently lightweight
Cons
- Turn isn't for everyone - not really carvey and not really twitchy
- Long odd-sized pivot cups
Looking forward to the next rev of Krux
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Suregrip
Pros:
-They are like 4.5" wide
-Really cute
-Squiggle turns
-Kingpin and axle nuts are standard skate-tool size.
Cons:
-Stock bushings are kinda wack, but there are all sorts of replacements available.
-Non-traditional bolt pattern and thinner hardware required
-Wheels might rub against kingpin area depending on shape/size. Easily fixable with washers or spacers though.
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Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
There are. They just brand them as Deluxe instead of Venture. The 94s are the ones that come stock in ventures.
(https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/skateanddestroy/imgs/6/7/67092f34.jpg)
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Big up mr. Rapedick. Thanks, g.
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Thunder - bushings crumble and break for me
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Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
There are. They just brand them as Deluxe instead of Venture. The 94s are the ones that come stock in ventures.
(https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/skateanddestroy/imgs/6/7/67092f34.jpg)
What shop carries them? Or has them in stock and an online store?
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Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
There are. They just brand them as Deluxe instead of Venture. The 94s are the ones that come stock in ventures.
(https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/skateanddestroy/imgs/6/7/67092f34.jpg)
What shop carries them? Or has them in stock and an online store?
Tactics, SoCal skate, Amazon...
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Mind you I'm a big boy skater (5'11" 240lbs) so experience may differ.
Thunder - I've broken 3 kingpins (they either snap off or detach from the baseplate) otherwise they felt great.
Indy's - last FOREVER but the bushings would always crack on me. They turned well but didn't feel like they excelled in anything particular. Great standard truck.
Krux - probably the best bushings I've ever ridden. They felt broken in right away. The con in my opinion is they lost that magical feeling about a month in an felt generally weak.
Ace - my current favorite. They feel very carvy and the bushings feel great. My only con is the sizing options. They jump from a 8.35" to a 9" but I'm usually riding a 8.75" board. I usually add extra axel washers to even things out.
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Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
There are. They just brand them as Deluxe instead of Venture. The 94s are the ones that come stock in ventures.
(https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/skateanddestroy/imgs/6/7/67092f34.jpg)
Oh shit WHAT
I thought these were just for Thunder. They should really rebrand it as Venture bushings or something.
Big ups
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I've always wondered why thunders wont just make a longer baseplate. Literally like a couple millimeters of extra metal beyond the front bolts and everything would be great
I bet you could diy it.... I might try once my current pair gets really fucked up
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I'm probably echoing above posters here...
Ace
Pros
Best turn. No question. Turns great at slow speeds and seems to stabilize at higher speeds (maybe just my perception). Unmatched on round wall transition.
Best Stock bushings
Tapered hanger, cool feature that means no inside washer necessary.
Best looking truck
Soft metal grinds great on some surfaces.
perfect height
Less wheelbase due to how the truck keep hooking under and turning.
Cons
Soft metal does not grind great on all surfaces.
Least durable trucks. Grind down very fast.
They don't make the size I need (8,75" axle). Too big of a gap between 44s and 55s.
Kingpin wiggle. Doesn't bother me but does make me wonder how much is too much.
Chinese made
Indy
Pros
Amazing history. Cool to nerd out on older stages 8 and before.
Turn good. Good all rounder.
I like the height.
Most durable truck. No question.
Best size range.
Grind great on everything
Cons
Left Ermico for China
Older versions turn better than newer ones
Heavy (not a huge concern for me personally)
Dogshit image.
Stock bushings not as good as they could be.
Thunder
Pros
You can ride wide trucks and they still feel really light, even without forged, hollow, titanium nonsense.
Grind great.
Very quick responsive turn.
Never had speed wobble on Thunders. Stable when you need them to be but still turn fast.
Snappy pop. I find it takes more effort to get a good pop but when you do the response is powerful and I seem to be more glue foot on Thunders.
great stock bushings. White please.
Still mostly made in SF
Cons
Wheel bite. (But I do like the way they turn/destabilize with risers.)
Take longer to break in.
Not as durable as Indy. (More durable than Ace)
The location of the axle can be an issue for some people on nose and tail slides and you're not always sliding on base plate as much.
Turn isn't deep. While quick, it stops before Indy and well before Ace. This can help with stability on flat, hills and halfpipe but its not so good round wall or loose slappy type skateboarding (just a preference)
Good size range. Really want to try some 161s at some point.
Some really bad color ways and graphics...
Long story short when and if Ace come out with their new versions. I will likely commit to their 8.6/8.75" hanger. Until then its 44s, 151s and 55s with the occasional foray into 159s.
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I'd add that I think Thunders grind smoother than Indys
Yeah at first but they all flatten out the same, its not like they keep their shape once you start grinding them
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Ace
Pros:
- Best stock bushings
- No break in at all
- very turny
Cons:
- weird sizing (55s are too small for my boardsize and 66s are pretty big)
- not as smooth grind-feeling as indy
- dont lock into grinds as well
- shorten your wheelbase
- low availability in shops
- not very long lasting
Indy
Pros:
- High availability in shops
- good sizes
- perfect grinding feeling
- last a long time
Cons:
- heavy
- worst stock bushings of all time
- worst pivot cups
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Lots of talk about Indy, Thunder, Ace & Venture. Any word on Theeve Tiax or Destructo?
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Indy 144 Hollows:
Pros - Great turn, New stock bushings are quality, look great, Manual point works perfect for me
Cons - The snap when popping flip tricks is not quite as steep as I like but they do the job well still. Weight is also a good point but I ride hollows which helps that a lot.
Thunder 148 team edition:
Pros - Excellent snappy turn, great pop, great pinch, height and weight are great.
Cons - Wheelbite is my biggest issue with thunders I can't explain it but I get the most on them.
Venture 5.6 HI standard:
Pros - Best kickflips i've ever done were on ventures and the stability is great if you enjoy skating ledges
Cons - If you enjoy surfy sharp turning these are probably lowest on my list in that department
Ace 44:
Pros - Excellent grind, others may have mentioned but the metal feels like it grinds smoother than some of the other trucks on rough ledges, excellent turn while remaining stable when needed.
Cons - Similar to indy the pop feel is not my favorite but they still will get the job done
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Indy
Pros:
Very smooth grind
Nice feeling turn
People complain about the weight but I don’t mind the weight at all, makes your board feel more solid
Cons:
I don’t know if it was just me, but every set I’ve ever had I’ve had to be constantly tinkering with them to get them to feel right, and I’ve had a loooot of sets over the years. Whether it’s the back truck loosening up on me like once a week and constantly having to tighten them back up, or having to switch the pivot cups out cuz they got too blown out too quickly, or having to switch out baseplates cuz the kingpin hole got too stretched out and the kingpin is wiggling, it seems like I always had to tinker with them to get them right, and that became such a pain after a while.
Also, because indys set your wheelbase in more, for certain setups it made your tail feel too light and flimsy, almost like you’re skating on a board with a cracked tail already, making popping tricks and flipping your board more of a pain in the ass.
Ventures
Pros:
Stable as fuck
I’ve had em for a while now and I’ve barely had to tinker with them at all, maybe just a small handful of times; once you got them broken in and set to how you prefer em they’re pretty much good to go.
Because they extend your wheelbase out more it gives the tail a more solid feel, it makes popping the board feel way better and more powerful and it’s better for flip tricks, at least for me
Cons:
Not quite as turny/surfy feeling as Indy, it still turns, but it’s just a different less surfy turn.
Definitely a bit rougher feeling of a grind, so grinding chunkier ledges might take a bit more wax and a few more pushes to do than you would need with indys
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Lots of talk about Indy, Thunder, Ace & Venture. Any word on Theeve Tiax or Destructo?
Theeve TiKing: (just slightly lighter than the TIax)
Pros
- Faster turning 'indy' / more stable 'ACE'
- lots of models to choose from
- Stable
- great pivot cups
- Low (52mm - even tho they state 55mm) truck wide sizes
Cons
- Cost
- Stock 'hardcore' bushings are hard as fuck
- Not really that light of a truck given the Ti Axle
- No forged baseplate option
- No longer make the Ti Kingpin (it was soooo light)
Been back on theeve [of Venture] for a week now and won't be going back to Venture/Thunder for a bit. Riding a 31.5" with a 6.5" tail, so pretty short and stupid mellow kicks (plan B).
I'm enjoying the tighter WB of them on a 14.25" WB, the Ventures just push out too far for me an I can't ride 14" WB it seems (on anything but Primitive decks).
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Oh shit WHAT
I thought these were just for Thunder. They should really rebrand it as Venture bushings or something.
Big ups
Nah the thunder ones are different, they look like this
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1874/5011/products/24-hardware-bushings-square_2000x.jpg?v=1520414225)
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big ups to those supercush (bait and tackle) in venture (6.1 at least). love em
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I'm kinda hooked on tensor mag light coming from Indy forged hollows ..
Cons.. tensor mag light I could be crazy but the stock bushings feel so good one day than others they feel off and I find myself loosening
My trucks a couple times a week at the moment
The hangers wear quick but that's a given they be magnesium
They feel weird at first very hollow feeling I found even more so with shieldless bearings
Pros.. some days they feel so on point for me
obviously weight nice to have a 8.5 truck that is light as ...
You can grind a lot of shit and you can grind very far :P
My axles don't seem to get fucked up like indys do for me haven't need to re-thread
I'm an older dude who is just messing around mainly so I'm not the greatest judge but my 2c
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Indy:
Pros
- Awesome turn and carve great for pools and gaps
- Lasts a long time regarding grinding
- Smooth grind
Cons
- It can feel heavy at times
- Pop feel can feel slow and soggy sometimes, especially with worn in decks
- Sometimes feels too tall
Venture Hi:
Pros
- Stability
- Can make board pop feel strong, no matter the condition of the board
- Harder grind can make it feel you're more in control while grinding
- Lightweight
- Great kingpin clearance
- Great for tight tech gnar wizards manuals and flip in and flip out.
Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
- Not the turn/carve is sketchy
- Doesn't last long regarding grinds. I hit axle on both hangers within 3-4 weeks of doing slappies.
- Lower height means you can't use bigger wheels
- Weak baseplates and hangers broken several pairs
Ace:
Pros
- Feels carvy but stable at the same time
- Very smooth grind
- Light pop feel for anyone that likes that
Cons
- Axle bend
- Sometimes grind feels too smooth and you lose control
- Bushings are a bitch to break in, you're forced to keep them tight until they break in
- Bushings feel kinda hard to turn if you're on the lighter side
- Ace brand aftermarket bushings are the only safe options. Bones bushings will explode if you use them and do hard grinds.
- Smaller wheelbase and lower height makes board pop feel very light, especially on worn in boards.
Thunders
Pros
- Stability great centered feeling on rails and ledges
- Lighter than Indy's
- Turning is a good in between Ace and Indy's
Cons
- Weak kingpins
- Baseplates are kinda fucked
- Slides on ledges are fucked from wheel contact
In summation there's a top tiered list and I can simplify it like this
Venture= tech gnar manuals tight trucks
Thunders/Indy's= great rail chompers and street trucks with a bit of heft on Indy's part.
Ace= I honestly think they were a great surf inspired bowl troll truck but they do make a great street trucks as well apart from the bowing or curvature they have.
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i mostly ride indys and my biggest complaint is that they handle best on a 14.5 wb, but they're too heavy on a 14.5 wb. nobody makes a 31.8" deck with a 14.38" wb either. they also feel kinda tall when you have a narrow setup. i might try out the forged or ti version next time because that would solve both of these issues.
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i mostly ride indys and my biggest complaint is that they handle best on a 14.5 wb, but they're too heavy on a 14.5 wb. nobody makes a 31.8" deck with a 14.38" wb either. they also feel kinda tall when you have a narrow setup. i might try out the forged or ti version next time because that would solve both of these issues.
https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1&SID=1777&M=
^^ lol wtf SIZE 7.75 X 31.75 WB:14.5 - that has to be wrong.
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Once you ride Ace’s every truck has too many cons to deal with. Not that Ace’s shit QC isn’t their biggest con but I can’t escape them. Thought I was a theeve convert for awhile but then was over it.
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Indy
Pro- Turn pretty good.
Con- Slap amateur detectives have concluded that they celebrate the atrocities committed by the Nazi party in the name of the German people in the early and mid 1940’s.
Thunder
Pro- Light, snappy trucks that pinch nice.
Con- The 15 year old that rips at your local park and plans on filming a “street part” one day probably skates Thunders.
Venture
Pro- Classic AWAKE logo shirts are the best shirt you could ever wear.
Con- Those two bolts are always a little bit of a pain in the ass to take on and off. Not the most comfortable mallgrab.
Theeve Titanium Jawns
Pro- Super light, nimble, turns great.
Con- You just spent $250 on trucks you jackass. Sticks on metal.
Royals
Pro- Light enough to easily toss into even the tallest dumpster.
Con- Cheaply made garbage.
Krux
Pro- Have that hole in them so you can practice French kissing.
Con- What do they do with the metal that would have been in place of that hole? Where’s it all at? What are they hiding?
Tensors with the slidey pieces
Pro- They have slidey pieces!
Con- They have slidey pieces.
Ace
Pro- They look cool. They, in turn, make you look cool. People will like you and confide in you easier.
Con- They turn too good. Who needs to turn that much?
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Thunder - bushings crumble and break for me
Yeah that’s a big con. I put orange indy bushings on my 148s.
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Indy cons: too high
Thunder cons: too low
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Royals
Pro- Light enough to easily toss into even the tallest dumpster.
Con- Cheaply made garbage.
Krux
Pro- Have that hole in them so you can practice French kissing.
Con- What do they do with the metal that would have been in place of that hole? Where’s it all at? What are they hiding?
Tensors with the slidey pieces
Pro- They have slidey pieces!
Con- They have slidey pieces.
royals: ;D ;D ;D ;D LMFAOO iI FUCKING CANTTT
krux: I heard from a little birdy that the holes there for opening a beer. Also to probably set themselves apart from other cheap truck companies.
Tensors: what the slide do?
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indy 149 standard
pro-turn and grind
con-too high below 149s
thunder 151 standard
pro-turn and grind
con-bushings
venture 5.8 standard
pro-marketing
con-too beast
ace 44
pro-turn
con-grind
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Indy cons: too high
Thunder cons: too low
Malcom cons: In the middle
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Royals
Pro- Light enough to easily toss into even the tallest dumpster.
Con- Cheaply made garbage.
Krux
Pro- Have that hole in them so you can practice French kissing.
Con- What do they do with the metal that would have been in place of that hole? Where’s it all at? What are they hiding?
Tensors with the slidey pieces
Pro- They have slidey pieces!
Con- They have slidey pieces.
royals: ;D ;D ;D ;D LMFAOO iI FUCKING CANTTT
krux: I heard from a little birdy that the holes there for opening a beer. Also to probably set themselves apart from other cheap truck companies.
Tensors: what the slide do?
They were kind of a gimmicky thing in the early 2000’s. I guess they were supposed to make nose and tailslides easier and slide farther. I never actually tried them but I remember at the time thinking “oh my god this is the future...”
Doing this on mobile so hopefully it shows up a non-obnoxious size, but this is the ad I remember:
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16996306_1259774330724449_8478641874478026194_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=2d5d41&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=F9jU0yLlsVgAX88umhu&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=27d393e794ccf06e9f3b51a2213686a5&oe=5F3AD2CC)
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Sneaky ain’t got no love for Titan TI-lites?
(https://titanskatecom2.ipage.com/store/media/TiLitePoster.jpg)
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Haha I’m sure they’re wonderful trucks. Never tried them sadly.
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Royals
Pro- Light enough to easily toss into even the tallest dumpster.
Con- Cheaply made garbage.
Krux
Pro- Have that hole in them so you can practice French kissing.
Con- What do they do with the metal that would have been in place of that hole? Where’s it all at? What are they hiding?
Tensors with the slidey pieces
Pro- They have slidey pieces!
Con- They have slidey pieces.
royals: ;D ;D ;D ;D LMFAOO iI FUCKING CANTTT
krux: I heard from a little birdy that the holes there for opening a beer. Also to probably set themselves apart from other cheap truck companies.
Tensors: what the slide do?
They were kind of a gimmicky thing in the early 2000’s. I guess they were supposed to make nose and tailslides easier and slide farther. I never actually tried them but I remember at the time thinking “oh my god this is the future...”
Doing this on mobile so hopefully it shows up a non-obnoxious size, but this is the ad I remember:
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/16996306_1259774330724449_8478641874478026194_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=2d5d41&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=F9jU0yLlsVgAX88umhu&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=27d393e794ccf06e9f3b51a2213686a5&oe=5F3AD2CC)
Who thought it would be a good idea to use font size 4 for an ad?
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Royals
Pro- Light enough to easily toss into even the tallest dumpster.
Con- Cheaply made garbage.
Krux
Pro- Have that hole in them so you can practice French kissing.
Con- What do they do with the metal that would have been in place of that hole? Where’s it all at? What are they hiding?
Tensors with the slidey pieces
Pro- They have slidey pieces!
Con- They have slidey pieces.
royals: ;D ;D ;D ;D LMFAOO iI FUCKING CANTTT
krux: I heard from a little birdy that the holes there for opening a beer. Also to probably set themselves apart from other cheap truck companies.
Tensors: what the slide do?
They were kind of a gimmicky thing in the early 2000’s. I guess they were supposed to make nose and tailslides easier and slide farther. I never actually tried them but I remember at the time thinking “oh my god this is the future...”
Doing this on mobile so hopefully it shows up a non-obnoxious size, but this is the ad I remember:
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Who thought it would be a good idea to use font size 4 for an ad?
Holy dog shit!!!!!!!! Tensors are soooooo garbage. That gave me a good laugh or two, I tried them from a homie in Santa Barbara they lasted maybe a week or two and instead of wheelbite sometimes it chunks a ledge or two and pitches your ass forwards.
Interesting story about a set of Royals I had, whenever I did a skate program for my hood.
Went to the local and some kooky swag dog complimented my newish royal trucks They were the Nyjah black Rasta colorway mind you I scored this complete at a pawn shop for $15.
I asked him if he wanted to swap trucks? I looked at his setup and they were some beat Indy hollows so I swapped them out for the Royals I considered it a decent trade even though I personally think they were garbage in the first place.
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Indy cons: too high
Thunder cons: too low
Spacers? Wheels? Forged? Team Baseplate?
Duh
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Here's some ones that don't get mentioned too often that I think are worth throwing in the topic
Theeve 5.85(149) Tiax V3
Pros: -Turning is solid (Similar to indy)
-Great stability(manuals especially stood out)
-Excellent grind
-Good Kingpin clearance
-Pretty Light
-Great amount of baseplate contact for slides
-Very durable
Cons:- Rattley unless the kingpin nut is tightened quite a bit slightly passed the point of being flush with the kingpin(not really a fan of that 'tight' truck look)
-The titanium axle is strong but felt thinner. Wasn't a fan of that slightly less solid feel under my feet
-Takes a little extra time to the grooves going from grinds
Tensor 5.75 ATG Mag Light
Pros: -Best grinding truck I've ever skated(go to for
concrete)
-Great turn(Indy and thunder cross with some
softer/mid soft bushings)
-Very stable
-Great kingpin clearance
-Nice amount baseplate contact for slides
Cons:-Sometimes too light for my liking(had to be extra precise with you weight distribution on board
slides and more light footed with certain tricks especially flip tricks)
-Not the most durable
Destructo D1 squadron 6.0
Pros:- Good turning(reminds of an venture high with
more a little more arc)
- Very stable(felt very confident when popping my nose or tail)
-Insane kingpin clearance(most of any truck I think)
-Smooth grind
Cons:-Bushings were too hard for my liking
-Had to a defective pivot cup that need to be
replaced
- A little too tall for my liking
Ace 66 (V2?)
Pros-Amazing Turn(best carving hands down)
-Excellent grind
-Fair stability(when considering how responsive they
are)
-Nice height
Cons- Pivot cups arent that durable
- Not much kingpin clearance
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Indy - durable but heavy
Tracker - super heavy
Gullwing - plastic baseplate always breaks..
Venture - light and techy. my favorite truck during the small wheels era.
Standard - i forgot why the hell i bought em when they 1st came out
Fury - coz tony hawk & arto saari used to ride them
Orion - also forgot how they ride
Thunder - turns good. the titanium version are nice.
ace - turns super good.love the 55s
tensors - got 1 for free, the expatriate family transferred back to holland. they left a set of completes..chocolate deck with tensor s trucks and chocolate wheels..this was sometime in 2001
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I have ridden nothing but Independent since I started skating. I'm stubborn and loyal
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Those old tensors were so bad. My friend still has a set. After like 20 years of package store runs they still won't turn.
It's like those freestyle trucks that have no kingpin
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When I started skating I didnt know any better and bought a pair of krux. Liked them and got another pair later on. On the third pair the shop didn´t have krux so I got Indys and rode them ever since. Earlier this year I thought I ll try some krux again for nostalgias sake. First session was harsh, but after three sessions I was absolutely used to them. They carve less but give more stability. I kept my old pair of Indys in case I couldn´t deal with the krux at all but didn´t need them. My impression is they are by far not as bad as you all are making them seem. Obviously I can´t speak for other truck brands but if you take a little time you can adapt to everything.
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Stole yourbreakfast's style on this...…..
Indy 126, 129, 139, 149, 159, 169:
Pros
- Best turn
- Grinding feels good
- familiarity after years
- great for mini ramp/ vert / tranny etc
Cons
- feel heavy on flip tricks sometimes / somewhat
- occasional ghost pop / floaty flip tricks (as in, not feeling as "snapped")
- Stage 8 kingpins broke on me 3 times, Stage 9 were the worst
- board always veers to the right on its own (bushings)
Venture Lo 5.0/5.25/ featherlights:
Pros
- Stability
- Decent grind
- Snappy flip tricks
- quick pop response (eh, see above)
- great return to center
Cons
- Not the best turn/carve (but also, I've skated Indys most of my life so it's just different)
- Did not last as long as Indys, as far as grinding and so forth
Thunder Hi 147, Lo 145:
Pros
- Feels carvy but stable at the same time
- Decent grind
- Quick pop flip tricks (this took me a while to get used to after Indys)
- Great return to center
Cons
- Over-carving sometimes on turns made me feel like board was twitchy
- Sorta feel "too light" sometimes (Again, mostly been an Indy rider so yeah)
- Not actually a fan of how the hangars look, not really a con, just my opinion
Trucks I tried for very short periods of time:
Tensor (2003, was fanning out on Mullen at the time) w/ slider plate (Only used for maybe 2 weeks?)
Pros:
- Grind actually pretty decent
- Felt stable on some flip tricks
Cons
- Could not turn. Legit stepped off board trying to carve multiple times
Royal (whatever trucks they had in 99,00. Tried because it was Mariano and Rudy so wanted to support them, 2 weeks max)
Pros
- Light
- Decent pop response
- average turn
Cons
- Felt like cheap quality / soft/ junk to me
- baseplates holes widened within a week
Destructo (also 1999 realm, I wanted to like these but I just did not)
Pros
- Light
- okay turn
- decent grind
Cons
- baseplate holes widened quickly
- just felt... not how I wanted trucks to feel?
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Also I had a friend that I am pretty sure purposely only used trucks that I would not.
Dude had Orions, Titan Ti-Lites, Krux and Monster.
He was so psyched on those Orions (because Kareem was on the team) and kingpin broke on like day #2)
Monster felt like a poor man's Indy when I tried it out.
Oh yeah and he had Furys too.
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Sneaky ain’t got no love for Titan TI-lites?
(https://titanskatecom2.ipage.com/store/media/TiLitePoster.jpg)
My friend had some Titans with ”down-low” kingpin ages ago, he broke both hangers learning kickflips on flat😂😂
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I sold a set of furys in 6th grade to this rich ass goth kid, nice dude ne bought me lunch mad times, but sold him these jawns for like 60 bucks. I kinda wish I stil had em.
My brother recently revealed to me that he likes/ prefers and indeed fucks with krux. I couldn't believe it like didn't fairmans have real trucks? He was like yea so I got the krux. Un fuckin believable. Like there's the big 3, well four now cause of ace, and I would assume that's for good reason.
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I sold a set of furys in 6th grade to this rich ass goth kid, nice dude ne bought me lunch mad times, but sold him these jawns for like 60 bucks. I kinda wish I stil had em.
My brother recently revealed to me that he likes/ prefers and indeed fucks with krux. I couldn't believe it like didn't fairmans have real trucks? He was like yea so I got the krux. Un fuckin believable. Like there's the big 3, well four now cause of ace, and I would assume that's for good reason.
He wouldn’t be my brother anymore.
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I haven’t skated anything but venture in more than 2 years and I never get why everyone says they don’t turn. I can literally turn 90 degrees without lifting. That’s been my experience at least. For me they just feel right and look the best IMO
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starting from worst to best
plastic trucks from my first toy complete which had a licensed caballero graphic
pros:
-they were orange i thought this was cool when i was 5 years old
-they had good sliding ability and flex
cons:
-complete garbage trucks
gullwing
pros:
-they had gangster metallic colors
cons:
-complete garbage trucks that didn't grind or turn
-made a terrible squiggle noise that 12 year old me had no clue how to fix
hurricane
pros:
-pretty light
cons:
-no turn and grinded like shit
monster
pros:
-cool demon eyes on hangar
-trainwreck and i think heath rode for them at the time
cons:
-probably didn't turn. i used to be a kingpin cranker until i skated again after a 3-year hiatus
desctructo
pros:
-all around decent trucks
-a bit lighter than indy but similar hangar look, idc about this but it felt like it
cons:
-not a lively turn, but can be made better with bushings of choice
next one is a tie between all these, they are all good for what they are, i wouldn't say any truck is better
indy
pros:
-classic hanger look
-has a bit of beef on the hanger
-material seems good
-turns smooth, but quick
-lasts long
cons:
-a bit bulky
-noticeably heavier
-bushings break quickly
venture(hi)
pros:
-don't wheelbite as much
-keep tension for tricks like 360 really well, for lack of a better way to explain it
-turn reasonably good(not as good as thunder or indy tho)
-good leverage, makes you pop tricks proper(or make you ghost pop everything in the beginning when you're not used to it)
-feel good when manauling
-lots of metal on hanger
cons:
-not as fun to cruise with, they lack about 5% cruiseability i'd say, as in a little quicker turning
-hanger/mounting hole relations can't really be fixed without changing geo, so no tool fits right
-they grind down much more quickly than indy or thunder, if they had less meat on the hanger this would be a truck you'd need to buy two pairs of each year. i usually rode my indys for 1-2 years depending on what sort of spots i skated at the time. that makes ventures pretty expensive actually.
thunder
pros:
-very agile and reactive, high amount of control
-easy pop, low center of gravity gives good control over flips and shuvs
-good materials, seem a notch better than ventures, but i don't know this, it just looks more premium, i could be wrong tho
-pretty light
cons:
-they look boring/kinda unidentifiable and skinny, like some no name truck actually
-odd baseplate has been mentioned already
-for me the kingpin used to break a lot and was always crazy hard to get out, so much so i actually just bought a new set once after even the shop couldn't get out the baseplate.
-it's been a while since i rode them but the grind felt kind of dry and chalky. compared to ventures that feel like they get straight stripped off metal or indys that are basically the benchmark imo, right amount between melt and chunk so to speak. so grinding is not as fun
-weird pinch on k-grinds and smith grinds for me, like the wheel locks up more on angled or pinched grinds
-i never had more wheelbite with any truck, there is like no resistance or real rebound to them when worn in and all my pairs developed weird grooves that made them straye to one side or the other. this is not as bad in indys and for me non existent in ventures. i don't know if this is a geo or bushing issue but it's a lot worse in thunders than in the others.
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(https://i.ibb.co/rQh23hB/16056518507712715726294856337606.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rQh23hB)
GD complete. Darby's board since we're talking cab knocks.
Pros
Kids can turn on them.
Bushings tech that seems better than the industry standard 😅
They don't freeze in the cold it seems.
Trucks can get as loose as you want your hangers not going to fall off.
Turn like an ace with a cut top bushing.
Cons
Ugly
Will definitely warp or bend under the weight of anyone older than 7 or 8
Heavy
They don't grind
The kids have become addicted to ulta loose trucks and can't turn on anything else.
Bushings don't fit other grown people trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/Lg1595P/1605652537535150549094992693780.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lg1595P)
Same stuff as above but these grind a little.
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I sold a set of furys in 6th grade to this rich ass goth kid, nice dude ne bought me lunch mad times, but sold him these jawns for like 60 bucks. I kinda wish I stil had em.
My brother recently revealed to me that he likes/ prefers and indeed fucks with krux. I couldn't believe it like didn't fairmans have real trucks? He was like yea so I got the krux. Un fuckin believable. Like there's the big 3, well four now cause of ace, and I would assume that's for good reason.
He wouldn’t be my brother anymore.
Ha. Tell me about it. Krux on a baker deck. He's just awful.
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Really came here looking for info to aid in my decision between phantom 2, fury, royal, tracker, and kreepar. Thanks for nothing.
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THUNDER STANDARD:
pros
-responsive, quick turn
-nice pinch on crooks
-grind smooth/quickly while not disintegrating
cons
-turn is too 'twitchy' for some
-baseplate pushed in (wheels stick on nose/tailslides)
-prone to wheelbite especially with over 53mm wheels
THEEVE TIKING:
pros
-noticeably lightweight
-responsive pop
-wheels don't stick on slide tricks
cons
-hard to lose the 'unbroken truck' feel without modifying bushings
-felt unstable on 5-0s (for me)
-turn feels like it 'maxes out' fairly quickly
(https://i.ibb.co/ZJQsBX2/Screenshot-2022-01-09-22-28-09.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
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Lots of talk about Indy, Thunder, Ace & Venture. Any word on Theeve Tiax or Destructo?
I’ve got a set of D1 Mids. I was curious because I had a pair in the late 90s/early 00s and wanted to see what they were like since they’re back now.
I actually think this is a great truck for the price. If you like transition and crusty street spots/ditches/banks, I think they’re worth checking out. I’m not going to pro/con them because everyone like their ride a little different, but these are the details:
HEIGHT
Axle height is tall. I’ve got 56mm Loophole vees on them and I don’t even think about wheelbite. They do tend to feel unnaturally tall for me on sub-56mm wheels or on sub-8.25 in. decks.
KINGPIN
It’s low, maybe even lower than a Venture Hi. Still takes a good range of aftermarket bushing sizes without changing the geo too much.
BUSHINGS
The set that came with them was black and they’re more like the matte-finish Ace bushings (less of a squeak and more of a whatever that noise Aces make when you first set them up). They feel good, but are a little on the hard side so you can really lean on turns. Can confirm Ace bushings work great, as well as Supercush 88s if you want a looser turn. I have some of the aftermarket Destructo bushings to try out, but they seem more conventional than the bushings that came with.
TURN/GRIND/POP
Turn action feels pretty good, actually quite carvy due to the extra height. The height allows you experiment with softer bushings and still stay clear of wheelbite issues, which is nice. Grind is fine on coping or angle iron, haven gotten them onto some proper concrete yet. Pop is a little different if you’re coming from something lower, obviously. Not sure what the closest comparison would be. Indy XI standard?
WEIGHT/DURABILITY
These don’t feel that heavy on the board to me. There’s a big cavity in the baseplate and they aren’t as beefy as an Indy. No word on durability as I haven’t gotten them out enough, but they seem to focus on that in their marketing, so I’m hoping they hold up well.
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Indy:
Pros
- Awesome turn and carve
- Lasts a long time regarding grinding
- Smooth grind
Cons
- It can feel heavy at times
- Pop feel can feel slow and soggy sometimes, especially with worn in decks
- Sometimes feels too tall
Venture Hi:
Pros
- Stability
- Can make board pop feel strong, no matter the condition of the board
- Harder grind can make it feel you're more in control while grinding
- Lightweight
- Great kingpin clearance
Cons
- No Venture-brand aftermarket bushings. You have to use Indy or Bones bushings as safe options.
- Not the best turn/carve
- Doesn't last long regarding grinds. I hit axle on both hangers within 3-4 weeks of doing slappies.
- Lower height means you can't use bigger wheels
Ace:
Pros
- Feels carvy but stable at the same time
- Very smooth grind
- Light pop feel for anyone that likes that
- Sexy old school design
Cons
- Axle bend
- Sometimes grind feels too smooth and you lose control
- Bushings are a bitch to break in, you're forced to keep them tight until they break in
- Bushings feel kinda hard to turn if you're on the lighter side
- Ace brand aftermarket bushings are the only safe options. Bones bushings will explode if you use them and do hard grinds.
- Smaller wheelbase and lower height makes board pop feel very light, especially on worn in boards.
I haven't rode Thunders in a few years, but those are going to be my next truck after my Ventures are through.
Did yu get thunders? So thunders or venture in your opinion?
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The conclusion we came to in this thread is Theeve is the best…..
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The conclusion we came to in this thread is Theeve is the best…..
Wish they were still readily avaialbe to have some on hand.
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New Royals:
Pros
-Not too high, not too low
-Not too heavy, not too light
-Minimal wheelbite
-Durable enough
-Visually pleasing
-Teenage nostalgia
Cons
-Stock bushings may be too soft for some
-Teenage nostalgia
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Indy Standard or Forged
Pros
-I can skate them well on the widest variety of boards
-great turn
-great grind
-ideal WB
-probably skate the best overall on these
Cons
-I just don't feel very stoked riding them
Venture Hi 5.2 and 5.6
Pros
-the truck I have the most affinity for due to 90s nostalgia
-the best pop on the right board
-stable
-height is perfect
-flip tricks work best on these
Cons
-can feel clunky on a steep board
-the mounting hole placement is annoying. I wish they were drilled 1/8" up to bring in the WB and make getting a skate tool in there easier
Thunder 147 and 148
Pros
-I love how they look
-great grind/pinch
Cons
-twitchy without the carve
-wheelbite
-pop angle yields a weak pop for me
-slide on wheels instead of baseplate
-this is the truck that no matter how often I go back to trying, I always swear it's the last time. I objectively skate the worst on these out of the major truck brands
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The conclusion we came to in this thread is Theeve is the best…..
Wish they were still readily avaialbe to have some on hand.
You’re officially koo koo for cocoa pops….
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Tensor Mag lights
Pros
-Grind like nothing else, pure butter on even the worst unwaxed ledges
-Super light so take no effort to get flips going, easy on the knees
Cons
-Axles bend even with mild use, I gave up after doing them in on 3 pairs just skating flatground
-Super light so you have little to no feedback from the board, easy to over rotate tricks.
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in chronological order:
blind trucks:
pros:
- the baseplate was shaped like the blind reaper
i don’t remember anything else about them
street corner ventures:
pros:
- i had a rasta colored pair and i thought they were the shit when i was 12
- the turning was alright
cons:
- as mentioned before, when i had them i was 12 and could barely ollie and two sets broke on me, one baseplate, one hanger. i wasn’t a fat kid or anything, they simply must have been trash then.
old royal trucks (crailtap collab)
pros:
- i liked how they looked
cons:
- those were the first trucks that i had that didn’t turn well
- i gave them to somebody in good condition and one hanger snapped on them, there was a bubble in there or something, it looked crazy
- i think they had almost zero kingpin clearance
at this point i learned how to do grinds
(usa made) independent stage xi standards:
pros:
- extremely durable, as far as grinding goes
- classic look, to this day when i think „skateboard truck” i see an indy
cons:
- heavy
- i don’t like how indys turn. i figured that out much, much later, but coming from thunders or aces i felt like there was a little delay before they started turning. like i would lean and then i had to wait a split second before they actually turned?
thunder lights:
pros:
- very responsive and quick turning
- pinch
- lightweight
cons:
- not very durable, i would always hit the axle after a year of skating skatepark ledges with angle iron, there’s not much crusty shit or curbs to grind where i live, and every time i hit the axle the hanger around would crack.
- i don’t like how they look
- short baseplate, but i got used to that
thunder team: same as above, but a little heavier, which didn’t really matter to me, as they were still lighter than (for example) an indy
silver m-class:
pros:
- none
cons:
- by far the worst turning trucks i’ve ever had/skated. the stock bushings felt like hard plastic. i switched the bushings and had them shakey as fuck and they still didn’t really turn.
- bent axles, more so than on any other truck i had
- heavy (pretty much as heavy as an indy)
- zero kingpin clearance
ace classics:
pros:
- the turn, cruising on aces is so much fun
- the best stock bushings in any trucks i owned
- i like the look
- smooth ass grinds
- durable (as far as grinding goes), my first set lasted me for like 3 years before i hit the axle (again, skatepark ledges mostly)
- good for manuals
cons:
- pretty heavy
- bent axles (nothing too crazy, but i had coned wheels because of that)
- almost no kingpin clearance
- because of the softer metal they use they grinded amazingly, but the bolt holes would get wider quickly, so they wouldn’t stay straight
dlx venture standards:
pros:
- explosive pop
- stable
- with softer bushings they turn really nice
- not too heavy
- very aesthetically pleasing (to me)
- great kingpin clearance
- you can sit in the pocket while doing a manual and still go straight
cons:
- stock bushings blew out quickly
- stock top washer cuts into the hanger
- even with the pocket thing i mentioned, it’s harder to hold a manual on them than on aces
- i can’t speak for the durability as i’m still on my first set and they’re looking good, but probably not as durable as aces/indys
- slightly bent axles
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Indy
Pro: It feels good to be told you're riding the best.
Con: Fucking the rest seems a bit uncalled for.
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Venture
pro: forces you to be AWAKE
con: causes sleeping issues
Thunder
pro: its good to know control
con: i'm not exactly sure how i feel about control now that i know them.
Ace
pro: these loose trucks claim to save lives
con: your life may be saved, but is it even worth it if you're landing less tricks?
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Why are you landing less tricks on Ace?
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Why are you landing less tricks on Ace?
They just dont suit my preferences for my regular setup, love them on my cruisers though. The surfy nature leads to less consistent pop and squirrelly setup/landings for me.
Also, I was just trying to come up with a stupid joke with their slogan like i did for the others lol. I didn't want to be all edgy and list the con as "maybe yours isnt worth saving". So i went with this instead.
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If thunder bushings weren’t complete garbage they’d be a 10/10 truck for me.
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Thunder bushings still last longer than Venture tops. If you email DLX with a pic they will send you more bushings that you will ever skate.
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If thunder bushings weren’t complete garbage they’d be a 10/10 truck for me.
Was def a turn off for me.
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Thunders
I skated 147 (long time ago), and 151s
147 - Nice and quick turn, cant remember too much about them though
151 - Great, great truck, I had the hollows, couple sets. Super light, nice turn, stock bushings worked well (white ones), than I replaced it with the blue replacement kit from Thunder, good too. Kingpin clearance could be better.
Theeve
5,85 Tiax - Super light, If I remember correctly, they were a little too tall. Turn was good, but not as good as with Thunders, which is why I stopped skating them. Overal though, great truck, I have no idea why everyone hates them. I dont even know if the company still exists. Bones bushings are good for about 2 weeks for me, after that, Indy replacements if I remember correctly.
Krux
Some 8 inch high Krux maybe 15 years ago, turn was OK, but I bent them in a couple months.
Venture
6,1 standards - Ive been on them for about a month, and I have to say, best truck I have ever tried. A little tall at first (especially coming from Thunders 151s), but I got used to that in about a week. Grind is great, Turn is fantastic. Quick, yet stable. I love the baseplate slide. Kingpin clearance, best I have ever had.
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Thunder 147 & 148s
Pros:
Lighter then Indy
Stable
Consistent movement
Overall consistency
Das pinch
Cons:
Kingpin clearance
Longevity
Inconsistent axle width - I got 4 pairs of 148's, and 2 of them have upwards of 3mm shorter on one side of the axle, making the axle nut flush with the axle end :P Could say its a pro, but na..
Indy 144
Pros:
Fun
Smuud grind
Less wheelbite
Baseplate to scare you on nose/tails
Cons:
Heavy
Twitchy - too turny for precise consistent movement.
I should note im not a long time indy skater. In fact, 80% of my skate life ive been skating Grind King and Thunder. Only this year ive experimented with Indy's.
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Thunder 147 & 148s
Pros:
Lighter then Indy
Stable
Consistent movement
Overall consistency
Das pinch
Cons:
Kingpin clearance
Longevity
Inconsistent axle width - I got 4 pairs of 148's, and 2 of them have upwards of 3mm shorter on one side of the axle, making the axle nut flush with the axle end :P Could say its a pro, but na..
Indy 144
Pros:
Fun
Smuud grind
Less wheelbite
Baseplate to scare you on nose/tails
Cons:
Heavy
Twitchy - too turny for precise consistent movement.
I should note im not a long time indy skater. In fact, 80% of my skate life ive been skating Grind King and Thunder. Only this year ive experimented with Indy's.
tighten them
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If it was that easy... I tried a stiffer top bushing, and it did help slightly.
Thunder is just more stable at center, and more "forgiving" in terms of lean and turn.
I notice it straight away. Dont miss grinds bcuz I overshoot etc duo to Indy's turning
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If it was that easy... I tried a stiffer top bushing, and it did help slightly.
Thunder is just more stable at center, and more "forgiving" in terms of lean and turn.
I notice it straight away. Dont miss grinds bcuz I overshoot etc duo to Indy's turning
I ran indy hard cylinders for the longest time, about flush on the kingpin, maybe 1/2 a thread showing. I'm currently on the stock bushings with like 2 threads showing. there's pros and cons to both.
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I have some Streetcorner Ventures from the old days in my garage that I tried about a year ago and I have to say that the Deluxe ones are vastly improved, the Streetcorner ones basically didn't turn (although the bushings could have hardened since my mom got them from DLXSM in the early 2000s). I like how the Streetcorner ones look though, the paint is nice and I liked the stencil V logo they put on them back then.
I haven't seen (or I overlooked) anyone talk about Tensor Maglight ATG lows, so here's a few notes on them:
Pros:
- Magnesium grinds the best on almost everything except metal, which is a mediocre grind
- Even lighter than Maglight ATG highs
- Look better than ATG highs. The hanger on ATG highs look weird, the lows look more like how Tensors did prior to the revamp they had in the last decade or so, which isn't too bad in my opinion. Obviously they don't look as good as an Indy or a Venture but I'd rather look at these than Thunders or Royals
- These are the lowest trucks I've ever ridden as far as I know, even lower than Venture los with forged baseplates
Cons:
- They turn like shit if you don't ride them tight, although why are you riding low trucks if you don't ride your trucks tight as hell?
- You're gonna be wheelbiting your ass off
- Apparently people bend the axles although I've never done that personally
In summation, if you're into tight trucks, small wheels, an insanely light setup, grinding things that aren't metal coping or angle iron and generally going in a straight line then these are your trucks. Otherwise, go with something else.
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If it was that easy... I tried a stiffer top bushing, and it did help slightly.
Thunder is just more stable at center, and more "forgiving" in terms of lean and turn.
I notice it straight away. Dont miss grinds bcuz I overshoot etc duo to Indy's turning
I ran indy hard cylinders for the longest time, about flush on the kingpin, maybe 1/2 a thread showing. I'm currently on the stock bushings with like 2 threads showing. there's pros and cons to both.
Technically speaking there are minor cons to cranking a stock bushing vs swapping for a hard. You are technically "using up" some of the bushing's rebound by having it pre-compressed more. That will alter the rebound kinetics somewhat sorta like you would if you pre-loaded a mountain bike shock or let it sit lower in the sag. Because of this, the forces on the bushing when turning are higher since you're starting it at 75% capacity and taking it to 25% vs 100% and taking it to 50%. Bushings are less likely to last longer. And since you take it lower you are bottoming out the turning.
Using hard bushings with less threads makes more sense in the long-run. I don't get why companies don't pour all 1 color and then just etch in or mold in some sorta indicator on the bottom. That way none of us have to be immediately signaled out for running hards.
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Venture
pro: forces you to be AWAKE
con: causes sleeping issues
Thunder
pro: its good to know control
con: i'm not exactly sure how i feel about control now that i know them.
Ace
pro: these loose trucks claim to save lives
con: your life may be saved, but is it even worth it if you're landing less tricks?
I could see this being a thing in thrasher or something. Good post. Brought a smile to my face
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Thunders
I skated 147 (long time ago), and 151s
147 - Nice and quick turn, cant remember too much about them though
151 - Great, great truck, I had the hollows, couple sets. Super light, nice turn, stock bushings worked well (white ones), than I replaced it with the blue replacement kit from Thunder, good too. Kingpin clearance could be better.
Theeve
5,85 Tiax - Super light, If I remember correctly, they were a little too tall. Turn was good, but not as good as with Thunders, which is why I stopped skating them. Overal though, great truck, I have no idea why everyone hates them. I dont even know if the company still exists. Bones bushings are good for about 2 weeks for me, after that, Indy replacements if I remember correctly.
Krux
Some 8 inch high Krux maybe 15 years ago, turn was OK, but I bent them in a couple months.
Venture
6,1 standards - Ive been on them for about a month, and I have to say, best truck I have ever tried. A little tall at first (especially coming from Thunders 151s), but I got used to that in about a week. Grind is great, Turn is fantastic. Quick, yet stable. I love the baseplate slide. Kingpin clearance, best I have ever had.
Opinions are obviously subjective, but as a Theeve fanboy I feel obligated to correct a couple things.
"If I remember correctly, they were a little too tall"
- Although they may be listed as 55mm, all Theeve models are 52-53mm tall.
"Turn was good, but not as good as with Thunders, which is why I stopped skating them"
- You may prefer the Thunder turn, but objectively, the Theeve geometry is more responsive and has a much deeper turn radius.
"I dont even know if the company still exists"
- They do. There's even a whole (tiny) team here in Japan.
But yeah, bones bushings are trash and don't even work well with the trucks. I usually put Ace or RipTide in them.
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Technically speaking there are minor cons to cranking a stock bushing vs swapping for a hard. You are technically "using up" some of the bushing's rebound by having it pre-compressed more. That will alter the rebound kinetics somewhat sorta like you would if you pre-loaded a mountain bike shock or let it sit lower in the sag. Because of this, the forces on the bushing when turning are higher since you're starting it at 75% capacity and taking it to 25% vs 100% and taking it to 50%. Bushings are less likely to last longer. And since you take it lower you are bottoming out the turning.
Using hard bushings with less threads makes more sense in the long-run. I don't get why companies don't pour all 1 color and then just etch in or mold in some sorta indicator on the bottom. That way none of us have to be immediately signaled out for running hards.
The comments about stress on the bushing and longevity are accurate. But as someone who ran hards for the longest time (im not completely opposed to going back to them either), the main benefit/difference of running the standards cranked a bit (2-2.5 threads showing) IS the bottom out you mentioned. The softer bushings allow me enough turn initially, with little resistance, but when they bottom out your board is tight/stable for popping. It almost makes my indys feel sort of thunder-ish. Running hards flush will give you a nice, consistent, deep turn though. However sometimes I felt like i struggled to find that PERFECT tightness. Flush was a bit too loose, 1 thread was a bit too tight. IDK..... madness.
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Venture
pro: forces you to be AWAKE
con: causes sleeping issues
Thunder
pro: its good to know control
con: i'm not exactly sure how i feel about control now that i know them.
Ace
pro: these loose trucks claim to save lives
con: your life may be saved, but is it even worth it if you're landing less tricks?
I could see this being a thing in thrasher or something. Good post. Brought a smile to my face
thanks <3
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New Royals:
Pros
-Not too high, not too low
-Not too heavy, not too light
-Minimal wheelbite
-Durable enough
-Visually pleasing
-Teenage nostalgia
Cons
-Stock bushings may be too soft for some
-Teenage nostalgia
I'll agree with all of this except there's no nostalgia for me or I was too stoned to remember.
My 8.75 ultra lights with bones hards just feel amazing all around.
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I’m due new trucks and have been eyeing Ventures again but the more I hear about the Royal ultra lights the more I want to try them.
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I’m due new trucks and have been eyeing Ventures again but the more I hear about the Royal ultra lights the more I want to try them.
I'd say try the royals if you like your trucks medium or looser. Have to mod ventures to get a decent turn, but if you ride tighter than most people im sure it wouldnt bother you.
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New Royals:
Pros
-Not too high, not too low
-Not too heavy, not too light
-Minimal wheelbite
-Durable enough
-Visually pleasing
-Teenage nostalgia
Cons
-Stock bushings may be too soft for some
-Teenage nostalgia
I'll agree with all of this except there's no nostalgia for me or I was too stoned to remember.
My 8.75 ultra lights with bones hards just feel amazing all around.
Cons
-Grind is hard like Venture, doesn't grind as smooth on chunky stuff.
-Friends will clown on you.
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All these comments on the New Royals and nothing about how great they turn...nestled right in between a thunder and an indy.
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Shit I will quickly admit they turn tooooo good for me. Like, if they had harder bushings I prob woulda kept them on a ton longer. For the record the bushings are not bad, I just need harder. Most people that I know that have tried and moved on ended up having that as the major criticism.
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pros: venture high 5.8
cons: every other truck
I quit chewing my fingernails as a child and quit smoking cigarettes as an adult, but I fully accept this habit.
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Shit I will quickly admit they turn tooooo good for me. Like, if they had harder bushings I prob woulda kept them on a ton longer. For the record the bushings are not bad, I just need harder. Most people that I know that have tried and moved on ended up having that as the major criticism.
I'm running stock ACE classics (Medium/Dual Duro) and they're great; bit more stable and no kingpin threads as the top ACE is a bit taller than the Royal (but not by much); bottom is a bit taller too but the royal bottom has compressed.
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pros: venture high 5.8
cons: every other truck
I quit chewing my fingernails as a child and quit smoking cigarettes as an adult, but I fully accept this habit.
I pretty much only skate 8” boards and I keep a set of brand new 5.8s, just in case I need to setup a wide board.
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pros: venture high 5.8
cons: every other truck
I quit chewing my fingernails as a child and quit smoking cigarettes as an adult, but I fully accept this habit.
me with 6.1s
but i still bite my nails unconsciously
and smoke after a few drinks
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I only rode Indy’s for like 10 years, and I’ve been experimenting the last 2 years with different trucks, after a kid called me a nazi at the skatepark because I still had iron crosses on my baseplates (they were the titanium’s so they last forever). Here’s my experience from the last couple years of exploration, riding different trucks for the first time since I was a teenager.
Ace:
Pro’s
Turn really well, shorter wb than current gen indy’s, grind super smooth, super fun to cruise around on when not trying any tricks. I like the checkered flag branding because I’m also into cars but that’s just me. Everyone Lowkey respects you for skating them, they definitely have a cult following.
Cons
I’d fall out of nosegrinds/crookeds a lot until I got a decent groove going. Bad at pinch grinds on these. They’re super heavy. I grinded them almost down to the axle in 6 months, so that soft smooth grind feeling wasn’t just a feeling.
Venture:
Pro’s
My pop felt so good on these. I was catching my tricks higher and landing them bolts most of the time. Also mad street cred for rocking these.
Cons
They turn like shit. I tried switching bushings a few times and nothing really helped. I think it’s just the geo of the truck. They also wore down to the axles in about 6 months. Definitely wanted to like them, because I loved them when I was a teenager before I found Indy’s, but I skated tight trucks back then.
Thunder:
Pro’s
Absolutely the best for pinchy grinds like crooks and feebles/smiths on round rails. They turn super good, which I love. I take the bottom washer out and they feel like they turn sharper like Indy’s. Amazing pop. The pop feel on these are so good. These have been my new go-to truck (currently on team hollow 148’s).
Cons:
I got wheelbite at first quite a bit, but I got used to the height (riding 148 cast baseplates so 52mm tall). Tailslides have been tough some days because of the baseplate being so far in and sliding on the wheels was an adjustment, but it helped me learn proper form and I’ve been sliding them further with thunders so that might actually be a pro.
Independent:
Pros:
Great turn, great grind, basically the gold standard for skateboard trucks.
Cons:
I tried setting them up on my extra board after some time off of them, and it felt super soggy. So I set them up on a fresh deck, the pop feel still felt soggy after riding other trucks (these are the titanium lights with forged baseplates mind you, so they SHOULD feel crisp). I also didn’t like the turn as much as I remembered after riding my thunders with no bottom washer. They also have a shitty image that others above have pointed out.
I’m now a Thunder convert after some kid called me a nazi for riding old Indy’s. Kinda grateful for that in retrospect because it made me try new things and find my new go-to truck.
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pros: venture high 5.8
cons: every other truck
I quit chewing my fingernails as a child and quit smoking cigarettes as an adult, but I fully accept this habit.
but i still bite my nails unconsciously
and smoke after a few drinks
Me 5.2’s……
I always carry nail clippers….
Conclusion….Ventures are the best….
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pros: venture high 5.8
cons: every other truck
I quit chewing my fingernails as a child and quit smoking cigarettes as an adult, but I fully accept this habit.
but i still bite my nails unconsciously
and smoke after a few drinks
Me 5.2’s……
I always carry nail clippers….
Conclusion….Ventures are the best….
6.1 🔥🤟🔥🤟
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Wanted to stay on Indy but I cracked two hangers in six months. The second was the warranty replacement pair. After that I tried venture. Once I got used to the turn they’re perfect. I ride them flush and never have a problem turning. Only problem is I usually hit axel fairly quickly (6-8 months) but honestly it was better than the aces I got (axel in about 4 months). Haven’t tried thunders cause I don’t like being that close to the ground
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The extra MM closer is something you can surely perceive
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pros: venture high 5.8
cons: every other truck
I quit chewing my fingernails as a child and quit smoking cigarettes as an adult, but I fully accept this habit.
but i still bite my nails unconsciously
and smoke after a few drinks
Me 5.2’s……
I always carry nail clippers….
Conclusion….Ventures are the best….
6.1 🔥🤟🔥🤟
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Wanted to stay on Indy but I cracked two hangers in six months. The second was the warranty replacement pair. After that I tried venture. Once I got used to the turn they’re perfect. I ride them flush and never have a problem turning. Only problem is I usually hit axel fairly quickly (6-8 months) but honestly it was better than the aces I got (axel in about 4 months). Haven’t tried thunders cause I don’t like being that close to the ground
Been thinking of trying Ventures next after being on Indys for a long time with a short stint with Aces in between. You ride the Hi's? 53,5mm sounds perfect to me as I only ride forged Indys. What should I except (apart from a different turn and shorter-lived axle)? Interested in hearing about e.g. pop and stability as I've been skating more and more flat and curbs lately. And will my transition game suffer? I don't ride my Indys very loose, mind you – I like to go fast and push hard and to avoid wheelbite my Indys need to be cranked.
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Wanted to stay on Indy but I cracked two hangers in six months. The second was the warranty replacement pair. After that I tried venture. Once I got used to the turn they’re perfect. I ride them flush and never have a problem turning. Only problem is I usually hit axel fairly quickly (6-8 months) but honestly it was better than the aces I got (axel in about 4 months). Haven’t tried thunders cause I don’t like being that close to the ground
Been thinking of trying Ventures next after being on Indys for a long time with a short stint with Aces in between. You ride the Hi's? 53,5mm sounds perfect to me as I only ride forged Indys. What should I except (apart from a different turn and shorter-lived axle)? Interested in hearing about e.g. pop and stability as I've been skating more and more flat and curbs lately. And will my transition game suffer? I don't ride my Indys very loose, mind you – I like to go fast and push hard and to avoid wheelbite my Indys need to be cranked.
As someone who made the jump to Venture after being on Indys for like 10+ years, I would say transition will be the toughest thing to get adjusted to.
They're great for flatground, ledges, and are really stable as most have mentioned but the turn is for sure more delayed than Indy (but get used to p quick) and imo don't grind as well on coping compared to Indy. I ride 5.6 V-lights for the record.
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What you will like is the ability to loosen them up….
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Indy Stage 4 reissues
Pros:
-Rad nod to the past. Indy reclaiming some rightful history.
-Amazing turn
-Look cool as shit on a re-issue set up.
-Good stock bushings
-Good grind
-Six hole BP
-Weird sizes
-High wheel clearance
Cons
-Very heavy
-Limited KP clearance
-Weird sizes (Not everyone's cuppa tea)
-Unstable on center (could be due to height)
-More of a nostalgic truck. If you want some of the pros without some of these cons, Ace might be a better option.
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Wanted to stay on Indy but I cracked two hangers in six months. The second was the warranty replacement pair. After that I tried venture. Once I got used to the turn they’re perfect. I ride them flush and never have a problem turning. Only problem is I usually hit axel fairly quickly (6-8 months) but honestly it was better than the aces I got (axel in about 4 months). Haven’t tried thunders cause I don’t like being that close to the ground
Been thinking of trying Ventures next after being on Indys for a long time with a short stint with Aces in between. You ride the Hi's? 53,5mm sounds perfect to me as I only ride forged Indys. What should I except (apart from a different turn and shorter-lived axle)? Interested in hearing about e.g. pop and stability as I've been skating more and more flat and curbs lately. And will my transition game suffer? I don't ride my Indys very loose, mind you – I like to go fast and push hard and to avoid wheelbite my Indys need to be cranked.
As someone who made the jump to Venture after being on Indys for like 10+ years, I would say transition will be the toughest thing to get adjusted to.
They're great for flatground, ledges, and are really stable as most have mentioned but the turn is for sure more delayed than Indy (but get used to p quick) and imo don't grind as well on coping compared to Indy. I ride 5.6 V-lights for the record.
Thanks for the input. Actually 5.6 V-lights is exactly the truck I'm looking at. :) I just might give them a shot. I kinda feel that the turn could be something that I could adjust to. The added wheelbase also raises thoughts, but yeah, why not.
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Wanted to stay on Indy but I cracked two hangers in six months. The second was the warranty replacement pair. After that I tried venture. Once I got used to the turn they’re perfect. I ride them flush and never have a problem turning. Only problem is I usually hit axel fairly quickly (6-8 months) but honestly it was better than the aces I got (axel in about 4 months). Haven’t tried thunders cause I don’t like being that close to the ground
Been thinking of trying Ventures next after being on Indys for a long time with a short stint with Aces in between. You ride the Hi's? 53,5mm sounds perfect to me as I only ride forged Indys. What should I except (apart from a different turn and shorter-lived axle)? Interested in hearing about e.g. pop and stability as I've been skating more and more flat and curbs lately. And will my transition game suffer? I don't ride my Indys very loose, mind you – I like to go fast and push hard and to avoid wheelbite my Indys need to be cranked.
As someone who made the jump to Venture after being on Indys for like 10+ years, I would say transition will be the toughest thing to get adjusted to.
They're great for flatground, ledges, and are really stable as most have mentioned but the turn is for sure more delayed than Indy (but get used to p quick) and imo don't grind as well on coping compared to Indy. I ride 5.6 V-lights for the record.
Thanks for the input. Actually 5.6 V-lights is exactly the truck I'm looking at. :) I just might give them a shot. I kinda feel that the turn could be something that I could adjust to. The added wheelbase also raises thoughts, but yeah, why not.
NP! Yeah I started getting shapes with short WBs to make up for it like 8.25 with 14' or 14.1' its a great set up and have been on that for like 2 years now. Im sure you'll like the change to Venture!
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Dam might have to pick up some
Venture 5.8 this weekend…. Y’all making them sound noice. And I’ve only ever skated independents and now aces so I’d like to try a more stable truck now that I have Old man ankles
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Dam might have to pick up some
Venture 5.8 this weekend…. Y’all making them sound noice. And I’ve only ever skated independents and now aces so I’d like to try a more stable truck now that I have Old man ankles
I think any trucks can work for almost any person, depending on how long you take to adjust, but also how you like your bushings and what you have had before
Although the change is definitely going to be weird at first (from Indy or Ace - the most turny truck to Venture - the least) there are plenty of other benefits of each truck, especially Venture trucks and they do still turn a whole lot if you want them to, as well as stay nice and stable if that is more the need, good kingpin clearance, pretty much all sizes, options in cast or forged baseplate, solid or hollow axles, etc.
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Thunder team 14??? 8.25"
Pros
Light pop feel (but that's probably more from the deck geometry)
Cons
Wheel bite a bit.
Mine chew up top bushings. They seem to pinch between the washer and hanger. Never had that problem with Indy or ace.
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Dam might have to pick up some
Venture 5.8 this weekend…. Y’all making them sound noice. And I’ve only ever skated independents and now aces so I’d like to try a more stable truck now that I have Old man ankles
Indy makes firmer bushings that can help a lot of people. I run the blue cylinder bushings myself and know people that rock the black ones and the trucks feel more stable mostly towards the very end of the turn where they might otherwise wheelbite.
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I was curious and bought the slappy 8.75 trucks, been on them for about 3 months now
Pros:
- I barely get any wheelbite, and i ride 56mm wheels so if you ride smaller wheels than that you will not have any
- Turns very good almost like an ace but stability is more like a venture, when I bend down to pop I don't squirrel out at all
- Grinds good, like its namesake I slappy the curbs and it does its job but not really any noticeably better grind than indy
- I have the standard ones, not inverted kingpin but even the standard slappy trucks have more kingpin clearance than other trucks
Cons:
- The bushings are weak, they cracked/blew out on me in just a few sessions, but I had indy bushings laying around so popped them in and no issues
- Name is kinda dumb
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Dam might have to pick up some
Venture 5.8 this weekend…. Y’all making them sound noice. And I’ve only ever skated independents and now aces so I’d like to try a more stable truck now that I have Old man ankles
Indy makes firmer bushings that can help a lot of people. I run the blue cylinder bushings myself and know people that rock the black ones and the trucks feel more stable mostly towards the very end of the turn where they might otherwise wheelbite.
Which indu bushings would you recommend for somebody coming from AF1?
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For the first 5 years of my skateboarding i basically just rode hand-me-down trucks, pair of speed demon piss yellow trucks, some random furys and a pair of royals. Can't say much about those because as a pup I really paid no mind to my trucks.
After that:
Indy stage 11 standard
PROS:
-Responsive, quick turn, fun cruisability
-Smooth grind
-all terrain, works great on street and on transition
-DURABLE+++
CONS:
-pop feels soggy, especially on a more flat board or a skated deck
-pivot cups crumbling to fucking dust
-sometimes the responsiveness/turn can fuck up your set ups/landings, especially if learning new tricks (for me, especially sw flips and sw fs flips when i was learning them)
Indy stage 11 forged hollow:
PROS:
-as mentioned above
CONS:
-as mentioned above
&
-wheelbiting like a bitch
Made the switch to Venture 5.8 a year ago
VENTURE 5.8 HI
PROS:
-high, reliable pop, even on a soggy board
-great kingpin clearance
-exquisite pinch, especially on my favourite grind bs suski
-great stability and control
-not that susceptible to wheelbites, handles impact better when coming down steps/gaps
-good baseplate slides
-aesthetically pleasing
CONS:
-in terms of turning, takes a while to break in to get a comfortable turning range
-feels VOLATILE when riding a steep board
-not as durable, dented the middle of the truck on bs 5-0's and suskis, hit the axle in ~6 months
-a bitch to mount
also had a hard time getting used to ventures after riding indys for about 10 years, ghost pop on 50% of tricks on the first couple sessions. 100% recommending venture though, felt like the right choice straight out the box, felt even more right as I started getting really used to them and breaking them in.
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Dam might have to pick up some
Venture 5.8 this weekend…. Y’all making them sound noice. And I’ve only ever skated independents and now aces so I’d like to try a more stable truck now that I have Old man ankles
Indy makes firmer bushings that can help a lot of people. I run the blue cylinder bushings myself and know people that rock the black ones and the trucks feel more stable mostly towards the very end of the turn where they might otherwise wheelbite.
Independent Blue 92a or maybe the Black 94 (I think that's what they are), Supercush 94a maybe, or you could just get the same Ace bushing you used (hard if you had hard, stock if you had stock). If you ask in the Indy thread people will know what size to get as I don't know what exactly matches Indy height.
Also don't be afraid to tighten them a bit. I've seen some Indy pros with 3 threads showing on the stock bushings. It will make them tighter but they'll still turn well unlike say a tight Thunder or Venture which will get really rigid.
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Dam might have to pick up some
Venture 5.8 this weekend…. Y’all making them sound noice. And I’ve only ever skated independents and now aces so I’d like to try a more stable truck now that I have Old man ankles
Indy makes firmer bushings that can help a lot of people. I run the blue cylinder bushings myself and know people that rock the black ones and the trucks feel more stable mostly towards the very end of the turn where they might otherwise wheelbite.
Independent Blue 92a or maybe the Black 94 (I think that's what they are), Supercush 94a maybe, or you could just get the same Ace bushing you used (hard if you had hard, stock if you had stock). If you ask in the Indy thread people will know what size to get as I don't know what exactly matches Indy height.
Also don't be afraid to tighten them a bit. I've seen some Indy pros with 3 threads showing on the stock bushings. It will make them tighter but they'll still turn well unlike say a tight Thunder or Venture which will get really rigid.
Got the orange ones, let's see how they work. Thanks for the reply