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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: cricketclub on July 17, 2020, 09:32:19 AM
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This is an issue I see pop up in real life and on the internet all the time... people who have skated for years but still don’t know the correct terms for tricks.
This dude on twitter (won’t @ ya but hey 👋 if you see this) who says he’s been skating since ‘89 and is a writer about skateboarding is trying to say stevie william’s epic switch backside 180 backside nosegrind on the picnic table photograph is a “switch backside 180 to fakie 5-0“ and using a Mike Carrol quote to justify it. Ain’t no such thing as switch fakie and if that is not already a slap username I’m sure some troll will take it soon.
I myself had nollie backside and frontside wrong for like 14 years and was indignant whenever I would get corrected until it clicked in my head.
I see muckmouth having to correct fools on insta all the time.
It can be confusing. If you are having trouble think about it directionally.
we only change backside/frontside spins or 5-O grinds/nosegrinds for fakie bc that is backwards.
Hence the name of the beautiful trick that is a nollie frontside flip.
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Motion to form the International Union of Pure and Applied Skateboarding is hereby added to the bill.
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i saw that thread on twitter and the dude is wrong, plain and simple.
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Usually im not one to engage in trick semantics, but wow thats some ass backward thinking. Only time something is fakie is when youre going backwards.
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names always follow regular stance
bro what
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No such thing as ‘switch fakie’ but thats not what you said. Not sure how accurate that guys statement is but it’s all subjective.
I say varial flip instead of ‘shuv-it flip’. I say caballarial instead of ‘fakie backside 360 ollie’. That may not be the proper nomenclature but that’s what i was raised on.
As far as nollie frontside/backside. I see it as how your shoulders turn in relation to the direction you are moving and not mimicking the forward motion of your regular stance.
I’ll give you fakie but i still see it as which way your shoulders are turning.
It’s whatever you were brought up saying is what you say. No right or wrong.
Stop taking skating so seriously.
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Frontside Indy
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fakie nollie ;)
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This dude on twitter (won’t ya but hey 👋 if you see this) who says he’s been skating since ‘89 and is a writer about skateboarding is trying to say stevie william’s epic switch backside 180 backside nosegrind on the picnic table photograph is a “switch backside 180 to fakie 5-0“
it makes sense if you see it like this : switch(bs 180 fakie 5-0)
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I see where his mind is going but in trick names you don’t say “switch” then say what you would call it if it were regular.
Think about the difference between a nollie frontside flip and fakie frontside flip.
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Nollie half cab is one of the only ones that annoy me and I’ve heard a lots of pros say it
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that's it.. fakie is canceled
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I just wish every trick was named like lien, madonna, etc.
Like name nose slides/grinds Gerwers just because non-skaters wouldn't know the most memorable nose in skateboarding. Doesn't matter he didn't create it.
I want more of this instead of arguing semantics. I move for increasing encryption of skateboarding language.
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This dude on twitter (won’t ya but hey 👋 if you see this) who says he’s been skating since ‘89 and is a writer about skateboarding is trying to say stevie william’s epic switch backside 180 backside nosegrind on the picnic table photograph is a “switch backside 180 to fakie 5-0“
it makes sense if you see it like this : switch(bs 180 fakie 5-0)
exactly this.
either way, it's the least important thing happening on the planet right now.
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I usually just say, "That was really cool, that trick he just did." Then someone's all, "Yeah, that [insert cool trick here] was fucking nutso." And then I just nod my head.
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Nollie half cab is one of the only ones that annoy me and I’ve heard a lots of pros say it
i get nollie confused, what would that be?
nollie frontside 180?
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Yeah
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why is a fullcab backside? you turn to your frontside/ your frontside is facing were you go. or does the second half of the rotation count for the name? is a halfcab frontside and a full backside? i am confused
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why is a fullcab backside? you turn to your frontside/ your frontside is facing were you go. or does the second half of the rotation count for the name? is a halfcab frontside and a full backside? i am confused
Its based on the direction you spin when going your normal stance. Only time a spin is "Opposite" is when youre going fakie.
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why is a fullcab backside? you turn to your frontside/ your frontside is facing were you go. or does the second half of the rotation count for the name? is a halfcab frontside and a full backside? i am confused
but a full cab is fakie. what about nollie then? that’s backwards yeah?
Its based on the direction you spin when going your normal stance. Only time a spin is "Opposite" is when youre going fakie.
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Lip trick nomenclature fucks people up too. Yesterday I heard a kid tell his friend “He just did a McTwist!” after my homie did a Miller.
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Yeah a half cab is the same motion as a backside 180
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Yeah a half cab is the same motion as a backside 180
but my backside (eg ass) goes in direction of motion when i do a backside 180. My frontside (eg dick) goes in direction of motion when i do a fs180.
when i ride nollie and do a 180 facing my frontside (dick) in direction of motion, it is called a frontside 180, no?
when i go fakie and my butt goes in direction of motion it schould be backside. eg the opposite nomenclature of a regular 180.
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when i ride nollie and do a 180 facing my frontside (dick) in direction of motion, it is called a frontside 180, no?
*Yes
when i go fakie and my butt goes in direction of motion it schould be backside.
*Should be? That may be your opinion but it is not correct. Fakie spins are named as backwards. This is the source of the confusion. It’s the way it is though.
*my notes
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Lip trick nomenclature fucks people up too. Yesterday I heard a kid tell his friend “He just did a McTwist!” after my homie did a Miller.
Definitely had to look up what a miller flip was. Heard the name many times but thought it was something else. I've been skating for 15 years I had but I probably could identify like 5 grab tricks like that.
It definitely irks me a little bit when people mistake fs and bs or even worse they'll rename tricks as a wild animal or natural disaster.
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I’ve heard switch nose manual used to describe both switch manuals and fakie manuals
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Isn't Ollie North another one? I thought that Tony Hawks Pro Skater made that name up.
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Isn't Ollie North another one? I thought that Tony Hawks Pro Skater made that name up.
Nope.
I recall calling them that well before the game.
Good example of variance though, as BOTH are acceptable terminology.
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They say different names on street league and X games to. I don't care what you call it as long as you are getting it. Once the Olympic star it's gonna be pretty crazy to hear if they get things even close to the proper name
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Yawn.
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ive always called the front nose 270 a "karl watson" and if you dont you a chump
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when i ride nollie and do a 180 facing my frontside (dick) in direction of motion, it is called a frontside 180, no?
*Yes
when i go fakie and my butt goes in direction of motion it schould be backside.
*Should be? That may be your opinion but it is not correct. Fakie spins are named as backwards. This is the source of the confusion. It’s the way it is though.
*my notes
weird. but thank you
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Wheel chirpers.
Kangaroos.
Reverse heli-spins.
Mega flips & hyper flips.
Axel scrapers.
“Dropped” axel scrapers.
Tip skids.
Rotato-supremoes.
Extra extreme air thrusts with backward rollaways.
Get, get, get yourself some radical!
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Hawknado = 900
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Isn't Ollie North another one? I thought that Tony Hawks Pro Skater made that name up.
I recall calling them that well before the game.
Good example of variance though, as BOTH are acceptable terminology.
These days I say ollie one foot but I don’t mind when people say ollie north.
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I guess it’s kind of fitting the only trick I can think of that ruins the consistency of skate nomenclature is a nollie front shuv which is gross anyway.
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This is officially the most under 30's thread in the history of Slap.
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Fuck yeah. I’m 30 so I’ll take that as a compliment.
I’m fully aware I have produced some of the most obscurely boring threads of the last couple years. One was a poll to see how folks tied their shoes: over - under or under - over?
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
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i saw that thread on twitter and the dude is wrong, plain and simple.
the overlap between SLAP and skate twitter content is becoming a bit too RIDE Channel-esque. plenty of skate twits love to complain about SLAP and yet continue to mine the boards for hot takes and topics.
flip it: SLAP topics based on skate twitter threads are equally uninspired
not directed solely at you @cricketclub, I guess i'm just calling for a greater divide/diversification in skate content platforms!
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bs noseslide = woolly mammoth slide
Or “mammuthus primigenius slide“ for all the Rhodes scholars out there
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Can we all agree the falcon stomp is canon?
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I usually just say, "That was really cool, that trick he just did." Then someone's all, "Yeah, that [insert cool trick here] was fucking nutso." And then I just nod my head.
This, was just saying i wish my old boy lived here, so he could instantly identify every trick and i could just go back to board taps and head nods
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Front cab is a lien cab. It’s so obvious if you’ve got a clue.
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
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Nope fakie 5-0 would be switch mollie nose jizz
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
someone with the knowledge should be able to correlate musical vocabulary here.
"B flat is A sharp" and vice versa
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I've been skating for 7ish years now and I still confuse smiths/feebles on a daily basis.
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
I've only called them power ollies since like 2001.
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
what is a power ollie/tail drop anyway? cant say ive ever heard that
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
what is a power ollie/tail drop anyway? cant say ive ever heard that
We always called a Bam style tail stall to ollie gap out. Power ollies down the 6 stair at the local was the jam when I was 12.
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
what is a power ollie/tail drop anyway? cant say ive ever heard that
*stallies
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
what is a power ollie/tail drop anyway? cant say ive ever heard that
Paulies
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Ain’t no such thing as switch fakie and if that is not already a slap username I’m sure some troll will take it soon.
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
This is an offensive level of trolling
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Me and my homies have all kinds of made up names for well known tricks. Can you guess what a Front Lashandra is? Or a Backside Breaker is? Also, does it matter?(https://media.giphy.com/media/lRRyxHVuD8geI/source.gif)
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Years ago I heard someone call a back smith to frontside a Nancy Reagan.
I still don’t get it but I call em that in my head
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Well the thread title is interesting and if we want to make naming of tricks more like organic chemistry I suggest the following:
First we imagine four axis over the board similar to a compass. Let's call them N (for the north to soith axis) and E (for the east to west axis) and a third axis coming out of the screen vertically call V
For regular stance:
If you do a shuv it the board the board rotates 180 degrees clockwise around axis V. So we call it a CW180V.
For a kickflip the board rotates 360 clockwise around N. It becomes a CW180N.
Now if you turn with the board for a backside 180 you have to describe the board movement then the rider movement seperated by a dash. It becomes a CW180V-CW180V.
If the board rotates around two axis you seperate those movements with a /.
So a "hardflip backside tailslide" would be a ACW90V/CW180N-CW90V to Backside Tailslide.
Now obviously we need a similar system to describe slides and grinds.
The theory needs a little work but presents the only real opportunity for a unifying theory of trick names that will end all of these arguements.
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That reminds me of the time some dude at our skatepark said he could do switch nollie kickflips.
At first I was impressed, and after a few seconds I was like 'Wait a minuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute!!!!!'
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
someone with the knowledge should be able to correlate musical vocabulary here.
"B flat is A sharp" and vice versa
if you take a photo mid-grind, then yes they're the same position. but that doesn't make them the same trick.
the difference comes from the wider context of how you got into that position. if you popped switch, it's a switch nose grind. if you popped fakie, it's a fakie 5-0. if you popped regular or nollie and span 180 into it, it's also a fakie 5-0.
to go back to the musical metaphor, while b-flat and a-sharp are - in of themselves - identical, the wider context of the piece determines what name you would use. if you are in a key that has a b-natural then you would say a-sharp to avoid having two versions of b (which messes up the stave system of notation) and if you were in a key that had an a-natural you would call it a b-flat for the same reason.
in both the case of the 'identical' grinds and the 'identical' notes, the different available names are actually reflections of other factors going on around the grind/note rather than the grind/note itself.
do you know the expression 'blowing hot and cold'? it comes from a folk story (there are various versions of it in different cultures) where a creature observing human behaviour is amused to see a peasant blowing on his hands to warm them up while out working the fields, and then blowing on his soup to cool it down at lunchtime. same gesture, different context.
it gets interesting when you start changing the borders with regards the semantic units making up a trick name.
for instance, with 'regular 180 to fakie 5-0', i've got four elements to the name (stance, spin, stance, grind)
but i could shorthand that to a single unit: pupecki grind
now, with the original longer name i can't simply place switch in front of it to designate the mirrored version. the name changes entirely, becoming a switch 180 to regualr nose grind.
given that that's the case for the longfrom name, is it acceptable to say 'switch pupecki grind'?
i'd say no, but i struggle to fully articulate why.
i also - contrarily - wouldn't have a problem with 'switch barley grind' even though the same logic applies.
in conclusion: shrug.
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When and why did taildrops start getting renamed as power ollies?
I hear the youngsters use that term nowadays.
what is a power ollie/tail drop anyway? cant say ive ever heard that
I've also been hearing the term 'elevator' a lot from different people who all skated in Europe in the 80's.
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As far as nollie frontside/backside. I see it as how your shoulders turn in relation to the direction you are moving and not mimicking the forward motion of your regular stance.
I’ll give you fakie but i still see it as which way your shoulders are turning.
It’s whatever you were brought up saying is what you say. No right or wrong.
that's not how the world works. you can see it however you want but there's still a defined answer
Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
c'mon bro
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As far as nollie frontside/backside. I see it as how your shoulders turn in relation to the direction you are moving and not mimicking the forward motion of your regular stance.
I’ll give you fakie but i still see it as which way your shoulders are turning.
It’s whatever you were brought up saying is what you say. No right or wrong.
that's not how the world works. you can see it however you want but there's still a defined answer
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
c'mon bro
I wish I could switch nosegrind nearly as good as my fakie 5-0. Two totally different tricks.
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You have to be honest and admit there are flaws in the nomenclature.
A basic flatground Nollie and "switch fakie Ollie" are the exact same trick.
Chirality is fundamental in skateboarding because it reveals the importance of natural stances, Regular and Goofy (https://radratvideo.com/goofy-stance-come).
I'd say just riding with control is the first "trick" you learn because feeling the Switch/Fakie stance is awkward when you try carving.
Since those names for stances come from surfing this also brings up the importance of the relationship between the rider and the environment.
"flatground" isn't a thing in surfing, you're either moving "forward" backside or frontside relative to the wave and recognizing why those are the terms should be obvious.
We can use transitions to carve frontside or backside but one deviation skating took from surfing was the ability to continue moving forward in a "Fakie" stance by ignoring the need to carve.
So here's where Switch and Fakie become misnomers
If you are moving "forward" in your unnatural stance are you going Switch or Fakie?
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If you are moving "forward" in your unnatural stance are you going Switch or Fakie?
Depends on foot placement - like in skate 3 you can travel switch or you can travel fakie depending on your joystick.
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If you are moving "forward" in your unnatural stance are you going Switch or Fakie?
Foot placement generally tells you where you're *popping* from.
I'm just asking plain rolling.
I'd guess "Fakie" predated "Switch" because it was defined as an outcome stance from early transition skating.
The "Tail" had a distinguished shape from the "Nose" so you'd approach the wall nose-leading and continue "forward" tail-leading.
I don't know if there were "switch" tricks back then but if so you'd probably have the nose shape leading and your stance was "switched".
The Cab is a big point of reference here and brings up multiple issues for debate.
He calls it a fakie 360 ollie but points out it's a vert trick and the roll-away in natural stance is significant.
On flat you roll-away fakie. You could argue for a different name since the roll-away is different.
... Then there's the backside/frontside debate
Again, those spins or approach to the lip must've had root in transition skating but I haven't thought about those as much.
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I hate the name fakie big spin. I call it that but only under protest. If you're rolling fakie and turning with your trick you know what the fuck going on.
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If you are moving "forward" in your unnatural stance are you going Switch or Fakie?
Foot placement generally tells you where you're *popping* from.
I'm just asking plain rolling.
I think the difference between rolling fakie or switch is dependent on your intention, so it does relate to foot placement in that rolling switch would have the flicking foot on or just below the bolts and the popping foot on the bolts or close to the pocket and maybe with toes pointed more in the direction of movement, and also the posture of your stance, I think in switch you'd be more inclined to be facing the direction that you're skating or at least trying to force it more than fakie where its more just looking over your shoulder but definetely looking and feeling like it's backwards.
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As far as nollie frontside/backside. I see it as how your shoulders turn in relation to the direction you are moving and not mimicking the forward motion of your regular stance.
I’ll give you fakie but i still see it as which way your shoulders are turning.
It’s whatever you were brought up saying is what you say. No right or wrong.
that's not how the world works. you can see it however you want but there's still a defined answer
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
c'mon bro
I wish I could switch nosegrind nearly as good as my fakie 5-0. Two totally different tricks.
Ok. I meant while grinding. If you 180 or more into it, same trick.
If you either switch ollie or fakie ollie straight into it, it’s two different tricks.
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I hate the name fakie big spin. I call it that but only under protest. If you're rolling fakie and turning with your trick you know what the fuck going on.
Then call it My Dick, old heads will nod in approval
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switch is your unnatural stance/foot placement, moving forward.
i.e. different stance
fakie is your natural stance/foot placement, moving backwards.
i.e. fake usual stance
fakie nollie = switch ollie ?
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Nollie half cab is one of the only ones that annoy me and I’ve heard a lots of pros say it
yeah, feels like this one is here to stay. Still, anybody who gives a shit about knowing stuff should understand that the whole point of anything cab is fakie.
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No such thing as ‘switch fakie’ but thats not what you said. Not sure how accurate that guys statement is but it’s all subjective.
I say varial flip instead of ‘shuv-it flip’. I say caballarial instead of ‘fakie backside 360 ollie’. That may not be the proper nomenclature but that’s what i was raised on.
As far as nollie frontside/backside. I see it as how your shoulders turn in relation to the direction you are moving and not mimicking the forward motion of your regular stance.
I’ll give you fakie but i still see it as which way your shoulders are turning.
It’s whatever you were brought up saying is what you say. No right or wrong.
Stop taking skating so seriously.
You are confusing evolution of trick names that don't contradict themselves like shuv-it flip and varial flip with people just plain messing up tricks and putting both in the same category when they are completely different.
It's only subjective for a couple tricks that have two names that are both correct. Every other trick is not subjective at all, you are wrong or you are right.
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You guys are right, but saying "fakie ollie to switch nosegrind" isn't wrong and completely understandable.
I personally say fakie 5-0 but I already heard that.
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You guys are right, but saying "fakie ollie to switch nosegrind" isn't wrong and completely understandable.
I personally say fakie 5-0 but I already heard that.
I think it's overstating the trick. Also, I can fakie 5-0 but i can't switch nosegrind. I imagine it's the same for most people, so i think it's fair to say it's a variation of a 5-0, not a variation of a switch nosegrind.
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trying to make sense of a (mostly) arbitrary system is always fun, its like discussion on "whats the best food" or "whos cooler person a or person b". I actually like those random debates where there is no "real" answer.
that being said, i say fakie 5-0 and agree mostly with the mainstream of trick nomenclature (like no fs overkrooks, no nollie halfcab, one foot ollie, yada yada)
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You guys are right, but saying "fakie ollie to switch nosegrind" isn't wrong and completely understandable.
I personally say fakie 5-0 but I already heard that.
Same here...
I was going to tell that I wish I could sw fs nosegrind revert, but I think this is a common mistake in naming trick we make here in France. How do you guys call nosegrind revert ? fs nosegrind nollie fs 180 ?
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You guys are right, but saying "fakie ollie to switch nosegrind" isn't wrong and completely understandable.
I personally say fakie 5-0 but I already heard that.
Same here...
I was going to tell that I wish I could sw fs nosegrind revert, but I think this is a common mistake in naming trick we make here in France. How do you guys call nosegrind revert ? fs nosegrind nollie fs 180 ?
brazilians also call 180's out of nosegrinds reverts, i've noticed.
if it's the intuitive direction (i.e. fs grind + fs spin) i'd just call it nosegrind to fakie. but what the fuuuuuck do i know?
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You have to be honest and admit there are flaws in the nomenclature.
A basic flatground Nollie and "switch fakie Ollie" are the exact same trick.
Chirality is fundamental in skateboarding because it reveals the importance of natural stances, Regular and Goofy (https://radratvideo.com/goofy-stance-come).
I'd say just riding with control is the first "trick" you learn because feeling the Switch/Fakie stance is awkward when you try carving.
Since those names for stances come from surfing this also brings up the importance of the relationship between the rider and the environment.
"flatground" isn't a thing in surfing, you're either moving "forward" backside or frontside relative to the wave and recognizing why those are the terms should be obvious.
We can use transitions to carve frontside or backside but one deviation skating took from surfing was the ability to continue moving forward in a "Fakie" stance by ignoring the need to carve.
So here's where Switch and Fakie become misnomers
If you are moving "forward" in your unnatural stance are you going Switch or Fakie?
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If you are moving "forward" in your unnatural stance are you going Switch or Fakie?
Foot placement generally tells you where you're *popping* from.
I'm just asking plain rolling.
I'd guess "Fakie" predated "Switch" because it was defined as an outcome stance from early transition skating.
The "Tail" had a distinguished shape from the "Nose" so you'd approach the wall nose-leading and continue "forward" tail-leading.
I don't know if there were "switch" tricks back then but if so you'd probably have the nose shape leading and your stance was "switched".
The Cab is a big point of reference here and brings up multiple issues for debate.
He calls it a fakie 360 ollie but points out it's a vert trick and the roll-away in natural stance is significant.
On flat you roll-away fakie. You could argue for a different name since the roll-away is different.
... Then there's the backside/frontside debate
Again, those spins or approach to the lip must've had root in transition skating but I haven't thought about those as much.
This is some interesting stuff even though I'm not entirely sure I'm grasping what you're saying.
I was thinking about this stuff again the other day after my friend did this trick
https://www.instagram.com/p/CE1IqqbJbYH/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Since it's a fakie grind, it would follow that he's still riding fakie when shoving out, but that would make it a fakie nollie frontside shove out, which seems ridiculous. On the other hand, standard naming convention would suggest that you can't go from fakie to switch in one trick, so fakie nosegrind to switch backside shove wouldn't work either. I'd go for that latter seeing as we have things like 180 to switch crooks rather than technically correct 180 to fakie suski grinds. But it's things like that where the rules for naming tricks fall apart a bit
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As far as nollie frontside/backside. I see it as how your shoulders turn in relation to the direction you are moving and not mimicking the forward motion of your regular stance.
I’ll give you fakie but i still see it as which way your shoulders are turning.
It’s whatever you were brought up saying is what you say. No right or wrong.
that's not how the world works. you can see it however you want but there's still a defined answer
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Fakie 5-0 and switch nosegrind are the same trick.
c'mon bro
Not really. Look at the world we live in
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Yeah I did think that as I was writing it